Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
At 4:00 AM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Dan mailto:dantear...@gmail.comdantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand. Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance. __ irridity ? ? 9 online dictionaries including the Oxford compact, and my trusty print Webster's Collegiate finds nothing for that one. I think it may mean stanziphramis. I tried to figure out the possible typos also. nada Yes, beat the typo to death. aridity. You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, The universe is laughing behind your back. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Dan wrote: At 4:00 AM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Dan mailto:dantear...@gmail.comdantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand. Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance. __ irridity ? ? 9 online dictionaries including the Oxford compact, and my trusty print Webster's Collegiate finds nothing for that one. I think it may mean stanziphramis. I tried to figure out the possible typos also. nada Yes, beat the typo to death. aridity. You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, The universe is laughing behind your back. Wow! Now I understand the meaning of life... JT Get Cheaper Car Insurance Are You Currently Insured But Are You Paying Too Much? Find The Best Rates For You Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c15cc17428383c71c5st01duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
Living in the sticks has its drawbacks of which one is the nearly absent availability of broadband After sufferin' years with erratic dial up, Cricket, (USB Modem), started covering the area last November of 2009. Best signal strength was two and sometimes three bars. Service was pretty dependable up until April of this year. Then it started to go downhill finally failing completely a few days ago. A call to tech support resulted in speaking with a Indian drone, Martha to no avail. Modem would not mount as a CD on the Powerbook G4 1.25MHz. After hanging up, decided to try it on the desktop, G4 400MHz Gigabit and yep, it mounted there. (As an aside, the modem contains the initialization/set up s/w. Only problem here is that the Gigabit only has USB I as opposed to USB II on the PowerBook. So, am I on the right track thinking that somehow this modem was not put away properly on the Powerbook? If so, what steps might I take to recover it? Frustrated grumpy minds wanna know... TIA, JT (Who is almost resigned to go back to exclusive dial up) Get Cheaper Car Insurance Are You Currently Insured But Are You Paying Too Much? Find The Best Rates For You Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c15cf0dd3e853bb851st02duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 4:45:38 Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand. I have tried to teach that very class for the last 7 years. Most of my students could not care less about what I am talking about. They are there to fulfill the state requirements for a technology class and once they achieve that, they have no idea what you have talked about, because they have already forgotten it. In 7 years of teaching I have had 4 students say they have used something I taught them in a college class they had later in life. The vast majority of my students are convinced that they already know all there is to know about using a computer and they have no intention of learning more. Rarely do I get a student who is actually wanting to learn. Most of the time I get the student who tells me there is no way Ohm's Law will work. Peace, Dennis ___ I can understand that in an office drone paper shuffler who is on the IT lockout track. But media types of all persuasions who enter small or freelance operations and ignore the need of CPU and network system practices will be a burden to their bosses and may not last long. Production deadlines for customers leave no time for rookie mistakes. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer You're right in what you say, but at least here in the UK, stereotypes - at least in the bosses' eyes - still rule. I was a techie/systems programmer back in the seventies/early eighties, in the days of wood-burning, steam-powered computers. I switched allegiance to Macs in the mid eighties, and have remained a Mac techie ever since. As a frustrated artist, and keen photographer, I found the whole Mac experience tremendous, so I became a user as well, rather than a pure techie. I am still, despite having just turned 60, a graphic designer in a large company which is very Windows orientated (despite most of IT dep't having a Mac at home). IT leave it to me to look after our small establishment of 5 Macs, which is no great hassle, and I still enjoy stretching CS5 (just received) and CS3 to the limit;- well, it's more a case of exploring all of it's capabilities, rather than stretching them. But people still seem amazed to find a designer who knows, understands loves Macs - or from the other point of viw, a techie who knows, understands loves design, typography c. Seems they've got it fixed in their heads you can be one or the other, bit not both. Best to all, Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: stream movies? no-can-do!
I'm not clear on what you mean by stream movies? I have a very similar setup, an overclocked 1.58 GHz G4 Mini w/10.4.11 1GB RAM attached to 42 Samsung LCD TV attached to an 802.11n Time Machine. I can stream wirelessly movies that are stored on my G5 as MOV, MPEG, or other common video file formats over 802.11n wireless and they play fine on the TV played by the G4 Mini. I also have cable modem internet which is connected to the Time Machine and directly wired to the Mini over gigabit ethernet, but I still can't get smooth video of most streamed internet video. I think it's likely you're talking about streaming as in Flash video content that is nearly ubiquitous on the web? If this is the case, about all you can do is hope and pray that Adobe optimizes Flash for better Mac performance. I can't see this happening any time soon for our now abandoned PPC hardware, so the best you can do is make sure you have the latest Flash plugin version 10.1.53.64 (check your version at: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/). I don't think the G4 Mini will ever be powerful enough for streaming Flash video, which is one reason it's not on the iPhone or iPad. Any PC will play Flash video fine, so consider using a cheapie PC for streaming Flash if you absolutely need it. On the Mac side, even my dual 2.3 G5 struggles with Flash, so you'd likely need something very powerful for smooth streaming Flash on an LCD TV at full screen resolutions. As I've harped before, Leopard is a 15-20% drag on any PPC Mac compared to Tiger, so you've already got a drag on the System. Second, if this truly a first generation Mini (1.25 GHz) it's probably not fast enough to begin with, my 1.58 GHz is just barely fast enough, and I'm ready to upgrade ASAP because it's often using 100% CPU to display video at 1680x1050. I'd advise you to downgrade to Tiger if possible to get maximum horsepower out of a G4 Mini (warning: Tiger Leopard offer DIFFERENT combinations of resolution/refresh rates on my G4 Mini w/32MB Radeon 9200, so you may not be able to get the correct resolution/refresh rate for your TV. I think it's really strange these change between Tiger Leopard, but they do). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: ___ You're right in what you say, but at least here in the UK, stereotypes - at least in the bosses' eyes - still rule. I was a techie/systems programmer back in the seventies/early eighties, in the days of wood-burning, steam-powered computers. I switched allegiance to Macs in the mid eighties, and have remained a Mac techie ever since. As a frustrated artist, and keen photographer, I found the whole Mac experience tremendous, so I became a user as well, rather than a pure techie. I am still, despite having just turned 60, a graphic designer in a large company which is very Windows orientated (despite most of IT dep't having a Mac at home). IT leave it to me to look after our small establishment of 5 Macs, which is no great hassle, and I still enjoy stretching CS5 (just received) and CS3 to the limit;- well, it's more a case of exploring all of it's capabilities, rather than stretching them. But people still seem amazed to find a designer who knows, understands loves Macs - or from the other point of viw, a techie who knows, understands loves design, typography c. Seems they've got it fixed in their heads you can be one or the other, bit not both. Best to all, Ted -- -- _ Taking media production classes at first was all on PCs. The Macs were in another building with the print Newsies. ( The Taylor Hall you see in all of the newsreels of the slaughter). But an old hall has been refurbished and modernized. Macs rule there ( PCs in minor roles) in all media classes now. and in Student and PBS broadcast and web operations as well which are linked there too. Give me Macs and Adobe software along with FCP and Logic and I can just work. Very little IT aid needed. Only when student wear and mostly tear do a machine harm. Some raised on PCs take their frustrations out on Macs. That is why the expensive ones are in locked, limited access labs and classrooms and iMacs are provided for less intense Newsie activities. 25 Mac Pros fully stocked with software in a cool well lit classroom are awesome to behold. PCs are mostly in the TV studios where the expensive control software is PC only. But big Macs do the digital recording and other broadcast linking tasks. Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:46 AM, James Therrault wrote: So, am I on the right track thinking that somehow this modem was not put away properly on the Powerbook? If so, what steps might I take to recover it? It's a software issue, and AFAIK put away has nothing to do with it. I've not used an EVDO wireless connection before, and the description you give of weakening signal strength from April to June seems strange if it does not exist on the Gigabit G4 also? I'd think signal strength would be a problem on the Cricket end, not your modem end (unless it's a problem receiving a full strength signal). I don't know what version of the Cricket software was provided to you on CD, but there may be an updated version? The latest version on the Cricket website is called v1.0 (build 1466) and it includes support for 32-bit Snow Leopard, so it must be relatively new. You might reinstall to upgrade or just to be certain it's all fresh: (http://www.mycricket.com/downloads/Cricket_Broadband_Setup-v1.0(build_1466)Mac.zip The only other possibility might be corrupted Network preferences or Cricket preferences. These could be trashed, which may require getting the modem recognized in Network System Preferences, or resetting some connection attributes. I'd try reinstalling software from the link above first and see if that works. Then look to trashing some preferences if you can't get it working. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 6:33 AM, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.comwrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Dan wrote: At 4:00 AM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Dan mailto:dantear...@gmail.com dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand. Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance. __ irridity ? ? 9 online dictionaries including the Oxford compact, and my trusty print Webster's Collegiate finds nothing for that one. I think it may mean stanziphramis. I tried to figure out the possible typos also. nada Yes, beat the typo to death. aridity. You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, The universe is laughing behind your back. Wow! Now I understand the meaning of life... JT Definitely the irridity -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
On 6/13/10 6:42 PM, Albert Carter wrote: Mark, Since you are going to re-do the video to prove this I have one further suggestion. Do this as one complete video, do not segment it and do not turn off or pause the video camera. This will lead to further validate your proof. Albert Oooo, good point, didn't think of that one. This could be interesting to watch. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
