Re: [HOT] Mailing List Code of Conduct

[Mikel Maron]

> A couple of days ago Mikel 

Actually Clifford asked me because I'm the inactive moderator of this mailing 
list, and I passed it on for discussion within the HOT membership.

And yes, I don't think request for Board to approve is appropriate at this 
time. However, the discussion here could be useful for a larger discussion 
about communications and trust and safety within OSM.

-Mikel



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On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 12:22:35 PM EDT, Clifford Snow 
 wrote: 







On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:45 AM Can Unen  wrote:
> Hello everybody, I'm writing to carry a conversation in HOTOSM membership 
> lists to here, hoping to kick-off a discussion and maybe reach a consensus. 
> 
> A couple of days ago Mikel had asked about the governing code of conduct for 
> this mailing list, and the initial thought was to assume the HOT CoC should 
> be it. But the thing is, this list is operated and maintained by OSMF, and 
> the Community CoC Draft and OSMF Communication Guidelines seem to cover the 
> mailing list as well, but they seem to be outdated, and unmaintained for some 
> time. 
> 
> Do you think a CoC need to be adopted in the mailing list, and how? 
> 
> In such case, would a consensus in the list be sufficient for this, or should 
> there be a decision from the OSMF board?

Can,
I'm on the US Chapter's CoC committee. The Chapter formally adopted a CoC this 
year. US centric mailing list moderators were invited to opt in to having their 
lists covered by the CoC. If you look at wiki [1] you can see which lists are 
covered by a CoC with a link back to the CoC. 

I would encourage HOT to do something similar. It does not need approval from 
OSMF. Especially since OSMF only has etiquette guidelines with no means to 
handle complaints. 

Best,
Clifford


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Re: [HOT] Name tag in non-latin script - hindrance for NGOs/aid agencies?

[Mikel Maron]

There’s no reason to hide this about a dispute in Bangladesh when that’s 
already in the open, and there’s definitely overlap between the two mailing 
lists.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-bd/2019-November/000151.html 

My position is that it’s hard to understand why you’d want to map in English 
when the local names are otherwise. As far as I know this isn’t an issue in 
other countries where international NGOs operate, who should have the capacity 
to use name:en if needed. So yes count me confused by the position of OSM 
Bangladesh.
But I certainly don’t know the ins and outs of this particular situation, the 
people and the history behind how things have been organized in Bangladesh. 
What seems more important here than poking holes in arguments on public mailing 
lists is an attempt at a healthy dialog between the parties involved in the 
dispute.
Mikel

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 7:00 PM, Frederik Ramm  
wrote:

Dear HOT list,

the DWG has been involved in a discussion being had by the community in
a country where the official language uses non-latin characters.

I would like to keep this abstract hence I will not say which country it
is even though some of you will know; I don't think it matters. It is
not Japan but you can imagine Japan if you need an example.

In the country, more than 98% of the population speak the official
language as their native language, though English is commonly taught at
school and used in higher education. Older people or people outside of
the university system will often not be able to write English fluently.

Signs (road signs, signposts) seem to be exclusively in the official
language if less important, and in official language plus English where
more important. It is claimed that some signs in big cities are
English-only but I haven't yet seen one.

There is a dominant group in the country that says: Let us use English
for our "name" tags, and put the official language in name:xx (where xx
is the language code). This is relatively unusual for OSM, but it seems
to be the current consensus in the community. Some of them also request
that changeset discussions should be had in English instead of the
official language. Just like in many other countries, OSM was first
adopted by people at or involved with universities and hence used to
English, so the decision came lightly.

Parts of the discussion hinge on not all IT systems properly supporting
the special characters needed for the official language; but the main
argument brought up again and again by the proponents is that there are
many people from aid agencies and NGOs contributing data to OSM or using
data from OSM in that country, and the data was of lesser use (or even
useless) to them if name tags were in the official language. (This
reasoning is also used for the request to hold changeset discussions in
English.)

We have been told by the pro-English-name group:

> as the major user & contributors to the local repository are the aid agencies 
> like UN, MSF, Red Cross/Red Crescent eventually they are also facing problem 
> while using the data ... We have been reported a recent case were WFP was 
> unable to use the data due to this reason. ... Aid agencies like UN, MSF, Red 
> Crescent have run many projects to map large portions of the country and 
> given those data to OSM, which makes them big contributors and users of the 
> OSM data. But this data becomes useless if all `name` tags are replaced with 
> [local language] ... The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT) made a map for 
> disaster response that is available in OSM main site as an additional layer, 
> which also can't render [local language]. And that makes it a challenge in 
> times of disaster response.

Of course, the pro-local-name group feels stymied by the request to use
English; they feel this is an sign that the map is not "their" map but
someone else's and that requesting English changeset discussions
practically excludes large parts of the population.

This is an issue that ultimately the local community must solve for
itself. But it seems to be that there might be a danger of favouring
the comfort of international contributors and NGOs over that of the
local population - in a line of thought that goes "the map in our
country gains more if we can keep these NGOs interested by using
English, than if we attract the less-well-English speaking citizens of
our country".

I hope that there might be people from the organisations mentioned (UN,
MSF, Red Cross/Red Crescent, WFP, HOT) on this list who can tell me if
their organisations have policies or a general approach towards issues
like this. Is this a thing, projects hinging on whether the locals are
willing to deal in English? Or is "we have to use English to favour our
international partners" a red herring?

Bye
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Re: [HOT] NB: Organised Editing Guidelines | Re: Final Request: Volunteers Needed for Global Mapathons!

[Mikel Maron]

The guidelines are helpful high level guidance but the actual challenge is in 
implementation. Building a proper data operation, whether in OSM or not, is not 
just about talking to people and provide feedback. It definitely is that, but 
needs to be in a system. But working across all aspects of data operations 
systematically. 

It would really benefit the broader community to understand what those systems 
look like from groups that have built them. HOT could learn and the authors of 
the guidelines could learn, if they want to listen. 
Mikel

On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 2:04 PM, Rory McCann  wrote:

On 28.03.19 02:57, Vao Matua wrote:
> I have observed some characteristics about the OSM mapping through HOT 
> tasks being done by mapathons, primarily ones done by corporate sponsors.
> It appears that often these efforts are not well led, or at least not 
> led by individuals that have a good level of OSM experience and skills. 
> The results are that very common mistakes and errors are created.
> ... 
> Perhaps HOT should establish a test or a vetting process for potential 
> mapathon leaders?

Isn't this why we created the Organized Editing Guidelines in the first 
place? One solution is for mapathon hosts to talk about it before hand, 
and for people will more experience to provide feedback?

We spent a year on the organized editing policy. Why fart around 
ignoring the solution we have chosen. Let's move on. Mapathons can be of 
good quality and good for the community by following the policy. The 
rules are there. Follow them. Map. Organize. Have fun.

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Re: [HOT] NB: Organised Editing Guidelines | Re: Final Request: Volunteers Needed for Global Mapathons!

[Mikel Maron]

;>> Minecraft and create their own imaginary features
>>> 7) One characteristic of many of these mappers is an apparent hurried to 
>>> try to finish a tile. The buildings are over-generalized by either 
>>> combining buildings, creating polygons much larger than the actual 
>>> building, often the shapes are very crude and are not carefully formed with 
>>> right angles, many buildings are skipped or overlooked, many are 
>>> overlapping with other buildings or roads, and in many cases create 
>>> self-intersecting polygons
>>> 8) Once a mapper starts with these bad habits the habits are picked up by 
>>> others working at the same time which expands the problems
>>> 9) It appears that after a small number of edit sessions the mappers from 
>>> these efforts do not continue with other HOT tasks, and presumably go a way 
>>> thinking they have done their feel-good-humanitarian-service.
>>>
>>> The net result of these mapathons is that rather than contributing to the 
>>> completion of mapping in an area, there is actually more work required to 
>>> clean up the messes than there would have been to properly trace the 
>>> features from scratch.
>>> I do not believe this is a validation issue, but is an issue with 
>>> leadership. The individual organizing the event for the corporation or 
>>> group may have little or no OSM experience, and have been giving the task 
>>> of setting up the mapathon  and do not have the skills or expertise to help 
>>> newbie mappers.  I also have seen people that claim to have OSM experience 
>>> or skills often are very inexperienced and have very slight exposure, There 
>>> is a lot to learn about OSM, and we do ourselves a disservice by saying 
>>> that it's easy and anyone can do it. We should be happy to teach people, 
>>> but I don't believe any of us doesn't have more to learn.
>>> I have led several corporate mapathons in person and remotely, they are 
>>> hard work. The same can be said for tertiary school effort.
>>>
>>> Perhaps HOT should establish a test or a vetting process for potential 
>>> mapathon leaders?
>>>
>>> Emmor
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:06 PM Mikel Maron  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Important to note the guidelines are suggestions not enforced requirements 
>>>> of the OSMF. More on that in the blog post
>>>> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/02/09/organised-editing-guidelines/
>>>>
>>>> My opinion is master list of mapathons is a very good idea. I don’t think 
>>>> the wiki is best system suited to be the place for that primary list. 
>>>> Another tool could mirror to the wiki for archiving purposes.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Pierre. Data quality needs to become a primary focus of these 
>>>> and other mapping activities asap. Otherwise it’s not valuable experience 
>>>> for those present or everyone else working with OSM data. I think that 
>>>> will take more than trend, but a substantial direct investment by HOT, 
>>>> Missing Maps and others in systematically operationalizing data quality 
>>>> improvements across through training, monitoring, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Mikel
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 11:22 AM, Pierre Béland via HOT 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Shoud I insist, we also need a new trend where such projects take 
>>>> responsability to produce quality data.  Badly, too often, this is not 
>>>> what we observe.  For the Ebola response in North Kivu, the coordinators, 
>>>> we had to restart the mapping of Butembo in december since the data 
>>>> produced by newbies was so imprecise, so incomplete.
>>>>
>>>> Adequate training material and mapathon procedures need to be developped 
>>>> for Live data monitoring, interaction with newbies, and correct 
>>>> immediately quality problems.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le mercredi 27 mars 2019 10 h 40 min 07 s HAE, Rory McCann 
>>>>  a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The OSM community & Foundation has recently adopted the Organised
>>>> Editing Guidelines, to guide events like this. The community wants to
>>>> help you make this a successful mapathon.
>>>>
>>>> In emails like this, and in accordance with the OEG, you should link to
>>>> the wiki page

Re: [HOT] NB: Organised Editing Guidelines | Re: Final Request: Volunteers Needed for Global Mapathons!

[Mikel Maron]

 are not 
carefully formed with right angles, many buildings are skipped or overlooked, 
many are overlapping with other buildings or roads, and in many cases create 
self-intersecting polygons 8) Once a mapper starts with these bad habits the 
habits are picked up by others working at the same time which expands the 
problems 9) It appears that after a small number of edit sessions the mappers 
from these efforts do not continue with other HOT tasks, and presumably go a 
way thinking they have done their feel-good-humanitarian-service. 
  The net result of these mapathons is that rather than contributing to the 
completion of mapping in an area, there is actually more work required to clean 
up the messes than there would have been to properly trace the features from 
scratch. I do not believe this is a validation issue, but is an issue with 
leadership. The individual organizing the event for the corporation or group 
may have little or no OSM experience, and have been giving the task of setting 
up the mapathon  and do not have the skills or expertise to help newbie 
mappers.  I also have seen people that claim to have OSM experience or skills 
often are very inexperienced and have very slight exposure, There is a  lot to 
learn about OSM, and we do ourselves a disservice by saying that it's easy and 
anyone can do it. We should be happy to teach people, but I don't believe any 
of us doesn't have more to learn. I have led several corporate mapathons in 
person and remotely, they are hard work. The same can be said for tertiary 
school effort. 
  Perhaps HOT should establish a test or a vetting process for potential 
mapathon leaders? 
 Emmor 
   
  On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:06 PM Mikel Maron  wrote:
  
  Important to note the guidelines are suggestions not enforced requirements of 
the OSMF. More on that in the blog post 
 https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/02/09/organised-editing-guidelines/  
  My opinion is master list of mapathons is a very good idea. I don’t think the 
wiki is best system suited to be the place for that primary list. Another tool 
could mirror to the wiki for archiving purposes. 
  I agree with Pierre. Data quality needs to become a primary focus of these 
and other mapping activities asap. Otherwise it’s not valuable experience for 
those present or everyone else working with OSM data. I think that will take 
more than trend, but a substantial direct investment by HOT, Missing Maps and 
others in systematically operationalizing data quality improvements across 
through training, monitoring, etc.
 
 Mikel
 
On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 11:22 AM, Pierre Béland via HOT 
 wrote:
 
 Shoud I insist, we also need a new trend where such projects take 
responsability to produce quality data.  Badly, too often, this is not what we 
observe.  For the Ebola response in North Kivu, the coordinators, we had to 
restart the mapping of Butembo in december since  the data produced by newbies 
was so imprecise, so incomplete. 
  Adequate training material and mapathon procedures need to be developped for 
Live data monitoring, interaction with newbies, and correct immediately quality 
problems. 
   
 Pierre 
   
  
   Le mercredi 27 mars 2019 10 h 40 min 07 s HAE, Rory McCann 
 a écrit :  
  
   The OSM community & Foundation has recently adopted the Organised
 Editing Guidelines, to guide events like this. The community wants to
 help you make this a successful mapathon.
 
 In emails like this, and in accordance with the OEG, you should link to
 the wiki page(s) describing your mapathon.
 
 https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities
 
 
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Re: [HOT] NB: Organised Editing Guidelines | Re: Final Request: Volunteers Needed for Global Mapathons!

[Mikel Maron]

Important to note the guidelines are suggestions not enforced requirements of 
the OSMF. More on that in the blog post 
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/02/09/organised-editing-guidelines/ 
My opinion is master list of mapathons is a very good idea. I don’t think the 
wiki is best system suited to be the place for that primary list. Another tool 
could mirror to the wiki for archiving purposes.
I agree with Pierre. Data quality needs to become a primary focus of these and 
other mapping activities asap. Otherwise it’s not valuable experience for those 
present or everyone else working with OSM data. I think that will take more 
than trend, but a substantial direct investment by HOT, Missing Maps and others 
in systematically operationalizing data quality improvements across through 
training, monitoring, etc.

Mikel

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 11:22 AM, Pierre Béland via HOT 
 wrote:

Shoud I insist, we also need a new trend where such projects take 
responsability to produce quality data.  Badly, too often, this is not what we 
observe.  For the Ebola response in North Kivu, the coordinators, we had to 
restart the mapping of Butembo in december since the data produced by newbies 
was so imprecise, so incomplete.
Adequate training material and mapathon procedures need to be developped for 
Live data monitoring, interaction with newbies, and correct immediately quality 
problems. 
 
Pierre 
 

Le mercredi 27 mars 2019 10 h 40 min 07 s HAE, Rory McCann 
 a écrit :  
 
 The OSM community & Foundation has recently adopted the Organised
Editing Guidelines, to guide events like this. The community wants to
help you make this a successful mapathon.

In emails like this, and in accordance with the OEG, you should link to
the wiki page(s) describing your mapathon.

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities


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[HOT] welcome new HOT Voting Members!

[Mikel Maron]

We just concluded our Special Meeting, where the vote and ratification resulted 
in all nominated members being accepted!
Please join us in welcoming: Minhaz Mahmud Arko, Dongpo Deng, Rebecca Firth, 
Céline Jacquin, Bakos Gabor, Victor N Sunday, Ramadyan Abdul Hadi, Jubal 
Harpster, Marc Farra, Adam Rowlands, Shadrock Roberts, Joshua S Campbell, Ethan 
Nelson, Angela Odour Lungati, Benjamin Herfort, Johnattan Adolfo Rupire Añazco, 
Stephen Penson, Set Khaing, Steven Ramage, Emmor Nile, Kokou Elolo AMEGAYIBO, 
Mats’eliso Thobei Letsie, Aga Kreglewska, Christian Shadrack, Ashley Schmeltzer
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Re: [HOT] Nominations open for new HOT voting members!

[Mikel Maron]

Hey everyone -- reminder that nominations are open until Saturday, March 10! If 
you are a voting member -- nominate folks. If you are interested to become a 
member, please do not hesitate to put yourself forward (you can put yourself 
up) 
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScklpA0cLTe1vh138zAfyKudWAF6_ninkx71HQQZ6xM_px8bQ/viewform

-Mikel
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On Monday, February 26, 2018, 12:08:01 PM EST, Pete Masters 
<pete.mast...@hotosm.org> wrote:  
 
 
Hello HOT community, how are you all?


It’s the time of year again where we develop and grow the HOT voting 
membership. The way this works is that each of the current members can nominate 
one new person to join. We are looking for people who are passionate about 
HOT’s work and who have made significant contributions.


This year, to try and increase the diversity of the HOT membership, we are also 
inviting people to express interest in being a member even if they do not have 
contacts within the current membership (i.e. don’t know any members who can 
nominate them). We will then offer members the opportunity to support these 
people expressing interest by formally nominating them. 


So, if you would like to express interest in becoming a HOT voting member, and 
you don’t know any current members, you can do so here [1]. 


If you are interested and you do know current members, ask one of them to 
nominate you (go here to see who the current members are [2]).


The nominations are open until 10th March.


If you have any other questions about the process or want to talk about any 
related matters, please feel free to get in touch.


Cheers,


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Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

[Mikel Maron]

The hot@openstreetmap.org mailing list is not subject to any more restrictions 
than any other OSMF maintained list. It is not restricted to HOT members and 
partners, nor is it subject to HOT governance.
Here is my response from yesterday clarifying, in case you missed it.
> Sure, a simple clarification. The OSMF hosted mailing lists fall under the 
> etiquette and moderation guidelines at 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette. The HOT Code of Conduct applies 
> to different domains and set of actors, most especially Voting Members of 
> HOT. 

I don't see value in an additional mailing list myself, but rather encourage 
better and more intentional use of the resources we have.

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On Friday, December 15, 2017, 6:54:56 AM EST, <mar...@noblecourt.eu> wrote: 
 
 
 Dear all,

This is actually another interesting topic!
If we move for a more general mailing list on international 
development/humanitarian topics (not restricted to the HOT membership 
and partners), I would suggest maybe not to use the "humanitarian" word 
that is only describing a subset of this scope of activities.
Since development can be confusing with IT development, I would suggest 
something like internatio...@openstreetmap.org

However creating doesn't always do the trick: we've seen it with the 
hot-francophone mailing list that was created to generate more exchanges 
between Francophone countries (in particular Africa & Haiti) on 
development topics and is not super successful because the communities 
we wanted to exchange with are not big fans of mailing lists for 
cultural reasons.

Best

Martin

On 15/12/2017 12:42, Milo van der Linden wrote:
> Could we ask the OSMF if we can set up a
> humanitar...@openstreetmap.org mailing list that is not subject of HOT
> restrictions and open to everyone under the same rules and regulations
> of other OSM mailinglists?
> 
> 2017-12-14 18:40 GMT+01:00 nicolas chavent
> <nicolas.chav...@gmail.com>:
> 
>> Dear all HOT Us Inc members, subscribers of the hot at openstreetmap
>> mailing-list and OSMF members,
>> 
>> There's is something weird in Dale Kunce (HOT US Inc President and
>> OSMF member) in this email announcing that the HOT US Inc Code of
>> Conduct https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct [1] will be
>> enforced on the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list (an OpenStreetMap
>> mailing list to discuss uses of OSM in the humanitarian and
>> development sectors [1]) which like other OpenStreetMap thematic
>> mailing lists [2] (software development, tagging etc ...) and other
>> discussions fora (wiki, forum etc) belong to the commons of the
>> OpenStreetMap project and is regulated via the OSMF and the OSM
>> members and is yet not subject to agreed upon and enforced CoC as
>> reminded by the last OSMF election discussions [3].
>> 
>> It would be beneficial for the regulations of the OpenStreetMap
>> commons, that the President of HOT US Inc refrain from enforcing his
>> own organization's conversational policy and procedures (which has
>> never been voted by the HOT US Inc membership) over an OSM mailing
>> list and narrow his focus and actions on the resources of his own
>> organizations (membership mailing list, tools etc) or the
>> conversations of the HOT US Inc membership.
>> It would also be beneficial to assess and look at the moderation of
>> the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list from a non HOT US Inc only
>> perspective, shall we want this list to be the mailing list of
>> anyone OpenStreeMap members (and not yet members) interested into
>> the use of OpenStreetMap diversified and decentralized and not the
>> list of only-one organization of the OpenStreetMap ecosystem active
>> across the humanitarian and development sectors.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Nicolas
>> 
>> [1]: http://lists [3].openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> [2]: http://wiki [4].openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
>> [3]: https://lists
>> [5].openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Dale Kunce <dale.ku...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Earlier today someone on this list made some rude and disparaging
>>> remarks about the iD developers. This is not the first time an
>>> outside supporting group has been attacked by members of this
>>> list. Your words have meaning. Your words can have far greater
>>> impact than you believe. One individual, not elected, can have a
>>> huge negative impact that directly affects HOT's mission.
>>> 
>>> One of HOT's biggest fans and supporters has unsubscribed from
>>> this 

Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] Code of Conduct Reminder

[Mikel Maron]

Sure, a simple clarification. The OSMF hosted mailing lists fall under the 
etiquette and moderation guidelines at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette. The HOT Code of Conduct applies 
to different domains and set of actors, most especially Voting Members of HOT. 
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Thursday, December 14, 2017, 12:43:16 PM EST, nicolas chavent 
<nicolas.chav...@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Dear all HOT Us Inc members, subscribers of the hot at openstreetmap 
mailing-list and OSMF members, 

There's is something weird in Dale Kunce (HOT US Inc President and OSMF member) 
in this email announcing that the HOT US Inc Code of Conduct 
https://www.hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct will be enforced on the hot at 
openstreetmap mailing-list (an OpenStreetMap mailing list to discuss uses of 
OSM in the humanitarian and development sectors [1]) which like other 
OpenStreetMap thematic mailing lists [2] (software development, tagging etc 
...) and other discussions fora (wiki, forum etc) belong to the commons of the 
OpenStreetMap project and is regulated via the OSMF and the OSM members and is 
yet not subject to agreed upon and enforced CoC as reminded by the last OSMF 
election discussions [3]. 

