Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer
on 2003/4/1 6:08 PM, Ben Walding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is called value-adding in the commercial world. Some of you communist coding hippies may not have heard of this. Of course there is no value in open source since it is all free. =) -jon -- BU** SH** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Eyebrowse problem?
on 2003/3/23 4:24 PM, Howard M. Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of my users have complained that Tapestry is no longer being archived. I did a little poke around eyebrowse, and not only is Tapestry not archived, none of the lists seems to have been updated since late february. Once again, its all chaos at Jakarta. I don't understand why the folks with the capabilities and responsibilities to handle infrastructure issues and requests don't take five minutes to set up a BugZilla category for these things. Instead, it is left to endless e-mails, no tracking, nothing gets done ... My response to postings like this is: Thanks for volunteering! =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Eyebrowse problem?
on 2003/3/24 6:42 AM, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI theres been a lot of talk recently about eybrowse, it has been not working for several lists, not just Tapestry. Theres also been some discussion about tracking infrastructure issues. Needless to say there are two points of view as usual. :-\ d. Luckily, eyebrowse is also open source. =) Thanks for volunteering! -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Eyebrowse problem?
on 2003/3/24 10:11 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all due respect Jon, he doesn't have sufficient access to volunteer. You need a new phrase thanks for volunteering for the campaign ;-) Not as catchy, I admit. -Andy The 'access' clause is bullshit as well...all you have to do is ask and show that you are willing to help out... -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Project
on 2003/2/25 10:07 AM, Federico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, we are five italian programmers and we have finished some days ago Puff, a http cache proxy written in java that have some interesting features like a spider that prefetch the web links and an option to convert all images to black and white one to have a speeder connection for the client. This software is free licensed (we haven't already choosed what type but this is free however!!) and we think to jakarta subprojects. If it is possible tell us how we have to send it, the documentation and what ever you want. Best regards Paparoni Federico Fyi, http://Noodle.tigris.org/ would serve as a great framework to build such a proxy. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Project
on 2003/2/25 11:44 AM, Federico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you don't understand me. We have already finished the proxy's heart and we have written our classes almost like Noodle ever if we didn't know it. Federico Too bad you wasted your time then. =) -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Would Jakarta like to adopt MaybeUpload?
on 2003/2/20 7:16 AM, Simon Brooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's well established, widely used, debugged, and stable. It's also a lot simpler to use. The example given on URL: http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/fileupload/apidocs/org/apache/commons/fileup load/package-summary.html I think you missed the point...we don't need yet another fileupload package...we need you to work with the existing one to improve it and make it better. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS Q
on 2003/2/12 8:55 AM, neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at apachecon ! I'm hoping to have a chat with anyone who runs CVS for 50+ developers in a fast moving environment. I'm looking for some very basic pointers on whether we should implement it or not. Also might be in the market for some consultancy if anyone is based in the UK. Shameless plugs: #0. Yes, you need revision control. #1. SourceCast would be good for you and CollabNet can do the consulting on group development: http://collab.net/ #2. SVN is better than CVS, but you should definitely go with one of them: http://subversion.tigris.org/ -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Classic
LOL! http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1321 -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fun article...
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#20030204.1 -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Article posted on Jakarta site
on 2003/2/5 8:34 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts? +1 Make the change then... -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Review and testing of source code
on 2003/2/4 4:17 PM, Eric Merhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Can you please send me or point me to information on how submitted open source code is reviewed and tested by the organization before it is made available for download. My understanding is that this is managed through the Jakarta projec as SubProjects t but I couldn't find detailed on how the quality of submissions is controlled or monitored. Thanks, Eric Merhoff 925-600-6654 Review and Testing? That never happens. =) -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Comparision Report
on 2003/2/1 9:17 AM, Janina Rubacha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both models use true MVC patterns. Honestly, I don't see how Struts is 'true MVC'. There are so many places where the MVC contract is broken in Struts, it is silly. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging strategy
on 2003/1/29 5:56 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe log4j is here to stay. Its user base is large and growing. As time passes, more people will gravitate to it as it keeps improving. We have enough cool features in pipe to keep us busy for the foreseeable future. Simile, the future is bright and open! Log4J is a perfect example of the failure of the JCP. The JSR for Java logging was a failure because it didn't simply pick up Log4J as the standard. Go Ceki! -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nice
on 2003/1/29 7:16 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ASF is a member. Any ASF member is covered by that agreement, and can thus, if they choose, represent the ASF on the EG if the EG accepts. IIRC, non-members can also represent the ASF on an expert group, but it does require JCP agreements to be signed. Correct. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nice
on 2003/1/29 10:26 AM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the solution for committers who would like to be involved in the JCP is to hand around their announce list and website, when a particular new JSR is announced they can go volunteer. If successful, then they would do the agreement thing and be an ASF representative? Hen Correct. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I feel so vindicated.
http://www.freeroller.net/page/ara_e/20021214 I think we are going to see more and more of this over the coming year as the economy gets worse and worse and people are expected to produce real working applications. People are going to start to clue in to the fact that EJB sucks. JSP sucks. JCP sucks. Struts sucks. JSTL sucks. People are going to start to look for real solutions to their problems. Not just marketing hype and bullshit business practices. I feel so vindicated. How many years have I been saying the same thing over and over again? =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nice
Don't bother questioning or wondering about the JCP. Fact of the matter is that it is just one big fucked mess full of all the political bullshit you could ever imagine. It isn't worth your time. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nice
on 2003/1/28 9:50 PM, Robert Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to real life business. In the real world, not everything goes your way. You get to choose between a mass of political bullshit and having no choice at all. I opt for choice even if the choice is flawed. You can put your future in the hands of Microsoft if you want. Problem is that you are trusting them in a way they shouldn't be trusted. You gain the lack of political bullshit but loose the future.As long as Sun continues to respect the voting of the JCP, I will continue to support the JCP. Fact of the matter is that they don't unless you bitch loudly enough that they are disrespecting the purpose of the JCP. But then again, you probably don't see all the discussion that goes on the Servlet API and the other JSR that I'm on. If it wasn't for people like myself, Pier, Jason Hunter other ASF members (and other OSS people), the JCP would be producing specifications that we would never be able to implement here. What good is that? How is that any different than what M$ does? Real life business shouldn't be bullshit. I'm not going to buy into that. It is people like you who opt into the flawed choices instead of speaking up that allow the flawed choices to continue on longer than they should. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forum Software.
