Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

> SkyWalking received all feedbacks from our mentors and committers. 
> 1. Luke Han(mentor) asked for `step down`.
> 2. All committers accept the `Invitation with condition`[1]


Thanks Shen.

Everyone, here's the updated graduation proposal, the third version of "take2", 
that includes the revised PMC list.

==


Establish the Apache SkyWalking Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
related to application performance management and monitoring (APM).

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
(PMC), to be known as the "Apache SkyWalking Project", be and hereby is
established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache SkyWalking Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
application performance management and monitoring (APM); and 
be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache SkyWalking" be and
hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
SkyWalking Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of
the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache SkyWalking
Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache SkyWalking
Project:

  * Haoyang Liu  (刘浩杨)  
  * Hongtao Gao  (高洪涛)  
  * Ignasi Barrera  
  * Mick Semb Wever 
  * Sheng Wu  (吴晟)  
  * Shinn Zhang  (张鑫)   
  * Willem Ning Jiang  (姜宁) 
  * Yongsheng Peng  (彭勇升)   
  * DongXue Si (司冬雪)
  * Jian Tan (谭建)   
  * Kai Wang (王凯)   
  * Yang Bai (柏杨)   
  * Yao Wang (王垚)   
  * Zhang Kewei (张科伟)   
 * Can Li (李璨)  
 * Jiaqi Lin (林嘉绮)  
 * Jinlin Fu (付金林)  
 * Lang Li (李浪) 
 * Wenbin Wang (王文斌)
 * Yixiong Cao (曹奕雄)

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Sheng Wu (吴晟) be 
appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache SkyWalking, to serve in 
accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and 
the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal
or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache SkyWalking Project be and hereby is tasked
with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
SkyWalking podling; and be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
SkyWalking podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
hereafter discharged.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi 


SkyWalking received all feedbacks from our mentors and committers. 
1. Luke Han(mentor) asked for `step down`.
2. All committers accept the `Invitation with condition`[1]


As the result, the new initial PMC members are.


 * Haoyang Liu  (??)
 * Hongtao Gao  (??)
 * Ignasi Barrera   
 * Mick Semb Wever  
 * Sheng Wu  () 
 * Shinn Zhang  ()  
 * Willem Ning Jiang  ()
 * Yongsheng Peng  (??) 
 * DongXue Si (??)  
 * Jian Tan ()  
 * Kai Wang ()  
 * Sheng Wang ()
 * Yang Bai ()  
 * Yao Wang ()  
 * Yuntao Li (??)   
 * Zhang Kewei (??) 
 * Can Li ()  [*]
 * Jiaqi Lin (??)  [*]  
 * Jinlin Fu (??)  [*]
 * Lang Li ()  [*]
 * Wenbin Wang (??)[*]
 * Yixiong Cao (??)[*]





[*] means, they are committers of SkyWalking, and have accepted the PMC 
invitation with condition.


[1] 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8a63bf68fc2f80c3bdb76414c57b8d79f517310cd5adb7904b23dca2@%3Cprivate.skywalking.apache.org%3E




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-- Original --
From:  " Sheng Wu";
Date:  Wed, Mar 6, 2019 11:58 AM
To:  "general";

Subject:  Re:  [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)



Hi


> My understanding, with discussions with Sheng, is that they presumed (2) was 
> possible and currently are following that approach. The confirmation by each 
> of the current Committers that they are happy to become PMC should be cc'd to 
> the private@skywalking ML.


Yes. I will send the invitations with conditions to them. We have the supports 
from current PPMC to invite them in.


> Sheng, can you also get confirmation from the mentors that they wish to be 
> part of the graduated PMC. You have that confirmation from me.


I will ask for their confirmation. 


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-- Original --
From:  "mck";
Date:  Wed, Mar 6, 2019 11:34 AM
To:  "general";

Subject:  Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)




> > > That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming
> > > members,
> >
> > That is correct, they need to be offered and they need to agree.
> >
> > > in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before
> > > graduation.
> >
> > Since PPMC is an artificial construct that isn't recognized by the
> > foundation -- this part is moot. IOW, after these individuals agree
> > they may as well be put on the resolution straight away.
> 
> Yes, and LDAP will need to be adjusted in Whimsy after graduation.
> 
> I think there are two choices:
> 1) follow the normal route to add committers to the PPMC and copy the
> final list to the proposal.
>  This means sending a NOTICE to the IPMC, etc.
> 
> 2) Conditionally invite the committers (proposal could fail), and add
> them to the proposal.
> Don't add them to the PPMC (because there has been no IPMC NOTICE)
> If the proposal succeeds, then Whimsy can be used to update LDAP membership.


Thanks for the clarification. I was becoming quite confused and unhelpful as a 
mentor at one point there :-)

My understanding, with discussions with Sheng, is that they presumed (2) was 
possible and currently are following that approach. The confirmation by each of 
the current Committers that they are happy to become PMC should be cc'd to the 
private@skywalking ML.

Sheng, can you also get confirmation from the mentors that they wish to be part 
of the graduated PMC. You have that confirmation from me.

cheers,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi


> My understanding, with discussions with Sheng, is that they presumed (2) was 
> possible and currently are following that approach. The confirmation by each 
> of the current Committers that they are happy to become PMC should be cc'd to 
> the private@skywalking ML.


Yes. I will send the invitations with conditions to them. We have the supports 
from current PPMC to invite them in.


> Sheng, can you also get confirmation from the mentors that they wish to be 
> part of the graduated PMC. You have that confirmation from me.


I will ask for their confirmation. 


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Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


 




-- Original --
From:  "mck";
Date:  Wed, Mar 6, 2019 11:34 AM
To:  "general";

Subject:  Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)




> > > That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming
> > > members,
> >
> > That is correct, they need to be offered and they need to agree.
> >
> > > in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before
> > > graduation.
> >
> > Since PPMC is an artificial construct that isn't recognized by the
> > foundation -- this part is moot. IOW, after these individuals agree
> > they may as well be put on the resolution straight away.
> 
> Yes, and LDAP will need to be adjusted in Whimsy after graduation.
> 
> I think there are two choices:
> 1) follow the normal route to add committers to the PPMC and copy the
> final list to the proposal.
>  This means sending a NOTICE to the IPMC, etc.
> 
> 2) Conditionally invite the committers (proposal could fail), and add
> them to the proposal.
> Don't add them to the PPMC (because there has been no IPMC NOTICE)
> If the proposal succeeds, then Whimsy can be used to update LDAP membership.


Thanks for the clarification. I was becoming quite confused and unhelpful as a 
mentor at one point there :-)

My understanding, with discussions with Sheng, is that they presumed (2) was 
possible and currently are following that approach. The confirmation by each of 
the current Committers that they are happy to become PMC should be cc'd to the 
private@skywalking ML.

Sheng, can you also get confirmation from the mentors that they wish to be part 
of the graduated PMC. You have that confirmation from me.

cheers,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

> > > That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming
> > > members,
> >
> > That is correct, they need to be offered and they need to agree.
> >
> > > in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before
> > > graduation.
> >
> > Since PPMC is an artificial construct that isn't recognized by the
> > foundation -- this part is moot. IOW, after these individuals agree
> > they may as well be put on the resolution straight away.
> 
> Yes, and LDAP will need to be adjusted in Whimsy after graduation.
> 
> I think there are two choices:
> 1) follow the normal route to add committers to the PPMC and copy the
> final list to the proposal.
>  This means sending a NOTICE to the IPMC, etc.
> 
> 2) Conditionally invite the committers (proposal could fail), and add
> them to the proposal.
> Don't add them to the PPMC (because there has been no IPMC NOTICE)
> If the proposal succeeds, then Whimsy can be used to update LDAP membership.


Thanks for the clarification. I was becoming quite confused and unhelpful as a 
mentor at one point there :-)

My understanding, with discussions with Sheng, is that they presumed (2) was 
possible and currently are following that approach. The confirmation by each of 
the current Committers that they are happy to become PMC should be cc'd to the 
private@skywalking ML.

Sheng, can you also get confirmation from the mentors that they wish to be part 
of the graduated PMC. You have that confirmation from me.

cheers,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[sebb]

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 01:19, Roman Shaposhnik  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 5:09 PM sebb  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 00:18, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi -
> > >
> > > > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Roman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when 
> > > > graduation, shows the most PPMC members support this. We will wait 
> > > > another 2 days, in case someone may say others.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In case PPMC agree, I want to ask the process steps of this. From 
> > > > committer to PMC, I think each one should be invited and accept to be 
> > > > one. Then, when should the invitation happens?
> > > > Do we need to send invitation and get confirmation before change the 
> > > > graduation PMC list?
> > > > Or we could change the PMC list first, after our graduation proposal is 
> > > > accepted, we send the invitation.
> > >
> > > Just put them all on the graduation proposal (the IPMC and board’s 
> > > approval is equal to NOTICE) and (unless Infra does it) add them to the 
> > > PMC in Whimsy once you have graduated and infrastructure has moved the 
> > > project LDAP.
> >
> > Huh?
> > That does not sound right.
> >
> > The graduation proposal lists the initial PMC membership (committers
> > are irrelevant here).
> > Adding committers to the proposal (if that is what you meant) is the
> > same as adding them to the (initial) PMC.
> >
> > That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming
> > members,
>
> That is correct, they need to be offered and they need to agree.
>
> > in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before
> > graduation.
>
> Since PPMC is an artificial construct that isn't recognized by the
> foundation -- this part is moot. IOW, after these individuals agree
> they may as well be put on the resolution straight away.

Yes, and LDAP will need to be adjusted in Whimsy after graduation.

I think there are two choices:
1) follow the normal route to add committers to the PPMC and copy the
final list to the proposal.
 This means sending a NOTICE to the IPMC, etc.

2) Conditionally invite the committers (proposal could fail), and add
them to the proposal.
Don't add them to the PPMC (because there has been no IPMC NOTICE)
If the proposal succeeds, then Whimsy can be used to update LDAP membership.

> Thanks,
> Roman.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 5:09 PM sebb  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 00:18, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> >
> > > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Roman
> > >
> > >
> > > In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when 
> > > graduation, shows the most PPMC members support this. We will wait 
> > > another 2 days, in case someone may say others.
> > >
> > >
> > > In case PPMC agree, I want to ask the process steps of this. From 
> > > committer to PMC, I think each one should be invited and accept to be 
> > > one. Then, when should the invitation happens?
> > > Do we need to send invitation and get confirmation before change the 
> > > graduation PMC list?
> > > Or we could change the PMC list first, after our graduation proposal is 
> > > accepted, we send the invitation.
> >
> > Just put them all on the graduation proposal (the IPMC and board’s approval 
> > is equal to NOTICE) and (unless Infra does it) add them to the PMC in 
> > Whimsy once you have graduated and infrastructure has moved the project 
> > LDAP.
>
> Huh?
> That does not sound right.
>
> The graduation proposal lists the initial PMC membership (committers
> are irrelevant here).
> Adding committers to the proposal (if that is what you meant) is the
> same as adding them to the (initial) PMC.
>
> That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming
> members,

That is correct, they need to be offered and they need to agree.

> in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before
> graduation.

