Re: Processor upgrade question, follow-up: LARGEST

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 14, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Milton King 
<crabs...@cox.net<mailto:crabs...@cox.net>> wrote:

Thank You.  I probably asked the wrong question an I was thinking largest 
single processor on a 100 bus.  This old G4 will not do much past email and a 
few web sites.  As you know, all of the browsers are not supported.  My last 
hopeful was Roccat  and not I cannot get it to run on Tiger.  At Any rate,  I 
see some reasonably priced 500 to 733 single core mhz units on some websites.  
Thank you for your informative response.

There’s a version of Firefox kept up-to-date for 10.4 here: 
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Re: Processor upgrade question

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On 2017-08-14 19:06, Milton King wrote:

Thank You.  I probably asked the wrong question an I was thinking largest 
single processor on a 100 bus.  This old G4 will not do much past email and a 
few web sites.  As you know, all of the browsers are not supported.  My last 
hopeful was Roccat  and not I cannot get it to run on Tiger.  At Any rate,  I 
see some reasonably priced 500 to 733 single core mhz units on some websites.  
Thank you for your informative response.

Milt King



You're welcome.Since it's about size (dimensions): yes, you can use any 
single CPU card, provided it is the original small sized one (from 
Apple, original processor). It is preferrable that the heat sink of the 
original CPU will also fit the replacement processor daughter card.If 
you WOULD replace a 7400or 7410 with a 7450, there WOULD BE a slim 
chance that the original heat sink may not be enough, since the newer 
7450-based G4 CPU generally produce more heat. BUT there are two issues 
here, that PREVENT this possibility from actually happening. ONE, the 
heat sink for this replacement CPU from the other PowerMac model will 
not fit on your older PowerMac anyway, so you WOULD BE left with only 
the chance to use the original one.TWO, and that is the real problem: 
ALL 7450-based G4 dautgher cards from Apple have larger dimensions, 
preventing any use of them in older Macs as the Digital Audio, 
Quicksilver, Quicksilver 2002. The other way around is also true: the 
larger Dual processor daugher cards of the earlier Gigabit Ethernet, 
that will fit in all early models including the AGP Graphics, will not 
fit in the later models that came with a redesigned motherboard for the 
7450 processors.


IN ANY CASE, if you use a CPU from a later model with a different bus 
speed, you need to adjust the multiplier on the CPU daughter card. E.g. 
if you use a 533 MHz CPU from a "Digital Audio" with a 133 MHz bus in a 
"AGP Graphics" with a 100 MHz bus, you only get 400 Mhz. That is due to 
the multiplier set to 4:

100 MHz x 4 = 400 MHz
133 MHz x 4 = 533 MHz (skipping the number behind the comma, e.g. 
exactly it would be 133.3 x 4 or so...)


So, using a later CPU in an earlier Mac is possible, but 1) it has to 
fit and 2) the bus multiplier has to be modified for it to work.
I myself did this once: I got a 533 MHz G4 7410 from a "Digital Audio" 
quite cheap on eBay for using it in my original Cube. The Cube had a 450 
MHz 7400. To get the 7410 running at 500 MHz, all I had to do was to 
remove one resistor from the CPU daughter card. That was easy, but it 
may well be the other way around: you might have to add a resistor (or a 
connection, like a wire) to get the correct multiplier. (It was my 
intention to run the Cube with passive cooling, so downclocking the 533 
to 500 MHz was intentional. Otherwise, 550 MHz would have been a good 
option too.)


Concerning the bus multiplier modification, this should be a good 
starting point for you:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/158931-mac-overclocking-database/

Find the correct PLL resisitors. Modify them to your system clock speed. 
You may decide to overclock the CPU a little, there is normally no harm 
in that -- except for heat reasons.


If you are more adventurous, you can also overclock the system bus from 
100 MHz to 133 MHz, but this requires more than one tweak and may be 
unstable since the motherboard hasn't been tested for this higher speed. 
Instabilities (such as freezes and crashes) may occur.

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4ZONE/sawtooth/SawtoothCPUdesign.html

Even if this all sounds very promising, THERE HAS TO BE A WARNING: There 
is absolutely no guarantee that a 7450 series CPU works without any 
modifications to the motherboard/firmware in a Mac designed for a 
7400/7410! BUT normally they should: most third-party CPU upgrade cards 
used a 7447/7448 or 7455/7457 CPU and worked without modification, so 
why not an original Apple CPU?



So, again: All CPUs up to the single Digital Audio 533 will have the 
correct dimension for any Power Mac G4. This is the original small 
daughter card and fits in any Power Mac G4 (except the heatsink will be 
different in later models!).


The Digital Audio 733 as well as the Quicksilver (original 2001 and 
2002) use wider daughter cards, even when single-CPU. They WILL NOT fit 
in any other Power Mac except the Digital Audio and the Quicksilver 
series. The connection PINs are the same, but the dimensions don't fit 
on the motherboard. The same is true for the MDD series: only MDD 
processors (and Xserve G4) will fit into those machines!


So, actually, when going for an original single CPU from Apple, the 533 
is your only option.


A Dual-500 will fit: it is a wider daughter board, but this one will 
only fit into the original AGP Graphics up to and including the Gigabit 
Ethernet. In a Digital Audio it will not fit, as the daughter board is 
to wide on the wrong side. Like the Dual AND si

Re: Processor upgrade question, follow-up: LARGEST

[Mac User #330250]

On 2017-08-14 18:25, Mac User #330250 wrote:

On 2017-08-14 16:51, Milt King wrote:

I have a 350 mhz Mac G4.  What is the
largest processor that I can place on this

^^

motherboard.  This is just a project that I am interested in.


Oh... "largest"...

Answering for an "AGP Graphics" Power Mac G4, I think the largest in 
dimensions are the Dual CPUs from a "Gigabit Ethernet". Starting with 
the "Digital Audio", the processor daughter card was moved on the the 
motherboard to a different location and older Dual CPU daughter cards 
don't fit anymore.


Upgrade cards are build on the smaller Single-CPU dimensioned daughter 
board, so mostly they will work on any G4 Power Mac up to the 
"Quicksilver". Some even work on MDDs ("Mirrored Drive Doors").


Sorry, I got this wrong the first time. I though "fastest"...

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Re: Processor upgrade question

[Mac User #330250]

On 2017-08-14 16:51, Milt King wrote:

I have a 350 mhz Mac G4.  What is the largest processor that I can place on this
motherboard.  This is just a project that I am interested in.

Milt King


Oh may, this is going to be expensive!

From the top of my head, the answer is: A Dual-1.8 GHz G4, but it 
depends if your motherboard has a Uni-North ASIC revision of 7 or above. 
Some older original "AGP Graphics" i.e. PowerMac3,1 had a lower revision.


If it's the predecessor "PCI Graphics" i.e. PowerMac1,2: don't bother... 
You would need a ZIF socket upgrade, and those are the rarest among the 
rare. Also I've heard that this specific motherboard design had issues 
with higher speeds, so you wouldn't want to go that route anyway. But 
maybe I'm mixing this up with the first versions of the motherboard, 
when it still used a G3 processor (with the same ZIF socket)...


Those would be your options (PCI Graphics only!): 
http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/by_system/powermac_g4.html



Anyway, from "AGP Graphics" i.e. PowerMac3,1 onward, first check the 
Uni-North revision, as described here: 
http://www.newertech.com/tech_support/uni-north.php


If the Uni-North revision is lower than 7, you can always use a 
single-CPU upgrade. I believe there was a Single-2.0 GHz G4 CPU upgrade 
also (overclocked 1.8 GHz CPU), but they are very very very rare. And 
expensive too!


Also keep in mind that a fast CPU will not compensate for the general 
motherboard design. The bus speed of the G4 Power Macs was at a very 
slow 100 to 167 MHz. That is okay if the processor speed is equally low, 
like at 350 MHz. But the faster the CPU, the more you'll realize that 
the CPU will just sit there, wait for data to process but since the bus 
isn't able to shift the data to the processor quickly, the fast CPU will 
mostly be waiting on the bus.


BTW, I just did the research: a 350 MHz G4 is either a "PCI Graphics" 
PowerMac1,2 (ZIF socket!) or a "AGP Graphics" PowerMac3,1, both from 
1999 (produced and sold till 2000). All later models, like the "Gigabit 
Ethernet" PowerMac3,3 from 2000, had higher CPU speeds.


So it's either this: 
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_350.html
Or this: 
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_350_agp.html


Anyway, for an AGP based PowerMac, those are your options:
http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/by_system/powermac_g4_st.html

In general, this is what everymac.com has to say about G4 CPU upgrades:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/faq/power-mac-g4-how-to-upgrade-processor-zif-agp-mdd.html

Good luck!

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Processor upgrade question

[Milt King]

I have a 350 mhz Mac G4.  What is the largest processor that I can place on 
this motherboard.  This is just a project that I am interested in.

Milt King

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Re: Question

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From: Kris Tilford <ktilfo...@cox.net> 
Date: 3/23/17  8:40 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: Question 

On Mar 23, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Bruce Johnson <john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu> wrote:

You’ll need an appropriate device with a SCSI interface; an old PowerPC mac 
would work just fine, then copy it over the network to the Linux box as files, 
burn to DVD on linux box.  Easy.
The Orb 2.2 also came in a parallel port version. There are cheap 
parallel-to-USB adapter cables. It ‘might’ be possible to use this directly 
with the Linux or Windows machine if you had the correct drivers for both the 
Orb, the USB adapter cable. Then again, it might not work.
Machines from that era are cheap. An old power mac with a scsi card and dvd 
burner. Read data and burn it to dvd.  

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Re: Question

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On Mar 23, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
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> You’ll need an appropriate device with a SCSI interface; an old PowerPC mac 
> would work just fine, then copy it over the network to the Linux box as 
> files, burn to DVD on linux box.  Easy.