on 2003/1/22 12:28 PM, Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Install spamassassin and server-side filtering (with procmail, for instance). ;-) (It saves me between 5 and 10 spam messages a day, quite an effort just to download and delete). You should be so lucky to only get 5-10 a day. I get around 400. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Projects
What is it with IBM people suddenly wanting to start projects based around JSR's? Looks suspicious to me. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Projects
on 2003/1/21 8:10 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Scott Stevens wrote: What is it with IBM people suddenly wanting to start projects based around JSR's? Looks suspicious to me. IBM has proposed ASF projects in the past. IBM has both lead and participated in JSRs. In fact, JSR 110 is both lead by IBM and has an open source reference implementation [1]. What's the surprise? The fact that it seems to have come out of no where. Maybe it is just the conspiracy theorist in me. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSX
on 2003/1/17 5:46 PM, Brian McCallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun hasn't released a 1.4 JDK for OSX yet, but I use quite a few of the 1.4 features daily for work. Is there a ultra-sekret 1.4 JDK for OSX out that i am unaware of, or are all of the OSX'ers in Apache using 1.3? There is a beta 1.4.x JDK...it has bugs, but I have been using it fairly well for a while now...click the 'Join ADC' button and you can setup a free account which will give you access...nice thing is that account works across all of apple's various login pages on their site... http://connect.apple.com -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forum Software for Jakarta?
on 2003/1/15 3:12 AM, Robert Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mailing lists are not as good as forums for communication. --Robert That is your opinion. They have worked well here since 1997. I hate the idea that I would have to go check a website to read discussions and I hate the text input fields on web browsers as an editor. Part of why I also hate wiki...same problem. I can have the website email me when there is an update, but then that defeats the purpose. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how do you work??
on 2003/1/15 7:02 PM, Eduardo Andrés Alfonso Sierra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanna know what specific tools do you use, or what kind of tools do you use to use, to develop the software. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/getinvolved.html -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]
on 2003/1/10 5:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this might be interesting to some folks... They're porting PHP to Java... -Andy Yea, it is called JSP w/ scriptlets. This is a stupid idea. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]
on 2003/1/10 9:54 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But interesting no? ;-) Not anymore interesting than Jython... Hey, let's re-write every language in Java just to be interesting! I'm waiting for the C implementation in Java. Not. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry incubation
on 2003/1/4 2:54 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no-connotation requestedaction=subscribe, ignore Please subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested in participating in the Tapestry incubation process. Thank you, Andy /no-connotation What is up with the left hand side of the layout taking up ~45% of the page? http://studioz.tv/huge-margin.pdf -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Senior Java JSP Software Engineer Position Available
Seems like a good place to forward this piece of s p a m. Let me know if you get the job. =) -- Forwarded Message From: James Moore Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:41:57 -0800 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Senior Java JSP Software Engineer Position Available We are currently conducting a search for a Senior Java Software Engineer with experience developing User Interface software using JSP. The person will develop a Web-based UI for an enterprise software product. The client is a recently-funded 15-20 person startup located in Mountain View, CA. A job description appears below. I am not certain that you have the necessary qualifications for this position, but our records indicate that you might. I am writing you because I thought you might be interested in this position for yourself or could recommend someone. If you are interested, please reply via email with your resume. Also please feel free to forward this announcement to any of your friends and associates. Please note: If you don¹t have the required skills for this search but are interested in being considered for any other openings that we may have available, please do send us your resume. However, if you have submitted a resume to us in the past 90 days, please do not send us a new copy. When your resume was received it was carefully reviewed personally by our senior search staff and entered into our search database, and you are being considered for new job opportunities as they become available. Sending another copy only makes for needless extra effort for all concerned. Thanks for your co-operation. Yours sincerely, Ann Mitchell Search Director Mail To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Interviews are already under way, so a quick reply is important if you would like to learn more or wish to be considered. __ Enterprise User Interface Developer This position will design and create the user interface by writing JSPs comprised of HTML, JavaScript, and Java. This position is in charge of designing the overall functionality, presentation, and user interface of our software products based on product requirements. Their deliverables define all operational aspects of the software and drive the engineering, quality assurance, and end-user documentation activities of the organization. The implementation will be dominated by JSPs, but also make use of report writers. This person must have a good understanding of how our product will be used by various types of people at our customer sites. This person must be able to understand the EJBs implementation and guide their functionality. The person will be working in a small team of highly experienced engineers. This person must have strong teamwork and communication skills. This person must have a strong understanding of Java, HTML and report writers. You will be expected to build numerous prototypes and test their appeal with customer and other members of the engineering team. Job Requirements - 2 years of experience in developing Java Server Pages in a real product shipped to customer - 4 years in web application development - Layout and design of user-centric web application user interfaces (not web sites) - Jakarta Struts - JavaScript - Java 4 years - User interface design in HTML/DHTML Preferred Skills - BEA WebLogic experience - Actuate or other report writer - Five to ten years of software experience at software companies Responsibilities - Product look and feel and consistency - Design the usage flows through the product for each type of user - Build and test prototypes of the interface - Design and develop the product user interface - Production of final HTML and style sheets - Ensure that the product we are building is useful to, and usable by our customers -- End of Forwarded Message -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Senior Java JSP Software Engineer Position Available
