Re: How to Carbon Copy (Cc:) in Email from MVS?
In 0327319053108678.wa.lmburchcabq@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/14/2012 at 11:03 AM, Larry Burch lmbu...@cabq.gov said: Paul: Thanks for nothing! Other than refering to the RCPT TO: in the envelope as a header, Paul is correct. in the Bcc: construct What bcc construct. The bcc tag in the header is used in some e-mail clients to generate the correct RCPT TO: commands, but is not part of the SMTP routing mechanism. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Familiar
In m3mx40basm@garlic.com, on 06/18/2012 at 04:54 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: betatest for product was 1969 When did design start? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Familiar
In caarmm9qzhn7172t7zvtkpapp+qqkbdhzjxaaoyq5cztm_aj...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/18/2012 at 05:56 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: I don't know CICS, but HASP also used few of the available OS services. Here's an excerpt from a little 1970-ish course handbook (SR23-3697-0) that explains why, with some not so gentle jabs at the performance of the OS services. I'm sure many of the CICS reasons were similar: Some of the alleged reasons are bogus, and the excerpt leaves out an important legitimate reason ;-) The primary use of main storage in HASP is for buffering space for input/output purposes. These input/output purposes require that an Input/Output Block be associated with each segment of main storage No. In a similar fashion the Direct-Access Device Space Manager (DADSM) provides flexible and comprehensive services for normal job processing requirements but fails to meet the requirements of HASP in the following areas: The excerpt doesn't mention the DADSM overhead; HASP can allocate space in SPOOL much more quickly, even if the DADSM modules are resident. Since the unit-record Input/output units which the scheduler allocates to the jobs being processed in other partitions must be available for use by HASP, HASP must be responsible for the allocation of its own input/output units. No. The scheduler would not normally allocate unit record equipment to a user job except for PCP, and when it does, every other job must keep its hands off of it. Without HASP, unit record equipment is normally allocated to reader and writer tasks, not to user jobs. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Familiar
In 5581573438612873.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/18/2012 at 04:42 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Doesn't MFT stand for Multiprogramming with a Fixed number of Tasks? Don't confuse etymology with semantics. Not only did more recent releases of OS/360 support ATTACH for MFT, OS/360 also supported operator definition and deletion of partitions, so all that was fixed was the upper limit. The instant one does an ATTACH, doesn't the number of tasks change? Yes, just as many lefties are adroit and not sinister. (Or did MFT simulate ATTACH by dispatching an idle member of the fixed task pool?) I've never heard of a fixed task pool. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: installing serverpac for 1.13 using 1.11 system
In 0921302214459850.wa.jonboy644gmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/18/2012 at 09:03 AM, John Chase jonboy...@gmail.com said: The installation copy of the 1.13 root f/s that came with the Serverpac shows /etc and /var as directories, not symlinks, so perhaps we got a devective Serverpac? I suspect that what you refer to as the installation copy is the version file system. See 7.5.1 Creating the sysplex root file system and 7.5.4 Mounting the version file system in the planning manual. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ADRDSSU (was: IEBPTPCH questions)
In 5098408892869838.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/19/2012 at 09:22 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Would any responsible administrator unload a data set to an archive and grant read access to that archive to any user not having read access to the original data set? Have you never encountered an irresponsible administrator? Belt and surrenders. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ADRDSSU (was: IEBPTPCH questions)
In CAArMM9Tuco_MNbtQ5ZEg=uhy48ojk0gmk5ys-n3mvnvlxa2...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/19/2012 at 06:19 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: Well, then we're into the dangerous and powerful utilities auditor checklist again. IEFBR14 with the RC=0 fix? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IEBPTPCH questions
In 0096899832141155.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 06/19/2012 at 08:25 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: An unfortunate restriction of TSO TRANSMIT is that its output is not suitable for an instream data set. Why does that matter? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Calling idcams
In e52f4f44-5cae-479f-92cb-c156fdfa3...@yahoo.com, on 06/20/2012 at 10:46 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I am in the process of wanting to call idcams, principally, a define and delete alias function in Assembler. I have looked at IGGCSI00 and various examples, it doesn't appear I can use IGGCSI00 for this purpose. It's a search interface. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Why is GRS ENQ needed in SMFDUMP program?
