Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 21:59 -0700, Tom Williams wrote: If I add a drop shadow to something in Gimp, the drop shadow is in a layer an I show or hide. How is that different from the Adjustment layer you describe? I'm sure it is but I don't know how it differs. :) The drop shadow, I think, was just an example. What if, instead, I wanted to make a bevel depth of a button deeper? The layers wouldn't help me out, would they? In photoshop however, all I'd have to do is drag a slider! -Gezim ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Yet another collection of brushes and patterns..
On Wed, 4 May 2005 22:58:47 +0200 \Rikard Johnels\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse a newbie like me (when it comes to script etc) Where exactly do i put the .py scripts so graciously shared? I have tried several different locations ( ~/.gimp/scripts ~/.gimp/plug-ins ~/.gimp/modules) but i cant seem to find the plugin anywhere. The source (if i read it right) should end up under /Python-fu/Alchemy But all i have there is Clothify... in my /usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins/ all the plugins have 755 permissions. What permissions do you have for script? Owen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP cli options
Hi, Inpromptu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: where can I find information on the gimp [--batch-interpreter procedure] option ? this option is mentioned in http://www.gimp.org/man/gimp.html What is it that you don't understand about it? In case you are just looking for an introduction into batck processing images with GIMP, please see http://gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Yet another collection of brushes and patterns..
On Thursday 05 May 2005 10.15, Owen wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2005 22:58:47 +0200 \Rikard Johnels\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse a newbie like me (when it comes to script etc) Where exactly do i put the .py scripts so graciously shared? I have tried several different locations ( ~/.gimp/scripts ~/.gimp/plug-ins ~/.gimp/modules) but i cant seem to find the plugin anywhere. The source (if i read it right) should end up under /Python-fu/Alchemy But all i have there is Clothify... in my /usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins/ all the plugins have 755 permissions. What permissions do you have for script? Owen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user I changed them to 755 and now they work... Probably the fault :) Thanx all who replied! -- /Rikard Sharing knowledge is the most fundamental act of friendship. Because it is a way you can give something without loosing something. -R. Stallman --- Rikard Johnels email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mob : +46 763 19 76 25 PGP : 0x461CEE56 --- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails
for how many years now does Photoshop(TM) get free advertising on this mail list and the only thing that have to fill the free time with is that layers effect thing? a forum where they can constantly bombard and belittle TheGIMP and are free to do so and the best they can pull out of their over-extended reasoning is this layers effect stuff. do any gimp users think this is helping them? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Yea, that's the whole idea. Layer effects/styles save you from having to re-create your effects all the the time... plus everything is cleaner because the effect is generated in real-time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gezim Hoxha Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 4:43 AM To: gimp user Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 21:59 -0700, Tom Williams wrote: If I add a drop shadow to something in Gimp, the drop shadow is in a layer an I show or hide. How is that different from the Adjustment layer you describe? I'm sure it is but I don't know how it differs. :) The drop shadow, I think, was just an example. What if, instead, I wanted to make a bevel depth of a button deeper? The layers wouldn't help me out, would they? In photoshop however, all I'd have to do is drag a slider! -Gezim ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Gezim Hoxha wrote: The drop shadow, I think, was just an example. What if, instead, I wanted to make a bevel depth of a button deeper? The layers wouldn't help me out, would they? In photoshop however, all I'd have to do is drag a slider! Gotcha. :) Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
On Thursday 05 May 2005 06.16, j Mak wrote: --- Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 09:28:48AM +, Kent Tong wrote: Thanks for all who have replied. Yes, the Chinese problem is bogus. It works as long as the LANG env variable is set. it is interesting that the one time i saw anyone use this photoshop layers effect stuff, i was able to get TheGIMP to produce the same image in less than twenty minutes. that was using a little knowledge of computer graphics (most of which i learned by working with TheGIMP). Carol, You are right that there are ways of working around solutions, but this is not the point. In reality, it seldom happens, if ever, that you come up with an idea, then sit down in front of your computer and realize it in one shot. Rather, artwork, even the simplest ones like web page buttons are the result of experimentation. And this is where the Adjustment layer and the layer effects come in. Using them you can experiment with various settings without changing the set up of your layer structure. In addition, you can edit your artwork, even months or years after finishing it, simply by altering the Adjustment layer or changing the layer effects parameters. For instance, if I decide at some point that don't want drop shadows anymore, I simply click on the layer effect representing the shadow and I turn it off, or add other effect if I want to. By the way Macromedia Fireworks has similar tools but their implementation is totally