[Goanet] mulsims planned bomb blasts in goa
Thanks to the massive migration of muslims into goa from neighboring states the situation is ideal for creation of sleeper cells. The following item suggests that muslim terrorists palnned bomb blasts on goan beaches to possibly target israeli tourists. if these things dont rouse goans from their slumbers i dont know what will ! http://www.hindu.com/2008/02/02/stories/2008020256001200.htm regards b Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[Goanet] CHRISTIANS synonymous with LOVE
John Monteiro in his post QUIET RIGHTLY said, in his topic about: White Woman's Woe ... For Indian men, nothing's fairer than white, and nothing 'mo (JOHN MONTEIRO) 1. Men CAN control themselves if they are EDUCATED to respect women. 2. All molesters are deserving of severe punishment, though I do not believe --- 1. In some religions women are punished even if they are raped, is there synonymous love of humans, or the 'correct sort' of education there? No! because they are brought up to believe that women are always guilty, no matter what. 2. In some religions rules are laid down in such a way that the molesters go free, eg. if a woman is raped; she should have two men witnesses (not women). That is what I meant in my previous post, that Christianity is the only religion that teaches us what is right and wrong. No other religion other than the Jew/Christian Religion has the rules laid down - the Ten Commandments (fundamentals). ED.
[Goanet] Report from Cuncolim...
REPORT OF THE ONE DAY STATE LEVEL SEMINAR ON 'CNTEMPORARY GOA: ISSUES OF DEVELOMENT, TRANSITION AND CONFLICT' HELD ON 29TH JANUARY 2008 HOSTED BY CES COLLEGE OF ARTS AND COMMERCE, CUNCOLIM IN COLLABORATION WITH THE WESTERN REGION OF THE INDIAN COUNCIL OF SOCIAL SCIENCE RESEARCH [From Sharon da Cruz] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one day State Level Seminar on Contemporary Goa: Issues of Development and Conflict was held 29th January 2008 at the Audio Visual Hall of CES College of Arts and Commerce, Cuncolim. The Convenor of the seminar, Dr. Sharon da Cruz was very clear in her objectives. In the proposal that was submitted to the ICSSR, she specified that the Seminar that would focus on the challenges before the post liberated Goan society was one step ahead in the process of acquiring, preserving and disseminating the features of Goan society then and now and the developments, transitions and conflicts that have taken place therein since liberation. In his welcome address, the Principal Dr. L. G Naik outlined the broad objectives of the Seminar and welcomed the academicians and activists that represented the different for a across the state. Speaking on the occasion, the Chief Guest; the Honourable Chief Minister of Goa, Mr. Digambar Kamat stated that the issues that are pertinent to the future of the State have to be discussed at academic forums and a comprehensive solution to all the problems that afflict Goa in contemporary times has to be arrives at so that the Government can evolve a pro-active and practical solution to resolve such problems. Focusing on the concept of the 'responsibility of the people', he stated that the Government could not be always blamed for anything and everything that happens in the State. He further stated that he was always responsive to the demands of the people of Goa and that it was precisely for that reason that he had withdrawn the SEZs that were planned out in the State and did not do anything wrong by doing so. In his address, the former Union Minister for Law and the Guest of Honour, Adv. Ramakant Khalap provided a brief survey of the socio-economic and political developments in the post liberation scenario and highlighted several issues like the present status and lacunae in the Tenancy legislations, land reforms, the social service schemes, the rationing system etc. He stated that many of the 'old occupations' were being abandoned and the unprecedented expansion of the service sector was among the many factors that was responsible for the same. Harping on the fact that development is likely to bring about a transition and a transition is bound to result in a conflict, he lauded the efforts of the College in addressing the developments, transitions and conflicts that have taken place in Contemporary Goa ever since its liberation in 1961 and stated that the Government has to make concentrated efforts to promote such research. The keynote speaker Mr. Roland Martins, the Convenor of the Goa Civic and Consumer Awareness Network tired to link the concept of development as being intrinsically linked to transition and to a subsequent conflict. Having briefed the audience about the various conflicts and agitations that have taken place in Goa since liberation, he stated that the unprecedented pace of development was leading to conflicts between the people on one hand and the beneficiaries of development on the other. He also emphasized on the role of the teaching fraternity in identifying, deliberating upon and arriving at feasible solutions to ensure the future progress of the State and on the empowerment of the people at the grassroot level to fight against a 'democratic' nexus that does not give priority to the people of Goa. In the first technical session on 'The features of Contemporay Goan Society and the aftermath of Evangelsation, Lusitanisation, 'Denatinalisation' and Colonialism on Goan Society' that was chaired by Dr. Narayan Dessai, the Principal of S. S Angle Higher Secondary, Mashem; Dr. Nandakumar Sawant, Reader at the Department of Geography, S. P Chowgule College of Arts and Science, Margao presented a paper entitled 'Goa: Immigration and Issues…A post liberation scenario' in which he addressed the causes and processes that were related to immigration and the effects of the same on post liberation Goa. On the basis of a survey, he identified the various causes of the diverse conflicts that are taking place in Goan society and raised important questions like 'empowerment' and 'identity'. In his much appreciated paper on 'Goan Christian life as seen by a Hindu writer as found in the fiction of Damodar Mauzo', the Head of Department of English at Dempo College of Commerce, Altinho, Mr. Agusto Pinto analysed Damodar Mauzos' view of himself as an observer or rather a commentator of the socio-cultural life of the Christians. He also pointed out Mauzos' depiction of the family life of the Catholics and reviewed the novel Carmelin in which Mauzo
Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Rajan - re RKN and Bhandare
Bhandare/Bhandari wrote: Like yourself, I am a stickler for facts too..something that many goanetters cannot come to terms with.. Folks, On the premise that Bhandari checked and then re-checked his factual statement before he posted the above, I had to find out what stickler meant. Here is how Wikipedia describes it: The stickler syndrome is characterized by a distinctive facial appearance, eye abnormalities, hearing loss, and joint problems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stickler_syndrome Mervyn3.0 “Facts are many, but the truth is one.” - Rabindranath Tagore - Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Daily Haiku #2
DAILY HAIKU #2: __ THEATRO _ entrepreneur de teatro, bonaventur de pietro. __ Aunty, Famous Indians, Haiku, Churchill cartoons, etc: http://2008goanconvention.com/blog/index.php _
Re: [Goanet] Vagator redux
What are the odds, the events that created the rocks you see sprawling on Goan beaches, were also responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs? Undoubtedly, this is a pretty loaded question. All along, like many Goans, I assumed that the rocky beaches in Goa, were the result of millions of years of erosion. Well, that's just part of the story. After reading alternative theories, I have changed my assumptions ... While most Indians have come across the term Deccan Plateau in geography classes, not many, however, know much about its history. The so called Deccan Traps or the vocanic eruptions that created them, occured some 65 million years ago - about the same time the dinosaurs disappeared. The only theory that is leading the explanation for the extinction of the dinosaurs, is the chicxulub crater theory. According to the proponents of this theory, a huge asteroid slammed into the Earth, at chicxulub in Mexico about 65 million years ago, and that this event wiped out the dinosaurs. During my routine web crawl a few months ago, I came across a shocking but convincing altenative theory that the Indian Deccan Traps may have been equally responsible for the disappearance of the dinosaurs. And then I came across a web site run by an Australian, that says the rocky beaches found in Goa and elsewhere on the west coast of India, were the result of the Deccan volcanoes. If volcanoes created the Deccan Traps, the question becomes, where are the volcanoes now? Well, the explanation to that question is that, the then island, which we now call India, was splitting away from the African continental plate and moving north towards mainland Asia. As it pushed north, it passed over a Hot Spot in the Earth's crust, it punched holes into the moving Indian continental plate above, spewing the volcanic ash. The Hot Spot is now located under the Reunion Island in the Indian Occean. Please see the links below: http://www.volcanolive.com/deccan.html http://www.livescience.com/animals/071112-dino-volcanoes.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9union_hotspot Does anybody have anything to add or dis-prove this theory? Jim F. New York. -- Original message -- From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Fernandes wrote: Could someone take a look at Rajan's pictures and explain with a scientific reason, how the rocks got to the beach down there? Jim F, Those rocks have always been there. They were much larger 40 years ago. The sea has washed away the soil from around the rocks and left bare the harder material. Mervyn3.0
Re: [Goanet] Liar Liar
Addressing a press conference this noon, Mr Parrikar took serious objection to the charge, stating If Mr Kamat cannot prove his allegations then he should seek an apology from the Goans for spreading false information. Great logic! Mr Kamat should seek an apology from the Goans for his statement! I guess Mr Parrikar spoke in Konkani and the Navhind Times reporter got it wrong in translation. Cheers, RKN
[Goanet] FW: Our confused M.P.
_ From: Averthan D'Souza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 February 2008 12:49 To: Gomantak Times ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); Herald Goa; Goan Observer Subject: Our confused M.P. Dear Editor, The (dubiously) honourable M.P. from South Goa appears to be suffering from chronic mental malfunction. He has made contradictory statements on the Special Economic Zones and on the proposed Mopa airport. On the one hand, he praised the Chief Minister for scrapping the SEZs because this was in the best interest of the people of Goa, but on the other hand, he reiterates his view that SEZs are good for Goa because they will provide employment for the local youth. Similarly, he has being blowing hot and cold on the proposed international airport at Mopa. Quite obviously he makes his public pronouncements before he has taken the trouble to study the issues in depth. He definitely needs to employ an Advisor to assist him in his function as the representative of the Goan people in Parliament. His latest faux-pas is his reported statement that he will introduce an amendment in Parliament to the Noise Pollution Act. This assurance was reportedly given to the newly formed Goa Tourism and Entertainment Association, which is seeking to extend the prohibition of amplified music from 10 p.m. to midnight.Earlier, he had promised to introduce a Private Member's Bill in Parliament to make bull fights legal. Our M.P. is acquiring notoriety for always backing the wrong bull (or is it horse?). The Goa Tourism and Entertainment Association, which is a motley crowd of uninformed and obviously ill-advised people are barking up the wrong tree. First of all, their ire is directed against the Madhya Pradesh Control of Music and Noises Act, 1951 which was sought to be made applicable to Goa by the Goa Amendment Bill, 2000.However, the Central Government issued a Notification (S.O. 123 (E) dated 14 February, 2000 under the Noise Pollution (Control and Regulation) Rules, 1999 under the Environment (Protection) Act, 1986 ( 29 of 1986) which supersedes all State Laws on the subject. The agitation of the Goa Tourism and Entertainment Association, against the Goa Government therefore, is misdirected and meaningless. The subject of Noise Pollution is now within the jurisdiction of the Central Government, and the State Government cannot override any legislation which is passed by Parliament.It is amazing that some of the lawyers who were present at the meeting, and who, obviously, provided the legal advice to this group, were not aware of the legal status of the Noise Pollution Rules. Apart from the legalities, however, the control of noise pollution is a social necessity. These interested persons, who are only concerned about their businesses, should show a sense of social responsibility by respecting the rights of the ordinary citizens, specially, the aged, the ill and the children, who suffer immensely from the inordinate noise generated by these so-called promoters of tourism. Tourists, as well as local citizens, want peace and serenity rather than noise. Yours truly, Averthanus L. D'Souza, D-13, La Marvel Colony, Dona Paula, Goa 403 004. Tel: 2453628.
