Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi. I don’t mean to give anyone a hard time or anything, I see what you’re saying. But, what about the security wholes in xp that won’t be patched anymore? How will you be sure to remain secure? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:46 pm, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I do appreciate that in theory, things will stop running on xp, and I can't run new versions, heck I'm still running ie8. The problem is that all the compatibility stuff hasn't yet made any practical difference. I've not found any websites, services, applications or things I want to use that require a better machine than I have. Fundamentally if there was some really good new feature of the updated windows media player, some websites or net games I wanted to play or something else in updates that I couldn't do with xp, I would indeed upgrade the system and get used to it. Regarding security and hardware, well 64 bit actually is a bad thing for me since it ruins compatibility with dos programs, and once again nothing requires it. I can accept that the hardware might be more advanced, but that is of no bennifit to me personally if there is nothing I wish to do that requires it. of course, this situation will not go on forever. I fully expect in several years there will be some awsome new features of new os that I will want to play with, some games or programs that I can't run on xp etc, indeed I'm quite amazed that this hasn't already come up. Back in 2007 when windows 7 was first produced I fully expected by around 2010 or 2011, there to be a lot of games, websites, new and inervative media playback and other peaces of software that I'd need better hardware or a new os for, making the hassle of learning the new interface, kicking out compatibility and mucking about with virtual machines and other things worth my time. I'm actually amazed this hasn't happened yet, and despite the aspersions of certain individuals this is indeed why I have been so careful to research Windows 7 to the best of my ability and convenience. As I said I fully expect this situation to change in the future, but at the moment it hasn't. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The Psychology of First Person Shooters
LOL. I used have a similar attitude toward school. In my Freshma and Sophomore years of High School anytime I would walk through the school corridors I would mentally hum the cave or Tartarus theme from the NES game Battle of Olympus. Then anytime I was in class with a particularly unliked teacher I would mentally hum the boss theme from the same game and consider every instance when said teacher didn't address me for the answer to a question as a strike to the boss' weak point. Of course getting out of that class when the bell rang was my victory over the boss. LOL. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The Psychology of First Person Shooters I remember after I moved to my horrible new boarding school playing the game rampage on the Amigar. For those who don't know, rampage is a game where you play as either a gorilla, a lizard or a giant wolf man and must destroy the city by tearing down buildings. Believing that I was smashing up my new school was rather good fun, particularly since it was a cracked Amigar coppy with a cheat screen I had infinite lives so couldn't be killed by the puny tanks and hellicopters sent against me! :D. Bewaree the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Shaun, I am sure games work for different people in different ways, but I do agree it does help in large part with say anger management. It is a constructive way to deal with ones anger, feelings of harming someone or something, in a way that is socially acceptable. There have been many times in my life when I was very angry, very upset, and I turned on a video game and took out my feelings of rage upon the virtual game characters. I might beat them senseless in a beat-m-up or killed everything in sight in an FPS game. Either way I was able to redirect that anger, that rage, in a way that allowed me to get rid of it without directing it at a real person. Cheers! On 12/16/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well I find that playing some of these games just gets rid of the anger I would have had if I didn't. So it must work for others in different ways. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Well maria, that is what I rely on Avg and pc tuneup for. I also will disable automatic updates after April so that nobody attempting malicious hacks through the system will have access. I do agree security is an issue, but at the same time I don't see the point in being paranoid about it. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Hi. I don’t mean to give anyone a hard time or anything, I see what you’re saying. But, what about the security wholes in xp that won’t be patched anymore? How will you be sure to remain secure? regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:46 pm, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I do appreciate that in theory, things will stop running on xp, and I can't run new versions, heck I'm still running ie8. The problem is that all the compatibility stuff hasn't yet made any practical difference. I've not found any websites, services, applications or things I want to use that require a better machine than I have. Fundamentally if there was some really good new feature of the updated windows media player, some websites or net games I wanted to play or something else in updates that I couldn't do with xp, I would indeed upgrade the system and get used to it. Regarding security and hardware, well 64 bit actually is a bad thing for me since it ruins compatibility with dos programs, and once again nothing requires it. I can accept that the hardware might be more advanced, but that is of no bennifit to me personally if there is nothing I wish to do that requires it. of course, this situation will not go on forever. I fully expect in several years there will be some awsome new features of new os that I will want to play with, some games or programs that I can't run on xp etc, indeed I'm quite amazed that this hasn't already come up. Back in 2007 when windows 7 was first produced I fully expected by around 2010 or 2011, there to be a lot of games, websites, new and inervative media playback and other peaces of software that I'd need better hardware or a new os for, making the hassle of learning the new interface, kicking out compatibility and mucking about with virtual machines and other things worth my time. I'm actually amazed this hasn't happened yet, and despite the aspersions of certain individuals this is indeed why I have been so careful to research Windows 7 to the best of my ability and convenience. As I said I fully expect this situation to change in the future, but at the moment it hasn't. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Bryan, Not only that, but there are workarounds for running older software in say Windows 8.1. As I have said many times a person can get VMWare Player, install XP in that, and run it side by side with Windows 8.1 allowing you to play any games or use any apps that does not work with Windows 8.1. That gives you, the end user, a choice of which OS to use and you end up with the best of both worlds. I'm not sure why people are so apposed to doing things that way, but it does work. Cheers! On 12/17/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: It's funny. I'd actually like to try out both Mac and Windows 8.1. I migt lose access to afew games but they're not ones I play much these days. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Dark, Just a correction here. Windows 7 was released in 2010 not 2007. Windows Vista came out in January 2007. I wanted to point that out as you seem to be confusing the two here. However, I do take your point. The reason XP is still widely supported by websites, some third-party programs, and so forth is that it still holds a significant portion of the Windows PC market. Windows, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8,and Windows 8.1 has not been as successful as Microsoft had planned, and as a result many software developers know cutting XP off at this point is equivalent to cutting their own throats. I'll give you a simple example of that in practice. One of the things I have been looking at is ways I can improve my game engine so that Raceway and MOTA will run better on new Windows machines. The problem is there are a lot of blind users that feel as you do that XP is the best there ever was, the best there is, and the best that will ever be and will not upgrade for any reason. So despite any advantages I could add to my games by targeting a newer version of Windows I would not be able to make as large a profit off my games if I exclude half my customer base. As a developer I have to support whatever a large portion of my potential customers are using. Of course, mainstream companies are less handstrung because they are not selling to a minority market. At some point the number of mainstream users running Windows 7, Windows 8, or 8.1 will out number XP and it won't hurt them to drop XP support. Probably they will begin this migration sometime next year after Microsoft drops support for XP the way they did when Microsoft dropped support for 98 and Millennium. Of course, one problem facing mainstream and accessible technology markets is there are far more users using XP now, than there were 98 users in 2006 when Microsoft dropped Windows 9x support. So third-party support may linger a couple more years until the mainstream market catches up to current Windows technology. The only way I can see personally to deal with the situation is attempt to support both for as long as necessary. What I mean by that with games like MOTA and Raceway they are already XP compatible because they were designed that way from the beginning, and there is no need to cut XP support off at the knees just because something newer came along. I can however release an updated version of both that uses some newer APIs like XAudio2 or have 64-bit builds for newer 64-bit machines. That helps target people running new machines while not removing support for XP in the process. that's the only way I can see being fair to both groups of users at this point. In a couple of years I can consider dropping support for XP in newer games and hopefully people will have made the switch by then. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I do appreciate that in theory, things will stop running on xp, and I can't run new versions, heck I'm still running ie8. The problem is that all the compatibility stuff hasn't yet made any practical difference. I've not found any websites, services, applications or things I want to use that require a better machine than I have. Fundamentally if there was some really good new feature of the updated windows media player, some websites or net games I wanted to play or something else in updates that I couldn't do with xp, I would indeed upgrade the system and get used to it. Regarding security and hardware, well 64 bit actually is a bad thing for me since it ruins compatibility with dos programs, and once again nothing requires it. I can accept that the hardware might be more advanced, but that is of no bennifit to me personally if there is nothing I wish to do that requires it. of course, this situation will not go on forever. I fully expect in several years there will be some awsome new features of new os that I will want to play with, some games or programs that I can't run on xp etc, indeed I'm quite amazed that this hasn't already come up. Back in 2007 when windows 7 was first produced I fully expected by around 2010 or 2011, there to be a lot of games, websites, new and inervative media playback and other peaces of software that I'd need better hardware or a new os for, making the hassle of learning the new interface, kicking out compatibility and mucking about with virtual machines and other things worth my time. I'm actually amazed this hasn't happened yet, and despite the aspersions of certain individuals this is indeed why I have been so careful to research Windows 7 to the best of my ability and convenience. As I said I fully expect this situation to change in the future, but at the moment it hasn't. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Dark, Just a correction here. Windows 7 was released in 2010 not 2007. Windows Vista came out in January 2007. I wanted to point that out as you seem to be confusing the two here. However, I do take your point. The reason XP is still widely supported by websites, some third-party programs, and so forth is that it still holds a significant portion of the Windows PC market. Windows, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8,and Windows 8.1 has not been as successful as Microsoft had planned, and as a result many software developers know cutting XP off at this point is equivalent to cutting their own throats. I'll give you a simple example of that in practice. One of the things I have been looking at is ways I can improve my game engine so that Raceway and MOTA will run better on new Windows machines. The problem is there are a lot of blind users that feel as you do that XP is the best there ever was, the best there is, and the best that will ever be and will not upgrade for any reason. So despite any advantages I could add to my games by targeting a newer version of Windows I would not be able to make as large a profit off my games if I exclude half my customer base. As a developer I have to support whatever a large portion of my potential customers are using. Of course, mainstream companies are less handstrung because they are not selling to a minority market. At some point the number of mainstream users running Windows 7, Windows 8, or 8.1 will out number XP and it won't hurt them to drop XP support. Probably they will begin this migration sometime next year after Microsoft drops support for XP the way they did when Microsoft dropped support for 98 and Millennium. Of course, one problem facing mainstream and accessible technology markets is there are far more users using XP now, than there were 98 users in 2006 when Microsoft dropped Windows 9x support. So third-party support may linger a couple more years until the mainstream market catches up to current Windows technology. The only way I can see personally to deal with the situation is attempt to support both for as long as necessary. What I mean by that with games like MOTA and Raceway they are already XP compatible because they were designed that way from the beginning, and there is no need to cut XP support off at the knees just because something newer came along. I can however release an updated version of both that uses some newer APIs like XAudio2 or have 64-bit builds for newer 64-bit machines. That helps target people running new machines while not removing support for XP in the process. that's the only way I can see being fair to both groups of users at this point. In a couple of years I can consider dropping support for XP in newer games and hopefully people will have made the switch by then. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I do appreciate that in theory, things will stop running on xp, and I can't run new versions, heck I'm still running ie8. The problem is that all the compatibility stuff hasn't yet made any practical difference. I've not found any websites, services, applications or things I want to use that require a better machine than I have. Fundamentally if there was some really good new feature of the updated windows media player, some websites or net games I wanted to play or something else in updates that I couldn't do with xp, I would indeed upgrade the system and get used to it. Regarding security and hardware, well 64 bit actually is a bad thing for me since it ruins compatibility with dos programs, and once again nothing requires it. I can accept that the hardware might be more advanced, but that is of no bennifit to me personally if there is nothing I wish to do that requires it. of course, this situation will not go on forever. I fully expect in several years there will be some awsome new features of new os that I will want to play with, some games or programs that I can't run on xp etc, indeed I'm quite amazed that this hasn't already come up. Back in 2007 when windows 7 was first produced I fully expected by around 2010 or 2011, there to be a lot of games, websites, new and inervative media playback and other peaces of software that I'd need better hardware or a new os for, making the hassle of learning the new interface, kicking out compatibility and mucking about with virtual machines and other things worth my time. I'm actually amazed this hasn't happened yet, and despite the aspersions of certain individuals this is indeed why I have been so careful to research Windows 7 to the best of my ability and convenience. As I said I fully expect this situation to change in the future, but at the moment it hasn't. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