It would be beneficial for the regulations of the OpenStreetMap commons, that 
the President of HOT US Inc refrain from enforcing his own organization's 
conversational policy and procedures (which has never been voted by the HOT US 
Inc membership) over an OSM mailing list and narrow his focus and actions on 
the resources of his own organizations (membership mailing list, tools etc) or 
the conversations of the HOT US Inc membership. 
It would also be beneficial to assess and look at the moderation of the hot at 
openstreetmap mailing-list from a non HOT US Inc only perspective, shall we 
want this list to be the mailing list of anyone OpenStreeMap members (and not 
yet members) interested into the use of OpenStreetMap diversified and 
decentralized and not the list of only-one organization of the OpenStreetMap 
ecosystem active across the humanitarian and development sectors.   

Best, 
Nicolas
 
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On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Dale Kunce <dale.ku...@gmail.com> wrote:

Earlier today someone on this list made some rude and disparaging remarks about 
the iD developers. This is not the first time an outside supporting group has 
been attacked by members of this list. Your words have meaning. Your words can 
have far greater impact than you believe. One individual, not elected, can have 
a huge negative impact that directly affects HOT's mission. 
One of HOT's biggest fans and supporters has unsubscribed from this list, 
rightly so, because of these attacks. The individual was and is key to helping 
the OSM community with important technology tools that we need to map better.
I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Code of Conduct 
https://www.hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct. It will be enforced and offenders 
will be asked to leave our community if you cannot help us form a positive 
welcoming community. The Code of Conduct is not for some special group to 
enforce the power of a strong CoC lies with the community to enforce good 
positive communication norms.
Thanks

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Re: [HOT] sporadic validation report

[Mikel Maron]

Let's stop apologizing to Bryan and figure out how HOT can practically do 
better to support a vibrant developer community. It's not about more mailing 
list discussion, but clarity and leadership and how to be productive.
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 2:06:23 PM EST, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM 
<blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:  
 
 Hi Bryan,

I just want to echo what Russ said, and let you know how much I and
everyone at HOT appreciates how much you have done for the
OpenStreetMap community. The iD editor and your work specifically, has
made the OpenStreetMap project and open geospatial data creation
accessible to 10's of thousands of people around the world. It is a
tool that people can use to improve their lives and their communities
and it helped OSM become the critically important project that it is
today.

I also know how much you have personally done for HOT above and beyond
your regular iD editor wizardry.

I sincerely apologize we as an organization did not do a better job
make sure you knew how much we appreciated you and your contribution
to OSM.

Respectfully,
blake

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Russell Deffner
<russell.deff...@hotosm.org> wrote:
> Bryan,
>
>
>
> I hope you know that HOT appreciates all you do; personally I don’t disagree
> with leaving communication channels that are more frustration than anything
> else.  My point being, that message was against the Code of Conduct for all
> community members participating in HOT related tools and platforms,
> including this public list.  However, retaliating against HOT the
> organization because of one ‘random’ person’s email, I don’t agree with.
> Everyone should consider that they are communicating with other human beings
> and when IRL does that kind of communication work to get the results you’re
> after?
>
>
>
> If there is anything I can do to moderate and send people to the correct
> means to ‘air their grievance’ you are welcome to contact me directly,
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> Russell Deffner
>
> Voting Member+
>
> Email: russell.deff...@hotosm.org
>
> OSM/Skype: russdeffner
>
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)
>
> Web | Wiki | Blog | Contact | Donate – Please Help Us #MapTheDifference
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bryan Housel [mailto:br...@7thposition.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:57 AM
> To: Russell Deffner
> Cc: Ralf Stephan; osm-hot
> Subject: Re: [HOT] sporadic validation report
>
>
>
> Russ I *am* on this mailing list.  But good news for all of you - I’m
> unsubscribing.
>
> I don’t prioritize features for people or organizations who hate me.
>
>
>
> Thanks though,
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Ralf,
>
>
>
> I hope it doesn’t need much explaining, but that message doesn’t belong on
> the HOT mailing list for 2 reasons.  1) The iD developers are not
> necessarily on the HOT mailing list (this list is for discussing things
> related to the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT) https://hotosm.org).
> 2) The message is in conflict with our Code of Conduct
> https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct#fullversion
>
>
>
> It would be unfortunate if we need to so quickly put the new community CoC
> into practice, but this message would be a good example for when to put our
> foot down.
>
>
>
> Please take a break and think before corresponding with us,
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> Russell Deffner
>
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)
>
> Web | Wiki | Blog | Contact | Donate – Please help us #mapthedifference!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ralf Stephan [mailto:gtrw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:45 AM
> To: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [HOT] sporadic validation report
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> just now 5 out of 5 people that registered within the last 24 hours and
> worked on task #3939 did not square their buildings. I hate you, iD devs.
>
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Re: [HOT] sporadic validation report

[Mikel Maron]

Whoa, not ok. There is plenty of momentum on this issue, and this is not 
constructive. Lashing out like this is disrespectful not only to developers, 
but everyone else on this list.-Mikel
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 11:46:15 AM EST, Ralf Stephan 
<gtrw...@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hello,just now 5 out of 5 people that registered within the last 24 hours and 
worked on task #3939 did not square their buildings. I hate you, iD 
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Re: [HOT] Chequerboard Pattern

[Mikel Maron]

 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important;  padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  It would be possible to run an osmlint analysis to identify 
square forests, to get an idea of the extent of the problem. then set up a task 
for fixing.


Mikel

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017, 4:57 PM, Harry Wood  wrote:

I certainly have noticed this. It drives me nuts to be honest.


I remember during the Nepal response mapping I did nothing but fixing up ugly 
square bits of forest. I think a few other people joined in with this too, 
because these days I can see we've mostly eliminated them across that massive 
area.
I don't know what the solution is really. I think the statutory instructions 
should be *Do not add square bits of forest*... but not sure if everyone would 
agree, and I guess people will do it anyway. Anyone have other ideas?


In the case you mentioned we have an old archived TM project at  
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/816  . which did actually ask for forest data:


"Also of interest are "gallery forests" (forests that form corridors along 
rivers or wetlands and project into landscapes that are otherwise only sparsely 
treed), as these are prime tsetse fly habitat (natural=wood)."  

Particularly fiddly details to map, so it would take a lot of effort to finish 
it off and eliminate the chequerboard effect there. Seems messy that it's just 
left like that though.

Harry


From: Russell Deffner 
To: 'Kretzer' ; 'HOT Openstreetmap'  
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017, 17:34
Subject: Re: [HOT] Chequerboard Pattern



Yes, the typical Tasking Manager projects (with squares vs. arbitrary task 
size) are not really good for doing large natural/landuse features like forest. 
Not sure what project(s) that is and if it's asking for that, more likely and I 
often see mappers adding features that are not requested in the project. It can 
make a tough time stitching all those forest bits together although in this 
case it doesn't look too bad, yet.
=Russ

-Original Message-
From: Kretzer [mailto:kret...@gmx.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM
To: HOT Openstreetmap
Subject: [HOT] Chequerboard Pattern

Hi,
have you noticed how the use of the Task Manager sometimes produces nice 
patterns like here:  http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=9/5.5244/25.1862 ?

You can see that at least some users are very diciplined in staying inside the 
box :-)

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[HOT] 2017 HOT Board and Chair Election Results

[Mikel Maron]

We've just completed the 2017 HOT Election
The newly elected Board Members are Ahasanul Hoque, Pete Masters, Melanie Eckle
Votes total: 85Vote for Board:
Kuo-Yu Chuang (slayer) 36Ahasanul Hoque 56Pete Masters 66Melanie Eckle 
58Abstain 7

The newly elected Chair is Mikel Maron
Votes total: 85Vote for Chair:

Mikel Maron 78Abstain 7
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Re: [HOT] Mapping buildings something to think about

[Mikel Maron]

All, let's draw this thread to a close. I think we can safely take away that 
additional training, validation, tool and process improvement is needed. Most 
importantly, in the future please keep in mind -- we are all working hard 
together to make the map. We owe each other respect in our communications, and 
constructive comments that lead us forward. Anything else drowns out the value 
of what you want to say.Thanks-Mikel
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On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 9:00 AM, Ralf Stephan <gtrw...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Just an idea. As to quality I think HOT/OSM can learn from zooniverse.org 
where they have lots of projects with thousands of citizen participants that 
produce science data, mostly to provide classifications for AI learning. For 
example each project sporadically presents the user without telling with 
pre-classified tasks in order to assess their reliability. Also, they use 
classifications from several users to get the end results, that's our 
validation, but can we do more like this? I'm sure zooniverse does even more 
under the hood, maybe we should ask them?
Regards, 
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 1:53 PM john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Majka.

I think Majka has pinned down one major problem.  Same problem as I had with 
trainee programmers to them speed was important.  In HOT we shoot ourselves in 
the foot by saying this project is urgent, implying speed is of the essence.  
We need a different way to say this.

This project is important perhaps?

Can we incorporate some elements of Majka's words into learnOSM.

Just for the record I'm not against iD I've seen someone map a building 
perfectly without even touching S to square the building, but if you're mapping 
buildings I don't think its the best tool for the job for new inexperienced 
mappers.

The other thing that has come up on the thread is the lack of validators.  Like 
Polyglot I'm tired of seeing the same mistakes made over and over again.  I've 
cut back on validating to a single project at the moment.  I've left messages 
for a number of mappers only to see them make the same mistakes a week or so 
later and these are mappers I've given feedback to within 24 hours of their 
mapping.  Yes there are some who have gone on to become solid mappers but they 
aren't the majority.

At the moment I'm loading in sections of the map and correcting crossing ways, 
highways that almost meet etc. normally without feedback.  It cleans the map up 
but it would be better if we could catch the mistakes before they are made.  
JOSM will warn about crossing highways before uploading.  I'm not sure if iD 
etc does but there are many many many of them.

If you want more validators or people to do more validation I think you have to 
ask yourselves can the job be made more attractive in some way and error 
prevention might help.

Cheerio John

On 11 April 2017 at 07:25, majka <majka.zem+t...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have to admit, I couldn't use iD for "bulk" mapping for the life of me. I 
find it suitable for the one-off mapping / for doing corrections only. But some 
mappers do and do well with this. You can find haphazardly mapped buildings and 
untagged ways and nodes using JOSM for mapping as well, just not as often.A 
better "building tool" for iD would help some but not for all of it.
The fundamental problem is that some mappers fail to understand mapping isn't a 
race. Somehow, the number of edits / added buildings / changes became more 
important than precision. We are partly promoting this by looking at the number 
of edits to declare a mapper as experienced.
I try to explain to the mappers that sometimes the work is done so badly that 
it would be better to do only one tenth of it but to do so correctly. As 
English is my third or fourth language, I struggle with the correct way to 
explain this, to get the right mix of being diplomatic and to get through - 
above all when I am shouting and swearing in my head at the person who has done 
the mapping.
If I could wish for one thing only to start every new mapper with, it would be 
this: Exact and precise mapping is more important than anything else. Do not 
map for quantity but for quality. And if unsure about tagging, look for help. 
In HOT tasks, read what is expected from you and do exactly so.
Here comes the importance of earliest possible validation - to stop the bad 
habit from forming. New mappers (and old ones as well) would still make 
mistakes but we shouldn't ignore the systematic ones just because it is a new 
mapper and we don't want to be too hard on them.
Everything else comes with experience, the speed of work as well. It is not a 
problem of HOT alone - locally, a new mapper without any experience has 
uploaded more than 100 changesets within the first 24 hours after his 
registration. Every single one of it has to be corrected somehow. Leave it long 
enough uncorrected and 

[HOT] HOT Board and Chair Elections

[Mikel Maron]

 HOT Community
In a few hours, we will open nominations for Board and Chair elections! These 
are the key governance roles for HOT Voting Members, a very significant way to 
contribute to HOT.
Nominations will be open until March 14 -- followed by a week of discussion til 
March 21, and then voting until April 4. Voting Members are eligible to run and 
nominate.
Nominations are made on the OSM wiki: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Board_Elections_2017

Board Primer has details on the commitment 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ze85KMCa39KIzQPPTQL5EGZgDS84OC1j2sNNDPFNo2Y/editSame
 for Chair 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Az1frA4OQx0KagLj5RQVaiK1bad2sAyw-My1ZIbEwPM/edit
Let me know if you have any questions.-Mikel
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Re: [HOT] new Voting Member nominations

[Mikel Maron]

Reminder -- nominations are open until January 25. If you are interested, get 
in touch with a current HOT Member.-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel 
s:mikelmaron 

On Friday, January 13, 2017 12:00 PM, Mikel Maron <mikel.ma...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 
 

 Greetings HOT!
Interested to take your efforts with HOT to the next level? We have just begun 
the first induction of 2017 of new Voting Members of HOT. Voting Members take a 
greater role in the governance and organizational development of HOT, we need 
and would love more help.
Each current Voting Member can nominate one new person. If you're interested, 
reach out to discuss joining and a nomination -- list of the current Voting 
Members and more details on the responsibilities of membership can be found at 
https://hotosm.org/voting-members. Nominations are open until January 25.
-Mikel & HOT election committee
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[HOT] new Voting Member nominations

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Greetings HOT!
Interested to take your efforts with HOT to the next level? We have just begun 
the first induction of 2017 of new Voting Members of HOT. Voting Members take a 
greater role in the governance and organizational development of HOT, we need 
and would love more help.
Each current Voting Member can nominate one new person. If you're interested, 
reach out to discuss joining and a nomination -- list of the current Voting 
Members and more details on the responsibilities of membership can be found at 
https://hotosm.org/voting-members. Nominations are open until January 25.
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Re: [HOT] Help HOT give 10 communities the resources to map!

[Mikel Maron]

Hey all, please dampen down the conspiracy theories, personal bitterness and 
politics. There are ways to ask questions with out being damning, and to share 
perspectives without lowering ourselves to populist rhetoric and smearing. 
Let’s try better. The etiquette page on the wiki is a good read to get our 
conversations on the right footing 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette. Thanks -Mikel * Mikel Maron * 
+14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:39 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 
 

 One of the problems with giving aid is only about a tenth of the money given 
is used in the way one would hope.Probably the most pressing problem in Africa 
at the moment is corruption and in many ways aid doesn't help this particular 
problem.Mapping in OSM is way to assist without fear that the funds will be 
diverted.Money given by government agencies stands a little more chance that 
the aid will get through although there is always the temptation to say it must 
be shipped on ships from the donor country or must be spent on goods from the 
donor country.Given that HOT Inc exists in the US and given the USA culture, 
who else could elect Donald, I think we can expect them to present themselves 
in this manner.Whilst I would hope that requirements and benefits can be 
presented I'm not sure that this is in the US tradition.  Given the attention 
span of the target audience again is it worth the effort to HOT Inc?  Should 
the message have been restricted to those with a US address?If I'm cynical then 
the task manager has been very effective.  The training group has identified 
problem areas and come up with solutions. However HOT is not just HOT Inc there 
are many people involved in creating maps and the tools used.  Germany is home 
to many of them.   The OSM wiki contains much wisdom, the page I'm thinking of 
was put together by a Canadian, well a Québécois which is practically the 
same.I'd like to see two slots on the most urgent slots in tasks reserved for 
projects that are run by OSM groups in affected areas to give some sort of 
recognition to the work they are doing.  If nothing else they're learning 
project management skills that they can apply elsewhere.In sum HOT Inc probably 
deserves some support but on transparency I think it could do better.Cheerio 
John
On 1 Dec 2016 7:16 pm, "Severin Menard" <severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Let usfigure out what is happening here:HOT USInc starts a micro-grant program 
supposedly to support 10 local OSMcommunities worldwide by raising money. Some 
of them being alreadyHOT-Sponsored through grants, others being totally 
autonomous fromHOT US Inc. Looks great. Micro-grants are not HOT US Inc 
specialityas it has been refusing from 2013 to deal with projects under 
10,000USD grants, what may explain why it is not clear at all how the moneyfrom 
these smaller grants will be used: who decides how to split, ifthe 10 
communities will all receive a tenth of it or if it is relatedto their 
requirements (if only HOT US Inc took the time to ask them),if the communities 
will receive all the money in cash or if HOT USInc will proceed to purchases, 
etc. OK, it is totallyunclear/unexplained, but damn let us donate, this a good 
cause!But ifyou read the explanation text you can read this: “When donating,you 
have the choice of where your funds go: to micro-grants or wherethey're needed 
most to support HOT's critical work and technology”.What? The first time this 1 
million dollar organization (according tohttps://hotosm.org/sites/ 
default/files/HOT_2015_Annual_ Report.pdf)raises money specifically for far 
less funded local OSM communities,it really needs to suggest to take money from 
them? I don’tknow if HOT US Inc needs fund-raising again to fix a new 
unexpected,mismanaged 100,000+ USD financial hole like last year 
withoutexplaining it to the donors (or even its voting members) forgettingthat 
the O of HOT is for Open, but this is certainly not the rightway to do it 
here.Evenbetter, all the people participating in the video have 
beenautomatically called “HOT community leaders”. Ladies and gents,you belong 
to the HOT US Inc brand now, just because you showed up inthe video. From my 
long experience with HOT US Inc, I can tell youthat this wording will be next 
used in every, every grant HOT US Incwill try to get in the future, emphasizing 
this community support inits storytelling. In short, for the 1 USD you may get 
from HOT US Incthrough this micro-grants program, aside from the 1 USD it 
willdirectly keep, HOT US Inc will multiply this in the future for itsvery own 
use. Do notbe surprised, this is not the first time HOT US Inc takes over the 
workfrom others. For the last two years or so, everyone using the HOT US 
IncTasking Manager instance becomes instantaneously a “HOT volunteer”,even if 
she or he does not even know what HOT is, and included in HOTUS Inc statistics. 
Peop

Re: [HOT] Map4Haiti

[Mikel Maron]

I'm not really interested to engage in old nonsense and distractions like this. 
Does nothing to help anyone.

Point still is, an additional tasking manager for this response is unnecessary 
and confusing.

Mikel

On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 9:25 AM, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:


Mikel Maron mikel.maron at gmail.com  wrote on Sat Oct 15 12:03:00 UTC 2016 > 
Having two tasking managers for the same response area is of course going to 
create conflicts. 
> There's no need at all to create jobs for Haiti on another tasking manager. 
> Simply, communicat>  the needs for mapping, including AOI, need, etc, to the 
> HOT activation team and it will be prioritized and set up.
Nicolas Chavent lead in January 2010 the OpenStreetMap Humanitarian Responses 
in Haiti, making a few trips in Haiti with other GIS from the not yet 
incorporated NGO called HOT.  These first major Activtion add quite a great 
success and showed the capacity of NGO's to collaborate with UN agencies and 
humanitarian NGO's.
>From 2012, we started a serie of major Activations. I lead Activations for DR 
>Congo, Mali, Haiyan Philippines, West Africa Ebola, Vanuatu and the Nepal 
>earthquake last year.  Severin also lead a serie of Activations for forgotten 
>conflicts such as Central Africa an South Sudan.  This brought in a lot of 
>innovations, more and more confidence for humanitarian NGO's to work with 
>OpenStreetMap.
But badly at the same time there are conflicts inside HOT about orientations 
and some people that do not respect enough volunteers. New rules to control the 
Tasking manager, censorship of the HOT list, new rules that exclude the 'Bad 
frenchies' from the Activation lead, this is not the best when you start an 
Activation like this one for Haiti.
Nicolas, Severin, Jean-Guilhem, Fred and myself all worked in Haiti to develop 
the OSM community.  Fred Moine worked two years for the OIM in Port-au-Prince 
and continued collaboration with haitians to develop an Imagery acquisition 
project with Drones.  He did provide 3D imagery for various location at risk 
such as Riviere Grise and Canaan.

You and your friends Mikel have choose to not support Fred initiatives but to 
support later the development of Uviator.
In parrallel to HOT our group of quite experienced leaders of OS Responses are 
working to support a team of OSM responders in Port-au-Prince. Fred Moine, 
Xavier Tardieu and Pressler Jean are working closely with the Haiti Civil 
Security. We did work to enhance the list of Schools and hospitals in the South 
West peninsula of Haiti. The OSM african contributors from Bouake organize Task 
Manager jobs to focus on the most affected areas.  Our collegues in 
Port-au-Prince also had the opportunity last week to take an helico while the 
road was closed and take the first drone images of Jeremy to asssess the 
situation with the Haiti Civil Security. They will have new missions next week 
to cover more areas.
There are tensions and hunger in these towns where more then 80% of houses are 
damaged or destructed. The drones offer a great possibility to help to assess 
the damages and the Civil Security wants to try this option.
As Jean-Guilhem was saying yesterday (please stop to censor his emails) we will 
organise post-disaster tasks to evaluate damages.
Dale was criticizing before such projects.  As I told him after Haiyan, both 
OSM, Copernicus and others did evaluations using very bad aerial imagery due to 
bad atmospheric conditions.  There were surely limits to such evaluations. 
Imagery from Drone offer quite better quality. Plus we have to adapt to the 
reality and needs of each Activation.
In the best world we would work all together with respect and continue to 
progress to respond better and better to international humanitarian responses.
We have great experience with Activations and want to continue helping the 
international community and NGO's in such difficult situations.  We need to 
concentrate in the western part of the South-west peninsula where NGO's did not 
deliver yet water and food, where teams of doctors circulate rapidly in some 
points to take care only of more wounded persons. Cholera is spreading and 
there is a high risk of epidemy.
Mikel, Dale and other board members you decided to take different directions. 
If you are ready to work with respect, openess with us, to let the experienced 
volunteers continue to lead Activations and be on the DHN coordination room 
with our partners, tell us. 


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Re: [HOT] Map4Haiti

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#715FFA solid !important;  padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  Agree with you John. Working with local mapper groups of course 
is the best. There are many French speaking HOT members and volunteers, 
including in Haiti.
But that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary tasking 
manager.

Mikel

On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 9:08 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Which begs the question why should HOT decide the priorities?

I note that we don't see many projects from local groups especially in the high 
priority list and in this case Haiti the local language is French which means 
it is more difficult for the local needs to be understood by none francophone 
outsiders.