Re: [Goanet] Makka nakka Mopa
Dear Minguel, The quicker U and me and all Goans fight against / vote against Mopa, the faster the Navy will be planning to get out of Dabolim, and go to Sea Bird, whre they 'BELONG as planned from the first planning for 'Sea Bird' Karwar. This way We do not have to wait for the Navy to get out; rather we force the Navy out of Dabolim as they will not be able to handle the load on Dabolim and satisfy the wishes aof Goan people, and the demand by Civilian Aircraft! This is as should be! The Goan People should and MUST PREVAIL! Nasci Caldeira -- --- Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dears, My vote against Mopa would depend on the Indian Navy vacating Dabolim. Mind you, I am not anti-national. The Navy needs Dabolim as much as the 2 STC needs its HQ near Dempo House and Panaji market, may be even less after the Seabird base has been commissioned [is that the right word for it?] near Karwar. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail
[Goanet] SON'VARACHIM SUNGTTAM : Xeboi, Xeboi Mungllurkara !
XEBOI, XEBOI MUNGLLURKARA ! - Prof. Jose Salvador Fernandes http://sonvarchimsungttam.blogspot.com/2008/02/xeboi-xeboi-mungllurkara.html MUNGLLUR: Khub vorsamni, Janearche 26ver tisre pavtt Mongllur vochun ailom. Mungllurche Mandd Sobhann he sonvskrutik sonvsthen ghoddun haddlole Konknni Nirantari karyavollik tenko diunk gel'lom. Mhoje sangata Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendracho Son'chalok Pri. Pratap Naik, Goy Vidhan Sobhecho adlo Sobhapoti Tomazinho Cardozo, nanvosto Konknni boroupi Bonaventure D'Pietro, 'Daily Goa News Clippings'-acho Joel D'Souza, Konknniche Romi lipicher zalele onitichem pustok khoinchea-i vellar torkik ritin (logically) Net-avelean ani inglez potrantlean sonvsarak pottoun diupi Miguel Braganza ani nanvosto veang-chitrkar (cartoonist) Alexyz-acho put Clyde Fernandes aslo. Tea xivai, Mungllurchea Kalaangnnant amkam Domnic's Goa pustokacho boroupi urbehorit Domnic Fernandes mell'lo ani ami thoimsor satanche att Goykar zale. GOY: Goy hem Konknnichem kullar, mullpitt, kalliz mhunn ami Goykar miroitanv. Hem zorui khorem aslem, torui hea Konknni kullarantlea, mullpittantlea Goyantlea Konknni mon'xak Konknnicho asunk zai titlo obhiman na. Konknni Guinnes Book of World Records-ant veta hi kedi vhoddli Konknni mon'xak obhimanachi gozal? He gozalik noitik (moral) tenko diunk tori Goychea Konknneanche londde Kalaangnn-ant hajir asunk naka asle? Pois mhunnon vochunk na kai? Punn Fevrerache 1ler thaun Keralachea Ernakulam vattarant Akhil Bharoti Porixod bhorlea ani ti thoimsor tin dis choltoli. He porixodek sumar 250 Goykar geleat oxem aikunk ani vachunk mellta. Goychean lagim aslolea Mungllurant pavonastana, Mungllura poros fuddem aslolea Keralant koxe pavtat tor Goykar? Vo Goykar Mungllurkarank 'Konknni monis'mhunn mandinastana Konknniche 'porke' mhunn mandtat kai? Oxem asot tor, ek lipi, ek bhas ani ek somaz ho proytn kitlo promannik asa tor? Kholayen vichar korpa sarki gozal hi! MUNGLLUR: Songitachem koslench 'formal' xikxonn gheunk naslem torui ostad songitkar mhunn nanvak pavlolo niz Konknni monis Xri Eric Ozario-chea fuddariponna khala Konknni Nirantari karyavoll zali. Sonvsarachea panvddear Konknnik Guinness Book of World Records-ant vhorche khatir Mandd Sobhann-an ghoddoilole Kalaanganache mukhel machier hi karyavoll zali. Ekar-ek korun he karyavollint 44 pongddamni - zantum 1500 gavpeancho aspav aslo - 600 gitam galim. Mhonnche eka pongddan 55.00 mintam tem 1.00 vorachea vellant 15 gitam nirontorim gailim. Hea 44 pongddanchea zomeant Goychea fokot don pongddancho - Elvis Goesacho 'Kepemchim Kirnnam' ani Konknni Bhaxa Mondollacho odheokx Purnanand Charicho 'Goa Poorna' - aspav aslo. GOY: Konknnik sonvsarachea panvddear vhorche khatir Konknni Nirantari karyavollint jea 44 pongddamni nirontori Konknni gitam gailim te pongodd choddxe firgojentle zome asle. Konknni Niranrtorim karyavollint gitam gavpak khuxi asloleamni sompork sadcho oxem Mandd Sobhann sonvsthen khobram madheomantlean ani 'Net'-avelean khobor jahir kel'li. Oxea vellar, Konkan vattarantlea khubxea Konknneanchim monam-kallzam zagovlim. Punn Goyant fokot Punarnand Charichem kalliz-mon zagoulem. Kiteak Charin, khuxen apunn yeta mhunn Mandd Sobhannak gomoilem. 'Kepemchim Kirnnam' zomeak Eric Ozarion aplea khasgi sombondacher apoilo. Na zalear Goycho to-ui pongodd thoimsor hajir astolo kai na hacho dubav aslo. Goyantlea choddan-chodd ganvamni-firgozamni gavpi pongodd asat. Resperank, koslea-i dobajeank kitle-i pois vochun motte umedin Konknni gitam gaitat. Punn tankam hi umed yeta ti fokot poixeank polleun oxem mhaka promannikponnan dista. Hi tor fott zalear, he pongodd Kalaangnnant kiteak disunk nant tor? Manddo spordhent bhag gheun inamam zodddlele pongodd hea vellar khoim asle? Tiatristamni Konknni samball'lea mhonnpi Konknniche 'melody' ani 'felody king' khoim asle tor ? Konknnichea mullpittantle Goykar fokot inamachim ani duddvanchim tonddam polleun kamam kortat osoch tacho orth zalo mu? MUNGLLUR: Hi 'Konknni Nirantari' karyavoll ghoddoun haddunk Mandd Sobhann sonvsthen 30 lakh rupianchea khorchacho odmas kel'lo. Ho khorch zomounche khatir he sonvsthen 6 mhoine sumara bhailo tokhos gheun ani lagu zaupi Konkan vattarantlea ghoram-ghoramni bhonvon, 31 Janerachem 'Sunaprant' disallem mhonnta 10 lakh rupia zomoile. Tea xivai Mandd Sobhann sonvsthen videxant-ui bhonvddi korun vetbhor potta khatir thoim nokri kortelea Konknni mon'xam mukhar aplo hetu manddlo. Ani hea Konknnichea niz mogiamni, je choddan-chodd Mungllurkar asle (Mungllurche 'NRI' te) ugtea monan, udar kallzan, sodoll hatamni ani Konknni bhaxechea obhimanan aple kuveti pormannem duddu dile. Mandd Sobhannan Konknni Nirantari nimitan uzvadda haddlole yadostikecher duddvanche dennge vixinchi mahiti dilea tacho 'total' kelear na-na mhonnlear he sonvsthek 60 lakh rupia odikuch denngi mell'li. Tea bhair, Konknni Nirantari karyavollichea xevottak legit Mandd Sobhannak Konknnicho vaur fuddem
[Goanet] Paanwallah lobby threatens to riot
To Goanet - I'm kidding. But that is the kind of headline you may read in another 5 years if things are allowed to run their natural course in Goa. I was spectating the Sack Jamir meeting called by the BJP in Panjim today. On the sidelines, waiting to meet Manohar Parrikar with their complaints, was a gaggle of paanwallahs, hawkers and squatters from UP, Bihar, MP etc etc, some of them who haven't been in Goa for even a month. A couple of days back, the CCP conducted a complete sweep of the city and put these illegal ghati encroachers squatters out of business. But these fellows are organized and they know the ropes here - whom to meet, whom to pay hafta to, and so on. The ringleader seemed to be the Miramar paanwallah-cum-pimp. The recipe is well-known now: encroach and squat on public space, conduct your illegal business for a while, then claim the spot is yours, and raise hell if asked to move. The human rights NGOs will then move in, demand rehabilitation and blame anyone who objects to this usurpation of public land as anti-poor and anti-migrant. This story has been perfected in the toilets that are other Indian cities today (which is how they got to be toilets). Do we want Panjim (and Goa) to walk the same route? These scum should be kicked out of Goa. For these chaps, the applicable point concerning the law is: you are guilty until proven guilty. Now get lost. Regards, r Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet] Salvation of non-Christians
Dear Nigel, If I have asked for proof of God's existence in the past, I humbly apologise for expecting anyone to be able to provide the impossible. The crux of the matter is the definition of the word God. This changes with time and with the revelation of information which was once considered only divine. I believe that a creative spirit dwells within me that I could refer to as 'god' but I don't expect you to worship Me !! There are countless stories of atheists reconverting to a belief system. In fact, one of Fr. Jude's compatriots on holyspiritinteractive.net , Aneel Aranha is one such convert. http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/aneelaranha/returnoftheprodigal/ Religion and a belief system were devised to help us live in a natural world. As we elucidate how the system works ( I assume you believe that the earth now goes around the sun ) we push the goalposts further back into unexplored or unexplained territory still claimed by God. Your repudiation of the 'theory' of evolution reveals an immaturity of your scientific knowledge but a robustness of your faith, which is the way Christianity would like it to be. I was impressed with your blog and achievements. I would encourage you to keep up your quest for the truth. It took me 45 years to see the light ;-) Sincerely, Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. = Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:55:11 +0530 From: Nigel Britto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mr.Saldanha, The very fact that you're asking for proof for God's existence is proof that God exists. . . The atheist later became a Christian. . . The skies, the clouds, thunder, the mountains, lightning, lakes, Himalayas, air, everything! Even the solar system. , , , Talking about evolution too. Darwin came up with this absurdity in the late 19th century, without any proof, and surprisingly it has found its way into most science books. -- Truth Liberates, Nigel Britto http://amicusnaturae.blogspot.com -- http://2008goanconvention.com http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/ecp/content/goans.html
[Goanet] Sex and man
Hi Albert, What was the big idea of this topic on Goanet? Were you on the Feni again? In what way is it going to help us? I don't see the pont. Please enlighten me. ED. Albert said: Dear Goanetters, Many of you must have read in the newspaper how a man from uttar Pradesh came to Goa with his daughter -etc etc.
