Re: Digest for g3-5...@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic
On 5/19/14 11:34 AM, Click wrote: Legacy in this case means a version of the program that will also work on the machines of those of us who still run a 9.2.2 machine or two, due to hardware/driver compatibility issues with a critical legacy function. Is there a version of the program available that will work with these 'legacy OS machines? I'm pretty sure there's a version of Disk Warrior which works on 9.2.2 machines and I thought I had one (since I also still have one 9.2.2 machine), but I don't see it in my disk storage. I do see Techtool Pro, which was definitely useful in those days. I have version 3.0.1 which I have marked as OK up to 9.1, so you'll want to scare up a later version if you want to try that. I didn't look back in the thread beyond this subject line so I don't know the exact nature of your problem and therefore can't say whether Techtool will do the trick for you or not. We used Norton until it got squirrelly, then switched to Techtool, then to DiskWarrior. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: New Member to this list
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:32 PM, AmigaDave bbh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello one and all of the G-Group. I currently have too many G3, G4 and G5 Mac computers, but I am trying to sell some of them. In case you're not aware, LEM has a separate Swap list on Google Groups too. Buy, sell, trade, and sometimes free-for-shipping. For example, I need to clone the hard drive in my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac which has an Avid Meridian video editing system installed in it. Carbon Copy Cloner. It makes exact clones of whatever's on the drive. It'll definitely make a bootable copy of an OS9 drive. (come to think of it, I need to see if it'll do a clone of a CentOS drive I have... Anyone know?) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Permissions fix not fixing.
On 1/28/11 9:59 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 27, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Bill Christensen wrote: Apps are still all over the place. The applications folder itself seems to make sense: System read/write admin read/write everyone read only but most of the applications are showing (unknown): read only or (unknown): read/write for the middle setting. Would clicking apply to enclosed pretty much take care of that? No, because inside the application bundles permissions vary Are the applications broken? I think I've managed to hammer everything back into working order. Thanks for the advice. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Permissions fix not fixing.
Hi folks, I've run into a rather strange problem. I was having trouble with my hard drive, so decided it was time to migrate to one of my faster machines - a dual 867 G4 MDD which I'd recently taken out of serverhood. I used Carbon Copy Cloner to rescue the contents of the original 128gig drive and put them on a 250gig drive. With the additional space and the faster machine I decided to make the move from trusty old 10.3.9 to 10.4.11 - which turned out to run slower than I had expected, so I bumped right on up to the latest 10.5, which the same MDD has been running for at least a year with no problems and noticeably better speed. Somewhere along the way I started seeing permissions issues - many if not all folders that I should have access to are listed as System: read write unknown: read only everyone: read only and I was having to enter username and password to do simple moving of files. Downloads wouldn't be saved as the permissions didn't allow. I've tried permissions fixes from disk utility on the boot drive, from the 10.5 install disk, as well as manually changing some just to be able to function. The wierd thing is that the changes with disk utility aren't sticking - If I run DU again (after rebooting or not) the same permissions are seen as incorrect and are fixed. Any ideas as to how to get out of this endless loop? Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Permissions fix not fixing.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Any ideas as to how to get out of this endless loop? Yea. Give the owners and permissions a wack from Terminal. First, reset the directory and file ownerships with a chown command in Terminal, from your admin account: sudo chown -R bill:bill /Users/bill/ If that doesn't fix things up we can give you the commands to do the rest. Thanks, that did help a lot. Apps are still all over the place. The applications folder itself seems to make sense: System read/write admin read/write everyone read only but most of the applications are showing (unknown): read only or (unknown): read/write for the middle setting. Would clicking apply to enclosed pretty much take care of that? And yes, there's a full backup, thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver HD backup problem
At 11:46 AM -0500 1/12/11, Yersinia wrote: The only hole in my backup system at this time is that I don't have a REMOTE (off-site) backup. Prior to very recently, I didn't have one due to (a) not enough money to buy a SECOND 500 GB external HD, and (b) not having any reasonably accessible place to KEEP a remote backup if I had one. I also have to admit I was sort of rolling my eyes at the idea because what good is weeks- or months- old data; if I crash today and can't restore from yesterday's which is right here (i.e., somewhere in the house), the loss is already significant at best, at least with regards to my current doings. Well, OK, with one of my recent changes, now, it occurs to me I could keep a remote backup at my BF's house and could set a weekly update schedule. But right now money is tight again. Maybe in the spring or summer when I don't have to spend virtually all my non-rent and non-food money on heating oil and other necessities (like the one PRIMARY backup). One good reason to have an offsite backup: Some major thing happens to your home - fire, burglary, lightning strike, flood (can you say Brisbane? I knew you could), etc and wipes out all your machines in one swipe. Now you're toast. I had been using Mozy, but it started getting wonky so I've just started backing up using CrashPlan to a remote machine at my inlaw's home several states away. I like CrashPlan because it's cross-platform and they offer both secure remote backup to their servers for a small fee, AND secure remote backup to *any friend's computer* for FREE. (you can also use it to backup to an attached disk or to another machine on your local network). You can choose any or all methods. So you can do a full backup to an external drive, then take it over to someone else's house and start doing incremental backups to it there every night. That's essentially what I set up at my inlaws' over the holiday visit there. If there's ever major data loss here I can either pull the important stuff back over the 'net or simply have them ship the external drive back to me overnight and then load it in locally. I've done some test restoration, and so far everything looks good. I've yet to try a full restore from the remote over the internet, but that'll happen soon. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
At 8:22 PM + 10/25/10, Charles Davis wrote: On Oct 26, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: We have lots of cats left on the list: Asian Golden Cat Fishing Cat Wildcat (many varieties) ... Lion (used) Tiger (used) -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 Let's not forget Tabby and Calico! ;-) Amanda And then there are the Black White Tuxedo kitty's [Black, with white paws shirtfront, white tip on tail] Just as long as we don't have to deal with Schroedinger's Cat... Every time you try to use it, it's either dead or not dead. And you don't know until you open the box. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Disk Capacity Limit - Real or Logical?
