[Gimp-user] resizing

2019-07-20 Thread Helen via gimp-user-list
I'm submitting a picture that needs to be 1.5 megapixels.   How do I tell
GIMP that this picture should be 1.5 M?  The scaling feature doesn't offer
me a chance to say that.
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[Gimp-user] GIMP on Chromebooks?

2018-07-26 Thread Helen via gimp-user-list
 I'm thinking to get a Chromebook and wondering if GIMP works well on a
Chromebook.
I've seen conflicting opinions (some say you can install GIMP but it's not
the full
version of GIMP).  So I wonder if anyone has any knowledge or experience of
whether
GIMP installs and works well on Chromebook.
Thanks,
Helen, using GIMP on Suse Linux
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Re: [Gimp-user] paint with color from gradient

2014-11-17 Thread Helen
But there is nothing in the matrix that says says Color from Gradient.  The
closest thing I can find is Random color.  In gimp 2.6 there is a tick-box
for Color from Gradient and it makes a graceful
predictable gradual flow from one color to another.  Can we still do that,
in 2.8?
Thank you,

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Olivier oleca...@gmail.com wrote:

 2014-11-17 0:11 GMT+01:00 Helen etter...@gmail.com:

 I used to know how to paint with color from gradient. Various help sites
 say hoose the dynamics Color From Gradient, but I haven't been able to
 find
 that option.  How can I use airbrush with Color from Gradient?
 Thanks,


 ​When the airbrush tool is selected, look in its options in the bottom
 part of the window. Click the icon on the left of Dynamics to open the
 menu of available dynamics.​

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Re: [Gimp-user] paint with color from gradient

2014-11-17 Thread Helen
ok thanks I finally found that.  Playing with the fade length helps, but it
still doesn't behave like Color from Gradient in 2.6.  What should be in
the text box to the right of the icon?  I sit here with gimp 2.8
on my desktop and 2.6 on my laptop, same two colors, and I can't get 2.8 to
make a smooth gradual transition like 2.6 does.  I'm trying different
settings in the text box to the right of the icon. Fade tapering seems to
get the closest.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Gary Aitken a...@dreamchaser.org wrote:

 On 11/17/14 07:49, Helen wrote:
  But there is nothing in the matrix that says says Color from Gradient.
 The
  closest thing I can find is Random color.  In gimp 2.6 there is a
 tick-box
  for Color from Gradient and it makes a graceful
  predictable gradual flow from one color to another.  Can we still do
 that,
  in 2.8?

 Hmmm, on my 2.8 version it's item #5 in the drop-down.
 In the matrix, it would be row 4 (color) and column 7 (fade).

 Are you seeing something different?

  On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Olivier oleca...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  2014-11-17 0:11 GMT+01:00 Helen etter...@gmail.com:
 
  I used to know how to paint with color from gradient. Various help
 sites
  say hoose the dynamics Color From Gradient, but I haven't been able to
  find
  that option.  How can I use airbrush with Color from Gradient?
  Thanks,
 
 
  ​When the airbrush tool is selected, look in its options in the bottom
  part of the window. Click the icon on the left of Dynamics to open the
  menu of available dynamics.​





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[Gimp-user] paint with color from gradient

2014-11-16 Thread Helen
I used to know how to paint with color from gradient. Various help sites
say hoose the dynamics Color From Gradient, but I haven't been able to find
that option.  How can I use airbrush with Color from Gradient?
Thanks,

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[Gimp-user] brushes

2014-11-04 Thread Helen
How can I get the airbrush to fade out?  I have tried the fade slider at
different
lengths, but no position there makes any difference. What else do I need to
do?
Gimp 2.8.2
Thanks,

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[Gimp-user] brushes

2014-11-03 Thread Helen
Can Krita brushes be used in gimp?   If yes, can someone give
a direction as to how to access krita brushes while using gimp?

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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

2014-01-14 Thread Helen
 Why aren't you scaling it before you export it?
That would be way too scary!!  The easiest way (for me) to lose a lot of
work on a
.xcf file would be to scale it and then accidentally save.  The old (2.6
method I described)
protected me from an accident such as that.


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Mark Morin mdmp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why aren't you scaling it before you export it? Undo the scale or don't
 save the scaled xcf? It seems to me that you would want to minimize any
 possible (even if trivial) distortion by editing the exported (flattened)
 image rather than what you are actually working on.

 On 1/13/2014 11:27 AM, Helen wrote:

   which buttons exactly did you press in GIMP so that you no longer
 saw it?
 In other words tell us exactly what you're doing, in both versions of
 gimp

 ok

 First In gimp 2.6:
 open or create new file. Name it.

  I now have (e.g.) village.xcf

 Work on it for weeks, saving every few minutes with

file  save

 I now have village.xcf with all layers preserved

 I finish the picture, and do two steps:

file  save, and then

file  SaveAs  village.png

 I now have two copies of my creation, one with layers, and one flattened.

 The village.png is now the one I see on my screen; title bar confirms

 I then do

Image  scale image  change X  Y resolution to 72 and pixel to some
 small size

   and click Scale.

 I now have one large village.xcf with all properties preserved,and one
 small flattened village.png for mailing or uploading.

 All is well. ( For those who keep saying you were never able to do this, I
 posted a screen shot

 at   http://helenofmarlowe.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/usinggimp/

 showing that yes, in 2.6, you could see and work on the saved as image.
 click screenshot image to enlarge)



   Now, in gimp 2.8

 open or create new file. Name it.