In CAE1XxDFG9DZMu=+npbg4tc4pgc2wcydx2gnsrt8vnpke_qu...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/20/2012 at 02:36 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Anciently, under OS/PCP and OS/MFT, the Linkage Editor issued a RESERVE for the DASD volume on which the target PDS for its output load module resided in much the same circumstances. (It could not know in advance how much space it would need.) The ENQ[1] on SYSIEWL had nothing to do with the amount of space; it was there to protect the integrity of SYSLMOD. Why was the ENQ a RESERVE? Because there was no GRS. Since a PDS couldn't span volumes, the RESERVE protected the PDS from concurrent access both from the same system and from other systems. [1] RESERVE is just a special form of ENQ. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: COBOL 3.4 and LE Considerations questions
In 2a9e1363b91de94a874408de46f0b32daf44ad4...@cwm-ex-mbc-1.dcgov.priv, on 06/20/2012 at 03:19 PM, Myers, Edouard (OCTO) edouard.my...@dc.gov said: If I compile an Enterprise Cobol 3.4 module under a z/OS v1r11 system and its LE version can I run that same module on a z/OS V1R9 system with the 1.9 version of LE Or would I have to recompile it under z/OS V1R9 ? The rule has always been that you musy use a new library if you use a new compiler, and that your resident (bind/linkedit) library can't be newer than your transient (loaded at run time) library. That goes back way before LE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: convert Decimal to bytes
In e3bdb5aee89ab14caaf930af702759a409f...@exmbx2010-1.campus.mcgill.ca, on 06/20/2012 at 09:28 PM, Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca said: 1024 bytes = 1 Kilobyte Actually, 1000 bytes = 1 Kilobyte and 1024 bytes = 1 Kibibyte. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT but important Wall Street Journal article on Internet regulation
In ecj4u7dd2vt0gv0t30od9a27mqmbivg...@4ax.com, on 06/20/2012 at 07:29 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said: Would you think better of Crovitz if his quoting VINTON Cerf was transformed by me to his quoting VINCENT Cerf? No, because the error I commented on was in the original article. The World Wide Web is not the Internet. Agreed but the question still remains as to whether there should be concerns about reputed proposals for the ITU to be more involved with the Internet. The Devil is in the details. There's nothing wrong with the ITU being involved with developing standards, but it should certainly not be involved in enforcing local political prejudices. The censorship proposals would be equally bad if they came from, e.g., ICANN, IETF, W3C. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: convert Decimal to bytes
In cae1xxde8oowf8pdjqa0ypnyj0xahusade2sqqnfxvddv9ot...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/21/2012 at 04:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Since he probably has a PC he could of course use the Windows calculator. What if he's not running wiondoze on his PC? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Why is GRS ENQ needed in SMFDUMP program?
In CAE1XxDHCLFzEm2DQ8i_rc3PA9tP=JKa576L=2j0uQ=kp9k6...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/22/2012 at 09:16 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: I have reviewed Shmuel's language, and it still seems to me that he was equating a hardware RESERVE with an ENQ macro, Try a remedial reading course. My problem with Shmuel's posts is that they are often contentious for trhe sake of contention, PKB. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Why is GRS ENQ needed in SMFDUMP program?
In 67102dbd-8232-47d1-88be-9b62c0715...@comcast.net, on 06/25/2012 at 03:33 AM, Dale Miller dalelmil...@comcast.net said: You might call the RESERVE macro a special form of ENQ, but the actual reserve was a hardware feature on DASD. There is no the actual reserve; there is a RESERVE macro and a reserve CCW opcode. Neither is a hardware feature on DASD. There were shared DASD options in the OS and on the DASD controller, but neither was called reserve. For the last few decades there's also been the issue of multiple allegiance. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SV: Why is GRS ENQ needed in SMFDUMP program?
In bay145-w28ad40f15a4f1654e89483a3...@phx.gbl, on 06/25/2012 at 09:25 AM, J R jayare...@hotmail.com said: The RESERVE macro did (still does?) not directly do the hardware reserve. Rather, it set a bit in the UCB to tell the next IO to the unit to prepend a reserve CCW to the channel program. That was the original design, but these days there's an option to issue an I/O with a reserve CCW at the time that the ENQ SVC issued by the RESERVE macro obtains the resource. I don't recall what release added the option. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The Truth Will Set You Free -- on Destination z
In 4fedf3c7.7010...@gabegold.com, on 06/29/2012 at 02:28 PM, Gabe Goldberg g...@gabegold.com said: The Truth Will Set You Free http://destinationz.org/Mainframe-Solution/Business-Case/The-Truth-Will-Set-You-Free.aspx The ensemble limit of 8 is only relevant to sharing Intel and POWER workloads; a sysplex can be bigger. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea0115baa1...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 06/28/2012 at 07:44 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: My personal desire would be something akin to ISPF available from a z/OS UNIX shell If IBM were willing, the ISPF WSA would be a good start. and maybe the TSO dependant parts would work properly in an IKJTSOEV environment. Why bother? Run the z/OS side in a batch job running IKJEFT01. And for simple editing, I prefer vim or gvim. De gustibus. I prefer SPF for editing PC files. but at least you're using vim and gvim rather than vi ;-) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: release SYSOUT for a running STC
In caluepdg0d1-zceg9dlbgpienh5oevxdqp1ldgsjjog+ar0n...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/28/2012 at 09:29 AM, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com said: I wonder if there is a way to release a specific sysout DD for a running STC? Assuming that you want a solution in the STC code rather than in the JCL, use SETPRT DISP=SCHEDULE. If the DD has FREE=CLOSE, DISP=EXTERNAL will also work. the main idea is to free some of the space which a specific STC is holding while avoiding restarting the STC. For JES2 you must ensure that the dataset has its own IOT. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: HELP WITH PCOM - PASTE OPTION NOT WORKING CORRECTLY
In 2f5ebb4a2535bf478a8605e1b5e119c332f56...@nwt-s-mbx2.rocketsoftware.com, on 06/28/2012 at 05:25 PM, Steve Bireley sbire...@rocketsoftware.com said: Many people want their 3270 emulator to act like a word processor : ). What does act like a word processor mean. Depending on the answer, some 3270 displays *do* act like a word processor. ;-) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: COBOL 3.4 and LE Considerations questions