Hi folks, I'm interested in doing the LBA48 firmware adjustment on one of my G4s. The labels on the back say it's model number M5183, and that it's a Gig Ethernet. I'm looking at the specs on a Gig Ethernet on Everymac.com and it appears that it has an ATA-5 and an ATA-3 for the optical drive. ( see http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_500_dp.html) From the looks of the firmware commands below, it appears that the only parts that are different are the numbers 2, 3, and 4 respectively for the different ATA-n designations. So for ATA -5 would I just use: #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-5 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-5 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi ?? Thanks for any illumination. At worst, I guess I could try it and if it doesn't work just do a reset-nvram. Waaay back on 8/23/08, Peter wrote: The Hi-Cap kext will not work with Leopard, at least not the version I have. The hardware hack, as the writer put it, is simply enabling properties which were already present in the machine's ROM. As long as you DO NOT do a reset-nvram O.F. command, the properties will remain enabled forever. There are three different version of essentially the same thing: Enable LBA48. One works for the ATA-4 channel, one works for the ATA-3 channel and one works for the ATA-2 channel. You have to know which one is appropriate for your machine, and you DO have the ability to enable the properties for the HD bus, the optical bus, both or neither. (For 133 MHz bus machines, such as a DAs or QSes, ATA-4 and ATA-3 are the correct selections, but these properties are automatically enabled in the QS 2002 and all later machines). As has been previously stated, LBA48 is an ATA protocol function, not a real limitation. ATA-4 commands: #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-4 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-4 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi ATA-3 commands: #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-3 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-3 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi ATA-2 commands: #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-2 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-2 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
early version of Apple Mail still works
I thought y'all might enjoy this. Those old LEMs just keep on working for you! http://thereifixedit.com/2010/08/20/white-trash-repairs-carltons-mac-mail/ -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
At 3:58 PM -0400 6/9/10, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: I have a Power Macintosh G4 iSaw (AKA Sawtooth) with 4GB of SDRAM, 440GB of HDD space, Mac OS X 10.5.8, and Mac OS X 10.6.3. Yeah, that's right! I do have 10.6.3 on a PPC mac! Ok, 10.6 on a sawtooth is cool and all, but what I want to know is: Am I reading that right - do you have 4 gigs of RAM in that machine or are you talking about video RAM or something like that? If you can get 4gigs of RAM in a sawtooth (which officially has a max capacity of 2 gigs), I want to know how! -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Pros Cons of Stacking HDs
At 11:09 AM -0500 3/9/10, Bill Connelly wrote: Any experience with stacking drives in the sleds offered under the vent fan of a Quicksilver 2002? My Seagates (750 500GB) look awfully close together run off the onboard controller. For heat and ventilation reasons, would prefer they be separated, but even using a longer style non-CS IDE cable, I cannot get the distance needed from the last two connectors, to use the middle sled for the 2nd one. Would putting the double sled in the middle slot be better or possibly worse (no longer under the vent fan)? I have the length from the onboard connection to the end 2 connectors ... Any suggestions? IDE cable with more length between the end connectors available? I don't have any QSs, but in my Sawteeth, DA and GigE I was able to flip the second drive over, putting the two drives' IDE connectors closer together. Just close enough that I could mount ONE of them on a sled and have the other next to it, almost straight. Since my machines are typically only moved when I need to get inside 'em, I'm not that concerned about having everything perfectly nailed down and it worked for me. When I do use a sled it's for a single drive in the top slot of a dual slot type, to increase the potential airflow around it. It would be nice if they just made the cables with a little more space betwween those two connectors! -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?
At 5:01 PM -0500 2/21/10, Samuel Macomber wrote: with a sledgehammer.Actually I usually take the drive apart, those magnets work great on the fridge. Than smash the remains. Found laptop drive are the best for protecting your data, the platters are plastic so they shatter into a gazillion little pieces. Some of the 3.5s have plastic platters too. My 8 year old son periodically spends a couple hours taking apart dead drives from my ever-growing collection, and he managed to shatter the platter on one just last week. I don't recall which brand it was but it was large enough that it was probably less than 5 years old. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD bad RAM 3 beeps: I'm feeling even dumber than usual
At 1:19 PM -0800 1/24/10, tonycd wrote: I loaded all the 512s from the two 867 machines into one of them, chosen pretty much at random, since I needed one machine more urgently than two. Eventually, after some stumbling around, this turned out to be a sweet-running (if somewhat noisy) Mac that's now being enjoyed by my son. Ok, let me get this straight: Of the three machines, the 1.25 was working other than the DVD drive, plus you got one 867 working for your son. The third one is comatose? Or is the 1.25 also not booting? Or you somehow managed to fubar both 867s? In short, what works? The other two, though, are another matter. Eventually, I punted and started swapping around both RAM cards and CPUs. I had two old and small RAM cards, four newer 2700-speed 512 RAM cards, one older/slower CPU card, and one newer/faster CPU card. In the course of ineptly testing the slower machine, I ran it for about 30 seconds without the heat sink on the 867 card. Bye-bye 867 card. (Yes, I know. Dumb.) Now I have the faster CPU, both chassis, both machines' hard drives with Tiger on them after the previous owner wiped them and reinstalled the OS, a CD drive, a DVD drive of unknown condition, and the aforementioned proven-good RAM cards. Current state: Both machines, when fitted with the remaining CPU and either hard drive, give the interrupted chime and 3 beeps that is supposed to mean all the RAM is bad. I did the pencil eraser and shove 'em in real good drill. Makes no difference whatsover. I'm just about the point of recycling the whole mess. I'll be happy to provide recycling service for you. I won't even charge you for shipping ;-) What I'd do is to take the RAM out of your son's working 867 and, one at a time, put the bad RAM in and see if it boots. If they're all testing good there, then you can start putting them in the non-working 867 (one at a time) to see if you can get it to boot. Don't forget to hit the CUDA switch. Or whatever it's called these days. If they all work in your son's 867 and not in the other, there's a possibility that you have a problem with the RAM slots. You might also try swapping the bad 867 processor into the working machine to see if you *really did* cook it. It seems to me that it could have survived 30 seconds without smoking, but then again I wasn't there - use your own judgement on whether it's worth testing. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question for my Dual 533 G4
At 11:58 AM -0700 1/23/10, Kasey Smith wrote: On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Mark wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to upgrade by adding Tiger (replacing Panther) CS 2. (replacing photoshop 6) I want to run an updated browser web design software compatible w/ tiger. I know little about computers except creating art in Photoshop,so would appreciate any suggestions. I'm considering a newer Mac if this isn't possible. Below are the specs: Dual 533 MHz Mac G4, 1.12 GB SRAM, L2 Cache: 1 MB (per cpu) - Bus speed: 133 MHz. Memory: up to 1.5 GB Max;+ 128 SRAM This computer is partitioned - 1. OS 9.2.2, 57.26 GB capacity; 35.14 GB available. 2. OSX 10.3.9 Panther Thank you! Mark You could even do a little poking around and install Leo on there and it would run fine. :D (Leo takes a workaround for under 876MHz G4's, but dual 533MHz might even be faster then an 876MHz...) Tiger will likely run faster for you than Panther on that machine. I have a near identical DA. Leopard should work as well, but it may be a little slower than Tiger. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Double HDD stacking in G3 and G4
At 7:09 PM -0800 1/10/10, Michael G.M. wrote: Needing some suggestions or options for stacking HDDs in G3 and G4 PowerMacs that didn't come with the double-stack sleds. If there's any other ways or options for this other than the sleds (which I'll get from ebay's otherwise) I'd really, really like to know. I've googled and oogled many a time and wondered what could I use for SATA and ATA drives internally in G3 and G4 Macs. :P I typically don't stack my drives in the G3 and G4 towers because I feel it's better to spread the heat out despite the fact that I have plenty of double sleds. The majority of the longer two-drive cables I've seen (as opposed to the really short ones that most G4s came with) have *just* enough room to put two drives side by side if you flip the left hand drive upside down so its IDE pins are closer to the right hand drive's, and if you don't screw it down. Since my desktops don't move around much and I'm a bit of a cowboy when it comes to things like hard drive swaps I don't much mind that it's loose in there. I still wish the standard cable had just a smidge more space between the connectors. Your milage may vary... -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: keychain be gone!