different; they call them Live Effects. These are extremely useful tools that's why graphic artists like them; they allow an efficient and economical way of creating artwork. I think the Gimp would benefit a great deal from similar features. Regards, jozsefmak ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user Thats one of the problems here: Gimp which is fairly young is compared to an OLDtimer as Photoshop who's been around for ages! Of course graphic artists use photoshop. Its was the only thing available a few years back with any kind of usefullness. Its the same situation as with GNU/Linux itself. It took a few years of collaborate work to get it up to (and even beyond) par with MS Windows. Gimp is developing rather rapidly and as far as i can see, steadily in the same direction. Giv it a little more time and you'll have a piece of software that will exceed even the oldie Photoshop. In lieu of the fact that Gimp and most of the open source software is on free time basis, i'd say Gimp is a KILLER application. And i am sure that it will continue to develop. Just my two cents worth... -- /Rikard Sharing knowledge is the most fundamental act of friendship. Because it is a way you can give something without loosing something. -R. Stallman --- Rikard Johnels email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mob : +46 763 19 76 25 PGP : 0x461CEE56 --- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
One of the things I've noticed is that Adobe Photoshop (and the PSD file format) does not allow Indexed images with multiple layers. If you save to any format other than XCF you cannot be sure all features will be supported. Amen to that! That is one thing I wished Photoshop had... saving an Indexed PSD with layers. Also support for sub-8bit Indexed mode (e.g. 2bit, 4bit, etc)... currently I only know of Paintshop Pro that can do that (though it's buggy). Another thing I wish for Photoshop is a hard 1-pixel eraser in RGB mode (that acts just like the 1-pixel erase in Indexed mode). Bringing down square brush size to 1 and hardness to 100%, you have bleeding/softness around the area you are erasing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Horkan Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:06 AM To: Kent Tong Cc: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop On Wed, 4 May 2005, Kent Tong wrote: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 03:10:33 + (UTC) From: Kent Tong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop Hi, We're an organization promoting open source in Macau. We're considering whether to organize some training courses on GIMP or not. Before that, we'd like to evaluate how powerful GIMP is when compared to Photoshop. We're not insisting that it must be as powerful as Photoshop. We just need a clear idea on its power. I'll try and keep this factual and give you information to work with. The scripting infrastructure and availabity of source code is a big factor in making the GNU Image Manipulation Program powerful. It is possible to do batch processing of images but usually people recommend using a tool like ImageMagick instead. Adobe Photoshop also has scripting in the form of Actions. Actions can be recorded and played back which is quite powerful for users but developers will probably find that Script-Fu gives them more control as they can directly edit the files. (I believe they also have a Python SDK but I'm having difficulty finding it.) One of the things I've noticed is that Adobe Photoshop (and the PSD file format) does not allow Indexed images with multiple layers. If you save to any format other than XCF you cannot be sure all features will be supported. There is no version of Adobe Photoshop for Linux (or any Unix with the possible exception of Mac OS X depending on how you look at it) and although Adobe Photoshop version 7 has been made to work with Wine http://winehq.com there were problems getting more recent versions to work. Many users with dual-head setups say they much prefer having seperate windows and use one screen for the image and put the palettes on a seperate window. Some of the people who do not like how the GIMP manages windows make use of the Deweirdifyer to give them a back window (and others use Xnest, or multiple workspaces) http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=3892 If you are using the GIMP on windows (and this only works on the windows version) you can get PSPI which is a plugin which allows some types of third party Adobe Photoshop plugins to work with the GIMP. As I'm not a graphics guy, I've got a colleague to do some initial evaluation. As my colleague has a strong photoshop background but is just getting started with GIMP, I'd like to have the confirmation from someone like you with strong GIMP experience. So, would you please comment on my colleague's finding below? Thanks in advance! Your colleague might have a more comfortable experience if he used the Photoshop style keybindings for the GIMP (replace the menurc file with the psmenurc) but in the long run that might be counterproductive if you really want to learn how to use the program. The GimpShop project may also be of interest to your colleague but hopefully in the long run the best ideas from GimpShop will be incorporated back in to the GNU Image manipulation program. http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241 -- Compare to PhotoShop, creating text effect is difficult. Photoshop built in text effects. GIMP can only use the filter or script-fu to create effect. -- Compare to PhotoShop, text effect will still be apply even the Text is changed. But you need to do everything again if you text need to be changed. -- Can't display Chinese font in the font selection list. - Layers control -- Can't display Chinese in the Layer. -- Compare to PhotoShop, managing the layers is not that easy. You can define layers to groups in Photoshop. You can even target an action to a group. No group idea in GIMP. Some bug reports and requests relevant to Layer management Add support for Photoshop Styles and adjustment layers http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79025 Add a 'lock' flag per layer to protect it http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61019 Add support for layer trees or layer