In vnetibm.20120628210314.7...@bldgate.vnet.ibm.com, on 06/28/2012 at 01:47 PM, Tom Ross tmr...@stlvm20.vnet.ibm.com said: This was changed quite a few years ago, when customers realized that the LE release was tied to the OS release, and they were running with newer releases in development systems compared to production systems. It is now fully supported to compile and link with z/OS release X and run on z/OS release X-1 or X-2. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/features/lang_environment/whatsnew/down.html Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: release SYSOUT for a running STC
In 99ab43dc-4e6d-42ea-9433-e0e02f33f...@yahoo.com, on 06/29/2012 at 11:28 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: Someone mentioned in a previous post about SPIN and FREE...is this a vendor STC or in house written? No. FREE=CLOSE et al have been standard JCL for ages. But does the OP want something in JCL or something in the STC itself? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: release SYSOUT for a running STC
In caluepdh0cuszsusbuzhhtvkh-agnzegolynk6lhdbaueyea...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/02/2012 at 10:27 AM, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com said: The DD I want to relese is a TDQ written to a DD - so I cant control the PGM nor the JCL. Then you can spin off segments[1] for early printing or archiving, but I don't know how to reclaim the SPOOL space. [1] $T for JES2; I don't know the JES3 command. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown
In 24ed21e9-0ebc-42b6-af26-5e07aa72c...@yahoo.com, on 07/02/2012 at 12:51 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: This industry is tough enough without a language barrier. Add the language barrier it gets down right ugly. I've worked with competent people with a language barrier. I've worked with incompetent people who spoke flawless English. I'll take the competent people with a language barrier, TYVM. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The Truth Will Set You Free -- on Destination z
In 4ff12fdc.2010...@gabegold.com, on 07/02/2012 at 01:21 AM, Gabe Goldberg g...@gabegold.com said: Sysplex ensemble. Il va sans dire. The point is that an ensemble is not the largest unit of coordinated z boxes that IBM supports. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown
In CAE1XxDEzxDZ4YJ3iJHU4TqXk34Cvp2J3ysWA0ese=1scde0...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/02/2012 at 05:33 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: John Reid has reminded us all of a generic weakness in the way we TINW. do things. I don't know about you, but when I install a new system I test it, have an SME test it or both. Comprehensive IVPs have all but disappeared; That's a problem for a new system, but for an upgrade you should already have a regression test. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Quantas hit by leap second issue?
In caarmm9qdhnpyad88a2mdyztdyzmvhf_iloxkk3d5y8sjkxt...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/03/2012 at 12:02 AM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: Since native* English words do not contain q without an immediately following u, one might reasonably suggest that QANTAS indeed be pronounced Kantas, by analogy with recently borrowed words like qat, which no one but the naif turn into quat, and which often have alternative spelling in k. Some of the common schemes for transliterating Atabic and Hebrew use a Q for a consonant that is pronounced K, e.g., Qatar, Qoheleth. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Sad News About Rick Fochtman
In 1599538529031849.wa.mkkhan88hotmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/02/2012 at 08:07 AM, Mohammad Khan mkkha...@hotmail.com said: My call was answered by his brother who informed me that Rick passed away on Friday of natural causes. We'll miss him. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PCOMM copy-paste (quite another issue)
In 2f5ebb4a2535bf478a8605e1b5e119c332f5d...@nwt-s-mbx2.rocketsoftware.com, on 07/02/2012 at 03:26 PM, Steve Bireley sbire...@rocketsoftware.com said: True that they are not unique to APL and is a code page issue. However, some of the lines drawn on 3270 screens in many emulators are drawn using an APL font instead of Unicode or some other code page. I doubt that it's an APL font; TEXT is more likely. Page 437 is more likely than either. In this case, if the emulator does not convert them to another character set or code page when putting the text in the clipboard, then the PC application receiving the data will display the corresponding characters using the character set it has loaded. That's an issue regardless of what code page it is using. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Quantas hit by leap second issue?
In CAE1XxDFdGi5uieWxxeXJErugkjVB0A0-fb=wi6ft1e=gtug...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/03/2012 at 09:31 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: begin extract By the way you mean Homophone not Homonym. The former are words that sound alike but are spelled differently while the latter are words that mean the same thing but are spelled/pronounced differently. There are also words that are spelled the same but have different meanings and pronunciations (although I forget the term for this case) such as in Please read this book which I have already read. /end extract Mr. Rosenberg's position is not devoid of merit. He started out right but then got turned around. Homonyms are words that are spelled the same but mean something *different*; he was confusing homonym with synonym. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PCOMM copy-paste (quite another issue)
In 5949005395636248.wa.alanaltmarkus.ibm@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/05/2012 at 09:19 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com said: Fidelity in copy/paste requires that both applications know what they're doing with the clipboard. Of course. Default locale for Western Windows assumes code page 1252. But not even DOS code page 437 has all of the APL characters in it, No; see, e.g. GA27-2749-9, IBM 3270 Information Display Station, Figure E-2 on p. E-4. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Online 3270 manual? [was: RE: PCOMM copy-paste (quite another issue)]
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c21e5b12...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 07/09/2012 at 10:55 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: The replacement manual for the -10 edition, GA23-0060-0, which bitsavers does have, seems to have only pages E1 and E2. At least, there is no figure E2 present. It seems to be D-2 in that manual. There's a much more recent manual that lists all of the available keyboards and character sets, but I don't recall its name or number. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM System Storage Channel Command Reference?