There are problems with the functioning of the government of Haiti but there 
are functioning OSM locals but the best way to strengthen them is to work with 
them.

Cheerio John

On 15 October 2016 at 08:03, Mikel Maron <mikel.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

Having two tasking managers for the same response area is of course going to 
create conflicts. There's no need at all to create jobs for Haiti on another 
tasking manager. Simply, communicate the needs for mapping, including AOI, 
need, etc, to the HOT activation team and it will be prioritized and set up.

Mikel

On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 4:51 AM, Severin Menard 
<severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:

 
Hi,

New update about ourcontribution to the OSM Map4Haiti mapping. Job#45 is almost 
done now and we will start mapping the rural areaswithin the hills of 
département of Grande-Anse, over the communes ofAbricots, Dame-Marie, 
Chambellan, Moron, Anse d'Hainault and GrandeAnse, located in the most affected 
areas by Hurricane Matthew (UNOSATimpact zone 1, with winds over 120 km/h) with 
job#64, continuing our systematic, consolidated effort over thehills (called 
mornes in Haiti).

We hold an agileSOTM today here at Université Alassane Ouattara and will have a 
teamof crisis mapping during the whole day to show students and peoplewhat it 
is. No newcomer will be invited to map on Haiti from Bouakébut invited to 
become a local mapper, raise his skills and join laterwhen experienced enough. 

I hope this messageis read by the HOT US coordination team, especially Dale 
Kunce: 

October 8 6:30 PM UTCI communicated about job #39about pre-disaster mapping 
over Jeremie. On October 12, whenour mapping is almost done on Central Jeremie, 
we figure out peopleare mapping on the area, due to a HOTUS job #2228 created 
by Dale Kunce. We stopped and quicklydetected all the mistakes done by very 
recent mappers. 

October 12 11:40 AMUTC I communicated on the hot list including regarding 
job#45 about mapping Jeremie’s hinterland. Later this day, HOTUS job #2224 
covering an area slightly smaller inside the one Imade was created by Dale 
Kunce... As if there was no other places to bemapped in Haiti... 

So far, we created 7jobs over Haiti, I communicated about them and they are all 
onthe http://taches. francophonelibre.org frontpage, so it is not a big deal 
justto check them.

@Dale I think HOT UScreated a curriculum to raise skills to become Crisis 
activators, Iwould advise you to read it one day when you have a bit of time. 
If ever it does not mention to read andcommunicate in the hot list during an 
activation, I would suggest toadd it into the documentation. As an incorporated 
company, HOT US may have its own internaltools to organize its mapping, but the 
minimum is to communicate abit on the hot list with the OSM community, who is 
the holder of thislist (as everything with @openstreetmap.org). 
If you now create anew job covering job#45, I may try next time to create a job 
in the middle of thewater, just to see if you jump on it. 



Sincerely,



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Re: [HOT] Map4Haiti

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Having two tasking managers for the same response area is of course going to 
create conflicts. There's no need at all to create jobs for Haiti on another 
tasking manager. Simply, communicate the needs for mapping, including AOI, 
need, etc, to the HOT activation team and it will be prioritized and set up.

Mikel

On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 4:51 AM, Severin Menard 
 wrote:

 
Hi,

New update about ourcontribution to the OSM Map4Haiti mapping. Job#45 is almost 
done now and we will start mapping the rural areaswithin the hills of 
département of Grande-Anse, over the communes ofAbricots, Dame-Marie, 
Chambellan, Moron, Anse d'Hainault and GrandeAnse, located in the most affected 
areas by Hurricane Matthew (UNOSATimpact zone 1, with winds over 120 km/h) with 
job#64, continuing our systematic, consolidated effort over thehills (called 
mornes in Haiti).

We hold an agileSOTM today here at Université Alassane Ouattara and will have a 
teamof crisis mapping during the whole day to show students and peoplewhat it 
is. No newcomer will be invited to map on Haiti from Bouakébut invited to 
become a local mapper, raise his skills and join laterwhen experienced enough. 

I hope this messageis read by the HOT US coordination team, especially Dale 
Kunce: 

October 8 6:30 PM UTCI communicated about job #39about pre-disaster mapping 
over Jeremie. On October 12, whenour mapping is almost done on Central Jeremie, 
we figure out peopleare mapping on the area, due to a HOTUS job #2228 created 
by Dale Kunce. We stopped and quicklydetected all the mistakes done by very 
recent mappers. 

October 12 11:40 AMUTC I communicated on the hot list including regarding 
job#45 about mapping Jeremie’s hinterland. Later this day, HOTUS job #2224 
covering an area slightly smaller inside the one Imade was created by Dale 
Kunce... As if there was no other places to bemapped in Haiti... 

So far, we created 7jobs over Haiti, I communicated about them and they are all 
onthe http://taches.francophonelibre.org frontpage, so it is not a big deal 
justto check them.

@Dale I think HOT UScreated a curriculum to raise skills to become Crisis 
activators, Iwould advise you to read it one day when you have a bit of time. 
If ever it does not mention to read andcommunicate in the hot list during an 
activation, I would suggest toadd it into the documentation. As an incorporated 
company, HOT US may have its own internaltools to organize its mapping, but the 
minimum is to communicate abit on the hot list with the OSM community, who is 
the holder of thislist (as everything with @openstreetmap.org). 
If you now create anew job covering job#45, I may try next time to create a job 
in the middle of thewater, just to see if you jump on it. 



Sincerely,



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Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

[Mikel Maron]

Could be a good idea John. Is there a GitHub issue?


Mikel

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, 5:12 PM, john whelan  
wrote:

A suggestion would be for these types of tasks disable the tasking manager from 
communicating with anything but JOSM its a bit drastic but where data quality 
matters it is a very simple but crude method of keeping the very inexperienced 
mappers away.

The other suggestion is disable Tasking Manager from permitting anything but a 
JOSM mapper from validating but that would be on all projects.

Cheerio John

On 12 October 2016 at 16:57, Dale Kunce  wrote:

Thanks everyone. I agree that the task should be marked as appropriate for 
intermediate or advanced mappers. 
I also wanted to reiterate a point that Mikel made. Having two tasking 
managers, is not the greatest for more coordination. HOT's official tasking 
manager should be the only tasking manager used. Having conflicting tasks 
introduces errors and makes coordination for actual data use difficult.
Romain,Thanks for your suggestions. My apologies on not getting back to you 
I've been very busy and traveling the last couple of days.You are correct that 
we changed the way that created tasks. There was some debate within the 
activation team as to which way to do the work. All of your comments will be 
captured in the after action for some lesson's learned.
Thanks again for everyone that is contributing to the mapping.
Dale


On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Romain Bousson  wrote:

Hello,
I noticed the same issues recently. All along the week, as the media coverage 
increased, the way that the projects and tasks were completing themselves 
changed. From large tiles completed by several users turn by turn, we came to 
big tiles directly divided into tiny tasks, being completed by only one user in 
a few minutes. The peer review process, making the quality of the work, was 
botched. 
I personnaly found many tasks checked green as "validated" by newcomers, and 
"completed" by newcomers.

For example, here is an extract from a message I sent to Dale Kunce (admin of 
many Haïti projects), where I was pointing to the fact that many newcomers did 
not see the instructions tab and so did not use the new Digital Globe imagery, 
and stayed using Bing (that was before today's post disaster imagery). But I 
unfortunately received no answer. I am not here to complain about that: I 
understand that there may be a lot of other things to do during these days.
 
I just saw 4 tiles on the #2223 - Hurricane Matthew: Grand Anse coast project 
and all were wrong according to me (but maybe I am wrong and somebody have to 
tell me):- task #53 was checked "complete" by @michaelcraven, but many 
buildings were missing.- and the 3 main tasks of ANSE D'HAINAULT town : #232, 
#233 and #13. All 3 were clearly not done using Digital Globe imagery so it 
missed a lot of things.


I think some more warnings and advices written in the instructions tabs would 
be very simple and quite effective.

Cheers,
Romain Bousson (mapping as Romainbou)

2016-10-12 19:34 GMT+02:00 Severin Menard :

The edits on hotosm.org job #2228 have started and now happens what I feared. 
There is no mention of what are the necessary skills and newbies are coming 
with a lot of enthusiasm but with almost no OSM experience. A quick analysis of 
the first 29 contributors shows that 20 of them have created their OSM account 
less than one month ago. Some did it yesterday or today. Wow. 

The result of that : obviously, crappy edits are coming, spoiling what we have 
been doing over the last few days : now we have building as nodes where shapes 
are totally visible, un-squared bad shaped buildings and the main landuse area 
is self-cutting in various places (see there). 

Nothing new under the sun : it was already the case for Haiti EarthQuake 2010. 
Quite a pity that six years after, despite the OSM tools have improved a lot, 
it remains the same. It is though quite simple to fix the most part of it: 
do-not-invite-newcomers-to-map -over-complex-crisis-contexts.

I guess some will argue that the OSM newcomers are people of good will and that 
they just want to help and that they my feel offended/discouraged. Of course 
their intentions are high and yes they may feel a bit hurt. But this is really 
a classic in humanitarian response: people with the best intentions in the 
world may not fit for it, just because they are not experienced yet. 

Mapping in OSM in crisis response is not an exciting one-shot hobby : it does 
have its learning curve and it is key to learn how to map correctly before 
being dropped over complex humanitarian contexts. This is why I mentioned three 
sets of necessary skills for the jobs I created these last days on 
http://taches.francophonelibre .org. And the beginner mappers who joined the 
job that fitted for beginners are people that already have a few months of OSM 

Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

[Mikel Maron]

I think the main point here is that skill level required on that task should be 
higher, and that the task instructions should reflect that. I’ve alerted the 
HOT activation leads for Haiti, and expect that will be looked at soon. 
On a related note I think there may be tasks overlapping the same area posted 
on http://taches.francophonelibre.org/. Having another tasking manager instance 
organizing tasks over the same areas without coordination with the HOT 
activation leads is most certainly going to cause confusion, and best to be 
avoided.
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:36 PM, Severin Menard 
<severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 

 The edits on hotosm.org job #2228 have started and now happens what I feared. 
There is no mention of what are the necessary skills and newbies are coming 
with a lot of enthusiasm but with almost no OSM experience. A quick analysis of 
the first 29 contributors shows that 20 of them have created their OSM account 
less than one month ago. Some did it yesterday or today. Wow. 

The result of that : obviously, crappy edits are coming, spoiling what we have 
been doing over the last few days : now we have building as nodes where shapes 
are totally visible, un-squared bad shaped buildings and the main landuse area 
is self-cutting in various places (see there). 

Nothing new under the sun : it was already the case for Haiti EarthQuake 2010. 
Quite a pity that six years after, despite the OSM tools have improved a lot, 
it remains the same. It is though quite simple to fix the most part of it: 
do-not-invite-newcomers-to- map-over-complex-crisis- contexts.

I guess some will argue that the OSM newcomers are people of good will and that 
they just want to help and that they my feel offended/discouraged. Of course 
their intentions are high and yes they may feel a bit hurt. But this is really 
a classic in humanitarian response: people with the best intentions in the 
world may not fit for it, just because they are not experienced yet. 

Mapping in OSM in crisis response is not an exciting one-shot hobby : it does 
have its learning curve and it is key to learn how to map correctly before 
being dropped over complex humanitarian contexts. This is why I mentioned three 
sets of necessary skills for the jobs I created these last days on 
http://taches. francophonelibre.org. And the beginner mappers who joined the 
job that fitted for beginners are people that already have a few months of OSM 
experience, not newcomers. Newcomers should be driven over non urgent fields.

If someone is not interested to learn first in not a mass media covered crisis 
context : this is not a problem, it is actually a good way to see real 
motivations. I personally prefer to get one mapper that will become a huge, 
excellent contributor, 3-4 more occasional but still producing neat data, than 
to lose 10 that would create crappy objects and just leave forever afterwards 
anyway. 

I guess the resulting need of duplicating the number of necessary edits (crappy 
ones then corrections) to get a clean data is a rather a good way to grow the 
number of total contributors and the number of total edits created through the 
# of the HOT TM instance that seems to be so important for the board of HOT US 
Inc (two current directors have contacted me for this purpose) to make 
communication and raise funds from the figures. But what is at stake here is to 
provide good baseline data for humanitarian response, not distorted metrics.

Séverin

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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Reporting Attribution Issues on Mapbox maps

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#715FFA solid !important;  padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; } 
> Webpages not hosted by Mapbox that are > using Mapbox tiles with 
> OSM-derived data would be responsible for > their own attribution, so 
> you'd need to contact them like with any other site.
Actually, our support team will work to resolve attribution issues with maps 
using Mapbox tiles anywhere. Expect that this will resolve issues more 
expediently, since we likely have contact directly to responsible people for 
the site.
I believe Serge was wondering about attribution issues with sites using tiles 
or data not from Mapbox. That would include tiles from OSM.org. I don't have a 
solution, but would like to figure it out. I do believe that the more 
coordinated and respectful we make the process, the more likely issues will be 
resolved, and stronger relationships will develop with users of OSM data.

Mikel

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, 4:49 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:

On 6/10/2016 3:03 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
> But I'm a little concerned about non-MB hosted maps. If not this URL, 
> where can we report  attribution issues related to non-hosted Mapbox 
> maps and  can you link to that other place we can report attribution 
> issues related to that other kind of customer from the same web page?

Webpages not hosted by Mapbox that are using Mapbox tiles with 
OSM-derived data would be responsible for their own attribution, so 
you'd need to contact them like with any other site. If someone isn't 
comfortable doing this or not having success, they can forward the 
information to le...@osmfoundation.org and the LWG can look into the issue.

Also, if someone wants to contact Mapbox about an issue on mapbox.com 
and doesn't want to use the webform, they could use one of the contact 
methods for their designated agent for notifications of claimed 
infringement at http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/agents/m/map-box.pdf.

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[HOT] Reporting Attribution Issues on Mapbox maps

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Hey -- we've set up a support point for attribution issues on Mapbox hosted 
maps. Let us know if you spot something, and we'll work to fix.
https://www.mapbox.com/blog/report-attribution-problems/

(Note, we won't be handling attribution issues on non-Mapbox hosted maps)
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Re: [HOT] Sri Lanka Floods Activation Close

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Truly an incredible response -- made so strong by the relationships built over 
years in Sri Lanka, facilitated by GFDRR
Mapbox's take: https://www.mapbox.com/blog/relationships-tools-response/
 -Mikel
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On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 11:50 AM, Robert Banick <rban...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 

 Hello everyone,
Greetings from Sri Lanka.
We are closing the HOT Sri Lanka Activation today. We are no longer receiving 
requests for support from the Disaster Management Centre of Sri Lanka (DMC) and 
the actual floodwaters have receded, meaning there is no more immediate crisis 
to respond to.
This was a very successful activation. We’ve received many notes of 
appreciation from our friends in the Sri Lankan government: I was thanked in 
person today by the DMC’s Research and Technology Director and asked to work 
with OSM data for assessing the strength of the DMC’s response. OSM data was 
used to evaluate the impact of the floods and communicate it to other 
government responders / the Sri Lankan press. I am working to secure the 
release of some of the resulting maps so you all can see for yourselves. I also 
expect that in the future HOT will be asked to support disaster responses in 
Sri Lanka.
There’s a lot of thanks to go around for such a successful activation. My 
co-leads Blake Girardot and Mikel Maron did a lot to make this activation work 
smoothly, as did Russell Deffner, particularly in the early crazy stages of the 
activation. The Mapbox team with Sajjad Anwar and Maning Sambale, the Kathmandu 
Living Labs team with Megha Shrestha and a bunch of mapathons (most notably 
Nimalika Fernando’s mapathon at SLIIT in Sri Lanka, *in the flood zone*) helped 
immensely to get tasks mapped and validated in the early days. Finally thanks 
to Mapbox and the US Dept. of State for providing us useful imagery during the 
response. We couldn't have done this without them.
Most importantly, HOT volunteers from around the globe did what they did best, 
mapping and validating a huge area at a really impressive pace. Thank you so 
much to every one of you who contributed.
We may continue to post tasks related to future preparedness in and around the 
flood zone as requested by the DMC. Because these will fall outside a disaster 
event we will handle them outside an activation. Please contribute when you 
can! The DMC has become quite a believer in OSM data and hopes to use it more 
for preparedness purposes too.
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Re: [HOT] Request: Suggestions for improvements to iD OSM Web Editor

[Mikel Maron]

Thanks everyone who made suggestions in this process, and previously, and to 
Bryan, Andrew, and Blake for helping triage the issues. Wanted to share where 
we've ended up. Lots in store to improve experience of iD for HOT, and OSM in 
general.
There's been lots of ideas on building editing. The biggest news is that a 
specialized building mode is nearing completion. Already deployed, building 
default tag (building=yes) has moved to the top of the list. An installation of 
iD has been installed for HOT to start working on customizing presets. Get in 
touch with the Tech WG if you want to experiment, and think about next steps. 
Other ideas which have already been released: imagery offset by parameter, easy 
switching between imagery sources, and visual reminder to save after a large 
number of edits.
And plenty more is in the works, either in development or still being scoped 
out. GitHub issues are the best way to keep track of work in progress. Look out 
for announcements on this list, and elsewhere, when new versions of iD are 
released.
Thanks again!Mikel



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On Friday, May 6, 2016 1:14 PM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM 
<blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:
 
 

 Hi Everyone!

HOT is putting together a list of possible improvements or changes to
the default OSM web editor iD that might help improve and ease typical
HOT and Missing Maps editing. As part of that process we would like to
get ideas from the greater HOT and Missing Maps community.

A few things already on the list and near the top of priorities for HOT are:

* A building tool that would make drawing squared up (and round)
buildings just a few clicks (this is close to being done already)

* Customizable presets for typical or special HOT/Missing Maps
projects (already in process, but not close to done)

* Support for switching between two imagery sources (this is close to
being done already)

But we would love to hear more ideas and feedback from you about ways
that iD could better help support HOT and Missing Maps type of mapping
projects as well as very very new OSM mappers that often work on our
projects.

Please let us know things you think iD might be able to do to help new
mappers or mappers that work on HOT / Missing Maps projects.

Also please share your feedback on things you had problems with or saw
other mappers having problems with even if you do not have a
suggestion for how to actually address those issues.

We will then take all those ideas and working with the iD Github
repository issue/feature tracking make some requests to the iD
developer. Yes, I said "developer" as in 1 person who does the bulk
(not all, but most) of the iD maintenance and development, Bryan
Housel. You can imagine he gets pulled in a lot of different
directions by the greater OSM community and he has to balance a lot of
needs and concerns. But Bryan has always been very open to suggestions
and feedback and concerns about the iD editor and that is why it is
the great tool it is.

The iD OSM Web Editor will always first and foremost be a general OSM
editor so some things will just not be possible, but we are quite sure
we can find some things that will help HOT/Missing Maps and be of use
to the greater OSM mapping community as well. Our goal is to identify
those things and help get them implemented through feedback and
testing and maybe even some code contributions if anyone is interested
in doing that.

So as I said, please, if you have a few minutes to share some thoughts
on the iD editor it would be most appreciated.

Cheers,
Blake

Blake Girardot
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Re: [HOT] OpenStreetMap Foundation is hiring an Administrative Assistant

[Mikel Maron]

Wanted to update members on the admin assistant process. We're pleased with the 
interest so far. But also want to allow just a few more applications to come 
in. We're extending the application period by 1 week until June 10.
Thank you!Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 11:53 AM, Mikel Maron <mikel.ma...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 
 

 The OpenStreetMap Foundation Board is looking for a detail oriented, part-time 
administrative assistant with a passion for open communities, who can help 
accelerate the work of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. Sharp organization and 
communication skills, and excitement for the mission of OSM will be helpful.
The role's responsibilities will be to help prepare for meetings, tracking 
action items and votes; ensure excellent communication between our volunteer 
community members, working groups and the board; handle inquiries and 
communicate on behalf of the foundation; and organize our paperwork and publish 
routine matters.
Is this you? Or know a great candidate? You have until Friday, June 3 to apply.
Full job posting at 
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Administrative_Assistant. Email 
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The OpenStreetMap Foundation Board is looking for a detail oriented, part-time 
administrative assistant with a passion for open communities, who can help 
accelerate the work of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. Sharp organization and 
communication skills, and excitement for the mission of OSM will be helpful.
The role's responsibilities will be to help prepare for meetings, tracking 
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community members, working groups and the board; handle inquiries and 
communicate on behalf of the foundation; and organize our paperwork and publish 
routine matters.
Is this you? Or know a great candidate? You have until Friday, June 3 to apply.
Full job posting at 
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Administrative_Assistant. Email 
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[HOT] HOT Annual Meeting and Elections

[Mikel Maron]

HOT Voting Members held their Annual General Meeting today [1], where we heard 
annual reports from HOT’s Executive Director, Board President, and Members 
Chair, and ratified the results of the election for Board and Members Chair.
The 2016 Board is Dale Kunce, Blake Girardot, Katja Ulbert, Jorieke Vyncke, and 
Heather Leson. The 2016 Members Chair is Mikel Maron. Congratulations all :)
Full results are posted here [2].
Thank you for everyone who participated in the election and AGM, and thank you 
to the outgoing Board and Chair for their service! [1] 
https://hotosm.org/updates/2016-03-23_hot_2016_annual_meeting_and_elections_0[2]
 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Board_Elections_2016#HOT_Elections_2016_Results.
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[HOT] new release of iD!

[Mikel Maron]

iD 1.9.3 has just been deployed to osm.org 
Highlight is an improved imagery offset editor 
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/724698730662907904
You can see a full list of what's included at 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/1210
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Re: [HOT] Issue with Harare project - 1649

[Mikel Maron]

Worth looking at how the OSM Foundation Data Working Group manages vandalism 
and disputes for ideas on how to govern rare disruptive behavior like this  
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism#Governance. -Mikel
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On Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:02 PM, Nicholas Doiron 
<ni...@codeforamerica.org> wrote:
 
 

 > can project owners currently block certain users from using the Tasking 
 > Manager? Would it make sense to do so? This feature will be necessary at 
 > some point if not already. We all believe in good intentions, and the 
 > success of Task Manager means that good intentions is a good starting point. 
 > But looking forward, it's better to have the feature ready than to find 
 > someone sabotaging Task Manager during a natural disaster or a pilot by a 
 > new partner org.This feature doesn't block users from editing OSM or 
 > reverting changesets, so I think it's ethical within the OSM world.-- Nick 
 > DoironOn Mar 10, 2016 8:37 AM, "Martin Dittus" <mar...@dekstop.de> wrote:


It seems to me there are really three separate concerns here.