hi Thomas, a correction to the correction. lol. windows 7 came out in 2009. July 22, 2009; 4 years ago General availability October 22, 2009; 4 years ago dallas On 18/12/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Just a correction here. Windows 7 was released in 2010 not 2007. Windows Vista came out in January 2007. I wanted to point that out as you seem to be confusing the two here. However, I do take your point. The reason XP is still widely supported by websites, some third-party programs, and so forth is that it still holds a significant portion of the Windows PC market. Windows, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8,and Windows 8.1 has not been as successful as Microsoft had planned, and as a result many software developers know cutting XP off at this point is equivalent to cutting their own throats. I'll give you a simple example of that in practice. One of the things I have been looking at is ways I can improve my game engine so that Raceway and MOTA will run better on new Windows machines. The problem is there are a lot of blind users that feel as you do that XP is the best there ever was, the best there is, and the best that will ever be and will not upgrade for any reason. So despite any advantages I could add to my games by targeting a newer version of Windows I would not be able to make as large a profit off my games if I exclude half my customer base. As a developer I have to support whatever a large portion of my potential customers are using. Of course, mainstream companies are less handstrung because they are not selling to a minority market. At some point the number of mainstream users running Windows 7, Windows 8, or 8.1 will out number XP and it won't hurt them to drop XP support. Probably they will begin this migration sometime next year after Microsoft drops support for XP the way they did when Microsoft dropped support for 98 and Millennium. Of course, one problem facing mainstream and accessible technology markets is there are far more users using XP now, than there were 98 users in 2006 when Microsoft dropped Windows 9x support. So third-party support may linger a couple more years until the mainstream market catches up to current Windows technology. The only way I can see personally to deal with the situation is attempt to support both for as long as necessary. What I mean by that with games like MOTA and Raceway they are already XP compatible because they were designed that way from the beginning, and there is no need to cut XP support off at the knees just because something newer came along. I can however release an updated version of both that uses some newer APIs like XAudio2 or have 64-bit builds for newer 64-bit machines. That helps target people running new machines while not removing support for XP in the process. that's the only way I can see being fair to both groups of users at this point. In a couple of years I can consider dropping support for XP in newer games and hopefully people will have made the switch by then. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I do appreciate that in theory, things will stop running on xp, and I can't run new versions, heck I'm still running ie8. The problem is that all the compatibility stuff hasn't yet made any practical difference. I've not found any websites, services, applications or things I want to use that require a better machine than I have. Fundamentally if there was some really good new feature of the updated windows media player, some websites or net games I wanted to play or something else in updates that I couldn't do with xp, I would indeed upgrade the system and get used to it. Regarding security and hardware, well 64 bit actually is a bad thing for me since it ruins compatibility with dos programs, and once again nothing requires it. I can accept that the hardware might be more advanced, but that is of no bennifit to me personally if there is nothing I wish to do that requires it. of course, this situation will not go on forever. I fully expect in several years there will be some awsome new features of new os that I will want to play with, some games or programs that I can't run on xp etc, indeed I'm quite amazed that this hasn't already come up. Back in 2007 when windows 7 was first produced I fully expected by around 2010 or 2011, there to be a lot of games, websites, new and inervative media playback and other peaces of software that I'd need better hardware or a new os for, making the hassle of learning the new interface, kicking out compatibility and mucking about with virtual machines and other things worth my time. I'm actually amazed this hasn't happened yet, and despite the aspersions of certain individuals this is indeed why I have been so careful to research Windows 7 to the best of my ability and convenience. As I said I fully expect this situation to change in the future,
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Dallas, Oops! I stand corrected. Still, my basic point still stands. It was not 2007. :D Cheers! On 12/18/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: hi Thomas, a correction to the correction. lol. windows 7 came out in 2009. July 22, 2009; 4 years ago General availability October 22, 2009; 4 years ago dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Hi Charles, To be honest this sounds like another one of your categorical statements without evidence or reasons to back it up. Why exactly do you think professional wrestling is not wrestling? The reason I take issue with your opinion is this. I have been watching or listening to professional wrestling for 30 years and have watched AWA, NWA, WWE, TNA, WCW, etc and while there is certainly what you call artistic stunt work involved many of those professional wrestlers use the same holds and moves you would find in amateur wrestling. I use to watch amateur wrestling matches such as high school wrestling, it is different, but not so different that pro wrestling should not be called wrestling. The main difference I see in pro wrestling is the companies like WWE fix matches, write storylines, and of course use a lot of flashy moves that are for show along with traditional wrestling holds and throws. Where with amateur wrestling nothing is scripted and the wrestlers win or lose by skill alone. So I am just interested to know what your opinion is based on. Cheers! On 12/17/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: What they do is artistic stunt work, I think. Although it is an art form, and some wrestling moves and holds are used, it is not wrestling. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
yep, I know. lol. it's amusing in a sense, it doesn't feel that long ago that 7 came out. but when you look at it, its now 4 years old. even windows 8 is now a year old. time gos fast, doesn't it. dallas On 19/12/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dallas, Oops! I stand corrected. Still, my basic point still stands. It was not 2007. :D Cheers! On 12/18/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: hi Thomas, a correction to the correction. lol. windows 7 came out in 2009. July 22, 2009; 4 years ago General availability October 22, 2009; 4 years ago dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Well if it helps I still have all your sounds and old audio from ages back. I use your old timer program as part of my training for timing various things. Its really not that flashy but gets the job done and I have found nothing better than it. I do hope there will be a place where we can get your old free projects and audio from and anything new you may make in the future. At 05:48 AM 12/18/2013, you wrote: We are sorry to see you go. I was going to ask about X-Wheel as I have a license for that. Those who haven't got it already please take advantage of the closing down sale. X-Wheel is a classic indeed as it's a spin off of the UK television game show Wheel of Fortune as you probably know already. Good luck with your future endeavours sir. On 17/12/2013 15:06, Damien C. Pendleton wrote: Hi folks, Unfortunately, as of January 5, 2014, X-Sight Interactive will be closing its doors. Due to the high demands for games with better storylines, advanced navigation, high quality audio, and extra extensive support features such as 3d audio and online multiplayer capabilities, our current titles have not been meeting the high quality standards both we and our user base expect. As a result we are caught up in a chicken-egg circle where we are trying to create titles with the few resources we currently have at our disposal, and trying to sell them. Even then, despite a lot of time, effort and money put towards these titles, we have still not even met the expected figures. This means that other expenses such as new sound effects, voice actors and server costs, are coming from personal funds alone. Since 2006 I have, more often than not, had a team of people who have assisted me greatly in my desire to create audiogames. However, very recently, my entire team is no more, either due to other commitments, or discontent with the state of events here. This means that the entire responsibility of running X-Sight Interactive has fallen to myself, the founder and, once project manager, now sole survivor, so to speak. Consequently things have gone downhill in a major way, both from a business and personal perspective, and, based on the fact that I am a married man with a family to support, I have neither time nor money enough to continue to keep up a project that was once a dream, which has now turned into a financial nightmare. Up until January 5, 2014, we are offering our two commercial products, X-Wheel and Active Soundscape Engine, at a heavily reduced price (roughly a 70% discount) of $5.00 and $3.50 respectively. After january 5 all product support and marketing will cease, at which point our free title, River Raiders, will be transferred to my personal website at www.dcpendleton.co.uk, services such as the scoreboards will remain active until January 20. I'd like to thank all our former development and testing teams (Casey Matthews, Ryan Conroy, Richard and Rachael Claridge, Quinten Pendle, Kelly Sapergia, Munawar Bijani, Vincent Rikotta, Cory Sharp, Humphrey Clement, Shaun Edwards, Eric Baud, Joseli Walter, Louis Bryant, Michael Forzano and Matthew Horspool). Special thanks goes to Ian Paget, Peter Bryenton, Sean Randall, Philip Bennefall, Jayne Holden, and last but not least, my wife, Josie Pendleton. Most of all, my sincere grattitude and appreciation go to the people whom it would be futile to try and name, you. The community who have downloaded, purchased or otherwise played our games, contributed donations, sensible suggestions, constructive criticisms, encouragements, feedback, moral support etc. Without you, I would not have been able to carry on for as long as I have and it is mainly for this reason that I feel sad to say I have to go. I wish you all the best of happiness and luck for the future, whatever you do and wherever you go, and again, thank you so much for making this past eight years a pleasure for me, even if it hasnât led us in the direction we expected it to. Cheers. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] BGT, Mac and More
Yeah I guessed that it would be. I am going through the processes of finding out from the authors of the implimentation of the lib I am using, and the main programmer on my team, well the team I am in. Aparently the issue is always there, but there are probably ways to get round that. At 09:37 AM 12/18/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, If using OpenAL the sounds have to be in mono not stereo. As far as the issues with echo etc sounds like an issue with FSL. As Cara pointed out OpenAL itself does not do that, and it could be the implementation at fault here. Cheers! On 12/16/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well one thing I have found with fsl the open al library that the group I am in uses, is its powerfull more so than standard direct sound, however there are instances where doors beakons and other effects like lifts echo to much. If you save some sounds in mono instead of stereo or it may be the other way round the lib will not use them. It takes a bit to get used to but its powerfull. Someone on the test team had issues with things so it can be a little annoying. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Tom. I was probably thinking of vista, since I do know when getting my desktop repared in 2008 I very much didn't want a machine with newer windows, which was one other advantage of going to a local custom manufacturer since all the main shops like Pc world were the slaves of microsoft and ramming newer versions down people's throats. Well I have said under what circumstances I'll upgrade. Yes, I can run xp in a virtual machine and I am glad there is that option, but if the newer os doesn't actually bennifit me, well why have the hassle? to be honest I can understand that someone like yourself who cares about all the technical stuff is interested in the newer os, but I am getting slightly irritated with having the position I'm in missrepresented or missunderstoo. I do not think xp is the best thing there ever will be, neither do I reffuse to upgrade, I merely don't see the point at the moment, that is all, and I fully expect in the future that this will change when a new os actually make a practical difference that is worth the hassle. That is another reason I spent time playing with Windows 7 and I'd like to try mac and windows 8 in the same way, although at this point in time I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be a hardware not a software change such as touch screen control or something like. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Just a thought but why not make X-Wheel abandonware? I'm not condoning piracy in any way at all, it's just a suggestion. On 18/12/2013 04:21, shaun everiss wrote: Well if it helps I still have all your sounds and old audio from ages back. I use your old timer program as part of my training for timing various things. Its really not that flashy but gets the job done and I have found nothing better than it. I do hope there will be a place where we can get your old free projects and audio from and anything new you may make in the future. At 05:48 AM 12/18/2013, you wrote: We are sorry to see you go. I was going to ask about X-Wheel as I have a license for that. Those who haven't got it already please take advantage of the closing down sale. X-Wheel is a classic indeed as it's a spin off of the UK television game show Wheel of Fortune as you probably know already. Good luck with your future endeavours sir. On 17/12/2013 15:06, Damien C. Pendleton wrote: Hi folks, Unfortunately, as of January 5, 2014, X-Sight Interactive will be closing its doors. Due to the high demands for games with better storylines, advanced navigation, high quality audio, and extra extensive support features such as 3d audio and online multiplayer capabilities, our current titles have not been meeting the high quality standards both we and our user base expect. As a result we are caught up in a chicken-egg circle where we are trying to create titles with the few resources we currently have at our disposal, and trying to sell them. Even then, despite a lot of time, effort and money put towards these titles, we have still not even met the expected figures. This means that other expenses such as new sound effects, voice actors and server costs, are coming from personal funds alone. Since 2006 I have, more often than not, had a team of people who have assisted me greatly in my desire to create audiogames. However, very recently, my entire team is no more, either due to other commitments, or discontent with the state of events here. This means that the entire responsibility of running X-Sight Interactive has fallen to myself, the founder and, once project manager, now sole survivor, so to speak. Consequently things have gone downhill in a major way, both from a business and personal perspective, and, based on the fact that I am a married man with a family to support, I have neither time nor money enough to continue to keep up a project that was once a dream, which has now turned into a financial nightmare. Up until January 5, 2014, we are offering our two commercial products, X-Wheel and Active Soundscape Engine, at a heavily reduced price (roughly a 70% discount) of $5.00 and $3.50 respectively. After january 5 all product support and marketing will cease, at which point our free title, River Raiders, will be transferred to my personal website at www.dcpendleton.co.uk, services such as the scoreboards will remain active until January 20. I'd like to thank all our former development and testing teams (Casey Matthews, Ryan Conroy, Richard and Rachael Claridge, Quinten Pendle, Kelly Sapergia, Munawar Bijani, Vincent Rikotta, Cory Sharp, Humphrey Clement, Shaun Edwards, Eric Baud, Joseli Walter, Louis Bryant, Michael Forzano and Matthew Horspool). Special thanks goes to Ian Paget, Peter Bryenton, Sean Randall, Philip Bennefall, Jayne Holden, and last but not least, my wife, Josie Pendleton. Most of all, my sincere grattitude and appreciation go to the people whom it would be futile to try and name, you. The community who have downloaded, purchased or otherwise played our games, contributed donations, sensible suggestions, constructive criticisms, encouragements, feedback, moral support etc. Without you, I would not have been able to carry on for as long as I have and it is mainly for this reason that I feel sad to say I have to go. I wish you all the best of happiness and luck for the future, whatever you do and wherever you go, and again, thank you so much for making this past eight years a pleasure for me, even if it hasn’t led us in the direction we expected it to. Cheers. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Hi Shaun, To be honest I've deleted a lot of my older stuff. It would be fun to take a trip down memory lane and see exactly what you have got in the way of older material, even if it's for a laugh to see what a crackpot I was ten years ago. The nearest I have now is the Acefire II released in 2008. Wow, that sounds like forever ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday! To be honest, I'm sad X-Sight has had to go, but the other thing was, there's very little I can really say I'm proud of. A good 50% of my programming team were mediocre, at least at the time, and I can't exactly credit myself as an expert either, even now, hence the reason I got a lot of backlash. As I said before, there is also the fact that given the possibility I could have produced a large enough game to meet the ever growing competition, it would have required sounds, actors and music that I don't personally have the money for. So although it's saddening, maybe it's the best all around. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Well if it helps I still have all your sounds and old audio from ages back. I use your old timer program as part of my training for timing various things. Its really not that flashy but gets the job done and I have found nothing better than it. I do hope there will be a place where we can get your old free projects and audio from and anything new you may make in the future. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
When I used to watch the wrestlers on TV, they would use something to cut the opponent, break chairs on heads, put the referee out of commission, and stuff like that. This is not wrestling. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, To be honest this sounds like another one of your categorical statements without evidence or reasons to back it up. Why exactly do you think professional wrestling is not wrestling? The reason I take issue with your opinion is this. I have been watching or listening to professional wrestling for 30 years and have watched AWA, NWA, WWE, TNA, WCW, etc and while there is certainly what you call artistic stunt work involved many of those professional wrestlers use the same holds and moves you would find in amateur wrestling. I use to watch amateur wrestling matches such as high school wrestling, it is different, but not so different that pro wrestling should not be called wrestling. The main difference I see in pro wrestling is the companies like WWE fix matches, write storylines, and of course use a lot of flashy moves that are for show along with traditional wrestling holds and throws. Where with amateur wrestling nothing is scripted and the wrestlers win or lose by skill alone. So I am just interested to know what your opinion is based on. Cheers! On 12/17/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: What they do is artistic stunt work, I think. Although it is an art form, and some wrestling moves and holds are used, it is not wrestling. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Chris, I did consider that, as it has been done so much in the past. However I figured it wasn't fair on the customers who have actually paid for a licence, to have that feeling of, Oh, if I'd waited so long, I could have gotten it for free. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Chris H Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just a thought but why not make X-Wheel abandonware? I'm not condoning piracy in any way at all, it's just a suggestion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Although I can see how gamers might feel that they could have gotten it for free if they had waited, I don't think this applies, as you are not giving it away out of generosity while staying in business. There will be no updates or support in the future, right? In this case, you are closing up shop, making the situation totally different. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Damien C. S. Pendleton dam...@dcpendleton.co.uk To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Chris, I did consider that, as it has been done so much in the past. However I figured it wasn't fair on the customers who have actually paid for a licence, to have that feeling of, Oh, if I'd waited so long, I could have gotten it for free. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Chris H Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just a thought but why not make X-Wheel abandonware? I'm not condoning piracy in any way at all, it's just a suggestion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Tom, Dark, and others, I am not sure that anyone is misrepresenting your position, Dark. You want tangible benefits to a very small set of criteria, but life is made up of a combination of both tangibles and intangibles. For instance, perhaps you don’t spell check because you are using XP. A benefit to using a Mac is that the spell checker is built in and system wide, meaning that you can take advantage of it anywhere with no additional cost. I’m not sure if later versions of Windows have this, but I know for along time Microsoft wanted that to be a premium feature available only in Office. However, that benefit would not impact you directly, only those of us reading your messages. It would be, to you at least, an intangible benefit that would impact how you are perceived by others. However, it does not fall into your very narrow parameters, and so therefore you discount it. In the case of those clinging to XP such as yourself, whether out of stubbornness or necessity, the biggest concern I have is security. Perhaps it will take a major catastrophe, such as a loss of data, identity theft, loss of funds in one’s bank account, to wake some of you up. It won’t happen to everyone, but the more blasé you are about the security benefits of upgrading, the more likely you are to be one of those victims. But again, this is an intangible that you will not care about until you are one of them. It is one thing to decide that now is not the time for you to upgrade. That’s your decision. I think Tom and I are only pointing out good reasons you may wish to that you have dismissed based on misinformation or flawed logic. On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:36 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I was probably thinking of vista, since I do know when getting my desktop repared in 2008 I very much didn't want a machine with newer windows, which was one other advantage of going to a local custom manufacturer since all the main shops like Pc world were the slaves of microsoft and ramming newer versions down people's throats. Well I have said under what circumstances I'll upgrade. Yes, I can run xp in a virtual machine and I am glad there is that option, but if the newer os doesn't actually bennifit me, well why have the hassle? to be honest I can understand that someone like yourself who cares about all the technical stuff is interested in the newer os, but I am getting slightly irritated with having the position I'm in missrepresented or missunderstoo. I do not think xp is the best thing there ever will be, neither do I reffuse to upgrade, I merely don't see the point at the moment, that is all, and I fully expect in the future that this will change when a new os actually make a practical difference that is worth the hassle. That is another reason I spent time playing with Windows 7 and I'd like to try mac and windows 8 in the same way, although at this point in time I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be a hardware not a software change such as touch screen control or something like. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Dallas, Yeah, time is definitely passing by. I guess the reason I thought Windows 7 came out in 2010 because that must have been when I upgraded my machines from Vista to Windows 7. Still, it is hard to believe that much time has gone by, and Windows 8 is a year old already. It does not seem possible, but it is. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: yep, I know. lol. it's amusing in a sense, it doesn't feel that long ago that 7 came out. but when you look at it, its now 4 years old. even windows 8 is now a year old. time gos fast, doesn't it. dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Hi Charles, Yes, I do see your point, but as I pointed out in professional wrestling there is both wrestling and a lot of the extra stuff you mentioned. The WWE is definitely one for having a lot of artistic stunt work such as throwing people through tables, people getting thrown from ladders, being beat over the head with steel chairs, the reff getting knocked out during a critical point in the match, and I agree that stuff is not wrestling. That stuff is just stunt work to keep the fans interested in the ongoing storyline. However, at the same time there is some very technical wrestling involved here which you seem to be ignoring. Every pro show I have ever watched has some basic wrestling such as reverse chinlocks, headlocks, arm drags, hip tosses, and so forth which are just as apart of an amateur match as a pro show. If that stuff is not wrestling then what is it? I guess it sounds to me you are making a case for all or nothing which I don't think it is that black and white. From what I am getting from your messages if pro wrestling is half wrestling and half stunt work then it is not wrestling. However, if you go to your local high school match which has no stunt work and 100% wrestling that is wrestling. That is just too black and white for me as I think there is a gray area here that you seem to be overlooking. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: When I used to watch the wrestlers on TV, they would use something to cut the opponent, break chairs on heads, put the referee out of commission, and stuff like that. This is not wrestling. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Hi Charles, If that really is the case then I shall certainly consider it. In any case, it shouldn't be too hard to remove the shareware restrictions from it if I decide to. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Although I can see how gamers might feel that they could have gotten it for free if they had waited, I don't think this applies, as you are not giving it away out of generosity while staying in business. There will be no updates or support in the future, right? In this case, you are closing up shop, making the situation totally different. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Josh, Just a note about the spell checker. It is true that in older versions of Outlook Express it did not come with a spell checker. However, Windows Live Mail, the e-mail client that replaces Outlook Express on Windows 7 and Windows 8, does come with a spell checker. So that does help your point about upgrading having both tangible and intangible benefits. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Hi Tom, Dark, and others, I am not sure that anyone is misrepresenting your position, Dark. You want tangible benefits to a very small set of criteria, but life is made up of a combination of both tangibles and intangibles. For instance, perhaps you don’t spell check because you are using XP. A benefit to using a Mac is that the spell checker is built in and system wide, meaning that you can take advantage of it anywhere with no additional cost. I’m not sure if later versions of Windows have this, but I know for along time Microsoft wanted that to be a premium feature available only in Office. However, that benefit would not impact you directly, only those of us reading your messages. It would be, to you at least, an intangible benefit that would impact how you are perceived by others. However, it does not fall into your very narrow parameters, and so therefore you discount it. In the case of those clinging to XP such as yourself, whether out of stubbornness or necessity, the biggest concern I have is security. Perhaps it will take a major catastrophe, such as a loss of data, identity theft, loss of funds in one’s bank account, to wake some of you up. It won’t happen to everyone, but the more blasé you are about the security benefits of upgrading, the more likely you are to be one of those victims. But again, this is an intangible that you will not care about until you are one of them. It is one thing to decide that now is not the time for you to upgrade. That’s your decision. I think Tom and I are only pointing out good reasons you may wish to that you have dismissed based on misinformation or flawed logic. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Dark, I certainly don't want to misrepresent your position, and I do think I understand your position very well. I guess for me I'm just very concerned that you are making a bad decision based on very flawed criteria, or at the very least the perceived benefits you are looking for are too me a bit short sighted. Bottom line, we don't see this the same way and I guess we probably never will. I am very concerned about security, feel people should take it more seriously than they do, and you are being less concerned about it than I feel is warranted. Same could be said about hardware and other things I pointed out. You don't see any benefit, fine, but that does not mean my points are not valid. It is just that you have a totally different outlook and do not value the same things I do when it comes to hardware and software. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I was probably thinking of vista, since I do know when getting my desktop repared in 2008 I very much didn't want a machine with newer windows, which was one other advantage of going to a local custom manufacturer since all the main shops like Pc world were the slaves of microsoft and ramming newer versions down people's throats. Well I have said under what circumstances I'll upgrade. Yes, I can run xp in a virtual machine and I am glad there is that option, but if the newer os doesn't actually bennifit me, well why have the hassle? to be honest I can understand that someone like yourself who cares about all the technical stuff is interested in the newer os, but I am getting slightly irritated with having the position I'm in missrepresented or missunderstoo. I do not think xp is the best thing there ever will be, neither do I reffuse to upgrade, I merely don't see the point at the moment, that is all, and I fully expect in the future that this will change when a new os actually make a practical difference that is worth the hassle. That is another reason I spent time playing with Windows 7 and I'd like to try mac and windows 8 in the same way, although at this point in time I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be a hardware not a software change such as touch screen control or something like. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Rail Racer 2 and mac numpad
