RE: character tags in cross reference text

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

That isn't going to work - Rebeccas problem is that only part of the 
text-to-be-referenced is in italics.

I'm not sure there is a solution to this...

-Niels 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
Sent: 31. januar 2007 10:27
To: rebecca officer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: character tags in cross reference text

I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you use 
just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should appear 
in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag that is used for 
the commands)

Caroline Tabach
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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:56 AM
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Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a cross-reference to 
something that includes character-tagged text, and preserve the character tag 
in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the command 
syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most reliable way to 
include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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character tags in cross reference text

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

That isn't going to work - Rebeccas problem is that only part of the 
text-to-be-referenced is in italics.

I'm not sure there is a solution to this...

-Niels 

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From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Caroline Tabach
Sent: 31. januar 2007 10:27
To: rebecca officer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: character tags in cross reference text

I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you use 
just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should appear 
in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag that is used for 
the commands)

Caroline?Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


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[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
rebecca officer
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:56 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a cross-reference to 
something that includes character-tagged text, and preserve the character tag 
in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the command 
syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most reliable way to 
include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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RE: How long to learn FrameScript?

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

As for the macro trap - you are right that sometimes making a macro to do 
stuff takes (at least) the same amount of time that you'd spend doing it 
manually. BUT at least you are having fun developing it, you are using your 
brain at a different frequency, and over time you can build up a collection of 
macros that you can pull out and adapt for the situation at hand. 

So - I'm all in favour of using macros!

-Niels

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Subject: Re: How long to learn FrameScript?

I'm wary of script languages generally because of the 'macro trap'. This is my 
term for a syndrome I noticed when I was a manager in the computer industry. 
It's real easy to think, 'Right, this is a tedious process, but I can automate 
it with a script and save *tons* of time'... and then spend twice as long 
developing and testing the automation than it would have taken to do the task 
manually in the first place ;-) 

I've even fallen into the macro trap myself... once, slightly scarily, with 
electronic *hardware*, during my postgrad research.

I'm sure Rick never does this, though ;-)

--
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RE: Starting over - Slightly OT

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

If you're dealing with a lot of content reuse, you may want to at least 
consider AuthorIT. That'll let you use Word in a fairly safe setup - or so they 
say! Check it out - there's an evaluation version on their home page at 
http://www.authorit.com/.

Not affiliated - not even a user - total Word-shunning Frame setup here ;o)!

-Niels

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Sent: 19. januar 2007 19:42
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Subject: Starting over - Slightly OT

Framers, 

It's been a full three months since I last saw a Frame doc, having changed 
careers, companies, industries and most things that were familiar. I'm now 
tasked with managing the proposal process at a new place.

Our proposals are 50-100 page documents (8-12 per month) with a mixture of 
original sales writing, stock content, and responses to questions.
The deadlines are tight, and involve multiple, fairly willing contributors. 
It's like technical writing on speed, IMO. Deliverables are about 60% PDF and 
40% paper. I think paper is declining rapidly. 

The process I inherited is Word-based. So my nice, clean template gets fairly 
polluted right away when pasting in client RFP questions, stock answers, and 
material created in Word by people who aren't in the document business.

The good thing is there are few boundaries on change here. This process can 
literally be scrapped if I have a superior replacement that makes good sense. 
So if you could do it all over - what would you do?

My thoughts:

A. Office 2007 Word - This is supposed to have structured authoring.
We'll wait for a demo. 

B. Structured Frame - I've never designed a structured template, and would I 
have to buy seats for all contributors? 

C. Structured Frame with Frame Server - I haven't heard a lot of people here 
mention it. We manage a file based, and growing content repository to help with 
proposal questions. Does it make sense?

D. Arbortext - Pay to have all document issues resolved. 

Did I miss any? Did I miss the point of some? 

Thanks,
Joe
 

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Starting over - Slightly OT

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

If you're dealing with a lot of content reuse, you may want to at least 
consider AuthorIT. That'll let you use Word in a fairly safe setup - or so they 
say! Check it out - there's an evaluation version on their home page at 
http://www.authorit.com/.

Not affiliated - not even a user - total Word-shunning Frame setup here ;o)!

-Niels

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[mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Joseph Sims
Sent: 19. januar 2007 19:42
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Starting over - Slightly OT

Framers, 

It's been a full three months since I last saw a Frame doc, having changed 
careers, companies, industries and most things that were familiar. I'm now 
tasked with managing the proposal process at a new place.

Our proposals are 50-100 page documents (8-12 per month) with a mixture of 
original sales writing, stock content, and responses to questions.
The deadlines are tight, and involve multiple, fairly willing contributors. 
It's like technical writing on speed, IMO. Deliverables are about 60% PDF and 
40% paper. I think paper is declining rapidly. 

The process I inherited is Word-based. So my nice, clean template gets fairly 
polluted right away when pasting in client RFP questions, stock answers, and 
material created in Word by people who aren't in the document business.

The good thing is there are few boundaries on change here. This process can 
literally be scrapped if I have a superior replacement that makes good sense. 
So if you could do it all over - what would you do?

My thoughts:

A. Office 2007 Word - This is supposed to have structured authoring.
We'll wait for a demo. 

B. Structured Frame - I've never designed a structured template, and would I 
have to buy seats for all contributors? 

C. Structured Frame with Frame Server - I haven't heard a lot of people here 
mention it. We manage a file based, and growing content repository to help with 
proposal questions. Does it make sense?

D. Arbortext - Pay to have all document issues resolved. 

Did I miss any? Did I miss the point of some? 

Thanks,
Joe


D. Joseph Sims
Communications Group Manager
Sutherland Global Services 
1160 Pittsford-Victor Rd. 
Pittsford, New York 14534 
Office - (585) 586-5757 *2447
Cell - (585) 967-4187

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Quick Context-sensitive question

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,
You can point to the same topic from multiple places in the application. So one 
topic alias should suffice.

-Niels 

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[mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ron 
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Sent: 17. november 2006 17:25
To: Framers List
Subject: Quick Context-sensitive question

Frame 7.1
WebWorks Publisher 2003

I'm placing topic aliases in my documents so my client can generate 
context-sensitive help.

There are several topics, which need to point to the same help topic. In a case 
like this, do I just create the single topic alias, then have the programmers 
set it up to point to the same topic, or do I have to set up three separate 
topic aliases?

Thanks,
Ron

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Index sort order

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

I discovered a problem in my index. Entries such as "semantic errors" and 
"search windows" were sorted _after_ Z. Naturally, I inspected the sort order 
on the reference page in the index file and found that the last entry in the 
sort order was "". If I removed that from the sort order, the above 
terms sorted correctly.

Now, the manual states,
"To indicate that a letter pair should be sorted as a single character, specify 
the letter pair between angle brackets (< >)--for example, C ? c ?."

Why, then, does "" (and "" too, btw) not obey that rule? Does it 
really only apply to PAIRS?

(I know that you can specify a custom sort order in the index marker, so you 
needn't tell me that.)

Here's the whole sort order if you want to see that:
<$symbols><$numerics>Aa Bb C?c? Dd Ee Ff?  Gg Hh Ii? Jj 
Kk Ll Mm N?n? O?o??? Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Y?y?? Zz ?? ?? 
?? 

Frame 7.1 p116 on Win2K.

Med venlig hilsen/Best regards

Niels Fan?e
Documentation Specialist


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RE: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren

[Niels Fanøe]

Hallo WoK,

Diese Liste is normalerweise nur in Englisch gehalten... 

Other than that, I'm not aware of any plugin that leaves out generated lists. U 
got FrameScript?

-Niels 

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- 
- Hallo,
- 
- kennt jemand von Euch einen Trick bzw. ein 
- Tool/PlugIn/Script mit welchen ich die generierten 
- Verzeichnisse (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) aus meiner Suche über ein 
- Buch ausklammern kann?
- 
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Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren

[Niels Fanøe]

Hallo WoK,

Diese Liste is normalerweise nur in Englisch gehalten... 

Other than that, I'm not aware of any plugin that leaves out generated lists. U 
got FrameScript?

-Niels 

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->  On Behalf Of Wolfgang K?hn
-> Sent: 19. oktober 2006 12:05
-> To: Framers at Lists
-> Subject: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren
-> 
-> Hallo,
-> 
-> kennt jemand von Euch einen Trick bzw. ein 
-> Tool/PlugIn/Script mit welchen ich die generierten 
-> Verzeichnisse (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) aus meiner Suche ?ber ein 
-> Buch ausklammern kann?
-> 
-> Danke
-> WoK
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RE: Tables not accepting Ruling settings

[Niels Fanøe]

 
You wrote:
- 
-This happens on some files (chapters) within my book, but 
- not in others. And within a single file/chapter, it can 
- happen on some tables, but not others.

Would the tables where this happens possibly be imported from, say, Word? If 
that is the case, you need to open the Custom Ruling and Shading dialog from 
within the table, select From Table in the Apply Ruling Style list, and hit 
Apply. This should reapply the true table format on the table.

HTH,

Niels
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Tables not accepting "Ruling" settings

[Niels Fanøe]

You wrote:
-> 
->This happens on some files (chapters) within my book, but 
-> not in others. And within a single file/chapter, it can 
-> happen on some tables, but not others.