1. Resuming Martin’s project. Russ addresses this.


2. OSM data quality discussions around HOT newcomers. That’s a big topic and an 
ongoing discussion, and is maybe best discussed in the places Russ mentions. 
Any such incident is probably best be referred to such a forum, however HOT 
members should be active participants in such discussions, so Martin please 
share links if you post to one of the OSM lists.

It may also be a good time to review data quality concerns that have been 
raised, and find some kind of consensus approach to dealing with them. For 
example a “best practices” doc for HOT coordinators (which may already exist). 
This will then help have such a discussion.


3. Dealing with uncooperative contributors. Without knowing the details, it 
seems to me that this individual has decided to take matters in their own hand 
and disrupt an existing process. While their intentions may come from a good 
place, their acts are hardly constructive. I'm concerned that this issue might 
not simply go away. Furthermore, it may also spill over into other projects.

As a community member I think this action was transgressive to a point where it 
warrants a slightly more formal response; for example a polite email by a HOT 
organiser with an invitation for dialogue, and a request to stop. I also don’t 
think Martin should be tasked to deal with the issue by himself; it seems he 
hardly caused the conflict, he merely happened to coordinate the project, which 
is one among many.

An idle thought — can project owners currently block certain users from using 
the Tasking Manager? Would it make sense to do so? Such a block would be easily 
bypassed, and might stoke the flames rather than stop the issue.

(Martin, you’re welcome to contact me off-list if you want support for any of 
this, however I should also say I’m not formally a HOT member.)

m.



> On 10 Mar 2016, at 15:20, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> wrote:
>
> P.S. Martin,
>
> The Activation WG does not handle 'edit conflicts' or really any conflicts as 
> we have plenty of those internally for coordinating HOT stuff.  You also 
> started with 'Dear OSM community' - just to clarify - this list is the 'HOT 
> community'; to address the larger/general OSM community you would want to 
> email t...@openstreetmap.org - and if you do need 'intervention' with another 
> mapper, that's the OSMF Data WG 
> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group)
>
> Happy Mapping! (let me know if you need help 'resetting'/invalidating all 
> tiles in 1649)
> =Russ
>
> Russell Deffner
> russell.deff...@hotosm.org
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)
> http://hotosm.org
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Russell Deffner [mailto:russell.deff...@hotosm.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:04 AM
> To: 'Martin Noblecourt'; 'hot@openstreetmap.org'
> Subject: RE: [HOT] Issue with Harare project - 1649
>
> Hi, Just a quick note - you can now 'invalidate all tiles' from the misc tab 
> as a Project Manager; so no need to re-create.
>
> Also this user http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/rab - although they have a 
> long OSM history, I wouldn't call them 'expert' as they still don't use 
> changeset comments correctly after 8 years :)
>
> =Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Noblecourt [mailto:m_nobleco...@cartong.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:51 AM
> To: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [HOT] Issue with Harare project - 1649
>
> Dear OSM community,
>
> I'd like to get your feedback about what happened on the following
> project: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1649
>
> This project have been marked as completely do

Re: [HOT] Difficulty in communicating with iD users

[Mikel Maron]

People, get a grip.
There are a lot of cool ideas that have risen and re-risen in this thread. 
Custom iD presets for HOT tasks, tighter coordination between training guides 
and software release cycles, better management of tags across OSM.
HOT excels in emergencies, but this isn't one. The label "unclassified road" 
has changed to "minor road". This is a good thing 
(https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2916) and something we can easily 
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Re: [HOT] A Fiji project for experienced mappers interested in a new damage assessment methodology

[Mikel Maron]

The OSMTM code is open source, and many instances are running around the world, 
and that's great. The instance running at http://tasks.hotosm.org/ is managed 
by HOT's activation working group. The policies are fairly flexible about 
what's posted there, and project managers are welcome to discuss and create 
projects there. What does need careful consideration are tasks created for an 
active HOT activation, and the priority given these tasks. The feasibility and 
appropriateness of the damage assessment task for Fiji hasn't yet been 
discussed at all in the AWG.
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 6:47 AM, Rod Bera <r...@goarem.org> wrote:
 
 

 Hi Mikel,

(not discussing  here the pertinence of task #1575).

I already gave my views on the OSMF list prior to your election to the
board but this episode is an illustration of what we should not see in OSM.

I wish to emphasise that OSM has nothing to do with HOT's Activation
Working Group and not OSM tool should be controlled by it.

therefore what you call OSMTM (OPENSTREETMAP Tasking manager) is not OPEN.
Therefore NOT OPENSTREETMAP.

Please stop claiming so.

... unless the Tasking Manager (re)becomes truly open. the TM was
thought as a common for OSM, and having it the thing of a smaller group
 (which decides who can propose a task and postpone/archive/veto tasks)
is a real problem.

Otherwise, facing censorship on the TM there are chances that some
dedicated mappers favour the emergence of an alternative TM (or worse,
alternative TMs), which would raise other issues (possible concurrent
tasks on the same regions, etc) unless we develop indexing mechanisms
(like cross-harvesting INSPIRE catalogues).

This issue should be discussed within OSMF to find the best way to
transfer the governance of a self claimed OSM tool (which right now it
is not) back to the OSM community.


Thanks

Rod



On 02/03/16 02:07, Mikel Maron wrote:
> Hello
> 
> This project hasn't been raised or discussed within the AWG, and raises
> a number of issues that require careful consideration. For the time
> being in Fiji, we're focusing on updating the base map only, and this
> particular OSMTM project has been archived.
> 
> Thanks
> -Mikel
> 
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:28 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
> <jguil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>    Dear All,
> 
>    Stronger cyclones are likely to become more frequent with climate
>    change. Categorie 5 cyclone Winston severely hit Fiji on Feb 20th. A
>    state of natural disaster was declared for 30 days. Ten days later, the
>    death toll is 43, at least, and more than 50,000 persons who have lost
>    their homes are still living in evacuation centers.
> 
>    Improving recovery capabilities is part of Disaster Risk Reduction
>    (DRR). Assessing the damage and obtaining accurate and actionable
>    information as quickly as possible is critical. Ziad Al Achkar, Isaac L.
>    Baker and Nathaniel A. Raymond, of the Signal Program on Human Security
>    and Technology at the Harvard Humanitarian Initiative (HHI) published
>    these last days a study that describes a new methodology to standardize
>    remote assessments of wind disaster damage, from satellite, aerial or
>    drone imagery, named the “BAR methodology”, with a foreword by Ray
>    Shirkodai, Executive Director of the Pacific Disaster Center, “Assessing
>    Wind Disaster Damage To Structures”
>    
><http://hhi.harvard.edu/publications/satellite-imagery-interpretation-guide-assessing-wind-disaster-damage-structures>
> 
>    This methodology takes into account structure categories visible in the
>    imagery, sorted in “A) Light strength structures (the most vulnerable);
>    B) Medium strength structures (moderately vulnerable); and C) Heavy
>    strength structures (usually the least vulnerable).”
> 
>    Each structure is also assigned a damage scale, which is as follows: “0
>    = no visible damage to the structure; 1 = visible partial roof damage; 2
>    = the roof has suffered significant damage or is completely off, but the
>    walls remain standing; and 3 = the walls and the roofs are down and the
>    structure integrity is completely compromised.”
> 
>    The goal of this project is to adapt the BAR methodology to the
>    OpenStreetMap framework, using also information available online from
>    social media, such as geo-localizable photos, and apply it to the town
>    of Ba, in Western Fiji, to produce detailed open geodata that will
>    hopefully be useful to the Fijian Government to manage the aftermath of
>    this disaster, and also to experiment and refine this methodology as
>    needed for future disasters.
> 
>    If you are already an exper

Re: [HOT] A Fiji project for experienced mappers interested in a new damage assessment methodology

[Mikel Maron]

Hello
This project hasn't been raised or discussed within the AWG, and raises a 
number of issues that require careful consideration. For the time being in 
Fiji, we're focusing on updating the base map only, and this particular OSMTM 
project has been archived.
Thanks-Mikel
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:28 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton 
<jguil...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 

 Dear All,

Stronger cyclones are likely to become more frequent with climate
change. Categorie 5 cyclone Winston severely hit Fiji on Feb 20th. A
state of natural disaster was declared for 30 days. Ten days later, the
death toll is 43, at least, and more than 50,000 persons who have lost
their homes are still living in evacuation centers.

Improving recovery capabilities is part of Disaster Risk Reduction
(DRR). Assessing the damage and obtaining accurate and actionable
information as quickly as possible is critical. Ziad Al Achkar, Isaac L.
Baker and Nathaniel A. Raymond, of the Signal Program on Human Security
and Technology at the Harvard Humanitarian Initiative (HHI) published
these last days a study that describes a new methodology to standardize
remote assessments of wind disaster damage, from satellite, aerial or
drone imagery, named the “BAR methodology”, with a foreword by Ray
Shirkodai, Executive Director of the Pacific Disaster Center, “Assessing
Wind Disaster Damage To Structures”
<http://hhi.harvard.edu/publications/satellite-imagery-interpretation-guide-assessing-wind-disaster-damage-structures>

This methodology takes into account structure categories visible in the
imagery, sorted in “A) Light strength structures (the most vulnerable);
B) Medium strength structures (moderately vulnerable); and C) Heavy
strength structures (usually the least vulnerable).”

Each structure is also assigned a damage scale, which is as follows: “0
= no visible damage to the structure; 1 = visible partial roof damage; 2
= the roof has suffered significant damage or is completely off, but the
walls remain standing; and 3 = the walls and the roofs are down and the
structure integrity is completely compromised.”

The goal of this project is to adapt the BAR methodology to the
OpenStreetMap framework, using also information available online from
social media, such as geo-localizable photos, and apply it to the town
of Ba, in Western Fiji, to produce detailed open geodata that will
hopefully be useful to the Fijian Government to manage the aftermath of
this disaster, and also to experiment and refine this methodology as
needed for future disasters.

If you are already an experienced OSM mapper, and interested in learning
how to contribute to this, please have a look at this project:
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1575

Read the instructions carefully, and especially the BAR study linked above.

The adaptation of this method builds on previous attempts in the HOT
community, in particular regarding the tags used. As it is new, please
know that you are really welcome to ask any question you may have, on
all the channels available, especially in case of uncertainties you may
face, if you feel that you are qualified for this project and want to
give it a try.

The same method could also be used for other areas, including where
aerial photos are available, and more generally where geo-localizable
photos from social media are available.

Thank you very much.

Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem


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[HOT] HOT Summit quick update

[Mikel Maron]

We had a great rapid kick off meeting today for organizing HOT Summit 2016. 
Here's a few rough notes of our discussion so far.
Talked about locations and format. Leading idea is something connected to SotM 
in Brussels. Another possibility is an additional event connected to ICCM in 
Manila. Want to connect with as much of the global HOT community as possible. 
Length in mind 1-2 days. Audience would be both established HOT community, and 
expansion to new folks -- volunteers, humanitarian orgs and NGOs, funders. 
Approximately 100-150 attendees. Scholarships could be really valuable, but 
takes fundraising and prioritization. 
We ended with a quick set of actions -- setting up a first website, look at 
logo and design, draft a concept note, and start researching venues -- and 
organized ourselves on Trello.
Next meeting, possible next week or the week after --- we'll assess over email. 
If you'd like to get involved, send me a note, and we can add you to the group. 
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[HOT] HOT Summit 2016

[Mikel Maron]

There's a lot of interest in holding another HOT Summit 2016. Last year's first 
Summit was excellent http://summit.hotosm.org/
Thinking is to hold the Summit in the days before or after State of the Map in 
Brussels http://2016.stateofthemap.org/.I'm on the SotM Working Group along 
with fellow HOT Member Ben Abelshausen, and there's definite interest.
Regional events like SotM US and SotM Asia, both still in the bidding phases, 
are possibly interested in having HOT gatherings.
If you'd like to start getting organized, get in touch with and we'll work out 
a time for a working group meeting.
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[HOT] Global Forest Watch Small Grants

[Mikel Maron]

Opportunity for funding forest monitoring and 
mappinghttp://blog.globalforestwatch.org/2016/01/gfw-launches-2016-small-grants-fund/
 Inspiration: Logging Roads http://loggingroads.org/ worked with Global Forest 
Watch and created data in OSM
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Re: [HOT] OSM Data Quality Assurance Curriculum Draft

[Mikel Maron]

Yantisa, this is pretty interesting. How do you see this integrating with 
courses.hotosm.org and teachosm.org?

Mikel

On Friday, January 8, 2016, 5:04 AM, Yantisa Akhadi  
wrote:

Hello all,
As discussed couple of weeks ago, HOT Indonesia currently working on OSM Data 
Quality Assurance Curriculum and Training Material. We just finished the draft 
for the curriculum and we are looking for input from you. Here is the link to 
the document.
Looking forward for your comments!
Thanks,
Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)Humanitarian OpenStreetMap TeamTel: +62 81 5787 03388  
Email: yantisa.akh...@hotosm.orghot.openstreetmap.org | openstreetmap.id
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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Mikel Maron]

Hi friends
I'm mining a few actionable nuggets from this discussion.
* Document (or link to documentation) on how the OSMTM works in the wiki, 
including structure of changeset comments.* Update guidance to encourage 
mappers to add their own insights in changeset comments* Share more the 
downstream analysis of changeset comments, like http://osmgeoweek.org/metrics* 
Make the point person for an OSMTM visible and contactable for feedback.* 
Investigate potential use of other tags in the changeset
Created a GitHub ticket for working through ideas 
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/703
Mikel
ps For the Argentinian case, has anyone asked the local community there to 
reach out? I'm sure they would be able to help them get on the right track. * 
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On Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:43 AM, Michael Reichert <naka...@gmx.net> 
wrote:
 
 

 Hi,



Am 19. November 2015 01:52:40 MEZ, schrieb john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>:
> HOT and OSM are slightly different, HOT maps on OSM but uses a simpler
> more
> standardized approach.  

HOT uses the OSM database/platform and therefore it has to adapt and follow 
OSM's rules. Nobody forces you to use OSM. Why don't you do something like 
OpenHistoricalMap and use your own database basrd on OSM software?

> HOT tends to map in areas that do not have a great deal of OSM mapping
> already in place so I don't see that it really matters if they use
> preset
> comments from the tile system.  The HOT comment gives you the task and
> tile
> number so you can look up on the tile system where it is and also what
> has
> been asked for.

A mapper should be able to get an idea what has been edited at a given 
changeset without decrypting the changeset comment using an external service 
(HOT tasking manager in this case). Who guarantees that HOT tasking manager 
will still be online in 5 or 10 years?

Best regards

Michael
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[HOT] the guide to satellite imagery

[Mikel Maron]

http://satsummit.github.io/landscape/
such a clear, but deep guide on satellite imagery. i learned a lot. ideal for 
sharing when working with imagery needs in HOT
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[HOT] Fw: [MappingDC] Amnesty International is calling to map refugee routes

[Mikel Maron]

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  On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 7:43 PM, Alex Barth <a...@mapbox.com> wrote:
   
 

 Amnesty International is calling to map refugee routes to stem the biggest 
global refugee crisis since WWII.
Specifically interesting if you're in DC - you may want to visit this event:

https://twitter.com/lxbarth/status/651905420580098048
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[HOT] Fw: UNEP Data Innovation Showcase

[Mikel Maron]

HOTtiesOpportunity to get your amazing work with environment/climate/resiliency 
data and satellite imagery into high level discussion on earth observation and 
the SDGs.-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron

  On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 1:49 AM, Stuart Gill 
stuart.g...@secondmuse.com wrote:
   
 

 Hey Mikel,
We (SecondMuse) are currently working with United Nations Environment Programme 
on their  Data Innovation Showcase  as part of the Eye On Earth Summit in Abu 
Dhabi - October. First, I thought you might be interested in this, second If 
you are willing it would be awesome if you could email or tweet any groups you 
think might be interested.
I have copied some info and a couple of ‘sample tweets’ we have been using 
below.
Really appreciate any help here,Hope all is well and thanks,Stu

TWEETSSo much data- we need you to visualize it! Translate data into graphic 
representations of natural disasters, poor air quality and sea warming 
http://bit.ly/1K9l68n #DataRevolution #EOESUMMIT15
Do you have great project ideas that bridge environmental data with solutions? 
Come spend 3 days with experts in informatics and sustainable development in 
Abu Dhabi Oct 6-8 all expenses paid http://bit.ly/EoE-Challenges 
#DataRevolution #EOESUMMIT15
MORE INFOData Visualization Challenge.  Submit a data visualization that 
interprets the social and economic effects of poor air quality, oceanic warming 
and natural disasters. One finalist will be selected to present their 
visualization at the Summit.
Citizen Science Challenge.  Submit a project that uses data to address 
biodiversity challenges in response to 3 themes: Food Waste, Forest Degradation 
and Resilient Cities. Finalists will attend the Summit in Abu Dhabi October 6 - 
8.
--Stuart Gill | secondmusemob AUS   + 61 41 3322 646mob USA   +1 646 578 
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Re: [HOT] Final request for feedback - Activation Protocol

[Mikel Maron]

RussPretty cool to see this. This document has captured a ton of knowledge in a digestible format.Look forward to seeing the graphics, that will really bring this together. There are also places where the phrasing can be tightened up a bit; sorry don't have time to edit myself, but someone with an eye for that might be a help with a quick review.Only question I have is what happens after adoption. Is there a set schedule in place to review the protocol and make updates? For instance, I'm sure some of the tools we use will evolve and change in time.Thanks again for yours and everyone's work on this, great progress for HOT.MikelAt Jul 13, 2015, 9:42:55 PM, Russell Deffner wrote:Hello HOT community,  There has been a tremendous collaboration to create the draft Activation Protocol; a great thank you to everyone who has contributed so far. On behalf of Tyler, Mhairi and myself; we welcome you to make one more review of the content this week before we ‘take-it-offline’ for print-editing (with a huge advanced thank you to Katja for helping us with that).  With that said, please be advised that all the figures/tables/etc. are my sketch-up and should not be considered final/good/etc – just a sketch of what the final product will contain.  The draft document can be found here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qefHRE3_wUyG3lMSb7NlkSDtPuQeaQXsflkxt3E3xSA or via the HOT Drive.  Thank you,=Russ  Russell Deffnerrussell.deff...@hotosm.orgHumanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)http://hotosm.org  

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Re: [HOT] Map-a-thon getting 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error

[Mikel Maron]

Nick
Yes, this is probably due to a shared IP address for that lab. This problem has 
been seen before at mapathons, but usually with much higher number of users. 
Usually, the rate-limiting will ease off after a time, so it should've been 
available again later.
The OSMF Operations team won't currently make exceptions to the rate-limiting 
policy. But they do think it should be an unusually high volume situation to 
trip the bandwidth limits. I think it's worth asking if one of them will 
investigate more closely to see if there was something unusual in the situation 
of your mapathon. Do you have the IP address for the mapathon venue?
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 On Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:45 AM, Nicholas Doiron 
ni...@codeforamerica.org wrote:
   
 

 Hi,
I'm working with The Asia Foundation to run an OpenStreetMap map-a-thon in 
Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. We have 17 teams of 3 people, mostly students and city 
planners, mapping unplanned areas of the city (ger districts)
At 3:30pm local time, we got a 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error on most teams' 
machines, so we had to end our first day early.  No one's data is lost, but we 
can't download existing data into iD, so every map area looks blank.  There was 
a risk we would add the same building many times.
Is there a way for us to re-enabling editing before tomorrow morning? And keep 
the gates open for another 48 hours or so?I'll do my part by closing a couple 
of apps (including Show Me The Way from OSM Labs) which were running at the time
Regards,Nick Doiron
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Re: [HOT] Nepal Damage Assessment

[Mikel Maron]

Chad, I think that's a really good idea. That could fit well in the HOT Tracing 
Guides. There's a lot of things we learned from experimenting with Vanuatu UAV 
imagery that would be good to get into guidance.
https://github.com/hotosm/tracing-guides/
 
http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/https://hackpad.com/Vanuatu-Damage-Assessment-mDYOP1UxnCH
 

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 On Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:25 AM, Chad Blevins cblev...@usaid.gov 
wrote:
   
 

 Are there any plans to create damage assessment guidance and basic 
instructions for volunteers?    
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If we get imagery we might try, depending on the quality of the
imagery.  From what I understand though, it is cloudy over the whole
region right now and there are even some thunderstorms, so it will
likely be a while before there even is any post disaster imagery to
consider.

For now the priority remains roads, for movement of teams into the
area (remember that aid orgs will not even be into smaller villages
yet), and soon we will start shifting to pre-disaster building
footprints to help on the ground damage estimates.

- -AndrewBuck





On 04/26/2015 08:03 AM, William Morris wrote:
 I would imagine there's no post-quake imagery available yet, but
 are there any plans for HOT to do damage assessment? We're in a
 much better position to know our shortcomings and strengths in this
 area following the Red Cross report on the Haiyan response.

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[HOT] Activation Need: Imagery Gap Analysis

[Mikel Maron]

Arch, Thanks for reporting imagery gaps. 
All, we need someone to analyse and collect gaps in imagery, in this uMap, in 
order to structure a request to imagery-coord. 
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/2015-nepal-earthquake-contributions-via-the-task-m_37675#9/27.6531/85.9982
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT_activation#Imagery_Coordination

If you can help, get in touch with me or any of the other coordinators.
THANK YOU!Mikel
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 On Sunday, April 26, 2015 3:34 AM, arch_a...@t-online.de 
arch_a...@t-online.de wrote:
   
 

 Hello Pierre,

please mention in task #1002 that Bing/Mapbox imagery has huge distortions in 
the area around Manaslu Himal. The best way of mapping in this area is to use a 
mixture of Bing, Mapbox and Landsat imagery, GPS traces and to use SRTM data to 
check if riverbanks fit the topography.

