Re: DDCONS

2005-05-31 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Besides the time to shutdown a long running subsystem, as already mentioned,
we noticed the consolidation problem at the SMF interval, when interval
records also condensed their IO information, causing periodical heavy SMF
CPU bursts.

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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread Chiam, Susan Mee-Shia
Thank you All who have responded. Currently we already have some 8-char
userids for CICS only, thus, the thought 
of using for all contractors. As most contractors will need TSO usage,
and as it is stated in the TSO/E
manual regarding the limitation, we will put that forward. Once again,
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Re: Time Warp (was: SDB, ... )

2005-05-31 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Ted MacNEIL wrote:


I only have problems when messages cross time-zones.

When I send messages to people in the Eastern Zone, there is no problem.
 



From what I can tell, the time stamp on your messages are _totally 
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Re: SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Paul Gilmartin wrote:


It's more complicated than that.  I wrote a little assembler program.
I did not supply RECFM, LRECL, or BLKSIZE in the DCB macro.  To simulate
an "old" DCB, I did:

XCDCBDSORG,DCBDSORG

In the JCL:

   //SYSUT2  DD  SYSOUT=(,),RECFM=VB,LRECL=125

I then did:

OPEN  (SYSUT2,OUTPUT)
PUT   SYSUT2,TEXT
CLOSE SYSUT2

... with no error, and successful write to SYSOUT.  Where did
BLKSIZE come from?  Again, are the rules clearly stated somewhere?
 



I don't think SYSOUT is the best (or even a good) way to test these 
"rules". JES2/JES3 SSI allocation and OPEN routines may have been (but 
probably never were) 100% compatible with DFP (or whatever its 
predecessor was called) way back when they were written, but DFP has 
evolved a lot since then. JES hasn't.


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Re: DUMMY and BLKSIZE=0

2005-05-31 Thread DOMINGUEZ MARTIN, ANGEL LUIS
Sorry and thanks Paul

After OPEN, the BLKSIZE is O.K. For REAL datasets. SDB is O.K.

Angel luis domínguez
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> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:53:25 +0200
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> - After OPEN. The BLKSIZE obtained is the same as specified in JCL for 
> all (DUMMY, NULLFILE or REAL) or ZERO in case param where not present.
   
This result, at least, surprises me.  I'd expect that at least for real data
sets, SDB would fill in the BLKSIZE at OPEN time.



 
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Reliability of tape drive

2005-05-31 Thread victorzhang_mvscn
Hello list,
  When we thinking about the reliability of a tape drive technology,
  vendors may say how many MTBF is, how customer experience this?
  For tape drivers used today(3590 any model,3592 J1A,9840,etc), how long will 
you ever use it to work?
  For example,12 hours to backup/restore without any errors occurr.
  I'd like to hear your response.
  Is this figure enough to let us think if a tape drive is reliable
  and an enterprise class product?
  

Best regards,
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Re: SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Greg Price said:

> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:16:51 +1000
> 
> Well, here's my theory:
> 
Does this have to be done by theory and/or experiment, or is it made
clear in the documentation?

> Once a DD for a NEW disk data set has the following DCB attributes
> 1) RECFM specifying fixed-length or variable-length records,
> 2) LRECL more than zero
> 3) DSORG of PS or PO
> 4) BLKSIZE of zero
> THEN a System-Determined Blocksize (SDB) is placed into the data set
> labels during data set creation, way before OPEN happens.  In fact,
> OPEN won't happen if PGM=IEFBR14, for example.
> 
My experiments confirm this, as far as I've probed.

This introduces an unfortunate incompatibility -- the DCB OPEN exit
is thereby mostly disabled for setting BLKSIZE.  In particular, how
does IEBGENER allow BLKSIZE to be specified in the SYSUT2 DD statement,
but copied from SYSUT1 if omitted from DD?  I had imagined that it was
simply done in the DCB EXIT -- IF BLKSIZE==0 THEN Copy from SYSUT1.

> In summary, SDB gets two opportunities to run:
> 1) during allocation,
> 2) during OPEN,
> but only for TAPE or DASD when DSORG is PS or PO.
> 
It's more complicated than that.  I wrote a little assembler program.
I did not supply RECFM, LRECL, or BLKSIZE in the DCB macro.  To simulate
an "old" DCB, I did:

 XCDCBDSORG,DCBDSORG

In the JCL:

//SYSUT2  DD  SYSOUT=(,),RECFM=VB,LRECL=125

I then did:

 OPEN  (SYSUT2,OUTPUT)
 PUT   SYSUT2,TEXT
 CLOSE SYSUT2

... with no error, and successful write to SYSOUT.  Where did
BLKSIZE come from?  Again, are the rules clearly stated somewhere?

In:

Title: z/OS V1R5.0 DFSMS: Using Data Sets
Document Number: SC26-7410-03

I see:

#   3.2.3.1.2 "z/OS V1R5.0 DFSMS: Using Data Sets"

3.2.3.1.2 System-Determined Block Size

   If you do not specify a block size for the creation of a data set, the system
   attempts to determine the block size. ...

   The system determines the block size for a data set as follows:

1. OPEN calculates a block size.
[ ... ]

(Much abridged, but) There is no suggestion that SDB operates before OPEN,
but a crude experiment seems to show this is so, as you surmised.

It fails to make clear whether SDB operates before or after the DCB exit.

It fails to describe the operation of SDB for SYSOUT data sets, but an
experiment seems to show it's effective for SYSOUT.

Etc.

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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Sue,

We use 8 char IDs for:

o   CICS only users
o   Started Task IDs
o   BATCH only IDs not submitted via TSO.

We use < 8 char IDs for:

o   the above
o   TSO users

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>We have a request to look into utilising 8-chars userids. First reaction
>from the
>team was 'No', but we have to put forward our arguments. So we need to
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>of 'pros' and 'cons' on this request. Any help to formulate the list is
>appreciated.
>Thank you.
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Regards
Bruce Hewson

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Re: SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Greg Price
Bob Wright wrote:

> 
> You're welcome.  I thought that we'd bumped into something like that in 
> the course of some service aids development where we had an old DCB that 
> didn't specify DSORG, leaving that for a DCB OPEN exit to supply.  I 
> have no idea why IEBGENER would be going that route, but it certainly 
> needs to be available to OPEN before a DCB OPEN exit to implement SDB.
> 

Well, here's my theory:

Once a DD for a NEW disk data set has the following DCB attributes
1) RECFM specifying fixed-length or variable-length records,
2) LRECL more than zero
3) DSORG of PS or PO
4) BLKSIZE of zero
THEN a System-Determined Blocksize (SDB) is placed into the data set
labels during data set creation, way before OPEN happens.  In fact,
OPEN won't happen if PGM=IEFBR14, for example.

SDB will not occur unless the DSORG is known to be PS or PO.

During OPEN the DSORG _must_ be known, so SDB gets another chance to
run if BLKSIZE=0 is still true (for PS and PO).

Re IEBGENER, it seems that IEBGENER will use any valid blocksize
in the data set labels before OPEN, including an SDB set during
data set allocation, for the SYSPRINT file.

I'd guess that IEBGENER has a DCB OPEN exit on SYSPRINT which,
when it gets control, checks the BLKSIZE value in the DCB.
If it is zero then BLKSIZE is set to LRECL (ie. 121).

Logic such as this is very useful for preventing OPEN abends where
no DCB attributes are coded in the JCL for new data sets while still
allowing the BLKSIZE to be overridden by the data set labels or JCL,
especially on systems with SDB.

It may even mean that IEBGENER's SYSPRINT could be allocated to
a *real* line printer without coding any DCB parameters in the JCL,
and it would still work.  (Haven't tried this one. )

(S013-34 is the usual abend for when BLKSIZE=0 persists, IIRC.)

But it does mean that SDB at OPEN-time will never occur in this case.

(I suppose the exit could be changed to check for a TAPE or DASD file,
and leave BLKSIZE=0 if it is, but the business case for this may not
be strong.  IEBGENER, being part of DFP, knows that SDB is present.
A 3rd party utility, designed for any MVS ever, would have to check
that SDB is present.  Hang on, that's another thread.  Don't mention
the PLO instruction.  I mentioned it once, but think I got away with it.)

In summary, SDB gets two opportunities to run:
1) during allocation,
2) during OPEN,
but only for TAPE or DASD when DSORG is PS or PO.

Cheers,
Greg P.

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Re: Searching for Graphing Vendor

2005-05-31 Thread mark . van-der-eynden
On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:31 -0500, McKown, John
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What I am considering is looking a porting GNUPlot from Linux to z/OS UNIX
System Services. I just haven't had time (or inclination). Our DASD person
is really "pumped" on SASGraph, but the bloody thing is super expensive.
And he doesn't want to use SAS on a PC somewhere (for whatever reason,
maybe because it would take it outside his control?).

John, and Alan,

If you've got SAS, you can easily create CSV files that you put into Excel
to produce graphs. It's not that difficult (especialy for someone who can
handle SASGraph) to create Excel macros and automate the entire process.
(i.e. batch job on MF creates and FTPs CSV data to PC that runs Excel
Macros to create graph and Emails graphs to interested person).

You can also automate it pretty much the same if you run SAS on your PC
and not the mainframe.

Cheers,

Mark

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Re: Time Warp (was: SDB, ... )

2005-05-31 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
Have pity on the poor fellow -- he was cursed by a Blackberry.
...
It as a deliberate choice.
I only have problems when messages cross time-zones.

When I send messages to people in the Eastern Zone, there is no problem.

This was hashed around in November.
Please, let's not get started on it again!

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Re: SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
 why is the date 6/1/2005
...
Having not seen the headers, I cannot answer the question directly.

But, the Canadian BlackBerry Server (RIM) has a few bugs regarding time-stamps.


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Time Warp (was: SDB, ... )

2005-05-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Kevin Clark said:

> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:11:09 +
> 
>  why is the date 6/1/2005
> 
Have pity on the poor fellow -- he was cursed by a Blackberry.