  I now have (e.g.) village.xcf
 Work on it for weeks, saving every few minutes with
  file  save

 I now have village.xcf with all layers preserved
 I finish the picture, and do two steps:

 file  save, and then

 file  export

 I now have a flattened image named village.png

 So I need to scale it, make it small enough to email or upload

 But unlike in 2.6, I can’t simply proceed to do that. I have to re-open
 village.png

 ( Can't work on an image that's now showing on the monitor)

 So I go to

 File  Open Recent  and click village.png

 But of course when it opens it's no longer png
 It opens as [village](imported)

 Now I can of course scale this one down, but I can't save it as png

 so I have to export it again after I scale it.

 But then I have to rename it because I already have a village.png.

 Is this the intended work flow for creating a small, flattened png copy of
 a large multi-layerd xcf?

 It seems to be creating difficulties for a number of users. I don't think
 we'd have had this mountain of complaints over something as trivial as an
 unwanted save warning.



 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:

  On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 15:19 -0500, Helen wrote:

 Ok, I'm trying, but this just doesn't make sense to me.
 You're saying I was never able to see my file after I save as to png
 or
 jpg, in
 prior versions of GIMP.

 Helen, I think what's going on here is a question of people using words
 differently, or more or less precisely.

 None of us can see files unless we take apart the computer, get out a
 microsocope, and look at the surface of the disk.  No, I'm not being a
 smart-ass :-), what I mean is this:

 The only way we see a file normally is if some program or other shows
 it to us.

 So when you say a file disappears, or you can't see a file, please tell
 us where exactly you were seeing it before - on the deskop? In a gimp
 window? On the list of programs at the bottom of your screen?

 Then, which buttons exactly did you press in GIMP so that you no longer
 saw it? E.g. don't say, I saved it, say,
 In gimp 2.8,
 (1) choose file-quit
 (2) when the prompt appears, if you quit you will lose 20 hours of
 work, press save
 (3) now gimp is no longer displaying my file and has gone away.
 In gimp 2.6,
 (1) choose file-save
 (2) select a filename happyboy.jpg and press OK
 (3) press OK to save the file
 (4) GIMP is still displaying the file and the title of the window says
 happyboy.hpg

 In other words tell us exactly what you're doing, in both versions of
 gimp, as if you were telling someone else sitting at your desk how to
 operate the computer. Then say what you expected to see, what you
 actually saw, and what exactly was the difference.

 If it's a bug we's like to understand and fix it.

 if it's a problem with the manual, or a place where GIMP is harder to
 use than it could be, we'd like to know that too.

 I love your drawings, by the way.

 Liam


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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

2014-01-13 Thread Helen
 which buttons exactly did you press in GIMP so that you no longer
saw it?
In other words tell us exactly what you're doing, in both versions of
gimp

ok

First In gimp 2.6:
open or create new file. Name it.

I now have (e.g.) village.xcf

Work on it for weeks, saving every few minutes with

  file  save

I now have village.xcf with all layers preserved

I finish the picture, and do two steps:

  file  save, and then

  file  SaveAs  village.png

I now have two copies of my creation, one with layers, and one flattened.

The village.png is now the one I see on my screen; title bar confirms

I then do

  Image  scale image  change X  Y resolution to 72 and pixel to some
small size

 and click Scale.

I now have one large village.xcf with all properties preserved,and one
small flattened village.png for mailing or uploading.

All is well. ( For those who keep saying you were never able to do this, I
posted a screen shot

at   http://helenofmarlowe.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/usinggimp/

showing that yes, in 2.6, you could see and work on the saved as image.
click screenshot image to enlarge)



 Now, in gimp 2.8

open or create new file. Name it.

I now have (e.g.) village.xcf
Work on it for weeks, saving every few minutes with
file  save

I now have village.xcf with all layers preserved
I finish the picture, and do two steps:

   file  save, and then

   file  export

I now have a flattened image named village.png

So I need to scale it, make it small enough to email or upload

But unlike in 2.6, I can’t simply proceed to do that. I have to re-open
village.png

( Can't work on an image that's now showing on the monitor)

So I go to

   File  Open Recent  and click village.png

But of course when it opens it's no longer png
It opens as [village](imported)

Now I can of course scale this one down, but I can't save it as png

so I have to export it again after I scale it.

But then I have to rename it because I already have a village.png.

Is this the intended work flow for creating a small, flattened png copy of
a large multi-layerd xcf?

It seems to be creating difficulties for a number of users. I don't think
we'd have had this mountain of complaints over something as trivial as an
unwanted save warning.



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:

 On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 15:19 -0500, Helen wrote:
  Ok, I'm trying, but this just doesn't make sense to me.
  You're saying I was never able to see my file after I save as to png or
  jpg, in
  prior versions of GIMP.

 Helen, I think what's going on here is a question of people using words
 differently, or more or less precisely.

 None of us can see files unless we take apart the computer, get out a
 microsocope, and look at the surface of the disk.  No, I'm not being a
 smart-ass :-), what I mean is this:

 The only way we see a file normally is if some program or other shows
 it to us.

 So when you say a file disappears, or you can't see a file, please tell
 us where exactly you were seeing it before - on the deskop? In a gimp
 window? On the list of programs at the bottom of your screen?

