Re: [Freedos-user] MSdos 7.1 question

[Dale E Sterner via Freedos-user]

You use to promote MSdos 7.1. Have you ever found
a way to get sound on it.
I deleted a command called KILL on it. Do you know
what that command does because I don't?
I love the large file size that it supports. Freedos is
limited to 2 gigs and PCdos stops a 8 gigs.


cheers
DS


On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
 writes:
> Thanks Eric,
> you are a prince.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi! According to
> >
> > 
>
https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/te
st/report.html
> >
> > you can download
> >
> > 
>
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/unst
able/archiver/p7zip.zip
> >
> > for 7zip. Regards, Eric
> >
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3

[Dale E Sterner]

Thank for the tip; I had no idea that could be done.
I delete the s from the url and hit return it worked.
I wonder what they are using now for cerificates,
my browzer is loaded for bear and I still cann't
connect.


cheers
DS


On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 11:51:58 -0400 Jerome Shidel 
writes:
> Hi, 
> 
> > On Oct 17, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I recently tried to download Freedos 1.3 and had a problem.
> > I used XPsp2 ; the download failed with a " unable to complete
> > secure transaction".  Your download source is too restricted.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > cheers
> > DS
> 
> 
> This is probably a result of Windows XP not supporting the minimum 
> required protocols to establish a secure connection. Luckily, you 
> can connect to the official download server without establishing a 
> secure connect at the same url using just http instead of https. For 
> example, 
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/ 
> to download one of the releases or interim test builds.
> 
> :-)
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3

[Dale E Sterner]

I recently tried to download Freedos 1.3 and had a problem.
I used XPsp2 ; the download failed with a " unable to complete
secure transaction".  Your download source is too restricted.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Somekind of Game Port Emu/Converter ?

[Dale E Sterner]

Your head is full of a lot of good imformation.
You should write a book to spread it around.
We need more USB experts.

cheers
DS



On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:42:03 GMT "Bret Johnson" 
writes:
> > Bret, you are one of the few people who know how
> > to write USB software. How did you learn to do it?
> > Are there any good books on the subject?
> 
> It's mostly been trial and error (with a heavy emphasis on the 
> error).  My main reading for USB is just the USB specifications.
> 
> Unfortunately, almost none of the USB hardware is 100% compliant 
> with the specifications (which, believe it or not, Microsoft seems 
> to encourage, at least indirectly).  So, in addition to the 
> specifications, I need to occasionally do Internet searches for how 
> problems are handled by others, and also occasionally look at Linux 
> source code.  I normally can't use the Linux source code directly, 
> though, since it's written in C instead of ASM and the Linux 
> architecture is completely different than DOS (Linux doesn't have 
> TSR's and doesn't have the same kinds of memory limitations that DOS 
> has).  I don't know if you've really ever noticed, but TSR's that 
> are written in high-level languages (like C or Pascal) usually have 
> lots of in-line ASM since high-level languages don't work very well 
> when manipulating hardware.  But, the Linux code reveals a lot of 
> experience in what doesn't work and some information about 
> non-compliant or non-standard hardware and where the non-compliance 
> occurs.
> 
> The main USB-related web page I frequent is: 
> 
> http://janaxelson.com/usb.htm
> 
> and she (Jan Axelson) has written some USB books, though I've never 
> read them.  A lot of the questions on the PORTS Forum have to do 
> with how to get things to work with Windows and are not "general" 
> USB-related as such, but are sometimes still interesting or 
> relevant.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Somekind of Game Port Emu/Converter ?

[Dale E Sterner]

Bret, you are one of the few people who know how
to write USB software. How did you learn to do it?
Are there any good books on the subject?


cheers
DS



On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:15:55 GMT "Bret Johnson" 
writes:
> > Bret, if we talk about real hardware with FreeDOS (or even DOS), 
> using
> > your USB drivers. Is there any way to attach an USB gamepad and 
> have
> > some kind of program that maps that USB gamepad as a game port
> > gamepad, so old games that use the gameport can work with a USB
> > gamepad?
> 
> That's exactly what the USB drivers do, though it can be fairly 
> complicated to setup, and again only works with certain hardware.  
> There are several factors to consider -- the first is to make sure 
> you have a compatible (UHCI) USB Host Controller.  UHCI Host 
> Controllers are made by either Intel or Via.  Probably the 
> best/easiest way to do that is to download the USB drivers from my 
> web site (http://bretjohnson.us) and run the USBHOSTS program.  It 
> will tell you what kind(s) of USB host controllers you have 
> installed.  If they're not UHCI, my drivers won't work.
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Re: [Freedos-user] ibiblio.org

[Dale E Sterner]

Is your computer 32 bit.

cheers
DS



On Sat, 15 May 2021 10:36:52 -0400 Jerome Shidel 
writes:
> 
> 
> > On May 15, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > 
> > You don't have an old computer then.
> 
> What is old anymore?
> 
> I remember a time that a 2 year old PC was ancient and slow. Using 
> that as the unit of measure, this computer is down right 
> pre-historic.
> 
> :-)
> 
> They may have updated their protocol support list.
> 
> You should still  be able connect via HTTP. 
> 


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Re: [Freedos-user] ibiblio.org

[Dale E Sterner]

I copied a link, it was correct.
They made a security upgrade, keeps the old stuff out.

cheers
DS




On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:39:15 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 3:20 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What happened to ibilbio.org web site.
> > It won't let me in (unable to complete secure
> > tranaction - message.)
> >
> 
> 
> Hi Dale
> 
> If that's the URL you went to, then you have a typo. You wrote:
> 
> ibilbio.org
> 
> ..and you should have written:
> 
> ibiblio.org
> 
> 
> The direct link to the FreeDOS files archive is at
> https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] ibiblio.org

[Dale E Sterner]

You don't have an old computer then.

cheers
DS

On Thu, 13 May 2021 19:15:54 -0400 Jerome Shidel 
writes:
> Hi,
> 
> > On May 13, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > What happened to ibilbio.org web site.
> > It won't let me in (unable to complete secure
> > tranaction - message.)
> > 
> > 
> > cheers
> > DS
> > 
> > 
> 
> I just went to 
>
https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/lat
est/pkg-html/
> 
> Seems fine to me. No problem here.
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > **>>>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] ibiblio.org

[Dale E Sterner]

What happened to ibilbio.org web site.
It won't let me in (unable to complete secure
tranaction - message.)


cheers
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Re: [Freedos-user] Updates to the FreeDOS website?

[Dale E Sterner]

If you update your website; make sure you keep it open to
old computers like mine. Update tend to lock out old
computers like mine.

cheers
DS


On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:52:51 -0600 Jim Hall  writes:
> Hi everyone
> 
> I'm thinking about making a few changes to the FreeDOS website. But 
> I don't
> want this to be "just another makeover" that makes things pretty. 
> Instead,
> I'm looking for what you will find useful.
> 
> I'm thinking of a few things already:
> 
> *1. Update the wiki*
> The wiki is arguably part of the FreeDOS website, and people go 
> there if
> they can't find the information they are looking for on the rest of 
> the
> site. It seems most people use the website to download FreeDOS, 
> check the
> latest news, find links, and get general information. But if they 
> are
> looking for a "how-to" or other documentation, they look to the wiki 
> for
> that.
> 
> As I mentioned in the get-together today, the wiki is out of date. 
> The wiki
> started as docs we kept in the SourceForge site-wide wiki. When SF 
> stopped
> running a site-wide wiki, they gave all projects an export of their 
> data
> and instructions for how to set up their own MediaWiki. I don't know
> MediaWiki, but I was able to follow the instructions to set up the 
> wiki we
> have now.
> 
> The setup works, but it's really hard for me to do basic "admin" 
> things
> like add new editors. So I need to update that.
> 
> An updated wiki will make it easier to provide up-to-date 
> documentation and
> "how-to" instructions.
> 
> *2. Make it easy to share stuff*
> Sometimes it would be nice to share a news item with Twitter or 
> other
> social media. I'm working on an update to the News system that will 
> provide
> "share" buttons to share a news item on Twitter, Facebook, and 
> LinkedIn.
> I'd also like to include Reddit.
> 
> As a bonus, this update also makes this easier to manage on the 
> back-end.
> 
> *3. Make the front page more welcoming*
> The front page is a quick "landing page" for people to learn about 
> FreeDOS.
> It's not bad, but could be better. I'm planning to embed the latest 
> FreeDOS
> video on the front, since the videos are about *things you can do 
> with
> FreeDOS* or *showing off neat features in FreeDOS*, so I think the 
> video
> will help. I'll also make the screenshots smaller so they don't take 
> up so
> much of the screen.
> 
> I also want to make it easier to start downloading FreeDOS right 
> from the
> front page. I'm not sure yet how I'll do that, but I'm thinking 
> about
> borrowing from the https://getfedora.org/ front page, where they 
> have a
> small info box about each "spin" of the Fedora distro, and a 
> "Download Now"
> button that brings you to a separate page where you actually 
> download
> Fedora. What do you think?
> 
> BTW, you can already access the front page as 
> https://www.freedos.org/ or
> http://www.freedos.org/ or https://freedos.org/ or 
> http://freedos.org/
> 
> 
> Let me know what you think will make the website easier to use. I'll 
> plan
> to tackle this in February or March, with plans to deploy in March 
> or April.
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] IDE <-> CF adapters

[Dale E Sterner]

I need cf chips internally maked as fixed - extremely
rare.KomputerBay is the  only one that I know of.
Will do a search for your source, thanks.

cheers
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On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 07:12:07 +0100 "Frantisek Rysanek"
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> On 26 Dec 2020 at 17:13, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > I've been using the same cf card for years. OS's
> > 2000 an higher can only run on KomputerBay cf chips.
> > These versions of windows check for fixed or removable.
> > XP will give you a memory error on a Sandisk card but
> > it still will run poorly.
> > Sandisk does make a fixed version but you can't buy them.
> > Only industrial customers can buy Sandisk fixed versions.
> > I  tried ; they hang up on you.
> > 
> > cheers
> > DS
> 
> Innodisk are almost strictly industrial, and they assemble to order 
> (or have stock) from single pieces up, aiming for long-term product 
> lifecycles/availability. Consequently the lead time is a few days 
> EXW, plus transportation to wherever in the world you are. They 
> probably wouldn't sell to individual customers directly, but you 
> should try talking to a local distributor advertising their stuff. 
> Some disties may have a modest stock of some CF model that might as 
> well suit your needs off the shelf.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] IDE <-> CF adapters

[Dale E Sterner]

I've been using the same cf card for years. OS's
2000 an higher can only run on KomputerBay cf chips.
These versions of windows check for fixed or removable.
XP will give you a memory error on a Sandisk card but
it still will run poorly.
Sandisk does make a fixed version but you can't buy them.
Only industrial customers can buy Sandisk fixed versions.
I  tried ; they hang up on you.

cheers
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:24:42 +0100 "Frantisek Rysanek"
 writes:
> On 24 Dec 2020 at 13:10, ZB wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 02:37:44PM +0100, DosWorld via 
> Freedos-user
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> 1. This is bad idea - use flash cards for swap or more modern os
> >> (like all windows). I had experience with 16 TF cards, which die 
> >> after 1 year (rewrite limit). All 16 cards work in non-overloaded
> >> machines. 
> > 
> > My CF card is used as "HDD" 3rd month - we'll see in 9 months will
> > it survive.
> > 
> > I doubt it "must die" after a year of use - consider all that
> > photocameras that use CF cards; their owners probably had to buy 
> new CF
> > cards each year. 
> >
> Practical experience, using CF cards as a boot drive in 
> "miscellaneous embedded/industrial" computers where the OS and disk 
> don't have much to do:
> 
> A) standard desktop Windows (XP or earlier) with swapping left 
> operational, 1 year of lifetime sounds about right.
> 
> B) Windows Embedded (XP or later) with swap turned off and 
> preferably 
> with the drive operated in read-only mode (Write Filter enabled):
> the CF card would live forever.
> 
> Note that if you need to use the flash drive as a swap medium, with 
> SLC you have roughly 20 times the lifetime, compared to MLC.
> 
> But it's generally advisable to avoid swapping altogether. Also 
> think 
> about logging, Windows updates etc.
> 
> We've also seen MLC CF cards die after 3 months, when used as the 
> system drive in a SCADA machine, where the software kept making a 
> backup of the current "state" as often as it could (writing a chunk 
> of data to a file on the flash a couple times per second, 
> apparently).
> 
> Swapping means writing tiny transactions (4 kB) at random offsets,
> which practically means that the dual-stage mapping mechanism to 
> flash rows and erase blocks will have a lot of janitoring to do.
> This will multiply the volume written.
> Compared to that, photoes are stored in pretty much sequential 
> fashion (JPEG's, each several MB in size) and there are not nearly 
> as 
> many of them as the number of writes coming from Windows that keep 
> running 24x7. How many photoes can a human shoot - a couple dozen a 
> day? A couple hundred?
> 
> When using smal flash form factors as boot drives (CF, similar IDE 
> Flash "plugs" or SD for instance, CFast, mSATA or M.2), avoid 
> wishful 
> thinking.
> And, 2.5" Flash SSD's are not necessarily better.
> I'm speaking machines for business/industrial use.
> If this is a toy machine, you probably have your own idea :-)
> 
> >> 2. Use last generation of motherboard for Pentium-1 (as minimum)
> >> with VIA Apollo chipset (designed for Pentium and Amd K6/K6-2) - 
> >> only this chipset understand ATA100 native and allow connect CF 
> >> via simple IDE-CF reductor
> > 
> > I use that CF card with old 486 Soyo-SiS mobo (and the "simple
> > reductor").
> > 
> >> (intel VX/HX - NO). As i understand, problem is - no support
> >> ATA100 in older IDE-controllers. In other case, you need use 
> >> PCI-IDE cards or special modern ISA-IDE controllers (designed 
> >> specially for use with CF).
> > 
> > I use that CF card with old VLB IDE controller. Seems to be 
> working
> > just fine, the only problem is 2 GB limit; it can't "see" any 
> larger
> > partition.
> > Anyway it's not related to CF card, but to controller rather
> >
> CF cards are generally backwards compatible with the old PIO modes 
> (DMA-less transfers, polling for every single byte). 
> Thus, in theory, they should work against any old IDE controller.
> A CF card that supports UDMA100 should run just fine in a system 
> that 
> can only do PIO, or run limited to UDMA33 for instance.
> 
> As for size limits, I agree that some BIOSes did actually have such 
> a 
> limit in the past. It doesn't seem to be an inherent limit of 
> IDE/ATA 
> or LBA28 (those have other limits of their own).
> Other than that, 2 GB is a limit of FAT16, per volume = not 
> necessarily a BIOS issue. Though I cannot rule out that a particular 
> 
> BIOS would in fact inspect the partition table and would not approve 
> 
> of partitions larger than some arbitrary size :-) Over the years, 
> I've seen various "innovative BIOS heuristics" in the boot sequence.
> 
> http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/hard_drive_size_barriers.htm
> https://tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
> 
> And another matter is that, especially in the old days, the ATA 
> flash 
> target controllers (and their firmware) were not as univers

