Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot
I also have some Avid Audio/Video equipment and software that will only work with a native OS9 booting Mac computer, which is why I am keeping my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac (upgraded to dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU module from the FW800 G4), even though I also have my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac. The 8 channel Audio switcher/blender and 4 channel video switcher/overlay and post processing software will only work from an OS9 Mac that is a native boot, not a Mac running in Classic mode. On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:13 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Feb 16, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Click wrote: I very much need a native OS9 boot machine. Why won't Classic suffice? In my case I use a CAD/CAM program $15,000.00 that incorporates a Rainbow hardware dongle that requires OS9 boots the Eve extension, so some of us really do need native OS9. No work around for this dongle extension in Classic so far. I would think after 20+ years it could be done but no cigar:-) -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot
Newtek! A name from the past that continues to try to stay alive in the world of intensely competitive 3D Model Rendering/Animation/ Compositing/Video Post Processing world. Considering the processing power needed to run modern versions of LightWave 3D (or any other company's 3D software), I would think that anyone wanting to run that class of software would be running it on a more powerful (probably x86/ x64) computer architecture, instead of a G4 PPC machine running MacOS9.x, but then I still have a couple of Motorola 68060 @50MHz Amiga computers with LightWave3D installed on them that get booted once or twice a year, so who am I to criticize anyone wanting to run LightWave 3D on their G4 PowerMac's. On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 PM, John Carmonne wrote: In my case I use a CAD/CAM program $15,000.00 that incorporates a Rainbow hardware dongle that requires OS9 boots the Eve extension, so some of us really do need native OS9. No work around for this dongle extension in Classic so far. I would think after 20+ years it could be done but no cigar:-) Don't know anything about Rainbow Sentinel dongles, but a company that was founded here in Topeka, NewTek, uses these dongles for their LightWave software, and they have a way to use LightWave in Classic as long as the USBSentinel, RainbowUSBSHim are located in the OS 9 extensions folder, and the Eve3.framework from the OS X Sentinel Driver installer package is installed for OS X. This may work for you? See here: http://forums.newtek.com/archive/index.php/t-13857.html -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Damaged in Shipping
G5 dual 2.5Mhz, June 2004, Radeon 9800 XT video. Model #A1047 EMC# 1969. M9457LL/A, liquid cooling. Conerns; 1. Damaged/Leaking LCS -- how to inspect it. The only way to thoroughly inspect for LCS problems is to completely disassemble the CPU modules from the mobo and check the area where the O-rings are located, which you can't see without pulling the CPU's from the mobo. This is where the corrosion will begin if a leak is too slow to cause catastrophic leakage. Even if there is no leakage, I strongly suggest that you replace those O-rings with new ones, to insure that they do not begin leaking in the near future. 2. Hard drive cables and connectors -- no_ SATA drive at hand to test (one cable was found disconnected from the motherboard. Not sure why Cameron says that this will be difficult to replace, as SATA hard drives are the easiest to find replacements for nowadays. If you are going to keep the computer, you need a SATA drive anyway, so just buy a new one. If it is the HD sled you are worried about finding, the G5 PowerMac does not have any sled IIRC, but it does have specially rounded screws that fit on the sides of the HD and guide the HD into the proper spot, with a flip down retaining tab that holds the HD in place. Questions: 1) Would anyone want to use this as production computer? All my production software is Mac PCI based. See my private email to you regarding potential buyers for this system, now that the port of MorphOS3.x supporting G5 PowerMac's with AGP slots and Radeon video cards will soon be finished. 2) How hard is it to take all guts out of this G5 and reassemble in a new case? Any propriety tools needed? And how to find_ take a part instructions? I'm up for a challenge --but is it worth it ??? I have done it and it is not too difficult. There is a guide at iFixIt.com that takes you step-by-step through the process. Like Cameron, I suggest that you take the money from the seller and then decide if you want to keep the G5, or sell it to someone else who is interested in the operation and not the looks of your system. A new case is going to be expensive for the seller to find and buy for you, so if you want to keep it for yourself and looks are important, you might want to ask for the new case. Good luck. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iTunes redirects
On Aug 18, 2012, at 2:35 PM, D. Fabel wrote: Hey all! New to the group. I just learned about Apple's discontinuing their redirects in iTunes. Wow... Or should I say, Ouch! While I'm glad I can still find and add streams to play, it is tedious to locate and replace them manually. Does anyone have any recommendations for adding streams back in bulk? Thanks, Doug Portland, OR As Apple does more and more to attempt to force us to dump our PPC Mac's into the recycle bin, I am so glad that I have other alternative operating systems, at least one of which is still actively developed, to run on these machines, which are still very capable of meeting all my computing needs. It pisses me off to learn of each new service that Apple denies to PPC Mac owners, and even some things that they deny to early Intel Mac owners. It is ridiculous that they discontinue support for their computers so quickly and abandon the owners of Mac products far too soon. AmigaDave 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's MacOSX 10.5.8 MorphOS3.1, Dual 1.25GHz G4 MDD PowerMac Over-Clocked to 1.58GHz single G4 MorphOS3.1 and Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac MacOSX 10.5.8 Ubuntu PPC -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Quicksilver Tower - DOA
On Jul 8, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Heidi Ifft wrote: Bottom line question, before I PAY to send the old machine to a computer graveyard, should I look at any particular sites? Is there a market for old parts? Might there be a more computer savvy person who can do an actual tear down and sell parts? Trust me -- I realize I won't be getting rich off of this old DOA machine. I was just curious...I'd much prefer to make $30 than to pay $45 to have it hauled away. If anyone has thoughts, I'd greatly appreciate any ideas or suggestions. Thanks, in advance. As the others suggested, Craigslist it for parts salvage value, but don't expect to get much more than the value to ship it somewhere. It beats paying someone to properly dispose of it though. There are better cheap options for running MacOSX, but you could Google MorphOS3.0 and you will find a small group of people that are using several models of similar G4 Mac computers to run an alternate OS that they are passionate about. The Quicksilver is one of the best models for running MorphOS3.0, because it is the easiest and latest of the G4 PowerMac's which you can easily find 1.6GHz to 2.0GHz accelerated G4 CPU modules for. The MDD and FW800 models of the G4 PowerMac that came after the Quicksilver use a different designed G4 CPU module and accelerated G4's for the MDD and FW800 models are much more difficult to find anywhere and so are more expensive. If the rust is too extensive, then there won't be much you can salvage from your Quicksilver, but hopefully for you, that is not the case. Good Luck! David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac G5 - how to migrate data?
On Jul 3, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I'd actually encourage Snow Leopard on Intel Macs (those that can still run it, thanks, Apple). It is noticeably faster than 10.5, it doesn't add any new disadvantages, and it has much better software compatibility -- for example, advance info states Firefox will stop supporting 10.5 around version 17, and Chrome will stop supporting 10.5 with version 22. Furthermore, Leopard only received a single token software update since 10.7 came out, and while Snow Leopard will be unsupported when 10.8 comes out, it still gets security updates. Apple should be fined for creating so much industrial trash and hazardous waste, when they discontinue support for hardware that still runs perfectly well. I hate legal bloat, but I would be in favor of legislation which would require manufacturers to support their hardware for longer periods of time, more equal to the length of time that the hardware is actually expected to remain running before most of it fails. 20 to 25 years would be a nice round figure. Apple has proven that they can continue to support old hardware through a transition from one architecture to a different architecture when they moved from Motorola 680x0 to PPC, and again when they moved from PPC to Intel. David W. Morris aka AmigaDave Want to run an OS that is still being actively developed for your G4 Mac computers? Check out MorphOS3.0 with support for 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks just added, plus many more G4 Mac models already supported. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI agp 7500 mac or not
On May 31, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 31-05-2012 9:47, Peter Devlin ha scritto: Regarding the OP question, I mentioned my X800XT just as an example about buying PC cards for cheap (and not bothering much with the 7500). I still think the Radeon 9800 could be his best option. I did not see if the OP was looking for a card for a G3, G4, or G5 PowerMac, but agree that the Radeon 9800 is probably the best choice for all three PowerMac series, but for my dual 2.7GHz G5, I prefer my converted Radeon FireGL X3 256mb VRAM card. Some versions of the Radeon FireGL X3 might not work in the G4 PowerMac's, but some will, from what I have read and heard from friends. Although I own both a G4 and G5 PowerMac, I don't feel compelled to test my FireGL X3 by removing it from my G5 PowerMac and taping the appropriate pins to allow it to work inside my G4 PowerMac's 4x AGP slot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 STUTTERED VIDEO
On May 17, 2012, at 6:44 AM, JohnV wrote: Where should I look for solving the unwatchable jerky video on this G5? DVDs work fine but anything coming in from youtube is a stuttering jerky mess. Try switching from Flash versions to the HTML5 option with YouTube. You have to sign up for the HTML5 option at YouTube to activate it. Not all videos are available with HTML5 versions, but the ones that are should run smoothly on your dual G5. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Compatible 2TB hard disk for Powermac G5 Quad Core
On May 14, 2012, at 4:00 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I'm partial to the Hitachi 2TB drives glad to see the price coming back down:-) , I have 5 of them in my G5 dual 2.7 and never a problem, I have had to warranty a couple of Seagate drives. I also have 4 Hitachi's in a Mac pro 2.66 quad. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacBook Pro i7 How do you fit and connect 5 2tb SATA drives inside a G5 PowerMac? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
On May 12, 2012, at 7:49 AM, peter wrote: Not to beat a dead horse, but I've spent the last two weeks rewriting my wife's web site in HTML5, on my G4. I write it in text edit, and check it in safari, ten4fox, opera, ie5, and Firefox. Well written code will render something usable on any browser, and give those flashy bits of fun on the latest browsers. Good for you! It is great to see even small (sorry for the assumption about your website) site administrators switching their sites to HTML5 and getting rid of Flash and java script. This allows many platforms that are not capable of playing Flash and/or having javascript problems to fully appreciate your site, without having Flash or javascript capable browsers. Html5 and css3 could spell the death of flash, and be a serious blow to java script, but good ridence to bad rubbish! I could not agree more, of say it in less words, more clearly. Finnaly, let's be clear, html5 is not fully implemented in any browser on any platform, thus the need for good coding practices, and backward compatability is written in to all HTML releases. That is a very BOLD statement, as there is not way you could know about all browsers on all platforms, but I won't argue the point with you. I will agree with the second part of your statement regarding the need for good coding practices. Too many bad coding practices (or lazy coding practices) have been promoted and learned by far too many people, and for far too many years, resulting in a limited few remaining programmers that even know how to write good, clean, efficient code any more. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: On PPCs, HTML5 is a markup language for structuring and presenting content
On May 11, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Dan wrote: Why can we not read HTML5? It's plain text, after all. Oh - you mean render it? Why not just use a browser that supports it. There are several. You might want to use Google a bit before posting alarmist-sounding drivel. - Dan You tell them Dan! Even the tiny, almost extinct Amiga OS4.x on PPC and MorphOS2.7 also on PPC (MorphOS2.7 runs on many Mac G4 models), both have web browsers which read and render HTML5 and can also render HTML5 YouTube videos. That was a very strange alarmist message that you responded to. David W. Morris aka AmigaDave -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G5 won't boot
