RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Hi Andrew, -Mensaje original- De: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: viernes 19 de julio de 2002 0:10 Para: Jakarta General List Asunto: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? Live in your happy little world, and if you're happy putting out that sludge go for it. When your skills progress and you'd like to create object oriented software (even in a web app) and cleanly seperate your logic and content in a web application that is maintainable under time, perhaps you'll look up a more advanced framework and grow to find the failings in JSP. That is condescending and paternal. I like it! ;) -Andy JSP = Java's Super PERL! :-) Your comment is right on target. You seem to be in the right object-oriented state of mind. When your skills progress, after you have helped create a couple of webapp frameworks, and bashed JSPs to death on every occasion: you will end up using PHP despite it being fugly because [...] you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time [...] Sheesh! Alex. James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI and HTTPD there was only actually one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented different ways and that JSP had the structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how mean of you all not to respond :-( ;-) -Andy Leo Simons wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
I didn't reply because I know POI is just one of microsoft's ploys to bring java to its knees. The idea behind this scheme is to bring the worsts bits of their own software to java, promote it using massive FUD (your recent e-mail proof of this, as is JSP), then improve their own software, and finally block java from windows all together stating as reason that it contains lots of crappy stuff like POI. You, of course, secretly work for microsoft and were specifically hired to start this dirty game. I was going to keep silent (as you sent me quite a few of micro$oft $$ to do so), but since you now asked for it specifically, I feel obliged to share this valuable and dangerous knowledge with the jakarta community. best regards, - Leo Simons PS: I will be moving house and country 2 minutes after I send this message, have transferred all my funds to Swiss banks, am undergoing a sex change tomorrow and have contacted the MIB to erase my identity, so do not try and track me to let me pay for bringing this news out into the world. I have also taken the precaution of killing all my family and friends so you have no way to blackmail me. ;) On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 22:10, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI and HTTPD there was only actually one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented different ways and that JSP had the structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how mean of you all not to respond :-( ;-) -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: Hi Andrew, That is condescending and paternal. I like it! ;) ;-) I stole his tone from him. -Andy JSP = Java's Super PERL! :-) Your comment is right on target. You seem to be in the right object-oriented state of mind. When your skills progress, after you have helped create a couple of webapp frameworks, and bashed JSPs to death on every occasion: you will end up using PHP despite it being fugly because [...] you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time [...] Initial development costs are 1/3 of the overall cost of a project. Once you've been stuck maintaining a few of those nasty beasts you create in PHP you'll move on to want something else and be very appologetic to everyone you pumped that crud out for. I've full confidence that one day a smart guy like you will abandon the right is wrong principal. :-) ;-) -Andy Sheesh! Alex. James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI and HTTPD there was only actually one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented different ways and that JSP had the structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how mean of you all not to respond :-( ;-) -Andy Leo Simons wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Leo Simons wrote: I didn't reply because I know POI is just one of microsoft's ploys to bring java to its knees. The idea behind this scheme is to bring the worsts bits of their own software to java, promote it using massive FUD (your recent e-mail proof of this, as is JSP), then improve their own software, and finally block java from windows all together stating as reason that it contains lots of crappy stuff like POI. LOL! :-D - Yes soon everyone will encode everything as a OLE 2 CDF Document. You know POI stands for Poor Obfuscation Implmentation You, of course, secretly work for microsoft and were specifically hired to start this dirty game. Oh yes... The other day when I was standing next to Bill on Steve's yacht, I said How can we bring Java to its knees? and after a bit Steve snapped his fingers, raised arms so we could see those sweaty pits and said Developers Developers Developers... . Bill interperated this for me as Why not port OLE 2 Compound Document Fromat to Java under the guise of breaking our monopoly on file formats while secretly getting everyone to use them And I bowed down and said I'm not worthy and here I am.. You all fell for it too! Just wait! Soon we will embrace and extend Java. Tomcat will require you to edit the config files with Microsoft Word (but it will finally use Avalon with 10 layers of inheritance behind every class like Cocoon)... I was going to keep silent (as you sent me quite a few of micro$oft $$ to do so), but since you now asked for it specifically, I feel obliged to share this valuable and dangerous knowledge with the jakarta community. best regards, - Leo Simons PS: I will be moving house and country 2 minutes after I send this message, have transferred all my funds to Swiss banks, am undergoing a sex change tomorrow and have contacted the MIB to erase my identity, so do not try and track me to let me pay for bringing this news out into the world. I have also taken the precaution of killing all my family and friends so you have no way to blackmail me. But Leo! You didn't realize? All of Jakarta is in on it! Jon even! He's writing a new framework based on turbine that requires to to view all pages in MS Word. It even integrates with Jetspeed to create an MSWordPortal. -Andy -Andy ;) On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 22:10, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI and HTTPD there was only actually one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented different ways and that JSP had the structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how mean of you all not to respond :-( ;-) -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