In acae6e9bdf980c47bc9ed5bc1c0e34f30e208...@hqpwp553.calpers.ca.gov, on 07/11/2012 at 09:01 PM, Starr, Alan alan_st...@calpers.ca.gov said: Can somebody provide me with a URL or publication number for the manual that describes the MVS (CKD) channel commands supported by the IBM System Storage DS8000? First, they're not specific to MVS. Second, it's been a long time since IBM has disclosed the details of all new channel commands for their DASD. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: VTAMAPPL PGM
In CALuePdi533-C8m=OkPj9H=fbso1igwq6d0zarhm2lyc_06l...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/11/2012 at 03:02 PM, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com said: Is there any equivalent program so I can use in order to start a STC automatically on IPL (except the COMMNDxx) ? Is there a current version of TSSO on the CBT tape? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Online 3270 manual? [was: RE: PCOMM copy-paste (quite another issue)]
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c21e5bd2...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 07/12/2012 at 09:27 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: Thank you. Thank you for prompting me to do a search that lead me to a much more usefull source ;-) http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/i/software/globalization/codepages.html -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Show the //SYSIN DD * lines when using TYPRUN=SCAN?
In 6700504004248585.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/12/2012 at 10:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: TYPRUN=SCAN's checking is a bad joke. IIRC, it fails to report errors as fundamental as DSNAME 44 characters. Is that true in JES3 or only in JES2? That particular error should be caught be the Interpreter, which JES2 does not invoke until the job is selected for execution. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Relationship of C signals to z/OS terminology?
In CAArMM9TAObiJu1BvHCumRYfGXvyo+=ccm-_4tzcd0itldx6...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/13/2012 at 12:43 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: FORCE is most certainly not just a stronger form of CANCEL He may be thinking of FORCE ARM. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: COBOL packed decimal
In 5001ef16.8000...@t-online.de, on 07/15/2012 at 12:13 AM, Bernd Oppolzer bernd.oppol...@t-online.de said: I don't think that there is any cultural or philosophical difference between mainframe or distributed/workstation developers, given the same number of years of experience and skill etc. - I know hundreds of them - both species, and I myself am doing - and teaching - both. You don't see a difference in attitude towards, e.g., code and design reviews, regression testing? Are you including the attitudes of management or only those of the worker bees? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: COBOL packed decimal
In CAE1XxDE7yYDyoQaTGFNhxp1tSiVHnK+i8GTQptXD6=8bgfh...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/14/2012 at 08:08 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Integer arithmetic should never be done with anything but binary integers. Your reasoning is correct for two's complement machines, e.g., z, but is incorrect in general. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek
In of481ed85f.720f607e-on48257a3d.00242269-48257a3d.0026c...@us.ibm.com, on 07/16/2012 at 03:03 PM, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com said: Yahoo! Mail -- the Web version -- *still* does not use HTTPS for most communications AFAIK. For example, if you're using a free wi-fi hotspot at a coffee shop, and you access Yahoo! Mail via their Web interface, practically everything except your login credentials flows in the clear. A fairly unsophisticated attacker can intercept that traffic and spoof your browser -- and access all your e-mail -- for up to 7 calendar days (the default timeout). Are you still using Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) or something more modern, e.g., Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA)? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Email formatting (was: Yahoo Password Breach ...)
In 4330217043601718.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/17/2012 at 11:33 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: There's too much DWIM in that convention No, there's too much DWYTIM[1] and not enough DWIM. I'd settle for DWITYTDADTTSGM[2]. I hate it when such busybody mailers corrupt my UNIX path names I refer to such software as Mollie Malones: She died of a faever, from which none could save her, and that was the end of sweet Mollie Malone [1] Do what you thought I mean. [2] Do what I told you to do and don't try to second guess me. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c21e5c49...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 07/17/2012 at 12:04 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: t SHOULD NOT be necessary to have considerable statistical prowess or have access to DCOLLECT output (which most normal application programmers DO NOT HAVE) or to have access to a statistical package like MXG or any other such beast in order to answer simple questions like does machine X have enough CPU horsepower to run YYY instances of program ZZZ at the same time? or how much CPU and elapsed time will the new changes in program ZZZ consume when moved into production?. These are questions that a normally skilled professional application programmer ought to be able to provide a reasonable answer to -- but we cannot, because it depends Yes, and the second law of thermodynamics is unfair. The universe is what it is. I'm not advocating a return to the single-non-pipelined CPU days of yore, just for SOMEONE (not me since I am obviously not qualified) to come up with a REPEATABLE way to measure a program's real performance with only one or two production-level test runs. You may not be advocating it, but that's what it would take. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek
In 886132E644ECAE808EED6EEFA317@graham, on 07/17/2012 at 11:15 AM, Graham Hobbs gho...@cdpwise.net said: When someone uses the underscores between some words .. what does that mean? Underscore. ITYM when somebody uses underscore *around* a word. In that case it means the same as underscoring the word, a form of emphasis. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek
In ofae475794.d0761284-on48257a3e.001cb9f7-48257a3e.001fa...@us.ibm.com, on 07/17/2012 at 01:45 PM, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com said: Most coffee shops, hotels, etc. still don't use encrypted wi-fi. Bletch! I'd better check what my local library uses, if anything. 3. The Internet is a public, untrusted network. Alas, it is a public, untrustworthy network that is nonetheless trusted by all too many. Such as Yahoo :-( -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: REXX ISPF edit FIND failing
In 9b26bc6a6df52d4483dd73b1fe7b4b0658b83d6...@uspho-mxvs07.amer.thermo.com, on 07/18/2012 at 10:37 AM, Hardee, Chuck chuck.har...@thermofisher.com said: Uh, I don't think so. You're thinking CLIST not REXX. I doubt it. What he wrote was 'The problem is that ISPF/ISREDIT evaluates/substitutes any ISPF variable, which in this case is PDQR.', which does not refer to either CLIST or REXX variables. Try adding the statement: PDQR=A To set the ISPF variable PDQR from REXX he needs to dreop the ampersand: PDQR=A You will see in the trace that PDQR was not substituted. In what trace? The REXX trace is not relevant to substitutions performed by ISPF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: COBOL packed decimal