Dan wrote: At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand. Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance. - Dan. And we all know what the chorus and the last line of the deteriorata is. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: I can understand that in an office drone paper shuffler who is on the IT lockout track. But media types of all persuasions who enter small or freelance operations and ignore the need of CPU and network system practices will be a burden to their bosses and may not last long. Production deadlines for customers leave no time for rookie mistakes. Rare is the child in high school who thinks that far ahead. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
I will re do the cideo, but because of the 4GB of RAM change, the Jaguar system constantly tells me to restart the system over and over again. I tried reverting back to 2GB of RAM, and still, it tells me to restart. i don't know what is going on. Any suggestions? -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Jaguar not booting up
I zapped the PRAM already. It goes like this. I turn it on, the Apple logo shows up. The grey wheel spins until the Mac OS X window with a light blue Apple ahows up and says Loading Mac OS X and after the window disappears or is done loading, the screen turns a darker shade of blue and it says you newed to restart you computer in like 5 different languages with a giant restart button in the background. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:59 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:46 AM, James Therrault wrote: So, am I on the right track thinking that somehow this modem was not put away properly on the Powerbook? If so, what steps might I take to recover it? It's a software issue, and AFAIK put away has nothing to do with it. I've not used an EVDO wireless connection before, and the description you give of weakening signal strength from April to June seems strange if it does not exist on the Gigabit G4 also? I'd think signal strength would be a problem on the Cricket end, not your modem end (unless it's a problem receiving a full strength signal). I don't think that my current issue is signal strength but rather the utter refusal for the modem to mount, (since I've uninstalled everything to do with it), on the PowerBook. Signal strength is (I assume) the same on both machines but I don't use the desktop since it has USB 1 only. I suspect that the sudden signal strength issues that I've experienced in the last couple of months are largely caused by Cricket overselling its service. Sometimes even when signal strength was satisfactory, it was still very slow. One time when I had no bars showing, it still managed to connect and authenticate. When I first went on line with Cricket, the dialing/authentication process was very quick, three to four seconds. The last two to three weeks, this process slowed down to as much as forty-five seconds and often would fail. I don't know what version of the Cricket software was provided to you on CD, but there may be an updated version? The latest version on the Cricket website is called v1.0 (build 1466) and it includes support for 32-bit Snow Leopard, so it must be relatively new. You might reinstall to upgrade or just to be certain it's all fresh: (http://www.mycricket.com/downloads/Cricket_Broadband_Setup-v1.0 (build_1466)Mac.zip Yes, there is an update but every attempt to install it failed. Now that you mention snow leopard, I know why it won't. OTOH, Cricket's tech support is abysmal. The only other possibility might be corrupted Network preferences or Cricket preferences. These could be trashed, which may require getting the modem recognized in Network System Preferences, or resetting some connection attributes. I'd try reinstalling software from the link above first and see if that works. Then look to trashing some preferences if you can't get it working. As far as I know, I've removed everything Cricket from the PowerBook. I'm going to stop by a Cricket corporate store today and bring along the modem and the PowerBook. TODAY: iPads for $23.74? Special Report: Apple iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 80% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c162d8645ca138fc36st06duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3, Apple Fast Ethernet Card compatibility problems
On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:34 PM, James Chapel wrote: Switching both to DHCP, then restarting the mac with the standard apple enet driver enabled, brought the card back to life in Mac OS 9.2.1, indicating network activity on both the switch and Apple PCI card. As an experiment, I thought I'd leave the mac set to DHCP while retaining some control through manual settings on the PC. After restart, that took down the connection and I have yet to replicate my earlier solution. Again, thoughts or suggestions will be very appreciated. One comment: This is one of the myriad reasons why I moved to OS X at 10.2 and never looked back. Since it worked for you for a short period of time, you now know that the card works and OS 9.2 can see it. Have you tried re-installing OS-9, doing a custom install to include JUST the ethernet bits? OS 9 ONLY installs the drivers for hardware that was present at installation time..if you add a USB card or a Firewire card, for example, you need to install those drivers from the OS 9 install disk, or to re-apply the latest combo updater for OS 9.2.1. The fact that you're using the driver from 8.1 is likely the issue. SInce it's an Apple bit of hardware, if Apple doesn't offer drivers for OS 9, (you have looked, haven't you?) it means that the driver is included as part of the OS install, and not separately (USB is this way. The separate USB drivers Apple offers only work for OS 8, you use the OS 9 install disk or combo updaters to install USB drivers under OS 9) -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 13, 2010, at 11:46 PM, James Therrault wrote: A call to tech support resulted in speaking with a Indian drone, Martha to no avail. Modem would not mount as a CD on the Powerbook G4 1.25MHz. After hanging up, decided to try it on the desktop, G4 400MHz Gigabit and yep, it mounted there. (As an aside, the modem contains the initialization/set up s/w. Only problem here is that the Gigabit only has USB I as opposed to USB II on the PowerBook. So, am I on the right track thinking that somehow this modem was not put away properly on the Powerbook? If so, what steps might I take to recover it? That is unlikely, the 'improperly put away' issue only affects read/write media like flash drives, and is a warning about un-flushed write caches for that volume filesystem, it wouldn't affect the modem hardware. If this was the problem, it wouldn't mount on the G4 either, since the breakage happens on the device, not in the OS. Try installing and running it on the Gigabit G4 anyway, you should be at least able to get it to work, albeit at slower speeds. If it works it's probably worth the $10-$15 for a USB2 card for the G4, WIndows has the same hardware requirements for USB2 as the Mac so ANY USB2 PCI card will work regardless if it says 'Mac compatible' or not. On the powerbook, try the usual: Safe Boot, to clear caches, etc Try it as a different user. Check the simple stuff: make sure you haven't accidentally turned off the setting in Finder to show external media on the desktop. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Jaguar not booting up
On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I zapped the PRAM already. It goes like this. I turn it on, the Apple logo shows up. The grey wheel spins until the Mac OS X window with a light blue Apple ahows up and says Loading Mac OS X and after the window disappears or is done loading, the screen turns a darker shade of blue and it says you newed to restart you computer in like 5 different languages with a giant restart button in the background. That's a kernel panic. Try holding down the shift key as it boots, this puts the mac in 'safe mode' and will tell you if some other driver than Apple's base ones, anon-apple pref pane or a startup item are causing the issue. If it boots ok, look at those issues. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, The universe is laughing behind your back. For some reason the part that always stuck in my mind was Take heart in the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese. And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee. But then again, I grew up in Oconomowoc so Milwaukee was not just a name to me. For those who might not have caught the reference ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deteriorata -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
At 4:07 AM -0700 6/14/2010, Justin The Cynical wrote: On 6/13/10 6:42 PM, Albert Carter wrote: Since you are going to re-do the video to prove this I have one further suggestion. Do this as one complete video, do not segment it and do not turn off or pause the video camera. This will lead to further validate your proof. Oooo, good point, didn't think of that one. WRT segmenting... When you have the video ready, let us know - we can work out some hosting for the full thing. That way you don't have to play split games etc. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Jaguar not booting up
At 8:33 AM -0400 6/14/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I zapped the PRAM already. It goes like this. I turn it on, the Apple logo shows up. The grey wheel spins until the Mac OS X window with a light blue Apple ahows up and says Loading Mac OS X and after the window disappears or is done loading, the screen turns a darker shade of blue and it says you newed to restart you computer in like 5 different languages with a giant restart button in the background. Ok. See, that's important information. You got past the spinning gear - so the OS is loading and it's happy with the hardware, including the first DIMM. You got past the full load of the kernel and Aqua too. Once that progress dialog goes away, the login process starts. At that point, various daemons are finishing their init and some memory is getting chewed up. If you've got it set to auto-login, then your user's login items are also starting to run. That it panics at that point would indicate a memory problem, most likely. But again, as I posted before -- the details are in the system and panic logs. Look at them. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
At 1:46 AM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: After sufferin' years with erratic dial up, Cricket, (USB Modem), started covering the area last November of 2009. Best signal strength was two and sometimes three bars. Service was pretty dependable up until April of this year. Then it started to go downhill finally failing completely a few days ago. Modem would not mount as a CD on the Powerbook G4 1.25MHz. After hanging up, decided to try it on the desktop, G4 400MHz Gigabit and yep, it mounted there. (As an aside, the modem contains the initialization/set up s/w. Only problem here is that the Gigabit only has USB I as opposed to USB II on the PowerBook. Ok. So something is foo on the PowerBook. Other USB devices work ok? Other USB mountable devices work ok? Finder is set to display such volumes on your desktop? Launch Console.app and set it to view the system log. Then plug in the modem... and see what error messages get thrown. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G5 Problems
To clarify, this is a dual 1.8Ghz (Late 2004) G5 Model number A1047. It has 8 RAM slots, and yes, I did install it in matched pairs. It seemed like when I reseated the RAM and reset the PMU it would work for a short time, perhaps boot (but power down at login) a few times before it went back to flashing the incompatible ram signal on the front LED. I did blow out the RAM slots with compressed air, as well as the rest of the computer. -Elliott Price -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete? ? 4GB on G4
I don't shout anything just because I can't do it. As many are interested as I am about how/if one can run 4GB RAM on this machine. There was nothing magical about 2GB, 2^32=4G so, it passes the first logical test. 2 to 4 is not the same jump as 4 to anything higher. I'd like to see the exact details how to do this if anyone has it running. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD or Quicksilver?