The Orb 2.2 also came in a parallel port version. There are cheap 
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with the Linux or Windows machine if you had the correct drivers for both the 
Orb, the USB adapter cable. Then again, it might not work.

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Re: Question

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On Mar 23, 2017, at 10:16 AM, NODEraser 
<nodera...@gmail.com<mailto:nodera...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:12 AM, paulcefo 
<paulc...@buffalo.edu<mailto:paulc...@buffalo.edu>> wrote:

My question: does anyone have a path to get my data from these ORB 2.2GB
disks to one or more DVDROM that could be mounted on the Linux machine.

I appreciate that there may be differences between the file formats from the
ORB disks and those readable on the Linux machine.


The hardest part would probably be finding someone with a drive to
read them; the rest is fairly easy.


Amazingly drives seem relatively cheap and plentiful on fleabay.

<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Castlewood-ORB-2-2-GB-External-Drive-ORB2SE00/232277466497?_trksid=p2385738.c100677.m4598&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Dd0392cb3d19b4d45a8e71b4bc5d4d982%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201841279514<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Castlewood-ORB-2-2-GB-External-Drive-ORB2SE00/232277466497?_trksid=p2385738.c100677.m4598&_trkparms=aid=222007=SIC.MBE=1=20160908110712=d0392cb3d19b4d45a8e71b4bc5d4d982=100677=4=6=201841279514>>

You’ll need an appropriate device with a SCSI interface; an old PowerPC mac 
would work just fine, then copy it over the network to the Linux box as files, 
burn to DVD on linux box.  Easy.

“Easy”, he says, mockingly, because he’s gone down badger holes like this 
before and has the scars to prove it… :-)

But that would be my approach if I had to do this. I have a bunch of old 
Syquest 135 mb disks laying about. I think my old drives work, just don’t have 
a Mac with SCSI running right now to read them.

About once every couple of months we get a plea on our campus-wide IT list:

“Does anyone have any [insert name of long obsolete storage device] we have 
some [insert name of media for the long obsolete storage device]’s that we need 
to recover data from.”

More broadly this kind of issue is an ongoing slow motion catastrophe in the 
world; we’re losing old data at a vastly accelerated rate compared to the rest 
of human history. We have stuff from the dawn of the invention of writing, 5000 
years ago, that we can read…we have data tapes from 1975 that we cannot.

Nothing we’ve ever created with computers come close to even the longevity of a 
well made book.

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Re: Question

[NODEraser]

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:12 AM, paulcefo <paulc...@buffalo.edu> wrote:
>
> My question: does anyone have a path to get my data from these ORB 2.2GB
> disks to one or more DVDROM that could be mounted on the Linux machine.
>
> I appreciate that there may be differences between the file formats from the
> ORB disks and those readable on the Linux machine.
>

The hardest part would probably be finding someone with a drive to
read them; the rest is fairly easy.


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Question

[paulcefo]

All,

I have some ORB 2.2GB Disks by Castlewood.  They were written from a 
desktop Mac in the late 1990s using an external burner drive.


Today i use a Windows laptop and a desktop Linux machine. The laptop 
runs  Vista and the Linux machine runs Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.


My question: does anyone have a path to get my data from these ORB 2.2GB 
disks to one or more DVDROM that could be mounted on the Linux machine.


I appreciate that there may be differences between the file formats from 
the ORB disks and those readable on the Linux machine.


Thanks in advance.


Paul Cefola



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On 03/23/2017 11:42 am, Dan Cottler wrote:

hey LEM Dan,

As you’ve read, Beverly, your LEM Swap list nanny, and I are having a
dispute over what can be sold on LEM Swap.  I copied to you one of my
responses to her but haven’t heard back from you.  In order to
continue with things, I need your “ruling”…. At this point, she has
moderated me and then not bothered to respond to my previous two
emails.  After nearly a DECADE in good standing on LEM Swap, I find
this treatment to be unacceptable.


Beverly has accused me of being a dealer.

Beyond the fact that there are quite a few dealers regularly dumping
merch on LEM Swap without being hassled,,, I am NOT a dealer.  Because
of health issues, my small consulting & Mac repair biz was closed over
a year and a half ago and I’m now living in a nursing home.  I have
+/- six months to liquidate everything before my old landlord feeds it
to a dumpster.  I cannot use CraigsList so I am hoping to sell most of
the stuff to my friends on LEM Swap.  …  software, old Macs, Mac
parts, HDs, mounting hardware & screws, cables, displays, printers,
disc burners, laserwriter fusers & toner carts, inkjet carts,
floppies, floppy labels, CD DVD & Blu-Ray blanks, disc labels, disc
sleeves, jewel boxes, etc.


Beverly’s next complaint was about me selling disc sleeves because
they’re not "related goods".

The faq says:
“LEM Swap is Low End Mac’s Google Group for buying and selling Mac OS
computers and related goods.”

IMO, like blank discs, labels, and jewel boxes, they *are* __Related
Goods__. These items are all must-haves to burn discs ON YOUR MAC.
Additionally, a few years ago, I WAS PERMITTED to sell such on LEM
Swap with no problem.

Your FAQ goes on to say items like digital cameras are not acceptable
because they are standalone items that are unrelated to Macs.  That’s
fine.  But the supplies I have are NOT stand-alone items.  They’re
useless to anyone that doesn’t have a burner connected to their Mac.
They’re PART of using a disc burner on a Mac.  Likewise, am I going to
have the same problem with selling disc blanks?  Floppy discs?
Labels? ...


Beverly then complained that I was obtaining products for resale.

I bought the first brick from my old wholesaler (a mac-only warehouse;
yes, I still have friend/relationships with several wholesalers)
because I needed some for myself.  I offered the remainder on LEM
Swap.  Within an hour, all that I had were sold out!  Then a strange
thing happened - quite a few people blindly paypal’d money to me,
expecting that it would be ok, and I would simply fill their orders.
I emailed them, offering to refund the money — but they said they’d
prefer to wait, while I got more.  My wholesaler said he’d honor the
same price, so I got two more bricks.  And now I’m stuck with 2/3 of a
brick because Beverly deleted the 2nd ad!  ..The wholesaler actually
wants me to buy the rest of the palette heh.

I expect, just as it happened a few years ago, that if I offer disc
blanks on LEM Swap, the same thing will happen.

The people on LEM Swap are hungry for these items at the prices I’m
able to provide.  Why is this a problem?


Thanks,
- Dan (in NJ).

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an iPhone 3 question: sorry about that

[Murray Woods]

I would appreciate someone redirecting me to the correct forum. My  
iPhone 3 (?) has all of a sudden stopped receiving mail on my home  
wireless connection, although it still sends it and Safari works.


Mea culpa, about the forum.

Murray Woods

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Re: an iPhone 3 question: sorry about that

[Fabian Fang]

On Dec 7, 2013, at 6:33 AM, Murray Woods wrote:

 I would appreciate someone redirecting me to the correct forum. My iPhone 3 
 (?) has all of a sudden stopped receiving mail on my home wireless 
 connection, although it still sends it and Safari works.
 
 Mea culpa, about the forum.


Apple Support Communities, formerly Apple Discussions, have forums for 
everything Apple, including iPhones:
https://discussions.apple.com/community/iphone

There are also countless other iPhone forums.  Do a Google or similar search 
for yourself.

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Re: an iPhone 3 question: sorry about that

[Charles Lenington]

On 12/7/13 8:33 AM, Murray Woods wrote:

I would appreciate someone redirecting me to the correct forum. My
iPhone 3 (?) has all of a sudden stopped receiving mail on my home
wireless connection, although it still sends it and Safari works.

Mea culpa, about the forum.

Murray Woods




this is a fairly active goup


http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/apple-iphone/info



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Quick Question

[Gary D.]

Hi all,

I have just installed 10.8.3 for the first time and it takes up a lot of 
space. There is a file at private  var  vm with the name sleepimage 
that is 4 GB in size. Anyone know what that is? Can I delete it? There is 
also an Install OS X Mountain Lion.app in the appllication folder. Do I 
need that too?

Thanks in advance,

Gary

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Re: Quick Question

[Dan]

At 6:16 AM -0700 04/04/2013, Gary D. wrote:
I have just installed 10.8.3 for the first time and it takes up a 
lot of space. There is a file at private  var  vm with the name 
sleepimage that is 4 GB in size. Anyone know what that is? Can I 
delete it?


That contains a complete copy of your memory.  It's created by the OS 
when it goes into a deep sleep.  The complete copy is required 
because at that point, the Mac essentially turns itself off.  When 
you wake it up, memory is quickly reloaded from that file.  You can 
get rid of it by disabling deep sleep.


There is also an Install OS X Mountain Lion.app in the 
appllication folder. Do I need that too?


You can delete that.  Good idea to make a backup of it first, just in case.

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Re: Quick Question, i.e., Mountain Lion Installation Copy

[ROBERT H. BAUCOM]

My Apple Pro  Tower came with Mounting Lie-un Installed. There is no Install 
OS X Mountain Lion.app on my hard disk Drive. How can I get an Install OS X 
Mountain Lion CD (or DVD if need be) without paying FULL RETAIL ? 

BTW, I hate this downloading of any software. without a provision to make or 
buy a CD copy. I paid an extra $10.00 to get a CD copy of the Nisus Writer Pro 
2.0.4 Up Grade … which I still haven't received.
RHB
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animalsexcept weasels.
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On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:

 At 6:16 AM -0700 04/04/2013, Gary D. wrote:
 I have just installed 10.8.3 for the first time and it takes up a lot of 
 space. There is a file at private  var  vm with the name sleepimage 
 that is 4 GB in size. Anyone know what that is? Can I delete it?
 
