Re: Processor upgrade question, follow-up: LARGEST
On Aug 14, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Milton King> wrote: Thank You. I probably asked the wrong question an I was thinking largest single processor on a 100 bus. This old G4 will not do much past email and a few web sites. As you know, all of the browsers are not supported. My last hopeful was Roccat and not I cannot get it to run on Tiger. At Any rate, I see some reasonably priced 500 to 733 single core mhz units on some websites. Thank you for your informative response. There’s a version of Firefox kept up-to-date for 10.4 here: http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Processor upgrade question
On 2017-08-14 19:06, Milton King wrote: Thank You. I probably asked the wrong question an I was thinking largest single processor on a 100 bus. This old G4 will not do much past email and a few web sites. As you know, all of the browsers are not supported. My last hopeful was Roccat and not I cannot get it to run on Tiger. At Any rate, I see some reasonably priced 500 to 733 single core mhz units on some websites. Thank you for your informative response. Milt King You're welcome.Since it's about size (dimensions): yes, you can use any single CPU card, provided it is the original small sized one (from Apple, original processor). It is preferrable that the heat sink of the original CPU will also fit the replacement processor daughter card.If you WOULD replace a 7400or 7410 with a 7450, there WOULD BE a slim chance that the original heat sink may not be enough, since the newer 7450-based G4 CPU generally produce more heat. BUT there are two issues here, that PREVENT this possibility from actually happening. ONE, the heat sink for this replacement CPU from the other PowerMac model will not fit on your older PowerMac anyway, so you WOULD BE left with only the chance to use the original one.TWO, and that is the real problem: ALL 7450-based G4 dautgher cards from Apple have larger dimensions, preventing any use of them in older Macs as the Digital Audio, Quicksilver, Quicksilver 2002. The other way around is also true: the larger Dual processor daugher cards of the earlier Gigabit Ethernet, that will fit in all early models including the AGP Graphics, will not fit in the later models that came with a redesigned motherboard for the 7450 processors. IN ANY CASE, if you use a CPU from a later model with a different bus speed, you need to adjust the multiplier on the CPU daughter card. E.g. if you use a 533 MHz CPU from a "Digital Audio" with a 133 MHz bus in a "AGP Graphics" with a 100 MHz bus, you only get 400 Mhz. That is due to the multiplier set to 4: 100 MHz x 4 = 400 MHz 133 MHz x 4 = 533 MHz (skipping the number behind the comma, e.g. exactly it would be 133.3 x 4 or so...) So, using a later CPU in an earlier Mac is possible, but 1) it has to fit and 2) the bus multiplier has to be modified for it to work. I myself did this once: I got a 533 MHz G4 7410 from a "Digital Audio" quite cheap on eBay for using it in my original Cube. The Cube had a 450 MHz 7400. To get the 7410 running at 500 MHz, all I had to do was to remove one resistor from the CPU daughter card. That was easy, but it may well be the other way around: you might have to add a resistor (or a connection, like a wire) to get the correct multiplier. (It was my intention to run the Cube with passive cooling, so downclocking the 533 to 500 MHz was intentional. Otherwise, 550 MHz would have been a good option too.) Concerning the bus multiplier modification, this should be a good starting point for you: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/158931-mac-overclocking-database/ Find the correct PLL resisitors. Modify them to your system clock speed. You may decide to overclock the CPU a little, there is normally no harm in that -- except for heat reasons. If you are more adventurous, you can also overclock the system bus from 100 MHz to 133 MHz, but this requires more than one tweak and may be unstable since the motherboard hasn't been tested for this higher speed. Instabilities (such as freezes and crashes) may occur. http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4ZONE/sawtooth/SawtoothCPUdesign.html Even if this all sounds very promising, THERE HAS TO BE A WARNING: There is absolutely no guarantee that a 7450 series CPU works without any modifications to the motherboard/firmware in a Mac designed for a 7400/7410! BUT normally they should: most third-party CPU upgrade cards used a 7447/7448 or 7455/7457 CPU and worked without modification, so why not an original Apple CPU? So, again: All CPUs up to the single Digital Audio 533 will have the correct dimension for any Power Mac G4. This is the original small daughter card and fits in any Power Mac G4 (except the heatsink will be different in later models!). The Digital Audio 733 as well as the Quicksilver (original 2001 and 2002) use wider daughter cards, even when single-CPU. They WILL NOT fit in any other Power Mac except the Digital Audio and the Quicksilver series. The connection PINs are the same, but the dimensions don't fit on the motherboard. The same is true for the MDD series: only MDD processors (and Xserve G4) will fit into those machines! So, actually, when going for an original single CPU from Apple, the 533 is your only option. A Dual-500 will fit: it is a wider daughter board, but this one will only fit into the original AGP Graphics up to and including the Gigabit Ethernet. In a Digital Audio it will not fit, as the daughter board is to wide on the wrong side. Like the Dual AND single CPU cards of the Digital
Re: Processor upgrade question, follow-up: LARGEST
On 2017-08-14 18:25, Mac User #330250 wrote: On 2017-08-14 16:51, Milt King wrote: I have a 350 mhz Mac G4. What is the largest processor that I can place on this ^^ motherboard. This is just a project that I am interested in. Oh... "largest"... Answering for an "AGP Graphics" Power Mac G4, I think the largest in dimensions are the Dual CPUs from a "Gigabit Ethernet". Starting with the "Digital Audio", the processor daughter card was moved on the the motherboard to a different location and older Dual CPU daughter cards don't fit anymore. Upgrade cards are build on the smaller Single-CPU dimensioned daughter board, so mostly they will work on any G4 Power Mac up to the "Quicksilver". Some even work on MDDs ("Mirrored Drive Doors"). Sorry, I got this wrong the first time. I though "fastest"... -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Processor upgrade question