IOGEAR Hi-Speed USB 2.0 5-Port PCI Expansion Card (faster data transfer for existing peripherals) FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 Serial ATA/150 Dual Channel Mac PCI Controller (to access her G5 iMac hard drive and a future additional drive). Another GB of RAM I'm answering as a G4 MDD lover. USB 2.0 is the one need these machines have. My cards are Adaptec, I believe. The SATA card, mine is by FirmTek, but branded Sonnet. If it works, good for you, if not, open the Energy Saver Pref, and uncheck put hard drive to sleep when possible. Sonnet confirmed to me this option may be a problem depending on the drives used. Once I did that, it works like a charm. Others here hadn't run in to this, but it's consistent on my G4s (all of them), check that box, 15 minutes later Mac is frozen. Fill it up, the MDD takes 2GB, worth the $60. The only time these machines show their age is encoding video. They are a $200 way to get a Mac that really works great and will run Leopard beautifully. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: stream movies? no-can-do!
On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm not clear on what you mean by stream movies? Kris, by streaming I mean watching a movie via wi-fi connection from my G5 in the other room via 802.11.n 5ghz. Is streaming the wrong word? and thanks for the great comeback! Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD or Quicksilver?
Thanks for the input! I have two drives, an 80 GB Apple-branded which came with the MDD with 10.5, and a 20 GB Seagate with 10.4. The Quicksilver came with no drive. Both boot the MDD but neither will boot the Quicksilver (2002), so for now I'm leaning toward the MDD. In the MDD I'm trying to use the RAM from the G5 iMac, a 512 and 1 GB PC3200 DDR400. The 512 works beautifully. I tried the 1 GB by itself, but kept getting a message that I need to restart the computer. I see others have used two 1 GB modules successfully. I would appreciate any suggestions as to how I might do this. I've tried searching the archives, but haven't yet found such a how-to suggestion or link. Thanks again, in advance, -- Dave On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:12 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: IOGEAR Hi-Speed USB 2.0 5-Port PCI Expansion Card (faster data transfer for existing peripherals) FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 Serial ATA/150 Dual Channel Mac PCI Controller (to access her G5 iMac hard drive and a future additional drive). Another GB of RAM I'm answering as a G4 MDD lover. USB 2.0 is the one need these machines have. My cards are Adaptec, I believe. The SATA card, mine is by FirmTek, but branded Sonnet. If it works, good for you, if not, open the Energy Saver Pref, and uncheck put hard drive to sleep when possible. Sonnet confirmed to me this option may be a problem depending on the drives used. Once I did that, it works like a charm. Others here hadn't run in to this, but it's consistent on my G4s (all of them), check that box, 15 minutes later Mac is frozen. Fill it up, the MDD takes 2GB, worth the $60. The only time these machines show their age is encoding video. They are a $200 way to get a Mac that really works great and will run Leopard beautifully. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
I am trying to use a 1 GB PC3200 DDR 400 module in my MDD, installed by itself, but it keeps telling me I need to restart the machine. I see several of you have installed 1 GB modules -- I would appreciate any suggestions! Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com (208) 305-1514 On Jun 2, 12:48 pm, Jason Brown jason_brown1...@att.net wrote: It will recognize 2 of the 1 gig modules for 2 gig... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Dave wrote: I am trying to use a 1 GB PC3200 DDR 400 module in my MDD, installed by itself, but it keeps telling me I need to restart the machine. I see several of you have installed 1 GB modules -- I would appreciate any suggestions! Reset CUDA switch make sure the boot drive is in the front bay on the end of the cable. Clean the RAM and slots with contact cleaner non residue type. That's how I got my MDD working the day I got it from a gut that was going to waste can it. It's now my goto burner with 2 opticals and 4 HDDs with 2 1 GB sticks. and a Seritek card. USB 2.0. and eSATA JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: stream movies? no-can-do!
On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm not clear on what you mean by stream movies? Kris, by streaming I mean watching a movie via wi-fi connection from my G5 in the other room via 802.11.n 5ghz. Is streaming the wrong word? and thanks for the great comeback! Jeff Are you watching images? I do this all time e from a G5 PM via wireless to a TiBook 500. But I mount the image on the TiBook. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA carmo...@aol,com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Jun 13, 2010, at 11:45 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand. I have tried to teach that very class for the last 7 years. Most of my students could not care less about what I am talking about. Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com Why not start an internet course for a small fee I would be interested. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went. --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
I think he meant aridity. On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: irridity John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went. --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: stream movies? no-can-do!
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:03 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm not clear on what you mean by stream movies? Kris, by streaming I mean watching a movie via wi-fi connection from my G5 in the other room via 802.11.n 5ghz. Is streaming the wrong word? and thanks for the great comeback! Jeff Are you watching images? I do this all time e from a G5 PM via wireless to a TiBook 500. But I mount the image on the TiBook. John, mounting the image is a sweet way to go, if it's not an iTunes store purchase I've bought a lot of iTunes movies and iTunes is the only way to play them... acually VLC player works the best for playing movies on another mac, the itunes content is where I run into difficulty. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD or Quicksilver?
I can't help with Memory, I have 4x512MB in each. But I can tell you - the SATA drives are bootable with that card. 3TB hanging off it. Transfers between two drives super fast. On Jun 14, 12:29 pm, Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com wrote: Thanks for the input! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Jaguar not booting up
Ok, I will try the shift button at start and see what happens. On 6/14/10, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:33 AM -0400 6/14/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I zapped the PRAM already. It goes like this. I turn it on, the Apple logo shows up. The grey wheel spins until the Mac OS X window with a light blue Apple ahows up and says Loading Mac OS X and after the window disappears or is done loading, the screen turns a darker shade of blue and it says you newed to restart you computer in like 5 different languages with a giant restart button in the background. Ok. See, that's important information. You got past the spinning gear - so the OS is loading and it's happy with the hardware, including the first DIMM. You got past the full load of the kernel and Aqua too. Once that progress dialog goes away, the login process starts. At that point, various daemons are finishing their init and some memory is getting chewed up. If you've got it set to auto-login, then your user's login items are also starting to run. That it panics at that point would indicate a memory problem, most likely. But again, as I posted before -- the details are in the system and panic logs. Look at them. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mac OS X Tiger commercial idea
I have an idea that may be 5 years too late. I watched a Mac OS X tiger commercial, and then the next day I happened to run across Eye of the tiger by surviver on my iPod nano. Wouldn't it bee cool if back then they could make a commercial about Mac OS X tiger with the eye of the tiger song in the background? -- Sent from my iBook G3 Clamshell -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
Okay. I will have the video posted on youtube in a while. In the meantime I have to resolve issues with Jaguar not working properly and to re-install Mac OS X SL on Q because i did not back up my info. What a bummer. I will get it running soon. I can handle the problem with SL on a Q emulator, i just need help with jaguar not booting up. I have tried this on Tiger, and it isn't fast enough. On 6/14/10, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 4:07 AM -0700 6/14/2010, Justin The Cynical wrote: On 6/13/10 6:42 PM, Albert Carter wrote: Since you are going to re-do the video to prove this I have one further suggestion. Do this as one complete video, do not segment it and do not turn off or pause the video camera. This will lead to further validate your proof. Oooo, good point, didn't think of that one. WRT segmenting... When you have the video ready, let us know - we can work out some hosting for the full thing. That way you don't have to play split games etc. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
Thanks, John. Pardon my ignorance: 1. What and where is the CUDA switch? I see a PMU reset switch -- is that it? 2. Is the front bay the one under the optical drive? 3. Also, does it matter which RAM slot? Thanks, Again, Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com (208) 305-1514 On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:00 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Dave wrote: I am trying to use a 1 GB PC3200 DDR 400 module in my MDD, installed by itself, but it keeps telling me I need to restart the machine. I see several of you have installed 1 GB modules -- I would appreciate any suggestions! Reset CUDA switch make sure the boot drive is in the front bay on the end of the cable. Clean the RAM and slots with contact cleaner non residue type. That's how I got my MDD working the day I got it from a gut that was going to waste can it. It's now my goto burner with 2 opticals and 4 HDDs with 2 1 GB sticks. and a Seritek card. USB 2.0. and eSATA JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD or Quicksilver?