In 9307538697441482.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/19/2012 at 09:22 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Is this because Unisys is deficient in conformance to the standard, or because IBM's implementation contains an extension to the standard? No, it's because UNIVAC used ones complement arithmetic on most of its lines, Including the 1108 et al that Unisys inherited. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: REXX ISPF edit FIND failing
In ofc799207c.54ac2d90-on88257a40.004f10aa-88257a40.004f4...@ea.epson.com, on 07/19/2012 at 07:25 AM, John Mattson john_matt...@ea.epson.com said: Shmuel ! A previous reply also suggested SCAN OFF. I tried it, Did you try it with your original FIND, or with the FIND that used picture? Please look at the example I sent before and try it yourself. Alas, I don't have access to a z system. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Yahoo Password Breach: 7 Lessons Learned - Security - Attacks/breaches - Informationweek
In ofbece3590.44f08adb-on48257a41.002f9ff5-48257a41.00320...@us.ibm.com, on 07/20/2012 at 05:06 PM, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com said: I'm not sure I understand the question, There is support for mapping long user ids into short user ids. Does that support work if the access validation is in a third party LDAP server? 1. Unaided, TSO/E supports up to 7 character user IDs. Yes, otherwise there would have been no need to ask the question. 2. Note that you are not required to use TSO/E user IDs as user IDs. You are if you want to log on to TSO foreground, which is what I asked about. 3. TSO/E is a part of z/OS, but most people who use z/OS these days probably aren't using TSO/E. But I explicitly asked about TSO. 5. You can place practically anything you wish in front of TSO/E in a variety of ways to provide additional security challenges before granting access to TSO/E. But can you still remap userids if you do? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Debug SVC
In 1342772932.49603.yahoomail...@web171502.mail.ir2.yahoo.com, on 07/20/2012 at 09:28 AM, Costin Enache e_cos...@yahoo.com said: Please assist a poor soul into finding a way to debug SVC (supervisor call interrupt) handlers. There is a major difference between the SVC interrupt handler and an interrupt routine. You really don't want to mess with the former at all, and you shouldn't mess with the latter until you understand the SVC types and have some experience writing privileged code. I am still learning HLASM and debugging stuff on 390, Then I recommend that you start with unprivileged code. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: COBOL packed decimal
In c4c6c378-b640-43a1-88d5-7c79f3bf0...@yahoo.com, on 07/20/2012 at 08:08 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: Who did the inherit the 1108 from ? My dad worked for Unisys on the 1108sdude Unisys was a merger of Burroughs and UNIVAC; They kept the B6500 line from Burroughs and the 1100[1] line from UNIVAC. [1] The 1108, 1110, 1106 and successors; not the 1103 or 1105. I'm not sure whether you want to count the 1107 as part of that line, but it was certainly the father of the 1108. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: COBOL packed decimal
In 1342898015.24312.yahoomail...@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com, on 07/21/2012 at 12:13 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I wasnt sure if the 1108 had come from RCA or Buroughs The 1108 dates back to the old Remington-Rand or Sperry Rand, not to the RCA EDP acquisition. It's possible that Unisys picked up the RCA Spectra 70, but that's a very different series. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: re-entrant modules and the binder
In CAE1XxDE+7LU3kKQt2pEgJVyNR2U7-=st1ejzi9abaxyuavr...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/22/2012 at 09:12 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Specifying the RENT option when you assemble your HLASM subroutines instructs the HLASM to check your code for non-reentrant constructs, and it finds many but not quite all of them. The RENT option actually flags things that appear to not be read-only rather than reentrancy violations, and has some false positives. The option is useful, you you still must run IEBIBALL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: COBOL packed decimal
In f031d213-4695-4551-bd15-96e97b8d8...@yahoo.com, on 07/22/2012 at 11:29 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I was aware of the hardware on the machines, since my late father was a FE on them. Didn't really know anything about the opsys or programming languages. There were two OS's; EXEC 2 derived from the OS on the 1107 and EXEC 8 was new. AFAIK the current Unisys software for the line is derived only from EXEC 8. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message
In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29123249662...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 07/22/2012 at 07:26 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: Couldn't CP PVMSG send something that automation could pick up? What if you're not running z/VM? Does the CP in PR/SM support PVMSG? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IGGCSI to retrieve tape volume serial
In 3222468561495810.wa.victorworkcnyahoo.com...@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/23/2012 at 04:41 AM, Victor Zhang victor_wor...@yahoo.com.cn said: But I can't find how to locate number of extents for a non-vsam dataset. The data are not in the catalog; use OBTAIN. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IGGCSI to retrieve tape volume serial
In 9538009122010217.wa.victorworkcnyahoo.com...@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/23/2012 at 08:41 AM, Victor Zhang victor_wor...@yahoo.com.cn said: Can I interpret this to get non-vsam used or allocated size? No. DSCBTTR TTR of format-1 DSCB for non-VSAM data set You can use it in an OBTAIN. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message
In 245275432281.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/23/2012 at 03:55 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: As I stated initially, one of my motives was portability. In a conventional UNIX system, processes needn't register to receive SIGTERM. In a conventional Unix system, applications are written to expect SIGTERM. That is not the case in z/OS. Likewise, it should be unnecessary in z/OS UNIX (USS). It's not necessary in Unformatted System Services. It is necessary in z/OS that you not arbitrarily terminated all of the address spaces that have been dubbed. Given the behavior of SIGTERM, it is not appropriate to use it as a global shutdown mechanism for address spaces that are not expecting it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Authorized Rexx Assembler Function
In 6efdefc7-f5c2-48b9-ba6f-8b0b41b99...@googlegroups.com, on 07/23/2012 at 07:35 PM, Garry G. Green garryg.gr...@yahoo.com said: Of particular interest is how APF is handled in a TSO environment. Note that TSO in the free MVS did not have the parallel TMP, so ISPF could not depend on the authorized call list. At that time, if IKJEFT02 were asked to run a program on the APF list, it would (somehow) APF authorize itself and run the program. There was no Parallel TMP at the time. Wasn't the authorized CALL facility part of the original TSO Command Package, the main predecessor to TSO/E? Could not ISPF invoke a CALL 'SYS1.LINKLIB(IEBCOPY)'? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
