Re: [gentoo-user] emerge java version problems.
On 16/6/03 11:23 am, "Jani-Matti Hätinen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Phil Barnett wrote: >> However, when I follow that link, I end up with: >> >> j2sdk-1_4_1_03-linux-i586.bin (note the version change) >> >> Now what? > > You can find the older version from: > http://www.osso.org.co/jhcaiced/java/linux/j2sdk-1_4_1_02-linux-i586.bin > > If that link doesn't work, just search for it in alltheweb or google. I also have a copy, somewhere here, if you need it. This worked fine for me last week. Once you have started you emerge, can you please check bugs.gentoo & report it is no-one else has yet..? Cheers, Stroller -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can Linux web browsing be a complete experience?
On 16/6/03 12:14 pm, "Tom Allison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan wrote: > >> Yes, and no. In windows it seems a little nicer because it's a lot >> better (IMHO) about installing the plugins... you get a prompt saying >> "hey, install xyz", you click ok, it grinds for a few minutes, goes >> through an install wizard, and then you go back to the original window >> and voila! it's there and working. >> > > Some would consider this a security problem. Not my mum, tho'. >> ... Mac >> OS/X seems to have it right with running as a user with SU privileges >> all the time and then popping up a "please enter your user password" >> whenever a program needs to be installed. Not running as root, but >> running close enough to it that you can tasks like installing software >> much easier. I wish linux was a bit more like this... > > First, this is a security item in Linux that you will not easily get around, > nor should you. > Second, what you are referring to smells a lot like SUDO only wrapped up in > something "cute". This is *exactly* what it is. The "something cute" is just a Cocoa implementation of the same sort of thing that KDE (ksu?) & Gnome supply. IMO user privileges is one thing Apple have managed to get very right with OS X - for home & SOHO installations, the user to install the o/s automatically has sudo privileges, but directory services (LDAP?) is also supported out of the box for larger installations. In the former case, all other users can be granted user-only access & in the latter the sysadmin can make sensible decisions regarding network policy. This http://tinyurl.com/ef5b manual would appear to provide quite a decent overview. > No, Linux is usable as a browsing platform. It works fine on so many sites > that it's really a minority. Java applications puke. That's not the fault > of Java... I find this story interesting: http://tinyurl.com/ef5u Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Regarding your posts on the GUML
On 16/6/03 1:01 pm, "Zack Gilburd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please do not take the following offensively, I merely mean to provide you > with constructive critcism. Don't be silly. I always try not to let on when I'm offended. > I've noticed that on your posts to the GUML, you advertise your want to be > employed; Gizza job, mister..! >... However, I do not think > it would be wise to advertise yourself as a sysadmin, then post to a ML with > your root address. Pardon..? > IMHO, using root for *anything* except essential > administrative tasks is risky and careless. I most certainly agree. I rather like `sudo`, as it ensures that the administrator must be conscious of each root-privileged action that he takes - using `su` it is rather too easy to stay logged in as root for longer than intended. > If I were you, I would post from > a different user than root. Erm... but, of course, I do. I rather assumed that would be obvious. > Again, please don't take the following > offensively, but if I were in the market to employ a sysadmin, I would not > hire you because of your seemingly reckless usage of the root account. It's not really THAT seemingly, Sir: [silva:~] stroller% host stellar.eclipse.co.uk stellar.eclipse.co.uk mail is handled (pri=10) by mx1.ex.eclipse.net.uk stellar.eclipse.co.uk mail is handled (pri=20) by mx2.ex.eclipse.net.uk [silva:~] stroller% nslookup stellar.eclipse.co.uk Server: gentoo.lan Address: 192.168.1.43 *** No address (A) records available for stellar.eclipse.co.uk [silva:~] stroller% As you can see, stellar.eclipse is virtually hosted. Is it really a risk for me to post using this address..? > I hope that this did not come off as rude in any way, I just want to offer my > advice as a fellow Linux professional and sysadmin. Glad to have received it. I shall certainly reconsider my posting address - I do not wish the same address to be made in the futile. Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How did MySQL get in here?
On 18/6/03 8:23 pm, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > I run stable on this server and I don't have MySQL in my USE variable. > > USE="curl doc imap ipv6 maildir odbc samba slp sse usb -oss -3dnow -apm \ >-arts -avi -encode -gpm -gtk -kde -gnome -mikmod -motif -mpeg \ >-oggvorbis -opengl -pdflib -qt -quicktime -sdl -truetype -X -xmms -xv \ >-mysql -ldap" > > So, why the heck is it suggesting it for > > emerge -up world I think `emerge -upv world` would tell you this. It's not fantastically well documented, but has been mentioned here a few times. Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Partition setup?
On 18/6/03 9:18 pm, "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I¹m in the process of planning my Gentoo Linux install, and I was wondering > if anyone had some input on setting up the partitions? I have 2 drives, one > 15Gb and a 40Gb drive. I will be running an ftp server on this box, and using > it for miscellaneous other tasks. If anyone can give any insight or maybe how > you have set up your partitions I would appreciate it! Thanks! If it was going to be *just* an FTP server, I might be inclined to look into LVM, in order to add some of your 15gb drive towards the ftp partition; I don't have any experience with LVM, yet, tho', so don't know how difficult it is. Besides, since you're asking, you probably don't want to go that route. Here's what I'd do: /dev/hda - 15gig drive; partition into 4, thus; /dev/hda1 - /boot, 25meg - 50meg /dev/hda2 - /swap, 125meg - 750meg /dev/hda3 - / c 4gig (plenty of room for /usr/portage, /usr/temp &c, but still flexible) /dev/hda4 - /home, the rest, c 10gig. "My Documents" in M$ terminology. /dev/hdb - 40gig drive, only one partition: /dev/hdb1 - /home/ftp, 40gig Some folks prefer to have /usr on a separate partition - it's such a popular choice that I'm sure there must be a very good reason, but I've never worked out (or researched, I'm too lazy) what it is. Giving /home it's own partition just really works for me - it's a logical separation between user & system files - and the /home/ftp mount point for the 2nd drive (I also have another at /home/news, because I also run a caching Usenet server) just made sense when I upgraded my system. Note: some filesystems (eg; `man mke2fs`, "-m" option) reserve a certain percentage of the drive for the root user. If you're configuring your 2nd-drive as I describe above you can force this to 0%. HTH, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Starting gentoo without xdm
On 20/6/03 8:59 am, "Ohad Lutzky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:37:14AM +0200, Sebastian Hungerecker wrote: >> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:29:04 +0100 >> Jan Drugowitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Create a second runlevel and add all services to it, which are in the >> current runlevel except xdm. Then add an entry to grub, which boots in >> this new-created runlevel >> > > That sounds like the right way to do it. Can you give an example of the > right kernel parameters? Runlevels are not specified as kernel parameters - I don't think this is possible to do as a grub option. My personal preference is for something like: # cp -r /etc/runlevels/default /etc/runlevels/gui # rc-update del xdm default # rc-update add xdm gui This will cause your box to boot into CLI mode & a command propmt. To get a GUI you simply log on as root & type `rc gui`. Alternatively, you might: # cp -r /etc/runlevels/default /etc/runlevels/cli # rc-update add xdm default # rc-update del xdm cli This would cause your box to boot to the GUI as it does now, then you would use alt-F1 to get a CLI; login as root to `rc cli` & shutdown the GUI. Sorry I can't be more helpful, but I hope this clarifies the previous responses for you, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Starting gentoo without xdm
On 20/6/03 1:37 am, "Sebastian Hungerecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:29:04 +0100 > Jan Drugowitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Would anyone know a better possibility to do this without >> modifying scripts > Create a second runlevel and add all services to it, which are in the > current runlevel except xdm. Then add an entry to grub, which boots in > this new-created runlevel Whups! I hadn't seen this when I made my posting a moment ago. Please ignore me - I also need to learn how to tell grub how to boot to different runlevels. Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Latest ghostscript ebuild
On 27/6/03 9:03 pm, "Jason Giangrande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any one know why the latest version of ghostscript requires X, gimp, > gimp-print, and a whole bunch of other crap, to be installed? I'm > running a file and print server with no windowing system and do not plan > to install one, yet I use ghostscript drivers for an HP Laser Printer > that is shared on this system, and now I can't install it without > installing X. Even when I try USE="-X" which is how I installed it > before. Appears to work fine here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ emerge -upv world These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [ebuildU ] sys-apps/grep-2.5.1-r1 [2.5-r1] +nls -build [ebuildU ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.4-r5 [2.5.4-r4] -build -static [ebuildU ] sys-apps/reiserfsprogs-3.6.8 [3.6.4-r1] [ebuildU ] sys-apps/miscfiles-1.3-r2 [1.3] [ebuildU ] sys-apps/debianutils-1.16.7-r2 [1.16.7-r1] -static -build [ebuildU ] sys-apps/portage-2.0.48-r1 [2.0.47-r10] -build *** Portage will stop merging at this point and reload itself, recalculate dependancies, and complete the merge. [ebuildU ] sys-devel/gcc-config-1.3.3-r1 [1.3.1-r1] [ebuildU ] sys-libs/cracklib-2.7-r7 [2.7-r6] [ebuildU ] app-misc/uptimed-0.3.0 [0.2.0-r1] [ebuildU ] sys-apps/grub-0.93.20030118 [0.92-r1] [ebuildU ] app-text/ghostscript-7.05.6-r2 [7.05.5] -X -cups -cjk ... And a LOAD more. HTH, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Best way to start VNCserver & KDE
I've recently installed KDE & VNC on one of my boxes. I've set up KDE according to the Desktop Configuration Guide, and that works perfectly. To run VNCserver (without KDE running locally) I logged in as user & issue that command; it seems to create a .vnc directory in ~stroller and I can connect from another host. The GUI is, however, the primitive twm. How do I get VNCserver to display my KDE GUI login / desktop, please..? I have tried changing the last line of the startup file that is created in my ~ thusly: [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ cat .vnc/xstartup #!/bin/sh xrdb $HOME/.Xresources xsetroot -solid grey xterm -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & # twm & kdm & But running that as user appears not permitted. Running that script as root just causes kdm to start on the machine's local display, not under VNC. I'm not really much of an X guru - Mandrake had an /etc/init.d/ script which took care of this for me - so I'm probably overlooking something simple. Can anyone advise me..? Thanks, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to start VNCserver & KDE
On 28/6/03 1:39 pm, "Jon Gaudette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Replace "kdm &" with "startkde &" (w/o quotes) > > From what I know, you cannot start a login manager with vnc, but the > actual desktop/window manager itself. Thanks, lads! Worked perfectly! Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USB and Firewire user guides
On 30/6/03 11:28 am, "Paul Stear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I may be missing something but I have been trying to get a usb storage device > to work and to get my dv camera to work via my firewire board. > > Is their a how-to, user guide, instructions, etc that I can look at? > If anyone has these items working perhaps they will be kind enough to send me > instructions and copies of any config files. I would have thought that this was such a common topic, that I'm surprised that no-one else has answered this already, and I'm sorry that you've had to wait so long for my humble reply. I can't comment (yet) on configuring hardware, but I recently recompiled the kernel on my Vaio C1 to support my USB flash memory drive. Formerly the USB floppy drive worked fine, but I got errors when I tried the flash stick. I cannot give you a precise answer as to how to fix this, because I resolved it myself using trial & error. Currently the following items are selected in `make menuconfig`: - Memory Technology Device (MTD) support - MTD partitioning & concatenating - RAM/ROM/Flash chip drivers - lots of 'em - Mapping drivers for chip access - none - Self-contained MTD device drivers - lots of 'em - NAND Flash Device Drivers - not selected - SCSI support - scsi disk & scsi generic selected, hardly any low-level drivers chosen - USB Support - USB verbose debug messages (`tail -f syslog` when you plug the device in) - Miscellaneous USB options - all of 'em - USB Host Controller Drivers - all of 'em - USB Mass Storage support - all of 'em I think these options should be sufficient to get you up & running with USB. My /etc/fstab now has two entries thus: # Vaio USB floppy /dev/sda/mnt/floppy autouser,noauto,rw0 0 # LAKS Watch USB Flash Storage /dev/sda1 /mnt/laks autouser,noauto,rw 0 0 Someone posted this http://cvs.gentoo.org/~spider/ URL yesterday - I seem to recall that my flash device is FAT formatted, so of course you will also need DOS filesystem types enabled. I hope you find this information useful, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Courier IMAP
On 3/7/03 5:16 am, "Andrew Gaffney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I emerge'd courier-imap. I set up a test user with 'useradd -m testuser' to > make sure the .maildir > and correct files got created. I can access the mailbox with IMAP from > Mozilla, but when I try to > create a folder, I get the error 'The current command did not succeed. The > mail server responded: > Invalid mailbox name.' I tried adding a folder called 'Discuss' and 'test' > under Inbox and the main > account name. I can copy messages into the Inbox folder just fine. Anyone have > any idea what's going on? IMAP seems to be a bit quirky - because the RFC specification for it may be (I believe this is a debated point) unclear different clients behave in different ways. For instance: I cannot get Microsoft IMAP clients under Windows to co-exist with client on the same server - M$ expects the magic folder "Deleted Items", the other "Trash". Funnily enough, Mac OS X users of M$'s entourage email client can select the name of their magic folder. Some notes on configuring different clients with Courier-IMAP are available at http://tinyurl.com/70df Are your users virtually-hosted or do they exist in /etc/passwd..? I have no experience of the former, but in the latter case I'd shell into the mailserver: [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ maildirmake -f Test\ Folder .maildir/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ls -a .maildir/ | grep Test .Test Folder Maildirmake is documented in the man pages. I have sometimes found this to be better than trying to use the mail client to create folders across the IMAP connection, as this may be quirky. OTOH, Entourage seems to refuse to subscribe to new folders on the IMAP server which have not been created by itself, so YMMV. HTH, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] upgrade from gentoo 1.2 to the current 1.4series.
