RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-19 Thread Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro

Hi Andrew,

 -Mensaje original-
 De: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Enviado el: viernes 19 de julio de 2002 0:10
 Para: Jakarta General List
 Asunto: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
 
 Live in your happy little world, and if you're happy putting out that 
 sludge go for it.  When your skills progress and
 you'd like to create object oriented software (even in a web app) and 
 cleanly seperate your logic and content in
 a web application that is maintainable under time, perhaps 
 you'll look 
 up a more advanced framework and grow to
 find the failings in JSP.

That is condescending and paternal. I like it! ;)
 
 -Andy
 
 JSP = Java's Super PERL! :-)

Your comment is right on target. You seem to be in the right object-oriented
state of mind. When your skills progress, after you have helped create a
couple of webapp frameworks, and bashed JSPs to death on every occasion: you
will end up using PHP despite it being fugly because
[...] you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time
[...]

Sheesh!

Alex.
 
 
 
 James Mitchell
 Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
 Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network
 http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
 
 
 
 
   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM
 To: Jakarta General List
 Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
 
 
 But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that 
 other than POI
 and HTTPD there was only actually
 one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented
 different ways and that JSP had the
 structure of a dog turned inside out...  I was so proud of 
 that...how
 mean of you all not to respond :-(
 
 ;-)
 
 -Andy
 
 Leo Simons wrote:
 
 
 
 Is that site generated by maven ? ;))
 
 Mvgr,
 Martin
 
 
   
 
 Anakia
 
 I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files 
 which are then
 processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even
 
 
 using Anakia
 
 
 and just using PHP.
 
 PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design
 
 
 ever, but you can
 
 
 get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there
 
 
 is no way in
 
 
 hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.
 
 =)
 
 
 
 
 yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
 better than velocity!!!
 
 :P
 
 - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw 
 all those
 e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing
 jon...
 
 
 
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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-19 Thread Leo Simons

I didn't reply because I know POI is just one of microsoft's ploys to
bring java to its knees. The idea behind this scheme is to bring the
worsts bits of their own software to java, promote it using massive FUD
(your recent e-mail proof of this, as is JSP), then improve their own
software, and finally block java from windows all together stating as
reason that it contains lots of crappy stuff like POI.

You, of course, secretly work for microsoft and were specifically hired
to start this dirty game.

I was going to keep silent (as you sent me quite a few of micro$oft $$
to do so), but since you now asked for it specifically, I feel obliged
to share this valuable and dangerous knowledge with the jakarta
community.

best regards,

- Leo Simons

PS: I will be moving house and country 2 minutes after I send this
message, have transferred all my funds to Swiss banks, am undergoing a
sex change tomorrow and have contacted the MIB to erase my identity, so
do not try and track me to let me pay for bringing this news out into
the world. I have also taken the precaution of killing all my family and
friends so you have no way to blackmail me.

;)

On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 22:10, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
 But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI 
 and HTTPD there was only actually
 one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented 
 different ways and that JSP had the
 structure of a dog turned inside out...  I was so proud of that...how 
 mean of you all not to respond :-(
 
 ;-)
 
 -Andy



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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote:

Hi Andrew,

  



That is condescending and paternal. I like it! ;)

;-) I stole his tone from him.

  

-Andy

JSP = Java's Super PERL! :-)



Your comment is right on target. You seem to be in the right object-oriented
state of mind. When your skills progress, after you have helped create a
couple of webapp frameworks, and bashed JSPs to death on every occasion: you
will end up using PHP despite it being fugly because
[...] you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time
[...]
  

Initial development costs are  1/3 of the overall cost of a project. 
 Once you've been stuck maintaining a few of those
nasty beasts you create in PHP you'll move on to want something else and 
be very appologetic to everyone you
pumped that crud out for.  I've full confidence that one day a smart guy 
like you will abandon the right is wrong principal.
:-) ;-)

-Andy

Sheesh!

Alex.
  

James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network
http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta




 

  

-Original Message-
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???


But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that 


other than POI


and HTTPD there was only actually
one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented
different ways and that JSP had the
structure of a dog turned inside out...  I was so proud of 


that...how


mean of you all not to respond :-(

;-)

-Andy

Leo Simons wrote:

   



Is that site generated by maven ? ;))

Mvgr,
Martin


 

  

Anakia

I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files 


which are then


processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even
   



using Anakia
   



and just using PHP.

PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design
   



ever, but you can
   



get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there
   



is no way in
   



hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.

=)


   



yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
better than velocity!!!

:P

- Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw 
  

all those


e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing
jon...



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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

Leo Simons wrote:

I didn't reply because I know POI is just one of microsoft's ploys to
bring java to its knees. The idea behind this scheme is to bring the
worsts bits of their own software to java, promote it using massive FUD
(your recent e-mail proof of this, as is JSP), then improve their own
software, and finally block java from windows all together stating as
reason that it contains lots of crappy stuff like POI.
  

LOL!  :-D -  Yes soon everyone will encode everything as a OLE 2 CDF 
Document.  You know
POI stands for Poor Obfuscation Implmentation

You, of course, secretly work for microsoft and were specifically hired
to start this dirty game.
  

Oh yes... The other day when I was standing next to Bill on Steve's 
yacht, I said How can we bring
Java to its knees? and after a bit Steve snapped his fingers, raised 
arms so we could see those
sweaty pits and said Developers Developers Developers... . Bill 
interperated this for me as Why
not port OLE 2 Compound Document Fromat to Java under the guise of 
breaking our monopoly
on file formats while secretly getting everyone to use them

And I bowed down and said I'm not worthy and here I am..  You all fell 
for it too!  Just wait!  Soon
we will embrace and extend Java.  Tomcat will require you to edit the 
config files with Microsoft Word
(but it will finally use Avalon with 10 layers of inheritance behind 
every class like Cocoon)...  

I was going to keep silent (as you sent me quite a few of micro$oft $$
to do so), but since you now asked for it specifically, I feel obliged
to share this valuable and dangerous knowledge with the jakarta
community.

best regards,

- Leo Simons

PS: I will be moving house and country 2 minutes after I send this
message, have transferred all my funds to Swiss banks, am undergoing a
sex change tomorrow and have contacted the MIB to erase my identity, so
do not try and track me to let me pay for bringing this news out into
the world. I have also taken the precaution of killing all my family and
friends so you have no way to blackmail me.
  

But Leo!  You didn't realize?  All of Jakarta is in on it!  Jon even! 
 He's writing a new framework based on
turbine that requires to to view all pages in MS Word.  It even 
integrates with Jetspeed to create an
MSWordPortal.

-Andy

-Andy

;)

On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 22:10, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
  

But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI 
and HTTPD there was only actually
one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented 
different ways and that JSP had the
structure of a dog turned inside out...  I was so proud of that...how 
mean of you all not to respond :-(

;-)

-Andy





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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-19 Thread Stephane Bailliez

 -Original Message-
 From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

[...]
 the world. I have also taken the precaution of killing all my 
 family and friends so you have no way to blackmail me.

Are you by any chance a relative of Kaiser Soze ? ;-)

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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-19 Thread Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro

Hi Andy!

 -Mensaje original-
 De: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Enviado el: viernes 19 de julio de 2002 13:28
 Para: Jakarta General List
 Asunto: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
 
 Initial development costs are  1/3 of the overall cost of a project. 
  Once you've been stuck maintaining a few of those
 nasty beasts you create in PHP you'll move on to want 
 something else and 
 be very appologetic to everyone you
 pumped that crud out for.  I've full confidence that one day 
 a smart guy 
 like you will abandon the right is wrong principal.
 :-) ;-)

What? And lose my 10-minute investment in learning PHP? No way!

Besides, now I can have fun a whole weekend, just changing the name of a
field in the database. My life would seem empty in comparison, if I got to
use those pesky frameworks that do everything for you.

(Never thought one day I would get to pull Jon's leg. Hey folks, it's a
great sensation! I feel important!)

:)

Alex.

 -Andy



RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-19 Thread Martin van den Bemt

He is just the first dutch serial killer on the  loose ;))

Mvgr,
Martin

On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 13:57, Stephane Bailliez wrote:
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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver



What? And lose my 10-minute investment in learning PHP? No way!

Besides, now I can have fun a whole weekend, just changing the name of a
field in the database. My life would seem empty in comparison, if I got to
use those pesky frameworks that do everything for you.

(Never thought one day I would get to pull Jon's leg. Hey folks, it's a
great sensation! I feel important!)
  

