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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDO

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From: James Collins <james.collin...@yahoo.com>


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Hey guys I just bought soft pic 1.3 unopened in a box with the plastic still
on it.

What do you think of that ira?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Jerome Shidel <jer...@shidel.net> wrote:
>
> Also, try to just install BASE and not FULL. You can install the other
packages after the install completes.
>
>
>> On Jan 10, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Ira Minor <ira.mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Try using the Legacy Installer CD rather than the Standard one.
>>
>> Ira
>>
>> irami...@gmail.com  805-212-0588
>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Lawrence Dionne <codehunte...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> I have an old Dell computer: Intel Celeron processor 700Mhz CPU 320MB RAM
>>>
>>> I thought it would make a nice machine for installin and runnin FreeDOS,
but here is the issue:
>>>
>>> "freedos invalid opcode at 0FAE 1068 0046 0001 0002  0200  
0183  4200 0001"
>>>
>>> I boot the CD, choose "Install to hard drive" and after some text I get a
constantly scrollin message.
>>>
>>> I was able to get it to install, at least partially by the following
procedure:
>>>
>>> Start the CD then after choosing install to hard drive, I press F8 to
choose the config.sys settings.
>>>
>>> Once I skip the "himemx.sys" item, it will install, at least partially.  I
stops at the 4DOS packages.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a fix for this?  Is the computer too 'Old' for
FreeDOS?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Hey guys I just bought soft pic 1.3
unopened in a box with the plastic still on it.What do you
think of that ira?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 10, 2017, at
5:41 PM, Jerome Shidel mailto:jer...@shidel.net;>jer...@shidel.net
wrote:Also, try to just install BASE and not FULL. You
can install the other packages after the install
completes.On Jan 10, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Ira
Minor mailto:ira.mi...@gmail.com;>ira.mi...@gmail.com
wrote:Try
using the Legacy Installer CD rather than the Standard one.Iramailto:irami...@gmail.com; target="_blank">irami...@gmail.com
805-212-0588
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Lawrence Dionne
mailto:codehunte...@gmail.com;
target="_blank">codehunte...@gmail.com wrote:I have an
old Dell computer: Intel Celeron processor 700Mhz CPU 320MB RAMI
thought it would make a nice machine for installin and runnin FreeDOS, but here
is the issue:"freedos invalid opcode at 0FAE 1068 0046 0001 0002 
0200   0183  4200 0001"I boot the CD, choose "

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Install

[James Collins]

Hey guys I just bought soft pic 1.3 unopened in a box with the plastic still on 
it.

What do you think of that ira?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Jerome Shidel  wrote:
> 
> Also, try to just install BASE and not FULL. You can install the other 
> packages after the install completes. 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Ira Minor  wrote:
>> 
>> Try using the Legacy Installer CD rather than the Standard one.
>> 
>> Ira
>> 
>> irami...@gmail.com  805-212-0588
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Lawrence Dionne  
>>> wrote:
>>> I have an old Dell computer: Intel Celeron processor 700Mhz CPU 320MB RAM
>>> 
>>> I thought it would make a nice machine for installin and runnin FreeDOS, 
>>> but here is the issue:
>>> 
>>> "freedos invalid opcode at 0FAE 1068 0046 0001 0002  0200   
>>> 0183  4200 0001"
>>> 
>>> I boot the CD, choose "Install to hard drive" and after some text I get a 
>>> constantly scrollin message.
>>> 
>>> I was able to get it to install, at least partially by the following 
>>> procedure:
>>> 
>>> Start the CD then after choosing install to hard drive, I press F8 to 
>>> choose the config.sys settings.
>>> 
>>> Once I skip the "himemx.sys" item, it will install, at least partially.  I 
>>> stops at the 4DOS packages.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know of a fix for this?  Is the computer too 'Old' for FreeDOS?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

[James E Lang]

Me thinks Dario speaks with tongue planted firmly in cheek. Ho ho ho, LOLROF,  
:-D 

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From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de
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Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist


Dario,

 Intel core DUO2 T6570@2,1Ghz 2,1Ghz  RAM 2GB SO-DIMM S-ATA2 HDD 320Gb ?
 
 Windows 7 Ultimate vers. 6.1.7601Satellite Pro Series.. Toshiba.
 
 It´s great! Sorry!

well, what are you trying to tell us with all those
VERY short mails, that you add to much longer other
mails? Please write in a way that can be understood,
this is not Twitter but actual email here... ;-)

Do you mean that your computer has 2 GB RAM and you
want to use the 386enh mode of Windows 3 on that?
In that case, I have to disappoint you: Windows 3.1
supports at most 256 MB RAM in the default config.

By changing several system.ini settings, you reduce
the risk for conflicts about EMS, UMB and disk I/O,
which could already be a problem above 64 MB RAM.
The settings below are for the [386Enh] section:

VirtualHDIrq=OFF
32BitDiskAccess=OFF
SystemRomBreakpoint=OFF
EMMExclude=A000-EFFF

... remove the device=vshare.386 line as well ...

NoEmmDriver=ON
DMABufferSize=128
PageOverCommit=1
WinExclusive=1
XlatBufferSize=128
PageBuffers=32
MaxBPs=768
FileSysChange=OFF

The reduced overcommit allows Windows to use more
than 256 MB RAM, by disabling large swap pondering.
Just having an actually small swap is not enough.

The above is from recommendations for deskwork, a
Windows style GUI for DOS with some deskwork-specific
software and a distinctive star trek TNG style look.

That also suggests in win.ini, in the [windows] part:
DefaultQueueSize=16 (for improved speed).

Cheers, Eric

PS: Even with the settings above, Win 3.1 crashes if
it notices that you actually have more than 1 GB RAM.
It may be possible to hide the rest via HIMEM options.




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[Freedos-user] Windows 3.1 in Freedos

[James Crawford]

Eric and all,

 

I tried running Windows 3.1 with all the memory driver choices that are
available at startup and none of them worked.  Is there another driver
available that will work with Windows 3.1?

 

I appreciate your help and advice!

 

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[Freedos-user] running windows 3.1

[James Crawford]

Hey Guys,

 

I have a Pentium 3 running Freedos alone.  I tried to load Win 3.1 and got
the error :  Win 3.1 will not run in protected mode.  I understand that the
command.com runs in protected mode.  Do I have to change this permanently to
run Windows.  How do I get  Windows to work?

 

Thanks!

 

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[Freedos-user] XFdisk

[James Crawford]

I was installing freedos to a harddrive in hopes with hopes of having a
multi-boot with four other DOS operating systems.  XFdisk would not save any
of the changes I made.  Is XFdisk defective or what?  Does anyone have any
ideas?

 

Thanks!

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[Freedos-user] no sibject

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Re: [Freedos-user] Modern Uses For FreeDOS

[James D Baker]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:53:23 -0500
Bob Cochran bcochra...@verizon.net wrote:

 ...I would like to build a better 
 understanding of FreeDOS. What is it used for most commonly? 

  I use it for control of a desktop milling machine.  Modern computers
  don't have and can't use a parallel port in real time.  

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released

[James Hall]

I have discovered the wifi connection I am using have a locked ftp port...

 That won't cause any problems, as there is an http download link
 presented on the FreeDOS download page for your convenience as well. ;-)

 That's btw the link I tested the other day...


And in a few minutes, we'll have a torrent seed, thanks to our friends
at ibiblio.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Problem with download Re: FreeDOS 1.1 released

[James Hall]

 Correct, known before, unfortunately.
 Only solution is to wait for the mirror sites to catch up, as they do
 offer HTTP-only along with FTP.


If you have a bittorrent client, you can now use the torrent seed
listed at www.freedos.org/freedos/files/

Also, a few mirrors have sync'd with the 1.1 release:

http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/
http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pc/dos/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/

You might try one of those.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released

[James Hall]

And in a few minutes, we'll have a torrent seed, thanks to our friends
at ibiblio.
:-)

 That's working fine as well, about 3x as fast as http, with only 1
 peer when I started (myself?, shows 6 peers by the time I was finished).

 But would be surprised if that would work for Marco, that an ISP
 blocks FTP but NOT torrent traffic... :-\


Agreed. Maybe one of the mirrors I mentioned in my other post will
work for Marco.

Note that I only commented out the list of mirrors. If you view the
html source of www.freedos.org/freedos/files, you will be able to see
URLs to all of the mirror sites. I'll re-add the (working) mirrors
over the weekend.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released

[James Hall]

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote:

 I cant connect ibiblio today, Appear that freedos release has colapsed the
 servers :-)

 Would be interesting to get downloads statistics in order to know how many
 people around the world is following freedos development...



I haven't had any problems from Minnesota (ibiblio is located in North
Carolina.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 released

[James Hall]

 Would be interesting to get downloads statistics in order to know how many
 people around the world is following freedos development...


I'll see what stats we can get from ibiblio. Been a while since I
needed stats from them, but they do track it. At worst, I may have to
wait until the end of the month to get monthly stats.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing FreeDOS in a Qemu box.

[James Hall]

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Tiago O. de Almeida
toacyanide...@yahoo.com.br wrote:
 Are there any hints to install FreeDOS inside a Qemu box? I'm trying this
 right now, but the installation process is damn slow. This is the Qemu
 command line:

 qemu -cdrom ~/.qemu/fdbasecd.iso -hda ~/.qemu/freedos.img -boot
 order=c,once=d -m 31M -k pt-br -soundhw sb16 -M pc -smp 1 -cpu pentium -name
 FreeDOS -sdl

 I've tried several values to -cpu, including qemu32/64, pentium, 486,
 core2duo; and also raise the -m value up to default (128M).


QEMU is a full emulator, but sometimes emulators can run quite slow.
I'd just let the install process take as long as it needs to; you'll
only need to do that once. It should be fine after that.

If you have the option, you can also do a manual install of FreeDOS
by unzipping each of the install packages (which are just
specially-crafted zip files) into the C:\FDOS directory. This won't
install the kernel in a bootable way, but I think you can run SYS from
the installation CDROM. This should be faster, albeit a more manual
process.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working

[James Hall]

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Shérab
sebastien.hinde...@ens-lyon.org wrote:
 Dear all,

 I'm trying to use with Linux + dosemu + freedos a french dictionnary
 which was published about 20 years ago with a search program running
 under MS DOS.