On 3/7/03 12:28 pm, "William Kenworthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not so long ago someone posted the location of the upgrade from gentoo > 1.2 to the current 1.4 series. Can someone repost the link because I > cannot find it! It's in the 2nd section of the Gentoo Linux User Documentation Resources at http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/docs.xml#top The direct link (English) is http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/new-upgrade-to-gentoo-1.4.xml Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Automatic update of packages related to thekernel
On 3/7/03 3:13 pm, "Saurabh Nanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any way I can inform the portage system of a kernel upgrade - so that > it can automatically recompile packages which depend on the kernel (like, > alsa-driver and the nvidia modules)? > > ... I rebooted into the new kernel, alsa did > not work and neither did X. So I had to manually (re)emerge alsa-driver, > nvidia-kernel, and nvidia-glx. > > Is there a way to automate this process? ISTR this was discussed on -dev not so long ago. sys-apps/pcmcia-cs also requires recompilation when changing kernel. ISTR that automation of the recompilation process is planned in the future. Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: ntp
On 3/7/03 6:28 pm, "Christopher Egner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alright then, any ideas what to use. I mean, I agree syncing to multiple > servers seems a bit drastic (nice to know I won't be late for work, but > still...). ... > > If anyone has any other ideas. let me know rdate was mentioned on a posting a couple of months ago. HTH, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- Forwarded Message From: Matthew Daubenspeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:13:35 -0400 To: gentoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Time On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 05:59:30AM -0500, ds wrote: > In winblowz, I can use atomic clock to keep my server time accurate, is > there a like service for Linux? rdate works very well... * net-misc/rdate Latest version available: 990821 Latest version installed: 990821 Size of downloaded files: 3 kB Homepage:http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/rdate Description: rdate uses the NTP server of your choice to syncronize/show the current time -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Emacs
On 5/7/03 12:53 pm, "Leonid Podolny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi and sorry for the off-topic. > Some days ago I tried to search the internet for the good reference card > for emacs (the car with most important key combinations - always mix > them). The strange thing is that I couldn't find any. They always speak > about the card attached to emacs manual, but it's not available at the > available for download copy, only the commercial one. Hope someone can > point me to one. http://www.GeekCheat.com not only sell quick-reference cards (mugs, mousemats), but have some links to quick-reference webpages on their site: http://www.geekcheat.com/cs_emacs.php I hope this is helpful, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [LONG] New dependancies?
On 10/7/03 4:03 pm, "Dmitry Suzdalev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [ebuildU ] sys-apps/grep-2.5.1-r1 [2.5-r1]
> [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libxml-1.8.17-r2
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-0.17-r6
> [ebuildU ] sys-apps/module-init-tools-0.9.12 [0.9.11-r3]
...
>
> The question is: What are those new ('N') packages? Why might I need iputils
> for example? I don't use them at all.
> And I'd be very grateful if some one could point out what packages depend on
> that 'N's?
> May be its because some new USE-flags in make.globals?
I always run emerge with the -pv options, instead of just -p.
EG:
emerge -upv world --deep
...
[ebuild N ] dev-perl/gtk-perl-0.7008-r9
[ebuild N ] media-gfx/gimp-1.2.4 +python +nls -gnome +aalib +perl -doc
+jpeg +png -tiff -doc
[ebuild N ] net-ftp/curl-7.10.5-r1 +ssl -ipv6 -ldap
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/pciutils-2.1.10-r1
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/usbutils-0.11-r1
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/hotplug-20030501-r2
[ebuild N ] net-print/cups-1.1.19 +ssl -slp +pam
[ebuildU ] dev-libs/libxml2-2.5.7 [2.5.6] +python +readline
[ebuild N ] net-print/foomatic-2.0.0
[ebuild N ] media-gfx/gimp-print-4.2.5 +cups -doc +nls
[ebuildUD] app-crypt/mit-krb5-1.2.7 [1.2.7-r2] +krb4
[ebuildU ] dev-perl/TermReadKey-2.21 [2.19-r1]
[ebuild N ] dev-java/java-config-0.2.8
[ebuild N ] dev-java/blackdown-jdk-1.4.1 -doc
[ebuildU ] dev-libs/libxslt-1.0.30-r1 [1.0.30] +python
[ebuild N ] net-libs/c-client-2002d +ssl
[ebuild N ] dev-perl/DB_File-1.803-r2
The red & blue "+foo -bar" indicates which USE flags the packages will
implement. I tend to use this to tweak my settings. Someone else has also
suggested using `qpkg`, which is probably better.
Stroller.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [LONG] New dependancies?
On 10/7/03 4:56 pm, "Stroller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/7/03 4:03 pm, "Dmitry Suzdalev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > The red & blue "+foo -bar" indicates which USE flags the packages will > implement. I tend to use this to tweak my settings. Someone else has also > suggested using `qpkg`, which is probably better. > > Stroller. Replying to my own message: when I tried this out, because I had emerged -up world recently, I had to use the --deep parameter to get any output. And WHAT a long list it was, too - my USE flags have definitely changed since I had the system installed, and now it wanted to install Xfree. Why..? I tracked it down to GhostScript. Check this out: [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ emerge -pv /usr/portage/app-text/ghostscript/ghostscript-7.05.6.ebuild These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] sys-apps/pciutils-2.1.10-r1 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/usbutils-0.11-r1 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/hotplug-20030501-r2 [ebuild N ] net-print/cups-1.1.19 +ssl -slp +pam [ebuild N ] dev-util/intltool-0.25 [ebuildU ] media-libs/freetype-2.1.4 [1.3.1-r3] -doc +zlib -prebuilt [ebuild N ] x11-misc/ttmkfdir-3.0.9 [ebuild N ] x11-base/opengl-update-1.5 [ebuild N ] media-libs/fontconfig-2.2.0-r2 -doc [ebuild N ] app-arch/unzip-5.50-r1 [ebuild N ] app-arch/cabextract-0.6 [ebuild N ] x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r2 +3dfx -sse +mmx -3dnow -xml +truetype +nls -cjk -doc [ebuild N ] x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r10 +nls [ebuild N ] media-libs/glide-v3-3.10-r3 [ebuild N ] net-ftp/curl-7.10.5-r1 +ssl -ipv6 -ldap [ebuild N ] net-print/foomatic-2.0.0 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/Text-Balanced-1.95 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/Parse-RecDescent-1.94 [ebuild N ] media-libs/audiofile-0.2.3-r1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/esound-0.2.29 +tcpd -alsa [ebuild N ] gnome-base/ORBit-0.5.17 +nls [ebuild N ] media-libs/giflib-4.1.0-r3 -X +gif [ebuild N ] media-libs/imlib-1.9.14-r1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-libs-1.4.2 -doc +nls -kde [ebuild N ] media-libs/gdk-pixbuf-0.21.0 -doc [ebuild N ] dev-perl/XML-Writer-0.4-r2 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/gtk-perl-0.7008-r9 [ebuild N ] media-libs/mpeg-lib-1.3.1-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/aalib-1.4_rc4-r2 -X +slang +gpm [ebuild N ] dev-perl/File-Spec-0.82 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/Digest-MD5-2.24 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/Test-Harness-2.28 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/Data-Dumper-2.101 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/Inline-0.44 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/Filter-1.29 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/ExtUtils-F77-1.14-r1 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/PDL-2.4.0 -opengl [ebuild N ] media-gfx/gimp-1.2.4 +python +nls -gnome +aalib +perl -doc +jpeg +png -tiff -doc [ebuild N ] media-gfx/gimp-print-4.2.5 +cups -doc +nls [ebuildUD] app-text/ghostscript-7.05.6 [7.05.6-r2] -X +cups -cjk [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ USE=-cups emerge -pv /usr/portage/app-text/ghostscript/ghostscript-7.05.6.ebuild These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] media-libs/jbigkit-1.4 [ebuildU ] media-libs/freetype-2.1.4 [1.3.1-r3] -doc +zlib -prebuilt [ebuild N ] media-gfx/imagemagick-5.5.6 -X -cups +jpeg -lcms -mpeg +png +truetype -tiff +xml2 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/pciutils-2.1.10-r1 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/usbutils-0.11-r1 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/hotplug-20030501-r2 [ebuild N ] net-print/cups-1.1.19 +ssl -slp +pam [ebuild N ] net-print/gimp-print-cups-4.3.5 +nls -gtk +readline [ebuildUD] app-text/ghostscript-7.05.6 [7.05.6-r2] -X -cups -cjk [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ This just seems dead weird to me: with the -cups flag, CUPS is still installed. With the +cups flag, cups is emerged along with the kitchen sink &al. Can anyone explain this, please..? I would have expected `USE=-cups emerge ghostscript` not to install CUPS at all. Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [LONG] New dependancies? (GhostScript & CUPS,USE flags).
On 10/7/03 8:35 pm, "Marius Mauch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:23:23 +0100 Stroller wrote: > >> Can anyone explain this, please..? I would have expected `USE=-cups >> emerge ghostscript` not to install CUPS at all. > > Reading the ghostscript ebuild the following line showed up in DEPEND; > cups? gimp-print : gimp-print-cups" > > So if you have +cups it has gimp-print as a dependency and > gimp-print-cups if not. gimp-print-cups again has cups as a required > dependency while gimp-print uses the cups useflag. Looks like a wrong > usage of the cups useflag in ghostscript to me, you should file a bug > for that if it bothers you. I should obviously have looked at Bugzilla first. This is bug 19937; although it has been open sometime, the printing team seem to b aware of it, & intend to fix. Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo is slow
On 12/7/03 5:35 pm, "Daniel Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 04:27:38PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: >> Mandrake and debian (monolithic, no modules) used the 2.4.21 kernel, >> against 2.4.20 gentoo-sources with preempt etc (it seems gentoo is >> behind here?) > > To compare performance, you should use similarly configured kernels. > Preempt decreases overall performance significantly but also increases > interactivity greatly. Things will benchmark slower with it enabled, > like you are experiencing. I'm sorry - this is really dumb of me to ask: what is "increased interactivity" in this context..? Why might preempt be a Good Thing , if it decreases performance..? Thanks, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] networking win98 and linux
On 16/7/03 3:31 am, "reg hughson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have my computers (win98 and gentoo boxes) sharing an internet > connection through a router but as it stands right now, the two > computers can't 'see' each other. Would someone point me to a guide that > shows how to get the two able to swap files back and forth across the > router? Others have explained a little about Samba (I recommend the Samba HOWTO at <http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO.html>), but there's a couple of other things I'd like to reply to in your post: > I have my computers (win98 and gentoo boxes) sharing an internet > connection through a router... Your boxes are almost certainly not connected to each other "through" a router, but connected to *the Internet* through a router. If your router has several LAN ports, to which the various machines in your house are connected, then those additional Ethernet posts are functioning as a hub, or switch, which is a dumb device. The PCs are connected to each other through the hub. > ... as it stands right now, the two > computers can't 'see' each other Well, there's seeing, and there's "seeing".;-] Just because you can't see the connections in Network Neighbourhood or Konqueror, doesn't mean the computers can't see each other. Have you tried pinging..? On the Gentoo box try: $ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:B4:C3:5E:5C inet addr:192.168.1.43 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 ... We're only interested in that 2nd line, which gives the machine's IP address, in this case 192.168.1.43. Now on the Windows box, go to Start & Run & type "winipcfg" to get it's IP address. Open a DOS prompt & type `ping ` or in my case `ping 192.168.1.43`. You should see some replies. On the Gentoo box type `ping `. If you see ping replies, this means that the computers CAN, in fact, see each other. You just can't see any compatible network services running in your network browser. Appropriate compatible network services might be ftp, www, Gnutella, or (as others have mentioned) windows file & print sharing, which is packaged with Windows by default. Linux uses Samba to provide file-sharing compatible with M$'s file & print sharing. I always set that up by editing the /etc/samba/smb.conf file with a text editor - it's a pretty long scary configuration file the first time you edit it, but there's really not much there that needs changing. Don't forget to use the smbpasswd program, and also to add smb to your default runlevel. HTH, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Listing all init scripts at any runlevel
On 18/7/03 11:47 am, "Dhruba Bandopadhyay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can I list all init scripts that are currently added to the default > run level and to the boot level? A solution other than looking at bootup > screen would be helpful. $ ls /etc/runlevels/default/ /etc/runlevels/boot/ /etc/runlevels/boot/: bootmisc checkroot consolefont keymaps modules rmnologin urandom checkfs clock hostname localmount net.lo serial /etc/runlevels/default/: apache courier-imapd local net.eth0 samba sysklogd vcron atd courier-imapd-ssl named netmount sshd uptimed xinetd $ HTH, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge files on CD
On 22/7/03 7:33 am, "Robert Storey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > I'm new to Gentoo - so new that I haven't installed it yet. My big > hangup is that I don't have broadband, and there is no hope of getting > it where I live. One friend of mine (who does have broadband) has > offered to download the whole lot of Gentoo emerge files and burn these > onto CD. I think others have pointed out this forum posting: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=41510&highlight=portage+snapshot But you may also find this list positng from April interesting: On 17/4/03 2:38 pm, "Kurt Lieber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 02:11:37PM +0200 or thereabouts, Gour wrote: > > The entire distfiles tree is roughly 18GB, so no, it is not available on > physical media at this point. > > There is one vendor, Hiiq Inc, that does sell a DVD which contains a subset > of the distfiles tree for $10. I do not know exactly what is/isn't on that > DVD -- you would need to talk to the vendor to get that info. > > http://www.hiiq.biz/store/index.php?manufacturers_id=10 HTH, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Restore of mail
On 23/7/03 10:02 am, "Patrick Marquetecken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need to restore about 5000 e-mail that are in maildir format. This is > structure of subfolders in subfolders in sub and all the mails have the > extention .msg What program created them..? Is that not a mail-client with IMAP capability..? If you can get kMail (for instance) to read them then you can just drag & drop them into your IMAP mail server. > Does anyone knows what the best way to make them visible in a e-mail program > with imap capacity so i can put them on a imap mailserver. I can't wait until you post the full explanation of this. IMAP is brilliant! Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Restore of mail
On 23/7/03 2:10 pm, "Patrick Marquetecken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I need to restore about 5000 e-mail that are in maildir format. This is >>> structure of subfolders in subfolders in sub and all the mails have the >>> extention .msg ... > I got a .tar file witch have all those mails. It comes from a SUN iplanet > mailserver. Surely, if these are valid maildirs, then almost any mail client will be able to read them. I'm not sure that they are, tho'. I have to add that I'm not *terribly* experienced in these matters, but I know this is a valid maildir subdirectory: [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ ls .Maildir/cur/ 1047130623.M552061P10198V0304I4AAD_8.gentoo.lan,S=5584:2,RS 1055258404.M3246P1737V0304I66E2_0.gentoo.lan,S=2035:2,S 1055380174.M420753P13578V0304I171C_0.gentoo.lan,S=3293:2,S 1055578507.M339722P4396V0304I5D9A_0.gentoo.lan,S=3709:2,RS 1056730207.M880669P23113V0304I000283D1_0.gentoo.lan,S=3659:2,RS 1056878409.M521657P2922V0304ID205_0.gentoo.lan,S=1569:2,S 1056878708.M865992P2932V0304ID20D_0.gentoo.lan,S=4517:2,S 1057616470.M874937P2205V0304IDE42_0.gentoo.lan,S=6009:2,RS 1057621227.M222504P2815V0304I0002B588_0.gentoo.lan,S=3014:2,S 1057677003.M693224P5133V0304I0002B628_0.gentoo.lan,S=4129:2,S 1058310308.M134905P11728V0304I0002BF91_0.gentoo.lan,S=5334:2,S 1058332803.M412347P12671V0304I0002BFE7_0.gentoo.lan,S=2701:2,RS 1058383228.M955402P14892V0304I0002C0C3_0.gentoo.lan,S=2617:2,RS 1058553014.M748851P30075V0304I0002C26C_0.gentoo.lan,S=5688:2,S 1058915724.M154155P17399V0304I0002C6F4_0.gentoo.lan,S=1705:2,S [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ This is a listing of my home directory on my courier-imap server. >>> Does anyone knows what the best way to make them visible in a e-mail program >>> with imap capacity so i can put them on a imap mailserver. >> >> I can't wait until you post the full explanation of this. IMAP is brilliant! > > I'm trying to get these mail into a local mailbox, and from there move them to > a IMAP server. Well, surely you could untar them to the server directly..? The directory format for courier-imap is: $ ls -a1 .Maildir/ . .. .Folder .Folder.Subfolder .AnotherFolder. .AnotherFolder.Subfolder courierimapsubscribed courierimapuiddb cur new tmp $ ls -a1 .Maildir/.Folder courierimapuiddb cur maildirfolder new tmp NB: the ".Maildir" is set in courier-imap config files, and can be changed; it should be the same for all users. Names of folders & subfolders are arbitrary, but are saved as hidden files, ie with the dot at the start of their names. Separate directories exist for a folder & it's subfolders - the directories which are IMAP subfolders are indicated hierarchically by the dot in the middle of their names. Each directory contains the special directories cur, new & tmp. Read mail is stored in cur. Maildirs should be made on the server using the `maildirmake` command, and their subfolders using `maildirmake -f`. The man pages give the deatails. It shouldn't be too hard to `mv folder/subfolder/* .Maildir/.folder.subfolder/cur/` for each of the folders you have in your tar file. But please do this carefully for a test-user first - I really am not sure about your .msg extensions. Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge: strange things happen...
