Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline (SOLVED)

[acraig]

Thanks, Rick and Winfried. You nailed it.

I knew I had to be missing something simple but not obvious, I just couldn't
figure out what it was.

Alison 



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Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Hi Alison,

You have to set your numbering at the book component level, not the document
level. Right-click on the components and set the numbering there and then
update the book.

Rick

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Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

That's not what I have in my other books, so no. I didn't try that.

Now that I have tried it, that sets the page number to A, not the heading
number.

But thanks, Alison 



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Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Alison - When you select Format > Document > Numbering for Appendix A within
the book, have you selected the Page tab and made sure It says First Page #:
1 and Format ALPHABETIC A?


 

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Subject: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Frame 2020, Version: 16.0.5.1096

Windows 10

I'm having issues with the appendices in a book. No matter what I do, they
keep reverting from Appendix A and Appendix B, to Appendix 8 and Appendix 9.

I've tried configuring Format > Document > Numbering so it matches exactly
with a book where the numbering works perfectly, but when I Update Book, the
appendices revert to numbers.

I have to publish this book tomorrow (Monday, November 20) and I'm tearing
my hair out here.

Any suggestions?

Alison

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Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

[rick]

Hi Alison,

You have to set your numbering at the book component level, not the document
level. Right-click on the components and set the numbering there and then
update the book.

Rick

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Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

That's not what I have in my other books, so no. I didn't try that.

Now that I have tried it, that sets the page number to A, not the heading
number.

But thanks, Alison 



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Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Alison - When you select Format > Document > Numbering for Appendix A within
the book, have you selected the Page tab and made sure It says First Page #:
1 and Format ALPHABETIC A?


 

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Subject: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Frame 2020, Version: 16.0.5.1096

Windows 10

I'm having issues with the appendices in a book. No matter what I do, they
keep reverting from Appendix A and Appendix B, to Appendix 8 and Appendix 9.

I've tried configuring Format > Document > Numbering so it matches exactly
with a book where the numbering works perfectly, but when I Update Book, the
appendices revert to numbers.

I have to publish this book tomorrow (Monday, November 20) and I'm tearing
my hair out here.

Any suggestions?

Alison

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Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

[Winfried Reng]

   Hi Alison,
   Did you change the numbering in the book file? Or in the FM file?
   You have to select the book file and in the book file select the
   appendix file. Then change the numbering.
   Best regards,
   Winfried
   Am 19.11.2023 22:56 schrieb acr...@shaw.ca:

 Frame 2020, Version: 16.0.5.1096
 Windows 10
 I'm having issues with the appendices in a book. No matter what I
 do, they
 keep reverting from Appendix A and Appendix B, to Appendix 8 and
 Appendix 9.
 I've tried configuring Format > Document > Numbering so it matches
 exactly
 with a book where the numbering works perfectly, but when I Update
 Book, the
 appendices revert to numbers.
 I have to publish this book tomorrow (Monday, November 20) and I'm
 tearing
 my hair out here.
 Any suggestions?
 Alison
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Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

[acraig]

That's not what I have in my other books, so no. I didn't try that.

Now that I have tried it, that sets the page number to A, not the heading
number.

But thanks, Alison 



-Original Message-
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Sent: November 19, 2023 2:45 PM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'

Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Alison - When you select Format > Document > Numbering for Appendix A within
the book, have you selected the Page tab and made sure It says First Page #:
1 and Format ALPHABETIC A?


 

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From: Framers  On
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Frame 2020, Version: 16.0.5.1096

Windows 10

I'm having issues with the appendices in a book. No matter what I do, they
keep reverting from Appendix A and Appendix B, to Appendix 8 and Appendix 9.

I've tried configuring Format > Document > Numbering so it matches exactly
with a book where the numbering works perfectly, but when I Update Book, the
appendices revert to numbers.

I have to publish this book tomorrow (Monday, November 20) and I'm tearing
my hair out here.

Any suggestions?

Alison

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Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

[Thomas Bain]

Alison - When you select Format > Document > Numbering for Appendix A within
the book, have you selected the Page tab and made sure It says First Page #:
1 and Format ALPHABETIC A?

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Frame 2020, Version: 16.0.5.1096

Windows 10

I'm having issues with the appendices in a book. No matter what I do, they
keep reverting from Appendix A and Appendix B, to Appendix 8 and Appendix 9.



I've tried configuring Format > Document > Numbering so it matches exactly
with a book where the numbering works perfectly, but when I Update Book, the
appendices revert to numbers.



I have to publish this book tomorrow (Monday, November 20) and I'm tearing
my hair out here.



Any suggestions?



Alison

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[Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

[acraig]

Frame 2020, Version: 16.0.5.1096

Windows 10

I'm having issues with the appendices in a book. No matter what I do, they
keep reverting from Appendix A and Appendix B, to Appendix 8 and Appendix 9.



I've tried configuring Format > Document > Numbering so it matches exactly
with a book where the numbering works perfectly, but when I Update Book, the
appendices revert to numbers.



I have to publish this book tomorrow (Monday, November 20) and I'm tearing
my hair out here.



Any suggestions?



Alison 

 

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Re: [Framers] super-slow tagged FrameMaker Help PDF

[Robert Lauriston]

Did you download framemaker_help.pdf from
https://www.adobe.com/go/learn_fm16_ug_pdf_en ? I have gigabit
internet, so downloading was almost instant, but it took two or three
minutes to open in Acrobat Pro DC, and 20 minutes later it still
hasn't finished saving as reduced file size.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 2:04 PM  wrote:
>
> I downloaded in about 2 seconds and opened it in Acrobat Pro in about 3
> seconds.
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[Framers] Help Replicating Very Specific Word Styles

[A Craig]

FrameMaker 2020

Win 10, 64 bit

Unstructured

 

I have 3 Word styles I need to replicate in the new FrameMaker template I'm
creating and I'm not sure how to do it.

 

I have sample images of each style if anyone wants to reply off-list.

 

 

1) Procedure heading that prefaces all instruction sets.

- It runs the width of the page, has a special bullet image and is backed by
a wide grey line. 

 

2) NOTE format that in Word, is located inside a single row table, with
lines above and below to set it off and a special bullet image as part of
the tabbed intro. 

- A NOTE can have multiple lines but only the first line has the special
bullet.

- There will need to be several versions of this item as indentation is
dependent upon the style in use above the note (eg, bullet or instruction).

 

3) Safety Advisories (DANGER, WARNING and CAUTION) that are inside a
3-celled single line table. 

- The first cell has no borders and holds the relevant cautionary image (an
exclamation point inside an appropriately coloured triangle).

- The second cell is coloured to match the relevant cautionary image and
contains one word (and some hidden text): DANGER, WARNING or CAUTION.

- The third cell contains the safety advisory text and may be one or several
paragraphs and may or may not contain (regular) bullet points and/or cross
references.

- Many safety advisories are repeated multiple times in the manual (and
reused by many different products). 

- Cells 2 and 3 are surrounded by a thin, black double line.

 

If it matters, we do a lot of translating, so that will have to be kept in
mind.

 

 

As I recall (through a dim haze) there is a way to use the Reference page
for items 2 and 3.

 

Alison 

 

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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Lynne A. Price]

Böðvar,

   You are quite welcome.

    --Lynne

On 3/30/2021 4:01 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson wrote:

So, Lynne, if you are reading this, THANKS!


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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Hi Steve,
Thanks and thanks for asking.

It was a great fun doing that job. I did three different layout versions
for different book sizes. Actually, it was the New Testament plus the
Psalms and the Proverbs, but it is the same amount of structured work.
However, I don't think there will be more upgrades for this since the Bible
is now available online and in audio as well, and this is what the young
people and the old ones who are losing eyesight want.

I have only been doing one or two small jobs a year now, and just now I am
doing a book of short stories (2-3 pages each, 80+ pages in all) which is
the product of a course some people are taking in Story writing techniques.
Just sent a first draft layout copy from the preliminary copy I was sent
today. Still waiting for the final copy. I am obliged to Lynne A. Price for
her suggestion regarding the TOC as I had to (well, actually, I wanted
to—not sure the buyer needs it!) merge three paragraph references into one
TOC Item. So, Lynne, if you are reading this, THANKS!

Brgds,
Bodvar




lau., 27. mar. 2021 kl. 19:21 skrifaði Steve Rickaby <
srick...@wordmongers.com>:

> >Kind regards,
> >Bodvar Bjorgvinsson (in the Senile group!)
>
> Great to know you're still around, Bodvar, senile or not :-)
>
> How did the Icelandic Bible turn out?
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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Steve Rickaby]

>Kind regards,
>Bodvar Bjorgvinsson (in the Senile group!)

Great to know you're still around, Bodvar, senile or not :-)

How did the Icelandic Bible turn out?

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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[tammyvb]

Hi Lynne,

Thank you so much! I will take a look at implementing this today. 

This list rocks.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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From: Framers 
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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 10:49 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

Tammy,

If I understand the issue, you are trying to make a single TOC entry that 
has the autonumber of the SectionNumber paragraph followed by the text of the 
SectionTitle paragraph. The format of one TOC entry cannot include information 
from multiple paragraphs (or elements in a structured document). However, you 
can create two entries that appear on one line by making the first one a run-in 
head. In your case, you can enter SectionNumber in the TOC, using <$paranum> 
and formatting that paragraph as a run-in head. Also enter SectionTitle in the 
TOC using <$paratext>. As long as all sections are consistent in the use of 
both paragraphs at the beginning, the result should be what you want.

 --Lynne

On 3/15/2021 8:36 AM, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:
> SectionNumber is an auto-numbered tag used within a chapter file 
> whereas the tag that immediately follows, SectionTitle, is not 
> auto-numbered. The numbering is not at the file level such as with 
> $Chapnum, so <$sectionnum>  is not an option.

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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Lynne! I think that's what I suggested generally. Your specificity is
much more helpful!

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 11:48 AM Lynne A. Price  wrote:

> Tammy,
>
> If I understand the issue, you are trying to make a single TOC entry
> that has the autonumber of the SectionNumber paragraph followed by the
> text of the SectionTitle paragraph. The format of one TOC entry cannot
> include information from multiple paragraphs (or elements in a
> structured document). However, you can create two entries that appear on
> one line by making the first one a run-in head. In your case, you can
> enter SectionNumber in the TOC, using <$paranum> and formatting that
> paragraph as a run-in head. Also enter SectionTitle in the TOC using
> <$paratext>. As long as all sections are consistent in the use of both
> paragraphs at the beginning, the result should be what you want.
>
>  --Lynne
>
> On 3/15/2021 8:36 AM, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:
> > SectionNumber is an auto-numbered tag used within a chapter file
> > whereas the tag that immediately follows, SectionTitle, is not
> > auto-numbered. The numbering is not at the file level such as with
> > $Chapnum, so <$sectionnum>  is not an option.
>
> --
> Lynne A. Price
> Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
> Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development,
> and training
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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Lynne A. Price]

Tammy,

   If I understand the issue, you are trying to make a single TOC entry 
that has the autonumber of the SectionNumber paragraph followed by the 
text of the SectionTitle paragraph. The format of one TOC entry cannot 
include information from multiple paragraphs (or elements in a 
structured document). However, you can create two entries that appear on 
one line by making the first one a run-in head. In your case, you can 
enter SectionNumber in the TOC, using <$paranum> and formatting that 
paragraph as a run-in head. Also enter SectionTitle in the TOC using 
<$paratext>. As long as all sections are consistent in the use of both 
paragraphs at the beginning, the result should be what you want.


    --Lynne

On 3/15/2021 8:36 AM, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:

SectionNumber is an auto-numbered tag used within a chapter file
whereas the tag that immediately follows, SectionTitle, is not
auto-numbered. The numbering is not at the file level such as with
$Chapnum, so <$sectionnum>  is not an option.


--
Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and 
training
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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[tammyvb]

Hi All,

I appreciate all the responses. Here's the summary:

> SectionNumber is an auto-numbered tag used within a chapter file 
> whereas the tag that immediately follows, SectionTitle, is not 
> auto-numbered. The numbering is not at the file level such as with 
> $Chapnum, so <$sectionnum>  is not an option. 

I have tried all iterations including <$paranum> before <$paratext>, but no 
luck. . . .

In a nutshell, . I am trying to extract a paragraph number from one tag 
(SectionNumber) and get it assigned to another tag (SectionTitle) when 
generating the TOC.

I have punted for now, and come up w/ a less than elegant solution, but it 
works and I have to move on to bigger fish to fry, but I am open to any and all 
suggestions.

Thanks!