The only way I know how to do that is to never start using it, which is my method. Don't make your machine remember your passwords for you - remember them yourself. My method is to have a secure base password which I can easily remember, then replace a couple of the letters based on what I'm accessing. For instance, say my base password is pa55w)Rd. If I'm going to Low End Mac, I'd take the first two initials, L and E, and plug them into someplace in the middle of the password to get pL55E)Rd. If I'm going to Google, I might take the first two letters and get pG55o)Rd. Hard to crack, hard to track. But easy for me to remember. And no, that's not my real base password. At 2:12 AM +0100 1/4/10, Tina Holm wrote: can I disable the keychain? if so, please tell me how alternately: can I somhow prevent the keychain from snooping up my passwords? everytime I'm presented with the possibility to store passwords in the keychain, I say no please, all apps I install that offers me to store password, I ask not to... time after time, I find stored passwords in that s thing help - please! tia /tina -- *^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^* Tina Holm, Pederstrup Djurs, DK. http://nehaia.dk *^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^*^^* -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth needs cuda press to start?
At 3:22 PM -0800 12/10/09, Clark Martin wrote: Any clues as to why I'd need to CUDA it every time? A low or dead PRAM battery would be my first guess. Yeah, already swapped that out with one that *should* be good (it tests OK). No difference. At 6:30 PM -0500 12/10/09, Dan wrote: And the 2nd most likely is the different processor - it's changed the system's timing. Hmmm. Ok, well everything else is working now so I guess it's time to put the dually back in. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Sawtooth needs cuda press to start?
Hi folks, I've got a used-to-be-trustworthy Sawtooth which has recently developed a number of problems. The IDE bus appears to be cooked so I'm using a SATA card for that. I had a lot of trouble getting it to start and ended up changing out the power supply. Now I find that it doesn't want to boot up if shut down completely unless I press the CUDA switch. It'll do a restart fine, but not a cold boot. I've currently got a 400hmz processor in it, but it previously had a dual 500 and i'll probably switch it back if I can get it to start reliably again. Any clues as to why I'd need to CUDA it every time? Thanks. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Single boop on startup
At 12:36 AM + 11/15/09, Andy wrote: Hi folks, I've got a G4 that's giving me startup problems. Problem solved. It was the RAM after all. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Single boop on startup
Hi folks, I've got a G4 that's giving me startup problems. I've tried replacing most everything but the motherboard, but am currently just getting a single boop tone on start up. And I can't remember what the likely problem is when that happens, as I don't recall having that occur previously to any of my machines. I've swapped processors, ram, PRAM battery and powersupply (the previous one would start and immediately shut off) with known working versions (except the processor, which goes in the assumed working category). Am I looking at a fubar'd mobo? -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Single boop on startup
At 12:36 AM + 11/15/09, Andy wrote: Hi folks, I've got a G4 that's giving me startup problems. Which G4? Tower? Powerbook? Ibook? Yeah, it's a tower. Sorry I wasn't clear on that. 20-pin connector from the power supply, so I'm pretty sure it's a sawtooth. Family M5183, G4 AGP Graphics according to http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3082?viewlocale=en_US currently just getting a single boop tone on start up. On all G4 Towers except the PCI graphics, 1 beep at startup means that either there's no RAM installed or no RAM can be detected. H. I've tried known good RAM from another machine. I've swapped processors, ram, Swapped RAM with Known good RAM ? Could be RAM slots not functioning, RAM not seated properly, dirty connections? It's definitely seated. I'll try cleaning the connections. I've tried several slots with known good RAM, but will try again. Perhaps I'm using RAM that works in my other machines but not this one. I'll see what I can do about finding an exact match - I've got four others of the same type, but they're all busy all the time. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: WAS; HELP!!! Beige PowerMac G3 now: freecycle
At 10:09 AM -0400 10/25/09, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: There is nothing wrong with the LEM swap list. In fact I think it is a great resource and has served most of us well. Many of us also know about Goodwill stores and the opportunities there to help your communities by buying there or donating items. And many times old Macs can be found there for a song. But how many of you know of the Yahoo group Freecycle ? Just a suggestion. We regularly Freecycle and Goodwill donate our old Macs and parts, and sometimes pick stuff up from them as well. Goodwill was the recent recipient of several Beiges and a bunch of old PowerComputing power supplies, among other things. The local Goodwill here in Austin has half of one of their stores dedicated to their Computer Works resales. They're a little overpriced - I can usually get stuff for better prices on LEMSwap - but this is a pretty tech-proud city. By that I mean people tend to put higher prices on their stuff than is usually warranted - I have never seen a Mac on Craigslist here for a really good price, for instance. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Insecure MacIntosh Powerline Networks: ATT Liable?
At 3:23 AM -0400 10/11/09, Dwight Hines wrote: And, has anyone figured out how to secure the individual Powerline adapters? I suspect you're talking about those run the ethernet through your home power dongles. I would think a fairly straightforward way to put at least some security on your network might be to feed the network adapter with a router which assigns only the number of IP addresses you need (instead of the default of a large dynamic range), assign the IP addresses to your computers manually, and require a secure password. I'm pretty sure most home routers allow you to do this. That way, even if someone can see that you have a network they are pretty much locked out (of course given the right tools, enough time, and someone with the right skills nothing is secure). Good luck in pinning liability on anyone. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Replacing power supply G4 MMD
At 11:22 AM -0700 8/27/09, mkehoe wrote: I've been told that the power supply probably needs replacing in my G4 MMD. Symptoms are: often, when trying to start up, nothing happens, and I have to press the re-set button inside the computer. I have been just putting the computer to sleep to avoid this. Question: How hard is it to replace the power supply? Is it just taking out the drives, and unscrewing and screwing things in, or does it require soldering? If it restarts fine from the internal switch and not the front switch, it may be something as simple as a problem with the switch itself. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW won't boot off firewire?
Thanks all for the reminder of XPostFacto's helper drive trick. That's doing the trick. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
BW won't boot off firewire?
Hey folks, Is there any hardware related reason that a BW won't boot off an external firewire drive. The drive is 250gig, but since it's external that shouldn't really matter. It's freshly loaded with 10.4.11. The same drive boots off my gig ether just fine. I've tried two different BWs and neither will boot. One doesn't even see the drive, though that may be because it's got a stripped down version of 9.1 on the internal drive. The other runs 10.4.11, sees the drive, but won't boot off it. The drive is for a friend who has had repeated crash/corruption problems with it on his Sawtooth. It's a Seagate SATA drive in an OWC Neptune enclosure. We've tried changing FW ports, cables, enclosures, RAM, and even hard drives (the original was a Seagate SATA 500gig) and now I'm wanting to have him try it for a while on one of my spare machines to see if things clear up, thinking it may be a processor or motherboard issue. Thanks for suggestions. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Listers take Notice ==Important notice: GeoCities is closing
At 10:19 AM -0700 7/10/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 9, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Stephen Weber wrote: Paul, it depends if they cached them or not, I know some they do and some they don't. If you have a robots.txt files in your web site blocking web crawlers, The Internet Archive will not archive the pages in that directory. Right. Or if you have a site that nobody links to. Then they're far less likely to find it. I don't know if the usual search engine rules apply to archive.org - preference to sites which are not full of coding errors, have meta tags and robots.txt files (non-blocking is fine, just as long as you have one), more incoming links, etc. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightening Season
At 11:44 PM -0400 6/12/09, insightinmind wrote: I've come to mistrust surge protectors, and really don't want to go into UPSs ... but are they immune to lightening? UPSs are better than surge protectors, usually, but they are NOT immune. We had a transformer blow about a half a mile away last December and it took out my APC SmartUPS 3000. And the power supply on one computer behind it (out of 8, plus various periferals). Everything else was unharmed. Fortunately, APC came through on the lifetime warranty and quickly replaced it with a newer unit (probably a refurb) and eventually a check to replace the fried PS. I also disconnect my DSL modem and ethernet cables: I've had good luck for many years using inline ethernet surge surpressors. I use TrippLite DNet-1, at about $18 per last time I checked. There are better/more expensive ones out there, to be sure, but I'd go broke putting them on all the hubs and switches and computers that need them in my neighborhood-wide wired network. We used to have to replace a hub or two everytime a big storm rolled through. We haven't had to in years, since we put the surge surpressors in. We've lost a port here and there, and a couple of the surpressors have croaked, but overall it's a whole lot better than slogging around right after every storm patching up the network while watching the *next* storm brew. Any suggestions about how to accomplish this better? I'll go with what the others said. Get a UPS. You'll rest a little easier if a storm comes up while you're at the grocery store or wherever. Or, plug everything into a power strip (they make 'em with built-in phone surge surpression too) and unplug it. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Swapping one default app for another?