On 2017-08-14 16:51, Milt King wrote: I have a 350 mhz Mac G4. What is the largest processor that I can place on this motherboard. This is just a project that I am interested in. Milt King Oh may, this is going to be expensive! From the top of my head, the answer is: A Dual-1.8 GHz G4, but it depends if your motherboard has a Uni-North ASIC revision of 7 or above. Some older original "AGP Graphics" i.e. PowerMac3,1 had a lower revision. If it's the predecessor "PCI Graphics" i.e. PowerMac1,2: don't bother... You would need a ZIF socket upgrade, and those are the rarest among the rare. Also I've heard that this specific motherboard design had issues with higher speeds, so you wouldn't want to go that route anyway. But maybe I'm mixing this up with the first versions of the motherboard, when it still used a G3 processor (with the same ZIF socket)... Those would be your options (PCI Graphics only!): http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/by_system/powermac_g4.html Anyway, from "AGP Graphics" i.e. PowerMac3,1 onward, first check the Uni-North revision, as described here: http://www.newertech.com/tech_support/uni-north.php If the Uni-North revision is lower than 7, you can always use a single-CPU upgrade. I believe there was a Single-2.0 GHz G4 CPU upgrade also (overclocked 1.8 GHz CPU), but they are very very very rare. And expensive too! Also keep in mind that a fast CPU will not compensate for the general motherboard design. The bus speed of the G4 Power Macs was at a very slow 100 to 167 MHz. That is okay if the processor speed is equally low, like at 350 MHz. But the faster the CPU, the more you'll realize that the CPU will just sit there, wait for data to process but since the bus isn't able to shift the data to the processor quickly, the fast CPU will mostly be waiting on the bus. BTW, I just did the research: a 350 MHz G4 is either a "PCI Graphics" PowerMac1,2 (ZIF socket!) or a "AGP Graphics" PowerMac3,1, both from 1999 (produced and sold till 2000). All later models, like the "Gigabit Ethernet" PowerMac3,3 from 2000, had higher CPU speeds. So it's either this: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_350.html Or this: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_350_agp.html Anyway, for an AGP based PowerMac, those are your options: http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/by_system/powermac_g4_st.html In general, this is what everymac.com has to say about G4 CPU upgrades: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/faq/power-mac-g4-how-to-upgrade-processor-zif-agp-mdd.html Good luck! -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Processor upgrade question
I have a 350 mhz Mac G4. What is the largest processor that I can place on this motherboard. This is just a project that I am interested in. Milt King -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Upgrade question
On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 14:17 02/12/2011, you wrote: On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper tubing is the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers that Apple had early on and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's had them stock. The other two are Delphi's notice the one with two pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The single pump model is also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 2005's as far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done it and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is the heat sink cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be extra clean and use Form-A-Gasket with new O rings. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip Thanks for the effort uploading those pictures. :) P4170004=Delphi since i cannot see any copper? P4170001=Delphi since it is labelled as such Yes those are Delphi's new heat sink 3= it has a fair amount of copper - is it a Panasonic? new heat sink= Panasonic with copper and a label. Those are pics of the same Panasonic LCS. I have not had a look inside a G5 so its difficult to make head or tail of water cooling. Very easy, just open the hood (side cover) and slide the G5 cover toward the front of the machine and take a look at the LSC you can't miss it. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 14:17 02/12/2011, you wrote: On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper tubing is the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers that Apple had early on and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's had them stock. The other two are Delphi's notice the one with two pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The single pump model is also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 2005's as far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done it and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is the heat sink cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be extra clean and use Form-A-Gasket with new O rings. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip Thanks for the effort uploading those pictures. :) P4170004=Delphi since i cannot see any copper? P4170001=Delphi since it is labelled as such new heat sink 3= it has a fair amount of copper - is it a Panasonic? new heat sink= Panasonic with copper and a label. I have not had a look inside a G5 so its difficult to make head or tail of water cooling. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups @Martin N, Are you thinking of getting a G5 PowerMac because of the possibility that it will be able to run MorphOS in the future? I know that was one of the main reasons for me when looking to purchase my Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac, but I also wanted it to run Final Cut Pro Studio to do some video editing. It sits next to my old Amiga A4000 Power Tower w/ CyberStorm 233Mhz PPC NewTek Video Toaster/Flyer system inside and my A2000 w/GVP TekMagic 68060 accelerator and V-Lab Motion video editing system. Amiga's were the first great Video Editing computers. Too bad the management at Commodore didn't know how to market them and ran the company into the ground. It is likely to be a long wait before MorphOS3.x that contains support for the G5 PowerMacs. I am guessing at least 6 to 12 months and maybe as long as 18 to 24 months. If you wait until it is released, the prices of G5 PowerMac's will have continued to drop and you might be able to find one for only $150 to $250. They should make for great systems to run MorphOS on, as MorphOS2.7 already flies on my 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac and 1.5GHz MacMini. All we need now is more native MorphOS software, so I am teaching myself to program and will begin writing programs just for MorphOS in the near future. I also notice from your signature that you are running MorphOS2.6 on your MacMini. Why haven't you installed the free upgrade to 2.7? It is really great that all the upgrades from 2.0 to 2.7 and soon to 3.0 have been free to registered users. I have read that they are going to lower the price for MorphOS registration for all models except the G4 PowerBooks, but don't know when, or by how much. Regards, AmigaDave Running MorphOS2.7 registered on my 1.42GHz G4 MDD PowerMac, 1.5GHz G4 MacMini, Efika 5200b, plus MorphOS3.0 beta on both my 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks, with a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac running MacOSX 10.5.8 Ubuntu PPC 10.10 waiting for support on MorphOS3.x. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Dec 2, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 04:49 02/12/2011, you wrote: Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto: Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit. On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it. All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see copper tubing it's a Panasonic. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see copper tubing it's a Panasonic. If I remember correctly, the copper tubing on the Panasonic Liquid Cooling Systems is painted, or anodized a silver color, so don't get confused that it isn't copper colored. The other LCS units use rubber hoses, not metal tubing, so it is easy to tell them apart. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:29 AM, David W. Morris wrote: All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see copper tubing it's a Panasonic. If I remember correctly, the copper tubing on the Panasonic Liquid Cooling Systems is painted, or anodized a silver color, so don't get confused that it isn't copper colored. The other LCS units use rubber hoses, not metal tubing, so it is easy to tell them apart. Here is the one in my G5 Dual 2.7. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper tubing is the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers that Apple had early on and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's had them stock. The other two are Delphi's notice the one with two pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The single pump model is also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 2005's as far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done it and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is the heat sink cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be extra clean and use Form-A-Gasket with new O rings. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem inline: PastedGraphic-1.tiff-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 04:49 02/12/2011, you wrote: Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto: Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit. On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it. OK it looks like the description is what i will have to rely on. Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot more expensive If you're afraid about the LCS, you could go for an air cooled G5. (you can use MacTracker to know which is which) Yeah fair enough. Never had a liquid cooled computer of any sort which makes be apprehensive. The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO. Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic? I think the OP meant Quad core G5... :-) (it was the last G5 model, the Late 2005, with dual core processors: the top model had two dual core 2.5 GHz processors, hence the quad core) Yeah i know, I should be more accurate in my wording :) thanks Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote: In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes: Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare. Martin N This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's. They are great machines IMHO. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Il giorno 30-11-2011 0:57, Martin N ha scritto: Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. As stated before, looking on Google or this List archives will get you plenty of info. I got a G5 2.7 DP recently. It seems having the Delphi Liquid Cooling System (LCS), but no leak so far. Very silent, quite fast, I think it's a very good machine, but you have to be lucky about the LCS. Or, get yourself an air cooled one. Below is part of the msgs I got when talking about this: Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. I replaced my Delphi after two rebuilds and one Power supply with the later model Panasonic, it's a much better built unit and easy to service if needed. is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5? The easy way is to look at it with the G5 cover off and if it has copper tubes it's a Panasonic. The top of the processor has the name. Plus not all the Delphi's will leak but it's a real problem with these machines. If you need one rebuilt you can do it your self or Brian at DTT will do it cheap. http://www.dttservice.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 00:09 01/12/2011, you wrote: Il giorno 30-11-2011 0:57, Martin N ha scritto: snip Below is part of the msgs I got when talking about this: Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. I replaced my Delphi after two rebuilds and one Power supply with the later model Panasonic, it's a much better built unit and easy to service if needed. is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5? The easy way is to look at it with the G5 cover off and if it has copper tubes it's a Panasonic. The top of the processor has the name. Plus not all the Delphi's will leak but it's a real problem with these machines. If you need one rebuilt you can do it your self or Brian at DTT will do it cheap. http://www.dttservice.com/ Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot more expensive than those on ebay when i was looking for my g4 mac mini. This is in the UK so YMMV. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 20:58 30/11/2011, you wrote: On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Martin N wrote: Lo, At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote: snip This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO. Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic? Could be, if there is high demand for the Panasonic with the known cooling issues. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto: Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask a seller on ebay to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable Panasonic. He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit. On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it. Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot more expensive If you're afraid about the LCS, you could go for an air cooled G5. (you can use MacTracker to know which is which) The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO. Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic? I think the OP meant Quad core G5... :-) (it was the last G5 model, the Late 2005, with dual core processors: the top model had two dual core 2.5 GHz processors, hence the quad core) Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS). But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote: In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes: snip Skyler, My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450 a DA with Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55. I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water cooled quad cores. Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare. Martin N This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. Ok thanks for the information. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Lo, At 21:53 28/11/2011, you wrote: In a message dated 11/28/11 5:52:36 AM, skyler.r...@gmail.com writes: OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor. What I really need to know is if it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne mailto:carmo...@aol.comcarmo...@aol.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's. Skyler, My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450 a DA with Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55. I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water cooled quad cores. Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare. Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes: snip Skyler, My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450 a DA with Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55. I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water cooled quad cores. Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are? I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not very well built. Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare. Martin N This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor. What I really need to know is if it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Later, Skyler Ah but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now Bob Dylan *With a Les Paul you just wind up sounding like someone else; with the Strat I finally sound like me. -Jeff Beck* I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ. Ghandi Censorship, like charity, should begin at home. But unlike charity, it should remain there. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
