Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Jason, While it is true mono isn't as feature filled as the Microsoft .NET Framework I wouldn't discount it as a viable development platform either. The current mono build/releases is similar to .NET 2.0 which is good enough for my purposes. I've already built and ran some test builds on Ubuntu Linux 8.10 using SDL and the latest mono releases and everything appears to be working fine. Although, I won't know if everything works properly until the port is complete. As far as converting the Genesis 3D engine to C++ that isn't going to happen in this life time. I have already put a year into writing the engine in C-Sharp, and for the most part it is stable and runs great. I am not going to rewrite the entire engine from scratch. That is way too much work. Besides there are some things I definitely do not like about C++. For example, the way C++ handles object serialization verses C-Sharp. In C-Sharp if you want to serialize a load of game objects and write them out to a file it is rather easy to do. In C++ doing so is rather lengthy and a total pain in the rear to boot. Another reason why I decided not to use C++ is you have to create a native build for every platform you will be using. Since I currently do not own a Mac myself I can't exactly compile a version for Mac OS myself. With a .NET or Mono project you can build it on any operating system and run it on another OS assuming it meets the dependancies and specs. Since I do have a Ubuntu 8.x desktop here, and I know Mac OS 10.5 uses compatible SDL and Mono libraries, chanses are good if it runs on my Linux desktop it will run on Mac OS with little to no changes. Smile. Jason Allen wrote: Careful Tom. Mono is open source and doesn't support everything that .NET does. It's probably fine for small projects, but you're probably better off writing everything in C++ if you're going cross platform. The majority of open source software is great, but I would hate to depend on them to complete a project as large as a game engine. Jason --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi William, Not true. At the time I posted the poll weather MOTA should be a 3D game or a side-scroller the majority were in favor of keeping it a side-scroller. That is a majority not a minority. Smile. william lomas wrote: yeah i agree but only a minority made it not a 3d game not everyone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Willem, That is true. For one thing the larger the testing team the broader the opinions. Already I have began counting up the poll results for which synth to use for the game, and there is a lot of different opinions. At this time there is no clear winner do to the differences in opinion. Though Karen is ahead. The results look like this as we speak. Crystal 1 Daniel 1 Karen 4 Mike 2 Samantha 1 Tom 2 As you can see karen is ahead by 2 votes. however, there is quite a lot of difference in opinion and peoples likes/dislikes. Though, it will be interesting to see how the votes go over the next couple of days. Willem wrote: remember, Thomas tried to have an open beta the previous time with Montizoomas return. It didn't work and now he's probably playing it safe. Also no offence, but some people can do more harm than good on a testing team. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Will, Eventually yes. We still have some Windows dependancies which we are currently in the progress of removing from the Genesis 3D engine such as the use of the Windows registry for storing settings, scores, and other global data. We are also porting the engine to Linux and once we have a working Linux build with SDL support and it uses mono instead of the .NET Framework it should run on Mac OS since Linux and Mac OS use the same .NET APIs. william lomas wrote: hi thanks for this explanation. if youa re going cross platform with this new library would that mean that msteries of the ancients could maybe work again on the mac platofrm with others? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
i personaly didn't preordered the game but have to agree with you will in this point, well with all the bugs and things i don't see a problem in distributing it to who payd it and include then in the private beta testers. well this is only my opinion. -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 21:10 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3773 (20090117) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi, I have not preordered this game either, but I also agree with you guys. Best regards, Christian On 2009-01-17 at 19:15 Matheus wrote: i personaly didn't preordered the game but have to agree with you will in this point, well with all the bugs and things i don't see a problem in distributing it to who payd it and include then in the private beta testers. well this is only my opinion. -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 21:10 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3773 (20090117) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Well in the end it's up to the dev to determine who helps with the game, and also when it's released Be that to a testing team or the general public. Ron - Original Message - From: Cory ckadl...@verizon.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients I back you guys on this one. - Original Message - From: Christian christia...@runbox.com To: gamers@audyssey.org; gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Hi, I have not preordered this game either, but I also agree with you guys. Best regards, Christian On 2009-01-17 at 19:15 Matheus wrote: i personaly didn't preordered the game but have to agree with you will in this point, well with all the bugs and things i don't see a problem in distributing it to who payd it and include then in the private beta testers. well this is only my opinion. -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 21:10 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3773 (20090117) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