TVB


Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Böðvar Björgvinsson
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 1:52 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

Ti Tammy,
Are you forgetting <$paranum> before <$paratext>?
Kind regards,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson (in the Senile group!)





fim., 11. mar. 2021 kl. 23:27 skrifaði :

> OK,
>
>
>
> Please have pity on my senior mind. It's been sooo long 
> since I have had to set certain formats up from scratch in Framemaker, 
> that I am just going bonkers trying to remember how I did something 
> before. Here's my current conundrum:
>
>
>
> On the first page of each chapter, I have the following tags:
>
> 1.  ChapterNumber, with the numbering set to N:Chapter <$chapnum>. At
> the book level, I set Chapter Numbering to 1 for the first chapter in 
> the book, and Continue numbering from previous chapter for all 
> subsequent chapters. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  ChapterTitle, which immediately follows ChapterNumber, and is set
> to
> Keep with Previous Paragraph.
>
>
>
>
>
> In each of my chapters in a book, I have Sections. The Sections are 
> denoted with a special master page layout that is different from the 
> first page of the chapter. On this page, I use several paragraph tags 
> including the
> following:
>
> 1.  Section Number, with the numbering set to the following: S:Section
> . The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  Section Title. This is the tag that immediately follows
> SectionNumber. This tag is set to keep with the previous paragraph.
>
> At the book level, I have paragraph tag numbering to start over for 
> each chapter, so the first time I use SectionNumber in a chapter, it 
> is numbering correctly as Section 1, and then followed by Section 2, 
> etc.
>
>
>
> For my TOC, I have selected the requisite tags, including ChapterTitle 
> and SectionTitle.
>
> 1.  For my ChapterTitleTOC tag, here is the format:  Chapter
> <$chapnum>:
> <$paratext>. . . . .<$pagenum> and I get the following output for example:
> Chapter 1: Wiggle the Widget. . . . . . 17.
>
>
>
> I need to set up an analogous SectionTitleTOC tag : Section 1: Section 
> Title contents, Section 2: Section Title contents, etc., and I guess I 
> am missing the boat on this one. I can go through all the iterations 
> that I have tried, but no matter what I try, I wind up with the 
> following:
>
>
>
> Section:  .
>
>
>
> I cannot get the section number to show up after the word "Section" 
> like I can for ChapterTitle. I am sure it's because the <$chapnum> is 
> a book-level variable vs. paragraph tag numbering for SectionNumber, 
> but I am at a loss to understand any further.  If any of you gurus out 
> there can point me to what I am doing wrong, and provide some insight, 
> I would be most appreciative. I had this working ages ago in another 
> manual, but that manual is no longer in my possession, so I can't 
> refer to it for clarification.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Theresa de Valence]

Tammy,

I don't remember exactly, but you can make autonumbering remember 
different series of things. There is some variable like SORT A, SORT B 
that makes you able to say something like A: B:


-Theresa

On 3/12/2021 12:28 PM, tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, I am not trying to recalculate
autonumbering in the generated TOC. I am indeed trying to extract the number
from the paragraph tag, and I think that is the crux of the matter.
SectionNumber is an auto-numbered tag used within a chapter file whereas the
tag that immediately follows, SectionTitle, is not auto-numbered. The
numbering is not at the file level such as with $Chapnum, so I am probably
trying to mix apples and oranges (for lack of a better metaphor). . . trying
to extract a paragraph number from one tag and get it assigned to another
tag when generating the TOC. I swear I had done this successfully before,
but for the life of me, I can't figure out how I did it. . . . I have punted
for now and did a little kludging to the SectionTitle paragraph tag to get
the number to pop in the TOC.  It isn't elegant, but it works.

Thanks!

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

-Original Message-
From: Framers
 On
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 5:43 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

Hi, Tammy:

The first thing that comes to my senior FM'ers mind is that your TOC formats
might be failing because perhaps your scheme is trying to recalculate
autonumbering in the generated TOC, instead of simply extracting the
numbering from the chapter file paragraphs.

I've always been a little worse at trying to debug someone else's
problematic autonumbering, than at debugging my own. That's when I referred
to various postings and examples. So, I tried a search for "examples of
framemaker book autonumbering" and found plenty of old familiar stuff. If
you haven't tried it, see if there are any useful memory triggers in the
search results.

HTH


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 5:27 PM  wrote:


OK,



Please have pity on my senior mind. It's been sooo long
since I have had to set certain formats up from scratch in Framemaker,
that I am just going bonkers trying to remember how I did something
before. Here's my current conundrum:



On the first page of each chapter, I have the following tags:

1.  ChapterNumber, with the numbering set to N:Chapter <$chapnum>. At
the book level, I set Chapter Numbering to 1 for the first chapter in
the book, and Continue numbering from previous chapter for all
subsequent chapters. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
2.  ChapterTitle, which immediately follows ChapterNumber, and is set
to
Keep with Previous Paragraph.





In each of my chapters in a book, I have Sections. The Sections are
denoted with a special master page layout that is different from the
first page of the chapter. On this page, I use several paragraph tags
including the
following:

1.  Section Number, with the numbering set to the following: S:Section
. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
2.  Section Title. This is the tag that immediately follows
SectionNumber. This tag is set to keep with the previous paragraph.

At the book level, I have paragraph tag numbering to start over for
each chapter, so the first time I use SectionNumber in a chapter, it
is numbering correctly as Section 1, and then followed by Section 2,
etc.



For my TOC, I have selected the requisite tags, including ChapterTitle
and SectionTitle.

1.  For my ChapterTitleTOC tag, here is the format:  Chapter
<$chapnum>:
<$paratext>. . . . .<$pagenum> and I get the following output for example:
Chapter 1: Wiggle the Widget. . . . . . 17.



I need to set up an analogous SectionTitleTOC tag : Section 1: Section
Title contents, Section 2: Section Title contents, etc., and I guess I
am missing the boat on this one. I can go through all the iterations
that I have tried, but no matter what I try, I wind up with the
following:



 Section:  .



I cannot get the section number to show up after the word "Section"
like I can for ChapterTitle. I am sure it's because the <$chapnum> is
a book-level variable vs. paragraph tag numbering for SectionNumber,
but I am at a loss to understand any further.  If any of you gurus out
there can point me to what I am doing wrong, and provide some insight,
I would be most appreciative. I had this working ages ago in another
manual, but that manual is no longer in my possession, so I can't
refer to it for clarification.



TIA,







Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com



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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Ti Tammy,
Are you forgetting <$paranum> before <$paratext>?
Kind regards,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson (in the Senile group!)





fim., 11. mar. 2021 kl. 23:27 skrifaði :

> OK,
>
>
>
> Please have pity on my senior mind. It's been sooo long since I
> have had to set certain formats up from scratch in Framemaker, that I am
> just going bonkers trying to remember how I did something before. Here's my
> current conundrum:
>
>
>
> On the first page of each chapter, I have the following tags:
>
> 1.  ChapterNumber, with the numbering set to N:Chapter <$chapnum>. At
> the book level, I set Chapter Numbering to 1 for the first chapter in the
> book, and Continue numbering from previous chapter for all subsequent
> chapters. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  ChapterTitle, which immediately follows ChapterNumber, and is set
> to
> Keep with Previous Paragraph.
>
>
>
>
>
> In each of my chapters in a book, I have Sections. The Sections are denoted
> with a special master page layout that is different from the first page of
> the chapter. On this page, I use several paragraph tags including the
> following:
>
> 1.  Section Number, with the numbering set to the following: S:Section
> . The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  Section Title. This is the tag that immediately follows
> SectionNumber. This tag is set to keep with the previous paragraph.
>
> At the book level, I have paragraph tag numbering to start over for each
> chapter, so the first time I use SectionNumber in a chapter, it is
> numbering
> correctly as Section 1, and then followed by Section 2, etc.
>
>
>
> For my TOC, I have selected the requisite tags, including ChapterTitle and
> SectionTitle.
>
> 1.  For my ChapterTitleTOC tag, here is the format:  Chapter
> <$chapnum>:
> <$paratext>. . . . .<$pagenum> and I get the following output for example:
> Chapter 1: Wiggle the Widget. . . . . . 17.
>
>
>
> I need to set up an analogous SectionTitleTOC tag : Section 1: Section
> Title
> contents, Section 2: Section Title contents, etc., and I guess I am missing
> the boat on this one. I can go through all the iterations that I have
> tried,
> but no matter what I try, I wind up with the following:
>
>
>
> Section:  .
>
>
>
> I cannot get the section number to show up after the word "Section" like I
> can for ChapterTitle. I am sure it's because the <$chapnum> is a book-level
> variable vs. paragraph tag numbering for SectionNumber, but I am at a loss
> to understand any further.  If any of you gurus out there can point me to
> what I am doing wrong, and provide some insight, I would be most
> appreciative. I had this working ages ago in another manual, but that
> manual
> is no longer in my possession, so I can't refer to it for clarification.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[tammyvb]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, I am not trying to recalculate
autonumbering in the generated TOC. I am indeed trying to extract the number
from the paragraph tag, and I think that is the crux of the matter.
SectionNumber is an auto-numbered tag used within a chapter file whereas the
tag that immediately follows, SectionTitle, is not auto-numbered. The
numbering is not at the file level such as with $Chapnum, so I am probably
trying to mix apples and oranges (for lack of a better metaphor). . . trying
to extract a paragraph number from one tag and get it assigned to another
tag when generating the TOC. I swear I had done this successfully before,
but for the life of me, I can't figure out how I did it. . . . I have punted
for now and did a little kludging to the SectionTitle paragraph tag to get
the number to pop in the TOC.  It isn't elegant, but it works.

Thanks!

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
www.spectrumwritingllc.com

-Original Message-
From: Framers
 On
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 5:43 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

Hi, Tammy:

The first thing that comes to my senior FM'ers mind is that your TOC formats
might be failing because perhaps your scheme is trying to recalculate
autonumbering in the generated TOC, instead of simply extracting the
numbering from the chapter file paragraphs.

I've always been a little worse at trying to debug someone else's
problematic autonumbering, than at debugging my own. That's when I referred
to various postings and examples. So, I tried a search for "examples of
framemaker book autonumbering" and found plenty of old familiar stuff. If
you haven't tried it, see if there are any useful memory triggers in the
search results.

HTH


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 5:27 PM  wrote:

> OK,
>
>
>
> Please have pity on my senior mind. It's been sooo long 
> since I have had to set certain formats up from scratch in Framemaker, 
> that I am just going bonkers trying to remember how I did something 
> before. Here's my current conundrum:
>
>
>
> On the first page of each chapter, I have the following tags:
>
> 1.  ChapterNumber, with the numbering set to N:Chapter <$chapnum>. At
> the book level, I set Chapter Numbering to 1 for the first chapter in 
> the book, and Continue numbering from previous chapter for all 
> subsequent chapters. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  ChapterTitle, which immediately follows ChapterNumber, and is set
> to
> Keep with Previous Paragraph.
>
>
>
>
>
> In each of my chapters in a book, I have Sections. The Sections are 
> denoted with a special master page layout that is different from the 
> first page of the chapter. On this page, I use several paragraph tags 
> including the
> following:
>
> 1.  Section Number, with the numbering set to the following: S:Section
> . The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  Section Title. This is the tag that immediately follows
> SectionNumber. This tag is set to keep with the previous paragraph.
>
> At the book level, I have paragraph tag numbering to start over for 
> each chapter, so the first time I use SectionNumber in a chapter, it 
> is numbering correctly as Section 1, and then followed by Section 2, 
> etc.
>
>
>
> For my TOC, I have selected the requisite tags, including ChapterTitle 
> and SectionTitle.
>
> 1.  For my ChapterTitleTOC tag, here is the format:  Chapter
> <$chapnum>:
> <$paratext>. . . . .<$pagenum> and I get the following output for example:
> Chapter 1: Wiggle the Widget. . . . . . 17.
>
>
>
> I need to set up an analogous SectionTitleTOC tag : Section 1: Section 
> Title contents, Section 2: Section Title contents, etc., and I guess I 
> am missing the boat on this one. I can go through all the iterations 
> that I have tried, but no matter what I try, I wind up with the 
> following:
>
>
>
> Section:  .
>
>
>
> I cannot get the section number to show up after the word "Section" 
> like I can for ChapterTitle. I am sure it's because the <$chapnum> is 
> a book-level variable vs. paragraph tag numbering for SectionNumber, 
> but I am at a loss to understand any further.  If any of you gurus out 
> there can point me to what I am doing wrong, and provide some insight, 
> I would be most appreciative. I had this working ages ago in another 
> manual, but that manual is no longer in my possession, so I can't 
> refer to it for clarification.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Ta

Re: [Framers] [External] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Gerard Conklin]

Tammy,
FrameMaker uses the building block <$sectionnum> to number the section. I
am wondering what the reference page shows for the TOC list. If you see the
actions listed but not populating properly, you will likely have to edit
the Reference Page to emulate the format for the Chapter TOC entry. Go to
View>Reference Pages (it is toward the bottom of the menu).

You will see something that looks like this:

openXmlElementId <$relfilename>:<$UniqueXmlElementId>
<$RelativeXmlElementId>
openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId>
<$paratext> <$chapnum>-<$pagenum>
<$paratext> <$sectionnum>-<$pagenum>

Each of the <$paratext> lines references either the chapters or sections as
you perhaps set up to include in the TOC list. You may have to edit the
line for the Sections to get it to populate correctly and you may have to
add tabs to the TOC paragraphs to get them to carry the dotted leader line
from the text to the Page Number. Remember that you have to Update the book
after making any edits to the Reference page. It may take a few updates
before it is behaving correctly for you.

Good luck.

*Sincerely,*

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Products** | Mission Systems*

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 6:28 PM  wrote:

> OK,
>
>
>
> Please have pity on my senior mind. It's been sooo long since I
> have had to set certain formats up from scratch in Framemaker, that I am
> just going bonkers trying to remember how I did something before. Here's my
> current conundrum:
>
>
>
> On the first page of each chapter, I have the following tags:
>
> 1.  ChapterNumber, with the numbering set to N:Chapter <$chapnum>. At
> the book level, I set Chapter Numbering to 1 for the first chapter in the
> book, and Continue numbering from previous chapter for all subsequent
> chapters. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  ChapterTitle, which immediately follows ChapterNumber, and is set
> to
> Keep with Previous Paragraph.
>
>
>
>
>
> In each of my chapters in a book, I have Sections. The Sections are denoted
> with a special master page layout that is different from the first page of
> the chapter. On this page, I use several paragraph tags including the
> following:
>
> 1.  Section Number, with the numbering set to the following: S:Section
> . The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  Section Title. This is the tag that immediately follows
> SectionNumber. This tag is set to keep with the previous paragraph.
>
> At the book level, I have paragraph tag numbering to start over for each
> chapter, so the first time I use SectionNumber in a chapter, it is
> numbering
> correctly as Section 1, and then followed by Section 2, etc.
>
>
>
> For my TOC, I have selected the requisite tags, including ChapterTitle and
> SectionTitle.
>
> 1.  For my ChapterTitleTOC tag, here is the format:  Chapter
> <$chapnum>:
> <$paratext>. . . . .<$pagenum> and I get the following output for example:
> Chapter 1: Wiggle the Widget. . . . . . 17.
>
>
>
> I need to set up an analogous SectionTitleTOC tag : Section 1: Section
> Title
> contents, Section 2: Section Title contents, etc., and I guess I am missing
> the boat on this one. I can go through all the iterations that I have
> tried,
> but no matter what I try, I wind up with the following:
>
>
>
> Section:  .
>
>
>
> I cannot get the section number to show up after the word "Section" like I
> can for ChapterTitle. I am sure it's because the <$chapnum> is a book-level
> variable vs. paragraph tag numbering for SectionNumber, but I am at a loss
> to understand any further.  If any of you gurus out there can point me to
> what I am doing wrong, and provide some insight, I would be most
> appreciative. I had this working ages ago in another manual, but that
> manual
> is no longer in my possession, so I can't refer to it for clarification.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Tammy:

The first thing that comes to my senior FM'ers mind is that your TOC
formats might be failing because perhaps your scheme is trying to
recalculate autonumbering in the generated TOC, instead of simply
extracting the numbering from the chapter file paragraphs.