Would the tables where this happens possibly be imported from, say, Word? If 
that is the case, you need to open the Custom Ruling and Shading dialog from 
within the table, select "From Table" in the Apply Ruling Style list, and hit 
Apply. This should reapply the true table format on the table.

HTH,

Niels

Creating bookmarks, more and top links in FM

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

I think your questions are better suited for a WW Help list. See eg. 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwp-users/

-Niels 

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-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Jaya Ghosh
-> Sent: 12. oktober 2006 12:30
-> To: framers at FrameUsers.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: RE: Creating bookmarks, more and top links in FM
-> 
-> 
-> Hello 
-> 
-> Can someone on the list help?
-> 
-> So far none responded.
-> 
-> Cheers
-> JG
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-> [mailto:framers-bounces+jghosh=coware.com at lists.frameusers.co
m] On Behalf Of Jaya Ghosh
-> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 3:51 PM
-> To: framers at FrameUsers.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: Creating bookmarks, more and top links in FM
-> Importance: High
-> 
-> Hello
-> 
->  
-> 
-> I use FM 7.0 to create the User Guides and Automap to 
-> convert the guides to HTMLs. Our FM template is mapped with 
-> the Automap template. My queries are:
-> 
->  
-> 
-> 1.   How do I create a static H1 heading in FM so that when it is
-> converted to html the main heading remains in focus while 
-> one scrolls down the page to browse through the 
-> contents/sub-headings in the specific section?
-> 
-> 2.   Since some of the sections are very verbose am keen 
-> to create a
-> more..  or Top link to expand/collapse the sub and 
-> sub-sub-headings or to move to the previous section in the 
-> file. How do I do this in FM?
-> 
-> 3.   How do I create bookmarks in FM files? Am aware 
-> that it can be
-> created in pdfs but not aware as to how it can be done in 
-> FM. Not sure whether it will require a Bookmark plugin to 
-> create the same in a FM file.
-> 
->  
-> 
-> Any help on the above issues is appreciated.
-> 
->  
-> 
-> Regards,
-> 
-> Jaya Ghosh
-> 
->  
-> 
->  
-> 
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Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi Framers,

I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):

I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).

The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...

As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master page 
on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the heading is 
situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can reformat the text 
frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document is part of a book, 
adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift the whole thing - in 
short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

Anybody got an idea?

-Niels
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RE: Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,
Richard Combs wrote: 
- I'm having trouble imagining what kind of book has chapter- 
- or section-level indexes, but none at the book level. If 
- these sections/parts of the book are so disparate, then why 
- combine them into one book (especially one that's 
- continuously page-numbered, as your later comment suggests)? 
- Is this design really optimal for your readers? It doesn't 
- seem to be optimal for you. :-)

It is a book covering a number of different topics, but all of the topics are 
in the same category. Some of the docs are reference docs (which need an 
index), others are more general in nature (and I won't take the time to index 
them). I keep them in the same book in order to publish them together and to 
make a CHM out of them. 

I could pull out the reference docs, but how would you solve this: two 
programming manuals (A and B) dealing with different aspects of the same thing. 
How should I make a combined index - it would need to say attributes (A):bold 
and attributes (B):bold and so on, otherwise the reader wouldn't know which 
reference applied where. But the manuals should be published together (and 
again, as a CHM) because they are related.

Richard also wrote:

- You're struggling against the essential nature of FM -- why? 
- Use the program the way it's designed to be used -- make the 
- TOC and index separate documents, and your problem goes away. 

I have to give you that my document isn't a textbook example of FM usage. 
However, I can't see that using insets is against the essential nature of FM... 
and who defines that nature anyhow? Should we get rid of scripting, too? And 
all that tweaking that we all have come to rely on - it ain't natural 
either..?

Anyway - I got my problem solved and learned something new (about applying 
master pages) - so I'm happy - orthodox or not! :o)

-Niels

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Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi Framers,

I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):

I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. Some of these 
documents have an index of their own (for historical reasons... And because 
making a book-wide index wouldn't make any sense).

The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, with room for 
sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I import it into the document (just 
like a TOC). But naturally I want the index to be two-column...

As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can apply a master page 
on the index heading, but that only covers the page on which the heading is 
situated, not the subsequent pages. I made a script which can reformat the text 
frame from a certain point onwards, but since the document is part of a book, 
adding or deleting pages elsewhere in the book will shift the whole thing - in 
short, it's a nightmare to maintain!

Anybody got an idea?

-Niels

SOLVED: Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi, 

Thanks for all the good replies. 

I'd rather not add the index separately in the main book, as I sometimes 
publish the document in a "stand-alone" version, and I like to try to keep my 
books as free from generated files as possible. 

Steve Rickaby's answer did it for me - his comment: "Text inserts do have 
paragraph tags..." made me go Duh! and add "GroupTitlesIX" to the reference 
page for IndexLeft, IndexRight master page application. Now it works fine - 
thanks Steve (and the rest of you)!

-Niels

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-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Niels Fan?e
-> Sent: 27. september 2006 13:55
-> To: framers at FrameUsers.com
-> Subject: Two-column index
-> 
-> Hi Framers,
-> 
-> I run into this problem regularly (on FrameMaker 7.1):
-> 
-> I have a book consisting of quite a number of documents. 
-> Some of these documents have an index of their own (for 
-> historical reasons... And because making a book-wide index 
-> wouldn't make any sense).
-> 
-> The text flow in each document is single-column, right/left, 
-> with room for sideheads. Now when I generate an index, I 
-> import it into the document (just like a TOC). But naturally 
-> I want the index to be two-column...
-> 
-> As far as I can see, there is no way of doing this. I can 
-> apply a master page on the index heading, but that only 
-> covers the page on which the heading is situated, not the 
-> subsequent pages. I made a script which can reformat the 
-> text frame from a certain point onwards, but since the 
-> document is part of a book, adding or deleting pages 
-> elsewhere in the book will shift the whole thing - in short, 
-> it's a nightmare to maintain!
-> 
-> Anybody got an idea?
-> 
-> -Niels
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Two-column index

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,
Richard Combs wrote: 
-> I'm having trouble imagining what kind of book has chapter- 
-> or section-level indexes, but none at the book level. If 
-> these sections/parts of the book are so disparate, then why 
-> combine them into one book (especially one that's 
-> continuously page-numbered, as your later comment suggests)? 
-> Is this design really optimal for your readers? It doesn't 
-> seem to be optimal for you. :-)

It is a book covering a number of different topics, but all of the topics are 
in the same category. Some of the docs are reference docs (which need an 
index), others are more general in nature (and I won't take the time to index 
them). I keep them in the same book in order to publish them together and to 
make a CHM out of them. 

I could pull out the reference docs, but how would you solve this: two 
programming manuals (A and B) dealing with different aspects of the same thing. 
How should I make a combined index - it would need to say "attributes (A):bold" 
and "attributes (B):bold" and so on, otherwise the reader wouldn't know which 
reference applied where. But the manuals should be published together (and 
again, as a CHM) because they are related.

Richard also wrote:

-> You're struggling against the essential nature of FM -- why? 
-> Use the program the way it's designed to be used -- make the 
-> TOC and index separate documents, and your problem goes away. 

I have to give you that my document isn't a textbook example of FM usage. 
However, I can't see that using insets is against the essential nature of FM... 
and who defines that nature anyhow? Should we get rid of scripting, too? And 
all that "tweaking" that we all have come to rely on - "it ain't natural" 
either..?

Anyway - I got my problem solved and learned something new (about applying 
master pages) - so I'm happy - orthodox or not! :o)

-Niels

Bizarre character issue (Uppercase F does not work)

[Niels Fanøe]

Well, I can't use my ! (exclamation mark) - haven't been able to in ages. I 
suspect the answer lies in some keyboard configuration file - I suppose the ! 
maps to nothing.

Maybe I'll look at it again - actually you don't use the ! very much in 
technical documentation - but if I find out, I'll let you know! :o)

-Niels

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->  On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden
-> Sent: 25. september 2006 17:44
-> To: framers at FrameUsers.com
-> Subject: Bizarre character issue (Uppercase F does not work)
-> 
-> Hi all:
-> 
-> I'm running into a really odd FrameMaker issue on my laptop. 
-> I'm typing and the only character that I can't insert is F. 
-> Uppcase F.
-> 
-> I try to do so and nothing is inserted. If I type a 
-> lowercase F and then apply a key sequnce to force uppercase, 
-> I see the "F" character with not issues. Can't press Shift+f 
-> and get anywhere.
-> 
-> I've restarted the application. I've restarted the computer. 
-> I've tried this in other software and it works perfectly. I 
-> tried the 'other' shift key. I tried all kinds of other 
-> uppercase characters and they work.
-> 
-> Word, email, notepad, excel and more. No issues. Just 
-> rameMaker (little joke there... It does work in email. See: 
-> FrameMaker can drive you crazy at times).
-> 
-> Any help would be fantastic.
-> 
-> Bernard
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> Bernard Aschwanden
-> Publishing Technologies Expert
-> Publishing Smarter
-> 
-> bernard at publishingsmarter.com 
-> 
-> www.publishingsmarter.com 
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RE: Error while trying to generate TOC

[Niels Fanøe]

Open the document, and save it again using a current version of FrameMaker. 
Regenerate the TOC - the error should be gone.