on 2003/1/3 11:29 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know Jon. Seems like a good opportunity for you. You'd get to brush up on your JSP skills (dominated by JSP), use Struts, and gain experience with BEA. It seems like a perfect fit for you! You forgot honing my EJB skills as well. =) I do have tons of experience with BEA products. I was using Tengah long before most people. Hell, I found about 10 bugs in it, decompiled their source code using JAD, sent them patches and after a short while, realized that I was working for them for free and started working on ECS, Village and Jserv instead. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Senior Java JSP Software Engineer Position Available
on 2003/1/3 11:58 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because I'd hate to see you under federal indictment* *now that we both no longer live in such a free country. Jon did this before the instatement of that wonderous Digital Millenium Copyright Act. -Andy And just to be clear, I only decompiled a couple classes in Tengah dealing with their pre-JSP tool called JHTML, not in htmlKona, dbKona or their servlet engine and I sent them my patches (which they never gave me any sort of credit for)... =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/acknowledgements.html]
on 2002/12/30 1:05 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clearink.com - AFAIK they don't provide anything, they don't even exist anymore. +1 for removing them. They exist (kinda), but don't do anything to help anymore. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Preprocessing tool
on 2002/12/20 4:00 PM, didge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, Ever needed cross platform file preprocessing integrated with Ant? Then please check out VPP, the Velocity Preprocessor, at http://vpp.sourceforge.net. VPP provides three useful tools that integrate Velocity and Ant: * VPPFilter - a FilterReader implementation of Velocity * VPP - an extension of Ant's copy task with an integrated VPPFilter, useful as a short cut when all you want to do is preprocess files. * VPPJavac - an extension of Ant's javac task that integrates VPPFilter so that all source files are preprocessed before compilation. Enjoy and Happy Holidays! Great! This shows *exactly* how Velocity is more than just a web tool. One thing that isn't clear with your tool documentation is what is available in the context and how to put objects into the context. Also, too bad it is LGPL. You should consider a license similar to the ASF license. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
on 2002/12/18 9:19 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the point was that we also need people to review the commits and people to vote on the release. Thanks for volunteering. I don't know what final would mean - if bugs are found that affect projects using regexp ( like tomcat which AFAIK has a dependency ) - then I hope it'll still be possible to fix them. Read what I wrote. It means it will be the last release of the jakarta-regexp project. Given that you haven't fixed any of the bugs or done any of the work on this project, what the hell are you talking about? My opinion about stable projects like regexp: we should change the I just stopped reading after you said my opinion. BTW - thanks for taking the time to fix the bugs in regexp, and congratulations to the jakarta-regexp team for completing the project ! :-) Thanks for being a complete idiot Costin. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
on 2002/12/19 8:04 AM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant it very seriously - I think every project should have a goal, and should eventually reach the goal in a finite amount of time. The fact that jakarta-regexp just works and has met its goals is a very positive thing. And the team that worked on it deserve ( sincere ) congratulations ( including you, Jon ). Costin Yup, just like Tomcat 3...which should have reached its goal years ago. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
on 2002/12/19 10:25 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Andy theorem on general Apache Jakarta discussions continues to prove true (they all devolve into a rehash of the bad ol days of Tomcat 3.3/4)... Please don't take the bait guys... Pretty please? -Andy Sorry, it is a very sore point. Many long hours went into banging my head against The Wall (Costin) and even to this day, he and I can't agree on anything. The irony of it all is that Costin ended up dropping T3 and is now working on T4/T5. If only he had listened to us back then, I wouldn't have wasted so much time. The point being that we seem to continue to do the same circle. We get people like Nicola who are similar to Costin in The Wall mindset and the same exact discussions go round and round just on different topics (ie: Maven vs. Centipede vs. Forrest vs. vs. vs. vs.). Personal growth on my part would assume that I would find a way to arrange things so that they see the light without making them feel stupid and giving them a way to win. However, with people who have The Wall mentality, I have not been able to figure out the right approach as of yet. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [POLL] OS of choice
on 2002/12/18 1:14 AM, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon, Server, desktop or what? d. What computer OS did you use to type that email from? =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
on 2002/12/18 7:36 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such codebases (for example, regexp) are heavily depended upon and so interwoven into the fabric of many Jakarta subprojects that it is hard to imagine removing then from the ASF despite the somewhat different community dynamic one sees thre. There isn't even a quorum to hold a proper release vote or people actively monitoring the bug reports and commits. This is a problem. Hey, I resemble that remark! The fact of the matter is that I have picked Regexp back up and have recently applied a bunch of bug fixes and closed a number of open issues (I spent about 1 hour on it). I was going to close all the bugs the other day, but Nagoya decided to go for a trip for a few hours while I was working on it and I got busy with Scarab again. As soon as my current major Scarab deadline is over (Dec 20th), I plan to spend another couple hours and make one final release of Regexp. At which point, I'm going to call the project 'final' and Jakarta can figure out what they want to do with it from there. Previous ideas included just moving it to be distributed under the ORO project which I think is a good idea and will remove some confusion. I will probably be willing to help with that. I think that there are far larger problems for the PMC to focus on (which I still have not seen any response for) such as why all the file downloads for OJB are still on SF.net. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FYI: Follow up on the XML'ization of MS Office 11
on 2002/12/17 10:22 AM, Brian Ewins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is old news I but I just saw it today: there's a tool that can convert word 2000 docs (saved as html) to an xml doc and an xsl-t script to generate xsl:fo - and from there to PDF. http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/fabgia/wh2fo/wh2fo.html Very nice trick. On OSX you can simply save as a PDF when you print the document. No XML needed. Get a Mac. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[POLL] OS of choice
