Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
John Cassidy wrote: Call it a sea-change or whatever, I cannot see things improving, despite IBM's University initiative etc. - too late. SUN have been there (The uni's) years before IBM. IBM can't possibly compete in the university environment until they change their ways. We have a site license for Solaris which makes it almost free for as many Sun servers as we want. And we can use the software to run our administrative systems (Human Resources, Student Information System, Financials, etc.). No restrictions on what we can use the software for. Sun also gives us huge discounts on hardware. IBM gives us the standard 15% educational discount on software. And we go out for bid on hardware and take our chances like every other customer. IBM has programs for Higher Education ... like SzAU (or something like that) and HESC (no longer available) but they require that we ONLY use the software for instructional or research purposes. If we run administrative workload on that software, we pay commercial prices less the standard 15% educational discount. And they wonder why they keep losing to our 120-server (and growing) farm??? What's-his-name keeps harping about IBM's new programs for education and such, but they still haven't changed the one thing that keeps shooting them in the foot. Clueless! --Stephen -- - Stephen Y. Odo Systems Engineeringe-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information Technology Services phone: (808)956-2383 University of Hawai'i FAX: (808)956-2412 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - U5 Girls/Boys Master Coach U10 Boys Age Group Coordinator U16/U19 Girls Age Group Coordinator Child and Volunteer Protection Advocate AYSO Honolulu Region 178 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
In a message dated 10/19/2006 4:29:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's-his-name keeps harping about IBM's new programs for education and such, but they still haven't changed the one thing that keeps shooting them in the foot. Clueless! Was wondering if we'd hear from you. Any damage from the quake? Oh, same with Oracle although they're continually upping remaintenance aggreements. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
Ed Finnell wrote: Was wondering if we'd hear from you. Any damage from the quake? Thanks for asking ... The big island (Hawai'i) suffered severe damage ... current assessment is about $100M ... but amazingly, no deaths ... just minor injuries. Here on Oahu, damage was minimal. We're kinda back to normal already ... -- Stephen -- - Stephen Y. Odo Systems Engineeringe-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information Technology Services phone: (808)956-2383 University of Hawai'i FAX: (808)956-2412 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - U5 Girls/Boys Master Coach U10 Boys Age Group Coordinator U16/U19 Girls Age Group Coordinator Child and Volunteer Protection Advocate AYSO Honolulu Region 178 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
In a message dated 10/19/2006 3:22:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here on Oahu, damage was minimal. We're kinda back to normal already ... Thanks for the update. Try to be on the look out for the .edu's but it's sort of like the Service notice our help desk sent out. 'If you don't get this, send us a note...' Have a good one -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
On Tuesday, 10/17/2006 at 11:04 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why are there so mainframe types unemployed? I have asked myself the same question. My suspicion: because they are unwilling or unable to relocate to where the jobs are, or they want moving living expenses paid by an unwilling prospective employer. I hope it's not because they don't use online services like monster.com where 328 mainframe system programmer jobs are listed (some of which are not really sysprog jobs). Add the results of mainframe system administrator and the number rises. Unfortunately the employers don't consistently use the same phrase for the same job. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
**My suspicion: because they are unwilling or unable to relocate to where the jobs are, or they want moving living expenses paid by an unwilling prospective employer** In Europe, there are a lot of multi-lingual Mainframers commuting between Capital cities or their equivalent, still a paucity of (Mainframe) jobs. This has been the situation since 2001. Things have not recovered since. ** Unfortunately the employers don't consistently use the same phrase for the same job ** Nowadays not many employers or indirectly, their (employment) agencies know what a sysprog does or is. My three (Euro) cents. JC On Wed, October 18, 2006 15:07, Alan Altmark wrote: On Tuesday, 10/17/2006 at 11:04 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why are there so mainframe types unemployed? I have asked myself the same question. My suspicion: because they are unwilling or unable to relocate to where the jobs are, or they want moving living expenses paid by an unwilling prospective employer. I hope it's not because they don't use online services like monster.com where 328 mainframe system programmer jobs are listed (some of which are not really sysprog jobs). Add the results of mainframe system administrator and the number rises. Unfortunately the employers don't consistently use the same phrase for the same job. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) Berninastrasse 9 8057 Zuerich Europe Mobile:+41 (0) 79 207 3268 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.JDCassidy.net -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
While I was out of work for 18 months, I used MONSTER, HOTJOBS, and Careerbuilder. I applied to all the positions I thought I qualified for, but employers either never got back to me, had me out on an interview and never got back to me, or said my skill set was too old (my last os at the time was OS/390 and they were looking for z/OS) It seemed to me that employers had no idea what they wanted and therefore passed over individuals that did not meet their buzz words. I finally got a job because the person that hired me was a friend I had known for over 10 years. And the position was one I would not normally have accepted, Contractor working as an application development support person creating tools to make appl pgmrs lives better. But it was a job. I later was offered a full time sysprog job doing z/OS System programming. That was due to the hiring manager knowing what he wanted and what skills would work. So in my opinion - it is not from a lack of trying but that the hiring personnel do not know what they are looking for. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:07:57 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
My suspicion: because they are
unwilling or unable to relocate to where the jobs are, or they want moving
living expenses paid by an unwilling prospective employer.