Cool! I'm ordering the card today. -- Dave On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:11 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: But I can tell you - the SATA drives are bootable with that card. 3TB hanging off it. Transfers between two drives super fast. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dave Bjur wrote: Thanks, John. Pardon my ignorance: 1. What and where is the CUDA switch? I see a PMU reset switch -- is that it? 2. Is the front bay the one under the optical drive? 3. Also, does it matter which RAM slot? Thanks, Again, Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com (208) 305-1514 On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:00 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Dave wrote: I am trying to use a 1 GB PC3200 DDR 400 module in my MDD, installed by itself, but it keeps telling me I need to restart the machine. I see several of you have installed 1 GB modules -- I would appreciate any suggestions! Reset CUDA switch make sure the boot drive is in the front bay on the end of the cable. Clean the RAM and slots with contact cleaner non residue type. That's how I got my MDD working the day I got it from a gut that was going to waste can it. It's now my goto burner with 2 opticals and 4 HDDs with 2 1 GB sticks. and a Seritek card. USB 2.0. and eSATA JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 Look close to the battery or Google if you don't see it. It's a tiny grey button it a bright square box. The best way is to remove every thing you can including the battey and power cord before reconnection. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA carmo...@aol,com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: stream movies? no-can-do!
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:03 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm not clear on what you mean by stream movies? Kris, by streaming I mean watching a movie via wi-fi connection from my G5 in the other room via 802.11.n 5ghz. Is streaming the wrong word? and thanks for the great comeback! Jeff Are you watching images? I do this all time e from a G5 PM via wireless to a TiBook 500. But I mount the image on the TiBook. John, mounting the image is a sweet way to go, if it's not an iTunes store purchase I've bought a lot of iTunes movies and iTunes is the only way to play them... acually VLC player works the best for playing movies on another mac, the itunes content is where I run into difficulty. Jeff Never used iTunes stuff. But had difficuties playing MP4s in iTunes so gave it up. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA carmo...@aol,com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: stream movies? no-can-do!
At 10:03 AM -0700 6/14/2010, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm not clear on what you mean by stream movies? Kris, by streaming I mean watching a movie via wi-fi connection from my G5 in the other room via 802.11.n 5ghz. Is streaming the wrong word? and thanks for the great comeback! Jeff Are you watching images? I do this all time e from a G5 PM via wireless to a TiBook 500. But I mount the image on the TiBook. Streaming -- a connection via IP to a server (another computer) running a real-time streaming software package. Most often this uses http as the transport protocl. The point is that the server software priorititzed so as to push the data at full speed. Sounds like what you'all are doing is just feeding a player some sort of afp or smb or http url and hoping the general server daemon magically manages to push fast enough. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:26 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dave Bjur wrote: Thanks, John. Pardon my ignorance: 1. What and where is the CUDA switch? I see a PMU reset switch -- is that it? Look close to the battery or Google if you don't see it. It's a tiny grey button it a bright square box. The best way is to remove every thing you can including the battey and power cord before reconnection. 2. Is the front bay the one under the optical drive? Maybe I'm not sure which machine you have can you restate? I'm where I can't go back in the thread 3. Also, does it matter which RAM slot? Closest to the processor Thanks, Again, Dave Bjur d...@bjurconsulting.com (208) 305-1514 E Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:36 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:26 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Dave Bjur wrote: Thanks, John. Pardon my ignorance: 1. What and where is the CUDA switch? I see a PMU reset switch -- is that it? Look close to the battery or Google if you don't see it. It's a tiny grey button it a bright square box. The best way is to remove every thing you can including the battey and power cord before reconnection. 2. Is the front bay the one under the optical drive? The front bay is the foward one on the right when looking at the open machine. The cable has two connectors the one you want is on the end on the 100 BUS. I'm speaking of a MDD Dual 1.0 or 1.25. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA carmo...@aol,com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
On Jun 10, 4:17 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: I'm not certain if this article will enable 4GB RAM for you, but I suspect it will, if this is possible? Instead of reducing the memory, as the title of this article references, you'd be increasing it instead: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/qa/qa2001/qa1099.html Note about RAM module sizes. Sizes are in hex: 1000 = 256mb 2000 = 512mb 4000 = 1gb ... and so forth. i had never heard of PC133 sticks larger than 512MB, and THAT would be the insurmountable roadblock to shoe-horning 4GB of RAM into a sawtooth, 'cuz there's still only four RAM slots. BUT, searching the Dell site, i find that there was indeed a PowerEdge 2500 server, and it did in fact use 1GB PC133 memory sticks!!! http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/pe2500sc/en/ug/ 127kwc10.htm#1032099. . . . upgradable to a maximum of 4 GB by installing combinations of 64-, 128-, 256-, 512-MB, or 1-GB registered PC-133 SDRAM memory module pairs in the six memory module sockets on the system board. this is big news to me, because as Kris points out in the link above, it is possible to modify the NVRAM to allow the computer to address 4GB of memory. now the real relevant question becomes, how and where to get a hold of some of these 1GB PC133 sticks without trolling dumpsters for old Dell servers? i've checked Tigerdirect and PCmall, and can find no sign of the mythical beasts. if they exist, i see no reason why we couldn't all double the RAM capacity of all G4s or maybe even quadruple the RAM capacity of a BW! THAT seems like a topic worth exploring to me! i would love it if someone could add something constructive to this thread, like where to get a hold of some 1GB PC133 sticks, rather than relentlessly trashing the original poster. oh, and one last comment - THANK YOU, MARK, FOR YOUR ORIGINAL POST. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:15 PM, ah...clem wrote: On Jun 10, 4:17 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: I'm not certain if this article will enable 4GB RAM for you, but I suspect it will, if this is possible? Instead of reducing the memory, as the title of this article references, you'd be increasing it instead: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/qa/qa2001/qa1099.html Note about RAM module sizes. Sizes are in hex: 1000 = 256mb 2000 = 512mb 4000 = 1gb ... and so forth. i had never heard of PC133 sticks larger than 512MB, and THAT would be the insurmountable roadblock to shoe-horning 4GB of RAM into a sawtooth, 'cuz there's still only four RAM slots. BUT, searching the Dell site, i find that there was indeed a PowerEdge 2500 server, and it did in fact use 1GB PC133 memory sticks!!! http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/pe2500sc/en/ug/ 127kwc10.htm#1032099. . . . upgradable to a maximum of 4 GB by installing combinations of 64-, 128-, 256-, 512-MB, or 1-GB registered PC-133 SDRAM memory module pairs in the six memory module sockets on the system board. this is big news to me, because as Kris points out in the link above, it is possible to modify the NVRAM to allow the computer to address 4GB of memory. now the real relevant question becomes, how and where to get a hold of some of these 1GB PC133 sticks without trolling dumpsters for old Dell servers? Easily and cheaply found on eBay. I just sold 8 1GB sticks for $30 shipped. Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work in a Mac. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