 For the moment, I'm not able to make this program work.
 No matter how I try torn it, nothing happens till I press Enter, which
 brings me back to the DOS prompt.

 It is worth mentionning that I tried qemu+MS-DOS 6.22 which lead to the
 same result.

 Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 Also, should you need any additional information, I'm willing to provide
 them.

Hi. I've never used a dictionary program on DOS before, so I can't
offer any particular help on this problem. However, others might be
able to help if you mentioned the name and version of the program you
are trying to use. You don't get any output from the program, so this
may be difficult to track down.


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Re: [Freedos-user] AST driver problem...

[James Hall]

But according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AST_Research
as of early 2011, the dormant AST trademark appears to be being
relaunched by a new, independent company named DATA ACCESS based in
France. I don't know if that means they purchased the previous
copyrights (Beny Alagem, founder of Packard Bell Electronics, bought
the name and intellectual property of AST Research, Inc. in 1999.)

 Saw this too, and I have the strange feeling that this is just
 another cyber squatter...



Yes, and those guys always worry me. They are similar to patent
trolls, who buy up patent portfolios, then sue people who infringe on
them. I don't know anything about DATA ACESS, but maybe they are an
IP troll who bought AST's intellectual property portfolio to do
something like that.

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Re: [Freedos-user] AST driver problem...

[James Hall]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:11 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, James Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote:

 It's not an ideal situation for these old drivers, but we need to be
 careful here. And I'll admit that I'm not sufficiently motivated to
 comb through all the driver zip files (I assume zip) and read all the
 Readme  License files, just to see if we can redistribute them. I'll
 leave that to someone with more free time. :-)

 Be careful of what?

 Generally speaking, people only really care when they think there is
 money involved.  What money *could* be involved here?

Careful, as in there seems to be a company out there that purchased
the IP from AST Research. I don't want to get a CD letter from them,
or engage in anything that involves a legal defense. We just don't
have the resources to do anything against it.

Yes, companies don't tend to care unless there's money involved. But
in the case of trademark law, if you fail to defend attempted mis-use
of a trademark that you own, you automatically lose it. So companies
tend to police trademarks pretty aggressively.

I'd rather err on the conservative side here, and not mix the AST
Research driver archives with the FreeDOS Project archives.


 I'd put the drivers up on a website and let folks know they existed.
 The website would make it clear the drivers were archived there as a
 service for folks who happened to have the hardware, and were offered
 free of charge to those who could use them.  I'd state that I was
 doing so because the manufacturers were out of business and the
 drivers could not be found elsewhere, and offer to take them down if
 someone who could demonstrate they were the rights holder objected.  I
 would be rather surprised if any such rights holder came forward and
 complained.

It's a good idea. But I'll let someone else take that project. :-)


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Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS

[James Hall]

Thanks!

Looks like Dillo doesn't support background images in CSS, and/or the
display:none directive, so it's displaying the word FreeDOS in the
H1 instead of an image. I can fix that on the web site.



On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is a screenshot of freedos.org using dillo for Win32 and  View mobile
 site

 http://tinypic.com/r/2q18ig0/5


 El 21/11/2011 09:02 a.m., jhall escribió:

 I guess I need to find some time to install Dillo and see what is not
 rendering properly on the FreeDOS site. My guess is Dillo does not implement
 all of the CSS that I am using there. Most likely, it is breaking on
 absolute placement (this would mean the tabs show up at the bottom, as
 would the left-hand links.)

 I wonder if a workaround would be to detect Dillo on the web site, and
 treat it like a mobile browser so it gets the simplified pages. If you click
 on View mobile site in the footer, does the page look okay?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS

[James Hall]

Thanks, I posted a news item on the front page. Looking through your
library source files, I was happy to see all Free licenses:

* FLTK: GNU LGPL with exceptions

* Freetype: dual-licensed with the Freetype license, or GNU GPL

* Microwin: dual-licensed with MPL, or GNU GPL v2

* nxlib: dual-licensed with MPL, or GNU GPL v2


I didn't look into the fonts yet, but I assume you are using free
replacements there as well.


Thanks! I can't wait to give this a try!

-jh




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 Hi Jim,

 as you can see on the download link it is the first beta version I released.
 You can surf the web as you can see on the screenshot but there are a couple
 of issues I am currently working on. These are mentioned in the User Guide.

 Georg

 - Original Message -
 From: jhall jh...@freedos.org
 To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS


I have spotty Internet service right now (traveling, again) so I may have
to wait until tomorrow to post this on the FreeDOS web site. Sounds
exciting!



 On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros
 fav...@mpcnet.com.br wrote:

 Hi Georg,

 The Dillo web browser has been ported to DOS now.

 This came as a complete surprise to me. Thanks very much! This is
 great news for us DOS users.

 Dillo worked immediately in my Pentium 166 under FreeDOS.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Serial ports versus USB versus virtual computers with DOS guests

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On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote:

 At 03:23 PM 9/7/2011, Eric Auer wrote:
 
 Hi Ralf,
 
 my idea was that the serial hardware device to USB hardware
 port conversion was done in hardware, so either covered by
 working hardware or hopeless... Next step is getting from
 real USB port to anything accessible inside a VM and I had
 the idea that a typical VM shows USB to guests as USB, too.
 
 Of course that means more work for DOS then, but still ;-)
 Probably depends on the VM whether it prefers pass-through
 of raw USB or rather made up devices from host OS drivers.
 
 I think it is certainly worth a try. Of course with first
 trying with DOS using real USB on real hardware then :-)
 
 But that doesn't look like a real option in this case, as he has a 
 serial device (his external speech synthesizer) and an existing 
 software (the utilities for said speech synthesizer) he is trying to run.
 
 As far as (Free)DOS is concerned, it can only provide assistance in 
 form of DOS routines and info for the serial port that in turn rely 
 on certain hardware info provided by the BIOS replacement of the VM. 
 So it's up to the VM to handle this properly and it is my practical 
 experience that most of them are likely to not properly provide that 
 info, as most of them simply don't care about such legacy devices anymore...
 

One thing I noticed. When my serial2usb adaptor is connected. And I look in 
/dev on my computer this is listed:

cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF

But when I try to open my vm, I get an error:

loctl failed for serial host device '/dev/cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF' 
(VERR_DEV_IO_ERROR). The device will not work properly.

And under details-

Error ID:DrvHostSerialFail

And when I look in /dev cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF 

Is gone?

And my settings for my vm are

Ports--Serial Ports--Port 1--

Enable serial port, checked
Port mode- host device
Create pipe, unchecked
Port/file path: /dev/cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF


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[Freedos-user] Serial port

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Hello,

I have an external speech synthesizer that I have been fooling around with on 
my host os. Mac os x 10.7 lion.

In order to use the synthesizer on my mac I had to get a usb2serial adaptor and 
install it's driver. The driver is based off of the ftdi chipset. My usb2serial 
adaptor is located at /dev/cu.usbserial-FTKVMAFF on my mac. I have used this 
path to send text to my synthesizer.

I have virtualbox and freedos running as a guest os. There was a utilities disk 
that came with the synthesizer, and I have copied some programs to my freedos c 
drive.

I wanted to run some of the utilities programs so I hooked up my speech 
synthesizer connected to my MacBook pro laptop via a USB port, I am using my 
usb2serial adaptor. And I have my synthesizer turned on.

There is a test program included with the utilities. And when I run it it says 
my synthesizer is not working properly. I have a doubletalk lt external 
synthesizer. And like I said I verified that it is working. In the manual for 
the synthesizer it says, that you pro ally don't need to install any additional 
software. Although there are some special drivers like for windows 98.

I am wondering how to set up my device in virtualbox to work with freedos? I 
have looked in the settings for my guest os, freedos. I see under ports a 
section on serial ports, and also a section on USB. But I don't know which 
would relate to my external speech synthesizer.

I did click on the little USB icon when freedos was running and my usb2serial 
device was listed but when I checked it a virtualbox window popped up saying 
something about an error.

I think it referred to ioctl but I can get more info on the exact error.

Anyway, I just wondered if anyone had any info or help on getting my speech 
synthesizer working?

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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos.org unreachable

[James]

Both working here, too.




On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote:

 At 05:44 AM 9/4/2011, dos386 wrote:
 Same for bttr-software.de :-D
 Working both fine from here...
 
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[Freedos-user] Mac os x lion and vm

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Hello,

I recently updated my macbook pro to mac os x 10.7 lion.

I downloaded virtualbox and installed it. My question is i had freedos as a vm 
on my older version of mac os x. I had put the vm on an external hard drive 
before updating.

I just wondered if i should reinstall freedos rather than using the vm i had 
saved. I do remember running xfdisk to partition my drive. But just wondered 
will i run into any problems using the vm of freedos that i had saved?

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[Freedos-user] Usb floppy drive

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Hello,

I have freedos running as a virtual machine in virtualbox. I am running mac os 
x 10.7 lion as my guest operating system.

I have a usb floppy drive that my mac recognizes. I am wondering if i can 
enable the usb floppy drive so freedos recognizes it?

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Re: [Freedos-user] dos backups in the 21st century?

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Hello Ray,

Thanks for sharing pictures of your setup.  It's a real fascinating setup.
Other than a duplicating machine, what function does it serve while
connected to your network?

Thanks,

Jim

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 Karen Lewellen wrote:
  A question mainly for those who use dos  alone and purely on your
  machines. I am asking how you do large backup work yourself now? say
  3 gig or so?

 I have a couple suggestions for your consideration.

 First, anyone who is doing anything serious with a PC needs this:
 http://www.dfsee.com/
 It works on DOS, OS/2, Win and Linux, and the CD boots FreeDOS.

 The most powerful thing it does is fix confused HDDs; like lost
 partition tables.  And the author will help.

 It also does a bit-for-bit, drive-to-drive copy.  This is a pic of my
 backup and storage box.

 https://picasaweb.google.com/110720715566253280768/ScreenShots#5620366853489847778

 It is connected to a LAN, but it is also the ultimate sneaker net.  All
 my HDDs, on every machine, are front panel plugin.  Backup consists of;
 plug in the HDD you want to copy, plug in a blank HDD at least as large
 as what you want to copy, boot - the racks are hot swappable, the OSs
 are not - , run DFSee, select the partition(s) or drive to be copied,
 and go to lunch.