 That contains a complete copy of your memory.  It's created by the OS when it 
 goes into a deep sleep.  The complete copy is required because at that point, 
 the Mac essentially turns itself off.  When you wake it up, memory is quickly 
 reloaded from that file.  You can get rid of it by disabling deep sleep.
 
 There is also an Install OS X Mountain Lion.app in the appllication 
 folder. Do I need that too?
 
 You can delete that.  Good idea to make a backup of it first, just in case.
 
 - Dan.
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[Closing Thread] Re: Quick Question, i.e., Mountain Lion Installation Copy

[Fabian Fang]

Discussions about Mountain Lion OS and Apple Pro Tower, whether just a Quick 
Question, or as hijacked thread, are way Off-Topic for the G-Group.  

This thread is hereby declared closed.  Please move further messages to the LEM 
MacIntel Group and send comments directly to me.

Fabian Fang
LEM G-Group Manager



On Apr 4, 2013, at 8:25 AM, ROBERT H. BAUCOM wrote:

 My Apple Pro  Tower came with Mounting Lie-un Installed. There is no Install 
 OS X Mountain Lion.app on my hard disk Drive. How can I get an Install OS X 
 Mountain Lion CD (or DVD if need be) without paying FULL RETAIL ? 
 
 BTW, I hate this downloading of any software. without a provision to make or 
 buy a CD copy. I paid an extra $10.00 to get a CD copy of the Nisus Writer 
 Pro 2.0.4 Up Grade … which I still haven't received.
 RHB
 Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other 
 animalsexcept weasels.
 ~ Homer Simpson, Animated Cartoon Character.
 
 On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 At 6:16 AM -0700 04/04/2013, Gary D. wrote:
 I have just installed 10.8.3 for the first time and it takes up a lot of 
 space. There is a file at private  var  vm with the name sleepimage 
 that is 4 GB in size. Anyone know what that is? Can I delete it?
 
 That contains a complete copy of your memory.  It's created by the OS when 
 it goes into a deep sleep.  The complete copy is required because at that 
 point, the Mac essentially turns itself off.  When you wake it up, memory is 
 quickly reloaded from that file.  You can get rid of it by disabling deep 
 sleep.
 
 There is also an Install OS X Mountain Lion.app in the appllication 
 folder. Do I need that too?
 
 You can delete that.  Good idea to make a backup of it first, just in case.
 
 - Dan.
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Re: Quick Question, i.e., Mountain Lion Installation Copy

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 4, 2013, at 8:25 AM, ROBERT H. BAUCOM rbt...@owc.net wrote:

 My Apple Pro  Tower came with Mounting Lie-un Installed. There is no Install 
 OS X Mountain Lion.app on my hard disk Drive. How can I get an Install OS X 
 Mountain Lion CD (or DVD if need be) without paying FULL RETAIL ? 


You have an OS Repair partition (if you hold down the Option key while booting 
you cna see it). 

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4718?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US


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Print spool question?

[Kris Tilford]

I had a receipt webpage that was generated as the result of a payment.  
I normally keep generated receipts as .pdf files by printing as Save  
to PDF…. I accidentally pressed Print instead of Save to PDF… and  
then closed the browser window, so the generated page no longer  
exists, I think it was a pop-up window?. The printer was turned off,  
so the page never printed, but is most likely cached in the printer  
spooler. Is there any way to retrieve this receipt as a PDF file? I'm  
on a G5 w/10.5.8 and an HP PSC1210 printer. I suspect I'd need to  
print the page and then scan it to PDF, rather than being able to  
locate the stored file which isn't a PDF.


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Re: Print spool question?

[JoeTaxpayer]

Yes, I'd bet you'll see it there, but only for printing. Good news is that 
you still have the receipt, most likely. 

On Saturday, December 15, 2012 12:01:59 AM UTC-5, Kris Tilford wrote:

  but is most likely cached in the printer   
 spooler. 


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Re: Linux question

[James Knight]

Im a slackware friend, but slackintosh hasn't had a release in 4 years. Might 
be dead.

Sent from my mobile device.

On Nov 16, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Jesse StJohn jesselorenstj...@gmail.com wrote:

 try slackintosh, decent slackware derivative for ppc. or lfs..
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ben Kernan bkpro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently 
 running 10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what 
 freeware would work with it,if any is available. This would be an educational 
 tool for me as I have a 24 iMac.
 I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package for 
 Linux...
 
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Re: Long video cable question

[Ángel Villodre López]

What model number is it?

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Re: Linux question

[Jesse StJohn]

its(slackware 14 being ported to ppc) actually in development at this
moment,  trust me i know those guys they are pretty close , a lot of intel
specifics needs to be removed and personally i think slack 14 to be
bloated, hell it has been bloated since 10. a nice  real slack distro thats
not full of crap would be amazing.

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:09 AM, James Knight dr.james.kni...@gmail.comwrote:

 Im a slackware friend, but slackintosh hasn't had a release in 4 years.
 Might be dead.

 Sent from my mobile device.

 On Nov 16, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Jesse StJohn jesselorenstj...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 try slackintosh, decent slackware derivative for ppc. or lfs..


 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ben Kernan bkpro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently
 running 10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what
 freeware would work with it,if any is available. This would be an
 educational tool for me as I have a 24 iMac.
 I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package
 for Linux...

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Re: Linux question

[M Christol]

On 11/15/12 9:58 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

Was there an A/UX version of Photoshop?

No. It ran under the Finder on the Mac side.


found it - not A/UX, it ran on Solaris.

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Re: Linux question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 15, 2012, at 5:36 PM, M Christol wrote:

 n 11/15/12 5:28 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 
 
 Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both 
 sides of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on the 
 BSD line (why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there) but A/UX, 
 Apples FIRST Unix, was a System V-based system.
 
 Was there an A/UX version of Photoshop?

I don't think so.

 There was some kind of unix version

Of Photoshop? I'm unaware of any. There was a unix version of Adobe's old long 
document software, FrameMaker? It was very expensive.


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Re: Linux question

[peterhaas]

 Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both
 sides of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on
 the BSD line (why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there)

Apple discloses this lineage in OS X pretty plainly.

List the extensions and you will find BSDKernel. It may, indeed, be
the mach_kernel, but it is called what it is, and it has UC Regents
copyrights going back to before there every was a Macintosh in Steve Jobs'
vision.



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Re: Linux question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:39 AM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:

 
 Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both
 sides of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on
 the BSD line (why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there)
 
 Apple discloses this lineage in OS X pretty plainly.
 
 List the extensions and you will find BSDKernel. It may, indeed, be
 the mach_kernel, but it is called what it is, and it has UC Regents
 copyrights going back to before there every was a Macintosh in Steve Jobs'
 vision.

Well it's more than a little convoluted. Mach was developed at Carnegie Mellon 
as a drop-in replacement kernel for Unix; in their case, BSD unix, since BSD 
was the de-facto standard for academic CS research; later developers of BSD 
adopted Mach as the standard BSD kernel.
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Re: Linux question

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Linux question
Date:Friday, 16. November 2012
From:Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com
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 There is some BSD code in the kernel, but the userland is BSD, so that is
 probably where much of the credit is owed.

Well, according to Wikipedia, the kernel is a hybrid. It is partly a March 3.0 
microkernel and partly a (originally) 4.3BSD monolithic kernel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU

Cheers,
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Re: Linux question

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Linux question
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From:Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com
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 Itanic …

The newest Itanium seems to be an improvement:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20121108235552_HP_Triples_Performance_of_New_Mission_Critical_Servers_with_New_Itanium_Chips.html

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Re: Linux question

[Cameron Kaiser]

  Itanic
 
 The newest Itanium seems to be an improvement:

It can hardly be worse (well, it could; it could be a respray of Merced).
Still, this was a case where HP got too far ahead of itself; compiler
technology still doesn't do a good job with EPIC-VLIW instruction sets,
and the hard limit of one instruction per cycle hasn't really been all
that bad in practise as CPUs get more efficient and more of them exist
in one system.

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Linux question

[Ben Kernan]

I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently running 
10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what freeware would 
work with it,if any is available. This would be an educational tool for me as I 
have a 24 iMac. 
I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package for 
Linux...

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Re: Linux question

[James Knight]

If you upgraded the video, consider lubuntu. Otherwise xubuntu might be your 
best bet. Many people enjoy mintppc. 

Check out

http://powerpcliberation.blogspot.com/
http://mac.linux.be/
http://ppcluddite.blogspot.com/

For more info. Ubuntu basds installs may be a bit more bug free. Mint has a 
good forum support network.

Please report back on your decision and findings.

I'll let someone else chime in on educational stuff. Google tells me there is a 
ton.

-doc jimbo

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On Nov 15, 2012, at 5:34 AM, Ben Kernan bkpro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently 
 running 10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what 
 freeware would work with it,if any is available. This would be an educational 
 tool for me as I have a 24 iMac. 
 I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package for 
 Linux...
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Linux question

[M Christol]

Here's some
http://penguinppc.org/about-2/distributions/
From the installation there should be some method to install 
productivity software but I am not sure how far back that goes.

Hope you have plenty of hair to pull out.


On 11/15/12 5:34 AM, Ben Kernan wrote:

I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently running 10.4 on 
the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what freeware would work with it,if 
any is available. This would be an educational tool for me as I have a 24 iMac.
I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package for 
Linux...

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Linux question

[Clark Martin]

Sent from an iPhone, don't ask whose.

On Nov 15, 2012, at 2:34 AM, Ben Kernan bkpro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently 
 running 10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what 
 freeware would work with it,if any is available. This would be an educational 
 tool for me as I have a 24 iMac. 
 I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package for 
 Linux...