Since PPMC is an artificial construct that isn't recognized by the
foundation -- this part is moot. IOW, after these individuals agree
they may as well be put on the resolution straight away.

Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[sebb]

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 00:18, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Roman
> >
> >
> > In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when 
> > graduation, shows the most PPMC members support this. We will wait another 
> > 2 days, in case someone may say others.
> >
> >
> > In case PPMC agree, I want to ask the process steps of this. From committer 
> > to PMC, I think each one should be invited and accept to be one. Then, when 
> > should the invitation happens?
> > Do we need to send invitation and get confirmation before change the 
> > graduation PMC list?
> > Or we could change the PMC list first, after our graduation proposal is 
> > accepted, we send the invitation.
>
> Just put them all on the graduation proposal (the IPMC and board’s approval 
> is equal to NOTICE) and (unless Infra does it) add them to the PMC in Whimsy 
> once you have graduated and infrastructure has moved the project LDAP.

Huh?
That does not sound right.

The graduation proposal lists the initial PMC membership (committers
are irrelevant here).
Adding committers to the proposal (if that is what you meant) is the
same as adding them to the (initial) PMC.

That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming
members, in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before
graduation.

The podling should also check that all the mentors want to continue
after graduation; if not, omit them from the proposal (and adjust LDAP
after graduation).

The same LDAP structure is now used for both PMCs and podlings, so
AFAIK LDAP is not changed by Infra on graduation.

Once the PPMC has graduated, committers can be added to the PMC in the
normal way.
i.e. VOTE, send NOTICE (to board, not IPMC), wait 72 hrs, invite
committer, update PMC via Whimsy.

The new PMC can also use Whimsy to adjust LDAP in case some members
(e.g. mentors) did not want to continue.

> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >
> > From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From: roman 
> > Date: Tue,Mar 5,2019 0:50 PM
> > To: general 
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a 
> > TLP(take2)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >>>> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >>>
> >>> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >>>> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
> >>>> something they need to follow.
> >>>
> >> As noted else-thread, there is an alternate method to subscribing to the 
> >> email lists, by sending email to 
> >> private-subscribe-EMAIL.ADDRESS=domain@skywalking.apache.org
> >>
> >>> Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list 
> >>> exist of not, unfortunately.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway… to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation 
> >>> (per Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private 
> >>> ML. Reading the ASF guidelines here: 
> >>> https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I 
> >>> interpret it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm 
> >>> curious as to whether how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this 
> >>> among their pmc, if any. It's an interesting discussion… but I'm not 
> >>> entirely convinced it's an accurate shortcoming to whether the podling is 
> >>> ready for graduation or not.
> >>
> >> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the 
> >> proposed PMC list accurate".
> >>
> >> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need to 
> >> be familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are 
> >> conducted on the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not participated 
> >> in any governance activities during incubation, it's unclear that they 
> >> belong on the PMC.
> >>
> >> Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of the 
> >> discussion of new committers has had only four o

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[???? Sheng Wu]

Dave


> Just put them all on the graduation proposal (the IPMC and board??s approval 
> is equal to NOTICE) and (unless Infra does it) add them to the PMC in Whimsy 
> once you have graduated and infrastructure has moved the project LDAP.


Make sense. Thanks for help.


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-- Original --
From:  "Dave Fisher";
Date:  Wed, Mar 6, 2019 08:17 AM
To:  "general";
Cc:  "roman"; 
Subject:  Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)



Hi -

> On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Roman
> 
> 
> In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when 
> graduation, shows the most PPMC members support this. We will wait another 2 
> days, in case someone may say others.
> 
> 
> In case PPMC agree, I want to ask the process steps of this. From committer 
> to PMC, I think each one should be invited and accept to be one. Then, when 
> should the invitation happens? 
> Do we need to send invitation and get confirmation before change the 
> graduation PMC list?
> Or we could change the PMC list first, after our graduation proposal is 
> accepted, we send the invitation.

Just put them all on the graduation proposal (the IPMC and board??s approval is 
equal to NOTICE) and (unless Infra does it) add them to the PMC in Whimsy once 
you have graduated and infrastructure has moved the project LDAP.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> 
> From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> 
> 
> ------ Original ------
> From: roman 
> Date: Tue,Mar 5,2019 0:50 PM
> To: general 
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>>>> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
>>> 
>>> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
>>>> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
>>>> something they need to follow.
>>> 
>> As noted else-thread, there is an alternate method to subscribing to the 
>> email lists, by sending email to 
>> private-subscribe-EMAIL.ADDRESS=domain@skywalking.apache.org
>> 
>>> Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list 
>>> exist of not, unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> Anyway?? to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation (per 
>>> Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private ML. 
>>> Reading the ASF guidelines here: 
>>> https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I 
>>> interpret it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm curious 
>>> as to whether how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this among their 
>>> pmc, if any. It's an interesting discussion?? but I'm not entirely 
>>> convinced it's an accurate shortcoming to whether the podling is ready for 
>>> graduation or not.
>> 
>> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the 
>> proposed PMC list accurate".
>> 
>> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need to be 
>> familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are conducted 
>> on the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not participated in any 
>> governance activities during incubation, it's unclear that they belong on 
>> the PMC.
>> 
>> Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of the 
>> discussion of new committers has had only four or five participants, who are 
>> clearly involved in governance of the project.
> 
> From a peanut gallery: has the podling considered PMC == committers at
> the graduation point?
> The two lists look very close to each other.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roman.
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

> On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Roman
> 
> 
> In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when 
> graduation, shows the most PPMC members support this. We will wait another 2 
> days, in case someone may say others.
> 
> 
> In case PPMC agree, I want to ask the process steps of this. From committer 
> to PMC, I think each one should be invited and accept to be one. Then, when 
> should the invitation happens? 
> Do we need to send invitation and get confirmation before change the 
> graduation PMC list?
> Or we could change the PMC list first, after our graduation proposal is 
> accepted, we send the invitation.

Just put them all on the graduation proposal (the IPMC and board’s approval is 
equal to NOTICE) and (unless Infra does it) add them to the PMC in Whimsy once 
you have graduated and infrastructure has moved the project LDAP.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> 
> From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> 
> 
> -- Original ----------
> From: roman 
> Date: Tue,Mar 5,2019 0:50 PM
> To: general 
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>>>> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
>>> 
>>> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
>>>> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
>>>> something they need to follow.
>>> 
>> As noted else-thread, there is an alternate method to subscribing to the 
>> email lists, by sending email to 
>> private-subscribe-EMAIL.ADDRESS=domain@skywalking.apache.org
>> 
>>> Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list 
>>> exist of not, unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> Anyway… to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation (per 
>>> Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private ML. 
>>> Reading the ASF guidelines here: 
>>> https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I 
>>> interpret it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm curious 
>>> as to whether how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this among their 
>>> pmc, if any. It's an interesting discussion… but I'm not entirely convinced 
>>> it's an accurate shortcoming to whether the podling is ready for graduation 
>>> or not.
>> 
>> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the 
>> proposed PMC list accurate".
>> 
>> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need to be 
>> familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are conducted 
>> on the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not participated in any 
>> governance activities during incubation, it's unclear that they belong on 
>> the PMC.
>> 
>> Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of the 
>> discussion of new committers has had only four or five participants, who are 
>> clearly involved in governance of the project.
> 
> From a peanut gallery: has the podling considered PMC == committers at
> the graduation point?
> The two lists look very close to each other.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roman.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi Roman


In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when graduation, 
shows the most PPMC members support this. We will wait another 2 days, in case 
someone may say others.


In case PPMC agree, I want to ask the process steps of this. From committer to 
PMC, I think each one should be invited and accept to be one. Then, when should 
the invitation happens? 
Do we need to send invitation and get confirmation before change the graduation 
PMC list?
Or we could change the PMC list first, after our graduation proposal is 
accepted, we send the invitation.


Thanks.



Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin

From Wu Sheng 's phone.


-- Original --
From: roman 
Date: Tue,Mar 5,2019 0:50 PM
To: general 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)



On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
> > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
> >> something they need to follow.
> >
> As noted else-thread, there is an alternate method to subscribing to the 
> email lists, by sending email to 
> private-subscribe-EMAIL.ADDRESS=domain@skywalking.apache.org
>
> > Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list 
> > exist of not, unfortunately.
> >
> > Anyway?? to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation (per 
> > Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private ML. 
> > Reading the ASF guidelines here: 
> > https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I 
> > interpret it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm curious 
> > as to whether how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this among their 
> > pmc, if any. It's an interesting discussion?? but I'm not entirely 
> > convinced it's an accurate shortcoming to whether the podling is ready for 
> > graduation or not.
>
> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the 
> proposed PMC list accurate".
>
> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need to be 
> familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are conducted 
> on the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not participated in any 
> governance activities during incubation, it's unclear that they belong on the 
> PMC.
>
> Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of the 
> discussion of new committers has had only four or five participants, who are 
> clearly involved in governance of the project.

From a peanut gallery: has the podling considered PMC == committers at
the graduation point?
The two lists look very close to each other.

Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi Roman


> From a peanut gallery: has the podling considered PMC == committers at
> the graduation point?
> The two lists look very close to each other.

Good suggestion. I have started a discussion[1] in skywalking private.
I will feedback the conclusion later.


[1] 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/077eea102d7b678ae8dc22c46019fd88b0d7e1d839e523c3595071f9@%3Cprivate.skywalking.apache.org%3E


--
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Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


 




-- Original --
From:  "roman";
Date:  Tue, Mar 5, 2019 12:49 PM
To:  "general";

Subject:  Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)



On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
> > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
> >> something they need to follow.
> >
> As noted else-thread, there is an alternate method to subscribing to the 
> email lists, by sending email to 
> private-subscribe-EMAIL.ADDRESS=domain@skywalking.apache.org
>
> > Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list 
> > exist of not, unfortunately.
> >
> > Anyway?? to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation (per 
> > Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private ML. 
> > Reading the ASF guidelines here: 
> > https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I 
> > interpret it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm curious 
> > as to whether how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this among their 
> > pmc, if any. It's an interesting discussion?? but I'm not entirely 
> > convinced it's an accurate shortcoming to whether the podling is ready for 
> > graduation or not.
>
> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the 
> proposed PMC list accurate".
>
> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need to be 
> familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are conducted 
> on the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not participated in any 
> governance activities during incubation, it's unclear that they belong on the 
> PMC.
>
> Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of the 
> discussion of new committers has had only four or five participants, who are 
> clearly involved in governance of the project.

From a peanut gallery: has the podling considered PMC == committers at
the graduation point?
The two lists look very close to each other.

Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
> > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
> >> something they need to follow.
> >
> As noted else-thread, there is an alternate method to subscribing to the 
> email lists, by sending email to 
> private-subscribe-EMAIL.ADDRESS=domain@skywalking.apache.org
>
> > Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list 
> > exist of not, unfortunately.
> >
> > Anyway… to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation (per 
> > Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private ML. 
> > Reading the ASF guidelines here: 
> > https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I 
> > interpret it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm curious 
> > as to whether how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this among their 
> > pmc, if any. It's an interesting discussion… but I'm not entirely convinced 
> > it's an accurate shortcoming to whether the podling is ready for graduation 
> > or not.
>
> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the 
> proposed PMC list accurate".
>
> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need to be 
> familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are conducted 
> on the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not participated in any 
> governance activities during incubation, it's unclear that they belong on the 
> PMC.
>
> Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of the 
> discussion of new committers has had only four or five participants, who are 
> clearly involved in governance of the project.