I have an early dual 2.5GHz G5 PowerMac with the following spec's dual 2.5GHz G5 CPU's Radeon 9650 video card stock video card that I swapped from my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac which now has a FireGL X3 video card in it. 2gb RAM 250gb SATA hard drive SuperDrive I purchased this G5 as a partially working computer for parts, or repair. It ran fine, but the previous owner had confirmed that there was a motherboard fault which would only recognize the G5 CPU in one of the two sockets. The previous owner and myself had both tested by swapping the G5 CPU's from one socket to the other and confirmed that it was the same socket that was recognized as working each time, so I know that both G5 CPU's are working and planned on looking for a new motherboard to repair the system. While swapping the G5 CPU's from one side to the other, I noticed some corrosion around the circular metal plate that can be removed to check and add to the liquid cooling system, so I removed the corrosion, removed the plate and checked the coolant inside to make sure it was still full, resealed and reseated the metal plate and O-ring. This computer did not come with a hard drive, so to test it, I had previously taken the hard drive from my working dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac and installed it into this dual 2.5GHz G5 PowerMac. After the corrosion removal was complete, I re-assembled the dual 2.5GHz G5 PowerMac to test it before selling it to someone who is interested in replacing the motherboard himself. Now when I try to boot this dual 2.5GHz G5 PowerMac either from the hard drive, or from my Leopard install DVD, I get to the gray Apple logo screen and no further. The chime is normal and everything else appears to be the same as before, when it was running on just one G5 processor. Does anyone here know what causes a Mac to get to the Apple logo and just stop there with no error messages, and no other apparent problems that would give away what the problem is? If it was something drastic, I would think that it would not even get that far in the boot process. And why would it act this way when booting from the Install DVD? David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Getting OS9.1 onto MDD
Not sure about this discussion about OS9 not booting on an MDD. I have a dual 1.25GHz G4 MDD that I upgraded to dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU module board and before the upgrade to the faster G4 CPU module, I had placed an old 6gb hard drive from one of my G3 iMac's (Tangerine I believe), as I was planning on reformatting it to use as a hard drive for MorphOS2.7 (which only uses 175mb of disk storage space, so 6gb is plenty large enough for the OS and several tools and utilities with room to spare for a MorphOS2.7 system drive). To my surprise, during the first boot with that drive installed inside my MDD, it booted into MacOS9.2.2, off that drive, instead of my MacOSX10.5.8 hard drive which should have still been my selected boot drive. So, I don't understand these comments about MDD PMac's not booting unless there is a certain version of the MAC OS ROM v9.5.1 or greater, unless that file is usually included in a Tangerine G3 iMac. On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: This problem has been discussed many times before on G3-5 list. The problem is the MAC OS ROM version, it MUST be v.9.5.1 or greater to boot the MDD. Mac OS ROM is a tiny file within the System Folder. Here's a link to past postings on this subject: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/search?group=g3-5-listq=MDD+%22MAC+OS+ROM%22qt_g=Search+this+group Use a little ingenuity you can beat this problem. The simple way is to boot the MDD into Target Disk Mode holding the T key a boot, then attach to your Quicksilver or any other Mac that supports 9.1, install 9.1 onto the partition of the MDD and then update it to 9.2.2 and you're done, the 9.2.2 System should now boot on the MDD. Harder way is to extract the Mac OS ROM file from the 9.2.2 Update and manually place it into any installed OS 9 System Folder replacing the previous version. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Skype
I downloaded the last version of Skype that runs on the G4 G5 Mac models, but I am wondering if my 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook w/2gb RAM is fast enough to run it with both incoming and outgoing video turned on? At first I suspected my shared cable TV Internet service provider might be to blame for my outgoing video stream freezing on the other person's screen, but when I test my Internet speed, I regularly see 5.5 to 7 Mbits/sec download speed and 2.3 Mbits/sec upload speed. I am using a (new to me) FireWire 400 iSight webcam, which appears to be working perfectly, so now I am wondering, is it my G4 PowerBook that is too slow, or is it the upload speed of my ISP? What do the rest of you think? Is if my ISP, or my G4 PowerBook? I don't know if I can get faster upload speed from my ISP by switching to a more expensive Internet package, or if there are any DSL companies where I live that could equal, or surpass the speed of my current cable TV ISP plan, as I don't live in a big city with lots of different companies that are ISP's and I doubt we have any fiber optic cables within 100 miles of where I live. Thanks in advance for any ideas. AmigaDave dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on my 1.5GHz G4 MacMini dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on my 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's, plus MacOSX Ubuntu10.10 PPC on my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Skype
Your Skype will barley work OK on that 1.67 PB plus Tiger 10.4.11 is much faster than 10.5.8 for Skype. Be sure nothing else is running. Your ISP is fast enough. The Intel machines a much better for this, John Carmonne Placentia CA 92870 From iMac Core Duo 2.0 Thanks for the answer, but Skype works better than you think on my 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook. The incoming video is smooth and clear from the person I am calling, but on their end of the call, my video works for a little while, then it freezes. If I turn off sending my video to them and then restart it. my video will usually start playing again for another short while, then freeze again. I will try it from my dual 2.7GHz G5 soon. That should confirm if it is the computer, or the ISP provider, as the dual 2.7GHz G5 should be more than fast enough to run Skype. AmigaDave dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on my 1.5GHz G4 MacMini dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, and MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on my 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's, plus MacOSX Ubuntu10.10 PPC on my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Home movies won't import
1. I converted a 1:37 long home video VHS tape to DVD with my Sony DVD/VHS dubbing deck. 2. Tested perfect in my DVD player, or my computer's DVD player. 3. I then converted the DVD video to a m4v file on my desktop with Handbrake. (Last time I will ever use Handbrake on my G4 PowerBook for anything longer than 5 min.) 4. Tried to import into my Final Cut Pro v6 and got an error message (can't remember exact words). The m4v file plays fine through iTunes v10.6.1, or with Quicktime Player v7.7, but it will not import into my educational copy of Final Cut Studio 2 with it's included Final Cut Pro v6. Since the educational copy of Final Cut Studio 2 is supposed to be exactly the same as the full version, with the one exception that it can never be upgraded, I can't figure out why my file is not importing into Final Cut Pro v6. Any ideas? I am a complete Noob with Final Cut of any flavor, or any video editing program on the Mac, except a test video with iMovie, but I want to get started, so I purchased my Final Cut Studio 2 and now have about 1,200 pages of reading to do. Any help from users already familiar with Final Cut Pro would be appreciated. AmigaDave dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on my 1.5GHz G4 MacMini dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac and MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on my 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's, plus MacOSX Ubuntu10.10 PPC on my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Version Distribution
On Apr 26, 2012, at 5:42 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: This usage of 20% tells us why we are no longer important to Apple. Mac OS X Version Distribution OSX %USE NOTE 10.4 03.8 PPC --- 10.4.8 was first practical OS for Hackintoshes 10.5 16.4 PPC LAST OS FOR G5s 10.6 47.4 INTEL ONLY --- Some Hacks are still 10.6.x 10.7 30.4 --- Many Hacks were at 10.7.x within several days of its first availability 10.8 One out of every 5 Mac computers is still a huge number of computers and users. Too many to ignore, IMHO, but apparently Apple is so confident that they can force their users into upgrading to Intel powered computers, they do not care about the risk of upsetting this 20% of their users (actually less, as many of those people that own and use the PPC Mac computers, also already own and use an Intel powered Mac model as well). I still don't like Apple's decision to abandon PPC users so quickly and attempt to force us into upgrading to an Intel powered Mac computer, which also encouraged the third party software developers to also abandon PPC Mac users more quickly than they probably would have, if Apple's support of PPC had lingered just a little longer. Oh well, nothing we can do about it now. AmigaDave dual booting MacOSX10.5.8 MorphOS2.7 on my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac MDD (upgraded to dual 1.42GHz G4) and MacOSX10.5.8 MorphOS3.0 beta on 15-inch 17-inch 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's, plus only MacOSX10.5.8 on my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac AmigaOS4.1.5 on my PA Semi powered First Contact AmigaOne X1000 w/1.8GHz PA6T 1682M The Only Personal Computer in the World to use the PA6T -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iCloud vs. G4
On Apr 17, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Yes, on the one hand those old G4 Powerbooks were (and still are, I have a 15 one) wonderful, useful machines. If they meet your needs, they're great tools. On the other hand, they were THE primary reason that Apple was forced to move to Intel; they needed a powerful, energy-efficient laptop platform for their software, they were getting killed in that market segment, and neither Motorola or IBM were able to deliver. Yes, Motorola/Freescale IBM did take way too long to come up with a processor that could compete with the new Intel CPU's and I don't blame Apple for making the switch to Intel processors. The Intel CPU's are head and shoulders above anything else that is practical to use in any personal computer desktop, or laptop. But I am one of the crazy few that still believe in PPC and have gone so far as to purchase the first and only personal computer that contains a PA Semi PA6T 1682M dual core 1.8GHz PPC CPU in it. Yep, that is the company that Apple purchased and then almost immediately shut down, but before they did, PA Semi produced an unknown number of these PA6T 1682M processors which were used in some military applications and which a company called A-Eon and Varisys purchased to put into a brand new motherboard design, which was created solely for the purpose of running AmigaOS4.1.5. The computer is called an AmigaOne X1000. The rumors that Amiga was dead are greatly exaggerated. This PA6T could have been a very nice step up from the last 1.67GHz G4's, for the next PowerBook, had Apple not made the switch to Intel chips, but it was too little and too late, as the Intel Core2Duo at the same clock speed was still (as far as I know) a more powerful CPU than the PA6T, which is slower still than the newer i3, i5, i7 CPU's, so Apple definitely made the right choice. That does not mean that PPC computers are useless and it is a shame that Apple did not support their PPC computers at least another 2 to 5 years or so, as people should not have been forced to upgrade so quickly, when there computers are working perfectly for most tasks still. I use my G4 PowerBook as my main computer for all email and Internet browsing, as well as many other programs and games. I probably use it 4 to 6 hours a day, every day (mostly because I am partially disabled and confined to my bed). I know that Apple could have supported PPC models for a lot longer than they did and I strongly dislike the way they dropped support as soon as they did. In my mind it was disrespectful to their customers and I understand why many Apple customers might be very upset with Apple for their decisions. I am one of them, and it has made me consider switching to Linux. David W. Morris aka AmigaDave Dual booting MacOSX10.5.8 MorphOS2.7 on my dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MacOSX10.5.8 MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's, plus MacOSX10.5.8 Ubuntu10.10 PPC on my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iCloud vs. G4