 Restore just reverses the process.

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[Freedos-user] (no subject)

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Does anybody have any experience setting up a file server using Freedos?  I
am just wondering if it is a workable idea.

Thanks,

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I am actually running FreeNAS right now.  I really like it but I am not
happy with the filesystem it uses.  If the server dies, I can't pop one of
the hard drives into a windows box to pull the files off.  DOS is reliable,
and will run forever.  I have always loved DOS and thought it would be a fun
project.

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 Op 4-8-2011 23:24, James Hahn schreef:
  Does anybody have any experience setting up a file server using
  Freedos?  I am just wondering if it is a workable idea.
 
  Thanks,

 http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/  has a FTP server, don't know what you're
 intending to do.

 http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/  lists a webserver

 Microsoft's SMB Client has some update files which can make it act as an
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Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities

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On Jun 24, 2011, at 5:11 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:

 
 Hi all,
 
 I hope you noticed the comment at the end saying that Aitor is NOT
 actually the sender of this mail. Among others hops, it came along
 the German Alice DSL IP 85.177.229.61 - the mail header says this:
 
 This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was 
 remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please 
 report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator
 at ab...@frell.theremailer.net
 
 So... No flame wars please, in particular not under false names!
 
 Eric
 

And at least in my Inbox, the email was marked Spam, probably because it had 
false headers.

I didn't even see the original until you replied to it. ;-)

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[Freedos-user] UIDE driver help

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Hello,

I am trying to set up support for a cd/dvd drive on my freedos. I am using vbox 
on a mac running freedos as my operating system.

I want to be able to use my cd/dvd drive on my MacBook pro laptop. I have the 
drivers for UIDE. I have read the readme file, but it is very technical. I 
could use some help loading the drivers.

Do I have to edit my config.sys file? Do I put the drivers, that I downloaded 
on my c drive?

I could use some help, my goal is to be able to access my cd/dvd drive on my 
mac while in freedos. Like I could put in a cd and then in freedos change to 
drive a or b or whatever letter is assigned the cd drive and access a cd in my 
MacBook pro cd drive.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Lynx issues

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On Mar 19, 2011, at 8:27 PM, cordat...@aol.com wrote:

 
 I got Lynx 2.8.5 running on FreeDOS in Virtual Box on Windows.  I was able to 
 navigate to yahoo.com and some other spots.
 
 There are some anomolies in the way Lynx works compared to typical WATTCP 
 programs.
 
 It looks like Lynx is using WATT-32 which makes sense in retrospect since 
 Lynx is compiled with DJGPP.
 
 Apparently DHCP does not work right in this case.  I detected that Lynx sends 
 a DHCP request message immediately rather than the expected DHCP discover 
 message (which if successful is then followed by DHCP request).
 
 Bottom line: Lynx does not work with DHCP.  Someone would need to re-link 
 with a later version of WATT-32 assuming that there exists a later version 
 with DHCP working right.
 
 So the idea of using NTOOL is probably the right way to go here.

I can't get dhcp in Ntool to work? Why come I can get dhcp in mTCP to work but 
not Ntool?
 
 Here is my WATTCP.CFG file:
 
 my_ip = 192.168.1.41 (assigned via DHCP, then manual edit file)
 nameserver = 8.8.8.8(google public nameserver)
 gateway = 192.168.1.1  (my wireless router)
 netmask = 255.255.254.0
 
 You need to set up some environment variables.
 I put all the lynx files in a directory called c:\lynx.
 
 I then deleted the local WATTCP.CFG file since I already have one.  Again the 
 behavior is squirrely perhaps because it's using WATT-32.
 
 SET WATTCP.CFG  = C:\
 SET HOME=C:\lynx
 SET LYNX_CFG=C:\lynx\lynx.cfg
 
 Put yourself into the directory c:\lynx, type lynx, things start working...
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Lynx issues

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Hello,
Just got lynx running under freedos. I wanted to thank everyone for the help.

I ran dhcp through mTCP and then edited wattcp.cfg manually. I guess now I 
should try and automate some stuff. I wonder why I can't get Ntool to work? I 
think It would be easier to automate stuff if I got Ntool to work.

I have a question about lynx I went to YouTube.com and was going to search for 
a video and lynx asked me to download an application. Just wondering if it is 
safe to download the application? And will lynx need software to run, like will 
a lot of sites want me to download applications and software?

Also I wonder are there limitations to lynx running in freedos. Like I wonder 
with YouTube how would dos play a video? Just curious, I think it is neat to 
browse with lynx.

Anyway thanks again. And any added info or help would be great.

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 I got Lynx 2.8.5 running on FreeDOS in Virtual Box on Windows.  I was able to 
 navigate to yahoo.com and some other spots.
 
 There are some anomolies in the way Lynx works compared to typical WATTCP 
 programs.
 
 It looks like Lynx is using WATT-32 which makes sense in retrospect since 
 Lynx is compiled with DJGPP.
 
 Apparently DHCP does not work right in this case.  I detected that Lynx sends 
 a DHCP request message immediately rather than the expected DHCP discover 
 message (which if successful is then followed by DHCP request).
 
 Bottom line: Lynx does not work with DHCP.  Someone would need to re-link 
 with a later version of WATT-32 assuming that there exists a later version 
 with DHCP working right.
 
 So the idea of using NTOOL is probably the right way to go here.
 
 Here is my WATTCP.CFG file:
 
 my_ip = 192.168.1.41 (assigned via DHCP, then manual edit file)
 nameserver = 8.8.8.8(google public nameserver)
 gateway = 192.168.1.1  (my wireless router)
 netmask = 255.255.254.0
 
 You need to set up some environment variables.
 I put all the lynx files in a directory called c:\lynx.
 
 I then deleted the local WATTCP.CFG file since I already have one.  Again the 
 behavior is squirrely perhaps because it's using WATT-32.
 
 SET WATTCP.CFG  = C:\
 SET HOME=C:\lynx
 SET LYNX_CFG=C:\lynx\lynx.cfg
 
 Put yourself into the directory c:\lynx, type lynx, things start working...
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] ntool help

[James Collins]

hello,

I reinstalled freedos to get a fresh start.

I just now have been fooling around with ntool and mTCP. 

just now I got dhcp under mTCP to work. but now it isn't working. I can't get 
ntool to work either? 

when I run dhcp through mTCP I get an error: failure to get dhcp address. check 
your cabling and packet driver settings.

I have tcp.cfg, edited and I have the packet driver that I need. and the packet 
driver is loaded via autoexec.bat.

and I just got dhcp to work. when I run ntool I get bootp/dhcp failed.

like I said I reinstalled freedos, one reason I did reinstall was to try to 
figure anything about wattcp.cfg.

as far as I know I have wattcp.cfg in
c:\fdos\bin\wattcp.cfg

I edited wattcp.cfg to just have the line my_ip=dhcp
when I run ntool and it fails, I then look at wattcp.cfg and it is empty? like 
the my_ip=dhcp is gone. mtcp's dhcp doesn't do this. 

I just renamed wattcp.cfg to wattold.cfg and ran ntool again it ran without any 
error and wrote nothing to the screen.

this makes me think that these programs are like you said getting a fixed ip 
somewhere. but I am not sure.

like I said I reinstalled freedos. 

any help would be appreciated

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On Mar 17, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Willi Wasser wiw...@web.de wrote:

 i just tried to run ntool and i got back an ip address of:
 MY_IP=0.0.0.0
 
 NTOOL is a WATTCP application itself, one that is linked to a relatively 
 recent version of the WATTCP library that does support dhcp properly. That 
 means, it will try to get its ip parameters from dhcp if the WATTCP.CFG file 
 it finds at program start tells it to do so by specifying MY_IP=DHCP or if 
 it doesn't find a WATTCP.CFG file at all. In this case it will write 
 something like Configuring through BOOTP/DHCP to the screen.
 
 If on the other hand it finds a WATTCP.CFG file that defines a static ip 
 address, then it will simply accept this setting, assuming that you know what 
 you are doing. Nevertheless NTOOL -g   will output the actual ip parameters 
 that are in effect in this moment.
 
 So if NTOOL just tells you MY_IP=0.0.0.0 without any message about using 
 dhcp, then you probably have a WATTCP.CFG file somwhere which defined that 
 address. Probably you just copied that file from somewhere and failed to 
 adjust it to your personal needs. Try to find that file and make it 
 invisible to the program, by re-naming it or by deleting it completely.
 
 If that helps, you could even try whether you need NTOOL (or any other 
 external dhcp client) at all. Perhaps lynx just has the very same problem? If 
 the lynx version you use, is also linked to a more recent version of WATTCP, 
 then it could do this all by itself. It not, you could still use NTOOL.
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] ntool help

[James Collins]

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On Mar 19, 2011, at 1:00 PM, cordat...@aol.com wrote:

 First, it was not necessary to re-install FreeDOS.
 
 Lynx, Ntool, and all other WATTCP programs are applications, not part of the 
 operating system.
 The only OS related thing to consider is whether the packet driver is loaded. 
 
 It sounds like now that your virtual machine settings may have changed such 
 that DHCP is not
 working.
 
 But back to your original problem - how to know if you are accessing the 
 right WATTCP.CFG file?
 
 You can add a line to WATTCP.CFG using the PRINT directive.  So create a 
 WATTCP.CFG file
 which contains only the following line:
 
 PRINT = James WATTCP.CFG file has been accessed
 
 Or whatever text you want.  When you run either NTOOL or LYNX if you see this 
 line printed out during
 initialization then you know that your config file and not that of some evil 
 genius, has been accessed.

I added the print line, and when I ran ntool it displayed the print statement 
and then bootp/dhcp failed

 
 WATTCP will access one and only one config file. First it looks at the 
 environment variable WATTCP.CFG which represents a directory (not a file 
 name!) if this environment variable does not exist it uses the current 
 directory. It 
 looks first for the file name WATTCP.CFG and if not found for the file name 
 TCP.CFG.