 Then, which buttons exactly did you press in GIMP so that you no longer
 saw it? E.g. don't say, I saved it, say,
 In gimp 2.8,
 (1) choose file-quit
 (2) when the prompt appears, if you quit you will lose 20 hours of
 work, press save
 (3) now gimp is no longer displaying my file and has gone away.
 In gimp 2.6,
 (1) choose file-save
 (2) select a filename happyboy.jpg and press OK
 (3) press OK to save the file
 (4) GIMP is still displaying the file and the title of the window says
 happyboy.hpg

 In other words tell us exactly what you're doing, in both versions of
 gimp, as if you were telling someone else sitting at your desk how to
 operate the computer. Then say what you expected to see, what you
 actually saw, and what exactly was the difference.

 If it's a bug we's like to understand and fix it.

 if it's a problem with the manual, or a place where GIMP is harder to
 use than it could be, we'd like to know that too.

 I love your drawings, by the way.

 Liam


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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

2014-01-11 Thread Helen
Close.  Not exactly but closer than anyone has understood so far.
Mark said:
Helen opens myfile.jpg with gimp. She saves myfile.jpg and it becomes
myfile.xcf. She can't see myfile.jpg any more to see  what it looks like

I suppose that's true in some (trivial?) sense but doens't matter. I see
the .xcf.

 She exports myfile.xcf to myfile.jpg and that's fine, the jpg is saved
but it is not displayed. If the xcf had been saved, she is  looking at the
xcf. If the xcf had not been saved and she exported myfile.jpg to a jpg
file, she is now looking at untitled.xcf.

This is what the problem is.  Well, I would never export a file that hasn't
been first saved a xcf, but regardless of that, I don't
see what I was working on.Mark I can't do what you said about windows,
I have no computers that run windows but I
assume what you are thinking is what i can do in digkam, and yes the file
is there.  But to continue working on it I have to
open it again.

 She can't see it because the file name is no longer in the title bar of
the window. She is apparently looking in the title bar of  the image
window--that off color strip that displays the file name of the image in
the window.

No, not looking at the title bar of the image window.  Thre isn't one.
It's gone.  Although, yes, the file is on my computer.

I posted a screenshot here
http://helenofmarlowe.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/usinggimp/ yesterday showing
what I see
in gimp 2.6 after exporting.   I'll post a screenshot of what I get in 2.8
after exporting.

And, Liam, I believe this is what you're asking.  In 2.8, I save every few
minutes with File  Save.  I see a brief less than a second progress bar
but nothing changes.  All is well.  At some point later, the picture is
(more or less, sort of) finished,
and I want to send it somewhere.   I go through four steps:  File  Save
(just to be sure) and then File  export.  I confirm,
a longer (10 seconds?) progress bar, and then the image is gone.  No
there.  Yes, I can still open it with Digikam  or
Gimp's  File  Open Recent, or with Gimp's document history, and maybe I
need to just accept that.
My old ubuntu laptop with 2.6 is very old and not suitable for real work,
and I think that my SuSE 12 probably would not support the 2.6 gtk



On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Mark Morin mdmp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can I offer my interpretation of this communication breakdown? Apologies
 to Liam for previously not replying to list.
 Helen opens myfile.jpg with gimp. She saves myfile.jpg and it becomes
 myfile.xcf. She can't see myfile.jpg any more to see what it looks like.
 She exports myfile.xcf to myfile.jpg and that's fine, the jpg is saved but
 it is not displayed. If the xcf had been saved, she is looking at the xcf.
 If the xcf had not been saved and she exported myfile.jpg to a jpg file,
 she is now looking at untitled.xcf. She can not see the jpg. I thought
 this was phrase was self evident but: myfile.jpg is no longer present in
 the title bar of the the window containing the image that used to be
 myfile.jpg. It is my understanding that she wants to see what
 myfile.jpg looks like. That is the file that she will be using in her
 work, not untitled.xcf and she wants to be sure it looks like she wants
 it to look. Liam's e-mail response was: 

 Why not? Why can't she see it? Where is she looking? And why did it go
 away?

 She can't see it because the file name is no longer in the title bar of
 the window. She is apparently looking in the title bar of the image
 window--that off color strip that displays the file name of the image in
 the window. Why did it go away? As in, why did it change from 'myfile.jpg'
 to 'untitled.xcf?' That's the $10,000,000 dollar question. NB I have no
 problems with the current save/export features of gimp. I am not jumping
 into any flame wars but at the same time maybe someone could take the
 filters of that flame war off and take a second look at Helen's question.
 If I can understand it, I'm sure others can.

 Helen, open up an instance of windows explorer, put it in icon mode (extra
 large) and browse to where you saved your file--there's your jpg. If all
 you want to do is see it, click on it and it will open in your default
 image viewer. If you want to edit it, keep working on the file that is open
 in gimp (there's no need to open the exported file and it's probably better
 not to because exported files do not contain all of gimp's layers and
 effects).

 On 1/10/2014 4:26 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:

 On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 15:19 -0500, Helen wrote:

 Ok, I'm trying, but this just doesn't make sense to me.
 You're saying I was never able to see my file after I save as to png or
 jpg, in
 prior versions of GIMP.

 Helen, I think what's going on here is a question of people using words
 differently, or more or less precisely.