HTH

Niels 

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- 
- Hi,
- 
- While generating the TOC for a book, I encountered the 
- following error:
- 
- e:\docs\framemaker\WS\frontpage.fm
-   Couldn't open frontpage.fm, because it was created with a 
- previous version of FrameMaker.
- 
- Can any of you advise me how to trouble shoot this error?
- 
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Error while trying to generate TOC

[Niels Fanøe]

Open the document, and save it again using a current version of FrameMaker. 
Regenerate the TOC - the error should be gone.

HTH

Niels 

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->  On Behalf Of Deepa
-> Sent: 21. september 2006 13:43
-> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: Error while trying to generate TOC
-> 
-> Hi,
-> 
-> While generating the TOC for a book, I encountered the 
-> following error:
-> 
-> e:\docs\framemaker\WS\frontpage.fm
->   Couldn't open frontpage.fm, because it was created with a 
-> previous version of FrameMaker.
-> 
-> Can any of you advise me how to trouble shoot this error?
-> 
-> Thanks,
-> Deepsy.
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RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Niels Fanøe]

Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.

-Niels 

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- 
- Hi, all,
- I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I 
- used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's 
- not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any 
- suggestions??
- Beth
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good flowchart software to use with Frame

[Niels Fanøe]

Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.

-Niels 

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->  On Behalf Of Beth Prince
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-> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame
-> 
-> Hi, all,
-> I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I 
-> used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's 
-> not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any 
-> suggestions??
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RE: Double-clicking *.fm file in dir no longer opens file

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

You are currently failing to open files because there are spaces in the 
filename.

In the registration database, make sure that the key 
My Computer\HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\applications\FrameMaker.exe\shell\Open\Command

-has the value
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.1\FrameMaker.exe %1 

-the path should naturally reflect your own setup. The point is that both the 
path to the application (FrameMaker) and the parameter (%1) should be enclosed 
in quotes. 

HTH
Niels

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- Subject: Double-clicking *.fm file in dir no longer opens file
- 
- Hi Framers,
- 
- FrameMaker 7.0p576
- Windows XP Professional
- 
- I recently reinstalled FrameMaker, and now when I 
- double-click a FrameMaker file in the directory, instead of 
- the file opening in FM, I get a series of messages similar 
- to the following.
- 
- Trying to open - c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal Support 
- Materials\Online Help VGA.fm
- 
- 1. Unable to find c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal
- 2. Unable to find c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal Support 
- Materials\Support 3. Unable to find c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal 
- Support Materials\Online 4. Unable to find 
- c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal Support Materials\Help 5. Unable to find 
- c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal Support Materials\VGA.fm
- 
- Can anyone tell me what's going on, and more importantly, 
- how to fix it?
- 
- Thanks for any wisdom you may impart.
- Pearl Rosenberg
- TeleHealth Systems
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Double-clicking *.fm file in dir no longer opens file

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

You are currently failing to open files because there are spaces in the 
filename.

In the registration database, make sure that the key 
My Computer\HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\applications\FrameMaker.exe\shell\Open\Command

-has the value
"C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.1\FrameMaker.exe" "%1" 

-the path should naturally reflect your own setup. The point is that both the 
path to the application (FrameMaker) and the parameter (%1) should be enclosed 
in quotes. 

HTH
Niels

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-> Sent: 28. august 2006 20:39
-> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: Double-clicking *.fm file in dir no longer opens file
-> 
-> Hi Framers,
-> 
-> FrameMaker 7.0p576
-> Windows XP Professional
-> 
-> I recently reinstalled FrameMaker, and now when I 
-> double-click a FrameMaker file in the directory, instead of 
-> the file opening in FM, I get a series of messages similar 
-> to the following.
-> 
-> Trying to open - c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal Support 
-> Materials\Online Help VGA.fm
-> 
-> 1. Unable to find c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal
-> 2. Unable to find c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal Support 
-> Materials\Support 3. Unable to find c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal 
-> Support Materials\Online 4. Unable to find 
-> c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal Support Materials\Help 5. Unable to find 
-> c:\RFI_RFP\Proposal Support Materials\VGA.fm
-> 
-> Can anyone tell me what's going on, and more importantly, 
-> how to fix it?
-> 
-> Thanks for any wisdom you may impart.
-> Pearl Rosenberg
-> TeleHealth Systems
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RE: Using con't at top of table with paragraph tag?

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

Add the variable called Table Continuation after the text in the table 
header. It won't show unless the table breaks, and then only on not-first table 
pages. (It is found along with the others in the regular Variable dialog.)

HTH
-Niels

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- 
- Hello all, 
- 
- I'm working on a document that I'd like to add con't to 
- the table when it carries over to a new page. 
- 
- For example, Table 2 : Happy Machine has too many rows for 
- one page, and it's carried over. I'd like to see Table 2 : 
- Happy Machine, cont'd
- 
- I don't know if it's possible to direct FM to do this. Do 
- you think that it's possible? Does anyone have a way to do it?
- 
- Thank you all in advance!
- 
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Using con't at top of table with paragraph tag?

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Hi,

Add the variable called "Table Continuation" after the text in the table 
header. It won't show unless the table breaks, and then only on not-first table 
pages. (It is found along with the others in the regular Variable dialog.)

HTH
-Niels

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-> Sent: 23. august 2006 11:17
-> To: framers at FrameUsers.com
-> Subject: Using con't at top of table with paragraph tag?
-> 
-> Hello all, 
-> 
-> I'm working on a document that I'd like to add "con't" to 
-> the table when it carries over to a new page. 
-> 
-> For example, Table 2 : Happy Machine has too many rows for 
-> one page, and it's carried over. I'd like to see Table 2 : 
-> Happy Machine, cont'd
-> 
-> I don't know if it's possible to direct FM to do this. Do 
-> you think that it's possible? Does anyone have a way to do it?
-> 
-> Thank you all in advance!
-> 
-> Best regards
-> Jennifer K. Blom
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document release date schedule documentation

[Niels Fanøe]

Before we started doing serious documentation estimates, we used the following 
formula. The developers describe every change to the software in "worksheets". 
We used to multiply the number of worksheets for a release by pi to get the 
number of required documentation hours... And guess what, it actually worked 
out pretty well... 

Now that we do serious estimates (with MS Project and all), we arrive at a 
number more or less equal to the number of worksheets multiplied by pi plus the 
number of hours spent on estimating...

:o)

-Niels  

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-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of karyn hunt
-> Sent: 6. juli 2006 23:08
-> To: framers at frameusers.com
-> Subject: RE: document release date schedule documentation
-> 
-> Oh, and one more crucial thought on this subject: When 
-> you're done doing all this math, pad your schedule by 
-> somewhere between 25% and 30% because everything that can go 
-> wrong, will.
-> 
-> ;->
-> 
-> k
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> >From: "karyn hunt" 
-> >To: framers at frameusers.com
-> >Subject: RE: document release date schedule documentation
-> >Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:08:40 +
-> >
-> >I'll second what Roger said and add to it. Hoboy, have you hit on a 
-> >HUGE subject here. A few thoughts:
-> >
-> >1. The industry standard is four hours per page. That may seem like 
-> >more than you need, but when you consider the time needed 
-> to understand 
-> >the feature, write it, get screenshots, have engineers review it, 
-> >correct it, proofread/spellcheck it, then check it in to 
-> source safe, 
-> >this is a good number.
-> >
-> >2. I figure that one GUI screen translates to about one page of 
-> >documentation. Or each "feature" can translate to between 
-> one and four 
-> >pages of documentation, depending on how your company 
-> define's a "feature."
-> >Another way to guesstimate is that two or three pages worth of 
-> >engineering notes can translate to about one page of documentation 
-> >(users rarely - if ever - need to know the behind-the-scenes stuff 
-> >explained in engineering docs). So if they can produce a 
-> PRD or some 
-> >engineering docs, you can use these guidelines to reach a 
-> time guesstimate.
-> >
-> >3. ABSOLUTELY figure review procedures in your timelines. 
-> Guesstimating 
-> >that is even trickier. I demand a five-day turnaround and 
-> insist that 
-> >my manager enforce this for me if engineering, QA or 
-> customer support 
-> >isn't adhering to it. Allow yourself half-an-hour per page for 
-> >correcting the inevitable mistakes/misunderstandings that 
-> find their 
-> >way into docs in the first iteration. So add an extra week 
-> or two for the review process.
-> >
-> >4. Consider folding in a second round of reviews b/c 
-> oftentimes, the 
-> >changes you make wind up being wrong. So fold in a few 
-> extra days for that.
-> >
-> >5. Create a spreadsheet with all features listed, the time 
-> guesstimates 
-> >needed to doc each one, and the begin/end dates for each 
-> one, and the 
-> >time allotted for the review procedure. Send that to your 
-> manager, the 
-> >engineering manager and the product manager as well as 
-> anyone else who 
-> >is tracking your work.
-> >
-> >5. Educate everyone and anyone you can about this so 
-> there's no room 
-> >for misunderstanding or finger pointing later on.
-> >
-> >6. Insist that they include you on one or two of the following: 
-> >Planning meetings, release team meetings, product 
-> management meetings 
-> >or any other "process" meetings that will help you discern their 
-> >timeline and at each one, let them know that planning for the docs 
-> >should happen simultaneously with planning for feature 
-> implementation.
-> >
-> >Believe me, been there and done that on all of these. Hope 
-> this helps.
-> >
-> >Karyn
-> >
-> >>From: "Roger Shuttleworth" 
-> >>To: 
-> >>Subject: RE: document release date schedule documentation
-> >>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:52:54 -0400
-> >>
-> >>
-> >>On 7/6/06, Gillian Flato  wrote:
-> >> > Guys,
-> >> >
-> >> > I need to provide my engineers with a document release date 
-> >> > schedule
-> >>so
-> >> > they understand when I need information by. I think 
-> that they think
-> >>that
-> >> > they can give me info two days before the release date 
-> and expect 
-> >> > an updated manual with the release. Does anyone have 
-> something I 
-> >> > can use
-> >>as
-> >> > a template?
-> >>
-> >>Hi Gillian
-> >>
-> >>I don't have such a template, I'm afraid. However, the 
-> situation you 
-> >>describe needs more than that. You need to be involved in 
-> the process 
-> >>from the beginning, so that you have input into 
-> specifications, GUI 
-> >>(if it's software), and so on. Then your documentation estimation 
-> >>process occurs simultaneously with the product development 
-> estimates. 
-> >>Given proper 