-Original Message- From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] the world. I have also taken the precaution of killing all my family and friends so you have no way to blackmail me. Are you by any chance a relative of Kaiser Soze ? ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Hi Andy! -Mensaje original- De: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: viernes 19 de julio de 2002 13:28 Para: Jakarta General List Asunto: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? Initial development costs are 1/3 of the overall cost of a project. Once you've been stuck maintaining a few of those nasty beasts you create in PHP you'll move on to want something else and be very appologetic to everyone you pumped that crud out for. I've full confidence that one day a smart guy like you will abandon the right is wrong principal. :-) ;-) What? And lose my 10-minute investment in learning PHP? No way! Besides, now I can have fun a whole weekend, just changing the name of a field in the database. My life would seem empty in comparison, if I got to use those pesky frameworks that do everything for you. (Never thought one day I would get to pull Jon's leg. Hey folks, it's a great sensation! I feel important!) :) Alex. -Andy
RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
He is just the first dutch serial killer on the loose ;)) Mvgr, Martin On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 13:57, Stephane Bailliez wrote: -Original Message- From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] the world. I have also taken the precaution of killing all my family and friends so you have no way to blackmail me. Are you by any chance a relative of Kaiser Soze ? ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
What? And lose my 10-minute investment in learning PHP? No way! Besides, now I can have fun a whole weekend, just changing the name of a field in the database. My life would seem empty in comparison, if I got to use those pesky frameworks that do everything for you. (Never thought one day I would get to pull Jon's leg. Hey folks, it's a great sensation! I feel important!) Just make sure thatoh nevermind... :-) Then you should really try ASP! Its great! Not only do you have the quick development, quick learning time, but you can also play with COM components and DLLs and stuff. COM programming with ASP is the ultimate maintenance rush. Microsoft should be applauded for it. I think we should drop the Maven and Centipede thing and just redo the Jakarta site using ASP. I volunteer you Alex to maintain it. :-) -Andy :) Alex. -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have a question. It seems that you all kinda know each other. Where is everyone located? Aaron -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Andy FAQ: http://www.trilug.org/~acoliver/ -Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question. It seems that you all kinda know each other. Where is everyone located? Aaron -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Teteringen, The Netherlands (ask the Turbine list how it is there ;) Mvgr, Martin On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 13:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question. It seems that you all kinda know each other. Where is everyone located? Aaron -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI and HTTPD there was only actually one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented different ways and that JSP had the structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how mean of you all not to respond :-( ;-) -Andy Leo Simons wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 20:42, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html This .wav could perhaps add to the effect that you are trying to get across: http://151.200.3.8/~vze29k6v/idiot.wav John -- ** John Thorhauer ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** take a look at: ** http://tambora.zenplex.org ** http://www.zenplex.org ** http://www.zenplex.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Ok. Here's my response. There's nothing wrong with JSP. Those that bash it are those who clearly have no understanding of it. These same people have usually tried to use it at one time, but became frustrated by their own lack of knowledge in web application development and now think its easier to say 'it just sucks man' than try to learn something. Or worse, before they come to that conclusion some idiot comes along and tries to help them with their jsp skills.and what you're left with is a tremendous hack, equivalent to the 15,000 line class.everything is in main When it comes to developing web applications, where (along the way) did people forget that http is just a friggin 'document requesting' protocol? If it were a play, it might go something like this User Server -- I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go Now hack away at this and try to make an application somehow. JSP was simply a natural progression from static html. (DUH!) I think that learning Velocity or any other framework (besides Struts) would be a waste of MY time, but I don't go a around vomiting my negative opinions on developer lists. (well, until now ;) James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI and HTTPD there was only actually one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented different ways and that JSP had the structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how mean of you all not to respond :-( ;-) -Andy Leo Simons wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
On 7/18/02 4:04 PM, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... geir goes to find his matches... The flamethrower's pilot went out... -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
On 7/18/02 4:44 PM, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] I don't want to get into a flamefest about this, but I can't resist correcting two things : Now hack away at this and try to make an application somehow. JSP was simply a natural progression from static html. (DUH!) putting on asbestos shorts Wasn't it a competitive response to ASP? /putting on asbestos shorts I think that learning Velocity or any other framework (besides Struts) would be a waste of MY time, but I don't go a around vomiting my negative opinions on developer lists. (well, until now ;) Velocity isn't a web app framework. It's a template engine that works well as a view layer in web applications. There are lots of frameworks that use Velocity for it's view, including but not limited to Turbine, WebWork, Maverick, Melati, Jpublish, and ActionServlet. It works just fine with Struts - come see what you can do with Velocity and Struts. Even if we don't convert you to the One True Way ®(sm) :) you will at least stop comparing apples and oranges. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 7/18/02 1:44 PM, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's nothing wrong with JSP. Those that bash it are those who clearly have no understanding of it. That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Here is a great picture of a JSP user: http://whichever.com/headupass.gif =) -jon http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
