Re: Scribus vs. Quark
Hi Fred, I haven't tried scribus, but did see something (mostly positive too!) about it on lowendmac.com, have you read that? Sorry I can't be of more help! Mike On 13 Aug 2009, at 03:18, Fred Thiel fth...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have been looking for a less expensive alternative to Quark xPress. My wife used to work at a print shop and is used to working with it, however we don't have an OSX version and can't really afford to upgrade. She uses it for her work with a local charity and they can't help out, either. I downloaded Scribus from Sourceforge and it looks like it may be what I'm looking for. Does anybody have any experience with Scribus and could give me an evaluation on it with respect to Quark? Or, maybe suggest some other apps, preferably inexpensive or free. Appleworks won't work for what she does. I would like to surprise her with it, so I'm not asking her about it just yet. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Fred --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating from Eudora ?
I have been using Eudora for years and have no complaints. Why do you want to migrate? What, if any, are the advantages of migration to a different mail program? Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
NewerTech v2.5 1.5TB SATA Seagates
Anyone have experience with NewerTech v2.5 SATA External Enclosure (with FW/USB Hub) 1.5TB Seagates of the 7200.11 generation? These Seagates (or similar ones) are on Sale at BestBuy this week. The NewerTech is Oxford 934, and reportedly has issues with the larger drive, offering a workaround of dividing the 1.5TB drive into 2 x 750GB partitions. Does Disk Utility RAID under OS X 10.5.7+ work across such partitions? Striped or Concatenated to make it appear as you have a 1.5TB drive, say for Time machine to work with? I would probably use CCC 3.2.1 with several other partitions within the 750GB one, and RAID the rest for Time Machine. Sound feasible? I'd be working off my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz, and over my Network through the QS from my Digital Audio Dual 533, also on 10.5.7 via CCC for backups of all my Macs, probably only using CCC in the end. I was using TM off the QS, and CCC over the Network. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating from Eudora ?
On 8/13/09 5:59 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: What, if any, are the advantages of migration to a different mail program? Try Thunderbird and you'll never go back. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating from Eudora ?
Some four/five years ago I moved to Thunderbird due to my good experiences with Firefox... until I realized it had corrupted all the mail I have imported from Outlook Express! This included stored emails and attached files. Fortunately, I have saved the mail files and thus nothing valuable was lost. Did anybody suffered the same problem? Gorka from Spain - Original Message - From: Nestamicky To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Migrating from Eudora ? On 8/13/09 5:59 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: What, if any, are the advantages of migration to a different mail program? Try Thunderbird and you'll never go back. __ Información de ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versión de la base de firmas de virus 4331 (20090813) __ ESET NOD32 Antivirus ha comprobado este mensaje. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NewerTech v2.5 1.5TB SATA Seagates
On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Anyone have experience with NewerTech v2.5 SATA External Enclosure (with FW/USB Hub) 1.5TB Seagates of the 7200.11 generation? These Seagates (or similar ones) are on Sale at BestBuy this week. The NewerTech is Oxford 934, and reportedly has issues with the larger drive, offering a workaround of dividing the 1.5TB drive into 2 x 750GB partitions. If by NewerTech v2.5 you mean the OWC miniStack Hard Drive Enclosure Kit, it is more than reportedly has issues with the larger drive. OWC warns clearly in a Special Note for the enclosure: Currently, Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB hard drives are not recommended for use in Newer Technology FireWire enclosures due to a firmware problem with the drive and the enclosure. http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/FWU2MSVS2/ If you have not done so already, a quick Google search about Seagate Barracuda 702.11 drives will provide interesting reading. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 TOWER
It's attached to a sled. Remove the small screw that keeps the sled attached to the tower, then slide the sled and attached hard drive out of the tower. Put in in the other tower and screw the sled into the case. Sent from my cell phone Mike On Aug 10, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Bryan Roth rothwri...@yahoo.com wrote: OK, this is probably a really stupid question, but I just bought an old G4 tower (450 Mhz), and I was wondering how one removes the HD? (I actually bought two...one of which is the good one--but has no HD--the other one has a HD, but is otherwise inferior). I want to take the HD out of the one and install it in the other. I can't seem to see how the original factory-installed HD is fastened into the case--does it require a special tool to remove? Thanks...! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating from Eudora ?