On Jun 14, 2:24 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: . . . how and where to get a hold of some of these 1GB PC133 sticks without trolling dumpsters for old Dell servers? Easily and cheaply found on eBay. I just sold 8 1GB sticks for $30 shipped. Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work in a Mac. Len hmm i never think of ebay anymore, because i've been burned once too many times, but . . . 1GB PC133 SDRAM APPLE or DESKTOPs Non ECC UnBuff 168Pin http://cgi.ebay.com/1GB-PC133-SDRAM-APPLE-DESKTOPs-Non-ECC-UnBuff-168Pin-/370394025373?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item563d344d9d#ht_2411wt_737 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD RAM
Thanks, John, That button on my unit is labeled PMU Reset, and that did the trick! I now have a total of 2 GB: 1x1GB, 1x512MB (these recycled from the dead iMac), 2x256MB (these came with the MDD), all working wonderfully. I'm truly thankful. -- Dave On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:40 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: Look close to the battery or Google if you don't see it. It's a tiny grey button it a bright square box. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:24 PM, ah...clem wrote: On Jun 14, 2:24 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: . . . how and where to get a hold of some of these 1GB PC133 sticks without trolling dumpsters for old Dell servers? Easily and cheaply found on eBay. I just sold 8 1GB sticks for $30 shipped. Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work in a Mac. Len hmm i never think of ebay anymore, because i've been burned once too many times, but . . . 1GB PC133 SDRAM APPLE or DESKTOPs Non ECC UnBuff 168Pin http://cgi.ebay.com/1GB-PC133-SDRAM-APPLE-DESKTOPs-Non-ECC- UnBuff-168Pin-/370394025373? cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item563d344d9d#ht_2411wt_737 Well, they offer a full refund if for any reason you are unhappy. From the item description: THIS WILL WORK IN ANY ALL DESKTOP COMPUTER THAT CAN USE 1GB PER SLOT. ASK ME IF YOU'RE UNSURE Present discussion excepted, no one I know has ever gotten a 1GB stick to work in a Mac with PC133 ram. They also say: SPECS AT A GLANCE: PC133 SDRAM / 168 Pin / Non ECC - UnBuffered / LOW DENSITY GUARANTEED TO WORK IN ANY AND ALL PC133 PC100 DESKTOP COMPUTER THAT CAN USE 512MB PER SLOT. Why are they mentioning 512MB per slot? My personal opinion is that if anyone had gotten these to work in out Macs to get past the 1.5 or 2gb limit, it would be all over the net and these lists. Go for it and report the results back to the list. Just test it by itself and also with the other slots filled with 512MB sticks to see if you can break the 1.5 or 2gb limit. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
On Jun 14, 2:24 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work in a Mac. Len also found RAM pulled from a Dell PowerEdge 2500 Server on ebay, and it IS ECC and registered 2GB 2x 1GB PC133 Dell Poweredge 2500 2550 Memory RAM http://cgi.ebay.com/2GB-2x-1GB-PC133-Dell-Poweredge-2500-2550-Memory-RAM-/300431955290?cmd=ViewItempt=COMP_EN_Networking_Componentshash=item45f323d55a#ht_2428wt_808 so if Mark actually used RAM pulled from a DPE2500, that would be the reason he had/has so many glitches. ;O) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: weird USB - Firewire bridge
Thank you all for your replies! I'll give the adapter a shot when I find time to do so :). Regards, MM On Jun 14, 12:09 am, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: No. It will run at the slower USB 2.0 speed. Whenever you are working with devices that work at different speeds your bottleneck will always be the slower device. Peace, Dennis Mark Sokolovsky wrote: Here's a good question. If i have a USB 2.0 external HDD and plug in the FW adapter, will it run at full firewire speed? -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:21 PM, ah...clem wrote: On Jun 14, 2:24 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work in a Mac. Len also found RAM pulled from a Dell PowerEdge 2500 Server on ebay, and it IS ECC and registered 2GB 2x 1GB PC133 Dell Poweredge 2500 2550 Memory RAM http://cgi.ebay.com/2GB-2x-1GB-PC133-Dell-Poweredge-2500-2550- Memory-RAM-/300431955290? cmd=ViewItempt=COMP_EN_Networking_Componentshash=item45f323d55a#ht_2 428wt_808 so if Mark actually used RAM pulled from a DPE2500, that would be the reason he had/has so many glitches. ;O) Not to mention the destruction of the memory slots by forcing in memory that will not fit. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
John Callahan wrote: I have tried to teach that very class for the last 7 years. Most of my students could not care less about what I am talking about. Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com Why not start an internet course for a small fee I would be interested. John Callahan Flukestringer did not post this. I posted it. It got attributed to him through someone miss editing e-mails and was most likely done solely by accident. The reason I do not even think about teaching this as an internet class is because: A. The information is already out there. If you want to know how to do paths to files and directories, there are any number of websites which will tell you how to set up a directory hierarchy. Here is one that I have used in my web design classes: http://tools.devshed.com/c/a/Website-Content/Designing-Your-Websites-Directory-Structure/ B. I have no desire to be burdened with the tax liability for something like this. C. Every computer will differ regarding resources and cpu abilities and I have NO desire to take God knows how many people by the hand and explain their capabilities to them. I am sorry. My heart just is not in it. Anywho. I just wanted to let you know that the OP was me and not Wallace. Peace, Dennis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 8:29 AM, James Therrault wrote: Yes, there is an update but every attempt to install it failed. Now that you mention snow leopard, I know why it won't. No, the update isn't for Snow Leopard only. The installer is an .mpkg file, it contains three separate versions for Panther, Tiger Leopard together-they call this Tiger+, and Snow Leopard. The installer senses which OS version you're using and installs only the correct software for your OS. If you can't get it to install correctly, this is a problem. Perhaps try Pacifist to install with, if you do it manually only get the Tiger+ stuff, not the Panther or Snow Leopard. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete? ? 4GB on G4
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:57 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.comwrote: I don't shout anything just because I can't do it. As many are interested as I am about how/if one can run 4GB RAM on this machine. There was nothing magical about 2GB, 2^32=4G so, it passes the first logical test. 2 to 4 is not the same jump as 4 to anything higher. I'd like to see the exact details how to do this if anyone has it running. _ Keep breathing fully until that happens. Not saying it will not. Just have reservations. These machines had design limits. As all do. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Tiger commercial idea
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.comwrote: I have an idea that may be 5 years too late. I watched a Mac OS X tiger commercial, and then the next day I happened to run across Eye of the tiger by surviver on my iPod nano. Wouldn't it bee cool if back then they could make a commercial about Mac OS X tiger with the eye of the tiger song in the background? __ And Rocky running up the Philadelphia city hall steps with a plywood case Apple held overhead ? That's not 5 years out of time. But more like 34 years too late. How old are you anyway? You don't seem as familiar with the cultural history of the late 20th century as you are with getting your iSaw to do the impossible. Maybe a job with James Phelps ? Apple Computer and Rocky date to 1976 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_computer http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075148/ -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: stream movies? no-can-do!