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Re: SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Clark
 why is the date 6/1/2005

-- Original message -- 

> ... 
> I seem to recall that the 
> DSORG must be PS and known to data management in time to apply SDB 
> ... 
> 
> The DSORG can also be PO. 
> I've used it for years, that way. 
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Re: SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
I seem to recall that the 
DSORG must be PS and known to data management in time to apply SDB
...

The DSORG can also be PO.
I've used it for years, that way.


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Re: DFSMS / HSM Inquiry

2005-05-31 Thread Richards.Bob
Raymond,

There are what I would consider "hokey ways" to do it (vary volumes offline, 
issuing DRAIN commands, etc.), but I am more interested in *why* you want to do 
it. Tell us what you are trying to accomplish and perhaps we can recommend a 
solution.

Bob 

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Dear list, 

Since I can not find a dedicated list for HSM users, let me ask this
prestigious list of users - 

Is there any way that a user can influence which volume(s) HSM chooses for
migration processing - SETSYS / DEFINE statements, User HSM Exits?  I have
done due diligence in the RTFM department and it was not obvious to the
casual observer. May haps I have missed something you folks already know.

TIA 

HITACHI 
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Re: FTP.DATA

2005-05-31 Thread Roger Lowe
On Tue, 31 May 2005 13:43:32 -0700, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I'm trying to find the file FTP.DATA.
>
>More then likely it should have a name like HLQ.FTP.DATA but I can't find
it in my system the way it is presented here.
>
Howard,
  Have a look in the hlq.SEZAINST dataset and you should see at least
two members FTCDATA (for the client) and FTPSDATA (for the server) - this
is for a z/OS 1.4 environment.

Hope that helps.

Roger

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Re: DDCONS

2005-05-31 Thread Norman Hollander
Just understand that with DDCONS(NO), you will generate more SMF records for
each Task/Job.  This could cause more back-end processing for MXG or MICS or
your archival process.  But this is probably preferred.

I've been recommending NO since it first became available.  I'd rather the
backend take more time, than the shutdown process.

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We use DDCONS(NO). Helps to shutdown DB2 faster which we do only during IPL
(aprox. 5 times a year) and maintenance (aprox. 3 times a year)

For our SAP-DB2 sub-system it's a pain using DDCONS(YES)

Roland

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What is the ramifications of ddcons in SMF. We have used the default of YES.
How many shops have set ddcons to no

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How to know which codepage mainframe uses or supports?

2005-05-31 Thread Bo Xie
Hi,
  I know mainframe supports IBM-1047 codepage, but how to know wethere
it supports others(eg. IBM-047 or Japanese)? If it supports, how to
know it?

Thank you!

Best Regards,
Xie Bo

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Re: Moving a RLS enabled VSAM dataset

2005-05-31 Thread Mark Thomen
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> All,
>
> Just a hypothetical question.  Hoping someone here has the answer
> already.
> We are getting ready to enable RLS for testing purposes, and the
> Storage guy was scratching his head asking how we would move a VSAM
> Dataset opened for RLS, shared across multiple LPARS on different CEC's
> In the SAME parallel sysplex.  We already use Softek Replicator to move
> Data volume to volume under the covers, so I will follow-up with them
> too.
>
> Just really wondering how others have handled the situation.  The
> obvious
> Answer to shutdown all address spaces using the dataset would work, but
> That may not be easily possible given our environment.

The data set would have to be fully closed around the sysplex and must not
have retained or lost locks before it can be moved.  For CICS opens, the
data set can be quiesced with a single command.  You can also query if the
data set is opened any where in the plex with the IDCAMS  SHCDS command
using the LISTDS keyword.


Thanks,
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Re: FTP.DATA

2005-05-31 Thread Hal Merritt
Actually, there are two members. One is FTPSDATA and the other is
FTPCDATA. One is for the *server*, and the other is default *client*. 

Care to guess which is which? 

But: do be aware that these are just defaults. The search sequence is
modifiable. Check the content of SYS1.PROCLIB(FTPD) for server parms.
Carefully. 

Also be aware that server parms and client parameter sets are not 100%
compatible. Stay aware of the context as you read the FM's. 

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hello, 

FTP.DATA is most likely a PDS member in TCPPARMS. 

Kevin

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> Hello all, 
> 
> I'm trying to find the file FTP.DATA. 
> 
> More then likely it should have a name like HLQ.FTP.DATA but I can't
find it in 
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> 
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Re: JOB card error - it has me stumped.

2005-05-31 Thread Mark Yuhas
Problem solved.

A colleague discovered that at the end of the jobstream was a '/*EOF'
statement.  When this was removed from the jobstream, the JOB card was
recognized and executed as planned.

In the Assembler Services Guide concerning the Internal Reader, the
/*EOF statement causes the jobstream to be immediately sent to JES2
input services.  The example for multiple jobstreams used only 1 record
for the JOB card.  In the example, every JCL statement was contained on
one record.  This leads me to believe that such a jobstream submitted
via the internal reader cannot have statement overflowing to a second
record.  In this case, the JOB card was contained on 2 records.  The
continuation was not allowed.  This in turn resulted in the ILLEGAL JOB
card.

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Re: JOB card error - it has me stumped.

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Clark
Hello, 
Mark said something about "CICS" and INTRDR. did you make sure that a /* was 
done. 
Kevin

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Re: FTP.DATA

2005-05-31 Thread Mark Vitale
If you issue TSO HOMETEST, it will tell you the 
name of the FTP DATA file for your current TSO session.

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Re: DDCONS

2005-05-31 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
We use DDCONS(NO). Helps to shutdown DB2 faster which we do only during IPL 
(aprox. 5 times a year) and maintenance (aprox. 3 times a year)

For our SAP-DB2 sub-system it's a pain using DDCONS(YES)

Roland

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What is the ramifications of ddcons in SMF. We have used the default of YES. 
How many shops have set ddcons to no

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Re: FTP.DATA

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Clark
hello, 

FTP.DATA is most likely a PDS member in TCPPARMS. 

Kevin

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DFSMS / HSM Inquiry

2005-05-31 Thread Raymond Noal
Dear list, 

Since I can not find a dedicated list for HSM users, let me ask this
prestigious list of users - 

Is there any way that a user can influence which volume(s) HSM chooses for
migration processing - SETSYS / DEFINE statements, User HSM Exits?  I have
done due diligence in the RTFM department and it was not obvious to the
casual observer. May haps I have missed something you folks already know.

TIA 

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SBD4 at z/OS 1.4 IPL

2005-05-31 Thread Ben Alford
I reduced the region size of our z/OS V1.4 test system's virtual
machine and it IPLed OK @ 1 GB.  No msg IEA303W.  Given Skip's note
about apar OA06207, it isn't clear what your real problem is (yet).
Of course, YMMV with regard to region needs set in SYS1.PARMLIB and
other places.

We had been using 2500 MB for our test system to allow it to test using
memory above the bar.

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Re: FTP.DATA

2005-05-31 Thread Charles Mills
Just happen to have it in one of the reference manuals for our product:

FTP.DATA is IBM's term for the FTP parameter dataset. There is no
dataset actually named FTP.DATA. The search order for "FTP.DATA" is:
SYSFTPD DD statement in FTP server started task cataloged procedure;
jobname.FTP.DATA for server started task; /etc/ftp.data;
SYS1.TCPPARMS(FTPDATA); and finally tcpip.FTP.DATA for the server
machine TCP/IP server.

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Hello all,
 
I'm trying to find the file FTP.DATA.
 
More then likely it should have a name like HLQ.FTP.DATA but I can't
find it in my system the way it is presented here.
 
Any ideas/suggestions will be appreciated.
 
Thanks.
 


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Re: FTP.DATA

2005-05-31 Thread Raymond Noal
Howard,

Check your PROCLIB procedure for stating FTP. Ours looks like this:


   The SYSFTPD DD statement is optional.  The search order for
   FTP.DATA is:   
  
   SYSFTPD DD statement   
   jobname.FTP.DATA   
   /etc/ftp.data  
   SYS1.TCPPARMS(FTPDATA) 
   tcpip.FTP.DATA  

   

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Re: Friday question: How far back is PLO instruction supported?

2005-05-31 Thread Ed Gould
on 5/31/05 12:34 PM, Eric Chevalier at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 31 May 2005 09:46:05 -0700,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould) wrote:
> 
>> Who?
>> 
>> This is entirely on topic, IMO and worth discussion.
> 
> I believe that Mr. Smith is referring to the messages in this thread which
> reminisce about Univac, 7090s, MFT and so forth. The messages which prove
> (once again), Jaffe's Conjecture: "Any thread that goes on long enough
> will eventually deteriorate into a discussion of 60's and 70's computer
> nostalgia".
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> http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0103&L=ibm-main&O=D&F=&S=&P=321805
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> And I agree with Mr. Smith that it's time to drop that part of this
> thread.
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> Eric
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-SNIP---

Eric,

The "deteroite" is part and parcel of IBM's history. The history is
extremely relevent as it does pertain to the central portion of the original
statement (PLO) . The 7090's was not brought up (as I did the bringing up)
to unfocus the discussion . It was a background entry only. If you perceived
it OT I disagree. It was for background only and was not brought up to
distract from the central point.

The discussion is coming along fine, IMO. I like to hear about how OEM
vendors decide things myself. Each one does it differently as they are the
ones that have to deal with "old" equipment types almost everyday.

Most (all?) new instructions are carried forward in IBM land. Very few
hardware makers can make that type of claim.

IBM to its credit does a great job in doing this.

Ed

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Re: JOB card error - it has me stumped.

2005-05-31 Thread Mark Zelden
Several people wrote:

>there is a comma saying that it's expecting more job card parms.
>

I could be wrong, but I think he already knows that.

However, he thinks the problem is with the first card because that is
when he sees HASP119.  I can't say if that is the case or not if the
next card is invalid one.  I can say you will see the same HASP119
message if the next card is invalid (no // in cols 1-2 for example).