Re: [Freedos-user] IDE <-> CF adapters

[Dale E Sterner]

Check the speed of the cf chip. If too fast for your machine, it
might not work. If over 266x I have problems. Sandisk chips are
high quality but they are internally marked as removable. Alot
of programs are made to refuse to run on removables.
Komputerbay cf chips are internally marked as fixed, a big advantage
on computers.

cheers
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writes:
> IDE <-> Compact Flash adapters seem to be popular for extending the 
> life 
> of old computing hardware, and I'm looking at replacing the magnetic 
> 
> disks on my old machines with CF.
> 
> However, there seem to be issues with ensuring that the motherboard 
> <-> 
> adapter <-> CF card chain is all compatible. I presume that there 
> are 
> likely a fair number of people on this list that have already done 
> this. 
> Can anyone provide recommendations as far as manufacturers/devices 
> to 
> seek or avoid?
> 
> Furthermore, I use Linux to administer my DOS machines (stuff like 
> file 
> transfers to the rest of the network), and on the older of the two, 
> the 
> Linux installation is quite swap-dependent. Obviously, the 
> write-lifetime limitations of flash memory are a concern here. Would 
> it 
> be best to just buy a bunch of small CF cards and replace them as 
> they 
> die, or to get a few over-large CF cards and rely on the card 
> firmware 
> to do write levelling, or to just hold on to magnetic storage until 
> I 
> can't find any more drives?
> 
> Lastly, are there any good solutions for mounting multiple CF 
> adapters 
> at the front of a 5.25" drive bay? Most of the adapters I've found 
> that 
> seem to be meant for external mounting seem to either be meant to 
> fit in 
> a rear PCI slot or to fit a single adapter at the front of a 3.5" 
> bay, 
> but it seems like the dimensions are such that most adapters could 
> fit 2 
> wide x 2 high in a 5.25" bay if there were any way to mount them.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] 2 printers on DOS

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I got the 2 printers working with some experimentings.
I changed the 2nd port from ECP to SPP. Now its
happy.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:21:37 -0800 Ralf Quint 
writes:
> On 11/17/2020 8:42 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> > I think you're an expert on DOS.
> > Can you tell me if there is a way to get DOS to detect 2
> > printers on 2 different ports?
> > It can only see 1 printer, the second is ignored.
> 
> Sorry, but you are very light on real info here.
> 
> What do you mean by "detect 2 printers", "can only see 1 printer"???
> 
> I used to use a system with in fact 4 printers, one laser printer, 
> one 
> early inkjet color printer, one tractor feed impact printer (one 
> each on 
> a parallel port, LPT1-3) and an HP plotter on a secondary serial 
> port 
> (COM2).
> 
> Ralf
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] 2 printers on DOS

[Dale E Sterner]

I have 2 parallel printers, which are now working on
DOS. Changed the 2nd port from ECP to SPP.
The laserjet , 2nd printer, prints a little odd.
Will need some PCL6 commands inserted to get it
looking better, that shouldn't be a problem.

cheers
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 17:21:21 -0500 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 10:15 AM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > I think you're an expert on DOS.
> > Can you tell me if there is a way to get DOS to detect 2
> > printers on 2 different ports?
> > It can only see 1 printer, the second is ignored.
> 
> As already asked, how are the printers connected, and what are you
> trying to print *from?*
> 
> IIRC, what DOS itself sees is *ports*. What is connected to the 
> ports
> is the business of what will be using the connected device.
> 
> I'd guess you have one printer on a Centronics parallel port, and
> another connected to a serial port.   Hooking up to a Centronics 
> port
> was the default assumption in DOS days, and stuff trying to print
> would send data to that port.  Depending on what you are trying to
> send stuff to print, you may need to either go into program
> configuration to tell is there *is* a printer on a specified serial
> port, or you may simple not be able to use a second printer.
> 
> If the second printer is connected to a serial port try,
> 
> ECHO "Some line of text" >COMx
> 
> where x is the number of the com port and see whether anything 
> prints.
> It will at least tell you whether data can be sent to that port to
> that device.
> 
> (Stuff like this is why folks migrated from DOS to other OSes.)
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] 2 printers on DOS

[Dale E Sterner]

I got it working. Changed port from ECP to SPP.
The laserjet is now working on DOS.
Thanks.

cheers
DS


On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 22:33:30 +0100 Robert Riebisch 
writes:
> Hi Dale,
> 
> > I think you're an expert on DOS.
> > Can you tell me if there is a way to get DOS to detect 2
> > printers on 2 different ports?
> > It can only see 1 printer, the second is ignored.
> 
> How are the printers connected to the computer? Centronics? Serial?
> 
> How do you check, that DOS only sees one printer?
> Maybe you need to configure the DOS application you print from for 
> the
> second printer.
> 
> Cheers,
> Robert
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[Freedos-user] 2 printers on DOS

[Dale E Sterner]

I think you're an expert on DOS.
Can you tell me if there is a way to get DOS to detect 2
printers on 2 different ports?
It can only see 1 printer, the second is ignored.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Is there such a thing as an add-on SATA host contro ller that works with DOS?

[Dale E Sterner]

I've found that some software refuses to run on removables.
They warn you that the media is removable but on Komputer Bay
chips they run well.

cheers
DS


On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 22:31:53 + "Deposite Pirate"
 writes:
> October 26, 2020 10:10 PM, "Bret Johnson" 
(mailto:bretj...@juno.com?to=%22Bret%20Johnson%22%20)>

> wrote:
> The problem I have found in writing disk drivers in the past (like 
> my USB drivers) are the disks that do NOT show themselves as 
> removable when they actually are, not the ones (like SanDisk) that 
> show reality. If a disk says it is not removable it means you should 
> NEVER need to worry about somebody removing it and replacing it with 
> something different. That is never the case with CF media. Even 
> though the SATA controller may not be removable, the CF cards are 
> and they should be treated as such. SATA is designed for use with 
> removable media.
> 
> I'm not sure about SATA, but at least with floppies and USB the 
> hardware doesn't have a disk eject sensor so you need to mange the 
> potential media changes with software. At least on floppies, this is 
> normally done with a timer and if the disk hasn't been accessed for 
> more than a few seconds when the OS asks the driver if the disk has 
> changed the driver must respond with "I don't know" (which DOS must 
> effectively treat as a "yes"). Of course, this decreases throughput 
> speed since DOS must read the first part of the disk (boot sector, 
> BIOS Parameter Block, FAT, etc.) to try and decide if the media has 
> really changed or not instead of just relying on what's in the cache 
> from the last access. You can also continually poll the disk (every 
> few seconds) and then you can definitively tell DOS "yes" or "no", 
> but that uses power so may not be a good idea on something running 
> off batteries (like a laptop).
> 
> Bottom line is that the SanDisk CF cards are they way they should be 
> even though some computers may have a problem with them. In 
> addition, I believe SATA drivers should always (at least by default) 
> assume removable media unless you can verify they have a hardware 
> media change sensor.
> Some OSes like (unsurprisingly) Windows >= XP and Haiku won't 
> install or run properly on a CF card whose removable bit is set for 
> absolutely no good reason. If you manage to flip the bit to off it 
> will just treat it as a hard disk and then everything works as it 
> should. Sandisk used to have a dos tool to do just that for their CF 
> cards. But they silently withdrew it so they could sell so-called 
> "industrial" CF cards that have that bit set to off for twice to 
> thrice the price. Linux, *BSD, DOS do not give a rat's ass whether a 
> CF card has the removable bit flipped or not. They will install and 
> run with no problem. Which is how it should be. Linux doesn't check 
> whether a CF card is removable or not because it is the 
> responsibility of the user to know not to jack out the CF card when 
> they are using it as a hard drive. Just like you don't remove a live 
> CD when you're installing from it or when you run some OS from 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Is there such a thing as an add-on SATA host controller that works with DOS?

[Dale E Sterner]

There are SATA adapters sold on Amazon that let a CF
chip work on an SATA interface. You might checkout
cf chips sold on Amazon by Komputer Bay.
Sandisk sell the best chips but they are setup
for cameras not computers. Sandisk chips
are internally marked as removable this
can cause a lot of problems on computers.

cheers
DS



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> Hi,
> 
> I have a bunch of SATA mechanical hard drives with perfect health 
> that I've swapped out for SSDs in various laptops. I installed a 
> 160Gb one with a Silicon Image 3512a SATALink host controller in my 
> IBM Aptiva E30-2137 (ALi M1531 Aladdin IV chipset). So far it seems 
> to works great with Windows NT 4. No limitation problems. I use this 
> machine with CF cards to run various OSes (among which FreeDOS, 
> DR-DOS). I thought to myself it would be awesome to format the drive 
> as FAT32 and share it with FreeDOS and DR-DOS. Unfortunately this 
> SiI 3512a only has Windows drivers and it doesn't look like the 
> firmware of this card does any BIOS magic to make it available to 
> DOS. Considering how late FAT32 support came to the DOS family of 
> OSes I would understand why no manufacturer of SATA add-on host 
> controller bothered with DOS support. So I am wondering if there is 
> actually such a thing as an add-on SATA host controller that can be 
> used from DOS OSes.
> 
> Have a nice day,
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Quattro Pro DOS v5.6

[Dale E Sterner]

I use dos qpro 3 daily. I have qpro 5.6 but version 3 is
better. Some things work well in version 3 but not 5.6.
Version 5.6 uses books which has some imperfection.
I did my US taxes using version 3.

cheers
DS



On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 09:02:15 + "Thomas Mueller" 
writes:
> > Been using it 24/7 since around v5.0 in an OS/2 DOS session. It's 
> been forever
> > since I tried to export to another format other than .wk1, which 
> is done simply
> > via saving with the different file extension. Anyone here remember 
> what other
> > extensions are available? I don't see anything on the subject with 
> F1 help, only
> > tranlating, which seems to be only for importing. Presumably .csv 
> should be one,
> > but what about others?
>  
> > Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
> 
> >  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
> 
> > Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
> 
> I very sporadically use Quattro Pro 5.0 for DOS, thought that was 
> the last DOS version.
> 
> Are you sure about 5.6?
> 
> I was trying to find how to export .wq2 (or was it .wq1?) 3-D 
> spreadsheet.
> 
> I have largely switched to gnumeric.
> 
> I believe there is a teapot 3-D spreadsheet program, but don't think 
> it can import/export a 3-D spreadsheet.
> 
> Tom
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] HP11 Streamer?

[Dale E Sterner]

I have MS Word 6 for dos. Its junk. Only does a fraction
of the same windows version. Wordperfect 6.2 is great. I
bought some extras for it. I added stamp and an update 
disk. 

cheers
DS



On Sun, 3 May 2020 17:05:11 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> If you want a distraction-free word processor, you might also try 
> Microsoft
> Word for DOS 5.5. Microsoft released this as a free (gratis) 
> download from
> their website. I covered it in this week's FreeDOS video, on our 
> YouTube
> channel:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIXZtThIkF0
> 
> Direct download is here:
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/word97win/Wd55_be/97/WIN98/EN-US/W
d55_ben.exe
> 
> 
> Pretty nice features! I liked the graphics mode, so you can actually 
> see
> text in *bold*, *italics* and *underline* (instead of seeing them as
> colors). And LibreOffice and even Google Docs can import the old 
> Word for
> DOS 5.5 files - at least for a simple document, I didn't test all 
> the
> styles. (But Microsoft Office 365 can't read the old format, which 
> is too
> bad.)
> 
> Word is now my favorite word processor for DOS.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 3:28 PM Vincent Asaro  
> wrote:
> 
> > Eric,
> >
> > Thank you for the detailed response! I never played video games, 
> actually,
> > I'm just nostalgic for the text interface experience and I really 
> want to
> > use WordPerfect again but without installing a VM. As long as I 
> can enter
> > code and also load DOS programs via USB, I'll get tons of mileage 
> out of FD
> > - there are several legacy word processors I also want to try, 
> like
> > Electric Pencil. A weird obsession, I know, but I'm a writer ;) 
> Thanks
> > again!
> >
> > ~ Vincent
> >
> > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 4:14 PM Eric Auer  
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Vincent! I would say as long as it has at least a
> >> few megabytes of RAM and at least a 386 CPU, FreeDOS
> >> should run on any PC ;-) Which specific parts are you
> >> worried about? The BIOS will usually support "legacy"
> >> OS such as DOS in helping with USB keyboard and mouse
> >> access and access to any built-in harddisk or SSD.
> >>
> >> Even the newest graphics cards should still support
> >> classic text mode and common VGA modes, but there
> >> is a thread in the BTTR forum complaining that some
> >> new graphics cards became too exotic for DOS games.
> >>
> >> Note that almost no game for DOS will support current
> >> sound infrastructure such as AC97 or HDA. If you are
> >> looking for sound beyond the PC speaker or beeper, it
> >> is better to run DOS in a virtual environment such as
> >> dosemu2 or a complete generic virtual PC. Using dosemu
> >> has the advantage that you get guest drivers which let
> >> you access a Linux directory as if it was a DOS disk.
> >>
> >> Regarding disk sizes: FreeDOS supports only MBR style
> >> partitions yet, no GPT, so you are limited to using
> >> the first 2 TB of your disks. If your BIOS does not
> >> support LBA48, it could even be the first 128 GB.
> >>
> >> Regards, Eric
> >>
> >> PS: There are some DOS media players which support some
> >> newer sound chips, but I do not know any games which do.
> >>
> >> > I have a little HP11 streaming laptop I'm not using - I used it 
> to try
> >> out
> >> > Linux Mint, now it's redundant - is it a good candidate for 
> FreeDOS?
> >> I'd be
> >> > dependant on the USB ports for I/O. Thank you!
> >>
> >>
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So why didn't freedos keep dosfsck; it its better?.