I added a simple poll for Jakarta developers. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/os.html Please update the site with your preferences. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [POLL] OS of choice
on 2002/12/17 1:15 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A nice idea, and a simple way of adding in the votes, but with the issue that people without access to jakarta-site2 are unable to commit changes. I'm sorry, but I'm so tired of hearing that lame excuse over and over again, even though it is CLEARLY DOCUMENTED as being untrue for YEARS NOW. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html People who have accounts on apache.org can check in their changes to the jakarta-site2 module directly. If you get an error such as Access denied: Insufficient Karma, then please send email to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and we will grant you the appropriate access. If you do not have an account, then please feel free to send patches (against the .xml files and not the .html files!) to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [POLL] OS of choice
on 2002/12/17 2:54 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Jon, Can people have two operating systems of choice for your page? Hen If people have more than one preference. I would prefer to have it as the primary preference of choice, but if you really have grey area, that is cool as well. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [POLL] OS of choice
on 2002/12/17 2:29 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's fun? :) +1! Finally something that isn't just about how much Sun sucks ass. Although, it would be nice if they did do something someday that wasn't blatantly stupid (if only you guys could read the JSR-154 list...). On a side note, Jakarta needs a Poll/Survey/Questionnaire project someday. Least it'd be cool. I agree. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [POLL] OS of choice
on 2002/12/17 6:27 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is untrue, then why not give all Jakarta committers access to jakarta-site2 to encourage people to work on the site. Anyone who asks for it gets it. Why it works that way, I don't know. It is just how it has been done. Changing it is another discussion. Send a patch. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bad Link to FAQ
on 2002/12/14 1:19 PM, John Petrula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FAQ link at http://jakarta.apache.org/regexp/index.html is bad. We know...there is about 10 issues in the bug tracker for it as well...I was working on Regexp the other day (I closed about 10 bugs and applied a bunch of patches to CVS) and then nagoya went on a move and I didn't get a chance to get back to it...probably won't for another week or two...my goal is to close out all of the bugs that have patches, do one more release and then consider regexp a 'done' project unless someone else wants to pick it up...even if someone picks it up...it should really be integrated into the ORO project... -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
on 2002/12/6 2:07 AM, Vladimir R. Bossicard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From : mohammad nabil [EMAIL PROTECTED] i will leave Apache system if you used any Micro$oft products. when you support Micro$oft you help in KILLING an open source project :'( From someone using a msn.com email account... -Vladimir -- Vladimir R. Bossicard www.bossicard.com Nice catch. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A suggestion for Scarab
on 2002/12/5 6:18 AM, O'brien, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone put a note on that Login pages of Scarab that lets people know what the roles mean (what is a Partner, do we ever expect to have a Partner?), and that if one requests Developer role in any project that will be granted immediately. Basically, my beef is that there is a *perceived* barrier to entry here, when in fact there absolutely none. ( Also, don't get me wrong Scarab is a great thing. I'm noticing that Bugzilla doesn't scale well with all the projects/versions/components, etc ) That is a great request. In the ASF use of Scarab, we should just do away with the default roles (yes, they are configurable) and simply just have two roles: Root and Public. We don't need to categorize people in the ASF like that. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: velocity lovers...
on 2002/12/4 9:20 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.miceda-data.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/2002/12/04#Java/velocity -Andy Wow. Java Server Faces really sucks ass. Much more than I could have ever imagined. No wonder I didn't bother looking at it before. What a confusing, over engineered, under thought out way to do things! I'm really surprised that Sun thinks that anyone is going to use this crap and actually like it. I can hear the UI designers now... What does this mean? faces:textentry_input id='name' faces:validator className='javax.faces.validator.LengthValidator'/ faces:attributename= 'javax.faces.validator.LengthValidator.MINIMUM' value='3'/ /faces:textentry_input I think it is really funny that the validation code is being put into the templates. Let me guess, you don't have to do that if you don't want to. What happened to taking the APPLICATION LOGIC out of the View? If someone even starts to say to me that JSF is anywhere close to MVC, I think I will have to violently expel my lunch in their direction. Ha! I'm completely amazed and disappointed that Sun is spending so much time, energy and money towards creating so much crap. Bah. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Short Apache licence for source files
on 2002/12/4 11:30 AM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this fuss is about 34 lines of text? I don't get it. Why not just use the full license and forget about whether or not the short form is OK? -- Martin Cooper +1 -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sun Is Losing Its Way
Great guest editorial article (no web link yet it seems) in the November Java Developers Journal that I suggest you read. It briefly outlines how the JCP is screwing up the way that Sun manages Java. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: velocity lovers...
on 2002/12/4 5:57 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Java Communist Party LOL! -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I win!
on 2002/12/3 6:35 AM, Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While in good mood, may be you could apply http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=8467 ? Vadim Where are the test cases? -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I win!
on 2002/12/3 12:20 PM, Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Done. Attached to the bug report: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=4029 Done. As an added bonus, I updated the build system to use more current standards. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I win!
on 2002/12/3 1:20 PM, Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ant docs fails with: AnakiaTask is not present! Please check to make sure that velocity.jar is in your classpath. Fixed I guess something is wrong here (yes, I've checked out jakarta-site2). Also, ant package-all fails because of: Sam already caught that one... -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I win!