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Thats one of the problems here: Gimp which is fairly young is compared to an OLDtimer as Photoshop who's been around for ages! Of course graphic artists use photoshop. Its was the only thing available a few years back with any kind of usefullness. Its the same situation as with GNU/Linux itself. It took a few years of collaborate work to get it up to (and even beyond) par with MS Windows. Gimp is developing rather rapidly and as far as i can see, steadily in the same direction. Giv it a little more time and you'll have a piece of software that will exceed even the oldie Photoshop. In lieu of the fact that Gimp and most of the open source software is on free time basis, i'd say Gimp is a KILLER application. And i am sure that it will continue to develop. Just my two cents worth... -- /Rikard Comparing TheGIMP with Photoshop is natural, we are looking at the best of open-source vs the best of closed-source (some might suggest PSP or otherwise). People do this all the time. How is this bad? This gives the developers more ideas for improving TheGIMP. Adobe Photoshop also has scripting in the form of Actions. Photoshop CS now has expanded scripting capabilities (AppleScript in OSX; VBScript and JavaScript in Windows) Cheers -joe ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
On 5/4/05, j Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also use both Photoshop and Gimp and agree that Potoshop is more user friendly. Interesting. I started using Photoshop in 2000. In 02 I was introduced to the gimp. I was so happy to finally find graphics software that was finally userfriendly. It has gotten to the point now where I hardly ever fireup Photoshop. The lack of a main window in Gimp seems to be a major irritation for new users. That you see all the icons and open windows behind your canvas could be annoying. I've never understood myself why developers haven't designed a main window for Gimp yet. I don't see why it would need one. The main window in Photoshop just is an annoyance. As far as I know Gimp is the only app that uses this non-standard interface. So where is this standard interface defined? Are you aware that Gimpshop, now uses Photoshop-like menu structure? That's the point of Gimpshop to be more like Photoshop. Sort of a halfway between the Gimp and Photoshop. There is no reason for the Gimp to change its very logical menu structure. In terms of editing, layers, and effects... nothing beats Photoshop. I agree. What exactly do y'all like better. Both have seemed comparable in functionality. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Calling GIMP from external program.
Yes you can call the gimp from the command line or use perl GIMP modules: Some possibly useful links: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/ http://www.ftgimp.com/help/C/command_line.html http://www.macgimp.org/article.php?story=78 http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Perl/ http://www.loni.ucla.edu/ad/Tutorial/starting.html On 5/4/05, Inpromptu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi It is possible to call GIMP, GIMP's tools, scripts, from an external program ? Is there some kind of API to do that ? Excuse my english... Inpromptu ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
j Mak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've never understood myself why developers haven't designed a main window for Gimp yet. As far as I know Gimp is the only app that uses this non-standard interface. Are you aware of the fact, that Photoshop on the Mac does not have such a main window? Such a main window would be a major hassle for the people who want to edit images on more than two monitors, since it either has to span across both monitors, potentially with parts invisible when the two monitors have different resolutions, or limiting all their non-palette content to a single monitor. There has been a fair amount of discussion on this topic. If you're curious you're welcome to have a look at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails
Carol Spears wrote: for how many years now does Photoshop(TM) get free advertising on this mail list and the only thing that have to fill the free time with is that layers effect thing? a forum where they can constantly bombard and belittle TheGIMP and are free to do so and the best they can pull out of their over-extended reasoning is this layers effect stuff. do any gimp users think this is helping them? carol I think you have to accept that, on a gimp forum, people are going to discuss what they like and what they don't like about the gimp, while inevitably comparing it to the alternatives that are available. It's also a fact that people post to a user forum with problems more than they post with tales of glee. Perhaps that's a shame; I think it's inevitable. Since you bring it up, I was thinking just earlier today how frustrated I get when something suddenly stops working and I need to stop what I'm doing and look through the manual to find out what's wrong. The manual, btw, is always close at hand. I was wondering if it's' something I should discuss with the list or not. How can the interface be improved? What are its short comings? Does anyone else have this problem with it? Judging by Carey Bunks's FAQ section at the end of every chapter of Grokking the GIMP, yes. It would be nice to see some discussion of the GIMP's design, or its roadmap, or to feel that one can be involved in this project other than just by submitting bug reports or hacking code. As for layer effects, well perhaps you should ask the users what it is they get out of them. Who knows? You might learn something. Sometimes the GIMP helps me, sometimes it hinders me. That's how it is. Not being a programmer, there's not much I can do directly to change it. And since you'd rather I bite my lip about it, it's unlikely that anybody else will do anything about it either. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] configuration of a Wacom Intuos tablet