Well this turns out to be a lively thread. Great. First, why do I want to migrate: To get more modern, but mostly there are a few small, picky things that annoy me about Eudroa 6.0 (some may just be due to my ignorance or misuse). 1. I don't like that it distinguishes mailboxes from Folders and only sorts mailboxes to the top of the list. 2. I never seem to get the filters to work as I'd like; 3. any spam feature (if there is one) doesn't work well. So I downloaded Thunderbird, but on my setup (currently on the road, booting from an external HD through an IBook G4) it has one very inconvenient attribute, i.e. often when expanding a Mailbox folder it doesn't respond immediately. Does anyone else experience that? BTW, I downloaded Eudora Mail Cleaner and it seems to work like a charm at least exporting to Thunderbird. I don't think it exports to Outlook though, but it is designed to mitigate the very problem you mention Gorka. It looks like MailForge is still in Beta and in any case not open source. I'm going to take a look at Penelope. Cliff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Scribus vs. Quark
On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Fred Thiel wrote: Does anybody have any experience with Scribus and could give me an evaluation on it with respect to Quark? Or, maybe suggest some other apps, preferably inexpensive or free. Appleworks won't work for what she does. I would like to surprise her with it, so I'm not asking her about it just yet. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Well, let's be frank, Scribus is no Quark. :-) It really depends on how deep a Quark user your wife is, but Scribus is quite a usable page layout program. I've not done any thing horridly complex with it, but it's much better than Appleworks. You might try iWork; Pages is more a decent low-end page layout program than a word processor, really; but when I've used it, it's been more reminiscent of Pagemaker or Ready Set Go than Quark. (hows THAT for a blastfromthepast?) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Scribus vs. Quark
On 2009Aug12, at 20:18 , Fred Thiel wrote: I have been looking for a less expensive alternative to Quark xPress. Big alternatives shoot-out just released here: http://jonwhipple.com/blog/2009/08/08/laying-it-all-out/ I'll let you assess the prices. Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NewerTech v2.5 1.5TB SATA Seagates
On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Anyone have experience with NewerTech v2.5 SATA External Enclosure (with FW/USB Hub) 1.5TB Seagates of the 7200.11 generation? These Seagates (or similar ones) are on Sale at BestBuy this week. The NewerTech is Oxford 934, and reportedly has issues with the larger drive, offering a workaround of dividing the 1.5TB drive into 2 x 750GB partitions. If by NewerTech v2.5 you mean the OWC miniStack Hard Drive Enclosure Kit, it is more than reportedly has issues with the larger drive. Yes. OWC warns clearly in a Special Note for the enclosure: Currently, Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB hard drives are not recommended for use in Newer Technology FireWire enclosures due to a firmware problem with the drive and the enclosure. http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/FWU2MSVS2/ Yes I read that just before I ordered one ... they now say it will probably not be corrected ... been that way for awhile ... and none of the components manufacturer's seem to want to fessup as to who's issue it is (Seagate's drives, NewerTech's enclosure, Oxford's 934). If you have not done so already, a quick Google search about Seagate Barracuda 702.11 drives will provide interesting reading. So you have no experience with the 7200.11s and the miniStack v2.5? i've already read a lot on the web, and it is mostly old stuff. Seagate's newer 7200.12 peaks out at 1TB. And I read recently, most of the 7200.11s have the new firmware already installed. Still curious about RAID across partitions ... does that work as a workaround on an external case such as the miniStack v2.5 and the 1.5TB Seagates. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NewerTech v2.5 1.5TB SATA Seagates
On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Fabian Fang wrote: e not done so already, a quick Google search about Seagate Barracuda 702.11 drives will provide interesting reading. I meant of course Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 drives, and apologize for the typo. So you have no experience with the 7200.11s and the miniStack v2.5? I only have experience with earlier OWC miniStacks. My first v1 miniStack failed within a few weeks. Two replacement units also failed quickly. It seemed to me that either the early miniStacks had design or quality problems, or that OWC might have recycled faulty units. After the quick failure of the third unit, I wrote the OWC owner, who arranged to send me a brand-new v2 unit. It has worked well without problems. For some reason the OWC miniStacks have had problems with Seagate drives all along. The v1 units would not physically accommodate certain Seagate drives, apparently because those were slightly larger than drives of other common brands. I like Seagate drives, and have bought quite a number over the years. In order to avoid possible incompatibility with third-party enclosures, such as the OWC miniStacks, I recently bought a FreeAgent Pro 1TB drive, directly from Seagate in their own enclosure with triple interface (eSata, FireWire, USB), for only $99. It has worked flawlessly. Fabian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating from Eudora ?