cheers
DS



On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 22:48:22 +0100 Eric Auer  writes:
> 
> Hi Dale,
> 
> FAT32 has too large metadata to be convenient
> to handle for CHKDSK. Because of this, it is
> only supported by DOSFSCK, which requires a
> 386 or newer CPU and several MB of free RAM.
> 
> It has been a while since DOSFSCK got ported
> to DOS, but I think you will be fine with the
> older version which FreeDOS is still using :-)
> 
> Of course, if anybody feels like backporting
> the newest DOSFSCK version (from the Linux
> dosfstools) to DOS, I am happy to provide
> a bit of advice and support. No time to do
> the actual update myself any soon, sorry.
> 
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[Dale E Sterner]

Why would Freedos be using a chkdsk that doesn't
work on fat32? An that doesn't explain lchk's report
on line 16. I'm starting to wonder if freedos runs on
fat32 but doesn't support it -that seems strange
if its true.
That file you wanted so badly is c:\tcl86r2\clock.tcl
and its 152K not 1.5meg as I reported to you.


cheers
DS


On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 15:55:51 -0500 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 3:49 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > I ran freedos chkdsk and it said:
> > "fat32 not currently supported"
> > This was on FREEdos1.2.
> > Also lchk said on line 16 of its report:
> > "FAT32 compatible disk access disabled"
> > This was on FREEdos1.2 running on 32 gig cf chip
> > with an FAT32 format.
> > I'm not happy with the word "disabled"
> > Can you explain why it used the word "disabled"
> 
> FAT32 is not supported in that version of CHKDSK in that variant of 
> FreeDOS.
> 
> If FAT32 is not supported and CHKDSK *can't* work on a FAT32 volume,
> what would you *expect* lchk to say?
> 
> > cheers
> > DS
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.2 move, copy & xcopy

[Dale E Sterner]

I ran freedos chkdsk and it said:
"fat32 not currently supported"
This was on FREEdos1.2.
Also lchk said on line 16 of its report:
"FAT32 compatible disk access disabled"
This was on FREEdos1.2 running on 32 gig cf chip
with an FAT32 format.
I'm not happy with the word "disabled"
Can you explain why it used the word "disabled"

cheers
DS


On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:10:28 -0600 Rugxulo  writes:
> Hi again,
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm running FREEDOS 1.2 on a 32  gig cf chip which works
> > just like an IDE harddrive. Only about 2 gigs of the chip is
> > used, the rest is free space with a FAT 32 format.
> 
> It could be some kind of obscure firmware bug. So maybe a flaw in 
> your
> BIOS (HDD emulation of CF) or something specific to the CF itself. I
> don't know, I can only guess.
> 
> My Lenovo desktop (2011) was triple-booting for many years. My FAT32
> partition there was "only" 4 GB. I had no problems in FreeDOS. When
> that hard disk started dying, I backed it up to (I think?) a 16 GB
> Lexar jump drive. (I have an older 1 GB Kingston jump drive that 
> still
> works perfectly, but that uses FAT16, which is inefficient.) I did
> actually see some copy problems and errors (in FreeDOS: FreeCOM, 
> etc),
> but I just halfway assumed it was a firmware bug and decided not to
> mess with that jump drive for active use (only for rarely grabbing
> backup files).
> 
> It could also be a FreeCOM bug. Or something else entirely. Or some
> combination of bugs. It could also be something to do with DOSLFN 
> (if
> you have that loaded). I don't know, just stating the obvious here:
> there's a lot of little pieces, and none of them are perfect.
> 
> I did create (empty) FAT16 and FAT32 (.VHD) files for MetaDOS. Not
> exhaustive, sizes can vary quite a bit, so there's a lot that can be
> tested. So, in theory, some bugs should be reproducible, if anyone
> wanted to try. I (barely) suspect that larger FAT32 drives haven't
> been tested as much for FreeDOS, at least not exhaustively 
> (utilities
> and whatnot). But it's also likely that the main bug here isn't in
> FreeDOS. It's very hard to iron out every obscure bug, especially 
> with
> so few testers and volunteers. FreeDOS works great but is not immune
> to bugs.
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[Dale E Sterner]

Ah a man with a true sense of justice.

cheers
DS


On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:29:53 +0100 Tom Ehlert 
writes:
> 
> >I have 2gigs of drive space used. It seems that move for
> >some reason thinks the drive is full.
> >
> >
> >I tried the copy command today and it worked. I don't understand 
> it.
> 
> as said before: unless you tell us the exact command that failed, 
> you are just
> producing noise.
> 
>  COPY *.* NEW
> 
> will work.
> 
>  COPY *.* NEW\*.*
> 
> will not. you might have indeed a memory problem.
> not the one that MEM reports, but the one between your ears.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I just picked the file at random because I think it had a
button command in it. Every time I type button it says
"can't find msg 1.6". I figure a written file would get it
right without the error. So where can I find a dos
version of FLTK. Sounds interesting. With your
extenive knowledge I was sure you would know what
msg 1.6 is. If you don't know who would.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:28:17 -0500 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 3:53 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if I still have the file; since it didn't work
> > I may have erased it. I probablely did.
> 
> I don't *care* if you still have the file.  I just wanted to know 
> what
> its *name* was, so I could look at it if I grabbed the DOS TCL
> distribution.  Is giving me the file name too difficult for you?
> 
> > Do you know what msg 1.6 is? It keeps asking for it.
> > If I had it then it might work.
> 
> I have no idea what it is.  I haven't looked.
> 
> > TK is the only interesting part of TCL.
> 
> TK is properly a separate package. TCL can use it to create GUIs, 
> but
> does not require it.  It has been incorporated into other things.
> There is a PerlTK, for example.
> 
> If all you are interested in is TK, look into the FLTK package used 
> to
> create some DOS app GUIs.
> 
> > I wonder if TCL/TK is related to TK solver.
> 
> Possible.  I don't know.
> 
> > cheers
> > DS
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I don't what happened to my copy command. Last try it worked
It is just move now that has a problem. I think TCL loaded something
that interfered with copy for awhile. I think "move" is affected by
the 2 gigs I have loaded; it thinks the drive is full for some reason.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:40:09 -0600 Jim Hall  writes:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:20 PM ZB  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 05:09:50PM -0500, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> >
> > > The different OS's all use the same ram. I just change the chip
> > > then boot. One computer, many OS's. Just change the
> > > chip - easy. If there were a problem, certainly one of
> > > them would report it.
> >
> > OK - it's what _I_ would do just to be 100% sure.
> >
> > Obviously your problem doesn't seem to be FreeDOS-related. Most 
> probably
> > it's the issue with (part of) hardware you're using
> > --
> 
> I agree, this is probably specific to the setup. I am able to copy
> large files (largest single file is 17MB) on FreeDOS, between
> different drives (D: to C:) and between different directories 
> (C:\TEMP
> to C:\TEMP\DIR2) and everything works fine.
> 
> COPY and XCOPY both work fine here.
> 
> I'm running FreeDOS 1.2 on QEMU.
> 
> 
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[Dale E Sterner]

Anything is possible.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:17:08 +0100 ZB  writes:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 05:09:50PM -0500, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > The different OS's all use the same ram. I just change the chip 
> > then boot. One computer, many OS's. Just change the
> > chip - easy. If there were a problem, certainly one of
> > them would report it.
> 
> OK - it's what _I_ would do just to be 100% sure.
> 
> Obviously your problem doesn't seem to be FreeDOS-related. Most 
> probably
> it's the issue with (part of) hardware you're using
> -- 
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The different OS's all use the same ram. I just change the chip 
then boot. One computer, many OS's. Just change the
chip - easy. If there were a problem, certainly one of
them would report it. Right now I'm using win 95, tomorrow
it could be xp or me on the same machine that I run DOS
on. I have at least 5 versions of dos that I run on this
computer. PCdos is my favorite.

cheers
DS

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 22:47:06 +0100 ZB  writes:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 04:46:43PM -0500, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > I use cf chips and run many OS's. None are showing
> > any problems.
> 
> I meant RAM - not your Compact Flash "HDD replacement"
> -- 
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[Dale E Sterner]

I use cf chips and run many OS's. None are showing
any problems.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 22:37:15 +0100 ZB  writes:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 04:33:07PM -0500, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > I have 2gigs of drive space used. It seems that move for
> > some reason thinks the drive is full. I tried the copy
> > command today and it worked. I don't understand it.
> 
> Maybe it's RAM-related issue? Faulty RAM may make programs 
> malfunctioning.
> You may want to test your RAM using Memtest86+ from "Linux System 
> Rescue CD"
> -- 
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[Dale E Sterner]

I thought of that but everything on one partition would be better.
Have you ever run into msg 1.6 which is what TCL8.69 keeps
asking for. If it had it then it might run.

cheers
DS

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:22:55 -0500 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:04 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > I used the mem command to check for freespace.
> > Currently I'm using PCdos 7.1; since it only works
> > on fat16 I'm running out of space fast.
> 
> What you will have to do is partition your 32GB drive to break out
> additional 2GB volumes. Assign drive letters an PCDOS should see 
> them
> and let you copy or move files to them.
> 
> Or switch to a different version of DOS.  I had FreeDOS installed in 
> a
> multiboot configuration on an old notebook, with Win2K Pro, two
> flavors of Linux, and FreeDOS.  I partitioned the drive.  The Win2K
> install got 20GB formatted NTFS, the Linux slices got 8GB each,
> formatted ext4, and FreeDOS got a 2GB slice formatted FAT32. (The
> remainder was for a swap partition used by Linux.)  It had no 
> problem
> with it being FAT32, and I could have given it a larger slice, but
> nothing I would install or use under FreeDOS needed a larger volume.
> 
> > cheers
> > DS
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[Dale E Sterner]

I have 2gigs of drive space used. It seems that move for
some reason thinks the drive is full. I tried the copy
command today and it worked. I don't understand it.

cheers
DS



On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 22:07:45 +0100 ZB  writes:
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:01:37AM -0500, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > Have you noticed that move, copy & xcopy refuse
> > to work on files bigger than 3 meg.
> 
> Just out of curiosity I created a ZIP archive of almost 4 MB size - 
> and
> I don't see any problems with copy neither with move. I can 
> copy/move the
> file on a whim.
> 
> Maybe RAM size may be your issue? I don't know the way copy/move 
> works;
> is it simply copying the file to memory first (as a whole) or "more
> intelligent" way copying/moving it byte-by-byte from one to other 
> location.
> 
> But I'm still using FreeDOS V1.0
> -- 
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[Dale E Sterner]

I 'm using fat32, the big plus for freedos.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:49:39 -0500 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 3:35 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > Tried copy again and this time it worked - including wildcards.
> > I've been running TCL for a week and maybe it did something
> > it shouldn't have. Still had trouble with the move command;
> > it comes back [Insufficient disk space in destination path]
> > I have 30 gigs of freespace. I have 2 gigs used out of 32 gigs.
> > Maybe it thinks 2 gigs is the limit for some reason?
> 
> What file system is on your CF card?
> 
> Remember that when DOS was first written, the maximum size of a 
> volume
> *was* 2GB.
> 
> That was a limitation of the FAT16 file system.  The smallest unit of
> disk DOS could address was the cluster.  Each cluster needed a unique
> address.  16 bit addressing meant a maximum of 65,536 unique cluster
> addresses.   The maximum size a cluster could be was imposed by the
> FORMAT command, and was 32K.  65,536 x 32 = .2,097,152‬, or a 2GB
> volume.
> 
> FAT32 was developed precisely to permit larger volumes as hard drives
> got higher capacities.
> 
> It sounds like something on your end thinks the volume size limit is
> the FAT16 2GB, and isn't aware of the other 30GB.
> 
> > DS
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[Dale E Sterner]

I used the mem command to check for freespace.
Currently I'm using PCdos 7.1; since it only works
on fat16 I'm running out of space fast.

cheers
DS




On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:39:33 +0100 Eric Auer  writes:
> 
> Hi Dale,
> 
> > I have 30 gigs of freespace. I have 2 gigs used out of 32 gigs.
> 
> Only FAT32 aware software will be able to notice when
> you have more than 2 GB of free disk space ;-)
> 
> Would be interesting to know which software already
> has support and which not. What did you use to check
> for free disk space? Apart from MOVE?
> 
> Eric
> 
> PS: Maybe TCL damaged some in-memory data of DOS and
> made it believe to run out of memory soon after back
> at the time when your COPY/XCOPY unexpectedly failed.
> 
> > Tried copy again and this time it worked - including wildcards.
> 
> > I've been running TCL for a week and maybe it did something
> > it shouldn't have. Still had trouble with the move command;
> > it comes back [Insufficient disk space in destination path]
> 
> > I have 30 gigs of freespace. I have 2 gigs used out of 32 gigs.
> > Maybe it thinks 2 gigs is the limit for some reason?
> 
> > Mem shows 597K conventional free, 30K Upper 0 reserved
> > 522,778K XMS, EMS is 32M.
> 
> > Ver gave "FreeCom version 0.84-pre2 XMS Swap [Aug 28 2006 
> 00:29:00]
> 
> > I was very suprised to see the copy command work today.
> > Right now I suspect TCL of changing something.
> 
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[Dale E Sterner]

I don't know if I still have the file; since it didn't work
I may have erased it. I probablely did.
Do you know what msg 1.6 is? It keeps asking for it.
If I had it then it might work.
TK is the only interesting part of TCL.
I wonder if TCL/TK is related to TK solver.

cheers
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:12:26 -0500 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 4:07 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > You can download TCL869 and play with it yourself.
> 
> I wanted to know which specific example file you had a problem with.
> How about actually answering the question?
> 
> > Its dos but seems to need windows in the background.
> > I wantn't to see what a radiobutton looked like.
> > I believe the examples were professionally written
> > a long time ago, now they're play toys.
> 
> TK is a graphic toolkit that provides widgets you can display from
> your code.  No surprise if those things really need Windows of 
> Linux.
> 
> You might want to look at the FLTK package being used for a few DOS
> GUI apps as something usable under DOS.  Getting the DOS port of TCL
> to use FLTK can be a learning experience for you.
> 
> > cheers
> > DS
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.2 move, copy & xcopy

[Dale E Sterner]

Tried copy again and this time it worked - including wildcards.
I've been running TCL for a week and maybe it did something
it shouldn't have. Still had trouble with the move command;
it comes back [Insufficient disk space in destination path]
I have 30 gigs of freespace. I have 2 gigs used out of 32 gigs.
Maybe it thinks 2 gigs is the limit for some reason?
Mem shows 597K conventional free, 30K Upper 0 reserved
522,778K XMS, EMS is 32M.
Ver gave "FreeCom version 0.84-pre2 XMS Swap [Aug 28 2006 00:29:00]
I was very suprised to see the copy command work today.
Right now I suspect TCL of changing something.