Mark, several people already asked...what does the next card look like?
Is there a way to look at the data (not being a CICS kinda guy I
don't know)?  Can you change the JCL (for at least a test region) to
a data set instead of INTRDR to look at the entire thing?

Mark
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FTP.DATA

2005-05-31 Thread Howard Rifkind
Hello all,
 
I'm trying to find the file FTP.DATA.
 
More then likely it should have a name like HLQ.FTP.DATA but I can't find it in 
my system the way it is presented here.
 
Any ideas/suggestions will be appreciated.
 
Thanks.
 


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Re: DDCONS

2005-05-31 Thread Natarajan Mohan
I have DDCONS set to "NO". This helps in shutting down DFHSM faster. 

Thanks
Natarajan

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DFSMS/HSM

2005-05-31 Thread Raymond Noal
Dear List,

Is there a programmatically way using REXX to interface with ISMF,
specifically to inquire about the current values for a storage group's
allocation and percentage of available free space?

TIA 

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Re: Userids & DYNALLOC

2005-05-31 Thread Nelliyappan Manivel, Sridhar - Sridher
(I don't see this post from list, hence, I'm resending this post). 

Thanks for your responses. Here is the information you requested. 

Datasetname, volser & DD get replaced by parameters. Basically to call
svc 99 with different text1dsn, text1vsr & text1dd each time. 

I don't see anything in the syslog, joblog (no information to paste
here). I got return code and reason codes by displaying registers (R15
and S99RSC)

Authorization has been given to owner of the job (ownerid of the job).
DYNALLOC call in the program doesn't use this 8 characterid.

Production jobs should start using this program. Production jobs
use/inherit 8 character userid as their owner (when they get submitted
by job scheduler). I can't ask the entire installation to start using 7
character userid as their owner to use this program. 


Here are two important things that you need to understand. 

1. The same 8 character userid can read the tape through normal
allocation process (without DYNALLOC). 
2. The same program works (DYNPGM) without any problem if it submitted
from a 7 character userid (owner has 7 character userid)


text parameter list

TEXTLST1 DC A(TEXT1U1)TEXT POINTER LIST 
 DC A(TEXT1U2)  
 DC A(TEXT1U3)  
 DC A(TEXT1U4)  
 DC A(TEXT1U5)  
 DC X'80'   
 DC AL3(TEXT1U6)
TEXT1U1  DC AL2(DALDDNAM),X'0001',X'0008'   
TEXT1DD  DC CL8'ZYXCBA1'
TEXT1U2  DC AL2(DALDSNAM),X'0001',X'002C'   
TEXT1DSN DC CL44''  
TEXT1U3  DC AL2(DALVLSER),X'0001',X'0006'   
TEXT1VSR DC CL6'524683' 
TEXT1U4  DC AL2(DALUNIT),X'0001',X'0005'
TEXT1UNT DC CL5'TAPEV'  
TEXT1U5  DC AL2(DALSTATS),X'0001',X'0001',X'08'   SHR IS 08 
TEXT1U6  DC AL2(DALDEFER),X''   



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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread Steve Bui
Our CICS and IDMS users have 8 chars for ids, but TSO users have less.


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Hi Listers,
We have a request to look into utilising 8-chars userids. First
reaction
from the
team was 'No', but we have to put forward our arguments. So we need to
put up a list
of 'pros' and 'cons' on this request. Any help to formulate the list
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Re: BOOKMGR PDF support

2005-05-31 Thread Jim Liebert
I'll admit to skipping that time consuming step of actually reading the
help/manuals but the part of using Acrobat files in Book Manager that I
find really frustrating is that they exist outside of any BookMgr search
facility.  I can search the Adobe files using the Acrobat search but not
the Book Manager search.

If the search would work the same regardless of whether the shelf has
pdf / boo / or any combination - that would be great.  Whatever
application kicks in when I open a specific book is neither here nor there
for me (although I would like Acrobat to drill-down the search just like
BookManager does).

The way it works today gives it that "shoe-horned-in-feature" feel.

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Re: JOB card error - it has me stumped.

2005-05-31 Thread Howard Brazee
On 31-May-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Yuhas) wrote:

> Positions 30-72:
>
> 'COMP SEARCH PARMS',
> 7CDDD4ECCDCC4DCDDE76444
> D36 4 702 51 9 3 8071 9 42DB000
>
> Positions 73-80:
>
> JOB03916
> DDCF
> 1 6 2039 16
>
>
> Please note, there is no continuation character in position 72.

But there is a comma in column 49, saying that it's expecting more job card
parms.

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FW: JOB card error - it has me stumped.

2005-05-31 Thread Raymond Noal
Mark,

You have a comma after the 'programmer name' ("COMP SEARCH PARMS", in your
case) which is indicating a continuation. Column 72 has nothing to do with
indicating a continuation in your example. Using Col. 72 to indicate
continuation was the "old" format for JCL. Now, if you end the text in a JCL
statement with a comma, it implies continuation.

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BOOKMGR PDF support

2005-05-31 Thread Gibbons, Mark
I wanted to hang the PDF documentation for products off of my mainframe website 
and didn't want to recreate a method of organizing the books. I opened a PMR, 
mostly hoping for a simpler method to move a PDF manual not associated with a 
book manager format book to the Book manager bookshelves. Level 2 came back 
with:


To create an extended shelf with documents which only exist as  
PDFs requires that the meta data from the PDF is in the catalog.
With LibraryServer 3.0 this cannot be extracted directly from the   
pdf (this functionality should be available with release 3.1).  
.   
The following circumvention can be used,
On PC running Windows & with SoftCopyReader:
- ftp the PDFs to PC running Windows using BINARY   
- Create an extended shelf using Create Shelf in SoftCopyReader.
  This will include assigning document id, Title and timestamp  
- ftp the .xks file to zOS HFS shelf directory (BINARY) 
  ie directory specified in LibraryServer administration panel  
 "Enter directories for shelves: "  
On zOS system:  
- Ensure that PDFs have read permissions for all
- Rebuild catalog which will copy metadata from xks into catalog.   
- Create/modify the required extended shelf 
- Add document to an extended shelf will now lists all cataloged
  documents for selection   
- rebuild catalog 

I tried the above, it works. The procedure is also the one documented in the 
manuals.
Softcopyreader has a feature called Shelf Organizer that is used to create 
Extended shelves.  The user must enter the title and id number of the manual.  
I think it is painful to open  hundreds of pdf files to extract the titles.  
The file names and document id numbers are also restricted to bookmanager 
format.  Once the data is entered however, the Softcopy Librarian works well 
for moving the shelf and books to MVS.  I used/upgraded to Softcopy Reader 3.5, 
I can't tell when the support for creating extended shelves was introduced.

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>Date:Fri, 27 May 2005 10:48:45 -0700
>From:"Gibbons, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: BOOKMGR PDF support
>
>The topic of managing PDF manuals with bookmgr library server came up a few 
>days and it all sounded easy. I'm trying to add >a single PDF manual to the 
>bookmgr library server.  Note the book is not packaged as part of an extended 
>bookshelf, yet.
>I've tried a couple of methods as suggested in Getting Started manual, they 
>don't seem to work.  Has anyone figured out a
>way
>to add the book and then add the book to an extended bookshelf?  Would you be 
>willing to share the procedure?  

 
Date:Fri, 27 May 2005 11:41:35 -0700
From:"Edward E. Jaffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: BOOKMGR PDF support

>

I have yet to build an extended bookshelf. However, I have discovered 
that "normal" bookshelves seem to work just fine. If both BOO and PDF 
documents are in the same directory -- or, when using traditional MVS 
data sets, both data sets are identically named except for the last 
qualifier -- the PDF icons appear *automatically* in the bookshelf 
display, just as they do on IBM's web site. 

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Re: Userids & DYNALLOC

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Woren
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:25:41PM -0400, Nelliyappan Manivel, Sridhar - 
Sridher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I'm struggling with a mysterious return & reason code when DYNALLOC is
> called from a 8 character userid (I showed the error message to our ACF2
> guru here & got all authorization). The same program works good when the
> job is submitted from 7 character userid. 

If you have any allocation-related exits, examine them carefully for
bugs with 8 character userids.  One of them could be rejecting the
request.


/Leonard

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Re: DDCONS

2005-05-31 Thread Greg Shirey
Here's a link to a discussion of this parm from the archives: 
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0002&L=ibm-main&D=0&I=1&P=280425

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Re: DDCONS

2005-05-31 Thread McKown, John
We have DDCONS set to NO. Why? Because with DDCONS set to YES, our long running 
started tasks (such as NET and CA-7) took too long to terminate. This was 
caused by SMF attempting to consolidate all the dynamic allocations of the same 
DD name into a single entry. No offense, but it appears that the consolidation 
routine is very primitive (like a bubble sort).

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Re: JOB card error - it has me stumped.

2005-05-31 Thread McKown, John
A continuation character is not needed in column 72. There is a "trailing 
comma" after the "programmer name field". This is sufficient for the JCL 
interpreter to "think" that you are continuing the JOB card on the next card. 
If you are not, you get this error. Remove comma after the "programmer name 
field" if you only have a single card image for this JOB.

This is a case of IBM trying to be helpful, I think.

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DDCONS

2005-05-31 Thread Mendelson, Eric
What is the ramifications of ddcons in SMF. We have used the default of
YES. How many shops have set ddcons to no

 

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Re: JOB card error - it has me stumped.

2005-05-31 Thread Mark Yuhas
Due to the misalignment caused by the font, it's hard to read the
information.  However, this is positions 1-29 of the JOB card:

//VM44K1C   JOB (C,VM44,027),
66EDFFDFC444DDC44C6EDFF6FFF56
115 444 21 30001 6 20D3B5444 B027DB


Positions 30-72:

'COMP SEARCH PARMS',
7CDDD4ECCDCC4DCDDE76444
D36 4 702 51 9 3 8071 9 42DB000

Positions 73-80:

JOB03916
DDCF
1 6 2039 16


Please note, there is no continuation character in position 72.  The
programmer name field is only 17 bytes long.  The accounting field is
not too long.  I have examples of JOB cards that were accepted with the
same number and type of subfields.
Further, the Interpreter/Converter is failing the first card.
Subsequently,
all other records in the jobstream are flushed.