Yes, I win! http://cvs.apache.org/~rubys/committers.html Ok, that page makes me laugh. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE Developers' guide
on 2002/11/24 12:26 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html Thanks for your help! -Andy Great document Andy. The more idiot guides we have, the less idiots we will have. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let the games begin...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/default.asp?url=/downloads/sample.asp?ur l=/MSDN-FILES/027/002/097/msdncompositedoc.xml Note that it runs on OSX. Also note that the latest version of OSX has a journaled filesystem option which is enabled on an existing disk by simply typing 'sudo diskutil enableJournal /'. That brings OSX up to high end server OS capabilities and with the cool Xserve hardware... Now only if the prices fell through the roof... Things seem to be moving quite well for Apple now. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [scarab] problems with scarab server
on 2002/11/11 12:30 AM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just need to make it clear that it isn't Nagoya that is slow, it is MySQL. MySQL isn't slow...it is MySQL on Nagoya that is slow. MySQL on my OSX box here at home is blazing fast. Slowaris sucks... -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets site.vsl
on 2002/11/11 8:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try to avoid this problem in the future by adding a big warning to all generated files. Will it help? Who knows? Experience says no. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Gump changes
on 2002/11/10 9:06 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) I plan to move Gump out of Alexandria. My favorite suggestion to date is from Costin: move Gump to jakarta-commons. If you care to comment on this, please direct your replies to alexandria-dev. - Sam Ruby Personally, I think it should just become a top level project. It is a container for all the other projects and a very important part of the whole larger picture. Gump.apache.org -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Gump changes
on 2002/11/10 8:25 PM, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the size of the development community supporting gump ? 1.3 Sam might be short, but he has .3 of someone else's personality! =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [scarab] problems with scarab server
on 2002/11/8 8:53 PM, Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Scarab on nagoya is always very slow, almost to the point of being unusable. I just need to make it clear that it isn't Scarab that is slow, it is nagoya. =) -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Why Sun lost the Yahoo! account...
I knew that not having a decent FreeBSD JVM was eventually going to bite Sun in the ass in a very public way... Why not JSP, Servlets, or J2EE? http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm It would have been cool to say that Java powered Yahoo! -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Java Meetup @ StudioZ.tv (@ my bar/club!!!!)
Hey all, The next Java Meetup is still being voted on for a place and this time one of the 'randomly' selected locations to vote on is my night club/bar in San Francisco, StudioZ.tv! So, let's get some people signed up for it and voting for my space so that the event will be held there and let's do a fun event! I have open 802.11b wireless in the space as well, so bring your laptop! You can sign up (and vote for the location) for the meetup here: http://java.meetup.com/ Please forward this email on to anyone else who might be interested. Post it to the online Java forums, etc. and let's make it into a great event! Oh yea, I promise we will make some drink specials. =) http://studioz.tv/events/javameetup -jon stevens -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Linux Magazine article
on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like EOB (eob.sourceforge.net) Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument. People realize that EJB sucks ass, so they develop something that is simple to use and implement and makes some real sense...while the whole time, we have Sun pushing their J2EE crap down our throats. Maybe once Sun's stock price dips below 1.0 will they wake up... -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [Fwd: Re: [eclipse-dev] Java compiler defaults changed]
on 2002/10/23 2:24 PM, Tom Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of mass source code analysis, here's some of the Sourceforge projects and their unused code stats (unused locals, unused fields, etc): http://pmd.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/webpmd.pl I thought about doing a similar page for Jakarta projects - just use the anonymous CVS access for each Jakarta project, run PMD on it, pipe the output to a file, and link it all together - but perhaps that would be annoying Yours, Tom Maven uses various plugins to essentially produce this same data (and more). -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [INVITATION] community@apache.org
This mail list will be closed to committers only, the citizens of the Apache Software Foundation, and will serve as the place to talk about the future of the foundation. Why is this getting forwarded to general when it has already been forwarded to committers? I'm getting a bazillion copies of this email and not everyone is actually invited, so why tease? -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Problem with Bugzilla
on 2002/10/19 3:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there -- On Saturday 10/19/02 at 18:33 EST, I tried to look up bugs regarding what I can do to fix Ant.bat so it will work on Windows98 and every time I would get onto the Bugzilla page, my AOL browser would just freeze up and I couldn't even move my mouse or do anything with my keyboard. This happened 4 times so I know it is no freak occurrence so I thought I would let you know. Sincerely, Allan J Horwitz, M.Sc. For AOL tech support, please call 1-800-AOL-SUCK =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta
on 2002/10/19 4:22 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to start a new project for a new Servlet Container that is not Tomcat! :-) Let's see how many fans I'm going to get! :-) Pier Yea, let's see if we can move Jetty under Jakarta. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Developer wishes to donate project to Apache
on 2002/10/11 9:44 AM, Mike Stover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Cohen, author of TestMaker software (from www.pushtotest.com) would like to donate the software to Apache (Jakarta). TestMake is similar in purpose to Apache JMeter, but very different in execution. There are possibilities of sharing code between the two projects, and swapping capabilities. Frank would like to open a dialog with whomever is in charge of making any decisions regarding this. Whom should he contact? RTM? http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
on 2002/10/9 10:40 AM, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mod_python is looking more and more attractive to me all the time, a clever balance between the two. Not really. This is about as good as plain servlets. http://www.modpython.org/live/mod_python-2.7.8/doc-html/tut-pub.html Notice the HTML embedded in the .py file? There really isn't anything different between that and a servlet and isn't python slower than Java anyway? So, now we just go down the path of re-implementing everything we have spent years implementing in Java...I don't see the gain. +1 for python as a replacement for Perl scripts -0 for python as a replacement for Servlets =) -jon (who thinks Daniel is bitten by the python bug =) ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts and Tomcat 4.0