Hi all, I have set up a thread on the forums at audio games: www.audiogames.net in the new releases section called rail racer cometh for those interested in purchasing and playing the public beta. Right now, the online chat feature uses the num pad to review messages, for instance numpad 1 repeats the last message. However, mac laptops don't seem to have a num pad emulation, at least that is what I have been told. Is this correct? There is no modifier key you can use to have a numpad on the keyboard? The last few windows laptops I used were able to do this with a modifier key, surely there is something similar on macs? Lastly, if anyone is running rr 2 on a mac in windows mode, and your having issues racing online, please let me know. We have at least one user that is failing to run online, and I'm not sure why at this point. Please email me off list if your running rr 2 online with a mac. Email address is: blindadrenal...@gmail.com thanks all che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rail Racer 2 and mac numpad
Please, I Purchase your game Rail racer, but I don.t get license key. I have windows 7, What can I do with? Thank you very much. Dne 18.12.2013 17:12, Che Martin napsal(a): Hi all, I have set up a thread on the forums at audio games: www.audiogames.net in the new releases section called rail racer cometh for those interested in purchasing and playing the public beta. Right now, the online chat feature uses the num pad to review messages, for instance numpad 1 repeats the last message. However, mac laptops don't seem to have a num pad emulation, at least that is what I have been told. Is this correct? There is no modifier key you can use to have a numpad on the keyboard? The last few windows laptops I used were able to do this with a modifier key, surely there is something similar on macs? Lastly, if anyone is running rr 2 on a mac in windows mode, and your having issues racing online, please let me know. We have at least one user that is failing to run online, and I'm not sure why at this point. Please email me off list if your running rr 2 online with a mac. Email address is: blindadrenal...@gmail.com thanks all che --- Gamers mailing list __gam...@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail togamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail togamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lukáš Kakara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Yes, there are very legitimate wrestling holds and moves that are done, and I am not ignoring them. However, my point is that, to me, professional sports should be just that; professional. Throwing someone through furniture or busting furniture across someone's head is not wrestling. If crossing the fowl line is not allowed in amateur bowling, it would also not be allowed in professional bowling. Professional wrestlers should wrestle, not do anything that is not wrestling. Maybe I am a purist, but shouldn't they stick to reasonable rules? If not, then the sport should be renamed to better classify what is and is not allowed. I think that a lot of fighting and illegal play should be clamped down on in a lot of professional sports. The NHL and NBA are prime examples. If these athletes are in a professional sport, they should be penalized for not being professionals. If you put your shoulder down and ram into someone who is in front of you who is a defender, you should be called for charging rather then the defender charged with blocking. If you hit an opponent with a hockey stick, you should be out of the game. They should act like, and be, professionals. You can have a very entertaining hockey, basketball, or wrestling match even if you follow the rules. Illegal and unnecessary violence, merely to keep the fans interested, is not needed. If it is, then there's something wrong with this picture. I prefer seeing basketball rather than basketbrawl. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, Yes, I do see your point, but as I pointed out in professional wrestling there is both wrestling and a lot of the extra stuff you mentioned. The WWE is definitely one for having a lot of artistic stunt work such as throwing people through tables, people getting thrown from ladders, being beat over the head with steel chairs, the reff getting knocked out during a critical point in the match, and I agree that stuff is not wrestling. That stuff is just stunt work to keep the fans interested in the ongoing storyline. However, at the same time there is some very technical wrestling involved here which you seem to be ignoring. Every pro show I have ever watched has some basic wrestling such as reverse chinlocks, headlocks, arm drags, hip tosses, and so forth which are just as apart of an amateur match as a pro show. If that stuff is not wrestling then what is it? I guess it sounds to me you are making a case for all or nothing which I don't think it is that black and white. From what I am getting from your messages if pro wrestling is half wrestling and half stunt work then it is not wrestling. However, if you go to your local high school match which has no stunt work and 100% wrestling that is wrestling. That is just too black and white for me as I think there is a gray area here that you seem to be overlooking. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: When I used to watch the wrestlers on TV, they would use something to cut the opponent, break chairs on heads, put the referee out of commission, and stuff like that. This is not wrestling. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Well i wouldn't say my criteria are that narrow, I just want something that actually is of some use to me in what I do. To me your like someone who says buy this new car. it doesn't go any faster, use less fuel or handle better, but it's got different engine parts and so will wear out in 40 years rather than 30 years, and all the controls are layed out differently so you'll have to spend time learning to use it again Forgive me if I actually want something that drives better if I've got to take the time to learn again. I also wouldn't describe spell check as an intangible bennifit either, it would indeed be fairly evident, although I do have to equally balance it against the fact that I lose the convenient contacts list one tab away from my in box in outlook express and would be entirely reliant upon the auto complete feature of windows live mail or searching through the address book to find the person I wanted to E-mail, which is something I could get used to eventually though it is more inconvenient than just having all my contacts immediately there. As I said I also do take security seriously and will discuss this with Avg in April, although I do believe more people are paranoid about it than need to be considdering that a lot of very basic practical steps can be taken even before you considder the operating system. For example, since none of my bank account details are located on my computer at all and I only ever pay for things online on a credit card with an extremely low limit who's payments I must personally authorise at the bank, it'd be nearly impossible for anyone to actually steal any money from me even if they did hack my computer. The most a person could do is make one payment on my credit card, and assuming they didn't hit my low limit and get automatically cancelled by it, I've still not lost anything since as soon as I noticed the payment I hadn't made i could cancel the card and the bill, (an advantage with having a credit card with my bank). this actually happened to a friend of mine, not with a net credit card but with someone happening to see and replicate her credit card number in a shop and indeed since it was a card it was possible to cancel. As I said, I do take security as a serious matter, though though things like user account control (which most people turn off anyway), just seem more pointless hassle to me, since it's not something that has ever caused problems in xp. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Hi but, you are closing up shop, so i don't see it a big deal, after all we only paid $10 or the equivalent for a license, i know it's money but not much is it compared to say $100, just some thoughts. Regards Chris. On 18/12/2013 15:06, Damien C. S. Pendleton wrote: Chris, I did consider that, as it has been done so much in the past. However I figured it wasn't fair on the customers who have actually paid for a licence, to have that feeling of, Oh, if I'd waited so long, I could have gotten it for free. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Chris H Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just a thought but why not make X-Wheel abandonware? I'm not condoning piracy in any way at all, it's just a suggestion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Yeah but that is just the way things go sometimes. Plus, I am sure the folks that payed were glad to support you at the time. That is how I would feel. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien C. S. Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Chris, I did consider that, as it has been done so much in the past. However I figured it wasn't fair on the customers who have actually paid for a licence, to have that feeling of, Oh, if I'd waited so long, I could have gotten it for free. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Chris H Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just a thought but why not make X-Wheel abandonware? I'm not condoning piracy in any way at all, it's just a suggestion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Well, look at iOs 7. I really didn't want to upgrade. I was used to iOS6, but apps just stopped working with 6, like Fleksy, so I had no choice. Also, i wanted the opportunity to try DoItWrite, but that alone didn't convince me to upgrade. There were too many bugs, too much hastle--but when things quit working I took the plunge. Imagine my great joy when all my games still worked, and Aurifi even works better on 7. I've been playing Aurifi for days now, and wish I'd upgraded sooner since it's one of my top three faves. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes! If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Well tome there is also the fact that it is possible to get used to just about anything, indeed there are situations where the human ability to do this is quite scary. I suspect I could learn to live with windows 7 if there was actually a reason to do so, the same way I learnt to use the Iphone touch screen. This is however also why i tried Ios before I bought an Iphone, since if I was going to spend that amount of money on something I wanted to be dam sure about it first. One problem however I think if you lack sight generally with any interface is because you don't have the quick and instant aaccess to information and overview a sighted person does, you are naturally going to take more time learning new positions and thus be more wary of any change in that established learn routine. Think of it this way, suppose you go into your favourite local restauant and they've utterly rearranged the tables so that the counter is at the opposite end of the room. for a sighted person, no problem. But for a blind person who neesd to remember the positioning of objects it means more learning. This is especially true when things are complex. Of course, everyone gets used to doing this, however it still takes time and energy that a sighted person does not have to expend. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Ditto. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes! If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Yeah but that is just the way things go sometimes. Plus, I am sure the folks that payed were glad to support you at the time. That is how I would feel. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien C. S. Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Chris, I did consider that, as it has been done so much in the past. However I figured it wasn't fair on the customers who have actually paid for a licence, to have that feeling of, Oh, if I'd waited so long, I could have gotten it for free. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Chris H Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just a thought but why not make X-Wheel abandonware? I'm not condoning piracy in any way at all, it's just a suggestion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Well said sir! -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just to make sure that I wasn't misunderstood: I was not criticizing you in any way. I was just pointing out that the thinking of some gamers might not be right. Don't wait for a game to possibly be abandoned so that you can get it for free. If enough gamers do this, then the developer will go out of business due to a lack of sales, which hurts everyone involved. If you have the money to support a developer by buying a game that you like, buy it. That money does help the developer to continue doing so. The more money they get, the more they can produce. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Damien C. S. Pendleton dam...@dcpendleton.co.uk To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Hi Charles, If that really is the case then I shall certainly consider it. In any case, it shouldn't be too hard to remove the shareware restrictions from it if I decide to. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Although I can see how gamers might feel that they could have gotten it for free if they had waited, I don't think this applies, as you are not giving it away out of generosity while staying in business. There will be no updates or support in the future, right? In this case, you are closing up shop, making the situation totally different. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Just to make sure that I wasn't misunderstood: I was not criticizing you in any way. I was just pointing out that the thinking of some gamers might not be right. Don't wait for a game to possibly be abandoned so that you can get it for free. If enough gamers do this, then the developer will go out of business due to a lack of sales, which hurts everyone involved. If you have the money to support a developer by buying a game that you like, buy it. That money does help the developer to continue doing so. The more money they get, the more they can produce. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Damien C. S. Pendleton dam...@dcpendleton.co.uk To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Hi Charles, If that really is the case then I shall certainly consider it. In any case, it shouldn't be too hard to remove the shareware restrictions from it if I decide to. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Although I can see how gamers might feel that they could have gotten it for free if they had waited, I don't think this applies, as you are not giving it away out of generosity while staying in business. There will be no updates or support in the future, right? In this case, you are closing up shop, making the situation totally different. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Well Tom I do agree our criteria are different. I think part of this is that you, as a person with a rpactical interest in computers attach some sort of intrinsic value to the efficiency of hardware and software. You care for example that modern machines have more ram and use more memory more efficiently as a basic good in and of itself, you see a computer as a designed object with some sort of value in and of itself, perhaps even an aesthetic appreciation for it's correct running. I confess I don't understand this, since for me a computer has only instrumental value and has no worth above and beyond what it can do for me. To take another example, I know there are now consoles around that in technology are orders of magnitude more powerful than the capabilities of my snes, yet because they don't have games I can play, I don't care about them, indeed on a personal level I rather wish Nintendo was still developing snes games that I could play rather than games for more powerful modern consoles that I can't, for all I know that isn't going to happen. As I've said I'm fairly certain that at some point in the future the situation with respect to computers at least will change, but it certainly hasn't as yet. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] spelling in XP - Re: mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
I do have a spell checker that I found on the Internet. I use Outlook Express 6 and Windows XP home edition. The spell checker was free. I have it always running. It is not an inconvenience at all. Although I am a good speller, I do want to give a good impression, and I do make occasional typos and spelling mistakes. In fact, I just made one on purpose, and you won't even notice it, because it alerted me to my error and I chose to correct it as suggested. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Hi Tom, Dark, and others, I am not sure that anyone is misrepresenting your position, Dark. You want tangible benefits to a very small set of criteria, but life is made up of a combination of both tangibles and intangibles. For instance, perhaps you don’t spell check because you are using XP. A benefit to using a Mac is that the spell checker is built in and system wide, meaning that you can take advantage of it anywhere with no additional cost. I’m not sure if later versions of Windows have this, but I know for along time Microsoft wanted that to be a premium feature available only in Office. However, that benefit would not impact you directly, only those of us reading your messages. It would be, to you at least, an intangible benefit that would impact how you are perceived by others. However, it does not fall into your very narrow parameters, and so therefore you discount it. In the case of those clinging to XP such as yourself, whether out of stubbornness or necessity, the biggest concern I have is security. Perhaps it will take a major catastrophe, such as a loss of data, identity theft, loss of funds in one’s bank account, to wake some of you up. It won’t happen to everyone, but the more blasé you are about the security benefits of upgrading, the more likely you are to be one of those victims. But again, this is an intangible that you will not care about until you are one of them. It is one thing to decide that now is not the time for you to upgrade. That’s your decision. I think Tom and I are only pointing out good reasons you may wish to that you have dismissed based on misinformation or flawed logic. On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:36 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I was probably thinking of vista, since I do know when getting my desktop repared in 2008 I very much didn't want a machine with newer windows, which was one other advantage of going to a local custom manufacturer since all the main shops like Pc world were the slaves of microsoft and ramming newer versions down people's throats. Well I have said under what circumstances I'll upgrade. Yes, I can run xp in a virtual machine and I am glad there is that option, but if the newer os doesn't actually bennifit me, well why have the hassle? to be honest I can understand that someone like yourself who cares about all the technical stuff is interested in the newer os, but I am getting slightly irritated with having the position I'm in missrepresented or missunderstoo. I do not think xp is the best thing there ever will be, neither do I reffuse to upgrade, I merely don't see the point at the moment, that is all, and I fully expect in the future that this will change when a new os actually make a practical difference that is worth the hassle. That is another reason I spent time playing with Windows 7 and I'd like to try mac and windows 8 in the same way, although at this point in time I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be a hardware not a software change such as touch screen control or something like. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Pro wrestling doesn't pretend to be a sport in the same way that hockey, basketball, and don't forget football. You take or leave the violence, because it's an inherent part of the experience. It's not meant to be competetive. It doesn't even pretend to be that. It's mindless fun, IMO. I like a little mindless fun every once in awhile. Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Charles Rivard wrote: Yes, there are very legitimate wrestling holds and moves that are done, and I am not ignoring them. However, my point is that, to me, professional sports should be just that; professional. Throwing someone through furniture or busting furniture across someone's head is not wrestling. If crossing the fowl line is not allowed in amateur bowling, it would also not be allowed in professional bowling. Professional wrestlers should wrestle, not do anything that is not wrestling. Maybe I am a purist, but shouldn't they stick to reasonable rules? If not, then the sport should be renamed to better classify what is and is not allowed. I think that a lot of fighting and illegal play should be clamped down on in a lot of professional sports. The NHL and NBA are prime examples. If these athletes are in a professional sport, they should be penalized for not being professionals. If you put your shoulder down and ram into someone who is in front of you who is a defender, you should be called for charging rather then the defender charged with blocking. If you hit an opponent with a hockey stick, you should be out of the game. They should act like, and be, professionals. You can have a very entertaining hockey, basketball, or wrestling match even if you follow the rules. Illegal and unnecessary violence, merely to keep the fans interested, is not needed. If it is, then there's something wrong with this picture. I prefer seeing basketball rather than basketbrawl. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, Yes, I do see your point, but as I pointed out in professional wrestling there is both wrestling and a lot of the extra stuff you mentioned. The WWE is definitely one for having a lot of artistic stunt work such as throwing people through tables, people getting thrown from ladders, being beat over the head with steel chairs, the reff getting knocked out during a critical point in the match, and I agree that stuff is not wrestling. That stuff is just stunt work to keep the fans interested in the ongoing storyline. However, at the same time there is some very technical wrestling involved here which you seem to be ignoring. Every pro show I have ever watched has some basic wrestling such as reverse chinlocks, headlocks, arm drags, hip tosses, and so forth which are just as apart of an amateur match as a pro show. If that stuff is not wrestling then what is it? I guess it sounds to me you are making a case for all or nothing which I don't think it is that black and white. From what I am getting from your messages if pro wrestling is half wrestling and half stunt work then it is not wrestling. However, if you go to your local high school match which has no stunt work and 100% wrestling that is wrestling. That is just too black and white for me as I think there is a gray area here that you seem to be overlooking. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: When I used to watch the wrestlers on TV, they would use something to cut the opponent, break chairs on heads, put the referee out of commission, and stuff like that. This is not wrestling. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Every pro wrestling fan knows it's not wrestling. But it's a good show, though. :) Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Charles Rivard wrote: When I used to watch the wrestlers on TV, they would use something to cut the opponent, break chairs on heads, put the referee out of commission, and stuff like that. This is not wrestling. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, To be honest this sounds like another one of your categorical statements without evidence or reasons to back it up. Why exactly do you think professional wrestling is not wrestling? The reason I take issue with your opinion is this. I have been watching or listening to professional wrestling for 30 years and have watched AWA, NWA, WWE, TNA, WCW, etc and while there is certainly what you call artistic stunt work involved many of those professional wrestlers use the same holds and moves you would find in amateur wrestling. I use to watch amateur wrestling matches such as high school wrestling, it is different, but not so different that pro wrestling should not be called wrestling. The main difference I see in pro wrestling is the companies like WWE fix matches, write storylines, and of course use a lot of flashy moves that are for show along with traditional wrestling holds and throws. Where with amateur wrestling nothing is scripted and the wrestlers win or lose by skill alone. So I am just interested to know what your opinion is based on. Cheers! On 12/17/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: What they do is artistic stunt work, I think. Although it is an art form, and some wrestling moves and holds are used, it is not wrestling. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
I do sort of see charlse point here, that pro wrestling with the staged matches, supposed foul moves etc isn't exactly the same as another professional sport, even another combat sport like boxing or olypic wrestling or competitive martial arts. I wouldn't say it's not wrestling though since as has been pointed out it does employ many legitimate wrestling holds, move and throws, and indeed wrestlers like Curt Angle actually have done both the WWE style of wrestling and the real thing in the Olympics. I have heard people who do mixed martial arts and the like who utilise many wrestling holds describe it as show wrestling which seems an accurate description. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Equally though ken, Ios 7 didn't stop anything in ios 6 working, and to me at least the interface is similar enough so there wasn't much hassle getting used to it. I admit I didn't grab it straight away, I checked what bennifits it came with, but the Siri upgrades convinced me it was a something better, plus it didn't seem I was particularly losing much by upgrading other than perhaps moving some icons around. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Ken Downey kenwdow...@thepionear.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Well, look at iOs 7. I really didn't want to upgrade. I was used to iOS6, but apps just stopped working with 6, like Fleksy, so I had no choice. Also, i wanted the opportunity to try DoItWrite, but that alone didn't convince me to upgrade. There were too many bugs, too much hastle--but when things quit working I took the plunge. Imagine my great joy when all my games still worked, and Aurifi even works better on 7. I've been playing Aurifi for days now, and wish I'd upgraded sooner since it's one of my top three faves. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes! If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Well tome there is also the fact that it is possible to get used to just about anything, indeed there are situations where the human ability to do this is quite scary. I suspect I could learn to live with windows 7 if there was actually a reason to do so, the same way I learnt to use the Iphone touch screen. This is however also why i tried Ios before I bought an Iphone, since if I was going to spend that amount of money on something I wanted to be dam sure about it first. One problem however I think if you lack sight generally with any interface is because you don't have the quick and instant aaccess to information and overview a sighted person does, you are naturally going to take more time learning new positions and thus be more wary of any change in that established learn routine. Think of it this way, suppose you go into your favourite local restauant and they've utterly rearranged the tables so that the counter is at the opposite end of the room. for a sighted person, no problem. But for a blind person who neesd to remember the positioning of objects it means more learning. This is especially true when things are complex. Of course, everyone gets used to doing this, however it still takes time and energy that a sighted person does not have to expend. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Ah, but if we upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 8.1, will all of our games still work? You're comparing apples to oranges. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Ken Downey kenwdow...@thepionear.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Well, look at iOs 7. I really didn't want to upgrade. I was used to iOS6, but apps just stopped working with 6, like Fleksy, so I had no choice. Also, i wanted the opportunity to try DoItWrite, but that alone didn't convince me to upgrade. There were too many bugs, too much hastle--but when things quit working I took the plunge. Imagine my great joy when all my games still worked, and Aurifi even works better on 7. I've been playing Aurifi for days now, and wish I'd upgraded sooner since it's one of my top three faves. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes! If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Well tome there is also the fact that it is possible to get used to just about anything, indeed there are situations where the human ability to do this is quite scary. I suspect I could learn to live with windows 7 if there was actually a reason to do so, the same way I learnt to use the Iphone touch screen. This is however also why i tried Ios before I bought an Iphone, since if I was going to spend that amount of money on something I wanted to be dam sure about it first. One problem however I think if you lack sight generally with any interface is because you don't have the quick and instant aaccess to information and overview a sighted person does, you are naturally going to take more time learning new positions and thus be more wary of any change in that established learn routine. Think of it this way, suppose you go into your favourite local restauant and they've utterly rearranged the tables so that the counter is at the opposite end of the room. for a sighted person, no problem. But for a blind person who neesd to remember the positioning of objects it means more learning. This is especially true when things are complex. Of course, everyone gets used to doing this, however it still takes time and energy that a sighted person does not have to expend. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Arifi still works? I like that game a lot. I just haven't played it for awhile. Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Ken Downey wrote: Well, look at iOs 7. I really didn't want to upgrade. I was used to iOS6, but apps just stopped working with 6, like Fleksy, so I had no choice. Also, i wanted the opportunity to try DoItWrite, but that alone didn't convince me to upgrade. There were too many bugs, too much hastle--but when things quit working I took the plunge. Imagine my great joy when all my games still worked, and Aurifi even works better on 7. I've been playing Aurifi for days now, and wish I'd upgraded sooner since it's one of my top three faves. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes! If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Sir was my Dad. Not me. (grin) --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Well said sir! -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just to make sure that I wasn't misunderstood: I was not criticizing you in any way. I was just pointing out that the thinking of some gamers might not be right. Don't wait for a game to possibly be abandoned so that you can get it for free. If enough gamers do this, then the developer will go out of business due to a lack of sales, which hurts everyone involved. If you have the money to support a developer by buying a game that you like, buy it. That money does help the developer to continue doing so. The more money they get, the more they can produce. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Damien C. S. Pendleton dam...@dcpendleton.co.uk To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Hi Charles, If that really is the case then I shall certainly consider it. In any case, it shouldn't be too hard to remove the shareware restrictions from it if I decide to. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Although I can see how gamers might feel that they could have gotten it for free if they had waited, I don't think this applies, as you are not giving it away out of generosity while staying in business. There will be no updates or support in the future, right? In this case, you are closing up shop, making the situation totally different. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rail Racer 2 and mac numpad
Hi lucas, Please email me off list with your email address and I will check your purchase. I have sent out licenses to everyone that has purchased the game, so make sure and check your junk folder as well. Again, email me off list at: blindadrenal...@gmail.com thanks che -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Lukáš Kakara Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Rail Racer 2 and mac numpad Please, I Purchase your game Rail racer, but I don.t get license key. I have windows 7, What can I do with? Thank you very much. Dne 18.12.2013 17:12, Che Martin napsal(a): Hi all, I have set up a thread on the forums at audio games: www.audiogames.net in the new releases section called rail racer cometh for those interested in purchasing and playing the public beta. Right now, the online chat feature uses the num pad to review messages, for instance numpad 1 repeats the last message. However, mac laptops don't seem to have a num pad emulation, at least that is what I have been told. Is this correct? There is no modifier key you can use to have a numpad on the keyboard? The last few windows laptops I used were able to do this with a modifier key, surely there is something similar on macs? Lastly, if anyone is running rr 2 on a mac in windows mode, and your having issues racing online, please let me know. We have at least one user that is failing to run online, and I'm not sure why at this point. Please email me off list if your running rr 2 online with a mac. Email address is: blindadrenal...@gmail.com thanks all che --- Gamers mailing list __gam...@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail togamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail togamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lukáš Kakara --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Aurify, or however it is spelled, works with ios7. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Arifi still works? I like that game a lot. I just haven't played it for awhile. Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Ken Downey wrote: Well, look at iOs 7. I really didn't want to upgrade. I was used to iOS6, but apps just stopped working with 6, like Fleksy, so I had no choice. Also, i wanted the opportunity to try DoItWrite, but that alone didn't convince me to upgrade. There were too many bugs, too much hastle--but when things quit working I took the plunge. Imagine my great joy when all my games still worked, and Aurifi even works better on 7. I've been playing Aurifi for days now, and wish I'd upgraded sooner since it's one of my top three faves. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes! If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
If gamers see a compilation that includes games that are no longer available, those compilations have not been updated. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Matheus Rheine an...@bol.com.br To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Hi Damien. Really sorry to see x-sight closing its doors, I remember playing river raiders for countless hours, it was so simple and so fun at the same time! I have to agree with Darren. Of course the final choice is yours, but just look at the mobile market. Iphone, android. Many times I've paid $5 or even more for an app and suddenly it becomes free. My initial thoughts were exactly what you described.. Damn, if I waited just a little longer I could save these dollars. But I considered the situation again and thought I'm having so much fun with the game/app/etc that I don't mind spending the money, after all it was worth it. Look at bsc games. Justin decided to close it, he sold the key generator, now it's unavailable. I'm wondering about new audiogamers that will come next year.. they will go to audiogames.net, pcsgames.net or any other site with a compilation of all the games available for blind, read the description of troopanum, pipe, etc and see that they can't get it because it was too late. They won't be able to enjoy your work. Otherwise if you make it free I'm sure it will live forever, these days looking at the audiogames forum someone uploaded a very big abandonware archive with lots of games, it had almost 700 mb of old stuff that can still be enjoyable. Here's the link to the topic to prove it: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=4830 Anyway, I just want to say good luck and hope you have a very successful life. All the best, Matheus Rheine Paralympic Swimmer -Mensagem original- De: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com Para: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Data: Quarta, 18 de Dezembro de 2013 11:15 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Yeah but that is just the way things go sometimes. Plus, I am sure the folks that payed were glad to support you at the time. That is how I would feel. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien C. S. Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Chris, I did consider that, as it has been done so much in the past. However I figured it wasn't fair on the customers who have actually paid for a licence, to have that feeling of, Oh, if I'd waited so long, I could have gotten it for free. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Chris H Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just a thought but why not make X-Wheel abandonware? I'm not condoning piracy in any way at all, it's just a suggestion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please
Re: [Audyssey] Rail Racer 2 and mac numpad
Yo Che, Yup, out of the box Apple don't imbed numpad functionality into their portables now. Haven't done for a few years. I emailed accessibility to request that they reintroduce the feature drawing their attention to the fact that they provided numpad commander as a feature of VoiceOver, then dropped imbedded numpads. VO users are just the tip of the iceberg though, I know plenty of sighted musos and design folks who miss the functionality. In Mac OS, there's a free utility called KeyRemap4Macbook that does an awesome job of filling the gap, but I'm guessing RR2 is a Windows only release? You'd think a similar utility would exist for Windows though! I know Apple's dodgy keyboard driver passes the F/N key to some extent, because it works in conjunction with the F keys to tweak brightness, volume etc. If you'd like, I can drop the KeyRemap4Macbook developer a line to see if he has any suggestions. He's implemented some tweaks specifically for Boot Camp users in his other utility, and seems to get his jollies from remapping, so maybe he'd be able to shed some light. Scott On 12/18/13, Che Martin blindadrenal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have set up a thread on the forums at audio games: www.audiogames.net in the new releases section called rail racer cometh for those interested in purchasing and playing the public beta. Right now, the online chat feature uses the num pad to review messages, for instance numpad 1 repeats the last message. However, mac laptops don't seem to have a num pad emulation, at least that is what I have been told. Is this correct? There is no modifier key you can use to have a numpad on the keyboard? The last few windows laptops I used were able to do this with a modifier key, surely there is something similar on macs? Lastly, if anyone is running rr 2 on a mac in windows mode, and your having issues racing online, please let me know. We have at least one user that is failing to run online, and I'm not sure why at this point. Please email me off list if your running rr 2 online with a mac. Email address is: blindadrenal...@gmail.com thanks all che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Hi no, i do not mind what he does, i was just suggesting for those who never got the opportunity to buy a license for the games. Regards Chris. On 18/12/2013 16:24, Ken Downey wrote: Ditto. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes! If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Yeah but that is just the way things go sometimes. Plus, I am sure the folks that payed were glad to support you at the time. That is how I would feel. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien C. S. Pendleton Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Chris, I did consider that, as it has been done so much in the past. However I figured it wasn't fair on the customers who have actually paid for a licence, to have that feeling of, Oh, if I'd waited so long, I could have gotten it for free. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Chris H Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just a thought but why not make X-Wheel abandonware? I'm not condoning piracy in any way at all, it's just a suggestion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
Lol fair enough then! Lol! -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:51 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Sir was my Dad. Not me. (grin) --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Well said sir! -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Just to make sure that I wasn't misunderstood: I was not criticizing you in any way. I was just pointing out that the thinking of some gamers might not be right. Don't wait for a game to possibly be abandoned so that you can get it for free. If enough gamers do this, then the developer will go out of business due to a lack of sales, which hurts everyone involved. If you have the money to support a developer by buying a game that you like, buy it. That money does help the developer to continue doing so. The more money they get, the more they can produce. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Damien C. S. Pendleton dam...@dcpendleton.co.uk To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Hi Charles, If that really is the case then I shall certainly consider it. In any case, it shouldn't be too hard to remove the shareware restrictions from it if I decide to. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Although I can see how gamers might feel that they could have gotten it for free if they had waited, I don't think this applies, as you are not giving it away out of generosity while staying in business. There will be no updates or support in the future, right? In this case, you are closing up shop, making the situation totally different. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] spelling in XP - Re: mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Charles, You are completely missing the point. The point Josh was making is that Outlook Express does not come with a spell checker by default. Microsoft intentionally left it out, because they wanted you to buy Office to get it. In Mac OS the spell checker is a core component and you don't have to go download some third-party spell checker program because it already comes with the OS. For some people that may have some tangible value and may be one more feature in favor of Mac over XP. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I do have a spell checker that I found on the Internet. I use Outlook Express 6 and Windows XP home edition. The spell checker was free. I have it always running. It is not an inconvenience at all. Although I am a good speller, I do want to give a good impression, and I do make occasional typos and spelling mistakes. In fact, I just made one on purpose, and you won't even notice it, because it alerted me to my error and I chose to correct it as suggested. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rail Racer 2 and mac numpad