I
This is the actual SYSLOG entry for the jobstream:

/HASP100 VM44K1C  ON INTRDR  COMP SEARCH PARMS FROM JOB03905
X4CERTA

/HASP998 VM44K1C
+---10+---20+---30+---40+---50+---60+---70--
--+---80

/HASP998 VM44K1C  //VM44K1C   JOB (C,VM44,027),'COMP SEARCH PARMS',
JOB03916

/HASP998 VM44K1C
66EDFFDFC444DDC44C6EDFF6FFF567CDDD4ECCDCC4DCDDE76444
DDCF

/HASP998 VM44K1C
1154442130001620D3B5444B027DBD36470251938071942DB000
16203916

/HASP119 VM44K1C  DELETED - ILLEGAL JOB CARD, RC=1

/HASP125 INTRDR SKIPPING FOR JOB CARD FROM JOB03905 X4CERTA

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Re: SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Bob Wright

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In a recent note, Bob Wright said:



Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:45:55 -0400

Try again with DSORG=PS added to the DCB attributes.  I don't have a
book detailing SDB requirements nearby, but I seem to recall that the
DSORG must be PS and known to data management in time to apply SDB.



Bingo!  That makes the difference.  I'm somewhat surprised; I
would have believed that the call to OPEN supplies all information
necessary to determine DSORG, and SDB takes effect fairly late
in the OPEN process (after the DCB EXIT), when DSORG should have
been fixed.

And puzzled further that REPRO causes SDB to be applied.  I suppose
the difference might be that REPRO places DSORG in the DCB before
OPEN whereas IEBGENER doesn't.

(Would PO work as well as PS?)

Thanks,
gil
You're welcome.  I thought that we'd bumped into something like that in 
the course of some service aids development where we had an old DCB that 
didn't specify DSORG, leaving that for a DCB OPEN exit to supply.  I 
have no idea why IEBGENER would be going that route, but it certainly 
needs to be available to OPEN before a DCB OPEN exit to implement SDB.


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Re: WLM using default service classes.....?

2005-05-31 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:02:30 -0400, Dave Thorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>We have begun setting up a new customer's LPARs, etc, and since we're
>bringing them into our sysplex I'm integrating their WLM specs into our
>existing one.
>
>I activated it last week on the customer system.  To my surprise, started
>tasks all seemed to go to the default STC service class.  This sems to be
>happening across the board.  I activated the same policy on our sandbox
>LPAR and everything seemed to go to the right place.
>
>They were at OS/390 2.10, and were in Goal Mode, but the systems we're
>building here are z/OS 1.4.  I asked the sysprogs if the software levels
>are identical to our existing ones yet , and was told not completely, but
>that still doesn't seem to click with me.  This is (I think) fairly basic.
>This customer does EVERYTHING with automation but I can't see that entering
>into it either.
>
>A 'D WLM' command on their system shows a functionality level of 008, while
>we are at 011.  And when I flip them to our policy, the 011 shows up as
>expected.
>
>Anyone have any ideas?  Never saw this before.
>

Hard to say without IEE-EYE-BALL.  Assuming all the compatibility
maintenance is on their 2.10 system, I don't think the WLM levels
are an issue.  Perhaps some misplaced SPM rule?  If you want to
send me a printout off-list of the policy you activiated on their
system, perhaps a second set of eyes will catch something.

I assume you moved the policy to their system via reading a saved
definition PDS.  Did you get any errors reading the definition?

Regards,

Mark
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Example of using "__xload"/EDCXLOAD in a C program?

2005-05-31 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Hi all,

I have looked throughout the C/C++ sample library, but there are no examples
of using the SPC-supplied "__xload"/EDCXLOAD subroutine to dynamically load
another subroutine *from a C main*.  The only sample in the library shows
using EDCXLOAD from an assembler program.

If anyone has an example of using the "__xload" subroutine *from C*, or a
url to such an example, I would appreciate a copy.

The problem is that the definition of the function says that it returns the
address of the loaded subroutine in R1, and there are no examples of how to
retrieve the contents of R1 after a successful call *from C*.

Peter

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Re: WLM using default service classes.....?

2005-05-31 Thread Kim Goldenberg

Dave Thorn wrote:


We have begun setting up a new customer's LPARs, etc, and since we're
bringing them into our sysplex I'm integrating their WLM specs into our
existing one.

I activated it last week on the customer system.  To my surprise, started
tasks all seemed to go to the default STC service class.  This sems to be
happening across the board.  I activated the same policy on our sandbox
LPAR and everything seemed to go to the right place.

They were at OS/390 2.10, and were in Goal Mode, but the systems we're
building here are z/OS 1.4.  I asked the sysprogs if the software levels
are identical to our existing ones yet , and was told not completely, but
that still doesn't seem to click with me.  This is (I think) fairly basic.
This customer does EVERYTHING with automation but I can't see that entering
into it either.

A 'D WLM' command on their system shows a functionality level of 008, while
we are at 011.  And when I flip them to our policy, the 011 shows up as
expected.

Anyone have any ideas?  Never saw this before.
 

Is there something in the classification that takes advantage of 
functionality levels 009-011 that would cause the classifications for 
STC to be ignored? I can't see anything off hand on our 1.4 system, but 
that's the only thing that comes to mind. Of couse we were just 
migrating from level to level, and I was careful not to mix levels as it 
was, inevitably, a production system that was the last to move.


Don't know if this helps.

Kim
NJ Office of Information Technology (OIT)
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Re: SBD4 at z/OS 1.4 IPL

2005-05-31 Thread Skip Robinson
(I don't normally resend posts, but this one never echoed to my inbox.)





Good guess on the abend code. See OA06207 :

IEA303W CONTAINS INCORRECT ABEND CODE

ERROR DESCRIPTION:
When processing a CALLRTM TYPE=ABTERM request, during NIP
processing, message IEA303W contain incorrect ABEND code.
Interface problem between IEAVNIPX and IEAVNIPM results
in identification incorrect ABEND code.

In reported problem, program issued DETACH and DETACH
processing issued ABEND13E, but abend code in MSGIEA303W
did not show ABEND 13E text.

Verification steps:
IPCS STATUS command will show IEA303W text containing
ABEND code that is different from ABEND code shown in
*RCVY ABT entry of IPCS SYSTRACE ALL command output.
.
.
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>Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>Date: 05/30/2005 07:59
>Subject: Re: SBD4 at z/OS 1.4 IPL
>
>Miklos wrote :
>
>
>IEA303W ABEND BD4 REASON  DURING INITIALIZATION UNDER RIM
>IEAVNPA1
>

> But when looking at Abend Code BD4, it seems to be
>incorrect which may prevent a detailed problem
>investigation.Probably
>verifying whether Abend Code SBD4 is correct or not should be a path
>you go
>down at first, I believe.
>
>Regards.
>Nasuh KARAHALLI.

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VTAM APPN routing

2005-05-31 Thread Dave Kutz
If I have 3 appn VTAMs all in same netid. 
CPUA and CPUC are dual CDSERVRs, Enterprise Extenders, and Extended Border 
Nodes to a common remote netid EBN VTAM. 
CPUB is one of several appn NN VTAMs running applications.

How can I force a session setup from CPUB to ALWAYS choose CPUC for a 
remote netid over its EE-EBN link? I can't make CPUB an EN because it is 
in a different sysplex.
All 3 VTAMs (CPUA, CPUB, CPUC) have CP-CP sessions to each other for 
various internal appl to appl sessions so CPUA to CPUB CP-CP must be 
maintained.
Its just that I need CPUB for certain external netids to route to CPUC and 
out his EE link to the remote EBN netid.

Dave

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Fw: DUMMY and BLKSIZE=0

2005-05-31 Thread Bill Klein
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> In a recent note, john gilmore said:
> 

> And on this question, I have yet no empirical evidence that, for example,
> "DUMMY,DCB=..." behaves any differently from "DSN=NULLFILE,DCB=..."
> I'm inclined to believe that the writers of the JCL manual were not
> as adept as you at boolean algebra, and wrote text with incorrect
> logical consequences.
> 

As far as I have seen, the JCL *reference* is clear that there is NO
difference; it is only the "User Guide" that implies (but it use of "OR")
that there may be a difference.

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Moving a RLS enabled VSAM dataset

2005-05-31 Thread Jousma, David
All,

Just a hypothetical question.  Hoping someone here has the answer
already.
We are getting ready to enable RLS for testing purposes, and the 
Storage guy was scratching his head asking how we would move a VSAM
Dataset opened for RLS, shared across multiple LPARS on different CEC's
In the SAME parallel sysplex.  We already use Softek Replicator to move
Data volume to volume under the covers, so I will follow-up with them
too.

Just really wondering how others have handled the situation.  The
obvious 
Answer to shutdown all address spaces using the dataset would work, but
That may not be easily possible given our environment.

Any experiences would be appreciated.

Dave


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Re: More Hype for the B1 visas?

2005-05-31 Thread Gerhard Adam
>> The whole H1B argument is so obviously a lie -- there isn't a shortage
>> of IT professionals in the U.S.; there is just a shortage in the
>> U.S. of the ones who will work for what in the U.S. is chump change.
>> So they import them and train them here so they can go back to their
>> home countries and suck even more jobs out of the U.S.

>Which is the biggest cost to us.We're not going to stop them from
>becoming the software writing companies of the world - we couldn't if we
>tried.  Anything that can be done overseas will be done wherever the cost
>advantage is best.  If USAmerican companies don't contract overseas,
>overseas companies will be doing the competing.We could choose to
>become isolationist - but isolationism has historically had benefits as
>short sighted as what we're complaining our CEOs have.   I will benefit,
>but my grandchildren will be hurt.