I just bought a Wacom Intuos tablet, A5 format. I had the good surprise to observe that, as soon as plugged into a USB port, the mouse and the pen were recognized by the system (Debian Sid) and operational. I installed the wacom driver, and described the tablet in my XF86config-4 file, in a way similar to what is described in http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Wacom-Tablet-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.10 I also used the short page by Carol Spears (http://carol.gimp.org/gimp2/basics/gui/preferences/inputdevices.html), and my tablet is now recognized by Gimp (2.2), with the three devices (stylus, eraser, and mouse). However, I cannot manage to have a different behavior for these three devices. In the Devices dialog, only the Core Pointer entry seems to be active (with a triangle in front of it). In the dialog get from Toolbox - Files - Preferences - Input Devices, I don't understand what is the meaning of Axes, Keys, and all these numbers. The tutorial by Carol Spears stops just before describing this. The Gimp user manual does not describe this at all. Who could help me? If I can manage to understand the whole thing, I could write the corresponding section in the User manual. By the way, the use of the extra keys and pads of the tablet, as well as of the extra buttons of the mouse, is not described anywhere, it seems. It would be a pity to not be able to use them, since they clearly have some ergonomic value. Thanks in advance for any useful advice. -- Olivier Lecarme P.S. I had a difficult time in order to be able to send this message to the list. I'm already subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED], but it seems that from this address my messages get lost somewhere. What is the way to unsubscribe from that address, since I don't want to receive the messages twice? ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails
David Marrs wrote: Sometimes the GIMP helps me, sometimes it hinders me. That's how it is. Not being a programmer, there's not much I can do directly to change it. And since you'd rather I bite my lip about it, it's unlikely that anybody else will do anything about it either. Actually, that was a bit of a terse reply, now that I read it back. I can appreciate that you may well have put a lot into the GIMP as a developer and would like to see a bit of encouragement from its users. I *am* very grateful for the GIMP and think it says much for the spirit of free software. I also think it has some way to go before it becomes a mature product, but I think that it is only a matter of time before it is at least on a par with products like Photoshop, unless software patents beat us to it. But I would like to see more direct involvement with the users. It seems that you have the developers on the one hand and the users on the other. The developers provide a new release, the users assess it, the developers consider the criticism and the cycle continues. Inkscape has a much more social nature. Everyone chips in; it feels very much like it's our software. There are requests for users to help out in various ways and everyone can help somehow if he wants to. There's also a clear roadmap so that we can see what's coming and make suggestions about how certain features might be implemented. Their mailing list is much more optimistic because, I think, users feel that this is their project that they are helping make. I'm not sure that users feel that way about the GIMP. I don't, to be honest. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
In a nutshell, adjustment layers or layer effects are not real layers but something like virtual layers. When you modify an art object using, say an adjustment layer the original artwork remain intact at all time. The adjustments layer doesn't alter the artwork, only simulates the changes. Better, if you later want to modify the artwork just click on the adjustment layer, which brings up the dialog with the original settings that let you further modify the artwork. Otherwise, every change you introduce into the artwork, directly affects the original piece. Hope this clarifies this layer thing. jozsefmak --- Tom Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: j Mak wrote: Using them you can experiment with various settings without changing the set up of your layer structure. In addition, you can edit your artwork, even months or years after finishing it, simply by altering the Adjustment layer or changing the layer effects parameters. For instance, if I decide at some point that don't want drop shadows anymore, I simply click on the layer effect representing the shadow and I turn it off, or add other effect if I want to. I'm not a PhotoShop user so please excuse the question but how does your example *not* change the setup of the layer structure? If I add a drop shadow to something in Gimp, the drop shadow is in a layer an I show or hide. How is that different from the Adjustment layer you describe? I'm sure it is but I don't know how it differs. :) Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails
David Marrs wrote: I *am* very grateful for the GIMP and think it says much for the spirit of free software. I also think it has some way to go before it becomes a mature product, Huh... the Gimp is not mature? Thank you for sharing that. I honestly didn't know! Shit... and while I'm at it, I best let my boss know ASAP that he's been paying me in a professional capacity to use an app that's not mature. It's a wonder I've gotten anything done at all! ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: when even free advertising fails