Unbelievable! I have just about had it with Apple's policies of trying to make their hardware obsolete while it is still perfectly capable. I too use a pair of 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's (15-inch 17-inch models) daily for all of my email and Web browsing needs. Luckily for me I stopped using my .me/.mac account and which I almost considered as a replacement to my 20+ year old Earthlink.net email account my relatively new gmail account. I am very glad I did not choose to give up any of my other email accounts (specially the one I have had for about 20+ years). I am really sorry to hear about your problems, and I can't think of any way to resolve it, unless you could perhaps buy the cheapest new or used Intel MacMini that could download your email and if there would be some way that it could sync to your G4 PowerBook, even if you had to use some kind of third party file syncing utility program, if Apple's Sync can't do what you want. This would be a big inconvenience, specially when traveling, but MacMini's are easy to take with you and I believe that all of the Intel MacMini's came with wireless networking built-in. Good luck, someone here will probably have a better answer for you than mine. For my part, I think you are definitely sending your message to the right group, as this group is for all G3 through G5 computer questions or comments. David W. Morris aka AmigaDave Dual booting MacOSX10.5.8 MorphOS2.7 on my dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac, MacOSX10.5.8 MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's, plus MacOSX10.5.8 Ubuntu10.10 PPC on my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac. On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:20 PM, oneoftheharts wrote: I don't post very often and when I do I seem to be told that I posted to the wrong group. Maybe if this is the case again, someone can kindly direct me to the right list. FYI, I've been around since the Quadlist helped me with my Centris 610... For those who don't have a .mac account and wonder what is the problem, after June 30, these accounts will only work on newer iPhones/ iPads/iPods, Macs that run Lion, and PCs that run Windows Vista or Windows 7. I have a G4 Powerbook. I had to upgrade my phone so I got an iPhone, and it now syncs to the iCloud. But I want to continue to access my email from my computer (imagine that). Has anyone with a G4 been able to sync their .mac email account since this change began to occur? Supposedly we have to convert by June 30, but as of April 9 I have gotten this prompt: The .Mac server “mail.mac.com” rejected the password for user (my username)... and I can't log in. I can't log in from Mail and I can't log in from the .me/.mac links (web-based) either. They are forcing me to either buy a newer computer or give up my .mac email address that I've had since the first day they were available. Incidentally, my login info still works from my iPhone, such as when I DL iTunes, apps, etc. I've chatted with technical support, and they say there's no way... Thanks so much for your help, Claire Hart -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Oil Cooling
On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: I'm considering oil-cooling my DP 2.5 PMG5. This would involve putting the computer (sans ports, hdd, cd) in a tub of mineral oil. It doesn't conduct electricity, and as such would be perfect for this use. It has been done many times with PCs; does anyone know anything that may keep the G5 from working optimally? -- -- Illirik Smirnov Sounds like a radical cooling solution. I would love to see a picture of it setup and working with this oil-cooling and text explaining all changes that were required to set it up. I own a dual 2.7GHz G5 and partially working dual 2.5GHz G5 that both have liquid cooling pumps from Apple, so I would be very interested in what ever you do to modify the cooling on your DP 2.5GHz PowerMac G5. Sorry I don't have any advice for you, but if this method works for PC's, I don't see why it would not work for the G5. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 USB external hd will not start up 10.5
On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:07 PM, JohnCarmonne wrote: PPC will not boot a GUID HDD AFAIK. You're correct, the partition map needs to be Apple Partition Map which CAN boot both Intel PPC Macs. Might this correct a WD Passport external hard drive so it could work on both an Intel and G4 Mac's, if I put it on the Intel Mac and reformat with an Apple Partition Map? I have never been able to use my WD Passport external USB hard drive with any of my G4 G5 Mac's. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need 2 things via PB G4 and OS Lion directory help
On Mar 10, 2012, at 2:17 PM, DLC wrote: Any way to make the iMac give up copying harmlessly? Any thoughts on either would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Dana Force Quit -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: AGP Video Card Selection
On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Would someone suggest a good agp video card, available today, that I can use in my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8? I want to purchase a Samsung 22 HDTV for use as a monitor, and it requires HDMI input. Perhaps a video card with a DVI connector, as I have an extra DVI to HDMI adapter. I guess the key phrase is available today ... not sure about where they are being sold these days, reasonably priced, for a G4. I currently have a Geforce 4MX in my Quicksilver, and an ATI Radeon 9800Pro in my DA Dual 533 (its DVI to HDMI is being used with a Sony Bravia from time to time). Another ATI Radeon 9800Pro is probably too much of a card for what I will be using it for ... I'm not a gamer. Thanks. Another option (instead of the FireGL X3 that I suggested in another email) that is fast, has a DVI output and you might be able to find, is a used ATI Radeon 8500, but not the LE version. The LE version is as slow as the 9100. If you check old benchmarks, the 8500 was faster than many of the Radeon video cards that were released after it. I am in the process of having a 128mb VRAM version of a PC ATI Radeon 8500 converted to use in my dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD. In fact I packed it today and will be sending it to the guy for re-flashing it tomorrow. I can't remember what I paid for it on eBay, as I bought it many months ago. Unfortunately, the Mac bios will only recognize 64mb of the available 128mb of VRAM, but I am searching the Web tonight and the next couple of days hoping to find someone who has figured out a way to get all 128mb of VRAM recognized when used in a G4 Mac computer. I hope that I will find a modified Mac bios for this card that can use all 128mb of VRAM. Good luck, David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: AGP Video Card Selection
On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Would someone suggest a good agp video card, available today, that I can use in my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8? I want to purchase a Samsung 22 HDTV for use as a monitor, and it requires HDMI input. Perhaps a video card with a DVI connector, as I have an extra DVI to HDMI adapter. I guess the key phrase is available today ... not sure about where they are being sold these days, reasonably priced, for a G4. I currently have a Geforce 4MX in my Quicksilver, and an ATI Radeon 9800Pro in my DA Dual 533 (its DVI to HDMI is being used with a Sony Bravia from time to time). Another ATI Radeon 9800Pro is probably too much of a card for what I will be using it for ... I'm not a gamer. Thanks. The ATI Radeon FireGL X3 is a 16 pipeline 8xAGP 256mb video card that can be purchased for cheap as a PC version on eBay. Unfortunately, not all of the cheap PC cards on eBay can be successfully converted for use in a Mac. There is a reseller on eBay that is doing the conversions, plus he puts them through a 4 to 7 day torture test, to make sure that they are not going to fail after he sells them. He charges about $170 to $180 for them, I can't remember the exact amount. You have to modify the pins on the card by covering 2 or 3 of them with tape, as the AGP slot in your QuickSilver Mac is not standard electrically, when compared to PC 4xAGP slots, as Apple used a few pins for ADC power that were outside of the standard 4xAGP specification, so the later 8xAGP cards would not work in the Mac slots without having a few pins taped to prevent damage to the video card, and possibly the computer as well. It is all well documented, if you do some searching. Try themacelite to find more information. If you are interested in the eBay seller who is doing the conversions and can't find him, send me a private email and I will look back through my saved emails to see if I can find him. He is a video card expert and converts and sells many different cards for use in Macs. The FireGL X3 is one of my personal favorites, and I am getting one for my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac, so it needs no modification of the AGP card edge pins. David aka AmigaDave dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on my dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, dual booting MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's 15 17 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD motherboards
On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Wayne Stewart wrote: You can easily swap CPU modules between MDDs with the same bus speed. You can also do it between MDDs with different bus speeds but you need to do some resistor mods to get the best results or in some cases to work at all Taking out a dual 1.25 and replacing it with a single 1.25 is just plug and play Your dual 1.25 will have a 2mb cache while the single will have a 1mb so a dual running on one processor should still be faster than a single. Let me throw a bizarre idea out there that no one else would likely ever want to do. The dual processors clock speeds are individually set. Why not set the unused processors clock speed to the lowest possible speed. I think that would be 333mhz Thanks for that great reply Wayne! I was beginning to believe that it could not be done. That there was some reason that prevented swapping the single G4 CPU module for use on the dual G4 motherboard. Now, another question is will the dual G4 CPU module work on the single G4 motherboard? As I am trying to trade G4 CPU modules with an owner of a single 1.25GHz G4 MDD PowerMac, it won't be a good trade if he can't use my dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU module. Your idea of changing the clock speed of the unused G4 to its slowest speed (333MHz), is an interesting option and might be less work and trouble. My only concern there is the possibility of messing up my perfectly working motherboard by having two different speeds running on these G4 CPU's. I would be willing to bet no one has tried it before, so no one would know what side effects it might cause. If it is a simple matter of removing, or reconfiguring some resistors on the CPU module to slow down just one of the two G4's, I could try it on the dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU module and keep my dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU model untouched, in case anything went wrong. Anyone else have any comments on this crazy idea? See my original post on this topic for details of what I am trying to do. Thanks David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD motherboards
On Mar 9, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Jörg Duurkoop wrote: Hi, Your dual 1.25 will have a 2mb cache while the single will have a 1mb so a dual running on one processor should still be faster than a single. Why not just install CHUD, a toolbox for developers? Then you can switch on and off one of the CPUs with a mouse click ... This option has been discussed here and I did it. It works great. When I listen to music, watch a DVD or leave my Mac on at night to download big files I switch it to single CPU mode. When I need all the power I can get, browsing on the net or using Adobe apps, I turn on the second CPU. Works like a charm, de difference in temperature can be up to 16 centigrades. Downgrading a dual MDD would not be very wise IMHO. Regards, Jörg. Your solution would work if I were still going to run MacOSX on this G4 PowerMac MDD system, but I am not. If you had read my original message more closely, you would have seen that I will only be running MorphOS2.7 on this computer from now on. MorphOS2.7 is not SMP capable, so there is no need for the second G4 CPU. The CHUD program you wrote about is for MacOS only, unless it is some kind of Open Firmware program. I could only use it if it can be run from the Open Firmware prompt, before I boot into MorphOS2.7. Thanks for the response anyway. David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MDD motherboards
Since all the smart people hang out on this list, having kept their G3 to G5 Mac computers, I thought this would be the best place to ask for help with this question I own a dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac MDD (FW400, not FW800), that I have upgraded to a stock Apple dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU module. My question is this: Since I now have two dual G4 CPU modules (dual 1.25GHz dual 1.42GHz G4's), I want to trade my dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU module for a single 1.25GHz G4 CPU module, to a friend of mine that owns a single 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac MDD. Then I want to look into the possibility of over-clocking the single 1.25GHz to 1.33GHz, 1.5GHz, or if possible, 1.67GHz. Are all G4 CPU modules for the G4 PowerMac MDD computers interchangeable (including single and dual G4 models), or in other words, are all of the motherboards (except the FW 800 model) the same? Here are the reasons for this strange question; 1. The G4 PowerMac MDD is a very noisy computer 2. To make it quieter, the fan must be replaced with a quieter version, which is going to push less CFM's. 3. If I am going to use this G4 MDD to run an OS that is not SMP capable, I don't need the 2nd G4 CPU one way to reduce heat, would be to use only one G4 CPU. 4. The single G4 CPU will be okay with the lower CFM's of the quieter fan. 5. Using only one G4 CPU will give me greater flexibility to attempt over-clocking, while still producing less heat than the dual G4 CPU modules. Since I have many other G4 and G5 Mac computers to run MacOSX and MacOS9 on, repurposing this one Mac for running only an alternative OS won't hurt my ability to run MacOSX MacOS9 whenever I need/want to. Thanks to anyone here that might be able to answer this strange question. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
re-flashing video cards for use in Mac computers
Does anyone have any experience in flashing a PC video card with the AGP slot connection for use in a G4 PowerMac (or G5 PowerMac), by installing it into the Mac and using a remote desktop program to display the screen on a different computer, so the re-flashing process can be run on the Mac while it has no working video card display? Sounds like a crazy idea, I know. But if a person doesn't have a Windows PC with an AGP slot any longer, and doesn't have a PCI video card that works on a Mac, what are the other options available? I have a 128mb VRAM Windows version of the ATI Radeon 8500, that I want to use in my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, which I have upgraded to stock Apple dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU module. David dual booting MorphOS2.7 MacOSX10.5.8 on my 1.5GHz G4 MacMini and my dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, and MorphOS3.0 beta MacOSX10.5.8 of 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: water in the laptop....