[Goanet] Liar Liar...
I was trying to study what's in the message LIAR LIAR is about! Right than my son dropped in my room to ask me a query on his subject difficulty. Realizing that I am glued to reading Goanet posting .he said Pupatell your beloved net members that there is a saying called Donkey always praises his own tail. Donkey should realize his mistake...and we are suffering ...rather suffocating because of such Donkey rule...Please stop this reading and help me in my subject... I just could not understand what he was trying to convey ...can any one in the net help me understand the philosophy of my son .. Best regards Uday
[Goanet] Bend over, Goans. Mr Sharma wants to drill.
To Goanet - Refer to my Jan 25 posting, The lowdown on the Batim farmhouse, archived at - http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068366.html This morning I went for a drive around the area with my wife. And what do I see? Mr Sharma has made considerable progress since my last visit 8-9 days back. In a small clearing achieved by knocking down the fence and cutting down trees, a borewell has been drilled not too far from the farmhouse. I was not carrying my 5D, but fortunately my wife had her small camera with her. See - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-farmhouse-5.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-farmhouse-6.jpg What will it take for Goans to be outraged? Only the Utt Goenkara folks have evinced a modicum of interest in pursuing this case. Not a peep from any of the other Save Goa keyboard warriors who no doubt read this group religiously. Regards, r Refer to my initial post titled Another illegal construction? on Goanet (Sunday, Jan 20, 2008) archived here - http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068087.html Today - Jan 26, 2008 - I dropped by the Batim panchayat to seek more details. The sarpanch this time dropped another name - Lalit Sharma, of Chandigarh. When I asked about his earlier reference of Kiran Dhingra he mumbled something about them being related but didn't have any specifics. The papers are all in the name of Lalit Sharma. A quick Google search with the keywords Kiran Dhingra Lalit Sharma gave this - http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070804/cth1.htm#6 Looks like they are all part of the same stinking IAS swamp. I photographed what seemed to me the relevant papers from the file. The application is for a farmhouse. Question: does this look like a farmhouse to you? The plan (see the jpeg below) shows a structure with only the ground floor but the actual construction is a grand ground+1 floor bungalow. Would any architect on Goanet comment on this? http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-3.jpg If someone wants to pursue this, let me know. I shall furnish the relevant contact details of the Batim sarpanch and the panchayat secretary. Here I am attaching jpegs of some relevant documents. http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-farmhouse-plan-1.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-farmhouse-plan-2.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-farmhouse-0.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-farmhouse-1.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-farmhouse-2.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-farmhouse-3.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/batim-farmhouse-4.jpg Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Goanet.....and To kill a Mocking-bird
Dear Goanetters,My favourite book ( and according to the blurb on the edition I own , the # 2 all time bestseller after The Holy Bible )My favourite line in the book ( Atticus saying to his daughter Scout ) :If you can learn a simple trick , Scout , you'll get along better with all kinds of folks . You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view -- UNTIL YOU CLIMB INTO HIS SKIN AND WALK AROUND IN IT Marshall-bab made a very valid point when he said that I should look at the Goan political scene from the Catholic point of view in order to comprehend better as to why the BJP is not a savoury political option for most Catholics in Goa. I am trying my best to climb into the Catholic's skin and walk around It may help a lot if the other BJP / RSS / Hindutva supporters on this forum try to do the same. Vice versa , the staunch Congress / Catholic supporters on this forum would do well to climb into my skin and try to fathom why mild /moderate persons like me are so strongly in favour of a BJP government in Goa in spite ( and NOT because ) of their obvious Hindutva agenda and / or their well known links with hardcore pro-Hindu organisations.And I say persons rather than Hindu's because there are increasingly more Goan Catholics who are switching loyalties to the BJP ( for instance, in the June assembly elections , it was pretty evident from ward wise voting patterns that the Catholics saved Manohar Parrikar's bacon in Panaji ) Another important Goanet related issue was raised by Philip-bab when he said in his initial comment to me that there will be the usual one liners and attempts at one upmanship. It is very easy indeed to get caught up in this culture . I spite of resolving at the onset that I would try not to do the same , I have become a more than willing subscriber to this tendency. My sincere apologies are due to all those who I have taken personal swipes at . I may be missing some but my apologies are due to Philip-bab , Frederick-bab , Edward-bab , Miguel-bab ( who proved he is a real gentleman with the polite explanation he gave to my ungentlemanly comments to him ). And with regards to Selma-bai , all I can say is that after her last affectionate posting to me , my guilt at having seletively picked her archived message to highlight a broader issue has been been amplified severalfold. I may have made some caustic remarks about the moderators as well . While I do find their reasons for rejecting my posts not very easy to understand ( at times ) , I do not feel they are biased or unfair towards any particular individual or viewpoint . I do not grudge them the thankless task they have decided to accept when they all have their own professional and family commitments. If I am in credit with anyone on this forum , it is Reena-bai who I felt was a bit unfair in trying to undress me further when I had already pulled my own pants down by admitting publicly that I had been stupid to say that Modi had not used the Hindutva card. But I will let that pass as just another instance of the one liner / upmanship culture which is not just part of Goanet but human nature per se. All in all , while I cannot claim to be Atticus ( who is my idea of a perfect gentleman ) , I shall try in the future to be a bit more like him in my Goanet adventures / misadventures . luv and regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com
Re: [Goanet] Salvation of non-Christians
Dear Dr.Santosh Helekar,
Thanks for your reference to the enriching Website
www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution.
I really found all my views confirmed by scientists, like Francisco Ayala,
Mark Noll, Arthur Peacocke and Robert Pollack. I do agree with them
perfectly in whatever they have said in that section.
I really admire their holistic view, sincerity and humility. They
distinguish between faith and Faith ('religious faith). They speak of faith
in scientific experiments.
Thanks for helping me to know why I stated what I have stated in my
discussion with you.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Nigel Britto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Talking about evolution too. How did the first cell
come into existence. The theory of evolution is just
that. A theory. It has never been proven, and it
cannot. Darwin came up with this absurdity in the
late 19th century, without any proof, and
surprisingly it has found its way into most science
books. I thought science needed to be proven.
Apparently it doesn't. But God's existence has to be
proven. Weird. Inconsistent.
*It is Nigel's opinion regarding the theory of Evolution. Nobody is bound to
accept the theory of Evolution, neither you the
existence of God and 'supernatural'.
But since I have been arguing with you for more than empiric science, you
have been hurting me with your worship of cold, dehumanizing 'science'.
Those four scientists
are not doing that. Natural Science and Bible (Religion) are not
incompatible. They
have their own fields of credibility. Science is not the only source of
knowledge of Reality.
With all respect to your scientific profession, I must say that you are too
narrow and negative. Sorry to say, I have found a lot of absolutism and
pedantry in your writings. I was disgusted with it. This has nothing to do
with our relations of
'solidarity' and 'brotherhood'.
You wrote: It is disheartening to see this level of scientific
ignorance and illiteracy being repeatedly propagated
on Goanet for more than a decade now.
*This is really too offensive to all those who are trying to relativize your
'absolutizing' opinions...
For me it was disheartening to see a level of ignorance and illiteracy in
your writings as far as Science (its limited value, though I admire your
knowledge), Metaphysics and Religion--
(in a particular way, Bible, which is God's Revelation to humanity in human
words)--are concerned. Your statements should be relativized with a holistic
approach similar to that of the four scientists
recomended by you, as I tried to do it (apparently, in vain). Those four
scientists explain it too well.
You should learn at least from them,
since you are proposing them to us...
I hope Goan kids
are not taught this nonsense in their schools.
*I hope that you do not continue to teach 'non-sense' in the name of Science
wherever
you are...
Sans rancune...
Fr.Ivo
Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Rajan - re RKN and Bhandare
From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bhandare/Bhandari wrote: Like yourself, I am a stickler for facts too..something that many goanetters cannot come to terms with.. Folks, On the premise that Bhandari checked and then re-checked his factual statement before he posted the above, I had to find out what stickler meant. Here is how Wikipedia describes it: The stickler syndrome is characterized by a distinctive facial appearance, eye abnormalities, hearing loss, and joint problems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stickler_syndrome Mervyn3.0 ?Facts are many, but the truth is one.? - Rabindranath Tagore - RESPONSE: You are totally confused about meaning of stickler and relating it with stickler syndrome. What you referred to is stickler syndrome and not stickler. Stickler means Someone who insists on something: Example: a stickler for promptness Also I would like to bring to your notice that wikipedia has got meanings not for everything. I guess you searched stickler on wikipedia and could not find it but instead found stickler syndrome. I hope you wont confuse one word with another next time. Because Facts are many, but the truth is one. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Sex and man
I agree with you Albert, this is truly the most vile of sex crimes against another human being, especially on a child, but also to carry out this on your own child, just shows what I have said before, most of these sex crimes are committed by a male member of the family. He will deserve everything that he gets in prison, once other prisoners get to hear of what he did to his own daughter, but he may be segregated from the main prison population, just so this perpertrator is nor harmed by others. John Monteiro --- Dear Goanetters Many of you must have read in the newspaper how a man from uttar Pradesh came to Goa with his daughter . He raped her several times and now is sentenced to ten years imprisonment and a fine. Really disgusting thing. I cannot understand why such type of people are born worse than animals. I do not think any normal person would rape his own daughter, the child who has so much faith in her father. The child who looks forward towards her father for protection against other rapist. The child in whose veins and arteries flow blood which has come from her father. albert --
[Goanet] The apolitical and political
Dear Goanetters, To start with , allow me to pen down the definition of apolitical according to several english dictionaries my daughter has lovingly provided me with . While all of them agree that the word involved in this discussion is an adjective ( and that unpolitical is a synonym while apolitically is the related adverb ) , they vary slightly in the exact interpretation of the term . The terms used for apolitical are : a) not political b) of no political significance c) not involved in politics d) not interested in politics e) not connected with politics f) not connected to any political party g) not concerned with politics h) not involved in political affairs i) having an aversion to politics j) politically neutral k) having no relation to politics l) not concerned with political matters m) politically neutral I have two questions : 1) Has the GBA or SVM satisfied the above definitions ? 2) Assuming the answer to 1 above is a yes , is it fair that , having aquired the faith , trust and the respect of a Goan electorate which is disillusioned with politicians ( of all hues )... on the basis of being associated with an apolitical movement ,the voices of these apoltical groups ( conveners , general secretaries, spokespersons etc ) should make individual statements in the audiovisual, electronic and paper media which could ( even remotely ) influence the Goan electorate in the direction of one or other political party ?? I am not questioning whatsoever the very significant role played by the GBA and SVM ( and their leaders ) in the quest to protect Goa and Goans from the vested interests . I am , however , certainly questioning the propriety of individuals associated with these apolitical movements using the name and fame achieved through these apolitical movements to influence political events, nowand in the future. Vice versa , I do not question their right to influence present and future political events, so long as they do not misuse the name and fame that they have gained with the Goan people thanks to their association with these apolitical movements. I am hoping that persons on all sides of the political divide on Goanet will contribute to this discussion. luv and regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com
[Goanet] Great finding about Navhind Times reporters!