I've always been a little worse at trying to debug someone else's
problematic autonumbering, than at debugging my own. That's when I referred
to various postings and examples. So, I tried a search for "examples of
framemaker book autonumbering" and found plenty of old familiar stuff. If
you haven't tried it, see if there are any useful memory triggers in the
search results.

HTH


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 5:27 PM  wrote:

> OK,
>
>
>
> Please have pity on my senior mind. It's been sooo long since I
> have had to set certain formats up from scratch in Framemaker, that I am
> just going bonkers trying to remember how I did something before. Here's my
> current conundrum:
>
>
>
> On the first page of each chapter, I have the following tags:
>
> 1.  ChapterNumber, with the numbering set to N:Chapter <$chapnum>. At
> the book level, I set Chapter Numbering to 1 for the first chapter in the
> book, and Continue numbering from previous chapter for all subsequent
> chapters. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  ChapterTitle, which immediately follows ChapterNumber, and is set
> to
> Keep with Previous Paragraph.
>
>
>
>
>
> In each of my chapters in a book, I have Sections. The Sections are denoted
> with a special master page layout that is different from the first page of
> the chapter. On this page, I use several paragraph tags including the
> following:
>
> 1.  Section Number, with the numbering set to the following: S:Section
> . The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
> 2.  Section Title. This is the tag that immediately follows
> SectionNumber. This tag is set to keep with the previous paragraph.
>
> At the book level, I have paragraph tag numbering to start over for each
> chapter, so the first time I use SectionNumber in a chapter, it is
> numbering
> correctly as Section 1, and then followed by Section 2, etc.
>
>
>
> For my TOC, I have selected the requisite tags, including ChapterTitle and
> SectionTitle.
>
> 1.  For my ChapterTitleTOC tag, here is the format:  Chapter
> <$chapnum>:
> <$paratext>. . . . .<$pagenum> and I get the following output for example:
> Chapter 1: Wiggle the Widget. . . . . . 17.
>
>
>
> I need to set up an analogous SectionTitleTOC tag : Section 1: Section
> Title
> contents, Section 2: Section Title contents, etc., and I guess I am missing
> the boat on this one. I can go through all the iterations that I have
> tried,
> but no matter what I try, I wind up with the following:
>
>
>
> Section:  .
>
>
>
> I cannot get the section number to show up after the word "Section" like I
> can for ChapterTitle. I am sure it's because the <$chapnum> is a book-level
> variable vs. paragraph tag numbering for SectionNumber, but I am at a loss
> to understand any further.  If any of you gurus out there can point me to
> what I am doing wrong, and provide some insight, I would be most
> appreciative. I had this working ages ago in another manual, but that
> manual
> is no longer in my possession, so I can't refer to it for clarification.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>
>
>
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[Framers] Help with setting up a paragraph tag in the TOC

[tammyvb]

OK, 

 

Please have pity on my senior mind. It's been sooo long since I
have had to set certain formats up from scratch in Framemaker, that I am
just going bonkers trying to remember how I did something before. Here's my
current conundrum:

 

On the first page of each chapter, I have the following tags: 

1.  ChapterNumber, with the numbering set to N:Chapter <$chapnum>. At
the book level, I set Chapter Numbering to 1 for the first chapter in the
book, and Continue numbering from previous chapter for all subsequent
chapters. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
2.  ChapterTitle, which immediately follows ChapterNumber, and is set to
Keep with Previous Paragraph.

 

 

In each of my chapters in a book, I have Sections. The Sections are denoted
with a special master page layout that is different from the first page of
the chapter. On this page, I use several paragraph tags including the
following:

1.  Section Number, with the numbering set to the following: S:Section
. The tag is set to start at the top of a page.
2.  Section Title. This is the tag that immediately follows
SectionNumber. This tag is set to keep with the previous paragraph.

At the book level, I have paragraph tag numbering to start over for each
chapter, so the first time I use SectionNumber in a chapter, it is numbering
correctly as Section 1, and then followed by Section 2, etc. 

 

For my TOC, I have selected the requisite tags, including ChapterTitle and
SectionTitle. 

1.  For my ChapterTitleTOC tag, here is the format:  Chapter <$chapnum>:
<$paratext>. . . . .<$pagenum> and I get the following output for example:
Chapter 1: Wiggle the Widget. . . . . . 17.

 

I need to set up an analogous SectionTitleTOC tag : Section 1: Section Title
contents, Section 2: Section Title contents, etc., and I guess I am missing
the boat on this one. I can go through all the iterations that I have tried,
but no matter what I try, I wind up with the following:

 

Section:  . 

 

I cannot get the section number to show up after the word "Section" like I
can for ChapterTitle. I am sure it's because the <$chapnum> is a book-level
variable vs. paragraph tag numbering for SectionNumber, but I am at a loss
to understand any further.  If any of you gurus out there can point me to
what I am doing wrong, and provide some insight, I would be most
appreciative. I had this working ages ago in another manual, but that manual
is no longer in my possession, so I can't refer to it for clarification.

 

TIA,

 

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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[Framers] dita Oxygen help

[leipold]

Hi Framers, Sorry for the cross post, but I am hoping some of the FrameMaker 
Dita gurus also have experience with DITA in Oxygen XML Editor. I have run into 
some issues and need some consulting help. Can anyone help? Thanks, DebbiSent 
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Re: [Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015

[Klaus Daube]

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:59 PM Fred Ridder  wrote:
> The ampersand is a reserved character in both HTML and XML. 

There are other dangerous characters for file names. 
Since FM-15 with its new PDFL machine to generate PDF the following characters 
let 
the generated pdf disappear in the last moment: # % & ; [ ]

See https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-7721

Klaus
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Re: [Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015

[Caroline Tabach]

My file names are usually with no spaces and no punctuation, from old
Mif2Go days, which could not cope with anything like that.

It was just the folder name, and such a strange and unconnected problem
that resulted.

Well, I won't make that mistake again.

Caroline Tabach

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020, 22:21 ,  wrote:

> Fred did a great job of explaining why the ampersand (and some other
> characters) can create problems.
>
> On a side note, a few years back, I had a client's files that I was
> creating
> an EPUB from and it would error out after a while. Drove me crazy for a
> while until I realized that they used periods in their file names. For
> example: "Chap1 File Name.new.fm".
>
> Renamed all the files in the book and it went to EPUB without issue.
>
> Moral of the story--keep the file names simple. You don't to go back to the
> 8.3 DOS days, but don't go crazy with punctuation. I pretty much stay with
> underscores and sometimes hyphens.
>
> Dave Creamer
> IDEAS Training
>
> -Original Message-
> I solved this issue
> See post on Adobe Forum
>
>
> https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/minitoc-disappers-from-html5-help-
> in-frame-2015/m-p/10988708?page=1#M65393
> <https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/minitoc-disappers-from-html5-help-in-frame-2015/m-p/10988708?page=1#M65393>
>
> If anyone has any idea why this should have happened it would be good to
> know
>
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Re: [Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015

[ideaslists]

Fred did a great job of explaining why the ampersand (and some other
characters) can create problems.

On a side note, a few years back, I had a client's files that I was creating
an EPUB from and it would error out after a while. Drove me crazy for a
while until I realized that they used periods in their file names. For
example: "Chap1 File Name.new.fm".

Renamed all the files in the book and it went to EPUB without issue.

Moral of the story--keep the file names simple. You don't to go back to the
8.3 DOS days, but don't go crazy with punctuation. I pretty much stay with
underscores and sometimes hyphens.

Dave Creamer
IDEAS Training

-Original Message-
I solved this issue
See post on Adobe Forum

https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/minitoc-disappers-from-html5-help-
in-frame-2015/m-p/10988708?page=1#M65393

If anyone has any idea why this should have happened it would be good to
know


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Re: [Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015

[Caroline Tabach]

Thanks

But funny how it just broke one thing

At least i solved it

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:59 PM Fred Ridder  wrote:

> The ampersand is a reserved character in both HTML and XML.  The character
> is used to delimit the markup string for characters that cannot be typed
> directly.  In HTML and XML, a literal ampersand must be typed as the
> character entity string
> 
> which itself uses the ampersand as a delimiter.
> The other characters to avoid in path/file names that need to work in HTML
> are less than (  ), greater than (  ), quotation mark (  ) ,
> and apostrophe (  ).  All of these characters are reserved in both
> HTML and XML because they have defined uses as markup syntax delimiters.
>
> -FR
>
> 
> From: Framers 
> on behalf of Caroline Tabach 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:32 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015
>
> I solved this issue
> See post on Adobe Forum
>
>
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.adobe.com%2Ft5%2Fframemaker%2Fminitoc-disappers-from-html5-help-in-frame-2015%2Fm-p%2F10988708%3Fpage%3D1%23M65393data=02%7C01%7C%7C91736f9e31c641e0659008d7cb301fa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637201279849255278sdata=JDDruDR8ORBq2PrK4KpY2ZcFv4HyfJ6aYY%2F%2FyYxD71g%3Dreserved=0
>
>
> If anyone has any idea why this should have happened it would be good to
> know
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:56 AM Caroline Tabach <
> caroline.tab...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This worked last week and does not work now
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Hope you are all keeping well and safe,
> >
> >
> > I hit a problem.
> >
> >
> > I had a MiniToc that provided hyperlinks at the beginning of each main
> > topic in the help file.
> >
> >
> > It was fine for the past year, and then something stopped working.
> > Nothing was updated or changed in my system as far as I know.
> >
> >
> > But suddenly, the MiniToc from the Frame doc does not appear in the HTML5
> > help file.
> >
> >
> >
> > It does have a help condition. In the Frame file when I apply the
> > condition it appears, but it does not appear in the Help file that I
> > create.  I cannot find anywhere a definition that says the MiniToc should
> > not appear in the resulting Help file.
> >
> >
> >
> > This all worked very well for the last year, but suddenly does not work
> > well today and I cannot work out what could have changed.
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea what I can do?  Or how to solve this?
> >
> >
> > Thanks very much
> >
> > --
> > Caroline Tabach
> > Technical/Marcom Writer
> > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
> >
>
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015

[Fred Ridder]

The ampersand is a reserved character in both HTML and XML.  The character is 
used to delimit the markup string for characters that cannot be typed directly. 
 In HTML and XML, a literal ampersand must be typed as the character entity 
string

which itself uses the ampersand as a delimiter.
The other characters to avoid in path/file names that need to work in HTML are 
less than (  ), greater than (  ), quotation mark (  ) , and 
apostrophe (  ).  All of these characters are reserved in both HTML and 
XML because they have defined uses as markup syntax delimiters.

-FR


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Caroline Tabach 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:32 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015

I solved this issue
See post on Adobe Forum

https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.adobe.com%2Ft5%2Fframemaker%2Fminitoc-disappers-from-html5-help-in-frame-2015%2Fm-p%2F10988708%3Fpage%3D1%23M65393data=02%7C01%7C%7C91736f9e31c641e0659008d7cb301fa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637201279849255278sdata=JDDruDR8ORBq2PrK4KpY2ZcFv4HyfJ6aYY%2F%2FyYxD71g%3Dreserved=0


If anyone has any idea why this should have happened it would be good to
know

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:56 AM Caroline Tabach 
wrote:

> This worked last week and does not work now
>
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Hope you are all keeping well and safe,
>
>
> I hit a problem.
>
>
> I had a MiniToc that provided hyperlinks at the beginning of each main
> topic in the help file.
>
>
> It was fine for the past year, and then something stopped working.
> Nothing was updated or changed in my system as far as I know.
>
>
> But suddenly, the MiniToc from the Frame doc does not appear in the HTML5
> help file.
>
>
>
> It does have a help condition. In the Frame file when I apply the
> condition it appears, but it does not appear in the Help file that I
> create.  I cannot find anywhere a definition that says the MiniToc should
> not appear in the resulting Help file.
>
>
>
> This all worked very well for the last year, but suddenly does not work
> well today and I cannot work out what could have changed.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what I can do?  Or how to solve this?
>
>
> Thanks very much
>
> --
> Caroline Tabach
> Technical/Marcom Writer
> e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
>


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Re: [Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015

[Caroline Tabach]

I solved this issue
See post on Adobe Forum

https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/minitoc-disappers-from-html5-help-in-frame-2015/m-p/10988708?page=1#M65393


If anyone has any idea why this should have happened it would be good to
know

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:56 AM Caroline Tabach 
wrote:

> This worked last week and does not work now
>
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Hope you are all keeping well and safe,
>
>
> I hit a problem.
>
>
> I had a MiniToc that provided hyperlinks at the beginning of each main
> topic in the help file.
>
>
> It was fine for the past year, and then something stopped working.
> Nothing was updated or changed in my system as far as I know.
>
>
> But suddenly, the MiniToc from the Frame doc does not appear in the HTML5
> help file.
>
>
>
> It does have a help condition. In the Frame file when I apply the
> condition it appears, but it does not appear in the Help file that I
> create.  I cannot find anywhere a definition that says the MiniToc should
> not appear in the resulting Help file.
>
>
>
> This all worked very well for the last year, but suddenly does not work
> well today and I cannot work out what could have changed.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what I can do?  Or how to solve this?
>
>
> Thanks very much
>
> --
> Caroline Tabach
> Technical/Marcom Writer
> e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
>


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Re: [Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015

[Caroline Tabach]

Addition.
I tried to make help from an old set of files, and it worked.

The latest version of my files do not.

What could have changed?