The Apple 1.25GHz Dual G4 Processor will only work in the Mirror Drive Door PowerMac models, not your Quicksilver. You should look for a Sonnet 1.8GHz upgrade, or there was a company that made a 2.0GHz upgrade for the Quicksilver, but they are extremely hard to find. On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Later, Skyler -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
In a message dated 11/28/11 5:52:36 AM, skyler.r...@gmail.com writes: OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor. What I really need to know is if it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's. Skyler, My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450 a DA with Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55. I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water cooled quad cores. My 2.3 XBenched at 101 out of the box. When you compare the G5 to the G4, even to the DP MDD, there is a huge difference for the money I'm saying that as a G4 lover holdout. BobT -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Upgrade question
I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated.* -- Later, Skyler Ah but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now Bob Dylan *With a Les Paul you just wind up sounding like someone else; with the Strat I finally sound like me. -Jeff Beck* -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
Il giorno 28-11-2011 4:14, Skyler Rudd ha scritto: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Aside from Fabian Fang answer... you didn't mention your actual QS CPU. If that 1.25 CPU is an original from Apple, it must come from a G4 MDD, thus I doubt it will go straight into a QS (I might be wrong, thou). If it would be a third-party CPU upgrade, then it might. Adobe CS3 is compatible with G4 but, from my personal experience, even with a 1.25 GHz DP G4, it would be slow. I had a G4 Digital Audio (almost same architecture than your QS) upgraded with a 1.4 GHz CPU: InDesign CS3 was pretty slow (but usable), Photoshop was better, but working with them wasn't the best. Now, with a G5 2.7 DP, it's much better: not blazing fast, but not crawling anymore. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question
On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote: I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
running 9.2.2 with the Sonnet upgrade: there are two programs on the install CD that come with the processor upgrade. the instructions say to first update firmware, which you don't need to do since you're already at 4.2.8. then it says to run the program on the CD, under OS X, for OS X install. a couple of pages later, it says to run the other program under 9.2. i didn't discover this part of the instructions until i had changed the processor and tried to boot to 9.2, and the boot sequence stalled. then i RTFM and found the OS9 part. i put the old processor back in, booted 9.2, ran the OS 9 install program, then put the new processor back in, and all is well. what the OS 9 install program does is put two extensions in the extensions folder: Sonnet Processor Upgrade (with a space before the S so it loads first) and an updated version of Apple CPU Plugins, which is in the Multiprocessing folder within Extensions folder. then just for fun, i wanted to boot from an OS 9.2.2 install disk. of course it didn't boot properly due to the lack of those extensions (actually it's when i was trying to get it to boot that i realized that the installer must have installed extensions for the booting to work). i readily found the Sonnet extension but i needed to contact Sonnet tech support (who repllied within an hour!) to learn about the updated CPU plugin extension. so, i burned a new 9.2.2 install disk with Toast 5.1 after adding the sonnet extension and replacing the old CPU extension. boots fine--except i'm not sure when i'll ever need! no, i don't have enough to do with my time!! On Jan 26, 10:04 pm, Sean Carroll cedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Thanks, Ken. i inherited a sawtooth a few weeks ago, and decided to keep it and upgrade it so i could run leopard and lightroom 2. Being able to run Leopard would be a bonus. Ironically, an important asset of more CPU firepower for me would be the ability to run some *older* software (old but more recent than 450 MHz as state-of-the- art). Digital recording software that requires a computer with some expandability, in case anyone is wondering why I'd want an old computer running old software when I'm planning to get a new Mac mini before too long. i bought a 1.6 ghz processor upgrade (Sonnet) from OWC (the link is on one of the low end mac Powermac upgrade pages). it took about 5 minutes to install--run the firmware mod utility that came with the new processor, remove the old processor, drop in the new one, and off to the races. Good to hear that it's as easy as advertised. Sonnet seems to get mixed reviews here with other stuff, but I haven't heard many bad reviews of their CPU upgrades. Maybe one. (in order to run the firmware updater to prepare for the new processor, the mac firmware needs to be at 4.2.8. My firmware is at 4.2.8 . I have OS 9.2.2 on a partition, and I also have the OS 9 install disc. Which reminds me - are you aware of any OS 9 complications involved in installing the Sonnet CPU upgrade? I know that a Newer Technology requires a bit of fuss and bother with removing something from some plug-ins folder (CPU. CMU, something) in OS 9 prior to the upgrade. It appears that you might not be running OS 9 (or at least weren't before the upgrade), but I just wondered if you noticed anything about it in the documentation or while running the firmware mod utility. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
running 9.2.2 with the Sonnet upgrade: That all sounds quite similar to the extra steps for OS 9 that I read about for the Newer Technology CPU upgrade. Evidently, the CPU upgrade (not Newer Technology) I have ordered is as Plug-n-Play as they come. I hope so, as this is the only part of the whole Sawtooth upgrade that makes me a bit nervous. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