James Mitchell wrote: Ok. Here's my response. There's nothing wrong with JSP. Those that bash it are those who clearly have no understanding of it. These same people have usually tried to use it at one time, but became frustrated by their own lack of knowledge in web application development and now think its easier to say 'it just sucks man' than try to learn something. I've delivered many applications with JSP and even a couple with struts. I also have written several *gasp* ASP applications. JSP is a right is wrong and wrong is right approach. You can work real hard, use taglibs and cleanly structure an application in JSP. However, it better supports the ball of mud pattern. Secondly, any application written in JSP which has short deadlines and multiple developers with varying skill levels will eventually degrade to its natural order. (big monolithic cobol like pages) Most of the time when I worked in JSP, half of my time was spent refactoring code from other developers whom wrote natural JSP. Or worse, before they come to that conclusion some idiot comes along and tries to help them with their jsp skills.and what you're left with is a tremendous hack, equivalent to the 15,000 line class.everything is in main My typical application was generally MVC based, generally using a servlet as a controller. JSP --- IS --- a temendously bad hack. When it comes to developing web applications, where (along the way) did people forget that http is just a friggin 'document requesting' protocol? I fail to see the connection? If it were a play, it might go something like this User Server -- I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go I need this file Here you go Now hack away at this and try to make an application somehow. JSP was simply a natural progression from static html. (DUH!) No ASP was simply the natural progression from *SAPI which was the natural progression from CGI which was the natural progression from static HTML. JSP was the answer to ASP, initially barely more than ASP using Java. Also in the early days of JSPs the main commercial implementation Netscape Application Server and you needed to touch' them regularly. I think that learning Velocity or any other framework (besides Struts) would be a waste of MY time, but I don't go a around vomiting my negative opinions on developer lists. (ell, until now ;) For the record, I started with JSP before it was out of beta, and didn't like it then. I thought taglibs were a great improvement but it was again insufficent. Struts is great, don't get me wrong. I was very pleased when it matured, its the best way to do the wrong thing. Many times thats the best you can do as a $oftware developer. Live in your happy little world, and if you're happy putting out that sludge go for it. When your skills progress and you'd like to create object oriented software (even in a web app) and cleanly seperate your logic and content in a web application that is maintainable under time, perhaps you'll look up a more advanced framework and grow to find the failings in JSP. -Andy JSP = Java's Super PERL! :-) James Mitchell Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI and HTTPD there was only actually one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented different ways and that JSP had the structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how mean of you all not to respond :-( ;-) -Andy Leo Simons wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
On 7/18/02 6:11 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It works just fine with Struts - come see what you can do with Velocity and Struts. Even if we don't convert you to the One True Way ?®(sm) :) you will at least stop comparing apples and oranges. You mean PHP right? :-) ASP.NET.COM.ORG -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! From the problems we are having with Smarty, it does not seem good enough even for a Alpha release. =:oP Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:04 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) yeah. And it's got a template language called Smarty which is *way* better than velocity!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You mean PHP right? :-) ASP.NET.COM.ORG :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
You would have to set up an AJP connector to get rid of the explicit 8080 port declaration. and you will also have to do servlet mapping in the web.xml file on tomcat ro remove the com.esri.esrimap from com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap there is a good how-to on jakarta's website for the ajp connector. do something similar in your web.xml file for the mapping servlet servlet-nameRsAssignStationServlet/servlet-name servlet-classcom.uss.irv.rollshop.RsAssignStationServlet/servlet-class /servlet servlet-mapping servlet-nameRsAssignStationServlet/servlet-name url-pattern/abm/servlet/RsAssignStationServlet/url-pattern /servlet-mapping hope this helps Aaron Jon Scott Stevens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] jon@latchkey. cc: com Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? 07/16/02 08:42 PM Please respond to Jakarta General List on 7/16/02 5:33 PM, Vishal Pahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All: I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet The same fails if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping Notice that I do not have 8080 in there. I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific to make this work? Like create a special web apps or something? Thanks in advance --Vish http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html Cheers and Love, -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