I have under the set command set wattcp.cfg=c:\fdos\bin so should that be a 
directory? I have been assuming that is a file? Ntool is seeing it because it 
printed the line I used in the print statement? 

Maybe why dhcp is working through dhcp is because it is using tcp.cfg. Because 
dhcp is working now when I run it through mTCP. 

I just ran it again and now it isn't working. I do have dhcp set up to run a 
trace maybe someone would like to look at it?
 
 I recommend playing around with different config files using the PRINT 
 directive to completely understand which file the applications will access.  
 You could have one file in directory c:\tmp with PRINT = config file in TMP 
 and another file in C:\BIN with PRINT = config file in BIN and try to 
 access these files by being in the current directory and using the WATTCP.CFG 
 environment variable.
 
 In any case your applications will access one and only one WATTCP.CFG file 
 (unless that config file has the INCLUDE directive).
 
 So that will eliminate a mystery config file setting some strange IP address 
 and get you to the point where you completely understand which config file is 
 being used.
 
 Regarding DHCP not working anymore that sounds like an incorrect packet 
 driver for your VM or a setting on the VM or a virtual bridge 
 misconfiguration.  
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Collins james.collin...@yahoo.com
 To: freedos-user freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Sat, Mar 19, 2011 11:15 am
 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] ntool help
 
 hello,
 
 
 
 
 
 I reinstalled freedos to get a fresh start.
 
 
 
 
 
 I just now have been fooling around with ntool and mTCP. 
 
 
 
 
 
 just now I got dhcp under mTCP to work. but now it isn't working. I can't get 
 
 
 ntool to work either? 
 
 
 
 
 
 when I run dhcp through mTCP I get an error: failure to get dhcp address. 
 check 
 
 
 your cabling and packet driver settings.
 
 
 
 
 
 I have tcp.cfg, edited and I have the packet driver that I need. and the 
 packet 
 
 
 driver is loaded via autoexec.bat.
 
 
 
 
 
 and I just got dhcp to work. when I run ntool I get bootp/dhcp failed.
 
 
 
 
 
 like I said I reinstalled freedos, one reason I did reinstall was to try to 
 
 
 figure anything about wattcp.cfg.
 
 
 
 
 
 as far as I know I have wattcp.cfg in
 
 
 c:\fdos\bin\wattcp.cfg
 
 
 
 
 
 I edited wattcp.cfg to just have the line my_ip=dhcp
 
 
 when I run ntool and it fails, I then look at wattcp.cfg and it is empty? 
 like 
 
 
 the my_ip=dhcp is gone. mtcp's dhcp doesn't do this. 
 
 
 
 
 
 I just renamed wattcp.cfg to wattold.cfg and ran ntool again it ran without 
 any 
 
 
 error and wrote nothing to the screen.
 
 
 
 
 
 this makes me think that these programs are like you said getting a fixed ip 
 
 
 somewhere. but I am not sure.
 
 
 
 
 
 like I said I reinstalled freedos. 
 
 
 
 
 
 any help would be appreciated
 
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 
 
 
 On Mar 17, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Willi Wasser wiw...@web.de wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
  i just tried to run ntool and i got back an ip address of:
 
 
  MY_IP=0.0.0.0
 
 
  
 
 
  NTOOL is a WATTCP application itself, one that is linked to a relatively 
 
 
 recent version of the WATTCP library that does support dhcp properly. That 
 
 
 means, it will try to get its ip parameters from dhcp if the WATTCP.CFG file 
 it 
 
 
 finds at program start tells it to do so by specifying MY_IP=DHCP or if it 
 
 
 doesn't find a WATTCP.CFG file at all. In this case it will write something 
 like 
 
 
 Configuring through BOOTP/DHCP to the screen.
 
 
  
 
 
  If on the other hand it finds

Re: [Freedos-user] ntool help

[James Collins]

How do I load the packet driver manually? I have been running autoxec.bat via 
reboot to load the packet driver.

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On Mar 19, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Willi Wasser wiw...@web.de wrote:

 
 If NTOOL tells you bootp/dhcp failed it means exactly what it says. But 
 this can have two different reasons. Either your packet driver is OK, but no 
 dhcp server answered NTOOL's request. In this case there must be a problem 
 with the dhcp server.
 
 Or your packet driver did not load properly, possibly because it is 
 misconfigured or invoked with incorrect parameters. Watch carefully the 
 messages the packet driver issues while loading. Sometimes it helps in 
 debugging to load the packet driver manually as it is easier this way to read 
 all the messages. Usually the packet driver reports the ehternet address of 
 the card it found. Does it look reasonable?
 
 And mTCP's DHCP message failure to get dhcp address. check your cabling and 
 packet driver settings means the very same thing.
 
 If you failed to load the packet driver completely, then NTOOL would tell you 
 NO PACKET DRIVER FOUND while mTCP's DHCP would write Could not access 
 packet driver. 
  
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] ntool help

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From: Willi Wasser wiw...@web.de
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 4:12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] ntool help


 hello,
 I want to use ntool to redirect output of dhcp to wattcp.cfg.
 I am confused by the -g command line option. what does str mean?
 does anyone know what I would enter, using ntool to redirect output of dhcp 
 to 
wattcp.cfh?

The short answer is: NTOOL -gWATTCP.CFG

Use one (or more) space characters enclosed in a pair of quotatation marks for 
str. This would give you something like:

MY_IP=192.168.1.1
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
GATEWAY=192.168.1.254
NAMESERVER=192.76.23.54

i just tried to run ntool and i got back an ip address of:
MY_IP=0.0.0.0

i am trying to run lynx, and when i try to start lynx i get an error saying all 
attempts at getting an ip address have failed. the ntool command i used was

ntool -gC:\FDOS\LYNX\WATTCP.CFG

i have typed out the wattcp.cfg file after running ntool and it says my ip as 
alll zeroes.
another question,
when using ntool to get info for wattcp.cfg i first am running ntool with the 
-g 
command line option, 
then i use the set command to set wattcp.cfg to where i had ntool redirect the 
info to, and then i try to start lynx. i am just wondering, in regards to my 
info should that work, i was thinking like you suggested of somehow writing 
some 
batch files if i could get lynx up and running. but i havent been able to start 
it yet.

btw i used mTCP to get my network info. and that seems to be working.

thanks for the help.

which is exactly what you need as a (minimal) WATTCP.CFG file. If you need a 
more sohisticated WATTCP.CFG set-up, you could write a second file (say 
WATTCP0.CFG), that holds all those entries not provided by NTOOL. e.g. like 
this:

TXBUFSIZE=8196
RXBUFSIZE=8196
PRINTER1NAME=LPT1

you would then add some lines like the following ones to your start-up batch 
file:

NTOOL -g WATTCP.CFG
TYPE WATTCP0.CFG  WATTCP.CFG

please observe the double chevrons in the second line, they cause the content 
of 
the second file to be appended to the first one. Otherwise you would just 
clobber it.

Now, what is the purpose of str at all?

The long answer is: It gives you more flexibility. If it is anything but a 
string that consists only of blanks, then str will be prepended to each line 
of NTOOL's output. If you try e.g.

NTOOL -g SET 

(mind the space between the T and the closing quotation mark) then you would 
get something like this:

SET MY_IP=192.168.1.1
SET NETMASK=255.255.255.0
SET GATEWAY=192.168.1.254
SET NAMESERVER=192.76.23.54

re-directing this into a batch file and then calling that (secondary) batchfile 
from the primary one like this:

NTOOL -g SETSETPARM.BAT
@CALL SETPARM.BAT

will cause environment variables to be set with the respective values. These 
variables can then be further processed (used) in many ways.

Or you try 

NTOOL -g ECHO   IPCONFIG.BAT

which would mimic the IPCONFIG commmand known from other TCP/IP implementations.

The reason for the somewhat confusing character of str is that the routine 
within NTOOL that parses the command line only supports command line switches 
(like -g) that have either allways an argument or never. Optional arguments are 
not supported. Therefore the dummy string is required, even if you actually 
don't want to prepend anything. But i think, this is just an inconvenience, not 
a real problem.

BTW, do you know the meaning of the acronym RTFM?  :-)

no. maybe rich text something? i dont know?


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Re: [Freedos-user] lynx

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I am running lynx 2.8.5 it came with the version of freedos that I got. freedos 
1.0. 

I am running freedos through virtualbox on my MacBook pro laptop running mac os 
10.6.4.

I was going to try and get lynx running. I haven't been able to launch it yet. 
I used ntool's -g command line option to redirect my network info to 
wattcp.cfg. I started lynx with:

lynx -cfg c:\fdos\lynx\lynx.cfg

because I had read in the lynx configuration I could use that, if lynx.cfg 
wasn't where lynx would look for it.

I haven't been able to get lynx to startup yet. 

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On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:22 PM, Jose antonio Senna 
jasse...@itelefonica.com.br wrote:

 On March 14 Jim Collins wrote:
 
 I don't think the wattcp.cfg file is a problem, at least 
 judging by the error messages I have been getting (even 
 though I did copy wattcp.cfg into the directory where the 
 lynxbat.bat file is located)
 
 an error I get often is:
 Configuration file /dev/env/DJDIR/lib/lynx.cfg is not available
 
 I have a file in the dir where I have lynxbat.bat that is 
 called lynxcfg.cfg, I don't know if this is the file they 
 are referring to. I have opened lynxcfg.cfg and read some. 
 when I type out lynxcfg.cfg it says a couple of things,
 
 1. it has a comment right at the top and it calls 
 the file lynx.cfg
 2. it has a comment that says the default location of this file is:
 /usr/local/lib/lynx.cfg (unix)
 I am running mac os x, which I think is a form of unix. 
 I went into a terminal on my host computer but I cant find 
 those folders they don't match my host computer.
 
 Michael Brutman asked an important question:
 What version of lynx are you using ? 
 
 I add these other questions:
 1) You say you are using mac os x. This means you are running 
 freedos under an emulator ? 
 
 2) Where did you get yur version of lynx ? I would like to
 take a look at it.
 
 I use lynx everyday, but there are quite a few versions 
 around, and they are not exact replacements of each other.
 I do not use an emulator, but run DOS (DR, Free or MS) as
 the operating system.
 