RE: Frame-webworks publisher

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

I'd take it to the kind folks in the HATT group: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HATT/ 

Lots of expertise there (as well).

-Niels

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- To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
- Subject: Frame-webworks publisher
- 
- Hi! I'm converting a Frame book (6.0) to Webworks Publisher 
- and am having trouble with a character style, particularly a 
- macro in a character style. Is this an appropriate forum to 
- ask about that or is there a more specific webworks site?
- 
- js
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RE: Frame-webworks publisher

[Niels Fanøe]

Rats. What I meant, too! 

;o) 
Niels

- -Original Message-
- John Steiner wrote:
-  Hi! I'm converting a Frame book (6.0) to Webworks Publisher and am 
-  having trouble with a character style, particularly a macro in a 
-  character style. Is this an appropriate forum to ask about 
- that or is 
-  there a more specific webworks site?
-  

- Stuart Rogers answered:
- http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwp-users
- 
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Frame->webworks publisher

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

I'd take it to the kind folks in the HATT group: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HATT/ 

Lots of expertise there (as well).

-Niels

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->  On Behalf Of John Steiner
-> Sent: 4. juli 2006 07:33
-> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: Frame->webworks publisher
-> 
-> Hi! I'm converting a Frame book (6.0) to Webworks Publisher 
-> and am having trouble with a character style, particularly a 
-> macro in a character style. Is this an appropriate forum to 
-> ask about that or is there a more specific webworks site?
-> 
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Frame->webworks publisher

[Niels Fanøe]

Rats. What I meant, too! 

;o) 
Niels

-> -Original Message-
-> John Steiner wrote:
-> > Hi! I'm converting a Frame book (6.0) to Webworks Publisher and am 
-> > having trouble with a character style, particularly a macro in a 
-> > character style. Is this an appropriate forum to ask about 
-> that or is 
-> > there a more specific webworks site?
-> > 

-> Stuart Rogers answered:
-> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwp-users
-> 
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RE: Color problem

[Niels Fanøe]

Perhaps a PNG graphic slipped into the doc? Save as MIF and open it again - see 
if it took care of the unwanted color definitions. 

If this took care of your problem, search for PNG in the Framers archive for 
an explanation - should be quite a few hits. If not, I've no clue.

-Niels

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-  On Behalf Of Patricia Carmel
- Sent: 6. juni 2006 12:21
- To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
- Subject: Color problem
- 
- Hello All,
- 
- I imported the formats from a stable template with several 
- additional color definitions to another file. None of the 
- color definitions appear in the second file and instead, 
- there are a series of RGB + numbers definitions, all black, 
- which refuse to budge when I try to delete them (using the 
- Color Definitions dialog box).  What should I do to get rid 
- of these unwanted color definitions and why aren't the 
- imported colors being accepted into the new file?
- 
- TIA
- 
- Regards,
- 
- Patricia
- 
- 
- 
- Patricia Carmel | Technical Communications Manager | Unipier Ltd |
- Mobile: +972-54-492-2958 | Ext: +972-9-892-0808
- 
- Always be wary of any helpful item that weighs less than 
- its operating
- manual.Terry Pratchett
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Color problem

[Niels Fanøe]

Perhaps a PNG graphic slipped into the doc? Save as MIF and open it again - see 
if it took care of the unwanted color definitions. 

If this took care of your problem, search for "PNG" in the Framers archive for 
an explanation - should be quite a few hits. If not, I've no clue.

-Niels

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-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Patricia Carmel
-> Sent: 6. juni 2006 12:21
-> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: Color problem
-> 
-> Hello All,
-> 
-> I imported the formats from a stable template with several 
-> additional color definitions to another file. None of the 
-> color definitions appear in the second file and instead, 
-> there are a series of RGB + numbers definitions, all black, 
-> which refuse to budge when I try to delete them (using the 
-> Color Definitions dialog box).  What should I do to get rid 
-> of these unwanted color definitions and why aren't the 
-> imported colors being accepted into the new file?
-> 
-> TIA
-> 
-> Regards,
-> 
-> Patricia
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> Patricia Carmel | Technical Communications Manager | Unipier Ltd |
-> Mobile: +972-54-492-2958 | Ext: +972-9-892-0808
-> 
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-> its operating
-> manual."Terry Pratchett
-> 
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Doc closes after hyperlink

[Niels Fanøe]

Framers,

I have been trying to make some sense of this, and now I turn to you.

Sometimes, following a hyperlink in a Frame doc to another Frame doc closes the 
source doc. If it has been changed, FrameMaker prompts to save the doc before 
it opens the target doc. Cancelling the save procedure cancels the hyperlink 
procedure.

Why is this, and why doesn't it always happen?

Thanks,

Niels

Win2K, Frame 7.1
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Doc closes after hyperlink

[Niels Fanøe]

Framers,

I have been trying to make some sense of this, and now I turn to you.

Sometimes, following a hyperlink in a Frame doc to another Frame doc closes the 
source doc. If it has been changed, FrameMaker prompts to save the doc before 
it opens the target doc. Cancelling the save procedure cancels the hyperlink 
procedure.

Why is this, and why doesn't it always happen?

Thanks,

Niels

Win2K, Frame 7.1

RE: Find not finding

[Niels Fanøe]

I'm pretty sure he means this:
http://stevemiller.net/puretext/

-Niels 

- -Original Message-
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-  On Behalf Of Beck, Charles
- Sent: 22. maj 2006 16:49
- To: Shmuel Wolfson
- Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
- Subject: RE: Find not finding
- 
- Thanks, Shmuel, but I don't see a PureText option in the 
- Paste Special dialog box. The closest I can find is one 
- labeled Text-but as I said, that one is *not* the equivalent 
- as pasting into Notepad and then copying and pasting from 
- there. That-the Text option-was the option we were using 
- that introduced the problem. 
-  
- Am I missing something here? 
-  
- Chuck
-  
- 
- 
- 
- From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:04 AM
- To: Beck, Charles
- Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
- Subject: Re: Find not finding
- 
- 
- You can use PureText to paste the text in without formatting. It's
- faster than pasting into Notepad, and is the equivalent.
- 
- -- 
- Regards,
- Shmuel Wolfson
- 
- 
- 
- Beck, Charles wrote: 
- 
-  Hi Guy, 
-  
-  OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that
- what he
-  did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection
- coming
-  in as an embedded Word object, he selected Paste as Special
- and then
-  selected the Text option. He was under the impression that
- that would
-  bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. 
-  
-  We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of
- problem
-  still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does,
- though. 
-  
-  Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is
- downloading and
-  trying Jeremy's Wash Via MIF plugin, even as we e-speak.
-  
-  Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a
- temporary
-  Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures
- that I
-  get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text
- copied in.
-  (However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually
-  necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that
- much
-  more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my
-  experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet.
-  
-  HTH,
-  Chuck
-  
-  
-  -Original Message-
-  From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
-  Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM
-  To: Beck, Charles
-  Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
-  Subject: Re: Find not finding
-  
-  Charles--
-  
-  Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into
- FrameMaker? 
-That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in
- through
-  FrameMaker's own mechanisms?
-  
-  And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an
- older
-  version involved?
-  
-  Some of our team will be facing the Word-Frame conversion soon,
- and
-  when I shared your info with them, they asked.
-  
-  --Thanks,
-   Guy K. Haas
-   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
-  
-  Beck, Charles wrote:
-
- 
-  Hi again all,
-   
-  Just wanted to let you all know that I received several
- replies, 
-  including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might
- be of general 
-  interest to the rest of the group.
-   
-  The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether
- there was any
-  
- 
-  
-
- 
-  imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word
- content can 
-  include hidden control characters that can interfere
- with the Find 
-  function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as
- MIF and then 
-  reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem.
-  
- 
-  ...
-
- 
-  Chuck
-  
- 
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Find not finding