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:56 AM Caroline Tabach 
wrote:

> This worked last week and does not work now
>
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Hope you are all keeping well and safe,
>
>
> I hit a problem.
>
>
> I had a MiniToc that provided hyperlinks at the beginning of each main
> topic in the help file.
>
>
> It was fine for the past year, and then something stopped working.
> Nothing was updated or changed in my system as far as I know.
>
>
> But suddenly, the MiniToc from the Frame doc does not appear in the HTML5
> help file.
>
>
>
> It does have a help condition. In the Frame file when I apply the
> condition it appears, but it does not appear in the Help file that I
> create.  I cannot find anywhere a definition that says the MiniToc should
> not appear in the resulting Help file.
>
>
>
> This all worked very well for the last year, but suddenly does not work
> well today and I cannot work out what could have changed.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what I can do?  Or how to solve this?
>
>
> Thanks very much
>
> --
> Caroline Tabach
> Technical/Marcom Writer
> e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
>


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[Framers] MiniToc Disappers from HTML5 Help in Frame 2015

[Caroline Tabach]

This worked last week and does not work now




Hello everyone,

Hope you are all keeping well and safe,


I hit a problem.


I had a MiniToc that provided hyperlinks at the beginning of each main
topic in the help file.


It was fine for the past year, and then something stopped working.  Nothing
was updated or changed in my system as far as I know.


But suddenly, the MiniToc from the Frame doc does not appear in the HTML5
help file.



It does have a help condition. In the Frame file when I apply the condition
it appears, but it does not appear in the Help file that I create.  I
cannot find anywhere a definition that says the MiniToc should not appear
in the resulting Help file.



This all worked very well for the last year, but suddenly does not work
well today and I cannot work out what could have changed.

Does anyone have any idea what I can do?  Or how to solve this?


Thanks very much

-- 
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Technical/Marcom Writer
e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
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[Framers] OT: Any non-profit orgs looking for Framemaker help?

[Carol J. Elkins]

Good morning Framers. I am looking for non-profit organizations that 
have volunteer opportunities available for Framemaker users. Please 
contact me off-list.


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Re: [Framers] 404 Behavior in Context Sensitive Help from Frame

[Robert Lauriston]

What does the context-sensitive help call look like in the application?

The RoboHelp doc has a lot more information on that stuff than I can
find in FM's doc:

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/index.html#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:13 AM Art Campbell  wrote:
>
> We're developing context sensitive HTML5 help for a project using Publish
> from FM 2017, and have most of the first round integration and
> troubleshooting done.
>
> The problem: When a topic is called from the application, but turns out to
> be not found, the first page of the book/help is displayed, which isn't a
> lot of help to anyone.
>
> Is there a way to remap this behavior within Frame, the mapping table, or
> the application so that a Topic Not Found page or message, and/or the
> search tool is displayed?
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[Framers] 404 Behavior in Context Sensitive Help from Frame

[Art Campbell]

We're developing context sensitive HTML5 help for a project using Publish
from FM 2017, and have most of the first round integration and
troubleshooting done.

The problem: When a topic is called from the application, but turns out to
be not found, the first page of the book/help is displayed, which isn't a
lot of help to anyone.

Is there a way to remap this behavior within Frame, the mapping table, or
the application so that a Topic Not Found page or message, and/or the
search tool is displayed?

Thanks!
Art Campbell
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[Framers] Help Wanted -- FrameMaker Project

[Ken Poshedly]

To all,

After 18 years of serving as editor and publisher of a quarterly astronomy 
journal as a hobby ("pro bono"), I've decided to pass it on to others within 
the parent organization to produce. The organization consists of just under 400 
professional and serious other astronomers worldwide who are involved with 
Earth-based solar system observations. Astronomy has been my biggest outside 
interest since I was a youngster in the early 1960s. But now I wish to enjoy 
the hobby more by getting out with my own scopes and other paraphernalia to 
enjoy the night skies with others. Plus, I'm pushing age 70 in a few months.

In my position, I received and proofread the science papers after they were 
already peer-reviewed for correctness by subject matter experts, then used 
FrameMaker to perform the usual electronic layout and produce the journal 
itself as two different pdf files (one for placement on the organization's ftp 
site for downloading by the membership and another -- much larger -- pdf file 
for transmittal to an outside firm that prints and distributes the hard copy 
version).

While I have secured another member of the organization to serve as editor, 
there is no one within the organization to do the production (that is, 
FrameMaker) side of things. Thus, I'm asking here if any of you would consider 
this position. 

First, knowledge about astronomy is NOT required. Second, we are prepared to 
pay a reasonable fee.

As stated above, the journal is released quarterly, with the first issue under 
the new personnel not due until December of this year.

Please contact me directly off-list so as not to clutter up things here. I will 
be glad to go into whatever excruciating detail interested persons want at that 
time and will be glad to direct them to the online location where the entire 
library of these journals can be found for their reference.
In case my email address doesn't show up correctly in the header of this email, 
I'm at poshe...@bellsouth.net

-- Ken in Atlanta





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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Robert Lauriston]

If you're going to be publishing both PDF and online help, that's what I'd do.

The developers should let you know when they add a new context ID. If
they neglect to, when you notice a new ? button in the UI you can ask
them.

Again, be sure when the help call encounters an unmapped context IDs
it opens a default page.

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:51 AM Art Campbell  wrote:
>
> So, based on Caroline's and Robert's info and contributions, and  thoughts
> from everyone else, I'm going to reccommend that our starting point for a
> coding spec be the Frame-to-RoboHelp workflow, with us, doc, retaining
> control of the map file. TBD is how the coders would inform us / update
> with new hooks on the code side.
>
> Does that sound reasonable to y'all? After we do a couple projects, we will
> revisit and tune.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Art Campbell]

So, based on Caroline's and Robert's info and contributions, and  thoughts
from everyone else, I'm going to reccommend that our starting point for a
coding spec be the Frame-to-RoboHelp workflow, with us, doc, retaining
control of the map file. TBD is how the coders would inform us / update
with new hooks on the code side.

Does that sound reasonable to y'all? After we do a couple projects, we will
revisit and tune.



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a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:24 PM Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> The Using FrameMaker topic says it creates a "sample" map file which
> you can use "as a reference to create your map file." What does that
> mean?
>
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
>
> It doesn't sound like it handles updates the way RoboHelp does.
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:02 AM Caroline Tabach
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > In the link you sent, it says that the FrameMaker publish procedure
> creates
> > a sample h file.
> >
> > And it does indeed.
> >
> > Unfortunately, as you noted, creating HTML 5 help is not documented well
> > enough in the Frame help.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Caroline Tabach
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2019, 22:20 Robert Lauriston, 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Caroline said via email that FrameMaker does generate the map file
> > > automatically. Is that true? The documentation explicitly says you
> > > must create it with a text editor:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:13 PM Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map
> > > > file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in
> > > > a text editor invites human error.
> > > >
> > > > The FrameMaker doc itself points to the RoboHelp "Information for
> > > > Developers" section. That's the correct way to write help calls in
> > > > applications.
> > > >
> > > > The help  calls you described in
> > > > https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2314670 are a kludge and I would
> > > > strongly recommend not doing that. At a previous job I had to rewrite
> > > > hundreds of help calls in the source code because developers used a
> > > > similar kludge, which by the time I took over the project a few years
> > > > later had resulted in many broken links.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston,  >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe
> Technical
> > > > > > Communication Suite) is essential for publishing
> context-sensitive
> > > > > > help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the
> map
> > > > > > file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston <
> > > rob...@lauriston.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume y

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Robert Lauriston]

The Using FrameMaker topic says it creates a "sample" map file which
you can use "as a reference to create your map file." What does that
mean?

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html

It doesn't sound like it handles updates the way RoboHelp does.

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:02 AM Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> In the link you sent, it says that the FrameMaker publish procedure creates
> a sample h file.
>
> And it does indeed.
>
> Unfortunately, as you noted, creating HTML 5 help is not documented well
> enough in the Frame help.
>
>
>
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2019, 22:20 Robert Lauriston,  wrote:
>
> > Caroline said via email that FrameMaker does generate the map file
> > automatically. Is that true? The documentation explicitly says you
> > must create it with a text editor:
> >
> >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:13 PM Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map
> > > file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in
> > > a text editor invites human error.
> > >
> > > The FrameMaker doc itself points to the RoboHelp "Information for
> > > Developers" section. That's the correct way to write help calls in
> > > applications.
> > >
> > > The help  calls you described in
> > > https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2314670 are a kludge and I would
> > > strongly recommend not doing that. At a previous job I had to rewrite
> > > hundreds of help calls in the source code because developers used a
> > > similar kludge, which by the time I took over the project a few years
> > > later had resulted in many broken links.
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ...
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston, 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
> > > > > Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
> > > > > help.
> > > > >
> > > > > RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
> > > > >
> > > > > FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
> > > > > file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston <
> > rob...@lauriston.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're
> > using
> > > > > > FrameMaker.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> > > > > > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft
> > HTML
> > > > > > Help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll
> > have
> > > > > > the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose
> > WebHelp
> > > > > > over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> > > > > > markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in
> > the
> > > > > > "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> > > > > > chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > &g

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Caroline Tabach]

Hi

In the link you sent, it says that the FrameMaker publish procedure creates
a sample h file.

And it does indeed.

Unfortunately, as you noted, creating HTML 5 help is not documented well
enough in the Frame help.




Caroline Tabach

On Wed, 15 May 2019, 22:20 Robert Lauriston,  wrote:

> Caroline said via email that FrameMaker does generate the map file
> automatically. Is that true? The documentation explicitly says you
> must create it with a text editor:
>
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:13 PM Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
> >
> > Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map
> > file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in
> > a text editor invites human error.
> >
> > The FrameMaker doc itself points to the RoboHelp "Information for
> > Developers" section. That's the correct way to write help calls in
> > applications.
> >
> > The help  calls you described in
> > https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2314670 are a kludge and I would
> > strongly recommend not doing that. At a previous job I had to rewrite
> > hundreds of help calls in the source code because developers used a
> > similar kludge, which by the time I took over the project a few years
> > later had resulted in many broken links.
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ...
> > >
> > > On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston, 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
> > > > Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
> > > > help.
> > > >
> > > > RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
> > > >
> > > > FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
> > > > file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're
> using
> > > > > FrameMaker.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> > > > > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft
> HTML
> > > > > Help.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll
> have
> > > > > the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose
> WebHelp
> > > > > over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> > > > > markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in
> the
> > > > > "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> > > > > chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > *** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to
> the
> > > > > developers, not vice-versa. ***
> > > > >
> > > > > You do not need a separate target topic for every application
> context.
> > > > > Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
> > > > > when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell <
> art.campb...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> &g

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Robert Lauriston]

Given that you have RoboHelp:

If this will be distributed as online help only, I'd create the doc in RoboHelp.

If you'll be single-sourcing to both online help and PDF, I strongly
recommend putting the source in FrameMaker and linking to RoboHelp.
It's a big time-saver to be able to see and fix bad page breaks while
you're editing. I couldn't find any Adobe documentation on how to link
(rather than import), so I created a sample project and a doc
explaining it:

http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip

With a significant percentage of users on phones, Responsive HTML is
most likely the output type you want.

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_layouts_la%2FGenerate_Responsive_HTML5_output-.htm

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 12:32 PM Art Campbell  wrote:
>
> Thank y'all for the help and suggestions so far!
>
> To clarify a few points:
>
>- The application is a SaS, but more on the database reporting side of
>things than providing a service
>- Some dedicated workstations will be primary user's work stations, but
>we expect a good percentage of people 30-40% to be using phones. Possibly
>tablets, but less likely.
>- We have FM 17 and will be single source authoring.
>- We have Tech Comm Suite 17, so RoboHelp is available
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Robert Lauriston]

I've generated CSH map files using various tools (standalone RoboHelp,
FrameMaker + WebWorks, FrameMaker + MIF2Go, FrameMaker + RoboHelp,
Flare, Oxygen, Scroll HTML Exporter, Paligo) and they all worked
perfectly.

They don't generate the map IDs (topic identifiers) themselves, you
write those yourself. The map number (context ID) is a UUID. Here's a
example from RoboHelp's old Salesbuilder sample project:

#define My_Pipeline1
#define Accounts2
#define Contacts3
#define Opportunities4
#define Configuration5
#define New_Account_General6
#define New_Account_Contacts7
#define New_Account_Opportunities8
#define New_Account_Market_History9
#define New_Account_News10
#define New_Contact_General11
#define New_Contact_Activities12
#define New_Contact_Notes13

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:32 AM 'Chris Despopoulos' via Writers &
Techies on Framemaker
 wrote:
>
> ... I'm not a fan of generated mapping IDs...  A table can get pretty big, 
> and you had better come up with a naming convention that makes it easy to 
> sort through all the entries.  Generated IDs probably won't suit that need.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Art Campbell]

Thank y'all for the help and suggestions so far!