 AFAIK, lynx looks for a lynx.cfg file in the directory 
 the lynx.exe file resides. You can change this by setting
 the environment variable lynx_cfg . This file is
 not strictly needed, because you may set all options in 
 the command line, but there are so many options that it 
 will be an awkward command line, to say the least. 
 
 Regards
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Re: [Freedos-user] lynx

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On Mar 13, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Jose Antonio Senna jasse...@itelefonica.com.br 
wrote:

 In reply to  my suggestions,  Jim Collins wrote:
 
 set HOME=.
 set wattcp.cfg=%HOME%
 
 set wattcp_cfg=.\
 with an underdash, not a dot.
 
 I edited lynxbat.bat to have the underscore with no luck
 
 
 Did you try 
 
 set HOME=.\
 set wattcp_cfg=%HOME%
 
 I am not sure whether . only shall work,
 or whether you must use .\ to mean the 
 CWD. And what about using
 
 set HOME=.\
 set wattcp_cfg=.\
 
 that is more explicit. 
 
 I just tried it right now at the c:\ prompt-
 c:\fdos\lynx lynx
 c:\fdos\temp\: no such directory
 
 the sign was part of the prompt.
 
 So your current working directory was c:\fdos\lynx ,
 and the wattcp.cfg file was there. So, where the 
 reference to c:\fdos\temp\ came from ?

i looked at the set command, one thing I noticed was my temp dir was listed as
c:\fdos\temp

I think that is why I got the initial error, regarding the temp directory. I 
tried to edit my autoexec.bat file to set my temp directory to where it was 
located in my file structure. which was
c:\fdos\bin\temp
but when I restarted my computer and ran the lynxbat.bat file followed by the 
set command it changed back to
c:\fdos\temp

I did make a temp directory in 
c:\fdos and that error went away

I don't think the wattcp.cfg file is a problem, atleast judging by the error 
messages I have been getting (even though I did copy wattcp.cfg into the 
directory where the lynxbat.bat file is located)

an error I get often is:
Configuration file /dev/env/DJDIR/lib/lynx.cfg is not available

I have a file in the dir where I have lynxbat.bat that is called lynxcfg.cfg, I 
don't know if this is the file they are referring to. I have opened lynxcfg.cfg 
and read some. when I type out lynxcfg.cfg it says a couple of things,

1. it has a comment right at the top and it calls the file lynx.cfg

2. it has a comment that says the default location of this file is:
/usr/local/lib/lynx.cfg (unix)
I am running mac os x, which I think is a form of unix. I went into a terminal 
on my host computer but I cant find those folders they don't match my host 
computer.

lynxcfg.cfg goes on to say that you can  change the default location of 
lynx.cfg in the userdefs.h file and recompile it or you can use the -cfg 
command line option, which I have tried with no luck.

I wonder why my version of freedos called lynx.cfg lynxcfg.cfg. I also wonder 
why my autoexec.bat set the temp directory wrong.

I have tried lynx a number of different ways starting with your suggestions for 
wattcp.cfg. and editing lynxbat.bat a number of different ways, with no luck

any more help would be great
 
 Try the command 
 
 set
 
 without any parameters. This shall display
 all your environment variables, with the
 implicit values already explicited.
 
 Regards
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[Freedos-user] redirecting mTCP dhcp

[James Collins]

hello,
I have been trying to set up lynx on a computer running freedos.

I downloaded mTCP and tried to redirect dhcp to point to a file called 
wattcp.cfg. I changed into my mTCP directory where the dhcp exe is and 
redirected it by using the  character to a directory where I placed wattcp.cfg.

but I get an error when I try to run lynx saying that:

lynx file lynx.lss is not available 

it goes on to say:

all attempt (config-file/dhcp/bootp/rarp) to get a ip-address failed.

I have lynx.lss in two directories where I think lynx would look. also I have 
redirected dhcp which I got from mTCP, and I think is working correctly to 
wattcp.cfg. 

but I can't get lynx to startup.

any help would be appreciated

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[Freedos-user] ntool help

[James Collins]

hello,
I want to use ntool to redirect output of dhcp to wattcp.cfg.

I am confused by the -g command line option. what does str mean?

does anyone know what I would enter, using ntool to redirect output of dhcp to 
wattcp.cfh?

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[Freedos-user] setting up lynx

[James Collins]

hello,

I have freedos running in virtualbox on my laptop. I am trying to set up lynx 
which came with freedos.

I could use some help. when I first tried to run the lynx exe file I got an 
error saying that c:\fdos\temp directory doesn't exist. 

I was told by a member of the mailing list, that I should run the batch files 
that came with lynx. and to edit  some files to set up some paths to wattcp.cfg.

I have looked on google for info on setting up lynx with freedos. but haven't 
found any info.

I thought maybe someone on the mailing list could help me.

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Re: [Freedos-user] lynx

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On Mar 11, 2011, at 9:54 PM, Jose Antonio Senna jasse...@itelefonica.com.br 
wrote:

 James Collins said:
 
 I looked at lynxbat.bat and the batch files says:
 set HOME=.
 set wattcp.cfg=%HOME%
 so is the batch file expecting to find wattcp.cfg 
 in the current directory?
 It is telling lynx to search for wattcp.cfg in the 
 current working directory. Note that (at least for 
 the version of lynx I use), it should have been
 set wattcp_cfg=.\
 with an underdash, not a dot.
I edited lynxbat.bat to have the underscore with no luck
 
 I copied wattcp.cfg to the directory where lynbat.bat 
 is, on my computer it is c:\fdos\lynx 
 I know wattcp.cfg is on my computer at
 c:\fdos\bin, that is where I copied it from
 should I edit the batch file to reflect this, 
 The wattcp_cfg variable shall point to whatever 
 directory your wattcp.cfg file is in. Note that
 the file wattcp.cfg is rewritten at every 
 restart of the connection.
 
 the %, confuses me. 
 This is to tell DOS it shall replace the name between 
 the % signs with the environment variable so named.
 
 I just tried it right now at the c:\ prompt-
 c:\fdos\lynx lynx
 c:\fdos\temp\: no such directory
  Did you type the greater than sign between
 the first and the second lynx in the second
 line above or c:\fdos\lynx was your current
 directory and the sign was part of the prompt ?
the sign was part of the prompt.
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Dhcp

[James Collins]

hello
I am a little confused about lynx. I looked at lynxbat.bat and the batch files 
says:

set HOME=.
set wattcp.cfg=%HOME%

so is the batch file expecting to find wattcp.cfg in the current directory?

I coppied wattcp.cfg to the directory where lynbat.bat is, on my computer it is 
c:\fdos\lynx 

I know wattcp.cfg is on my computer at
c:\fdos\bin, that is where I copied it from

should I edit the batch file to reflect this, the %, confuses me. like should I 
say:
set wattcp.cfg=%dosdir%\bin\wattcp.cfg

I did run the batch files but when I try to run lynx I get no such directory. I 
just tried it right now at the c:\ prompt-

c:\fdos\lynx lynx
c:\fdos\temp\: no such directory

I could use some help figuring this out
thanks in advance

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:05 PM, ellsn...@aol.com wrote:

 When I installed lynx, I had to change some of the directories in the 
 batch files. Check if the wattcp.cfg directory is correct in 
 %dosdir%\lynx\lynxbat.bat. You should run %dosdir%\bin\lynx.bat because 
 the batch file sets some environment variables lynx needs to run. 
 However, you could set them from the command line, but it is easier to 
 use the batch file. Hope this helps.
 
 ---Original Message-
 From: James Collins james.collin...@yahoo.com
 To: freedos-user freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:02 am
 Subject: [Freedos-user] Dhcp
 
 Hello,
 When I installed freedos, I have a MacBook pro running Mac os x snow 
 leopard, the install got hung up on dhcp configuration.
 
 I tried several times where I entered the settings manually edited the 
 configuration file manual and chose the default with no luck.
 
 Most everything else got installed, I was able to get to the c drive 
 etc., I went into the lynx directory and tried to start the lynx 
 executable. But it wouldn't start. My computer said no such directory, 
 even though the lynx file is an executable?
 
 So I am wondering 1. Is there anyway to configure dhcp? Either by 
 reinstalling or setting it up now? 2. If I can't configure dhcp, why 
 did my computer say no such directory when I tried to launch lynx? Like 
 is dos installed properly?
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
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[Freedos-user] freedos installation dhcp problem

[James Collins]

hello,

I am trying to install freedos on a mac using virtualbox. everything goes good 
until I get to the dhcp setup line.

I chose option 1. use default dhcp for wattcp.cfg

but the install hangs with ...no nameserver defined.

just got a new laptop, and can't remember how I got around this problem before. 
I think I had freedos up and running on my old laptop.

any help would be appreciated

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[Freedos-user] cd rom support

[James Collins]

hello,

just got a new laptop. I was just wondering before I install frerdos, is it 
possible to get support of my cd rom drive?

one of the things I found disappointing about freedos was the lack of floppy 
support and cd drive support.

I am wondering if I can somehow install a couple of drivers and edit my 
configuration file if I could get support for a floppy and or cd drive?

thanks in advance

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Re: [Freedos-user] network and usb floppy access on mac [was: Dhcp]

[James Collins]

I am using I GUI program of qemu and when I create my drive that I boot freedos 
from I have options for the hard disk

I have chosen qcow, my other options are no hard disk, new 10mb compressed disk 
image, new 100mb compressed disk image, new 4gb compressed disk image, new 4gb 
raw disk image(for windows), create other disk image, choose other disk image

And when I boot from fdfullcd.iso and run fdisk to create a partition I choose 
the max. 

But when I go to install I get an error on the second screen where there are 
files that can be checked or unchecked the error is:

ERROR! Not enough disk space for package.

I restart and don't install but choose to run freedos from the CDROM to run 
fdisk to try and figure out what is wrong? And it asks me if I want to use 
large disk support, I say yes.

I have an option under fdisk
5. Change current fixed disk drive

Which I think is my problem? When I choose 5. It says there are 2 fixed disk 
drives one has 100mb and 100mb free, but usage is 0%

The other one says 1mb nothing under free and 100% usage

Then underneath these it says c: 1
Which I don't know if the 1 refers to mb or fixed disk 1

But shouldn't 100mb be enough to install freedos? I have tried to install this 
in qemu GUI program several times. And when I initially run fdisk to partition 
the drive I use the max available?