cheers
DS


On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:32:54 +0100 Eric Auer  writes:
> Hi Dale,
> 
> > I tried to move post.mp4 - a 3.5.meg file. - got insufficient 
> memory
> > error with move, copy & xcopy.
> 
> Both should not have problems with files up to at least 2 GB
> as long as you have enough free disk space. Please use MEM
> to provide information about how much memory you have free
> and of which type.
> 
> > The copy command sometimes has trouble with wildcard "*".
> > I tried copy *.* new\*.*  It copied only
> > one file then stopped,. xcopy worked.
> 
> Please be more specific about the example and check which
> command.com (FreeCOM, contains the COPY command) and which
> FreeDOS kernel version you are using.
> 
> > The edit command has limits on size;
> > had to use Wordperfect on one file. In 2015 Dennis talked
> > about using vedit but can't find a dos version.
> > In the new world large files are common.
> 
> Look at http://freedos.org/software/ which has a whole
> section about editors included with FreeDOS: I think for
> example SETEDIT can be used for really large files.
> 
> Regards, Eric
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.2 move, copy & xcopy

[Dale E Sterner]

You can download TCL869 and play with it yourself.
Its dos but seems to need windows in the background.
I wantn't to see what a radiobutton looked like.
I believe the examples were professionally written
a long time ago, now they're play toys.

cheers
DS



On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:53:00 -0500 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:57 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > I downloaded TCl 8.69 and have been playing with it.
> > They give you TCL example files to run. One interesting
> > file was about 1.5 meg. When I ran it, it would always
> > ask for msg 1.6 (whatever that is) so I tried to edit the
> > file to remove the part that made the error. The Freedos
> > editor said it was too big so I used wordperfect to do it,
> > which had zero problems doing it. Still got the message
> > with that part removed. Tried TCL 8.5 also; its examples
> > run wiithout the error but 8.5 doesn't have any of the TK
> > commands like buttons.
> 
> Which example file was this?  TCL is an interpreted script language.
> I am trying to imagine a TCL script language file that is 1.5MB in
> size and failing.  (You may well have one.  I've just never seen one
> that big.)
> 
> WordPerfect will certainly have no problems - programs like that
> assume large files and would have the coding to perform operations 
> on
> data that spanned CPU segments.  (You wouldn't fit a novel into 64K 
> of
> text.)  Text editors assumed program code as the source material, 
> and
> programming tended to be modular.  You didn't write one enormous
> monolithic file.  You broke your code up into modules that did
> specific things, and the compiler would compile the modules and the
> linker would put them together into an executable.  If the source 
> code
> for a program module exceeded 64K in size, you were arguably doing 
> it
> wrong and needed to refactor your code.
> 
> As mentioned, there are other DOS editors in the FreeDOS repo that 
> can
> handle larger files.  Even if you could find a DOS version of Vedit,
> it would be *extreme* overkill.  Vedit was notable because it could
> successfully edit files from hundreds of megabytes up to 2 
> *gigabytes*
> in size.  Most mere mortals will never need to do that.
> 
> > cheers
> > DS
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.2 move, copy & xcopy

[Dale E Sterner]

I'll have to try this on msdos 6.22 and pcdos 7.1. I'm sure I
used this command to transfer files from floppies to a 
harddrive directory. a:\*.* c:\new\*.*. It shouldn't make
any difference if A: is changed to c:
Its been awhile..

cheers
DS



On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:36:11 -0600 Jon Brase 
writes:
> copy on MS-DOS wasn't really meant for copying more than one file at 
> a time (which is why xcopy exists), and FreeDOS uses the same 
> command line syntax. Copy only accepts one destination file and 
> treats all other filenames on the command line as sources. Also, the 
> form new\*.* will expand to all the filenames *already in new*, if 
> any, so even if copy did take multiple destinations, throwing in 
> new\*.* for the destination would give you the results you expect 
> (it would overwrite existing files in new with copies of the source 
> files).
> Long story short, Microsoft meant for you to use xcopy for what 
> you're trying to do back in the day, and FreeDOS is no different. 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Dale E Sterner  
> Date: 11/12/2019  10:38  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.2 move, copy & xcopy 
> 
> I tried to move post.mp4 - a 3.5.meg file. - got insufficient memory
> error with move, copy & xcopy. The copy command sometimes
> has trouble with wildcard "*". I tried copy *.* new\*.*  It copied 
> only
> one file then stopped,. xcopy worked. The edit command has limits
> on size; had to use Wordperfect on one file. In 2015 Dennis talked
> about using vedit but can't find a dos version.
> In the new world large files are common.
> 
> 
> cheers
> DS


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.2 move, copy & xcopy

[Dale E Sterner]

I'm running FREEDOS 1.2 on a 32  gig cf chip which works
just like an IDE harddrive. Only about 2 gigs of the chip is
used, the rest is free space with a FAT 32 format.
I will check the things you mentioned.

Thanks
DS



On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:32:54 +0100 Eric Auer  writes:
> Hi Dale,
> 
> > I tried to move post.mp4 - a 3.5.meg file. - got insufficient 
> memory
> > error with move, copy & xcopy.
> 
> Both should not have problems with files up to at least 2 GB
> as long as you have enough free disk space. Please use MEM
> to provide information about how much memory you have free
> and of which type.
> 
> > The copy command sometimes has trouble with wildcard "*".
> > I tried copy *.* new\*.*  It copied only
> > one file then stopped,. xcopy worked.
> 
> Please be more specific about the example and check which
> command.com (FreeCOM, contains the COPY command) and which
> FreeDOS kernel version you are using.
> 
> > The edit command has limits on size;
> > had to use Wordperfect on one file. In 2015 Dennis talked
> > about using vedit but can't find a dos version.
> > In the new world large files are common.
> 
> Look at http://freedos.org/software/ which has a whole
> section about editors included with FreeDOS: I think for
> example SETEDIT can be used for really large files.
> 
> Regards, Eric
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.2 move, copy & xcopy

[Dale E Sterner]

I downloaded TCl 8.69 and have been playing with it.
They give you TCL example files to run. One interesting
file was about 1.5 meg. When I ran it, it would always
ask for msg 1.6 (whatever that is) so I tried to edit the
file to remove the part that made the error. The Freedos
editor said it was too big so I used wordperfect to do it,
which had zero problems doing it. Still got the message
with that part removed. Tried TCL 8.5 also; its examples
run wiithout the error but 8.5 doesn't have any of the TK
commands like buttons.

cheers
DS


On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 13:26:09 -0500 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:40 AM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> 
> > The edit command has limits  on size; had to use Wordperfect on 
> one file.
> > In 2015 Dennis talked about using vedit but can't find a dos 
> version.
> > In the new world large files are common.
> 
> Large files are common.  Large *text* files are not.
> 
> DOS editors from back when typically had a 64K size limit on the 
> size
> of a text file you could edit.  (IIRC, Win3X versions of Windows
> Notepad shared that limit.)  This was related to Intel segmented
> architecture.  On the 8088 CPU used in the early PCs, a segment was
> 64K.  Text editors held the file you were editing in a segment,
> assuming it was 64K or less in size.  Handling larger files required
> more complicated code to cross segment boundaries.  Most folks 
> editing
> plain text files were unlikely to deal with one larger than 64K, and
> most text editors saw no need to handle larger text files.
> 
> Just how big a file are you likely to need to edit?  What sort of 
> file
> is it, and why is it bigger than 64K?  And for that matter, do you
> need to *edit* it, or just *view* the contents?  If you just need to
> view a large file, you can look at something like the late Vern
> Buerg's LIST, or Mark Nudelman's LESS command, which originated in
> Unix and has a DOS port in the FreeDOS repository.  Both should 
> handle
> large files.
> 
> Vedit was noted for being able to edit enormous files.  The was at 
> one
> point a DOS version, but I have no idea where it might be found now,
> and you are extremely unlikely to need it.  (If you *do*, you are
> arguably doing it wrong.)
> 
> As Eric Auer commented, Setedit should edit large files.  So should
> TDE.  Both implemented cross segment addressing.
> 
> > cheers
> > DS
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.2 move, copy & xcopy

[Dale E Sterner]

I tried to move post.mp4 - a 3.5.meg file. - got insufficient memory
error with move, copy & xcopy. The copy command sometimes
has trouble with wildcard "*". I tried copy *.* new\*.*  It copied only
one file then stopped,. xcopy worked. The edit command has limits
on size; had to use Wordperfect on one file. In 2015 Dennis talked
about using vedit but can't find a dos version.
In the new world large files are common.


cheers
DS

 


On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:03:20 +0100 Tom Ehlert 
writes:
> 
> > Have you noticed that move, copy & xcopy refuse
> > to work on files bigger than 3 meg.
> No. And it's extremely unlikely that copy & xcopy fail in similar
> ways (they are entirely unrelated).
> 
> 
> 
> > I tried to relocate
> > an mp4 file and they all said "out of memory" or
> > was it "disk space";
> it would be helpful to SPELL OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID and
> WHAT THEY SAID. both copy, xcopy and move.
> 
> 
> > anyway I couldn't relocate it.
> > The copy command has trouble using wildcards
> > but xcopy doesn't.
> again: your bug reports are less then helpful.
> 
> 
> >  I hope that improves on version
> > 1.3.
> very unlikely. 1.3 changes the setup procedure; not much else.
> 
> the last changes to COMMAND.COM were 13 years back.
> 
> we have a documented (REN hurts) bug,  have a fix for this (increase
> stack size), and still no public binary 12 months later.
> looks like bug fixing stalled ~2005.
> 
> and given the quality of your bug reports: allow for some more 
> years.
> 
> Tom
> 
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[Freedos-user] Freedos 1.2 move, copy & xcopy

[Dale E Sterner]

Have you noticed that move, copy & xcopy refuse
to work on files bigger than 3 meg. I tried to relocate
an mp4 file and they all said "out of memory" or
was it "disk space"; anyway I couldn't relocate it.
The copy command has trouble using wildcards
but xcopy doesn't. I hope that improves on version
1.3.

cheers
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Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS

[Dale E Sterner]

I can see you have a lot of experience in this type of
thing. I was hoping to run Qpro and bring up reciepts
that had been scanned and view them with quickview or PV.
I run dos mostly to use qpro; a link to quickview would
add alot to qpro. A fast way to review numbers.

Many thanks.

cheers
DS



On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 19:08:22 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 4:03 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > I think you were saying that TCL was used to link programs 
> together.
> 
> Well, to tie them together.  Linking is a different thing.  You can
> think of TCL as a vastly more powerful version of a batch file,
> calling other programs from the script with execution guided by the
> results of previous calls.  (In DOS batch you can use things like 
> "if
> errorlevel" to determine the success or failure of a previous 
> process
> and do different things depending on whether or not the previous
> program succeeded.  Of course, this requires the programs you run 
> exit
> with a return code that DOS can store and access. Not all did.)
> 
> In Don Libes' Expect application written in TCL, I could to things
> like use TCL to spawn an application to communicate to a remote host
> that expected interactive execution, and use the TCL "expect" 
> command
> with a parameter of *what* to expect to grab the prompt from the 
> host
> and do the next thing needed in response, so I could log on to the
> remote host and run commands on it and collect results 
> automatically,
> and not have to be manually controlling the process.  (I had one job
> that ran at midnight, connected to a Unix host, and collected job
> status reports which it then sent along to an NT server that was
> accessible from the outside world so the clients could see the 
> status
> of what we were doing for them.  We *weren't* comfortable opening
> ports on our firewall to let them get directly to the Unix server, 
> and
> it wasn't necessary.  Just put the reports on a server they *could*
> get to and let them grab them.  And this happened automatically 
> while
> we all slept.
> 
> > Is it possible to use it to link qpro to quickview.
> > Could I open quickview while runing qpro.
> > If anyone would know it would be you.
> 
> Under a multi-tasking OS like Linux or Windows, likely.  Under a
> single tasking OS like DOS, likely *not*.
> 
> If it could be done, it would require suspending Qpro and opening
> Quickview.  I recall doing things like that in DOS using TSRs, where
> the TSR display opened over what the running program had on screen.
> The currently running program was suspended while the TSR ran, and
> when you left the TSR, execution resumed on the underlying program.
> Unless Quickview can be implemented as a TSR to pop up over QPro, I
> don't see this working.  And I assume you would want to do it
> interactively, and press something like a hotkey combo to pop up
> Quickview.  TCL can't do that for you.  It's intended for 
> *unattended*
> processing.
> 
> I'm afraid TCL isn't the tool for the job you want to do.
> 
> > cheers
> > DS
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[Dale E Sterner]

Dennis

I think you were saying that TCL was used to link programs
together. Is it possible to use it to link qpro to quickview.
Could I open quickview while runing qpro.
If anyone would know it would be you.