I dropped my cell phone into a swimming pool once about 5 6 years ago, and it took me a few minutes to fish it out. It was still on, so I turned it off and removed the battery. I placed it in the oven and set the temperature to 100 degrees (or maybe it was 120 degrees) for about 1 or 2 hours and then let it cool down. The battery was shot (I did not put the battery into the Oven), but with a new battery the phone continued to work perfectly for another several years until it was retired. It is still working today, but I no longer use that service provider, as Verizon has just gotten too expensive compared to the other choices available today, or I could still be using that 5, or 6 year old cell phone. Insert your open laptop into the Oven at low temperature at your own risk, but hopefully, after you have dried it out thoroughly, it will come to life again. You might need to replace the battery. On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 20, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: My daughter spilled some water into her Mac laptop. What should she do now to dry things out? The Mac did not shut-down after the accident, but her screen went haywire. The Mac is presently turned offin a keyboard down position with a fan blowing on it. Remove the battery, or if it's a non-removable battery style, take the bottom off and unplug the battery. If it was just water, then you're in luck since once it's dried out it should still work. Let it continue drying like that, and then put it in an airtight plastic container or plastic bag with some dessicant like Dririte http://www.drierite.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux on MacPro
I thought this was the G3-G5 List? Why are we discussing slackware for an Intel powered MacPro? I can understand discussing Intel Mac's, if you are making recommendations about which used Mac computers to consider buying, compared to the performance available on a G4 or G5 PowerMac, but I could not even find a PPC version of slackware during my quick look at their site. Can we try to keep the discussion here focused on Mac computers with G series CPU's? I don't mind going a little off topic once in a while, but would prefer that this group mainly discuss PPC Mac's, which is where my interest lies. On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Jesse wrote: I would consider slackware www.slackware.com It is imho the best distro. Period. And worth a try, on your setup. They also have a 64-bit branch called slamd64 added to the tree here in the last few years. Not only is it highly used by nerds, its highly configurably, and only as complex as you want it. The user base is highly experienced as well. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Dual quick fan noise fix
On Feb 16, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Wayne Stewart wrote: Another possible option for people running OSX on a dual PPC is using the CHUD utilities 3.5.2 to turn on nap mode. Some people have had problems with it but it works great for me. On my G4 dual overclocked to 1.5 ghz the CPU idle temp went from 57C to 35C and of course the fans slowed down. Wayne How does CHUD work? Does it shut down one of the G4's when it is not needed and then wake it up when you are doing something more demanding, or something that can take advantage of multiple cores, or G4 CPU's? I have seen it mentioned a few times, but don't really know what it is, or how it works. It would not work or be helpful to me while running MorphOS2.7, which can only use one of the dual G4 CPU's, unless it is a utility that can be run and stay resident through a soft re-boot, into a different operating system. It would be great to be able to shut down one of the two G4 CPU's to reduce heat when running MorphOS2.7 and then turn both G4's back on when I boot into MacOSX, MacOS9, or any version of Linux PPC. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 + Tiger: iTune 9?
On Feb 14, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 14, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Gene Henley wrote: I have a G3,350 Mhz with no fire wire. It has 9.2.2 What is max HDD it will accept? How much ram? The disk drive is read only. Will it accept a CD RW or DVD RW? I want to make this a Panther or Tiger with Classic capabilities,or dual boot. OS 9 or OSX. Is this doable? You've made an error with the description. All the 350MHz iMacs had Firewire ports. The fastest iMac without a Firewire port was the 333MHz, which is what I assume you have? I don't see the name iMac in his description? Could it be that he is describing a G3 PowerMac, instead of an iMac? Too lazy to check if the 350MHz G3 PowerMac came with a FireWire port, but more knowledgeable Mac users here on this list will know that answer off the top of their head without having to even look it up. David aka AmigaDave dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, plus dual booting MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks. Main desktop computer is dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac running MacOSX Leopard (waiting for a port of MorphOS someday) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: new to the MAC universe.
On Feb 3, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: No they meant dual-processor. There were no dual-core PowerPC cpus ever used in Macs. This one may have had it's cpu board replaced. Bruce Johnson You are forgetting the last generation dual core G5 PowerMac's, starting with the 2.3GHz G5 and also the final Dual Core, dual G5 (for quad cores) 2.5GHz PowerMac. But you are right that there are no Dual Core G4 PowerMac's. David Dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, plus dual booting MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1`.67GHz G4 PowerBooks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Webcam for Mac
Can anyone tell me how the performance of a typical webcam is on a 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook? I gave my 2.66GHz Core2Duo MacBook to my Son when he started college and moved backward to all of my G4 G5 Mac's, so I don't currently have any computers with a built-in webcams (not that I used the one in my MacBook before I gave it to my Son, but I would like to start using one now that my Grandson has started emailing me from his old Windows laptop. I need to check to see if his Hand-Me-Down Windows laptop is capable of using a webcam so he can video chat with me too. Thanks, David Dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, plus dual booting MacOSX MorphOS3.0 on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 PowerBook can't boot from Tiger Install DVD
After upgrading one of my G4 PowerBook's to a WD 320gb PATA hard drive, it will no longer boot using my Tiger Install DVD. I first thought the hard drive was bad (brand new drive), then I thought I had made a mistake in taking apart and putting back together my PowerBook. Eventually I took out the drive and re-installed my old hard drive and the PowerBook ran fine again. I am embarrassed to say that thinking I had killed my nice G4 PowerBook during the upgrade attempt, I purchased a replacement (because I was demonstrating MorphOS3.0 beta at a computer show and had to have a working G4 PowerBook that week) before I figured out that my first G4 PowerBook was okay when I put the original hard drive back into it. So now I have two 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's and I put the 320gb hard drive into the second G4 PowerBook and find out that it also won't boot from the Tiger Install DVD. I bought a retail Leopard Install DVD and it will boot from that, but for some reason it still won't boot from the Tiger Install DVD. So you ask, why bother with the Tiger Install DVD if I have the Leopard Install DVD. Well, the Leopard Install DVD's Disk Utility will not allow you to create partitions less than 1gb and to set up a dual boot MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta system you need at least 3 partitions and one of those partitions only needs to be about 60mb and I hate wasting 1gb of space for a partition that only needs less than 60mb of file space. Sorry for such a long explanation, but do any of you have any idea why a G4 PowerBook will not boot from the Tiger Install DVD when it has a 320gb hard drive is installed inside of it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 quad
Liquid cooled G5's sometimes leak and the liquid is corrosive to the case and the motherboard. It could be that the system you are looking at buying had that problem some time in the past and the owner took components out of one G5 and put them into the clean case of another G5. Buyer Beware! Make sure you are getting what you are paying for and ask the seller why they do not match. AmigaDave Dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac, plus dual booting MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks and dual booting MacOSX Ubuntu10.10 PPC on a dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac On Jan 14, 2012, at 8:23 AM, JohnV wrote: Any reason why a late 2005 G5 quad would show a different serial number on the side label vs the system profile info screen? I'm looking to buy. John V -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ie 5.0
Many web browsers have the ability to spoof as different browsers. Maybe your web browser can spoof as ie 5.0? Sounds very strange that an employment form would only allow one browser to work in order to fill out the form? Even stranger that it would only work with a specific version of that browser. Have you tried to fill out the form with a different browser, or version of ie? On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:55 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: The oklahoma employment security commission insists on using only ie 5.0 to file for unemployment. Of course the link they proved only offers 8 or 9. I did find a 5.2 version but it is unstable and either hangs up or crashes. Anyone still have 5.0 easy to find? In the mean time... I'm going to dig out my Mac Addict cds and see if I have a copy there. 2 people need to file asap. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:50 AM, schaf...@comcast.net wrote: If Dave sounds like he's trying to sell you on the OS it's because he's a believer. Trust me, there's NO money to be made on the Amiga side of things. Just folks who think we were cheated out of a good OS years ago. So as an owner of a G3, a G4, and a G5, I'm interested in hearing about it. In that spirit: Dave, is there a modern browser available for MorphOS? hint: keep your answer short. ;^) - Peter I don't want to start dissension on this list. Peter, yes, there is an excellent web browser based on Webkit called Odyssey at version 1.16. Please contact me off list if you want to discuss this topic further. David Dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini Dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, plus dual booting MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks, and MacOSX Ubuntu PPC v10.10 on a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
I am not a part of the group of guys that develop MorphOS2.7 and I get no compensation for promoting it. The team of guys only make enough money from registrations for a bit of Pizza and Beers once in a while. Hardly what could be compared to most any commercial product. On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Eric Hall wrote: Advertising commercial products on the list in in extremely bad taste. If it was up to me, you would be outta here. And make no mistake - that is exactly what is going on here, folks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: This list is the G3-5 List. It is usable software agnostic. Since MOST people on the list run Mac OS, that is what the main knowledge base is. There are other lists with more knowledgable *nix people on them. That being said, *nix talk is allowed, but remember, most people on the list don't have a lot of knowledge or interest there. Just remember, this is not the Swap List. Len Gerstel List Nanny That is good to know. I am just trying to be a good list member and not step on anyone's toes here, so that is why I am being careful with any discussions about alternative OSes for these G4 Mac models. I'll try to keep this as brief as possible, with respect to others on the list that have no interest in using an alternative OS on their G4 Mac computers, after all MacOSX is the best OS available on any hardware. ;-) The alternative OS that I am a strong supporter of is called MorphOS and is currently at version 2.7. It is based on a micro-kernel called Quark and is tightly coded to make it extremely fast and efficient. It has been dubbed The Lightning OS by many reviewers, and if it is setup as the primary OS on a G4 Mac computer, it can reboot in less than 10 seconds to a fully functional desktop environment. MorphOS3.0 is late and should be released any day now. It has been developed by a small group of mostly European members who are all former Amiga users who wanted to create a modern Amiga replacement operating system that would run on PowerPC CPU's. The last and highest performing Amiga hardware was created by a third party company named Phase5. They made a few different models of accelerators for Commodore Amiga computers that had both a Motorola 68040, or 68060 (remember when Mac's only had Motorola 680x0 CPU's?) and a 603, or 604e PowerPC CPU. The accelerator came with a modified OS that could run certain software on the PowerPC CPU, but would then task switch back to the Motorola 680x0 CPU to run the rest of the Amiga software. It was a clunky solution and came too late, as Commodore was already on the ropes and about to go bankrupt, but still development continued long after Commodore died and these people from Phase5, along with many other Amiga users/developers that would not let the platform die, began the MorphOS project. It was first hoped that the new owner of the Amiga IP would buy their work and it would have become the new AmigaOS, which would have been version 4 (as the official AmigaOS ended at version 3.9). It was not to be and another company won the negotiations to write AmigaOS4.x and we now have competing products in the Amiga community. Enough on the history lesson. All you need to know about it is that MorphOS has been under development for over 10 years now and has become a very polished and efficient operating system, but it still lacks in sheer numbers of developers and native software, even though it can run most of the thousands of software titles that were originally written for the Amiga line of computers through a JIT (Just- In-Time) 680x0 to PPC translator that is built into the MorphOS operating system. The only Amiga software that does not run without an emulator on MorphOS, is mostly games and a few other applications that do not follow the system guidelines and hit the old Amiga custom chipset directly, as these custom chips do not exist in the computers (like G4 Mac's) that are supported today by MorphOS. MorphOS is not intended as a replacement for MacOSX (except perhaps for only the most hardcore old time Amiga users). It is what is commonly referred to as a Hobby OS that a few thousand users and developers enjoy using and mostly only has interest for people that were former users of the Amiga line of computers, or others that just enjoy exploring alternative operating systems and software, like the nix users. This list is a perfect place to promote MorphOS, because it is made up of people that appreciate older PowerPC hardware and because over the last few years the MorphOS Development Team has ported MorphOS to several G4 Mac computer models, such as: All G4 MacMini's 1.25GHz 1.42GHz G4 eMac's All G4 PowerMac's with AGP video card slots that are 500MHz or faster (might even work on 400MHz faster models) When MorphOS3.0 is released (any day now) it will also support 4 models of the G4 PowerBook and will be the first portable MorphOS compatible systems (big deal for us). The models that will be supported are model 1107, 1109, 1138 1139, which are all 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks in 15 and 17 sizes. None of the 12 G4 PowerBooks are to be supported with the MorphOS3.0 release due to unsupported video cards used in the 12 models. MorphOS only supports Radeon video cards in G4 Mac models, so if you have an older G4 PowerMac that has a different AGP video card,
Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:13 AM, Christopher Clarke wrote: Add me to the list of members who are getting tired to this guy trying to sell us on an OS thats (1) Commercial and (2) Craptacular. I did not see my message make it to the list, but it apparently has. Don't worry, I am done advertising now that I have answered for those members who ARE interested. As I said, it is not for everyone, but several members asked and several are interested. Now that they are aware of it, I will not need to bring up the topic again. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Don't Landfill old Mac's
Happy New Year all G-List members. I know that almost all of you would never throw away a good working G4 Mac, as we on this list know that they are still very useful computers. For those here that might be having trouble thinking of what to do with any of the Mac models listed below, if you can't find anyone who is interested in giving them a good home, please contact me and I will find someone who will really appreciate them and put them to good use. The models that meet the requirements of this alternative use are as follows: All G4 MacMini models Any 1.25GHz 1.42GHz G4 eMac models All G4 PowerMac models which came from Apple with a 500MHz G4 or faster (single or dual G4 CPU's included) All 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks Granted most of the above models are too good to just give away, but sadly many computer users who can't find an easy way to sell, or give away an old computer that they no longer are using are putting them in the trash, or sending them to recycle centers. My alternative is better, so please contact me if you want to get rid of any of the above models and I will see that they get donated to the right people who would love to use them still. I make no money on this and it usually costs me up to a couple of hundred dollars a quarter, or more, to help these people out. Thanks for reading, David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
On Jan 6, 2012, at 6:47 AM, John Ruschmeyer wrote: Any possibility of sharing some details of your alternative use? I think I speak for a lot of people who would be interested in hearing how to get continued mileage out of our PPC systems and/or help our own local communities. Perhaps we can all share ideas. One thing I'm also a bit curious about. You mention only wanting the last iteration of the PowerBook G4 as well as late versions of the eMac with no mention of the G4 iMac and a willingness to take pretty much any PowerMac G4 (500mhz and above pretty much only excludes the Yikes! and the early Sawtooth models). What gives with that? Are you sitting on a pile of CPU upgrades for AGP G4's? Genuinely curious... JR Hello JR, I am not sure I can share the alternative use here on this list, as it involves running an alternative OS, not an Apple MacOS. Since I am relatively new here and have already made a few mistakes in posting messages, I am trying to be careful not to violate any more rules and risk getting kicked off the list. If you wish to find out more, and if anyone else wishes the same, all of you are encouraged to contact me Off List using my private email address. As for your question regarding which models I am interested in, only certain models have been supported by the team writing this alternative OS for certain models of PPC Mac computers. The task of supporting any Mac hardware is a bit difficult, as no documentation exists for third parties to write drivers for, so they are a bit more difficult to support than a generic PC. It has to do with what hardware is inside the supported models. Now that Apple has switched to Intel CPU's and more industry standard components, the newer computers are probably easier to write alternative OSes for, but the Team writing the alternative OS I am interested in has not yet made the switch from PPC to x86, and may not do so for a few more years (if ever). I would really like to hear from as many owners of G4 Mac's as possible and share my info with them, so please do not hesitate in contacting me. David aka AmigaDave Dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini Dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, plus MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks and MacOSX Ubuntu PPC 10.10 on a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
That is true. I was lucky enough to find several dual 1.25GHz G4 MDD PowerMac's for about $35 each from a studio that had not used them in almost a year as they had already upgraded to Intel Mac's. On Jan 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: The faster dual processors are pretty expensive on ebay. Also, it might be worth finding a cheap power supply for, though sometimes those are as expensive as the whole computer. I imagine the parts especially processor board must still be worth hanging on to? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 fro G4 MDD
I moved a hard drive from a 233MHz G3 iMac into one of the extra hdd spots in my G4 MDD and was surprised that it booted MacOS9.2.2 on such a different computer. I don't understand your statement below when you write drop in the ROM and you're good to go. I can understand dragging the system folder to a different drive, if the drive has been prepped to be a boot device (don't know what TDM stands for), but can you explain what you mean when you say drop in the ROM? Thanks, David Dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini Dual 1.42GHz G4 MDD PowerMac, Dual booting MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks, Dual booting MacOSX Ubuntu PPC v10.10 on my Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac On Jan 6, 2012, at 6:22 AM, John Carmonne wrote: You only need the OS ROM to make OS9.2.2 boot on your PM G4 MDD. If you have a working OS9.2.2 on any other machine just drag the system and application folder to the drive via TDM or other method and the drop in the ROM and you're good to go. No installation is nessesary. I can help you off list if you want. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firefox
Give up on playing Flash and use HTML5 instead. You just need to set up the HTML5 trial at YouTube to use that instead of flash to see most of their videos. Flash is on it's way out. On Jan 6, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Mel wrote: How does one enable plugins on TFF so that flash will work? Mel -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 fro G4 MDD
On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:38 PM, rtows...@aol.com wrote: Believe that MDD will not boot to OS9.2.2 but will run it in Classic. Here's a link worth looking at for MDD 9.2.2 http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-system-922-1021-power-macintosh-g4-mirrored-drive-doors-mdd HTH, BobT No, that is incorrect. The only MDD that won't boot into MacOS9.2.2 are the FireWire 800 models, which was the last models of the MDD that were made. My Dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, which I have upgraded to Dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU card can boot into MacOS9.2.2 just fine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How do I remove an OS from a computer?
Follow Tina's instructions and you should not have any problems. Another easy solution is to remove the hard drive and keep it for yourself and sell the system without any hard drive. This is done often by many sellers. Happy New Year! David aka AmigaDave Dual booting MacOSX MorphOS2.7 on 1.42GHz G4 MDD PowerMac 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, plus MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks (15 17), and MacOSX Linux on Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac, waiting for MorphOS3.x later this year or next. On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:40 PM, cheryl wrote: I'm not savvy about any of this, so if I sound like an idiot, that is why. The two machines I have I bought used with the operating systems already installed and no disks and I have never had to clear a computer, hard drive, whatever in order to sell it. I read somewhere that if I sell a used computer I am supposed to remove the OS before I do. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.4 or 10.5 for a G4
I would think that running 10.5 at 350MHz would be painfully slow, as it is not what I would call Fast on my Dual 1.42GHz G4 MDD PowerMac. Although lacking in shear numbers of available software written for it at this time, you might want to take a look at the OS mentioned in my signature on your 350MHz G4 to see what a small footprint, and efficient OS looks like in comparison to 10.4 or 10.5. AmigaDave Running MacOSX MorphOS2.7 dual booting on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini Dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac, MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks, plus MacOSX ( waiting for MorphOS3.?) on Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Neal wrote: It runs at 350 MHz Bruce replied: 10.5 should run ok on that system. You'd need Leopard Assist or some way to overcome the 866 MHz limitation of Leopard. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver optic drive
Hold down the mouse button while booting should open the optical drive tray. On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:25 PM, Roger Faulkner wrote: m8493 drive won't open. HD wiped and went to install new OS. Pro, Chicklet and Mcally keyboards all fail to open drive. No paper clip access. Ideas? Thanks -RF -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Analog video input?
hard disk PVR??? On Dec 16, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Martin N wrote: TBH i just record the tape on my hard disk PVR and transfer to DVD. Stick the DVD in your mac and get editing. Martin N -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Analog video input?
I already have an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro All-In-Wonder 128mb VRAM AGP video card, but it is for a PC with only Windows bios drivers. I was hoping that I could re-flash it to use in one of my PowerMac's, but have not yet figured out which bios to use yet, or how to re-flash it without having a Windows PC that has an AGP video slot. Someone suggested that I could do it by installing it into my MDD G4 PowerMac, or G5 PowerMac and booting it with a remote desktop application as a Startup program, so I could control the re-flashing from another computer where I could see the desktop display, as the Mac with the All-In-Wonder installed in it would not show any display until the re- flashing was completed and the computer re-booted. If I can get the All-In-Wonder working on my G5 PowerMac, that would be the best way for me to import my video, as I would not have to buy any new (used) hardware to get my tapes imported. It would also be nice to be able to use the TV tuner functions of this card from MacOSX, but I don't know if this is possible, as there may not be any drivers for it on the Mac side. This will be my first attempt at re- flashing any video cards for use in a Mac. On Dec 16, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Rodney Smith wrote: I just ran across an ATI all-in-wonder 128 PCI graphics card that I plan on putting in my G4 MDD. It has S-video, composite video and TV tuner capabilities. These may be hard to find because they came in 16MB and 32MB video ram amounts. I would try ebay. Like you I have a bunch of old videos lying about that I want to transfer to digital format. Good Luck, R. W. Smith -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Analog video input?
I can get a EasyCAP device for as little as $6.30, but it comes with software only for Windows PC's. I wonder if it would be recognized by Apple's iMovie, or iDVD software, or Toast 9 Titanium? It is cheap enough to risk buying and trying it out. I wonder how it could compare to a similar device that costs 15 times as much? Some times you get what you pay for, some times you get lucky and find something that is just as good, at a drastically lower price, and sometimes you get screwed when buying the higher priced item. It is hard to tell which will happen, which is why reading reviews online is such a great advantage of these times we live in. Still, I would prefer to get my All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro working in either of my PowerMac's and use it as an input device, instead of buying any new devices. canopus' ADVC300 worked great for me, external processing power and nice bridge between a VCR and my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz. a bit expensive ... but u get what u pay 4 ... http://www.grassvalley.com/products/advc300 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 68 pin vs. 50 pin SCSI HD?