 None of us can see files unless we take apart the computer, get out a
 microsocope, and look at the surface of the disk.  No, I'm not being a
 smart-ass :-), what I

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

2014-01-10 Thread Helen
Ok, I'm trying, but this just doesn't make sense to me.
You're saying I was never able to see my file after I save as to png or
jpg, in
prior versions of GIMP.
I don't think anyone here is deliberately giving out bad information, but I
just don't
understand this.   I still have GIMP 2.6 on a very old Think-Pad laptop
running ubuntu.
I can not only see the file after I save as but I can also edit it.
Here is a screenshot.   I opened gimp create new  made one blend stroke,
then Saved As jpg.
I do see the file.
Then I went to Edit --  and took a screenshot showing that I am able to edit
that file.  Not just see, but see it and edit it.
I can't do this in gimp 2.8 because that ability has been removed.
Click on the screenshot to enlarge it.
http://helenofmarlowe.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/usinggimp/
  You can see that it has been saved as a jpg and is still available.  So,
I'm sorry and I apologize for being tiresome,
 but I just don'tunderstand what you are saying.


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno gwid...@mpc.com.brwrote:

 On 10 January 2014 00:43, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote:
  yes, thank you for that, but I donw't want to to import it as a new gimp
  image.
  I want to still be able to see my jpg file.  This really is not about the
  (slight in
  my view) inconvenience of another keystroke.  It's about not being able,
  regardless
  of how many keystrokes, to see my file after it's exported.  I think I
 will
  have to
  give up because I can't seem to find the right words to make anyone
  understand.
 


 Let's try to rephrase again:
 You never before in GIMP could see your jpg file after it was written
 to disk, unless you performed a file-revert right after you saved to
 JPG in versions prior to GIMP 2.8;  The data you kept
 seeing on GIMP, with the attached name of the jpg file
 was the data as it was in GIMP memory, prior to writing the file -
 just as it happens in GIMP 2.8.

 Therefore, you are just complaining that you could fool yourself before -
 and current GIMP does not allow you to be tricked into thinking the image
 you are seeing is exactly what is on the jpg file anymore.

   js
  --


 
  On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno gwid...@mpc.com.br
 wrote:
 
  In time:
 
 
  In one of your previous messages, you say you loose a lot of time having
  to re-open the exported images to check them -
  Maybe you haven't noticed that exported images are listed
  in the recent files just as saved ones,
  and that the ctrl + 1 keyboard shortcut
  will import, as  a new gimp image, any just exported message
  in seconds? (And this way you will actually see the image
  as represented in that file, on disk). So, maybe this will
  fix your perceived workflow from previous versions.
 
js
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[Gimp-user] gimp users matter

2014-01-08 Thread Helen
 This feature imposes no hardship on any user and occasionally prevents
lost work.


This is so obviously wrong that I wonder whether different gimp users are
experiencing the
same behavior.  If this were a matter of receiving an unnecessary warning,
then I would agree that
the passion is misplaced.  This is not about whether or not one wants to
see a warning.
Several gimp users (including me) have said that the problem is that the
file disappears.  It is gone.
It is no longer on the screen.  I don't know  how to say this more clearly.
I am not a casual gimp user.  I use the advanced features.  The
disappearance of the file is what is causing the problem, not the (useful
or unuseful) warning.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Looking back at 2013

2013-12-29 Thread Helen
However, this did not solve the problem for those of us who simply want to
continue
save as  to .ping, .jpg, or .whatever we choose.  That feature was
arbitrarily removed
for no good reason.  My wish for 2014 is that this feature will be returned.


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Maurice wrote:
  On Tuesday 24 Dec 2013 16:54:21 Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
 
  Michael Natterer reduced the save/export friction by adding
  a simple way to jump from Save to Export dialog when users attempt to
  save images in JPEG, PNG, etc.
 
That's good to hear - thank you (and Michael).
 
  In which versions of GIMP does it now appear, please, and where can a
  description of how to use it available?

 Please just use GIMP 2.8.10 :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-10 Thread Helen
Although I also hate the new feature which restricts what I can do, I don't
think taking a poll is a useful idea.  It seems to me the developers ought
to be aware, as everyone else is, that this was a bad move, that many (who
knows whether most, but certainly many) GIMP users hate it, and just allow
users the same choice we had for so many years.  If there is a down side to
allowing users to make this choice, I haven't heard what that is.


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:07 PM, vitalif for...@gimpusers.com wrote:

 Or you could just remap the keyboard shortcuts.

 I don't just want to remap the shortcuts. Because (1) sometimes I use the
 shortcut and sometimes I use the menu item (and sometimes it's Save as,
 not
 just Save) and (2) I can't save to XCF using the remapped Export. And I
 don't like pythonish save/export extensions, either, because I don't want a
 separate command for normal save.

 What constructive actions can be applied? I think these are:

 1) Just make a configuration setting for enabling/disabling the format
 restriction for Save.

 2) I think that even disabling the restriction on a permanent basis without
 adding any settings also won't harm anyone. Those who like Export will be
 able
 to still use Export, and those who dislike Export will be happy with normal
 Save.

 3) Make an online poll on some well-known site (so a sufficient amount of
 users
 could vote) to understand real proportion between those who like and those
 who
 dislike the save/export feature. Something like What option is better?
 with
 the choices like: Only one Save command, Save + Export, without
 restricting
 the Save formats, Totally separated Save and Export (with Save being
 XCF-only), and Don't care.

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Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-16 Thread Helen

 Also, when you export the image to a JPEG, if suddenly your open image
 window disappears, well that is not supposed to happen at all and sounds
 something like a GIMP program crash, but we don't have enough information
 as is to determine that.  And when GIMP crashes, you at least get a message
 telling you in no ambiguous terms that something crashed.


No, GIMP is not crashing.
The  pix.xcf is still on the screen.