On 24/7/03 9:53 am, "Stefano Marinelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello there. Strange things happen with emerge. An example: > > root # emerge -upD world > > These are the packages that I would merge, in order: > > Calculating world dependencies ...done! > [ebuildU ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.12 [2.11z-r7] > [ebuildU ] sys-devel/binutils-2.14.90.0.5 [2.14.90.0.2] > [ebuildU ] sys-devel/gcc-3.2.3-r2 [3.2.3-r1] > [ebuildUD] app-office/openoffice-bin-1.0.3.1 [1.1_beta-r1] > > root # > > but, look at this: > root # emerge -p depclean >>>> These are the packages that I would unmerge: > ... > Why does it want to delete the gimp Do you have Ghostscript &/or CUPS installed..? Actually I'm not sure if this is a relevant question, but I believe your issue may be related to bug 19937. The printing packages were amended a few days ago to resolve it. I suspect that Gimp is not in your world file, and is now no longer a dependency of anything in your world file. The easy answer, of course, is to add it. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?
On 24/7/03 6:11 pm, "Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)? >... > I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how *slow* > of a computer can be useful? > > Would mozilla run well on a Pentium II-266 Mhz? I realize there are other > browsers like links & lynx, but they don't seem to render most pages > correctly. I've installed Gentoo on a PII 400 Vaio C1. Those are the ones with the 480 x 1140 (?) widescreens, and they're available 2nd hand on eBay for c £400. That doesn't answer all your concerns, but it IS a lovely _light_ lappy - it'll just about fit in an inside jacket pocket. With a very little hacking, it is possible to use the whole width of the screen in framebuffer mode. TBH, it is a little too short, but it is quite usable. The C1 is adequately fast in the console even with a knackered hard-drive - I'll be interested to see how it does in KDE once I've gotten around to replacing that. My battery is knackered also, 8-[, but I get an hour out of it. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?
On 24/7/03 8:40 pm, "Michael Gruenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > Compiling stuff is probably too slow without distcc (KDE took 4-5 days > if I remember correctly without distcc). It took 20 days to compile KDE & all it's dependencies with my poor knackered hard-drive!! Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Procmail for several users
On 24/7/03 7:52 pm, "Patrick Marquetecken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm installing a small server (88mb ram can't be upgraded) that will gather > mail for 10 persons > The have mail adresses at "normal" isp's and hotmail. > For hotmail i'm using gotmail. > And using fetchmail for gathering the mails from the isp's. I don't know about procmail - I like maildrop. The following works for me: $ head -40 .fetchmailrc defaults timeout 60 protocol pop3 # Test porpoises only #keep #fetchall mda "/usr/bin/maildrop -d $USER" poll pop.myisp.com user "joe.stroller" there with password wibble, is "stroller" here; $ HTH, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] adsl boottime
On 28/7/03 12:28 am, "Molnar Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I want to start up my ADSL connection at boot time, or maybe give the > users permission to start it for themselves (so I wouldn't have to su > every time). Are there any scripts available on the web to do this? I think that /etc/init.d/net.ppp0 might do what you require. It might also be worth searching the forums, if you haven't already. Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Anyone using syslog-ng..?
A week or two ago I installed syslog-ng-1.6.0_rc3 because it does some filtering I require on logs from my firewall & printer, which access it by port 514. Previously I had sysklogd-1.4.1 installed, and this had a script in cron.daily which zipped up & archived all old logfiles. Now that script is emailing me each day, because it can't find /usr/sbin/syslogd-listfiles; when I find a version of that, I find it is unsuitable for my system as it relies on /etc/syslog.conf to tell it which logs to zip. I guess I have two questions: - How come it's so hard to zip up all the files in /var/log..? Why are such long scripts needed..? - Why isn't syslog-ng supplied with a suitable cron script to tidy my logfiles..? Many thanks for everyone's time & patience, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using syslog-ng..?
On 30/7/03 8:28 pm, "Marshal Newrock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Alan wrote: > >>> - Why isn't syslog-ng supplied with a suitable cron script to tidy my >>> logfiles..? >> >> This would be handled by logrotate, but you still have to come up with >> the config files for it yourself :\ I managed to grab a bunch off my >> debian box, but it'd be nice to see logrotate as a USE variable and >> ebuilds to throw a script in /etc/logrotate.d/ if they see it for things >> like postfix, syslog*, apache, etc. > > syslog-ng is much more configurable than sysklogd. > ...That's in addition to being able to split up what would > normally be one logfile into several, or combine a few, or just discard > certain messages. It's wonderful. I have /var/log/ADSL-Router-firewall.log /var/log/ADSL-Router-other.log & /var/log/HP-LaserJet-Printer.log > I'm sure it's possible to have a default logrotate.d > file for the default syslog-ng file. I have to say I'm not really clear why I need logrotate for syslog-ng, when I didn;t need it for sysklogd. > ... On the other hand, I seem to recall > the default syslog-ng.conf file not having very much in it. The default syslog-ng.conf file was indeed pretty lame. There's one in the forums <http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=57257&highlight=syslogng> which is much better. If there are any devs reading this, I'd vote for that to become the default. > At any rate, you get much greater control at the cost of greater > maintenance. Once you've figured out exactly what you want in your > syslog-ng.conf file, though, it's fairly easy to write up a syslog-ng file > for logrotate. I just choose all the options I want to apply to (almost) > all log files, then write up each individual file with any exceptions (ie, > daily instead of weekly). Thanks. I'll take a proper look at it. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using syslog-ng..?
On 30/7/03 3:45 am, "Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - Why isn't syslog-ng supplied with a suitable cron script to tidy my >> logfiles..? > > This would be handled by logrotate, but you still have to come up with > the config files for it yourself :\ I managed to grab a bunch off my > debian box... Would you have a copy you can post, please..? TIA, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to keep syslog msgs out of/var/log/messages?
On 1/8/03 6:11 pm, "edj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Using syslog-ng. /var/log/messages fills with "syslog-ng[717]: STATS:
> dropped 0", one after another. OK - so syslog is working. However, an
> identical log appears in /var/log/syslog. How to keep it from logging
> to messages? Sorry, but syslog.conf is gibberish to me, and the man
> page is not very helpful. Any advice appreciated. Thanks.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ cat /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf.out-of-the-box
o
# $Header:
/home/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/app-admin/syslog-ng/files/syslog-ng.conf.gentoo,v
1.3 2003/05/12 22:43:48 msterret Exp $
#
# Syslog-ng default configuration file for Gentoo Linux
# contributed by Michael Sterrett
options {
long_hostnames(off);
sync(0);
# The default action of syslog-ng 1.6.0 is to log a STATS line
# to the file every 10 minutes. That's pretty ugly after a while.
# Change it to every 12 hours so you get a nice daily update of
# how many messages syslog-ng missed (0).
stats(43200);
};
HTH,
Stroller.
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to keep syslog msgs out of/var/log/messages?
On 1/8/03 10:11 pm, "edj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 01 August 2003 02:43 pm, Stroller wrote:
>> On 1/8/03 6:11 pm, "edj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Using syslog-ng. /var/log/messages fills with "syslog-ng[717]:
>>> STATS: dropped 0", one after another. OK - so syslog is working.
>>> However, an identical log appears in /var/log/syslog. How to keep
>>> it from logging to messages? Sorry, but syslog.conf is gibberish
>>> to me, and the man page is not very helpful. Any advice
>>> appreciated. Thanks.
>
>> # Syslog-ng default configuration file for Gentoo Linux
>> # contributed by Michael Sterrett
>>
>> options {
>> long_hostnames(off);
>> sync(0);
>>
>> # The default action of syslog-ng 1.6.0 is to log a STATS
>> line # to the file every 10 minutes. That's pretty ugly after a
>> while. # Change it to every 12 hours so you get a nice daily update
>> of # how many messages syslog-ng missed (0).
>> stats(43200);
>> };
>
> The generation of STATS lines isn't the problem. It's their
> destination. How to keep 'em out of /var/log/messages?
Whups! Sorry!
I think something like:
destination syslog { file("/var/log/syslog"); };
filter f_sysl-ng { program("syslog-ng"); };
log { source(src); filter(f_sysl-ng); destination(syslog); flags(final); };
Should get it. You'll obviously need to juggle this with your other filters.
HTH,
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Re: [gentoo-user] gimp guru needed
On 2/8/03 1:09 am, "Ernie Schroder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A couple of days ago I ran my updates and among others, cups > ghostscript, foomatic,hpijs and gimp-print were updated. Now I have no > print option with gimp. I tried re-emerging gimp-print to no avail. It > seems to me that in the past I used something called gimp-print-cups > but emerge -s gimp shows nothing like that in portage... What does `emerge -pv gimp` say..? Maybe there is some USE flag you're missing. Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lvm-mod + Kernel 2.6
On 2/8/03 2:39 pm, "Wouter Vanwalleghem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 16:50, Thomas Schweikle wrote: >> Hi! >> >> after some tryal i could manage having a running kernel 2.6-beta2 with >> gentoo. Only one problem remaining: >> >> lvm isn't working any more. Is it missing from this kernel? > > Yes, lvm has been removed from the 2.6.x kernels. And I was unable to > find lvm patches for the 2.6.x series on the Sistina site, home of the > makers of linux-lvm. > There are two things you can do, both of which require you to include > the device-mapper in your kernel (in the Multi-device support (RAID and > LVM) section): > -LVM2 > -EVMS (which is what I used) http://evms.sourceforge.net/ So I was just about to implement LVM for several disks (6gig - 10gig) on my 2.4.20 system. The question is: is this advisable for future compatibility..? I think I read here recently that LVM will be supported by LVM2, but what's this EVMS stuff..? I trust LVM(2) isn't being phased out..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Poll #3
On 4/8/03 6:50 pm, "Fred Van Andel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is the third gentoo poll. > > The question is: > > Where do you use gentoo? > a) At home on the desktop > b) At home as a server > c) At home as a firewall > d) At work on the desktop > e) At work as a server > f) At work as a firewall Everywhere I use Intel hardware, that I can. For sheer pleasure of use my workstation is a Mac OS X G4. But for home server & laptops Gentoo is perfect. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bootstrapping a Heterogeneous compile farm?