All SCSI-II and SCSI-III wide drives are supposed to be backward compatible, but may require a jumper to be set differently. I have several adapters that convert the 80pin SCA drives to be able to use both the 50pin, or 68pin cables. With SCSI, the slowest drive, or device on the chain (cable) determines the maximum speed that the chain can run at, so if you have slower SCSI-II, or SCSI-III wide drives on a cable that also has a SCSI-I 50pin device, the faster device will be slowed down to the max. speed of the slower device. I have an over-clocked Amiga A4000 that can no longer use it's SCSI controller, because of timing issues. But I have another RAM expansion board that has a fast SCSI-II controller that I can use instead of the SCSI controller on the Amiga accelerator, so I am happier to keep the accelerator over-clocked at 60% faster operation and give up the accelerator's built-in SCSI controller. SCSI has much less CPU overhead than IDE, which can make direct speed comparisons misleading, as all good operating systems are now Multi- tasking, Multi-threaded, so when copying large files, or loading them to RAM to run while also doing other things on your computer, using a SCSI drive will allow a great deal more CPU resources for the other tasks, where an IDE drive will not. As most computers are far more powerful today than is needed for most software, this is not an issue often. Back in the days of 30MHz CPU's instead of 3.0GHz CPU's with multiple cores, using a SCSI drive could make more of a difference. At least on an Amiga, which was one of the first popular home computers that pioneered Multi-tasking. I remember impressing Windows users by formatting up to 4 floppy disks at the same time while playing a 4 voice music mod and using a high color paint program all at the same time on a 7MHz computer that reacted faster than their 286 systems running at 16MHz or 20MHz. Ahhh, the good old days! SCSI was a great interface in it's day. On Dec 10, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Barry Levine wrote: Hi One of the 8GB SCSI HD's on my 8600 G3 is failing. Checking around eBay, I see 68 pin SCSI HD's for sale; and one can purchase an adapter to go to the mac 50 pin cable. I also noticed that there are many larger size 68 pin scsi HD's around than the 50 pin - are these 68 pin drives a bit more recent than the 50 pin ones, and are they usable in my mac with the adapter? thanks Barry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 6 Messages in 3 Topics
On Dec 8, 2011, at 6:40 AM, Nick Adams wrote: I have the same problem with my G4 MDD: OS 10.58 1.42 GHz. 2 GB ram USB 3 PCI card Sonnet SATA card with two 1.5 TB drives 350 GB hard drive on the ATA bus where the OS 10.58 is installed. Nice specs for a G4 MDD PowerMac Nick. I might get a SATA PCI card some time in the future so I can use larger, newer drives, but only if the SATA card is also supported by my MorphOS2.7 installation. The G4 PowerMac MDD was such a great case design, but is noisy with the stock fans. It was a powerhouse for Apple for a long time and was improved over the largest range of clock speeds, more than any other CPU that I can think of. I think it was a much better case design than the later G5 PowerMac's, with room for more drives and easier to work on. My dual 2.7GHz G5 gets used most for running MacOSX, but the dual 1.42GHz G4 is more fun, since it can also run MorphOS2.7. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PPC Flash Player UPDATE NEWS
On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Isn't it a shame about Adobe's non-support of so many PPC folks ... doesn't make any sense to me. I doubt there are enough PPC desktop/laptop users world wide to make Adobe think twice about abandoning support for them. But I agree that it is a shame. I suggest everyone just switch to using HTML5 for video content on websites and forget about flash. If you are hooked on flash games, well then I feel sorry for you. AmigaDave Running MorphOS2.7 MacOSX10.5.8 Ubuntu PPC 10.10 on Dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, plus just 10.5.8 on Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac (waiting for MorphOS3.x support) and MorphOS3.0 beta MacOSX10.5.8 on both 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Rolling Back to Panther OSX
If you plan to re-partition your existing hard drive, instead of adding a second hard drive to install another version of any OS on to, you need the Leopard 10.5 install DVD. The Panther and Tiger install CD/DVD's Disk Utility does not allow re-partitioning a hard drive without reformatting, or otherwise wiping out all data on the hard drive, but Leopard can resize partitions without destroying the data and can preserve your existing Tiger install. Hope this helps, AmigaDave Running MorphOS2.7 on Dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac, 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, MorphOS3.0 beta on 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's MacOSX10.5.8 on a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Avid_Fan wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. Dual booting had not occurred to me. That would probably be best I think. Here is the scenario: I have Tiger installed on my first HDD (60GB), This came preloaded and I have no discs. I now have the original G4 MDD install discs that revert me to Panther. Can i preserve what I have and partition and install Panther or will I have to start from scratch and need a copy of 10.4? Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Rolling Back to Panther OSX
On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm running Leopard 10.5.8 on my Macs, but I also have Tiger 10.4.11 on another partition. When I do audio work, I use Tiger since my M- Audio 2496 PCI card only seems to function up to but not including Leopard. Maybe you could do a similar thing for your Panther application? But you would already need another partition for Panther ... maybe add another SATA drive? My Dual 1.25GHz G4 MDD PowerMac arrived from the eBay seller with MacOSX10.2.1 and MacOS9.2.2 installed on the same partition, which I thought was strange, but it worked. I later installed 10.5.8 on a separate partition and MorphOS2.7 on yet another partition. When using the boot with the Option key depressed function to get to the boot selector screen, it would not show the MacOS9.2.2 option to boot from. Only the MacOSX10.2.1, MacOSX10.5.8 and MorphOS2.7 boot partitions would show up. To boot into MacOS9.2.2 I would have to choose it from the Startup Disk option in the System Preferences. Now I am in the process of setting up separate hard drives for each OS, instead of partitions on one drive. Since MorphOS2.7 is so small and efficient, it will easily fit on my 6gb hard drive pulled from a G3 iMac and have tons of room for files and applications. I will put MacOS9.2.2 on a 120gb drive and MacOSX 10.5.8 on my 160gb drive. I might even set up Ubuntu PPC 10.10 on yet another hard drive, since the MDD G4 PowerMac easily holds 4 hard drives, but that might be just a waste of space and extra heat producing hardware since I hardly ever use Linux. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Zip drive on an MDD G4
I have a MDD G4 PowerMac and wanted a Zip drive for it, so I found one on eBay. It makes it easy to Sneaker Net files between my MDD and a bunch of my other old computers that also have Zip drives, but I don't have connected to my local network. I already had a Zip drive to install in my MDD, but to get the faceplate for my MDD, I had to buy the faceplate and the Zip drive together and ended up getting a Zip 750 drive with the faceplate. Both Mirrored Drive Doors were replaced with the lower door having a slot for the Zip drive and being fixed in place, non-opening, plus it came with the 5.25 to 3.5 bracket to position the Zip drive in the right place to line up with the slot hole in the MDD faceplate. Not sure how many were sold with the Zip option, but you can probably find one for sale on eBay or Craigslist in your area, if you look long enough. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups @Martin N, Are you thinking of getting a G5 PowerMac because of the possibility that it will be able to run MorphOS in the future? I know that was one of the main reasons for me when looking to purchase my Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac, but I also wanted it to run Final Cut Pro Studio to do some video editing. It sits next to my old Amiga A4000 Power Tower w/ CyberStorm 233Mhz PPC NewTek Video Toaster/Flyer system inside and my A2000 w/GVP TekMagic 68060 accelerator and V-Lab Motion video editing system. Amiga's were the first great Video Editing computers. Too bad the management at Commodore didn't know how to market them and ran the company into the ground. It is likely to be a long wait before MorphOS3.x that contains support for the G5 PowerMacs. I am guessing at least 6 to 12 months and maybe as long as 18 to 24 months. If you wait until it is released, the prices of G5 PowerMac's will have continued to drop and you might be able to find one for only $150 to $250. They should make for great systems to run MorphOS on, as MorphOS2.7 already flies on my 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac and 1.5GHz MacMini. All we need now is more native MorphOS software, so I am teaching myself to program and will begin writing programs just for MorphOS in the near future. I also notice from your signature that you are running MorphOS2.6 on your MacMini. Why haven't you installed the free upgrade to 2.7? It is really great that all the upgrades from 2.0 to 2.7 and soon to 3.0 have been free to registered users. I have read that they are going to lower the price for MorphOS registration for all models except the G4 PowerBooks, but don't know when, or by how much. Regards, AmigaDave Running MorphOS2.7 registered on my 1.42GHz G4 MDD PowerMac, 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, Efika 5200b, plus MorphOS3.0 beta on both my 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks, with a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac running MacOSX 10.5.8 Ubuntu PPC 10.10 waiting for support on MorphOS3.x. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see copper tubing it's a Panasonic. If I remember correctly, the copper tubing on the Panasonic Liquid Cooling Systems is painted, or anodized a silver color, so don't get confused that it isn't copper colored. The other LCS units use rubber hoses, not metal tubing, so it is easy to tell them apart. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: So, how is it with a G5 and Leopard? Are there any known issues that I just didn't find yet? Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard? Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be there after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)? Thanks in advance, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 It does not sound like strange behavior to me that a later OS release might use more resources and generate more heat, so the fans would kick on occasionally. It is just normal operation. Did you expect your fans to never speed up while using your G5? The usage does not have to be at 100% of CPU load to get the fans to speed up. As Valter wrote, it is never a bad idea to clean the inside of any of your computers. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Dan wrote: the Passport does not get recognized by the G4 PowerBook at all when plugged in to either of the USB ports. Explain please does not get recognized. Exactly what happens or doesn't happen. It is not recognized at all in any utility program or in any way. It is like it does not exist at all. I will take your advice and try to connect it through a powered USB hub and see if it shows up that way. I just want to reformat it and use it as my TimeMachine backup drive and storage of movie files to share between several different computers, so each computer does not need to have a local copy of every movie file I have. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
The Apple 1.25GHz Dual G4 Processor will only work in the Mirror Drive Door PowerMac models, not your Quicksilver. You should look for a Sonnet 1.8GHz upgrade, or there was a company that made a 2.0GHz upgrade for the Quicksilver, but they are extremely hard to find. On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Later, Skyler -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: External hard drive vs. online back up sites
This discussion regarding external hard drives vs online back-up sites reminded me to ask about my Passport external hard drive. It is a 750gb 2.5 drive that I was using with my Intel MacBook without the SmartDrive software that comes preloaded on the drive. I used it with TimeMachine to backup my MacBook for a while, but when I gave away my MacBook to my youngest Son as a graduation present when he left to go to college after High School, I kept the Passport external drive to use with my 1.67GHz G4 17-inch PowerBook, model 5.9 (the last one's made). That is when I found out that the Passport does not get recognized by the G4 PowerBook at all when plugged in to either of the USB ports. That is when I did some research and found that Western Digital's Passport external drives come in two flavors, one for Windows and one for MacOSX. Does anyone here know how to get my Passport drive to be usable with my G4 PowerBook? Since giving away my MacBook to my Son, my G4 PowerBook is my most used computer (due to my back condition that keeps me in bed now and the PowerBook being my only laptop, of the 15 or 20 computers I have here at home). I would really like to get this Passport external drive working with MacOSX 10.5.8 and MorphOS3.0 beta on my G4 PowerBook. AmigaDave from Big Bear Lake, Calif. 1.67GHz G4 15-inch PowerBook w/MorphOS3.0 beta, 1.67GHz G4 17-inch PowerBook w/dual boot MacOSX MorphOS3.0 beta, Dual 1.42GHz G4 MDD PowerMac w/Triple boot MorphOS2.7/MacOSX/Ubuntu10.10, Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac w/Triple boot MorphOS2.7/MacOSX/Ubuntu10.10 and more than a dozen Amiga's with Motorola 680x0 CPU's inside and one Windows computer with a 3.0GHz Quad Core Extreme. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Old PPC mac turns into an ethernet storage device.