At 1:57 PM -0700 5/22/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: I just got BBEdit 9, I've been using TextWrangler, and I have a whole pile of document types (.txt, .pl, .css, etc etc) all set to open in TextWrangler. Rather than burro through my disk and find an example of each one to 'get info open with change all' on, is there any way to tell the system 'Every kind of file I now open with TextWrangler, I want it to open with BBEdit? Jeez Bruce, if *you* don't know the answer to something it might not be possible! (this one is though) get info on an example file select the application you want to open that file under Open with click on [change All...] to apply this globally -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS for 2 Handme down Machines - which one(s)? and are they worth it?
At 7:14 PM -0700 5/11/09, McGrude wrote: The first machine is an iMac. I am guessing from his description it is either an early G5 or 2nd gen G5 iMac but I have not seen the machine yet. He will be bringing it in soon The 2nd machine is a iBook G4 933mhz, 256 mb RAM, 40 GB hard drive, airport extreme, CD-RW/DVD-ROM (combo drive I guess), battery life of maybe 5 mintues - effectively dead. I'd say 10.5 for both. If he keeps the iBook then he'll definitely want to get a battery and a memory upgrade. If it were me I'd put the maximum amount of RAM in both machines, install 10.5 and be happy for a year or two. - Mike I agree. The iBook should do fine with 10.5 if it gets more RAM (as usual, the more the better), but will be molasses without it no matter what version of OSX he puts on it. It'll be a decent machine for email/web/wordprocessing and such that a student should be doing, and fairly slow for things like photoshop and probably lousy for gaming. Which is a good thing IMO. It's old enough that it doesn't scream steal me the way a new 'book would. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
running a startup script in 10.5
Hey all, I'm trying to run a script on startup to launch a daemon, and I can't figure out how to make it work. I've faithfully followed instructions on OReilly and other known valid sources, with no success. There must be some voodoo I'm missing. In terminal I can just type it out: fetchmail --fetchmailrc /etc/fetchmailrc -d 500 --nosyslog --nodetatch I've tried creating an executeable script in BBEdit, complete with the #!/bin/bash and chmod +x, and all it does is open in BBEdit. This one has to run as a non-root user. I've got another that needs to run as root. I've tried to do the launchd thing, and keep getting user mismatches and such. I tried startup items in earlier versions of OSX. Any pointers? Thanks in advance. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC and Backups
At 10:09 PM -0400 4/26/09, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:09 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: 1. I feel like making two separate backups, one of my whole drive and then one of my user folder, as if I backup every couple of days and the system does something weird, wouldn't it be better to have a system to revert to? Absolutely I think I did not post this question properly. Should I backup the whole system once and then not update that backup until the next system update, and then separately backup the user files, nearly every day? The reason to do this would be that if you back up the System every day, would you not be backing up whatever errors have crept into it, thereby rendering the backup problematic when a problem occurs? Does this make sense? Yes, and that would be the preferable way to do it assuming you have the drive space. You may want to do periodic backups of the whole system more frequently than that, as there are always little changes that you're making there (application and system updates, and probably other changes as well). In fact, it's best if you keep more than one copy of the whole system if you can - one older version, and one more recent version. Just in case one of your backups isn't good. (in commercial environments it's not uncommon to save backups nightly, weekly, monthly, and yearly, but that might be overkill for you. I do it on my servers.) -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata controller in my MDD?
At 4:35 PM -0700 4/8/09, MacGuy wrote: So what's a cheap solution for installing sata drives in an mdd? a controller card? which one works good.. personal experience please.. Thanks, jeff I'm using Seri-Tek SATA cards i picked up off LEMSwap. They're working fine in the MDD with 10.5.6 -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Okay, once I've built my iWeb site, how do I post it?
At 1:54 AM -0400 4/3/09, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: I recommend you study the HTML and other web lessons at http://lynda.comlynda.com. many of these are free and you can buy more. Student rates are available also. These are very informative and are used by pros and students at universities and elsewhere. A bit of knowledge about the importance of an index page and file structure will help your site look and operate at it's best. The digital imaging lessons will help you optimize the pics for web use and help you keep the pages loading fast and save space on the server for more. Agreed. Knowledge is good. iWeb does some wierd code, from what I've seen. But it should be reasonably functional on nearly any ISP's server. The program you use is not as important as structure. You can even do it in Word if you already have that. Gyah! No! Bad codemonkey! Word continues to improve, but ye gods it puts a lot of unnecessary garbage in there! I've cleaned up a LOT of I did it in Word sites. They're often easier to just rebuild from scratch. In my latest Word rescue (last night) I found that the page which was built in MS Word displayed properly in most browsers, but completely bombed in you guessed it, MS IE on Windows. How ironic. My favorite was the one that had something like 11,000 non-breaking spaces (nbsp;) on the equivalent of about two 8 1/2 by 11 sized pages. It sure did run faster once we took them out! But a WYSIWYG makes it easier to see the changes as they are made. Dreamweaver lets you see both the design and the code at the same time if that helps you learn. But anyway you do it it can be creative fun. The big problem with WYSIWYG (speaking as one who has hand-coded since 1994) is that even the best of them (Dreamweaver and perhaps a few others) put a lot of unnecessary code in there, as they are not able to relate one code insert to the next. So after a few edits, you tend to see things like: span style=font-size:11px;span style=font-size:12px;span style=font-size:11px;span style=font-size:14px; /span/span/span/span (in other words, you had some text there, and you changed the font size three or four times, then deleted all but a space. Now you have a big pile of contradictory code which basically does nothing but slow down your load time. ) -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
At 8:30 AM -0700 3/27/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:18 AM, Bill Christensen wrote: And in the most recent MAMP server I built, i discovered that you can go into the instruction file and change the ./configure directives. This is important if, for instance, the apache server you're installing doesn't normally come with PEAR or MySQL support, and you know you will likely need support for those. Be careful using MAMP rather than XAMPP or building the various bits by hand. MAMP is designed for developers to have a server system on their Mac for development purposes, and is missing some security stuff that you really want in place for running a live server. From the MAMP website: MAMP was created primarily as a PHP development environment for Macintosh computer and should therefore not be used as Live Webserver for the Internet. In this case, we recommend that you use Mac OS X server with the provided Apache or a Linux server. XAMPP is as easy a plug-n-play solution, and is set up to serve as a live internet server. Just make sure you go through and do the security steps during the installation. We had some folks here leave that step out and their server got hacked. I was using MAMP in the generic form, Mac Apache MySQL PHP, as opposed to the packaged MAMP install. I'd appreciate pointers to any missing security stuff. I took a look at XAMPP recently but didn't see if it's easy to tweak the various server configs to fit specific needs (such as PHP supporting PEAR in the above example). The big problem with plug-and-plays is that they can be hard if not impossible to customize. And it seems that someone always wants something that isn't in the pre-packaged versions. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Worms in clear plastic keyboard