Here is a example of the mentioned distortions: 
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#16/28.3297/84.9075num=4mt0=mapnikmt1=bing-mapmt2=bing-satellitemt3=google-satellite

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[HOT] Nepal Stats: almost 800 mappers, 24000 roads, 10000 buildings

[Mikel Maron]

http://osm.townsendjennings.com/nepal/

incredible response everyone. the metrics site will keep updating and expanding 
in coverage.
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[HOT] Keep mapping Vanuatu!

[Mikel Maron]

HOT
Please keep on contributing to http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/964Completing 
this soon will be of great help in deployment of telecoms infrastructure by 
NetHope in the next few days.

Jen Chen shares...
NetHope is working in conjunction with the Emergency Telecoms Cluster and the 
Gov of Vanuatu. They are working hard to provide telecommunications that will 
connect the government office and NGO who are working tirelessly in this 
response.  They are providing VSATs, which are like small satellite dishes that 
allow people to use the internet, send email and other crucial communication 
lines.  Below is their travel itinerary and it would be AWESOME!!! for any help 
to update the map with road, airports, etc.
Deployment schedule:Tanna: Deploy Apr 3, Return Apr 4
Malakula: Deploy Apr 5, Return Apr 6Sola: Deploy Apr 7, Return Apr 8.
Tanna is currently well mapped, but Malakula 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=malakula#map=15/-16.2500/167.5000) 
and Sola 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1042050141#map=11/-13.8554/167.5383) could 
use your help.
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[HOT] Fwd: [Talk-us] This Sunday: last opportunity to submit a talk to State of the Map US

[Mikel Maron]

Get you HOT talks in

Sent from my iPhone

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 Subject: [Talk-us] This Sunday: last opportunity to submit a talk to State of 
 the Map US
 
 This Sunday is the last opportunity to submit your talk to State of the Map 
 US!
 
 Share your experience with mapping, OpenStreetMap software or your vision for 
 the project. We'd love to hear from you and have you at the conference!
 
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Re: [HOT] West Africa Ebola Activtion - UNMEER request to Enhance Routing

[Mikel Maron]

 Yes, we should discuss with developper of routing applications to see the 
best way to handle this.
Has anyone connected with developers / GIS folks who could work on routing and 
visualization? I'm going to share with rout...@openstreetmap.org
Defining a Minimum Viable Product would be helpful. There are simple solutions 
and quite complex solutions.
-Mikel
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 On Monday, March 16, 2015 3:43 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:
   
 

 Yes, we should discuss with developper of routing applications to see the best 
way to handle this.
 
Pierre 

  De : Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com
 À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; Rafael Avila Coya 
ravilac...@gmail.com; hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Lundi 16 mars 2015 15h15
 Objet : Re: [HOT] West Africa Ebola Activtion - UNMEER request to Enhance 
Routing
   
I would use the existing conditional: structure that lets you specify 
months.

It has the advantage of being accepted already and routing software 
should already be able to parse it.



On 3/16/2015 7:58 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
 Hi Rafael,

 the problem is that we would not use appropriately the tag if we record
 average speeds.

 Then, what's  about structuring this way ?
 speed:average:dryseason,
 speed:average:rainyseason

 Pierre

 
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 Hi, Pierre:

 A possibility would be to use a rejected but yet quite used
 maxspeed:practical tag [1]

 - From it, I would suggest maxspeed:practical:dryseason,
 maxspeed:practical:rainyseason

 There maybe better solutions...

 Cheers,

 Rafael.

 [1]



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   Hi all,
  
   With the rainy season arriving soon in West Africa, the UN Mission
   for Ebola Emergency Response (UNMEER) wants to enhance the routing
   algorithms to better predict the road displacement times.
  
   This morning, we had a formal request from UNMEER to collaborate on
   this project as the rainy season arrives soon. We would like to
   have your comments on the feasability and the best way for us to
   participate to such a project.
  
   There were already discussions on this recently, talking either
   about isochrone maps, WFP enhancing road conditions, usage of the
   OSRM tool.
  
   From the discussions this morning, A local drinking company would
   accept to collaborate with the drivers providing average speed
   time.
  
   UNMEER plans to use seasonnal average speed time (ie. rainy / dry
   seasons). This means that we would have to add two tags to enter
   this information into the OSM database.  The drinking company would
   take care to organize the data collection with their employes. We
   discussed about either using Fieldpapers or some tools like OSMand
   if drivers are using phones.
  
  
   To conclude, it was said in the discussion that OSMand is one of
   the best tool ever. Always interesting to have such feedbacks, and
   yes, in context of humanitarian operations in such large
   territories, these mobile tools are as valuable as in our car at
   home, and invaluable for drivers.
  
  
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Re: [HOT] Identification of Communication towers

[Mikel Maron]

We could make a quick tracing guide for these towers. Just need a few clipped 
screenshots of the imagery, and help text. 
Would put it together in something like this: 
http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/guide/kulna.htmlhttp://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/
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 On Sunday, March 15, 2015 9:03 AM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com 
wrote:
   
 

 
Hi Martin,

These are challenging to spot and hard to tag correctly without local 
knowledge I just discovered.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcommunications_tower

I usually find towers by seeing the shadow they cast, that is the big 
indicator to me.

Here are a few examples in the region:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-21.90198/166.072485

If you look very carefully at the shadow you can see the microwave 
transceiver drums in the shadow. I would guess that is what helped the 
person identify this one as a communications tower specifically.



https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-20.748846/167.262194

That one again, shows the shadow being a pretty big factor. And it also 
show a typical service road and pad. I do not know how the mapper knew 
it was a communications tower.

--

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/14.977132/120.52743

Shadow and microwave drums visible

---

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/15.011183/120.532604

Shadow and service area fenced off.

--

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/15.097711/120.611481

A nice big TV transmission tower.


I hope those help!

Cheers,
Blake



On 3/15/2015 11:37 AM, spatialbits wrote:
 Hi hotties,

 as part of tasks #944/943 (Vanuatu) mapping of Communication towers is
 requested.
 Could someone point me to an example in the imagery (e.g. lat/lon), so I
 get an idea on what to look for.

 Thanks.

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Re: [HOT] Identification of Communication towers

[Mikel Maron]

Quick first version up on Vanuata tracing guide.
http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/guide/vanuatu.html
  Just one tip so far on comms towers. Let me know what else this should cover. 
Best would be cropped screenshots and text added to this GitHub issue.
https://github.com/hotosm/tracing-guides/issues/30
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 On Sunday, March 15, 2015 9:33 AM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com 
wrote:
   
 

 Ya, that is kind of what I had in mind. It is a good question that was 
asked, I have been trying to think of some more features that could use 
some short example guides and towers are perfect for that and are needed.

Cheers,
Blake




On 3/15/2015 2:12 PM, Mikel Maron wrote:
 We could make a quick tracing guide for these towers. Just need a few
 clipped screenshots of the imagery, and help text.

 Would put it together in something like this:
 http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/guide/kulna.html
 http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/
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 wrote:




    Hi Martin,

    These are challenging to spot and hard to tag correctly without local
    knowledge I just discovered.

    http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcommunications_tower

    I usually find towers by seeing the shadow they cast, that is the big
    indicator to me.

    Here are a few examples in the region:

    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-21.90198/166.072485

    If you look very carefully at the shadow you can see the microwave
    transceiver drums in the shadow. I would guess that is what helped the
    person identify this one as a communications tower specifically.

    

    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-20.748846/167.262194

    That one again, shows the shadow being a pretty big factor. And it also
    show a typical service road and pad. I do not know how the mapper knew
    it was a communications tower.

    --

    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/14.977132/120.52743

    Shadow and microwave drums visible

    ---

    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/15.011183/120.532604

    Shadow and service area fenced off.

    --

    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/15.097711/120.611481

    A nice big TV transmission tower.


    I hope those help!

    Cheers,
    Blake



    On 3/15/2015 11:37 AM, spatialbits wrote:
       Hi hotties,
      
       as part of tasks #944/943 (Vanuatu) mapping of Communication
    towers is
       requested.
       Could someone point me to an example in the imagery (e.g.
    lat/lon), so I
       get an idea on what to look for.
      
       Thanks.
      
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Re: [HOT] West African HOT Mapping Tips

[Mikel Maron]

Tangentially, some of us have been working a system to make it easy to publish 
guides. Still in process, and no instructions. But I think this could be a 
great place to host Blake's guidelines on West Africa, as well as tips on huts.
http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/guide/kulna.html
https://github.com/hotosm/tracing-guides/
http://hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/

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 On Saturday, March 14, 2015 7:36 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com 
wrote:
   
 

 Could the link 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips
 be added to the instructions of all HOT West African projects?

I wasn't aware of it before the post on Surface mines characteristics and it 
clarified a couple of things for me.  It's certainly useful when validating to 
have a reference to point enthusiastic mappers to.

If possible could an image showing two or three small settlements of say three 
or four huts joined together with what I would normally think of as footpaths 
to show how these should be mapped and the connecting highways tagged.  I've 
noticed some variation between the mappers when validating.

Could we also have a guideline on huts?  I've seen them mapped as a single 
point and as a circle.  In JOSM its very quick to copy and paste a hut but that 
does mean slight variations in size are not mapped correctly.

The other issue would be isolated buildings, I tend to map the building rather 
than tag it landuse=residential again a guideline would be useful.

Rather than overwhelm the mapper with the idea that everything guidelined needs 
to be mapped I suggest somewhere it says perhaps in the instructions For this 
project please map the roads and settlements according to the guidelines here: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_African_HOT_Mapping_Tips;
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Re: [HOT] Conflicts of Interest

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

 In HOT US, there are precedents leading to the resignation of former
Board members Robert Soden and John Crowley (World Bank) and Mikel
Maron (Presidential
Innovation Fellow at the White House)

This is not a precedent. I resigned from the Board due to Conflict of
Issues raised by my employer in the fellow. Same situation with Robert and
John. I definitely would have continued to serve on the HOT Board if my
outside interests allowed, and we would have worked strongly. We have more
than adequate processes to manage Conflict of Interest within HOT,
especially when Board members have demonstrated real dedication to the
cause of HOT.

-Mikel

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On Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:42 AM, nicolas chavent 
nicolas.chav...@gmail.com wrote:



Hi Dale

Thanks for your email and to bring upfront the question of your vision
about the handling of conflict of interest in the Board of HOT US tied to
partnership and your call for candidates to the Board of HOT US to publish
their statements.

Speaking about conflict of interests and partnerships, here are a couple of
points


   - We need to ensure the autonomy and neutrality of HOT US vis a vis all
   actors of the humanitarian system. This may be a reason good enough to
   preclude a partner and a funding partner to serve as a Board Member of HOT
   US the way other humanitarian organizations did. This is specifically true
   when speaking of a small organization like HOT US and a large major
   humanitarian actor such as the American Red Cross (ARC).
   - In HOT US, there are precedents leading to the resignation of former
   Board members Robert Soden and John Crowley (World Bank) and Mikel
Maron (Presidential
   Innovation Fellow at the White House)
   - Since its early times, HOT US has been working through partnerships
   and it’s good that you highlighted this dimension and how it helped
   strengthening the HOT Project. Amongst numerous partners, ARC has been a
   great partner since the Summer of 2013. But some of the projects you
   mentioned like the Tasking Manager, the HOT Export would have not been
   possible with ARC only and owed a lot to Australia-Indonesia Facility for
   Disaster Risk Reduction (AIFDR) and the Office Of Transition (OTI) of
   USAID.
   - Working in partnership does not require to have staffs representing
   those partners in the Board of HOT US. As a matter of fact, there are other
   ways for partners to participate efficiently in the organization than as a
   Board member, as individuals (member or not) they can advise individually
   or through a Working Group, they can also be consulted as individuals or
   possibly as a college of experts by the Board.
   - HOT has been working so far without representatives from its partner/
   funder organizations in its Board with successes growing into a mature
   organization. The projects you mentioned are an example of this. The added
   value of a change in that matter is not clear when the risks of losses
   are/could be real on the front of the autonomy (real and perceived) vis
a vis the humanitarian and development actors and balance in managing
   partnerships.
   - Balance in partnerships is an aspect to take carefully into
   consideration when thinking about allowing representant of
partner/funderorganizations
   to serve as Board members in HOT US. Given the number of partners and the
   solid and rich relationships built over time with them, why and how
   choosing only one? How to avoid being dragged into the relationships
   between the various actors of the humanitarian and development worlds.



I appreciate your call to other candidates to publish their election
statements but this is not a requirement within HOT US in Board Election.
This is left up to the candidates to choose their own pace, timeline and
their documents : some chose their profiles, their wiki pages, their social
media account and a statement, like you and I [1].
Regardless of those choices, discussion has always happened in any HOT
Board election. This already started for this one and will continue
throughout the vote period (with 2 weeks left) for the very best of HOT US.


I look forward to continuing these discussions.

Best,
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Re: [HOT] Conflicts of Interest

[Mikel Maron]

Please note, HOT does have established Conflict of Interest policies in place. 
These were first approved by the Board in 2012 as part of the 501(3)c process, 
and discussed and reviewed most recently last year. These documents are 
viewable at 
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/3/?pli=1#folders/0Bzo5n4vXsVmed2tMVXpJZ0pGZHM

OSM US example should be helpful as well. Most all of the Directors there have 
CoI from their employment, with entities that support the OSM US organized 
State of the Map US conference and other activities. They're doing an excellent 
job of maintaining the interests of OSM US.

BestMikel 
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 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:43 PM, nicolas chavent 
nicolas.chav...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 

 Thanks for this Martjin: this would be most helpful in that context on top of 
the practices within HOT US. 

Best, 
Nicolas

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

The OSM US board has just agreed on a COI policy that was prepared by a legal 
expert. I can see if I can get you a copy if that would help?
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk wrote:

 I believe conflicts should be handled in the follow 2 basic ways.

 1. Potential conflicts should be talked about and acknowledged well
 before any actual conflicts arise.
 2. Board members should completely recuse themselves from any
 conversation. They should not listen to or be a part of the conversation
 during any activities where a conflict exist.


Yep. Those are the rules. It's quite difficult to follow if the topic about 
which you have a conflict of interest, is something coming up a lot in board 
discussions. So in your case Dale, if the board were needing to discuss ARC a 
lot, then you might have to recuse yourself a lot. That's a bit awkward but not 
impossible.

We found it very difficult in the past having HOT paid staff members on the 
board, particularly as they didn't always seem to understand and accept these 
rules. I guess it was understandable that they wanted to take strategic 
decisions about the projects and parts of the organisation which most effected 
them and their (HOT staff) work.

Can be tricky.


 As such I'll be posting my conflicts to the Board Election Wiki
 and encourage others to do the same.


I called mine a Declaration of interests and linked it off my user page 
rather than off the elections wiki (but that's partly because, I was *on* the 
board when I wrote it. Also it serves just as well as a declaration for anyone 
looking at me as a OSMF CWG member)

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Harry_Wood/Declaration_of_Interests

Maybe that's useful as a template. Direct financial interests (who pays you) is 
the most important thing for people to be aware of, but I tried to think of 
other affiliations I have which might conflict. I also noted when it was last 
updated, since this information can obviously go out of date.

Harry

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Re: [HOT] 10 Years of OSM + HOT?

[Mikel Maron]

Huh I had thought that CORS was enabled for the OSMTM api ... is that not the 
case Drazen or Pierre? * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Monday, March 9, 2015 1:36 PM, James Conkling 
james.lane.conkl...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 

 Hey Mikel et al,
Glad to see there's work being done on a TM API.  I've been trying to load the 
tasks.json file into an external app so I can monitor the progress of some HOT 
projects (the API docs suggest this should be exposed now, even though the rest 
of the API has not yet been implemented), but am running into issues with Cross 
Origin requests--requesting as jsonp hasn't worked either.  Am I barking up the 
wrong tree here, or is this something I should be able to do at this point?  
(code is here, in case anyone's interested)
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Mikel Maron mikel.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

Sam
Some additions to the OSMTM API are in staging, and hopefully will deploy soon. 
Once live, this would allow to grab data on a list of projects. 
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/wiki/API has a few details.
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Friday, March 6, 2015 1:52 PM, Sam Libby sli...@esri.com wrote:
   
 

  Hi all, wanted to share this great visualization of ten years of OSM 
edits:https://www.mapbox.com/ten-years-openstreetmap/ in case people had not 
seen it on social media.    A question  for the group – is there an available 
dataset/API in json, geojson, shapefile, etc that shows the locations of all 
historical and current HOT tasks – ideally with dates of creation? I know it’s 
availableper-task as geojson but thought it might be available as a big chunk 
as well.  I think it would be a really interesting overlay to add to the 
10-year map or other OSM visualizations – especially in W. Africa during the 
Ebola epidemic, you can clearly see in the time-based visualization where there 
were big impacts from the HOT community.    Thanks, Sam 
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Re: [HOT] HOT Tech WG Meeting 03.2015

[Mikel Maron]

Drazen
Have a schedule conflict tomorrow, so going to miss tomorrow's meeting.
I made a few notes in the agenda for tomorrow's TWG meeting, summarizing some 
of the conclusions from last weeks TM2 planning meeting (thanks again Blake for 
organizing). If I missed anything, please fill in the gaps. 
One thing I wanted to ask, is this the most complete list of homepage redesign 
ideas? 
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Ahomepage
ThanksMikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Sunday, March 8, 2015 8:28 AM, Dražen Odobašić 
dodo...@geoinfo.geof.hr wrote:
   
 

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Hi everyone,

sorry for the delayed announcement but the next Tech WG meeting is scheduled
on #hot IRC at 17:00 UTC, next Monday (09.03.2015.) [0], which is TOMORROW.

If you want to report/discuss something please update the document, the order
is not important:
https://hackpad.com/TWG-Meeting-03.2015-tentative-agenda-MvaYMiVX26D


Dražen

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Re: [HOT] 10 Years of OSM + HOT?

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Sam
Some additions to the OSMTM API are in staging, and hopefully will deploy soon. 
Once live, this would allow to grab data on a list of projects. 
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/wiki/API has a few details.
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Friday, March 6, 2015 1:52 PM, Sam Libby sli...@esri.com wrote:
   
 

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wanted to share this great visualization of ten years of OSM 
edits:https://www.mapbox.com/ten-years-openstreetmap/ in case people had not 
seen it on social media.    A question  for the group – is there an available 
dataset/API in json, geojson, shapefile, etc that shows the locations of all 
historical and current HOT tasks – ideally with dates of creation? I know it’s 
availableper-task as geojson but thought it might be available as a big chunk 
as well.  I think it would be a really interesting overlay to add to the 
10-year map or other OSM visualizations – especially in W. Africa during the 
Ebola epidemic, you can clearly see in the time-based visualization where there 
were big impacts from the HOT community.    Thanks, Sam 
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Re: [HOT] What is a hot activation?

[Mikel Maron]

Hi
There was some work a while back to put more definition around the stages of 
Activation, and differentiate from HOT related activities or projects. 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT_activation. There's lots done in the HOT 
community which doesn't go through the activation process, including the 
original Gaza effort back in 2009, which led to the formalizing of HOT.

At the Board face to face in June, we made a priority to define a HOT 
project, broadly encompassing all kinds of activities taking place in the HOT 
community, even if not an official project or activation.
In any case, I think there's more work to be done to make this clear and useful 
for us. I think the Activators Training and HOT Summit will be a great time to 
work on these.
-Mikel   * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:18 PM, Blake Girardot 
bgirar...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 

 Hi Fred,

My responses are in line below.

On 2/18/2015 10:25 AM, Frederic Moine wrote:
 What is ahot activation?

 I saw this slide presentation 16 17 on Gaza.
 I have activate this task this summer during my holiday as an OSM
 contributor. I posted the announcement on OSM lists include HOT.
 I was in direct contact with the shelter cluster responsible for the
 Middle east region, which has requested assistance for the pre buildings.

 Next time it could be somebody from an NGO, cluster or other who make a
 taks on the tasking manager.
 At the end it was not a request from UNOSAT.

 I contacted UNOSAT to know what image they were using (the July 6,
 2014). I have conducted a damage assessment with them in 2008 over gaza area
 We have digitized all buildings and the product was very useful.


 As said the head of Unosat on the HOT list it was the first time we used
 the exact same image with the same georeferencing. At the end their
 damage assessment point matched perfectly with our building.

 _The pending questions:
 _

 NB: I have no problem for HOT to communicate on GAZA, but still I have
 some pending questions:
 __

 When we know that is an Hot activiation. For gaza it wasn’t an HOT
 activation, as we didn’t decide it.

 It was just an initiative as an OSM and HOT members done in a short
 period of time.

This is a good question, I do not know the exact process for identifying 
and declaring an official activation. I think we are formalizing and 
finalizing the process for declaring an official activation and 
deciding what that means.


 Who can use this tasking manager : NGO, state, local OSM group, etc

It is my opinion that anyone who is doing mapping to help with disaster 
relief, prepare for disaster or help with economic development can use 
the official HOT Tasking Manager. But that is only _my opinion_ and we 
try to balance being open to groups running Projects in the official HOT 
Tasking manager and not making too many Projects so the official HOT 
activation and programs get lost to new mappers.

The Tasking Manager software is open source and easy to install, anyone 
can download and install it. We have step-by-step instructions for how 
to get it running on linux and we are available to help anyone get it 
running. We can also provide a virtual machine image so you can run it 
on windows or on Amazon AWS instances.

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2

We have also talked about setting up a public instance of the Tasking 
Manager software that would be a lot more accessable to groups for 
running humanitarian mapping projects of all sorts and then there would 
be no issue with anyone (within reason) running projects on our public 
Tasking Manager server.

I am very much in favor of HOT running a more public Tasking Manager for 
several reasons.


 Of course a real HOT activation can improve the
 communication/mobilization. , but according to the news at that time we
 just digitized as fast as we could.

 And at the same time, it was the second phase of the hot activation for
 Ebola.

 So how many big activation could we handle at the same time?

 Juste few question that I have in mind today : ) sorry to share this
 like that, as I don't have the time to follow all those working groups
 and I apologize for that.


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Re: [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping

[Mikel Maron]

Ahasan
I've added this project area to the HOT Bangladesh overview map at 
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/bangladesh-mapping-projects_26815#8/24.355/89.193
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 6:58 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 
wrote:
   
 

 Hi Ahasan,
As far as you lead the operation and communicate regularly about this action, 
you should have support from the HOT contributors following this email list and 
reading the various hot.openstreetmap.org Blog updates. We can help you to 
create Task Manager jobs for remote mapping and invite contributors to 
participate.