[Niels Fanøe]

I'm pretty sure he means this:
http://stevemiller.net/puretext/

-Niels 

-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Beck, Charles
-> Sent: 22. maj 2006 16:49
-> To: Shmuel Wolfson
-> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: RE: Find not finding
-> 
-> Thanks, Shmuel, but I don't see a PureText option in the 
-> Paste Special dialog box. The closest I can find is one 
-> labeled Text-but as I said, that one is *not* the equivalent 
-> as pasting into Notepad and then copying and pasting from 
-> there. That-the Text option-was the option we were using 
-> that introduced the problem. 
->  
-> Am I missing something here? 
->  
-> Chuck
->  
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:sbw at actcom.com]
-> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:04 AM
-> To: Beck, Charles
-> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: Re: Find not finding
-> 
-> 
-> You can use PureText to paste the text in without formatting. It's
-> faster than pasting into Notepad, and is the equivalent.
-> 
-> -- 
-> Regards,
-> Shmuel Wolfson
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> Beck, Charles wrote: 
-> 
->  Hi Guy, 
->  
->  OK, I checked with the writer in question, and he reported that
-> what he
->  did was a copy-and-paste operation. But, to avoid the selection
-> coming
->  in as an embedded Word object, he selected "Paste as Special"
-> and then
->  selected the "Text" option. He was under the impression that
-> that would
->  bring it in as plain (ASCII) text, but apparently not so. 
->  
->  We are using Frame 7.0, so I can't say whether this same kind of
-> problem
->  still exists in later versions. I rather suspect it does,
-> though. 
->  
->  Because we have a site license for Mif2Go, our writer is
-> downloading and
->  trying Jeremy's "Wash Via MIF" plugin, even as we e-speak.
->  
->  Personally, I have always just copied from Word, pasted into a
-> temporary
->  Notepad doc, and then copied-and-pasted from there. That ensures
-> that I
->  get clean text, though it does necessitate retagging the text
-> copied in.
->  (However, since copying-and-pasting directly from Word usually
->  necessitates paragraph retagging anyway, this does not add that
-> much
->  more to the process...) More time consuming, but safer, in my
->  experience. I haven't tried Jeremy's plugin yet.
->  
->  HTH,
->  Chuck
->  
->  
->  -Original Message-
->  From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:guy at cliveden.com] 
->  Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:48 PM
->  To: Beck, Charles
->  Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
->  Subject: Re: Find not finding
->  
->  Charles--
->  
->  Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into
-> FrameMaker? 
->That is, was it opened with File>Open and thus filtered in
-> through
->  FrameMaker's own mechanisms?
->  
->  And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an
-> older
->  version involved?
->  
->  Some of our team will be facing the Word->Frame conversion soon,
-> and
->  when I shared your info with them, they asked.
->  
->  --Thanks,
->   Guy K. Haas
->   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
->  
->  Beck, Charles wrote:
->
-> 
->  Hi again all,
->   
->  Just wanted to let you all know that I received several
-> replies, 
->  including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might
-> be of general 
->  interest to the rest of the group.
->   
->  The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether
-> there was any
->  
-> 
->  
->
-> 
->  imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word
-> content can 
->  include hidden control characters that can interfere
-> with the Find 
->  function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as
-> MIF and then 
->  reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem.
->  
-> 
->  ...
->
-> 
->  Chuck
->  
-> 
->  
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RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Niels Fanøe]

I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and 
such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India 
(et.al.) are not involved with Western technology - if they don't get any 
hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to buy 
American (or Danish, for that matter) products and services? Only by sharing 
our wealth (and jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the 
long run.

-Niels
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RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Niels Fanøe]

Niels:
-  how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for 
-  that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our 
- wealth (and 
-  jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long 
-  run.

John:
- Niels...a point from both sides...
- 
- - If you can't get through the short run, the long run 
- doesn't matter. You're looking at it from the perspective of 
- the collective.
- Others are looking at it from the perspective of paying 
- their gas and oil bill for the next 90 days and making their 
- kid's tuition payment on the coming first of the month.

Yeah, well, I think that if we don't make it in the long run, who cares about 
the short run.
As for the energy bills and tuition system in the US, and the welfare system in 
general, this is not the place to discuss that (I know what you mean, though). 
The US seems to be working up its trillion dollar debt on other things at the 
moment...
 
- - Accept that a position should go to the best value, which 
- is a balance between cost and quality. Then get whatever 
- training you need to tip the balance in favor of quality; if 
- not for your current employer, one that allows you to make 
- the transition as quick as possible.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Anyway - I just wanted to pitch in 
with a little global outlook. End of sermon! ;o)

-Niels
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Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Niels Fanøe]

I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and 
such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India 
(et.al.) are not involved with "Western" technology - if they don't get any 
hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to buy 
American (or Danish, for that matter) products and services? Only by sharing 
our wealth (and jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the 
long run.

-Niels

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Niels Fanøe]

Niels:
-> > how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for 
-> > that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our 
-> wealth (and 
-> > jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long 
-> > run.

John:
-> Niels...a point from both sides...
-> 
-> - If you can't get through the short run, the long run 
-> doesn't matter. You're looking at it from the perspective of 
-> the collective.
-> Others are looking at it from the perspective of paying 
-> their gas and oil bill for the next 90 days and making their 
-> kid's tuition payment on the coming first of the month.

Yeah, well, I think that if we don't make it in the long run, who cares about 
the short run.
As for the energy bills and tuition system in the US, and the welfare system in 
general, this is not the place to discuss that (I know what you mean, though). 
The US seems to be working up its trillion dollar debt on other things at the 
moment...

-> - Accept that a position should go to the best value, which 
-> is a balance between cost and quality. Then get whatever 
-> training you need to tip the balance in favor of quality; if 
-> not for your current employer, one that allows you to make 
-> the transition as quick as possible.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Anyway - I just wanted to pitch in 
with a little global outlook. End of sermon! ;o)

-Niels

RE: No-tech; was: Funny

[Niels Fanøe]

Ink-flipping and rubber band projectiles... I guess that'd be the lo-tech 
forerunner of the computer virus? ;o)

-Niels 

- -Original Message-
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- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-  On Behalf Of Roger Shuttleworth
- Sent: 31. marts 2006 16:11
- To: framers@FrameUsers.com
- Subject: RE: No-tech; was: Funny
- 
- Fountain pen!??
- We had monitors before anyone could afford a fountain pen. 
- Ink monitors.
- It was their job each morning for a week to fill up the 
- inkwell on each desk. Then we dipped our nibbed pens into 
- the inkwells and started to write. Nibbed pens were fun. You 
- could use them to flick ink across the room (the walls and 
- ceiling bore testimony of this), or, if preferred, onto the 
- back of the girl in front. In combination with a strong 
- rubber band they also made fairly lethal weapons. Can't do 
- any of those fun things these days...
- 
- And I still have a Parker 61 fountain pen that was given to 
- me in 1969, and it still works fine.
- 
- Roger Shuttleworth
- London, Ontario
- Canada
- 
- -Original Message-
- From: 
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- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ameusers.co
- m] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
- Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:11 AM
- To: Roberts, Katie; framers@FrameUsers.com
- Subject: OT: No-tech; was: Funny
- 
- Ah yes, the good old(en) days of low-tech.  Or maybe I 
- should say no-tech.
- 
- I wrote my first reports with a hand-held device.  Nope, not 
- a Palm Pilot or a hand held PC.  This hand-held device was 
- called a FOUNTAIN PEN.
- Remember
- fountain pens?  Smeary, smelly ink that got all over your 
- fingers and took forever to dry.  You had to write each 
- letter by hand.  And there was no such thing as white-out.  
- Make a mistake?  Do the whooole page over.
- :-(
- 
- Ball point pens came out a few years later.  And white out 
- too.  Wheee.
- Calculators did not come out 'till after I was out of 
- college.  Changed the world - if you could afford one, that is.
- 
- We use CAD to design things today.  Back in college we used 
- something called a drafting board.  And we used hand-held 
- devices called PENCILS.  They were better than fountain pens 
- because you could actually erase your mistakes and not have 
- to do the whole page over. :-)
- 
- The first computer I ever used had tubes in it.  It cost a 
- million dollars and would add, subtract, multiply, and 
- divide. Programming was in assembly language.  Punch cards 
- and green-bar printouts.  Advanced technology?
- Well,
- maybe.  Make mistake?  Do the whole punch card over. And 
- watch out for hanging chad.  Whoops, no, we didn't have 
- hanging chad back then.  That was invented in the election of 2000.
- 
- Kids today don't know how easy they have it.  Hey, kids 10 
- years ago don't know how easy they had it, either.
- 
- The fun (and funny) thing about all this is that every 
- generation says the same thing about how easy their kids 
- have it.  And it'll probably be true 100 years from now.
- 
- Diane Gaskill
- Lockheed-Martin Space Systems
- 
- -Original Message-
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
rs.com]On
- Behalf Of Roberts, Katie
- Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:32 PM
- To: framers@FrameUsers.com
- Subject: RE: Funny
- 
- I'm 47 and have been taking on-line classes since 2002. It 
- is great! It is so much better to be able to attend classes 
- in your pajamas. Way back, in the long, long ago, I had to 
- type my reports on a manual typewriter and depended heavily 
- on white out or the correction paper.
- Heck, I even used a telex machine in one of my first jobs.
- Thank heavens for technology.
- 
- Katie Roberts
- Ohmart/VEGA Corp.
- Cincinnati, OH
- 513-272-0524x167
- The important thing is not to stop questioning.
- Albert Einstein
- 
- Vote for Char James-Tanny for STC International Secretary!
- 
- 
- -Original Message-
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ers.com] On Behalf Of Joe Malin
- Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:51 PM
- To: Gillian Flato; framers@FrameUsers.com
- Subject: RE: Funny
- 
- What really *bugs* me (and I'm *much* older than 30) is how 
- good science students in college got it now.
- 
- I majored in Chemistry in undergrad. I had to type science 
- papers on a portable typewriter, make photocopies of 
- instrument outputs or data plots and then do a massive 
- paste-up job. We had primitive calculators, but also relied 
- on slide rules. Need something from an instrument or a test? 
- Get up at 2 am and *walk to the source*. Ugh.
- 
- Did computer science in grad school. On a mainframe (double 
- ugh). No dial-up; had ride downtown to the computer lab to 
- get on a terminal, then hang around until 2 AM so turnaround 
- on jobs was less than 20 minutes. Had to wait until *3 AM* 
- to get access to the computer graphics equipment.
- 
- I wouldn't wish any of it on a blind dog. I'm not better 
- for having done it the hard way, just probably more burned 
- 