Though I don't buy Navhind Times (NT) I do read the paper casually. I know many staff members and the reporters of NT and I can comfortably say that they all know Konkani very well and are very comfortable in translating the same to English. NT reporters have been translating Konkani to English ever since NT started. In this context what Mr. Radhakrishnan Nair (RKN) wrote i.e. I guess Mr. Parrikar spoke in Konkani and Navhind Times reporter got it wrong in translation...is absolutely a wrong statement. Let's presume for a moment as RKN says that NT reporters got it wrong in translation, so is RKN trying to suggest us that all the reporters of the local dailies also got it wrong and that all the reporters in Goa does not understand Konkani therefore they cannot translate Konkani into English. I think RKN has some personal score to settle with reporters of NT therefore RKN wrote above lines or RKN is trying to impress upon NT that he can do better translation of Konkani into English than their existing reporters or RKN is trying to divert the attention of Goa netters from one point to another or is it that in an attempt of passing comments on each and every postings made by certain members of Goanet RKN wrote so like selective targeting even under such attempt RKN missed the target completely. What ever it is RKN is wrong in using above line in his posting. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Gandhi
dear all, for quite some time now I am rather upset reading some thoughtless messages about religion and how good christianity is and how poor and barbaric and inferior all other religions (specially the hindu religion and definitely islam) are. I do know that these words are not used literaly in any of the posts sent to Goanet. But just to read between the lines of what 'some' people write gives me a rather uncomfortable feeling. Every religion can be abused. It is easy for us to look at what is going on in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saoudi-Arabia, Irak, Iran, ... Belgium, Spain, England, ... in the name of islam. We can also look on what is going on in the Middle East and how some Israeli people (government) terrorise people in the name of a holy book and that this used to be a 'promised land'. Promised? By who? Anyhow, it will definitely be a lot easier for many of you people to look at what is going on in some parts of India also in the name of religion against certain minorities. In Goa many people just seem to ignore for instance the inquisition. It is necessary to know the 'facts' in order to move on. Talking about the inquisition doesn't mean that you are blaming christian religion. On the contrary you are blaming something that is completely gone out of hand and has nothing to do with religion but only with power and politics. Ever heard about the 'liberation theology' in Latin America? It is also known as Christian socialism and it focuses on Christ not only the redeemer but also the 'liberator' of the oppressed. This movement which was very active and was growing pretty fast in Latin America was of course harshly warned by Pope John Paul II (a saint???) and his successor Pope Benedict XVI. Poor people, the lowest of the lowest were uplifted by many ordinary local priests while the bishops and the cardinals were drinking their wine and talking politics and smoking their Havana's with those in power. In my opinion these brave priests are the true christians. I guess that people in these uncertain times (worldwide) deserve strong, confident, honest leadership with a true mission and vision. Unfortunately nowhere to be found so far. I appreciated a post on this list (don't know who wrote it anymore) talking about the importance of Dr. Martin Luther King. Perhaps people should try to find a way towards dialogue, which sometimes might be very difficult and dangerous specially when your opponent isn't willing. It surprises me that nobody on this list ever mentioned the 60th deathanniversary of Gandhi. It seems he and his thoughts, believes, ... have slowly vanished over the Ganges and into the sea. Unfortunately, cause he is needed. Take care Martin Van Camp - Duarte Belgium
Re: [Goanet] Sex and man (X)
Hi Albert I wonder if Goanet is a bit short of weightier material to publish your story on this theme? However, I would assert your 'right' to do so. Cornel Albert Desouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Goanetters Many of you must have read in the newspaper how a man from uttar Pradesh came to Goa with his daughter .
[Goanet] VOICES uploaded
Dear Goanet readers, The February issue of VOICES, a newsletter of Holy Spirit Church, Margao, Goa has now been uploaded to the web - www.holyspiritchurchgoa.com The theme of the issue is Love. Please do read and send us your feedback and comments. God Bless you, Leo D'Mello Editor. Voices. Live a Fuller Life. www.fullerlife.in
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9
Margao 1st February 2008 A graceful audience with many a mando enthusiasts returning home on account of non-availability of passes. This was how the Mando fever caught up at the All Goa Mando Festival organised by Tourism Airline Management Education TAME, Goa in association with Department of Art and Culture and Western Beverages Pvt Ltd., Cuncolim held at the Gomant Vidya Niketan Air-conditioned hall at Margao. The festival was declared open by His Excellency Shri. S. C. Jamir, Governor of Goa at 4.22 p.m with the lighting of traditional lamp and releasing of the colourful Souvenir. Dr. Francisco Colaco eminent cardiologist, social reformer, writer and mando lover was felicitated at the hands of the Governor of Goa Shri. S. C. Jamir with a coconut, shawl and trophy for his contribution towards the Mando art. The Governor in his address exhorted that Goans from cross sections to come forward and participate actively in the cultural events to the promotion and preservation of this precious, priceless gems of social cultural inheritance. Stressing the importance on cultural events he said that they not inflame the heart of people but helps in the removal of evil feelings of differences of caste and creed and ultimately helps in peace and harmony of the society. The Governor stated that several disruptive forces are raising their heads in the country and that it is the primary duty of every citizens to stall the advance of these disruptive forces and thus strengthen the forces of unity by eliminating forces of friction by establishing goodwill, understanding and mutual respect. Remarking that the personally laid emphasis on peace, the spirit of togetherness and tolerance to help promote social, cultural harmony. He congratulated the management of TAME Tourism Airline Management Education and called upon the audience to consolidate efforts to promote and cherish social cultural values and essential process of our unity and strength. Earlier the Director of TAME in his welcome speech stated that today Mando has reached a higher platform and credited the success entirely to the Chief Minister Mr. Digambar Kamat who is also the Minister for Art and Culture and thanked him for his continuous support to this Goan art. Mrs. Farrel Furtado introduced the Chief Guest while Mr. Rudolph Noronha introduced the illustrious Living Mando Legend Dr. Francisco Colaco who has co. The function was compeered by Dr. Roopa Chari and Michael Gracias The Festival witnessed a total number of 19 troupes and handsome cash prizes were distrubted at the hands of Dr. Francisco Colaco The festival started off with the Senior citizens taking the mando beat to the loud applause of the audience and Governor himself and ended with the troupe Rivoncheo Thonddgar Zhori trained by Fr. Peter Cardozo Winners of the Competition ended up with Mando Mogi, Margao led by Pervez Gomes won the overall competition wining the First Prize Rolling Trophy in the Traditional category and second in the Original category while Goenchim Noketrem, Sarzora won the First Prize Rolling Trophy in the Original Category and stood second in the Traditional category. Consolation prizes were given to the following troupes Chimbelchim Noketram Chimbel ; Merces Salkam Merces ; Xavier's College Naad Mapusa ; Merces, Merces Firgocehim Saad Merces ; Vel'lencho Nad Velim, Rivoncheo Thonddgar Zhori ;; Nuvemchim Mankam Motiam Nuvem and Mungullichem Mankam Margao Judges for the contest were Arlindo Miranda, Silvano Fernandes and Jose Maria da Silva.