Thanks, Ken. i inherited a sawtooth a few weeks ago, and decided to keep it and upgrade it so i could run leopard and lightroom 2. Being able to run Leopard would be a bonus. Ironically, an important asset of more CPU firepower for me would be the ability to run some *older* software (old but more recent than 450 MHz as state-of-the- art). Digital recording software that requires a computer with some expandability, in case anyone is wondering why I'd want an old computer running old software when I'm planning to get a new Mac mini before too long. i bought a 1.6 ghz processor upgrade (Sonnet) from OWC (the link is on one of the low end mac Powermac upgrade pages). it took about 5 minutes to install--run the firmware mod utility that came with the new processor, remove the old processor, drop in the new one, and off to the races. Good to hear that it's as easy as advertised. Sonnet seems to get mixed reviews here with other stuff, but I haven't heard many bad reviews of their CPU upgrades. Maybe one. (in order to run the firmware updater to prepare for the new processor, the mac firmware needs to be at 4.2.8. My firmware is at 4.2.8 . I have OS 9.2.2 on a partition, and I also have the OS 9 install disc. Which reminds me - are you aware of any OS 9 complications involved in installing the Sonnet CPU upgrade? I know that a Newer Technology requires a bit of fuss and bother with removing something from some plug-ins folder (CPU. CMU, something) in OS 9 prior to the upgrade. It appears that you might not be running OS 9 (or at least weren't before the upgrade), but I just wondered if you noticed anything about it in the documentation or while running the firmware mod utility. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
Don't you need the latest firmware to run OSX? I though so... On Jan 23, 6:15 pm, faithie999 faithie...@hotmail.com wrote: . (in order to run the firmware updater to prepare for the new processor, the mac firmware needs to be at 4.2.8. if you need to upgrade the firmware, it's still available on apple's download site. however, the updater app only runs in OS9. took me a couple of days to locate OS9 install disk and get it booted, and then to get the firmware updated.) ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
i inherited a sawtooth a few weeks ago, and decided to keep it and upgrade it so i could run leopard and lightroom 2. i bought a 1.6 ghz processor upgrade (Sonnet) from OWC (the link is on one of the low end mac Powermac upgrade pages). it took about 5 minutes to install--run the firmware mod utility that came with the new processor, remove the old processor, drop in the new one, and off to the races. (in order to run the firmware updater to prepare for the new processor, the mac firmware needs to be at 4.2.8. if you need to upgrade the firmware, it's still available on apple's download site. however, the updater app only runs in OS9. took me a couple of days to locate OS9 install disk and get it booted, and then to get the firmware updated.) then i erased the HD and did a clean install of leopard. it runs great. if you can spring for the processor i'd highly recommend it. ken On Jan 23, 9:00 am, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: On Jan 23, 3:57 am, Sean Carroll cedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Current system: Power Mac G4 AGP 450 MHz, 1.25 GB RAM, 160 GB 40 GB hard drives (PATA), Gigabit Ethernet PCI Card, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 and Mac OS 9.2.2 I've found a great deal of useful information about Power Mac G4 AGP CPU upgrades through Low End Mac and scouring the archives here. Personally I wouldn't think a processor upgrade, even a used one, would be worth it if you are getting a new Mac soon. Max out the RAM to 1.5 GB, that should only cost $20 or so. You can also run a freeware utility called Monolingual which will strip out the Intel and G5 architectures from your OS, along with the languages you don't need. It will save around a gig of disk space and let Tiger run much more efficiently. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
Monolingual is awesome -- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
On Jan 23, 3:57 am, Sean Carroll cedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Current system: Power Mac G4 AGP 450 MHz, 1.25 GB RAM, 160 GB 40 GB hard drives (PATA), Gigabit Ethernet PCI Card, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 and Mac OS 9.2.2 I've found a great deal of useful information about Power Mac G4 AGP CPU upgrades through Low End Mac and scouring the archives here. Personally I wouldn't think a processor upgrade, even a used one, would be worth it if you are getting a new Mac soon. Max out the RAM to 1.5 GB, that should only cost $20 or so. You can also run a freeware utility called Monolingual which will strip out the Intel and G5 architectures from your OS, along with the languages you don't need. It will save around a gig of disk space and let Tiger run much more efficiently. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Fwd: Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
On 1/23/11 9:00 AM, dc wrote: On Jan 23, 3:57 am, Sean Carrollcedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Current system: Power Mac G4 AGP 450 MHz, 1.25 GB RAM, 160 GB 40 GB hard drives (PATA), Gigabit Ethernet PCI Card, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 and Mac OS 9.2.2 I've found a great deal of useful information about Power Mac G4 AGP CPU upgrades through Low End Mac and scouring the archives here. Personally I wouldn't think a processor upgrade, even a used one, would be worth it if you are getting a new Mac soon. Max out the RAM to 1.5 GB, that should only cost $20 or so. You can also run a freeware utility called Monolingual which will strip out the Intel and G5 architectures from your OS, along with the languages you don't need. It will save around a gig of disk space and let Tiger run much more efficiently. Along with Monolingual, I always use 'Delocalizer' which strips out the country specific stuff to save a bit more room. Note that you often need to do these again after you install new software, as they (by default) install all languages/country specific files again. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
Personally I wouldn't think a processor upgrade, even a used one, would be worth it if you are getting a new Mac soon. Part of the return on the investment would be learning to perform a processor upgrade by doing it. A CPU upgrade would seem to go hand in hand with bringing the computer up to speed in other ways, but I may be overestimating the benefits and underestimating the risks, hence my questions. In any event, the Sawtooth is becoming a hobby, and the payoff will be in the learning and seeing what I can do. I don't expect to recoup any money spent on it. Thanks for mentioning Monolingual. Sounds like a good idea. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Sean Carroll cedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Personally I wouldn't think a processor upgrade, even a used one, would be worth it if you are getting a new Mac soon. Part of the return on the investment would be learning to perform a processor upgrade by doing it. A CPU upgrade would seem to go hand in hand with bringing the computer up to speed in other ways, but I may be overestimating the benefits and underestimating the risks, hence my questions. In any event, the Sawtooth is becoming a hobby, and the payoff will be in the learning and seeing what I can do. I don't expect to recoup any money spent on it. Relatively speaking it should be cheap. Be sure to max the RAM. You are shopping the LEM swap list also I hope. Don't be afraid of the processor swap. Read up on it. Look at as many mobo pictures and diagrams as you can find so you are oriented to the parts. And relax and breathe so your hands are steady. Good lighting and maybe even magnification might help too. Never let the hardware smell your fear ! Keep saying to yourself It's only an appliance. ( no apologies to nervous Nellies) -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth to Sabretooth: The CPU upgrade question