Is it possible that my computer is trying to install to a fixed disk 2? I have 
tried to use option 5. Under fdisk to switch to fixed disk 1 which is like 
100mb,

I am stuck, all the tutorials I have read don't deal with this, so I know 
something isn't right but don't know how to fix it?

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 Hi!
 
 I have used fdisk to partition my drive at like a 100mb
 
 A full install probably needs much more than that...
 
 http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Install#Known_problems
 
 tells about this:
 
 XHARBOUR (a free CLIPPER clone, 8 MB) needs the OWATCOM
 package: That package needs at least 30 MB disk space.
 Other large packages are FPASCAL (free Pascal, 31 MB),
 KRAPTOR (11 MB), Image MAGICK (8 MB), free DOOM (21 MB),
 and VIM (consists of several packages, ca 20 MB). Without
 those packages, installing all other (more than 200) packages
 of the FULLCD needs less than 100 MB disk space.
 
 For sure you can manually install a much smaller amount, but
 I'm not sure how customizable the old installer is.
 
 In the old installer, you can select all packages for
 all categories manually, but of course if you want to
 do that, you have to toggle lots of checkboxes. Default
 is as far as I remember to install whole categories.
 
 (Jim Hall's already been rewriting it lately.)
 
 The new installer is less interactive, I think. People
 have 100s of MB free on every USB stick or SD card...
 
 However, you are of course welcome to do a BASE install
 and then use FDPKG to install a few selected non-BASE
 packages manually later. Actually you can install most
 of the packages simply by unzipping them with any unzip
 tool into your dos directory (e.g. C:\FDOS or FREEDOS)
 and you can download and copy them in any way you like.
 
 Another error I have come across is if I try to format the
 drive it fails saying something like drive sectors
 not 1, 4 , 6, 16, 32 etc but 0.0 kb
 
 I don't know the exact error it returns with result 4.
 And I don't know if these are related
 
 Looking in the FreeDOS FORMAT source code, you may mean:
 
 FATAL: Cluster size not 0.5, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 or 64k but...
 
 When you use FORMAT /D (debug mode) it will return error 59
 which is more fine-grained than error 4, and show more info.
 
 It is possible that you needed to reboot after fdisk and
 before formatting. Another typical problem could be that
 your drive is not a real sector based drive at all. Yet
 at least in DOSEMU, FORMAT would notice that on time and
 show a more useful error message than just about clusters.
 
 If you try to FORMAT in a non-DOS operating system and the
 target drive is not FAT but e.g. NTFS, similar confusion
 could occur. If you can already access a drive, you should
 not format it again anyway. In particular, if your DOS FAT
 drive will be on a multi boot system, you can let existing
 other operating systems format the drive to FAT in a safer
 way and then just let DOS install to that prepared drive.
 
 You should have a look at the FORMAT /D output if you want
 to try using FORMAT again and want to find out what failed.
 Then you can also report more details about the problem.
 
 Good luck!
 
 Eric :-)
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] network and usb floppy access on mac [was: Dhcp]

[James Collins]

I am trying to install freedos with qemu, but I am coming across an error when 
I go to run the install?
The error is saying not enough disk space very early on in the install?

I have used fdisk to partition my drive at like a 100mb

Another error I have come across is if I try to format the drive it fails 
saying something like drive sectors not 1, 4 , 6, 16, 32 etc but 0.0 kb

I don't know the exact error it returns with result 4. And I don't know if 
these are related

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On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:01 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On 1/13/11, James Collins james.collin...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 One of my goals is to set up dhcp, cause I didn't during the install. I
 would like to fool around with lynx within in freedos.
 
 It might be easier to use a native Mac compile of Lynx. I know that's
 probably not what you want to hear, but it's true.
 
 I have some older software like word perfect, some games etc. That I wanted
 to install.
 
 Games are best in DOSBox, esp. when you need SoundBlaster support,
 which modern soundcards don't support natively anymore. Word Perfect
 probably runs there too, but again, it's probably easier to just use a
 native build of something else (AbiWord, OpenOffice, KOffice).   :-/
 
 I really want to be able to type a: at a dos prompt and access my floppy
 drive, right now I can't burn a cd because my cd/DVD drive isn't working, I
 am going to fix it.
 
 You can (try to) boot from USB, probably, but that still won't help if
 you don't have some kind of BIOS. See
 http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ .
 
 I know that I got dosbox to recognize my floppy drive?
 
 DOSBox should recognize it since it just uses the host OS to access 
 everything.
 
 I want to set up mTCP
 which I got to set up dhcp, and I have a folder on my Mac but don't know how
 to get it into freedos?
 
 Mac OS X Terminal - man mount ... You should be able to mount a FAT
 partition from within Mac OS X (or FreeBSD). Also try man mtools
 just in case it's installed.
 
 I have also copied it to a floppy, but freedos isn't recognizing my floppy 
 drive?
 
 Did you install BootCamp? Can you?
 
 I guess one thing I would like to be able to do is put software into freedos
 from my Mac. I have used disk utility to partition my hard drive and I set
 up some fat space. I was originally gonna use it for freedos but then I got
 virtualbox.
 
 BOCHS, QEMU, and VirtualBox have all been known to emulate FreeDOS to
 a reasonable degree (though you need some kind of floppy disk or CD
 image). It's probably your best bet while on a Mac outside of just
 trying Linux + DOSEMU.
 
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[Freedos-user] Dhcp

[James Collins]

Hello,
When I installed freedos, I have a MacBook pro running Mac os x snow leopard, 
the install got hung up on dhcp configuration.

I tried several times where I entered the settings manually edited the 
configuration file manual and chose the default with no luck.

Most everything else got installed, I was able to get to the c drive etc., I 
went into the lynx directory and tried to start the lynx executable. But it 
wouldn't start. My computer said no such directory, even though the lynx file 
is an executable?

So I am wondering 1. Is there anyway to configure dhcp? Either by reinstalling 
or setting it up now? 2. If I can't configure dhcp, why did my computer say no 
such directory when I tried to launch lynx? Like is dos installed properly?

Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Dhcp

[James Collins]

Thanks for the reply and link,

I downloaded mTCP, 
So I guess I have to install this, some how and then I can reinstall freedos 
and dhcp should configure?

I have to read the files that came with mTCP, 

Thanks again, any help with setting this up would be great.

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 On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, James Collins
 james.collin...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello,
 When I installed freedos, I have a MacBook pro running Mac os x snow 
 leopard, the install got hung up on dhcp configuration.
 
 I tried several times where I entered the settings manually edited the 
 configuration file manual and chose the default with no luck.
 
 Most everything else got installed, I was able to get to the c drive etc., I 
 went into the lynx directory and tried to start the lynx executable. But it 
 wouldn't start. My computer said no such directory, even though the lynx 
 file is an executable?
 
 So I am wondering 1. Is there anyway to configure dhcp? Either by 
 reinstalling or setting it up now? 2. If I can't configure dhcp, why did my 
 computer say no such directory when I tried to launch lynx? Like is dos 
 installed properly?
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 Did you install a TCP stack in the first place? That doesn't come
 natively. If not this one is a (good) possibility:
 
 http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Dhcp

[James Collins]

Hello,
I am wondering how to get a file I downloaded into freedos? Is there away in 
freedos to copy a folder into freedos?

What I was going to do was edit the mTCP configuration file put it on my c:\ 
drive and then run dhcp?

But I don't know how to get the folder into my freedos c drive?

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Mike Eriksen thinstation.m...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM, James Collins
 james.collin...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thanks for the reply and link,
 
 I downloaded mTCP,
 So I guess I have to install this, some how and then I can reinstall freedos 
 and dhcp should configure?
 
 Install it on top of FreeDOS - first FD then mTCP. I only used it once
 last summer so I'm not experienced, but at that time it was trivial.
 Just read the docs.
 
 Mike
 
 I have to read the files that came with mTCP,
 
 Thanks again, any help with setting this up would be great.
 
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 On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Mike Eriksen thinstation.m...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, James Collins
 james.collin...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello,
 When I installed freedos, I have a MacBook pro running Mac os x snow 
 leopard, the install got hung up on dhcp configuration.
 
 I tried several times where I entered the settings manually edited the 
 configuration file manual and chose the default with no luck.
 
 Most everything else got installed, I was able to get to the c drive etc., 
 I went into the lynx directory and tried to start the lynx executable. But 
 it wouldn't start. My computer said no such directory, even though the 
 lynx file is an executable?
 
 So I am wondering 1. Is there anyway to configure dhcp? Either by 
 reinstalling or setting it up now? 2. If I can't configure dhcp, why did 
 my computer say no such directory when I tried to launch lynx? Like is dos 
 installed properly?
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 Did you install a TCP stack in the first place? That doesn't come
 natively. If not this one is a (good) possibility:
 
 http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Dhcp

[James Collins]

The part of the email that goes from where? I don't have in my email.

I have a folder on my desktop on my MacBook pro that I want to copy into 
freedos. I copied the folder to an external USB floppy on my laptop. But 
freedos isn't recognizing it. I was thinking that this might be a virtualbox 
issue rather than freedos. I am going to try and figure out how I can get 
freedos to recognize my floppy drive.

Is there a way to have freedos recognize files on my hard drive? Like can I 
copy files from my macs hard drive into freedos?

The part of the email c:\old etc. I dont understand?

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 Hi,
 
 On 1/12/11, James Collins james.collin...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I am wondering how to get a file I downloaded into freedos? Is there away in
 freedos to copy a folder into freedos?
 
 What I was going to do was edit the mTCP configuration file put it on my c:\
 drive and then run dhcp?
 
 But I don't know how to get the folder into my freedos c drive?
 
 From where? ren c:\old c:\new should work. Or across different
 drives you probably have to do move d:\old c:\new. Or just xcopy /s
 d:\old c:\new (doesn't delete d:\old\*.*). Beware the move doesn't
 delete +r bug. (A decent file manager like Doszip or NDN helps a lot
 here.)
 