Old way:   Create file 300x300, work on it.
Save as orchard.xcf, all layers intact, everything fine.
Scaled image to 72x72, named it Orchard-scaled.png (or .jpg if that's what
they ask for).
I then had that Orchard-scaled.png on my screen and I could make changes if
I wanted to before mailing it.
It seems I can't do that any more.
Now, if I want to see my 72x72 Orchard-scaled.png, I have to open it, and
as soon as I open it, it becomes
a file that I can't mail because it's no longer a .png.
So my Q, is there a way to open that .png, keep it a .png,  tweak it if I
want to, save the .png and mail it?






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Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
   When you make
 an edit on the image and you export it, the JPEG doesn't disappear and
 the edited image still shows in the image window. It's that you want to
 see the _exported_ JPEG file to confirm the export resulted in the JPEG
 file you wanted to create for the client
 I think you're thinking you have to re-open the exported JPEG file in
 GIMP to make more edits is causing some confusion.


Not exactly, no, the edited image that is now on my screen, the xcf, is
probably a resolution of 300 x 300 and may be a print size of 12 x 16;
But the exported
image is a resolution of 72 and is not meant for printing.   *That* is the
one that I have to re-open (because I can't force it not to close when I
export.)   *That's* the one I have to mail, and if I decided to make a
tweak, I can't just save and mail -- I have to export, re-open ...   I
don't see any way around the repeated reopenings except to make sure
everything I do is perfect the first time, and that's even less likely than
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Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Helen wrote:
 
  Here are the facts: every time you save your image as JPEG, you lose
  information. It is by design a lossy image format
 
 
  Exactly!   We should not have to keep opening these files!  They should
  stay on my screen until I finish with them.

 But noone's forcing you to close them.



Are you kidding?  When I export, it closes!  If you know some way that I
can keep my .png or .tif or .jpg open after saving it (aka exporting) in
that format, please tell us how.  It is the new GIMP that is forcing it to
close!


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Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Helen
Andrew  Bridget
A remark such as if you don't like it, don't use it  is rude and
unhelpful, and such remarks
should never appear on this list.   I've stayed out of the discussion of
this regression -- I hate the
change to-- but I appeal for courtesy to those who care enough to try to
communicate the
problems this is causing.  And it is causing so many problems for me that
I'm wondering if it's
going to be a game breaker.  I work with agents for my art galleries.  One
of my agents wants
everything sent as jpeg so I send her what she wants.   One wants .tif so I
send her what she
wants.  Juried exhibits ask for jpeg (I don't know why)  but this change
adds hours  to a job
that should take me half an hour.
Helen







 On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Andrew  Bridget 
 andrew_brid...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Just because a program does not perform the way you would like it to,
 doesn't make it an inferior program. GIMP is a very powerful Image Editing
 program that thousands of people use day to day. For every one that states
 in this forum that it is a regression there is probably as many that like
 the new behavior that don't post. As it has been said before if you don't
 like it, use something else, no body makes you use GIMP.


 On 14/06/2013 17:03, Crew wrote:


  In case you are not just phishing (which is unlikely, as there are
 several such emails posted recently:-)

 Given the way Adobe are moving to a subscription model, there are going
 to be a lot of new users like myself seriously looking at The Gimp in
 future.
 The recent addition of colour management finally moved The Gimp into the
 realms of being worthy of serious consideration, but trying to make it some
 sort of exclusive package that works with it's own file formats is just
 daft.
 If you can drag and drop an image into the program it should by default
 save back to the same format. Everything other program works that way,
 changing that protocol is unintuitive and just daft.

 If the discussion has had thousands of comments in the past it's pretty
 clear it's at least contentious.

 Do the developers of The Gimp want it to be taken seriously ?, or will
 they be happy just making something non-standard that will make them look
 foolish. As a potential new user that's how it's looking to me.

  You're wrong!

 The problem is NOT a lack of conventional Save command, rather a lack
 of conventional Import command!

 The program opens non-native files! That should not happen! It
 should import them so you are fully aware that you need to export to a
 non-native format.


 Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP

 Sorry, I was mistaking The Gimp for a sensible image editing program.

 If this is the sort of advice given out to new users I can see why The
 Gimp is regarded so poorly by imaging professionals.

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Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-14 Thread Helen
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ron said:
 Since Linux is all in favour of freedom of choice, how about offering the
 user an export / save choice in the Preferences dialogues ?


I wish to endorse this. The export feature could have been added without
disabling the save as feature.  And I, also, have tried to go back
to gimp 2.6, but now that I have upgraded to suse 12.3,  gimp 2.6 will not
work with the latest suse gtk
Helen




 On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Renaud OLGIATI 
 ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:

 On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:28:31 +0200
 Uniklaps uni.kl...@t-online.de wrote:

  When you open a jpg-file in GIMP 2.8 and make changes and save this
 again
  as jpg, you cannot re-change the changes you made (if file is closed).
 If
  changes are not necessary, GIMP can save as tif or jpg. (But are you
 always
  sure, that your work is perfect?)
  Saving the jpg you worked with as an GIMP xcf-file you can open it
 again and
  continue your work or go back to changes you made. With an jpg this is
 not
  possible. But: You should be familiar to the GIMP - feature layers

 Let us put it this way: If I thought I might want to undo/modify changes
 later, I would Save As (or Save As Copy) in .xcf; but when I load a .jpg,
 work on it, and Save, I know that I wont be able to undo changes, and I
 expect the saved file to replace the original one, not to have the original
 left untouched and something completely different saved.