In E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C4765@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local, on 07/24/2012 at 12:19 PM, David Stokes sto...@interchip.de said: Yeah, right. Much better to restrict it to government and corporations who never abuse things. That's your proposal, not mine, TYVM. What would have been better would have been a planned transition that included the same type of oversight that ARPA and NSF had with regard to network abuse. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
In 500ec8bf.5020...@acm.org, on 07/24/2012 at 11:09 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: That certainly would have been nice, but I'm not convinced anyone at the time understood the potential scope of those problems, They understood enough to warn against it, whether or not they understood how bad it would be. much less would have been seriously motivated to have come up with a technical solution It's not a technical problem, it's a managerial and political problem. The virus vulnerability (and number of spambots and DOS attack bots) on the Internet is much more a function of the Operating Systems of the user nodes connected to the Internet than of the Internet itself. It's the predictable result of not cutting off providers that tolerate abuse and compromised systems. But does anyone think MS would have had any inclination to harden their Windows designs and reduce virus vulnerability if they were not forced to do it by problems made evident by connecting Windows systems to the Internet? Are you agreeing with me? Because forcing providers to drop compromised clients would have forced M$ to clean up its act. Even motivated by that pressure What pressure? They had no economic incentive to fix the problems. In hindsight we can now see things that should have been done better, but I doubt if much of that would have been obvious without our experience with the current Internet. It was obvious at the time, although nobody publicly predicted just how bad it would get. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
In cae1xxdher2jjpx0cyzr+ku8g-6afdj7n4q13ww7g+jbe-hx...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/24/2012 at 04:09 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: The scientific community made early and significant use of the DARPA predecessor of today's Internet, and almost none of the problems that afflict us today emerged during that period. There was no money to be made by chicanery, and little of it therefore occurred. The reason that there was no money to be made was that ARPA and later NSF would cut you off at the knees if you tried. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: REXX ISPF edit FIND failing
In 9251321842665626.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/24/2012 at 10:39 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: And remembering that Rexx considers lower case characters special. Not quite, but the default value of an uninitialized variable is the upper case name. Do these have different semantics? No; ISREDIT will recognize the extraneous ISREDIT command and process the remainder of the string. However, these have the same semantics: Address ISREDIT foo Address ISREDIT foo If ISPF assumes that an ampersand in a command string has special meaning to the scripting language It doesn't. '(L) = LINE' ILine Is this yet another convention? Yes. Is it not sufficient? Not with current ISPF syntax. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
In E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C4A24@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local, on 07/25/2012 at 12:25 PM, David Stokes sto...@interchip.de said: No. Starting ten years lat(t)er is your concept, not mine Well no, not mine. I wasn't responding to you here. Well, you were responding to Joel C. Ewing who in turn was responding to me, but I don't see anything in his text remotely close to your In other words, if everything had happened ten years later we would now be around the same point we were 10 years ago. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
In E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C49FF@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local, on 07/25/2012 at 12:21 PM, David Stokes sto...@interchip.de said: One really has to ask however what exactly In an anarchic fashion that opened us up to all sorts of network abuse. actually means It means not pulling the plug on abusers. or what the proposed solution would actually look like. ARPAnet and NSFnet, with a much larger set of nodes. Of course it's easily to refer to something like a planned transition that included the same type of oversight... without giving any hint of what it really means. But it's difficult to force people to pay attention to the hints, and it's easy for them to pretend that they weren't there. What is and who decides what is abuse, then? I would have been happy for it to continue to be NSF, but InterNIC was the obvious candidate. I see basically two possibilities, Look farther. Is that then what you are actually hoping for? Are you bank robber? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea0115baa1...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 07/25/2012 at 08:02 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: What, no mention of CP/M-86? It never had enough market share; DR-DOS would be more likely. And you totally ignored things like the Amiga. Did either Amiga or Atari have enough market share to count? I also ignored NeXT, which might have caught on. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
In E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C4CA6@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local, on 07/26/2012 at 09:47 AM, David Stokes sto...@interchip.de said: Yes, well, I'm sure Wrong! and Lol! and are you a troll (not to mention look farther and are you (a) bankrobber) Sigh! Humor is such a subjective thing. Google for sarcasm. You asked an off the wall question (Is that then what you are actually hoping for?) and I responded in kind. If you don't like leading questions then don't ask them. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
In CAE1XxDGmMk8nKK=xkjinenh0qjhxaytmb_wvxi2w4vus+an...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/26/2012 at 01:58 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: I also grow weary of complaints about my notionally 'exotic' vocabulary. This term once had a precise meaning. (Signage annoucing efforts at 'exotic plant control' in Hawaii's state and national parks preserve it.) Its subliterate use has converted it into a vague synonym for strange or non-standard. Strange as it may seem, I actually agree with you one that. We (TINW) don't need Fun With Dick and Jane. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Some IBM internet IP addresses changing on 26 Aug 2012
In 2l301898lcsfh0l746t31qqovcfe36b...@4ax.com, on 07/25/2012 at 12:25 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said: Why should customers have to be aware of this? Presumably firewall issues. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is it possible to open a ZIP file with PAX?