I would ask this of the group. Is there anyone who works in an area
where it would be easy to find a new job as a sysprog?
I hope it's not because they don't use online services like monster.com
where 328 mainframe system programmer jobs are listed (some of which are
not really sysprog jobs).
I was unemployed for six months and I did use Monster, Dice and
others. What I found was a very small number of sysprog jobs.
The vast majority of mainframe system programmer postings were
for programmers, and not necessarily on mainframes. Furthermore,
for every real job, there are several postings: one (usually) by
the company with the opening and many more by headhunters and
contracting companies. And some of them seem to be trial balloons.
There were several that I applied to and received no response at
all, even though the same job remained posted for the entire time
that I was out. In one case, it was a company with which I am
quite familiar and I had very good references within the company.
At the same time, there seemed to be lots of openings for Java,
C++, and C# programmers, as well as Oracle and DB2 applications
programmers. There alse seemed to be plenty of positions for
PC and Unix sys admins.
Tom Marchant
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Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler While I was out of work for 18 months, I used MONSTER, HOTJOBS, and Careerbuilder. I applied to all the positions I thought I qualified for, but employers either never got back to me, had me out on an interview and never got back to me, or said my skill set was too old (my last os at the time was OS/390 and they were looking for z/OS) Another codeword one might encounter is overqualified, especially if one is beyond a certain age -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel A. McLaughlin Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again) What gets me about the MF job situation is reading some of the postings. You must be able to build it, tune it, program it, repair it, and so on. Then, while you have nothing else to do, support a server world as well. And they want YOU to pay THEM for the privilege -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
And they want YOU to pay THEM for the privilege Case in point. Recruiting firm tried to lure me by calling my wife since it was close to her hometown. Company offer: $15k paycut, a check for $5k to move my house from one state to another. Nope Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers.
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
I apply to almost every real systems programmer job posted on Monster, careerbuilder, and Dice, which on average is about 3 jobs a week. Most places, you never hear from. So far I've had one out of town interview. There are systems progammer jobs out there, but there must be a lot of people applying for each job. I am willing to move almost anywhere in the US, and if I have to I would pay my own moving expenses. I've been off work for almost 6 months now. By the way, the vast majority of jobs when searching for Systems Programmer are not what we think of as systems programmers. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again) On Tuesday, 10/17/2006 at 11:04 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why are there so mainframe types unemployed? I have asked myself the same question. My suspicion: because they are unwilling or unable to relocate to where the jobs are, or they want moving living expenses paid by an unwilling prospective employer. I hope it's not because they don't use online services like monster.com where 328 mainframe system programmer jobs are listed (some of which are not really sysprog jobs). Add the results of mainframe system administrator and the number rises. Unfortunately the employers don't consistently use the same phrase for the same job. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
-snip Eric N. Bielefeld wrote: I apply to almost every real systems programmer job posted on Monster, careerbuilder, and Dice, which on average is about 3 jobs a week. Most places, you never hear from. So far I've had one out of town interview. There are systems progammer jobs out there, but there must be a lot of people applying for each job. I am willing to move almost anywhere in the US, and if I have to I would pay my own moving expenses. I've been off work for almost 6 months now. By the way, the vast majority of jobs when searching for Systems Programmer are not what we think of as systems programmers. unsnip-- I suspect that most, if not all, HR staffs are woefully ignorant of the vast variety of titles used to describe mainframe-related positions. That was CERTAINLY true of my organization. As in most other mainframe computing endeavors, a good set of standards and job descriptions related to each title would do much to reduce the confusion. Cheer up, Eric; I've been off for over two years. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
Well, it used to be an exclusive profession until something happened... today, we can enjoy the company of the clickers / twitchers and the tamagotchis. I have not seen an advertisement in Europe for a classic z/OS - z/VM - z/Linux - CICS systems person without Websphere / Java / Tamagotchi bolt-on requirement since the early 2000's. Call it a sea-change or whatever, I cannot see things improving, despite IBM's University initiative etc. - too late. SUN have been there (The uni's) years before IBM. JC On Wed, October 18, 2006 17:40, Eric N. Bielefeld wrote: I apply to almost every real systems programmer job posted on Monster, careerbuilder, and Dice, which on average is about 3 jobs a week. Most places, you never hear from. So far I've had one out of town interview. There are systems progammer jobs out there, but there must be a lot of people applying for each job. I am willing to move almost anywhere in the US, and if I have to I would pay my own moving expenses. I've been off work for almost 6 months now. By the way, the vast majority of jobs when searching for Systems Programmer are not what we think of as systems programmers. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee Wisconsin 414-475-7434 John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) Berninastrasse 9 8057 Zuerich Europe Telephone: +41 (0) 43 300 4602 Mobile:+41 (0) 79 207 3268 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.JDCassidy.net -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