Using a G5 PowerMac to provide access to just one external network drive is a huge waste of electricity. Get an external FireWire, or USB hard drive. On Nov 27, 2011, at 10:00 AM, JohnCarmonne wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Is there a way to use an old G5 power mac as an ethernet disk? just like you would use an ethernet attached hard drive? no monitor, keyboard or mouse.. I know I have to have an OS on it, but other than that, nothing it needs to be seen on the LAN as a ethernet disk??? Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrading G4's
Okay, my dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU card just arrived yesterday, so I am ready to replace my dual 1.25GHz G4's with the dual 1.42GHz G4's. I have looked around for guides on how to do this, but have not found anything specific yet. I am hoping that since my MDD dual 1.25GHz G4's already use the 1.67GHz bus, I won't have to do any modifications to the dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU board and all I need to do is swap out the existing dual G4 board with the new one. Does anyone here have any experience with such an upgrade? The only guides I can find are for slower G4's that need to have resistors removed to adjust the speed so the faster G4 CPU's will work at the correct speed when installed in slower G4 PowerMac's. Thanks in advance for any advice or links to sites that have the answers for me. I would like to do the upgrade later today. David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hands free video/audio communication
Get an intercom system that works with remote wireless microphones that you and your wife would wear. The microphones would not pick up and transmit the music, only your voices. You may have trouble finding such a system, or finding the components to put such a system together yourself. On Nov 18, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Nesta Nesta wrote: ...what happens when you turn on the music? On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Nov 14, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: My wife and I are considering the addition of an office building outside of our house... we have this small problem. we want to be able to talk freely (like we're in the same room) with out pushing buttons (intercom system) or using ichat although ichat would work, it means we need a full mac dedicated to that purpose,... any ideas here? and no, we don't want baby monitors You need voice activated intercom. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Either reading this group or engaged in an experiment in thinking through the possibilities of world peace...Nesta. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Problems with MDD Freezing Up
I have random freezing on my G4 PowerBook, model 1139 w/1.67GHz G4, so I will check out the Console Log that you mentioned below and see if I can find the reason for this Freezing that happens about once a day. Are you suggesting to leave the Console Log up and running all the time, so that when the computer Freezes I will be able to see in the Console Log what happened right before the Freeze? I would need to make sure what ever I am doing on the computer did not cover that window, or I would not be able to see it after the freeze occurred. On Nov 19, 2011, at 10:27 AM, gifutiger wrote: Greetings, There should be some kind of indication as to why your platform is freezing in the Console Log You'll find the Console log in your Utilities folder. When you restart after a freeze open the console log and perhaps you'll find out what was happening just prior to the freeze. Cheers Harry Free,am San Jose, Ca -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Weather Widget fix 10.5.8
Can you explain exact step by step for number 4 below? Also, must step 2 be compressed to move it to the desktop? Can all of this be done by putting the 10.6 Install DVD into a G4 PowerBook, or do I need to do these steps on my Intel MacMini and transfer the files with a USB stick to the G4 PowerBook? Thanks for this tip. David On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:32 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: This works like a charm to fix Weather Widget in 10.5.8 1. Have access to 10.6.x 2. Compress System/Library/WidgetResources, to move to desk top. 3. Replace 10.5 System/Library/WidgetResources with 10.6 System/ Library/WidgetResources 4. Also swap weather widgets from 10.5 and 10.6 5. Repair permissions John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 From iMac Core Duo 2.0 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hacking for a slimmer world
I think that the advantage of using SCSI drives is not only in the transfer speed, which as you say is equal to one of your newer IDE drives, but IDE uses more CPU DMA to run than using SCSI which frees the CPU up from managing the data transfer. I don't know all the details as I am not a technical guy (not too much anyway), but when faced with limited CPU power, SCSI drives will always be better than IDE from what I have read in the past. This will speed up your G4 PowerMac, as it will have more CPU resources to work on other tasks, instead of using a chunk of it's power to transfer data over the IDE bus. I have several ATTO fibre optic controller cards pulled from Avid Meridian audio/video editing MDD G4 systems, if anyone is interested in getting one. I think the max transfer speed for them is faster than your 80MB/s, but then you need a hard drive or adapter that converts drives to fibre optic, which I am unfamiliar with, as the editing systems did not come with the storage drives that the fibre optic cards connected to. Not sure how you are going to test the speed improvement you can get from using SCSI drives instead of IDE, when both drives are transferring data at the same speed, but as I said above, your G4(s) should have much more resources available when using SCSI than IDE. On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Bruce Godfrey wrote: dc, do you have any data on how much difference a fast SCSI drive makes in a MDD or similar G$ Mac? I just installed one and I have used Disk Speed Bench X to test the transfer speed. I find 80MB/ sec. My original IDE Hitachi Deskstar on the ATA100 bus is only moving about 50MB/sec. However, another WD drive on the same ATA 100 bus is also moving 80MB/sec. I was hoping the 15K U320 SCSI drive would easily beat a good IDE drive, but that does not appear to be the case. Is it maybe the kind of test Disk Speed Bench X performs? Another related point - AFAIK the fastest SCSI card made for a PCI slot is U160. The U320 cards are all PCI-X or later. Those work in a PCI slot, but only at 33MHz and 32 bits. The PCI SCSI cards, at least the ones from ATTO Tech, actually use the 64 bit wide PCI bus in old Macs. Maybe the only PCI cards made that do. Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hacking for a slimmer world
I have a box full of SCSI-3 drives, but they are all smaller sizes, only 18gb, 36gb 73gb drives. I would suggest if you are going to do this to have a faster system, put MacOSX on the faster SCSI drive and use a larger IDE drive for storage of your large files, like videos and huge iTunes libraries. SCSI drives are not yet really cheap, or cheaper than IDE drives. Finding large SCSI drives will likely be expensive and you won't find them as large as the current IDE and SATA drives. I don't know the speed of, or availability of SATA controllers that will work in a G4 PowerMac, but that might be a better choice, instead of searching for old SCSI hardware and drives. On Nov 15, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Jesse wrote: So what are the best drives and cards for scsi? Am I able to find larger drives in scsi? Seems as though, looking at the Mac swap list that,sadly, that a used option would be as expensive as a new one? Ne deals ne one? Sent from my iPhone 4 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G5 or older Mac
It is surprising to hear that anyone is still running a business from G4 computers, but I like it. Shows that you don't have to use the latest and most powerful equipment to keep being productive. The fastest G5 PowerMac's that were produced were the dual 2.7GHz G5 and the dual core, dual 2.5GHz G5 (total of 4 cores). Both are liquid cooled and many of those liquid cooled G5's had leak problems, but if you can find one with the Panasonic liquid cooling system, they are the better of the two liquid cooling systems and should be reliable. I don't have exact figures about the performance of your PPC software running through Rosetta on an Intel PowerMac to compare against those two fastest G5 PowerMacs, but think I remember that the fastest Intel PowerMacs were much faster, even when running PPC software through Rosetta, than the best G5 systems could do. Rumor has it that Apple is going to phase out the big tower PowerMac's in the near future, but I don't know if that is true. Since you have invested in your PPC software and the prices of G5 PowerMacs is falling through the floor so quickly, I would suggest you look around for a Quad Core 2.5GHz G5 PowerMac to run it on. I have seen them sell on eBay for as little as about $390 to $550 and the dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac's for around $250 to $330. Your software does not require MacOS9 does it? The dual 2.3GHz G5 is the upper limit for G5 PowerMac's only if you want to avoid the liquid cooling systems and stay with air cooled G5's. On Nov 13, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Any one else have suggestions on a reasonably priced upgrade? Does Rosetta work well, so that if I went Intel, I could still run all my PPC apps? I know very little about the Rosetta idea. The Dual 2.3 GHz G5 sounds like the upper limit for PPC. My art business is a bit slow in the Sales Department ... Thanks for all the suggestions so far ... I decided to switch my DA for my QS by trading hard drives and video cards ... using the QS now for my daily work, and my DA for my display / connection to my LED TV. Speed was not important to the TV and the QS is noticeably faster for my daily music and visual arts work. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok
Flash is hopefully on it's way out and will be replaced with html5. It is already happening on YouTube and other sites. On Nov 13, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Tina K. wrote: Apparently Chromium does have Flash Player included, I don't have it installed and my other browsers won't play Flash content but Chromium does. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Hacking
As Eric stated before, hacking MacOSX's kernel is not something most people would suggest or think of doing to get more speed, specially the PPC Mac kernel. Some of my friends have modified faster ATI Radeon video cards, like the 9800Pro, or FireGL X3, or 800XT to work in the older AGP slot in your MDD G4 PowerMac and reflashed PC versions of those cards (which can be bought for much less) with a Mac bios file. I think that maybe the 800XT is the fastest video card you will be able to convert to use in your MDD G4 PowerMac and you already have the RAM maxed out at 2gb, so the only other thing I could suggest is to get a SATA controller card to use faster larger hard drives. Not sure what else I would suggest for speeding up MacOSX on your MDD 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac, but if you want some real speed from your OS on that computer, take a look at MorphOS2.7 at http://www.morphos- team.net/ or read about the Lightning OS at this article on OS News http://www.osnews.com/story/15209/ Lastly, I have the exact G4 PowerMac as yours and I ordered a Dual 1.42GHz G4 processor board to replace the Dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU's, which I am thinking of over-clocking to 1.5GHz or 1.67GHz. I think the Dual 1.42GHz stock Apple part with it's 2mb of L3 Cache over clocked is a better choice than a Sonnet Dual 1.8GHz with zero L3 Cache. Good luck with your speed up efforts on your MDD PowerMac and let me know what you decide to do. Messing around with older systems and trying to get the most out of them is a fun hobby. Regards, David -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cards in my MDD
The video card in your MDD is not great. If you can find a Radeon 9000Pro that was optional for the G4 MDD PowerMac, it would be better, as it is faster and has twice the VRAM. Not sure, but I think the SCSI controller card is already supported, without the need for installing additional drivers. You could use it to connect external hard drives, or ZIP optical drives, scanners, or any other SCSI controlled external devices. Not many people using SCSI devices anymore and to my knowledge, no one is making SCSI devices any more, so it would probably be a very old device, or hard drive that you would have to find. On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I have the following cards in my MDD NVIDIA GeForce4 MX: Chipset Model:GeForce4 MX Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-1 VRAM (Total): 32 MB Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de) Device ID:0x0172 Revision ID: 0x00a5 ROM Revision: 1121 Displays: DELL D1025TM: Resolution: 1024 x 768 @ 85 Hz Depth:32-Bit Color Core Image: Software Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported Display Connector: Status: No Display Connected ADPT,1757800-00: Name: ADPT,2940U2B Type: scsi-2 Driver Installed: No Bus: PCI Slot: SLOT-2 Vendor ID:0x9005 Device ID:0x0010 Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9005 Subsystem ID: 0xa100 Revision ID: 0x0001 Now I have a few questions: 1) I know I asked about video cards in the past but I cannot find the thread nor can I find the cards in my G3 Smurf or my G4 Quicksilver. How good is the card in my MDD? Also, if anyone finds my old thread let me know. :) 2) What can I use my SCSI card for and do I need drivers? If so where do I get them? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: looking to upgrade router at home
Might not be the Airport Extreme's fault, as it could be your Internet service provider and you will have the same problems with a new wifi router. On Nov 7, 2011, at 3:26 AM, Jeff Bequette wrote: This may be out of our bailiwick on this list, but here goes: DP 1.8 G5, running Leopard 10.5.8, 4 gigs ram, hardwired into the Airport extreme (saucer, model A1034) an iPad 1 2 or 3 iphones (if daughter is home) 2 mac laptops (when both girls are home) netflix via wireless (airport extreme) on the home entertainment system Hp 5-in-1 printer, which must be hardwired into the computer for scanning. Cable modem She who must be obeyed has expressed displeasure with the Airport Extremes performance, constant reboots and associated interruptions in movies and playing on the iPad. Is there one that is better for a home system than others? Anyone had good luck with refurbished units? Limits: G5 does not have an airport card, so needs hardwire (currently ethernet) entry. $$ WEP 128 bit security? Should I assume WEP 256 is better? Or is WPA adequate? Will updating into the n-bands have a large increase of speed for phones and laptops? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver processor upgrade easier than expected