In CAPtSOKyrh+P_tbZ0svTJKPgguERk4STJ1WK9Ku=5hqw5aks...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/26/2012 at 12:24 PM, Bill Ashton bill00ash...@gmail.com said: or does anyone have any other suggestions? Info-zip -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
In CAE1XxDH=2+e+p2ag55ykgtwlc+ttbptqvrzv8iunhoaxpzg...@mail.gmail.com, on 07/27/2012 at 10:34 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Paul Gilmartin is almost right. Both the reader and the punch read and punched what they were presented with. What is that supposed to mean? Bit 2 of the CCW opcode selected whether to read/punch EBCDIC or column binary. Sometimes it was BCD. Not on any S/360 unit-record device. Sometimes it was EBCDIC. Under programmer control. Sometimes, e.g., for object modules, it was 'column binary'. No S/360 operating system used column binary for object decks. I don't recall whether SOS, FMS and IBSYS used column binary or row binary on the earlier 704, 709, 704x and 709x. Hard as it may be to do so, let's also try to avoid 'punch card', using 'punched card' instead. Why? It is a card that you can punch holes in, but it is not punched when you initially take it out of the box. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Some IBM internet IP addresses changing on 26 Aug 2012
In d62518tlvl2c80hjdjfkc5lqmc5icg9...@4ax.com, on 07/27/2012 at 09:27 AM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said: I would agree so that is why I question the changing of IP addresses. Are you saying that you don't see why there might be a need to reconfigure firewalls after changing if IPv4 addresses? If it was from V4 to V6, Changing from one IPv4 address to another is enough to potentially raise firewall issues. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Top posting
In 1343549987.5014f22372...@postoffice.tpg.com.au, on 07/29/2012 at 06:19 PM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au said: Might I request the luminaries of the list perhaps indulge those of us unfortunate enough to be using the (severely crippled) web interface and *top post* in replies ?. Please don't; top posting makes it difficult to associate pieces of the response with pieces of the original message. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Top posting
In 50155783.2090...@actionsoftware.com, on 07/29/2012 at 11:32 AM, Gord Tomlin gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com said: While there is an RFC (I'm not going to hunt for the number on a Sunday) that specifies that bottom posting is correct, More precisely, it specifies that a response follow the text being responded to and that you not quote text you are not responding to. A better term might be interspersed bottom posting. When reading a thread in order, bottom posting requires the reader to scroll past what has already been written. The standard Internet posting style is to quote each snippet that you are responding to and to follow it with the response, not quoting anything else. If you do that, then the reader can see the context without scrolling through large amounts of extraneous material. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
In 45fcfbbb8bc8eb4a9dfedc6fa2cc7fdf17f90...@sdkmbx02.emea.sas.com, on 07/30/2012 at 09:28 AM, Lindy Mayfield lindy.mayfi...@sas.com said: For me, punched card isn't quite as easy to pronounce as punch card, but I have some difficulties saying iced tea. Perhaps ice' tea would be more a more accurate representation. I don't see it; iced tea is tea that already has ice cubes in it, or at least has already been cooled, not tea that you intend to ice. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Top posting
In 8693414129914945.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/30/2012 at 05:48 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: Just curious, while I agree 100% with what you wrote, where is that standard written? I seem to recall that in a previous thread, that standard was mentioned, but could not find it. The first place I'd look is http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
In 8848452157165904.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/30/2012 at 09:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Was that uniformly true? Was what universally true. I don't know of any S/360 card equipment that used nonstandard CCW opcodes for read and punch. If you're extending it to any other product line then all bets are off. In particular, there were devices that did only column binary or only row binary. I don't recall whether column binary on the 2501 and 2540 was a standard feature or a priced option. I'm pretty sure it was standard on the 3505. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rexx Exec Help Desperately Sought!
In 5271902217232606.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/31/2012 at 10:55 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: Using your posted example, try this (using only one parameter): EX 'SYS2.LOCAL.CLIST(XMITIP)' 'TM#T.M.XMITIP.PARMCARD.userid' Assuming that he replaces userid with the userid, that's correct if he wants prefixing. Otherwise he must write EX 'SYS2.LOCAL.CLIST(XMITIP)' '''TM#T.M.XMITIP.PARMCARD.userid''' If SYS2.LOCAL.CLIST is in SYSPROC then I'd recommend avoiding the extra apostrophes by doing %XMITIP 'TM#T.M.XMITIP.PARMCARD.userid' -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rexx Exec Help Desperately Sought!