Note that their are key factors for a constant participation of remote 
contributors to these actions.  This is a technical and humanitarian community 
and we connect through internet and need to know each other, make interesting 
the volunteer participation. Communication about the objectives and the work 
done in the field is essential to motivate participants. This is also more fun 
and motivating for both the remote mappers and field contributors to build 
together such actions, discuss about methodology and progress, to feel that we 
are a global community and experimenting interesting new approaches.  A broad 
community follows these discussions and are interested to learn how we build 
these actions and experiment themselves.

Good communications can be done both from this list and with some Blog updates 
with pictures. See for example an update about Lubumbashi 
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2014-04-01_a_week_in_lubumbashi_drc

 Pierre 

  De : Ahasanul Hoque hoque.aha...@gmail.com
 À : Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com 
Cc : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; hot@openstreetmap.org 
hot@openstreetmap.org; Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com 
 Envoyé le : Mercredi 11 février 2015 9h01
 Objet : Re: [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping
   
Many thanks Pierre and Pete for your helpful suggestions. Much appreciated. We 
already started to draw the features using JOSM as much as possible. I would 
follow that methods used in Kamrangir char in last Missing Maps Project. Trying 
to collect some more GPS/androids. Lets see. 

Would I get support from HOT (as in Kamrangir Char of Missing maps Project) to 
upload all the road and major features what will be collected initially by 1/2 
GPS holder to track all possible roads and features ?

Kind regardsAhasan




On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com 
wrote:

Ahasan, great news, man... Do the volunteers not have their own android phones. 
In the final days mapping hazaribagh and Kamrangirchar, they were using osmand 
on their own devices. Also, I think there might some gps units around that 
Jorieke left the previous time she was there.In addition to the tracing, the 
technique that worked well in Kamrangirchar was to send one mapper out for the 
day on a rickshaw, making sure they go down every road to the end. We gave them 
a gps unit and a a phone and used the combination of tracks to edit the road 
network (which HOT helped add) ahead of field mapping with surveys. This worked 
well there because tracing was hard due to the density of buildings.Good luck 
and look forward to hearing how it went!PeteOn 9 Feb 2015 21:09, Pierre 
Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:

Hi Ahasan,
We will be pleased to support you for this action.
I would suggest that you first organize a remote mapping session with your 
local experienced mappers, trace the map in detail (roads + buildings) and add 
as much infos as you can. This will greatly facilitate the field work later. 
There is good Bing and Mapbox imagery available. This should facilitate tracing 
buildings an roads.

Infos such as street, locality, neighbourhood names and important 
infrastructures such as hospitals, etc. will help later people to locate them 
when doing the field work.  

We often prefer to use the JOSM editor since it is possible to work even in the 
context of bad internet connection. There is also a building plugin that 
facilitate tracing the buildings.
In the preparation of the Field work, it would help that you test your field 
work methodology, including adding the information to OSM later. While some 
people are mapping some areas, you could alternate and do some field work 
collection to test your methodology both using phones and paper. Since you only 
have 3 phones and 1 gps, it will be important to also use FieldPapers.  Phones 
and gps could be used to trace streets and compare with the map made from 
aerial imagery. There are also questionnaires available that help document the 
infrastructures.1. Phone Android applications such as OsmAnd with an offline 
map do not require access to internet   (If it was possible to have more phones 
it would help I think)
2. FieldPaper printouts where people can take notes.

regard
 Pierre 

  De : Ahasanul Hoque hoque.aha...@gmail.com
 À : Jorieke Vyncke

[HOT] HOT Summit, What's Next

[Mikel Maron]

Hi everyone
We met earlier to start organizing the HOT Summit. Thanks everyone who joined 
in person and on the phone.
Notes from the call are 
here:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wKJHE7frtrDDHmpOO67KKmkSaE8Lb4vIgTULAi0gHpM/edit#
 Top priorities are to get Scholarships process in motion; issues the Call for 
Proposals; and finish a first draft of the website.Thomas Mueller will bring 
together the group to work on Scholarships. Kate will do the same for the CfP. 
And I'll take on wrangling of the website.
If you want to help with these or any other aspect, just get in touch with us 
here on list, or the new email, sum...@hotosm.org.
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Re: [HOT] Request for help/guidance on a project to test diarrheal disease interventions in Kendua Sub-District, Bangladesh.

[Mikel Maron]

 would think we want the subdivisions reflected in OSM?
I think so, would just take a simple import.
That would be separate from defining the AOI for the work or any OSMTM project.
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[Mikel Maron]

 would think we want the subdivisions reflected in OSM?
I think so, would just take a simple import.
That would be separate from defining the AOI for the work or any OSMTM project.
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

   

  On Monday, February 2, 2015 8:56 PM, Stacey Maples stacemap...@stanford.edu 
wrote:
   
 

 Well, since we are interested in the entirely of the sub-district, I think we 
keep the original shape in the Umap, but I would think we want the subdivisions 
reflected in OSM?

In F,LT,
Stace Maples 
Geospatial Manager 
Stanford Geospatial Center 
@mapninja 
staceymaples@G+Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/I have a map of the 
United States... actual size. 
It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. 
I spent last summer folding it. 
-Steven Wright-
From: Mikel Maron mikel.ma...@gmail.com
To: Ahasanul Hoque hoque.aha...@gmail.com, Stace Maples 
stacemap...@stanford.edu
Cc: Eric Jorge Nelson eric.j.nel...@stanford.edu, Fred Moine 
frmo...@gmail.com, Kunce Dale dale.ku...@redcross.org, 
hot@openstreetmap.org, Claudia A. Engel cen...@stanford.edu
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 9:33:23 AM
Subject: Re: [HOT] Request for help/guidance on a project to test diarrheal 
disease interventions in Kendua Sub-District, Bangladesh.

Thanks Ahasanul. Let me defer to Stace on whether to update with this new 
boundary. Stace, should we keep the boundary previously shared, or update with 
this one? It should be the boundary of the actual project work. * Mikel Maron * 
+14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Monday, February 2, 2015 6:47 AM, Ahasanul Hoque 
hoque.aha...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 

 Hi Stace and Mikel,
FYI, Kendua is a sub district (upazila) of Netrokona District. Kendua also 
divided in 14 subdivision (13 unions and 1 Paurashava/municipalty). Here I have 
attached the boundaries and kmz of all for your convenience. I tried to upload 
in umap but couldnt.  Hope Mikel could do it for me.
Best regards
Ahasan
.
Ahasanul Hoque
GIS  Environmental Data Mgt Specialist
WSP, The World Bank.MSc in RS and GIS | AIT, Thailand. MSc. in Env. Science| 
KU, Bangladesh.Diploma in Disaster Mgt  Humanitarian Response | Uni of 
Hawai-USA, UNU, Keio Okayama - Japan; AIT-Thailand.Contact: 
hoque.aha...@gmail.com; ahasan...@yahoo.com | Web: ahasanulhoque.com
Skype: ahasan4u | Linkedin: http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp 


On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Mikel Maron mi...@groundtruth.in wrote:

Stace
I updated the coordination map of all Bangla projects with the boundary of 
Kendua
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/bangladesh-mapping-projects_26815#8/23.612/89.742
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:33 PM, Stacey Maples 
stacemap...@stanford.edu wrote:
   
 

 Thanks all. Here is the Umap for our pilot study area: 
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/kendua_27641#11/24.6913/90.7841, as I 
understand from Eric, patients arrive at the subdistrict medical center from 
within the Kendua District, but I wonder if there might be some spillover from 
adjacent subdistricts (also, please correct my admin boundary terminology, if 
necessary), based upon travel times. TO account for that, it might make sense 
to work on a slightly larger envelope than Kendua. 
Yes, I agree on the building footprints being secondary. Our primary objective 
is to build a map that will provide a familiar enough reference for local 
health care workers and family members to identify the home village/community 
of the patients, without being present at the location, as care will be 
primarily given outside of the home community. Obviously, roads, paths and 
probably (I am only guessing as I have never been to Bangladesh) water courses 
would be most important for reference. I have seen some HOT jobs identifying 
residential or populated areas, which might also be useful, short of building 
footprints.  In our discussions, we identified schools, places of worship, 
markets, etc... as other landmarks that might help users orient. So if we move 
to creating building footprints, those would be of primary importance. We are 
also interested in the locations of pharmacies, and clinics/hospitals and other 
healthcare points of service. 
Finally, and I know this one would require people on the ground with GPS, it 
would be incredibly useful to identify drinking water facilities/sources.
Mikel suggested establishing an OSM Bangla Skype Group to coordinate. I've just 
logged into my Skype account for the first time in years, so it is active. I 
will make sure I have a Skype client installed on all of my machines by 
tomorrow.  My Skype= stacey.maples
Again, this response is fantastic. Thanks so much.
In F,LT,
Stace Maples 
Geospatial Manager 
Stanford Geospatial Center 
@mapninja 
staceymaples@G+Skype: stacey.maplesGet GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/I 
have a map of the United States... actual size. 
It says

Re: [HOT] OSM for mitigation project

[Mikel Maron]

Fred
 And now Tdh Bangladesh would like to deploy the OSM Haiti methodology and 
Drone in Bangladesh for their mitigation project in this area of interest 
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/tdh-bangladesh- 
drr_24362#10/25.6811/89.8242
Great. Fyi, added the AOI to the coordination map for OSM projects in 
Bangladesh.http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/bangladesh-mapping-projects_26815#8/24.224/89.868

-Mikel
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
 

 On Monday, January 19, 2015 1:52 PM, Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 

 Dear all,

Terre des Hommes has conducted a DRR (disaster risk reduction) mission in 
Haitiwith OSM Haiti (they have seen the Drone + mapping party 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTiYoi33_gfeature=youtu.be and 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oou32o-jR0M ) 

And now Tdh Bangladesh would like to deploy theOSM Haiti methodology and Drone 
in Bangladesh for theirmitigation project in this area of interest 
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/tdh-bangladesh-drr_24362#10/25.6811/89.8242

What do you think?  The idea is to have the best open database to 
improvehydrological modelling  (we discussed  the methodology in this 
eventshttp://eguworkshop.deltares.nl/index.php/agenda/index

Including local knowledge about the risk, a good elevation model (height of 
thebuilding, an up to date land cover, road, etc).

For sure we will need to obtain permission from the flight regulation 
authority,http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2014/01/30/caab-baf-permission-needed-to-fly-drones
 , Any idea, possible not possible in your country.
All the best FredM OSMcontributor  
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Re: [HOT] Request for help/guidance on a project to test diarrheal disease interventions in Kendua Sub-District, Bangladesh.

[Mikel Maron]

Thanks Ahasanul. Let me defer to Stace on whether to update with this new 
boundary. Stace, should we keep the boundary previously shared, or update with 
this one? It should be the boundary of the actual project work. * Mikel Maron * 
+14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Monday, February 2, 2015 6:47 AM, Ahasanul Hoque 
hoque.aha...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 

 Hi Stace and Mikel,
FYI, Kendua is a sub district (upazila) of Netrokona District. Kendua also 
divided in 14 subdivision (13 unions and 1 Paurashava/municipalty). Here I have 
attached the boundaries and kmz of all for your convenience. I tried to upload 
in umap but couldnt.  Hope Mikel could do it for me.
Best regards
Ahasan
.
Ahasanul Hoque
GIS  Environmental Data Mgt Specialist
WSP, The World Bank.MSc in RS and GIS | AIT, Thailand. MSc. in Env. Science| 
KU, Bangladesh.Diploma in Disaster Mgt  Humanitarian Response | Uni of 
Hawai-USA, UNU, Keio Okayama - Japan; AIT-Thailand.Contact: 
hoque.aha...@gmail.com; ahasan...@yahoo.com | Web: ahasanulhoque.com
Skype: ahasan4u | Linkedin: http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp 


On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Mikel Maron mi...@groundtruth.in wrote:

Stace
I updated the coordination map of all Bangla projects with the boundary of 
Kendua
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/bangladesh-mapping-projects_26815#8/23.612/89.742
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:33 PM, Stacey Maples 
stacemap...@stanford.edu wrote:
   
 

 Thanks all. Here is the Umap for our pilot study area: 
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/kendua_27641#11/24.6913/90.7841, as I 
understand from Eric, patients arrive at the subdistrict medical center from 
within the Kendua District, but I wonder if there might be some spillover from 
adjacent subdistricts (also, please correct my admin boundary terminology, if 
necessary), based upon travel times. TO account for that, it might make sense 
to work on a slightly larger envelope than Kendua. 
Yes, I agree on the building footprints being secondary. Our primary objective 
is to build a map that will provide a familiar enough reference for local 
health care workers and family members to identify the home village/community 
of the patients, without being present at the location, as care will be 
primarily given outside of the home community. Obviously, roads, paths and 
probably (I am only guessing as I have never been to Bangladesh) water courses 
would be most important for reference. I have seen some HOT jobs identifying 
residential or populated areas, which might also be useful, short of building 
footprints.  In our discussions, we identified schools, places of worship, 
markets, etc... as other landmarks that might help users orient. So if we move 
to creating building footprints, those would be of primary importance. We are 
also interested in the locations of pharmacies, and clinics/hospitals and other 
healthcare points of service. 
Finally, and I know this one would require people on the ground with GPS, it 
would be incredibly useful to identify drinking water facilities/sources.
Mikel suggested establishing an OSM Bangla Skype Group to coordinate. I've just 
logged into my Skype account for the first time in years, so it is active. I 
will make sure I have a Skype client installed on all of my machines by 
tomorrow.  My Skype= stacey.maples
Again, this response is fantastic. Thanks so much.
In F,LT,
Stace Maples 
Geospatial Manager 
Stanford Geospatial Center 
@mapninja 
staceymaples@G+Skype: stacey.maplesGet GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/I 
have a map of the United States... actual size. 
It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. 
I spent last summer folding it. 
-Steven Wright-
From: Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com
To: Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com
Cc: Stace Maples stacemap...@stanford.edu, hot@openstreetmap.org, Eric 
Jorge Nelson eric.j.nel...@stanford.edu, Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com, 
Kunce Dale dale.ku...@redcross.org
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:05:12 AM
Subject: Re: [HOT] Request for help/guidance on a project to test diarrheal 
disease interventions in Kendua Sub-District, Bangladesh.

Hi Stace and Eric, 
 Pete is talking about the same people as I did to you before. Some of our 
Bangladesh mappers are now also on this list... But I will sent you a follow up 
mail on this. Further I like very much your idea, and would like to give you 
some input. Talking out of my experience; to trace patients, not necessarily 
all buildings are needed in the first phase. To track patients the main 
important this is to be able to locate people. So this means collecting locally 
used neighbourhood names, locally used street names, and landmarks used by the 
people. Buildings are in my view then a second step. I don't know how big the 
area is you're focused on? Maybe you can quickly point it on a Umap for us? 
Fingers crossed

Re: [HOT] Request for help/guidance on a project to test diarrheal disease interventions in Kendua Sub-District, Bangladesh.

[Mikel Maron]

Stace
I updated the coordination map of all Bangla projects with the boundary of 
Kendua
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/bangladesh-mapping-projects_26815#8/23.612/89.742
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:33 PM, Stacey Maples 
stacemap...@stanford.edu wrote:
   
 

 Thanks all. Here is the Umap for our pilot study area: 
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/kendua_27641#11/24.6913/90.7841, as I 
understand from Eric, patients arrive at the subdistrict medical center from 
within the Kendua District, but I wonder if there might be some spillover from 
adjacent subdistricts (also, please correct my admin boundary terminology, if 
necessary), based upon travel times. TO account for that, it might make sense 
to work on a slightly larger envelope than Kendua. 
Yes, I agree on the building footprints being secondary. Our primary objective 
is to build a map that will provide a familiar enough reference for local 
health care workers and family members to identify the home village/community 
of the patients, without being present at the location, as care will be 
primarily given outside of the home community. Obviously, roads, paths and 
probably (I am only guessing as I have never been to Bangladesh) water courses 
would be most important for reference. I have seen some HOT jobs identifying 
residential or populated areas, which might also be useful, short of building 
footprints.  In our discussions, we identified schools, places of worship, 
markets, etc... as other landmarks that might help users orient. So if we move 
to creating building footprints, those would be of primary importance. We are 
also interested in the locations of pharmacies, and clinics/hospitals and other 
healthcare points of service. 
Finally, and I know this one would require people on the ground with GPS, it 
would be incredibly useful to identify drinking water facilities/sources.
Mikel suggested establishing an OSM Bangla Skype Group to coordinate. I've just 
logged into my Skype account for the first time in years, so it is active. I 
will make sure I have a Skype client installed on all of my machines by 
tomorrow.  My Skype= stacey.maples
Again, this response is fantastic. Thanks so much.
In F,LT,
Stace Maples 
Geospatial Manager 
Stanford Geospatial Center 
@mapninja 
staceymaples@G+Skype: stacey.maplesGet GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/I 
have a map of the United States... actual size. 
It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. 
I spent last summer folding it. 
-Steven Wright-
From: Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com
To: Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com
Cc: Stace Maples stacemap...@stanford.edu, hot@openstreetmap.org, Eric 
Jorge Nelson eric.j.nel...@stanford.edu, Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com, 
Kunce Dale dale.ku...@redcross.org
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:05:12 AM
Subject: Re: [HOT] Request for help/guidance on a project to test diarrheal 
disease interventions in Kendua Sub-District, Bangladesh.

Hi Stace and Eric, 
 Pete is talking about the same people as I did to you before. Some of our 
Bangladesh mappers are now also on this list... But I will sent you a follow up 
mail on this. Further I like very much your idea, and would like to give you 
some input. Talking out of my experience; to trace patients, not necessarily 
all buildings are needed in the first phase. To track patients the main 
important this is to be able to locate people. So this means collecting locally 
used neighbourhood names, locally used street names, and landmarks used by the 
people. Buildings are in my view then a second step. I don't know how big the 
area is you're focused on? Maybe you can quickly point it on a Umap for us? 
Fingers crossed, for good imagery in the area of interest... Also I was 
thinking it might be good to set up an OSM Bangla Skype group to try to 
coordinate all the upcoming projects a little bit. Lastly there was also 
interest of Terre des Hommes, the American Red Cross is going to do more things 
in spring,... So we can coordinate a bit and share resources and thoughts on 
mapping in the very particular context of Bangladesh. Please let me know if you 
are interested in this.
Best greetings, 
Jorieke




2015-01-31 9:55 GMT+01:00 Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com:

Hi Stace, I have just come back from Dhaka (literally on Thursday), where we 
were working with the local OSM community to map two areas, Kamrangirchar and 
Hazaribagh, for the Missing Maps project. We worked with between 10-30 
volunteers of varying skills each day for two weeks. They are a smart and 
enthusiastic bunch and most said they planned to keep mapping anyway. They all 
have experience in using field papers and surveys and Osmand, and most have at 
least a days experience using JOSM to edit / upload.I have email addresses and 
phone numbers if you want them or you can contact them via the OpenStreetMap 
Bangladesh Facebook page.There are also a number of very

[HOT] Get together to work on HOT Summit

[Mikel Maron]

Hi HOTties
Want to help out with the HOT Summit? We're going to gather this week to start 
working on it in earnest.
A few of us will be together on Thursday, 1pm EST, at the American Red Cross in 
DC. We'll set up a line to Mumble, Skype, or a Dial In, depending what works 
best for all.
Let me know directly if you want to join. Let's make a HOT Summit!
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Re: [HOT] Request for help/guidance on a project to test diarrheal disease interventions in Kendua Sub-District, Bangladesh.

[Mikel Maron]

 Also I was thinking it might be good to set up an OSM Bangla Skype group to 
try to coordinate all the upcoming projects a little bit.  Very good idea. 
It's what we do during a crisis activation, but just as needed during ongoing 
projects with many partners.
Jorieke, I started a Skype chat with you and a few folks I know are involved in 
Bangladesh. Let's get the folks involved there, and get the channel going.
-Mikel
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 On Saturday, January 31, 2015 5:06 AM, Jorieke Vyncke 
jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 

 Hi Stace and Eric, 
 Pete is talking about the same people as I did toyou before. Some of our 
Bangladesh mappers are now also on this list... But Iwill sent you a follow up 
mail on this. Further I like very much your idea, and would liketo give you 
some input. Talking out of my experience; to trace patients,not necessarily all 
buildings are needed in the first phase. To track patientsthe main important 
this is to be able to locate people. So this meanscollecting locally used 
neighbourhood names, locally used street names, and landmarks used by the 
people. Buildings are inmy view then a second step. I don't know how big the 
area is you're focused on?Maybe you can quickly point it on a Umap for us? 
Fingers crossed, for good imagery in the area of interest... Also I was 
thinking it might be good to set up anOSM Bangla Skype group to try to 
coordinate all the upcoming projects a littlebit. Lastly there was also 
interest of Terre des Hommes, the American Red Crossis going to do more things 
in spring,... So we can coordinate a bit and shareresources and thoughts on 
mapping in the very particular context of Bangladesh.Please let me know if you 
are interested in this.
Best greetings, 
Jorieke




2015-01-31 9:55 GMT+01:00 Pete Masters pedrito1...@googlemail.com:

Hi Stace, I have just come back from Dhaka (literally on Thursday), where we 
were working with the local OSM community to map two areas, Kamrangirchar and 
Hazaribagh, for the Missing Maps project. We worked with between 10-30 
volunteers of varying skills each day for two weeks. They are a smart and 
enthusiastic bunch and most said they planned to keep mapping anyway. They all 
have experience in using field papers and surveys and Osmand, and most have at 
least a days experience using JOSM to edit / upload.I have email addresses and 
phone numbers if you want them or you can contact them via the OpenStreetMap 
Bangladesh Facebook page.There are also a number of very experienced mappers / 
OSM focused GIS people I can put you in touch with directly.Let me know what 
you think...Cheers,PeteOn 30 Jan 2015 21:38, Stacey Maples 
stacemap...@stanford.edu wrote:

All,
I'm working with a faculty member studying the efficacy of mobile app based 
interventions, who needs detailed street and building footprints for his pilot. 
He is working in the Kendua sub-district of Bangladesh, initially, and needs 
data for health workers to use to identify cholera patients homes/home village, 
pharmacies, etc... I've pasted his abstract, below. If he finds efficacy, he 
will likely expand the project to other sub-districts. We are wondering several 
things:
 First, what is the process to have a project added to the Task Manager? 
Second, do you happen to currently have mappers in this area who could work on 
this? 
Finally, we may be able to obtain gps traces from food delivery drivers to 
upload to OSM. It would be great to have a training for them if there are 
mappers in the area, or in Dhaka who would be willing to travel. Wondering who 
to contact about the possibility of that (I know bulk uploads are frowned upon 
unless coordinated with OSM). 
Thanks in advance for your time, I've pasted the abstract for the project, 
below my signature. 