Keycaps fonts lose their already shady characters

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

Not a clue about your real problem. I just had to respond: How can you even 
DREAM of paying for something like that out of your own pocket? Big guy wants 
the job done - big guy pays. Judging by your contributions to the list over the 
years, I think your employer should cherish you and respect your judgment 
enough to do that!

-Niels

-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of hedley.finger at myob.com
-> Sent: 30. marts 2006 06:49
-> To: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Cc: austechwriter at freelists.org
-> Subject: Keycaps fonts lose their already shady characters
-> 
-> All:
-> 
-> I recently needed to show actual key caps in some 
-> documentation.  After a plea on austechwriters and googling 
-> around, I was able to find three keycaps fonts, one 
-> shareware and not very aesthetic, and two of unknown 
-> provenance, probably copyright.  But they all exhibit the 
-> same baffling behaviour, so I'll just use one for the 
-> following examples.
-> 
-> If Character Map is set to the keycaps font and I select the 
-> characters corresponding to A B C a b and c , I get the A B 
-> C Alt Return and CapsLock key caps in the Characters To Copy 
-> box.  Copying these characters from Character Map and 
-> _pasting_ into FrameMaker retains these characters.  But, if 
-> I create a character or paragraph format set to use the 
-> keycaps font, and then _type_ A B C a b and c , I get A B C 
-> A B and C, except that the second lot of caps are slightly 
-> smaller, like small capitals.  Re-applying the keycaps 
-> character and paragraph formats makes no difference -- the a 
-> b c characters stay stubbornly alphabetic and do not display 
-> as Alt Return and CapsLock.
-> 
-> What is the reason for this odd behaviour and can anyone 
-> suggest a workaround other than copying from Character Map?  
-> Can anybody direct me to other keycaps fonts that behave 
-> correctly in FrameMaker**, preferably freeware  (but I am 
-> prepared to pay a modest price out of my own pocket, even 
-> though it's my employers job).
-> 
-> Regards,
-> Hedley
-> 
-> ** But Wordpad, Microsoft Word, and OpenOffice.org Writer 
-> display the correct characters when the paragraph or 
-> character format applies the keycaps font.  So can someone 
-> at Adobe tell me why FrameMaker won't handle these fonts 
-> correctly as displayed in Character Map and in the font 
-> viewer when you double-click the font file in the Windows 
-> Font folder?
-> 
-> --
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-> Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist MYOB 
-> Australia 
-> P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
-> 12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 
-> 3151 Australia
-> 
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-> 
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RE: Stripping color definitions from .fm files

[Niels Fanøe]

Save as MIF, close. Open doc, save as FM.

Search the archive for tools to do this on many files...

-Niels 

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-  On Behalf Of Melanie Raney
- Sent: 22. marts 2006 02:12
- To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
- Subject: Stripping color definitions from .fm files
- 
- Anybody know an easy and quick way to delete several color 
- definitions from a document at once?
- 
- When we paste something from sources such as web pages, 
- pdfs, or other not-to-template docs into our .fm files, a 
- bunch of non-standard color definitions are introduced 
- (sometimes hundreds). These non-standard colors come before 
- our standard colors alphabetically in the color palette 
- list. To select one of our defined colors, we have to scroll 
- for miles to get to ours in the list... annoying and time consuming.
- 
- It would seem an easy solution to rename our color 
- definitions to fall at the top of the list. But at this 
- point, our template is set in stone, and we have hundreds of 
- files using these color defs. Plus, I want to get rid of the 
- undesired colors, so new writers don't feel tempted to select them...
- 
- BTW, we're using FM 7.0p576. Thanks for any help --Melanie
- 
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- Senior Information Developer
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Stripping color definitions from .fm files

[Niels Fanøe]

Save as MIF, close. Open doc, save as FM.

Search the archive for tools to do this on many files...

-Niels 

-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Melanie Raney
-> Sent: 22. marts 2006 02:12
-> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: Stripping color definitions from .fm files
-> 
-> Anybody know an easy and quick way to delete several color 
-> definitions from a document at once?
-> 
-> When we paste something from sources such as web pages, 
-> pdfs, or other not-to-template docs into our .fm files, a 
-> bunch of non-standard color definitions are introduced 
-> (sometimes hundreds). These non-standard colors come before 
-> our standard colors alphabetically in the color palette 
-> list. To select one of our defined colors, we have to scroll 
-> for miles to get to ours in the list... annoying and time consuming.
-> 
-> It would seem an easy solution to rename our color 
-> definitions to fall at the top of the list. But at this 
-> point, our template is set in stone, and we have hundreds of 
-> files using these color defs. Plus, I want to get rid of the 
-> undesired colors, so new writers don't feel tempted to select them...
-> 
-> BTW, we're using FM 7.0p576. Thanks for any help --Melanie
-> 
-> raney at earthdecision.com
-> --
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-> Senior Information Developer
-> Valley Forge
-> SPX Service Solutions
-> 2900 Wilcrest | Suite 270 | Houston, TX 77042 | USA
-> T: 713 532 7205 F: 713 532 7204 M: 713 443 3295 
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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

[Niels Fanøe]

We use separate TOC files as well (Frank's second method below), but we use 
an AutoIT script to update it - no manual steps after the initial set-up.

-Niels

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-  On Behalf Of Frank Harper
- Sent: 6. marts 2006 13:20
- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Wollenberger, David'; 'Framers 
- (FrameMaker List)'
- Cc: Framers@frameusers.com
- Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
- 
- David,
- 
- There are two methods I have used. 
- 
- First is to use the cross-reference feature - place 
- cross-references to the headings you want for your TOC. 
- Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with a leader for 
- the page number. Define the cross-reference format to 
- include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page 
- numbers are updated just like any cross-reference.
- 
- The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC 
- using the Special menu. This generates a separate file. 
- Import the TOC file by reference into the chapter at the 
- point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the 
- TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. 
- Unfortunately, this method requires manual steps, so I 
- prefer the first method.
- 
- Good luck,
- Frank Harper
- 
- -Original Message-
- From: davidaflynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
- To: 'Wollenberger, David' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Framers 
- (FrameMaker List)' Framers@frameusers.com
- Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
- 
- Hi,
- 
- I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of 
- contents in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only 
- display all 
- H1 cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
- 
- Thank you,
-  
- Shall Close,
-  
- Regards,
-  
- David Flynn
- Technical Writer
- Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2
- Extn: 220
- Fiorano Software
- www.fiorano.com
-  
- 
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- 
- Learn more at http://www.fiorano.com/products/
- 
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- Download and try Fiorano SOAT 2006 Platform at 
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- 
- -Original Message-
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
rs.com] On 
- Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
- Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
- To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
- Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
- 
- I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
- beginning of each chapter.
- 
- Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to 
- create a book for each chapter. These books would contain 
- nothing but 
- the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a 
- master book that contains each of the book files.
- 
- Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I 
- attempt to 
- Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During 
- Searches, 
- FM says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, 
- FM says it 
- cannot generate because the master book file contains no openable 
- non-generated files. I can open these books from the master 
- book window 
- by double-clicking, no errors.
- 
- Another approach would be to figure out some way of 
- including the TOC 
- inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I 
- would get FM 
- to do this.
- 
- 
- Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you 
- can confirm 
- that it can't be done, that would help also.
-  
- 
- David Wollenberger
- 
- 
- ca
- 
- Technical Writer
- tel: +1 310 957-3969 (Internal: x63969)
- fax: +1 310 957-3917
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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

[Niels Fanøe]

We use separate TOC files as well (Frank's "second method" below), but we use 
an AutoIT script to update it - no manual steps after the initial set-up.