 Nobody mentioned it yet, but I think the real problem is that the FD
 1.0 .ISO had broken network detection. Or at least that's what I
 heard. I don't understand networking at all, and most of my hardware
 seems to always lack drivers, so I never bothered trying in FreeDOS
 (and have troubles even with more popular OSes, yuck).
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] network and usb floppy access on mac [was: Dhcp]

[James Collins]

Hello,
One of my goals is to set up dhcp, cause I didn't during the install. I would 
like to fool around with lynx within in freedos.

I have some older software like word perfect, some games etc. That I wanted to 
install.

I really want to be able to type a: at a dos prompt and access my floppy drive, 
right now I can't burn a cd because my cd/DVD drive isn't working, I am going 
to fix it.

I know that I got dosbox to recognize my floppy drive? I want to set up mTCP 
which I got to set up dhcp, and I have a folder on my Mac but don't know how to 
get it into freedos? I have also copied it to a floppy, but freedos isn't 
recognizing my floppy drive?

I guess one thing I would like to be able to do is put software into freedos 
from my Mac. I have used disk utility to partition my hard drive and I set up 
some fat space. I was originally gonna use it for freedos but then I got 
virtualbox.



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On Jan 12, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On 1/12/11, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:
 
 As Mac understands FAT,
 it might help to copy the files to any FAT drive, eg
 USB stick, USB harddisk or floppy, and then connect
 that to your VirtualBox (probably configuration thing
 which needs restarting the DOS)...
 
 Not sure, I think directly using USB from inside VirtualBox is
 experimental (read: probably buggy) and not supported in the OSE
 version. (Sorry to be such a pessimist.)
 
 Note that for normal PC BIOSes you often get USB drives
 recognized by having them connected before DOS boots...
 In that case, DOS does not need a driver as the BIOS is
 doing the work.
 
 Forgot about that, yeah it sometimes works (with bugs), but it does
 also mean you can't hotplug / swap at runtime.
 
 In virtualbox, support might differ and
 if you try using DOS USB drivers there, virtualbox will
 have to simulate USB hardware/chipset connected to your
 actual USB drive, which might complicate things.
 
 I do know that VirtualBox has some issues with DOS (e.g. no SB
 support), so normally I don't use DOS there. Not sure if they fixed
 some of them (EMM386 conflict) though one of the recent ones claims
 to. Probably unchecking VT-X in the config helps but is slower.
 
 There was some page by Uli Hansen about the use of
 various network stuff with DOS, MS network shares
 via MSCLIENT included as far as I remember.
 
 Right, did I accidentally say MS SHARE? I meant NET SHARE or
 whatever the syntax is.
 
 In DOSEMU things are usually easy, but that is only
 available for Linux. Not sure about BSD Unixes such
 as MacOS in that context.
 
 *BSD has doscmd but I haven't tried it (yet), probably very buggy and
 weak as it's quite old and unmaintained. I know they claim DOSBox and
 VirtualBox both work on BSD. There are even still others (pcxt, pcemu)
 untested by me. But yeah, DOSEMU is Linux only, but you can (I think?)
 boot Ubuntu off Macs nowadays.
 
 There are floppy images like NWDSK (veder.com?) which
 autodetect many network chipsets.
 
 Call me a skeptic, but things like that almost never work (for me).
 Others smarter than me seem to have better luck, though (e.g. BTTR
 crowd).
 
 P.S. The obvious question is, What application(s) are you trying to
 run on FreeDOS? It's easier when we know the goal to make concrete
 suggestions.
 
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[Freedos-user] 4th boot menu inactive

[James D Baker]

Greetings

I have freedos installed to hard disk (from full iso) and working but
the 4th boot menu option boot with out drivers can not be activated.
I am trying to run turbocnc 4.01 and they recommend no emm loaded.
turbocnc fails (unhandled exception 000E at 0020 1CAD errcode 0002) and
I'd like to try running it without emm running. 

How can I activate the 4th boot menu option to run freedos with no
drivers?  Or failing that; how to get rid of emm after booting up with
it active?

thanks

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Re: [Freedos-user] 4th boot menu inactive

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On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 20:57 +0200, Ulrich Hansen wrote:
 edit C:\FDCONFIG.SYS
 
 The problem was this: There wasn't any line that included the fourth 
 option as a choice (1234?) only lines with choices 123?. 

Thank you for responding.  
Editing fdconfig.sys fixed the 4th menu option problem.
And that fixed my TurboCNC problem.  

So all is well now!

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Re: [Freedos-user] crash with balder

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Eric Auer wrote:
 Hi again,

   
 Now for the 1.0 ISO I am absolutely sure that it does have a
 menu with several choices - more than just pressing return.
   

   
 www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/fdbasecd.iso
 doesn't.
 

   
 I ran balder in dosbox and it worked but I can't burn it to cd because
 k3b says it is invalid (maybe because it is a floppy image.
 

 I downloaded the ISO myself and got the md5sum:
 c9bfcf2d08dbe8bdb1fe95fb339e0b2b  fdbasecd.iso (812 bytes)

 I have also tested it with k3b: You select Extras - CD -
 Burn CD Image file. This is k3b version 0.11, I am sure your
 version of k3b has even more functions :-).

   
 The exact menu options are:
 1. continue booting from CD
 2. boot from the first hard drive
 3. boot from floppy
 4. skip CD and try first  boot device
 

 Yes and after you select booting from CD you get the NEXT menu
 which should give you several options again. The next menu may
 have a shorter timeout and select some default by itself if you
 do not press a key on time, but the next menu does exist :-).

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I bought a floppy and I had to remove 2 PCI cards to put it in and now 
it boots.
I updated the BIOS while I had the cards out.
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Re: [Freedos-user] crash with balder

[James]

 Hi James,

 [freedos 1.0] crashes after I press return on the menu.

 Now for the 1.0 ISO I am absolutely sure that it does have a
 menu with several choices - more than just pressing return.
I think the first menu shows 3-4 options and press return is continue
booting from CD.
There are options to boot fro either of my 2 hard disks (2 options).
I don't remember an option to boot without ems but I will dig. :-)


 So you can select another menu item, for example boot without
 emm386 driver for ems / umb. There are several menu items
 and there are even several menus. Please tell exactly in which
 menu which choice fails in which way. If a menu goes ways too
 quickly, you can usually hit a cursor key or similar so DOS
 knows you are busy making a selection and stops the timeout
 which would normally select a default after a while. You can
 even use the pause key on the upper right of your keyboard
 (and continue by hitting another key).

 www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/stuff/soft/specials/sys-freedos-linux.zip
 How do I run 'sys' under Linux?

 That is a bit complicated to use, but basically you do something
 like perl ./sys-freedos.pl --lba --disk=/dev/fd0 for diskette.

 For harddisk, you would select ONLY the fat filesystem in question,
 NOT the whole harddisk... Otherwise you would overwrite your whole
 partitioning scheme. So sys in Linux is basically as dangerous
 as fdisk in DOS - one wrong choice and you have messed up your
 PC. Of course expert users can often fix it again without losing
 a single file, but this can be very complicated.


 So... Please do figure out how to gain more control over
 Balder or the CDROM distro before you try to SYS from Linux.
 This will also help us to find out what is wrong with the
 diskette and cdrom distro and whether it is sufficient to
 do a clever selection of menu items to work around.

 Thanks! Eric

 PS: Please give more information about the kind of hardware
 you are using. What sort of PC, harddisk, cdrom/dvd, BIOS,
 which CPU, how much RAM, any sound, scsi, raid, sata, net...?


I have an ASRock Alive NF5 eSata2+ motherboard
first release BIOS which is the whole point to update via freedos.
An AMD Athlon X2 4000+
4GB of RAM
2 SATA hard disks
DVD RW
no floppy
sound on the motherboard
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Re: [Freedos-user] crash with balder

[James Lockie]

Eric Auer wrote:
 Hi James,

   
 [freedos 1.0] crashes after I press return on the menu.
 

 Now for the 1.0 ISO I am absolutely sure that it does have a
 menu with several choices - more than just pressing return.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/fdbasecd.iso)
 
doesn't.
I ran balder in dosbox and it worked but I can't burn it to cd because 
k3b says it is invalid (maybe because it is a floppy image.

I made a CD with the boot image balder10.img and it still crashes.

The exact menu options are:
1. continue booting from CD
2. boot from the first hard drive
3. boot from floppy
4. skip CD and try first  boot device

I wish I could capture the screen.

I ran 'boot balder10.img' from dosbox and I got a menu I'd never seen and it 
didn't crash.



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Re: [Freedos-user] crash with balder

[James Lockie]

When I boot balder10.img from dosbox, it says PCI BIOS Invalid; XDMA 
not loaded!.
I'd flash my bios from dosbox but I doubt that is a good idea.

I put a screen capture of dos box:
http://lockie.ca/test/boot_000.png


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Re: [Freedos-user] crash with balder

[James Lockie]

Eric Auer wrote:
 Hi James,

   
 Grrr, balder crashes too. :-(
 

 Did you try -not- loading emm386?
   
I just ran the boot disk as-is.
   
 0CD5 ECA0 0A07 1105 1B80 90A2 0001 4200 00FB 0080  0549 0002 90A2
 0CD5 ECA0 0A07 1105 5010 9989 0001 4200  0280  5873B 0002
 

 Same crash, which program were you running at that moment?
   
I will play with the autoexec.bat and see if I can narrow it down.
   
 I burned a couple of CD that both crashed so I decided
 not to waste  anymore CDs. :-)
 

 When will people learn to use cd-rw or dvd-rw...?
   
Good idea.
I'll get one of those.
   
 I use k3b and I didn't see any option to use a floppy boot image.
 

 You first start a data cd or dvd project and then select
 project - edit boot images.
   
Cool, thanks.
   
 Is there a way to extend FAT?
 

 Extend in what way?
   
Make the partition larger than 1.44KB so I can easily fit more stuff on it.
   
 I did 'cat balder10.img  /dev/sdc' to make my USB key (/dev/sdc)
 boot but I am having a hard time making the new BIOS fit.
 

 That would be a strange way to deal with a diskette image.
 Try using usblinux / isolinux or try using

 www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/stuff/soft/specials/sys-freedos-linux.zip

 Eric

Ok, thanks.