Just make sure thatoh nevermind... :-)

Then you should really try ASP!  Its great!  Not only do you have the 
quick development, quick learning time, but
you can also play with COM components and DLLs and stuff.  

COM programming with ASP is the ultimate maintenance rush.  Microsoft 
should be applauded for it.  

I think we should drop the Maven and Centipede thing and just redo the 
Jakarta site using ASP.  I volunteer you
Alex to maintain it.  :-)

-Andy

:)

Alex.

  

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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread AManns


I have a question.  It seems that you all kinda know each other. Where is
everyone located?

Aaron


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

Andy FAQ:

http://www.trilug.org/~acoliver/

-Andy

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I have a question.  It seems that you all kinda know each other. Where is
everyone located?

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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt

Teteringen, The Netherlands (ask the Turbine list how it is there ;)

Mvgr,
Martin

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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Leo Simons

  Is that site generated by maven ? ;))
  
  Mvgr,
  Martin
 
 Anakia
 
 I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then
 processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia
 and just using PHP.
 
 PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can
 get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in
 hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.
 
 =)

yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
better than velocity!!!

:P

- Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those
e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing
jon...



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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI 
and HTTPD there was only actually
one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented 
different ways and that JSP had the
structure of a dog turned inside out...  I was so proud of that...how 
mean of you all not to respond :-(

;-)

-Andy

Leo Simons wrote:

Is that site generated by maven ? ;))

Mvgr,
Martin
  

Anakia

I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then
processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia
and just using PHP.

PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can
get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in
hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.

=)



yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
better than velocity!!!

:P

- Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those
e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing
jon...



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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread John Thorhauer

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 20:42, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
 
 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html

This .wav could perhaps add to the effect that you are trying to get
across:

http://151.200.3.8/~vze29k6v/idiot.wav

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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread James Mitchell

Ok. Here's my response.

There's nothing wrong with JSP.  Those that bash it are those who clearly
have no understanding of it.
These same people have usually tried to use it at one time, but became
frustrated by their own lack of knowledge in web application development and
now think its easier to say 'it just sucks man' than try to learn something.

Or worse, before they come to that conclusion some idiot comes along and
tries to help them with their jsp skills.and what you're left with is a
tremendous hack, equivalent to the 15,000 line class.everything is in
main

When it comes to developing web applications, where (along the way) did
people forget that http is just a friggin 'document requesting' protocol?

If it were a play, it might go something like this

User   Server
   --
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go


Now hack away at this and try to make an application somehow.  JSP was
simply a natural progression from static html. (DUH!)

I think that learning Velocity or any other framework (besides Struts) would
be a waste of MY time, but I don't go a around vomiting my negative opinions
on developer lists. (well, until now ;)



James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network
http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta




 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM
 To: Jakarta General List
 Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???


 But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI
 and HTTPD there was only actually
 one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented
 different ways and that JSP had the
 structure of a dog turned inside out...  I was so proud of that...how
 mean of you all not to respond :-(

 ;-)

 -Andy

 Leo Simons wrote:

 Is that site generated by maven ? ;))
 
 Mvgr,
 Martin
 
 
 Anakia
 
 I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then
 processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even
 using Anakia
 and just using PHP.
 
 PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design
 ever, but you can
 get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there
 is no way in
 hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.
 
 =)
 
 
 
 yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
 better than velocity!!!
 
 :P
 
 - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those
 e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing
 jon...
 
 
 
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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.

On 7/18/02 4:04 PM, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is that site generated by maven ? ;))
 
 Mvgr,
 Martin
 
 Anakia
 
 I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then
 processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia
 and just using PHP.
 
 PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can
 get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in
 hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.
 
 =)
 
 yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
 better than velocity!!!
 
 :P
 
 - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those
 e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing
 jon...

geir goes to find his matches... The flamethrower's pilot went out...

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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.

On 7/18/02 4:44 PM, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[SNIP]

I don't want to get into a flamefest about this, but I can't resist
correcting two things :

 
 
 Now hack away at this and try to make an application somehow.  JSP was
 simply a natural progression from static html. (DUH!)

putting on asbestos shorts
Wasn't it a competitive response to ASP?
/putting on asbestos shorts
 
 I think that learning Velocity or any other framework (besides Struts) would
 be a waste of MY time, but I don't go a around vomiting my negative opinions
 on developer lists. (well, until now ;)

Velocity isn't a web app framework.  It's a template engine that works well
as a view layer in web applications.