Thank you, Adrian. Be sure to max the RAM. You are shopping the LEM swap list also I hope. Yes, I just added *some* RAM as a start. Funny, and so typical of me, is that there was a slight error in my calculations (though not a Crucial - pun intended - one). I installed 1 GB RAM total, 2 modules, aglow with thoughts of attaining 1.5 GB. I overlooked that I was also removing 256 MB of RAM in order to do this. So at first, I was wondering why the system wasn't recognizing all the RAM. I'm aware of the LEM swap list. Haven't been there yet, as I've been busy researching the general questions of upgrading. Don't be afraid of the processor swap. Read up on it. Yes. I learned a lot just looking at the PDF instructions for one of the Newer Technology CPU upgrades. Gave me my first real idea of what I could be about to get into. Never let the hardware smell your fear ! Well, I'm certainly less afraid with good advice here to turn to. The Sawtooth is still my one and only, so there's a bit of trepidation at what could go wrong. Keep saying to yourself It's only an appliance. ( no apologies to nervous Nellies) I keep saying to myself, Don't be afraid to admit your ignorance. Ask questions and learn. Try things and learn. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMacG5 Upgrade Question
Thanks to everyone for responding, much appreciated. It looks like my best option at this point with the limited funding I have is to trade in my old G5 and spend a couple of bucks on a new tower. Not ideal, but will definitely help. I sent a few email feelers to a couple of sites to see what kind of quote I would get but if anyone knows (or has dealt with) any competitive sites for trade in's, and if you have the time, please, let me know. Thanks again! Anthony On Jan 11, 4:20 pm, TVirkkala multi...@wirkman.com wrote: I asked some questions like this last year On 2011/01/11 14:24, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: On Jan 11, 2011, at 2:00 PM, aspirito wrote: I love this machine and it's been good to me and I'm wondering what (if any) would be the best way to just give it a bit more oomph as I do video editing for a living and am about to upgrade everything to HD. Works rather well and quickly with the SD footage I've been editing for years, but I'm on a new Mac Pro 2.8 Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon with 6 gigs of memory at work and even THAT can take it's sweet time with the hard core 1920x1080 footage. That should tell you right away that about the only upgrade that will help is lashing a new Mac Pro Quad Core to the back with duct tape. Video editing isn't all that dependent on the video card, paradoxically. Adding more RAM is probably the best thing you can do to improve video editing times. That, or a 15k RPM HDD might help too. But like Bruce I don't think the video card is going to matter much on a PPC Mac. It might be a different story on a Mac Pro IF Grand Central can pass off some of the work from the CPU to the GPU. Honestly though I don't know if it does/can. My 1.8 GHz G5 tower wouldn't handle video worth a damn. Not for editing. So I purchased a G5 Dual 2.3GHz PowerMac, and it does OK. I can do some basic video editing. But, truthfully, my Intel-chipped MacBook Pro does much better. I'll be using both Macs at my workstation, soon. Timo V PowerPC G5x2.3GHz MacBook Pro 13 / Workgroup Server 9650 / Power Macintosh 6500 / Power Macintosh 5500 / Macintosh SE/30 / Macintosh Classic -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
PowerMacG5 Upgrade Question
Greetings, I did do a search for some earlier posts on this but didn't really come across anything specifically that answered my question so I'm hoping to find help here. I've got a Power Mac G5, (Single) 1.8 Ghz, 1.5 Gigs of DDR SDRAM. It's the Power PC 970 2.2 I love this machine and it's been good to me and I'm wondering what (if any) would be the best way to just give it a bit more oomph as I do video editing for a living and am about to upgrade everything to HD. Works rather well and quickly with the SD footage I've been editing for years, but I'm on a new Mac Pro 2.8 Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon with 6 gigs of memory at work and even THAT can take it's sweet time with the hard core 1920x1080 footage. I'm broke so an Intel is out of the question. And though I don't understand video cards that well, it seems that that may be the only shot I have---and I've read a few posts about folks successfully using Flashing PCI cards?? ANY info. you guys may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time!! I'm running FCP Studio 6.6 Best, Anthony S. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMacG5 Upgrade Question
On Jan 11, 2011, at 2:00 PM, aspirito wrote: I love this machine and it's been good to me and I'm wondering what (if any) would be the best way to just give it a bit more oomph as I do video editing for a living and am about to upgrade everything to HD. Works rather well and quickly with the SD footage I've been editing for years, but I'm on a new Mac Pro 2.8 Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon with 6 gigs of memory at work and even THAT can take it's sweet time with the hard core 1920x1080 footage. That should tell you right away that about the only upgrade that will help is lashing a new Mac Pro Quad Core to the back with duct tape. Video editing isn't all that dependent on the video card, paradoxically. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMacG5 Upgrade Question
On 2011/01/11 14:24, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: On Jan 11, 2011, at 2:00 PM, aspirito wrote: I love this machine and it's been good to me and I'm wondering what (if any) would be the best way to just give it a bit more oomph as I do video editing for a living and am about to upgrade everything to HD. Works rather well and quickly with the SD footage I've been editing for years, but I'm on a new Mac Pro 2.8 Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon with 6 gigs of memory at work and even THAT can take it's sweet time with the hard core 1920x1080 footage. That should tell you right away that about the only upgrade that will help is lashing a new Mac Pro Quad Core to the back with duct tape. Video editing isn't all that dependent on the video card, paradoxically. Adding more RAM is probably the best thing you can do to improve video editing times. That, or a 15k RPM HDD might help too. But like Bruce I don't think the video card is going to matter much on a PPC Mac. It might be a different story on a Mac Pro IF Grand Central can pass off some of the work from the CPU to the GPU. Honestly though I don't know if it does/can. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 8 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1 GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMacG5 Upgrade Question