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Re: [Freedos-user] crash with balder

[James Lockie]

Eric Auer wrote:
 Hi James,

   
 I just ran the boot disk as-is.
 

 There should be some sort of boot menu which lets you
 select whether you want to load the EMS / UMB driver emm386.
 You can use F8 to single step over config / autoexec.
 You usually do want to load HIMEM, but not emm386.
   
I didn't have a boot menu, it crashed too soon.
I figured it ight have  been the way I put it on my USB key but I put 
this on CD 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/fdbasecd.iso
and it crashes after I press return on the menu.
It is better but still no use.

0CD5 ECA0 0A07 1105 1B80 9D22 0001 4200 00FB 0080  0549 0002


 You can also update it to jemm386 from Japheth.de but all
 emm386 can have the problem that they sometimes need manual
 configuration to run stable, so they are not one size fits
 all and should therefore be avoided in universal default
 configuration options imho. On the other hand, UMBs are a
 good way to have more DOS RAM free and automatic default
 configuration often works, so a good distro will have a
 non-default boot menu item with a safe emm386 config :-)

   
 I will play with the autoexec and see if I can narrow it down.
 

 Do not forget fdconfig sys or - if none exists - config sys...
 FreeDOS uses the former if present and the latter otherwise.

   
 Make the partition larger than 1.44KB so I can easily
 fit more stuff on it.
 

 Ah then you probably do not want a diskimage distro. You
 will instead want something like take a FAT partition,
 copy kernel sys and command com on it, and run SYS to make
 it bootable / add a bootsector. That should work with

 www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/stuff/soft/specials/sys-freedos-linux.zip

 but if you formatted the partition with mkdosfs (dosfstools)
 then you may need some extra manual settings for this tool.

 If you want to make some USB stick bootable, the best choice
 is to leave it FAT-formatted as it is, not reformat it. You
 may also have to use fdisk to mark the partition as bootable
 and / or add bootable MBR code, but this will depend on your
 BIOS. It is quite normal that a modern BIOS can use the first
 partition on some USB device (USB stick, ZIP, etc) to simulate
 a large unpartitioned drive, making the active / bootable
 flag and MBR code less relevant for USB booting.

 Eric
   
How do I run 'sys' under Linux?


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[Freedos-user] crash

[James Lockie]

I downloaded http://odin.fdos.org/fdodin06.bin.zip and put it on my 
flash drive to be bootable.
Is there a more recent bootable version because that crashes.

1.1.33 build 2033 Jan 31 2004
interrupt divide by zero, stack:
0CD5 ECA0 0A07 1105 5010 9989 0001 4200  0280  5873B 0002


I've tried other (probably) older versions but they crash on my new 
machine too.
I do not have a floppy and I run Linux.
I have an ASRock-ALive NF%-eSata2+ mb.
I just want to update the BIOS.

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[Freedos-user] crash with balder

[James Lockie]

Eric Auer wrote:
 Hi James,

   
 I downloaded http://odin.fdos.org/fdodin06.bin.zip
 and put it on my flash drive to be bootable.
 Is there a more recent bootable version because that crashes.
 

 Yes ODIN is totally outdated. Please let me know what linked
 to this version, so we can update the link to point to

 www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/balder/
   
Grrr, balder crashes too. :-(
Build 2036 Aug 18, 2006
interrupt dive by zero, stack:
0CD5 ECA0 0A07 1105 1B80 90A2 0001 4200 00FB 0080  0549 0002 90A2

   
 1.1.33 build 2033 Jan 31 2004
 interrupt divide by zero, stack:
 0CD5 ECA0 0A07 1105 5010 9989 0001 4200  0280  5873B 0002
 I've tried other (probably) older versions but they crash on my new
 machine too.
 I do not have a floppy and I run Linux.
 I have an ASRock-ALive NF%-eSata2+ mb.
 I just want to update the BIOS.
 

 You may want to boot from cdrom or dvd :-) Most cd-writing tools
 let you make a cd/dvd bootable by adding a diskette image. For
 example the Balder one (even that is not most recent, Rugxulo
 would probably be even better but is work in progress) :-).
   

I burned a couple of CD that both crashed so I decided not to waste 
anymore CDs. :-)

I use k3b and I didn't see any option to use a floppy boot image. :-(
I'll ask on that mailing list.

Is there a way to extend FAT?
I did 'cat balder10.img  /dev/sdc' to make my USB key (/dev/sdc) boot 
but I am having a hard time making the new BIOS fit.

 Eric



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[Freedos-user] Install has run amok on my hard drives

[James Haley]

Hello,

I could barely understand any of the installation directions for FreeDOS 
because they were muddled up with information that does not pertain to me, 
as I already have a primary FAT partition just waiting and ready to receive 
it, so I just went ahead and ran the install off the bootable CD hoping that 
it would be clear enough for me to follow. Boy, I was wrong.

My system is setup like this:

[Main drive]
[Primary Partition: NTFS (WinXP)] - Windows calls this C:
[Secondary Paritition: FAT32 (Recovery] - Windows calls this D:, FreeDOS 
calls it C:

[Slave Drive]
[Primary Partition: FAT] - Windows calls this F:, FreeDOS calls it D:

I wanted FreeDOS to leave my Recovery Partition alone and to install itself 
on my D: drive. Instead, without any instruction from me, it has modified my 
recovery partition, possibly rendering it permanently useless, and it 
installed the packages to D: -- the C: drive isn't even bootable! If I try 
booting that disk, it boots XP because XP is in the primary partition, 
naturally.

I tried to make D: bootable by using the sys command, but when I boot the 
disk now, I see some kind of unintelligible menu about an IO error that 
stays on the screen for approximately one second before being flooded away 
by about 1000 pages worth of identical Invalid Opcode errors. Once these 
stop, pressing anything or attempting to reboot the system causes an 
additional few hundred pages worth of semi-random ASCII to fly by and then 
the system hard locks while blaring a high-pitched tone on the PC speaker.

I'm sure FreeDOS is great to use, but only if you can actually install it. 
What have I done wrong, how can I fix it, and for God's sake, can somebody 
please just explain the process of how to get FreeDOS onto a particular disk 
without discussing things I *don't* need to do like FDISK or formatting? If 
it isn't possible to use FreeDOS the way I want to (bootable from what it 
thinks is my D: drive), I would also appreciate that being stated in plain 
English. I'm a smart guy with a CS degree, but this stuff is still opaque to 
me.

Thanks,

James Haley




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Re: [Freedos-user] freedos installation

[James Haley]

Thanks to your tip I was able to capture the error message:

--
C: HD1, Pri[1],CHS=   0-1-1,start=   0 MB,size=   1027 MB
D: HD2, Pri[2],CHS=   0-1-1,start=   0 MB,size=   3380 MB
IO error: cylinder  1023
IO error: cylinder  1023
Press F8 to trace or F5 to skip CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT
--

Pressing any key at this point causes the invalid opcode error to occur,
although in a different fashion (it happens only twice, and pressing any
key after that does nothing at all).

I'm guessing it doesn't like my hard drive, since it's complaining about
cylinders.  The drive being identified as C: in this case is the drive
called D: if I boot from the CD-ROM. It's a Seagate ST51080a with
1 GB capacity. There was some kind of warning about DOS possibly
requiring it to be configured as 525 cylinders, 64h, 63 sectors instead
of the default 2100 cylinders, resulting in halved disk capacity, but my
BIOS will not allow me to change the disk's configuration. It has
already decided that it has 2100 cylinders and there is no option to
manually configure it.'

I should be able to dual boot, since my BIOS has a built-in boot
manager that lets me choose either the primary hard drive, the
secondary hard drive, the DVD drive, or the network. But since I can't
get this hard drive to configure properly, I guess I'm out of luck?

James Haley

From: Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: freedos installation
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:44:20 +0200 (MEST)

Hi James,
as far as I understand, your XP is still fine, but the
problem is that dos installed itself into the first DOS
partition, which happens to be your recovery partition?
The strange thing here is that your recovery partition
was supposed to be invisible - neither windows nor dos
should have a drive letter for it.
You can hit the pause / break key on the upper right
of your keyboard to read that io error message.
How big is your disk and does your bios detect the
disk size correctly?
You cannot boot DOS from what DOS calls D:, but you can
install packages to any drive which is visible for DOS.
From which operating system did you run sys d: ?
About the error messages - it is just a crash, and it
does not make any difference that you get 1000 identical
error messages about it. Windows would just have silently
rebooted or frozen in such a situation.
About installation again: Either hide the recovery partition
(if Windows has no interface for this, use Linux to set the
partition type from fat32lba to hiddenfat32lba). Then DOS
will call your slave drive c:, or install most of the stuff
to d: and leave the actual DOS kernel on your recovery
partition (as well as config sys or fdconfig sys). Everything
else can be on any drive letter...
You will have to use some sort of boot menu in either case,
as I assume that you want to keep both DOS and Windows on
the same computer. Windows includes one, configurable via
boot.ini... Please send your reply to this mail to the
mailing list again. Thanks!

Eric

PS: If you used beta9sr2 - that one is far too automatic
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Fwd: Re: [osFree] Microsoft's file system patent upheld]

[James Tabor]

Tom Lee Mullins wrote:

Information on the DOS situation.




Subject:
Re: [osFree] Microsoft's file system patent upheld
From:
Davey Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:22:04 -0500
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

So this whole case is based on total BS.
This is just further proof that with enough money one can buy anyone in
the USA government.


Yes! Money Talks and everything else just walks! Shameful!
James


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Re: [Freedos-user] FAT and other file systems

[James Tabor]

Hi,
Christian Voß wrote:

Hi,
 
I can't understand that you talk only about linux filesystems as an 
alternative. There are more options like i.e. HFS, HFS+ and FFS. And HFS 
/HFS+ are under GPL so we can use it without repressions.
And I think it is not more difficult to write HFS or FFS in the kernel 
of FreeDOS than ReiserFS or XFS or all the other candidates.


There is no way around this, unless someone will write a disclaimer, Before
you install FreeDos, do you want to enable Fat32 Patented Features? We are
facing the same issue with Ros. When I use FreeDos, I use the basic 8.3
file system, so I don't see that as a major problem. The point here is the
patent is about LFN, basic 8.3 is not effected.


Thanks,
James


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