>From a peanut gallery: has the podling considered PMC == committers at
the graduation point?
The two lists look very close to each other.

Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

> If possible can one of the PPMC members / mentors explain what these 
> issue are in a little more detail. 


All 7 items are resolved. The "Three most important issues to address in the 
move towards graduation" section had been misread by all of us, as the list had 
accumulated over time, and is now only consisting of resolved items.  It's been 
fixed in the report.

https://incubator.apache.org/projects/skywalking.html was more accurate, in 
that it provides dates over resolved items.


regards,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> "Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> 1. IP clearance.
> 3. First ASF release. (SkyWalking 5.0)
> 3. Further ASF culture and processes.
> ...
> 7. Clear Brand issues with other ecosystem projects.“
> 
> If possible can one of the PPMC members / mentors explain what these issue 
> are in a little more detail. It’s seems a little unusual for these things to 
> be listed and presumably unresolved if the project is considering graduation, 
> especially the IP clearance issue. I can see the whimsey page (probably 
> incorrectly) states that "No Software Grant and No IP Clearance Filed” [1]

I also note that IP clearance has been listed in every single board report 
since the first one. [1]

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/SkyWalking.html

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2019, at 7:52 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
>> Removing those two initial PPMC that have since been quiet has not been 
>> done, I'm waiting on confirmation on whether that is needed/requested.
> 
> The PPMC should be able to discuss that and work that out themselves and come 
> up with the right answer if they are ready for graduation.
> 
> I was just looking at this month board report and noticed these in SkyWalking 
> report:
> 
> "Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>  1. IP clearance.
>  3. First ASF release. (SkyWalking 5.0)
>  3. Further ASF culture and processes.
> ...
>  7. Clear Brand issues with other ecosystem projects.“
> 
> If possible can one of the PPMC members / mentors explain what these issue 
> are in a little more detail. It’s seems a little unusual for these things to 
> be listed and presumably unresolved if the project is considering graduation, 
> especially the IP clearance issue. I can see the whimsey page (probably 
> incorrectly) states that "No Software Grant and No IP Clearance Filed” [1]

Whimsy uses an extra status file that is not well documented in 
content/podlings/skywalking.yml which is completely manual and duplicates in an 
easier format than content/projects/skywalking.xml

I’ve been looking at this in light of the whole clutch process. See threads on 
general@.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
> 
> 1. https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/skywalking
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> Removing those two initial PPMC that have since been quiet has not been done, 
> I'm waiting on confirmation on whether that is needed/requested.

The PPMC should be able to discuss that and work that out themselves and come 
up with the right answer if they are ready for graduation.

I was just looking at this month board report and noticed these in SkyWalking 
report:

"Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
  1. IP clearance.
  3. First ASF release. (SkyWalking 5.0)
  3. Further ASF culture and processes.
 ...
  7. Clear Brand issues with other ecosystem projects.“

If possible can one of the PPMC members / mentors explain what these issue are 
in a little more detail. It’s seems a little unusual for these things to be 
listed and presumably unresolved if the project is considering graduation, 
especially the IP clearance issue. I can see the whimsey page (probably 
incorrectly) states that "No Software Grant and No IP Clearance Filed” [1]

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/skywalking
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??????????: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi Sebb, John


Look like both of them solved this issue by whimsy portal. Even still need 
mutiple tries.


I don't know why, it occasionally work. Most are not.


Anyway, thanks all for helps. 

Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin

From Wu Sheng 's phone.


--  --
??:  Kai Wang 
: 2019??3??5?? 11:00
??: general 
: private , dev 
, sebb 
: ??: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



HI, AllThe problem of subscribing to the private list has been resolved, thanks




 Kai Wang  ??2019??3??5?? 10:20??

Hi All:
I used https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe to subscribe 
priv...@skywalking.apache.org failed, my gmail mailbox did not receive any mail
 


IluckySi <1151262...@qq.com> ??2019??3??5?? 9:36??

Hi, All: 
I user https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe to subscribe 
priv...@skywalking.apache.org successfully~


Thank you~



--  --
??: "John D. Ament";
: 2019??3??4??(??) 11:37
??: "general";
: "dev"; "sebb"; 
: Re: ????: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



Hi

There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF username/password)
https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe and from here you can
subscribe yourself to the private list if you're on the PPMC.

At least in theory this should work.  Feel free to reply if it doesn't.

John

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM  Sheng Wu  wrote:

> Hi Sebb
>
>
> I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there.
> This is my reply.
>
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> success.
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> to subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------ Original ------
> From:  "???? Sheng Wu";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> To:  "sebb";
>
> Subject:  Re:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> success.
>
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> to subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
> ------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "sebb";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> To:  "general";
> Cc:  "dev";
> Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just sent confirm
> `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=
> outlook@skywalking.apache.org` requested by Yao Wang again.
> > Still fail, 6 times just today
>
> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
> contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
> moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.
>
> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> >
> > And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(
> oracle...@g

?????? Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[DongXue Si(IluckySi)]

Hi:
I have changed my email name to DongXue Si(IluckySi) <1151262...@qq.com>




--  --
??: "mck";
: 2019??3??5??(??) 8:08
??: "general";

: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



 Kai Wang,

Please remember to to setup your email name/account so the sender is " Kai 
Wang" for all emails to apache ML.

For those of us that can't read chinese it is too difficult to identify your 
real name. Adding your english alias after your chinese name honours your 
original name and identity (and culture) while also giving the rest of us the 
required handle to remember you by.

And if you can remember to keep reminding folk of this as they join the 
project, it would be most appreciated and kind.

regards,
Mick


On Mon, 4 Mar 2019, at 22:45,  wrote:
> hi, Sebbaz:
> I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
> My email is oracle...@gmail.com
> 
> IluckySi <1151262...@qq.com> ??2019??3??4?? 7:41??
> 
> > hi, Sebbaz:
> > I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
> >
> >
> > --  --
> > ??: "wu.sheng";
> > : 2019??3??4??(??) 7:26
> > ??: "Incubator General";"general"<
> > general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
> >
> > : Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> > SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Yao Wang
> >
> >
> > Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see
> > whether we could pass this time.
> >
> >
> > Sebb
> > Appreciate very much.
> >
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >
> > From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From: sebb 
> > Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
> > To: general 
> > Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> > Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >
> > I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
> > subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).
> >
> > I have added myself as a moderator to private@
> >
> > Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?
> >
> > S.
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
>

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Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[王凯 Kai Wang]

HI, All
The problem of subscribing to the private list has been resolved, thanks

王凯 Kai Wang  于2019年3月5日周二 上午10:20写道：

> Hi All:
> I used https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe to subscribe
> priv...@skywalking.apache.org failed, my gmail mailbox did not receive
> any mail
>
>
> IluckySi <1151262...@qq.com> 于2019年3月5日周二 上午9:36写道：
>
>> Hi, All:
>> I user https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe to subscribe
>> priv...@skywalking.apache.org successfully~
>>
>>
>> Thank you~
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 原始邮件 --
>> 发件人: "John D. Ament";
>> 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上11:37
>> 收件人: "general";
>> 抄送: "dev"; "sebb";
>> 主题: Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
>> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
>> You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF username/password)
>> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe and from here you can
>> subscribe yourself to the private list if you're on the PPMC.
>>
>> At least in theory this should work.  Feel free to reply if it doesn't.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Sebb
>> >
>> >
>> > I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there.
>> > This is my reply.
>> >
>> >
>> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the
>> list.
>> >
>> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
>> > success.
>> >
>> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>> >
>> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>> >
>> > > Who gets nothing?
>> >
>> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent
>> mail
>> > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
>> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm
>> mail
>> > to subscriber, right?
>> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sheng Wu
>> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > Twitter, wusheng1108
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Original --
>> > From:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
>> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
>> > To:  "sebb";
>> >
>> > Subject:  Re:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
>> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the
>> list.
>> >
>> >
>> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
>> > success.
>> >
>> >
>> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>> >
>> >
>> > > Who gets nothing?
>> >
>> >
>> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent
>> mail
>> > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
>> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm
>> mail
>> > to subscriber, right?
>> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sheng Wu
>> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > Twitter, wusheng1108
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Original --
>> > From:  "sebb";
>> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
>> > To:  "general";
>> > Cc:  "dev";
>> > Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
>> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Sebb
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I just sent confirm
>> >

Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[王凯 Kai Wang]

Hi Mick
Thanks for reminding my name/account, I I've already changed it

mck  于2019年3月5日周二 上午8:08写道：

> 王凯 Kai Wang,
>
> Please remember to to setup your email name/account so the sender is "王凯
> Kai Wang" for all emails to apache ML.
>
> For those of us that can't read chinese it is too difficult to identify
> your real name. Adding your english alias after your chinese name honours
> your original name and identity (and culture) while also giving the rest of
> us the required handle to remember you by.
>
> And if you can remember to keep reminding folk of this as they join the
> project, it would be most appreciated and kind.
>
> regards,
> Mick
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019, at 22:45, 王凯 wrote:
> > hi, Sebbaz:
> > I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > My email is oracle...@gmail.com
> >
> > IluckySi <1151262...@qq.com> 于2019年3月4日周一 下午7:41写道：
> >
> > > hi, Sebbaz:
> > > I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 原始邮件 --
> > > 发件人: "wu.sheng";
> > > 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上7:26
> > > 收件人: "Incubator General";"general"<
> > > general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
> > >
> > > 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> Apache
> > > SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Yao Wang
> > >
> > >
> > > Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's
> see
> > > whether we could pass this time.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sebb
> > > Appreciate very much.
> > >
> > > Sheng Wu
> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > >
> > > From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Original --
> > > From: sebb 
> > > Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
> > > To: general 
> > > Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> > > Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> > >
> > > I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
> > > subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).
> > >
> > > I have added myself as a moderator to private@
> > >
> > > Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?
> > >
> > > S.
> > >
> > > -
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 致以崇高的敬意
> > 王凯
> >
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>
>

-- 
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Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[王凯 Kai Wang]

Hi All:
I used https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe to subscribe
priv...@skywalking.apache.org failed, my gmail mailbox did not receive any
mail


IluckySi <1151262...@qq.com> 于2019年3月5日周二 上午9:36写道：

> Hi, All:
> I user https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe to subscribe
> priv...@skywalking.apache.org successfully~
>
>
> Thank you~
>
>
>
> -- 原始邮件 --
> 发件人: "John D. Ament";
> 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上11:37
> 收件人: "general";
> 抄送: "dev"; "sebb";
> 主题: Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
> You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF username/password)
> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe and from here you can
> subscribe yourself to the private list if you're on the PPMC.
>
> At least in theory this should work.  Feel free to reply if it doesn't.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there.
> > This is my reply.
> >
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the
> list.
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> > success.
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> >
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> > To:  "sebb";
> >
> > Subject:  Re:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the
> list.
> >
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> > success.
> >
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> >
> >
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "sebb";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> > To:  "general";
> > Cc:  "dev";
> > Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebb
> > >
> > >
> > > I just sent confirm
> > `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=
> > outlook@skywalking.apache.org` requested by Yao Wang again.
> > > Still fail, 6 times just today
> >
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> > By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
> > contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
> > moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.
> >
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> > >
> > > And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(
> > oracle...@gmail.com)
> &

?????? ????: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[IluckySi]

Hi, All: 
I user https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe to subscribe 
priv...@skywalking.apache.org successfully~


Thank you~



--  --
??: "John D. Ament";
: 2019??3??4??(??) 11:37
??: "general";
: "dev"; "sebb"; 
: Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



Hi

There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF username/password)
https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe and from here you can
subscribe yourself to the private list if you're on the PPMC.