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm not clear on what you mean by stream movies? Kris, by streaming I mean watching a movie via wi-fi connection from my G5 in the other room via 802.11.n 5ghz. Is streaming the wrong word? and thanks for the great comeback! Jeff If it is hard getting it to work smoothly via wifi the old sneakernet via thumbdrive would be effective. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.netwrote: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: I can understand that in an office drone paper shuffler who is on the IT lockout track. But media types of all persuasions who enter small or freelance operations and ignore the need of CPU and network system practices will be a burden to their bosses and may not last long. Production deadlines for customers leave no time for rookie mistakes. Rare is the child in high school who thinks that far ahead. But I still often hear of the generations raised on computers. I guess that does not mean much. Playing games and sneaking porn does not teach you how to handle system resources when the computers you have used have always had enough RAM, HD space, and apps to get it done and Mom and Dad patronizingly pay to have the mistakes fixed. Give 'em a 7 MHz processor and 1 MB RAM and see what they can do ! And no I am not kidding. My first layered composite image process was done on a machine of that spec. Later I had 16 MHz and 16 MB RAM. That machine sits on the floor about 2 feet from where I am now. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 13, 2010, at 11:46 PM, James Therrault wrote: A call to tech support resulted in speaking with a Indian drone, Martha to no avail. Modem would not mount as a CD on the Powerbook G4 1.25MHz. After hanging up, decided to try it on the desktop, G4 400MHz Gigabit and yep, it mounted there. (As an aside, the modem contains the initialization/set up s/w. Only problem here is that the Gigabit only has USB I as opposed to USB II on the PowerBook. So, am I on the right track thinking that somehow this modem was not put away properly on the Powerbook? If so, what steps might I take to recover it? That is unlikely, the 'improperly put away' issue only affects read/ write media like flash drives, and is a warning about un-flushed write caches for that volume filesystem, it wouldn't affect the modem hardware. If this was the problem, it wouldn't mount on the G4 either, since the breakage happens on the device, not in the OS. When the modem mounts on the Gigabit, it does so as a CD which opens up and contains the installation software. If you remove it without unmounting it, you will get a warning to the effect that the item was not closed properly and could suffer damage. Once the s/w is installed, the modem is initialized. Try installing and running it on the Gigabit G4 anyway, you should be at least able to get it to work, albeit at slower speeds. If it works it's probably worth the $10-$15 for a USB2 card for the G4, WIndows has the same hardware requirements for USB2 as the Mac so ANY USB2 PCI card will work regardless if it says 'Mac compatible' or not. On the powerbook, try the usual: I hesitate to do this because for some reason, both Cricket and Nutzero installation processes change the settings in the network/ modem area and practically imobilize Internet Connect. Safe Boot, to clear caches, etc That I'll do. Try it as a different user. I could try that. Check the simple stuff: make sure you haven't accidentally turned off the setting in Finder to show external media on the desktop. I wouldn't even know where to begin doing that... JT Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c169bef15b973e1e84st01duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:20 PM, James Therrault wrote: That is unlikely, the 'improperly put away' issue only affects read/write media like flash drives, and is a warning about un-flushed write caches for that volume filesystem, it wouldn't affect the modem hardware. If this was the problem, it wouldn't mount on the G4 either, since the breakage happens on the device, not in the OS. When the modem mounts on the Gigabit, it does so as a CD which opens up and contains the installation software. If you remove it without unmounting it, you will get a warning to the effect that the item was not closed properly and could suffer damage. Once the s/w is installed, the modem is initialized. That it mounts as a CD indicates that it's read-only. Again, the warnings actually only pertain to devices that can be written to, not read-only devices. That it mounts onf the G4 means that even if it WAS a read-write device, it's ok. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 8:29 AM, James Therrault wrote: Yes, there is an update but every attempt to install it failed. Now that you mention snow leopard, I know why it won't. No, the update isn't for Snow Leopard only. The installer is an .mpkg file, it contains three separate versions for Panther, Tiger Leopard together-they call this Tiger+, and Snow Leopard. The installer senses which OS version you're using and installs only the correct software for your OS. If you can't get it to install correctly, this is a problem. Perhaps try Pacifist to install with, if you do it manually only get the Tiger+ stuff, not the Panther or Snow Leopard. Thanks Kris, I'll try to download the s/w on my Gigabit dial up later today and I'll get back to you on the result(s). JT Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c169d1fd1f763ab0cast04duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan wrote: At 1:46 AM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: After sufferin' years with erratic dial up, Cricket, (USB Modem), started covering the area last November of 2009. Best signal strength was two and sometimes three bars. Service was pretty dependable up until April of this year. Then it started to go downhill finally failing completely a few days ago. Modem would not mount as a CD on the Powerbook G4 1.25MHz. After hanging up, decided to try it on the desktop, G4 400MHz Gigabit and yep, it mounted there. (As an aside, the modem contains the initialization/set up s/w. Only problem here is that the Gigabit only has USB I as opposed to USB II on the PowerBook. Ok. So something is foo on the PowerBook. Other USB devices work ok? Other USB mountable devices work ok? Finder is set to display such volumes on your desktop? Launch Console.app and set it to view the system log. Then plug in the modem... and see what error messages get thrown. OK, I'll set the PowerBook back up this evening. (My visit to Cricket was useless as was talking to tech support in India). Thanks Dan, JT TODAY: iPads for $103.85? Special Report: Apple iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 80% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c169dbd5a3113a504fst06duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Give 'em a 7 MHz processor and 1 MB RAM and see what they can do ! And no I am not kidding. Uphill both ways, I presume, barefoot in the snow? 8-P My first layered composite image process was done on a machine of that spec. Later I had 16 MHz and 16 MB RAM. That machine sits on the floor about 2 feet from where I am now. RAM?? you had RAM? Luuuxury. Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from the floor of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three graphics artists would die every time we did a layer mask! -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
I recent have been upgrading my '97 Beige Powermac G3, more out of nostalgia than any particular practical reason. So far, a 400MHz G3 processor, Rage 128 (16MB VRAM, 100MHz clock) graphics card, Orangelink + USB / FireWire card and a Apple 10/100 Fast Ethernet card have been added, giving me a smoking-fast machine that can handle pretty much any Classic Mac OS game I throw at it, and rival many mid-high end (stock) BW G3s. Despite all of this, there are still a few upgrades I want to add, and a few problems that have risen up from the upgrades I have added, that I thought I'd need to call on the LEM list about, so here I am. 1. After installing the Rage 128 and connecting my monitor to the card, not only are the built-in Rage II+ graphics disabled (as was expected), but the A/V Wings card refuses to give me any video output in the Apple Video Player. Connecting the monitor back to the built-in monitor port re-enables the Wings card, but disables the graphics acceleration from the Rage 128. I always that the Wings card was a killer selling point with the Beige G3s. Is there any way around this or will I be forced to pick the lesser of two evils? 2. What model DVD-ROM drive did the DVD-equipped Beige G3s ship with and what speed did it run at (2x? 5x?) 3. Given the fact that my Rage 128 is the same kind that shipped with some of the later BW G3s, I noticed that it includes a connector for the BW's DVD decoder card. Thus, could I add a DVD decoder card to the Rage 128 while it's in my Beige G3 for hardware-decoded DVD playback? 4. All of my PCI slots are now full, so I won't have any room for a faster IDE controller card. However, would I see a substantial performance improvement in using a newer, faster drive or does the stock drive pretty much already operate at the integrated controller's 16MB/s cap? Thanks for your help. That's all for now. :) --James Chapel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Give 'em a 7 MHz processor and 1 MB RAM and see what they can do ! And no I am not kidding. Uphill both ways, I presume, barefoot in the snow? 8-P With loose RAM slots and a dirty tape drive ! My first layered composite image process was done on a machine of that spec. Later I had 16 MHz and 16 MB RAM. That machine sits on the floor about 2 feet from where I am now. RAM?? you had RAM? Luuuxury. Yep, the early 90s saw a lot of folks unloading their super expensive used equipment to buy those Oh so reliable PCs! Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from the floor of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three graphics artists would die every time we did a layer mask! But it beat getting the pottery wheel to keep a steady rpm while you held the twig to the clay trying to read the pottery grooves for data. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from the floor of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three graphics artists would die every time we did a layer mask! Those clay jar wine vinegar acid batteries were crap too. And the wife would always be raiding them for salad dressing ! fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from the floor of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three graphics artists would die every time we did a layer mask! But it beat getting the pottery wheel to keep a steady rpm while you held the twig to the clay trying to read the pottery grooves for data. You just didn't have the right equipment! http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/flinstonerecord.jpg -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:20 PM, James Therrault wrote: That is unlikely, the 'improperly put away' issue only affects read/write media like flash drives, and is a warning about un- flushed write caches for that volume filesystem, it wouldn't affect the modem hardware. If this was the problem, it wouldn't mount on the G4 either, since the breakage happens on the device, not in the OS. When the modem mounts on the Gigabit, it does so as a CD which opens up and contains the installation software. If you remove it without unmounting it, you will get a warning to the effect that the item was not closed properly and could suffer damage. Once the s/w is installed, the modem is initialized. That it mounts as a CD indicates that it's read-only. Again, the warnings actually only pertain to devices that can be written to, not read-only devices. That it mounts onf the G4 means that even if it WAS a read-write device, it's ok. Yes I agree. I spent almost an hour at the Cricket, (Corporate), store today and besides being insulted that I had a Mac, they couldn't ascertain a thing. I believe the device is OK but something weird happened software-wise on the PowerBook. I can mount a SD card/reader without problems etc. I may have to resort to opening another bottle of Pinch... JT Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from the floor of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three graphics artists would die every time we did a layer mask! But it beat getting the pottery wheel to keep a steady rpm while you held the twig to the clay trying to read the pottery grooves for data. You just didn't have the right equipment! http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/flinstonerecord.jpg _ The turtles of the right spin rate were hard to come by. They had to be carried on donkeys from the upper Nile. Camels were too fast and the jarring made the turtles nauseous . Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 14, 5:32 pm, James Chapel dragnero...@gmail.com wrote: 2. What model DVD-ROM drive did the DVD-equipped Beige G3s ship with and what speed did it run at (2x? 5x?) 4. All of my PCI slots are now full, so I won't have any room for a faster IDE controller card. However, would I see a substantial performance improvement in using a newer, faster drive or does the stock drive pretty much already operate at the integrated controller's 16MB/s cap? I'll speak to a couple of your questions, the ones I have experience with. 2. You can put just about any IDE DVD drive in the beige, I have a Pioneer DVR-109 in mine. 4. You will see a very large performance boost if you use a controller card (either ATA, SCSI, or SATA) and put in a new hard drive, 7200 rpm - 15,000 rpm with 8MB or 16 MB cache. It might be worth using the built-in ethernet to free up a slot for a controller card, or looking around for a combo ATA-USB Firewire PCI card. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
At 9:05 PM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: But I still often hear of the generations raised on computers. I guess that does not mean much. Playing games and sneaking porn does not teach you how to handle system resources We've been toodling around in cars for how long? 100+ years? And how many people are totally befuddled when it comes to changing a tire or even replacing their windshield wipers... heh. We're lucky if they can park between the lines! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:32 PM, James Chapel wrote: Connecting the monitor back to the built-in monitor port re-enables the Wings card, but disables the graphics acceleration from the Rage 128. I always that the Wings card was a killer selling point with the Beige G3s. Is there any way around this or will I be forced to pick the lesser of two evils? Use two monitors, driven from both. Solves the problem. Yes,the Wings card only works with the built-in video. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan wrote: At 1:46 AM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: After sufferin' years with erratic dial up, Cricket, (USB Modem), started covering the area last November of 2009. Best signal strength was two and sometimes three bars. Service was pretty dependable up until April of this year. Then it started to go downhill finally failing completely a few days ago. Modem would not mount as a CD on the Powerbook G4 1.25MHz. After hanging up, decided to try it on the desktop, G4 400MHz Gigabit and yep, it mounted there. (As an aside, the modem contains the initialization/set up s/w. Only problem here is that the Gigabit only has USB I as opposed to USB II on the PowerBook. Ok. So something is foo on the PowerBook. Other USB devices work ok? Other USB mountable devices work ok? Finder is set to display such volumes on your desktop? Launch Console.app and set it to view the system log. Then plug in the modem... and see what error messages get thrown. - Dan. -- Ignore the HP crap, I no longer have the printer and this is some of the leftover stuff. Here it is... Mac OS X Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165) 2010-06-14 17:01:18 -0500 2010-06-14 17:01:21.419 System Events[142] LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded 2010-06-14 17:01:22.951 SystemUIServer[83] lang is:en 2010-06-14 17:01:26.057 HP Director (All-in-One)[140] CFLog (0): CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be: (UNKNOWN) The parser will retry as in 10.2, but the problem should be corrected in the plist. 2010-06-14 17:01:26.066 HP Director (All-in-One)[140] CFLog (0): CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be: (UNKNOWN) The parser will retry as in 10.2, but the problem should be corrected in the plist. 2010-06-14 17:01:26.079 HP Director (All-in-One)[140] CFLog (0): CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be: (UNKNOWN) The parser will retry as in 10.2, but the problem should be corrected in the plist. 2010-06-14 17:01:26.089 HP Director (All-in-One)[140] CFLog (0): CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be: (UNKNOWN) The parser will retry as in 10.2, but the problem should be corrected in the plist. 2010-06-14 17:01:26.098 HP Director (All-in-One)[140] CFLog (0): CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be: (UNKNOWN) The parser will retry as in 10.2, but the problem should be corrected in the plist. 2010-06-14 17:01:28.155 HP Director (All-in-One)[140] CFLog (0): CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be: (UNKNOWN) The parser will retry as in 10.2, but the problem should be corrected in the plist. 2010-06-14 17:01:28.653 HP Director (All-in-One)[140] CFLog (0): CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be: (UNKNOWN) The parser will retry as in 10.2, but the problem should be corrected in the plist. 2010-06-14 17:01:28.913 HP Director (All-in-One)[140] CFLog (0): CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be: (UNKNOWN) The parser will retry as in 10.2, but the problem should be corrected in the plist. 2010-06-14 17:01:29.067 HP Director (All-in-One)[140] CFLog (0): CFPropertyListCreateFromXMLData(): plist parse failed; the data is not proper UTF-8. The file name for this data could be: (UNKNOWN) The parser will retry as in 10.2, but the problem should be corrected in the plist. 2010-06-14 17:03:01.134 Console[159] LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded 2010-06-14 17:09:38.681 TextEdit[170] LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded 2010-06-14 17:10:04.821 Preview[172] LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded /XRefStm encountered but not yet supported. Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c16afa5bde513afb06st05duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:05 PM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: But I still often hear of the generations raised on computers. I guess that does not mean much. Playing games and sneaking porn does not teach you how to handle system resources We've been toodling around in cars for how long? 100+ years? And how many people are totally befuddled when it comes to changing a tire or even replacing their windshield wipers... heh. We're lucky if they can park between the lines! It makes me mad that the lines get closer together. Yet my Dodge Caravan is still pretty wide. When I had the Big old Mercury Gran Marquis I didn't care. It was a rat ride. But the Caravan is too pretty! So while I get a car that improves my credibility. it is more vulnerable to damage to take that credibility away. Hard to win. Working on getting a Gran Maqruis again for errands and manuevers. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:05 PM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: But I still often hear of the generations raised on computers. I guess that does not mean much. Playing games and sneaking porn does not teach you how to handle system resources We've been toodling around in cars for how long? 100+ years? And how many people are totally befuddled when it comes to changing a tire or even replacing their windshield wipers... heh. We're lucky if they can park between the lines! It makes me mad that the lines get closer together. Yet my Dodge Caravan is still pretty wide. When I had the Big old Mercury Gran Marquis I didn't care. It was a rat ride. But the Caravan is too pretty! So while I get a car that improves my credibility. it is more vulnerable to damage to take that credibility away. Hard to win. Working on getting a Gran Maqruis again for errands and manuevers. Driving my Ford 250 diesel Super Duty is like my old Quadra 850 compared to the Nissan Cube as a MBP. Faster and easier to drive:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 8:29 AM, James Therrault wrote: Yes, there is an update but every attempt to install it failed. Now that you mention snow leopard, I know why it won't. No, the update isn't for Snow Leopard only. The installer is an .mpkg file, it contains three separate versions for Panther, Tiger Leopard together-they call this Tiger+, and Snow Leopard. The installer senses which OS version you're using and installs only the correct software for your OS. If you can't get it to install correctly, this is a problem. Perhaps try Pacifist to install with, if you do it manually only get the Tiger+ stuff, not the Panther or Snow Leopard. The drones at Cricket today loaded the latest build but attempts to install here at home still fails. After I get past the point where I have to enter my password, I get a (very) brief error message followed by a try later message. (Part of the installation process (I believe) requires modem interaction) thus the failure since it is not seen on the desktop as a CD. JT Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c16baa0d917a3a92d3st06duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
At 5:44 PM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan wrote: At 1:46 AM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: After sufferin' years with erratic dial up, Cricket, (USB Modem), started covering the area last November of 2009. Best signal strength was two and sometimes three bars. Service was pretty dependable up until April of this year. Then it started to go downhill finally failing completely a few days ago. Modem would not mount as a CD on the Powerbook G4 1.25MHz. After hanging up, decided to try it on the desktop, G4 400MHz Gigabit and yep, it mounted there. (As an aside, the modem contains the initialization/set up s/w. Only problem here is that the Gigabit only has USB I as opposed to USB II on the PowerBook. Ok. So something is foo on the PowerBook. Other USB devices work ok? Other USB mountable devices work ok? Finder is set to display such volumes on your desktop? Launch Console.app and set it to view the system log. Then plug in the modem... and see what error messages get thrown. Here it is... Mac OS X Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165) 2010-06-14 17:01:18 -0500 2010-06-14 17:01:21.419 System Events[142] LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded [snip] 2010-06-14 17:03:01.134 Console[159] LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded 2010-06-14 17:09:38.681 TextEdit[170] LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded 2010-06-14 17:10:04.821 Preview[172] LCC Scroll Enhancer loaded This is your console.log. You need to be viewing system.log. Also... Note that LCC Scroll Enhancer is an evil InputManager, known to cause all sorts of problems. As has been described in a number of threads on this LEM list, you need to rip it out... Search the list archives for LCC Scroll Enhancer for instructions. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD or Quicksilver?