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Re: [Freedos-user] HP laptop touchpad

[Dale E Sterner]

I've had problem getting cutemouse to work on some PCs.
Try msmouse that is what I use when cutemouse doesn't
work. As far as usb goes check your bios setting, there is
often a bios setting for legacy OS so you can plug stuff
into a usb port and it converts to ps2.

cheers
DS



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> I have an old HP Pavillion dv6000 laptop that I’ve installed 
> Freedos on. I’m a unix guy and have very little experience with 
> dos, so bear with me if you could. Everything installed nicely, and 
> it certainly performs like a champ, however the Cutemouse driver 
> simply doesn’t work with the touchpad. I’ve tried flipping 
> various options with Cutemouse including horizontal and vertical 
> settings, etc with the same outcome: the arrow cursor just flips out 
> and zips around the screen at random. The bios on this thing has 
> zero options for the trackpad fyi. 
> 
> Is it possible to get a touchpad working with Cutemouse? Any 
> assistance would be greatly appreciated. 
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[Dale E Sterner]

Nice but I like Dennis' s version better.
I think I detect a little bit of ego, here.

cheers
DS



On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 10:53:30 -0400 Wayne Dernoncourt 
writes:
> I used Tck & Tk along BLT (not Bell Lab Tech) to automate the 
> generation of X-Y plots from CSV files generated by legacy Unix 
> FOTRAN code, it also ran on Win97 boxes (~15 years ago). Really 
> great stuff.
> 
> This clown speaks for himself
> 
> > On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > 
> > I really hate to show my ignorance but asking dumb
> > questions is the only way to learn. What is Tcl for DOS
> > and what is it used for..
> > 
> > cheers
> > DS
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:55:38 -0700 Ben Collver 
> 
> > writes:
> >> I recently built Tcl for DOS using DJGPP.  This is based on the 
> work 
> >> of 
> >> Georg Potthast and Viktor Wagner.  These builds include Ck and 
> >> Sqlite. 
> >> Below are download links for Tcl 8.5.19 and Tcl 8.6.9.
> >> 
> >> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.5.19-for-dos
> >> 
> >> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.6.9-for-dos
> >> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS

[Dale E Sterner]

Super explaination - thanks.

cheers
DS


On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 10:34:07 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 1:13 AM Rugxulo  wrote:
> 
> > It seems you're aware of existing builds mirrored to iBiblio. (It 
> was
> > most likely me who mirrored those, for completeness, but honestly 
> I've
> > never used Tcl and don't know of many apps using it. Still, it 
> sounds
> > promising.)
> 
> TCL is a script language originally created by Dr. John Ousterhout,
> who is currently a Professor of Computer Science at Stamford
> University.  It's a glue language intended to tie other apps 
> together
> in a framework  One popular usage is building test harnesses for
> software testing efforts by QA engineers.   The best known usage of
> TCL is probably Expect, an application created by Don Libes at the
> National Bureau of Standards. Libes built it out of TCL to permit
> automated communications between systems that could normally only be
> communicated with manually, by parsing responses from remote systems
> and sending whata was expected based on them.  (I've used it to do
> that.)  TCL also developed a graphical toolkit called TK which has
> subsequently been applied elsewhere, like the FLTK toolkit used for
> one of the DOS GUI efforts.
> 
> I'm fascinated by the inclusion of Sqlite.  That's a *very* widely
> used SQL compliant relational database implemented as a single
> library.  (Among other things, it's what Firefox uses to store
> bookmarks and history among other things - the bookmarks/history 
> file
> is an SQLite database.
> 
> Having a working SQLite port for DOS is an "Oh! Cool!" moment.  Lots
> of possibilities there.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS

[Dale E Sterner]

I really hate to show my ignorance but asking dumb
questions is the only way to learn. What is Tcl for DOS
and what is it used for..

cheers
DS


On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:55:38 -0700 Ben Collver 
writes:
> I recently built Tcl for DOS using DJGPP.  This is based on the work 
> of 
> Georg Potthast and Viktor Wagner.  These builds include Ck and 
> Sqlite. 
> Below are download links for Tcl 8.5.19 and Tcl 8.6.9.
> 
> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.5.19-for-dos
> 
> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.6.9-for-dos
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Re: [Freedos-user] why isn't anyone answering my question?

[Dale E Sterner]

I don't use Linux but really should. Why can't some of their
people update FREEDOS. I think the old NTFS was readable
but they made updates that made it more of a mystery.

cheers
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On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:16:35 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > NTFS & exfat are microsoft inventions. Not many people understand 
> NTFS
> > much less be able to read it with non microsoft software. I think 
> its
> 
> This is news to Linux and all the BSD variants.  They've been able 
> to read 
> & write NTFS and exfat filesystems for YEARS.
> 
> g.
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Re: [Freedos-user] why isn't anyone answering my question?

[Dale E Sterner]

NTFS & exfat are microsoft inventions. Not many people understand NTFS
much less be able to read it with non microsoft software. I think its
impossible to copy NTFS systems without microsoft help.
If you are good with tools like I am; you could set up a non virtual
system to run Freedos and any other OS you want.
Do like me run your OS off cf chips then your usb would work
on FREEDOS and you can read SD chips. so long as they are
fat16 or fat32. Copy your NTFS files to an sd chip formated
in fat32 or fat16 then you should be able to read them.


cheers
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:43:15 +0800 kaye n  writes:
> By the way, I emailed my question to 
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> about two days ago.  Isn't that the address where I can send 
> questions to?
> Many thanks.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 7:34 PM HTV04 .  
> wrote:
> 
> > What’s your question?
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 7:30 AM kaye n  wrote:
> >
> >> Hello? Anyone there?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Need help reformatting disk for clean install of FreeDOS

[Dale E Sterner]

One thought, you could replace your c: drive with
a cf chip from Komputerbay on Amazon. Just
pull out the old hard drive and replace it with an
IDE adapter and cf chip. You can save your old
c: drive so can get back your old system by
just plugging it back in, if you ever want 98 back.

cheers
DS


On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:19:59 -0400 "HTV04 ." 
writes:
> I would like to do a clean install of FreeDOS though, and makes sure 
> the C:
> partition is completely wiped by doing a full format on it and 
> reinstalling
> FreeDOS.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 7:17 AM Eric Auer  
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Actually if YOU have no problem with Windows 98 files
> > still being on your FreeDOS C: drive, then there is no
> > need to format, partition or delete anything. Of course
> > you are free to use the normal DOS commands to delete
> > those files which you no longer need. You could even
> > install a boot manager and make Win98 and DOS available
> > as boot time choices, with some additional tricks.
> >
> > I think Mercury assumed that you had problems booting
> > DOS after installing and that you wanted to completely
> > get rid of all other operating systems and data on the
> > disk, so he gave you the steps for that.
> >
> > Regards, Eric
> >
> > > Thanks for advice! I don’t want to mess with my current 
> partitions
> > though.
> > > Is there a way I can just format the existing C: partition (with 
> the
> > format
> > > command)?
> > >
> > > And should I do this from the CD-ROM? If so, how?
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] ot: run time issues?

[Dale E Sterner]

Thats the version I heard. When I use to program our
DART I used do-loops for time delay.I heard there was a PASCAL
command still doing it. Very old fashion, it worked in the
very old days.

cheers
DS


On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:47:23 -0700 Ralf Quint 
writes:
> On 6/15/2019 6:54 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> > Pascal uses do-loops to get time delays.
> > As the computers get faster the do-loops get shorter
> > and finally fail. I use a tp program downloaded from
> > the web to prevent this.
> nonsense...
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Re: [Freedos-user] ot: run time issues?

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Pascal uses do-loops to get time delays.
As the computers get faster the do-loops get shorter
and finally fail. I use a tp program downloaded from
the web to prevent this.


cheers
DS


On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 12:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen
 writes:
> If that is the German  one, then I found it.
> Two problems, first because the output is in German, I cannot tell 
> if 
> using it produces any results.
> Second, my reading of the purpose suggests it might not work at all  
> if 
> the machine  is faster than a Pentium II, which mine most certainly 
> is.
> Lastly  I am   unclear what makes this a turbal pascal error 
> solution when 
> the  reference is to  borden? pascal 7 or higher.  granted divide 0 
> does 
> not appear in  my error message, which may put it in the 7 range. 
> regardless I require a patch that works in English.
> If this program does I will try again.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019, Mateusz Viste wrote:
> 
> > On 14/06/2019 06:49, Ralf Quint wrote:
> >>  I just had a quick look and did not find that program to patch 
> 3rd party
> >>  programs where I thought I had a copy of it.
> >
> > No need to look into backups, tppatch is widely available on the 
> web. First 
> > google hit points to this: http://www.ipnet6.org/tppatch.html
> >
> > Mateusz
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] To install FreeDOS by using floppy disks only?

[Dale E Sterner]

Since you are starting from scratch; you might look into
replacing your tiny 4 gb hard drive with a 32 gig CF chip
which you can get on Amazon from Komputerbay. Since DOS
unlike windows can be installed on any computer then
moved to the computer you want; you might look for
another more usable machine to install it, then transfer it.
32 gigs really isn't alot if you use dos alot, it fills up with
alot of junk fast. A few mp4 movies and you'll start running 
out of space.

cheers
DS



On Thu, 23 May 2019 20:34:34 +0200 =?UTF-8?B?Q3PDoW55aSBQw6Fs?=
 writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have an old laptop on which the
> CD drive is faulty so can't be used to install FreeDos to the 4 GB 
> HDD
> out there.
> The USB stick can't be used either because this hardware can't be
> booted from the USB.
> It has FDD so can I install the FreeDos by using floppy disks only?
> 
> It can be booted from the FDD only at present.
> The HDD does not have any bootable system on it.
> 
> Can I isntall on this machine the FreeDOS by using floppy disks 
> only?
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Freedos-user] lfndos crashing...

[Dale E Sterner]

Is your win 2000 on fat32 or NTFS.
NTFS was made to resist coping.
I copied xp sp2 to flash without problems.
The XP was on Fat32 not NTFS.
Later versions of Ghost claim to copy
NTFS but it never worked for me. It
always failed.


cheers
DS






On Thu, 09 May 2019 16:45:32 + mich...@robinson-west.com writes:
> DosZip commander sees the long filenames on the Windows 2000 C drive, 
> but when I try to copy these files to an external USB
> hard drive I run into errors. Short of opening the case, I don't 
> think I can use GHOST on the external drive as the restore target.
> I also think the internal hard drive controller is EIDE and not 
> SATA.


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Re: [Freedos-user] USB & dos

[Dale E Sterner]

To make copies I use Ghost 2001 and the famous Panasonic dos usb driver.
You should be able to boot up with the floppy and copy to usb flash.
Later versions of Ghost were big duds. Copied 32 gigs yesterday;
took 5 hours. Plan for a long coffee break.


cheers
DS


On Wed, 08 May 2019 15:04:49 + mich...@robinson-west.com writes:
> The standard rescue disk for Norton Ghost is PC-DOS based.  I have 
> developed a Freedos alternative
> boot disk and I'm asking about the video card because of suggestions 
> that freedos cannot support
> restoring a ghost image to a usb hard drive.  Linux has been 
> suggested by Eric because of the lack
> of USB hard drive support in FreeDOS and it looks like I need a dos 
> based bootloader that can 
> chainload Windows 2000.  The intel video card and touchscreen 
> require the panel.exe driver in 
> Freedos to work.
> 
> As far as Windows 2000 support, Windows 2000 isn't supported by 
> Microsoft and if there was a free alternative
> that is a drop in replacement I'd try it.  ReactOS in theory would 
> work, but it's still in alpha and not meant
> for everyday use.
> 
> May 8, 2019 9:36 AM, "Tom Ehlert"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> >> The Agilent e5061a belongs to the company I'm working for and is
> >> only two channel. 
> > 
> > this mailing list is about FreeDOS, and not the Agilent e5061a or
> > Windows 2000 support group.
> > 
> > you may help him, but please do so on private channels; the 
> FreeDOS
> > community is not going to learn anything out of this discussion.
> > 
> > thanks
> > Tom
> > 
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Re: [Freedos-user] New FASM and NASM versions available

[Dale E Sterner]

What OS is required to run this new assemblier.

cheers
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 19:30:46 +0200 Eric Auer  writes:
> 
> Hi, forwarding from BTTR forum:
> 
> > https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=15910
> 
> On 26 December 2018 the NASM development team released version 
> 2.14.02.
> 
> Home page: http://www.nasm.us/
> Download: https://www.nasm.us/pub/nasm/releasebuilds/2.14.02/
> Changelog: http://www.nasm.us/doc/nasmdocc.html
> 
> Changes since last announcement (version 2.13.02):
> 
> ... (see BTTR or NASM website)
> 
> > https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=15911
> 
> On 19 April 2019 Tomasz Grysztar released version 1.73.11.
> 
> Home page: https://flatassembler.net/
> Download: https://flatassembler.net/download.php
> 
> Changes:
> 
> ... (see BTTR)
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3-RC1

[Dale E Sterner]

Excuse me but I don't know what FREEDOS 1.3-RC1 is or what it can do.
It sounds important.

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On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:50:12 -0500 Jerome Shidel 
writes:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> We really do want to hear your opinions on which LiveCD we should 
> keep.
> 
> They both have very specific advantages and disadvantages.
> 
> Just to pick a couple.
> 
> CD1 can run with 64MB of ram and can use GBs. It also uses very 
> little space on the CD.
> 
> CD2 is probably more compatible (CD1 doesn’t run under QEMU). It 
> needs 128mb of ram. More RAM is unused. It requires a good chunk of 
> real estate on the CD (50mb). But, it starts a little faster too.
> 
> Make sure you download them, try them out, and let us know your 
> thoughts. Because 1 of them will be discontinued with RC2.
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

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Thanks for giving it straight. I was thinking TRIM was a kind
of screen saver for hard drives, keeping over worked cells
from being burned out. I never though about speed since
all cells in solid state devices are accessed at the same speed
no matter where they are on the drive, but they can be damaged
by over use.

cheers
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:19:22 +0100 Eric Auer  writes:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> > Good explanation Thanks
> 
> Not really...
> 
> > In other word TRIM keeps the cells from being over worked,
> > so each cell takes part of the load. This is very new to me.
> 
> No, the disk already distributes the stress automatically.
> But knowing which areas of the disk are currently unused
> helps to do that more efficiently. So it is good but really
> optional if operating system drivers or tools help SSD users
> by providing TRIM data.
> 
> > How can I tell if TRIM is present. Is there a file called 
> trim.exe.
> 
> No there is not. Please read the article first:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM
> 
> As you can see, TRIM is something reported by the SSD as
> being supported or not. And the filesystem driver may or
> may not provide TRIM data, while tools such as hdparm or
> mdtrim help you to manually provide such data.
> 
> You also see that some drives even have bugs in their TRIM
> support which makes Linux AVOID sending them TRIM data :-p
> 
> You can read the data sheet of your SSD or use tools such
> as Linux hdparm to find out whether your SSD can make use
> of TRIM information if it is available. In that case, you
> can try to use Windows or Linux tools for FAT filesystems
> from time to time to update the TRIM info, or you could
> work towards making special defrag, chkdsk or dosfsck tool
> versions for DOS and add extensions for creation of TRIM.
> 
> Again, it does NOT create any real problem for you to use
> SSD which support TRIM in DOS which does not support TRIM.
> You might have a few percent speed loss of your SSD might
> age a few percent faster, but that is all. You already have
> huge speed losses by using DOS at all because you probably
> have a multi core 64 bit processor, huge RAM and your SSD
> probably supports protocol extensions for multithreaded I/O,
> none of which is supported by DOS anyway - it ignores those.
> 
> So given all the hardware power which you are knowingly
> not using because you limit yourself to DOS, you really
> should not worry about that little bit of TRIM tuning.
> 
> Regards, Eric
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

[Dale E Sterner]

Good explanation Thanks
In other word TRIM keeps the cells from being over worked,
so each cell takes part of the load. This is very new to me.
How can I tell if TRIM is present. Is there a file called trim.exe.