It seems like that competition argument is getting a bit worn around the
edges.  We're our own worst competition.  If we were more aggressive in
determining what pricing was acceptable to doing business in the U.S., then
we would be participating in setting a standard of living for the world.
Instead, we've opted to go the cheapest route, which basically ensures that
the U.S. standard of living will be reduced to the lowest competitor levels.

This ultimately has very little to do with real competition, and everything
to do with government manipulations and exploitation.

Corporations were a human invention...  we can certainly determine how we
expect them to behave.

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WLM using default service classes.....?

2005-05-31 Thread Dave Thorn
We have begun setting up a new customer's LPARs, etc, and since we're
bringing them into our sysplex I'm integrating their WLM specs into our
existing one.

I activated it last week on the customer system.  To my surprise, started
tasks all seemed to go to the default STC service class.  This sems to be
happening across the board.  I activated the same policy on our sandbox
LPAR and everything seemed to go to the right place.

They were at OS/390 2.10, and were in Goal Mode, but the systems we're
building here are z/OS 1.4.  I asked the sysprogs if the software levels
are identical to our existing ones yet , and was told not completely, but
that still doesn't seem to click with me.  This is (I think) fairly basic.
This customer does EVERYTHING with automation but I can't see that entering
into it either.

A 'D WLM' command on their system shows a functionality level of 008, while
we are at 011.  And when I flip them to our policy, the 011 shows up as
expected.

Anyone have any ideas?  Never saw this before.

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SunGard eSourcing
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Re: SBD4 at z/OS 1.4 IPL

2005-05-31 Thread Hal Merritt
What was the wait state code? It should be in one of the SE logs. 

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Hi

Try to IPl a test z/OS 1.4 in a  1Gbyte real storage LPAR and got
IEA303W ABEND BD4 REASON  DURING INITIALIZATION UNDER RIM
IEAVNPA1
and a wait state.

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Re: Searching for Graphing Vendor

2005-05-31 Thread McKown, John
I am likely confused. The person wants to send some data out-of-house and get 
back some graphs? In what form? Transparencies? GIF files? PNG files? A 
presentation? 

What I am considering is looking a porting GNUPlot from Linux to z/OS UNIX 
System Services. I just haven't had time (or inclination). Our DASD person is 
really "pumped" on SASGraph, but the bloody thing is super expensive. And he 
doesn't want to use SAS on a PC somewhere (for whatever reason, maybe because 
it would take it outside his control?).

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Re: Secure FTP on the Mainframe

2005-05-31 Thread Hal Merritt
I don't agree. The OMVS setup looked to be more complicated and would
result in a less secure environment. 

Do stay away from the ISPF panels and do the cert generation in batch.  

My $0.02 

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Nothing wrong with using RACF for the CERT stuff but you can generate
CERTS from OMVS using gskkyman.  Maybe it is better to learn to crawl
first rather than trying to run.

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Re: Friday question: How far back is PLO instruction supported?

2005-05-31 Thread Eric Chevalier
On 31 May 2005 09:46:05 -0700,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould) wrote:

>Who?
>
>This is entirely on topic, IMO and worth discussion.

I believe that Mr. Smith is referring to the messages in this thread which
reminisce about Univac, 7090s, MFT and so forth. The messages which prove
(once again), Jaffe's Conjecture: "Any thread that goes on long enough
will eventually deteriorate into a discussion of 60's and 70's computer
nostalgia".

http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0103&L=ibm-main&O=D&F=&S=&P=321805

And I agree with Mr. Smith that it's time to drop that part of this
thread.

Eric

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Re: Userids & DYNALLOC

2005-05-31 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:25:41 -0400, Nelliyappan Manivel, Sridhar wrote:

>I'm struggling with a mysterious return & reason code when DYNALLOC is
>called from a 8 character userid (I showed the error message to our ACF2
>guru here & got all authorization). The same program works good when the
>job is submitted from 7 character userid.
>
>DYNALLOC fails with rc=4, and reason code 0218  (from 8 character
>userid). Please let me know if you know of any insight into this
>problem. (DYNALLOC program is subtasked from a main program, I don't
>know if that matters or not)
>
>Here are the explanation from the book for RC=4
>
>Meaning: An error resulted from: v the current environment, the
>unavailability of a system resource (the system will also return a class
>2 error reason code in S99ERROR), or ...snip...
>Action: See the error reason code description and appropriate action in
>Table 26-6 on page 26-52, Table 26-8 on page 26-64, or Table 26-9 on
>page 26-72.  See also the associated message for the appropriate action.
>
>For reason = 0218
>
>Meaning: Specified volume or an acceptable volume is not mounted, and
>user does not have volume mounting authorization through the DYNALLOC
>request. (dsname allocation)1
>Application Programmer Action: Change volume specification, or have the
>required volume mounted, or change the allocation request to allow volume
>mounting. Resubmit the request.
>Corresponding Message: IKJ56221I


Sridher,

Please post the volume and unit information that you passed to that
DYNALLOC request, and perhaps even consider posting the entire set of keys
passed.  Also, be sure to post the JOBLOG (as others have asked).

This may be related to the "8-character TSO userid" thread that is running
today... you might want to reconsider your use of an 8-character userid for
this DYNALLOC request.

However, it may not be related after all.  When you got the authorization
from your "ACF2 guru" was the authorization given to the userid running the
multitasking calling address space?  Or was it given to the 8-character
userid referenced in the DYNALLOC call?  Is the DYNALLOC subtask really
using the 8-character userid in its TCBSENV pointer?  (Was a RACROUTE
performed prior to the DYNALLOC in that subtask?)

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Re: Searching for Graphing Vendor

2005-05-31 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi Alan,

Given that you already have a staff it seems like you might want to consider
investing in SAS http://www.sas.com 
on a PC with MXG http://www.mxg.com and let them produce the charts in house
and give them a powerful toolbox to do analysis of DASD and other
performance metrics in addition to just creating charts.

Best Regards,

Sam Knutson, GEICO
Performance and Availability Management
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(office)  301.986.3574

"Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast..."


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Lance and Sam (for an earlier reply)

For our own purposes we have two people doing Performance Management and 
two doing Capacity Planning (they all work closely together and are 
overworked).  We also happen to be in the midst of a general performance 
study being done by a respected consultant.  In the analysis the 
consultant makes a statement indicating our dasd farm in performing 
poorly.  We will be getting details later on but this statement made us 
wonder if spending some money to get regular and accurate charts might be 
helpful. 

We may not take this route at all but it doesn't hurt to get some 
references early in the process.

Thanks to both of you (and any others that may respond later)

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Re: Searching for Graphing Vendor

2005-05-31 Thread Alan Schwartz
Lance and Sam (for an earlier reply)

For our own purposes we have two people doing Performance Management and 
two doing Capacity Planning (they all work closely together and are 
overworked).  We also happen to be in the midst of a general performance 
study being done by a respected consultant.  In the analysis the 
consultant makes a statement indicating our dasd farm in performing 
poorly.  We will be getting details later on but this statement made us 
wonder if spending some money to get regular and accurate charts might be 
helpful. 

We may not take this route at all but it doesn't hurt to get some 
references early in the process.

Thanks to both of you (and any others that may respond later)

Alan



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Alan,

Are you interested in RMF measurment data being graphed for
management?

Lance J.


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Re: Userids & DYNALLOC

2005-05-31 Thread Hal Merritt
SWAG: user is calling for a tape. IIRC, that requires APF auth (because
of the wait). Also, IIRC, there is a separate auth for a TSO user to
mount a tape.  

HTH. 

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Subject: Re: Userids & DYNALLOC

I'm struggling with a mysterious return & reason code when DYNALLOC is
called from a 8 character userid (I showed the error message to our ACF2
guru here & got all authorization). The same program works good when the
job is submitted from 7 character userid. 

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Re: Userids & DYNALLOC

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Clark
Hello, 

The log may should you an attempt to allocate a dynnamic dataset with the 8 
character name. ie. abcdefgh.ispf.profile and you may only have 
abcdefg.ispf.profile ( a 7 character userid defined). 

paste more info: syslog,msglog,jeslog, etc...

Kevin
.

-- Original message -- 

> I'm struggling with a mysterious return & reason code when DYNALLOC is 
> called from a 8 character userid (I showed the error message to our ACF2 
> guru here & got all authorization). The same program works good when the 
> job is submitted from 7 character userid. 
> 
> DYNALLOC fails with rc=4, and reason code 0218 (from 8 character 
> userid). Please let me know if you know of any insight into this 
> problem. (DYNALLOC program is subtasked from a main program, I don't 
> know if that matters or not) 
> 
> Here are the explanation from the book for RC=4 
> 
> Meaning: An error resulted from: v the current environment, the 
> unavailability of a system resource (the system will also return a class 
> 2 error reason code in S99ERROR), or a system routine failure. v the 
> current environment (the system will also return a class 4 error reason 
> code in S99ERROR), or v a system routine failure (the system will also 
> return a class 7 error reason code in S99ERROR).Application Programmer 
> Action: See the error reason code description and appropriate action in 
> Table 26-6 on page 26-52, Table 26-8 on page 26-64, or Table 26-9 on 
> page 26-72See also the associated message for the appropriate action. 
> 
> 
> For reason = 0218 
> 
> Meaning: Specified volume or an acceptable volume is not mounted, and 
> user does not have volume mounting authorization through the DYNALLOC 
> request. (dsname allocation)1 Application Programmer Action: Change 
> volume specification, or have the required volume mounted, or change the 
> allocation request to allow volume mounting. Resubmit the request. 
> Corresponding Message: IKJ56221I 
> 
> Regards, 
> Sridher Nelliyappan Manivel, 
> Technical Services, 
> Lowe's Companies, Inc. 
> (336)658-2977 Work 
> (336)658-2124 FAX 
> 
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Re: Friday question: How far back is PLO instruction supported?

2005-05-31 Thread Ed Gould
on 5/31/05 10:31 AM, Jeffrey D. Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Yo, guys! It was a simple question as to whether it was
> safe to write new commercial code using the PLO instruction
> with the caveat that the prospective customer is using a
> supported MVS-type operating system.
> 
> Please let this thread die before I have to invoke the
> name of you-know-who.
> 


Jeff,

Who?