At least in theory this should work.  Feel free to reply if it doesn't.

John

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM  Sheng Wu  wrote:

> Hi Sebb
>
>
> I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there.
> This is my reply.
>
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> success.
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> to subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original ------
> From:  "???? Sheng Wu";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> To:  "sebb";
>
> Subject:  Re:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> success.
>
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> to subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
> ------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "sebb";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> To:  "general";
> Cc:  "dev";
> Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just sent confirm
> `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=
> outlook@skywalking.apache.org` requested by Yao Wang again.
> > Still fail, 6 times just today
>
> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
> contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
> moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.
>
> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> >
> > And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(
> oracle...@gmail.com)
> > Get nothing.
>
> Who gets nothing?
>
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "wang yao";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> > To:  "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org
> ";
> >
> > Subject:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, trying to subscribing again.
> >
> > ??
> > Yao Wang
> > Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
> > Twitter, @tinyallen16
> >
> > ________
> > ??????:  S

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Dave Fisher]

Wonderful!


> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> 
> 
>> May I see a link to the planned Graduation Resolution?
> 
> 
> The planned graduation resolution is in this DISCUSS thread above, 
> specifically here: 
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/bf9512ac5441f602c41fe8fe7e11d9fa6121f04fc8d3f0cd39249b13@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>  
> 
> That includes the updates addressing feedback from both Justin and Sebb.
> Removing those two initial PPMC that have since been quiet has not been done, 
> I'm waiting on confirmation on whether that is needed/requested.

+1 either way.

Regards,
Dave



> 
> regards,
> Mick
> 
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Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[mck]

王凯 Kai Wang,

Please remember to to setup your email name/account so the sender is "王凯 Kai 
Wang" for all emails to apache ML.

For those of us that can't read chinese it is too difficult to identify your 
real name. Adding your english alias after your chinese name honours your 
original name and identity (and culture) while also giving the rest of us the 
required handle to remember you by.

And if you can remember to keep reminding folk of this as they join the 
project, it would be most appreciated and kind.

regards,
Mick


On Mon, 4 Mar 2019, at 22:45, 王凯 wrote:
> hi, Sebbaz:
> I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
> My email is oracle...@gmail.com
> 
> IluckySi <1151262...@qq.com> 于2019年3月4日周一 下午7:41写道：
> 
> > hi, Sebbaz:
> > I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
> >
> >
> > -- 原始邮件 --
> > 发件人: "wu.sheng";
> > 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上7:26
> > 收件人: "Incubator General";"general"<
> > general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
> >
> > 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> > SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Yao Wang
> >
> >
> > Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see
> > whether we could pass this time.
> >
> >
> > Sebb
> > Appreciate very much.
> >
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >
> > From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From: sebb 
> > Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
> > To: general 
> > Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> > Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >
> > I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
> > subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).
> >
> > I have added myself as a moderator to private@
> >
> > Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?
> >
> > S.
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 致以崇高的敬意
> 王凯
>

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

> May I see a link to the planned Graduation Resolution?


The planned graduation resolution is in this DISCUSS thread above, specifically 
here: 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/bf9512ac5441f602c41fe8fe7e11d9fa6121f04fc8d3f0cd39249b13@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
 

That includes the updates addressing feedback from both Justin and Sebb.
Removing those two initial PPMC that have since been quiet has not been done, 
I'm waiting on confirmation on whether that is needed/requested.

regards,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is 
> the proposed PMC list accurate".
> 
> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need 
> to be familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are 
> conducted on the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not 
> participated in any governance activities during incubation, it's 
> unclear that they belong on the PMC. 
> 
> Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of 
> the discussion of new committers has had only four or five 
> participants, who are clearly involved in governance of the project. 


If this is a criteria then there are two trusted committers from the initial 
podling creation that have since then not been active. They should be then 
removed. They are Sheng Wang and Yuntao Li.
Those that were added in the last round will not have been involved in any 
private threads, and only the vote threads are on private. Every other podling 
related discussion has happen on the dev ML.


> Well the graduation was put off last time because the project was not 
> correctly recognising merit, and they have fixed that by voting more folks 
> but but if they are not active then I’m not sure what has been fixed. It 
> seems this could be a symptom of the same problem? 

It is not. Those that have been added recently have had no need to be involved 
in any private ML discussions, as there has't been any since. It becomes a bit 
absurd if those PPMC last added can never be included in any podling graduation 
proposal. 


> Out of interest do we know who those 4 or 5 people work for (or the rest of 
> the proposed PMC members)? It’s good to have a PMC consisting of people from 
> different companies.

They are from different companies:
 - Cloud Wise
 - terminus.io
 - tetrate.io
 - Daocloud
 - Ke Finance
 - Huawei
 - Tingyun
 - Cianiao
 - Yonghui super market
 - VBill Payment Co.

And I don't see more than two PPMC from the same company.

regards,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

It is down to four people missing from the PPMC list. I don’t view this as a 
problem. Clearly there are small operational issues. (Mick - SHOULD is used as 
specifications and really means MUST. They really MUST because if not that 
means that these PMC members can’t see discussion and votes on new committers 
and PMC members. They also miss any important security and branding issues that 
need PMC action. It’s important, but I think that there are enough PPMC members 
available that lack of response is not a concern.

As I understand things from a conversation I had in Shenzhen is that SkyWalking 
was always multiple developers not associated with any particular vendors.

May I see a link to the planned Graduation Resolution?

Regards,
Dave

> On Mar 4, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the 
>> proposed PMC list accurate”.
> 
> Well the graduation was put off last time because the project was not 
> correctly recognising merit, and they have fixed that by voting more folks 
> but but if they are not active then I’m not sure what has been fixed. It 
> seems this could be a symptom of the same problem? But  I did also say 
> "Perhaps the roster needs to be adjusted in the proposal for it to be 
> accepted by the IPMC?”
> 
> Out of interest do we know who those 4 or 5 people work for (or the rest of 
> the proposed PMC members)? It’s good to have a PMC consisting of people from 
> different companies.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the 
> proposed PMC list accurate”.

Well the graduation was put off last time because the project was not correctly 
recognising merit, and they have fixed that by voting more folks but but if 
they are not active then I’m not sure what has been fixed. It seems this could 
be a symptom of the same problem? But  I did also say "Perhaps the roster needs 
to be adjusted in the proposal for it to be accepted by the IPMC?”

Out of interest do we know who those 4 or 5 people work for (or the rest of the 
proposed PMC members)? It’s good to have a PMC consisting of people from 
different companies.

Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Craig Russell]

> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> 
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
>> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
>> something they need to follow.
> 
As noted else-thread, there is an alternate method to subscribing to the email 
lists, by sending email to 
private-subscribe-EMAIL.ADDRESS=domain@skywalking.apache.org

> Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list 
> exist of not, unfortunately.
> 
> Anyway… to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation (per 
> Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private ML. 
> Reading the ASF guidelines here: 
> https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I 
> interpret it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm curious 
> as to whether how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this among their 
> pmc, if any. It's an interesting discussion… but I'm not entirely convinced 
> it's an accurate shortcoming to whether the podling is ready for graduation 
> or not. 

I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the 
proposed PMC list accurate".

The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need to be 
familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are conducted on 
the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not participated in any governance 
activities during incubation, it's unclear that they belong on the PMC. 

Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of the 
discussion of new committers has had only four or five participants, who are 
clearly involved in governance of the project. 

Regards,

Craig
> 
> regards,
> Mick
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> 

Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
c...@apache.org  http://db.apache.org/jdo 

Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:53, sebb  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:45, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi John
> >
> > I just try on that page, don't find skywalking-private in `Subscribe` or 
> > `UnSubscribe` lists.
> > I am already PPMC, no skywalking, zipkin, shardingsphere private, which I 
> > am already there.
> > But I could find incubator-private, since I am IPMC.
> >
> > Do I miss anything?
>
> The page description only refers to PMC subscriptions in the context
> of private lists.
>
> I suspect it does not automatically handle PPMC (podling) subscriptions yet.

Should work now.

> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "John D. Ament";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:37 PM
> > To:  "general";
> > Cc:  "dev"; "sebb";
> > Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
> > You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF username/password)
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe and from here you can
> > subscribe yourself to the private list if you're on the PPMC.
> >
> > At least in theory this should work.  Feel free to reply if it doesn't.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Sebb
> > >
> > >
> > > I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there.
> > > This is my reply.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> > >
> > > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> > > success.
> > >
> > > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> > >
> > > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> > >
> > > > Who gets nothing?
> > >
> > > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> > > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> > > to subscriber, right?
> > > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sheng Wu
> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Original --
> > > From:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> > > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> > > To:  "sebb";
> > >
> > > Subject:  Re:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> > > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> > > success.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Who gets nothing?
> > >
> > >
> > > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> > > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> > > to subscriber, right?
> > > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sheng Wu
> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Original --
> > > From:  "sebb";
> > > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> > > To:  "general";
> > > Cc:  "dev";
> > > Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWa

Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[Craig Russell]

There is an alternate way to subscribe if your mail client or service changes 
your from-address.

Send mail directly to private-subscribe-1151262684=qq@skywalking.apache.org 
from any address.

This works for any mail subscription. 

Craig

> On Mar 4, 2019, at 7:26 AM, sebb  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 14:49, sebb  <mailto:seb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sebb
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I just sent confirm 
>>> `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=outlook@skywalking.apache.org`
>>>  requested by Yao Wang again.
>>> Still fail, 6 times just today
>> 
>> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>> 
>> By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
>> contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
>> moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.
>> 
>> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> 
> Your mail program seems to be adding some text to the reply address, e.g.
> 
> To: "=?gb18030?B?...etc..?="  <mailto:private-l...@skywalking.apache.org>>
> 
> (You can see that in the second email you forwarded to me)
> 
> I think that is what is causing ezmlm to reject your emails.
> 
> Please ensure you copy the reply address exactly as provided in the
> email from ezmlm.
> Or, in the above case, don't add extra characters to the address; it should 
> be:
> 
> To: private-l...@skywalking.apache.org 
> <mailto:private-l...@skywalking.apache.org>
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and 
>>> Kai(oracle...@gmail.com)
>>> Get nothing.
>> 
>> Who gets nothing?
>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sheng Wu
>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Original --
>>> From:  "wang yao";
>>> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
>>> To:  
>>> "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
>>> 
>>> Subject:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
>>> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok, trying to subscribing again.
>>> 
>>> —
>>> Yao Wang
>>> Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
>>> Twitter, @tinyallen16
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 发件人: 吴晟 Sheng Wu 
>>> 发送时间: 2019年3月4日 19:26
>>> 收件人: Incubator General; general; dev
>>> 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
>>> SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>>> 
>>> Hi Yao Wang
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see 
>>> whether we could pass this time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sebb
>>> Appreciate very much.
>>> 
>>> Sheng Wu
>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>> 
>>> From Wu Sheng 's phone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Original --
>>> From: sebb 
>>> Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
>>> To: general 
>>> Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
>>> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
>>> 
>>> I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
>>> subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).
>>> 
>>> I have added myself as a moderator to private@
>>> 
>>> Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?
>>> 
>>> S.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Craig L Russell
c...@apache.org

Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 16:16, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> I re-tried several times. For foxmail web tool, I  am using, only reply 
> directly works. But the link always fail. But just for some ones
>
>
> Strange mail web tool.