At 7:07 PM -0400 3/26/09, Dana Collins wrote: (my frugality flinches at the thought of just throwing it away because of a few pests - to Jonas: if they crawl, they breathe: seal the keyboard in a box that's been sprayed with insecticide - the worms will be dead in a few minutes). Or bag it well and throw it in the freezer. At least they'll be dead when you go to open and clean it. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X Server 10.4 v's OS X Client 10.5 for home server
At 7:45 PM -0700 3/26/09, nestamicky wrote: I don't have an xserve but do have a Sawtooth that I'd like to put to use the same way the OP is desiring. I think this thread should be kept alive so we can all learn about running a dedicated server on OS X. I'm getting tired of the multi platform computing at home and would like to go complete mac, at least for most of the time. So, let's keep this thread alive! I'd like to learn all there is to set mine up! MacPorts works well for me. There are some 5000+ programs (admittedly, many are those wierd little dependency programs that you have to install before you can add the program you want). One nice thing is that MacPorts knows the dependencies and installs them first, unlike installing from source code. It's really frustrating to run a long compile only to find that there's some cpan module you don't have in place yet. And in the most recent MAMP server I built, i discovered that you can go into the instruction file and change the ./configure directives. This is important if, for instance, the apache server you're installing doesn't normally come with PEAR or MySQL support, and you know you will likely need support for those. Look in the HowTo section for how to upgrade - that shows you where the instruction files are and how to open them for editing. (I changed mine to -with-pear and -with-mysql and re-installed apache with no problem) Also, be sure to read their section on how to build a MAMP server, if that's your goal. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: xserve question
At 5:11 PM -0700 3/24/09, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I just bought two Xserve G4's. They are on there way and i had some questions. I know you can get the apple drive modules and boot off one of those right? I don't have any adm's but would still like to use the internal ata 100/133. Is there a way to do that without using an adm? I don't care if there is a way to mount the hard drive. Xserve G4 DP1GHZ Xserve DP1.33GHZ -Jonas You might be in luck. Someone on LEMSwap just posted this the other day (apologies for the cross-post). Perhaps he can do what's needed for xserve G4s too: From: Donald Hall lems...@ninjaproduction.com To: lems...@googlegroups.com Subject: FS: Xserve G5 Custom SATA Power Wiring Harness (No Trays Required!) I'm offering the service of custom built hard drive power cables for use in Xserve G5s. These cables plug directly into the motherboard and take the place of the normal hot-swap backplane in the Xserve. With the backplane removed, you're free to insert any SATA hard drive without the need for an Apple Drive Tray, saving several hundred dollars. All you'll need will be SATA cables to connect your hard drives to the motherboard or to a PCI card, whichever you prefer. These power cables also allow you to install 3 or more hard drives in a Cluster Node Xserve. So far I've built two of these cables, one for my own Xserve and another for a friend. My Xserve Cluster Node has three 1.5TB 3.5 hard drives in the drive bays connected to a Highpoint Tech RocketRAID card as well as a 2.5 SATA hard drive in the PCI bay that is connected to the motherboard as a boot drive. I'm able to build a cable to power any number of drives, from one to three in the drive bays and there's room for up to two 2.5 drives in the PCI bay. Since needs will vary, I'll offer 'build to order' pricing. $30 - Single Drive Power Harness $20 - Each Additional Drive Serious Inquiries Only Please When considering the prices, keep in mind that I am building the cables completely from scratch. Each connector and contact has to be bought, every wire cut, every crimp has to be done. There are no ugly splices, no electrical tape, no soldering. If you'd like to see other work I've done, please check out http://atxg4.com where I sell adapters that allow the use of ATX power supplies as replacement parts in G4 towers. I cannot build cables for Xserve G4s or Intel Xserves as they rely on their backplanes for other functions. - Paypal strongly preferred. Ypsilanti, MI 48198 Ebay: the_grim_ninja (950+, 100% positive) -Donald Hall -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
speakers (was: Re: White MacBook Purchase?)
At 7:37 PM -0700 3/20/09, tortoise wrote: On topic: what happens if I try and plug a pair of ordinary speakers into my G4-DA ? I got a submini to mini stereo adapter, but I read on apples support site that apple speakers have a ROM which identifies them to the computer. There they say you shouldn't connect regular speakers, but they do not say it will hurt the computer or the speakers... has anyone tried it ? Yep. No problem here. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
At 10:04 PM -0500 3/9/09, Kris Tilford wrote: Whenever you play musical HDs you need to trash the SystemLibraryExtensions.kextcache and SystemLibraryExtensions.mkext files. Alternately, you could also use a utility such as Onyx to clean all the caches out, making sure to check to check the box for System caches (normally NOT cleaned), but when you change machines, the System caches NEED to be rebuilt from scratch, hence, trashing the two files or using Onyx, etc. Son of a gun. That did it. Thanks! -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: WTB: Apple Universal Monitor Stand
At 7:09 PM -0400 3/10/09, Bob Whiton wrote: Looking to buy an Apple Universal Monitor Stand (circa 1990). These are strong enough to support CRT monitors. Evan Has the LEMswap list been shut down? There has been a lot of buying/selling transactions on this list and the G4books list lately. Nope, still working fine. I just bought something last week. lems...@googlegroups.com -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
Hi all, I recently acquired a second 17 LCD monitor (from LEM Swap, natch). My old one moved over to replace the 17 Apple CRT (Studio Display? Not sure what it's called, but it looks like the 1st gen iMacs). One of the machines on that monitor, a G4 dual 450 running 10.4.8, only has two monitor size choices: 800 x 600 and 1024 x 768. The LCD wants something more in the 1280 x ??? range, and after a restart comes up black. I can get to it using good ol' Timbuktu, and fortunately it's a server that doesn't require me to look at it often. So I'm not hurting too bad. I've tried other video cards that show the same with this particular system install, and other hard drives with various OSX installs have displayed plenty of choices fine on this machine. The card is a standard ATY Rage 128 Pro (ROM revision 113-72701-125 if that makes any difference). So the big question is: what system bits do I need to copy into there to get it to show me a choice in the 1280 range? Because this is a working server I'm not prone to a system reinstall - or as you can see by the fact that it's at 10.4.8, an upgrade. It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. Thanks for any pointers. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