Well this turns out to be a lively thread. Great. First, why do I want to migrate: To get more modern, but mostly there are a few small, picky things that annoy me about Eudroa 6.0 (some may just be due to my ignorance or misuse). I trust that you are aware that Eudora is up to Version 6.2.4. I wonder if that would make any difference. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 MDD 887 Graphics
Does anyone know what the best graphics card for the above machine. Also where to get one for reasonable? -- Sent from my mobile device --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again (Solved?)
At 10:30 PM -0400 8/12/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dan wrote:
At 8:09 PM -0400 8/11/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
After an electrical storm today, I plugged everything back in, and I
get the old behavior of several kps on Startup, and after a Safeboot,
things seem to be ok. Seagate 750GB is not dropping out, though, so
far.
It looks like the BootCache gets messed up. From the Panic Log:
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.5.6)@0x6a7000-0x6c7fff
com.apple.BootCache(30.4)@0x65b000-0x660fff
The panic was caused by spotlight's indexing process, being unable to
talk to a HD.
Disable Spotlight's indexing and leave it off.
Need to see the rest of the panic and the related system log.
And after several Restarts, one of which is a {Safeboot, Restart},
things appear normal again (will need to Startup a couple of times to
verify).
I'm wondering if those M-Audio cards are foo'ing the bus. Can you
run a while without them?
Any reasoning why things go awry after turning all strips off, and
unplugging the tower ... then in reverse, starting up again?
Something isn't initializing correctly.
Its probably the M-Audio PCI card. It says from time to time, a driver
piece failed to startup ... there are several files that need to
initialize ... M-Audio keeps telling me no others are reporting such
problems ... ... ...
Could be.
- Dan.
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Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again (Solved?)
On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Dan wrote:
At 10:30 PM -0400 8/12/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Dan wrote:
At 8:09 PM -0400 8/11/2009, Bill Connelly wrote:
After an electrical storm today, I plugged everything back in,
and I
get the old behavior of several kps on Startup, and after a
Safeboot,
things seem to be ok. Seagate 750GB is not dropping out, though, so
far.
It looks like the BootCache gets messed up. From the Panic Log:
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.5.6)@0x6a7000-0x6c7fff
com.apple.BootCache(30.4)@0x65b000-0x660fff
The panic was caused by spotlight's indexing process, being unable to
talk to a HD.
Disable Spotlight's indexing and leave it off.
To the best of my knowledge, it is off. I noticed mds was trying to
run, but since Spotlight is off using the following commands in
Terminal, I believe it is off. Perhaps it tries to Startup, but failed.
I did turn it back on awhile ago, but at your suggestion, I turned it
back off ...
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Leopard-10.5
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/Leopard-10.5
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Tiger-10.4.11
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/Tiger-10.4.11
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/APPS
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/APPS
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/DOCS
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/DOCS
sudo mdutil -i off /Volumes/Classic-9.2.2
sudo mdutil -E /Volumes/Classic-9.2.2
Need to see the rest of the panic and the related system log.
And after several Restarts, one of which is a {Safeboot, Restart},
things appear normal again (will need to Startup a couple of
times to
verify).
I'm wondering if those M-Audio cards are foo'ing the bus. Can you
run a while without them?
Any reasoning why things go awry after turning all strips off, and
unplugging the tower ... then in reverse, starting up again?
Something isn't initializing correctly.
Its probably the M-Audio PCI card. It says from time to time, a
driver
piece failed to startup ... there are several files that need to
initialize ... M-Audio keeps telling me no others are reporting such
problems ... ... ...
Could be.
Just leaving things as is for now ...
As long as I don't turn off the power strip holding the monitor,
amplifier, mixer and yamaha motif digital KB, it doesn't seem to
falter. All my Wall Warts and the Tower are on a main one, which stays
on all the time. Now they both will remain on.
Thanks for looking.
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Rumor: Snow Leopard to support PPC !!
There has been word with in some circles that Apple would support PPC chips with Snow Leopard since day one. They have always been shouted down by the unbelieving masses. The rumor is back and perhaps it's even true. Don't shoot the messenger ;-) No longer really matters to me as my main machine is an Intel HacMac and my PPC Macs are too old. Word is also that SL went Golden Master yesterday(ready to send to the DVD printers) So we will soon know for sure. Contrary to rumors that Apple would drop PowerPC architecture support with its newest OS, a tipster and possible Apple insider was able to get his hands on the most recent build of the yet-to-be released 10.6, and found some evidence that Cupertino might be keeping the chip alive. http://gizmodo.com/5014251/source-os-x-106...t-powerpc-chips --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rumor: Snow Leopard to support PPC !!