I've tried several and found Ubuntu to be my favorite. But be careful of the 
version. I think I'm running 10.04 on my Sawtooth. On a PC I tried updating to 
the latest and lost support for the video card so I had to reinstall the older 
version. It really should check for that. 

Most software for Linux is (more or less) freeware. 

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Re: Linux question

[M Christol]

On 11/15/12 12:42 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

Most software for Linux is (more or less) freeware.

You will likely use 'yum' commands to load software.

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Re: Linux question

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Linux question
Date:Thursday, 15. November 2012
From:Ben Kernan bkpro...@yahoo.com
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 I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently
 running 10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what
 freeware would work with it,if any is available. This would be an
 educational tool for me as I have a 24 iMac. I seem to remember something
 called Stone Suite as an early s/w package for Linux...

First of all: what’s wrong with continuing to run 10.4 Tiger on a Mac? I still 
run Tiger on mine, and with TenFourFox even Internet is possible (without Java 
that is). I additionally use NoScript, so I don’t see so much of a security 
problem here.

Second, Linux is different. There is no “stable” API for applications, so there 
are almost non. In other words: you just don’t find very much commertial 
software for Linux due to this fact. What you do find will propably only work 
on Ubuntu and maybe some others (like Fedora/RedHat, openSUSE/SLES, …) *on* 
*x86* but not on ppc/ppc64 or any other architecture (ARM, MIPS, Alpha, SPARC, 
…).

The term “Freeware” is wrong in this context.
Normally you speak of Freeware when there is a proprietary (closed source) 
i.e. commercial-like application that is given away for free. Like OnyX.

But Linux mostly provides _o_pen _s_ource _s_oftware, “OSS”. Mozilla Firefox 
and VLC are such examples. They are available on a variety of operating 
systems, like Windows, OS X, Linux… even iOS and Android.

Other OSS is only available on/for Linux. Like some filesystem drivers or 
system applications.

BTW, CUPS, the Common Unix Printing System, which was also used in Mac OS X 
since the early days is also the standard Linux printing solution. It was 
bought by Apple, and now every Linux computer uses OSS that is “Apple, Inc.” 
branded. Fun, if you think of it.

Apple itself also uses a lot of OSS in the depth of Mac OS X. Just the GUI, 
“Aqua”, and the applications are closed source by Apple.
Even the browser uses OSS: WebKit.


Anyway, I am thinking that most modern Linux distributions got bloated. I use 
Gentoo Linux, and I decided to go with KDE, but this is a no-go on a Power Mac 
with 400 MHz. It will feel even worse than Leopard.

So I found this:
http://justaguythinkingblog.blogspot.co.at/2012/04/alternative-os-for-older-
powerpc-macs.html

And I can second that. I’d go for a lightweight Linux (more precisely: Window 
Manager, like: KDE, Gnome, Xfce, LXDE, …) on an older Power Mac, just like I 
would prefer Tiger over Leopard.


Other links, that may be of interest:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-pmac/index.html
http://penguinppc.org/
http://mac.linux.be/content/apple-powerpc-wiki

So, my advice: “Forget Lion, Give MintPPC Linux a Try” (scoll down a bit):
http://lowendmac.com/misc/11mr/mb0516.html#6

Get it:
http://www.mintppc.org/

Although, I have to admit: I didn’t try MintPPC.
Instead, I tried Gentoo:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc.xml
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-ppc-faq.xml
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Apple_Power_Mac_G4_Quicksilver_(M8493)

You can even boot a live system from a USB pen drive:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/LiveUSB_on_PPC

But first, you need to get into “command line editing”, and get Gentoo there:
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml


Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250


p.s. Forget that I even mentioned Gentoo Linux. Go for MintPPC! (No command 
line editing there!)
If it really must be Ubuntu, use the 10.04 LTS (i.e. long time support) 
version, that will be supported until April 2013 or 12.04 LTS until April 
2017. You see the problem with 10.04?
And I advice a slimmer Window Manager (i.e. GUI), like Gnome 2 (Mint uses 
this) or Xfce (Xubuntu) or LXDE (Lubuntu).
Also, be adviced that PPC support for Ubuntu is not official!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)

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Re: Linux question

[peterhaas]

 Apple itself also uses a lot of OSS in the depth of Mac OS X. Just the
 GUI, “Aqua”, and the applications are closed source by Apple.
 Even the browser uses OSS: WebKit.

Indeed so, including much of the OS X kernel, which predates the founding
of Apple Inc (formerly Apple Computer Inc) by several years.

Just invoke, say, on a Hackintosh, OS X using the -v (verbose) boot
option, and you will immediately see the BSD (Berkeley Standard
Distribution) copyright, Copyright by The Regents of The University of
California, and an exhaustive list of copyright years, many of which
pre-date the founding of Apple itself.

Apple Inc chose to encrypt its copy of the BSD kernel, but knowledgeable
hackers soon discovered the decryption key, often termed The Poem, which
allows a Hackintosh to decrypt Apple Inc's OS X kernel. ANY OF THEM!

Indeed, the stability of Apple Inc's OS X kernel has allowed the VERY easy
generation of derivative kernels, for, say, Intel Atom processors (all OS
X versions, certainly up to and including 10.8) or for, say, Pentium 4
processors (OS X versions up to and including 10.6), and, sometimes, for
non-Intel processors, say, AMD processors.

It should perhaps come as no surprise that many of these efforts come from
off-shore nations, where Apple Inc's products are deemed too expensive,
or even exorbitantly expensive, yet the somewhat simple (i.e. Intel chip
sets and processors), and often somewhat difficult (i.e., AMD chip sets
and processors), so-called hacks have, indeed, been accomplished.

Just Google it!




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Re: Linux question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 15, 2012, at 2:29 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:

 
 Apple itself also uses a lot of OSS in the depth of Mac OS X. Just the
 GUI, “Aqua”, and the applications are closed source by Apple.
 Even the browser uses OSS: WebKit.
 
 Indeed so, including much of the OS X kernel, which predates the founding
 of Apple Inc (formerly Apple Computer Inc) by several years.
 
 Just invoke, say, on a Hackintosh, OS X using the -v (verbose) boot
 option, and you will immediately see the BSD (Berkeley Standard
 Distribution) copyright, Copyright by The Regents of The University of
 California, and an exhaustive list of copyright years, many of which
 pre-date the founding of Apple itself.

Well according to the canonical listing of the Unix Family Tree, 
(http://www.levenez.com/unix/) BSD1 dates to 1978; so Apple Predates BSD, 
although ATT Unix predates Apple by several years.

Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both sides 
of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on the BSD line 
(why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there) but A/UX, Apples 
FIRST Unix, was a System V-based system.

The opnly other one I'm familiar with is HP's HPUX, which was a frankenunix 
cobbled together from the corpses of HP's original workstation versions (based 
on System V)  and Apollo's (based on BSD) when HP swallowed them up. shudder 
Burn it. Burn it with fire! Commands were an unpredicatble mix of BSD and SysV 
syntax.


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Re: Linux question

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

On 11/15/12 1:28 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Nov 15, 2012, at 2:29 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:



Apple itself also uses a lot of OSS in the depth of Mac OS X. Just the
GUI, “Aqua”, and the applications are closed source by Apple.
Even the browser uses OSS: WebKit.


Indeed so, including much of the OS X kernel, which predates the founding
of Apple Inc (formerly Apple Computer Inc) by several years.

Just invoke, say, on a Hackintosh, OS X using the -v (verbose) boot
option, and you will immediately see the BSD (Berkeley Standard
Distribution) copyright, Copyright by The Regents of The University of
California, and an exhaustive list of copyright years, many of which
pre-date the founding of Apple itself.


Well according to the canonical listing of the Unix Family Tree, 
(http://www.levenez.com/unix/) BSD1 dates to 1978; so Apple Predates BSD, 
although ATT Unix predates Apple by several years.

Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both sides 
of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on the BSD line 
(why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there) but A/UX, Apples 
FIRST Unix, was a System V-based system.

The opnly other one I'm familiar with is HP's HPUX, which was a frankenunix cobbled 
together from the corpses of HP's original workstation versions (based on System V)  
and Apollo's (based on BSD) when HP swallowed them up. shudder Burn it. Burn 
it with fire! Commands were an unpredicatble mix of BSD and SysV syntax.



And, believe it or not, there was a time (mid-90's) when Apple was 
actually developing their own flavor of linux, called MKLinux.


Stephen

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Re: Linux question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar sbod...@gci.net wrote:

 The opnly other one I'm familiar with is HP's HPUX, which was a frankenunix 
 cobbled together from the corpses of HP's original workstation versions 
 (based on System V)  and Apollo's (based on BSD) when HP swallowed them up. 
 shudder Burn it. Burn it with fire! Commands were an unpredicatble mix of 
 BSD and SysV syntax.
 
 
 And, believe it or not, there was a time (mid-90's) when Apple was actually 
 developing their own flavor of linux, called MKLinux.

I'd plumb forgot about that! 

And now I remember it was that project which caught the eye of one Avi 
Tevanian, who was an OS programmer who had graduated from the CS program at 
Carnegie, where the concept of a mickrokernel-based unix had originated (which 
is what the 'MK' part stood for), and he brought it to the attention of his 
boss, a guy named Steve, who had had a passing involvement with Apple at one 
time… 

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Re: Linux question

[Cameron Kaiser]

 And, believe it or not, there was a time (mid-90's) when Apple was 
 actually developing their own flavor of linux, called MKLinux.

I have the last MkLinux disc here. It's Linux. :) Might be interesting to
get that off the ground again for Old World Macs one day.

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Re: Linux question

[Cameron Kaiser]

 The opnly other one I'm familiar with is HP's HPUX,

AIX is notionally a SysV derivative, but its userland swings both ways --
both SysV and BSD options and commands are generally acceptable.