-Niels

-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Frank Harper
-> Sent: 6. marts 2006 13:20
-> To: davidaflynn at gmail.com; 'Wollenberger, David'; 'Framers 
-> (FrameMaker List)'
-> Cc: Framers at frameusers.com
-> Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
-> 
-> David,
-> 
-> There are two methods I have used. 
-> 
-> First is to use the cross-reference feature - place 
-> cross-references to the headings you want for your TOC. 
-> Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with a leader for 
-> the page number. Define the cross-reference format to 
-> include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page 
-> numbers are updated just like any cross-reference.
-> 
-> The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC 
-> using the Special menu. This generates a separate file. 
-> Import the TOC file by reference into the chapter at the 
-> point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the 
-> TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. 
-> Unfortunately, this method requires manual steps, so I 
-> prefer the first method.
-> 
-> Good luck,
-> Frank Harper
-> 
-> -Original Message-
-> >From: davidaflynn 
-> >Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
-> >To: "'Wollenberger, David'" , "'Framers 
-> >(FrameMaker List)'" 
-> >Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
-> >
-> >Hi,
-> >
-> >I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of 
-> >contents in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only 
-> display all 
-> >H1 cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
-> >
-> >Thank you,
-> > 
-> >Shall Close,
-> > 
-> >Regards,
-> > 
-> >David Flynn
-> >Technical Writer
-> >Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2
-> >Extn: 220
-> >Fiorano Software
-> >www.fiorano.com
-> > 
-> >
-> ___
-> >_
-> >_
-> >
-> >Fiorano announces the availability of it's next generation 
-> platform - 
-> >Fiorano SOAT 2006 Platform
-> >
-> >Learn more at http://www.fiorano.com/products/
-> >
-> >Cut your SOA implementation time and cost by 80% today.
-> >Download and try Fiorano SOAT 2006 Platform at 
-> >www.fiorano.com/downloads/
-> >
-> >
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-> >
-> >-Original Message-
-> >From: framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com
-> >[mailto:framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameuse
rs.com] On 
-> >Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
-> >Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
-> >To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
-> >Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
-> >
-> >I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
-> >beginning of each chapter.
-> >
-> >Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to 
-> >create a book for each chapter. These books would contain 
-> nothing but 
-> >the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a 
-> >master book that contains each of the book files.
-> >
-> >Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I 
-> attempt to 
-> >Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During 
-> Searches, 
-> >FM says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, 
-> FM says it 
-> >cannot generate because the master book file contains no openable 
-> >non-generated files. I can open these books from the master 
-> book window 
-> >by double-clicking, no errors.
-> >
-> >Another approach would be to figure out some way of 
-> including the TOC 
-> >inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I 
-> would get FM 
-> >to do this.
-> >
-> >
-> >Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you 
-> can confirm 
-> >that it can't be done, that would help also.
-> > 
-> >
-> >David Wollenberger
-> >
-> >
-> >ca
-> >
-> >Technical Writer
-> >tel: +1 310 957-3969 (Internal: x63969)
-> >fax: +1 310 957-3917
-> >david.wollenberger at ca.com
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RE: Esc m p for anchored frames?

[Niels Fanøe]

I always remember it as Make Phit...

-Niels

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-  On Behalf Of Pat Christenson
- Sent: 9. februar 2006 08:44
- To: framers List
- Subject: Re: Esc m p for anchored frames?
- 
- When I taught this shortcut in one of my FrameMaker classes, 
- someone suggested it stood for Make Perfect.
- 
- I've always liked that and it makes the shortcut easier to remember.
- 
- Pat Christenson
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RE: TOC page no. fonts

[Niels Fanøe]

Changing TOC number format: On the Reference page in the TOC file, apply a 
character format to the $pagenum variable for the paragraph format in 
question. Regenerate.

Regarding the second question: Umm, fixing a TOC manually certainly is not a 
good idea - kinda defies the purpose. If you have too many TOC entries, 
something is amiss in the structure of your doc - like you are making something 
into a heading (and thus including it in your TOC) without really meaning to...

-Niels


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- Sent: 9. februar 2006 03:44
- To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
- Subject: FW: TOC page no. fonts
- 
- Hi, gang:
- 
- Is there any way to format the numbers in a TOC separate 
- from the Headers?
- Otherwise as the Headers vary in font size, so do the page 
- numbers. I tried going into the master pages and changing 
- the font only in the building block that called the page 
- number, but to no avail.
- 
- Also, is there some way to keep certain entries out of the 
- TOC so that it remains a certain page size? Regeneration 
- adds to the Roman numerals in the following preface section 
- and thereby makes the Index incorrect after I drop a page 
- when manually deleting TOC entries.
- 
- Thanks in advance for all you guys do in answering these e-mails.
- 
- ~ Don Spencer
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RE: how to get mouse wheel to work with FM

[Niels Fanøe]

FreeWheel driver: http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/freewheel.shtml
Searchable archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/

Regards,
-Niels 

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- Subject: how to get mouse wheel to work with FM
- 
- I know this issue has been dealt with here, but since the 
- archives aren't searchable, I can't find the relevant post.
- 
- My wheel was working fine with FM, but I had to reinstall FM 
- and now it doesn't recognize the wheel. I have the latest 
- Intellipoint driver. What am I missing?
- 
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RE: how to get mouse wheel to work with FM - CORRECTION

[Niels Fanøe]

Sorry, I linked to the wrong driver (for Amiga...)

Here it is: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html 

-Niels
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-  On Behalf Of Niels Fanøe
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- Subject: RE: how to get mouse wheel to work with FM
- 
- FreeWheel driver: http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/freewheel.shtml
- Searchable archives: 
- http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/
- 
- Regards,
- -Niels 
- 
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- - Subject: how to get mouse wheel to work with FM
- - 
- - I know this issue has been dealt with here, but since the 
- archives 
- - aren't searchable, I can't find the relevant post.
- - 
- - My wheel was working fine with FM, but I had to reinstall 
- FM and now 
- - it doesn't recognize the wheel. I have the latest Intellipoint 
- - driver. What am I missing?
- - 
- - _
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- - John Wilcox, Technical Writer
- - Zetron, Redmond
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how to get mouse wheel to work with FM

[Niels Fanøe]

FreeWheel driver: http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/freewheel.shtml
Searchable archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at 
lists.frameusers.com/

Regards,
-Niels 

-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of John Wilcox
-> Sent: 2. februar 2006 19:32
-> To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
-> Subject: how to get mouse wheel to work with FM
-> 
-> I know this issue has been dealt with here, but since the 
-> archives aren't searchable, I can't find the relevant post.
-> 
-> My wheel was working fine with FM, but I had to reinstall FM 
-> and now it doesn't recognize the wheel. I have the latest 
-> Intellipoint driver. What am I missing?
-> 
-> _
-> Regards,
-> John Wilcox, Technical Writer
-> Zetron, Redmond
-> 
-> 
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how to get mouse wheel to work with FM - CORRECTION

[Niels Fanøe]

Sorry, I linked to the wrong driver (for Amiga...)

Here it is: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html 

-Niels
-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Niels Fan?e
-> Sent: 3. februar 2006 13:09
-> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: RE: how to get mouse wheel to work with FM
-> 
-> FreeWheel driver: http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/freewheel.shtml
-> Searchable archives: 
-> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/
-> 
-> Regards,
-> -Niels 
-> 
-> -> -Original Message-
-> -> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com
-> -> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
-> ->  On Behalf Of John Wilcox
-> -> Sent: 2. februar 2006 19:32
-> -> To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
-> -> Subject: how to get mouse wheel to work with FM
-> -> 
-> -> I know this issue has been dealt with here, but since the 
-> archives 
-> -> aren't searchable, I can't find the relevant post.
-> -> 
-> -> My wheel was working fine with FM, but I had to reinstall 
-> FM and now 
-> -> it doesn't recognize the wheel. I have the latest Intellipoint 
-> -> driver. What am I missing?
-> -> 
-> -> _
-> -> Regards,
-> -> John Wilcox, Technical Writer
-> -> Zetron, Redmond
-> -> 
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add Framers list to gmane.org?

[Niels Fanøe]

John wrote:
-> Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, 
-> but once they are in documentation, anything can happen; 
-> somepone else recycles what you create not knowing the 
-> restrictions, you leave and someone takes over the stuff and 
-> doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd rather not be involved with.

Would copying and pasting into internal documetation be any better? I don't 
think so.

-Niels 

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-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of John Posada
-> Sent: 26. januar 2006 15:36
-> To: Jakob Fix; Framers List
-> Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
-> 
-> > ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links just 
-> as references 
-> > for internal howto documents to be shared with colleagues, 
-> not as an 
-> > official documentation that will be distributed to 
-> clients, if that's 
-> > your concern.
-> 
-> Sorry, Jakob, there was no misunderstanding.
-> 
-> Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, 
-> but once they are in documentation, anything can happen; 
-> somepone else recycles what you create not knowing the 
-> restrictions, you leave and someone takes over the stuff and 
-> doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd rather not be involved with.
-> 
-> 
-> 
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-> Senior Technical Writer
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manipulating headers / footers through API?