on 2002/10/9 4:20 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe they also tried to make a JSR out of it, but got shot down somewhere in the middle... :-( Pier Geir and I approached the JCP about creating a JSR for a Java Template Language (see enclosed) and even had a number assigned to track it (I forget which number now). However, after battling some ASF people (ahem Craig) who didn't want to see the ASF support such a useful thing (Craig is afraid that Velocity might actually beat the shit out of his companies JSP) as well as discussions with clueless JCP EC members who couldn't tell the difference between Velocity and JSP (Hello! Ever tried to use JSP outside of a web request??); Geir and I decided to remove our proposal. On top of it, this was right when the ASF was in the heated battle with the JCP to get what we wanted in terms of licensing so the timing was off anyway. In the end, I think the JCP is a miserable failure anyway. Sun's stock isn't worth anything http://chart.yahoo.com/c/0b/s/sunw.gif and the JCP is still weighed down with a minimal support staff and a load of bullshit politics which only make the lawyers rich. Imho, Velocity is as much of a standard as JSP is and doesn't need the JCP to 'approve' it. http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd-implementation.html -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD TITLEJava Template Language/TITLE /HEAD BODY BGCOLOR=#FF TEXT=#00 P FONT SIZE=+2General Instructions/FONT P This template has been designed to be easily filled out using an HTML editor. Please complete all sections. Don't forget to give the proposed specification a name. P E-mail the completed JSR to: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A. Don't forget to include the name of the JSR in the subject line. PAs stated in A HREF=jcp2.html#1Section 1/A of the Java Community Process, JSRs will only be accepted from Members. BRBR HR A NAME=1/A PFONT size=+2Title:br/b(Insert JSR name here)/FONT/P PJava Template Language/P Pfont size=+2Summary:/fontbr(Please provide a description of the JSR in 30 words or less)/P P This JSR defines a template language, the functionality of the template processing engine, and supporting APIs designed for formatting and processing textual and other information from Java. /P PFONT size=+2Section 1. Identification/FONT PbSubmitting Member:/b Apache Software Foundation/P PbName of Contact Person:/b Geir Magnusson Jr. and Jon S. Stevens/P PbE-Mail Address:/b [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]/P PbTelephone Number:/b 203-834-0898 and 510-843-3122/P PbFax Number:/b none/P BR PbSpecification Lead:/b Geir Magnusson Jr. and Jon S. Stevens/P PbE-Mail Address:/b [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]/P PbTelephone Number:/b 203-834-0898 and 510-843-3122/P PbFax Number:/b none/P BR PBInitial Expert Group Membership:/B br(Please provide company or organization names. Note that expert group members must have A HREF=./getstarted.htmlsigned the JSPA/A.)/P PApache Software Foundation/P BRBR A NAME=2/A P FONT SIZE=+2Section 2: Request/FONTP /P H42.1 Please describe the proposed Specification:/H4 P We intend to propose a standard Java Template Language which is based upon the Apache Jakarta Velocity project as the reference implementation. Here is a description of Velocity: /P P Velocity is a Java-based template engine. It permits anyone to use the simple yet powerful template language to reference objects defined in Java code. It also defines a minimal set of directives that control basic logic, variables and basic looping constructs. /P P When Velocity is used for web development, Web designers can work in parallel with Java programmers to develop web sites according to the Model-View-Controller (MVC) model, meaning that web page designers can focus solely on creating a site that looks good, and programmers can focus solely on writing top-notch code. /P P Velocity has been successfully used to solve many problems in textual processing and data output in Java. These solutions include source code (Java, C, etc) and SQL code generation, XML document transformation in conjunction with and in place of XSLT, and web page generation in the Java servlet environment. Velocity is also included in GentleWare's Poseidon for UML Community Edition as the template tool for dynamic generation of Java code from UML. /P P For more information on Velocity, please visit the a href=http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/;website/a which contains full documentation and download the release. /P H42.2 What is the target Java platform? (i.e., desktop, server, personal, embedded, card, etc.)/H4 PDesktop, Server, Personal/P H42.3 What need
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
on 2002/10/8 1:14 AM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it even more amusing to see you try to defend I never defend. I only offend by exposing the truth. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
on 2002/10/8 2:42 AM, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHP 5 and MySQL 4 will make java, .Net, and all similar technologies obsolete. Said one manager to another manager on a golf court, after having spent the weekend with his 12 year old son who built the school website. It took me a week ton convince the another manager that it might not be a good idea to start building our SOAP services in PHP. I still think that the optimal solution is a true SOC using XML, but the world is too stupid to understand that... All everyone wants is a quick and dirty solution... Yeah, well, you can edit PHP pages in dreamweaver, and manage your MySQL databases with it too, all automatically, so who needs programmers anymore anyway? Says the 12 year old. The world, stupid? Nah. People would never choose a technically inferior VCR. We're going to win this. cheers, Leo I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the StudioZ.tv website in PHP4 on OSX. It is a pretty cool webapp that has really transformed things for us and made my life MUCH easier (the office staff can fully manage the events that show up on the website via a browser). I incorporate several technologies into the site (including a cool XML-RPC interface that talks to presaleticketing.com to tell us how many tickets have been sold). I used PHP because it was quick and easy and I didn't have time to 'design' the application. The only thing that sucks is that the code is a complete hack that is going to be terrible to maintain over the long term and half the time, I can't figure out why something does or doesn't work. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
on 2002/10/8 8:41 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Velocity is as fast as JSP. geir ...if not faster... -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts and Tomcat 4.0
on 2002/10/8 9:39 AM, amar bhatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello , we have developed a web site in which we have implemented struts for designing the page , this works fine on Apache and jsp engine from oracle (9ias) but we now have to move the web site to apache and tomcat environment. the jsp pages are compiling fine on this env. but only the header part of the jsp is displayed. The operating system is sun . the struts.jar are present tomcat lib directories. tlds are present in WEB-INF directory and web.xml is also present. does anyone knows why this is happining thanking you If only you had used Velocity (which is also FAR more portable than JSP as you don't have to work around bugs or design decisions in each individual container)...only one implementation of Velocity will ever be needed... =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
on 2002/10/8 2:32 PM, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the StudioZ.tv website in PHP4 on OSX. Hey, that looks like maven! :P Actually, it looks like CollabNet's SourceCast. Scarab looks like SourceCast and Maven looks like Scarab. =) We use PHP all the time (I sometimes call it InstantCMS) and it is a great tool for whacking up a dynamic website. It's just that creating enterprise SOAP services in it that talk to oracle on one side and delphi clients on the other is painful. Or running a site with like 10,000,000 articles and as many visitors/day. It is more than that though...it is about long term code design and maintainability. My pages are FULL of code...that is just evil. Even worse is that there is no way around that unless I use a template system within PHP! Yuck! If I want to have a central repo of functions and classes to use, I have to include the entire file just to get at one function (or embed each function in a different file which sucks just as badly). Yuck! If I want a database connection, I have to include a file to get it. Yuck. Interestingly enough, I did write a quick little framework that works very similar to Turbine and has the same concept of users/roles/permissions. =) There's several more things...I just always remember that PHP used to stand for Personal Home Page =) Which is when I originally started using it (pre 1.0 days). =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
on 2002/10/8 3:39 PM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is surprising that a Java expert with monumental contributions to this community would not use Java technology to create his website. Is this a case of do as I say, not as I do? Of course one is free to try new approaches but the anecdote is still quite telling. Java is not the fastest technology to develop in, however, it produces the best code for the long term. PHP is the fastest technology to develop in, however, it produces the crappiest code for the long term. I develop Scarab in Java because it is going to live far longer than I do and needs a solid base to work from. I develop my bar's website in PHP because I just needed to get the job done quickly and was not concerned with code quality. I could have used JSP to develop the site and considered that for about 2 seconds and then puked. I would use ASP or PHP LONG before I would even go there with JSP. Personally, I think taglibs are stupid. XML IS NOT A PROGAMMING LANGUAGE. Cool-looking site by the way. Thanks! And you can only see a small portion of it since the rest is protected by login. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
Actually, yes.