I was a sysadmin for HP-UX and AIX systems back in the day. I liked PA-RISC;
it was a very clean big RISC, even cleaner in some ways than PowerPC and
prototypical MIPS. I was sorry to see it become another casualty of the
Itanic. I still have a C8000 workstation in my office, the last of the PA-RISC
workstations (HP-UX 11i), and an HP 9000/350 (HP-UX 8). I also inherited an
Apollo 425t but I haven't fired it up yet, so I don't know if it's HP-UX or
DomainOS on it.

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Re: Linux question

[Jerry Kemp]

Apple doesn't use the BSD kernel, Apple uses the Mach kernel, both for
OS X and for the iPhone OS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)

Apple uses the BSD userland in OS X and a reduced subset of the BSD
userland on the iPhone.

I understand that many iPhone jailbreakers install a full, replacement
BSD userland as part of the jailbreak process.  Please correct me on
this part if you have more details.

Jerry


On 11/15/12 03:29 PM,
 

 
 Apple Inc chose to encrypt its copy of the BSD kernel, but knowledgeable
 hackers soon discovered the decryption key, often termed The Poem, which
 allows a Hackintosh to decrypt Apple Inc's OS X kernel. ANY OF THEM!
 

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Re: Linux question

[M Christol]

On 11/15/12 5:28 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



Also Apple is one of the few companies to have produced version on both sides 
of the Great Schism; between System V and BSD. OS X is based on the BSD line 
(why the Califoria Board Of Regents copyrights are there) but A/UX, Apples 
FIRST Unix, was a System V-based system.


Was there an A/UX version of Photoshop?
There was some kind of unix version





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Re: Linux question

[peterhaas]

 Apple doesn't use the BSD kernel, Apple uses the Mach kernel, both for
 OS X and for the iPhone OS.

Perhaps true, but Apple Inc acknowledges The Regents of The University of
California's copyrights, within the kernel itself, and possibly other
components.



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Re: Linux question

[Cameron Kaiser]

  Apple doesn't use the BSD kernel, Apple uses the Mach kernel, both for
  OS X and for the iPhone OS.
 
 Perhaps true, but Apple Inc acknowledges The Regents of The University of
 California's copyrights, within the kernel itself, and possibly other
 components.

There is some BSD code in the kernel, but the userland is BSD, so that is
probably where much of the credit is owed.

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Re: Linux question

[Cameron Kaiser]

 Was there an A/UX version of Photoshop?

No. It ran under the Finder on the Mac side.

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Re: Linux question

[Jesse StJohn]

try slackintosh, decent slackware derivative for ppc. or lfs..


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ben Kernan bkpro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have a g-4 400 (sawtooth ?),1gig ram w/12  40 gig drives. Currently
 running 10.4 on the 40. What flavor Linux could I put on the 12,  what
 freeware would work with it,if any is available. This would be an
 educational tool for me as I have a 24 iMac.
 I seem to remember something called Stone Suite as an early s/w package
 for Linux...

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Long video cable question

[vern9]

Hi there,


I am looking to move an Aluminum Apple Cinema Display 21 at least 15 -

20 feet away from my G5. The further away the better. However I would

like to keep the usb and firewire port functioning on the display. Does

anyone have any insights in what I might need and where I might find such a 
cable?

Thanks for any help in advance!

Claudia

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Migration Assistant question

[Roger Faulkner]

Just finished moving the content of a G4 emac to an Intel iMac. Files, apps
and documents all moved as planned but none of the data. No bookmarks in
any of the browsers or data used by various applications.

These can be rebuilt but it will be a pain.

Suggestions?

TIA

-Roger

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Re: Migration Assistant question

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

Which version of OS on the G4 and which on the iMac?

Stephen

On 3/11/12 4:25 PM, Roger Faulkner wrote:

Just finished moving the content of a G4 emac to an Intel iMac. Files,
apps and documents all moved as planned but none of the data. No
bookmarks in any of the browsers or data used by various applications.

These can be rebuilt but it will be a pain.

Suggestions?

TIA

-Roger


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Re: Migration Assistant question

[Roger Faulkner]

G4 = 10.4.11
G5 = 10.6

-RF

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar sbod...@gci.net wrote:

 Which version of OS on the G4 and which on the iMac?

 Stephen


 On 3/11/12 4:25 PM, Roger Faulkner wrote:

 Just finished moving the content of a G4 emac to an Intel iMac. Files,
 apps and documents all moved as planned but none of the data. No
 bookmarks in any of the browsers or data used by various applications.

 These can be rebuilt but it will be a pain.

 Suggestions?

 TIA

 -Roger


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Re: Migration Assistant question

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

I had a MacBook Pro once do something very strange when I did a 
migration once between those two exact versions. Things ended up in 
strange places in the home directory. I had to manually move some items 
into the correct places. Do a search and see if that happened. You might 
just find it where you least expect it.


Stephen

On 3/11/12 6:04 PM, Roger Faulkner wrote:

G4 = 10.4.11
G5 = 10.6

-RF

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar sbod...@gci.net
mailto:sbod...@gci.net wrote:

Which version of OS on the G4 and which on the iMac?

Stephen


On 3/11/12 4:25 PM, Roger Faulkner wrote:

Just finished moving the content of a G4 emac to an Intel iMac.
Files,
apps and documents all moved as planned but none of the data. No
bookmarks in any of the browsers or data used by various
applications.

These can be rebuilt but it will be a pain.

Suggestions?

TIA

-Roger


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Re: A question about Flast....

[Douglas Mencken]

 Should I worry about using this browser to watch my Cnet and youtube videos 
 or should I not trust it?

For youtube flash video, I do recommend moving to html5 (G5 macs e
able to play ~8 of HD1080 videos at one time without any freezing) and
use TenFourFox browser. Or, as an alternative, using sfrom.net to
download flash-only stuff and watch it.
For Cnet, I never used it and don't know what it is.

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Re: pppd/mgetty question for dial-in access question.......

[Jesse]

Thx

Sent from my iPhone 4





On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 
 On Jan 18, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Jesse St.John wrote:
 
 alright people here is a question, om a slacker so i get the rtfm and im 
 used to saying it as well, however, this isnt a slack list it is a macosx 
 list, so
 
 how can i, for instance, set up a dial-in  with my leopard 10.5 ppc machine 
 with a dial-up modem to receive calls and allow for a remote connection, 
 from another computer without the use of a isp, or anything? its more to be 
 of use to myself, so if i ever need access to something, even miniscule, its 
 there... all i have to do is dial out to my home phone and connect. i have 
 read a few ways, which if you dont have xcode(and i dont i dunno what 
 happened there) are not happening. but they involve mgetty, and setting it 
 up to anser the line like an answering machine only to let you dial in. is 
 it possible or is it just not gonna happen? please some insight would be 
 awesome...
 
 
 IIRC the developer tools (which includes XCode) are on your 10.5 disk. If 
 not, you need to download it from Apple; at developer.apple.com.
 
 There's a package that claims to worl with NeXT and BSD, so might be 
 adaptable to OS X here http://freecode.com/projects/pppd Good freakin' 
 luck, you're going to need it! :-)
 
 Might be easier to hunt down an actual terminal server to do this, like this:
 
 http://www.ipcas.com/products/ppp-gateway.html or an old Shiva LanRover; 
 here's one for $25 
 :http://shop.bizsyscon.com/shiva-lanrover-8e-8-port-remote-access-server/
 
 We used one of these for years as our dial-in box for the college.
 
 
 -- 
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 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group
 
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pppd/mgetty question for dial-in access question.......

[Jesse St.John]

alright people here is a question, om a slacker so i get the rtfm  
and im used to saying it as well, however, this isnt a slack list it  
is a macosx list, so


how can i, for instance, set up a dial-in  with my leopard 10.5 ppc  
machine with a dial-up modem to receive calls and allow for a remote  
connection, from another computer without the use of a isp, or  
anything? its more to be of use to myself, so if i ever need access to  
something, even miniscule, its there... all i have to do is dial out  
to my home phone and connect. i have read a few ways, which if you  
dont have xcode(and i dont i dunno what happened there) are not  
happening. but they involve mgetty, and setting it up to anser the  
line like an answering machine only to let you dial in. is it possible  
or is it just not gonna happen? please some insight would be  
awesome...



id like to use it for proof of concept as well

jess

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A question about Flast....

[Scottls]

I have a few PPC Macs that I still use everyday because I can't afford
to get any newer Apple computers. My worry is, my best PowerMac G5
with dual 2GHz processors and 7GB of RAM is having trouble running
Flash 10 smoothly using my Firefox and Safari browsers, yet I found it
runs much smoother on my OLD Real Player's web browser. It skips
nearly no frames at all and is able to play at much higher resolutions
even in full screen. I'm worried it is because Real Player's browser
is not nearly as secure as Firefox and Safari. Should I worry about
using this browser to watch my Cnet and youtube videos or should I not
trust it?

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Re: pppd/mgetty question for dial-in access question.......

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 18, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Jesse St.John wrote:

 alright people here is a question, om a slacker so i get the rtfm and im 
 used to saying it as well, however, this isnt a slack list it is a macosx 
 list, so
 
 how can i, for instance, set up a dial-in  with my leopard 10.5 ppc machine 
 with a dial-up modem to receive calls and allow for a remote connection, from 
 another computer without the use of a isp, or anything? its more to be of use 
 to myself, so if i ever need access to something, even miniscule, its 
 there... all i have to do is dial out to my home phone and connect. i have 
 read a few ways, which if you dont have xcode(and i dont i dunno what 
 happened there) are not happening. but they involve mgetty, and setting it up 
 to anser the line like an answering machine only to let you dial in. is it 
 possible or is it just not gonna happen? please some insight would be 
 awesome...
 