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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:18:48 +0100 Tom Ehlert 
writes:
> >> Trim sounds like the old standard "defrag program" which should
> >> be unneeded for flash since all bits get accessed at the same 
> speed.
> >> No spinning disk to move around on.
> wrong.
> 
> > Trim is used for equal usage of memory-cells. It is a mechanism to 
> 
> > support round-robin usage of those cells.
> wrong, too.
> 
> the drives firmware is responsible  to round-robin usage of those
> cells anyway. it works even on (almost) full disks, too.
> 
> with an OS that doesn't support TRIM, after a while the drive thinks
> that all sectors are in use as they have been written at least once.
> 
> TRIM (capital letters) is a way for the OS to tell the drives 
> firmware
> which sectors are no longer in use. round-robin usage is made easier 
> if
> there is more free space available, but works even on completely 
> full
> disks as the disk always reserves some space for internal use that 
> is
> not visible on the outside. lookup overprovisioning.
> 
> Tom
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS on SSD

[Dale E Sterner]

Dennis
I'm a little behind the times so can you correct my mistakes here.
SSD stands for "solid state drive" which is flash memory with
a SATA interface. This should be the same as using a CF chip
with a SATA adapter.
Trim sounds like the old standard "defrag program" which should
be unneeded for flash since all bits get accessed at the same speed.
No spinning disk to move around on.

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 15:45:00 -0500 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:50 PM Rugxulo  wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 5:23 AM Raymond Bathurst 
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommend an IDIOT-proof method of installing FreeDOS 
> 1.2 on
> > > a fixed SSD drive (with no OS) via one of several USB ports ?
> >
> > I don't have any SSDs, though, and you need an OS with "TRIM" 
> support
> > (which apparently even OpenBSD lacks).
> 
> What TRIM does is mark SSD cells for collection and reuse.  But you
> could probably run DOS off an SSD for the life of the PC you used
> without ever doing a TRIM operation, and never see any issues.  Lack
> of TRIM support is *not* a problem.
> 
> Current SSD development aims to make TRIM unnecessary in any case.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Looking for Video Player (open source?)

[Dale E Sterner]

You have to pay for the full verion of quickview but its worth the money.
Even plays MP4. The number keys don't work for mp4 like it does
for avi but the s key does; you can save 1 frame from a movie.

cheers
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 08:19:00 -0400 Don Flowers  writes:
> I use one that is not open source but plays just about every codec 
> you
> named.
> 
> http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/
> 
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 1:59 AM Mateusz Viste 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:18:43 +0200, Pär Moberg wrote:
> > > Den tor 4 okt. 2018 16:11Mateusz Viste  
> skrev:
> > >> There was a very good DOS port of MPlayer floating around few 
> years
> > >> ago. No hardware acceleration support of course, but on a fast 
> CPU it
> > >> was able to decode movies nicely.
> > >
> > > You mean the one in the freedos package repository?
> >
> > I may have packaged it at the time, yes.
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] rcal v1.0

[Dale E Sterner]

Is there an ibiblio mirror for this?

DS


On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:02:45 + (UTC) Mateusz Viste
 writes:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Following a short discussion recently on one of the FreeDOS mailing 
> lists, I noticed that there is not much choice when it comes to 
> 8086-
> compatible, free (libre) calculators under DOS. I decided to fill 
> this 
> gap, and created rcal.
> 
> http://rcal.sourceforge.net
> 
> Not sure it will be useful to anyone, but here it is. And it works.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

I don't have any love for Windows; would rather use dos.
One way is to rewrite xtalk; the other is to build or buy a
converter - usb to RS232 and back.
One reason dos software is so difficult to make is because
you don't have the special commands needed. In the very
old days you could get them from the factory - no more.
If you had the commands you could get a usb bluetooth
donegal to work just like windows does. Put it on a cable
and splice a tap on it. Might work.

cheers
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> On Wed, 4 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > The bad thing about Crosstalk is that it only works
> > on RS232 now extinct. At work I'd splice in an extra
> > link on RS232 lines to our samplers. Xtalk was able
> > to capture secret command codes known only
> > to the factory. With them I could control the samplers
> > wothout factory software. Then came usb and
> > xtalk was useless. With the source code I was hoping
> > I was hoping to make xtalk work on usb.
> >
> If you want to sniff USB serial traffic on Windows, you can use 
> PortMon - 
> it comes with windows.
> 
> Here's a tool you can use for raw packet capture (again, Windows):
> http://desowin.org/usbpcap/tour.html
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

The bad thing about Crosstalk is that it only works
on RS232 now extinct. At work I'd splice in an extra
link on RS232 lines to our samplers. Xtalk was able
to capture secret command codes known only
to the factory. With them I could control the samplers
wothout factory software. Then came usb and
xtalk was useless. With the source code I was hoping
I was hoping to make xtalk work on usb.

cheers
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On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 04:57:55 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:48 PM Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they
> > would sell me a copy of the source code and let
> > me make changes for personal use only.
> > It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't
> > the office find one; it seems a simple job.
> > Their reply was that they couldn't find anything,
> > How is that possible? They never asked for
> > more imformation.
> 
> What if it never *had* a copyright registered?
> 
> For the Copyright Office to be aware of it and have records, someone
> would have had to file for a registration, submitted a couple of
> copies, and paid a fee.
> 
> I very much doubt anyone did.  Stuff like that is usually handled as 
> a
> trade secret.  It's protected because no one else can get access to
> it.  If what you are writing is source code for proprietary software
> you intend to *sell*, that's usually what you *want*.
> 
> Crosstalk was a product of Crosstalk Communications, in Atlanta, GA.
> up till 1990.  Yhey were bought by Digital Communications 
> Associates,
> which issued Crosstalk till 1994.  DCA was subsequently bought by
> Bellevue, WA based Attachmate, which was also in the terminal 
> emulator
> business, and they subsequently merged with WRQ..  I used Crosstalk 
> at
> home, and WRQ software in a corporate setting.
> 
> Heaven knows if the Crosstalk source still *exists*, who has access 
> if
> it does, and who would be legally authorized to sell it to you.  
> Even
> if you could find that person, I doubt they'd sell.
> 
> I went around this elsewhere with a guy who is doing a replacement 
> for
> the Busybox package with the first target being Android.  (Android
> developers are using what he is doing internally.)  One missing 
> piece
> was awk, which is required by various other things.  Awk was written
> at AT&T Bell Labs by Alfred Aho, Thomas Weinberger, and Brian
> Kernighan as a component of Unix.  AT&T Bell Labs was spun off an
> became part of Lucent Technologies.  Lucent later merged with French
> telecom outfit Alcatel.
> 
> Aho, Weinberger, and Kernighan's original source for awk is 
> available.
> Brian is a Professor of Computer Science at Princeton University 
> these
> days.  I asked, and *he'd* be delighted if it got used for this, but
> while the source is available, the *rights* are up in the air.
> Technically, Alcatel/Lucent currently holds them, but no one there 
> is
> likely to even be aware of it and heaven know what would happen if
> they were asked.
> 
> The chap doing the Busybox replacement has been around the licensing
> block on other stuff, and won't use it unless he has clear 
> documented
> legal rights to do so, so he's going to have to roll his own awk
> implementation.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

Dennis:
I just knew you would come up with some good stuff.


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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

It has become a complex world. Some people like me
get really confused by it.
Do you know anything about Gif and LZW; I understand
that are now free to use any time you want?
If they were copyrights then I would think they would
still be covered but if they were patents they could be free
by now.

cheers
DS


On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 06:10:33 -0400 Jerome Shidel 
writes:
> 
> > On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > [...]
> > If I was a drug copany or inventor; I'd try to get a copyright
> > rather then a patent. I'd type the description out on a type 
> writter
> > an register it. No generic drugs for years.
> > 
> 
> Then there are Patents. 
> 
> At first glance, a patent may seem to be the same kind of thing as a 
> copyright.
> But, it is a completely different thing and is not interchangeable.
> 
> How does a patent differ from a copyright?
> 
> Well, the core difference is a thing is copyrighted. An idea or 
> process of a 
> thing is patented. 
> 
> Lets take software patents and copyrights as an example. Basically...
> 
> A piece of software is a implementation of an idea and cannot be 
> reproduced
> in whole or in part without the permission of the copyright holder. 
> 
> A software patent is the idea of how to do something. That idea 
> cannot be 
> cannot be preformed without the permission of the patent holder.
> 
> An example of a patent, in modern software is “Swipe to Unlock” 
> on mobile phones.
> Someone came up with the idea that this would be a cool way to 
> unlock the phones
> user interface and got a patent for that idea. It is an idea or 
> process.  A copyright on a
> single implementation would not protect the inventor of “Swipe to 
> Unlock” from having 
> their idea stolen. They are nearly infinite ways to write such code. 
> 
> So, you would register a trademark for the name ‘Swipe to 
> Unlock’ to prevent anyone 
> form using that name. Patent the idea of how to unlock a phone using 
> a sideways swiping 
> gesture. And finally, copyright your implementation of the code to 
> actually perform 
> a phone unlock with a swipe.
> 
> These are completely independent and separate concepts from each 
> other.
> 
> Personally, I’m all for Trademarks and Copyrights. Patents on the 
> other hand, I’ve got mixed
> feelings. They have their good points and bad points. I think the 
> patent system could use
> a major overhaul.
> 
> Jerome
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

Great explaination.
Maybe you should post it on your web site.
I think maybe software should get a new catagory.
Books and music can last for centuries.
Software can have a very short lifespan.
Software is often abadoned completely and the
law should be changed to reflect this.


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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

I know that - just making fun of it
.
But if you did copyright an invention or drug by description,
then when someone applied for a patend they'd have
to use that description to apply and you could sue them
for copyright violation for using your matterial.

Just humor.

cheers
DS

On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 13:28:02 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > If I was a drug copany or inventor; I'd try to get a copyright
> > rather then a patent. I'd type the description out on a type 
> writter
> > an register it. No generic drugs for years.
> >
> That's not how Copyright works.  Please use Google.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

Thank you
This should be a quiz show question.
I wonder how many could answer it.

DS



On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:19:42 -0400 Jerome Shidel 
writes:
> 
> > On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:
> > [..]
> > In the US (and in many other countries) copyright exists the 
> moment
> > you create sometime and put your name to it. The US government 
> does
> > *not* need to keep a record of it in order for copyright to 
> happen.
> > From the US Copyright Office FAQ:
> > 
> > When is my work protected?
> > Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created 
> and
> > fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or
> > with the aid of a machine or device.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > *Note: the correct spelling is "copyright" because the creator has 
> the
> > RIGHT to say how a COPY is made.
> 
> Yep… 
> 
> As a software creator, I looked into this years ago. This was
> my interpretation of what I discovered.
> 
> US copyright law regarding software is similar to that regarding the 
> 
> written word (Books, Magazines and etc). It is protected by 
> copyright at the moment of creation. 
> 
> If I were to start writing a program and put my name in the initial 
> comments, it would instantly fall under copyright law. In fact, 
> while 
> I typed on the keyboard, each new keypress would be protected.
> 
> Unfortunately…
> 
> Although publishing the work can at least establish the date the 
> protected 
> work was created, it is only a partial solution. Without registering 
> the 
> copyrighted work with the US Copyright Office, the holder of the 
> copyright will
> be on a poor legal footing and have a difficult time enforcing
> any copyright violations committed against their work.
> 
> Jerome
> 
> ( This message is Copyright 2018 Jerome Shidel.  It its being 
> licensed 
> as a Public Domain work. You may reproduce this work in whole or
> in part. )
> 
> :-)
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

I read your link, very eye opening. Very few people
are aware of this. I once paid a lawyer $30 to explain
copyrights to me. Even he got it wrong - very wrong.
By the way I'm a horrible speller, always have been.

If I was a drug copany or inventor; I'd try to get a copyright
rather then a patent. I'd type the description out on a type writter
an register it. No generic drugs for years.


cheers
DS


On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 13:37:25 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> >> On 7/2/2018 7:58 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> >> > Which doesn't explain why the copywright
> >> > office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk"
> >> > which was after 1978.
> 
> > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:28:38 -0700 Ralf Quint 
>  wrote:
> >> Which is nonsense to begin with, as there simply can't be any DOS
> >> software before 1981, the year the first MS/PC-DOS version came 
> out.
> >> That means that any software, that hasn't been specifically put 
> into
> >> Public Domain is under copyright for at least 70 years...
> >>
> >> Also, what is that copywrite/copywright office you keep talking
> >> about?
> >> If you're dealing with legal issues, it really pays to be 
> precise...
> 
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> > My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they
> > would sell me a copy of the source code and let
> > me make changes for personal use only.
> > It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't
> > the office find one; it seems a simple job.
> > Their reply was that they couldn't find anything,
> > How is that possible? They never asked for
> > more imformation.
> 
> In the US (and in many other countries) copyright exists the moment
> you create sometime and put your name to it. The US government does
> *not* need to keep a record of it in order for copyright to happen.
> From the US Copyright Office FAQ:
> 
> When is my work protected?
> Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and
> fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or
> with the aid of a machine or device.
> 
> <https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork>
> 
> 
> *Note: the correct spelling is "copyright" because the creator has 
> the
> RIGHT to say how a COPY is made.
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

I can see I found a real expert.
So what is the point of having a copyright office.
We could save a lot of tax money getting rid of it.
Also why don't they do patents the same way.
Then is there anything out there that is public domain.


cheers
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 13:37:25 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> >> On 7/2/2018 7:58 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> >> > Which doesn't explain why the copywright
> >> > office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk"
> >> > which was after 1978.
> 
> > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:28:38 -0700 Ralf Quint 
>  wrote:
> >> Which is nonsense to begin with, as there simply can't be any DOS
> >> software before 1981, the year the first MS/PC-DOS version came 
> out.
> >> That means that any software, that hasn't been specifically put 
> into
> >> Public Domain is under copyright for at least 70 years...
> >>
> >> Also, what is that copywrite/copywright office you keep talking
> >> about?
> >> If you're dealing with legal issues, it really pays to be 
> precise...
> 
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> > My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they
> > would sell me a copy of the source code and let
> > me make changes for personal use only.
> > It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't
> > the office find one; it seems a simple job.
> > Their reply was that they couldn't find anything,
> > How is that possible? They never asked for
> > more imformation.
> 
> In the US (and in many other countries) copyright exists the moment
> you create sometime and put your name to it. The US government does
> *not* need to keep a record of it in order for copyright to happen.
> From the US Copyright Office FAQ:
> 
> When is my work protected?
> Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and
> fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or
> with the aid of a machine or device.
> 
> <https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork>
> 
> 
> *Note: the correct spelling is "copyright" because the creator has 
> the
> RIGHT to say how a COPY is made.
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedos-user} copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

My goal was to find the legal owner and see if they
would sell me a copy of the source code and let
me make changes for personal use only.
It has to have a copywrite on it so why didn't
the office find one; it seems a simple job.
Their reply was that they couldn't find anything,
How is that possible? They never asked for
more imformation.