 Andrew  Bridget andrew_brid...@btinternet.com wrote:

  Just because a program does not perform the way you would like it to,
 doesn't make it an inferior program.

 No, but it makes it more difficult, and less appealing, to use.

  As it has been said before if you don't like it, use something else, no
 body makes you use GIMP.

 I like GIMP, have liked it for fourteen years; I just dont like GIMP 2.8,

 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

   - If not, what is the latest release of GIMP that behaved in the old
 (and intuitive) way, so I can go back to that version ?

  2.6.11

 I will be now be looking for the 2.6.11 package since you kindly tols me
 it is free from that export/save sillyness.

 radar.ma...@free.fr wrote:

  but if Gimp is made easier and safer for most of people, let's trust
 our contributors.

 Since Linux is all in favour of freedom of choice, how about offering the
 user an export / save choice in the Preferences dialogues ?

 Cheers,

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Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-14 Thread Helen
 So you're saying that thinking of The Gimp as an image editing program is
  wrong then, it need to be primarily regarded as a project based
 compositing
  program ?

 That is what we've been saying for the past 7 years.


 GIMP=  Gnu Image Manipulation Program.

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Re: [Gimp-user] drop shadow

2013-06-04 Thread Helen
Steve, that's wonderful -- hand roll my own shadows!  Seems so simple and
obvious after it's explained that I wonder why I ever thought I needed a
plug-in for this.
So cool!
Thanks, Steve


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:

 On 06/03/2013 10:32 PM, Helen wrote:
  I have an image with two rectangular photos, in separate layers.
  I want each photo to have a drop shadow.   No matter what I do,
  I keep getting the drop shadow applied to the entire image, not
  to the layers.  I've tried creating the drop shadow while on the
  individual layers, while on the background, I've tried it with
  layers selected -- regardless of what I do, the drop shadow
  keeps applying to the entire image.
  I used to know how to do this!
  Help?  Suse 12.3, gimp 2.8

 Hey Helen,

 You might want to try doing Layers  Autocrop Layer against the
 layers with photos in them, before using a drop shadow plugin on
 them.  That might do the trick.

 Or make the shadows yourself - this would be my approach:

 1.  Create a new transparent layer, move it below the two layers
 with photos in them.

 2.  Select one of the layers with a photo in your Layers dock, right
 click the layer thumbnail and do Alpha to selection

 3.  Select the new transparent layer, drag and drop to the main
 canvas to fill the selection with black.

 4.  Select the other layer with a photo, right click and do Alpha
 to selection again.

 5.  Select the new transparent layer, drag and drop to fill the 2nd
 selection with black.

 6.  Do Select  None (or control + alt + a) to clear the selection.

 Your transparent layer now has two black rectangles, hidden under
 the photos in the layers above.  Use the tool at Filters  Blur 
 Gaussian Blur to soften the edges of the shadow rectangles, then
 turn on the Move tool in your main toolbox and use the arrow keys on
 your keyboard to tweak the location of the shadows.  Adjust the
 shadow layer's transparency if required.

 :o)

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[Gimp-user] drop shadow

2013-06-03 Thread Helen
I have an image with two rectangular photos, in separate layers.
I want each photo to have a drop shadow.   No matter what I do,
I keep getting the drop shadow applied to the entire image, not
to the layers.  I've tried creating the drop shadow while on the
individual layers, while on the background, I've tried it with
layers selected -- regardless of what I do, the drop shadow
keeps applying to the entire image.
I used to know how to do this!
Help?  Suse 12.3, gimp 2.8
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[Gimp-user] gimp 2.8 brushes

2013-05-29 Thread Helen
I recently upgraded to suse 12.3 and now have gimp 2.8.   (I like 2.6 much
better, but that's not the question.)  I lost my
personal brushes, but I have the old brushes on another machine.  Is there
any reason I should not move my old (2.6) brushes
into gimp 2.8?   My fear is that the 2.6 brushes may not work with 2.8, but
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[Gimp-user] gimp colors

2013-05-07 Thread Helen
I've been trying for days to print a small 4x6  picture that I drew in
gimp.

I've even spent quite a bit of $ putting new print cartridges in my
printer, even
though they were not empty.  Just trying to cover everything I can think of.

The picture just comes out pink.  There should be no pink in this picture.
I have lots of trashed pages printed with Gimp, one with LibreOffice tex,
one with LibreOffice Draw.  There are also thin vertical white lines on the
print.   It looks fine if Print Preview.  All settings on both file and
printer
are set to Best.   RGB color.

Using Linux, Suse 12, gimp 2.6.11,  printer Epson Stylus 1400.  Thanks
for any ideas.
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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp colors

2013-05-07 Thread Helen
Thanks Rolf,
I'm not sure whether you overlooked that I'd already done that, or whether
what you're
suggesting is somehow different from what I did.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Rolf Steinort i...@meetthegimp.org wrote:

 Hi Helen,

 On 07.05.2013 16:59, Helen wrote:



 I've been trying for days to print a small 4x6  picture that I drew in
 gimp.

 I've even spent quite a bit of $ putting new print cartridges in my
 printer, even
 though they were not empty.  Just trying to cover everything I can think
 of.

 The picture just comes out pink.  There should be no pink in this picture.
 I have lots of trashed pages printed with Gimp, one with LibreOffice tex,
 one with LibreOffice Draw.  There are also thin vertical white lines on
 the
 print.   It looks fine if Print Preview.  All settings on both file and
 printer
 are set to Best.   RGB color.