[Goanet] Terrorist threats - prevent Anjediv feast - says Navy
Whilst Goans ushered in the Sabado Gordo Caranaval festivities in the capital Panaji with the Brazilians lending a different touch to the festivities for the first time since Liberation of Goa --for the fourth year in succession the authorities at the Naval Base INS Kadamba did not permit celebration of the customary feast of Nossa Senhora de Brotas locally known as “Zorichem Saibinn” or Our Lady of Springs 2nd February, 2008 at the 34,0075 ha Anjediv Island of Canacona Taluka Goa which was given for use of the 35,000 crore third largest Naval Base which was initially mooted in 1985 but suffered bureaucratic wrangles until 1989 and commenced in 1999 to be commissioned in 2006. This time round too communications were sent to the Sea Bird authorities well in advance on the New Years day stating that there will be two masses one in the morning and the other in the evening to avoid congestion on the Island and also that those desirous of visiting need to carry a photo identity card to enter the island in view of security considerations. Despite all these faithful attempts this time round yet another alibi was put out when this writer visited the office this afternoon to meet the NOIC Commodore C G Silar Khan (who has taken over from the earlier incumbent Commodore K P Ramachandran since April 2007) that due to arrests of two people on suspicion in central Karnataka alleged having links with terror groups and had plans of several key installations they had to prohibit the visit of the faithful to the island. But it was pointed to the authorities that time and again such alibi does not appear convincing and hence after initial efforts of the Rajya Sabha MP Shri Shantaram L Naik with the Sea Bird authorities, this writer could not take things lying down and faxed a strong letter of protest to the Union Ministry of Defence Mr A K Antony to order an immediate enquiry into the matter as this has hurt the sentiments of the peace loving citizens of Goa to whom the Island stands as the bastion of the Catholics where in the Church of Anjediva bears the insignia of the Mother Church. In fact the Portguese advent to Goa began with the Anjediva in 1500 where they had built this Church and where the last of the Portuguese soldiers left the Island on 22nd Decmber, 1961 after the Liberation of Goa, but only after shooting 6 Indian soldiers despite raising the peace flag. A martyrs memorial stands at the Anjediva atop a fort and there are several cannons 44 of them at last count. Today the Commander Khan was not available when this writer visited the INS Kadamba base, to personally hand over the protest letter to the Naval authorities which was received by the official N Shyama on behalf of the Commander Khan. They assured the writer that a detailed explanation would be made available to the Union Minister for Defence. Meanwhile the undersigned also brought it to the notice of MP Shantaram L Naik who is presently in Kerala attending the Konkani Sammelan that the people of Goa would not accept any thing short of a detailed enquiry into the matter and that Goans be allowed to partake in the forth coming feast of St Francis de Assisi on 4th October,2008. Today morning at the Polem end there were people hoping to visit the Anjediva but owing to the heavy police postings at the check posts and the presence of the Naval Police all the entry gates from Karwar to Arga via Chendia there was no turn out. Meanwhile this writer met the editor Mr T Harikant of the local daily Karavali Munja and handed over the letter of protest against the NOIC which was addressed to the Union Defence Minister and Sea Bird authorities at Arga. He was also informed that the Leader of the Opposition of the Goa Legislative Assembly Shri Manohar Parrikar too had on 30th January, 2007 sent a letter to the Union Minister of Defence Mr A K Antony to look into the matter, but the Defence authorities have not yet taken the matter in right earnest. Incidentally a large number of people who this writer spoke too were unanimous that the customary feasts should be continued . They also felt strongly that the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman should move the Naval authorities in New Delhi and insist on the agreement on 1987 … In an other instant a representative Mr Peter Gonsalves spoke to this writer about non payment of compensation by the Government of Goa to some families who moved out from the Anjediva Island. This writer contacted Shri Shantaram L Naik MP RS immediately on telephone and asked him to talk to Mr Gonsalves. Having spoken to him Mr Naik kindly invited Mr Gonsalves to visit him in Goa on 10th February, 2008 to redress his grievance. It is hoped that the three Members of Parliament of Goa will take the matter seriously and with the involvement of the Government of Goa trash the matter. It appears that with the emotive support of the people from Canacona and
[Goanet] Panaji Carnival 2008 - Pics
Panaji Carnival 2008 02.02.2008 It seems this years carnival is most expensive (but least organized). There were police all over the 2kms parade stretch/street but they were not of much help to keep the crowd off the parade street which disappointed many gathered crowed/tourists. Too many people seen walking around inside the barricade, there were too many cameramen too (including mobile phone camera) and the police could not do anything about it, Police could not even control to clear off the crowd those obstructing the chief guests or VIPs view including CM, Ministers, CS etc The announcer was heard requesting Goa Police repeatedly to clear off the obstruction in front the VIPs . It also appears that this year crowed was more than last year but number of floats were comparatively less. The parade was to start at 3pm but it actually started just before 5pm. Dont know why it could not start on time. Every year same story. CM Digu, Tourism Minister Micky, CCP Chief Tony etc made their first appearance in a specially (Carnival designed) motorcade followed by King Momo. There was about 5-10minutes gap in-between the groups/floats and at one stage there was gap of about 30 minutes, people got bored and some left by 6.30pm. The Parade ended around 8pm. Video to follow soon (but could not capture well after 6.30pm and my camera has night-blindness). In the mean time enjoy these carnival 2008 pics 1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/2237577194/sizes/l/ 2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/2236785963/sizes/l/ 3 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/2236786825/sizes/l/ 4 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/2237578048/sizes/l/ 5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/2237577730/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Goa news for February 3, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** CM mulls PPP to boost health, education sectors - Herald Publications [20 hours ago] Speaking at a seminar Visioning Goa over the next decade: Work in Progress organised by the Confederation of Indian Industry and Cityof London, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7976cid=2cid=1127162671ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ *** Coast Guard rescues 11 fishermen off Goa - Herald Publications [20 hours ago] ... from a stranded trawler off the Calangute coast, the ICG on Friday rescued 11 fishermen from a Kerala-based trawler about 47 nautical miles off Goa. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7975cid=2cid=1127496682ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ *** Islamist terrorists planned blasts in Goa - Hindu [20 hours ago] HYDERABAD: Islamist fundamentalists planned serial blasts on the Goa beaches, interrogationof Hyderabad resident Raziuddin Nasir has revealed. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2008/02/02/stories/2008020259721200.htmcid=1127173598ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ *** Goa Carnival Dance Fever 2008 in Abu Dhabi - Mangalorean.com [23 hours ago] By Team Mangalorean Abu Dhabi February 1, 2008: A well known personality in Abu Dhabi Mr. James Perry Organised The Carnival Dance Fever 2008 of Goa at ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=65866cid=0ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ *** Goa assault highlights India rape concerns - BBC News [Feb 1, 2008] Earlier this month, in Goa where she lives, she was raped after accepting a lift on a motorbike. She is just one victim among thousands. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7216890.stmcid=1127376077ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ *** Jailbreak expert arrested - Times of India [22 hours ago] He was wanted for the murder of Sanjay Thorat, his boss in Goa. Sharief claims he pushed him during a scuffle and Sanjay died. In the second murder, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bangalore/Jailbreak_expert_arrested/articleshow/2749954.cmscid=0ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ *** Bosch Packaging Technology sets up new manufacturing facility in Goa - plastemart.com [Jan 31, 2008] Bosch Packaging Technology has inaugurated its new state of the art manufacturing facility in Goa (India). This is the packaging machinery division of the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.plastemart.com/plasticnews_desc.asp?news_id=11614P=Pcid=0ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ *** Cuncolim: A village of communal harmony in Goa - Merinews [Feb 1, 2008] In fact, in the western Indian state of Goa, Christians continue to follow the age-old Hindu practices and traditions of their forefathers, who converted to ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=129750cid=0ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ *** Goa trounce Chandigarh - Navhind Times [19 hours ago] Margao: Defending champions Goa got off to a winning start to their 17th U-21 National Football Championship for Dutta Ray Trophy at Madhurai, today. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=020217cid=0ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ *** Bigamy on the rise in Goa: womens panel - Navhind Times [19 hours ago] By Joaquim Fernandes Panaji, Feb 1 Despite the march of progress and education, the Goa state commission for women is swamped with cases of victimisation of ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=02028cid=0ei=CgulR93HNIzCqwPSwNSUDQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Hello gilbert
Hi, I want to thank you first for apprecaiting my article. Yes there are many temple ruins in goa and ma trying to track them all down. The temple od Shri Saptkoteshwar Narve was rebuilt by shivaji after it was pulled down by the Portuguese somehwere in 1627AD. If you wnat anymore information on ancient Goa do let me know. Rohit - 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here.
Re: [Goanet] Salvation of non-Christians
Is this a food example of the eyes sees and reads what the mind knows?
Kind Regards, GL
- Fr. Ivo da C. Souza
the enriching Website www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution. I really found all my views
confirmed by scientists, like Francisco Ayala, Mark Noll, Arthur Peacocke and
Robert Pollack. I do agree with them perfectly in whatever they have said in
that section. I really admire their holistic view, sincerity and humility. They
distinguish between faith and Faith ('religious faith). They speak of faith in
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[Goanet] Religious conversions in Goa
Dear Goanetters, Please read the letter to the Herald editor by Dr Manoj Solanki , convener of the Hindu Janajagriti Samiti , Goa . http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7999cid=13 I take particular objection to the statement :incidences of religious conversions are going on in a large scale in GoaIt is not made clear by Dr Solanki as to whether the conversions are voluntary or forced . It is also not stated explicitly which religion the converts switch from ( and which religion they switch to ). Perhaps one or both of these can be derived from the context of the letter and the quarter it originates from.But that is not the point I am getting to. What is relevant as far as I am concerned is : A) Can the Hindu's in particular on this forum , provide me with evidence to substantiate the statement in quotes above. B ) On the other hand , if the statement is false ( even partly ) would the Goanetters on the ground in Goa request Dr Solanki to clarify further . I am aware Vidyadhar-bab Gadgil has been particularly involved in such issues ( and may I please make a personal request to him to take this task on ? ) luv and regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml
[Goanet] Goa needs a second Liberation!