There are lots of frameworks that use Velocity for it's view, including but
not limited to Turbine, WebWork, Maverick, Melati, Jpublish, and
ActionServlet. 

It works just fine with Struts - come see what you can do with Velocity and
Struts.  Even if we don't convert you to the One True Way ®(sm) :) you will
at least stop comparing apples and oranges.

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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Jon Scott Stevens

on 7/18/02 1:44 PM, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There's nothing wrong with JSP.  Those that bash it are those who clearly
 have no understanding of it.

That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Here is a great
picture of a JSP user:

  http://whichever.com/headupass.gif

=)

-jon

http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd.html


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

James Mitchell wrote:

Ok. Here's my response.

There's nothing wrong with JSP.  Those that bash it are those who clearly
have no understanding of it.
These same people have usually tried to use it at one time, but became
frustrated by their own lack of knowledge in web application development and
now think its easier to say 'it just sucks man' than try to learn something.
  

I've delivered many applications with JSP and even a couple with struts. 
 I also have written several
*gasp* ASP applications.  JSP is a right is wrong and wrong is right 
approach.  You can work real hard,
use taglibs and cleanly structure an application in JSP.  However, it 
better supports the ball of mud pattern.

Secondly, any application written in JSP which has short deadlines and 
multiple developers with varying skill
levels will eventually degrade to its natural order.  (big monolithic 
cobol like pages)

Most of the time when I worked in JSP, half of my time was spent 
refactoring code from other developers whom
wrote natural JSP.

Or worse, before they come to that conclusion some idiot comes along and
tries to help them with their jsp skills.and what you're left with is a
tremendous hack, equivalent to the 15,000 line class.everything is in
main
  

My typical application was generally MVC based, generally using a 
servlet as a controller.  

JSP --- IS --- a temendously bad hack.  

When it comes to developing web applications, where (along the way) did
people forget that http is just a friggin 'document requesting' protocol?
  

I fail to see the connection?

If it were a play, it might go something like this

User   Server
   --
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go
I need this file Here you go


Now hack away at this and try to make an application somehow.  JSP was
simply a natural progression from static html. (DUH!)
  

No ASP was simply the natural progression from *SAPI which was the 
natural progression from CGI which
was the natural progression from static HTML.   JSP was the answer to 
ASP, initially barely more than ASP
 using Java.  Also in the early days of JSPs the main commercial 
implementation Netscape Application Server and you needed to touch' 
them regularly.

I think that learning Velocity or any other framework (besides Struts) would
be a waste of MY time, but I don't go a around vomiting my negative opinions
on developer lists. (ell, until now ;)


For the record, I started with JSP before it was out of beta, and didn't 
like it then.  I thought taglibs were a great
improvement but it was again insufficent.

  

Struts is great, don't get me wrong.  I was very pleased when it 
matured, its the best way to do the wrong thing.  Many times
thats the best you can do as a $oftware developer.

Live in your happy little world, and if you're happy putting out that 
sludge go for it.  When your skills progress and
you'd like to create object oriented software (even in a web app) and 
cleanly seperate your logic and content in
a web application that is maintainable under time, perhaps you'll look 
up a more advanced framework and grow to
find the failings in JSP.

-Andy

JSP = Java's Super PERL! :-)



James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network
http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta




  

-Original Message-
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???


But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI
and HTTPD there was only actually
one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented
different ways and that JSP had the
structure of a dog turned inside out...  I was so proud of that...how
mean of you all not to respond :-(

;-)

-Andy

Leo Simons wrote:



Is that site generated by maven ? ;))

Mvgr,
Martin


  

Anakia

I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then
processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even


using Anakia


and just using PHP.

PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design


ever, but you can


get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there


is no way in


hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.

=)




yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
better than velocity!!!

:P

- Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those
e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing
jon...



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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.

On 7/18/02 6:11 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 It works just fine with Struts - come see what you can do with Velocity and
 Struts.  Even if we don't convert you to the One True Way ?®(sm) :) you will
 at least stop comparing apples and oranges.
 
  
 
 You mean PHP right? :-)
 

ASP.NET.COM.ORG

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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Paulo Gaspar

 yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
 better than velocity!!!