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi Jakob,

Can't you manipulate the markers "Header/Footer $1" and "Header/Footer $2" 
instead, and just include those markers in the footer? 

I've made a FrameScript program that does this in order to create footers for 
an index, so I guess you can do that with the API. Might prove easier.

Best regards,
Niels

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com] 
> On Behalf Of Jakob Fix
> Sent: 11. januar 2006 12:25
> To: Framers List
> Subject: manipulating headers / footers through API?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm currently exploring the feasibility to modify/update what 
> is displayed in the running footer through an API client 
> which reads information from an initialization file, and 
> updates the footer accordingly, like this:
> 
> maker.ini
> 8<8<
> [MyInitSection]
> initfile = TestInit.ini
> 
> TestInit.ini
> 8<8<
> [Publication1]
> FooterCenter="DRAFT"
> FooterBinding="January 2006"
> 
> 
> Now, it can't be very hard to read these configuration 
> settings from within an API client.  However, what I'm 
> currently struggling with is how to access the footer of my 
> document.  So far, I've found this:
> 
> FO_MasterPage
> -> FP_PageFrame (which is a FO_UnanchoredFrame)
>-> FP_FirstGraphicInFrame and then
>-> FP_NextGraphicInFrame (apparently TextFrames are "graphics")
>   -> use this object's objId with F_ApiGetText
>   -> and then F_ApiDeleteText and F_ApiAddText
> 
> All this comes from reading the FDK reference and the FDK 
> Guide. As I said I'm investigating this because we may hire a 
> programmer to do this (and more), but I'm no C++ programmer 
> myself, so testing out the above would take me quite some time.
> 
> BTW, we're currently updating the information in the footer 
> through text insets located in a separate file (I guess that 
> this may be your first suggestion to "do it another way"), 
> but we'd like to centralize information like this in one 
> easy-to-manage configuration text file for each publication.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> --
> cheers,
> Jakob.
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Converting to Character Formats

[Niels Fanøe]

No need for plugins.

Select some text formatted with the char format you want to apply. Select Edit 
- Copy Special - Character Format. Then, in the Find/Replace box, choose to 
find a character format. Set the dialog to As Is (Shift+F8), and choose Bold in 
the Weight box. OK out. Then, in the Replace box, choose to replace By Pasting. 
Replace all, and you should be done.

HTH,
-Niels

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> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com] 
> On Behalf Of Marcus Carr
> Sent: 6. januar 2006 06:54
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: Converting to Character Formats
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to convert text formatted as bold into text 
> formatted by a character format.
> 
> I don't think this should be hard, but it seems that there 
> are likely to be a number of ways of skinning this cat, and 
> I'm interested in the pros and cons. Any good plug ins or API 
> clients available? Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> --
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> 
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Converting to Character Formats

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi Rick,

I don't see the problem. If I Copy Special a Char Format, say the Emphasis 
format, and replace a bolded text by pasting the Char Format, then the text is 
stamped with the Emphasis format - the bold goes away, and the text is 
emphasized. If you later change the format, then the formerly bolded text gets 
changed, too. And that's what I believe Marcus wanted. Be ye the judge, Marcus! 
:o)

-Niels 

> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexpert at truevine.net] 
> Sent: 6. januar 2006 13:58
> To: Niels Fan?e; Marcus Carr; Frame Users
> Subject: Re: Converting to Character Formats
> 
> The problem with this approach is that when you choose Edit > 
> Copy Special > Character Format, it copies ALL of the 
> formatting of the selected text, not just those of the 
> character format applied to it. When you replace by pasting, 
> you will be pasting more than just the character format's properties.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
> 
> No need for plugins.
> 
> Select some text formatted with the char format you want to 
> apply. Select Edit - Copy Special - Character Format. Then, 
> in the Find/Replace box, choose to find a character format. 
> Set the dialog to As Is (Shift+F8), and choose Bold in the 
> Weight box. OK out. Then, in the Replace box, choose to 
> replace By Pasting. Replace all, and you should be done.
> 
> HTH,
> -Niels
> 
> 

RE: atw: Frame query

[Niels Fanøe]

Or you can select whatever is in front and then Alt+Arrow it to one side until 
you can select and delete the offending graphic. Then Alt-Arrow the former 
selection back the same amount of Arrow-depressions. (Remember to count the 
first time around!)

-Niels  

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley
 Sent: 3. januar 2006 13:12
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: atw: Frame query
 
 FrameMaker's clipboard is only one object deep (at least it 
 is in the Window's versions, can't say for Macintosh) so 
 multiple cut operations will delete anything except the last 
 item sent to the clipboard via cut or copy.
 
 I find it far safer to simply select items in front of the 
 unwanted object via control-click and send them to the back, 
 repeating as necessary if there is more than one overlying 
 the target of my removal (e.g. the circle in this case).
 
 You can usually also grab the background object alone by 
 drag-selecting it (hold the left mouse button down and drag a 
 selection rectangle starting in a position such that you do 
 not enclose the text frame), and then either delete it, cut 
 it to the clipboard, or bring it to the front again.
  
 On Monday, January 02, 2006 10:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 | Jill:
 | 
 |  If anyone is back at work yet - how can I get rid of a graphic I
 have
 | 'sent to back'. 
 |  In this case it is only a circle. I have looked up help 
 and couldn't
 | find anything.
 | 
 | A graphic exists in a context.  On a page, the context is 
 the page's 
 | border, so that the graphic is in a z-ordinate or list from 
 front to 
 | back with everything else on that page.  In an anchored frame, the 
 | graphic is in a front-to-back list with everything else in the 
 | anchored frame.
 | 
 | Save a back up of the file.
 | 
 | Ctrl-click each item that lies in front of the graphic item. 
 | Cut them to the clipboard.
 | Click on the unwanted graphic and delete it.
 | Select the context: in a page, click in the margin outside the text 
 | frame, in an anchored frame, Ctrl-click the border.
 | 
 | It is important to select the context at this point because the x-y 
 | coordinates of the items on the clipboard are preserved and 
 applied to 
 | position them in their original locations provided they are pasted  
 | back into the context whence they were cut.
 | 
 | Now paste from the clipboard.
 | 
 | Hope this helps,
 | Hedley
 
 - Lester
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atw: Frame query

[Niels Fanøe]

Or you can select whatever is in front and then Alt+Arrow it to one side until 
you can select and delete the offending graphic. Then Alt-Arrow the former 
selection back the same amount of Arrow-depressions. (Remember to count the 
first time around!)

-Niels  

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com] 
> On Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley
> Sent: 3. januar 2006 13:12
> To: hedley.finger at myob.com; austechwriter at freelists.org; 
> framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: atw: Frame query
> 
> FrameMaker's clipboard is only one object deep (at least it 
> is in the Window's versions, can't say for Macintosh) so 
> multiple cut operations will delete anything except the last 
> item sent to the clipboard via cut or copy.
> 
> I find it far safer to simply select items in front of the 
> unwanted object via control-click and send them to the back, 
> repeating as necessary if there is more than one overlying 
> the target of my removal (e.g. the circle in this case).
> 
> You can usually also grab the "background" object alone by 
> drag-selecting it (hold the left mouse button down and drag a 
> selection rectangle starting in a position such that you do 
> not enclose the text frame), and then either delete it, cut 
> it to the clipboard, or bring it to the front again.
>  
> On Monday, January 02, 2006 10:30 PM, hedley.finger at myob.com wrote:
> 
> | Jill:
> | 
> | > If anyone is back at work yet - how can I get rid of a graphic I
> have
> | 'sent to back'. 
> | > In this case it is only a circle. I have looked up help 
> and couldn't
> | find anything.
> | 
> | A graphic exists in a context.  On a page, the context is 
> the page's 
> | border, so that the graphic is in a z-ordinate or list from 
> front to 
> | back with everything else on that page.  In an anchored frame, the 
> | graphic is in a front-to-back list with everything else in the 
> | anchored frame.
> | 
> | Save a back up of the file.
> | 
> | Ctrl-click each item that lies in front of the graphic item. 
> | Cut them to the clipboard.
> | Click on the unwanted graphic and delete it.
> | Select the context: in a page, click in the margin outside the text 
> | frame, in an anchored frame, Ctrl-click the border.
> | 
> | It is important to select the context at this point because the x-y 
> | coordinates of the items on the clipboard are preserved and 
> applied to 
> | position them in their original locations provided they are pasted  
> | back into the context whence they were cut.
> | 
> | Now paste from the clipboard.
> | 
> | Hope this helps,
> | Hedley
> 
> - Lester
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> Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712  
> Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com 
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Win FM document select shortcut

[Niels Fanøe]

Ctrl+F6.

-Niels 

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> [mailto:owner-framers at omsys.com] On Behalf Of Paul Findon
> Sent: 25. november 2005 15:25
> To: free framers; Framers List
> Subject: Win FM document select shortcut
> 
> With Mac FrameMaker, Command-Option-W cycles through open 
> windows and documents. Is there an equivalent shortcut for 
> Windows FrameMaker?
> 
> Paul
> 
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