 There are a lot of possibilities - it can be GIMP, Linux, your printer or
 other stuff.

 I would try this:

 - export the image as a JPEG, in the original size and good quality.

 - import that image into a Libre Office text document with the size of
 your paper as the document size

 - print that from Libre Office.


 If this comes out OK, GIMP is the culprit, if not, then it's Linux or your
 printer. These white stripes can be caused by a not properly aligned print
 head.

 I hope this helps!

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[Gimp-user] GIMP print

2013-04-04 Thread Helen
Printing a picture in landscape mode, with GIMP.

Picture has lakes, sky, trees, rooftops, mountains, etc.

In Gimp, some of the dark trees, and the dark areas of shrubbery around a
path, have
big open white blotches.  After doing everything I know to do in GIMP, I
opened OOo,
inserted the pictures into a frame, and printed the picture.
The big white spots are missing, and the picture actually looks pretty good.
This tells me (I think) that the problem is not the printer (Epson Styus
1400) or
the picture (I flattened it, thinking maybe something about the layers
might cause
that problem.)
In Gimp 2.6, Suse 12,  I'm setting  Image Quality high, Color Precision
best, Print Quality high.
Oh, and these are not random white spots.  Each print (wasting lots of ink
and paper here) has
the big white spots in the same places -- the same trees, the same
shrubbery, same shapes
to the white blotches.
Any ideas?

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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP print

2013-04-04 Thread Helen
Patrick, ok I've done that now.  It  is here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ettervor/8618757171/in/photostream
All the dark trees/shrubs have big white blotches on the print.  Of course,
the problem is only on the print, not on the digital file.
But as I said, when I print it via  odt (OO0 text document) it prints ok.
(But I want gallery quality, so can't just say, well,
ok then, use OO.)


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.comwrote:

 * Helen etter...@gmail.com [04-04-13 11:47]:
  Printing a picture in landscape mode, with GIMP.
 
  Picture has lakes, sky, trees, rooftops, mountains, etc.
 
  In Gimp, some of the dark trees, and the dark areas of shrubbery around
  a path, have big open white blotches.  After doing everything I know to
  do in GIMP, I opened OOo, inserted the pictures into a frame, and
  printed the picture.
  The big white spots are missing, and the picture actually looks pretty
  good.  This tells me (I think) that the problem is not the printer
  (Epson Styus 1400) or the picture (I flattened it, thinking maybe
  something about the layers might cause that problem.)
  In Gimp 2.6, Suse 12,  I'm setting  Image Quality high, Color Precision
  best, Print Quality high.
  Oh, and these are not random white spots.  Each print (wasting lots of
  ink and paper here) has the big white spots in the same places -- the
  same trees, the same shrubbery, same shapes to the white blotches.
  Any ideas?

 Not w/o seeing the image, but please do not post it to the list.  Provide
 a place for viewing the image.

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Re: [Gimp-user] gradient tool

2013-03-25 Thread Helen
I appreciate the responses, which led me to experimenting.  I don't seem to
have the Gradient Editor.  I guess it's time to upgrade from gimp 2.6.  But
even if I did have the Editor, I can see that it's beyond my level.
Thanks all -- I'll keep playing with it.
Helen

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Richard Gitschlag 
strata_ran...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On the one hand, using the Gradient Editor you can assign individual nodes
 to reference the foreground or background color instead of using a
 fixed color (right click a node handle and select the Color Type),
 however something like the Tube Red is actually a bit more complicated than
 a FG/BG fade (it uses more than two colors) so no, you can't just change
 its color to something else - you'd have to apply a consistent change the
 hue across like five nodes.  It's certainly doable, it just isn't as simple
 as it looks. :(

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 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gradient tool

 Thanks, yes, I've found that one, and it works to fill an entire
 selection.  But I like
 the 3-d effects of, for example, the Tube Red.   The sharp crisp color and
 the sense
 of depth,  but not the red.   I guess there's no way to turn it green and
 blue w/o
 loosing the sense of depth that it gives.
 I can go to color balance, or to various ways to color it after I've used
 it, but all those
 ways cancel out the depth effect.  So I guess I'd have to be able to
 choose the colors
 before using the gradient.


 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Owen rc...@pcug.org.au wrote:


  Rectangular SelectionBlend tool Gradient  
  then pick oh, maybe Burning Transparency for example,
  or Tube Red  --   Is there any way to choose the colors for
  those gradients?  To make them FG  BG Colors for
  example?



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Re: [Gimp-user] gradient tool

2013-03-25 Thread Helen
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Richard Gitschlag 
strata_ran...@hotmail.com wrote:

 But the Gradient Editor has been around pretty much forever, its window is
 just not loaded into the toolboxes by default.  Try double-clicking a
 gradient from the Gradients dialog (on its icon/preview, not its name),
 this should bring up the Gradient Editor.