On 8/8/03 3:02 am, "Adam Scriven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I'm kinda wondering about distcc and ccache. I've got both running now > over the cluster, but I'm wondering if that's overkill, or if they will > interfere with the cluster's functioning. Well, I thought that distcc was unnecessary in a clustered environment, and that you just compiled with a higher -j number. But according to this HOWTO <http://howto.ipng.be/openMosix-HOWTO/c1377.html> I was incorrect. So it seems like you might well need to use distcc. Certainly, I admire you for your project - do let us all know how it goes. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Normal applications under OpenMosix?
On 11/8/03 5:40 pm, "Jeffrey Smelser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I ran a 3 cluster system and things migrate constantly.. > > What's nice is that any application you run, can be migrated. It doesn't > matter what you run.. you can also tell it to run things on nodes.. Just about > anything. You seem to be well-positioned to answer questions from the floor. I read recently that (Open)Mosix didn't migrate compilation processes, because they're too short-lived. Is this true..? Can you tell us please how you deal with this..? Do you run distcc on your nodes..? Many thanks, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] email system for the home network
not yet been seen by any mail application. The cur subdirectory stores messages that have already been seen by mail applications. > Does Courier-IMAP now just read the emails from this directory? Yup. From http://www.inter7.com/courierimap.html "The primary advantage of maildirs is that multiple applications can access the same Maildir simultaneously without requiring any kind of locking whatsoever." > And I am assuming > that when I try to access my email from my work computer, the emails stay on > my home computer and are not downloaded to my work computer, correct? Yes. You should try it using various clients over the LAN. IIRC your wife has a Windows box, so you should be able to connect from that - I recently connected to the courier-imap server on my LAN using my mother's PC, Outlook Distress & her 56k dial-up connection. It was a little slow synchronising, but quite adequate, especially considering how big some of my mailboxes are. Note that Outlook Distress doesn't handle the "Trash" folder correctly - it wants "Deleted Items" (this is mentioned in /etc/courier-imap/imapd), but the system still seems to be usable. For hints on configuring some mail clients check out: http://www.inter7.com/courierimap.html HTH, Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Firewall and syslogd
On 8/8/03 2:48 pm, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am not a syslog expert, so need some help. I have rules in my firewall
> for logging, but currently, it is all logged into my syslog file. How do I
> setup syslog to filter them out and put them in a separate file. Does
> anybody here have a scheme for this? What I mean is, do you use multiple
> files for various firewall rules? How did you set this up?
I have recently started using syslog-ng, which is designed for filtering of
syslog messages. I think if you emerge'd this syslogger you would find this
task relatively trivial.
If you search the archives by my name & "syslog-ng", you should find a
couple of threads in which this fantastic logger has been discussed.
I think a filter something like:
destination firew { file("/var/log/firewall"); };
filter f_iptables { program("iptables"); };
log { source(src); filter(f_iptables); destination(firew); flags(final); };
Should catch all iptables messages into a separate logfile.
HTH,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Bootstrapping a Heterogeneous compile farm?
On 8/8/03 3:02 am, "Adam Scriven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I'm kinda wondering about distcc and ccache. I've got both running now > over the cluster, but I'm wondering if that's overkill, or if they will > interfere with the cluster's functioning. Well, I thought that distcc was unnecessary in a clustered environment, and that you just compiled with a higher -j number. But according to this HOWTO <http://howto.ipng.be/openMosix-HOWTO/c1377.html> I was incorrect. So it seems like you might well need to use distcc. Certainly, I admire you for your project - do let us all know how it goes. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mouse in console
On 9/8/03 3:36 pm, "Ernie Schroder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 09 August 2003 04:27 am, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote: > >> You need to enable the gpm use flag and then re-emerge the packages >> that use it. Also, you need to emerge gpm. Then configure it and >> start it. Applications like links should use it automatically. >> > > I didn't compile anything here with the gpm flag and mouse works in > consoles and lynx. (I suppose that it works in lynx because it works in > console?) The question is, I guess, what needs to be recompiled to take > advantage of gpm? I'm sure I've got one box (not here, so I can't check) without gpm & one box with. On the box *without*, console mouse works better than it does on the one *with* gpm, particularly when I'm shelled in. As I recall, on the box _with_ gpm, I can't use the mouse _at all_ when I'm shelled in from another machine. If anyone could explain this, or why my memory must be fooling me, I would be much indebted. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -e missing over a quarter of installedpackages
On 16/8/03 3:11 am, "Ernie Schroder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 15 August 2003 09:19 pm, William Kenworthy wrote: >> What gives? >> >> rattus# emerge -e --deep world -p|wc >> 135 5345612 >> rattus# wc /var/cache/edb/world >> 608 608 11445 /var/cache/edb/world >> rattus# >> > Thast said, after reading your post I decided to try for myself to see > if there were discrepancies as you pointed out. > > # wc /var/cache/edb/world > 108 1082080 /var/cache/edb/world > # emerge -e --deep world -p|wc > 3881549 16617 > > I seem to be off in the other direction. What gives here? Your output is as expected (I read the 3rd field of `wc` to be number of lines). The world file contains only packages which have been explicitly emerged; the output of `emerge -e --deep world -p` contains also their dependencies and lines such as "These are the packages that I would merge..." I would not expect the world file to be longer than the output of `emerge -edp world`, unless that world file had been copied from another system (in which case, for some reason, `emerge -e` doesn't seem catch everything). Stroller. -- Enjoyed this post? Thanks for reading - please consider employing me! Technical support / system administration - CV available on request Linux / Unix / Windows / Mac OS X - UK or anywhere considered -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -e missing over a quarter of installedpackages
On 16/8/03 8:32 pm, "Peter Ruskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 16 Aug 2003 20:23, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
>> $ emerge -Duep world | grep ebuild | wc -l
>> 405
>>
>> $ wc -l /var/cache/edb/world
>> 327
>>
>> So this is accurately disproportionate. Correct?
>>
> Wrong.
>
> With `emerge -Duep world` you're saying to portage: "Pretend I have
> nothing installed. Now get me everything that's in
> /var/cache/edb/world, plus all ebuilds that they depend on."
$ emerge -e --deep world -p|wc && wc /var/cache/edb/world
177 7027330
54 541012 /var/cache/edb/world
I think "approximately the correct ratio" are good words to describe this
relationship. It looks like one might average between 0 & 4 dependencies per
package, which sounds about right. This doesn't allow for emerge messages
("these are the packages I would install").
We still haven't addressed the OP's (Mr Kenworthy) original issue - `emerge
-ed world` on his system wants to install less than 135 packages for the 608
in his world file. Unless he has some non-unique entries in his world file.
IMO he really needs to post that, if he wants to find out what's wrong.
OTOH, `emerge -pve `cat /var/cache/edb/world`` will probably recompile all
the packages on his system using the new optimisations in his make.conf,
which seems to have been his original intention.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Wierd and frustrating Gentoo install problems.
On 17/8/03 12:03 am, "Adam Scriven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried to move the current /usr and /var, and overwrite them with the new LVM > versions, but both were in use. As an experiment, instead of moving the > /usr.new and /var.new to /usr and /var, I simply sim-linked /usr to /usr.new, > and the same with var. > > This seemed to work OK, until I get this error: > ACCESS VIOLATION SUMMARY > LOG FILE = "/tmp/sandbox-fileutils-4.1.11-r1-4170.log > unlink:/usr.new/lib/cf4188/conftest9012345 > unlink:/usr.new/lib/cf4188/conftest9012346 > > The above log file only contains the two "unlink" lines above. > > I've read the LVM install page, but it assumes that you have a working version > of the LVM utilities at the partition and mounting phase, and I can't seem to > figure out a way to do that. I think that what you need to do is copy the contents of /usr & /var into your two logical volumes, edit fstab to point /usr & /var to those partitions & then reboot. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to install NPTL v0.55?
On Wednesday, 20 August 2003, at 4:41 pm, Loic Domaigne wrote: The next point I'm eager to try is NPTL. I would like to have the latest version available, namely 0.55 (the v0.28 available with glibc-2.3.2-r1 is too buggy for me). For this, I need to install glibc-2.3.2-r3. How should I proceed? From my understanding, a simple emerge glibc won't do the trick, since the current (stable) package version is 2.3.2-r1. emerge /usr/portage/sys-libs/glibc/glibc-2.3.2-r3.ebuild HTH Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT: Apache2 Configuration Questions
Hi, These questions are probably slightly off-topic, as they're not uniquely relevant to Gentoo as a distro, but I know how helpful & knowledgeable my fiends here are, and how long the Apache documentation is, so I thought I'd throw these questions to the floor and see if anyone has any quick tips. I've used Apache before, and found it easy to install simple webpages & sites under it, but I have not really dug much deeper than that. Following instructions at Gentoo.org I have installed Squirrelmail & that works fine - those instructions took care of the php & ssl stuff for me. I have recently got global DNS sorted for my LAN: I got a free subdomain of eu.org, and used Bind on my server to host the DNS entries (free secondary DNS from GraniteCanyon.com). So now the server in my airing cupboard is addressable as stroller.uk.eu.org. It is also addressable as www.stroller.uk.eu.org & foo.bar.uk.eu.org & anything-you-like-as-long-as-it-is-not-a-valid-hostname-on-my- lan.stroller.uk.eu.org. All my files are in /home/httpd/htdocs/somedirectory My first question is: is it possible to have apache return requests for stuff.stroller.uk.eu.org with /home/httpd/htdocs/stuff/index.html ? Is it possible to do this automagically for all foo.stroller.uk.eu.org bar.stroller.uk.eu.org & grunt.stroller.uk.eu.org ?? Secondly: is it possible to redirect http://mail.stroller.uk.eu.org to https://mail.stroller.uk.eu.org to ensure encryption..? (Actually, I'm sure the answer to both of these is "yes", so the real questions are "how do I do these things?";-]) Previous installations of Apache that I have had, have allowed me to browse to myserver.com/somedir/ and see a list of files to click on & download (or click on & view in the browser in the case off pictures) if there is no index.html in that directory. On my default Gentoo installation of Apache2 I get the message "Forbidden - You don't have permission to access /somedir/ on this server." How can I change this behavior..? I think it is best to enable directory contents listings on a per-directory basis. I've had problems with files with spaces in the names in the past before - when clicking on the link in the directory listing it the file won't download. IIRC this is something to do with the space character and %20. Can anyone tell me about this..? Finally, it's be kinda handy to arrange my webpages on a template basis: if Apache finds no index.html but does find content.txt it should dynamically create & display a page from cat'ting some predefined head.html with content.txt and a predefined tail.html. I believe that Apache's "server-side includes" does this. Is that correct, or am I much confused..? Does anyone have any pointers to suitable tutorials, or any helpful advice on this..? Many thanks for comments - I'm not (just) trying to skip my homework, but hopefully inviting discussion from the wise heads around here who can demonstrate their superior knowledge. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Apache2 Configuration Questions
On Friday, 22 August 2003, at 1:20 am, Owen Gunden wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 08:51:11PM +0100, Stroller wrote: Following instructions at Gentoo.org I have installed Squirrelmail & that works fine - those instructions took care of the php & ssl stuff for me. I forgot to mention that soon gentoo is going to implement a bit of a better web application installation framework. You might be interested. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0011.html Yes, I'd seen the discussion on -dev and glanced at it when i saw the announcement recently, but I don't really feel that I'm qualified to appreciate the advantages of the proposed structure (except that I'm used to /var/www) Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Apache2 Configuration Questions
On Friday, 22 August 2003, at 1:16 am, Owen Gunden wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 08:51:11PM +0100, Stroller wrote: My first question is: is it possible to have apache return requests for stuff.stroller.uk.eu.org with /home/httpd/htdocs/stuff/index.html ? Is it possible to do this automagically for all foo.stroller.uk.eu.org bar.stroller.uk.eu.org & grunt.stroller.uk.eu.org ?? Yes. For this you want to do some reading on name-based virtual hosts. I suggest [1]. There is probably an example in /etc/apache2/conf/vhosts/vhosts.conf (make sure this file is included by /etc/apache2/conf/apache2.conf). Secondly... Many thanks - I'll take a look at the resources you mention. For others who are interested, I've already found that this page http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/howto/ssi.html clarified muchly for me the concept of server-side includes. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email retrieval (was: cron and crontab)
On Friday, 22 August 2003, at 3:22 am, Spider wrote: Well, I think I'll take this moment to push a piece of documentation I wrote a while ago: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spider/local-mail-0.2.1/local-email.html That looks like a very good HOWTO - I was contemplating the building of mail-server like this: a friend has a small company on ADSL, and each of his employees connect to his ISP's mailserver for email, even when the message is sent from the next desk! This is only a problem when they send big files around the place, but there are other considerations (of accountability & long-term centralised mail storage), too. It seems like your HOWTO addresses that perfectly, except that you don't mention external delivery, I don't think. I take it messages for "joe" are delivered to local user joe, but for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" they should be handed to the ISP's server, via SMTP..? Presumably there are web-based tools for managing fetchmail & whathaveyou..? I'm trying to think what configuration my friend would need to do himself, should a new user or shared IMAP mailbox need adding. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Apache2 Configuration Questions
On Friday, 22 August 2003, at 10:17 am, Magnus Nordseth wrote: Stroller: My first question is: is it possible to have apache return requests for stuff.stroller.uk.eu.org with /home/httpd/htdocs/stuff/index.html ? Is it possible to do this automagically for all foo.stroller.uk.eu.org bar.stroller.uk.eu.org & grunt.stroller.uk.eu.org ?? I strongly recommend using dynamic vhosting for this. Look at http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/vhosts/mass.html for more info. Looks perfect! Thanks! Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] WOT:According to SUSE CEO we're not here?
On Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 1:24 am, Ernie Schroder wrote: SuSE's CEO Richard Seibt chose to demonstrate a high degree of arrogance. In response to CRN's question about Windows to Linux migration, Seibt insisted that "Linux means two companies: Red Hat and SuSE, and nobody else. http://www.distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20030818 Is Meister Seibt taking idiot lessons from SCO CEO Darl McBride? "Seibt: ... Look at the Unix operating system vendors.There's Hewlett-Packard, for instance, Sun Solaris andIBM with AIX and SCO. They all face competition fromMicrosoft Windows. ... If you think each of the named companies has to increase profitability each quarter, thenit is logical that they think about what the next steps are. It's my view that the industry has decided there is one main operating system competitor to Microsoft, and thatis Linux. Linux means two companies: Red Hat andSuSE, and nobody else. There will be no third distribution that will be supported by the large IT vendors. And from that perspective, even Novell decided not to compete anymore on operating systems. They now migrate all oftheir applications to Linux. This is a two-horse race between Linux and Windows." I think he's saying Gentoo doesn't exist in terms of outsourceable o/s support contacts. You can buy support from RedHat (and presumably SuSE) that you can't from Gentoo. Gentoo's non-static nature & dynamic updates also, I believe, make it difficult to justify in the enterprise marketplace. I read that article as the SuSE executives being quite aggressive in their marketing, presumably to sound comparably strong with RedHat, but to be fair I feel that the "arrogance" you describe could be a misunderstanding if English is not Herr Seibt's first language. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] WOT:According to SUSE CEO we're not here?
On Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 10:53 am, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 23 August 2003 18:38, Stroller wrote: I think he's saying Gentoo doesn't exist in terms of outsourceable o/s support contacts. You can buy support from RedHat (and presumably SuSE) that you can't from Gentoo. Gentoo's non-static nature & dynamic updates also, I believe, make it difficult to justify in the enterprise marketplace. Actually, the devs are working on at least two systems to make Gentoo more attractive to the enterprise. I subscribed to the gentoo-dev ML a couple of days ago and already have read about a system to help admins with security issues as well as a talk of "releases". Once that's done, Gentoo will become viable for the enterprise and outsourcableness (is that a word?) will soon follow. If you'd been signed up to -dev for 3 days, you'd see that I'm also subscribed, because I posted to the group on the 21st. ;-] I don't think anyone (or at least many folks) here would argue with the statement that Gentoo is a wonderful distro, and it's certainly getting better all the time. But I don't believe that GLEP #14 addresses the moving-target nature of Gentoo - if you `emerge sync` and find that you need a single security update, I believe it's possible that you will need to update more than one package; this surely implies the potential for a lengthy & involved etc-update process. Whilst this isn't a problem for me, I think it makes Gentoo unsuitable for the enterprise. Also important to enterprise is support for commercial software, which is usually supplied as pre-compiled binaries. These binaries are, as I understand it, compiled against particular versions of libraries, and may be incompatible with distros using other versions of said libraries. Whilst manufacturers are prepared to say "we support Mathematica on Linux for RedHat versions 7.1 & 8" (and perhaps also for SuSE), they cannot do so for Gentoo, as they do not know which libraries (or optimisations?) you have compiled on your systems. This may or may not be covered by another GLEP, as I am aware of that Gentoo "release trees" are often discussed as desirable, but certainly Gentoo would have to do a lot of catching-up with RedHat in the enterprise to have enough market-share to justify many commercial software houses supporting it. Perhaps the most significant factor is that Gentoo as a commercial entity isn't big enough for enterprise, and even claims to be going non-profit. I can see a good argument for choosing RedHat because they're big enough & wealthy enough to sue: although one might be unlikely to sue them, their size & commercial status mean they have a financial interest in ensuring reliability & software-integrity, and they have a corporate structure in place to manage their liability. If Daniel Robbins or a community of Linux hackers b0rk up your enterprise-scale systems, there's not much point in suing them, so they have no accountability to you. At the end of the day, however, I feel that little of this is important. It would be nice for me if Gentoo was found suitable for use by smaller businesses, consultants and system admins responsible for a few (or a few tens of) boxes. But the enterprise market is something else entirely, and undoubtedly shares few of my needs - I suspect that were Gentoo to go chasing this market it would risk becoming unsuitable for my purposes. Right now, it is perfect. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] WOT:According to SUSE CEO we're not here?
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel HTH, Stroller. On Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 12:04 pm, bob bob wrote: I'd be really interested in reading about this.. is the Dev ML archived somewhere I can get to it without having to sign up for the DEV ML ?? Actually, the devs are working on at least two systems to make Gentoo more attractive to the enterprise. I subscribed to the gentoo-dev ML a couple of days ago and already have read about a system to help admins with security issues as well as a talk of "releases". Once that's done, Gentoo will become viable for the enterprise and outsourcableness (is that a word?) will soon follow. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] auto Emerge world
On Saturday, 23 August 2003, at 11:42 pm, Terje Kvernes wrote: I've been running ~x86 on three boxes for a couple of months now, with the latest and greatest. things work surprisingly well, with some tidbits here and there requiring testes... I think you're saying it takes balls to run ~86..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage tree on a CD
On Monday, 25 August 2003, at 11:53 am, Ronald Landheer-Cieslak wrote: I'm looking to buy a CD(-set) containing the current (or 1.4) portage tree. I am *not* looking for pre-built binaries: I want to avoid having to download the distfiles as I have a simple modem connection and I want to update my installation (and install Lyx, which requires tetex, which is >50 MB with its dependencies) ...Any pointers? Do the pre-built CDs come with sources? Is there a source-only distro? On Tuesday, 22 July 2003, at 11:10 am, Stroller wrote: ...you may find this list positng from April interesting: On 17/4/03 2:38 pm, "Kurt Lieber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 02:11:37PM +0200 or thereabouts, Gour wrote: The entire distfiles tree is roughly 18GB, so no, it is not available on physical media at this point. There is one vendor, Hiiq Inc, that does sell a DVD which contains a subset of the distfiles tree for $10. I do not know exactly what is/isn't on that DVD -- you would need to talk to the vendor to get that info. http://www.hiiq.biz/store/index.php?manufacturers_id=10 HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] archives of mailing list
On Monday, 25 August 2003, at 18:39PM, Kenneth Macdonald Karlsen wrote: Where do i find archives of the mailing list on the web? I remember some threads about xmms and openoffice recently that i would like to check out. http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Linux 1.4 General Install Question
On Tuesday, 26 August 2003, at 06:38AM, Meph Istopheles wrote: My question has to do with partitions as well. I've been running the same /home partition on /dev/hdb1 for quite a few installs of RH. # df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 37G 3.4G 31G 10% / /dev/hda1 76M 15M 57M 21% /boot /dev/hdb1 12G 511M 10G 5% /home none 251M 0 251M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hdb2 13G 3.0G 9.3G 24% /backup /dev/hdd1 75G 20k 71G 1% /backup2 (/dev/hda1 is so big because I have a few different kernels in there) I'll be swapping the current /dev/hdd1 to be /dev/hda & the current /dev/hda. Now, I've been using DiskDruid for partitioning when I set up, & have used fdisk countless times on different drives for partitioning, but never during setup. Will the setup -- assuming, as it should, will find all drives & will set fstab to mount /dev/hdb1 as /home, or will I have to do that manually after first boot as root? Drive partitioning & mounting is something that Gentoo doesn't believe in doing automagically for you. It is covered in section 7 of the install docs: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml#doc_chap7 You should treat your partition layout just like /boot /usr & /var mentioned in the docs. Code listing 7.2 shows how to mount a typical simple partition layout from _within_ the InstallCD chroot. Let's edit this for your system (for the df -h above, not your proposed changes, because it's too early in the morning for me to absorb those right now): # mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/gentoo # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home # mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/gentoo/home # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/backup # mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt/gentoo/backup # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/backup2 # mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt/gentoo/backup2 Editing fstab is mentioned later in the same document: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml#doc_chap15 Code listing 15.1: /dev/BOOT /boot ext2 noauto,noatime 1 2 /dev/ROOT / ext3 noatime 0 1 /dev/SWAP noneswap sw 0 0 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults0 0 "... of course be sure to replace "BOOT", "ROOT" and "SWAP" with the actual block devices you are using (such as hda1, etc.)" So on your system: /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 noauto,noatime 1 2 /dev/hda2 / ext3 noatime 0 1 /dev/hdb1 /home reiserfs noatime 0 3 /dev/hdb2 /backup reiserfs noatime 0 3 /dev/hdd1 /backup2reiserfs noatime 0 3 /dev/SWAP noneswap sw 0 0 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults0 0 HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] resolving network name
On Wednesday, 27 August 2003, at 07:22AM, Tom Hosiawa wrote: I have two computers behind a Linksys router that runs as a dhcp server, I'm wondering how I can make the computer name resolve to its ip address? For example, if I want to ping my desktop I can just go "ping desktop_name" rather then "ping 192.168.1.100" What model is the Linksys router..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fetchmail Problem... I think
On Tuesday, 26 August 2003, at 13:32PM, Angel Gabriel wrote: Each time I use fetchmail on this one system, mail never seems to be delivered locally. Even when I send mail from one user to the next it says mail sending, but nothing ever seems to arrive. I use postfix, (naturally), and I'm very confused, how would I go about debugging this You provide too little information to provide useful help. ESR explains how to ask questions better in this article: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise Do you run fetchmail as user or as a daemon..? What does your .fetchmailrc say..? (Post it complete as an attachment, having edited your passwords) What does it say when you run `fetchmail -v -v`..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fetchmail Problem... I think
On Wednesday, 27 August 2003, at 14:57PM, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: snip This is my fetchmailrc # Configuration created Tue Aug 19 09:09:30 2003 by fetchmailconf set postmaster "user" set bouncemail set no spambounce set properties "" set daemon 60 poll pop3.lycos.co.uk with proto POP3 user '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' there with password 'mailpassword' is 'user' here snip When i run this mail gets's fetched, but it dissappears, no longer on the pop server, just gone. I think you should add "keep" at the end of your .fetchmailrc : ...'user' here keep until your problem is solved, so at least the mail stays in the server "fetchall" would probably also be handy for him, so that he can repeatedly test his setup. Gabriel: please run fetchmail with the `-v -v` options, and post the optput. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Linux 1.4 General Install Question
On Tuesday, 26 August 2003, at 19:45PM, Meph Istopheles wrote: Morning Stroller, Now, I've been using DiskDruid for partitioning when I set up, & have used fdisk countless times on different drives for partitioning, but never during setup... Drive partitioning & mounting is something that Gentoo doesn't believe in doing automagically for you. Sounds good. I wonder though, does Stage 3 install offer a screen for editing fstab? Erm... when I last installed one used a text editor, `nano -w /etc/fstab`. I believe vi is also now included on the install CDs. Code listing 7.2 shows how to mount a typical simple partition layout from _within_ the InstallCD chroot. Ah, chroot. I've only used this during rescue operations with RH. It'll be odd having to do this as a part of install, but that's cool. Let's edit this for your system (for the df -h above, not your proposed changes, because it's too early in the morning for me to absorb those right now): # mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/gentoo # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/home # mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/gentoo/home # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/backup # mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt/gentoo/backup # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/backup2 # mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt/gentoo/backup2 This is something which caught my eye when I was skimming the docs: /mnt/gentoo. Is this a system thing, or is there a time one will actually be editing docs & have to remember that /mnt/gentoo... is required as opposed to /, which is all I've done with RH, slack & FreeBSD? I think someone else already answered this, but I can't find it, so excuse me if I'm reiterating: These directories are created _inside the InstallCD environment_ which is a Unix filesystem on a CD-ROM. /mnt/gentoo is relative only to _this_ filesystem, and not to your root hard-disk. Once you chroot into /mnt/gentoo /dev/hda2 becomes /, /mnt/gentoo/boot becomes /boot and so on. This is just as it is when you boot up the system for the first time. Gentoo is hence just like BSD & the other Linux distros you are familiar with. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] resolving network name
On Wednesday, 27 August 2003, at 19:39PM, Tom Hosiawa wrote: I have two computers behind a Linksys router that runs as a dhcp server, I'm wondering how I can make the computer name resolve to its ip address? For example, if I want to ping my desktop I can just go "ping desktop_name" rather then "ping 192.168.1.100" What model is the Linksys router..? Stroller. Its the linksys BEFW11S4 My last router, quite an old Efficient Networks model, had some tools which made this sort of admin at the router fairly straightforward. One could set the DHCP server to associate IP address with MAC address (ie: always to allocate the same IP address to the same machine), and it had an internal DNS server that one could use to associate names with IP addresses. This allowed `ping desktop` and `ping pornpipe` (the router) exactly as you require. Looking at the manual at ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pdf/befw11s4ug.pdf I was surprised to find that _neither_ of these facilities seem to be mentioned. Consequently I recommend you allocate a static IP to your desktop within the same subnet as it is currently, by editing /etc/conf.d/net.eth0; then either run DNS on your Gentoo box (say by emerging bind), or more simply (as others have suggested) by entering the IP addresses of various machines in your /etc/hosts file. The one good thing to be said for a Windows network is that these steps are unnecessary - Client For MS Networks seems to take care of hostname -> IP translation for hosts discovered by broadcast on the network. You might investigate Samba to see if it has these capabilities. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] resolving network name
On Thursday, 28 August 2003, at 05:41AM, Stroller wrote: On Wednesday, 27 August 2003, at 19:39PM, Tom Hosiawa wrote: I have two computers behind a Linksys router that runs as a dhcp server, I'm wondering how I can make the computer name resolve to its ip address? For example, if I want to ping my desktop I can just go "ping desktop_name" rather then "ping 192.168.1.100" ... The one good thing to be said for a Windows network is that these steps are unnecessary - Client For MS Networks seems to take care of hostname -> IP translation for hosts discovered by broadcast on the network. You might investigate Samba to see if it has these capabilities. FYI: unless I am misunderstanding what WINS is, section 7 (Name Resolution Options) of /etc/samba/smb.conf suggests that such a configuration is possible under Linux. I think you could perhaps find the solution simply by emerging & configuring this package - but if you have never configured Samba before, it can be a little tricky! HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Switching to and from Dvorak keymap?