I asked some questions like this last year On 2011/01/11 14:24, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: On Jan 11, 2011, at 2:00 PM, aspirito wrote: I love this machine and it's been good to me and I'm wondering what (if any) would be the best way to just give it a bit more oomph as I do video editing for a living and am about to upgrade everything to HD. Works rather well and quickly with the SD footage I've been editing for years, but I'm on a new Mac Pro 2.8 Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon with 6 gigs of memory at work and even THAT can take it's sweet time with the hard core 1920x1080 footage. That should tell you right away that about the only upgrade that will help is lashing a new Mac Pro Quad Core to the back with duct tape. Video editing isn't all that dependent on the video card, paradoxically. Adding more RAM is probably the best thing you can do to improve video editing times. That, or a 15k RPM HDD might help too. But like Bruce I don't think the video card is going to matter much on a PPC Mac. It might be a different story on a Mac Pro IF Grand Central can pass off some of the work from the CPU to the GPU. Honestly though I don't know if it does/can. My 1.8 GHz G5 tower wouldn't handle video worth a damn. Not for editing. So I purchased a G5 Dual 2.3GHz PowerMac, and it does OK. I can do some basic video editing. But, truthfully, my Intel-chipped MacBook Pro does much better. I'll be using both Macs at my workstation, soon. Timo V PowerPC G5x2.3GHz MacBook Pro 13 / Workgroup Server 9650 / Power Macintosh 6500 / Power Macintosh 5500/Macintosh SE/30/Macintosh Classic -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS X upgrade question
On Jun 18, 8:20 pm, Daniel Stewart daniel.stewart...@gmail.com wrote: I should probably mention that it says on the Software Restore disks that it is compatible with OS 10.1.2 and OS 9.22. Should that give me problems with 104.11? It won't give any problems. You install 10.4, work up to 10.4.11 and then download TinkerTool. You can have the Finder view invisible files and then navigate your way through the disks to pick and choose what you want on your Mac. Just drop everything down in the exact location the restore disk shows (if it says System/Library/ CoreServices that's where it goes on your Mac for example). Then restart so the Mac can read all the stuff you've just thrown in there. Just be careful using this method, because you don't want to overwrite anything important (Like the System/Library/CoreServices folder). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
OS X upgrade question
This may fit under the heading of stupid newbie questions so please be patient with me. My Mac may be 8 years old, but I am really new to the platform. I have a G4 933 mhz Quicksilver. When I bought it had a clean install of OSX 10.5 on it, but no 10.5 disk was included with it. Anyway. The software that came with is the original 'grey' copy of 10.1 , all the original application disks plus a retail copy of 10.2 and I have 10.4 from my old lampshade G4 iMac. Anyway. What I am wondering is if I can start by installing the original OS 10.1 and the original application disks then can I install 10.4 as an upgrade and without affecting the original application installs or should I try loading the original application disks that came with 10.1 after I have 10.4 installed or does it even matter. Basically I want to get 10.4 Tiger installed with the original quicksilver applications installed if possible. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS X upgrade question
On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Scotty wrote: This may fit under the heading of stupid newbie questions so please be patient with me. My Mac may be 8 years old, but I am really new to the platform. I have a G4 933 mhz Quicksilver. When I bought it had a clean install of OSX 10.5 on it, but no 10.5 disk was included with it. Anyway. The software that came with is the original 'grey' copy of 10.1 , all the original application disks plus a retail copy of 10.2 and I have 10.4 from my old lampshade G4 iMac. Anyway. What I am wondering is if I can start by installing the original OS 10.1 and the original application disks then can I install 10.4 as an upgrade and without affecting the original application installs or should I try loading the original application disks that came with 10.1 after I have 10.4 installed or does it even matter. Basically I want to get 10.4 Tiger installed with the original quicksilver applications installed if possible. Just do straight 10.4 and the the updates to 10.4.11. you can skip all the other stuff. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS X upgrade question
I should probably mention that it says on the Software Restore disks that it is compatible with OS 10.1.2 and OS 9.22. Should that give me problems with 104.11? On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 6:59 PM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Scotty wrote: This may fit under the heading of stupid newbie questions so please be patient with me. My Mac may be 8 years old, but I am really new to the platform. I have a G4 933 mhz Quicksilver. When I bought it had a clean install of OSX 10.5 on it, but no 10.5 disk was included with it. Anyway. The software that came with is the original 'grey' copy of 10.1 , all the original application disks plus a retail copy of 10.2 and I have 10.4 from my old lampshade G4 iMac. Anyway. What I am wondering is if I can start by installing the original OS 10.1 and the original application disks then can I install 10.4 as an upgrade and without affecting the original application installs or should I try loading the original application disks that came with 10.1 after I have 10.4 installed or does it even matter. Basically I want to get 10.4 Tiger installed with the original quicksilver applications installed if possible. Just do straight 10.4 and the the updates to 10.4.11. you can skip all the other stuff. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS X upgrade question
On Jun 18, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Daniel Stewart wrote: I should probably mention that it says on the Software Restore disks that it is compatible with OS 10.1.2 and OS 9.22. Should that give me problems with 104.11? Just do straight 10.4 and the the updates to 10.4.11. you can skip all the other stuff. AFAIK you should be able to get the applications from the original disc's. The 9.2.2 is the only thing your Tiger 10.4 for the Lamp Shade doesn't have. Just drag the 9.2.2 stuff to the HDD with the Tiger on it. 9 needs no installation. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Upgrade question for my Dual 533 G4
Hi everyone, I'd like to upgrade by adding Tiger (replacing Panther) CS 2. (replacing photoshop 6) I want to run an updated browser web design software compatible w/ tiger. I know little about computers except creating art in Photoshop,so would appreciate any suggestions. I'm considering a newer Mac if this isn't possible. Below are the specs: Dual 533 MHz Mac G4, 1.12 GB SRAM, L2 Cache: 1 MB (per cpu) - Bus speed: 133 MHz. Memory: up to 1.5 GB Max;+ 128 SRAM This computer is partitioned - 1. OS 9.2.2, 57.26 GB capacity; 35.14 GB available. 2. OSX 10.3.9 Panther Thank you! Mark -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question for my Dual 533 G4