At 6:14 PM + 3/9/09, amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: Bill, *Snip* It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. Thanks for any pointers. -- Bill Christensen Try Detect Displays in the displays preferences pane. My iMac wouldn't recognise my 2nd LCD till I did that. Might help!? Nope. There's no Detect Displays there. And to clarify, I'm only using one display on this machine. I've got a switch on the display that allows me to see four different machines. And my other LCD sees another four. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
At 1:47 PM -0700 3/9/09, Clark Martin wrote: Bill Christensen wrote: So the big question is: what system bits do I need to copy into there to get it to show me a choice in the 1280 range? Because this is a working server I'm not prone to a system reinstall - or as you can see by the fact that it's at 10.4.8, an upgrade. It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. What is the interface you are using on the Rage card? Interface? You mean AGP vs VGA? I'm using the VGA. But the VGA works fine if I start off a different HD, run through the same wires and switch. I The current machine had previously been used for a different purpose with a different HD, and I never had any problems there. The current HD was originally installed in BW and that's where it got the OS installed. When I got a newer, faster machine I did a musical hard drives and all the servers moved up a notch in speed. This HD carried the problem over from a BW. Perhaps the BW card was only capable of small monitor sizes - it was an ATY, Rage128y with 16mb vram. Looks to me that the only difference between them is that the BW has a 128y and the current machine has a 128Pro. And probably the ROM revision. This card will work at the 1280 x 960, 1024 and others. Odds are the problem is because of the interface not recognizing what resolutions the monitor can handle. RIght, and I suspect it's due to some missing piece(s) of software somewhere. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
At 1:59 PM -0400 3/9/09, Tony Gamble wrote: On 9-Mar-09, at 4:28 AM, Bill Christensen wrote: So the big question is: what system bits do I need to copy into there to get it to show me a choice in the 1280 range? Because this is a working server I'm not prone to a system reinstall - or as you can see by the fact that it's at 10.4.8, an upgrade. It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. Thanks for any pointers. Maybe the application DisplayConfigX might work for you: http://www.3dexpress.de/ Hope that helps. Probably not: NOT SUPPORTED: ATI Rage, Rage Mobility, Rage Pro (drivers lack required features). But thanks! -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Terminal tells me I have new mail
At 9:54 AM -0700 2/3/09, Doug McNutt wrote: At 09:33 -0700 2/3/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: Mystery not completely solved man 5 crontab and check out the MAIL= option. You can specify a place to send messages that might be generated by scheduled processes. It's part of a wider ability to specify environment variables like PATH for cron jobs. My web host running open BSD allows a complete email address - over the internet - in the MAIL= line but the man page seems to limit it to the name of a local user . I donno the details about how OS neXt handles it. I also don't know what happens if you specify MAIL=NULL. -- Ok, I'm testing it out with a full email address, after having cleared the existing stuff in the /var/mail/~user file. i'll let you know if it works. Or blows up. Thanks. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Terminal tells me I have new mail
At 7:30 PM -0500 2/2/09, Steve R wrote: At 3:44 PM -0600 2/2/09, Dennis Myhand posted: Steve R wrote: When I open Terminal, it tells me I have new mail. To read the mail, open a terminal, if you haven't already done so, and type mail, and hit enter. Okay... thanks. Mail seems to be telling me that ClamXav has been sending me nightly reports, dated to coincide (around the date) I changed my preferences to auto scan. Mystery solved. And very simple 'mail' command hopefully remembered. Mystery not completely solved Other than opening the file at /var/mail/myusername with a text editor, is there any way I can download that mail to an actual mail client (preferably one on a *different* machine, as I have several machines which do this) and delete it from the file? One of my machines currently has 1245 messages sitting in there from various cron jobs. Terminal doesn't really let me read the entire message, just the characters that fit on one line, the width of the window. If there's an actual problem with one of the processes, I'd like to know about it in my regular mail without having to go to terminal or BBEdit on the machine in question. It's been buggin' me for a while, I just never thought to ask here. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which html email program
At 2:22 PM -0800 1/31/09, Jonas Lopez wrote: Which html email program I now need to send out email in the html format with pictures etc. as a Newsletter to about 2,000 addresses each month. I need your guidance on how to do this I've long been anti-HTML email. Specifically for the reasons stated by Dan: it will likely look like garbage on many email clients. (most of the html email I receive on Eudora, for instance, comes in disjointed image slices. It's near impossible to set the window to exactly the right width to view it as intended. I also roll my virtual eyes whenever I get an email with a background pattern which is reduced on my system to a little patch of color off in some corner. ) PDFs have a downside as well: They're often Really Big Files. Sometimes that's a matter of operator error - I just discovered that one of our clients' PDF newsletters was huge because the person who did the layup was including enormous versions of most images - even when only a small clip of it was displayed - and various other bloat techniques. But PDFs are by their nature larger than plain text with images Now imagine the server bogging down as it sends 2000 times that file size. Ouch. We recently convinced the above client to switch from their PDF newsletter to putting the news on their website in a blog-style page, with a short, text only email with short announcements and/or teasers and links to the site. The advantages are: 1) the members don't get huge periodic emails that they may or may not read 2) it drives relevant traffic to the website, which is typically a goal of most website owners 3) Fresh website content makes search engines happy, another important goal of a website. The disadvantages are: 1) it's an extra step for the members to remember to go to the website to read it periodically. (personally, I *prefer* to get most of my news via text email, and have been known to stop following certain news sources when they went all web. That is why the teaser email in lieu of the full newsletter-by-email is important. Those who are interested may still need to be reminded to go look) -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to remove scratches?
At 11:21 AM -0800 1/7/09, Jeffrey Engle wrote: any way to get rid of these scratches on my eMac front bezel? could I take wet sandpaper to it? any ideas? Depending upon the depth of the scratch and the smoothness of the surface, I would think that heat might work better. But I'd definitely test that theory on a scrap piece of the same material first, as you might get shrinking, curling, or any number of other bad results. And if you actually do it to the real thing, make sure that no working components will be damaged by the heat. No sense in turning a perfectly working piece of equipment with an aesthetic imperfection into a non-working but aesthetically perfect one! ...Or maybe you should just confess to your significant other that yes, it was you who scratched it and you're very sorry ;-) -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New 500G Firewire HD - folders or partitions?