Here is the specific reason(s):
http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd-saying-hello.html
Most specifically, if you want to make the word doesn't in the example
below bold...now, you have embedded HTML into your println...and we know it
isn't MVC to embed HTML into Java code, right?
#if ($foo)
Andy bdoesn't/b think its good
#end
Of course I wrote the YMTD document so that we don't have to have these same
discussions over and over again.
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on 2002/10/7 5:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And to resurface the old issue, this is so much worse than
#if (..)
#end
in Velocity...?
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Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/10/2002 09:50:15 AM:
Right...my problem with JSP isn't its dogged speed its the conceptual
nastiness of it.
%
if (you.have(this).in.your(html)) {
out.println(Andy doesn't think its good);
}
%
-Andy
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Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
on 2002/10/7 5:21 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JSPs are the root of all evil because HTMLers think to have the power (and obligation, after a while) to blatantly destroy your entire container in less than 2 minutes of uptime... To that respect, even ASP are better... Pier It is so nice to hear you say that finally Pier. =) -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
on 2002/10/7 5:41 PM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, I know Velocity fans won't like this any better, but if you bring
the JSP example on that page up to date, using JSTL, you'll have this:
c:choose
c:when test=${empty param.name}
Hello World
/c:when
c:otherwise
Hello, c:out value=${param.name}/
/c:otherwise
/c:choose
I dunno about you, but I would much rather teach my non-programmer designers
to type:
#if ($foo)
Hello, $foo
#else
Hello World
#end
Than the bunch of pseudo XML programming language junk you quoted
above...ouch, my hands hurt just looking at that...oh wait, people are
supposed to use GUI drag and drop for all of that stuff...yea...right...
Oh yea, should I mention that Velocity syntax has remained unchanged since
it was first released as 1.0 (back in April 2001)? I wonder how many times
JSP/JSTL/Struts/FooBar syntax will need to be brought 'up to date'...
WAKE UP PEOPLE.
-jon
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Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
on 2002/10/7 6:56 PM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You mean this, taken from the page, don't you?
html
headtitleHello/title/head
body
h1
#if ($request.getParameter(name) == null)
Hello World
#else
Hello, $request.getParameter(name)
#end
/h1
/body/html
At least if you're using JSP/JSTL, you don't have to explain method calls to
your non-programmer designers.
The above could just as easily be written as:
html
headtitleHello/title/head
body
h1
#if (!$name)
Hello World
#else
Hello, $name
#end
/h1
/body/html
No method calls. Let's see how easy you can make the JSTL equivalent.
I see no syntax changes, only new tags and attributes.
Actually, the syntax changed quite a lot...a simple if statement went from
a single element (which made no sense) to a multiple element syntax (clearly
to support what XSLT doeswhich IMHO only complicates things even further
because XSLT is even further above what most designers understand...):
from:
logic:notPresent parameter=name
to:
c:choose
c:when test=${empty param.name}
What does c stand for? Oh wait...explain that to your designers. Also, I
believe you forgot a bunch of other junk that you have to put at the top of
the file or in configuration files to configure what c means anyway.
It is quite funny to me to see you try to justify something that is
obviously more difficult to understand and write.
-jon
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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
on 7/18/02 1:44 PM, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's nothing wrong with JSP. Those that bash it are those who clearly have no understanding of it. That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Here is a great picture of a JSP user: http://whichever.com/headupass.gif =) -jon http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
on 7/17/02 11:21 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROTFL BTW, nice touch that photo! =;o) Have fun, Paulo http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html Amazing what a symlink can do. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
on 7/17/02 3:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't think Jon should be the mascot somehow? I am the mascot... every time I post the idiot.html link...someone (usually you) goes and posts the jon.html link and everyone goes in circles again...it is quite funny...people get more of a reaction of just the fact that I post the link than anything. You guys should get out more often. Come down to my club (http://studioz.tv) and I will buy you a drink or something...maybe that will calm your nerves... -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
on 7/17/02 3:43 PM, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
on 7/16/02 5:33 PM, Vishal Pahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All: I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet The same fails if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping Notice that I do not have 8080 in there. I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific to make this work? Like create a special web apps or something? Thanks in advance --Vish http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html Cheers and Love, -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new look
on 6/27/02 12:15 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm hoping that an aspect of maven will focus on dealing with collections of projects at some point. creating a top level site for them, grouping documentation. http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/ I see a list of 9 subprojects in the grey bar under the logo's... If it can be nice and recursive, then it could create a nice automated system with a common look and feel. I guess a lot of that is really xdoc and not maven. That would be nice. agreed, however the idea of announced sessions is quite cool. Rather than just a talk on the turbine framework, it could focus on things like: Tomcat 5 released, come learn about this new release and what it gives you. Maven 1.0 out, why you should use it. or just question and answer sessions. Personally, I would rather see developers writing code not spending all their time in IRC with silly conversation...=) Nice thing about email is that you can do it on your time where IRC is live and people tend to banter...not a bad thing...just that it seems like a waste of time for this group...where the sun thing is a marketing tool... -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Interesting quote....