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Will Swillsc...@gmail.com wrote: There has been word with in some circles that Apple would support PPC chips with Snow Leopard since day one. They have always been shouted down by the unbelieving masses. The rumor is back and perhaps it's even true. Don't shoot the messenger ;-) No longer really matters to me as my main machine is an Intel HacMac and my PPC Macs are too old. Word is also that SL went Golden Master yesterday(ready to send to the DVD printers) So we will soon know for sure. Contrary to rumors that Apple would drop PowerPC architecture support with its newest OS, a tipster and possible Apple insider was able to get his hands on the most recent build of the yet-to-be released 10.6, and found some evidence that Cupertino might be keeping the chip alive. http://gizmodo.com/5014251/source-os-x-106...t-powerpc-chips Hogwash. IMO it's high time for Apple to drop PPC support, and I still have a PowerMac G5. I'm really looking forward to having an OS that can properly use the Nehalem processors in my new Mac Pro. Leopard is just a stopgap solution on these machines, and all new ones going forward. Alex --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Adobe - PPC support
Adobe has announced their authoring software will no longer support PPC in future versions. no biggie. Anybody know about Flash, Acrobat Reader, etc - the plug in/players future PPC support ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rumor: Snow Leopard to support PPC !!
On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Will S wrote: There has been word with in some circles that Apple would support PPC chips with Snow Leopard since day one. They have always been shouted down by the unbelieving masses. The rumor is back and perhaps it's even true. Don't shoot the messenger ;-) No longer really matters to me as my main machine is an Intel HacMac and my PPC Macs are too old. Word is also that SL went Golden Master yesterday(ready to send to the DVD printers) So we will soon know for sure. Contrary to rumors that Apple would drop PowerPC architecture support with its newest OS, a tipster and possible Apple insider was able to get his hands on the most recent build of the yet-to-be released 10.6, and found some evidence that Cupertino might be keeping the chip alive. http://gizmodo.com/5014251/source-os-x-106...t-powerpc-chips The above rumor message had been posted on June 7, 2008. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating from Eudora ?
On Aug 13, 11:51 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: It all leaves me in the hard-core you'll pry Eudora from my cold dead hands camp... I love the speed. The regular expression filtering. The standard mailbox format. The ability to organize things folder/mailbox, *and* use aliases to access mailboxes from elsewhere. etc. - Dan. I'm looking at vs 8.0b6 (thunderbird based) Doesn't seem to have that nasty lag in opening sub-menues. I like that one can easily make sub-folders anywhere in the tree. Dan, could you elaborate on how to make and how you use aliases? Cliff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rumor: Snow Leopard to support PPC !!
Don't hold your breath. PowerPC is dead, as far as Apple is concerned. The day after that article was posted - June 8th - at wwdc it was announced 10.6 is intel o ly. On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Will S willsc...@gmail.com wrote: There has been word with in some circles that Apple would support PPC chips with Snow Leopard since day one. They have always been shouted down by the unbelieving masses. The rumor is back and perhaps it's even true. Don't shoot the messenger ;-) No longer really matters to me as my main machine is an Intel HacMac and my PPC Macs are too old. Word is also that SL went Golden Master yesterday(ready to send to the DVD printers) So we will soon know for sure. Contrary to rumors that Apple would drop PowerPC architecture support with its newest OS, a tipster and possible Apple insider was able to get his hands on the most recent build of the yet-to-be released 10.6, and found some evidence that Cupertino might be keeping the chip alive. http://gizmodo.com/5014251/source-os-x-106...t-powerpc-chips --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adobe - PPC support
On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Mark wrote: Adobe has announced their authoring software will no longer support PPC in future versions. no biggie. Anybody know about Flash, Acrobat Reader, etc - the plug in/players future PPC support ? Player and reader have a longer support 'tail' than authoring software, for example, you can still get OS 9 versions of flash player. Very OLD versions, mind you, since they long since stopped developing them, and many features no longer work. I expect they'll eventually drop PPC support; PPC users will be stuck at whatever is supported in 10.5 or 10.6. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rumor: Snow Leopard to support PPC !!