Aren't they all?

>
> I am happy this resolved. Thanks for helping. Hope the other two could find 
> out why... Tomorrow.
>

I just noticed that the reason the private-list request example you
sent me failed is that you sent it from your foxmail account.
However the foxmail account is not a moderator.

Moderation confirmation replies include a cookie and will work from
any email, but
requests that you initiate have to come from the moderation address,
which in your case is your apache account.

>
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>
> From Wu Sheng 's phone.
>
>
> -- 原始邮件 --
> 发件人: sebb 
> 发送时间: 2019年3月5日 00:02
> 收件人: general , dev 
> 主题: 回复：答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
> SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:53, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe their mailers are also adding spurious characters to the To: 
> > > address.
> >
> >
> > That is really hard to know.
>
> Not really, you just have to look at the headers of the mail.
>
> These may be available in their mail client in the Sent folder; GMail
> seems to show them.
>
> Otherwise, if they copy themselves (*) or someone else on the mail,
> they can look at the raw email to see what was sent.
> (*) This won't work with GMail as it hides duplicates - in this case
> the incoming mail.
>
> >
> > Dongxue and Kai
> >
> >
> > Could you try to type the private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org manually, 
> > and try again? Tomorrow.
> > Also,
> > You could try John's option, https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe 
> > . Just not work to me.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "sebb";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:47 PM
> > To:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> > Cc:  "dev"; 
> > "general";
> > Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:26, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebb
> > >
> > > I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there. 
> > > This is my reply.
> > >
> > > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> > >
> > > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, 
> > > success.
> > >
> > > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> > >
> > > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> >
> > Thanks
> > I replied already in the thread.
> > Your emailer is adding some extra text to the To: address which I
> > think is confusing ezmlm.
> >
> > > > Who gets nothing?
> > >
> > > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail 
> > > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail 
> > > to subscriber, right?
> > > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> >
> > Yes, there should be a confirmation mail.
> > I have so far only seen mod requests for Allen.Wang
> >
> > Maybe their mailers are also adding spurious characters to the To: address.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sheng Wu
> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Original --
> > > From:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> > > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> > > To:  "sebb";
> > > Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> > > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> > >
> > > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, 
> > > suc

Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:53, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> > Maybe their mailers are also adding spurious characters to the To: address.
>
>
> That is really hard to know.

Not really, you just have to look at the headers of the mail.

These may be available in their mail client in the Sent folder; GMail
seems to show them.

Otherwise, if they copy themselves (*) or someone else on the mail,
they can look at the raw email to see what was sent.
(*) This won't work with GMail as it hides duplicates - in this case
the incoming mail.

>
> Dongxue and Kai
>
>
> Could you try to type the private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org manually, 
> and try again? Tomorrow.
> Also,
> You could try John's option, https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe . 
> Just not work to me.
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "sebb";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:47 PM
> To:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> Cc:  "dev"; 
> "general";
> Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:26, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> > I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there. This 
> > is my reply.
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, 
> > success.
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
> Thanks
> I replied already in the thread.
> Your emailer is adding some extra text to the To: address which I
> think is confusing ezmlm.
>
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
> > private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail 
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
> Yes, there should be a confirmation mail.
> I have so far only seen mod requests for Allen.Wang
>
> Maybe their mailers are also adding spurious characters to the To: address.
>
> >
> >
> > ------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> > To:  "sebb";
> > Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, 
> > success.
> >
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> >
> >
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
> > private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail 
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "sebb";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> > To:  "general";
> > Cc:  "dev";
> > Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebb
> > >
> > >
> > > I just sent confirm 
> > > `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=outlook@skywalking.apache.org`
> > >  requested by Yao Wang again.
> > > Still fail, 6 times just today
> >
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> > By the way

??????????: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[???? Sheng Wu]

I re-tried several times. For foxmail web tool, I  am using, only reply 
directly works. But the link always fail. But just for some ones 


Strange mail web tool.


I am happy this resolved. Thanks for helping. Hope the other two could find out 
why... Tomorrow.



Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin

From Wu Sheng 's phone.


--  --
??: sebb 
: 2019??3??5?? 00:02
??: general , dev 
: ??: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:53,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> > Maybe their mailers are also adding spurious characters to the To: address.
>
>
> That is really hard to know.

Not really, you just have to look at the headers of the mail.

These may be available in their mail client in the Sent folder; GMail
seems to show them.

Otherwise, if they copy themselves (*) or someone else on the mail,
they can look at the raw email to see what was sent.
(*) This won't work with GMail as it hides duplicates - in this case
the incoming mail.

>
> Dongxue and Kai
>
>
> Could you try to type the private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org manually, 
> and try again? Tomorrow.
> Also,
> You could try John's option, https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe . 
> Just not work to me.
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "sebb";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:47 PM
> To:  "???? Sheng Wu";
> Cc:  "dev"; 
> "general";
> Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:26,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> > I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there. This 
> > is my reply.
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, 
> > success.
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
> Thanks
> I replied already in the thread.
> Your emailer is adding some extra text to the To: address which I
> think is confusing ezmlm.
>
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
> > private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail 
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
> Yes, there should be a confirmation mail.
> I have so far only seen mod requests for Allen.Wang
>
> Maybe their mailers are also adding spurious characters to the To: address.
>
> >
> >
> > ------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  " Sheng Wu";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> > To:  "sebb";
> > Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, 
> > success.
> >
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> >
> >
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
> > private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail 
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "sebb";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> > To:  "general";
> > Cc:  "dev";
> > Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalk

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 11:32 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> ...If this project description is to be updated in the graduation proposal, 
> does it also need to be updated
> in the podling status file? and anywhere else?...

No, it's fine to have a slightly different description in the
graduation resolution.

It's best for the resolution's description to be reasonably broad -
projects evolve, and if that description is too specific it might
become "wrong" over time.

With this in mind I like sebb's proposal:

> related to application performance monitoring (aka a distributed tracing 
> system)

-Bertrand

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: ????: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[???? Sheng Wu]

Yes, I guess so.


--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


 




-- Original --
From:  "sebb";
Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:53 PM
To:  " Sheng Wu";
Cc:  "John D. Ament"; 
"general"; 
Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:45,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> Hi John
>
> I just try on that page, don't find skywalking-private in `Subscribe` or 
> `UnSubscribe` lists.
> I am already PPMC, no skywalking, zipkin, shardingsphere private, which I am 
> already there.
> But I could find incubator-private, since I am IPMC.
>
> Do I miss anything?

The page description only refers to PMC subscriptions in the context
of private lists.

I suspect it does not automatically handle PPMC (podling) subscriptions yet.

> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "John D. Ament";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:37 PM
> To:  "general";
> Cc:  "dev"; "sebb";
> Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
> Hi
>
> There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
> You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF username/password)
> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe and from here you can
> subscribe yourself to the private list if you're on the PPMC.
>
> At least in theory this should work.  Feel free to reply if it doesn't.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM  Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there.
> > This is my reply.
> >
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> > success.
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> >
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  " Sheng Wu";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> > To:  "sebb";
> >
> > Subject:  Re:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> > success.
> >
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> >
> >
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "sebb";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> > To:  "general";
> > Cc:  "dev";
> > Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebb
> > >
> > >
> > > I just sent confirm
&

Re: ????: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[???? Sheng Wu]

> Maybe their mailers are also adding spurious characters to the To: address.


That is really hard to know.


Dongxue and Kai


Could you try to type the private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org manually, and 
try again? Tomorrow.
Also,
You could try John's option, https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe . 
Just not work to me.


--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


 




-- Original --
From:  "sebb";
Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:47 PM
To:  " Sheng Wu";
Cc:  "dev"; 
"general"; 
Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:26,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb
>
> I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there. This 
> is my reply.
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, success.
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.

Thanks
I replied already in the thread.
Your emailer is adding some extra text to the To: address which I
think is confusing ezmlm.

> > Who gets nothing?
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
> private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail to 
> subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.

Yes, there should be a confirmation mail.
I have so far only seen mod requests for Allen.Wang

Maybe their mailers are also adding spurious characters to the To: address.

>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  " Sheng Wu";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> To:  "sebb";
> Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, success.
>
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
> private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail to 
> subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "sebb";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> To:  "general";
> Cc:  "dev";
> Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] 
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just sent confirm 
> > `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=outlook@skywalking.apache.org`
> >  requested by Yao Wang again.
> > Still fail, 6 times just today
>
> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
> contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
> moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.
>
> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> >
> > And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and 
> > Kai(oracle...@gmail.com)
> > Get nothing.
>
> Who gets nothing?
>
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "wang yao";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> > To:  
> > "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
> >
> > Subject:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> > Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, trying to subscribing again.
> >

Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:45, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> Hi John
>
> I just try on that page, don't find skywalking-private in `Subscribe` or 
> `UnSubscribe` lists.
> I am already PPMC, no skywalking, zipkin, shardingsphere private, which I am 
> already there.
> But I could find incubator-private, since I am IPMC.
>
> Do I miss anything?

The page description only refers to PMC subscriptions in the context
of private lists.

I suspect it does not automatically handle PPMC (podling) subscriptions yet.

> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "John D. Ament";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:37 PM
> To:  "general";
> Cc:  "dev"; "sebb";
> Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
> Hi
>
> There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
> You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF username/password)
> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe and from here you can
> subscribe yourself to the private list if you're on the PPMC.
>
> At least in theory this should work.  Feel free to reply if it doesn't.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there.
> > This is my reply.
> >
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> > success.
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> >
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> > To:  "sebb";
> >
> > Subject:  Re:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> >
> > Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> > success.
> >
> >
> > > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
> >
> >
> > Sent two examples to your personal mail.
> >
> >
> > > Who gets nothing?
> >
> >
> > They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> > to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> > But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> > to subscriber, right?
> > or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "sebb";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> > To:  "general";
> > Cc:  "dev";
> > Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebb
> > >
> > >
> > > I just sent confirm
> > `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=
> > outlook@skywalking.apache.org` requested by Yao Wang again.
> > > Still fail, 6 times just today
> >
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
> >
> > By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
> > contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
> > moderators),

Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:26, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb
>
> I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there. This 
> is my reply.
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, success.
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.

Thanks
I replied already in the thread.
Your emailer is adding some extra text to the To: address which I
think is confusing ezmlm.