Dear Goanet readers. I have been a keen follower of not just Goanet, but the happenings in Goa over the years (especially the social and political scene). I have decided to write on Goanet after much soul searching. Although born and having undergone my graduate and postgraduate education in Goa, I have lived abroad for many years and visit Goa frequently. My last trip to Goa was a few weeks back and I was utterly dismayed and frustrated like most Goans in Goa and around the world, by the drastic deterioration in infrastructure and total breakdown of administration since my previous visit. I was shaken by how much disillusionment was there among the people, specially the not too well off. Wherever I went and whoever I spoke to,there was a constant refrain about how corruption has skyrocketed, specially during the last few years! The evidence was all there.The piled up garbage, stray dogs, mosquitoes in their hordes, traffic congestion, dilapidated bus stations, frequent power and water failure…the list is endless! What stunned me more than anything else was the huge increase in migrants( especially around Margao). I was told that these serve as block vote banks for the politicians and get their Ration Cards and voting rights even before they land in Goa,and, if not for these migrants, neither Digamber Kamat , nor Sardinha would have won the elections this time! Most people I spoke to,were of the opinion that Corruption and not Communalism,( which they think was blown out of proportion,especially in Salcette,which forms the major vote bank for the congress) is destroying the very fabric of goan society. In spite of being an MLA for decades, the major achievement of Digamber Kamat is that of building ghettos of migrants for vote banks which will create/ creating its own problems as seen in other countries of the world. This government, which is full of corrupt ministers, has stopped functioning. They cannot take any decisions without the High Command, as the masters in Delhi decide what is good for Goa and, blame the Opposition for their failures! Goa needs a new Chief Executive, who can take decisions for the good of Goa and not a puppet controlled from Delhi! Yes, Goa needs a second and “real” Liberation. It involves Political Solution, and all those who are passionate about Goa, should combine all their resources to bring about this change. It is past time, that we stop sitting on the fence, stop arguing and above all, stop criticizing those voices who are sacrificing their time, money and energy in their sincere attempt to prevent Goa from becoming another UP, BIHAR or ORISSA! Warm Regards Dr. Anesimo Fernandes More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com
Re: [Goanet] Lino Leitao's funeral details
Dear Olga and all your loving family Please accept my sincere condolences on your great loss; and, no less loss to our beloved Konkni Mae-bhas. Tomorrow's Sunday prayers I will dedicate to this great friend. Alfred de Tavares, Stockholm, Sweden. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet] Goa's chaotic traffic-2: HERALD(Goa), Feb 3, 2008
GOA’S CHAOTIC TRAFFIC-2 By Valmiki Faleiro What I’m going to write this Sunday is, to many, common knowledge. Only, it has no legal proof. I gathered the info from entirely dependable friends. They cannot be named, for reasons soon to be obvious. And, because this writing will not stand the test of a libel litigation, the perpetrators, too, will not be named. This piece, by no means, is exhaustive – only indicative. Goa’s Directorate of Transport was never really above board. But, never in memory, did it sink to a worse level of decadence than today. Corruption in government, as anywhere in the world, fountainheads from the top. If the top were clean, no person below – from officer to peon – would dare be corrupt. S/he would be sacked, impromptu. Hence, the wardens responsible for safety on Goa’s roads cannot be primarily blamed. An officer in the department enters as an Assistant Motor Vehicles Inspector (Asst. MVI). He must pay between 20 to 30 lakhs bribe to get the job, today. When I was a working journalist about three decades ago, the bribe was Rupees five to ten thousand, worth about a lakh of today. Forget an officer, every employee hired these days must either pay a bribe or be related to a minister (who probably also pays the hiring minister.) Every step of the way in the traffic officer’s career, from Asst. MVI, to MV Inspector, to Asst. Director, and to Dy. Director (the Director is from the Goa civil cadre), he must bribe a few more lakhs. This is because once he enters service as an Asst. MVI, paying a huge sum, his annual service CRs (Confidential Reports) would be sullied, in the process of recovering the bribe through daily petty bribery. CRs “count,” promotion time. Remember no traffic officer or anyone above in the hierarchy receives cash bribes in person. They have in place a well-organised network of ‘agents’ that do that job for them. That’s the reason the Aam Aadmi will be harassed if he dares approach the office directly, bypassing the touts. The pettiest, but high volume, bribes come from routine matters like issuing driving licences. The slush money from each two/four-wheeler licence issued is Rs.350-500 (1,000 for heavy vehicles.) A ‘service badge’ required, in law, to be worn by every bus conductor, fetches between Rs.250-500. Every annual Fitness Certificate ‘inspection’ of a public service vehicle brings in routine Rs.500 for LMVs and 1,000 for HMVs. I wrote last Sunday how private passenger buses crawl in towns and begin a race with competition once outside. It’s because every ‘Regular Stage Permit’ (that’s the licence, with approved departure timings, all passenger buses need, to operate) today comes at bribes ranging between Rs.10,000-50,000. More remunerative the timings a bus operator seeks, the more he must pay. That’s how timings clash, ensuing bus races, and the mindless killing of innocent road users. In fairness, bus operators must also pay fixed monthly bribes not only to RTO, but to the police as well. An operator, say, on the 20-kms Sanguem-Margao route, must pay to Sanguem, Curchorem, Quepem, Maina-Curtorim, and Margao police stations, every month. The crowing glory of Goa’s RTO, Police and Excise departments are their four Border “check posts” – in this post-1961 era! – at Dhargal, Dodamarg, Molem and Polem. If you ever wondered why they exist, or what purpose they serve, let me explain by the RTO route. Every commercial vehicle entering Goa must routinely pay a bribe of anywhere between Rs.500 to 10,000 or more, for every entry at the RTO border post. That’s why our vegetables and meat from Belgaum costs more. In this era of competition, every heavy goods vehicle is over-laden, every inter-State bus carries extra passengers. The legal fine for overloading is Rs.2,000 for every extra tonne, or passenger, beyond the licenced capacity … so, rather get away with a smaller bribe than a fine in multiples of that amount. Three traffic officers are posted on six- month tenure at each of the four border posts. They work 24-hour shifts, in all 10 days in a month. Each officer collects about Rs.35 lakhs during each six-month posting. But, must plough back to the top Rs.25 lakhs for every tenure. Of the four border posts, Molem is wealthiest – thanks to China, and hundreds of mineral ore trucks entering Goa from Tinaighat every day. POSTSCRIPT: I support Transport Minister Pandurang Madkaikar’s ‘firm’ resolve to make Speed Governors mandatory in Goa for heavy vehicles – even if the two approved manufacturers of the speed-control device will rake in (and share) huge profits. (ENDS) The Valmiki Faleiro weekly column at: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=330 == The above article appeared in the February 3, 2008 edition of the Herald, Goa
Re: [Goanet] Goanet.....and To kill a Mocking-bird
On 02/02/2008, anand virgincar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall-bab made a very valid point when he said that I should look at the Goan political scene from the Catholic point of view in order to comprehend better as to why the BJP is not a savoury political option for most Catholics in Goa. I am trying my best to climb into the Catholic's skin and walk around Quite a few Hindus too (going by the percentage of the vote that the BJP has been able to garner) believe that the party does not deserve their support. Could Dr Virgincar explain this? Of course, communal-focused analysis of politics can take us only upto some point not further. Vice versa , the staunch Congress / Catholic supporters on this forum would do well to climb into my skin and try to fathom why mild /moderate persons like me are so strongly in favour of a BJP government in Goa in spite ( and NOT because ) of their obvious Hindutva agenda and / or their well known links with hardcore pro-Hindu organisations. Not all those who do not vote BJP are necessarily Congress/Catholic supporters. I think we're simplifying and/or polarising issues unnecessarily here. My sincere apologies are due to all those who I have taken personal swipes at . I may be missing some but my apologies are due to Philip-bab , Frederick-bab , Edward-bab , Miguel-bab ( who proved he is a real gentleman with the polite explanation he gave to my No need for an apology, not called for. Our debates, and the hot words flowing out of them, come from differences in perspective. Nothing personal about it. Also, I prefer to avoid the 'bab' suffix, because of its class connotations of the yesteryears. FN -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 The Goa books blog: http://goabooks.wordpress.com Goa1556 (alt.publishing.goa): http://goa1556.goa-india.org
[Goanet] Carnaval Pic... one more
I think Goanetters missed on this one.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/2236834921/sizes/l/ Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 - Sent from Yahoo! #45; a smarter inbox.
[Goanet] Sex and man
Dear Mr.Edward Silva You always read goanet in the night time and think every one is having feni just because you do not get it. I do not seem to understand the logic of your posting. A man rapes his daughter which is not a human act and I bring it to the notice of all the members of the goanet and you laugh at me . Are you senile ? albert _ Post free property ads on Yello Classifieds now! www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=221
Re: [Goanet] Liar Liar... Donkey's tails
A donkey is thought to be a rather stupid animal (not true by the way), but with its long ears flapping about, its not the prettiest four-legged thing on the planet, but in EuroAsian culture, this ungainly creature is a subject of fun. Keeping that thought, I think your son was saying he wants your attention and stop what you are doing, the Goanetters you are so ingrossed in can wait, LOOK AT ME. I need your time and your undivided attention PLEASE. Only a (stupid) donkey will take the time to chase or be concerned about its tail, the tail is already doing the job its meant to be doing (ensuring the contents underneath are protected, well covered by the tail swishing the tail when flies are present, keeping the interested parties away from the more delicate areas), so listen to me, I need you. Or he could just be talking a lot of politics.. my version is the simplified one, I am SURE other Goanetters have a much cleverer response. John Monteiro Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to study what's in the message LIAR LIAR is about! Right than my son dropped in my room to ask me a query on his subject difficulty. Realizing that I am glued to reading Goanet posting .he said Pupatell your beloved net members that there is a saying called Donkey always praises his own tail. Donkey should realize his mistake...and we are suffering ...rather suffocating because of such Donkey rule...Please stop this reading and help me in my subject... I just could not understand what he was trying to convey ...can any one in the net help me understand the philosophy of my son .. Best regards Uday
[Goanet] Gandhi
Dear Martin: Sixy years after his assasinaton, what we need is a critical analysis of the mans politics and principles and actions rather tha merely hoisting him on a pedestal and worshipping him. We Indians have a tendency to hero worship and gandhi is the ultimate hero. While it is true that he was a great man and espoused many noble causes, he was far from perfect. His assasin, nathuram Godse, too was not a criminal. I would classify him as a misguided patriot. The congress prty had a selfish interest in perpetuating this legacy of gandhi and capitalise on it politically. That is the reason why they have never allowed a honest discussion about the man. But now Indians are increasingly getting frustrated with his ideas and and I am sure in another generation Gandhi would lose his significance even more. regards B Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Questions to Fr.Ivo
Dear Fr.Ivo I have read that Catholicism has come down as a continuation of Egyptian old religion. Those days before Jesus Christ came down on earth the Egyptians believed in sun god Re. These followers had many dieties in their religion and one of them was ISIS a lady with a small child whose pictures actually resembles Perpetua Succor saibin. The priests also those days and the dresses the bishop of those days wore and those worn now is the same. Those days the Egyptian priest would make wavers of wheat and burn them with the sun's rays magnified using a magnifying glass and store the same in a container and distribute them to the people. God Re was represented with a ram head and human body. Could you highlight me on this ? Paul Mascarenhas _ Post free property ads on Yello Classifieds now! www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=219
Re: [Goanet] Sex and man
We need you too Edward, there is a point in Albert's post, he was following a thread which I also replied to his post but has not yet appeared, or maybe disappeared in cyber-space, or rejected, which is probably the truth, or it may have gone in everyone else's inbox but mine. Whatever, the cause, Albert is a character who has much to contribute, some of it makes me see red I comment upon it, when the moderators allow it through, but I think Albert has been placed on this forum for a reason. I am not quite sure WHY but he is the stinging nettle, the dry chilli powder you breathe in on a hot day, you have to go along with him, respond if you like, be nice or be critical, but dont ignore him. He has much to say, in his own way. Follow your instincts, and read his post, maybe even take on his own skin, as Anand mentioned earlier, see what its like to be Albert. Weighter subjects are there, but take Albert as a break away from the heavy political stuff that goes on this forum. We need light stuff too. Though I would not classify rape of a child as a light subject, after all it happens frequently, all over the world. Even in Goa.. John Monteiro Edward Desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Albert, What was the big idea of this topic on Goanet? Were you on the Feni again? In what way is it going to help us? I don't see the pont. Please enlighten me. ED. Albert said: Dear Goanetters, Many of you must have read in the newspaper how a man from uttar Pradesh came to Goa with his daughter -etc etc.