At 6:07 PM -0800 1/4/09, aussieshepsrock wrote: Emergency Technical Question! Does the Original Poster's Sawtooth Mac have a Hard Drive Size or Partition Size limitation of some sort that he/she needs to consider? Since it's an external (Firewire) drive, there's no problem. The 128 gig limit is from the machine's ATA bus. The drive is mounted on the external FW box's bus, which can handle big honkin' drives. At 9:05 PM -0600 1/4/09, D Stubbs wrote: Here's the specs I showed on my original post Sawtooth 500Mhz 1280Mb Memory 160G (128) Seagate HD OS10.4.11 FW400 OWC 500G External HD So it seems to me I have plenty of ram at 1280Mb , no? 1280 mb of RAM will do you fairly well. The general rule with OSX is that more is better. I believe the fellow from OZ misread that as 128 instead of 1280 The HD shown has the 128G limit because it is a Sawtooth... I have it divided into 3 partitions, of approx size... 40G for 10.4 System 5G for OS9.2 85G for Files So I'd match the partition sizes to what you have, so you don't waste space on your backup drive. 40 gig for 10.4 System BU 5 gig for OS9.2 BU all the rest for other backups and files. No sense in making your backup partition 50 gig if what it's backing up can't ever grow beyond 40, now does it? Unless you expect OSX to go into serious bloat mode in the near future. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing PC3200 Ram into a PC2700 Dual 1Gb G4
At 3:54 PM -0500 1/4/09, Tony Gamble wrote: On 4-Jan-09, at 3:05 PM, artemis wrote: I've been offered a free 1GB PC3200 memory module for my G4 Mac Dual 1Gb MDD, and have been assured that it is compatible. However, my manual states that this model uses PC2700 RAM and that the maximum size module available is 512Mb. Anybody have experience with this upgrade method? Will it work on this machine or will it fry my Mac? Would appreciate any advice. It certainly won't fry your Mac, as PC3200 is backwards compatible with PC2700. However, it is likely that the 1GB stick will only be seen by the system as 512MB, which is still great as it's a freebie, and if you've got an open slot to fill. ... and let us know if it *does* see it as more than 512mb !! Because I'll want some too! -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How many internal hard drives
At 2:18 PM -0800 12/30/08, Mike Baker wrote: can be installed in a G$ Sawtooth? Do they have to be slaved together? It appears they do have to slaved together, since I only see one ATA slot on the motherboard. I do have an external Firewire hard drive attached to the G4 now, but I want to dedicate that to an iBook I have. It's built for two (one master, one slave), but you can expand on that. Take out the zip drive and put one there (slaved to the CD/DVD drive). Who uses zip drives anymore? Or if you have no zip drive, then you have an empty slot just waiting for a hard drive. The IDE cable probably even has an unused connector. Put in a PCI card for ATA or SATA and add two (or more) in addition to those. Or one of each card and two of each drive. There's room for six drives across the bottom if you have double-height drive sleds. You might want to work on the cooling if you add that many though... and probably upgrade the power supply to handle 'em all. At some point it makes more sense to go with external firewire drives. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Invisible (application) files on storage drives
At 10:13 AM -0500 12/11/08, Steve R wrote: I make it a habit of downloading to a non-OS drive or partition, and from there will mount or unzip a downloaded application, moving or installing to the OS drive Applications folder. File Buddy is showing a lot of invisible files, the sort I would expect to find on an OS drive, such as /user/bin... etc. I'm also noticing an X11.app with related files. I never run an application from this download drive (or mounted image). Can I safely delete these files which have grown into GBs of space in the past two years? If you can start up from a separate drive, dismount your normal boot drive and still see them you can be pretty sure they're just on the non-OS drive and can delete away. You could also use Terminal to see if they're aliases/symlinks to files elsewhere. Open Terminal, type cd and a space, then drag the enclosing folder or drive into the Terminal window to give you the path to it. Hit return. Then type ls -al to list all the files/folders. Those that have a - are symlinked from the location that the arrow is pointing toward. Aliases will show a zero in the size column. (at least in 10.3.9, where I just checked). Either way, if you're just using the drive/partition as a backup they should be safe to delete as the originals exist elsewhere. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Friend needs help with collection of Macs
At 9:49 AM -0800 12/10/08, Digital Bill wrote: A friend has come into possession of a huge collection of machines all hooked together, mainly Macs after the death of the owner, the father of a co-worker. He knows nothing about them and wants to see if they run and if so, if we can recover any data from them for his friend. The machines are being removed piecemeal and he's trying to clean them up and get them running. Currently he has either an Indigo Blue or Blueberry iMac, a Power Mac G3 desktop with a Powered by Sonnet sticker on it and a G4 GigE with dual 500Mhz processors. (I haven't seen any of these machines myself, nor the others, so I'm working off his descriptions, so please bear with me.) You can't necessarily trust the stickers. I've swapped out components on various machines enough that they don't always contain what the label says anymore. (or, as Talking Heads put it: I've changed my hairstyles so many times now I don't know what I look like...) Hopefully the deceased was more anal retentive than I about that kind of thing. Needless to say, most if not all of this stuff is in disarray; I don't think he even has enough power cords, mice or keyboards for these things. If he uses current day power cords, will it be safe? Power cords are interchangeable on those machines that you've described. If the beige G3 has a USB card, it's quite possible that you'll be able to use a USB keyboard on it instead of an ADB. Secondly, what keyboards do exist need some serious cleaning up. If he plugs his aluminum Mac keyboard and mighty mouse in, will they work, or will they only work on the most recent flavor of OSX? The PM G3 has a video card in it, with DVI and VGA ports - so he can safely hook up a regular monitor to it, right? One of the nice things about Macs is that if the cord fits, it probably won't blow up and there's a good chance it'll work. Aside from the comments that Bruce made about the newer keyboards... I've never experienced that, as everything I have is in the souped up LEM category. Finally, I'm concerned he may not have the original system discs for these puppies. What kind of problems might this present to him when it comes time to diagnose the hardware software and set up Admin privileges to manage the machines? Worry about that once you know what systems are running, whether there are passwords on the machines, etc. It may be helpful to have the installation disk #1 for a couple different OSXs - 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, maybe even 10.5 (though at the listed processor speeds it's not likely). And the part that scares me is, his friend did not know Macs, tried to shut them down while they were running and networked together (with apparently a ton of stuff still up and running on them), and she lost her patience and power switched them off. Any idea of the nature of the programs that were running? What kind of business or hobby he used them for? That could give a few clues as to what may be on them. It may have just been that they were set up for filesharing and the standard 10 min warning came up. If set up to auto connect to other machines there may be warnings on startup that such-and-such a machine can't be found; there may be a specific sequence that the owner Rube Goldberged together. Or they might just come right back up with no problem. Between some pressing deadlines and the holidays and all, I probably won't get the chance to go and help him first-hand for at least another week or so. In the meantime, I promised him I'd throw this all out to the collective brain trust here to see what sticks. Needless to say, the operative word here is Help! ;-) Just out of curiosity, what city/state/country are we talking about. It may be possible that someone here could physically visit... -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Boot a G3 from USB pen drive?
At 12:21 AM -0600 11/3/08, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 2, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Steve R wrote: Can an iMac G3 boot from USB? The colored iMacs and iBooks can boot USB. It's slow, since it's USB 1.0. Why would you want to do this? Normally, it'd be for emergency use only, such as to clone an internal HD to a Firewire HD in a completely safe way. To boot USB the easiest way is to use the Option boot and select the bootable USB device from the selection. The other way is to use Startup Disk from OS 9.2. Startup Disk in all versions of OS X WILL NOT boot a colored iMac or iBook. I believe that XPostFacto may also be able to do it using a helper disk. It's been a while since I messed with that. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Gmail Question
At 5:17 PM -0600 10/5/08, Stephen Conrad wrote: I have tried to keep this out of my SPAM folder but I am failing. It is the _ONLY_ Beliefnet email that ends up there. I even have gone so far as to mark (in the Contacts for Gmail) the option to Never Put It In The SPAM Folder. Still, it ends up in SPAM and nothng I do stops this. The email is from: Beliefnet, Chicken Soup for the Soul [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may be that it's actually sent FROM a different address (perhaps the individual sender's, perhaps a list admin address) - it depends upon what list software they're using. Check the headers (pull down that little arrow next to 'Reply' in the upper right corner to 'Show Original') and extract any other relevant addresses to mark as never spam. Also, you might want to do a Search Mail for Chicken Soup for the Soul or similar periodically to be sure that you didn't miss any. It'll look in the spam folder too. For those of you suggesting ways to keep Apple Mail from marking it as spam - it won't work. If Gmail lists it as spam it gets tucked away in a spam folder and doesn't get downloaded via POP3. Probably not IMAP either, but I don't use it so can't say for sure. Good luck. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can Anyone Help With RAM?