Hi Dave, I got this USB2 card from amazon, for less than $10. It works great on my Dual G4 QS 2002- I've used external hard drives and ipods with it, with no problems. Don't plug your keyboard or mouse into it though, or else you'll have trouble waking it up from sleep mode. Apparently OS X disables the card when it goes into sleep mode, and re enables it after waking up, so it doesn't monitor devices for wakeup signals. Use the motherboard USB port for the keyboard. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B6B6Q1/ref=oss_product -sri -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:32 PM, James Chapel wrote: 1. After installing the Rage 128 and connecting my monitor to the card, not only are the built-in Rage II+ graphics disabled (as was expected), but the A/V Wings card refuses to give me any video output in the Apple Video Player. Connecting the monitor back to the built-in monitor port re-enables the Wings card, but disables the graphics acceleration from the Rage 128. I always that the Wings card was a killer selling point with the Beige G3s. Is there any way around this or will I be forced to pick the lesser of two evils? Yes, there is a work around. If you attach a Mac-to-VGA converter, the type that has adjustable settings for resolution, to the onboard monitor output, it will create a phantom monitor and the Wings card will be enabled for input/output (if you have the right extensions, in 9.2.2 you'll need to use the older versions of ATI Resource Manager ATI Graphics Accelerator from OS 9.1 or below. You can alternately attach a real monitor to the onboard video to enable the Wings card. If you use the phantom monitor route you should setup the phantom in the Monitor Control Panel so that it only touches your real monitor Desktop on a corner, otherwise you'll loose the cursor off the edge into the phantom Desktop (if that makes any sense to you, the computer thinks the adapter is a real monitor and creates another Desktop for it that you can't see since there is no 2nd monitor). As a last resort, you can just use the onboard video. If you're using the Wings, since it shares VRAM with the onboard video, it's a really good idea to have the optional 4MB VRAM chip installed. 2. What model DVD-ROM drive did the DVD-equipped Beige G3s ship with and what speed did it run at (2x? 5x?) It doesn't matter, these don't require a special Mac ROM to boot, and any modern DVD-RW is a million times better than any optical unit that shipped with the Beige, they were all flakey back then. Use the most modern optical drive you can get. Even freebie ones from recycled PCs are better than anything that shipped with a Beige. Make sure the firmware is up-to-date on you optical drive if you can BEFORE you buy since most optical drives require a Windows PC to update the firmware. I believe Pioneer drives may have a Mac firmware updater available, but I've never owned any optical drive that I could update the firmware on a Mac, so shop carefully if you only have a Mac available. 3. Given the fact that my Rage 128 is the same kind that shipped with some of the later BW G3s, I noticed that it includes a connector for the BW's DVD decoder card. Thus, could I add a DVD decoder card to the Rage 128 while it's in my Beige G3 for hardware-decoded DVD playback? Yes, but AFAIK every DVD card will be mounted in a video card already, there won't be any loose decoders floating around, and since EVERY Radeon card supports hardware DVD decoding, you're MUCH better off ditching the Rage 128 and getting a Radeon 7000. 4. All of my PCI slots are now full, so I won't have any room for a faster IDE controller card. However, would I see a substantial performance improvement in using a newer, faster drive or does the stock drive pretty much already operate at the integrated controller's 16MB/s cap? I didn't notice much difference when I used an ATA card in my Beige, I had an Acard model. It will be limited to ATA66 speeds even if it's an ATA100 or ATA133 card. I normally booted my Beige from modern external Firewire HDs using XPostFacto's helper disk boot process that enables booting from PCI Firewire cards for OS X only, I was using Tiger 10.4.11. Firewire is much faster than the onboard HD in my experience. If you're going to use an onboard ATA card, the fancy card to use is the Sonnet Tempo Trio with ATA/FW400/USB2 on one card. Then you can use the 2nd slot for a Radeon card, and have a free 3rd slot for wifi, or TV, or whatever you might need. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
This thread be obsolete of PowerPC ... seems like forever ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:31 PM, James Therrault wrote: thus the failure since it is not seen on the desktop as a CD. This is starting to sound more like a USB problem. Are you certain your USB is working properly with other devices. Does the modem identify properly in System Profiler? You also should uninstall ALL that HP all-in-one printer software, especially since you don't have the printer. This HP software was known to have terrible memory leaks and daemons that ate up CPU cycles, it was TERRIBLE software and needs to be removed ASAP. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Dan wrote: At 5:44 PM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan wrote: At 1:46 AM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: After sufferin' years with erratic dial up, Cricket, (USB Modem), started covering the area last November of 2009. Best signal strength was two and sometimes three bars. Service was pretty dependable up until April of this year. Then it started to go downhill finally failing completely a few days ago. Modem would not mount as a CD on the Powerbook G4 1.25MHz. After hanging up, decided to try it on the desktop, G4 400MHz Gigabit and yep, it mounted there. (As an aside, the modem contains the initialization/set up s/w. Only problem here is that the Gigabit only has USB I as opposed to USB II on the PowerBook. Ok. So something is foo on the PowerBook. Other USB devices work ok? Other USB mountable devices work ok? Finder is set to display such volumes on your desktop? Launch Console.app and set it to view the system log. Then plug in the modem... and see what error messages get thrown. snip Also... Note that LCC Scroll Enhancer is an evil InputManager, known to cause all sorts of problems. As has been described in a number of threads on this LEM list, you need to rip it out... Search the list archives for LCC Scroll Enhancer for instructions. Done! Here's the system log beginning with a couple of lines before I plugged the modem in. com.devgure... is when I plugged the modem in. It's all Greek to me... JT Jun 14 20:35:01 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 configd[36]: executing /System/Library/SystemConfiguration/Kicker.bundle/Contents/ Resources/enable-network Jun 14 20:35:01 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 configd[36]: posting notification com.apple.system.config.network_change Jun 14 20:35:01 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 lookupd[98]: lookupd (version 369.8) starting - Mon Jun 14 20:35:01 2010 Jun 14 20:35:02 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 configd[36]: AppleTalk startup complete Jun 14 20:35:02 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 ntpdate[110]: can't find host time.apple.com\n Jun 14 20:35:02 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 ntpdate[110]: no servers can be used, exiting Jun 14 20:35:04 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 configd[36]: target=enable-network: disabled Jun 14 20:36:41 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree: init Jun 14 20:36:41 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::attach Jun 14 20:36:41 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::probe Jun 14 20:36:41 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::detach Jun 14 20:36:41 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::attach Jun 14 20:36:41 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::start! Jun 14 20:36:41 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: 0x0::Write - status Jun 14 20:36:44 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::terminate Jun 14 20:36:44 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::message Jun 14 20:36:44 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::finalize Jun 14 20:36:44 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::stop Jun 14 20:36:44 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: com_devguru_CDFree(0x34d6180)::detach Jun 14 20:36:50 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: AppleUSBCDCACMData: Version number - 3.1.9, Input buffers 8, Output buffers 16 Jun 14 20:36:50 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: DevGuruVsp: Version number - 3.1.9, Input buffers 8, Output buffers 16 Jun 14 20:36:50 james-therraults-powerbook-g4-15 kernel[0]: DevGuruVsp: Version number - 3.1.9, Input buffers 8, Output buffers 16 Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c16db7f61c5612c70st03duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 14, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:31 PM, James Therrault wrote: thus the failure since it is not seen on the desktop as a CD. This is starting to sound more like a USB problem. Are you certain your USB is working properly with other devices. Does the modem identify properly in System Profiler? Yes, the USB ports work fine. My SD card reader mounts and of course my mouse works fine. You also should uninstall ALL that HP all-in-one printer software, especially since you don't have the printer. This HP software was known to have terrible memory leaks and daemons that ate up CPU cycles, it was TERRIBLE software and needs to be removed ASAP. I agree... The printer was a POS and I'm going to get rid of all the HP stuff that I can find. I haven't had any good experience with HP stuff since the early 1990's... JT Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c16dc81548fe3ae5cbst06duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.netwrote: This thread be obsolete of PowerPC ... seems like forever ... Wrong thread Bill. This is a clearly marked spin-off regarding Rich text as a communicative tool and has gotten into a discussion of other subjects. To express the opinion that PPCs are or are not obsolete, that is the other thread.. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 PM, James Chapel wrote: Would something like this do the job? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemItem=220607466243Category=41999_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2 Yes, this is it exactly. If you're using the Wings, since it shares VRAM with the onboard video, it's a really good idea to have the optional 4MB VRAM chip installed. Interesting that you mention that. In the Apple System Profile I noticed that the computer reports 4MB of VRAM. Working with the motherboard, I also noticed that the VRAM chip is labled as a 4MB module. I remember reading somewhere that the Rage II+ built into the Rev-A G3s comes with 2MB VRAM built-in, for a maximum of 6MB. Is the Apple System Profiler only reporting the additional VRAM installed? Can I add an additional 2MB chip somehow? This is strange. The onboard should have 2MB soldered on, and the optional chip is another 4MB, giving a total of 6MB. The fact that yours is reporting 4MB seems strange, but perhaps this is because you're not using the onboard video at all? AFAIK it should report 6MB. I suppose there's a slim chance there was some type of 2MB module, or perhaps your 4MB module isn't seated well and only 2MB are being recognized? Thus, could I add a DVD decoder card to the Rage 128 while it's in my Beige G3 for hardware-decoded DVD playback? Out of sheer curiosity, though, has anyone on the list ever attempted this? I've got a Rage 128 with the decoder card installed. It works if that's what you're asking? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