This is entirely on topic, IMO and worth discussion.

Ed

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Re: Searching for Graphing Vendor

2005-05-31 Thread Lance D. Jackson
Alan,

Are you interested in RMF measurment data being graphed for
management?

Lance J.


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>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:18:02 -0500
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>Subject: Searching for Graphing Vendor  
>To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
>
>Hi,
>
>We're considering the possibility of sending SMF offsite
to a vendor 
>who
>produces graphs for management.  It doesn't matter if they
are physical 
>graphs
>or whether they are made available online via a web page.
>
>Aside from IBM, can anyone provide some additional names of
vendors who
>provide this service.
>
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Alan Schwartz
>Assurant Shared Business Services
>Lead Systems Programmer
>Phone:  651-361-4758
>Fax:   651-361-5625
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Re: Userids & DYNALLOC

2005-05-31 Thread Nelliyappan Manivel, Sridhar - Sridher
I'm struggling with a mysterious return & reason code when DYNALLOC is
called from a 8 character userid (I showed the error message to our ACF2
guru here & got all authorization). The same program works good when the
job is submitted from 7 character userid. 

DYNALLOC fails with rc=4, and reason code 0218  (from 8 character
userid). Please let me know if you know of any insight into this
problem. (DYNALLOC program is subtasked from a main program, I don't
know if that matters or not)

Here are the explanation from the book for RC=4

Meaning: An error resulted from: v the current environment, the
unavailability of a system resource (the system will also return a class
2 error reason code in S99ERROR), or a system routine failure. v the
current environment (the system will also return a class 4 error reason
code in S99ERROR), or v a system routine failure (the system will also
return a class 7 error reason code in S99ERROR).Application Programmer
Action: See the error reason code description and appropriate action in
Table 26-6 on page 26-52, Table 26-8 on page 26-64, or Table 26-9 on
page 26-72See also the associated message for the appropriate action.


For reason = 0218

Meaning: Specified volume or an acceptable volume is not mounted, and
user does not have volume mounting authorization through the DYNALLOC
request. (dsname allocation)1 Application Programmer Action: Change
volume specification, or have the required volume mounted, or change the
allocation request to allow volume mounting. Resubmit the request.
Corresponding Message: IKJ56221I

Regards,
Sridher Nelliyappan Manivel,
Technical Services, 
Lowe's Companies, Inc.
(336)658-2977  Work
(336)658-2124  FAX
 

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Re: Searching for Graphing Vendor

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Clark
Alan, 

You may want to contact MXG (Barry Merrill)  or Chuck H.  Got to www.mxg.com  
they may have some ideas.

Kevin


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> Hi, 
> 
> We're considering the possibility of sending SMF offsite to a vendor 
> who 
> produces graphs for management. It doesn't matter if they are physical 
> graphs 
> or whether they are made available online via a web page. 
> 
> Aside from IBM, can anyone provide some additional names of vendors who 
> provide this service. 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> 
> Alan Schwartz 
> Assurant Shared Business Services 
> Lead Systems Programmer 
> Phone: 651-361-4758 
> Fax: 651-361-5625 
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Re: Searching for Graphing Vendor

2005-05-31 Thread Knutson, Sam
Is RMF Magic From IntelliMagic the one you are already looking at?

http://www.intellimagic.nl/page30b4.html

Thanks, Sam


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Searching for Graphing Vendor

2005-05-31 Thread Alan Schwartz
Hi,

We're considering the possibility of sending SMF offsite to a vendor 
who
produces graphs for management.  It doesn't matter if they are physical 
graphs
or whether they are made available online via a web page.

Aside from IBM, can anyone provide some additional names of vendors who
provide this service.


Thanks in advance,


Alan Schwartz
Assurant Shared Business Services
Lead Systems Programmer
Phone:  651-361-4758
Fax:   651-361-5625
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Re: SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Bob Wright said:

> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:45:55 -0400
> >
> Try again with DSORG=PS added to the DCB attributes.  I don't have a
> book detailing SDB requirements nearby, but I seem to recall that the
> DSORG must be PS and known to data management in time to apply SDB.
> 
Bingo!  That makes the difference.  I'm somewhat surprised; I
would have believed that the call to OPEN supplies all information
necessary to determine DSORG, and SDB takes effect fairly late
in the OPEN process (after the DCB EXIT), when DSORG should have
been fixed.

And puzzled further that REPRO causes SDB to be applied.  I suppose
the difference might be that REPRO places DSORG in the DCB before
OPEN whereas IEBGENER doesn't.

(Would PO work as well as PS?)

Thanks,
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Quos Deus perdere vult (was: Re: DUMMY ...)

2005-05-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, john gilmore said:

> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:16:36 +
> 
> Quos deus perdere vult amentat.  Anyone but the Pope needs to be safely dead
> to make such an argument.
> 
I can find, "Quos deus perdere vult, dementat prius."  (and I was vaguely
familiar with it.)  Is "amentat" any different in sense from "dementat"?
I find two citations of your precise form, both in Italian, which
hardly helped me.

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Re: DUMMY and BLKSIZE=0

2005-05-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, john gilmore said:

> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:16:36 +
> 
> Once written within a procedure neither of the DD statements
> 
> // DD DUMMY
> 
> or
> 
> // DD DUMMY, . . .
> 
> can be altered into one that in fact is functional, permits non-null
> outputs to be written or non-null inputs to be read.
> 
Thanks!  I hadn't considered that.  Now I'll know better.

> address the other, in my view more important, question of what is put into
> control blocks.
> 
And on this question, I have yet no empirical evidence that, for example,
"DUMMY,DCB=..." behaves any differently from "DSN=NULLFILE,DCB=..."
I'm inclined to believe that the writers of the JCL manual were not
as adept as you at boolean algebra, and wrote text with incorrect
logical consequences.

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Re: SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Bob Wright

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In reaction to the recent DUMMY and ISPLOG BLKSIZE=0 thread, I did a test
with the following:

//GENEREXEC  PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT  DD   DISP=(NEW,CATLG),
//  DSN=&SYSUID..IEBGENER.SYSPRINT,
//  DCB=(RECFM=FBA,LRECL=121,BLKSIZE=0),
//  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(TRK,1)

(Note this is SYSPRINT, not SYSUT2.)  The characteristics of the created
data set are:

 Data Set Name  . . . : user.IEBGENER.SYSPRINT  

 General Data  Current Allocation   
  Volume serial . . . : TSO002  Allocated tracks  . : 1 
  Device type . . . . : 3390Allocated extents . : 1 
  Organization  . . . : PS  
  Record format . . . : FBA 
  Record length . . . : 121 
  Block size  . . . . : 121Current Utilization  
  1st extent tracks . : 1   Used tracks . . . . : 1 
  Secondary tracks  . : 0   Used extents  . . . : 1   


This BLKSIZE does not appear to be the SDB supplied value (a similar test
with IDCAMS REPRO gives 27951).  It has been my perception that it is IBM's
policy to allow SDB to operate on utility output rather than forcing a
BLKSIZE in the utility's code.  Should this be reported to IBM?  (And how
is Utilities Development likely to react in view of the recent waffle on
the IEBGENER PARM='SDB=YES' default waffle?)

-- gil
Try again with DSORG=PS added to the DCB attributes.  I don't have a 
book detailing SDB requirements nearby, but I seem to recall that the 
DSORG must be PS and known to data management in time to apply SDB.


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Re: Friday question: How far back is PLO instruction supported?

2005-05-31 Thread Jeffrey D. Smith
Yo, guys! It was a simple question as to whether it was
safe to write new commercial code using the PLO instruction
with the caveat that the prospective customer is using a
supported MVS-type operating system.

Please let this thread die before I have to invoke the
name of you-know-who.


Jeffrey D. Smith
Farsight Systems Corporation
24 BURLINGTON DR
LONGMONT, CO 80501
303-774-9381
http://www.farsight-systems.com

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Sent: 5/31/2005 9:01 AM
To: "IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU" 
Subject: Re: Friday question: How far back is PLO instruction supported?

On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 23:10 -0500, Ed Gould wrote:
> I never did hear (nor cared) what happened to the UNIVAC machines.
> Knowing the army they are still running them.

/* snipped with extreme prejudice because PLO dont work on UNIVAC! */

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DUMMY and BLKSIZE=0

2005-05-31 Thread john gilmore
I found the experience of being 'beaten up' drole, and I am of course 
unrepentent.


It will he helpful to go back in time to the early years of OS/MFT for the 
System/360.  The syntax of JCL is of course modelled on that of the F 
Assembler, and its macro phase in particular. JCL statements then had and 
still have parameters of two sorts, positional and keyword.  What was 
different then was that, even for keyword statement parameters, no mechanism 
for replacing their values individually was made available unless those 
values were also parameters of a cataloged procedure.


To change any portion of a statement in such a procedure, it was necessary 
to replace that statement with another complete one, and it was in this 
context, that of suppressing undesired output, writing it to Orwell's 
'memory hole', or ignoring undesired input, raising endfile on the first 
read, that the agreeably brief complete statement


// DD DUMMY

was made available.   Worth noting explicitly are that (a) DUMMY is here a 
positional parameter and that (b) it was devised for use outside a procedure 
in order to alter the behavior of that procedure on occasions when its 
standard/default behavior was unsatisfactory.


Let me also note that, while there is some similarity between the positional 
and keyword parameters of a JCL statement and those of an assembly-language 
macro instruction or the corresponding macro definition, there is a crucial 
difference too.  An HLASM macro definition may have both, and they may be 
specified in any order in a corresponding macro instruction.