To clarify a few points:

   - The application is a SaS, but more on the database reporting side of
   things than providing a service
   - Some dedicated workstations will be primary user's work stations, but
   we expect a good percentage of people 30-40% to be using phones. Possibly
   tablets, but less likely.
   - We have FM 17 and will be single source authoring.
   - We have Tech Comm Suite 17, so RoboHelp is available


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  art.campb...@gmail.com
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a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 3:20 PM Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Caroline said via email that FrameMaker does generate the map file
> automatically. Is that true? The documentation explicitly says you
> must create it with a text editor:
>
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:13 PM Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
> >
> > Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map
> > file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in
> > a text editor invites human error.
> >
> > The FrameMaker doc itself points to the RoboHelp "Information for
> > Developers" section. That's the correct way to write help calls in
> > applications.
> >
> > The help  calls you described in
> > https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2314670 are a kludge and I would
> > strongly recommend not doing that. At a previous job I had to rewrite
> > hundreds of help calls in the source code because developers used a
> > similar kludge, which by the time I took over the project a few years
> > later had resulted in many broken links.
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ...
> > >
> > > On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston, 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
> > > > Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
> > > > help.
> > > >
> > > > RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
> > > >
> > > > FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
> > > > file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're
> using
> > > > > FrameMaker.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> > > > > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft
> HTML
> > > > > Help.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll
> have
> > > > > the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose
> WebHelp
> > > > > over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> > > > > markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in
> the
> > > > > "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> > > > > chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > *** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to
> the
> > > > > developers, not vice-versa. ***
> > > > >
> 

Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Robert Lauriston]

Caroline said via email that FrameMaker does generate the map file
automatically. Is that true? The documentation explicitly says you
must create it with a text editor:

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:13 PM Robert Lauriston  wrote:
>
> Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map
> file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in
> a text editor invites human error.
>
> The FrameMaker doc itself points to the RoboHelp "Information for
> Developers" section. That's the correct way to write help calls in
> applications.
>
> The help  calls you described in
> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2314670 are a kludge and I would
> strongly recommend not doing that. At a previous job I had to rewrite
> hundreds of help calls in the source code because developers used a
> similar kludge, which by the time I took over the project a few years
> later had resulted in many broken links.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach
>  wrote:
> >
> > I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ...
> >
> > On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston,  wrote:
> >
> > > Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
> > > Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
> > > help.
> > >
> > > RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
> > >
> > > FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
> > > file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using
> > > > FrameMaker.
> > > >
> > > > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> > > > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML
> > > > Help.
> > > >
> > > > Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have
> > > > the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose WebHelp
> > > > over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
> > > >
> > > > On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> > > > markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
> > > >
> > > > On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in the
> > > > "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> > > > chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm
> > > >
> > > > *** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to the
> > > > developers, not vice-versa. ***
> > > >
> > > > You do not need a separate target topic for every application context.
> > > > Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.
> > > >
> > > > Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
> > > > when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is
> > > specced to include screen-level context sensitive help.
> > > > >
> > > > > The coders haven't done this before and are asking for
> > > help/assistance/advice on developing the coding standard for this and 
> > > other
> > > products going forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes
> > > to a mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window 
> > > or
> > > a popup.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call
> > > Help from the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices
> > > that people are already using, either on the coding or information
> > > development side.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Chris Despopoulos]

 So is this a SaaS product, or do you deliver a server as the product, and that 
server uses HTML as the GUI?
Another question... Desktop, Tablet, Phone?  All three?  If you support a 
finger device, then you can't use hovering to display tool tips -- you have to 
offer an icon to tap.
HTML GUIs make walk-throughs easier to develop.  We use bootstrap tours.  We 
also single-source our content, where certain tasks can get squeezed into these 
tours.  Our source is DITA, and we convert the task to JSON that works in the 
bootstrap tour.  We do our transforms on the fly (we ship raw DITA with the 
product), but that's just us...  You could as easily transform to JSON as part 
of the build.  

What about text actually drawn on the GUI itself?  Do you provide that content, 
or is that a specific code asset?  Labels and tooltips are often managed in a 
local-specific json file.  If you want rich text in the GUI you need a 
different way to manage that.  But once you have that, you could include links 
that open up the online help for more information -- that would be a good way 
to indicate and link to the help.  Otherwise, you need a special icon, and it 
has to be different than the tooltip icon.
For context links to help (or any other asset), indeed a mapping table is the 
way to go.  You need to own that table as a doc asset so you can freely change 
the targets of the given IDs.  A change should not require a rebuild of the 
product.  OTOH, the devs need to indicate when they add a new ID to the product 
so you can add it to the table and set up the link.  I'm not a fan of generated 
mapping IDs...  A table can get pretty big, and you had better come up with a 
naming convention that makes it easy to sort through all the entries.  
Generated IDs probably won't suit that need.  

As I said above, we transform DITA to the online help and other formats on the 
fly.  We include a service in the GUI app itself to do that.  And then the 
online help is just another app that uses the same service.  So we own the code 
that makes it all happen.  That's probably out of scope for your concerns, but 
it's how we do things.

Hope this helps... cud


On Tuesday, May 14, 2019, 4:44:00 PM GMT+2, Art Campbell 
 wrote:  
 
 My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is specced 
to include screen-level context sensitive help.
The coders haven't done this before and are asking for help/assistance/advice 
on developing the coding standard for this and other products going forward.
I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes to a 
mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window or a popup.
What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call Help from 
the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices that people are 
already using, either on the coding or information development side.
Art

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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Robert Lauriston]

Sure, it's technically possible, but automatically generating the map
file is a basic feature of help authoring tools. Doing it manually in
a text editor invites human error.

The FrameMaker doc itself points to the RoboHelp "Information for
Developers" section. That's the correct way to write help calls in
applications.

The help  calls you described in
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2314670 are a kludge and I would
strongly recommend not doing that. At a previous job I had to rewrite
hundreds of help calls in the source code because developers used a
similar kludge, which by the time I took over the project a few years
later had resulted in many broken links.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
>
> I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp. ...
>
> On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston,  wrote:
>
> > Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
> > Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
> > help.
> >
> > RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
> >
> >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
> >
> > FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
> > file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
> >
> >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using
> > > FrameMaker.
> > >
> > > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> > > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML
> > > Help.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have
> > > the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose WebHelp
> > > over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
> > >
> > > On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> > > markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
> > >
> > > On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in the
> > > "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> > > chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
> > >
> > >
> > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm
> > >
> > > *** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to the
> > > developers, not vice-versa. ***
> > >
> > > You do not need a separate target topic for every application context.
> > > Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.
> > >
> > > Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
> > > when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is
> > specced to include screen-level context sensitive help.
> > > >
> > > > The coders haven't done this before and are asking for
> > help/assistance/advice on developing the coding standard for this and other
> > products going forward.
> > > >
> > > > I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes
> > to a mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window or
> > a popup.
> > > >
> > > > What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call
> > Help from the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices
> > that people are already using, either on the coding or information
> > development side.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Caroline Tabach]

I have made context sensitive help without RoboHelp.

See links sent above.
Frame 2017

Caroline Tabach

On Tue, 14 May 2019, 20:58 Robert Lauriston,  wrote:

> Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
> Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
> help.
>
> RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:
>
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2
>
> FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
> file manually in a text editor, which is insane:
>
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
> >
> > Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using
> > FrameMaker.
> >
> > Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> > probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML
> > Help.
> >
> > Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have
> > the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose WebHelp
> > over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
> >
> > On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> > markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
> >
> > On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in the
> > "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> > chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
> >
> >
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm
> >
> > *** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to the
> > developers, not vice-versa. ***
> >
> > You do not need a separate target topic for every application context.
> > Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.
> >
> > Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
> > when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.
> >
> > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is
> specced to include screen-level context sensitive help.
> > >
> > > The coders haven't done this before and are asking for
> help/assistance/advice on developing the coding standard for this and other
> products going forward.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes
> to a mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window or
> a popup.
> > >
> > > What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call
> Help from the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices
> that people are already using, either on the coding or information
> development side.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Robert Lauriston]

Looks like having both FrameMaker and RoboHelp (i.e. Adobe Technical
Communication Suite) is essential for publishing context-sensitive
help.

RoboHelp can generate the map file from the TopicAlias markers:

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FManaging_map_files-.htm%23TOC_Export_a_map_filebc-3=_10_2_1_2

FrameMaker multi-channel publishing requires you to maintain the map
file manually in a text editor, which is insane:

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS2d2a17056e2191986533fc06144fd9afdc4-8000.html

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Lauriston  wrote:
>
> Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using
> FrameMaker.
>
> Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
> probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML
> Help.
>
> Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have
> the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose WebHelp
> over Responsive HTML. Look at both.
>
> On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
> markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.
>
> On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in the
> "Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
> chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm
>
> *** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to the
> developers, not vice-versa. ***
>
> You do not need a separate target topic for every application context.
> Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.
>
> Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
> when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell  wrote:
> >
> > My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is 
> > specced to include screen-level context sensitive help.
> >
> > The coders haven't done this before and are asking for 
> > help/assistance/advice on developing the coding standard for this and other 
> > products going forward.
> >
> > I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes to a 
> > mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window or a 
> > popup.
> >
> > What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call Help 
> > from the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices that 
> > people are already using, either on the coding or information development 
> > side.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Robert Lauriston]

Since you're posting this on the Framers list, I presume you're using
FrameMaker.

Its "multi-channel publishing" feature is a subset of RoboHelp. You
probably want to choose Responsive HTML. Do not choose Microsoft HTML
Help.

Alternatively, link the FrameMaker source to RoboHelp, and you'll have
the full RoboHelp feature set. In that case, you might choose WebHelp
over Responsive HTML. Look at both.

On the FrameMaker side, define the target topics using TopicAlias
markers. That's covered in the FrameMaker user guide.

On the app side, you can find detailed information on CSH calls in the
"Information for Developers" section of "Context-sensitive help"
chapger of the RoboHelp user guide.

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.htm

*** You want to create and maintain the map file and provide it to the
developers, not vice-versa. ***

You do not need a separate target topic for every application context.
Many application contexts can point to the same help topic.

Be sure that the developers implement a default help topic to open
when a context is unmapped or the map is wrong.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:44 AM Art Campbell  wrote:
>
> My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is specced 
> to include screen-level context sensitive help.
>
> The coders haven't done this before and are asking for help/assistance/advice 
> on developing the coding standard for this and other products going forward.
>
> I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes to a 
> mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window or a 
> popup.
>
> What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call Help from 
> the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices that people 
> are already using, either on the coding or information development side.
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Re: [Framers] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Caroline Tabach]

Hi
Please see this link on Adobe forum, and the threads it links to

https://forums.adobe.com/message/10912271#10912271

Caroline Tabach

On Tue, 14 May 2019, 19:20 Caroline Tabach, 
wrote:

> I implemented this successfully.
>
> Tomorrow I will be in the office, and be able to send you the code we
> used.
>
> It is also on the Adobe forum, if I find the link I will send it to you.
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
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Re: [Framers] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Caroline Tabach]

I implemented this successfully.

Tomorrow I will be in the office, and be able to send you the code we used.

It is also on the Adobe forum, if I find the link I will send it to you.

Caroline Tabach
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[Framers] Best Practices for HTML Online help

[Art Campbell]

My company is developing a new browser-based software package that is
specced to include screen-level context sensitive help.

The coders haven't done this before and are asking for
help/assistance/advice on developing the coding standard for this and other
products going forward.

I'm thinking the basics are the basics -- a call in the program goes to a
mapping table that invokes the HTML help screen in a new tab/window or a
popup.

What I'm looking for feedback / ideas on are a good method to call Help
from the application (icon/keystroke/widget), and any Best Practices that
people are already using, either on the coding or information development
side.

Art


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Re: [Framers] CSH HTML5 from Frame 2017 How should the Developers call the help pages

[Robert Lauriston]

Under the hood it's RoboHelp.

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/2017/robohtml/#t=book%2Frob_createhelp_ch%2FInformation_for_developers-.html

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 5:15 AM Caroline Tabach
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>
> What must I tell the programmers to call so that they get the correct help
> pages?
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Re: [Framers] CSH HTML5 from Frame 2017 How should the Developers call the help pages

[Jeff Coatsworth]

The "engine" that drives FM's publishing of HTML5 outputs (and WebHelp) are all 
RH under the hood - much like the "headless" version of Acrobat you get in FM.



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Subject: [Framers] CSH HTML5 from Frame 2017 How should the Developers call the 
help pages

I want to create CSH for HTML5 in Frame

I have Frame 2017  (no robohelp)



I have used the help, as well as the Adobe FrameMaker forum and found all
the information about this.


I saw how to add the markers, use the h file etc.

The one thing is that not clear to me



What must I tell the programmers to call so that they get the correct help
pages?



Someone wrote in one of the threads on the forum that they must use



output-path>/index.html?rhcsh=1=

 = content of corresponding TopicAlias Marker.



However, this includes robohelp code



Is this correct for someone who is only using Frame?



I have searched everywhere but not found the correct info to give the
developers. I just need this missing link and we will be ready to go.



Is anyone making CSH for HTML5 from Frame (2015/2017 upwards) only?

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[Framers] CSH HTML5 from Frame 2017 How should the Developers call the help pages

[Caroline Tabach]

I want to create CSH for HTML5 in Frame

I have Frame 2017  (no robohelp)



I have used the help, as well as the Adobe FrameMaker forum and found all
the information about this.


I saw how to add the markers, use the h file etc.

The one thing is that not clear to me



What must I tell the programmers to call so that they get the correct help
pages?



Someone wrote in one of the threads on the forum that they must use



output-path>/index.html?rhcsh=1=

 = content of corresponding TopicAlias Marker.



However, this includes robohelp code



Is this correct for someone who is only using Frame?



I have searched everywhere but not found the correct info to give the
developers. I just need this missing link and we will be ready to go.



Is anyone making CSH for HTML5 from Frame (2015/2017 upwards) only?

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Re: [Framers] Expected Size of HTML5 Help file - from your experience and knowledge

[Doug]

You might want to consider delivering a Help system that is text-only,
especially if you expect the amount of content to grow as you've said.
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Re: [Framers] Expected Size of HTML5 Help file - from your experience and knowledge

[Caroline Tabach]

Hi,
This system cannot link to graphics online. I do not think the users will
necessary have access to the internet.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Is it possible to deliver very-low resolution versions of the graphics in
> the Help that hyperlink to full-resolution versions online? This would
> depend on security policies for online connections, and whether users would
> have access to online resources, and if they need the information only
> available in higher-resolution versions.
>
> Also a search for "best methods to reduce graphics file sizes" has some
> interesting results.
>
> HTH.
>
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:40 AM Caroline Tabach  >
> wrote:
>
> > Frame 2017 (without RH)
> > Well,
> > I have partly solved the issue mentioned below.
> >
> > I wanted to make sure I only worked on relevant graphic files, so I used
> > "package" to get them. This actually reduced the size of the .png files
> for
> > some reason.
> >
> > I then used Photoshop to reduce the size of these files.
> >
> > Eventually the size of the help package was reduced to 9-10 Mb approx.
> >
> > However, the User guide/project will grow. We are talking about a user
> > guide which has nearly 300 pages, and they are adding components all
> > the time.
> >
> >
> > If you make HTML 5 help file, what is the expected size of the file, and
> is
> > there any way to make it smaller.
> >
> > How large is  a basic project?
> >
> > Does it depend on the Skin  (Working without RH).
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 3:23 AM Doug  wrote:
> >
> > > I'm surprised...15 MB is not that big at all IMO.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It came out as 15 MB
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Re: [Framers] Expected Size of HTML5 Help file - from your experience and knowledge

[Robert Lauriston]

The skin shouldn't make much difference, that's just different CSS.