From the problems we are having with Smarty, it does not seem good 
enough even for a Alpha release.
=:oP


Have fun,
Paulo


 -Original Message-
 From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:04 PM
 To: Jakarta General List
 Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
 
 
   Is that site generated by maven ? ;))
   
   Mvgr,
   Martin
  
  Anakia
  
  I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then
  processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even 
 using Anakia
  and just using PHP.
  
  PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design 
 ever, but you can
  get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there 
 is no way in
  hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.
  
  =)
 
 yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way*
 better than velocity!!!
 
 :P
 
 - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those
 e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing
 jon...
 
 



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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver



You mean PHP right? :-)

  


ASP.NET.COM.ORG

  

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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread AManns


You  would have to set up an AJP connector to get rid of the explicit 8080
port declaration.  and you will also have to do servlet mapping in the
web.xml file on tomcat ro remove the com.esri.esrimap from
com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap

there is a good how-to on jakarta's website for the ajp connector.

do something similar in your web.xml file for the mapping

servlet
servlet-nameRsAssignStationServlet/servlet-name

servlet-classcom.uss.irv.rollshop.RsAssignStationServlet/servlet-class
   /servlet
servlet-mapping
servlet-nameRsAssignStationServlet/servlet-name
url-pattern/abm/servlet/RsAssignStationServlet/url-pattern
   /servlet-mapping


hope this helps

Aaron




   
  
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on 7/16/02 5:33 PM, Vishal Pahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 All:

 I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the
 URL
http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping
 where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet
 The same fails if I type in following in the URL
 http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping
 Notice that I do not have 8080 in there.
 I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific
to
 make this work? Like create a special web apps or something?
 Thanks in advance
 --Vish

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html

Cheers and Love,

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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread AManns


  PS.

I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because there
is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort
refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them out
and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the
proper list.  Can't we all just get along???

Vish,
not everybody is a pompous, arrogant, self-serving angry little programmer.
some of us do like to help.  even if you do post to the wrong list.  I know
what its like looking for help and not gettting.




   
  
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Stevens  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
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com Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs 
localhost??? 
   
  
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PM 
  
Please respond 
  
to Jakarta 
  
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on 7/16/02 5:33 PM, Vishal Pahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 All:

 I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the
 URL
http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping
 where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet
 The same fails if I type in following in the URL
 http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping
 Notice that I do not have 8080 in there.
 I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific
to
 make this work? Like create a special web apps or something?
 Thanks in advance
 --Vish

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html

Cheers and Love,

-jon


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread James Taylor

 I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because there
 is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort
 refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them out

But the idiot page takes almost no effort at all. That's why it is so
great, you can even setup a macro in your mailer to reply with that URL
as a message, when you, say, see something that is not only on the wrong
list, but is WELL addressed in documentation, FAQs, HOW-TOs mailing list
archives, and all that...

 and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the
 proper list.  Can't we all just get along???

My guess would be: no.


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Ollie

You could also set up a macro to be civil !

- Original Message -
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To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???


  I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because
there
  is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort
  refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them
out

 But the idiot page takes almost no effort at all. That's why it is so
 great, you can even setup a macro in your mailer to reply with that URL
 as a message, when you, say, see something that is not only on the wrong
 list, but is WELL addressed in documentation, FAQs, HOW-TOs mailing list
 archives, and all that...

  and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the
  proper list.  Can't we all just get along???

 My guess would be: no.


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

While Jon has a wonderful way of greating newcomers and encouraging 
their participation in the community, the
sentimant is not entirely off base as there is a big nice page that 
preceeds the page with the list of email addresses that
one basically has to read.  It is a wonder how one can miss it.  (though 
IMHO it suffers from big block of text syndrome)

That being said there is a page on Jon as well that has been dilluted by 
the picture on it but the information is still good:

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html

-Andy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  PS.

I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because there
is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort
refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them out
and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the
proper list.  Can't we all just get along???

Vish,
not everybody is a pompous, arrogant, self-serving angry little programmer.
some of us do like to help.  even if you do post to the wrong list.  I know
what its like looking for help and not gettting.




  
   
Jon Scott 
   
Stevens  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
jon@latchkey.   cc:  
   
com Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs 
localhost??? 
  