On 18 Oct 2006 06:37:09 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lizette Koehler) wrote: It seemed to me that employers had no idea what they wanted and therefore passed over individuals that did not meet their buzz words. That is the case for virtually any technical job. I once got turned down for a job because I didn't have CoBOL 2 experience.I had lots of MVS CoBOL experience, but had worked most recently on a VAX using CoBOL which looked just like CoBOL 2. But usually, buzz word filtering is done before your resume gets a chance to be seen by anybody in IS. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
I suspect that most, if not all, HR staffs are woefully ignorant of the vast variety of titles used to describe mainframe-related positions. Its been a long time since I had to interview (I've been with Innovation 22 years) but I recall a few cases where I interviewed with a HR wonk who just had a list of keywords provided by the actual hiring manager (like z/OS) and didn't let you get any further if you didn't match (maybe you didn't get the interview even). In a case like that (e.g. OS/390 experience but not z/OS) it might be worth asking to interview with the actual hiring manager, who will hopefully realize that the two are closely related and the experience is applicable. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
I was unemployed for six months and I did use Monster, Dice and others. I used HOTJOBS (YAHOO [.ca]). But, what got me the job was saving my resumé as a web page (through HOTJOBS) and putting the URL in my e-mail sig. I never made reference to it, nor did I state in the sig that it was a resumé. Only one forum complained. They even claimed that I was responding with null content just to get the URL there. Anyways, somebody down in the US, who had lost contact with me, saw that URL in a posting. He forwarded it to my present employer. Within two weeks, I was working, again. One thing I noticed, though. Some of my knowledge was already out of date. HyperSwap, for example, was announced while I was out. When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
Another codeword one might encounter is overqualified, especially if one is beyond a certain age Except in the case where you are willing to take a large cut and may bail if something better come along, I have not found that to be the case in the mainframe world. As a matter of fact my (at the time) 23 years experience was the biggest selling point in getting this gig. Also, they said that, due to my 'maturity' (euphimism for advanced age[?]), the didn't require me to move to California, as long as I communicated (phone, e-mail, I/M, etc). When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
How can I get your job I had to move to South Carolina to get this gig. They will not even consider work at a distance. I asked my last boss if I could do full time work at home for the same salary I got here and they said no. So where is this wonderous, intellegent organization you work for, and do they need any more help??? Lizette ;-) As a matter of fact my (at the time) 23 years experience was the biggest selling point in getting this gig. Also, they said that, due to my 'maturity' (euphimism for advanced age[?]), the didn't require me to move to California, as long as I communicated (phone, e-mail, I/M, etc). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 3Q2006 Earnings: Mainframes Strong (Again)
How can I get your job Right place! Right time! I had to be down-sized and available at the right time. I had to move to South Carolina to get this gig. The main reason for the tele-commuting (from the office) is because I'm a Canadian working in their Canadian office. And, even with NAFTA, there are still quota restrictions. When I went down to Buffalo to interview and told US customs that's why I was going down, I got hassled about taking jobs away from hard working Americans. The fact that they were trying to fill it for a year was irrelevant. They will not even consider work at a distance. I asked my last boss if I could do full time work at home for the same salary I got here and they said no. I cannot work from home, except under special circumstances. But, the office is only a 20 minute bus ride from where I live. So where is this wonderous, intellegent organization you work for, and do they need any more help??? Head officed in California. They don't need SYSPROG/STORAGE/DBA types. Those functions are out-sourced. They need architecture/JOAT/coordination types with a strong BS-filter. The organisation is set up so that the service provider only does what is asked. They out-sourced so much, that nobody knew what to ask for. And, as most SP's, they are cutting back on expensive (experienced) staff, so we do a lot of review of new implementations. I have relied heavily on this server, CICS, RACF, due to the environment I'm in. But, I have tried to formulate my queries as: Where do I find DOC on ...? When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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So why are there so mainframe types unemployed? When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