IIRC the developer tools (which includes XCode) are on your 10.5 disk. If not, 
you need to download it from Apple; at developer.apple.com.

There's a package that claims to worl with NeXT and BSD, so might be adaptable 
to OS X here http://freecode.com/projects/pppd Good freakin' luck, you're 
going to need it! :-)

Might be easier to hunt down an actual terminal server to do this, like this:

http://www.ipcas.com/products/ppp-gateway.html or an old Shiva LanRover; 
here's one for $25 
:http://shop.bizsyscon.com/shiva-lanrover-8e-8-port-remote-access-server/

We used one of these for years as our dial-in box for the college.


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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
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Re: Question on RAM Sticks

[QuoVadis]

Quick tip:

SO-DIMM is usually for laptops (small form factor) or computers that
require it for a special reason (like the Bondi iMac). You'll not need
those.


Greetings,

Eelco.

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Re: Question on RAM Sticks

[Brian Harding]

 Question: How do I find out what the PC-8500, PC-8800, etc. stands for and
 where can I find what PC- I have on my iMac Intel Core 2 Duo? 

http://www.everymac.com/ have specs on every mac, including memory specs per 
model.

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Re: Question on RAM Sticks

[Jeff Bequette]

under the Apple:
Select :About this mac  
Select: More info
Select  Memory

then it should tell you what you have in the 'puter

disclaimer:  this is on 10.5.8

Jeff

On Jan 23, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Bill Brown wrote:


Greetings all.

Question:  How do I find out what the PC-8500, PC-8800, etc. stands  
for and

where can I find what PC- I have on my iMac Intel Core 2 Duo?

Example I copied of the lemswap list:

2GB of PC-8500 SO-DIMMS

I want to upgrade from the 2 GB RAM I have now, but can't find out
if the PC-whatever will work on my machine.

Any help appreciated!1

Thanks.
Bill

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Re: Question on RAM Sticks

[Edward Treen]

 Greetings all.
 
 Question:  How do I find out what the PC-8500, PC-8800, etc. stands for and
 where can I find what PC- I have on my iMac Intel Core 2 Duo?
 
 Example I copied of the lemswap list:
 
 2GB of PC-8500 SO-DIMMS
 
 I want to upgrade from the 2 GB RAM I have now, but can't find out
 if the PC-whatever will work on my machine.
 
 Any help appreciated!1
 
 Thanks.
 Bill
 
 -

I've always purchased from either OWC ( http://www.macsales.com ) or Crucial 
(http://www.crucial.com )

Crucial's Memory adviser is very good.

Never had a problem with either supplier regarding compatibility, price, 
delivery or quality.

I am not connected with either - just a satisfied customer of both.

hth

Ted

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Re: Question on RAM Sticks

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 23, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Bill Brown wrote:

 Greetings all.
 
 Question:  How do I find out what the PC-8500, PC-8800, etc. stands for and
 where can I find what PC- I have on my iMac Intel Core 2 Duo? 
 
 Example I copied of the lemswap list:
 
 2GB of PC-8500 SO-DIMMS
 
 I want to upgrade from the 2 GB RAM I have now, but can't find out
 if the PC-whatever will work on my machine.

A good place to look (and shop!) is http://www.datamemorysystems.com

They're accurate (memory type and size) for all models of Mac I've ever dealt 
with.

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Re: Question about exporting email addresses from Apple Mail app

[Len Gerstel]

On Jan 16, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Jan 16, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:

My google fu is week here. Running Apple Mail 2.1.3 on 10.4.11,  
but have access to a 10.6 if that has a better answer.


snip


Short of importing the whole 14,000 into AddressBook, then  
exporting them from there, are there any options? I already  
converted the .emlx files to an mbox, but am not having luck  
exporting from there.


geeky way to do it:

http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=731859

I R A Perl haxor, all nails must be hit with the perlhammer. It  
looks like the Email::Address CPAN module does what you want.


To install the module do (In terminal)

sudo cpan install Email::Address

And accept all the defaults...

Also the 'previous recipients' data might be exportable with some  
terminal hackery:


http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20110516152604993


Thanks, and I bow to your HAXORness. I installed Perl and  
Email::Address as per the instructions, but my eyes glazed over  
pretty quickly.


After some more googling I came across http://andreasamann.com/MacOSX/ 
Mail_Scripts which does it from address Book


I figured I would give it a shot. Selected 14,547 messages in Mail  
and selected Add Sender to Address Book, then let my dual 2.0 G5  
churn for a while. Address book deduped them, so left with 3,152  
cards. Then ran Export Addresses (Address Book) from the site above's  
scripts and let that churn.


Total time trying to find a one step solution from mail, both active,  
including searching, and computer churning was about 4.5-5 hours  
through all the variations I tried.


Total time once I accepted a 2 step solution going through Address  
Book, about 40 min. 10 of that was active, the rest churn time.


Len



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Re: Question about exporting email addresses from Apple Mail app

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 16, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:

 My google fu is week here. Running Apple Mail 2.1.3 on 10.4.11, but have 
 access to a 10.6 if that has a better answer.
 
 What I am trying to do is export the email addresses only from one account in 
 one mailbox. ie: In my inbox I have my gmail, comcast and business accounts. 
 I want to export only the email addresses in the inbox for my business 
 account.
 
 Everything I am finding is talking about exporting from AddressBook, which I 
 don't use except by accident. It only has about 75 contacts. I have 14,000 
 email messages in my business email in box, with probably 1500 unique 
 addresses. I can dedupe the addresses, but I have to get them out first.
 
 Short of importing the whole 14,000 into AddressBook, then exporting them 
 from there, are there any options? I already converted the .emlx files to an 
 mbox, but am not having luck exporting from there.

geeky way to do it:

http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=731859

I R A Perl haxor, all nails must be hit with the perlhammer. It looks like the 
Email::Address CPAN module does what you want.

To install the module do (In terminal)

sudo cpan install Email::Address 

And accept all the defaults...

Also the 'previous recipients' data might be exportable with some terminal 
hackery:

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20110516152604993


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Flash Drive Question

[Bill Brown]

Greetings Group. 
Got a bit of a question regarding one my thumb drives. 
Here's the pertinent info:

Kingston Data  Traveler 8 GB Thumb Drive.
Format is Mac OS Extended (Journaled).
Capacity: 7.67 GB
Available: 7.64 GB
Used: 30.1 MB on disk.
Only 1 partition on this disk, the main one.

Question: I have completely erased this puppy a few times in a row. Why would
it still show as having 30 MB still on it? I can understand maybe showing a MB 
for 
a directory or something, but 30 MB seems like a lot to me. What is all this 
extra
data? 

Thanks for your help. 
Bill

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Re: Flash Drive Question

[Dan]

At 10:59 AM -0700 1/3/2012, Bill Brown wrote:

Kingston Data  Traveler 8 GB Thumb Drive.
Format is Mac OS Extended (Journaled).
Capacity: 7.67 GB
Available: 7.64 GB
Used: 30.1 MB on disk.
Only 1 partition on this disk, the main one.

Question: I have completely erased this puppy a few times in a row. Why would
it still show as having 30 MB still on it? I can understand maybe 
showing a MB for
a directory or something, but 30 MB seems like a lot to me. What is 
all this extra

data?


The partition map, allocation tables, and the empty file system on 
the mountable volume all take up space.  There could also be a number 
of bad blocks mapped out.  And then there's the spotlight indices. 
30 MB on a 7 GB drive is about right.


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Re: Question re failing HD

[Bill Connelly]

On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:40 AM, Dan wrote:

Of course, there are all sorts of other carnage scenarios.  Shrapnel  
flying around, etc...


and then there's Norton ...

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Re: Question re failing HD

[Dan]

At 7:45 AM -0500 12/12/2011, Bill Connelly wrote:

On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:40 AM, Dan wrote:
Of course, there are all sorts of other carnage scenarios. 
Shrapnel flying around, etc...


and then there's Norton ...


The OP said he has an 8 GB SCSI drive, so I made the leap of faith 
that he's running OS 9 or earlier.


Either way,,, the carnage Norton could cause is file system 
corruptions, not physical bad blocks.  Or... perhaps I read the OP 
incorrectly?  I shoulda asked for details...


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Question re failing HD

[Barry Levine]

I'm curious about something I noted re my failing 8.6GB SCSI HD.

The drive has 3 partitions - 6GB,  2GB and 600MB. When I run Norton Disk
Doctor, only the 6GB partition has file problems and bad blocks; the other 2
partitions check out ok.

I don't understand this at all; unless perhaps the 2 good partitions are on
a different platter.

Just wondering...

Barry

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Re: Question re failing HD

[Dan]

At 11:48 PM -0500 12/11/2011, Barry Levine wrote:

I'm curious about something I noted re my failing 8.6GB SCSI HD.

The drive has 3 partitions - 6GB,  2GB and 600MB. When I run Norton Disk
Doctor, only the 6GB partition has file problems and bad blocks; the other 2
partitions check out ok.

I don't understand this at all; unless perhaps the 2 good partitions are on
a different platter.


Partitions are contiguous blocks of disk space, allocated track by 
track, cylinder by cylinder.  This is done to make it more efficient 
to read large files.  eg: move the head once (seek), wait for the 
platter to spin around until the target sector(s) arrive under the 
head (latency), then read a whole bunch of sectors at once.


Sectors (disk blocks) are virtual (software) allocations of space 
on a given track.   One of the more common ways they go bad is for a 
tiny particle of rust (an oxide) that has formed in a pit (no surface 
is completely smooth) to become lose.  The read or write head then 
wipes the particle from one sector to the next, to the next, to the 
next - along the same track - leaving a gauge in its path.  Thus, 
sectors tend to go bad in clumps.  Eventually centrifugal force 
throws the particle off the platter, to the wall the HDA where it 
(hopefully) sticks.  Of course, there are all sorts of other carnage 
scenarios.  Shrapnel flying around, etc...