Seems like SnagIt's compression is not the best, so you should use
some other tool to get maximum compression.

Are all those images really essential? Have you cropped out all
irrelevant information?

Is the 15MB limit really necessary?

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 12:40 AM Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
>
> Frame 2017 (without RH)
> Well,
> I have partly solved the issue mentioned below.
>
> I wanted to make sure I only worked on relevant graphic files, so I used
> "package" to get them. This actually reduced the size of the .png files for
> some reason.
>
> I then used Photoshop to reduce the size of these files.
>
> Eventually the size of the help package was reduced to 9-10 Mb approx.
>
> However, the User guide/project will grow. We are talking about a user
> guide which has nearly 300 pages, and they are adding components all
> the time.
>
>
> If you make HTML 5 help file, what is the expected size of the file, and is
> there any way to make it smaller.m
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Re: [Framers] Expected Size of HTML5 Help file - from your experience and knowledge

[Peter Gold]

Is it possible to deliver very-low resolution versions of the graphics in
the Help that hyperlink to full-resolution versions online? This would
depend on security policies for online connections, and whether users would
have access to online resources, and if they need the information only
available in higher-resolution versions.

Also a search for "best methods to reduce graphics file sizes" has some
interesting results.

HTH.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:40 AM Caroline Tabach 
wrote:

> Frame 2017 (without RH)
> Well,
> I have partly solved the issue mentioned below.
>
> I wanted to make sure I only worked on relevant graphic files, so I used
> "package" to get them. This actually reduced the size of the .png files for
> some reason.
>
> I then used Photoshop to reduce the size of these files.
>
> Eventually the size of the help package was reduced to 9-10 Mb approx.
>
> However, the User guide/project will grow. We are talking about a user
> guide which has nearly 300 pages, and they are adding components all
> the time.
>
>
> If you make HTML 5 help file, what is the expected size of the file, and is
> there any way to make it smaller.
>
> How large is  a basic project?
>
> Does it depend on the Skin  (Working without RH).
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 3:23 AM Doug  wrote:
>
> > I'm surprised...15 MB is not that big at all IMO.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
> > > > >
> > > > > It came out as 15 MB
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Re: [Framers] Expected Size of HTML5 Help file - from your experience and knowledge

[Caroline Tabach]

Frame 2017 (without RH)
Well,
I have partly solved the issue mentioned below.

I wanted to make sure I only worked on relevant graphic files, so I used
"package" to get them. This actually reduced the size of the .png files for
some reason.

I then used Photoshop to reduce the size of these files.

Eventually the size of the help package was reduced to 9-10 Mb approx.

However, the User guide/project will grow. We are talking about a user
guide which has nearly 300 pages, and they are adding components all
the time.


If you make HTML 5 help file, what is the expected size of the file, and is
there any way to make it smaller.

How large is  a basic project?

Does it depend on the Skin  (Working without RH).

Thanks

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 3:23 AM Doug  wrote:

> I'm surprised...15 MB is not that big at all IMO.
>
>
>
> > > > R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
> > > >
> > > > It came out as 15 MB
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Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

[Doug]

I'm surprised...15 MB is not that big at all IMO.



> > > R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
> > >
> > > It came out as 15 MB
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Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

[Robert Lauriston]

If you're cropping out the irrelevant parts, saving as PNG, and
importing by reference, then the large size is probably due to having
many, many images.

Snagit's PNG compression might not be the best. You could try running
a batch job to open and resave the PNG files with some other tool,
such as PhotoShop. Experiment on one file first to see if it reduces
the size.

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:20 AM Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
>
> Well, after investigation, some of these files are not so small after all.
>
> If I use Snagit, how should I be taking screen caps to get them smallest
> size, for the future.
>
> How can I reduce the size of the current screens?
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Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

[Caroline Tabach]

Well, after investigation, some of these files are not so small after all.

If I use Snagit, how should I be taking screen caps to get them smallest
size, for the future.

How can I reduce the size of the current screens?

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 בדצמ׳ 2018, 7:00, מאת Caroline Tabach <
caroline.tab...@gmail.com>:

> Tiny png files imported by reference.
>
> As I mentioned now, not 1 help file, but the package delivered to R
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
> בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 בדצמ׳ 2018, 0:34, מאת Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com>:
>
>> What format are the screen captures? They should be PNG and imported
>> by reference.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:20 AM Caroline Tabach
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
>> >
>> > It came out as 15 MB
>> >
>> > Currently I have included the screen captures in the help.
>> >
>> > I made a new version without most of the screen captures, and it is much
>> > smaller.
>> >
>> > 1. Do you show the screen captures in help files?
>> > 2. Are there any settings in the Frame publisher that can themselves
>> > compress the graphics used in the help file (instead of removing them
>> all)
>> > 3.  Can you make screen caps as thumbnails?
>> > 4. Has anyone else encountered this issue, and have any insights?
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Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

[Caroline Tabach]

Tiny png files imported by reference.

As I mentioned now, not 1 help file, but the package delivered to R

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 בדצמ׳ 2018, 0:34, מאת Robert Lauriston <
rob...@lauriston.com>:

> What format are the screen captures? They should be PNG and imported
> by reference.
>
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:20 AM Caroline Tabach
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
> >
> > It came out as 15 MB
> >
> > Currently I have included the screen captures in the help.
> >
> > I made a new version without most of the screen captures, and it is much
> > smaller.
> >
> > 1. Do you show the screen captures in help files?
> > 2. Are there any settings in the Frame publisher that can themselves
> > compress the graphics used in the help file (instead of removing them
> all)
> > 3.  Can you make screen caps as thumbnails?
> > 4. Has anyone else encountered this issue, and have any insights?
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Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

[Caroline Tabach]

I meant the size of the folder of the complete help package

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 בדצמ׳ 2018, 2:00, מאת Doug :

> I don't understand.  When I make HTML5 Help, it makes dozens of files, not
> just a single file.
>
> Doug
>
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 9:12 AM Caroline Tabach  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
> >
> > It came out as 15 MB
> >
> > Currently I have included the screen captures in the help.
> >
> > I made a new version without most of the screen captures, and it is much
> > smaller.
> >
> > 1. Do you show the screen captures in help files?
> > 2. Are there any settings in the Frame publisher that can themselves
> > compress the graphics used in the help file (instead of removing them
> all)
> > 3.  Can you make screen caps as thumbnails?
> > 4. Has anyone else encountered this issue, and have any insights?
> >
> > -- thanks
> >
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> > Technical/Marcom Writer
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Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

[Doug]

I don't understand.  When I make HTML5 Help, it makes dozens of files, not
just a single file.

Doug

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 9:12 AM Caroline Tabach 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
>
> It came out as 15 MB
>
> Currently I have included the screen captures in the help.
>
> I made a new version without most of the screen captures, and it is much
> smaller.
>
> 1. Do you show the screen captures in help files?
> 2. Are there any settings in the Frame publisher that can themselves
> compress the graphics used in the help file (instead of removing them all)
> 3.  Can you make screen caps as thumbnails?
> 4. Has anyone else encountered this issue, and have any insights?
>
> -- thanks
>
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Re: [Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

[Robert Lauriston]

What format are the screen captures? They should be PNG and imported
by reference.

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:20 AM Caroline Tabach
 wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.
>
> It came out as 15 MB
>
> Currently I have included the screen captures in the help.
>
> I made a new version without most of the screen captures, and it is much
> smaller.
>
> 1. Do you show the screen captures in help files?
> 2. Are there any settings in the Frame publisher that can themselves
> compress the graphics used in the help file (instead of removing them all)
> 3.  Can you make screen caps as thumbnails?
> 4. Has anyone else encountered this issue, and have any insights?
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[Framers] Size of HTML5 Help file - how to reduce

[Caroline Tabach]

Hi

R told me that the HTML 5 help file that I made is too big.

It came out as 15 MB

Currently I have included the screen captures in the help.

I made a new version without most of the screen captures, and it is much
smaller.

1. Do you show the screen captures in help files?
2. Are there any settings in the Frame publisher that can themselves
compress the graphics used in the help file (instead of removing them all)
3.  Can you make screen caps as thumbnails?
4. Has anyone else encountered this issue, and have any insights?

-- thanks

Caroline Tabach
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Re: [Framers] Graphics in help move when conditional

[Caroline Tabach]

Doug
Thanks very much for the info about setting the anchored frame.

That fixed the issue.

Caroline Tabach


בתאריך יום ג׳, 11 בדצמ׳ 2018, 17:15, מאת Doug :

> Caroline,
>
> When I set my AF to Below Current Line > Left, they always display left
> aligned in my HTML5.
>
> You might check your Image Settings in your Publisher ( File > Publish >
> Change Settings button > Edit > Style Mapping > Image Settings ).  Your
> Margin settings might not be set to zero.
>
> Doug
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 8:00 AM Caroline Tabach  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Frame 2017
> > publishing to HTML 5
> >
> > graphics are in anchored frame in a left justified format
> >
> > In one chapter some of the graphics are in conditional text.
> > These graphics are centered in the help file, even though i have the same
> > format etc
> >
> > Any idea why or how this can be fixed?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > --
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> > Technical/Marcom Writer
> > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
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Re: [Framers] Graphics in help move when conditional

[Doug]

Caroline,

When I set my AF to Below Current Line > Left, they always display left
aligned in my HTML5.

You might check your Image Settings in your Publisher ( File > Publish >
Change Settings button > Edit > Style Mapping > Image Settings ).  Your
Margin settings might not be set to zero.

Doug

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 8:00 AM Caroline Tabach 
wrote:

> Hi
> Frame 2017
> publishing to HTML 5
>
> graphics are in anchored frame in a left justified format
>
> In one chapter some of the graphics are in conditional text.
> These graphics are centered in the help file, even though i have the same
> format etc
>
> Any idea why or how this can be fixed?
>
> thanks
>
> --
> Caroline Tabach
> Technical/Marcom Writer
> e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
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Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

[Caroline Tabach]

Rick,
thanks for the help.
This all worked perfectly.

(answering now since I am in a different time zone)

Who would have thought that you could use conditions on a Reference page?

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 12:00 AM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Yes, and I never thought of using this technique until you posted today,
> so thank you for the chance to discover a useful trick.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 4:29 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that
> only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??
>
> Thank you very much.
> I did not know that you could use conditions in the reference page.
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
> בתאריך יום ד׳, 17 באוק׳ 2018, 22:51, מאת Rick Quatro ‏ >:
>
> > Yes, on the MTOC reference page. If you need help, let me know.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:31 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so
> > that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??
> >
> > Make the conditions on the reference page?
> >
> > Thanks very much
> >
> > Caroline Tabach
> >
> >
> > בתאריך יום ד׳, 17 באוק׳ 2018, 17:02, מאת Rick Quatro
> > ‏ > >:
> >
> > > Hi Caroline,
> > >
> > > You need to duplicate the MTOC paragraphs on the MTOC Reference Page
> > > and assign a different condition to each set (for example, Print and
> > Web).
> > > Remove the <$pagenum> building block from the Web paragraphs. When
> > > you hide the Web condition and show the Print condition, you will
> > > get page numbers when you update the MiniTOC. When you hide the
> > > Print condition and show the Web condition, you will not get page
> > > numbers in the MiniToc. I just tested it and it seems to work fine.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > Rick Quatro
> > > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > > r...@frameexpert.com
> > > 585-729-6746 NEW!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Framers
> > > 
> > > On
> > > Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:32 AM
> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > > 
> > > Subject: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so
> > > that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??
> > >
> > > Frame 2017
> > >
> > > I have set up my system to create nice HTML 5 help, with the product
> > > look and feel.
> > >
> > > There is one thing  I am stuck with, maybe someone has the answer
> > >
> > > The PDF file has a mini-TOC for most of the chapters
> > >
> > > It is in the form of
> > > <$paranum> <$paratext> on page <$pagenum>
> > >
> > > I set this up on the reference page
> > >
> > > In the help file itself, I would like to have this Mini-TOC appear
> > > as hyperlinks on each main topic page, but without the variables of
> > > the numbering and page numbers.
> > >
> > > These elements are as I said on the reference page, and not part of
> > > the styles  (which would be easy to fix if that was the case)
> > >
> > > Yesterday I thought that using the MiniTOC in the HTMLTemplate was
> > > the answer, but when I sort of managed to make it work, I saw that
> > > it just gives a list of topics on the same page (Is that correct)?
> > >
> > > What I am looking for is how to make a  MiniTOC   from Frame appear in
> > help
> > > without the extra variables.
> > >
> > > Is this possible?
> > >
> > > Otherwise the solution, would be to have the regular  MiniTOC   not be
> > > displayed in the help file, and either have manual X-refs, or make a
> > > different  MiniTOC   for help files, with conditional text, using a
> > > different set of styles?, which would be a little unwieldy, but
> > > would work permanently.
> > >
> > > I would welcome input on this
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Caroline

Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

[Rick Quatro]

Yes, and I never thought of using this technique until you posted today, so 
thank you for the chance to discover a useful trick.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 4:29 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only 
headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

Thank you very much.
I did not know that you could use conditions in the reference page.