PS. I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because there is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them out and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the proper list. Can't we all just get along??? Vish, not everybody is a pompous, arrogant, self-serving angry little programmer. some of us do like to help. even if you do post to the wrong list. I know what its like looking for help and not gettting. Jon Scott Stevens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] jon@latchkey. cc: com Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? 07/16/02 08:42 PM Please respond to Jakarta General List on 7/16/02 5:33 PM, Vishal Pahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All: I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet The same fails if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping Notice that I do not have 8080 in there. I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific to make this work? Like create a special web apps or something? Thanks in advance --Vish http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html Cheers and Love, -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because there is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them out But the idiot page takes almost no effort at all. That's why it is so great, you can even setup a macro in your mailer to reply with that URL as a message, when you, say, see something that is not only on the wrong list, but is WELL addressed in documentation, FAQs, HOW-TOs mailing list archives, and all that... and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the proper list. Can't we all just get along??? My guess would be: no. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You could also set up a macro to be civil ! - Original Message - From: James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because there is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them out But the idiot page takes almost no effort at all. That's why it is so great, you can even setup a macro in your mailer to reply with that URL as a message, when you, say, see something that is not only on the wrong list, but is WELL addressed in documentation, FAQs, HOW-TOs mailing list archives, and all that... and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the proper list. Can't we all just get along??? My guess would be: no. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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While Jon has a wonderful way of greating newcomers and encouraging their participation in the community, the sentimant is not entirely off base as there is a big nice page that preceeds the page with the list of email addresses that one basically has to read. It is a wonder how one can miss it. (though IMHO it suffers from big block of text syndrome) That being said there is a page on Jon as well that has been dilluted by the picture on it but the information is still good: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html -Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because there is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them out and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the proper list. Can't we all just get along??? Vish, not everybody is a pompous, arrogant, self-serving angry little programmer. some of us do like to help. even if you do post to the wrong list. I know what its like looking for help and not gettting. Jon Scott Stevens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] jon@latchkey. cc: com Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? 07/16/02 08:42 PM Please respond to Jakarta General List on 7/16/02 5:33 PM, Vishal Pahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All: I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet The same fails if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping Notice that I do not have 8080 in there. I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific to make this work? Like create a special web apps or something? Thanks in advance --Vish http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html Cheers and Love, -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The Jon page completely ignores the concept of a Jakarta project to build a set of protocols under which Jon can act so as to avoid causing riots in first world countries. I would like to propose this as a top level Jakarta project and fully believe its mail list will receive more noise than any other. The first steps should be to a) Review every Apache mail list discussion concerning Jon, and b) setting up some code to make sure Jon stays subscribed to the list itself. In fact, maybe before a) happens we should be getting some more powerful mail list servers, just in case. Hen On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: While Jon has a wonderful way of greating newcomers and encouraging their participation in the community, the sentimant is not entirely off base as there is a big nice page that preceeds the page with the list of email addresses that one basically has to read. It is a wonder how one can miss it. (though IMHO it suffers from big block of text syndrome) That being said there is a page on Jon as well that has been dilluted by the picture on it but the information is still good: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html -Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I love how people spend more time getting bent out of shape because there is a wrong posting on an email list by a newbie and spend more effort refering them to the 'idiot' page than if they were to just help them out and politely remind them to next time redirect their questions to the proper list. Can't we all just get along??? Vish, not everybody is a pompous, arrogant, self-serving angry little programmer. some of us do like to help. even if you do post to the wrong list. I know what its like looking for help and not gettting. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] we should be getting some more powerful mail list servers, just in case. Not needed. Trust me. Pier (the mail master) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ROTFL BTW, nice touch that photo! =;o) Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:13 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] we should be getting some more powerful mail list servers, just in case. Not needed. Trust me. Pier (the mail master) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 7/17/02 11:21 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROTFL BTW, nice touch that photo! =;o) Have fun, Paulo http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html Amazing what a symlink can do. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html With a file name like this, I miss a pink hearts background. Does anyone have one of those to contribute? Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? on 7/17/02 11:21 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROTFL BTW, nice touch that photo! =;o) Have fun, Paulo http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html Amazing what a symlink can do. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html Amazing what a symlink can do. :D :D -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You don't think Jon should be the mascot somehow? Paulo Gaspar wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html With a file name like this, I miss a pink hearts background. Does anyone have one of those to contribute? Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? on 7/17/02 11:21 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROTFL BTW, nice touch that photo! =;o) Have fun, Paulo http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html Amazing what a symlink can do. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 7/17/02 3:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't think Jon should be the mascot somehow? I am the mascot... every time I post the idiot.html link...someone (usually you) goes and posts the jon.html link and everyone goes in circles again...it is quite funny...people get more of a reaction of just the fact that I post the link than anything. You guys should get out more often. Come down to my club (http://studioz.tv) and I will buy you a drink or something...maybe that will calm your nerves... -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 7/17/02 3:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't think Jon should be the mascot somehow? I am the mascot... every time I post the idiot.html link...someone (usually Yes I usually enjoy it. Anyhow I was picturing you wearing some kinda hippy outfit giving a peace sign for the love.html link ;-) I myself have been guilty of sending the idiot link out a few times. I'm starting to realize though that some of those folks are coming in from news servers (which replicate the lists) and possibly not coming across the page.. . you) goes and posts the jon.html link and everyone goes in circles again...it is quite funny...people get more of a reaction of just the fact that I post the link than anything. You guys should get out more often. Come down to my club (http://studioz.tv) and I will buy you a drink or something...maybe that will calm your nerves... hehe... buy me a plane ticket, I'll be there. May be there (out there) for the Apachecon if I can swing it. (One's perspective on economics is often swayed when one's neighbors all work for Nortel, Lucent, Ericsson and dum da dum dum WORLDCOM). -Andy -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 00:23, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 7/17/02 3:06 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't think Jon should be the mascot somehow? I am the mascot... every time I post the idiot.html link...someone (usually you) goes and posts the jon.html link and everyone goes in circles again...it is quite funny...people get more of a reaction of just the fact that I post the link than anything. You guys should get out more often. Come down to my club (http://studioz.tv) and I will buy you a drink or something...maybe that will calm your nerves... -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 7/17/02 3:43 PM, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html With a file name like this, I miss a pink hearts background. Does anyone have one of those to contribute? Nope, but if it helps making him look better, I have a pic of Jon wearing a pink ballerina dress... (amazing what Halloween can do!) Pier -- [Perl] combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion of different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. [Jamie Zawinski - DNA Lounge - San Francisco] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And even better is there is a revenge: - Lots of pictures! =:o) Paulo -Original Message- From: Martin van den Bemt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:58 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? Tool late ;) We want to see that picture.. Mvgr, Martin On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 01:54, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/17/02 4:30 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier, I have pictures of you that I can blackmail you with as well...=) Okokokok :) I'll just shut up now! :) I swear I'm not going to do that anymore! :) :) :) :) Pier -- [Perl] combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion of different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. [Jamie Zawinski - DNA Lounge - San Francisco] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And even better is there is a revenge: - Lots of pictures! Being Jon one of my closest friends since _a_lot_, he has _a_lot_ of compromising material on me... And not only pictures (aaarrrggghhh) Pier (ducks for cover) -- [Perl] combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion of different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. [Jamie Zawinski - DNA Lounge - San Francisco] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think I want to imagine what the content may be..;)) Mvgr, Martin On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 02:14, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And even better is there is a revenge: - Lots of pictures! Being Jon one of my closest friends since _a_lot_, he has _a_lot_ of compromising material on me... And not only pictures (aaarrrggghhh) Pier (ducks for cover) -- [Perl] combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion of different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. [Jamie Zawinski - DNA Lounge - San Francisco] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. Same here. I am starting to have stuff that must be done in PHP too and those are exactly my thoughts. But I still make weird stuff faster with my Java thing which includes using Velocity + Pnuts. (Pnuts is a Java based scripting language that can compile to Java bytecode on the fly: http://javacenter.sun.co.jp/pnuts/ ) Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost??? on 7/17/02 3:43 PM, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that site generated by maven ? ;)) Mvgr, Martin Anakia I hate to admit it here, but the output is .html files which are then processed through PHP. I'm going to be moving away from even using Anakia and just using PHP. PHP is terribly fugly and encourages the worst code design ever, but you can get a lot more done with it in a short amount of time and there is no way in hell I would ever lower myself to using JSP. =) -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All: I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet The same fails if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping Notice that I do not have 8080 in there. I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific to make this work? Like create a special web apps or something? Thanks in advance --Vish -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 7/16/02 5:33 PM, Vishal Pahuja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All: I have a custom servlet that works/responds if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja:8080/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping where com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap is our custom servlet The same fails if I type in following in the URL http://vpahuja/servlet/com.esri.esrimap.Esrimap?CMD=appserverping Notice that I do not have 8080 in there. I am using Apache 2.0.39 and Tomcat 4.0.3. Do I need to anything specific to make this work? Like create a special web apps or something? Thanks in advance --Vish http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html Cheers and Love, -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]