At 10:23 PM +0100 10/8/08, Simon Royal wrote: Hi I have my PowerMac G4 400Mhz running (after my Intel iMac died) and it is doing pretty well. I have 3 sticks of 128MB and a stick of 256MB in it totally 640MB, but as this is going to be my main machine until I get enough money together for a new one, I would like to cram it with as much RAM and oomph as possible. So if anyone has any spare 256 or 512 (I know its pushing it) PC100/133 can you let me know. Simon Try the LEM Swap list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck! -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Warrior-How?
At 7:39 PM -0400 10/7/08, Wilton Shaw wrote: Hello, I recently bought a used Disk Warrior bootable CD version 4.0 for my eMac which is using OS 10.5.5. I found out that version 4.0 won't work on 10.5.5. It needs version 4.1. Since I didn't get a license number with the CD, The serial number is usually written right on the CD. Alsoft tracks the owner of that number, and will issue updates to the owner. I don't know what they'll do in the event someone transfers the license - best to check with them. Typically the upgrade is not terribly expensive. You'll be able to download it to your 10.4 volume, then use it from there to repair your 10.5 volume. I have to rely on Booting to make use of the CD. I have an external disk that has OS 10.4.4 so it should work fine. I opened in this external disk and tried to open from the CD by holding down the C key. This didn't work but I was able to bring up a folder on my screen called Disk Warrior 4.0 bootable CD for Mac. When I clicked on it, I got a note Saying The folder Disk Warrior 4.0 bootable CD for Mac could not be opened because you do not have sufficient access privileges.. Can anyone help me to male this CD work on my computer? I would suggest NOT using this to fix your 10.5.5 volume unless you get verification that it won't break anything. You can safely use it to fix your 10.4.4 volume. If you can't get it to boot using your C key, try choosing it in System Preferences= Startup Disk -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth P1 burnout advice
At 9:46 AM -0400 10/4/08, insightinmind wrote: On Oct 4, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Bill Christensen wrote: Update: The power supply itself checks out. Voltage is good for all pins, including the blackend ones. I'll check various other components separately on another machine (processor, RAM, cards), but assuming those are working does anyone here know how to diagnose a mobo? original msg -- Hi all, Looks like I have a problem with one of my 'teeth. It wasn't powering up properly - would start to come on then die before any drives came up - and in the process of looking for the problem (suspected power supply) I found that three pins on the P1 power connector are blackened. All are +5 volt (pins 6, 19, and 20) according to http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/ATX_G4_AGP_conversion/ G4_AGP_to_ATX_case_pg2.htm. Which is the more likely culprit, the power supply or the motherboard? I don't want to risk blowing my spare power supply, or the dual 1gig processor on the board for that matter, by cooking something further. I see no other obvious signs of trouble. No charred parts or places where smoke has escaped. Obviously I need to dig around and find my meter (I think I hid it from my 7 year old last time I put it away and now don't remember where) to see if the existing ps is still functional. And i'll probably swap the processor for an old 450 single and put the 1gig in a different sawtooth to test it. Any other suggestions on how to proceed? Thanks. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ No advice on the mobo itself. (Far from being an expert). Did you have a power fluctuation or nearby lightening strike recently? All our machines are on a big honking UPS. And their ethernet connections are surge protected as well. This is what I would try: I would probably remove all PCI cards ... Sawtooth has an AGP card? Leave that in or move in a fresh known working one. Have a bare minimum amount of RAM ... maybe trying different slots. A bare minimum hardware setup. That's the plan. Reseat the HD cables and power plugs. And reseat other drives (DVD or CDRW drive, Zip, etc). Good point. Hadn't done that for everything yet. Make sure the PRAM battery tests good and is inserted correctly. Done Have a known good KB and Mouse attached. Right. Do protect and test the GHz cpu. I've got to free up a machine to do that on, will probably do that this weekend. Find the answer to: Can a mobo damage a psu? Blow out all the dust in the unit as well as in the psu. Recommend taking it outside ... it can build up in there! I keep 'em pretty clean. This one could use a light dusting though. I found this site for Apple psu-s (although I haven't purchased any, yet): http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Apple-Power-Supply-c-253_247.html? gclid=CIrvnOGOgpYCFQNfFQodwCYEEA I actually just purchased a spare last week from LEM Swap, so that's covered. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Sawtooth P1 burnout advice
Update: The power supply itself checks out. Voltage is good for all pins, including the blackend ones. I'll check various other components separately on another machine (processor, RAM, cards), but assuming those are working does anyone here know how to diagnose a mobo? original msg -- Hi all, Looks like I have a problem with one of my 'teeth. It wasn't powering up properly - would start to come on then die before any drives came up - and in the process of looking for the problem (suspected power supply) I found that three pins on the P1 power connector are blackened. All are +5 volt (pins 6, 19, and 20) according to http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/ATX_G4_AGP_conversion/G4_AGP_to_ATX_case_pg2.htm. Which is the more likely culprit, the power supply or the motherboard? I don't want to risk blowing my spare power supply, or the dual 1gig processor on the board for that matter, by cooking something further. I see no other obvious signs of trouble. No charred parts or places where smoke has escaped. Obviously I need to dig around and find my meter (I think I hid it from my 7 year old last time I put it away and now don't remember where) to see if the existing ps is still functional. And i'll probably swap the processor for an old 450 single and put the 1gig in a different sawtooth to test it. Any other suggestions on how to proceed? Thanks. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
DNS server exploit (was Re: PayPal Fraud...?)
At 10:31 PM -0700 9/12/08, Carl Nygren wrote: Hello all, I was going to log on to PayPal now, but a site popped up asking for name, address, credit card number, CVV2, date of credit card expiry, bank account info, and Social Security Number. What bothers me is a) Why would PayPal ask for this, and b) I live in Sweden and I am a Swedish citizen. :) I do not have a Social Security Number - since I do not live in the US. They didn't. See below. I did not submit any info at all. This is good. I did however send an email to PayPal asking how exactly they are expecting me to fill out this form. This could be worse than spam. If you typed the address in your browser, it's probably DNS Cache poisoning. (if you followed a link in an email, it probably was a common phish and not what I describe below.) In early August a security hole in the Domain Name System (the traffic cop part of the internet that changes the name you type in to your browser such as 'paypal.com' into an IP address of a specific machine) was discovered. Not all domain name servers have been fixed yet, though patches exist for most of them. The exploit involves taking advantage of the fact that Domain Name Servers typically do not change the port they talk on with each new query. As a result, it becomes possible for someone to hit a domain name server with requests in a way that allows them to 'piggyback' a payload of bogus data which gets cached along with the real stuff. (I'm not going into the details here, for obvious reasons). The patch causes the server to assign ports in a random sequence, which greatly reduces but does *not* eliminate the threat. Using such a technique someone could hack a DNS server such that a legitimate request for the location of www.paypal.com by someone using that server (ie, a user like you) would point to their phishing server. To test whether the DNS server you use is safe from threats of this type, use the DNS tester at http://www.doxpara.com/?p=1162. Everyone should perform the test. If your DNS server(s) don't pass the test, contact your ISP and demand at least one that does. For more info, see http://support.menandmice.com/jforum/posts/list/65.page and follow the links. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