Thus, for example, the macro definition

macro
example &pos1,&pos2,&key1=,&key2=,&key3=
. . .
mexit
mend

can be invoked my any of the three functionally equivalent macro 
instructions


example 1,key2=5,key1='hubris',key3=yes,21
example key1='hubris',key2=5,key3=yes,1,21
example 1,21,key1='hubris',key2=5,key3=yes

and many others as well.  Positional arguments in a macro instruction are
mapped to the positional parameters of a macro definition from left to right
and keyword parameters are order-insensitive.  Moreover, JCL did not then
have and still does not have any analogue of the HLASM's &SYSLIST facility,
which permits positional arguments to be picked off in logical sequence no
matter where they appear in a macro instruction.

Once written within a procedure neither of the DD statements

// DD DUMMY

or

// DD DUMMY, . . .

can be altered into one that in fact is functional, permits non-null outputs 
to be written or non-null

inputs to be read.

On the other hand

//SYSPRINT  DD DSN=NULLFILE,BLKSIZE=0,LRECL=137,RECFM=VBA

can be altered readily by simply supplying a different licit value of DSN=.  
This

difference was the basis for my statement that DSN=NULLFILE was superior to
DUMMY when used inside procedures.

The question what is retained and what is not retained from these two dif-
gerent statements is more complicated.  Different bindngs obtain for
different uses.

Volker Bandke's example is entirely correct, but what it establishes---which
was never in contention---is that textual DCB information from one DD 
statement can
be 'copied' by reference into another DD statement at parse time.  It does 
not
address the other, in my view more important, question of what is put into 
control blocks.


Moreover, while Volker's example served to establish his point, that point 
is not as I unbderstand it
a functionally interesting one.  If, say, one wants, N instances of the same 
DCB information, this is
better accomplished by coding one operational DCB in extenso and using N - 1 
references than it is
by coding one non-operational DD statement that provides  DCB= values (or 
their functional

equivalents) and N others that acquire this information by reference.

Finally, I want to say something about my notionally 'ex cathedra' 
pronouncemnts.


I don't believe in arguments from authority of the form 'Things are thus 
because I say so'.
Quos deus perdere vult amentat.  Anyone but the Pope needs to be safely dead 
to make

such an argument.

On the other hand, I am almost equally suspicious of simplistic alternatives
to such arguments. The opinions of the competent and the incompeternt are 
not

equally valuable; and in particular, the opinions of those who are exhausted
by their never successful attempts to follow an ordered exposition of any
length have little merit.  This forum is not, or at least should not be, a 
talk show.


John Gilmore
Ashland, MA 01721
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SDB, BLKSIZE=0, and IEBGENER SYSPRINT

2005-05-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In reaction to the recent DUMMY and ISPLOG BLKSIZE=0 thread, I did a test
with the following:

//GENEREXEC  PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT  DD   DISP=(NEW,CATLG),
//  DSN=&SYSUID..IEBGENER.SYSPRINT,
//  DCB=(RECFM=FBA,LRECL=121,BLKSIZE=0),
//  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(TRK,1)

(Note this is SYSPRINT, not SYSUT2.)  The characteristics of the created
data set are:

 Data Set Name  . . . : user.IEBGENER.SYSPRINT  

 General Data  Current Allocation   
  Volume serial . . . : TSO002  Allocated tracks  . : 1 
  Device type . . . . : 3390Allocated extents . : 1 
  Organization  . . . : PS  
  Record format . . . : FBA 
  Record length . . . : 121 
  Block size  . . . . : 121Current Utilization  
  1st extent tracks . : 1   Used tracks . . . . : 1 
  Secondary tracks  . : 0   Used extents  . . . : 1   

This BLKSIZE does not appear to be the SDB supplied value (a similar test
with IDCAMS REPRO gives 27951).  It has been my perception that it is IBM's
policy to allow SDB to operate on utility output rather than forcing a
BLKSIZE in the utility's code.  Should this be reported to IBM?  (And how
is Utilities Development likely to react in view of the recent waffle on
the IEBGENER PARM='SDB=YES' default waffle?)

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Re: Friday question: How far back is PLO instruction supported?

2005-05-31 Thread David Andrews
On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 23:10 -0500, Ed Gould wrote:
> I never did hear (nor cared) what happened to the UNIVAC machines.
> Knowing the army they are still running them.

At SHARE 78 (March 1992, Anaheim) I toured the Jet Propulsion Lab with a
busload of other SHARE tourists.  One of the staffers who had been
assigned to entertain us was a computer systems engineer named Gary
Friedman.

>From my notes of the time:

"Friedman says that one of the problems with being on
the leading edge of technology and being a government
agency is that the leading edge equipment you bought
years ago is still in service. He showed us a photograph
of an ancient Univac system: big cabinet, core memory
and a lighted panel you could use to get a respectable
suntan. They use this machine to crunch satellite data
overnight, the output of which is produced on 9-track
tapes, which in turn are mailed to appropriate
scientists. The Powers That Be like this system; it
works (slowly) and is paid for. 'And' said Friedman,
'if it ever breaks, no problem! They'll simply move
the workload' -- he paused for effect -- 'to the Univac
across the aisle!'."

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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread Lizette Koehler
Actually, at one shop we did attempt to do this.  However, there were many
exits we had to write around TSO to make it work.  It was not something I
would recommend.  But if you can figure out what needs to be altered, it can
be done.  Secondly, I am not sure with OCO if it can be done anymore.  

Besides, you know when a system programmer has too much time on their hands,
they tend to add exits to make the system work the way they want it to,
rather than the way IBM designed it.  ;-)


That is why I said I would recommend sticking to the 7 char or less ID
rather than try to use the 8 char ID.

Lizette Koehler

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Re: Listserver for DFSMS/HSM

2005-05-31 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/31/2005 4:52:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

IMHO  this is the list server.




>>
I searched Lsoft's CATAlist for SMS,HSM, and DFP. There were hits, but  
nothing related to IBM storage. There is other listserve software but I don't  
know 
their url's.

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Re: More Hype for the B1 visas?

2005-05-31 Thread Howard Brazee
On 31-May-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leonard Woren) wrote:

> The whole H1B argument is so obviously a lie -- there isn't a shortage
> of IT professionals in the U.S.; there is just a shortage in the
> U.S. of the ones who will work for what in the U.S. is chump change.
> So they import them and train them here so they can go back to their
> home countries and suck even more jobs out of the U.S.

Which is the biggest cost to us.We're not going to stop them from becoming
the software writing companies of the world - we couldn't if we tried.  
Anything that can be done overseas will be done wherever the cost advantage is
best.   If USAmerican companies don't contract overseas, overseas companies will
be doing the competing.We could choose to become isolationist - but
isolationism has historically had benefits as short sighted as what we're
complaining our CEOs have.   I will benefit, but my grandchildren will be hurt.

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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread R.S.

Lizette Koehler wrote:

IMHO - An 8 Char TSO ID is doable. 


It is NOT. I'd suggest to RTFM or just try. I tried, results below.

 However, the following points need to be

evaluated:
1)  Using an 8 char TSO ID will prevent the tso user from submitting a job
with a dynamically incrementing job card
 //TSOID  JOB ...
  Will submit as 
 //TSOIDA  JOB   the first time

 //TSOIDB  JOB   the second time and so on
Therefore, you would need to verify that you do not have any TSO Users
that do that.  This process allows a TSO User to submit multiple jobs with
different job names.  Otherwise, they would all have the same name.  That is
sometimes confusing for the TSO User.


The above is irrelevant since you cannot logon.


2)  You may need to review exits like IKJEFT10 to ensure it is compatible.
Or to modify it for the 8 char TSO ID.
3)  You will need to review other products or reporting processes to ensure
they do not expect 7 char or less TSO IDs.
4)  If you also setup alternate TSO IDs, ensure they follow your standards
At one shop I worked at TSOIDX was a primary TSO Id for the user,
whereas TSOID1 was an alternate.  That way we could provide multiple IDs
without the user getting too confused.  If you use 8 chars for TSO ID you
may need to change the way you create alternates.


The results:
1. AU S1234567 NAME('TEST USER')
OK
2. ALU S1234567 TSO()
OK! The comment below.
3. logon using user S1234567
IKJ56710I INVALID USERID, S1234567
IKJ56703A REENTER THIS OPERAND -


Ad 2. It is kind illogical - I can create TSO segment for the userid 
which is invalid for TSO. I wouldn't be able to do create UADS entry.

At least some warning would be nice.

Ad 3. Caution: message IKJ56710I description is not clear - it suggest 
invalid or non-existent userid. Non-existent (but potentially valid) 
userid gives another results.



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Re: DUMMY and BLKSIZE=0

2005-05-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, DOMINGUEZ MARTIN, ANGEL LUIS said:

> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:53:25 +0200
> 
> - After OPEN. The BLKSIZE obtained is the same as specified in JCL for all
> (DUMMY, NULLFILE or REAL) or ZERO in case param where not present.
   
This result, at least, surprises me.  I'd expect that at least for real
data sets, SDB would fill in the BLKSIZE at OPEN time.

> So, it will be neccesary know what does the concerning ISPF module
> when recover value zero for BLKSIZE on DDNAME ISPLOG.
> 
If APARable for ISPLOG, I'd prefer to consider it a failure of SDB
(DF/SMS?) rather than of ISPF.  It should be repaired where the
repair will benefit all applications, not a solitary one.

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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread Ed Gould
on 5/31/05 5:34 AM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Susan,
> 
> I think it is impossible:
> A quick scan through data areas revealed several controlblocks that had 7
> positions for the userid.
> See:
> Title: z/OS V1R3.0 TSO/E System Diagnosis: Data Areas
> Document Number: GA22-7792-01
> 
> This limitation must be documented in TSO manuals.
> 
> Kees.
> 
There used to be a restriction because of UADS (IIRC). They allowed for a
userid to go over two members USERID0 and USERID1 Because they allowed
multiple passwords/acounting fields in each "member". I don't recall ever
seeing a USERID3 (but my memory may be faulty).