Re: [Goanet] Liar Liar...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:15:14 +0530 Subject: [Goanet] Liar Liar... I was trying to study what's in the message LIAR LIAR is about! Right than my son dropped in my room to ask me a query on his subject difficulty. Realizing that I am glued to reading Goanet posting .he said Pupatell your beloved net members that there is a saying called Donkey always praises his own tail. Donkey should realize his mistake...and we are suffering ...rather suffocating because of such Donkey rule...Please stop this reading and help me in my subject... I just could not understand what he was trying to convey ...can any one in the net help me understand the philosophy of my son .. Best regards Uday Uday-bab, Kudos to little master Barad...for reminding us ...ek aikunk zai zanteachem...ani ek aikunk zai nenteachem... Alfred, always a nentó zantó... _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet] Hindu janajagruti meet at madkai a grand success
The Hindu janajagruti dharma sabha at madkai was a grand success. the full report can be found here: http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7974cid=2 or here http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3961.html regards B Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Goanet] muslim terror camps in neighboring dharwad
Another alarming news item: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Terror_camps_Pak_flags_in_Karnataka_jungles/articleshow/2749729.cms after next door dharwad, it is only a matter of time before such cells are unearthed in moti dongor, fukat nagar chimbel and other places.. already there are enough indications that illegal madrassas are mushroomng even in hinterland talukas of goa while the congress governemnt is turning a blind eye to this massive invasion of goa... regards B Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Rajan - re RKN and Bhandare
Kamalaksh Chari wrote: Stickler means Someone who insists on something: Example: a stickler for promptness Also I would like to bring to your notice that wikipedia has got meanings not for everything. I guess you searched stickler on wikipedia and could not find it but instead found stickler syndrome. I hope you wont confuse one word with another next time. Because Facts are many, but the truth is one. Kamalaksh, I always have difficulty trying to understand what Bhandari/Bhandare has to say on Goanet. His horrendous spellings and sentence structure makes it difficult for, well at least me, to comprehend his 'output.' It looks like the extra effort I took to try and understand him did not pay off this time ;-) Secondly, I am glad there is at least one person here who understands him clearly. Thirdly, there are some posters here who will check and re-check their content, spellings and facts before posting here. The responsible person, knowing that his output will be read by 15,000 people, will take pride in his work. These posts are always a pleasure to read. Then their are other posters who consistently post a load of rubbish. When this is politely pointed out to them, they try and hide or post using different ID's using the same er, style of writing. If stickler is someone who keeps on insisting, then Bhandari/Bhandare is on the right track. Mervyn3.0 Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated - Confucious - Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: [Goanet] The apolitical and political
There is some confusion over the words and labels being used here. People's movements tend to often be non-party political formations. On the other hand, some of the people's movements that have sprouted in Goa in recent times are barely-disguised fronts of various political parties or politicians. The issue is not whether a group is political or not, but whether it toes a party-line or not. I do not see how any movement which takes a strong stance on poltiical issues can be apolitical. But it could, and should, be non-party. That is, its stances should not be manipulated by the electoral or other interests of one or the other political party. This is essential for any people's movement wanting to retain its credibility. FN On 01/02/2008, anand virgincar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Goanetters, To start with , allow me to pen down the definition of apolitical according to several english dictionaries my daughter has lovingly provided me with . While all of them agree that the word involved in this discussion is an adjective ( and that unpolitical is a synonym while apolitically is the related adverb ) , they vary slightly in the exact interpretation of the term . The terms used for apolitical are : a) not political b) of no political significance c) not involved in politics d) not interested in politics e) not connected with politics f) not connected to any political party -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 The Goa books blog: http://goabooks.wordpress.com Goa1556 (alt.publishing.goa): http://goa1556.goa-india.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet.....and To kill a Mocking-bird
Subject: [Goanet] Goanet.and To kill a Mocking-bird From: anand virgincar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice versa , the staunch Congress / Catholic supporters on this forum would do well to climb into my skin and try to fathom why mild /moderate persons like me are so strongly in favour of a BJP government in Goa in spite ( and NOT because ) of their obvious Hindutva agenda and / or their well known links with hardcore pro-Hindu organisations. You raise some very interesting points. But do note that there are many people who have serious problems with the BJP who are not in the categories you have mentioned above, viz. 'staunch Congress/Catholic supporters' (presumably you mean staunch Congress supporters and Catholics). It is a very common problem on this forum to draw simplistic equations like anti-BJP = pro-Congress and vice versa. Regarding the second point above, your point, 'their obvious Hindutva agenda and / or their well known links with hardcore pro-Hindu organisations', is in itself a scathing indictment of the BJP. What further needs to be said about why so many people are opposed to the BJP? In the face of such a reality, most 'in spite ofs' become redundant. And I say persons rather than Hindu's because there are increasingly more Goan Catholics who are switching loyalties to the BJP ( for instance, in the June assembly elections , it was pretty evident from ward wise voting patterns that the Catholics saved Manohar Parrikar's bacon in Panaji ) Yes, this is a very interesting issue, and responses from informed people would be useful. It is probably only elite Catholics who currently have pro-BJP leanings. Dr. Virgincar, may I say that it is a pleasure to have you posting on this forum. In the short time you have been here, you have done much to improve the tone of the discourse and debate, which had sunk abysmally during the past few months. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] Goa Sudharop: Easter Sunday function, March 23, 2008
Experience Goa in California. Goa Sudharop is holding this fun-filled event on March 23, 2008 (Easter Sunday) for the whole family from 11am-4pm in the San Francisco Bay Area. Net proceeds from the event to benefit educational issues in Goa. No membership required to attend. Goans and non-Goans welcome. DATE TIME:MARCH 23, SUNDAY, 11AM - 4PM LOCATION: CHANDNI RESTAURANT, 5748 Mowry School Road, Newark, California, 94560. Balentine Plaza, opposite Hilton, PH: 510-668-1051. http://www.chandnirestaurant.com/ 11-11:30am Arrival and welcome 11:30-11:45am Easter egg hunt for kids 11:45am-12:45pmProgram 12:45-2pm Lunch 2-4pm Dancing to DJ music. Ticket prices are as follows: Ages 14 and above: $25 Ages 6 - 13: $15 Ages 5 and under free (however do let us know the names) If you would like to attend but the ticket price is a financial burden, please contact Melanie Moniz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 925-465-4006. TICKETS WILL NOT BE SOLD AT THE DOOR. First come, first serve. This event will sell out, send for your tickets now. Your canceled check is your receipt, no tickets will be mailed to you. Send your check asap made payable to GOA SUDHAROP and mail to: Melanie Moniz 557 Banyan Circle Walnut Creek, CA, 94598 Ph: 925-465-4006 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Several reasons you don't want to miss this Goa Sudharop event on March 23: 1. By coming to the event, you avoid the stress of planning an Easter family gathering, cooking cleaning. Instead let us do the work for you as you relax and enjoy yourself with your family and friends. 2. Easter Egg hunt for kids. 3. Kids 5 and under are FREE! 4. Kids can learn about Educational issues. 5. Have a great time dancing to DJ music. Please mark your calendar now and tell your family/friends. Goa Sudharop's theme this year is YEAR OF EDUCATION and we will focus throughout the year on this theme. We look forward to seeing you and thank you for your support. Goa Sudharop www.goasudharop.org
Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Rajan - nothing to do with the Subject, to Bhandare
Dear Bhandare, I would like you to pinpoint who exactly you mean in your below post. Firing blanks won't help anyone on Goanet. Be specific Its how things should be need to be !! hAVE a nICE dAY Seb PS: I have seen this stint of yours on a number of earlier occasions too. So its time to put this on paper(goanet) From: Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Jose: Like yourself, I am a stickler for facts too..something that many goanetters cannot come to terms with..
[Goanet] Pamphlet Circulated for Hindu Dharmajagruti Sabha
[A pamphlet was used for mobilisation of people for the recent Hindu Dharmajagruti Sabha (organised by the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti) which was held at Marcaim on 1st February 2008. The meeting was proposed to be held in at Farmagudi Government Engineering College Grounds, but permission was refused. Below is a translated version of the pamphlet (which is originally in Marathi). It is an attempt at a literal translation. --- Hindu Brethren, The Hindu religion was wrecked by the assaults of Muslims and Christians. After Independence, due to the so-called secular ideology and the English education system, those Hindus who have no pride in their religion and who do not follow religion became ever worse offenders against ethics. Jihadi terrorism, conversion, mockeries of Hindu deities, blind adoption of Western culture, bomb attacks on temples, murders of Hindu leaders, threat to kill religious teachers, and many other such threats have surrounded the Hindu religion today. On one hand, the government gives crores of rupees as subsidies to the Haj pilgrimage, for madrasas and for churches, and on the other it draws up plans to destroy the ‘Ramsetu’ [Adam’s Bridge]. The government is trying to finish off the Hindu religion by bringing in laws like ‘Nationalisation of Temples Act’ and the ‘(Blind) Faith Eradication Act’. In such adverse circumstances, the only alternative to preserve the Hindu religion is by following the path of ‘religion and unity of Hindus’. Therefore, grasping the seriousness of the calamities faced by the religion – that is, by each one of us – come and participate in the Hindu Religion Awakening Meeting. BOX ITEM Various Programmes of Hindu Janajagruti Samiti * Creating awareness through religious notice boards in about 400 places * Agitation against perverted painter M.F. Husain, who paints obscene pictures of Hindu deities * Opposition to provisions inimical to the Hindu religion in the ‘Blind’ Faith Eradication Act of the Maharashtra Government * Campaign against nationalisation of temples * Campaign to stop misuse of the national flag * Organise shows of exhibition produced by FACT to create awareness about Jihadi terrorism * Drives and public rallies to organise Hindus BOX ITEM If we protect religion, then religion (God) will protect us! O Hindus, participate in the religious awakening rally and become active in protection of religion! BOX For more information www.hindujagruti.org Tel: 9890722314, 9325573772 [Incidentally, as of today, this website had the Ponda meeting prominently featured.] --- Among the people listed as “Honourable Guests” are: Sudin Dhavlikar, MLA Marcaim (MGP) Damodar Naik, MLA Fatorda (BJP) Sharmad Pai Raiturkar, President Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha (BJP) Dipak Dhavlikar, MLA Priol (MGP) Rajendra Arlekar, Erstwhile BJP Regional President Among those extending the invitation are: Kedar Vete, Chief, South Goa Bajrang Dal Shrikant Dhargalkar, President, Hindu Vishwa Parishad, Mormugao Narayan Parsekar, Office Bearer, RSS, Mormugao Various Sants, Dharmabhimanis (those who take pride in their religion), and members of Sangh Parivar organisations are listed as associated with this programme in various capacities. There is one page of background material on the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, not bothering to post that since much of it is there (in English) on the HJS website. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] Publishing a konkani book
Dear Friends. I am thinking of publishing konkani tiatrs of mine but lack resources. In 1984 for the first time my drama somzikai was awarded the best prize for script ( first prize) and drama got the second prize. I was not able to continue as I could not get suitable actors. Now after so many years Goa Konkani academy awarded me the second prize for script in the competition. So I felt if some one is in the publishing house and could help me to publish the book. The publishing house can keep a bigger margin and sell all the books and pay me a nominal amount. I love to write and develop God given talent. albert de souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Post free property ads on Yello Classifieds now! www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=220
[Goanet] Oh Herald ....art thou fact or fiction ?