In F,LT, 
Stace Maples 
Geospatial Manager 
Stanford Geospatial Center 
@mapninja 
staceymaples@G+ 
Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/ 
I have a map of the United States... actual size. 
It says, Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile. 
I spent last summer folding it. 
-Steven Wright- 


Leveraging mobile technology to improve clinical outcomes and scientific 
research of the second leading cause of childhood death: diarrheal disease 

Abstract 
Diarrheal disease is the second leading cause of death among children under 5 
years of age globally. We are specifically interested in the diarrheal disease 
cholera because of the devastating impact the disease has on at-risk 
populations and the emerging opportunities to leverage mobile technology to 
overcome fundamental clinical, epidemiologic, and scientific challenges. 
Despite effective treatments and advances in provider education, cholera case 
fatality rates remain unacceptably high. Conventional methods have been unable 
to overcome barriers to provide patients timely access to care in resource-poor 
settings. This is especially true early in outbreaks because response teams are 
slow to mobilize and cholera

Re: [HOT] Getting Introduced to the OpenStreetMap Community

[Mikel Maron]

Fantastic. Welcome Nitika. Can't wait to see what you and Pierre come up with. 
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

 On Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:19 AM, Nitika nitikaagarwa...@gmail.com 
wrote:
   
 

 Hello Everyone,
Firstly, I wish to introduce myself to the OpenStreetMap community. My name is 
Nitika currently pursuing computer engineering at Netaji Subhas Institute of 
Technology, India. My research interests lies in Algorithms, Data Structures, 
Programming Languages, Web Application development and contributing to open 
source software.
I'm glad to inform you that I have been selected for the OPW 2014 Internship to 
work on the OpenStreetMap project Improve the HOT Tasking Manager homepage 
under the guidance of mentor Pierre Giraud. 
My project is to improve the current homepage of the HOT Tasking Manager, since 
it makes other projects (jobs) such that the last / most urgent ones (that 
often are the same) hide all the rest.

Link to the Blog: http://nitika-opw2014.blogspot.in/

Blog Feed Link: http://nitika-opw2014.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default

Looking forward to a great period of coding and fun...!  Stay tuned for more 
updates!!


Best Regards,
Nitika

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Re: [HOT] Skybox for Good imagery

[Mikel Maron]

Hey
A few notes from talking this through with Josh
* Requests for SkyBox imagery would go through the usual HOT imagery 
coordination process 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT_activation#Imagery_Coordination* Use of 
SkyBox imagery for HOT activations would be coordinated through tasking manager 
projects.* The listing of all SkyBox for good requests is at 
https://mapsengine.google.com/00979750194450688595-08887688179650036554-4/mapview/?authuser=0.
 We'd go through the coordination processes above, if a HOT activation wanted 
to use existing imagery.* At the moment, there is no tile service. HOT would 
need to set up tiles from a downloaded GeoTIFF.
Hope that clears things up.
Btw, would be good to simply set up a test with one of the SkyBox for good 
GeoTIFFs, to see how it compares with Bing georeferencing and resolution.
BestMikel  
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  On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:34 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:
   
 

 These are great news for HOT Activations.
In the context of the Ebola outbreak, we have large territories to cover in 
West Africa. There are various areas not yet well covered with high-res 
imagery. With the sudden resurgence in various areas, we have to try to find 
rapidly imagery.  Imagery could be also helpful to do some prevention mapping 
in areas at risk, with limitroph regions having a spread of the epidemy. There 
are areas in east Guinea and West Ivory Coast with no high-res imagery.

We have the capacity to mount a tms server. If there are Skymap imagery 
archives, What would help us is to have access to a catalog of metadata for 
this imagery and a protocol to request for imagery.
regard   Pierre 

  De : Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz
 À : Satoshi IIDA nyamp...@gmail.com; Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net 
Cc : hot hot@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Samedi 22 novembre 2014 2h52
 Objet : Re: [HOT] Skybox for Good imagery
   
 Hi Satoshi,
 
 Yes.  My fault for delaying this but now done. Hence Josh' announcement. I am 
happy that:
 

   - The provider is aware of what we will do with their imagery and data 
derived from it.
   - The provider has given their explicit permission to include derived data 
into the OSM database.   
 
   - The proposed attribution mechanism, adding source to tags and/or change 
sets is practical, (the imagery will only be released in the context of HOT 
projects).  I have also added a new section for HOT under 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution .   
 
 
 Mike
 LWG
  


 On 22/11/2014 01:15, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
  

  Hello,
 
  As my understanding, using Skybox imagery is a task for LWG currently.
 
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-October/071318.html
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-October/071320.html
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-October/071295.html
 
  Are there any progress since the discussion?
  
 

 2014-11-22 8:43 GMT+09:00 Pat Tressel ptres...@myuw.net:
 
 Josh --
 
  
  As some of you may be aware, we recently announced the Skybox for Good 
program. 
  We know that some of this imagery can be especially useful in Crisis Response 
situations, and therefore we are explicitly authorizing usage of Skybox for 
Good imagery in any current HOT Activation, under the condition that changesets 
and/or features that are derived from Skybox for Good imagery and committed to 
OSM are attributed to Skybox.  
 
  That's fantastic news!!
 
  Ok, folks, who gets to send the formal Thank You?  I bet that's the 
communications working group.  And I also bet it's safe to infer a whole bunch 
of individual thank-yous.  ;-)
    
  
  This could, for example, include the method of attributing Skybox as the 
source, or a similar method deemed appropriate by HOT.
   
 
  We had that older thread about imagery tagging, where it came down to 
source (used since forever) and the new, automatically-added imagery_used 
tag in iD, which, it was pointed out, might not be accurate if the user 
switches imagery temporarily -- would have to see what iD does in that case.  
One thought -- maybe it would be good to add imagery_used in JOSM with the 
same behavior as iD, just so they're consistent.  We'd keep adding source, but 
imagery_used would be there as a fallback.  Task validators can also check for 
a source tag, since a task usually specifies a set of imagery.
 
   -- Pat
  
 
  
 
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[HOT] OSMGeoWeek coming up!

[Mikel Maron]

OSMGeoWeek is building steam. Join us. 14 events and counting (
http://osmgeoweek.org/events/) planned during the week November 15-22,
celebrating geography, education, and OpenStreetMap. We'll be launching
TeachOSM.

The amazing cartographers at National Geographic have invited the free and
open map of the entire world for the flagship food mapping party, on
November 21 in DC. Sign up here:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/national-geographic-geography-awareness-week-mapping-party-tickets-13995325395

Mapping tasks (http://osmgeoweek.org/projects/) and planning guides (
http://osmgeoweek.org/plan/) are being continually updated. Would be
excellent to have you involved, even in a small way! It's not too late to
organize an event in your part of the world (at a formal school, or out in
the school of life) and we'll promote on the site, and support however we
can.

-Mikel
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Re: [HOT] Skybox imagery, tilestash, geotiff, etc

[Mikel Maron]

Skybox and OSMF Licensing WG are finalizing the details on that side.

Second that a proof of concept test at this point would be useful to see.
 
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On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:35 AM, Daniel O'Connor 
daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:
 



Hi all,
So a few days ago there was a thread about Skybox for good, and explicit 
permission to use the imagery for tracing, provided attribution was done.






 Is there a TMS/WMS type URL for looking at any of it?
 Assume so. Just asked them, and they're researching if they'll advertise it. 
  There is a GeoTIFF download link in the InfoWindow for each scene. So can 
 be downloaded, and set up in TileStache or whatever easily, for a TMS. 

For those of us not in the know around how that might actually be done, can 
someone run through it to the point of proof of concept? 
I assume it's mostly http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Setting_up_TMS


HOT is welcome to make additional requests. 


Which areas would we prioritise?


From the ebola response, Freetown is nearing completion; Kayes in Mali seems 
fairly complete - what other areas would benefit from refreshed imagery that 
we've already covered; or couldn't previously cover?




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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Skybox release aerial imagery

[Mikel Maron]

Hello

I've been talking with the Google Crisis Response team, and they have confirmed:

* Imagery released under Skybox for Good can be digitized into OSM under OSM's 
license.
* The attribution requirement can be fulfilled by attributing Skybox in a given 
changeset and/or feature comment/tag. As well as noted on 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors
* While it's not a requirement, interested to start conversation about more 
robust attribution down the line, ala the dynamic attribution in Google Maps 
(something like an API to view attribution for a particular area, to integrate 
into web viewers)
* HOT is welcome to make additional requests. 

They want to know the best place to formally let OSM know the above. If the 
gist of the above sounds reasonable, I think the best place to announce would 
be on legal-talk@

While we are working on the legal details, it would also be worthwhile for us 
to test the suitability of the imagery for OSM tracing. Is the geo-referencing 
and resolution fit for our purposes?

Cheers
Mikel
 
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On Monday, October 27, 2014 5:37 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 



Hi list,
Google (through their acquisition of skybox) have released some aerial imagery 
under the Cc-by licence:
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/26/skybox-for-good/
Can someone just remind me - are we able to use this in OpenStreetMap? If yes, 
please forward to the HOT mailing list as it is of value to them.
Finally we should be very proud of what we as a community have achieved. The 
work that we, HOT and those who have already made aerial imagery available 
(bing, digital globe, etc) have achieved to date is so significant that other 
big players are following in our footsteps. This is a great day :-) 
Best,
Rob
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Re: [HOT] seeking your help on OSM data extraction tutorial

[Mikel Maron]

That's great Emir and Training Working Group!

Do you think a course covering these extraction tools, and exploring better 
workflows to keep data catalogs up to date, is close at hand?
There was a lot of interest in this when discussed among the ebola tech 
response folks.

-Mikel
 
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On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:23 AM, Emir Hartato emir.hart...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 



Hello everyone,


Based on Training Working Group Meeting on Monday Oct 27th: 
https://hackpad.com/Training-WG-Meeting-October-27-2014-xsegHTPoTyo , we are 
going to update tutorial for OSM data extraction. But before we move into 
tutorial, we are going to list all available tools over the net. If you guys 
know any other OSM extraction website (free and non-commercial service), 
please leave let us know.


This is the list we have so far: 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dBJF_wykPvFcjpWlAitcK5CNnpwcuaVAlQoE3Zu-dss/edit?usp=sharing
 


Thank you


Kind Regards,
Emir Hartato



On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Laura Camellini jeeltcr...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,
I forked the git repo in order to provide the chance to change administrative 
limits in the map (also traslated the text, but that was done in a few 
minutes), we may be able to integrate OsmAnd format and Garmin Gps also, I 
just need a bit of time to play with jekyll (I just managed the installation, 
planning to go on today but working on the scripts may take sometime).
Thanks to Pierre Béland for the tip on Osmconvert, as Simone Cortesi said 
comments on code are greatly appreciated to be able to develop the scripts in 
an internationally useful way.


Ciao,
Laura


2014-10-25 2:01 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr:

Hi Simone,


I like this OSM Data Depot with both List and map selection.


Correct me if I am wrong. I see that estrazione_bbox.pl extracts for a bbox 
using osmconvert. As I see it, it would be easy to extract providing a poly 
file corresponding to a particular administrative limit. 



I see such repositories for Activations. We already have various 
contributors providing the various pieces. But it would be great to 
integrate obf (OsmAnd format) and Garmin Gps outputs and have a more 
comprehensive data depot like I see here.



great job.



Pierre 




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À : Yantisa Akhadi yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org 
Cc : HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org; Mikel Maron 
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Envoyé le : Vendredi 24 octobre 2014 19h37
Objet : Re: [HOT] seeking your help on OSM data extraction tutorial
 

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Yantisa Akhadi
yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org wrote:
 Whoaathank you Laura, that would be great. I am not really in a hurry,
 although what Simone shared would be really beneficial to OSM communities 
 in
 any country. It would be awesome if there is translation for the 
 description
 within the source code so that we can adapt it to our local context.

let me know if you need any translation of the inline comments to the code.

next step is to add something like this to every page:
http://cf.datawrapper.de/NOc9z/1/
give every commune a fixed URL
add historical data
add info about the shape layers included in the download
show the individual map extent





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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Skybox release aerial imagery

[Mikel Maron]

 Is there a TMS/WMS type URL for looking at any of it?
 
Assume so. Just asked them, and they're researching if they'll advertise it.

There is a GeoTIFF download link in the InfoWindow for each scene. So can be 
downloaded, and set up in TileStache or whatever easily, for a TMS.

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On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:24 PM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 




Wow, really cool.

Is there a TMS/WMS type URL for looking at any of it?

I am not sure how it works, in reviewing the site it looks like they 
provide the imagery and we would find a place to host it for use in tracing.

Regards,
Blake



On 10/29/2014 7:32 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:
 Hello

 I've been talking with the Google Crisis Response team, and they have
 confirmed:

 * Imagery released under Skybox for Good can be digitized into OSM under
 OSM's license.
 * The attribution requirement can be fulfilled by attributing Skybox in
 a given changeset and/or feature comment/tag. As well as noted on
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors
 * While it's not a requirement, interested to start conversation about
 more robust attribution down the line, ala the dynamic attribution in
 Google Maps (something like an API to view attribution for a particular
 area, to integrate into web viewers)
 * HOT is welcome to make additional requests.

 They want to know the best place to formally let OSM know the above. If
 the gist of the above sounds reasonable, I think the best place to
 announce would be on legal-talk@

 While we are working on the legal details, it would also be worthwhile
 for us to test the suitability of the imagery for OSM tracing. Is the
 geo-referencing and resolution fit for our purposes?

 Cheers
 Mikel
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 On Monday, October 27, 2014 5:37 PM, Rob Nickerson
 rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:



 Hi list,
 Google (through their acquisition of skybox) have released some
 aerial imagery under the Cc-by licence:
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/26/skybox-for-good/
 Can someone just remind me - are we able to use this in
 OpenStreetMap? If yes, please forward to the HOT mailing list as it
 is of value to them.
 Finally we should be very proud of what we as a community have
 achieved. The work that we, HOT and those who have already made
 aerial imagery available (bing, digital globe, etc) have achieved to
 date is so significant that other big players are following in our
 footsteps. This is a great day :-)
 Best,
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Re: [HOT] HOT Projects issues triaging - second iteration (let's try again)

[Mikel Maron]

Unfortunately I'm going to miss this week's triage session ... but looking 
forward to the results and the next one.
 
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On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:26 PM, Kate Chapman kate.chap...@hotosm.org 
wrote:
 



Hi Drazen,


That works for me. 


Best,


-Kate


On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Dražen Odobašić dodo...@geoinfo.geof.hr 
wrote:

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can we schedule Issue triaging sometime this week?
We can try to do it on Thursday 16. October at 17:00 UTC ! [0]

Dražen


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Re: [HOT] Tasking Manager V2 and Project Managers rights

[Mikel Maron]

Hi Severin

I am interested to discuss too. I don't think this has been otherwise covered 
in depth. Isn't the Activation WG the right place?

What you suggested a couple messages back sounds good. OSMTM users needing 
Project Manager status get in touch with Administrators. Administrator gives 
instruction to new PM on the process. And then introduce new Project Managers 
to the current ones ... possibly on another email list, or through some 
messaging function in the OSMTM itself.

(To that point :) I made Patrick Choquette a project manager last week. 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2014-October/006179.html)

This does all suggest improvements to the users page on the OSMTM, which was 
flagged as ideal self contained project for a new developer to OSMTM
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/344 

 
-Mikel

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On Sunday, October 5, 2014 12:07 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 



Hi,

Seems nobody answered to this email. I would be interested to discuss about 
it, and know about the current way to add new project managers, I have 
sincerely no clue what is the process and when it has been discussed within 
the community. Sorry if I missed the thread, would be kind to provide the link 
to the documentation about this, I am regularly asked about this topic and 
cannot answer. 

Sincerely,

Severin



On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hi,

Sorry to get back very late on this discussion; I renamed the thread. 

As actually the administrator(s) do not know the potential new Project 
Managers, this will not change much the potential issues (that were people 
creating consecutive bad TM jobs, or something else?).
I propose that the Project Managers still promote new Project Managers, but 
now would briefly introduce the people they promoted to the HOT community, 
and following these people would introduce themselves to the community (and 
could take the opportunity to put this description on their OSM profile) and 
explain what areas (can be from national down to neighborhood scale) their 
future TM jobs would cover. Would be a good way to know better who does what 
and where. And if a new Project Manager spoils the TM and complicates the 
Administrators tasks, the latter will be able  to ask the promoters (easy to 
find in the email archive who they are) to teach their nominees. 
Thoughts?

Sincerely,

Severin






On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi


Yes, there were acknowledged issues with the previous permissions system. 
There are administrators, who can change user permissions; and project 
managers, who can create jobs. We should discuss how to manage this now, in 
the Activation Working Group perhaps. For the time being, contact an 
administrator (pgiraud only for the moment) to add new project managers.


-Mikel
 
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On Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:18 AM, Severin Menard 
severin.men...@gmail.com wrote:
 



Hi,

What is the new governance regarding Job creation rights? Seems the former 
admins - now project managers cannot extend the rights of job creations to 
peers they find skilled enough to make them. Were there issues in the past 
with this cooptation system?

Sincerely,

Severin




On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Marcos Oliveira 
marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com wrote:

Good job Pierre!


One question: Now that it's possible, where can we go to work on 
translating the OSM Tasking Manager?



2014-07-17 11:55 GMT+01:00 Marcos Oliveira marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com:

Good job Pierre!


One question: Where can we go to work on translating the OSM Tasking 
Manager?



2014-07-17 11:44 GMT+01:00 Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr:

Thanks Pierre


a lot of new improvements, including translation in various languages, a 
greater image, the possibility for public in general to see a task 
without being connected.


For the image link, people are forced to click to see the image license 
before they can see the image link. This even if this is a public 
license.


For the page layout, we are loosing the page layout options with html 
tag. This is an important regression, this in the middle of the Ebola 
Activation. Any rapid solution for this? As I said many times, we need 
this to better emphasize various aspects and make a better presentation.

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Re: [HOT] Mapping Africa's National Parks, Game Reserves and Nature Reserves

[Mikel Maron]

Hi John
 
I think this is an exciting initiative. It's not an urgent humanitarian 
response that is often HOT's focus, but it's probably interesting to many of us 
who work across different parts of Africa; and HOT's tools, like the Tasking 
Manager, can be useful. There are also various regional and country lists and 
forums to find other mappers interested.
 
Someone here, or myself, can get things set up on a tasking manger job. Where, 
among the several parks listed in the wiki, do you think is a good place to 
start? Have you checked for imagery coverage over the parks? 
 
And what kind of features do you think we can spot well from imagery? Some 
guidance here would be useful, as it might take a keen eye to distinguish say 
main tracks through parks vs occasional tracks. What other kinds of features 
important to wildlife and park infrastructure might we be able to spot?
 
Do you foresee any connection with people going on safari, or safari tours? 
Simply GPS tracks are helpful. Even more helpful is on the ground surveying in 
coordination with remote mapping.
 
-Mikel

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On Monday, September 29, 2014 2:11 PM, John White jwpwh...@gmail.com wrote:
  



Hi AllI am coordinating a project to map the protected areas (National Parks, 
Game Reserves, Nature Reserves etc.) in Africa. Apart from preserving 
wildlife, Africa's protected areas are an important and sustainable sources of 
foreign currency, jobs and upliftment in many countries on the continent. 
Outside of South Africa, protected areas have hardly been mapped on OSM making 
it very difficult for tourists and travel operators to navigate and review 
these areas before travelling to them.


I would like for this project 'Mapping Africa's Protected Areas' to be set-up 
on HOT so that is can receive the attention in really deserves. Is there 
anyone that is interested and can assist?


I have made a start on mapping some protected areas and tracking their 
progress: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_African_National_Parks_and_Reserves


Regards
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[HOT] Validating TM2 - providing feedback to new mappers

[Mikel Maron]

Severin

I like the ideas here. Essentially, we're talking about calculating and
recording mappers reputation, and then incorporating into handling of
validation.

How did you contribute http://hdyc.neis-one.org/ is one example of
reputation calculation. It's entirely automated. Your suggesting to add
specific, manually recorded feedback on a users specific edits. A
prerequisite would be to categorize OSMTM taks by the general kind of work
required, which could have other benefits (like standardizing instructions).

I wonder if we could have the same result, to focus validator efforts and
give feedback to mappers, by simply using the HDYC reputation calculation
(Type of Mapper). Are most cases of mistakes in HOT jobs from relatively
new mappers to OSM? Or do we also see experienced OSM-ers making mistakes
in unfamiliar terrain?

In any case, the work on the OSMTM2 API could help. We can then more easily
analyse active jobs, by querying and maybe even setting status through the
API.



Another idea I've been mulling over is microtasking validation. The idea
is to make in depth validation easier; it seems that validation is not so
popular or easy with our current tools.

Split up the validation, of say buildings over a task square, into
individual building microtasks. A contributor simply marks whether the
building was drawn correctly, or not. This should only take a few seconds,
and could involve large numbers of people in a very simple task. The
collective microtask results of a task square could then be used to guide
selective in depth validation.