Ed

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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread Lizette Koehler
IMHO - An 8 Char TSO ID is doable.  However, the following points need to be
evaluated:
1)  Using an 8 char TSO ID will prevent the tso user from submitting a job
with a dynamically incrementing job card
 //TSOID  JOB ...
  Will submit as 
 //TSOIDA  JOB   the first time
 //TSOIDB  JOB   the second time and so on
Therefore, you would need to verify that you do not have any TSO Users
that do that.  This process allows a TSO User to submit multiple jobs with
different job names.  Otherwise, they would all have the same name.  That is
sometimes confusing for the TSO User.
2)  You may need to review exits like IKJEFT10 to ensure it is compatible.
Or to modify it for the 8 char TSO ID.
3)  You will need to review other products or reporting processes to ensure
they do not expect 7 char or less TSO IDs.
4)  If you also setup alternate TSO IDs, ensure they follow your standards
At one shop I worked at TSOIDX was a primary TSO Id for the user,
whereas TSOID1 was an alternate.  That way we could provide multiple IDs
without the user getting too confused.  If you use 8 chars for TSO ID you
may need to change the way you create alternates.


Personally, I would stay with a 7 char or less TSO ID.  That way you can
avoid any gotcha code, processes, or products.

Lizette Koehler

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Re: Secure FTP on the Mainframe

2005-05-31 Thread Craig Kittendorf
Repost with the following additional information:
On first/server LPAR:
1) /u/jsysxxx/SSL/cdcu_self_signed.crt  (certificate export to second/client
LPAR and imported there)
2) /u/jsysxxx/SSL/cdcukey.kdb
3) /u/jsysxxx/SSL/cdcukey.sth
4) In ftp server config, KEYRING /u/jsysxxx/SSL/cdcukey.kdb

I don't understand the FC0215, FC0216, and FC0345 displayed in the client's
output.

Thanks,
   Craig

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: Secure FTP on the Mainframe

Hi,

I followed Share Session 3925 to set up my ftp server on one z/OS v1.4 LPAR
(CDCU).  I then exported the certificate to another LPAR (CDCT) and imported
the certificated into its key data base.

When trying ftp from the second lpar to the first I get the following:

EZA1450I IBM FTP CS V1R4
EZA1772I FTP: EXIT has been set.
EZYFT18I Using catalog '/usr/lib/nls/msg/C/ftpdmsg.cat' for FTP messages.
EZA1554I Connecting to: CDCU 205.145.225.134 port: 21.
220-FTPD1 IBM FTP CS V1R4 at CDCU, 10:03:13 on 2005-05-29.
220 Connection will close if idle for more than 5 minutes.
 FC0159 ftpAuth: security values: mech=TLS, sFTP=A, sCC=C, sDC=P 
FC0182 ftpAuth:  cipherspecs = 03040506090A 
FC0215 ftpAuth: keyring  =/u/jsysxxx/SSL/cdcu_self_signed.crt 
FC0216 ftpAuth: stashFile=/u/jsysxxx/SSL/cdcu_self_signed.sth
FC0223 ftpAuth: environment_open() 
FC0341 ftpAuth: environment_init() 
FC0345 ftpAuth: TLS init failed with rc = 201 (No key database password
supplied
FC0786 endSecureEnv: entered
EZA2897I Authentication negotiation failed 
EZA1701I >>> USER jxx 
534 Server requires authentication before USER command 
EZA1735I FTP Return Code = 26534, Error Code = 2

Where would the key database password be supplied?

Thanks,
Craig

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Re: Friday question: How far back is PLO instruction supported?

2005-05-31 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward E. Jaffe
> 
> Craddock, Chris wrote:
> 
> >[ snip ]
> >
> >I am constantly amazed at the gymnastics some people will go through to 
> >"support" back back back level "customers". One thing you can say for 
> >sure about customers who are not on reasonably current hardware and 
> >software... they aren't spending any money! Why would anyone go to that 
> >amount of trouble when there's no revenue in it anyway? Charity?
> 
> They *do* spend money in the form of annual maintenance fees to ISVs.

And that can equate to a "cash cow", to which one is wont to remain attached
until "udder failure".

-jc-

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Re: Regarding CHPID TYPE

2005-05-31 Thread salah Balboul
I'm glad all is working now..
Salah

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Re: Entry level readers?

2005-05-31 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
> 
> I have some related questions prompted by a recent job 
> posting. What is the lowest experience level of the readers 
> here?

I surmise that I'm one of the "juniors" here with 23 years in the business,
about equally divided between VM/VSE and MVS et seq.

> What is the lowest level of experience for which a job 
> posting here is likely to be productive?

Probably would depend on whether the poster is the potential employer or
employee.

-jc-

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Re: More Hype for the B1 visas?

2005-05-31 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 5/31/2005 4:59:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
< Do you suggest some kind of revolution ?
< We have some experiences  with that, I'd suggest to read some Lenin's 
< books, or epecially Marx -  they suggested similar solutions.


Major change is necessary, IMO.  It will be either evolutionary or  
revolutionary.  Evolutionary change is tried every day under our "rule of  
law", and 
the failure is obvious.  We now have only one political party -  Repugnocrats.  
Revolution - violent overthrow - is the only remaining  choice, but it was 
declared illegal by our Constitutional framers, which is what  revolutionaries 
always do as soon as they take power.  It should be  violent in order to act as 
a deterrent.  "... in this country it is a good thing to kill an admiral from 
time to  time to encourage the others." [Voltaire]  But revolutions easily  
get out of control, and are also always subverted by the next bunch of 
power-mad 
 thugs.  Shays' Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, and Lincoln's war to  
prevent voluntary disassociation show it even happens in the land of the  free. 
 
The end result is almost always more oppression.  Lenin's  paradise was 1,000 
times more oppressive than that of the Tsar, from whom Lenin  "liberated" the 
people.
 
Bottom line:  no permanent workable solution.   Workaround:  increase one's 
personal level of tolerance for the  increasingly intolerable.
 
Bill Fairchild

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Re: Regarding CHPID TYPE

2005-05-31 Thread Ottar Moller
Hi Salah,
I found out that the cable for B8 wasn't fully pluged.  What should I say,
'false' pluged and it got online right after the click.
Sorry about that, thanks for your time!
Best regards,
Ottar

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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Susan,

The TSO limit is documented in:

z/OS V1R1.0 TSO/E Administration:
2.1.2 Selecting a User ID

A user ID is often the user's name, initials, or department number, or any
combination of valid characters you and the user choose with the following
restrictions: 
Length - no longer than seven characters 

This should be enough arguments to prove that 8 character TSO userid's are
impossible.

Kees.

"Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Susan,
> 
> I think it is impossible:
> A quick scan through data areas revealed several controlblocks that had 7
> positions for the userid.
> See:
> Title: z/OS V1R3.0 TSO/E System Diagnosis: Data Areas
> Document Number: GA22-7792-01
> 
> This limitation must be documented in TSO manuals.
> 
> Kees.
> 
> "Chiam, Susan Mee-Shia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >...
> > Hi Listers,
> > We have a request to look into utilising 8-chars userids. First reaction
> > from the
> > team was 'No', but we have to put forward our arguments. So we need to
> > put up a list
> > of 'pros' and 'cons' on this request. Any help to formulate the list is
> > appreciated.
> > Thank you.
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Re: Secure FTP on the Mainframe

2005-05-31 Thread Mark Vitale
I believe the software looks for the key database password
in the "stash" file.  When I ran into this recently, I was using
gskkyman to manage my key file, and there's an option in gskkyman
"10 - Store database password" to create the "stash" file.  

Once I did that, the TLS handshake moved on to the next error 8-( ...

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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread Ulrich Boche

Chiam, Susan Mee-Shia wrote:

Hi Listers,
We have a request to look into utilising 8-chars userids. First reaction
from the
team was 'No', but we have to put forward our arguments. So we need to
put up a list
of 'pros' and 'cons' on this request. Any help to formulate the list is
appreciated.
Thank you.



You could use 8 char. userids for users who only use CICS, IMS, or web 
applications. TSO userids have a hard restriction to 7 chars. maximum. 
Userids with 8 chars. can have difficulties in a batch environment. For 
instance, you could not submit a job without a JOB statement since you 
cannot have a jobname of userid + one char.

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Re: Userids

2005-05-31 Thread R.S.

Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote:


Susan,

I think it is impossible:
A quick scan through data areas revealed several controlblocks that had 7
positions for the userid.
See:
Title: z/OS V1R3.0 TSO/E System Diagnosis: Data Areas
Document Number: GA22-7792-01

This limitation must be documented in TSO manuals.


Just to complete:
It is impossible to have 8-char userid under TSO.
It is possible to have 8-char userid for CICS, console, etc. Such user 
cannot logon to TSO and cannot be altered to logon - sometimes people 
like it.


Because of TSO restriction many shops don't use userid longer than 7.


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Re: SMF71 and ICETOOL

2005-05-31 Thread Martin Packer
Antonio wrote

> Thanks for the tip. But that's odd...

I agree,  but that's the way it's been since 1997 (OS/390 R.4.) The whole
set of fields arose as a 3-way discussion between me, a SRM/WLM developer
and a RMF developer. BTW. But I claim no "credit" for this "nested buckets"
implementation. :-)

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Re: SMF71 and ICETOOL

2005-05-31 Thread ANTONIO FONSECA (ESI-Sistemas)
Martin wrote:

>I imply absolutely nothing about DFSORT and floating point.

I'll just keep me fingers crossed...

>The reason you need to do the subtraction is because eg SMF71CLA includes
>the page frames that are in SMF71CAA. They are "nested". And that requires
>the earlier PTF to do the maths.

Thanks for the tip. But that's odd...

Cheers,

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Re: More Hype for the B1 visas?

2005-05-31 Thread Gerhard Adam
>Do you suggest some kind of revolution ?
>We have some experiences with that, I'd suggest to read some Lenin's 
>books, or epecially Marx - they suggested similar solutions.
>They also did hate top salaries of bank's presidents.
>Everything is already discussed, every problem was solved in their 
>books. Some countries even tried it.

That's not really a fair comment.  After all the U.S. was also founded by a
revolution.  You might also suggest the writings of Jefferson, and others.

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