HTH,
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Re: Upgrade question

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Martin N wrote:


Lo,

At 14:17 02/12/2011, you wrote:


On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote:



 Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while  
the Panasonic
 dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there  
was no

 direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS).
 But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me.

I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper  
tubing is the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers  
that Apple had early on and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's  
had them stock. The other two are Delphi's notice the one with two  
pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The single pump model is  
also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 2005's as  
far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done  
it and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is  
the heat sink cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be  
extra clean and use Form-A-Gasket with new O rings.


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip



Thanks for the effort uploading those pictures. :)

P4170004=Delphi since i cannot see any copper?
P4170001=Delphi since it is labelled as such


Yes those are Delphi's

new heat sink 3= it has a fair amount of copper - is it a Panasonic?
new heat sink= Panasonic with copper and a label.


Those are pics of the same Panasonic LCS.
I have not had a look inside a G5 so its difficult to make head or  
tail of water

cooling.

Very easy, just open the hood (side cover) and slide the G5 cover  
toward the front of the machine and take a look at the LSC you can't  
miss it.




Martin N

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Re: Upgrade question

[Martin N]

Lo,

At 14:17 02/12/2011, you wrote:


On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote:



 Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while 
the Panasonic

 dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no
 direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS).
 But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me.

 I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper 
tubing is the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers 
that Apple had early on and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's 
had them stock. The other two are Delphi's notice the one with two 
pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The single pump model is 
also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 2005's as 
far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done 
it and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is 
the heat sink cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be 
extra clean and use Form-A-Gasket with new O rings.


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip



Thanks for the effort uploading those pictures. :)

P4170004=Delphi since i cannot see any copper?
P4170001=Delphi since it is labelled as such
new heat sink 3= it has a fair amount of copper - is it a Panasonic?
new heat sink= Panasonic with copper and a label.

I have not had a look inside a G5 so its difficult to make head or 
tail of water

cooling.

Martin N

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Re: Upgrade question

[David W. Morris]

Martin N

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@Martin N,

Are you thinking of getting a G5 PowerMac because of the possibility  
that it will be able to run MorphOS in the future?  I know that was  
one of the main reasons for me when looking to purchase my Dual 2.7GHz  
G5 PowerMac, but I also wanted it to run Final Cut Pro Studio to do  
some video editing.  It sits next to my old Amiga A4000 Power Tower w/ 
CyberStorm 233Mhz PPC  NewTek Video Toaster/Flyer system inside and  
my A2000 w/GVP TekMagic 68060 accelerator and V-Lab Motion video  
editing system.  Amiga's were the first great Video Editing  
computers.  Too bad the management at Commodore didn't know how to  
market them and ran the company into the ground.


It is likely to be a long wait before MorphOS3.x that contains support  
for the G5 PowerMacs.  I am guessing at least 6 to 12 months and maybe  
as long as 18 to 24 months.  If you wait until it is released, the  
prices of G5 PowerMac's will have continued to drop and you might be  
able to find one for only $150 to $250.  They should make for great  
systems to run MorphOS on, as MorphOS2.7 already flies on my 1.42GHz  
G4 PowerMac and 1.5GHz MacMini.  All we need now is more native  
MorphOS software, so I am teaching myself to program and will begin  
writing programs just for MorphOS in the near future.


I also notice from your signature that you are running MorphOS2.6 on  
your MacMini.  Why haven't you installed the free upgrade to 2.7?  It  
is really great that all the upgrades from 2.0 to 2.7 and soon to 3.0  
have been free to registered users.  I have read that they are going  
to lower the price for MorphOS registration for all models except the  
G4 PowerBooks, but don't know when, or by how much.


Regards,
AmigaDave

Running MorphOS2.7 registered on my 1.42GHz G4 MDD PowerMac, 1.5GHz G4  
MacMini,  Efika 5200b, plus MorphOS3.0 beta on both my 15  17  
1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks, with a Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac running MacOSX  
10.5.8  Ubuntu PPC 10.10 waiting for support on MorphOS3.x.


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Re: Upgrade question

[John Carmonne]

On Dec 2, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Martin N wrote:

 Lo,
 
 At 04:49 02/12/2011, you wrote:
 Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto:
 
  Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask
  a seller on ebay
  to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable
  Panasonic.
 He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit.
 On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it.
 
 All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see copper 
tubing it's a Panasonic.


John Carmonne
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Re: Upgrade question

[David W. Morris]

All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see  
copper tubing it's a Panasonic.




If I remember correctly, the copper tubing on the Panasonic Liquid  
Cooling Systems is painted, or anodized a silver color, so don't get  
confused that it isn't copper colored.  The other LCS units use rubber  
hoses, not metal tubing, so it is easy to tell them apart.


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Re: Upgrade question

[John Carmonne]

On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:29 AM, David W. Morris wrote:

 
 All you need to do is slip off the G5 processor cover and if you see copper 
 tubing it's a Panasonic.
 
 
 If I remember correctly, the copper tubing on the Panasonic Liquid Cooling 
 Systems is painted, or anodized a silver color, so don't get confused that it 
 isn't copper colored.  The other LCS units use rubber hoses, not metal 
 tubing, so it is easy to tell them apart.

Here is the one in my G5 Dual 2.7.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip


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Entourage in MS 2008 Question

[DLC]

Greetings all,
I use Entourage in MS 2008 for my email client needs, this on a PMac
G5 running 10.5.8.
Someone recently tried to send me a .exe driver for my WIn laptop.
Entourage states it is blocking this potentially unsafe attachment
and indeed does not show it as an attachment when I open the email.
This has happened before to me, and begs the question: how do I tell
Entourage to unblock it? or not to be preemptive re: attachments
altogether.
I could not find a control element to turn this feature off.
Any help appreciated, thank you.
Regards,
Dana

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Re: Entourage in MS 2008 Question

[Kris Tilford]

On Dec 3, 2011, at 9:44 PM, DLC wrote:


Someone recently tried to send me a .exe driver for my Win laptop.


Have'm resend the driver compressed (.zip).

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Re: Entourage in MS 2008 Question

[Tina K.]

On 2011/12/03 21:03, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:

On Dec 3, 2011, at 9:44 PM, DLC wrote:


Someone recently tried to send me a .exe driver for my Win laptop.


Have'm resend the driver compressed (.zip).


And without exe in the file name.


Tina

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Re: Upgrade question

[John Carmonne]

On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote:

 
 
 Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic
 dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no
 direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS).
 But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me.
 
 I hope This will clear up the LCS models. The one with the copper tubing is 
the Panasonic. This was a fast fix for the many leakers that Apple had early on 
and AFAIK some of the very last Dual 2.7's had them stock. The other two are 
Delphi's notice the one with two pumps it's used in the Quad Core only. The 
single pump model is also a Delphi it was used up to and including the early 
2005's as far as I know. The Delphi's can be successfully rebuilt I've done it 
and never had another leak, But nothings perfect. The problem is the heat sink 
cover plates and those lame O rings you need to be extra clean and use 
Form-A-Gasket with new O rings.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36728487/LCS%20Mac.zip


John Carmonne
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Re: Upgrade question

[Martin N]

Lo,

At 04:49 02/12/2011, you wrote:

Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto:

 Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask
 a seller on ebay
 to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable
 Panasonic.
He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit.
On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it.


OK it looks like the description is what i will have to rely on.



 Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot
 more expensive
If you're afraid about the LCS, you could go for an air cooled G5.
(you can use MacTracker to know which is which)


Yeah fair enough.
Never had a liquid cooled computer of any sort which makes be
apprehensive.


 The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find
 but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better
 than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO.

 Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic?
I think the OP meant Quad core G5... :-)
(it was the last G5 model, the Late 2005, with dual core processors: the top
model had two dual core 2.5 GHz processors, hence the quad core)


Yeah i know, I should be more accurate in my wording :)

thanks
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Re: Upgrade question

[JohnCarmonne]

On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Martin N wrote:

 Lo,
 
 At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote:
 
 In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes:
 
 Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are?
 I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not
 very well built.
 
 Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare.
 
 Martin N
 
 This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling 
 units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units  Panasonic for 
 later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also 
 stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the 
 list archives or google. Plenty or info.
 


The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find but worth 
it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better than the solo's. They 
are great machines IMHO.


John Carmonne
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92886 USA
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Re: Upgrade question

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 30-11-2011 0:57, Martin N ha scritto:

 Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are?
 I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not
 very well built.

As stated before, looking on Google or this List archives will get you
plenty of info.

I got a G5 2.7 DP recently. It seems having the Delphi Liquid Cooling System
(LCS), but no leak so far. Very silent, quite fast, I think it's a very good
machine, but you have to be lucky about the LCS.
Or, get yourself an air cooled one.

Below is part of the msgs I got when talking about this:

 Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was
 pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic
 (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. I replaced my Delphi after two
 rebuilds and one Power supply with the later model Panasonic,  it's a much
 better built unit and easy to service if needed.
 
 
 is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5?
 
 The easy way is to look at it with the G5 cover off and if it has
 copper tubes it's a Panasonic.
 The top of the processor has the name.
 Plus not all the Delphi's will leak but it's a real problem with these
 machines. If you need one rebuilt you can do it your self
 or Brian at  DTT will do it cheap.
 http://www.dttservice.com/

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Re: Upgrade question

[Martin N]

Lo,

At 00:09 01/12/2011, you wrote:

Il giorno 30-11-2011 0:57, Martin N ha scritto:



snip


Below is part of the msgs I got when talking about this:

 Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single 
pump) it was
 pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made 
by Panasonic

 (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. I replaced my Delphi after two
 rebuilds and one Power supply with the later model Panasonic,  it's a much
 better built unit and easy to service if needed.


 is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5?