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=77e=1cid=77u=/mc/200206 14/tc_mc/andreessen_interview__browser_wars_aren_t_coming_back My attitude is, everybody should try competing with Microsoft once in their life. Once. -- Marc Andreessen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCH] new James version numbers for binindex and srcindex
on 5/30/02 3:26 AM, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please could someone with Karma apply the patch below to update binindex and srcindex to reflect new James release version number, for xdocs and HTML. TIA. d. Nope. Your patch(es) is badly line wrapped. Is there some reason why you can't apply the patch yourself (or request commit access)? -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: funny business with jakarta-site2
I'm not really sure what your problem is...but I noticed another problem which is that your umask is wrong. You need to set it to 002 Fix your umask and do this... chmod -R g+w /www/jakarta.apache.org/site -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
on 5/29/02 7:23 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to me the point that Pier was trying to get accross that I agreed with is that there is sometimes work that happens outside of CVS worthy of committership (and/or that should require committership) irrelevant of CVS access. Yea, like that code that will auto-format your code on checkin that you threatened to write a month or so ago... ;-) -jon (still waiting) stevens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
on 5/29/02 1:47 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got shot down by the POI community. Sounds like a common thread, eh? ;-) -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
on 5/29/02 4:53 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Husted wrote: I believe the fundamental principal behind our system is Them that does the work makes the decisions. +1 I believe a secondary principal behind our system is Thanks for volunteering. +1 - Sam Ruby I can't agree more. Babble all day long about random crap, but when it comes down to it, it is the people who actually do the work that make the decisions. I have proven this time and time again. Strong case in pointthe jakarta.apache.org and www.apache.org websites are built with Anakianot that XSLT crap. ;-) -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
on 5/28/02 12:12 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Since committing is voting, what I think what some people want is a non-vetoing Committer. I think 'some people' don't see/don't agree to the committing is voting, and then what they want is a Developer-with-CVS-access, which is more or less what they said. Committing is voting is not reflected in our guidelines (at least I couldn't find such a notion). In projects like http://httpd.apache.org/dev/guidelines.html, any impleementation of an idea (as opposed to a simple patch) must be review-then-comment. In most Jakarta subprojects, the norm is lazy consensus as defined in http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html. So, think of a commit as the first (any typically only) +1 most changes get. Someone to do the work without sharing in the responsibility. sounds like what we call developer in our guidelines ;) A developer can suggest a change. A committer can make it happen. - Sam Ruby Anyone can suggest a change. A developer can submit a patch. A committer can make it happen. ;-) -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: You guys are so funny.
on 5/2/02 10:38 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's everything you need to know to build Ant: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/~checkout~/jakarta-ant/build.xml I guess there is no need to build a maven descriptor for Ant then? Sorry, but it is not that simple. - Sam Ruby Maven is more than just a build system. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: You guys are so funny.
on 5/3/02 4:08 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simple example: given an Scarab's build.xml file, can you write a DVSL which extracts the name of the jar which can be produced? - Sam Ruby Yes, cause I can just put a simple object 'java.util.Properties' into the context which gets it out of the default.properties file. :-) -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maven is growing
Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?). Berin posted this: Despite my comments on General@, I really like what maven offers. There are some things that I would like to have in Maven or Centipede, so I guess the best thing is to lend a hand. I have limited time, so I will start with participating on the dev list. If I can manage code patches I will send them here. Sam is also on the list and participating. :-) Ecce (Said in the voice of Mr. Burns from the Simpsons) :-) Come join the madness. Let's get all of our projects running under Maven...just like we originally got all of our projects running under Ant (I was one of the first people who created a build.xml when Ant was released as OSS). Let's get a world where all I have to do is type 'ant' to build *every* project and not have to worry about finding/building/installing dependencies. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: You guys are so funny.
on 5/3/02 9:57 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you point out where the jar name is in the scarab/build/default.properties file? - Sam Ruby In Velocity/DVSL, it would be built something like this (assuming a java.util.Properties in the context as props: $props.getString(project)-$props.getString(version).jar -jon -- Nixon: At least with liquor, I don't lose motivation. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apple. Re: You guys are so funny.
on 5/3/02 10:04 AM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care about Apple users and that Apple can't supply the time to support Java users. Well duh. Apple's business model doesn't revolve around Java. Apple are doing a great job, but JAI, J3D, J2ME, J2EE, Jblahblah and all the other Sun released APIs which have native parts (J2EE deployer does I think) are not available yet. Sun's basic response is to talk to Apple, Apple's is: We'll get around to it, it's a lot to do. I personally try to ignore the native parts simply because that isn't in the spirit of Java IMHO. What I care about is the implementations of the JDK's. I want JDK 1.4. I know Apple is working on it. Sun are taking most of the flak it seems. It is that great flaming fireball in the sky and most of the time they deserve it. :-) I wonder what a survey of Jakarta developers coding environments would show. If Sun were to discover that 40% of Jakarta committers prefer OS X, would that change their opinion etc? Remember, they are the center of the universe. :-) Or is it a, Yeah, but we care more about the majority of users, ie) newbies. The FreeBSD port was the overwhelming #1 feature request for a LONG time. Sun ignored it and even made it difficult to get the port done. I can see a good reason for not supporting J2EE well on a Mac. Until Apple release a 1U OS X server there's not much point, but the rest are a shame. Moot point. There are after market cases for 1U servers... -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