On 30 Aug 2003, at 10:59 am, Owen Ford wrote: I guess I should have included this very helpful link as well :) http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue33/ayers_kbd.html If you need any more help, feel free to email me off-list. NO! Please keep in ON-list. This is interesting & useful! Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] imap-pop3 not working
On 30 Aug 2003, at 8:23 am, Daniel Guerrero wrote: ... I can't login to imap/pop3; I have to use pop3 because it seem the firewall of the school don't make me access to the port of imap; I have tried to login with telnet, with the password in the "clear" field of mysql; but I can't login, imap don't say anything, just close the connection; pop3 says can't login; what do you think this could be..? Unfortunately you do not specify explicitly the steps you have taken to install the software, or much of the troubleshooting you have done already. This article is blunt but helpful in these respects: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The only think I can think of: have you tried: # /etc/init.d/courier-pop3d start and # /etc/init.d/courier-imapd start on the server..? Alternatively, have you added them to the default run-level. What does # /etc/init.d/courier-pop3d status say..? and last; this is surely a config that I haven't reached, but how could I configure squirrelmail to manage the local user accounts? (I haven't check a lot but it seem to be working the local mail accounts), and could I use squirremail to manage multiple domains, I think the answer is yes... but how. If you search Freshmeat for "courier" you will find a number of web-based front-ends for managing courier-imap (and other mail servers). You'd have to check which of these are in portage. Los grandes espiritus siempre encuentran una violenta oposición en mentes mediocres. A. Einstein I didn't know Einstein spoke Spanish. I guess you learn something new everyday. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to determine what installed...
On 1 Sep 2003, at 9:40 pm, Ben Kennedy wrote: For example... /usr/sbin/sendmail exists on my system. I want to know which package provided that. In particular, I want to install courier- mta. So I would like to first figure out who put sendmail there, and unmerge that package if appropriate. Are you sure you have sendmail installed, however..? The mistake I had made when I felt aggrieved that someone had installed sendmail on mysystem was that I didn't realise this: $ ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Mar 3 23:21 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /usr/sbin/ssmtp `man ssmpt` says: "ssmtp is a send-only sendmail emulator... It provides the functionality required for humans and programs to send mail via the standard or /usr/bin/mail user agents" I believe that ssmtp is "more secure" than sendmail, because it doesn't listen on port 25 (or any other network ports!) but only allows delivery from the local machine outwards to the net. I *think* that ssmpt is part of base-layout, or of some other package which nearly everything depends upon and which consequently gets emerged early on nearly any system. Please post & let me know how you get along with courier-mta. I use the cut-down courier-imap server, along with the courier maildrop mta, but I use Squirrelmail for webmail. I believe net-mail/courier (if this is what you intend using) uses it's own webmail environment, and would be interested to hear how you find this, as it might be suitable for a future project. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Blatantly OT: Secondary DNS Exchange
This is blatantly OT, but in the last few weeks I've managed to get global DNS sorted for my /29 home LAN and my stroller.uk.eu.org domain (& for my various hosts in that domain!). If you are always-on with a static IP address, and want a little project then I'd highly recommend it - getting my own domain name with the ability to fully administrate it on my own Gentoo Bind server, for a total cost of £0 (that's $0, zilch, nada, nothing) really appealed to the Lancastrian chromosomes I got from my father. Check out http://eu.org for scanty details. There is a problem, however: my secondary DNS services are currently being provided by Granite Canyon, and as explained in this URL <http://tinyurl.com/melw> (if you're really interested) it seems I can't get them carry reverse-lookups for me. This shouldn't matter, but it's bugging me. My solution to this is to try & find someone else to host my secondary, but I don't seem to be able to find other organisation that does free DNS with zone transfers. I think this is what is required for me to retain central control over somemachine.stroller.uk.eu.org someothermachine.stroller.uk.eu.org &c ad infinitum. I have contemplated doing a secondary swap with someone at http://ns2exchange.com/thelist.asp but I don't know anyone there. I'm sure they're all reliable people, but I'm extremely conscious that don't want a secondary who isn't going to disappear on me when they decide to reinstall or move ISP (& IP address). It occurred to me, then, that I trust & feel I can rely on members of the Gentoo community: Does anyone here run their own Bind server, who wants to host DNS secondary for me, on an exchange basis..? I was getting uptimes in monthly figures when my server was on Mandrake, and I don't see how that should change significantly since I migrated it to Gentoo a couple of months ago, so you're likely to get reliable service from me. If there was enough interest, we could even form the Unofficial Gentoo-User Secondary-DNS Cabal (tm) which would, with several of us providing secondary DNS for each other, provide pretty reasonable redundancy, I reckon. Any offers, or comments..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] telnet & qpkg
I tried to test a server by telnetting to its appropriate port today to find that `telnet`is not installed on my system. I do not know if I've tried to use it on Gentoo before, so tried to find it using the `locate` command. [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ locate telnet | grep bin /usr/bin/ktelnet /usr/sbin/ktelnetd [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ qpkg -i /usr/sbin/ktelnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ qpkg -i /usr/sbin/ktelnetd [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ grep telnet /var/cache/edb/world [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ Are these results normal..? Am I using `qpkg` incorrectly..? I find that `ktelnet`is a CLI telnet app (I do not have KDE installed on this system), and presumably ktelnetd is correspondingly a daemon, but I have no idea how they got there - I always ssh into this system. Is it possible I've been hacked..? ktelnetd does not _seem_ to be running. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] telnet & qpkg
On 11 Sep 2003, at 4:59 am, Dan Foster wrote: I think you want the telnet-bsd ebuild for telnet. Thank you. (I don't use telnet to login to systems; I usually use it as a diagnostics tool -- ie, telnet to a server on port 389, 110, 443, 8080, etc. as needed.) That's exactly why I wanted it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ qpkg -i /usr/sbin/ktelnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ qpkg -i /usr/sbin/ktelnetd I think you want to do this instead: $ qpkg -f /usr/bin/ktelnet From the qpkg man page: Package Selection: -f, --find-file Finds package that owns file Duh! That was a dumb typo of mine! That was *exactly* what I intended. So: [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ qpkg -f /usr/bin/ktelnet app-crypt/krb5 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ qpkg -f /usr/bin/ktelnetd [EMAIL PROTECTED] stroller $ Two questions remain: - Why does app-crypt/krb5 (kerberos?) rely on what appears to be a telnet app..? - Where has /usr/bin/ktelnetd come from, and why doesn't qpkg show me..? P.S. I'd highly recommend sending mail from an address other than 'root' :-) I think you'll find it's a virtually-hosted domain. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] IP address of a DNS
On 13 Sep 2003, at 3:53 am, Trey Sizemore wrote: I need help finding the IP address of a DNS. Of any DNS in particular..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] IP address of a DNS
On 13 Sep 2003, at 9:08 am, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Joshua Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | If your trying to query and find info on a particular DNS domain then | you would use the NSLOOKUP | utility..Lots of stuff on google on howto use for NSLOOKUP.. FWIW, nslookup is deprecated. It's better to use 'host', which is in net-misc/host. I never understand this: I'm sure it is possible to get `dig` to behave less verbosely, but it always seems to display for more information than I require. Even with the "this program is depreciated" message, I find the output of `nslookup` far more convenient. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Choice of Kernel Sources
There seem to have been a couple of threads recently regarding recompilation of kernels & whatnot, so I thought this would be a good opportunity to start a new thread on "what's the best sources?" I think this has been mentioned in the forums in the past, but I don't read them much. Besides, I'm sure this list can discuss matters better. ;-] What I'm personally after is the best sources for a headless general-purpose server: all it does is serve mail, DNS & a few webpages, and crunches away in the background at Seti when it's not busy, so it doesn't have to be hardened or anything superlatively special. I would like to upgrade to 2.4.21 for reasons of paranoia, tho', as I'm using 2.4.20 vanilla sources at the moment. Gentoo-sources are tweaked, as I understand it, for interactivity - switching between applications quickly, like you would on your desktop - so I think that for my server they would give (fractionally) poorer performance. I'd be kinda tempted to try RedHat sources, as I seem to recall hearing they performed well in tests, Has anyone got any comments or suggestions..? Stroller. -- Here's the full list; I `emerge sync`d a couple of days ago: $ emerge -s sources | grep -E '(sources|available)' [ Results for search key : sources ] * sys-kernel/aa-sources Latest version available: 2.4.22-r1 Description: Full sources for Andrea Arcangeli's Linux kernel * sys-kernel/ac-sources Latest version available: 2.4.22-r1 Description: Full sources for Alan Cox's Linux kernel * sys-kernel/alpha-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.21-r1 Description: Full sources for the Gentoo Linux Alpha kernel * sys-kernel/arm-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.19-r1 Description: Full sources for the ARM/Linux kernel * sys-kernel/ck-sources Latest version available: 2.4.22-r1 Description: Full sources for the Stock Linux kernel Con Kolivas's high performance patchset * sys-kernel/compaq-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.9.32.7 * sys-kernel/development-sources Latest version available: 2.6.0_beta5 Description: Full sources for the Development Branch of the Linux kernel * sys-kernel/gaming-sources Latest version available: 2.4.20-r3 Description: Full sources for the Gentoo gaming-optimized kernel * sys-kernel/gentoo-sources Latest version available: 2.4.20-r6 Description: Full sources for the Gentoo Kernel. * sys-kernel/grsec-sources Latest version available: 2.4.22.1.9.12 Description: Vanilla sources of the linux kernel with the grsecurity 1.9.12 patch * sys-kernel/gs-sources Latest version available: 2.4.22_pre2 * sys-kernel/hardened-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.20-r4 * sys-kernel/hppa-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.22_p6 Description: Full sources for the Linux kernel with patch for hppa * sys-kernel/hppa-sources-dev [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.21_p10 Description: Full sources for the Linux kernel with patch for hppa * sys-kernel/mips-prepatch-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.22_rc2-r1 Description: Linux-Mips CVS pre-patch sources for MIPS-based machines * sys-kernel/mips-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.22-r1 Description: Linux-Mips CVS sources for MIPS-based machines * sys-kernel/mm-sources Latest version available: 2.6.0_beta4-r6 Description: Full sources for the development linux kernel with Andrew Morton's patchset * sys-kernel/mosix-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.20 Description: Full sources for the Gentoo Mosix Linux kernel * sys-kernel/openmosix-sources Latest version available: 2.4.22 Description: Full sources for the Gentoo openMosix Linux kernel * sys-kernel/pfeifer-sources Latest version available: 2.4.20.1_pre11 Description: Full sources for the experimental Gentoo Kernel. Patches from here may move into sys-kernel/gentoo-sources * sys-kernel/ppc-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.21-r2 Description: Full sources for the Gentoo Kernel. * sys-kernel/ppc-sources-benh [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.22-r2 * sys-kernel/ppc-sources-crypto [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.20 Description: Full cryptoapi enabled sources for the Gentoo Linux PPC kernel * sys-kernel/ppc-sources-dev [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.21 Description: Full developmental sources for the Gentoo Linux PPC kernel - Experimental! * sys-kernel/redhat-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.20.2.48-r1 * sys-kernel/rsbac-sources [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.4.20 * sys-kernel/selinux-sources Latest version available: 2.4.21 *
Re: [gentoo-user] advice regarding LVM needed
On 15 Sep 2003, at 2:05 pm, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 15. September 2003 15:04 schrieb Collins Richey: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the 2.6 kernel dropped support for LVM, and thus EVMS is now the only way to fly? Both LVM2 and EVMS2 use Sistina's Device Mapper which has been integrated into 2.6 in favor of LVM1. Sorry. I don't understand what you just said. 8-\ I think LVM2 is supposed to be backwards compatible with LVM1. Is that right..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How-to trouble shoot emerge/ebuild error messages...
bash-2.05b#less make.defaults USE="x86 oss apm arts avi berkdb crypt cups encode foomaticdb gdbm gif gpm gtk imlib java jpeg kde gnome libg++ libwww mad mikmod mmx motif mpeg ncurses nls oggvorbis opengl pam pdflib png python qt quicktime readline sdl slang spell ssl svga tcpd truetype X xml2 xmms xv zlib" ARCH="x86" COMPILER="gcc3" ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86" Better to simply look at the output of 'emerge info' Again, I think it's better to look at make.defaults. At least then you know where the use flags are coming from. I think it's better to look at `emerge info`: it is in /etc/make.conf that any changes should be made, users are discouraged from changing make.defaults. Encouraging users to look in make.defaults to see where "their" defaults come from fosters the risk of them editing it. Joshua: you might find `emerge ufed` useful for helping you edit your USE flags. I always run `emerge -upv somefile` before emerging it for real - the -v flag tells you which USE flags it wants to use. HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] small network
On 17 Sep 2003, at 7:43 am, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: OK I will be more specific: I just want to transfer files from my pc to my laptop, or make backups of one on the other. I have tried to do that with a cable (rj45 as it's called in France) connecting them, but then I could figure out what to do. There is some utility in KDE but I could not make it work This is why I believe I need a howto; I am currently reading the NET-HOWTO but any other advice will be welcome You probably want to install Samba (SMB), then. This is an implementation of Microsoft filesharing for Linux, and will allow you to drag & drop files on your PC to & from your Linux box; I would imagine that KDE / Gnome also allow drag & drop of files on SMB shares, or you can mount Windows shares at the command-line on your Linux box. First, as someone else has pointed out, you need to ensure that the two machines are connected via the RJ45 cable (as it's also called elsewhere). You need to allocate each machine a different IP address on the same subnet - something like 192.168.1.5 & 192.168.1.6, subnet mask 255.255.255.0 - then `ping` between them. When I first started networking I found Helmig's HOWTO for Windows useful: http://wown.com/ For configuring Samba: http://tinyurl.com/nnpz HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT networking question
On 6 Sep 2003, at 1:52 am, Spider wrote: begin quote On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Marshal Newrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Ernie Schroder wrote: As far as measuring bandwidth, there's a program called 'bing' (which is not in portage) which will determine the available bandwidth between twopoints. I'm sure there's many good programs in net-analyzer as well which do things like that. Lets play some homebrew stuff here: on the server: dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1M count=100 nc -l -p < testfile; on the client: time nc server >/dev/null ; Repeat three or four times for good measure. Sorry for replying to this so late - I seem to have some latency with my POP3 server & this has only just come through. But I don't seem to have `nc` installed. What is it, please, and what package might I find it in..? Thanks, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] "etc-update" versus Manual update opinions..