I didn't pre-oder either but agree. -- Email: kevin.weispfen...@gmx.net Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de BlinkNationBlog: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi/weblog BlinkNationProfil: http://www.blinknation.com/kevinweisi Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: weis...@hotmail.de ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: weisi4u-subscr...@ml4free.de Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u - Original Message - From: Cory ckadl...@verizon.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients I back you guys on this one. - Original Message - From: Christian christia...@runbox.com To: gamers@audyssey.org; gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Hi, I have not preordered this game either, but I also agree with you guys. Best regards, Christian On 2009-01-17 at 19:15 Matheus wrote: i personaly didn't preordered the game but have to agree with you will in this point, well with all the bugs and things i don't see a problem in distributing it to who payd it and include then in the private beta testers. well this is only my opinion. -Mensagem original- De: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009 21:10 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients hi this is great news but in another sense, cant the ones who already paid help test this product? true, i understand and so does everyone else, that all this mess came from james north, let's ot go over that again. but surely the ones who paid for it should be able to help play and test the new game, since they ordered a product 2 or more years ago, that they have not seen i am not starting a flame war or attacking somebody but no mails were even put out for private testers in the first place, and i have paid for a game which to be fair has had a lot of problems and we have all 100 percent supported you but at least the pre-orderers could help shape the game into a better product. for those who have not pre- ordered, it comes out when it comes out, but for those who have I feel that if we can help play the new version then we at least are getting value for mone On 17 Jan 2009, at 19:27, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Will, Yes. Eventually I will be posting a public beta for Mysteries of the Ancients. However, I have not posted a demo, because it isn't ready for the public yet. Although the Alphas are becoming quite stable for the private testers I have just bbegan some extensive upgrades to the Genesis Engine itself which will require some serious rework on MOTA to make it compatible with the newer Genesis Engine. Obviously since the next Alpha will be using the newer Genesis Engine I want to make sure everything runs smoothly before releasing any kind of demo to the public. william lomas wrote: hi thomas will the beta of the new mysteries of the ancients game be available for the paid members of the game, before release at all? or any form of public beta? many thanks and look forward to mota will --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ NOD32 3773 (20090117) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi, I personally don't agree with your point of views. Beta testers need to know alot about audiogames, and are competent enough to test it all, and have enough time to do it. (I am not saying you all are incompetent) Everyone can't be a beta tester, or else what is the point of it being a beta in the first place. Also, it's certainly not fun to give code with bugs in it to the public. I am sure any other person who has ever dealt with code, or released something to the public would feel the same way I do. I fully support Tom on what he's doing. Ultimately, it's up to the developer. I do not intend to start a flame, argue, etc, just stating what I think. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Have to agree with ryan here. I was under the impression that it wasn't really up for vote. If the dev says its not ready to be released to the general public, which includes people who pre-ordered the game, then its probably not ready to be released. Odds are the game is in a barely playable stage, with plenty of bugs to be ironed out. I imagine the beta testers will be the people who pre-ordered the game, when the game is in a much more playable stage. I have to say I'm surprised games like entombed are available for general testing. In one sense it helps to have more testers so more bugs can be found, but in another sense it draws out a lot of people who are expecting a full game and don't realize its barely been started. Not meant to be taken personally and not directed at anyone in particular but, there you have it. Just my personal opinion. -- From: Ryan Smith computerwi...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Hi, I personally don't agree with your point of views. Beta testers need to know alot about audiogames, and are competent enough to test it all, and have enough time to do it. (I am not saying you all are incompetent) Everyone can't be a beta tester, or else what is the point of it being a beta in the first place. Also, it's certainly not fun to give code with bugs in it to the public. I am sure any other person who has ever dealt with code, or released something to the public would feel the same way I do. I fully support Tom on what he's doing. Ultimately, it's up to the developer. I do not intend to start a flame, argue, etc, just stating what I think. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Well in Entombed's case, I'm new to the community so I thought a broader test phase would be better. It's true, there is a real danger in turning people off your game when they test it expecting a much more polished experience. I think it helps to only open the game to testers when it will exceed their expectations. That first impression is important. Just things I've learned to better apply to future projects. Jason On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote: Have to agree with ryan here. I was under the impression that it wasn't really up for vote. If the dev says its not ready to be released to the general public, which includes people who pre-ordered the game, then its probably not ready to be released. Odds are the game is in a barely playable stage, with plenty of bugs to be ironed out. I imagine the beta testers will be the people who pre-ordered the game, when the game is in a much more playable stage. I have to say I'm surprised games like entombed are available for general testing. In one sense it helps to have more testers so more bugs can be found, but in another sense it draws out a lot of people who are expecting a full game and don't realize its barely been started. Not meant to be taken personally and not directed at anyone in particular but, there you have it. Just my personal opinion. -- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
I'm glad you opened entombed up to general testing, I'm not sure how much longer I could have waited for it to come out *grins*. Even in its current stage it's a pretty good experience. Looking forward to the next build, bugs and all. Just out of curiosity, is it going to stay open to general testing? Or will it eventually go back into a closed alpha stage if too many bugs start showing up? -- From: Jason Allen evildi...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Well in Entombed's case, I'm new to the community so I thought a broader test phase would be better. It's true, there is a real danger in turning people off your game when they test it expecting a much more polished experience. I think it helps to only open the game to testers when it will exceed their expectations. That first impression is important. Just things I've learned to better apply to future projects. Jason On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote: Have to agree with ryan here. I was under the impression that it wasn't really up for vote. If the dev says its not ready to be released to the general public, which includes people who pre-ordered the game, then its probably not ready to be released. Odds are the game is in a barely playable stage, with plenty of bugs to be ironed out. I imagine the beta testers will be the people who pre-ordered the game, when the game is in a much more playable stage. I have to say I'm surprised games like entombed are available for general testing. In one sense it helps to have more testers so more bugs can be found, but in another sense it draws out a lot of people who are expecting a full game and don't realize its barely been started. Not meant to be taken personally and not directed at anyone in particular but, there you have it. Just my personal opinion. -- --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Ron, Thanks. Yes, sometimes you have to trust the developer's judgment about some things like this. I discovered with Montezuma's Revenge there is a lot of good and bad things that can come out of releasing a test build too early to the entire public at large. Yes, I might be able to find a lot more testers, but all too often people just show up wanting to play a free game. I've also learned sometimes those possible testers show up with unrealistic expectations. Such as they see that you can save a game in the documentation, try it, and immediately send off a bug report when it doesn't happen. Although I am fully aware of the issue, and it won't get turned back on until the new Genesis Engine is integrated into MOTA. To put it another way, I have a general idea of when I am going to work on this or that part of the game. I have a schedule in my mind, an order I am doing things in, and it certainly wouldn't help me any if I have x number of gamers asking for this that or the other thing at this point in time. It makes little sense for me to turn on the save game feature right now since the new Genesis engine has some newer classes that aren't compatible with the older classes used in MOTA 0.4. For example, in the latest Genesis Engine I have split the player class into smaller more specific class types. The class Angela Carter uses in 0.5 is the Adventurer3D class which is designed for a more treasure hunting theme. However, previously in 0,.4 and earlier that was a part of the Player3D class. If you save a game in 0.4 and tried to load it in 0.5 it would blow up in your face. So it makes more sense not to let the testers or anyone else save a game until the conversion is complete and is fairly stable. Smile. Ron Schamerhorn wrote: Hi Well in the end it's up to the dev to determine who helps with the game, and also when it's released Be that to a testing team or the general public. Ron --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi, Well, the game is certainly playable, but there are many features currently disabled for one reason or another. As I said a couple times already 0.5 is going to be a pretty major upgrade from 0.4 so I am certainly not going to release 0.4 with such a major release on the way. Shadow Dragon wrote: Have to agree with ryan here. I was under the impression that it wasn't really up for vote. If the dev says its not ready to be released to the general public, which includes people who pre-ordered the game, then its probably not ready to be released. Odds are the game is in a barely playable stage, with plenty of bugs to be ironed out. I imagine the beta testers will be the people who pre-ordered the game, when the game is in a much more playable stage. I have to say I'm surprised games like entombed are available for general testing. In one sense it helps to have more testers so more bugs can be found, but in another sense it draws out a lot of people who are expecting a full game and don't realize its barely been started. Not meant to be taken personally and not directed at anyone in particular but, there you have it. Just my personal opinion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