DS



On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:28:38 -0700 Ralf Quint 
writes:
> On 7/2/2018 7:58 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > Which doesn't explain why the copywright
> > office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk"
> > which was after 1978. 
> Which is nonsense to begin with, as there simply can't be any DOS
> software before 1981, the year the first MS/PC-DOS version came out.
> That means that any software, that hasn't been specifically put into
> Public Domain is under copyright for at least 70 years...
> 
> Also, what is that copywrite/copywright office you keep talking 
> about?
> If you're dealing with legal issues, it really pays to be precise...
> 
> Ralf
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software

[Dale E Sterner]

According to your very useful link.
Before Jan 1 1978, copywrights had to be
renewed or they expired to public domain.
After that you no longer had to renew, it
was automatic. Anything before 1/1/78
is now public if it wasn't renewed.
Which doesn't explain why the copywright
office didn't find anything for "Crosstalk"
which was after 1978. I asked them for the
present owner and a mailing address for them.
"Could not locate anything"; no longer seems
to be a resonable answer. They took my
money; they should have given it to me.
How can you get permission from an owner,
if you can't find the SOB.


DS




On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 07:13:12 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > I only know what the report said. Laws may have changed.
> > A woman I know who writes music  said
> > she has to renew her stuff once in awhile.
> > How can you have a copywrite if you don't
> > register it with some goverment some where.
> >
> *sigh*  I give up.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] copywrites

[Dale E Sterner]

Read your supplied link; your dead right.
Either the law changed or someone in
the copywrite office didn't do their job. They
should have had a record of it even if
it expired. Anything before Jan 1 1978 does
have to be renewed or else.
I think it's unfair that copywrites last for so long
while patents don't. Under those rules
there would never be any generic drugs.

DS



On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 16:35:50 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > Copywrite office replied that they couldn't find any
> > record of it. It was old and they purged it. Copywrites can
> > last almost forever if you keep renewing it.
> > I had to pay for their reseach time; at least it
> > wasn't a fortune. I was sweating a $1,000 bill.
> > They simply bill you for their work; you don't know
> > what it could be.
> 
> Renewal of a copyright isn't required - nor is registering one with 
> the 
> government.
> 
> https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html
> 
> You (and after reading the above link, likely your children) will be 
> long 
> dead before CrossTalk enters the public domain.
> 
> g.
> 
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> 
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[Freedos-user] source codes

[Dale E Sterner]

If you are looking for good dos source code; you might
contact the guy who wrote dos PV (picture view)
He seems to have lost interest in it. He might give you
the source for someone else to continue. He did a
nice job on it but still needs improvements.

cheers
DS


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Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software

[Dale E Sterner]

I only know what the report said. Laws may have changed.
A woman I know who writes music  said
she has to renew her stuff once in awhile.
How can you have a copywrite if you don't
register it with some goverment some where.


DS

.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 16:35:50 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > Copywrite office replied that they couldn't find any
> > record of it. It was old and they purged it. Copywrites can
> > last almost forever if you keep renewing it.
> > I had to pay for their reseach time; at least it
> > wasn't a fortune. I was sweating a $1,000 bill.
> > They simply bill you for their work; you don't know
> > what it could be.
> 
> Renewal of a copyright isn't required - nor is registering one with 
> the 
> government.
> 
> https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html
> 
> You (and after reading the above link, likely your children) will be 
> long 
> dead before CrossTalk enters the public domain.
> 
> g.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] DISKCOPY to disk larger than image

[Dale E Sterner]

Did he say it was in image format like iso.
Disk copy will only copy to another
disk with the same format ie fat32 to fat32.
Even if it was an image; xcopy would copy
the image just not break it down into
programs and files.


cheers
DS


On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > Try xcopy instead.
> >
> xcopy doesn't work with disk images.
> 
> g.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software

[Dale E Sterner]

Copywrite office replied that they couldn't find any
record of it. It was old and they purged it. Copywrites can
last almost forever if you keep renewing it.
I had to pay for their reseach time; at least it
wasn't a fortune. I was sweating a $1,000 bill.
They simply bill you for their work; you don't know
what it could be.

cheers
DS


On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:40:02 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > For file transfers I always used Crosstalk (aka xtalk) for
> > file transfers. Its very hard to find anywhere. If you
> > do find it; there isn't any copyright left on it.
> > I paid the copywrite office $20 to tell me that.
> > I'd love to have the source code for it.
> >
> Unless they provided proof that Crosstalk was released into the 
> public 
> domain, you wasted your $20.  Due to copyright extensions purchased 
> by 
> Disney and others, commercial software like Crosstalk will enter in 
> to the 
> public domain long after you're dead.
> 
> A number of good terminal programs can be found here:
> http://www.retroarchive.org/garbo/pc/termprog/index.html
> 
> g.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] DISKCOPY to disk larger than image

[Dale E Sterner]

Try xcopy instead.

cheers
DS


On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:43:01 -0500 David McMackins
 writes:
> But if I use dd on my Linux box, DOS sees it as a 720k filesystem. It 
> 
> doesn't appear to be a hardware limitation. This seems like a 
> software 
> limitation or bug.
> 
> 
> Happy Hacking,
> 
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> 
> On 2018-06-29 08:30, geneb wrote:
> > On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, David McMackins wrote:
> > 
> >> DISKCOPY throws an error if I try to copy a 720k image to a 1.44M 
> 
> >> diskette. I couldn't find a flag that could do it. I tried 
> setting the 
> >> size to 720, but that threw a different error.
> > You need to use 720k media.
> > 
> > g.
> > 
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Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software

[Dale E Sterner]

For file transfers I always used Crosstalk (aka xtalk) for
file transfers. Its very hard to find anywhere. If you
do find it; there isn't any copyright left on it.
I paid the copywrite office $20 to tell me that.
I'd love to have the source code for it.

cheers
DS



On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 12:46:06 -0500 cont...@mcmackins.org writes:
> I see in the Utilities section there is a VT100 emulator, but from 
> the 
> readme it doesn't seem like it supports XMODEM-protocol data 
> transfer. 
> What software can I get for DOS that supports this? My purpose for 
> this 
> is serial communication with a TI-99/4A computer for purposes of 
> file 
> transfer, and the program that the TI folks recommend uses XMODEM 
> for 
> file transfer.
> 
> 
> Happy Hacking,
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] =E-tax

[Dale E Sterner]

I'm shocked at how many countries are doing it
and I'm very grateful that the US hasn't.
I have to admit that paper tax forms are getting
very hard to get. The IRS really likes e-filing but
they haven't forced anyone to do it - yet.

cheers
DS


On Fri, 27 Apr 18 23:58:08 + =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zZSBBbnRvbmlvIFNlbm5h?=
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> 
>Yes, I live in Brazil.
> 
> An e-mail address is not a reliable  means 
>  to find one's address: even Eric Auer had an
>  e-mail address in Brazil sometime ago.
> 
>I did not use a proper subject line in these e-mails
>  because this thread started and continued as
>  "no subject". 
> 
> I don't know how the tax programs work in Android
>  nor IOs   I just repeated what the revenue service
>  guys say.  There is a Java Runtime Environment for 
>  Android - I already saw it.  I never used any IOs product.
>   
> Many people in Brazil do not have computers, too. 
>The workarounds are:  borrow  or lease time at 
>  somebody else's computer or pay an accountant 
>  to fill the forms for you - they charge the
>  equivalent of US$ 25 to US$ 30 to do so.
>   
> My point in sending these messages was to show
>  one more issue that reduces the chances for use 
>  of DOS today.
> 
>   JAS
> 
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[Dale E Sterner]

I trust my mailman to deliver; he always has.
Computers fail alot either from upgrades or they
just die then I don't get my bill to pay on time.
I'm old with luck I'll die before we all go paperless.

DS



On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:42:41 -0400 dmccunney 
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> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> > I get paper statments for everything and they now
> > all charge me for the paper version. The bank is $3
> > and the phone is $5 for paper. I pay because I trust
> > paper. Computer software is in constant flux.
> > One day it works then over night they upgrade
> > and you also have to upgrade to read it. Some times
> > upgrades are easy but it usually means buying something
> > new. If you buy something new they'll just do it again.
> 
> You want to do everything the way you've been doing it for decades,
> and not have to change what you do and how you do it.  You want to
> stay put where you are.  What will you do when that's no longer
> possible?
> 
> In service of that you must jump through hoops and perform all 
> manner
> of labor others have the computer do for them.  It will become
> increasingly harder as you go along.  At some point, you may have no
> choice, and simply have to do it differently because what you need 
> to
> do can no longer be *done* the way you're doing now.  Resisting
> upgrades is storing up trouble for the future.  When you finally
> *have* to upgrade, it will be an order of magnitude harder than it
> could have been because so *much* will change.
> 
> What value do you place on your *time*?  Everyone I know would look 
> at
> what you've recounted as your process and say "That sort of stuff is
> what a *computer* is for!"
> 
> Personally, I think "doing it the way you've always done it" is more
> important than "trust in paper" for you.
> 
> > DS
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I did a Google search on my tablet.
The search was interrupted by alot of ads poping up.
Things keep coming up that I never clicked on.
I think I had Java automatically installed wihile
searching for Java 7. Just wanted a search nothing
more. Screen came up and said you've sucessfully
installed Java - I go what's this.

DS



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> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> > Sorry I didn't pick up on it.
> > Even Brazil is doing it, The web only said India was
> > doing it.
> 
> Where were you looking?  It sounds like your search was cursory at 
> best.
> 
> > How did the US escape this fate.
> 
> A complex political system with lots of disagreement on the best way
> forward.  Even if everyone agreed going paperless was desireable, 
> you
> would still have knock down, drag out fights as to how to achieve 
> it.
> Just about every country is heading in that direction.  Some are
> farther along than others.
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Sorry I didn't pick up on it.
Even Brazil is doing it, The web only said India was
doing it. How did the US escape this fate.

cheers
DS



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> On 4/26/2018 1:34 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> > Can I ask what country you live in.
> > I hope that doesn't happen in the US.
> Well, his email address is kind of a clear indicator that he's 
> living in 
> Brazil...
> 
> Ralf
> 
> PS: It helps a lot in emails to a mailing list if one is actually 
> putting something appropriate into the subject line...
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I get paper statments for everything and they now
all charge me for the paper version. The bank is $3
and the phone is $5 for paper. I pay because I trust
paper. Computer software is in constant flux.
One day it works then over night they upgrade
and you also have to upgrade to read it. Some times
upgrades are easy but it usually means buying something
new. If you buy something new they'll just do it again.

DS



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> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Eric Auer  
> wrote:
> 
> > The NL also love digital payments for all
> > everyday expenses, although studies show
> > that this lets people lose proper view on
> > their expenses. On the other hand, you in
> > the US must be used to pay many things on
> > credit, which has similar side effects.
> 
> The US is increasingly cashless.  Credit cards are only part of it.
> Banks also issue debit cards which deduct directly from the 
> configured
> account.  We use very little cash on a day to day basis, and are 
> happy
> about it.
> 
> Doing everything electronically *does* make it possible to lose 
> proper
> view on expenses if you fail to actually read your monthly 
> statements.
> 
> (And those, Ironically, are often still on paper.  We get paper
> statements from our bank informing us of interest earned on an
> interest bearing checking account.  That account has just enough 
> cash
> to cover bills paid with it, with the rest elsewhere.  It costs the
> bank more in postage to *report* the interest earned than than the
> earned interest itself.
> 
> We'd be just as happy to have that reported electronically, but
> applicable regulations apparently require the bank to do it on 
> paper.
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American taxes are very complex but at least
we can still use paper. My tax return is 8
double sided pages. I'd sink if I didn't have
QPRO to do all the math.
America loves to copy Japanese and European
ways, even when they're stupid. I hope this
is one idea they take a pass on.

cheers
DS


On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 23:08:35 +0200 Eric Auer  writes:
> 
> Hi Dale,
> 
> > Can I ask what country you live in.
> > I hope that doesn't happen in the US.
> 
> > A lot of people don't have computers here.
> > Either they're too expensive or they just
> > don't like them.
> 
> > I just can't imagine not having paper forms.
> 
> For example both in the NL and Germany, you
> are pretty much forced to use computers for
> your taxes. Until a few years ago, you had
> to use Windows software, ironically written
> in portable languages. Right now, you can do
> basic tax using web forms in both countries.
> 
> The Dutch started to offer Linux and Mac tools
> several years ago and suggest phone apps now!?
> 
> The German form wizard is still Windows-only,
> but is at least slightly tuned for Linux Wine.
> There also is a not-so-advertised pile of PDF.
> 
> The NL also love digital payments for all
> everyday expenses, although studies show
> that this lets people lose proper view on
> their expenses. On the other hand, you in
> the US must be used to pay many things on
> credit, which has similar side effects.
> 
> I have not researched other countries, but
> would be keen to hear about France, Belgium
> and similar western European countries :-)
> 
> Regards, Eric
> 
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Can I ask what country you live in.
I hope that doesn't happen in the US.
A lot of people don't have computers here.
Either they're too expensive or they just
don't like them.
I just can't imagine not having paper forms.

cheers
DS



On Thu, 26 Apr 18 17:47:05 + =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zZSBBbnRvbmlvIFNlbm5h?=
 writes:
> 
> Dale E Sterner  said:
> 
> > I use qpro to crunch the numbers
> > I still have to get it to print the completed form out.
> > Each year it grows a little bigger and better.
> > I still have to hand copy it into a 1040 form.
> 
> Yes, and this is why I said you are lucky.
> You can still use paper forms,  which do not care
>  about how you fill them. 
> In 2010 or 2011 our government did away
>  completely with paper tax forms.  Everything is
>  now electronic and must be filled in a computer,
>  using one of the purpose-written programs freely
>  available from  the revenue service, then uploaded 
>  to their site. 
> All those programs are written in Java, so the same 
>  .jar can be used with Windows, Linux or MacOS
>  (now also with  Android or IOs, if you dare to use 
>  an smartphone to fill tax forms).  
>The programs have been updated since they 
>  appeared, and current tax forms cannot be used 
>  with the older versions.  This is why the JVM version
>  also had to be updated.
> 
>  JAS
> 
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I use qpro to crunch the numbers
I still have to get it to print the completed form out.
Each year it grows a little bigger and better.
I still have to hand copy it into a 1040 form.

cheers
DS


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> On april 21 Dale E Sterner 
>  said
> 
> >  I like to tease my brother in law that
> >  I use turbodos for taxes 
> 
> You are lucky. 
> We here must use Java (JVM) 1.7 or 
>   later to create tax return forms.
> 
>   JAS
> 
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Weather it is worth while is for Corel to decide.
I used Excell at work and the only good way to
program it without visual basic is to record and 
save. It seems to work on visual basic. Excells
visual basic commands are not well documented.
I have a half dozen books on Excell macro commands
but could never find anything on visual basic commands.
Excell macro commands never seem to work as promised.
Record and save is a really limited programming method.
If you have ever used Excell and qpro you would
appreciate how much better qpro is.Qpro has the "let" command
which I use to have the macro rewrite itself while still
running. It determines certains values as column length
writes the need macro line to fit the need. Something
I could never do with Excell.