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ד׳, 17 באוק׳ 2018, 22:51, מאת Rick Quatro ‏:

> Yes, on the MTOC reference page. If you need help, let me know.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> 
> On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:31 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so 
> that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??
>
> Make the conditions on the reference page?
>
> Thanks very much
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
>
> בתאריך יום ד׳, 17 באוק׳ 2018, 17:02, מאת Rick Quatro 
> ‏ >:
>
> > Hi Caroline,
> >
> > You need to duplicate the MTOC paragraphs on the MTOC Reference Page 
> > and assign a different condition to each set (for example, Print and
> Web).
> > Remove the <$pagenum> building block from the Web paragraphs. When 
> > you hide the Web condition and show the Print condition, you will 
> > get page numbers when you update the MiniTOC. When you hide the 
> > Print condition and show the Web condition, you will not get page 
> > numbers in the MiniToc. I just tested it and it seems to work fine.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > r...@frameexpert.com
> > 585-729-6746 NEW!
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > On
> > Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:32 AM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so 
> > that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??
> >
> > Frame 2017
> >
> > I have set up my system to create nice HTML 5 help, with the product 
> > look and feel.
> >
> > There is one thing  I am stuck with, maybe someone has the answer
> >
> > The PDF file has a mini-TOC for most of the chapters
> >
> > It is in the form of
> > <$paranum> <$paratext> on page <$pagenum>
> >
> > I set this up on the reference page
> >
> > In the help file itself, I would like to have this Mini-TOC appear 
> > as hyperlinks on each main topic page, but without the variables of 
> > the numbering and page numbers.
> >
> > These elements are as I said on the reference page, and not part of 
> > the styles  (which would be easy to fix if that was the case)
> >
> > Yesterday I thought that using the MiniTOC in the HTMLTemplate was 
> > the answer, but when I sort of managed to make it work, I saw that 
> > it just gives a list of topics on the same page (Is that correct)?
> >
> > What I am looking for is how to make a  MiniTOC   from Frame appear in
> help
> > without the extra variables.
> >
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > Otherwise the solution, would be to have the regular  MiniTOC   not be
> > displayed in the help file, and either have manual X-refs, or make a
> > different  MiniTOC   for help files, with conditional text, using a
> > different set of styles?, which would be a little unwieldy, but 
> > would work permanently.
> >
> > I would welcome input on this
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> > --
> > Caroline Tabach
> > Technical/Marcom Writer
> > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
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Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

[Caroline Tabach]

Thank you very much.
I did not know that you could use conditions in the reference page.

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ד׳, 17 באוק׳ 2018, 22:51, מאת Rick Quatro ‏:

> Yes, on the MTOC reference page. If you need help, let me know.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:31 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that
> only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??
>
> Make the conditions on the reference page?
>
> Thanks very much
>
> Caroline Tabach
>
>
> בתאריך יום ד׳, 17 באוק׳ 2018, 17:02, מאת Rick Quatro ‏ >:
>
> > Hi Caroline,
> >
> > You need to duplicate the MTOC paragraphs on the MTOC Reference Page
> > and assign a different condition to each set (for example, Print and
> Web).
> > Remove the <$pagenum> building block from the Web paragraphs. When you
> > hide the Web condition and show the Print condition, you will get page
> > numbers when you update the MiniTOC. When you hide the Print condition
> > and show the Web condition, you will not get page numbers in the
> > MiniToc. I just tested it and it seems to work fine.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing Inc.
> > r...@frameexpert.com
> > 585-729-6746 NEW!
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > On
> > Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:32 AM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that
> > only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??
> >
> > Frame 2017
> >
> > I have set up my system to create nice HTML 5 help, with the product
> > look and feel.
> >
> > There is one thing  I am stuck with, maybe someone has the answer
> >
> > The PDF file has a mini-TOC for most of the chapters
> >
> > It is in the form of
> > <$paranum> <$paratext> on page <$pagenum>
> >
> > I set this up on the reference page
> >
> > In the help file itself, I would like to have this Mini-TOC appear as
> > hyperlinks on each main topic page, but without the variables of the
> > numbering and page numbers.
> >
> > These elements are as I said on the reference page, and not part of
> > the styles  (which would be easy to fix if that was the case)
> >
> > Yesterday I thought that using the MiniTOC in the HTMLTemplate was the
> > answer, but when I sort of managed to make it work, I saw that it just
> > gives a list of topics on the same page (Is that correct)?
> >
> > What I am looking for is how to make a  MiniTOC   from Frame appear in
> help
> > without the extra variables.
> >
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > Otherwise the solution, would be to have the regular  MiniTOC   not be
> > displayed in the help file, and either have manual X-refs, or make a
> > different  MiniTOC   for help files, with conditional text, using a
> > different set of styles?, which would be a little unwieldy, but would
> > work permanently.
> >
> > I would welcome input on this
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> > --
> > Caroline Tabach
> > Technical/Marcom Writer
> > e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
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Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

[Rick Quatro]

Yes, on the MTOC reference page. If you need help, let me know.

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 3:31 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only 
headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

Make the conditions on the reference page?

Thanks very much

Caroline Tabach


בתאריך יום ד׳, 17 באוק׳ 2018, 17:02, מאת Rick Quatro ‏:

> Hi Caroline,
>
> You need to duplicate the MTOC paragraphs on the MTOC Reference Page 
> and assign a different condition to each set (for example, Print and Web).
> Remove the <$pagenum> building block from the Web paragraphs. When you 
> hide the Web condition and show the Print condition, you will get page 
> numbers when you update the MiniTOC. When you hide the Print condition 
> and show the Web condition, you will not get page numbers in the 
> MiniToc. I just tested it and it seems to work fine.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-729-6746 NEW!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> 
> On
> Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:32 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that 
> only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??
>
> Frame 2017
>
> I have set up my system to create nice HTML 5 help, with the product 
> look and feel.
>
> There is one thing  I am stuck with, maybe someone has the answer
>
> The PDF file has a mini-TOC for most of the chapters
>
> It is in the form of
> <$paranum> <$paratext> on page <$pagenum>
>
> I set this up on the reference page
>
> In the help file itself, I would like to have this Mini-TOC appear as 
> hyperlinks on each main topic page, but without the variables of the 
> numbering and page numbers.
>
> These elements are as I said on the reference page, and not part of 
> the styles  (which would be easy to fix if that was the case)
>
> Yesterday I thought that using the MiniTOC in the HTMLTemplate was the 
> answer, but when I sort of managed to make it work, I saw that it just 
> gives a list of topics on the same page (Is that correct)?
>
> What I am looking for is how to make a  MiniTOC   from Frame appear in help
> without the extra variables.
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Otherwise the solution, would be to have the regular  MiniTOC   not be
> displayed in the help file, and either have manual X-refs, or make a
> different  MiniTOC   for help files, with conditional text, using a
> different set of styles?, which would be a little unwieldy, but would 
> work permanently.
>
> I would welcome input on this
>
> thanks
>
>
> --
> Caroline Tabach
> Technical/Marcom Writer
> e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
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Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

[Caroline Tabach]

Make the conditions on the reference page?

Thanks very much

Caroline Tabach


בתאריך יום ד׳, 17 באוק׳ 2018, 17:02, מאת Rick Quatro ‏:

> Hi Caroline,
>
> You need to duplicate the MTOC paragraphs on the MTOC Reference Page and
> assign a different condition to each set (for example, Print and Web).
> Remove the <$pagenum> building block from the Web paragraphs. When you hide
> the Web condition and show the Print condition, you will get page numbers
> when you update the MiniTOC. When you hide the Print condition and show the
> Web condition, you will not get page numbers in the MiniToc. I just tested
> it and it seems to work fine.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-729-6746 NEW!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On
> Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:32 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only
> headings will appear in HTML5 Help??
>
> Frame 2017
>
> I have set up my system to create nice HTML 5 help, with the product look
> and feel.
>
> There is one thing  I am stuck with, maybe someone has the answer
>
> The PDF file has a mini-TOC for most of the chapters
>
> It is in the form of
> <$paranum> <$paratext> on page <$pagenum>
>
> I set this up on the reference page
>
> In the help file itself, I would like to have this Mini-TOC appear as
> hyperlinks on each main topic page, but without the variables of the
> numbering and page numbers.
>
> These elements are as I said on the reference page, and not part of the
> styles  (which would be easy to fix if that was the case)
>
> Yesterday I thought that using the MiniTOC in the HTMLTemplate was the
> answer, but when I sort of managed to make it work, I saw that it just
> gives
> a list of topics on the same page (Is that correct)?
>
> What I am looking for is how to make a  MiniTOC   from Frame appear in help
> without the extra variables.
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Otherwise the solution, would be to have the regular  MiniTOC   not be
> displayed in the help file, and either have manual X-refs, or make a
> different  MiniTOC   for help files, with conditional text, using a
> different set of styles?, which would be a little unwieldy, but would work
> permanently.
>
> I would welcome input on this
>
> thanks
>
>
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Re: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Caroline,

You need to duplicate the MTOC paragraphs on the MTOC Reference Page and
assign a different condition to each set (for example, Print and Web).
Remove the <$pagenum> building block from the Web paragraphs. When you hide
the Web condition and show the Print condition, you will get page numbers
when you update the MiniTOC. When you hide the Print condition and show the
Web condition, you will not get page numbers in the MiniToc. I just tested
it and it seems to work fine.

Rick

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Subject: [Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only
headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

Frame 2017

I have set up my system to create nice HTML 5 help, with the product look
and feel.

There is one thing  I am stuck with, maybe someone has the answer

The PDF file has a mini-TOC for most of the chapters

It is in the form of
<$paranum> <$paratext> on page <$pagenum>

I set this up on the reference page

In the help file itself, I would like to have this Mini-TOC appear as
hyperlinks on each main topic page, but without the variables of the
numbering and page numbers.

These elements are as I said on the reference page, and not part of the
styles  (which would be easy to fix if that was the case)

Yesterday I thought that using the MiniTOC in the HTMLTemplate was the
answer, but when I sort of managed to make it work, I saw that it just gives
a list of topics on the same page (Is that correct)?

What I am looking for is how to make a  MiniTOC   from Frame appear in help
without the extra variables.

Is this possible?

Otherwise the solution, would be to have the regular  MiniTOC   not be
displayed in the help file, and either have manual X-refs, or make a
different  MiniTOC   for help files, with conditional text, using a
different set of styles?, which would be a little unwieldy, but would work
permanently.

I would welcome input on this

thanks


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[Framers] How to edit MiniTOC as defined on ref page so that only headings will appear in HTML5 Help??

[Caroline Tabach]

Frame 2017

I have set up my system to create nice HTML 5 help, with the product look
and feel.

There is one thing  I am stuck with, maybe someone has the answer

The PDF file has a mini-TOC for most of the chapters

It is in the form of
<$paranum> <$paratext> on page <$pagenum>

I set this up on the reference page

In the help file itself, I would like to have this Mini-TOC appear as
hyperlinks on each main topic page, but without the variables of the
numbering and page numbers.

These elements are as I said on the reference page, and not part of the
styles  (which would be easy to fix if that was the case)

Yesterday I thought that using the MiniTOC in the HTMLTemplate was the
answer, but when I sort of managed to make it work, I saw that it just
gives a list of topics on the same page (Is that correct)?

What I am looking for is how to make a  MiniTOC   from Frame appear in help
without the extra variables.

Is this possible?

Otherwise the solution, would be to have the regular  MiniTOC   not be
displayed in the help file, and either have manual X-refs, or make a
different  MiniTOC   for help files, with conditional text, using a
different set of styles?, which would be a little unwieldy, but would work
permanently.

I would welcome input on this

thanks


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[Framers] Need help with List Formats in Structured

[Nicole Rader]

I am updating a file to Structured FrameMaker and ran into a problem with
the list formats. I have many instances where lists have multiple levels.

For example:
a. Level 1
  1). Level 2
 (a) Level 3

I am having difficulties with the lists not resetting.

What I want:
a. Text
  1. Text
  2. Text
b. Text
  1. Text

What I am getting:
a. Text
   1. Text
   2. Text
b. Text
   3. Text

I am sure I have something wrong in my EDD, but cannot figure it out. Below
is my EDD text format rules for my lists.


Let me know if you need more info to help me solve.

My structure is set to PARA0 (ListType "Numbered") < Step1 < Para. Above is
the format rules for the Para element specifically.

Thanks in advance.

Nicole
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Re: [Framers] Structured Index help

[Rob Wallis]

Running structured index markers here, but keeping the index unstructured.
The downside to unstructured index is it cannot set headers and footers
from the structured book, and have to be done manually.
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Re: [Framers] Structured Index help

[Roger Shuttleworth]

Hi Scott
In structured documents you would usually use a structured marker element 
(indexterm in DITA; in other schemas it may be called something else). This 
element would be defined as a marker element type. The marker syntax is the 
same.
You generate the index in the same way as in unstructured documents, except 
that you specifically choose the structure element ( indexterm or whatever) to 
do so. The index document itself is usually not a structured document, though 
some schemas might choose to make it one - there is little benefit in doing so, 
but a purist might want to do so.
You could also use a hybrid approach in simply adding unstructured markers to 
your structured document, but in my view that should be frowned upon.
Hope that helps.

Roger


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>The client is using FM17, I have FM15.
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[Framers] Structured Index help

[White, Scott]

I just got off the phone with a client and they are running a structured 
FrameMaker document. I have never used structured but have always used 
unstructured for our catalog pages.

They are wanting help in creating an index from a book. Is there any difference 
between running an index in structured vs unstructured?

The client is using FM17, I have FM15.

Thanks

VALLEN
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Manager, Content and Print Media
(O) 704.398.5752 (F) 704.398.5771
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Re: [Framers] Publishing Help fails

[Bragg, Judy - Xylem]

It turns out you all had a piece of the ultimate solution.  For some, still 
unknown reason, the crash appears to be linked to the images in that 89th 
document where the crash occurred.  That FM wouldn't even publish on its own 
until I removed the pictures.

They were all PNG format so...I just put them back in, a few at a time, and 
recompiling.  It never crashed again so...something about the link itself, 
maybe.

Anyway, It's compiling successfully now.  Thank you for all of your suggestions.

Judy Bragg
Technical Writer/QC
HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
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Re: [Framers] Publishing Help fails

[ideaslists]

The suggestion was just to track down what was causing the problem. Once you
find it and --hopefully--fit it, then output the entire book.

David Creamer
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:17:54 +
From: "Bragg, Judy - Xylem" <j...@hypack.com>
Subject: [Framers] Publishing Help fails


Thanks for your suggestions.

I had contemplated publishing FM #89 to the end, or #89 alone, but I have
cross-references between FMs that would be broken if I did that. Wouldn't
that cause other problems?

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[Framers] Publishing Help fails

[Bragg, Judy - Xylem]

Thanks for your suggestions.

I had contemplated publishing FM #89 to the end, or #89 alone, but I have 
cross-references between FMs that would be broken if I did that. Wouldn't that 
cause other problems?

Judy Bragg
Technical Writer/QC
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Re: [Framers] Publishing Help fails

[ideaslists]

For the record, I don't think this was off list... 

Actually, her concept is sound. Use the "binary method" to track down the
problem.
Output the first half of the book see if there are problems.
Do same for second half. 
Keep dividing sections in half and test each section until problem(s) can be
identified.