thatk you tom, I see your points - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients Hi Will, I certainly understand and respect your point of view, but there are other issues to consider here. First, right now Mysteries of the Ancients is currently alpha software not a beta. What that means in programmer lingo is a program functional for testing, but is known to have bugs and is not a complete program. Betas are more or less complete programs, but are known to have bugs. There is a big difference between an alpha and a beta. For example, Mysteries of the Ancients 0.4 alpha only has the first level complete. So even if you guys got it you would come to the end of level 1 and that would be it. no more levels. Of course I plan to add more in the coming days and weeks, but for now obviously the game is still lacking a large portion of the game. This is one reason it is only an alpha not a beta. Here is another case in point. Not too long ago one of the private testers tried saving a game. When the game didn't save his game he asked on the testers list why it wasn't working. I explained that while the Genesis3D engine has that feature it was currently disabled because I am currently rewriting or updating large portions of the engine itself. If you save a game and you try and load it using a newer version of the engine, like the one I am working on now, the saved game will get scrambled in the process. i don't want bug reports on something i already know needs to be fixed. Second, the Genesis3D Engine uses a different product key system than Montezuma's Revenge. That means bbefore everyone who paid for Montezuma's Revenge can upgrade to Mysteries of the Ancients I will have to generate a couple hundred keys, and process all of those orders. Given the amount of time I have had lately to devote to USA Games stuff it would take me a week to process all of those orders. Personally, I think I would be more productive just working on the game, trying to get a decent demo ready, than processing all 200 orders. Third, the Mysteries of the Ancients documentation is still incomplete. Yes, i know people can figure a lot out by playing around with it, but I believe before I release anything to the general public the documentation should be as complete as possible. By supplying good documentation with the demo i can cut down on the number of general questions people are likely to ask. Finally, Mysteries of the Ancients is currently undergoing some major changes. I am presently working on integrating a newer version of the Genesis3D engine into Mysteries of the Ancients 0.5. There are some extensive changes in the newer Genesis Engine such as SDL support instead of DirectX support. I've dropped support for DirectX in the newer Genesis engine not only to make it easier to go cross platform, but installing and setting up SDL is much much easier than installing and updating DirectX 9.0C. However, I've not yet done a lot of testing with the SDL based version of Genesis myself, and I have no idea exactly how Mysteries of the Ancients will perform until i do the upgrade. In a case like that it is better to do some testing with a small group rather than releasing a possibly unstable demo on the general public. If it turns out i need to downgrade to the previous release it is easier to work with 10 people rather than 150 people. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
Hi Jason, My first two projects STFC and Montezuma's Revenge were open testing and I saw both the good and the bad in doing so. Like you said there is a lot more testers, but there is a lot of expectations and other baggage that comes with it as well. I hope I don't insult anyone by saying this, but not everyone is tester material. Some people aren't really use to working with programs that often crash, don't run properly, or even know if there system is missing some dependancy they need. I can recall a good number of cases where I had to tell people what the .NET Framework was, how to install it, and then explain to them the difference between Managed DirectX for .NET applications and the stock DirectX libraries that ships with their system. Most people were not even aware that Managed DirectX was a different component for DirectX, and doesn't ship with Windows by default. I'm not saying those people were stupid, but it did result in several basic problems with user error rather than actual bugs in the software that I had to sort out. Nothing is more frustrating trying to figure out if the error is a result of user error or as a result of screwed up code. With a smaller handpicked team it is easier to figure out who is on the same page and who is not quite up to speed yet. Jason Allen wrote: Well in Entombed's case, I'm new to the community so I thought a broader test phase would be better. It's true, there is a real danger in turning people off your game when they test it expecting a much more polished experience. I think it helps to only open the game to testers when it will exceed their expectations. That first impression is important. Just things I've learned to better apply to future projects. Jason --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] beta of mysteries of the ancients
It is Thomas's decision. Over and over people pushed him into doing things, heck if he had his way this would be a 3d game. Respect his decision. Cory wrote: I back you guys on this one. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