Yeah, sounds like a possibility scott, but hate for users to have to install more third party stuff just to use my game. Hmm, looks like I'll have to come up with a different solution, that sucks, already spent a lot of time getting this num pad thing to work. Ah well, live and learn. Later Che -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Scott Chesworth Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:09 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Rail Racer 2 and mac numpad Yo Che, Yup, out of the box Apple don't imbed numpad functionality into their portables now. Haven't done for a few years. I emailed accessibility to request that they reintroduce the feature drawing their attention to the fact that they provided numpad commander as a feature of VoiceOver, then dropped imbedded numpads. VO users are just the tip of the iceberg though, I know plenty of sighted musos and design folks who miss the functionality. In Mac OS, there's a free utility called KeyRemap4Macbook that does an awesome job of filling the gap, but I'm guessing RR2 is a Windows only release? You'd think a similar utility would exist for Windows though! I know Apple's dodgy keyboard driver passes the F/N key to some extent, because it works in conjunction with the F keys to tweak brightness, volume etc. If you'd like, I can drop the KeyRemap4Macbook developer a line to see if he has any suggestions. He's implemented some tweaks specifically for Boot Camp users in his other utility, and seems to get his jollies from remapping, so maybe he'd be able to shed some light. Scott On 12/18/13, Che Martin blindadrenal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have set up a thread on the forums at audio games: www.audiogames.net in the new releases section called rail racer cometh for those interested in purchasing and playing the public beta. Right now, the online chat feature uses the num pad to review messages, for instance numpad 1 repeats the last message. However, mac laptops don't seem to have a num pad emulation, at least that is what I have been told. Is this correct? There is no modifier key you can use to have a numpad on the keyboard? The last few windows laptops I used were able to do this with a modifier key, surely there is something similar on macs? Lastly, if anyone is running rr 2 on a mac in windows mode, and your having issues racing online, please let me know. We have at least one user that is failing to run online, and I'm not sure why at this point. Please email me off list if your running rr 2 online with a mac. Email address is: blindadrenal...@gmail.com thanks all che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] spelling in XP - Re: mac versus windows sales plusiOS question
You're right. I did miss his point. I do not like the fact that Microsoft purposely did not put the feature into Outlook Express in order to get you to buy some other product. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] spelling in XP - Re: mac versus windows sales plusiOS question Hi Charles, You are completely missing the point. The point Josh was making is that Outlook Express does not come with a spell checker by default. Microsoft intentionally left it out, because they wanted you to buy Office to get it. In Mac OS the spell checker is a core component and you don't have to go download some third-party spell checker program because it already comes with the OS. For some people that may have some tangible value and may be one more feature in favor of Mac over XP. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I do have a spell checker that I found on the Internet. I use Outlook Express 6 and Windows XP home edition. The spell checker was free. I have it always running. It is not an inconvenience at all. Although I am a good speller, I do want to give a good impression, and I do make occasional typos and spelling mistakes. In fact, I just made one on purpose, and you won't even notice it, because it alerted me to my error and I chose to correct it as suggested. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Also xp is going to stop being supported in 2014, so whether users say xp or not is the best are going to have to eventually upgrade. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:05 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Hi Dark, Just a correction here. Windows 7 was released in 2010 not 2007. Windows Vista came out in January 2007. I wanted to point that out as you seem to be confusing the two here. However, I do take your point. The reason XP is still widely supported by websites, some third-party programs, and so forth is that it still holds a significant portion of the Windows PC market. Windows, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8,and Windows 8.1 has not been as successful as Microsoft had planned, and as a result many software developers know cutting XP off at this point is equivalent to cutting their own throats. I'll give you a simple example of that in practice. One of the things I have been looking at is ways I can improve my game engine so that Raceway and MOTA will run better on new Windows machines. The problem is there are a lot of blind users that feel as you do that XP is the best there ever was, the best there is, and the best that will ever be and will not upgrade for any reason. So despite any advantages I could add to my games by targeting a newer version of Windows I would not be able to make as large a profit off my games if I exclude half my customer base. As a developer I have to support whatever a large portion of my potential customers are using. Of course, mainstream companies are less handstrung because they are not selling to a minority market. At some point the number of mainstream users running Windows 7, Windows 8, or 8.1 will out number XP and it won't hurt them to drop XP support. Probably they will begin this migration sometime next year after Microsoft drops support for XP the way they did when Microsoft dropped support for 98 and Millennium. Of course, one problem facing mainstream and accessible technology markets is there are far more users using XP now, than there were 98 users in 2006 when Microsoft dropped Windows 9x support. So third-party support may linger a couple more years until the mainstream market catches up to current Windows technology. The only way I can see personally to deal with the situation is attempt to support both for as long as necessary. What I mean by that with games like MOTA and Raceway they are already XP compatible because they were designed that way from the beginning, and there is no need to cut XP support off at the knees just because something newer came along. I can however release an updated version of both that uses some newer APIs like XAudio2 or have 64-bit builds for newer 64-bit machines. That helps target people running new machines while not removing support for XP in the process. that's the only way I can see being fair to both groups of users at this point. In a couple of years I can consider dropping support for XP in newer games and hopefully people will have made the switch by then. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I do appreciate that in theory, things will stop running on xp, and I can't run new versions, heck I'm still running ie8. The problem is that all the compatibility stuff hasn't yet made any practical difference. I've not found any websites, services, applications or things I want to use that require a better machine than I have. Fundamentally if there was some really good new feature of the updated windows media player, some websites or net games I wanted to play or something else in updates that I couldn't do with xp, I would indeed upgrade the system and get used to it. Regarding security and hardware, well 64 bit actually is a bad thing for me since it ruins compatibility with dos programs, and once again nothing requires it. I can accept that the hardware might be more advanced, but that is of no bennifit to me personally if there is nothing I wish to do that requires it. of course, this situation will not go on forever. I fully expect in several years there will be some awsome new features of new os that I will want to play with, some games or programs that I can't run on xp etc, indeed I'm quite amazed that this hasn't already come up. Back in 2007 when windows 7 was first produced I fully expected by around 2010 or 2011, there to be a lot of games, websites, new and inervative media playback and other peaces of software that I'd need better hardware or a new os for, making the hassle of learning the new interface, kicking out compatibility and mucking about with virtual machines and other things worth my time. I'm actually amazed this hasn't happened yet, and despite the aspersions of certain individuals this is indeed why I have been so careful to
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Only if XP no longer meets their needs. The fact that it isn't being supported does mean that it will no longer operate. If David Greenwood no longer produces or supports the games he currently sells, you can still play them. True, you may get hacked if hackers come up with programs that will infiltrate XP user's computers, but if you keep your antivirus software up to date, that will help. But this is going off topic as to whether go for a Mac or a Windows operating system, and we've gone over the debate as to whether or not to upgrade to a newer Windows version or not several times in the past with neither side changing the minds of the other. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Sky Mundell s...@shaw.ca To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Also xp is going to stop being supported in 2014, so whether users say xp or not is the best are going to have to eventually upgrade. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:05 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Hi Dark, Just a correction here. Windows 7 was released in 2010 not 2007. Windows Vista came out in January 2007. I wanted to point that out as you seem to be confusing the two here. However, I do take your point. The reason XP is still widely supported by websites, some third-party programs, and so forth is that it still holds a significant portion of the Windows PC market. Windows, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8,and Windows 8.1 has not been as successful as Microsoft had planned, and as a result many software developers know cutting XP off at this point is equivalent to cutting their own throats. I'll give you a simple example of that in practice. One of the things I have been looking at is ways I can improve my game engine so that Raceway and MOTA will run better on new Windows machines. The problem is there are a lot of blind users that feel as you do that XP is the best there ever was, the best there is, and the best that will ever be and will not upgrade for any reason. So despite any advantages I could add to my games by targeting a newer version of Windows I would not be able to make as large a profit off my games if I exclude half my customer base. As a developer I have to support whatever a large portion of my potential customers are using. Of course, mainstream companies are less handstrung because they are not selling to a minority market. At some point the number of mainstream users running Windows 7, Windows 8, or 8.1 will out number XP and it won't hurt them to drop XP support. Probably they will begin this migration sometime next year after Microsoft drops support for XP the way they did when Microsoft dropped support for 98 and Millennium. Of course, one problem facing mainstream and accessible technology markets is there are far more users using XP now, than there were 98 users in 2006 when Microsoft dropped Windows 9x support. So third-party support may linger a couple more years until the mainstream market catches up to current Windows technology. The only way I can see personally to deal with the situation is attempt to support both for as long as necessary. What I mean by that with games like MOTA and Raceway they are already XP compatible because they were designed that way from the beginning, and there is no need to cut XP support off at the knees just because something newer came along. I can however release an updated version of both that uses some newer APIs like XAudio2 or have 64-bit builds for newer 64-bit machines. That helps target people running new machines while not removing support for XP in the process. that's the only way I can see being fair to both groups of users at this point. In a couple of years I can consider dropping support for XP in newer games and hopefully people will have made the switch by then. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I do appreciate that in theory, things will stop running on xp, and I can't run new versions, heck I'm still running ie8. The problem is that all the compatibility stuff hasn't yet made any practical difference. I've not found any websites, services, applications or things I want to use that require a better machine than I have. Fundamentally if there was some really good new feature of the updated windows media player, some websites or net games I wanted to play or something else in updates that I couldn't do with xp, I would indeed upgrade the system and get used to it. Regarding security and hardware, well 64 bit actually is a bad thing for me since it ruins compatibility with dos programs, and once again nothing requires it. I can
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Now I absolutely will not get in the middle of this one. :) I will say though, as regards people's responsibilities when it comes to keeping their systems up to date in reference to security, that this is not just a matter of one's own system. One's security really affects everyone with whom that person comes into contact with in their dealings on the web or via email etc. If one's security is compromised or not kept up to date, then that person puts all others at risk, who have any kind of data, email addresses or any other form of identifying info on that person's system. So in short, your security is not just your responsibility for yourself on your own system. It is your responsibility to those you deal with on a regular basis as well. Just like you would not deliberately give your friends a cold, or share a friend's phone number indiscriminately with everyone because they asked you not to, so you should also protect your system not just for yourself but for those you correspond with. Just my thoughts and thanks for reading… Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 18, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, I certainly don't want to misrepresent your position, and I do think I understand your position very well. I guess for me I'm just very concerned that you are making a bad decision based on very flawed criteria, or at the very least the perceived benefits you are looking for are too me a bit short sighted. Bottom line, we don't see this the same way and I guess we probably never will. I am very concerned about security, feel people should take it more seriously than they do, and you are being less concerned about it than I feel is warranted. Same could be said about hardware and other things I pointed out. You don't see any benefit, fine, but that does not mean my points are not valid. It is just that you have a totally different outlook and do not value the same things I do when it comes to hardware and software. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I was probably thinking of vista, since I do know when getting my desktop repared in 2008 I very much didn't want a machine with newer windows, which was one other advantage of going to a local custom manufacturer since all the main shops like Pc world were the slaves of microsoft and ramming newer versions down people's throats. Well I have said under what circumstances I'll upgrade. Yes, I can run xp in a virtual machine and I am glad there is that option, but if the newer os doesn't actually bennifit me, well why have the hassle? to be honest I can understand that someone like yourself who cares about all the technical stuff is interested in the newer os, but I am getting slightly irritated with having the position I'm in missrepresented or missunderstoo. I do not think xp is the best thing there ever will be, neither do I reffuse to upgrade, I merely don't see the point at the moment, that is all, and I fully expect in the future that this will change when a new os actually make a practical difference that is worth the hassle. That is another reason I spent time playing with Windows 7 and I'd like to try mac and windows 8 in the same way, although at this point in time I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be a hardware not a software change such as touch screen control or something like. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Cara, Another great example of an intangible that does not directly impact daily usage of email, word processing, listening to MP3’s or playing games. :) Thanks! On Dec 18, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Now I absolutely will not get in the middle of this one. :) I will say though, as regards people's responsibilities when it comes to keeping their systems up to date in reference to security, that this is not just a matter of one's own system. One's security really affects everyone with whom that person comes into contact with in their dealings on the web or via email etc. If one's security is compromised or not kept up to date, then that person puts all others at risk, who have any kind of data, email addresses or any other form of identifying info on that person's system. So in short, your security is not just your responsibility for yourself on your own system. It is your responsibility to those you deal with on a regular basis as well. Just like you would not deliberately give your friends a cold, or share a friend's phone number indiscriminately with everyone because they asked you not to, so you should also protect your system not just for yourself but for those you correspond with. Just my thoughts and thanks for reading… Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 18, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, I certainly don't want to misrepresent your position, and I do think I understand your position very well. I guess for me I'm just very concerned that you are making a bad decision based on very flawed criteria, or at the very least the perceived benefits you are looking for are too me a bit short sighted. Bottom line, we don't see this the same way and I guess we probably never will. I am very concerned about security, feel people should take it more seriously than they do, and you are being less concerned about it than I feel is warranted. Same could be said about hardware and other things I pointed out. You don't see any benefit, fine, but that does not mean my points are not valid. It is just that you have a totally different outlook and do not value the same things I do when it comes to hardware and software. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I was probably thinking of vista, since I do know when getting my desktop repared in 2008 I very much didn't want a machine with newer windows, which was one other advantage of going to a local custom manufacturer since all the main shops like Pc world were the slaves of microsoft and ramming newer versions down people's throats. Well I have said under what circumstances I'll upgrade. Yes, I can run xp in a virtual machine and I am glad there is that option, but if the newer os doesn't actually bennifit me, well why have the hassle? to be honest I can understand that someone like yourself who cares about all the technical stuff is interested in the newer os, but I am getting slightly irritated with having the position I'm in missrepresented or missunderstoo. I do not think xp is the best thing there ever will be, neither do I reffuse to upgrade, I merely don't see the point at the moment, that is all, and I fully expect in the future that this will change when a new os actually make a practical difference that is worth the hassle. That is another reason I spent time playing with Windows 7 and I'd like to try mac and windows 8 in the same way, although at this point in time I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be a hardware not a software change such as touch screen control or something like. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list,
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i have to agree. security isn't just for yourself in this world of computers. it's for all really. i love windows 8, and one thing i love about it, is the built in security for viruses and malware and all that. some people seem to have an idea that it's not as good as a third party one. but it's actually quite effective. i had a few viruses on an old hard drive, and windows 8 had no problems seeing them. love it! lol. and it doesn't slow your system down like avast and avg tend to. they are horibble for that. as are most scanners, actually. well, off to race on rails. Regards: Dallas On 19 Dec 2013, at 8:34, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Now I absolutely will not get in the middle of this one. :) I will say though, as regards people's responsibilities when it comes to keeping their systems up to date in reference to security, that this is not just a matter of one's own system. One's security really affects everyone with whom that person comes into contact with in their dealings on the web or via email etc. If one's security is compromised or not kept up to date, then that person puts all others at risk, who have any kind of data, email addresses or any other form of identifying info on that person's system. So in short, your security is not just your responsibility for yourself on your own system. It is your responsibility to those you deal with on a regular basis as well. Just like you would not deliberately give your friends a cold, or share a friend's phone number indiscriminately with everyone because they asked you not to, so you should also protect your system not just for yourself but for those you correspond with. Just my thoughts and thanks for reading… Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 18, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, I certainly don't want to misrepresent your position, and I do think I understand your position very well. I guess for me I'm just very concerned that you are making a bad decision based on very flawed criteria, or at the very least the perceived benefits you are looking for are too me a bit short sighted. Bottom line, we don't see this the same way and I guess we probably never will. I am very concerned about security, feel people should take it more seriously than they do, and you are being less concerned about it than I feel is warranted. Same could be said about hardware and other things I pointed out. You don't see any benefit, fine, but that does not mean my points are not valid. It is just that you have a totally different outlook and do not value the same things I do when it comes to hardware and software. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I was probably thinking of vista, since I do know when getting my desktop repared in 2008 I very much didn't want a machine with newer windows, which was one other advantage of going to a local custom manufacturer since all the main shops like Pc world were the slaves of microsoft and ramming newer versions down people's throats. Well I have said under what circumstances I'll upgrade. Yes, I can run xp in a virtual machine and I am glad there is that option, but if the newer os doesn't actually bennifit me, well why have the hassle? to be honest I can understand that someone like yourself who cares about all the technical stuff is interested in the newer os, but I am getting slightly irritated with having the position I'm in missrepresented or missunderstoo. I do not think xp is the best thing there ever will be, neither do I reffuse to upgrade, I merely don't see the point at the moment, that is all, and I fully expect in the future that this will change when a new os actually make a practical difference that is worth the hassle. That is another reason I spent time playing with Windows 7 and I'd like to try mac and windows 8 in the same way, although at this point in time I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be a hardware not a software change such as touch screen control or something like. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Actually it did. The reason you didn't see it, as a user, is that some developers did what they were supposed to do to fix things so you didn't. :) Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:38 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Equally though ken, Ios 7 didn't stop anything in ios 6 working, and to me at least the interface is similar enough so there wasn't much hassle getting used to it. I admit I didn't grab it straight away, I checked what bennifits it came with, but the Siri upgrades convinced me it was a something better, plus it didn't seem I was particularly losing much by upgrading other than perhaps moving some icons around. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Ken Downey kenwdow...@thepionear.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Well, look at iOs 7. I really didn't want to upgrade. I was used to iOS6, but apps just stopped working with 6, like Fleksy, so I had no choice. Also, i wanted the opportunity to try DoItWrite, but that alone didn't convince me to upgrade. There were too many bugs, too much hastle--but when things quit working I took the plunge. Imagine my great joy when all my games still worked, and Aurifi even works better on 7. I've been playing Aurifi for days now, and wish I'd upgraded sooner since it's one of my top three faves. Check out my games at www.ThePionEar.net and my music, and that of my band, at www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html . Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes! If you want to reach me, you can call 419-744-0517, friend me on Facebook, (KenWDowney,) or write me at kenwdow...@me.com . - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Well tome there is also the fact that it is possible to get used to just about anything, indeed there are situations where the human ability to do this is quite scary. I suspect I could learn to live with windows 7 if there was actually a reason to do so, the same way I learnt to use the Iphone touch screen. This is however also why i tried Ios before I bought an Iphone, since if I was going to spend that amount of money on something I wanted to be dam sure about it first. One problem however I think if you lack sight generally with any interface is because you don't have the quick and instant aaccess to information and overview a sighted person does, you are naturally going to take more time learning new positions and thus be more wary of any change in that established learn routine. Think of it this way, suppose you go into your favourite local restauant and they've utterly rearranged the tables so that the counter is at the opposite end of the room. for a sighted person, no problem. But for a blind person who neesd to remember the positioning of objects it means more learning. This is especially true when things are complex. Of course, everyone gets used to doing this, however it still takes time and energy that a sighted person does not have to expend. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Dark, Actually, the reason I upgrade and urge others to do so has nothing to do with some misplaced intrinsic value of newer hardware, more ram, and having my computers run more efficiently as you stated. I am not that shallow. The real reason I upgrade and urge others to do so is that I see real benefits in upgrading, but those benefits do not necessarily apply to you personally. For example, as you know I happen to run a number of different operating systems concurrently on my laptop. That requires a lot of CPU power and ram to run more than one OS in memory at a time. A 64-bit system with a quad core processor and 8 GB of ram would have direct and immediate benefit to me because I can give Windows 8.1 the first three or four GB of ram for running everything and give the other three or four GB of ram over to the virtual machine to use. That way both operating systems will have plenty of memory and CPU power to work with. Since you are only using XP at this time and have no desire to use Linux or another version of Windows in a virtual machine having multiple processors and several GB of ram aren't as beneficial to you as they would be to me. There is no argument about that fact. There are other benefits that I value because I genuinely think that they are necessary. Security happens to be one of those things I think is worthwhile paying for. Not just because of some misplaced intrinsic value in system security, but because I am a computer professional and have dealt with my fair share of systems that have been compromised due to poor security. Either the end user failed to update their computer, they failed to keep their antivirus up to date, or they did something else to compromize their security which ended up costing them money to fix. To give you an example a couple of weeks ago one of my aunts was on the Internet when a little dialog popped up asking her to download an update for XP. She did, and as soon as she did it installed a nasty piece of ransomware onto her computer that took over her PC, encrypted her hard drive, and when she started the computer all that would come up is a dialog box asking her for her credit card number to unlock her PC. Since she could not pay the $1,000 to get rid of the ransomware I had to come over reformat her hard drive, reinstall XP, and restore the system back to factory defaults. You want to know why I think XP is a poor choice for people? For one thing Windows XP has a major security hole which viruses, addware, ransomeware, etc has been exploiting for years and that is the admin account. If you run XP as admin, AKA super user, any virus or piece of malware you download has free reign over your computer and if your antivirus etc fails to stop it the malware can totally wipe out your system just because there is no way to prevent it. My aunt had antivirus software on her system, but it didn't stop the ransomware that took over her machine, because there was no way of stopping it. Windows 8.1 does however have an extra layer of security called User Account Control. I know people turn it off, think it is a pain in the butt, but it does stop things like viruses and other malware cold. Before a piece of software can be installed or run UAC will pop up and prompt you to confirm the action. It will tell you the name of the program, the manufacturer, and so on. That feature has saved me more than once from a malware attack because I was able to catch it and kill the process before it could do anything to my machine. Perhaps if my aunt had been running Windows 8 she could have called someone and asked about running this fake Windows update before it took over her PC as UAC would have blocked it and prompted her to confirm the installation and encryption of her drive. Besides UAC Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 comes with a number of basic security tools such as antivirus and malware protection out of the box. Yes, I know there is AVG, Avast, etc available for XP but the Microsoft tools are both free and accessible on Windows 8 and 8.1. Even better I find that they don't use as much system resources as third-party scanning engines and are very accessible. So in terms of basic security Windows 8 and 8.1 has some benefit to me over Windows XP. In summary I do usually upgrade because there is personal benefit in doing so. Not because I think it will help me browse the web, send/receive e-mails, or listen to music, but because I appreciate having better security and the hardware and performance boosts usually help me in one way or another. It is just that those benefits I enjoy from upgrading aren't really benefits to you. Cheers! On 12/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom I do agree our criteria are different. I think part of this is that you, as a person with a rpactical interest in computers attach some sort of intrinsic value to the efficiency of hardware and software. You care for example that modern machines have more ram and use more memory