Dear Goanetters, On Friday 1 February 2008 , Herald reported : Incidentally , Parrikar during the first phase of the South Goa parliamentary by-poll campaign , had too favoured two SEZ's for Goa . He changed his stand when the anti-SEZ movement gained momentum. http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7950cid=26 On Saturday , after a phone call from several thousand miles away , the Herald gained momentum and changed it's stand : http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7992cid=26 In view of the fact that Herald got it's facts wrong on a major issue , I feel it was trying to mislead the readers. As a matter of fact , The Herald should demand an apology from the Goan people. luv and regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml
Re: [Goanet] Sex and man (X)
I am not sure if we ought to be fully discussing these matters if the majority will rule against this. On this forum, we have turned our attention to more detailed, political agendas from the Catholics others, by the Top 6 of our Goanet posters. I feel ALL SUBJECTS are fair to be aired, as long as its got SOME THREAD with Goans, and sometimes NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH GOANS or GOAN RELATED simply because human nature is all around us, we NEED to air things that are a TRAIT in all humans, be they Goans, or non-Goans, either living IN GOA or OUTSIDE GOA but have GOAN interests at heart. I have had many a brush with Albert some of his eternal (it seems) posts on how only his relligion will save us all, no matter what, only his religion has the right path to salvation et al. But he has some valid points occasionally, no matter what I feel about him. I think if we begin to be selective in our posters comments and right to comment on this forum then we are going down a slippery path. I am sure we have all been down this road at some time or other, and shamefully looked on the ground when we were faced with difficult situations, others would probably brazenly talk their way out of a difficult situation. It just shows what type of person we are when we take one or the other route, its a disguise. If we are to only take on weightier matters only, then its no longer Goanet as I have known it over the past 12 months, I would then suggest we DIVIDE Goanet into TWO sections, one for the those who wish to only pursue POLITICAL AGENDA, and another for all all matters, since it appears some on this forum, those eloquent amongst us who would like only to compete with each other. If this were to happen, Goanet would be in two worlds, one for those who are top of the hierachy those of us (I include myself here) ... the 'rag-pickers'. We need a sprinkling of humour, something to bring us back on track. If we continue to only have weightier subjects, then we are segregating those who can bring a smile to our faces, even if its through sheer frustration that Albert is again telling us the Tulsi plant if best rubbed up this way or that to cure boils or whatever, or boil Tulsi leaves in water and taken as a drink (which by the way he WAS right about, but that is another story, and in the archives..). ALBERT WE NEED YOU... we also need CORNEL, and the other top 5 on the SAME FORUM. please ?? John Monteiro CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Albert I wonder if Goanet is a bit short of weightier material to publish your story on this theme? However, I would assert your 'right' to do so. Cornel Albert Desouza wrote: Dear Goanetters Many of you must have read in the newspaper how a man from uttar Pradesh came to Goa with his daughter .
[Goanet] The gender of the nation: allegoric feminity and women's status in Bengal and Goa
THE GENDER OF THE NATION: ALLEGORIC FEMININITY AND WOMEN'S STATUS IN BENGAL AND GOA This joint paper is the outcome of collaborative efforts through joint teaching and joint publication. Our central aim is to compare the nationalist period in India – when gender was endorsed both as an ideal and an ideological program, to the post-independence era. Our comparative analysis tries to understand the status and social role of women after Indian independence, when they were drawn into the nationalist movement through their participation in the mission of cleansing the earth-land, the mother land. Adopting an anthropological and historical approach to women in Bengal and Goa, we are theoretically concerned with postcolonial gender construction, and the meaning of woman within contemporary national http://preview.tinyurl.com/3237n5 [Thanks to TRdeS and Goa-Research-Net for this link.--FN] -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 The Goa books blog: http://goabooks.wordpress.com Goa1556 (alt.publishing.goa): http://goa1556.goa-india.org
[Goanet] Highlight on Waste pickers.
Life in the clean lane: Blessy Thomas ** As per a definition released by SWACHH: (Alliance of Waste pickers in India), the term 'Waste pickers' are those workers whose livelihood depends on informal collection, segregation and sale of scrap. It does not include poor workers such as domestic workers, watchmen, doorstep waste collectors hired by contractors, municipal workers…all of whom may be supplementing their incomes through sale of scrap. We started our interesting journey to learn a bit more about them with Saku, a chirpy eight year old with a piercing innocent smile, who has been picking waste from the time she could barely walk. My mother used to travel around Panjim collecting garbage. And since there was no one to look after me, she used to take me along. Gradually I began helping her, and now I earn Rs.70 a day, she said. A class that are highly misunderstood, these people prefer to remain under wraps, mainly for safety reasons. However, Munna Bepari, a 43-year-old scrap dealer, enthusiastically spoke to us and gave us a glimpse into their unknown world. We are the people who clean around forty percent of the city's waste. Moreover, people are happy with us; they also need us. Sitting cheerfully amidst all the scrap, Munna began telling us about the people who work for him. The waste pickers, mostly people from states like Karnataka, Maharashtra, Gujarat and even Rajasthan. They collect garbage from Public dustbins and salvage scrap from the rubbish, which is later recycled through scrap dealers. He also added, They come here because they can earn around Rs.200 a day, compared to the measly Rs.50 that they would earn in their state. Goa is a good state and they earn better here. Surprisingly, the waste pickers follow a very systematic plan of action while going about with their work. They meet up at around 5:00 a.m. and go to their assigned areas. Usually we have offices that we label as 'ours' - our regular places, said Dhanamma. After a day's collection, they regroup, unload their piles and sort it out. Waste in the form of paper usually goes to Hubli for recycling, whereas metal scrap is melted at factories in Kundaim. We want to be a part of society legally. We clean the city, but ultimately are blamed to be the filth of the city. Metro cities like Mumbai have hundreds of scrap yards but no one has any problem, adds Munna. There is an All Goa Scrap Dealers Association in Margao and one of us is the member from Panaji, said Munna further enlightening us. One look at them and you can see the trials they go through everyday, behind the smile is hidden a tired and humiliated soul. All the elders have the same dream, for their kids to not follow in their footsteps; some have not even revealed their occupation to their children, fearing ridicule. Most of them have their children studying in city schools and are doing well for themselves. While Munna is just one, there are hundreds of faceless ones who silently work from dawn to dusk. How compassionate are we towards them? Don't they deserve the 'Clean Tag' for clearing up our mess? http://www.goapluses.com/fullStory.asp?articleID=GOAP15ART518200764743
[Goanet] Sex Man
Dear Goanetters, I second Albert's view points about a man from Uttar Pradesh. In the first place such news should have not appeared in the Goanet at all. If such news are given entry than one will find not less than 3 - 4 molestation news in the net on every day basis. And if such news are acceptable to Goanet than let me share a news that appeared in oHeraldo, dated 3rd February 2008, front page, that reads - Rape case registered against Priest. I think Goanet is meant to discuss much bigger problems related to Goa. By this I don't mean the reported news by Albert is a small issue. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad Albert wrote: Dear Goanetters Many of you must have read in the newspaper how a man from uttar Pradesh came to Goa with his daughter . He raped her several times and now is sentenced to ten years imprisonment and a fine. Really disgusting thing. I cannot understand why such type of people are born worse than animals. I do not think any normal person would rape his own daughter, the child who has so much faith in her father. The child who looks forward towards her father for protection against other rapist. The child in whose veins and arteries flow blood which has come from her father.
[Goanet] Daily Haiku #3
DAILY HAIKU #3: __ HEARTFELT _ kalliz and feliz happy are they, feliz broke hiz kalliz yesterday. __ Aunty, Famous Indians, Haiku, Churchill cartoons, etc: http://2008goanconvention.com/blog/index.php _
Re: [Goanet] Gandhi
--- Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His [GANDHI'S] assasin, nathuram Godse, too was not a criminal. I would classify him as a misguided patriot. Wow! All the murderers, including suicide bombers, of this world will be pleased to know they are misguided and not criminal. I am sure victims should feel better they were not killed by human animals like Godse, but merely misguided folk. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Salvation of non-Christians (My final post)
Those who just happen to read posts in this and related threads might be wondering why this discussion is relevant here. Why am I responding to these posts by religious folk expressing their private personal beliefs in a secular public forum? The reason is two-fold: 1. A proper elementary conceptual understanding of science and most important scientific ideas is absolutely essential to every citizen, especially every citizen of India, because promoting scientific temper is our constitutional duty. It is as critical as understanding what is meant by democracy, liberty or secularism. 2. Whenever somebody tries to present an erroneous, benighted or biased view about an important matter in a public forum, it becomes incumbent upon those who know something about that matter to correct the record, or present the consensus position on it. Those who have read and understood what I have written here over the years know that, as a naturalist, scientist and pluralist, I am indifferent to what others believe on the basis of their Faith, a psychological need for some kind of faith, a lifelong habit, or some other compulsion. Accordingly, I have no problem with what Albert, Fr. Ivo, Nigel, Fr. Jude and Kevin write about their own faith, and what they quote from the Bible or the Secular Humanist manifesto. They certainly cannot all be right because their views are not compatible with each other. Perhaps, one of them knows the absolute truth; perhaps, they are all living in a world of fantasy. Who knows? I certainly don't. But what I know is that no Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Jain or Parsee would agree with most of what they are saying. I also know when and why I respond to their posts. I ONLY respond to their posts if they abuse their misunderstanding of SCIENTIFIC FACTS and IDEAS for their own parochial religious purpose. I also respond to correct them if they misrepresent or mangle my own views. I do the former because I am a scientist, and furthering the cause of scientific literacy is my duty, as a scientist and as a citizen of India. I do the latter out of self-respect and my right to be treated fairly. For example, I have to now respond to Fr. Ivo's post below because he has misrepresented not only my views, but also those of four eminent thinkers who were interviewed on the topic of science and faith on the PBS website. Please see: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/religion/faith/index.html These are religious people. One is an evangelical Christian theologian (Noll), one an ex-Catholic priest who is now an evolutionary biologist (Ayala), one an Anglican priest and a biochemist (Peacocke), and one a Jewish theologian and a biologist (Pollack). These religious individuals believe that there is no conflict between their own faith and science, particularly evolution. Nowhere do they say that they believe that faith or Faith plays any role in science. One of them is not even a scientist. And yet Fr. Ivo implies that they do. He says below that They speak of faith in scientific experiments. No such affirmation can be found anywhere in what they have said on that website. On the issue of conflict, there are hundreds of other scientists and theologians (e.g. U. S. Southern Baptists) who disagree strongly with these four individuals, stating that there indeed is an ongoing ferocious conflict between many people's faith (e.g. Nigel Britto's here) and science, particularly evolutionary biology. As a matter of fact, a major court case was fought in the U.S. on just this conflict recently. In the rest of the post, Fr. Ivo belies his earlier claims of conformity with the theory of evolution by attacking me for pointing out Nigel Britto's ignorance about this well-established scientific theory in charging that it is an absurdity. Fr. Ivo misrepresents my position as absolutism, even though all I have ever asserted and defended is that the scope of science is limited to explaining the natural world. That science has nothing to do with the supernatural, and that anybody who proclaims that science points to his God is making a bogus claim. Earlier, I had tried to explain that the principle of causality was not self-evident and universal both from philosophical and scientific standpoints. I realize that this earlier discussion would not be understood by most readers because I had referred to my prior posts in the Goanet archives, instead of laying it all out here once again. So for the sake of completeness and clarity at this moment in time, let me briefly summarize my position here. The principle of causality refers to the notion that everything has some other thing as its cause, the latter invariably preceding the former. I have provided arguments and evidence on many occasions on Goanet for why this proposition is not universally true. Briefly, they are as follows: 1. There are philosophies that contend that the universe has existed forever without any antecedent cause (Vedic school, Vivekananda's Hinduism,