 The easy way is to look at it with the G5 cover off and if it has
 copper tubes it's a Panasonic.
 The top of the processor has the name.
 Plus not all the Delphi's will leak but it's a real problem with these
 machines. If you need one rebuilt you can do it your self
 or Brian at  DTT will do it cheap.
 http://www.dttservice.com/



Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask 
a seller on ebay
to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable 
Panasonic.


Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot 
more expensive

than those on ebay when i was looking for my g4 mac mini.
This is in the UK so YMMV.

Martin N

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Re: Upgrade question

[Martin N]

Lo,

At 20:58 30/11/2011, you wrote:


On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Martin N wrote:

 Lo,

 At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote:


snip

 This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt 
leaky cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early 
units  Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that 
had leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should 
be inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info.




The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find 
but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better 
than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO.



Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic?

Could be, if there is high demand for the Panasonic with the known
cooling issues.

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Re: Upgrade question

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 1-12-2011 23:19, Martin N ha scritto:

 Thanks for the archive information, it looks like i will have to ask
 a seller on ebay
 to take a photo of the inside to determine if it is the more reliable
 Panasonic.
He will have to do some disassembly, I think, to get to the cooling unit.
On my G5, it wasn't obvious just opening it.

 Unless i pay the extra for a mac dealer refurb but they are a lot
 more expensive
If you're afraid about the LCS, you could go for an air cooled G5.
(you can use MacTracker to know which is which)

 The Panasonic unit has never leaked in my experience. Hard to find
 but worth it. The Quads have a Dual pump Delphi that's a lot better
 than the solo's... They are great machines IMHO.
 
 Are the quads Delphis cheaper than the dual Panasonic?
I think the OP meant Quad core G5... :-)
(it was the last G5 model, the Late 2005, with dual core processors: the top
model had two dual core 2.5 GHz processors, hence the quad core)

Regarding the pumps, I think the Delphi was single pump, while the Panasonic
dual pump (and this regardless of G5 model; I mean, AFAIK there was no
direct correlation between G5 model and brand of LCS).
But John Carmonne knows much more about this than me.


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Re: Upgrade question

[Martin N]

Lo,

At 02:15 30/11/2011, you wrote:


In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes:



snip


Skyler,
My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450  a DA with
Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec
2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55.

I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB
ram  a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week
including some water cooled quad cores.


Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are?
I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not
very well built.

Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare.

Martin N


This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky 
cooling units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units 
 Panasonic for later models) and it was the early units that had 
leak issues. It was also stated that no matter what they should be 
inspected periodically. Check the list archives or google. Plenty or info.



Ok thanks for the information.

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Re: Upgrade question

[Martin N]

Lo,

At 21:53 28/11/2011, you wrote:


In a message dated 11/28/11 5:52:36 AM, skyler.r...@gmail.com writes:


OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is 
sold as an  *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor.  What I really 
need to know is if it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for 
the confusion.


On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne 
mailto:carmo...@aol.comcarmo...@aol.com wrote:



On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:

 On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote:

 I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can 
use Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual 
Processor, but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any 
help would be greatly appreciated.



 A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System 
Requirements, which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor:
 
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025



If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's 
going to run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's.


Skyler,
My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450  a DA with 
Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 
2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55.


I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB 
ram  a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week 
including some water cooled quad cores.



Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are?
I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not 
very well built.


Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare.

Martin N

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Re: Upgrade question

[RTOWSLEY]

In a message dated 11/29/11 7:21:07 PM, marti...@bluebottle.com writes:


 snip
 
 
 Skyler,
 My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450  a DA with
 Sonnet 1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec
 2010). XBench scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55.
 
 I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB
 ram  a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week
 including some water cooled quad cores.
 
 
 Do you know how reliable the water cooled g5s are?
 I seem to remember it being mentioned that the cooling system was not
 very well built.
 
 Probably be looking at a G5 in a years time so always good to prepare.
 
 Martin N
 
This was recently addressed here by someone who has rebuilt leaky cooling 
units. IIRC there were two venders (Adelphi for early units  Panasonic for 
later models) and it was the early units that had leak issues. It was also 
stated that no matter what they should be inspected periodically. Check the 
list archives or google. Plenty or info.

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Re: Upgrade question

[Skyler Rudd]

OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as
an  *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor.  What I really need to know is if
it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:


 On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:

  On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote:
 
  I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use
 Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I
 can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly
 appreciated.
 
 
  A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements,
 which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor:
  http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025


 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to
 run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's.


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 92886 USA
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Re: Upgrade question

[David W. Morris]

The Apple 1.25GHz Dual G4 Processor will only work in the Mirror Drive  
Door PowerMac models, not your Quicksilver.


You should look for a Sonnet 1.8GHz upgrade, or there was a company  
that made a 2.0GHz upgrade for the Quicksilver, but they are extremely  
hard to find.



On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote:

I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use  
Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor,  
but I can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would  
be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Upgrade question

[RTOWSLEY]

In a message dated 11/28/11 5:52:36 AM, skyler.r...@gmail.com writes:


 OK. Sorry I didn't mention that it's a 933 MHz chip. The chip is sold as 
 an  *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor.  What I really need to know is if 
 it will work with my 2002 Quicksilver. Sorry for the confusion.
 
 On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 
 On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:
 
  On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote:
 
  I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use 
 Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I can't 
 seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly 
 appreciated.
 
 
  A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, 
 which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor:
  http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025
 
 
 If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to 
 run at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's.
 
 
Skyler,
My opinion is that you go to a G5. I have a gig-e DP450  a DA with Sonnet 
1.4 GHZ upgrade. Both cost me about $200 (the DA came Dec 2010). XBench 
scores for the DA is in the range of 50-55.

 I just got a late 2005 G5 dual core 2.3 for $208 delivered with 4GB ram  
a 6600 video card. Ebay had them for $160-300 last week including some water 
cooled quad cores. My 2.3 XBenched at 101 out of the box.
When you compare the G5 to the G4, even to the DP MDD, there is a huge 
difference for the money  I'm saying that as a G4 lover  holdout.
BobT

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Re: router question

[Lawrence David Eden]

Many thanks to the mavens who offered great answers to my question. 
This Group is the best place to get answers quickly.



Larry Eden




 Is ther a command of some kind that I can send to the router from the
 basementor must I continue to make that long walk to the garage?


Log into the router's GUI interface using IP address 192.168.1.1 and then
list the log, check it out, and, finally, issue the REBOOT command.

This can be done from any computer on the Intranet side of the router,
using your favorite browser.



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Re: router question

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/27 04:43, Lawrence David Eden so eloquently wrote:

Many thanks to the mavens who offered great answers to my question. This Group 
is
the best place to get answers quickly.


And they're affordable too!


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Upgrade question

[Skyler Rudd]

I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use
Photoshop CS4. I have found an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I
can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.*

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Re: Upgrade question

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 28-11-2011 4:14, Skyler Rudd ha scritto:

 I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use
 Photoshop CS4. I have found an *Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I
 can't seem to find out if it will do the job.

Aside from Fabian Fang answer... you didn't mention your actual QS CPU.

If that 1.25 CPU is an original from Apple, it must come from a G4 MDD, thus
I doubt it will go straight into a QS (I might be wrong, thou).
If it would be a third-party CPU upgrade, then it might.

Adobe CS3 is compatible with G4 but, from my personal experience, even with
a 1.25 GHz DP G4, it would be slow.
I had a G4 Digital Audio (almost same architecture than your QS) upgraded
with a 1.4 GHz CPU: InDesign CS3 was pretty slow (but usable), Photoshop was
better, but working with them wasn't the best.
Now, with a G5 2.7 DP, it's much better: not blazing fast, but not crawling
anymore.

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Re: Upgrade question

[JohnCarmonne]

On Nov 27, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:

 On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Skyler Rudd wrote:
 
 I have a 2002 Quicksilver that I would like to upgrade so I can use 
 Photoshop CS4. I have found an Apple MPU 1.25 GHz Dual Processor, but I 
 can't seem to find out if it will do the job. Any help would be greatly 
 appreciated.
 
 
 A simple search would have led you to Photoshop CS4 System Requirements, 
 which include PowerPC G5 or Multicore Intel Processor:
 http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/407/kb407716.html#main__Toc162848025


If this will help I installed CS4 on a 1GB TiBook today but it's going to run 
at CS3 speeds CS4's features run better on G5's.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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router question

[Lawrence David Eden]

Greetings Listers,

I am using a NetGear wireless router in my home, and quite often, 
especially when my children are at home.the router needs to be 
reset in order for me to get online.  If I unplug the router (from 
the electricity)for a couple of seconds and then plug it back in, I 
can always get back online.  My G4 is connected via a CAT5 cable. The 
problem is: the router lives in my garage and is not close to my G4 
in the basement.
Is ther a command of some kind that I can send to the router from the 
basementor must I continue to make that long walk to the garage?



Thanks,

Larry Eden

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Re: router question

[Kris Tilford]

On Nov 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

Is ther a command of some kind that I can send to the router from  
the basement...


Yes. You can login to the router using any browser. The login address  
is specific to the router model, you'll need to look it up in the  
manual. Most NetGear are something like 192.168.0.1. Once you login,  
you might also want to check the router firmware and see if there have  
been any firmware updates for your router. Often an update might cure  
your intermittent disconnect issue.


When you're logged in, you should be able to find a reset button  
that will reset the router from within your browser. As I said,  
there's a chance a firmware update could cure your issue, so check  
that also. You shouldn't need to reset the router that often, or often  
at all.


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