   
07/16/02 08:42
   
PM
   
Please respond
   
to Jakarta
   
General List  
   
  
   
  
   




on 7/16/02 5:33 PM, Vishal Pahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

All:

I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the
URL


http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping
  

where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet
The same fails if I type in following in the URL
http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping
Notice that I do not have 8080 in there.
I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific


to
  

make this work? Like create a special web apps or something?
Thanks in advance
--Vish



http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html

Cheers and Love,

-jon


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Henri Yandell

The Jon page completely ignores the concept of a Jakarta project to build
a set of protocols under which Jon can act so as to avoid causing riots in
first world countries. I would like to propose this as a top level Jakarta
project and fully believe its mail list will receive more noise than any
other.

The first steps should be to a) Review every Apache mail list discussion
concerning Jon, and b) setting up some code to make sure Jon stays
subscribed to the list itself.

In fact, maybe before a) happens we should be getting some more powerful
mail list servers, just in case.

Hen

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

 While Jon has a wonderful way of greating newcomers and encouraging
 their participation in the community, the
 sentimant is not entirely off base as there is a big nice page that
 preceeds the page with the list of email addresses that
 one basically has to read.  It is a wonder how one can miss it.  (though
 IMHO it suffers from big block of text syndrome)

 That being said there is a page on Jon as well that has been dilluted by
 the picture on it but the information is still good:

 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html

 -Andy

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   PS.
 
 I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because there
 is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort
 refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them out
 and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the
 proper list.  Can't we all just get along???
 
 Vish,
 not everybody is a pompous, arrogant, self-serving angry little programmer.
 some of us do like to help.  even if you do post to the wrong list.  I know
 what its like looking for help and not gettting.


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Pier Fumagalli

Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [...] we should be getting some more powerful mail list servers, just in case.

Not needed. Trust me.

Pier (the mail master)


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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Paulo Gaspar

ROTFL

BTW, nice touch that photo!
=;o)

Have fun,
Paulo

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:13 PM
 To: Jakarta General List
 Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
 
 
 Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  [...] we should be getting some more powerful mail list 
 servers, just in case.
 
 Not needed. Trust me.
 
 Pier (the mail master)
 
 
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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Jon Scott Stevens

on 7/17/02 11:21 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ROTFL
 
 BTW, nice touch that photo!
 =;o)
 
 Have fun,
 Paulo

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html

Amazing what a symlink can do.

-jon


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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Paulo Gaspar

 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html

With a file name like this, I miss a pink hearts background.

Does anyone have one of those to contribute?


Have fun,
Paulo

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:03 PM
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 Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
 
 
 on 7/17/02 11:21 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  ROTFL
  
  BTW, nice touch that photo!
  =;o)
  
  Have fun,
  Paulo
 
 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html
 
 Amazing what a symlink can do.
 
 -jon
 
 
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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Danny Angus

 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html
 
 Amazing what a symlink can do.

:D :D

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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

You don't think Jon should be the mascot somehow?

Paulo Gaspar wrote:

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html



With a file name like this, I miss a pink hearts background.

Does anyone have one of those to contribute?


Have fun,
Paulo

  

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on 7/17/02 11:21 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



ROTFL

BTW, nice touch that photo!
=;o)

Have fun,
Paulo
  

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html

Amazing what a symlink can do.

-jon


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Jon Scott Stevens

on 7/17/02 3:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You don't think Jon should be the mascot somehow?

I am the mascot... every time I post the idiot.html link...someone (usually
you) goes and posts the jon.html link and everyone goes in circles
again...it is quite funny...people get more of a reaction of just the fact
that I post the link than anything. You guys should get out more often. Come
down to my club (http://studioz.tv) and I will buy you a drink or
something...maybe that will calm your nerves...

-jon


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

Jon Scott Stevens wrote:

on 7/17/02 3:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

You don't think Jon should be the mascot somehow?