On 17 Sep 2003, at 1:24 pm, Gwendolyn van der Linden wrote: brett holcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you use etc-update on files like /etc/fstab your system will break. Exactly. I would vote for keeping /etc/fstab.example in portage, and making the copying/editing part of the installation procedure (cp /etc/fstab.example /etc/fstab; nano -w /etc/fstab). I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if this was changed, were you to file it as a bug. I'm cross posting to gentoo-dev to see what they think. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distcc requires xfree ???
On 17 Sep 2003, at 2:02 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I thought I should try out distcc on three hardware-challenged and absolutely identical computers. emerge -p distcc shows a requirement of xfree (???) You should always run `emerge -pv filename` to see what USE flags Portage proposes using. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] mlDonkey - new install - questions & bugs?
Hello, all, I've recently emerge'd mlDonkey, and very pleased with it I am, too. I have shared the /home/p2p/.mldonkey/incoming folder by Samba, so I can collect completed files over the LAN, but this has raised a couple of questions: - How do I change the umask that mlDonkey writes files with..? I want files world (or at least group) writable, so I can delete them over SMB from my workstation when I've moved them somewhere else. - Looking to fix this, I noticed that files in this directory were owned by the user p2p, so took a look in /etc/passwd for this user. Looking at some of the entries: apache:x:81:81:apache:/home/httpd:/bin/false portage:x:250:250:portage:/var/tmp/portage:/bin/false guest:x:405:100:guest:/dev/null:/dev/null nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/:/bin/false stroller:x:1000:100:Joe Stroller[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/stroller:/bin/bash proftpd:x:1001:408::/home/ftp:/bin/false p2p:x:1002:100::/home/p2p:/bin/bash sshd:x:22:22:sshd:/var/empty:/dev/null - Should proftpd & p2p really be high user numbers..? Shouldn't they be low, below 500 like apache & portage..? - Shouldn't p2p's login shell be set to /bin/false..? (I thought /bin/true was more correct, but every other daemon uses /bin/false, so I'm happy with that). - Is this a bug, should I file it..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mlDonkey - new install - questions & bugs?
On 19 Sep 2003, at 4:54 am, Carl Hudkins wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:12:49 +0100, Stroller wrote: - How do I change the umask that mlDonkey writes files with..? I want files world (or at least group) writable, so I can delete them over SMB from my workstation when I've moved them somewhere else. There may be a better way, but I'd just use "chmod" for this. If the directory is owned by p2p of group p2p, and you use "chmod 6766 incoming", then all new files created there by any user (except root) will be owned by user p2p.p2p and have modes 766 (rwxrw-rw-) Ah! Excellent! I didn't know hat `chmod` worked like this. Many thanks, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage snapshot
On 19 Sep 2003, at 3:41 pm, David wrote: Does anyone know of a mirror that has a portage snapshot after portage-20030914.tar.bz2 I've been looking for days for a newer snapshot after reading about the recent update to openssh. I can't emerge sync because of the firewall I'm behind so a new snapshot is my only hope. If no-one else has offered already, let me know if you'd like me to send you an up-to-date .tar of my Portage tree. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Scripting Error?
On 21 Sep 2003, at 2:07 pm, johnlowell wrote: Dane Elwell wrote: That file is /etc/issue. Dane, Many thanks for your response!! A quick look at /etc/issue in both the effected machine and one of the uneffected ones shows the following difference: Effected machine: This is \n. \O (\s \m \r) \t Uneffected machine: This is \n. \o (\s \m \r) \t Changing the "O" to "o" fixes the problem. I haven't followed the rest of this thread, but I observed that /etc/issue on my machine changed to "This is \n.\O (\s \m \r) \t" in an update of world (baselayout?) 2 or 3 days ago. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage masked problem
On 20 Sep 2003, at 9:11 pm, Eric Marchionni wrote: when i try to emerge enemy-territory on my dell notebook it shows up as masked. though on my desktop system the same ebuild isn't masked. even a ACCEPT_KEYWORDS x86 doesn't help. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/12397 I get the impression from this posting that the developers of "Enemy Territory" are requesting significant changes to Gentoo's ebuild for this game, which may not be practical. The impression I get is that ID games require that no changes be made to their installers, and that their installer allows the user to choose where in the filesystem files are located; this makes package-management via Portage impossible. If this is not the case, then I apologise - I'm sure one of the devs will step up & correct me. I see the very bottom of this posting says: > I was just made aware of the issue with Enemy Territory and the EULA as > it concerns Gentoo. As the maintainer of this package, I would like to > work with you on a resolution. At this time, I have blocked the package > from installing in portage until a resolution can be made... > Chris Gianelloni I guess more details will become clear shortly. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up ../distfiles from make.conf
On 23 Sep 2003, at 2:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either I have to have a "per client" ../distfiles directory on the nfs server wich creates an enormous redundancy... Or, I share the single ../distfiles directory between all 13 computers, with all potential concurrency problems that would bring in to the soup. Could you explain what concurrency issues you anticipate, please..? I think that in this situation it's advisable to ensure that no two machines `emerge sync` at the same time, but that is easily controlled. One might also need to `emerge -fu world` on one machine before actually `emerge -u`ing all other machines, however this is again fairly trivial. Both could be managed by a midnight cron job, for instance. Marius's emerge wrapper is constructive. I just can't understand why it would be so difficult to create a flag for this in make.conf. The default value would typically be to keep the distfiles. This was discussed on -dev last month, without a massive consensus. http://tinyurl.com/octt A script is, however, given that (with some discretion, I think) deletes files in this directory as you require; this script could of course also be cron'd. Clearly the important factor is that a script which removes files from .../distfiles/ should not facilitate a user placing anything more than insignificant additional load on the volunteer mirrors & file-servers who give their bandwidth to Gentoo & the OSS community. I think that the reason no huge consensus was reached regarding this on -dev when it was last discussed is that it's not sufficiently interesting or useful enough to anyone involved that they might wish to incorporate it into Portage (which is, by all accounts, a large & complicated piece of code as it is). Feel free to supply a patch. As Daniel recently said at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/12236/ , "The goal of Gentoo is to design tools and systems that allow a user to do their work pleasantly and efficiently as possible, as *they* see fit." And also "If the tool forces the user to do things a particular way, then the tool is working against, rather than for, the user." Please excuse my skepticism: I do not wish to critisise our beloved leader, however this statement rang out of true for me when he originally posted it. Surely the goal of ANY distro or operating system is "to design tools and systems that allow a user to do their work pleasantly and efficiently as possible, as they see fit"..? Surely ANY o/s or distro should aspire to such perfection in all matters..? However this world is one of compromises, and it is difficult enough to describe eloquently enough one's idea of "pleasant and efficient" in English, let alone in code. Now implement your code such that it is powerful & flexible enough to do things ANY way that ANY user requires, and I think you will be coding until Judgment Day. I think that the consequence of each & every distro aspiring to such perfection is that each takes different approaches & hence different compromises, suitable for different types of user. Gentoo never forces you to do anything a particular way, because you have access to the source-code, and you can change that. By default, I think, Gentoo is most suitable for users who have a particular design & engineering 'philosophy'; it provides "tools and systems that allow" such a user "to do their work pleasantly and efficiently as possible, as *they* see fit." I think that such a user would decide that it is easy enough to implement what you require with the tools resources you have been advised of in this thread, rather than trying to reimplement it themselves in any other way Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] File is corrupt or incomplete.
First remove /usr/portage/distfiles//font-arial-iso-8859-1.tar.bz2 then comment out your MIRRORS line in make.conf & try again. Stroller. On 23 Sep 2003, at 3:45 pm, Chris wrote: I have been trying to install mplayer on my home machine. It appears to be down to the final file. I have already dl it from 2 diff places. Any suggestions? !!! File is corrupt or incomplete. (Digests do not match) our recorded digest: 1ecd31d17b51f16332b1fcc7da36b312 your file's digest: 6c3f032ddf401ca522900291de03fee5 !!! File does not exist: /usr/portage/distfiles//font-arial-iso-8859-1.tar.bz2 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up ../distfiles from make.conf
On 23 Sep 2003, at 4:03 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you explain what concurrency issues you anticipate, please..? Simply that two (or more) clients would try to download and _store_ the same file at the same time... could also be that one or more client believes it is already downloaded because the first bytes were just downloaded by another client. The clients will not download a file if only part exists - the md5sum of the downloaded file will not be valid & the emerge will fail. Both could be managed by a midnight cron job, for instance. Let me clarify that: I think that in this situation it's advisable to ensure that no two machines `emerge sync` at the same time... also need to `emerge -fu world` ...however this... could be managed by a midnight cron job, for instance. I feel unhappy with automatic system updates. Should etc-update be executed automatically after the emerge or not? Should every operator check his/her computer every morning to see if en etc-update gives something to do? The `emerge --update` is done separately - no-one sensible would advise system updates without manual intervention. However if all the files are stored on one machine & exported over NFS, then it is expedient to have that machine do the fetching of all files. A cron job to `emerge sync && emerge -fud world` does NO installation or upgrading of any systems - it only updates the local portage database & fetches the updates you require. It would, I would think, be quite easy to unshare the NFS export before getting the files, and reshare it afterwards, as part of the cron job. If this is done at 4am, then it is likely to cause little interruption to service in most environments. A script is, however, given that (with some discretion, I think) deletes files in this directory as you require; this script could of course also be cron'd. That's great, except that it has to be _procedurally_ syncronized again. We wouldn't want to run this script before the emerge had finished, would we? I don't think this should be a problem if it only deletes distfiles which are over (say) a month old. But I haven't examined that script; I think it would also be possible to go something involving `qpkg -I -v` and a less-than statement. I don't quite see what your problem is with a 'procedural" solution: you can use cron to only get files on odd days of the month, and only delete old ones (I think) on even days. The only intervention necessary is to install them, which is as it should be. IMHO, any deletion of ../distfiles/* should happen in the end of an emerge sequence. But again, that's just an opinion. Well, I think you should be able to write a wrapper script called `myemerge` which simply calls emerge with the same parameters as those with which it was itself invoked, then empties distfiles for you. I hope you forgive me expressing my opinion - I think you're making a problem out of nothing with this. I see quite simple solutions using bash scripting which will get you what you want. Whilst it might seem a little kludgy to have to do things yourself, and that it might be nice to have the facilities you describe built into Portage when it eventually gets completely rewritten, I think that scripting solutions are quite adequate in the circumstances. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo on a 4G drive?