David Marrs wrote: As for layer effects, well perhaps you should ask the users what it is they get out of them. Who knows? You might learn something. I think most of the developers already understand the value of layer effects quite well. Let me try to summarize the current situation. There are basically two possible ways of proceeding. One is to add layer effects onto the current GIMP architecture, which could be done, but in a somewhat hackish and ugly way. The other is to defer them until the arrival of the long-planned GEGL-based architecture, which will make layer effects and many other nice things easy and natural to implement. The decision has been to wait for GEGL. Whether this is the correct strategy can be debated, but it definitely doesn't mean that we don't care about layer effects. Best, -- Bill __ __ __ __ Sent via the CNPRC Email system at primate.ucdavis.edu ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 11:26:22PM +0800, Joe Ngo wrote: Comparing TheGIMP with Photoshop is natural, we are looking at the best of open-source vs the best of closed-source (some might suggest PSP or otherwise). People do this all the time. How is this bad? This gives the developers more ideas for improving TheGIMP. Adobe Photoshop also has scripting in the form of Actions. Photoshop CS now has expanded scripting capabilities (AppleScript in OSX; VBScript and JavaScript in Windows) that is pretty good. i think they have had access to VBScript for only about a year. TheGIMP will never work with VBScript that quickly. how long has Adobe had legal access to AppleScript and to JavaScript in windows? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails
On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 07:04 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: a forum where they can constantly bombard and belittle TheGIMP and are free to do so and the best they can pull out of their over-extended reasoning is this layers effect stuff. I'm not sure who they are, but if you're referring to people in this list that are not afraid to admit gimp's weaknesses, these people have every right to point them out. You can't fix a problem if you don't even accept it. Lack of layer effects is not a problem? ...Just ask the serious graphic developers. -Gezim ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Simon Budig wrote: Are you aware of the fact, that Photoshop on the Mac does not have such a main window? Hmmm... *me looks at some Mac/PS screen shots*Interesting. I never noticed that. But doesn't it still behave as one instance of the program when flipping between programs (i.e., essentially like the Windows version)? On Linux, I have no problem using a desktop solely for the Gimp, but on Windows (at work) I end up using a multi-desktop switcher to keep windows from getting out of hand (in numbers). Unfortunately, all the multi-desktop switcher programs I've tried (VirtuaWin, MegaScale MultiDesktop Manager, MS Virtual Desktop Manager) are a tad buggy and/or don't implement as well as the Unix model of multiple desktops. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
On Thursday 05 May 2005 12:17, Kalle Ounapuu wrote: One of the things I've noticed is that Adobe Photoshop (and the PSD file format) does not allow Indexed images with multiple layers. If you save to any format other than XCF you cannot be sure all features will be supported. Amen to that! That is one thing I wished Photoshop had... saving an Indexed PSD with layers. Also support for sub-8bit Indexed mode (e.g. 2bit, 4bit, etc)... currently I only know of Paintshop Pro that can do that (though it's buggy). Nobody have asked, that I recall, saving in indexed formats with 2 and 4 bit. This is not hard to do code in the GIMP PNG and maybe some other format. (bmp, or tiff) Do you need this feature? Another thing I wish for Photoshop is a hard 1-pixel eraser in RGB mode (that acts just like the 1-pixel erase in Indexed mode). Bringing down square brush size to 1 and hardness to 100%, you have bleeding/softness around the area you are erasing. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Thanks for the information. This was new to me. Regards, jozsefmak --- Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: j Mak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've never understood myself why developers haven't designed a main window for Gimp yet. As far as I know Gimp is the only app that uses this non-standard interface. Are you aware of the fact, that Photoshop on the Mac does not have such a main window? Such a main window would be a major hassle for the people who want to edit images on more than two monitors, since it either has to span across both monitors, potentially with parts invisible when the two monitors have different resolutions, or limiting all their non-palette content to a single monitor. There has been a fair amount of discussion on this topic. If you're curious you're welcome to have a look at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] modular GIMP
Just a general question to throw out there: Is it feasible to have GIMP be modular in it's filters and image tools (basically all of the image processing stuff outside of painting)? I've worked in 3D with apps that have such an approach, where each module can be added / removed and the object(s) update accordingly. This would make image editing even more flexible, professional, and sexy (hehehe). This way, one doesn't worry as much about having to go thru a lot of undos when something goes wrong or the artist has a flash of inspiration that's on a totally different track than he/she was on before. I've been using GIMP for quite a while now, and I believe such functionality would really enhance the GIMP experience. I realize doing such a thing would be a significant change in the inner workings of the app. But it's an idea, and that's what's great about the open-source world: that ideas are exchanged and acted upon (or discarded) without sitting in board rooms talking about demographics and cost-effectiveness and all that drab rubbish! L8rz! ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