David Creamer
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 15:02:47 +
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To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Publishing Help fails

Off list:


For the record, I don't think this suggestion is going to be very helpful in
the case at hand.

Judy is talking about a book with 2400 pages and roughly 100 component FM
files. And the problem occurs at the 89th *file* not the 89th page.

-FR


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Re: [Framers] Publishing Help fails

[Fred Ridder]

Off list:


For the record, I don't think this suggestion is going to be very helpful in 
the case at hand.

Judy is talking about a book with 2400 pages and roughly 100 component FM 
files. And the problem occurs at the 89th *file* not the 89th page.

-FR


From: Framers <framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on 
behalf of Carole McCormick <carolemccorm...@sunnuclear.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:23 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Publishing Help fails

When I've had issues like this, I have copied my project, deleted pages from 
the Frame file, and published the help until I can pinpoint what is causing the 
problem. You might start by deleting everything after page 88 and publishing. 
If that is successful, add more pages back and republish.  I know this is 
time-consuming, but I've been able to find and correct problems doing that.

Another thing I have found when I've had a failure is that the problem is with 
an image. So you might want to take a look at any images that are on the page 
where the failure occurs. Remove images and try publishing again. (Working, of 
course, with a copy of the project!)

HTH!
Carole

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Hi Framers,

I have TCS 2015 on a 64-bit Win7 machine with almost 19 Gb free HD space & 16 
Gb RAM.

This is my first time around using FrameMaker 2015 and attempting to publish 
our Help files from FrameMaker.  I learned a lot from Matt Sullivan's course 
and successfully published a "test run" in November, so  I thought I was all 
set and all I'd have to do is update the content, tweak the CSS a little bit, 
and republish.  Well...nothing's ever easy!

I'm publishing a large book (2400 pgs) with about 100 component FM files.

-  All files open in FM without error.

-  Style sheet and mapping are complete.

-  When I attempt to publish to HTML5, the process crashes at the 89th 
document. A "Failed Importing Documents" message appears, then FM closes.  No 
files have been updated, even the first 88.  At least the Date Mod. property is 
still the date I initiated the project.
I contemplated dividing the book and attempting to publish the second half 
alone (as a test or to get the missing image files) but that would more than 
likely cause error messages due to unresolved cross-references.

Since I do have Tech. Comm. Suite, and I'm experienced with publishing CHM from 
RoboHelp, I tried going that route as well.  Everything seemed to go normally 
until I started scanning the output and found some missing images.  I see the 
*.PNG name, but no image.  On further investigation, I find there are almost 
500 image files of 0 Kb!  It appears that all of the "missing images" are in 
sections from the second half of the book (starting before the 89th FM where 
the other process crashed).

The only other thing I can think of is that it needs more memory to publish 
such a large book.  That being said, I *have* removed about 10 Gb of files from 
the HD today.  It's possible I had more free space in November than I do now.  
Is it worth a try to free up more HD space for the compile?

Any words of wisdom are welcome.  I'm about out of ideas.

Thanks in advance,

Judy Bragg
Technical Writer/QC
HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
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[Framers] Publishing Help fails

[Carole McCormick]

When I've had issues like this, I have copied my project, deleted pages from 
the Frame file, and published the help until I can pinpoint what is causing the 
problem. You might start by deleting everything after page 88 and publishing. 
If that is successful, add more pages back and republish.  I know this is 
time-consuming, but I've been able to find and correct problems doing that.

Another thing I have found when I've had a failure is that the problem is with 
an image. So you might want to take a look at any images that are on the page 
where the failure occurs. Remove images and try publishing again. (Working, of 
course, with a copy of the project!)

HTH!
Carole

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Hi Framers,

I have TCS 2015 on a 64-bit Win7 machine with almost 19 Gb free HD space & 16 
Gb RAM.

This is my first time around using FrameMaker 2015 and attempting to publish 
our Help files from FrameMaker.  I learned a lot from Matt Sullivan's course 
and successfully published a "test run" in November, so  I thought I was all 
set and all I'd have to do is update the content, tweak the CSS a little bit, 
and republish.  Well...nothing's ever easy!

I'm publishing a large book (2400 pgs) with about 100 component FM files.

-  All files open in FM without error.

-  Style sheet and mapping are complete.

-  When I attempt to publish to HTML5, the process crashes at the 89th 
document. A "Failed Importing Documents" message appears, then FM closes.  No 
files have been updated, even the first 88.  At least the Date Mod. property is 
still the date I initiated the project.
I contemplated dividing the book and attempting to publish the second half 
alone (as a test or to get the missing image files) but that would more than 
likely cause error messages due to unresolved cross-references.

Since I do have Tech. Comm. Suite, and I'm experienced with publishing CHM from 
RoboHelp, I tried going that route as well.  Everything seemed to go normally 
until I started scanning the output and found some missing images.  I see the 
*.PNG name, but no image.  On further investigation, I find there are almost 
500 image files of 0 Kb!  It appears that all of the "missing images" are in 
sections from the second half of the book (starting before the 89th FM where 
the other process crashed).

The only other thing I can think of is that it needs more memory to publish 
such a large book.  That being said, I *have* removed about 10 Gb of files from 
the HD today.  It's possible I had more free space in November than I do now.  
Is it worth a try to free up more HD space for the compile?

Any words of wisdom are welcome.  I'm about out of ideas.

Thanks in advance,

Judy Bragg
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Re: [Framers] Publishing Help fails

[David Creamer]

Check Frame file names. Watch for punctuation in name—use standard web naming 
system. 

David Creamer 

This message is sent from my iPhone. Please forgive short responses and 
misspelled words. 

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:04 PM, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com wrote:
> 
> Publishing Help fails

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[Framers] Publishing Help fails

[Bragg, Judy - Xylem]

Hi Framers,

I have TCS 2015 on a 64-bit Win7 machine with almost 19 Gb free HD space & 16 
Gb RAM.

This is my first time around using FrameMaker 2015 and attempting to publish 
our Help files from FrameMaker.  I learned a lot from Matt Sullivan's course 
and successfully published a "test run" in November, so  I thought I was all 
set and all I'd have to do is update the content, tweak the CSS a little bit, 
and republish.  Well...nothing's ever easy!

I'm publishing a large book (2400 pgs) with about 100 component FM files.

-  All files open in FM without error.

-  Style sheet and mapping are complete.

-  When I attempt to publish to HTML5, the process crashes at the 89th 
document. A "Failed Importing Documents" message appears, then FM closes.  No 
files have been updated, even the first 88.  At least the Date Mod. property is 
still the date I initiated the project.
I contemplated dividing the book and attempting to publish the second half 
alone (as a test or to get the missing image files) but that would more than 
likely cause error messages due to unresolved cross-references.

Since I do have Tech. Comm. Suite, and I'm experienced with publishing CHM from 
RoboHelp, I tried going that route as well.  Everything seemed to go normally 
until I started scanning the output and found some missing images.  I see the 
*.PNG name, but no image.  On further investigation, I find there are almost 
500 image files of 0 Kb!  It appears that all of the "missing images" are in 
sections from the second half of the book (starting before the 89th FM where 
the other process crashed).

The only other thing I can think of is that it needs more memory to publish 
such a large book.  That being said, I *have* removed about 10 Gb of files from 
the HD today.  It's possible I had more free space in November than I do now.  
Is it worth a try to free up more HD space for the compile?

Any words of wisdom are welcome.  I'm about out of ideas.

Thanks in advance,

Judy Bragg
Technical Writer/QC
HYPACK - A Xylem Brand
56 Bradley St.
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[Framers] OT: jQuery help

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Framers,

 

I have an HTML template that I need some help with. I need to improve the
navigation, which was done with jQuery. I need a recommendation for a jQuery
expert. Thank you very much.

 

Rick

 

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585-366-4017

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Can RoboHelp generate a PDF of a complete help system?

[Robert Lauriston]

I don't know what you mean by "wasn't capable." As far back as RH7 the
default PDF output included the whole project.

If you have TCS, I think it makes more sense to have the source in
FrameMaker, generate PDF from there, and link to RoboHelp to generate
other outputs.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> I know it wasn't capable of doing that in the past, but I'm curious if it
> can now (the last release or two of TCS).
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[Framers] Can RoboHelp generate a PDF of a complete help system?

[Art Campbell]

I know it wasn't capable of doing that in the past, but I'm curious if it
can now (the last release or two of TCS).

TIA,
Art

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Re: [Framers] Context sensitive help in Frame 2015 or 2017 with HTML5?

[Robert Lauriston]

Why should context-sensitive help be any less useful than it ever was?

CSH uses the same TopicAlias markers for all outputs. RoboHelp can use
them as well if for some reason you want to link the project instead
of using the integrated subset of RoboHelp features.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2015/using/#t=using-framemaker-2015%2Ffrm_text_tx%2FPublish_options-.htm=context%20sensitive=context%20sensitive=%20

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Wroblewski, Victoria
<victoria.wroblew...@necect.com> wrote:
> Just started really testing the TCS 2017 today for evaluation so we can 
> upgrade from Frame 12.
>
> Anyone out there doing context  sensitive help (I know, I know, we shouldn't 
> need to do it anymore and people should know how to use search tools but 
> development will not let this one go) with HTML5 output rather than a .chm 
> file?  From what I have heard so far it was a little easier in 2015 (which I 
> was evaluating for our group for tools, plugins, etc. and finished the day 
> they announced 2017 release) and could all be done from just Frame, but now 
> may be back to method of needing RoboHelp.  Not a problem.  Might be nice if 
> we could move to something more like HTML5 output, depending on the file size 
> and how hard it would be to transition a project over.
>
> Anyone gone through that process yet???
>
>
> -V
>
> Victoria J. Wroblewski
> Technical Writer
> NEC Enterprise Communication Technologies, Inc.
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[Framers] Context sensitive help in Frame 2015 or 2017 with HTML5?

[Wroblewski, Victoria]

Just started really testing the TCS 2017 today for evaluation so we can upgrade 
from Frame 12.

Anyone out there doing context  sensitive help (I know, I know, we shouldn't 
need to do it anymore and people should know how to use search tools but 
development will not let this one go) with HTML5 output rather than a .chm 
file?  From what I have heard so far it was a little easier in 2015 (which I 
was evaluating for our group for tools, plugins, etc. and finished the day they 
announced 2017 release) and could all be done from just Frame, but now may be 
back to method of needing RoboHelp.  Not a problem.  Might be nice if we could 
move to something more like HTML5 output, depending on the file size and how 
hard it would be to transition a project over.

Anyone gone through that process yet???


-V

Victoria J. Wroblewski
Technical Writer
NEC Enterprise Communication Technologies, Inc.

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Re: [Framers] ​Re: Frame Help files

[Danny Green]

Thanks Becky.  We always enjoy being with you and Clyde.  We really enjoy
our new house.  We are still making changes to make it ours and fixing some
builder mistakes.  We have had a steady flow of family since we got here.
You and Clyde are welcome if you ever come this way.  Are you guys going to
the alumni thing on May 6?  Ronda and I are thinking about it.  Rich told
me about it on facebook.
On Apr 13, 2017 2:45 PM, "Joel"  wrote:

> That may be true, but I have a hunch that the market in general is moving
> away from DITA as an expensive, hard to use monster in an Agile age.
> Joel
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Joel  wrote:
> > > I think Adobe should combine Frame and RoboHelp, or just kill RH and
> roll
> > > it into Frame. Then Adobe would have a real Flare killer on their
> hands.
> > > Quit focusing on DITA and focus on what Flare does.
> >
> >
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[Framers] ​Re: Frame Help files

[Joel]

That may be true, but I have a hunch that the market in general is moving
away from DITA as an expensive, hard to use monster in an Agile age.
Joel


>
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Joel  wrote:
> > I think Adobe should combine Frame and RoboHelp, or just kill RH and roll
> > it into Frame. Then Adobe would have a real Flare killer on their hands.
> > Quit focusing on DITA and focus on what Flare does.
>
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Re: [Framers] ​ Re: Frame Help files

[Robert Lauriston]

I think Adobe focuses on DITA because they get revenues from that market.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Joel  wrote:
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> it into Frame. Then Adobe would have a real Flare killer on their hands.
> Quit focusing on DITA and focus on what Flare does.
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[Framers] ​ Re: Frame Help files

[Joel]

I think Adobe should combine Frame and RoboHelp, or just kill RH and roll
it into Frame. Then Adobe would have a real Flare killer on their hands.
Quit focusing on DITA and focus on what Flare does.
Joel
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Re: [Framers] Frame Help Files

[Robert Lauriston]

WebHelp (in FM 2015 but not 2017) and Responsive HTML are. You should
be able to generate them using the existing TopicAlias markers.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Bragg, Judy - Xylem <j...@hypack.com> wrote:
> We've been using CHM for context sensitive help (a requirement). Are the 
> other formats also configurable to be context-sensitive?
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Re: [Framers] Frame Help Files

[Bragg, Judy - Xylem]

We've been using CHM for context sensitive help (a requirement). Are the other 
formats also configurable to be context-sensitive?

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Re: [Framers] Frame Help files

[Robert Lauriston]

RH has some additional output formats and options, but most people
don't need them.

FM 2017:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2017/using/using-framemaker-2017/frm_generating_output/Multichannel_publishing1-.htm

RH 11:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/robohelp/robohtml/WS2CB24DBD-6C64-47c7-A4AB-802576C672C0.html#WS5b3ccc516d4fbf351e63e3d11aff59bf9d-7ffd

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Gillian Flato <gill6...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Now that we can publish help from within FrameMaker, what do we need Robohelp 
> for?
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Re: [Framers] Frame Help files

[Rob Wallis]

There aren't a lot of HTML help options on the default FM output to CHM.
For instance, you get a default small box help window in the top left
corner. The file that controls the layout is hardcoded into FM, apparently
it's an enhancement rather than a requirement (to allow it to be
customised).

Rob Wallis

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> options with RoboHelp (and possibly more outputs).
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> From: Framers
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> Behalf
> Of Gillian Flato
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:27 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: [Framers] Frame Help files
>
> Now that we can publish help from within FrameMaker, what do we need
> Robohelp for?
>
> -Gillian
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