> > Who gets nothing?
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
> private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail to 
> subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.

Yes, there should be a confirmation mail.
I have so far only seen mod requests for Allen.Wang

Maybe their mailers are also adding spurious characters to the To: address.

>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> To:  "sebb";
> Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, success.
>
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
> private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail to 
> subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------ Original --
> From:  "sebb";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> To:  "general";
> Cc:  "dev";
> Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just sent confirm 
> > `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=outlook@skywalking.apache.org`
> >  requested by Yao Wang again.
> > Still fail, 6 times just today
>
> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
> contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
> moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.
>
> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> >
> > And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and 
> > Kai(oracle...@gmail.com)
> > Get nothing.
>
> Who gets nothing?
>
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "wang yao";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> > To:  
> > "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
> >
> > Subject:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> > Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, trying to subscribing again.
> >
> > —
> > Yao Wang
> > Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
> > Twitter, @tinyallen16
> >
> > 
> > 发件人: 吴晟 Sheng Wu 
> > 发送时间: 2019年3月4日 19:26
> > 收件人: Incubator General; general; dev
> > 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
> > SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> > Hi Yao Wang
> >
> >
> > Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see 
> > whether we could pass this time.
> >
> >
> > Sebb
> > Appreciate very much.
> >
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >
> > From Wu S

Re: ????: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi John


I just try on that page, don't find skywalking-private in `Subscribe` or 
`UnSubscribe` lists.
I am already PPMC, no skywalking, zipkin, shardingsphere private, which I am 
already there.
But I could find incubator-private, since I am IPMC.


Do I miss anything?



--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


 




-- Original --
From:  "John D. Ament";
Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:37 PM
To:  "general";
Cc:  "dev"; "sebb"; 
Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



Hi

There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF username/password)
https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe and from here you can
subscribe yourself to the private list if you're on the PPMC.

At least in theory this should work.  Feel free to reply if it doesn't.

John

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM  Sheng Wu  wrote:

> Hi Sebb
>
>
> I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there.
> This is my reply.
>
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> success.
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> to subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original ------
> From:  "???? Sheng Wu";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> To:  "sebb";
>
> Subject:  Re:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> success.
>
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> to subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
> ------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "sebb";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> To:  "general";
> Cc:  "dev";
> Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just sent confirm
> `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=
> outlook@skywalking.apache.org` requested by Yao Wang again.
> > Still fail, 6 times just today
>
> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
> contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
> moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.
>
> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> >
> > And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(
> oracle...@gmail.com)
> > Get nothing.
>
> Who gets nothing?
>
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "wang yao";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> > To:  "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org
> ";
> >
> > Subject:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, tryin

Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[John D. Ament]

Hi

There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF username/password)
https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe and from here you can
subscribe yourself to the private list if you're on the PPMC.

At least in theory this should work.  Feel free to reply if it doesn't.

John

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:

> Hi Sebb
>
>
> I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there.
> This is my reply.
>
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> success.
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> to subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> To:  "sebb";
>
> Subject:  Re:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> > I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
>
> Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some,
> success.
>
>
> > Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
>
> Sent two examples to your personal mail.
>
>
> > Who gets nothing?
>
>
> They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail
> to private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org.
> But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail
> to subscriber, right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "sebb";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
> To:  "general";
> Cc:  "dev";
> Subject:  Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just sent confirm
> `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=
> outlook@skywalking.apache.org` requested by Yao Wang again.
> > Still fail, 6 times just today
>
> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
> contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
> moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.
>
> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?
>
> >
> > And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(
> oracle...@gmail.com)
> > Get nothing.
>
> Who gets nothing?
>
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "wang yao";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> > To:  "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org
> ";
> >
> > Subject:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, trying to subscribing again.
> >
> > —
> > Yao Wang
> > Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
> > Twitter, @tinyallen16
> >
> > 
> > 发件人: 吴晟 Sheng Wu 
> > 发送时间: 2019年3月4日 19:26
> > 收件人: Incubator General; general; dev
> > 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> > Hi Yao Wang
> >
> >
> > Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's
> see whether we could pass this time.
> >
> >
> > Sebb
> > Appreciate very much.
> >
> > Sh

Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 14:49, sebb  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> >
> > I just sent confirm 
> > `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=outlook@skywalking.apache.org`
> >  requested by Yao Wang again.
> > Still fail, 6 times just today
>
> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
>
> By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
> contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
> moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.
>
> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?

Your mail program seems to be adding some text to the reply address, e.g.

To: "=?gb18030?B?...etc..?=" 

(You can see that in the second email you forwarded to me)

I think that is what is causing ezmlm to reject your emails.

Please ensure you copy the reply address exactly as provided in the
email from ezmlm.
Or, in the above case, don't add extra characters to the address; it should be:

To: private-l...@skywalking.apache.org


> >
> > And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and 
> > Kai(oracle...@gmail.com)
> > Get nothing.
>
> Who gets nothing?
>
> >
> > --
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From:  "wang yao";
> > Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> > To:  
> > "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
> >
> > Subject:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> > Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, trying to subscribing again.
> >
> > —
> > Yao Wang
> > Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
> > Twitter, @tinyallen16
> >
> > 
> > 发件人: 吴晟 Sheng Wu 
> > 发送时间: 2019年3月4日 19:26
> > 收件人: Incubator General; general; dev
> > 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
> > SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> > Hi Yao Wang
> >
> >
> > Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see 
> > whether we could pass this time.
> >
> >
> > Sebb
> > Appreciate very much.
> >
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >
> > From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From: sebb 
> > Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
> > To: general 
> > Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> > Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >
> > I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
> > subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).
> >
> > I have added myself as a moderator to private@
> >
> > Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?
> >
> > S.
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

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To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: ????: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi Sebb


I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be not there. This is 
my reply.


> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.

Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, success.

> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?

Sent two examples to your personal mail.

> Who gets nothing?

They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org. 
But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail to 
subscriber, right?
or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.






--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


 




-- Original --
From:  " Sheng Wu";
Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
To:  "sebb";

Subject:  Re:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.


Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for some, success.


> Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?


Sent two examples to your personal mail.


> Who gets nothing?


They, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and Kai(oracle...@gmail.com), sent mail to 
private-subscr...@skywalking.apache.org. 
But nothing comes back to him, I remember, there should be a confirm mail to 
subscriber, right?
or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.


--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


 




-- Original --
From:  "sebb";
Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:49 PM
To:  "general";
Cc:  "dev"; 
Subject:  Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11,  Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb
>
>
> I just sent confirm 
> `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=outlook@skywalking.apache.org`
>  requested by Yao Wang again.
> Still fail, 6 times just today

I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.

By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.

Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?

>
> And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and 
> Kai(oracle...@gmail.com)
> Get nothing.

Who gets nothing?

>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "wang yao";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> To:  
> "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
>
> Subject:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> Ok, trying to subscribing again.
>
> ??
> Yao Wang
> Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
> Twitter, @tinyallen16
>
> ____________
> ??:  Sheng Wu 
> : 2019??3??4?? 19:26
> ??: Incubator General; general; dev
> : Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
> SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
> Hi Yao Wang
>
>
> Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see 
> whether we could pass this time.
>
>
> Sebb
> Appreciate very much.
>
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>
> From Wu Sheng 's phone.
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: sebb 
> Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
> To: general 
> Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> > >
> >
> > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
>
> I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
> subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).
>
> I have added myself as a moderator to private@
>
> Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?
>
> S.
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 12:11, 吴晟 Sheng Wu  wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb
>
>
> I just sent confirm 
> `private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=outlook@skywalking.apache.org`
>  requested by Yao Wang again.
> Still fail, 6 times just today

I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.

By the way, the email address such as the confirmation mail above
contains a cookie which means it can be sent by anyone (not just
moderators), so is best not shared on a public list.

Can you forward some example failure mails directly to me please?

>
> And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and 
> Kai(oracle...@gmail.com)
> Get nothing.

Who gets nothing?

>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From:  "wang yao";
> Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> To:  
> "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
>
> Subject:  答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> Ok, trying to subscribing again.
>
> —
> Yao Wang
> Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
> Twitter, @tinyallen16
>
> ________
> 发件人: 吴晟 Sheng Wu 
> 发送时间: 2019年3月4日 19:26
> 收件人: Incubator General; general; dev
> 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
> SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
> Hi Yao Wang
>
>
> Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see 
> whether we could pass this time.
>
>
> Sebb
> Appreciate very much.
>
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>
> From Wu Sheng 's phone.
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: sebb 
> Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
> To: general 
> Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> > >
> >
> > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
>
> I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
> subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).
>
> I have added myself as a moderator to private@
>
> Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?
>
> S.
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

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To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: ????: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi Sebb


I just sent confirm 
`private-tc.1551700751.baimfhedlialniklhnho-Allen.Wang.123=outlook@skywalking.apache.org`
 requested by Yao Wang again.
Still fail, 6 times just today.


And for other two PPMC members, Dongxue(1151262...@qq.com) and 
Kai(oracle...@gmail.com)
Get nothing.


--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


 




-- Original --
From:  "wang yao";
Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
To:  
"general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";

Subject:  : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate 
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



Ok, trying to subscribing again.

??
Yao Wang
Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
Twitter, @tinyallen16


??:  Sheng Wu 
: 2019??3??4?? 19:26
??: Incubator General; general; dev
: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

Hi Yao Wang


Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see 
whether we could pass this time.


Sebb
Appreciate very much.

Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin

From Wu Sheng 's phone.


-- Original --
From: sebb 
Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general 
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
>
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.

I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).

I have added myself as a moderator to private@

Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?

S.

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[王凯]

hi, Sebbaz:
I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
My email is oracle...@gmail.com

IluckySi <1151262...@qq.com> 于2019年3月4日周一 下午7:41写道：

> hi, Sebbaz:
> I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
>
>
> -- 原始邮件 --
> 发件人: "wu.sheng";
> 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上7:26
> 收件人: "Incubator General";"general"<
> general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
>
> 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> Hi Yao Wang
>
>
> Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see
> whether we could pass this time.
>
>
> Sebb
> Appreciate very much.
>
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>
> From Wu Sheng 's phone.
>
>
> ------ Original ------
> From: sebb 
> Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
> To: general 
> Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> > >
> >
> > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
>
> I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
> subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).
>
> I have added myself as a moderator to private@
>
> Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?
>
> S.
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org



-- 
致以崇高的敬意
王凯

?????? Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[IluckySi]

hi, Sebbaz:
I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.


--  --
??: "wu.sheng";
: 2019??3??4??(??) 7:26
??: "Incubator 
General";"general";"dev";

: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



Hi Yao Wang


Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see 
whether we could pass this time.


Sebb
Appreciate very much.

Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin

From Wu Sheng 's phone.


-- Original --
From: sebb 
Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general 
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
>
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.

I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).

I have added myself as a moderator to private@

Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?

S.

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[wang yao]

Ok, trying to subscribing again.

―
Yao Wang
Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
Twitter, @tinyallen16


发件人: 吴晟 Sheng Wu 
发送时间: 2019年3月4日 19:26
收件人: Incubator General; general; dev
主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

Hi Yao Wang


Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see 
whether we could pass this time.


Sebb
Appreciate very much.

Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin

From Wu Sheng 's phone.


-- Original --
From: sebb 
Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general 
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
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>
> >
> > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
>
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.

I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).

I have added myself as a moderator to private@

Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?

S.

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Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi Yao Wang


Could you try to subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org again. Let's see 
whether we could pass this time.


Sebb
Appreciate very much.

Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin

From Wu Sheng 's phone.


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From: sebb 
Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general 
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache 
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))



On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
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>
> >
> > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
>
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.

I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).

I have added myself as a moderator to private@

Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?

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Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
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>
> >
> > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
>
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.

I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
subscribe, but it may depend on the email provider (they used gmail).

I have added myself as a moderator to private@

Perhaps one of the people who failed earlier can try again?

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

> 
> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
>

This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.


> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
> something they need to follow.


Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list exist 
of not, unfortunately.

Anyway… to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation (per 
Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private ML. 
Reading the ASF guidelines here: 
https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I interpret 
it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm curious as to whether 
how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this among their pmc, if any. It's 
an interesting discussion… but I'm not entirely convinced it's an accurate 
shortcoming to whether the podling is ready for graduation or not. 

regards,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>
>
> > Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.
>
>
> Digging into this more…
>
> It looks there's also been troubles subscribing from China, or more accurate 
> receiving the confirm subscription emails from apache to chinese inboxes. 
> (And it wouldn't surprise me if after creating a new mail accounts and 
> getting things to work, folk would be forgetting then about 
> private@skywalking )
>
> There's some oddity like Yao Wang who is subscribed to dev ML but is not 
> getting the confirm email using the same email address for the private ML.
>
> For example:
> ```
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
> :
> ezmlm-manage: fatal: Illegal or outdated moderator request (#5.7.1)
> ```

The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.

> Indeed if I look through my inbox I see some of those missing from the 
> private ML having matching "CONFIRM subscribe to 
> priv...@skywalking.apache.org" emails. But they say they did not get those 
> emails.
>
> Folk are also just using the list.apache.org website, which is of no surprise 
> considering the above errors. We'll continue with this, as the Chinese 
> communities will need to have this sorted out, but we do believe that all 
> have attempted to subscribe.
>
> Is there a reason that people with @apache.org addresses have to manually 
> subscribe to these lists, if it's so mandatory?
>
> I would have thought this is something that should just then be automatic, 
> and then in this situation it's just the problem of ensuring the @apache.org 
> address is successfully forwarding emails.

People may wish to subscribe using a different email from the one to
which their ASF email is forwarded.

Subscription by the PPMC member achieves both the above:
- choice of email address
- validation that the address can get emails

It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
something they need to follow.

> regards,
> Mick
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

> Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.


Digging into this more…

It looks there's also been troubles subscribing from China, or more accurate 
receiving the confirm subscription emails from apache to chinese inboxes. (And 
it wouldn't surprise me if after creating a new mail accounts and getting 
things to work, folk would be forgetting then about private@skywalking )

There's some oddity like Yao Wang who is subscribed to dev ML but is not 
getting the confirm email using the same email address for the private ML.

For example:
```
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

:
ezmlm-manage: fatal: Illegal or outdated moderator request (#5.7.1)
```

Indeed if I look through my inbox I see some of those missing from the private 
ML having matching "CONFIRM subscribe to priv...@skywalking.apache.org" emails. 
But they say they did not get those emails. 

Folk are also just using the list.apache.org website, which is of no surprise 
considering the above errors. We'll continue with this, as the Chinese 
communities will need to have this sorted out, but we do believe that all have 
attempted to subscribe.

Is there a reason that people with @apache.org addresses have to manually 
subscribe to these lists, if it's so mandatory?
I would have thought this is something that should just then be automatic, and 
then in this situation it's just the problem of ensuring the @apache.org 
address is successfully forwarding emails.

regards,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.
> It was 8 when I checked earlier, but two subscriptions were added earlier 
> today.

It was 8 when I checked a few hours ago when I sent the email.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[sebb]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 09:13, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>
>
> > I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate.
> > Looking at the roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are
> > signed up to the projects private list. Some of the people suggested
> > have limited interaction on the mailing list(s)  and in a couple of
> > cases have never sent an email to them that I can find. How was this
> > PMC list determined and where was this discussed? Perhaps the roster
> > needs to be adjusted in the proposal for it to be accepted by the IPMC?
> > What do others think?
>
>
> Yeeaah, something that's not catching me off-guard  :-)
>
> I noticed this before we started this thread. We went through the roster and 
> most of those "missing" are subscribed with other (non-apache) addresses.

Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.
It was 8 when I checked earlier, but two subscriptions were added earlier today.

There are no unrecognised emails on the private@ list; all are
subscribed either with their ASF email or an email that is listed in
their LDAP record. So the list of PPMC members without subscriptions
is accurate in Whimsy.

Yesterday, 8 of the 13 PPMC members were not subscribed to the private
list. (The 4 mentors are subbed)

> Most of them are there and have been involved, also discussion on the private 
> ML is frowned upon except for votes on new committers/ppmc or security 
> issues, so more activity is present on dev and notifications. There are two 
> that have been quiet/inactive, but they remain trusted, so I would hesitate 
> to remove them (as per norm for ASF projects).
>
> regards,
> Mick
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I noticed this before we started this thread. We went through the roster and 
> most of those "missing" are subscribed with other (non-apache) addresses.

I checked their names and email address list in the proposal as well not just 
apache emails. Whimsey doesn’t report any other unknown addresses subscribed to 
that list so I really cannot see how that is possible.

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Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

> I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate. 
> Looking at the roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are 
> signed up to the projects private list. Some of the people suggested 
> have limited interaction on the mailing list(s)  and in a couple of 
> cases have never sent an email to them that I can find. How was this 
> PMC list determined and where was this discussed? Perhaps the roster 
> needs to be adjusted in the proposal for it to be accepted by the IPMC? 
> What do others think?


Yeeaah, something that's not catching me off-guard  :-)

I noticed this before we started this thread. We went through the roster and 
most of those "missing" are subscribed with other (non-apache) addresses. Most 
of them are there and have been involved, also discussion on the private ML is 
frowned upon except for votes on new committers/ppmc or security issues, so 
more activity is present on dev and notifications. There are two that have been 
quiet/inactive, but they remain trusted, so I would hesitate to remove them (as 
per norm for ASF projects).

regards,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Myrle Krantz]

When I was writing the graduation proposal for Fineract I explicitly asked
each PMC member for permission to put them on the list.  One guy never
answered, so I removed him from the list.  There's nothing really *wrong*
with having inactive PMC members, but you can at least start your project's
TLP "life" with the ones who are active enough to respond and subscribe.

YMMV, but for the graduation vote, I'd like to at least know which ones are
subscribed for the purposes of getting a slightly more accurate picture of
the project's true corporate diversity.

Best,
Myrle

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:42 AM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate. Looking
> at the roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are signed up to
> the projects private list. Some of the people suggested have limited
> interaction on the mailing list(s)  and in a couple of cases have never
> sent an email to them that I can find. How was this PMC list determined and
> where was this discussed? Perhaps the roster needs to be adjusted in the
> proposal for it to be accepted by the IPMC? What do others think?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1.  https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/skywalking
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate. Looking at the 
roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are signed up to the projects 
private list. Some of the people suggested have limited interaction on the 
mailing list(s)  and in a couple of cases have never sent an email to them that 
I can find. How was this PMC list determined and where was this discussed? 
Perhaps the roster needs to be adjusted in the proposal for it to be accepted 
by the IPMC? What do others think?

Thanks,
Justin

1.  https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/skywalking


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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi


I do the following changes.
1. Committer and PPMC number updated, in CO40
2.  Releases and bugs updated, in QU50
3.  Contributor updated, in IN10


Thanks.


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-- Original --
From:  "Justin Mclean";
Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 09:49 AM
To:  "general";

Subject:  Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)



Hi,

Yes and thanks for pointing this out.
> I have updated the document[1].
>

Have any other changes been made since last time?

Thanks.,
Justin

>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Yes and thanks for pointing this out.
> I have updated the document[1].
>

Have any other changes been made since last time?

Thanks.,
Justin

>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi Justin


> I assume the maturity documentation linked to in the discussion is slightly 
> out of date? [1] as it states "The community has elected 1 new committer and 
> 1 PPMC member during incubation, based on meritocracy.??.


Yes and thanks for pointing this out. 
I have updated the document[1]. Now it states "YES. The community has elected 9 
new committers, 3 of them also as PPMC members, during incubation, based on 
meritocracy."


[1] 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SKYWALKING/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+SkyWalking


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-- Original --
From:  "justin";
Date:  Mon, Mar 4, 2019 04:56 AM
To:  "general";
Cc:  "dev"; 
Subject:  Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)



Hi,

>> SkyWalking is making more consensus decisions via the ML, including 
>> discussions and decisions on issue, test, release, new committer and 
>> branding issues. Since the last graduation discussion, the community has 
>> voted in 9 new committers, 3 of them also as PPMC members.

I assume the maturity documentation linked to in the discussion is slightly out 
of date? [1] as it states "The community has elected 1 new committer and 1 PPMC 
member during incubation, based on meritocracy.??.

>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache SkyWalking PMC be and hereby is tasked
>> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
>> development and increased participation in the Apache SkyWalking
>> Project; and be it further

I suggest you remove this section, bylaws are not required.

Thanks,
Justin

1. 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SKYWALKING/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+SkyWalking

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

Thanks Justin for the reminder, this came up during the first discussion too 
and I completely skipped it.
The updated proposal is, including improvement from Sebb's feedback, 


==


Establish the Apache SkyWalking Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
related to application performance management and monitoring (APM).

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
(PMC), to be known as the "Apache SkyWalking Project", be and hereby is
established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache SkyWalking Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
application performance management and monitoring (APM); and 
be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache SkyWalking" be and
hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
SkyWalking Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of
the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache SkyWalking
Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache SkyWalking
Project:

 * Haoyang Liu  (刘浩杨)   
 * Hongtao Gao  (高洪涛)   
 * Ignasi Barrera   
 * Luke Han  (韩卿)   
 * Mick Semb Wever  
 * Sheng Wu  (吴晟)   
 * Shinn Zhang  (张鑫)
 * Willem Ning Jiang  (姜宁)  
 * Yongsheng Peng  (彭勇升)
 * DongXue Si (司冬雪) 
 * Jian Tan (谭建)
 * Kai Wang (王凯)
 * Sheng Wang (旺盛)  
 * Yang Bai (柏杨)
 * Yao Wang (王垚)
 * Yuntao Li (李运涛)  
 * Zhang Kewei (张科伟)

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Sheng Wu (吴晟) be 
appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache SkyWalking, to serve in 
accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and 
the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal
or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache SkyWalking Project be and hereby is tasked
with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
SkyWalking podling; and be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
SkyWalking podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
hereafter discharged.