On Aug 13, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Nikki Wraith wrote: Don't hold your breath. PowerPC is dead, as far as Apple is concerned. The day after that article was posted - June 8th - at wwdc it was announced 10.6 is intel o ly. Yes, power PC is dead BUT, the powermac G5 that I JUST bought is going to give me (knock on wood) years of great mac times ahead.. at least till the mac pro's are within my reach:-) Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adobe - PPC support
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Mark chris...@fuse.net wrote: Adobe has announced their authoring software will no longer support PPC in future versions. no biggie. Anybody know about Flash, Acrobat Reader, etc - the plug in/players future PPC support ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ So the rumor is that OSX 10.6 WILL support PPC but Adobe apps will NOT? Of what good is that? Serious work requires serious apps. No, open source is not the option that most pros would choose. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adobe - PPC support
On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: So the rumor is that OSX 10.6 WILL support PPC but Adobe apps will NOT? 10.6 is Intel only. Future versions of Adobe Creative Suite will be Intel only. This is exactly like the switch away from 68k CPUs in the past. PPC software development will cease in the near future. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migrating from Eudora ?
At 3:55 PM -0700 8/13/2009, Cliff Rediger wrote: Dan, could you elaborate on how to make and how you use aliases? Put a mailbox anywhere. Double-click on it. It opens in Eudora, and Eudora automatically makes an alias of that mailbox in your Eudora Mail folder. You can then use it as-is, or move it around, etc. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The need for (browser) speed.
And the race is on Chrome whopped Safari in this round. http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49303325,00.htm When benchmarking Chrome 4.0's rendering speed on a PC last week, it obliterated its previous record and scored 100/100 on the Acid3 standards-compliancy tests. On the Mac, it only gets better. It completed the SunSpider JavaScript benchmark in just 657ms. Only 4 per cent faster than its PC brother, sure, but 34 per cent faster than Safari 4.0.3, which scored 886ms on the same 2.0GHz Intel MacBook. Keeping things in some sort of context, Firefox version 3.5.2 on OS X scored 1,508ms and Opera 10 beta 3 scored 5,958ms. Guess I should try Chrome...! Next! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 2 More Questions
On 8/12/09, ron ronstei...@mac.com wrote: On Aug 11, 8:11 pm, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: So, using this site I am going to say my two RAM boards are 512M Would they work in a G4? Also, I have a board with 16 chips per side. Each chip has this on it: Siemens HYB39S16400T-10 Why didn't you simply use System Profiler and look at the value given for each RAM module is installed in your machine? There is no need to make a guess of the value of your RAM modules by going to some exotic web site and trying to decipher the markings on a chip. - They are NOT in my machine. I got them from someone. Your second question about a board with 16 chips per side leaves out a lot of information that might help someone to identify it. Is the card a PCI card and does the card have any socket to plug something into? What does the socket (if any) look like? What company manufactured it? If you ask questions, it helps if you include more information and a good description. I came from a machine where it was in a slot next to the RAM It has no sockets to plug stuff into I compared it to a RAM chip and it has the same pins Iie it could plug into a RAM socket) It has no company ID on it -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The need for (browser) speed.
In a message dated 8/13/09 11:36:13 PM, dantear...@gmail.com writes: And the race is on Chrome whopped Safari in this round. http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49303325,00.htm When benchmarking Chrome 4.0's rendering speed on a PC last week, it obliterated its previous record and scored 100/100 on the Acid3 standards-compliancy tests. On the Mac, it only gets better. It completed the SunSpider JavaScript benchmark in just 657ms. Only 4 per cent faster than its PC brother, sure, but 34 per cent faster than Safari 4.0.3, which scored 886ms on the same 2.0GHz Intel MacBook. Keeping things in some sort of context, Firefox version 3.5.2 on OS X scored 1,508ms and Opera 10 beta 3 scored 5,958ms. Guess I should try Chrome...! Next! - Dan. -- According to the website it's Windows only at the moment. BobT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
New HDD for iMac G5 iSight 1.9 GHz, fall of 2005 model
I bought a new Seagate SATA 500G HDD, in place of Maxter SATA 160 G HDD, the 160 GB Maxter HDD have the SATA ribbon, the Power Ribbon, and a tiny 4 pin ribbon on the bottom of the HDD toward the other end. the 500 GB Seagate HDD have the SATA ribbon, the Power Ribbon, but not the 4 pin ribbon on the bottom of the HDD toward the other end. do i need the tiny 4 pin connector , that's on the bottom of the HDD toward the other end. for the iMac iSight to properly boot up, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The need for (browser) speed.
On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Dan wrote: Guess I should try Chrome...! No PPC version of Chrome. May never be one? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