Nope.  Doesn't.  I had already tried that actually, and also tried the four
methods described on the web page (which I happily bookmarked ).  I don't
seem to have that edit feature. I did find that the Land and Sea gradient,
in conical shape, does something close to what I'm trying to do.
Helen
GIMP 2.6 on Suse Linux




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 CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org

 I appreciate the responses, which led me to experimenting.  I don't seem
 to have the Gradient Editor.  I guess it's time to upgrade from gimp 2.6.
 But even if I did have the Editor, I can see that it's beyond my level.
 Thanks all -- I'll keep playing with it.
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[Gimp-user] gradient tool

2013-03-24 Thread Helen
Rectangular SelectionBlend tool Gradient  
then pick oh, maybe Burning Transparency for example,
or Tube Red  --   Is there any way to choose the colors for
those gradients?  To make them FG  BG Colors for
example?
Thanks,
Helen
Using GIMP 2.6.11  on linux, Suse 12
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Re: [Gimp-user] gradient tool

2013-03-24 Thread Helen
Thanks, yes, I've found that one, and it works to fill an entire
selection.  But I like
the 3-d effects of, for example, the Tube Red.   The sharp crisp color and
the sense
of depth,  but not the red.   I guess there's no way to turn it green and
blue w/o
loosing the sense of depth that it gives.
I can go to color balance, or to various ways to color it after I've used
it, but all those
ways cancel out the depth effect.  So I guess I'd have to be able to choose
the colors
before using the gradient.


On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Owen rc...@pcug.org.au wrote:


  Rectangular SelectionBlend tool Gradient  
  then pick oh, maybe Burning Transparency for example,
  or Tube Red  --   Is there any way to choose the colors for
  those gradients?  To make them FG  BG Colors for
  example?



 In the Blend Tool options, you can set the gradient to FG to BG


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[Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text

2013-02-19 Thread Helen
I apologize if this goes out twice. I believe my first effort bounced.


On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:


 It's usually better just to have an opaque signature: it's harder to
 remove and can become a part of the artwork.


Browsing and reading this I'm reminded of my problem w/signature brush.
Several
years ago, I made a brush by signing my name in black ink onto a white
paper and
scanning that paper.  I use it unobtrusively in bottom right corner when I
print photos
to frame for gallery showings.  The problem is this:  I can't remember how
I made the
background transparent.   I have about 12 sig brushes which are no good
because
with all of them, I used an eraser to get the white background off --
messy.  I know there is
a good method of doing this -- I did it years ago -- but I've tried many
times over many
months, and can't recall how I made the signature black with transparent
background.
Does my question make sense?  How is that done?  (The brush I made
successfully
has my name with 2008, and I just erase the date every time I use it, but
I'd like to
know how to do it again and do it right.)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text

2013-02-19 Thread Helen
I guess I need more detail.  I've done this, and I'm attaching the
result.  In case attachments aren't allowed, or you can't see it,
 I'll tell you that there is messy white space all the way around the sig.
The steps I took were to open the scanned sig, copy, paste as brush, and
then used it to sign a pix.  White mess all around.
Thanks for any help - I think I  just need more detail.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:

 On 02/19/2013 11:56 AM, Gunold Brunbauer wrote:

  Color - Color to Transparency

 a.k.a. Colors  Color to Alpha

 :o)



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Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text

2013-02-19 Thread Helen
Sorry!!!   I can't see to do this in one mailing!   I did
do the color - color to alpha before I did the
copy/paste as brush.  Thanks for your patience.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess I need more detail.  I've done this, and I'm attaching the
 result.  In case attachments aren't allowed, or you can't see it,
  I'll tell you that there is messy white space all the way around the sig.
 The steps I took were to open the scanned sig, copy, paste as brush, and
 then used it to sign a pix.  White mess all around.
 Thanks for any help - I think I  just need more detail.

 On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.netwrote:

 On 02/19/2013 11:56 AM, Gunold Brunbauer wrote:

  Color - Color to Transparency

 a.k.a. Colors  Color to Alpha

 :o)



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Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text

2013-02-19 Thread Helen
Thank you!   I'm going through it now.   Open Source users are such a
generous lot!
Thanks

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Tobias Lunte tobias.lu...@hfg-gmuend.dewrote:

  I've created a quick screencap. Hopefully, this will clear any
 misunderstandings.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXKPKMiUko8

 bw,
 Tobias Lunte//Tobl



 Am 19.02.2013 18:22, schrieb Helen:

 I guess I need more detail.  I've done this, and I'm attaching the
 result.  In case attachments aren't allowed, or you can't see it,
  I'll tell you that there is messy white space all the way around the sig.
 The steps I took were to open the scanned sig, copy, paste as brush, and
 then used it to sign a pix.  White mess all around.
 Thanks for any help - I think I  just need more detail.

 On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.netwrote:

 On 02/19/2013 11:56 AM, Gunold Brunbauer wrote:

  Color - Color to Transparency

 a.k.a. Colors  Color to Alpha

 :o)



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Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text

2013-02-19 Thread Helen
Wow!   I've never done a vector path, but what you did is so clear and
clean that I only wish I
had not cropped off my last name before sending the file!  Is vector path a
gimp tool?  I'll look it up.
Something new to learn.   Thank you!

Helen


On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:

 On 02/19/2013 01:37 PM, Burnie West wrote:

  It looks to me like the original signature scan had the artifacts
  around it.

 Same here - and very low resolution.  The signature itself is only
 64 x 142 pixels, and the artifacts look like they could have come
 from scaling an earlier copy in an indexed format.

 If possible I would start over with a new signature and scan, at 300
 DPI or above, with black ink on white paper.  Then, applying the
 filter Colors  Color to Alpha would produce a much more acceptable
 result.  The more uniform the color and texture of the paper (or
 etc.) used, the more certain the result.

 Or you could go in a whole other direction, make a vector path from
 the available signature, stroke it with an oblong brush with its
 angle and hardness tweaked, and use the result.  This would be a
 typical part of creating a logo from a signature.  Just for an
 exercise, I did that:

 http://pilobilus.net/xfer/helen.zip

 Picture worth way more than a thousand words.

 :o)

 Steve





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