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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > related to application performance monitoring: especially for
> > microservice, Cloud Native and container-based architecture systems;
> > also known as a distributed tracing system. .
> 
> Seems to me this is a bit too specific (and long) - can the example
> target systems be left out?
> 
> e.g. it could perhaps be rephrased as:
> 
> related to application performance monitoring (aka a distributed tracing 
> system)


If this project description is to be updated in the graduation proposal, does 
it also need to be updated in the podling status file? and anywhere else?

regards,
Mick

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

>> SkyWalking is making more consensus decisions via the ML, including 
>> discussions and decisions on issue, test, release, new committer and 
>> branding issues. Since the last graduation discussion, the community has 
>> voted in 9 new committers, 3 of them also as PPMC members.

I assume the maturity documentation linked to in the discussion is slightly out 
of date? [1] as it states "The community has elected 1 new committer and 1 PPMC 
member during incubation, based on meritocracy.”.

>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache SkyWalking PMC be and hereby is tasked
>> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
>> development and increased participation in the Apache SkyWalking
>> Project; and be it further

I suggest you remove this section, bylaws are not required.

Thanks,
Justin

1. 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SKYWALKING/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+SkyWalking
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)

[???? Sheng Wu]

Hi Sebb


> Seems to me this is a bit too specific (and long) - can the example
> target systems be left out?
> e.g. it could perhaps be rephrased as:
> related to application performance monitoring (aka a distributed tracing 
> system)

Thanks for noticing this.


Short version, we could say, SkyWalking is an open source application 
performance management/monitoring system, APM.


We join the incubator as an APM based on distributed tracing system, with our 
journey in incubator and the community grows, 
we become more than that (huge exciting about this, the charms of being a part 
of ASF). 
We could support observing/monitoring service mesh ecosystem, 
such as Envoy(on developing) and Istio,
others are trying to propose more, not formally yet.
Anyway, APM is good, well known, and easy enough.


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-- Original --
From:  "sebb";
Date:  Sun, Mar 3, 2019 10:04 PM
To:  "general";
Cc:  "dev"; 
Subject:  Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)



On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 12:08, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>
>
> Apache SkyWalking entered incubation in December of 2017. The SkyWalking 
> community has learnt a lot about how to do things in The Apache Way.
>
> The first time graduation was raised for discussion, five months ago, the 
> IPMC thought SkyWalking was not yet ready because of issues around "Community 
> growth and in particular how merit is recognised".
>
> That pushback has been helpful, the community has become a more open and 
> engaged community.
>
> SkyWalking is making more consensus decisions via the ML, including 
> discussions and decisions on issue, test, release, new committer and branding 
> issues. Since the last graduation discussion, the community has voted in 9 
> new committers, 3 of them also as PPMC members.
>
> SkyWalking has also helped Zipkin with podling learnings. And having a Zipkin 
> mentor involved in the recent discussions about the role and mechanisms of 
> the IPMC and the board, and any possible improvements that could be made to 
> the Incubator, it's witnessed and had a positive experience on the importance 
> of being involved in the broader Apache community.
>
>
> After discussion in the podling's community on the dev ML
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9aab116a5df46d10a655bbf243f525260bad7763f6f65bce19ec33bd@%3Cdev.skywalking.apache.org%3E
>
> ??and no objections, I'm raising the thread here for further discussion.
>
> Some stats and the proposed resolution is below, but let us know if there's 
> any other information we can provide to re-assure that the podling is ready 
> for graduation.
>
>
> A few stats to help with the discussion:
>
> SkyWalking has delivered 8 releases so far in total, and appears now to have 
> a good cadence of successful releases.
>
> During the podling's time in the Apache Incubator there has been
>  3200+ commits on development of the project,
>   378 Issues tagged as question in GitHub created, 373 resolved,
>   850+ Pull request created and resolved, and
>97 different contributors.
>
> The dev ML has had 72 participants.
>  https://lists.apache.org/trends.html?d...@skywalking.apache.org:2019
>
> Also please check out Apache Maturity Model Assessment for SkyWalking
>   
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SKYWALKING/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+SkyWalking
>
>
> regards,
> Mick Semb Wever (SkyWalking mentor)
>
> ==
>
>
> Establish the Apache SkyWalking Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to application performance monitoring: especially for
> microservice, Cloud Native and container-based architecture systems;
> also known as a distributed tracing system. .

Seems to me this is a bit too specific (and long) - can the example
target systems be left out?

e.g. it could perhaps be rephrased as:

related to application performance monitoring (aka a distributed tracing system)

> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache SkyWalking Project", be and hereby is
> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache SkyWalking Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> application performance monitoring: especially for microservice, Cloud
> Nat

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)

[sebb]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 12:08, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>
>
> Apache SkyWalking entered incubation in December of 2017. The SkyWalking 
> community has learnt a lot about how to do things in The Apache Way.
>
> The first time graduation was raised for discussion, five months ago, the 
> IPMC thought SkyWalking was not yet ready because of issues around "Community 
> growth and in particular how merit is recognised".
>
> That pushback has been helpful, the community has become a more open and 
> engaged community.
>
> SkyWalking is making more consensus decisions via the ML, including 
> discussions and decisions on issue, test, release, new committer and branding 
> issues. Since the last graduation discussion, the community has voted in 9 
> new committers, 3 of them also as PPMC members.
>
> SkyWalking has also helped Zipkin with podling learnings. And having a Zipkin 
> mentor involved in the recent discussions about the role and mechanisms of 
> the IPMC and the board, and any possible improvements that could be made to 
> the Incubator, it's witnessed and had a positive experience on the importance 
> of being involved in the broader Apache community.
>
>
> After discussion in the podling's community on the dev ML
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9aab116a5df46d10a655bbf243f525260bad7763f6f65bce19ec33bd@%3Cdev.skywalking.apache.org%3E
>
> …and no objections, I'm raising the thread here for further discussion.
>
> Some stats and the proposed resolution is below, but let us know if there's 
> any other information we can provide to re-assure that the podling is ready 
> for graduation.
>
>
> A few stats to help with the discussion:
>
> SkyWalking has delivered 8 releases so far in total, and appears now to have 
> a good cadence of successful releases.
>
> During the podling's time in the Apache Incubator there has been
>  3200+ commits on development of the project,
>   378 Issues tagged as question in GitHub created, 373 resolved,
>   850+ Pull request created and resolved, and
>97 different contributors.
>
> The dev ML has had 72 participants.
>  https://lists.apache.org/trends.html?d...@skywalking.apache.org:2019
>
> Also please check out Apache Maturity Model Assessment for SkyWalking
>   
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SKYWALKING/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+SkyWalking
>
>
> regards,
> Mick Semb Wever (SkyWalking mentor)
>
> ==
>
>
> Establish the Apache SkyWalking Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to application performance monitoring: especially for
> microservice, Cloud Native and container-based architecture systems;
> also known as a distributed tracing system. .

Seems to me this is a bit too specific (and long) - can the example
target systems be left out?

e.g. it could perhaps be rephrased as:

related to application performance monitoring (aka a distributed tracing system)

> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache SkyWalking Project", be and hereby is
> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache SkyWalking Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> application performance monitoring: especially for microservice, Cloud
> Native and container-based architecture systems; also known as a
> distributed tracing system. ; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache SkyWalking" be and
> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> SkyWalking Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of
> the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache SkyWalking
> Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache SkyWalking
> Project:
>
>  * Haoyang Liu  (刘浩杨)   
>  * Hongtao Gao  (高洪涛)   
>  * Ignasi Barrera   
>  * Luke Han  (韩卿)   
>  * Mick Semb Wever  
>  * Sheng Wu  (吴晟)   
>  * Shinn Zhang  (张鑫)
>  * Willem Ning Jiang  (姜宁)  
>  * Yongsheng Peng  (彭勇升)
>  * DongXue Si (司冬雪) 
>  * Jian Tan (谭建)
>  * Kai Wang (王凯)
>  * Sheng Wang (旺盛)  
>  * Yang Bai (柏杨)
>  * Yao Wang (王垚)
>  * Yuntao Li (李运涛)  
>  * Zhang Kewei (张科伟)
>
> NOW, 

[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)

[Mick Semb Wever]

Apache SkyWalking entered incubation in December of 2017. The SkyWalking 
community has learnt a lot about how to do things in The Apache Way. 

The first time graduation was raised for discussion, five months ago, the IPMC 
thought SkyWalking was not yet ready because of issues around "Community growth 
and in particular how merit is recognised".

That pushback has been helpful, the community has become a more open and 
engaged community. 

SkyWalking is making more consensus decisions via the ML, including discussions 
and decisions on issue, test, release, new committer and branding issues. Since 
the last graduation discussion, the community has voted in 9 new committers, 3 
of them also as PPMC members.

SkyWalking has also helped Zipkin with podling learnings. And having a Zipkin 
mentor involved in the recent discussions about the role and mechanisms of the 
IPMC and the board, and any possible improvements that could be made to the 
Incubator, it's witnessed and had a positive experience on the importance of 
being involved in the broader Apache community. 


After discussion in the podling's community on the dev ML 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9aab116a5df46d10a655bbf243f525260bad7763f6f65bce19ec33bd@%3Cdev.skywalking.apache.org%3E

…and no objections, I'm raising the thread here for further discussion.

Some stats and the proposed resolution is below, but let us know if there's any 
other information we can provide to re-assure that the podling is ready for 
graduation.


A few stats to help with the discussion:

SkyWalking has delivered 8 releases so far in total, and appears now to have a 
good cadence of successful releases.

During the podling's time in the Apache Incubator there has been
 3200+ commits on development of the project,
  378 Issues tagged as question in GitHub created, 373 resolved,
  850+ Pull request created and resolved, and
   97 different contributors.

The dev ML has had 72 participants.
 https://lists.apache.org/trends.html?d...@skywalking.apache.org:2019

Also please check out Apache Maturity Model Assessment for SkyWalking
  
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SKYWALKING/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+SkyWalking


regards,
Mick Semb Wever (SkyWalking mentor)

==


Establish the Apache SkyWalking Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
related to application performance monitoring: especially for
microservice, Cloud Native and container-based architecture systems;
also known as a distributed tracing system. .

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
(PMC), to be known as the "Apache SkyWalking Project", be and hereby is
established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache SkyWalking Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
application performance monitoring: especially for microservice, Cloud
Native and container-based architecture systems; also known as a
distributed tracing system. ; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache SkyWalking" be and
hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
SkyWalking Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of
the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache SkyWalking
Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache SkyWalking
Project:

 * Haoyang Liu  (刘浩杨)   
 * Hongtao Gao  (高洪涛)   
 * Ignasi Barrera   
 * Luke Han  (韩卿)   
 * Mick Semb Wever  
 * Sheng Wu  (吴晟)   
 * Shinn Zhang  (张鑫)
 * Willem Ning Jiang  (姜宁)  
 * Yongsheng Peng  (彭勇升)
 * DongXue Si (司冬雪) 
 * Jian Tan (谭建)
 * Kai Wang (王凯)
 * Sheng Wang (旺盛)  
 * Yang Bai (柏杨)
 * Yao Wang (王垚)
 * Yuntao Li (李运涛)  
 * Zhang Kewei (张科伟)

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Sheng Wu (吴晟) be 
appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache SkyWalking, to serve in 
accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and 
the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal
or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the initial Apache SkyWalking PMC be and hereby is tasked
with the creation of a set of