Thanks for that message par, I have a dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU board on it's way to me right now that is intended to replace my current dual 1.25GHz G4 CPU's, and I am hoping that it will be an easy switch from one to the other in my MDD G4 PowerMac when it arrives. I am also interested in possibly over- clocking the 1.42GHz G4 CPU's to 1.5GHz, or 1.67GHz to give it the maximum amount of speed difference, over the performance I now have with my stock 1.25GHz G4's. I could have looked for a dual 1.8GHz accelerated G4 CPU upgrade from one of the third party companies that manufacturers accelerators for Mac computers, but to my knowledge, none of them have the L3 cache that the stock G4 CPU cards have. It is my thinking that an over- clocked 1.42GHz G4 board should be as fast, or almost as fast at the 1.8GHz G4 upgrade board without the L3 cache in many benchmark tests. My goal in trying to get more speed is to get smoother video play back at higher resolutions. I have found that MorphOS2.7 with mPlayer can run 720p videos much smoother that MacOSX on the same hardware, and I hope that with my upgrade to 1.42GHz G4's (with or without overclocking) I will be able to play 720p videos without any skipped frames while running MorphOS2.7 and mPlayer. I will let everyone know how it turns out once the dual 1.42GHz G4's show up and I get them installed. If anyone here has any tips for that upgrade from 1.25GHz to 1.42GHz, tips or warnings about over- clocking the 1.42GHz G4's to 1.5GHz, or 1.67GHz, please send me a reply. On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:36 AM, par wrote: I just upgraded my 933 Mhz Quicksilver 2002 with a 1 Ghz dual processor. It was much easier than I thought it would be, based on installation instructions I picked up on the net, implying you're almost certain to bend the processor pins/wreck the upgrade processor. I just took special care to pull the old processor straight up, and not force in the new processor. Anyone you got the idea it's not an upgrade to try without extreme skill stop worrrying. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
You may laugh about putting a diaper around the cpu's, but the top of the G5 PSU actually comes with exactly that fixed to it on the liquid cooled models. When I asked you to check for corrosion and possible leaks, I should have told you that you must remove the heat sinks and liquid cooling system to check for leaks around the O rings of the heat sinks. You cannot see it unless you remove the G5 CPU boards from the computer. On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 4-11-2011 21:57, David W. Morris ha scritto: Have you opened up your Dual 2.7GHz G5 and removed the CPU's to check for corrosion, or leaks? Yes, I heard about this problem with liquid-cooled G5s, so when I got it I immediately opened and checked it out. No leaks or any trace whatsoever (lucky me :-). Anyway, back to the point of my message. I suggest you check any liquid cooled G5 Mac computer for leaks and corrosion, before you have a catastrophic leak and failure that damages the motherboard and PSU Now that you make me think about it... it could happen anytime. :-/ (or, since it's 6 years old now, it's tested enough?) Should I check it every now and then? The G5 sits under my desk, and it's not immediately accessible. Should I put a diaper around the CPUs, just in case? ;-D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hdiutil help
Isn't it because the ISO should an CD-ROM format, such as Rockridge, or Joliet, or ISO 9660, and not a file format that is used on hard drives? I have created many useless CD-R drink coasters while trying to burn an ISO to a CD-R disc, because MacOSX often mistakenly asks if I want to burn the Contents of the ISO image to the CD-R, instead of burning the ISO image on to the CD-R and I forget that doing it that way does not create a CD-ROM that can be read on other computers. When I use OSX's Disk Utility and burn the ISO image to the CD-R, I get a CD-ROM that can be read on any computer. Hope this helps. (from the new guy, AmigaDave) On Nov 3, 2011, at 6:58 PM, slvrmoonti...@yahoo.com wrote: It probably giving that error because Macs can't read MS-DOS. Can you use the -fs option for FAT or FAT32? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Sender: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 15:43:23 To: Macintel Listmacin...@googlegroups.com Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Cc: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: hdiutil help I'm trying to write a script that turns a zip file into a Windows- mountable ISO file, and my sticking point is the hdiutil command creating the disk image. hdiutil create image_name -format UDTO -srcfolder source-folder- path Works. It creates a .cdr (aka .iso) file with the contents of the source folder. However the resulting disk image is formatted with a HFS+ file system, so when you try to mount the .iso file on a wondws machine (or the disk made by burning it) Windows claims it's corrupted and unreadable. hdiutil has a -fs option allowing me to choose MS-DOS as the file system but trying that results in an error: mount_msdos: /dev/disk2 on /Volumes/TEST: Operation not permitted /sbin/mount failed with error 18176 However, it seems to continue to make the disk image. Anyone know why it' spitting out that error? (and before you suggest it: No Toast is not an acceptable solution, nor is using Disk Utility, this has to be managed on a regular basis by a user who just wants to stick some stuff in his windows Access database (yes, I'm writing a Mac utility to create an ISO so Access can use it in his Windows VM) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hdiutil help
Yes, I understand what is happening and why (now), but I think for most noob's MacOSX should have treated ISO images differently when you click on one and then click on the Burn to Disc button. It just does not seem to be as intuitive as it should be for users that are not as smart as you are (or I am now). ;-) On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:21 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 3, 2011, at 7:47 PM, David W. Morris wrote: sn't it because the ISO should an CD-ROM format, such as Rockridge, or Joliet, or ISO 9660, and not a file format that is used on hard drives? Well actually ISO is a partitioning scheme, which hosts a file structure, which may be a variety of underlying file systems, like MS-DOS and HFS+. I have created many useless CD-R drink coasters while trying to burn an ISO to a CD-R disc, because MacOSX often mistakenly asks if I want to burn the Contents of the ISO image to the CD-R, instead of burning the ISO image on to the CD-R and I forget that doing it that way does not create a CD-ROM that can be read on other computers. When I use OSX's Disk Utility and burn the ISO image to the CD-R, I get a CD-ROM that can be read on any computer. That actually doesn't have anything to do with the ISO-ness of the dis image, but the way you'e burining the image….the first occurs when you tell OS X to put a file onto a disk (the iso file) and make a data CD out of it. The second (via Disk Utility) you're explicitly telling the mac that the file in question is a disk image and should be treated as such, hence the successful burning. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
Have you opened up your Dual 2.7GHz G5 and removed the CPU's to check for corrosion, or leaks? I have both a dual 2.7GHz and dual 2.5gHz G5 PowerMac and both of them had the beginnings of leaks and considerable corrosion from the O rings, so I took them apart, cleaned off the corrosion and put them back together. I did not have replacement O rings like I should have, so I used some high heat silicone automotive gasket maker to augment the O rings and hopefully prevent any future leaks at that location. I know that it was very low tech and a bit of a hack to do it that way, but I did not want to leave the liquid coolant system open while I waited for new O rings to show up in the mail and I needed to put the systems back together to re-test the dual 2.5GHz system for someone that wanted to buy it. For some reason, only one of the two 2.5GHz G5 CPU's is being shown as working in the About this Mac menu item. When I swap the G5's from one side to the other, it is always the same side that is not working, so both of the G5 CPU's work and it must be a fault with the Motherboard, or G5 socket that is not working correctly. Anyway, back to the point of my message. I suggest you check any liquid cooled G5 Mac computer for leaks and corrosion, before you have a catastrophic leak and failure that damages the motherboard and PSU that sits under the G5 CPU's (bad design for a liquid cooled system). On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 4-11-2011 18:41, Len Gerstel ha scritto: Tough call. I like mucking around and straight to SATA will be faster than Firewire 400. Sure. And it's geekier swapping disks and connecting them... :-D I was mostly concerned about pci-x and the fan controls. I don't know if I am getting a hardware test disk with it. My G5 (2,7 DP) is quite silent. During normal operations, I can barely hear any noise. Just every now and then, fans spin up for some seconds, then stop again. But it could be the liquid cooling making it much less needy for fans spinning. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New Member to this list
Hi Bill, thanks for the reply to my questions. I have tried Carbon Copy Cloner, but with zero success. I probably did something wrong and will try it again. The hard drives that came with the Avid Meridian software and MacOS9.2.2 MacOSX10.2.6 on them are set up to boot to the desktop with a blank password and a user name of Wexler Video. There must be a system password that I do not know, or an Avid Meridian password that I do not have, because when I try to copy the system files, the OS, or the Avid Meridian software to a different hard drive, I get a password request that I can't get past to complete the copy process. The Avid Meridian software uses an USB dongle, so I am confused why they would also require password protection to copy or move the files. (Yes, I have all of the USB dongles for each of the 7 systems) I have 4 IDE hard drives in the dual 1.25GHz G4 MDD PowerMac as follows: 1. 6gb hard drive removed from a G3 iMac with MacOS9.2.2 on it that works and boots on the dual 1.25GHz G4 MDD PowerMac 2. 160gb hard drive w/MorphOS2.7 installed on it, which also boots through the boot option screen when the Option key is held down while booting. 3. 120gb hard drive w/Ubuntu10.10 PPC installed on it (I think I have forgotten the password for this installation and may need to re- install, or recover the password somehow. I am a total noob with Linux of any flavor) 4. Empty 80gb hard drive formatted for Mac w/HFS+ file system that I hope to use as the drive to clone the original drive that came with these video/audio editing systems that came from a production studio in Hollywood, CA about a year ago with Avid Meridian cards and input/ output break-out boxes, as well as an ATTO Fibre Channel card. (in fact, I have 2 or 3 sets of Avid Meridian cards and break-out boxes for sale to anyone who has a G4 PowerMac and wants to play around with audio/video editing. I am trying to sell them on eBay, but if you are interested, let me know. I can sell them cheap and you can have a $3,000+ editing system for literally pennies on the dollar) Since MorphOS2.7 takes up so little hard drive space (the entire OS plus several apps, like the Odyssey1.15 web browser and others, only takes up about 165mb of hard drive space), I was thinking of moving it to the 6gb hard drive. Then I would use the 160gb hard drive for MacOSX10.5.8, with one partition for data storage of media files that I could access as a shared partition from all OSes I use on this computer. I would then keep the Linux Ubuntu10.10 PPC (or later) install on the 120gb hard drive, with perhaps half of that drive partitioned as another data storage partition shared between all OSes on this computer. Finally, I wish to clone the 80gb hard drive that is in an identical computer that I sold to a friend which has a good install of the Avid Meridian audio/video editing software that runs the PCI cards and break-out boxes. It came from the production studio with MacOS9.2.2 and MacOSX10.2.6 together on the same partition. I don't need the MacOSX10.2.6 part of that install, but it will probably be easier to do an exact clone of that drive to my empty 80gb MacOS HFS + formatted hard drive and then if I want, I could later try to delete the 10.2.6 install and just leave the MacOS9.2.2 on that drive, as that is the OS that the Avid Meridian software runs under. What is CentOS? I will have to look it up. Thanks also for the link to the list netiquette guide. I will read it when I have some free time, so I don't make too many mistakes on the list. Sorry for the long post, I hope it has not offended or bored most of the members of this list. If anyone has any suggestions that can help me accomplish what I have outlined above, I will really appreciate your help. If posting such help on the list will just be a waste of bandwidth, you can email me directly. Thanks again, David aka AmigaDave On Oct 31, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Bill Christensen wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:32 PM, AmigaDave bbh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello one and all of the G-Group. I currently have too many G3, G4 and G5 Mac computers, but I am trying to sell some of them. In case you're not aware, LEM has a separate Swap list on Google Groups too. Buy, sell, trade, and sometimes free-for-shipping. For example, I need to clone the hard drive in my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac which has an Avid Meridian video editing system installed in it. Carbon Copy Cloner. It makes exact clones of whatever's on the drive. It'll definitely make a bootable copy of an OS9 drive. (come to think of it, I need to see if it'll do a clone of a CentOS drive I have... Anyone know?) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at