On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Mark mjsteph...@everestkc.net wrote: I'd like to upgrade by adding Tiger (replacing Panther) CS 2. Go right ahead...your system will run Tiger just fine! -- Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade question for my Dual 533 G4
At 11:58 AM -0700 1/23/10, Kasey Smith wrote: On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Mark wrote: Hi everyone, I'd like to upgrade by adding Tiger (replacing Panther) CS 2. (replacing photoshop 6) I want to run an updated browser web design software compatible w/ tiger. I know little about computers except creating art in Photoshop,so would appreciate any suggestions. I'm considering a newer Mac if this isn't possible. Below are the specs: Dual 533 MHz Mac G4, 1.12 GB SRAM, L2 Cache: 1 MB (per cpu) - Bus speed: 133 MHz. Memory: up to 1.5 GB Max;+ 128 SRAM This computer is partitioned - 1. OS 9.2.2, 57.26 GB capacity; 35.14 GB available. 2. OSX 10.3.9 Panther Thank you! Mark You could even do a little poking around and install Leo on there and it would run fine. :D (Leo takes a workaround for under 876MHz G4's, but dual 533MHz might even be faster then an 876MHz...) Tiger will likely run faster for you than Panther on that machine. I have a near identical DA. Leopard should work as well, but it may be a little slower than Tiger. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade Question
On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark Of all the replies I read I didn't see one which questioned why you can't install iMovie 6 on your machine. I have it on my MDD dual 867 and it runs fine. Naturally it will be faster with a faster system (ask Peter Haas about his tests times), but it does run and I edited most of my VHS movie collection on mine and burned DVD using iDVD. I believe FCP6 would require a faster processor however. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Apr 2, 7:04 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: As a media student and semi pro I recommend the G5. As much of one as you can afford. The upgrades are nice and may work but the G5 has a better upgrade future. I agree on getting a better machine. Hard to justify spending half a grand on the old one. For a G5, do we include the liquid cooled models that are beginning to leak and corrode the innards? For the $500 or so, why not consider a used Mac Mini Intel machine, or even a new one? Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Doug Burton slu...@embarqmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark Of all the replies I read I didn't see one which questioned why you can't install iMovie 6 on your machine. I have it on my MDD dual 867 and it runs fine. Naturally it will be faster with a faster system (ask Peter Haas about his tests times), but it does run and I edited most of my VHS movie collection on mine and burned DVD using iDVD. I believe FCP6 would require a faster processor however. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a+subscr...@googlegroups.com ___ It was not a question of could it be done. Many would try to convince us that they run FCP on a classic XBox and prove it. The OP wanted advice on the most cost effective path for a future in a professional video business. Sticking with an old machine is asking for a world of pain and hurt in such an environment. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
Thanks for the link, I've been looking for a hackintosh community, since I've just set up my Toshiba A205-S5803 to be a hackintoshi. Right now I'm running 10.5.6 :) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Doug Burton slu...@embarqmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark Of all the replies I read I didn't see one which questioned why you can't install iMovie 6 on your machine. I have it on my MDD dual 867 and it runs fine. Naturally it will be faster with a faster system (ask Peter Haas about his tests times), but it does run and I edited most of my VHS movie collection on mine and burned DVD using iDVD. I believe FCP6 would require a faster processor however. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a+subscr...@googlegroups.com ___ It was not a question of could it be done. Many would try to convince us that they run FCP on a classic XBox and prove it. The OP wanted advice on the most cost effective path for a future in a professional video business. Sticking with an old machine is asking for a world of pain and hurt in such an environment. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Upgrade Question
I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark President BlackShark Films Inc. 23 Chilton Park Milton, MA 02186 617-298-1591 (o) 857-544-3783(c) (360) 242-7648(f) http://www.blacksharkfilms.com blacksharkfi...@yahoo.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark President BlackShark Films Inc. 23 Chilton Park Milton, MA 02186 617-298-1591 (o) 857-544-3783(c) (360) 242-7648(f) http://www.blacksharkfilms.com blacksharkfi...@yahoo.com This is perilously close to the 'If it ain't broke' place. A G5 would solve the Leopard, leave you with your still functional G4 MAC. Sounds like a Win Win, to me. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Charles Davis wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark President BlackShark Films Inc. 23 Chilton Park Milton, MA 02186 617-298-1591 (o) 857-544-3783(c) (360) 242-7648(f) http://www.blacksharkfilms.com blacksharkfi...@yahoo.com This is perilously close to the 'If it ain't broke' place. A G5 would solve the Leopard, leave you with your still functional G4 MAC. Sounds like a Win Win, to me. More like a Mac Macrimshot -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Charles Davis wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark President BlackShark Films Inc. 23 Chilton Park Milton, MA 02186 617-298-1591 (o) 857-544-3783(c) (360) 242-7648(f) http://www.blacksharkfilms.com blacksharkfi...@yahoo.com This is perilously close to the 'If it ain't broke' place. A G5 would solve the Leopard, leave you with your still functional G4 MAC. Sounds like a Win Win, to me. More like a Mac Macrimshot I think the advise here has been: go get a G5 and not waste money on upgrading a G4. Search the forum... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM, andre stark blacksharkfi...@yahoo.comwrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks __ As a media student and semi pro I recommend the G5. As much of one as you can afford. The upgrades are nice and may work but the G5 has a better upgrade future. Another lister here uses a PC based Mac system to do pro video those also seem to work well at a lower entry cost. Ideally of course an Intel Mac would be best for FCP6. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM, andre stark blacksharkfi...@yahoo.comwrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks There is a powerful G5 on the swap list right now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---