DS

 

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 15:51:08 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > Yes I would purchase their updates; I already have
> > most of their stuff and use.it. They were a cut above
> > the rest of the dos software and I think they still
> > have users out there. I have MS Word 6 for dos;
> > what a real piece of junk..
> 
> I know *you* would purchase updates.  I just don't think the market 
> is
> big enough to make it worth *making* updates to the DOS apps.  The
> sales of updates wouldn't cover a fraction of the costs of making
> them, let alone make actual money,
> 
> > I wouldn't expect big dos sales but I think their fans
> > would be after it but not big time.
> 
> I'd hardly expect *any* DOS sales.  Who would *buy* it?
> 
> Such things are only useful to you if you have a working DOS system
> where you can run them native, or if you run them in some sort of
> virtual machine like VdosPlus.
> 
> But if you need a spreadsheet at all, you run Excel under Windows, 
> or
> Open Office/Libre Office Calc under Linux, OS/X or Windows, or a
> standalone cross platform spreadsheet like Gnumeric, or you work
> online through something like Google Sheets.  (And *all* of the
> non-Excel solutions above can read and write Excel format 
> worksheets.
> Like it or not, Excel is the standard everyone must adhere to.)
> 
> > Wordperfert 6.2 had alot of advanced features that
> > you wouldn't expect to see in dos like the matheditor
> 
> And Windows programs also have such features, so you don't need to 
> run
> WP 6.2 to get them.
> 
> > I use qpro alot; I like to tease my brother in law
> > that I use turbodos for taxes He's like you only wants
> > the latest MS junk.
> 
> No, I don't just want the latest MS junk.  You obviously haven't 
> been
> paying attention when I talk about what I run here.  I have an older
> version of MS Office, but the only component I use is Publisher for
> the odd DTP project, because I know how to make it do what I want.
> For WP, spreadsheets and the like, I use Libre Office, and some 
> stuff
> happens online with Google Docs/Sheets.  (In those instances, I am
> collaborating with others, and we need access to the same files.)
> 
> I still have some ancient DOS stuff I run under emulation, but 
> that's
> a hobby thing done for fun.  I do not and *cannot* use DOS as my
> production OS and DOS apps as my main applications.  To much of what 
> I
> do can't be *done* under DOS.
> 
> If you love QPro, fine.  If you can still use a DOS system and DOS
> applications to do what you need to do, more power to you.  But if 
> you
> can, you are one of a *very* small number of people.  The rest of us
> cannot.  And if you think there are a whole lot of people Just Like
> You who can (or *want* to) do everything in DOS - enough to make it
> worth while to maintain and sell DOS programs - I fear you are 
> living
> in a dream world.  The rest of the world has moved on.
> 
> > DS
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>  ..
> 
> > On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:48:13 -0400 dmccunney 
> 
> > writes:
> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Dale E Sterner 
> 
> >> wrote:
> >> > I wouldn't expect them to ever release the source but
> >> > to put it back on the market for sale, like it use to be.
> >> > Not everthing can be open and free. If you tell them you
> >> > have a million downloads they may feel there is once
> >> > again a viable market for their product and will sell
> >> > and upgrade their dos line. I thing that Corel still has
> >> > alot of dos fans out there. I think alot of people miss
> >> > the simplicity and practicality of dos. Don't expect the
> >> > world to be completely free. DOS isn't worth much
> >> > witho

Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Dale E Sterner]

I think Corel should realease their old versions FREE but 
be able to sell updates to their fans. I did purchase a disks full
of updates from a woman who said they came from Corel.
It gave me a hand full of improvements. If I see any more
Corel updates - I'll buy.

cheers
DS



On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:40:14 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 5:12 PM, dmccunney 
>  wrote:
> [..]
> > If Jim can convince Corel to offer source uinder a license that 
> will
> > let him add it the the FreeDOS distribution, I'll be surprised and
> > delighted.
> >
> > If anyone actually grabs that source, and uploads new and improved
> > versions incorporating changes they made to the source, I'll be
> > astonished.
> >
> > Having it available under a compatible open source license will 
> let
> > Jim make it available as part of FreeDOS.
> >
> > Having it available as Freeware gives folks something they can 
> *do*
> > with FreeDOS, which may be more important.
> 
> 
> I agree!
> 
> My view is "Ask, and they might do it." And "If you don't ask, they 
> won't."
> 
> The ideal is that vendors might release the source code under a
> Free/open source software license, like the GNU GPL. That would be
> great!
> 
> But some vendors might not be able to release the source code. Maybe
> there are legal restrictions, based on licensing agreements
> (libraries, etc) and it would be too much work for them to go 
> through
> the legal clearance process to release the source code to a classic
> DOS program. In this case, I'd be happy if they re-released the
> software as free (gratis). For example, Trius Inc did this with the
> shareware As-Easy-As spreadsheet. They provided an activation code
> that anyone could use to activate As-Easy-As 5.7.
> 
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Yes I would purchase their updates; I already have
most of their stuff and use.it. They were a cut above
the rest of the dos software and I think they still
have users out there. I have MS Word 6 for dos;
what a real piece of junk..
I wouldn't expect big dos sales but I think their fans
would be after it but not big time.
Wordperfert 6.2 had alot of advanced features that
you wouldn't expect to see in dos like the matheditor
I use qpro alot; I like to tease my brother in law
that I use turbodos for taxes He's like you only wants 
the latest MS junk.


DS

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:48:13 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > I wouldn't expect them to ever release the source but
> > to put it back on the market for sale, like it use to be.
> > Not everthing can be open and free. If you tell them you
> > have a million downloads they may feel there is once
> > again a viable market for their product and will sell
> > and upgrade their dos line. I thing that Corel still has
> > alot of dos fans out there. I think alot of people miss
> > the simplicity and practicality of dos. Don't expect the
> > world to be completely free. DOS isn't worth much
> > without high quality software to run on it
> 
> I wouldn't expect release of source, either, though it would be 
> nice.
> But neither would I expect release for sale. Who would *buy* it?  
> DOS
> has been dead for years, and I doubt there would be enough paying
> customers to make sales worth the while.  Actually *selling* stuff
> involves costs to be *able* to sell it, and unless you are confident
> of a decent sales volume, it's not worth doing.
> 
> Yes, FreeDOS 1.1 has gotten a million downloads, but that, by 
> itself,
> is meaningless.  How many of the downloaders actually installed it,
> and on what?  How many are actually using it, and what are they 
> doing
> with it if they are?  (My own bet is that most actually using it are
> doing do to play old DOS games *native*, not use stuff like WP or
> QPro.)
> 
> Best case, you get what Embarcadero once did.  They inherited the
> former Borland DOS products like Turbo-C, and were offering them as
> unsupported freeware downloads from a community link on their site.
> There was no *paying* market for the DOS stuff, but making it
> available was a nice gesture and good publicity for the Windows 
> based
> stuff they could *sell*.
> 
> > cheers
> > DS.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

I think you helped keep an interesting piece of software from
fading out permenantly. It has little practical use but is
interesting to look at - a piece of historical art. Protected
software usually disappears completely when  it loses
its usefulness. This way some younger people can see
what it use to look like.

cheers
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
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> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Jim Hall wrote:
> 
> > While I know that this helped a specific user request, I'd 
> appreciate
> > that we not share/link to "crack" tools that circumvent copy
> > protection. Even for programs like Telix that aren't supported
> > anymore.
> >
> Your house, your rules.  No problem. :)
> 
> > Free/open source software has a hard enough time being viewed in
> > certain circles as "hacker" culture, and sharing "crack" tools 
> doesn't
> > help with that image.
> >
> I can't bring myself to pander to a group of people that are baffled 
> by 
> computers equipped with multi-button mice. (or no mouse at all!) :)
> 
> g.
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Dale E Sterner]

I wouldn't expect them to ever release the source but
to put it back on the market for sale, like it use to be.
Not everthing can be open and free. If you tell them you
have a million downloads they may feel there is once
again a viable market for their product and will sell
and upgrade their dos line. I thing that Corel still has
alot of dos fans out there. I think alot of people miss
the simplicity and practicality of dos. Don't expect the
world to be completely free. DOS isn't worth much
without high quality software to run on it


cheers
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 11:29:10 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> >> I downloaded as-easy-as from your site.
> >> I didn't see a "LET command listed. Its a command
> >> that makes dos qpro special. None of my dos macros
> >> would run without it.
> >> Maybe you could talk to Corel or who ever owns
> >> the copyright and see if they could bring back their
> >> office software for FREEDOS use. They made the best
> >> dos software ever.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Robert Riebisch 
>  wrote:
> > Hi Dale,
> >
> > Would be a nice contribution to the FreeDOS community if *you* 
> take this
> > job. :-)
> >
> 
> I agree with Robert! I think it would be great for you to reach out 
> to
> Corel (or any other software company) and ask that they release the
> source code to their DOS applications under a Free/open source
> software license like the GNU General Public License.
> 
> You can reach Corel here:
> http://www.corel.com/
> 
> I just contacted them to ask about Quattro Pro and WordPerfect, but
> I'm sure it would help if others (like you) also contacted them an
> politely asked if they would release the source code to their legacy
> DOS applications under a Free/open source software license. The more
> people who ask, the more likely they are to respond.
> 
> On Corel's "Contact" page, you can chat online, open a ticket or 
> call.
> I chose to open a support ticket with them.
> 
> Jim
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

I don't know how you found this but it worked like a charm.
The big ugly red screen is gone. Many thanks.

cheers
DS


On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:28:35 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > My copy asks for money for a key but noone left to collect it.
> > I used up half my legal trys brfore it shuts down.
> > What was that link again?
> >
> 
> You can also go here: 
> http://cd.textfiles.com/hackersencyc/PC/CRAKHOUS/FILES.HTM and grab 
> the 
> file called "351crack.com" - I tested against the Telix download I 
> pointed 
> you to and it did work.
> 
> g.
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

Good I'll try it.

cheers
DS



On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:28:35 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > My copy asks for money for a key but noone left to collect it.
> > I used up half my legal trys brfore it shuts down.
> > What was that link again?
> >
> 
> You can also go here: 
> http://cd.textfiles.com/hackersencyc/PC/CRAKHOUS/FILES.HTM and grab 
> the 
> file called "351crack.com" - I tested against the Telix download I 
> pointed 
> you to and it did work.
> 
> g.
> 
> 
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> 
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> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

My copy asks for money for a key but noone left to collect it.
I used up half my legal trys brfore it shuts down.
What was that link again?

DS



On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:41:56 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > The copy I downloaded does. The download did not include
> > the password. You only have to enter it once then its good
> > foreever.
> > Do you have the password ?
> >
> No legitimate version of Telix that I've ever seen requires a 
> password. 
> Download the one from the link I posted a few messages back.  As far 
> as I 
> know, that was the last shareware release and all it will do is nag 
> you.
> 
> g.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

I believe that external zoom modens are still for sale and support
the old AT commands

cheers
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.

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 13:36:36 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 7:02 AM, David McMackins 
>  wrote:
> > My laptop has a hardware modem, internal. It's a Pentium III 
> machine, so
> > I'm not sure what risks that may imply about it being a Winmodem 
> I've
> > heard such nasty things about.
> 
> Winmodems were simplified devices which got the nod for systems
> because they were cheaper, and PC vendors all looking to shave 
> pennies
> on what it cost to make a system.  They were called Winmodems 
> because
> the stuff left out of the modem in hardware was supplied in software
> by Windows.  If you weren't *running* Windows, you had problems.
> 
> Does your laptop have a serial port?  If the internal modem is a
> Winmodem, you might be able to score a Hayes or USR external modem
> from eBay or the like, connect it to the serial port, and not use 
> the
> internal modem for this.
> 
> > I will look into Net-Tamer and Procom. Telix was the software I 
> had
> > found the defunct website for. I'm not sure if I want to trust a 
> mirror.
> 
> What I used to use was Telix.  It should be possible for find a
> working copy. Essentially, DOS comm packages needed to communicate
> with a modem that supported the Hayes AT command set.  When you
> selected something to call from the comm program's list, the program
> would open the port the modem was connected to and send something
> alike "ATDT" to it.  AT woke up the modem, and DT told
> it to dial , and a connection would be established.
> 
> > As far as which BBSes are still alive, there exist directories for
> > finding them, and they are apparently popular among people who are
> > interested in vintage tech. A colleague of mine knows more.
> 
> There aren't very many.  There is a Yahoo group called 80sBBS
> populated by old time BBS folks you might want to look at.  A 
> current
> poster has been talking about getting his old Commodore 64 BBS back 
> on
> line.  (And one of his challenges was client the user could use that
> would reproduce the C64 experience.  It turns out there's an
> applicable open source offering.)
> 
> The problem that such efforts encounter is that very few folks who
> might call BBSes still *have* modems to do dial up access.  Most of
> the BBSes on line now I'm aware of offer telnet access instead.
> 
> I still have a US Robotics 56K modem in a parts drawer, but I no
> longer have a landline to hook it up to.  My phone service is VOIP.
> It might be possible to get the USR to place calls over VOIP, but I
> have nothing to call using it, and it's not worth the effort to
> experiment.
> 
> > David E. McMackins II
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

The copy I downloaded does. The download did not include
the password. You only have to enter it once then its good
foreever.
Do you have the password ?


DS



On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 09:10:39 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
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> On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > A really good one is xtalk; if you can find it. Procomm is also
> > good; if you can find it. Telex requires a password otherwise
> > it stops working after a few uses. Procomm is nice to look at
> 
> It's called "Telix", and no it does not stop working or require a 
> password.
> 
> g.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

I have no idea. I've never seen it as a download or even
for sale. It was very popular for awhile then disappeared.
I use it to print to a blurtooth printer. I establish the BT
link with xtalk then exit to dos . I can print by using the dos
copy command to copy a .prn file to the com port.
Tried it with procomm but failed.


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