I am the mascot... every time I post the idiot.html link...someone (usually 

Yes I usually enjoy it.  Anyhow I was picturing you wearing some kinda 
hippy outfit giving a peace sign for the
love.html link ;-)

I myself have been guilty of sending the idiot link out a few times. 
 I'm starting to realize though that some of those
folks are coming in from news servers (which replicate the lists) and 
possibly not coming across the page.. .   

you) goes and posts the jon.html link and everyone goes in circles
again...it is quite funny...people get more of a reaction of just the fact
that I post the link than anything. You guys should get out more often. Come
down to my club (http://studioz.tv) and I will buy you a drink or
something...maybe that will calm your nerves...
  

hehe... buy me a plane ticket, I'll be there.  May be there (out there) 
for the Apachecon if I can swing it.
(One's perspective on economics is often swayed when one's neighbors all 
work for Nortel, Lucent, Ericsson and
dum da dum dum WORLDCOM).

-Andy

-jon


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Martin van den Bemt

Is that site generated by maven ? ;))

Mvgr,
Martin

On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 00:23, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
 on 7/17/02 3:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  You don't think Jon should be the mascot somehow?
 
 I am the mascot... every time I post the idiot.html link...someone (usually
 you) goes and posts the jon.html link and everyone goes in circles
 again...it is quite funny...people get more of a reaction of just the fact
 that I post the link than anything. You guys should get out more often. Come
 down to my club (http://studioz.tv) and I will buy you a drink or
 something...maybe that will calm your nerves...
 
 -jon
 
 
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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Jon Scott Stevens

on 7/17/02 3:43 PM, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is that site generated by maven ? ;))
 
 Mvgr,
 Martin

Anakia

I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then
processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia
and just using PHP.

PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can
get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in
hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.

=)

-jon


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Pier Fumagalli

Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html
 
 With a file name like this, I miss a pink hearts background.
 
 Does anyone have one of those to contribute?

Nope, but if it helps making him look better, I have a pic of Jon wearing a
pink ballerina dress...

(amazing what Halloween can do!)

Pier

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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Paulo Gaspar

And even better is there is a revenge:
 - Lots of pictures!

=:o)

Paulo

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 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:58 AM
 To: Jakarta General List
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 Tool late ;) We want to see that picture..
 
 Mvgr,
 Martin
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   on 7/17/02 4:30 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Pier, I have pictures of you that I can blackmail you with as 
 well...=)
  
  Okokokok :) I'll just shut up now! :) I swear I'm not going to do that
  anymore! :) :) :) :)
  
  Pier
  
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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Pier Fumagalli

Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And even better is there is a revenge:
 - Lots of pictures!

Being Jon one of my closest friends since _a_lot_, he has _a_lot_ of
compromising material on me... And not only pictures (aaarrrggghhh)

Pier (ducks for cover)

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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Martin van den Bemt

I don't think I want to imagine what the content may be..;))

Mvgr,
Martin

On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 02:14, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
 Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And even better is there is a revenge:
  - Lots of pictures!
 
 Being Jon one of my closest friends since _a_lot_, he has _a_lot_ of
 compromising material on me... And not only pictures (aaarrrggghhh)
 
 Pier (ducks for cover)
 
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RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-17 Thread Paulo Gaspar

 PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, 
 but you can
 get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there 
 is no way in
 hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.

Same here. I am starting to have stuff that must be done in PHP
too and those are exactly my thoughts.

But I still make weird stuff faster with my Java thing which
includes using Velocity + Pnuts.

(Pnuts is a Java based scripting language that can compile to Java
 bytecode on the fly:
   http://javacenter.sun.co.jp/pnuts/
)


Have fun,
Paulo

 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:52 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
 
 
 on 7/17/02 3:43 PM, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Is that site generated by maven ? ;))
  
  Mvgr,
  Martin
 
 Anakia
 
 I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then
 processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia
 and just using PHP.
 
 PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, 
 but you can
 get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there 
 is no way in
 hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP.
 
 =)
 
 -jon



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localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-16 Thread Vishal Pahuja

All: 

I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the
URL http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping 
where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet 
The same fails if I type in following in the URL
 http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping 
Notice that I do not have 8080 in there.
I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific to
make this work? Like create a special web apps or something? 
Thanks in advance 
--Vish 


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Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-16 Thread Jon Scott Stevens

on 7/16/02 5:33 PM, Vishal Pahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 All: 
 
 I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the
 URL http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping
 where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet
 The same fails if I type in following in the URL
 http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping
 Notice that I do not have 8080 in there.
 I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific to
 make this work? Like create a special web apps or something?
 Thanks in advance
 --Vish 

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html

Cheers and Love,

-jon


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