On 23 Sep 2003, at 7:53 pm, Joshua Banks wrote: I ran into a problem when trying to install Gentoo on a 4gig drive. ... I configured the drive with the following: Primary hda1 boot +64M "Ext3" Primary hda2 swap +128M Primary hda3 root + the rest of whats left of the drive. "Reiserfs" *** After downloading the 94M i686 stage3.tar.bz2 file and doing an "emerge sync" per the directions at stage 9 of the install guide, I was prompted to make sure to get the latest version of "Portage" installed before installing anything else basically. So before doing a "emerge system" I ran through the rest of the install guide; rebooted; ejected CD and now I'm booting off the HD. At this point I login with user name and password. . /etc/profile su and then did a "emerge -u system" and it updated the Portage version and then started compiling the files for the baselayout and some others that I can't remember off the top of my head. ...I started to get some kind of error that I ran out of disk space and it kept repeating this over and over. For a binary distro, 4gig should be LOADS of space. For Gentoo it seems to be adequate, but kinda tight. You should be able to determine for yourself, on one of your other machines, how much space is being consumed by the Portage tree & by distfiles. You may be surprised. Since then I Fdisked the drive... I do wish you hadn't done that before this: and started over again and I've configured the drive with the same settings above. You could have saved some trouble. I'm downloading this image right now so I wanted to get an idea of what I need to do so that this doesn't happen again. What image are you now downloading & why..? You should be able to do quite an adequate install using a Gentoo CD that is even some months old! Has anyone else ran into this type of issue and if so what do I need to do to overcome my drive not running out of space? Yes! You can delete anything you don't need! Start with that 94Meg "stage3.tar.bz2", as soon as you've unpacked it. Next time it stalls, delete everything out of distfiles, and try `emerge -up world --resume`. It's quite possible that you have the full source in distfiles for 2 different versions of Portage, baselayout, gcc & gcclib. Once you have deleted the old ones you should have enough space to compile the new ones. Also check out the contents of /tmp - with copious use of the `du` command you should be able to work out for yourself what is consuming space - I am sure that with a 4gig drive it will be possible to pare things down enough to get up to date. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up ../distfiles from make.conf
On 23 Sep 2003, at 7:18 pm, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: The `emerge --update` is done separately - no-one sensible would advise system updates without manual intervention. However if all the files are stored on one machine & exported over NFS, then it is expedient to have that machine do the fetching of all files. A cron job to `emerge sync && emerge -fud world` does NO installation or upgrading of any systems - it only updates the local portage database & fetches the updates you require. It would, I would think, be quite easy to unshare the NFS export before getting the files, and reshare it afterwards, as part of the cron job. If this is done at 4am, then it is likely to cause little interruption to service in most environments. Besides I share your opinion, that shell-scripting is an adequate way of cleaning distfiles, I must admit, that a cron-job, which calls emerge sync && emerge -fud world only makes sense on a shared .../distfiles, if and only if all machines sharing this, have the same packages installed. Given I have a server w/o X and such and some desktop machines naturally with this things. The share resides on the server, because this is the only machine 24/7 up. How could an update of X, KDE etc happen and use already downloaded files? When the desktops call emerge -ud world parallel, wouldn't that cause problems? Am I missing something? I'd love to do it this way, but I found no workaround for this problem yet. You are right - in this scenario, if 2 desktops `emerge -u world` simultaneously to the shared directory then they will collide on fetches of new files not in the world file of the server. So in this instance something more sophisticated is required. My personal approach would be, then, to hold copies of the "world" file for each desktop machine on the master server machine - something like /var/cache/edb/world then /var/cache/edb/world.machine2 /var/cache/edb/world.machine3 & so on. A cron job (on each desktop) backs these up at a suitable time each day before the desktop users leave for the evening & switch their machines down (you could even add it to the shutdown sequence, I guess). Now, I'm no Bash guru, so I have to recommend the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide, which is a free download from the LDP; chapter 10 covers lists, and examples 10-3 & 10-4 suggest that one could then proceed something like: #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/emerge sync ; for application in `cat /var/cache/edb/world*` do /usr/bin/emerge -uf $application done I guess there might be a bug in the way this script handles `quotes` and substitution of * on the 2nd line, but I'm sure one could fix this - hopefully you get the point. One could also concatenate all the files into a pipe before uniquely `sort`ing them, so that `emerge -f` isn't called repeatedly for files which have already been downloaded. But these are details. I think this would, loosely speaking, work in such a way that the master server downloads all the files that will be later be emerged on the desktops. Hope this makes sense, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Cleaning up ../distfiles from make.conf
On 23 Sep 2003, at 9:42 pm, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: systems - it only updates the local portage database & fetches the updates you require. It would, I would think, be quite easy to unshare the NFS export before getting the files, and reshare it afterwards, as part of the cron job. If this is done at 4am, then it is likely to cause little interruption to service in most environments. Besides I share your opinion, that shell-scripting is an adequate way of cleaning distfiles, I must admit, that a cron-job, which calls emerge sync && emerge -fud world only makes sense on a shared .../distfiles, if and only if all machines sharing this, have the same packages installed. Given I have a server w/o X and such and some desktop machines naturally with this things. The share resides on the server, because this is the only machine 24/7 up. How could an update of X, KDE etc happen and use already downloaded files? When the desktops call emerge -ud world parallel, wouldn't that cause problems? Am I missing something? I'd love to do it this way, but I found no workaround for this problem yet. I think, this would work, but that's not what I really want to do: editing world files, copying them here over and there over, everytime I update a desktop and/or the server. Well, of course you don't need to copy the files manually everytime. There are lots of ways to do this: at 4:30pm every machine runs something like: `cat /var/cache/edb/world >> //somemachine/NFS/share/world.othermachines` Or: `qpkg -I -v >> //somemachine/NFS/share/world.othermachines` To retain version information. The server can uniquely sort this file before running `emerge -Uf` for each line. Note I have some machines running ~x86, and I do updates quite often (every two days average on this computers). I also often emerge packages only to have a look, how they work and if they fit my needs better than the program I actually use for this purpose. That's not my idea of comfort ;-) But as long as the automated sync & fetch process only takes place at midnight, you can quite happily emerge new packages during the day, to the same shared distfiles, without interfering with it. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] bittorrent
On 25 Sep 2003, at 7:08 am, Stephen Boulet wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2003 09:01 am, Terry Churchill wrote: Absoloutely, but I don't agree that bittorrent is the way to go. But - it should be an option for those who do want to use it, and are willing to open the required ports on firewalls, etc. [snip] You only have to open specific ports on firewalls if you are serving a torrent. Others jumping on it have no problem, and are encouraged to do so, since they make everyone's download rate go up. I think you're mistaken. As far as BitTorrent is concerned there should be no difference between someone "serving" a torrent (IE: the original individual with the complete file) and other peer with parts to share. Someone who is NATted or firewalled but who has the complete file may contribute very little (if at all - I don't know how BT implements this) to other peers. For anyone else reading who is unfamiliar with BitTorrent, background is available at http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/introduction.html I've been using BitTorrent quite a bit recently, and this is what I can surmise: - BitTorrent relies on all peers serving the file simultaneously as downloading it. - If you are behind NAT or a firewall, and have not opened the appropriate ports then other peers cannot connect to you. They can, however, share the file with you if you can connect to them. - The problem with this is that the VAST majority of users are NATted or firewalled & do NOT open these ports. - Consequently, the burden of sharing is shifted largely onto the few peers who do have their ports open correctly. - All NATted / firewalled peers (without ports open) share a total download bandwidth supplied by the total upload of peers with their ports open correctly. It is more desirable that all peers share a download bandwidth equalling the total upload of ALL peers (which is many times more). - If you open your ports, all the incorrectly configured clients can then connect to you, and you benefit from their total upload bandwidth, too. Whether this is important is a matter of scaling. I tend to deal mostly, at present, with .torrents with a shortish life-span (of a week or three) and total peers in the order of 10 - 200. My theory is that when a .torrent is fresh, there a relatively high number of "sophisticated" peers connected: that is to say peers who know what they're doing & have their ports open; if just one or two of these peers are on a fast connection (say 3mbit or a university connection) then they can largely compensate for all the "unsophisticated" peers (without their ports open). It is still possible for the unsophisticated peers to download, say, a 650meg file in a matter of a few hours, especially as an unspohisticated peer may get a chunk from one sophisticated peer and share it with several others. When there are only a dozen or two peers, however, and only one of them has his ports open, the download rate for NATted/firewalled peers slows to trickle - if the sophisticated peer has only 512/256 ADSL, then his meagre upload is shared between ALL of the unsophisticated peers. The sophisticated peer can get chunks from all of the other peers, however, and may still be able to saturate his bandwidth. A characteristic of this scenario is that you may experience very fast download rates up to a certain point, and only then does the trickle become noticeable. Conclusion: it may not always matter to you if you're NATted or firewalled when you BitTorrent, but if you are then you become part of the problem. Users opening their BitTorrent ports (6881 - 6889 are a good start) may experience speed increases of a factor of 10 or more. It is my experience that for any reasonably well-seeded (or even well-peered) file then BitTorrent should be able to saturate my 512k ADSL download bandwidth - I can download a 650meg file in 3 - 6 hours, when NATted / firewalled peers might show ETAs of several days for the same file. I like this discussion of BitTorrent's ports & firewall requirements, but it seems to be down at the time of writing: http://www.dessent.net/btfaq/#ports I would be interested to discuss this matter further, especially if you can point out any flaws in my reasoning. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] local network (nat) / dns error
On 27 Sep 2003, at 4:17 pm, Tux the turtle wrote: hi there - i'm quite confused. setting up a local network (ip area 10.151.0.*) with a server used to connect to the internet I can ping www.google.de from the server but not from a client (host not found). A ping to the nameservers ip run from the clients works - so it seems to be a forwarding problem. I'm a little confused, also. I think from your description that DNS for this client is perhaps not resolving. What happens when you try this: $ host www.google.de www.google.de is an alias for www.google.akadns.net. www.google.akadns.net has address 216.239.59.99 $ What happens when you try to `ping 216.239.59.99`..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] local network (nat) / dns error
On 27 Sep 2003, at 5:30 pm, Tux the turtle wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 27. September 2003 14:09 schrieb Stroller: On 27 Sep 2003, at 4:17 pm, Tux the turtle wrote: hi there - i'm quite confused. setting up a local network (ip area 10.151.0.*) with a server used to connect to the internet I can ping www.google.de from the server but not from a client (host not found). A ping to the nameservers ip run from the clients works - so it seems to be a forwarding problem. I'm a little confused, also. I think from your description that DNS for this client is perhaps not resolving. What happens when you try this: $ host www.google.de www.google.de is an alias for www.google.akadns.net. www.google.akadns.net has address 216.239.59.99 $ What happens when you try to `ping 216.239.59.99`..? $ host -> command not found Ok. So you should probably `emerge bind-tools` later, then. They're always useful to have on a system. ping ip -> this is working both from server and client. Well, if both client & server can ping THAT ip (and other external ones) it's not a forwarding issue, but a DNS one. I think you need to examine /etc/resolv.conf on the client (assuming it's a Gentoo box). Assuming both the client & server are Gentoo boxes you should be able to use the resolve conf from the server. HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which CD set to get
On 28 Sep 2003, at 4:32 pm, Jess Anderson wrote: I'm about to make the Big Switch, i.e., from RedHat [1] to Gentoo Linux... Congratulations!!! ...am just now looking for clarification about differences between the various 2-CD sets offered by the store. I haven't used any of these CDs, but looking at what it says: "2-CD set with many pre-built packages... optimized for ". I have only 1 question: who decided that all (& only) the Mac Gentoo CDs would have pictures of girly pink flowers on them..? I have a mix of six machines on my home LAN, including a Pentium Pro, two Pentium IIIs (one a laptop), an Athlon Tbird and two Athlon XPs. All at present run RH 7.2, kept fully up to date. I think the "Gentoo Linux 1.4 for i686" set would be best, then. It's "optimized for P6-class (Pentium Pro/II, Celeron 266-533MHz, original Athlon) CPUs" and all your machines should run those optimisations fine. The verbiage about gentoo CD sets includes "packages optimized for platform". My assumption is that this means chiefly the kernel. Is that correct, or are other optimzations also involved? I would guess that is incorrect. I would guess it means chiefly the packages (applications). If you read the installation guide at <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml> you'll see that compiling the kernel is part of the standard Gentoo install. I'm not so familiar with these CDs as the download editions of Gentoo, but the stuff that these CDs are best known for is the pre-compiled binaries of GDE, Knome, OpenOffice &c &c. These take FAR longer to compile than the kernel does, so I would imagine that it is the former that are optimised, rather than the latter. http://www.freehackers.org/gentoo/gccflags/flag_gcc3.html (and I daresay `man gcc`) hints at the sort of optimisatons that Gentoo / Portage is principally about (alongside optional run-time functionality) when compiling applications. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/7882 & http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=24849 suggest that little opimisation will take place when compiling the kernel (although there is a section in `make menuconfig` to choose a processor - I don't know what difference it makes). I further assume I could get any of the x86-compatible CD sets and compile optimized kernels for whatever platform (in which case it seems reasonable to get the Athlon XP set). Is this correct as well? Hmmmn... dunno. I would *ass*u*me that the Gentoo installation disks which are merely _optimised_ for AlthlonXPs would allow you to install on a PentiumPro, but I wouldn't bank on it. The 686 disks will certainly allow you to compile (& optimise) for ALL i86 architectures, tho'. I'm an experienced Linux user, but not a kernal compilation whiz, so am looking at "what's easiest" as compared to "what's best". Stage 3 x86 on all machines, optimised CFLAGS & USE flags on each one, `make dep && make clean bzImage modules modules_install && /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot`, don't forget stuff with grub & /etc/fstab, reboot then `emerge sync && emerge -up world` & leave 'em all compiling for a week or so (it saves on heating bills). HTH, Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] bittorrent
On 29 Sep 2003, at 5:44 am, Stephen Boulet wrote: On Thursday 25 September 2003 08:38 am, Stroller wrote: You only have to open specific ports on firewalls if you are serving a torrent. Others jumping on it have no problem, and are encouraged to do so, since they make everyone's download rate go up. I think you're mistaken. As far as BitTorrent is concerned there should be no difference between someone "serving" a torrent (IE: the original individual with the complete file) and other peer with parts to share. Someone who is NATted or firewalled but who has the complete file may contribute very little (if at all - I don't know how BT implements this) to other peers. I wonder if the fact that I've enabled stateful connection tracking makes a difference: iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -i eth1 -s ! $INTERNAL_NET -j ACCEPT I know Linux is generally a more "clever" NAT router than these cheap little hardware jobbies, but I don't believe this'll make a difference. I'd love to here an argument or analysis of why it should, tho', because my brain hurts right now. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which CD set to get
On 29 Sep 2003, at 1:29 pm, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 11:01, Stroller wrote: Hmmmn... dunno. I would *ass*u*me that the Gentoo installation disks which are merely _optimised_ for AlthlonXPs would allow you to install on a PentiumPro, but I wouldn't bank on it. The 686 disks will certainly allow you to compile (& optimise) for ALL i86 architectures, tho'. The packages that come on the CDs are optimized so that they will run on only that architecture or better. Ah, thanks for clarifying. The best thing to do is either get a CD set for each of your architectures or (my choice) just get the lowest common denominator. As new versions become available, software will be recompiled with the optimizations you want, which will cover most of the system after a couple of months. Ah, yes! I meant to mention that. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xinetd
On 29 Sep 2003, at 5:11 pm, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: Has anyone gotten xinetd to work?? I had it on a redhat system for years and when I moved my last box over, I can't get ANY of my services to work.. They all just say FAIL: whatever can not start 'ip address'... Is this when you run `/etc/init.d/xinetd start`..? In my /etc/xinetd.conf the "only_from" line is commented out. Does that help..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo / 2.6.0 Kernel / Hyperthreading / Stuff
On 29 Sep 2003, at 12:10 pm, Ulrich Rhein wrote: 4. What's the deal with the sse2 on the P4? I vaguely remember on the mailing lists there was something bad going on with either sse2 or -march=pentium4 and some version of gcc... Question: Will it be safe for me to specify -march=pentium4 in my CFLAGS? gcc doesn't use SIMD instructions (except in very rare cases), because it is hard for a compiler to use them. Additionally, gcc doesn't generate much faster (just bigger) code when compiling with -march=..., if it does generate different code at all. There is usually no significiant performance gain with it. Why is Gentoo's ability to set CFLAGS optimisations in make.conf so widely touted, then..? Surely if what you say is true, then this is a redundant feature of portage. I was thinking of installing Portage on my Mac; if what you say is true, then I guess I'm as well off with Fink..? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