-Mikel

On Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:09 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi all,

 Thinking aloud, would not be possible (actually asking tech people) to
have a tool allwing the
 following:
 - detecting changesets with hotosm hashtags and picking up the username
 - comparing the username to a list of HOTOSM contributors and stating if
it is new or not and
 already validated for a certain numbers of quality items (like drawing
buildings correctly, drawing
 roads correctly, tagging roads correctly, etc.)
 - when contributors have not been validated yet, a task is sent to a
validation team
 - one team member picks up the task, check, validate the work of the
contributor and contact
 her/him if some mistakes. A form would be great, with checkboxes for
typical errors, and if
 making a typical one, the contributor would receive in the answer link to
the Learning point (there
 are already quite a few in LearnOSM) dedicated to this error
 - once done the hotosm contributor quality status for this contributor
would be: good for such and
 such aspects, bad for such and such ones and the latter would then be
tasked in the future for
 validators as soon as this contributor would submit a new changeset

 Thoughts?

 Sincerely,

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Re: [HOT] Activation Working Group Monthly meeting on Tuesday, August 12, 2PM UTC

[Mikel Maron]

Thanks Severin. Sorry to miss this yesterday. Looking forward to catching up 
when the minutes are posted.
 
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On Saturday, August 9, 2014 5:31 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 



Hi,

A reminder about the next AWG meeting, that occurs every second Tuesday each 
month, 2 PM UTC. 

Please find here the report of the last meeting (that I would have published 
before, my apologies): 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Activation/meeting_2014-07-08


Points of actions are TORs and scheduling specific meetings on the pending 
topics.


Looking forward the chat and the decisions! 


Sincerely,

Severin

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Re: [HOT] HOT Tech WG Meeting X+14

[Mikel Maron]

 I can set these up and then other fields can be added as required.

Awesome

 In Drupal terms, the easiest will be a user profile page, because that

 can be automatically connected to anybody who writes an update, but

 several of them can also be manually added, for example as contacts for

 projects.

 We can then also use the individual Drupal contact forms which come with

 a spam filter.

 
I think it could depend a little on the requirements. The intersection of 
people posting, and members, only has partial overlap. We also need to think 
about how we want to organize project contacts (as a single group, or 
individuals), and contacts to profiled members (perhaps simply twitter, or link 
to OSM id).

-Mikel

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On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 4:37 AM, ifrik if...@ifrik.org wrote:
 



Hi,


On 05/08/14 19:49, Mikel Maron wrote:
 ... To flesh out a bit more, during the Board face to face, we
 discussed several things about HOT's structure that need better
 communication, and realized the website is the best place to focus. We
 thought to start with building a section for member profiles, and a section
 for working groups.
 
 The place to start would be to draw up simple requirements for these.
 Member profiles should have name, photo, twitter, bio, country; and should
 be easy to connect from blog posts and other parts of the site; and
 shouldn't necessarily be a Drupal user, but a content type. Working groups
 have another set of parameters to define.

I can set these up and then other fields can be added as required.

In Drupal terms, the easiest will be a user profile page, because that
can be automatically connected to anybody who writes an update, but
several of them can also be manually added, for example as contacts for
projects.

We can then also use the individual Drupal contact forms which come with
a spam filter.

Greetings
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[HOT] HOT Working Groups, Reporting Back from the HOT Board face to face

[Mikel Maron]

Greetings,

At the Board face-to-face meeting (2 weekends ago already!), our talks
repeatedly returned to the need for revitalized HOT working groups. In one
session in particular, we chose to focus on the structure and state of
Working Groups. This email shares what we learned and built at that
session, and we hope, imparts some momentum to the WGs. In short, a summary
of the state of play for the working groups, and some simple steps to get
things moving.

Jaakko put it well in his recent email to the voting members:

“Let's face it: Our community and amount of activities have grown by
whatever metric we use to measure. We are already in a situation where it's
not possible for any single person or even the board to stay on top of all
of the things that are happening. We must organize ourselves better,
delegate more, and trust that those who have stepped up to take
responsibility take care of the issues they have signed up for. I would
personally dare say that this is already needed to sustain our current
activities but it is absolutely necessary if we want HOT to continue
growing and reach its full potential.

The board sees that active working groups with clear responsibilities would
be a good way forward. We see that Working groups are also in a key role in
better engagement with the broader HOT community. And without the help of
you all (voting members and the broader community) this is not possible.”

Using our good friends, sticky notes, we started by enumerated all the
current active and quiet Working Groups; the purpose of the group and
status; one Board member who is involved; and one concrete “ask”, a doable
activity for the WG to take on. We also defined a governance framework for
Working Groups, simple guidelines for how WGs form and organize,
communicate and decide.

This spreadsheet is a literal translation of the sticky notes. As such it’s
pretty terse. I’ll explain more below.
https://docs.google.com/a/hotosm.org/spreadsheets/d/18HdMPwq_ZBBgIHDm9siLxyWxsDw6GZj2WsjbzHUHUns/edit#gid=0

We identified 8 working groups, 2 of which are active (Technical and
Activation), the rest have gone quiet, or never really got going. The
“purpose” is a one sentence description of the group, and is just meant as
a summary for the exercise; each working group needs a terms of reference
(ToR), which describes its focus in more detail. Each director was given
“responsibility” for one WG; with 8 directors (7 Board Members, plus
Executive Director), we had an elegant 1 to 1 right now. More below, but
note, responsibility simply means they take on the task to ensure Working
Groups start to meet, not necessarily lead the group.

The “Asks” are straightforward actions we felt the WG could take on at
first, to get into the practice of setting and attaining goals, and
contributing concrete results to HOT. For a few, this simply meant drawing
up the ToR, and others have more involved ideas (like training new
activators). Note, these are offered for consideration, and if a WG thinks
something else makes a good first Ask, they should go for it. The important
thing we believe for revitalization is for WGs to focus on doable actions.

Look out for announcements of Working Group meetings. I believe Kate sent
out a note about the Communications WG. The Tech and Activation groups
should be meeting at their usual time. Other groups will be announced soon.

For WG procedures, here’s the framework/guidelines we came up with:

* HOT’s Bylaws state the Board can organize committees (what we have called
working groups in practice)
* Each WG includes a representative from HOT’s Directors (a Board member or
Executive Director) that is responsible for seeing that meetings happen and
the group is functional. They do not necessarily chair the group. For quiet
groups, that may mean organizing the timing for the first meeting. We can
ask HOT’s administrative assistant for help with setting up a Doodle to
arrange for the time.
* A group should have “appointed members”, who have the expectation to do
focused work in the group. This would include some individual responsible
for chairing the group. The WG itself appoints these.
* Groups are for the most part open to participation from anyone in the HOT
community interested in the topic of the group. The idea is that appointed
members take on a greater burden of work. Any individual cannot reasonably
be an appointed member for every group, but could be part of the
discussions as they wish.
* On occasion, some groups may need to have discussions with a more limited
group of folks. For instance, the fundraising group may need to talk
privately about a particular funding opportunity and restrict the meeting
to the appointed members.
* Working groups communicate their meetings and deliberations to the
broader community in the form of minutes, blog posts, etc.
* A WG should agree on the communication tools it uses for live
communication (IRC, mumble, skype, etc), and the tools for asynchronous

[HOT] HOT Tech WG Meeting X+14

[Mikel Maron]

Thanks Drazen

I added an item to the agenda

 Website. Draw up requirements for Working Groups section, Members section

I'm going to be on a short vacation Monday, so unfortunately can't make the
meeting. To flesh out a bit more, during the Board face to face, we
discussed several things about HOT's structure that need better
communication, and realized the website is the best place to focus. We
thought to start with building a section for member profiles, and a section
for working groups.

The place to start would be to draw up simple requirements for these.
Member profiles should have name, photo, twitter, bio, country; and should
be easy to connect from blog posts and other parts of the site; and
shouldn't necessarily be a Drupal user, but a content type. Working groups
have another set of parameters to define.

From the requirements, work with clara and other Drupal developers to
implement the content types and views. Then work to fill the content. Rinse
and repeat for other parts of the site.

So hopefully this can get a bit of discussion and work at the next meeting,
and I'm happy to pick it up with whoever is interested after the meeting.

-Mikel
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[HOT] OSM Community mapping in flood prone areas in Malawi

[Mikel Maron]

Oh yes, mucho kudos to Severin for setting up the kits. Every spare minute
during the HOT Board meeting, Sev was installing Ubuntu, unpacking a box,
etc.


I'm going to head over to the Hub sometime this week to recycle all the
GPS, latpop, etc boxes!


Here's a pic of the first (?) HOT kits
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/about/hot-kits. Was amazing the first time to
see a case stamped OSM ... very direct physical presence of our work!


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[HOT] 2014 Gaza Strip Pre building on OSM

[Mikel Maron]

 For coordinating future interventions and humanitarian assistances, the
Middle East  Near Africa
 Shelter Cluster in partnership with Terre des Hommes,   decided to launch
the digitalization of
 Gaza buildings, in close relation with OpenStreetMap contributors,  based
on an imagery of the
 July 6, 2014.

Fred, thanks for organizing this. Very good we can OSM can be of use in
this crisis.

A note from HOT's history. The 2008-9 Israel-Gaza conflict is considered
the first HOT activation. We raised money to purchase imagery and worked
out the rights to digitize, in areas not covered by Yahoo imagery. Later,
JumpStart International built on our experience in the West Bank, and
worked with engineering students in Gaza to map on the ground.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Gaza

Tragic that we are not mapping for a more peaceful and prosperous time,
but at least, we can still make a humanitarian contribution through mapping.

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[HOT] White House Innovation for Disaster Response and Recovery Initiative Demo Day

[Mikel Maron]

Hey HOT

You may have seen a few shout outs on twitter from yesterday's disaster
technology event at the White House.

https://twitter.com/bensonwilder/status/494208764031926272
https://twitter.com/tomgertin/status/494208517306212353

A few event details at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/07/07/announcing-white-house-innovation-disaster-response-and-recovery-initiative-demo-day.
There was a livestream, and I've asked if there will be an archive of the
talks available.

The event brought together federal agencies, technologists, and companies
to share and network on disaster technology. It was remarkable moment to
reflect how far things have come in just a few years. The focus was US
domestic, but one presentation slot was given to Albert Gembara from USAID
Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance (OFDA). Albert chose to highlight the
effort of the HOT community during Typhoon Haiyan, and particularly, the
OpenStreetMap Tasking Manager (which OFDA has generously supported).

So just to say to everyone, your efforts in HOT are on some high level
radars. Thanks and congrats!

Mikel
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[HOT] DC Hotties, drinks at MapBox garage, Friday evening

[Mikel Maron]

DC HOT

The HOT Board is here in DC this weekend, and we'd love to see you.

We're going to gather at the MapBox garage for the TechLady Hackathon
Pre-Party. Doors open at 6:30pm. More details and rsvp at
http://techladyjuly.splashthat.com/

See you there!
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[HOT] HOT Survey for the Board Face to Face

[Mikel Maron]

Hi everyone

The Board of HOT is meeting this weekend in DC. We want to hear from you!
Please share your ideas in 4 short questions. We really appreciate it!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/12n6hvGiuq3E5-xdLf8L6eJtEhLJjoZUvcd_ZMfjezrw/viewform

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Re: [HOT] Ebola Outbreak Activation

[Mikel Maron]

 I just received an informion that follwing the migration this week to the
new Task Manager
 V2, we cannot anymore list  all the Task manager jobs for a project like
we did before .
 Then the link below will simply list all jobs. We will then take care to
have the Ebola Tasks
 at the top of the list.
 http://tasks.hotosm.org/#featured/Ebola

My understanding (Pierre Giraud can provide more details) is that this
feature is under redevelopment right now, and will be available and better
than before.

In the interim, the search function does work to filter jobs (if a little
less elegant url).
http://tasks.hotosm.org/?sort_by=prioritydirection=ascsearch=Ebola

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Re: [HOT] Tasking Manager V2 launch

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

Yes, there were acknowledged issues with the previous permissions system. There 
are administrators, who can change user permissions; and project managers, who 
can create jobs. We should discuss how to manage this now, in the Activation 
Working Group perhaps. For the time being, contact an administrator (pgiraud 
only for the moment) to add new project managers.

-Mikel
 
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On Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:18 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 



Hi,

What is the new governance regarding Job creation rights? Seems the former 
admins - now project managers cannot extend the rights of job creations to 
peers they find skilled enough to make them. Were there issues in the past 
with this cooptation system?

Sincerely,

Severin




On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Marcos Oliveira 
marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com wrote:

Good job Pierre!


One question: Now that it's possible, where can we go to work on translating 
the OSM Tasking Manager?



2014-07-17 11:55 GMT+01:00 Marcos Oliveira marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com:

Good job Pierre!


One question: Where can we go to work on translating the OSM Tasking Manager?



2014-07-17 11:44 GMT+01:00 Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr:

Thanks Pierre


a lot of new improvements, including translation in various languages, a 
greater image, the possibility for public in general to see a task without 
being connected.


For the image link, people are forced to click to see the image license 
before they can see the image link. This even if this is a public license.


For the page layout, we are loosing the page layout options with html tag. 
This is an important regression, this in the middle of the Ebola 
Activation. Any rapid solution for this? As I said many times, we need this 
to better emphasize various aspects and make a better presentation.

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-- 
Um Abraço,
Marcos Oliveira




-- 
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Re: [HOT] Tasking Manager V2 launch

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I think a good strategy here is to decide on formatted templates for jobs, and 
then in job creation/editing, provide a form to fill in. This will make it 
easier for everyone to have quality looking jobs, while also keeping jobs 
secure and attribute data simple, as markdown.
 
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On Thursday, July 17, 2014 6:48 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:
 



Thanks Pierre


a lot of new improvements, including translation in various languages, a 
greater image, the possibility for public in general to see a task without 
being connected.


For the image link, people are forced to click to see the image license before 
they can see the image link. This even if this is a public license.


For the page layout, we are loosing the page layout options with html tag. 
This is an important regression, this in the middle of the Ebola Activation. 
Any rapid solution for this? As I said many times, we need this to better 
emphasize various aspects and make a better presentation.

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[HOT] HOT Happy Hour in DC, Friday July 25

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Hi DC Hotties

The HOT Board is meeting in person over the weekend of July 25-27. After the 
first day, we'd love to raise a glass or two with anyone in the area. Pencil it 
in!
We're thinking about gathering at the Iron Horse Tap Room on 7th 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1422466837. Will send the final details 
sometime next week.

Cheers
Mikel
 
 
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[HOT] DC, Come raise a glass with the HOT Board

[Mikel Maron]

Hi DC Hotties

The HOT Board is meeting in person over the weekend of July 25-27. After the 
first day, we'd love to raise a glass or two with anyone in the area. Pencil it 
in!
We're thinking about gathering at the Iron Horse Tap Room on 7th 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1422466837. Will send the final details 
sometime next week.

Cheers
Mikel
 
 
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[HOT] Interesting read for HOT: GIS Support for the MSF Ebola response in Guinea in 2014

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

I know some of us have seen and chatted about this report, but not sure if
it was shared here. Very interesting read.

http://cartong.org/sites/cartong/files/GIS%20Support%20for%20the%20MSF%20Ebola%20Response%20in%20Guinea_Case%20Study.pdf

Just a few things I picked up on

MSF should discuss such issues with HOT in order to establish
a set of procedures and manage expectations, for example, to define the
type and frequency of feedback, the extent of public communication, as
well as when the task has been completed (deactivation).

Indeed. Attention is part of HOT's currency, and we should strike the right
balance. Looking forward to following up on this!

Apparently the GIS officer collected information back to OSM, like village
locations. Making this an easy workflow and set of tools is important.

Building level detail was not cited as particularly useful. However,
buildings were essential for the population estimate maps (awesome work
Andrew) which were cited as useful. There's also long term utility; some
interviewee commented they were surprised maps didn't already exist from
past years work in the region.

Given the usefulness of these maps, MSF should identify current areas of
operation where the organisation expects to continue to work and try to
produce base maps for these areas

That's outside the ebola response ... suggests preparation exercises with
HOT, perhaps like awesome Jorike's DRC field mission, and the MissingMaps
initiative.

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[HOT] DC happy hour with HOT

[Mikel Maron]

Hi

Not sure if my earlier messages got through (switching over to gmail from
yahoo).

The Board is meeting together in person in DC July 25-27. We want to get
together with folks in the area and raise a glass. After work on Friday
July 25. Will send out more details as we know them, but pencil it in now.

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Re: [HOT] Launching the hot mailing list in French

[Mikel Maron]

Hi everyone

Back in February 2010, I sent Mike Collinson an email to set up this list.

 At 04:47 PM 24/02/2010, Mikel Maron wrote:
 Mike
 We have a need for a list just focused on Humanitarian OSM Team ... can you 
set that up?
 hot@openstreetmap.org is what we're thinking.
 Thanks
 Mikel
 
We think this has worked out pretty well, right? :) This was after a tremendous 
amount of community activity and consideration.

The idea of hot-francophone raises a lot of questions, that deserve the time 
for us as a community to consider.

* Do we envision every language group working within HOT to set up its own 
language list? hot-indonesian? hot-philippines?
* How would local language HOT lists interact with country level lists?
* How would coordination and communication between mailing lists be managed?

* Are we in danger of having only French speakers involved in HOT activities in 
Francophone countries?
* Are there other alternatives to consider again, that we've used ok in the 
past, like the practice of including Google Translations in posts?


We should discuss these things together. No matter what your native language, 
there's something to consider here. Let's get together and talk and come to 
consensus about the best way forward. I call on someone to organize an IRC 
meeting next week, perhaps as a meeting of the Communication Working Group. 
Providing these forums for our collective discussion and decision making is 
part of what HOT does.

Which, like all Working Groups, is open to everyone in the HOT community. 
Please, we need you!

And about OSM mailing lists, from my 9 years experience in the project, I don't 
think we have a precedent to hot-francophone. All OSM mailing lists come out of 
community discussion. We're still lacking that discussion regarding HOT 
communication channels. If you look over the lists at 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo, they fall into two broad categories: 
locations and topical lists. The locations lists have sometimes sub-divided 
into finer grained locations, like oxoncotwsalds. But key to this, that came 
out of a discussion among the existing community. And there was a precedent of 
local area lists --- it makes natural sense to split up by geography. Language 
splits among topical lists is another issue, and something we need to think 
about. And important to note, OSM mailing lists are famously difficult. talk@ 
is really no model for productive discussion.

-Mikel

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On Friday, July 11, 2014 12:04 PM, Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk wrote:
 



Thanks for bringing this back on topic Mark.

Given that the HOT mailing list has been the primary communication channel for 
HOTties (volunteers/members/whoever)  it's a fairly big change introduce a 
language split like this.

So the new mailing list is here:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot-francophone/

Does help or hinder us?

Raphael said it seems like a natural move, and I guess that's why sev just 
went ahead and did it. I don't really want to heap criticism on Sev for doing 
that. And I don't think Heather wanted to do either. She was merely saying we 
(all of us) should've had a discussion

I worry that we seem to be developing some deep divides in our community 
between english and french speakers. So yeah it's a tricky one. Obviously if 
you speak french and not english... it's  natural to want a french mailing 
list to post to.

I'm kind of 50/50 on it really. Swings and roundabouts to use an awkward 
english phrase :-)

Harry



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From: Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com
To: Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com 
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014, 16:27
Subject: Re: [HOT] Launching the hot mailing list in French

Hey All, I live in an environment where there are German, Swiss, French, 
Aussie, Us, Britts, Belgian, US speakers  (to name a few). 

One of the simple things I have learnt is that to communicate, someone has to 
translate. And that is no simple task ..   I speak Aussie .and I am lucky that 
folks take the time to explain what is being said.

So, I am all for multi-lingual lists, however, how do the points that are made 
on each list get communicated to the other lists?

Its all well and dandy to have them, but at the end of the day, we need to 
share the information...

How do we do that across different lists in different languages ..

Cheers



Regards

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Re: [HOT] HOT Activation WG Meeting today

[Mikel Maron]

We are scheduled for 1400 UTC today actually. That's what we decided at the 
last meeting.
 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Activation/meeting_2014-06-10

 
-Mikel

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On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 8:33 AM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 



Just to help with the time:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=HOT+Activation+Working+Group+meetingiso=20140708T16

;)

On 08/07/14 11:53, Severin Menard wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 A short reminder that the next Activation WG meeting is scheduled on
 #hot IRC at 16:00 UTC today (7/8/2014).
 
 Summary and minutes of the last AWG can be found here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Activation/meeting_2014-06-10
 
 Since, Trello has been tested and run for at least the CAR Activation.
 Documents still need to be written (I am drafting the TORs; as it
 requires time to review, it will be for discussion rather than for
 approval during the meeting).
 
 Looking forward for the second meeting to happen.
 
 Sincerely,http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=HOT+Activation+Working+Group+meetingiso=20140708T16
 
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Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls,
.xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer,  non os abro.

Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos.

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Re: [HOT] Not That Newbie, Intro

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Welcome Enock!

Happy to hear that the Peace Corps initiatives triggered your interest and 
brought you into the fold.

Sounds like you are well on your way ... curious how you managed to find other 
users in Ghana. This can sometimes be tricky (some suggestions at 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mikelmaron/diary/18630).

Can't underestimate the value of an event to help start a community. That could 
take the form of a mapping party, and there's many of us here who can advise on 
making that a good experience. Key is to reach out through your networks ... 
there's a good overlap between the Wikipedia and OSM communities in other 
places, and I bet you could find some interest there.

-Mikel
 
 
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On Monday, June 30, 2014 6:26 PM, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 



Hello,
My name is Enock Seth Nyamador from Aflao, Ghana and I've been on the list for 
few weeks now. I call myself an Open Source addict :-)  making me always 
involved in open projects.
One of the things I do on the internet is contribute to Wikipedia. (Part of 
Wikipedians in Ghana)
I got introduced to OSM when a Peace Corps volunteer in Ghana told me about 
Peace Corps Mapdown [1]. I opened up my browser and started mapping my 
community.
I've seen there are OSMers in Ghana but we don't have any community which we 
can use to interact. After looking at other countries including Togo (Aflao is 
the major boarder town to and fro Ghana / Togo) with osm community I decided 
to start OSMGhana [2]. Which will lead to bringing community together, 
undertaking mapping projects, organising mapping events and raising more 
awareness and a lot more.
Steps I've taken is to send message via osm to mappers who have mapped places 
natives / people within country can map. I've received feedback from some and 
they're in support.
I'll be glad with any suggestions and advise from you all.
1. http://pcmapdown.herokuapp.com/
2. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ghana
Regards,
Enock
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