In
CAApqkjt47TQe2TfmFTC5dwgfaHJAwF4s=DUec9fRXgnm3M=2...@mail.gmail.com,
on 07/31/2012
at 11:32 AM, George Rodriguez
george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org said:
I'm trying to execute XMITIP
Is it in your SYSPROC or SYSEXEC?
EX 'SYS2.LOCAL.CLIST(XMITIP)' how and what do I say here... I'm very
bad with syntax and when to use a single or double quote...
The REXX rules that you need to know are:
1. A statement containing only an expression call the
default environment[1] with the value of the expression.
2. You may use either apostrophe (') or quote () to delimit
constants. If the constant contains an instance of that
delimiter, you must double it, e.g., 'don''t'. I prefer to use
the alternate delimiter in such cases to avoid the doubling,
e.g., don't, 'this () is a quote'.
3. If you separate two expressions with spaces, that is equivalent
to concatenating them with a single separating space.
4. If you abut a constant with an expression, that is equivalent
to concatenating them.
5. If you aren't trapping NOVALUE, REXX evaluates an uninitialized
simple[2] variable as its name in upper case.
You also need to understand TSO parsing. The second parameter to EXEC
must be quoted with apostrophes, forcing you to double any apostrophes
within that parameter. If XMITIP is in SYSEXEC or SYSPROC then I
advise you to call it directly, not with EXEC. Assuming that TM#T is
the HLQ, the variable user contains the userid and that
SYS2.LOCAL.CLIST is in SYSEXEC, I'd write something[3] like
'%XMITIP' 'TM#T.M.XMITIP.PARMCARD.user'
Note that I used so I wouldn't have to double the '.
[1] In your case, TSO.
[2] The rules are more complicated for compound variables.
[3] I'm assuming that XMITIP takes a dsn as its first parameter
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Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
In 77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca343415c6...@nwt-s-mbx2.rocketsoftware.com, on 07/30/2012 at 08:32 PM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com said: but I have heard data is my whole life when listening to conversational English (not Latin), find data are to sound strange, While I cringe when I hear item of data instead of the shorter and clearer datum. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Authorized Rexx Assembler Function
In 50176649.9050...@gmail.com, on 07/31/2012 at 12:59 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said: On 31/07/2012 12:09 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: I never saw an answer from you regarding my question for some examples of how other non-primitive OS's provide a simple way a program can protect its storage from meddling by others Off the top of my head thread-local-storage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread-local_storage. That doesn't address the issue of protection. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched card reader!
In 5016b9ec.9020...@acm.org, on 07/30/2012 at 11:44 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: My recollection is that in the era of punched cards the more common usage by programmers/operators was just card, cards, or card deck and others more often than not called them IBM cards Also Hollerith and 5081. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Auditors Don't Know Squat!
In cae1xxdhabxscw9vqmeojswt_kabw4mstc78po3bhqjdrabt...@mail.gmail.com, on 08/03/2012 at 01:52 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Auditors are, legitimately, preoccupied with computer security, and some PTFs address security issues. Some PTF's introduce security vulnerabilities. Anybody recommending a blind mass apply iis not qualified to be an auditor. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Auditors Don't Know Squat!
In b59b09b8b0099f44b859d46ffb38b10ec32...@crplivexc66.citnet.cit.com, on 08/03/2012 at 02:21 PM, Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com said: See if you can get the auditors to agree that you will apply all applicable (to your environment) PTFs flagged as a Red Alert within 30-60 days of availability. All? Do you really want to apply a PTF even if it has a HIPER APAR against it? IMHO, the only sound policy is to use standard HOLDDATA processing and to only bypass an error hold if there is a sound reason to do so for a specific PTF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is this valid COBOL syntax?
In 1344012753.76726.yahoomail...@web122103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 08/03/2012 at 09:52 AM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com said: The program was written in pre-COBOL II (COBOL 85) syntax. At that time the REMARKS paragraph valid (I'm guessing as an IBM extension), No. and everything following it (until the next valid phrase) was treated as, well, remarks (a.k.a. comments). AFAIK that was part of the original language design from the CODASYL SRC. It's certainly how COBOL (F) worked back in OS/360. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Auditors Don't Know Squat!
In 7071703290621695.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 08/03/2012 at 04:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Don't blame the auditors. Why not? A good auditor is a joy forever, but a bad auditor can cause immense damage. And what do you find wrong with the auditor's action in either of these cases? Dictating policy instead of monitoring compliance to documented policy. It has been discussed, repeatedly, in these pages that the proper function of an auditor is to assess conformance to standards, government or corporate, But not to devise their own standards. Would you shoot the messenger? Not an honest messenger, but if he writes his own messages then he isn't a messenger. Of course, if the standards What standards? They didn't cite any. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [z390] Anyone want Source code listing of last VSE program product Supervisor?
In canij+dcwo4xfsx0itfnd-org9gkoh819gfwkwudic5greqx...@mail.gmail.com, on 08/03/2012 at 08:09 PM, William Donzelli wdonze...@gmail.com said: Yes, we would love to have the scans - it is just a matter of logistics. If you are willing to flat out donate them to be scanned and archived, then perhaps I could arrange a pick up. As long as I wind yp with access to the PDF files from the OCR, You're welcome to my S/360, S/370, OS/360, OS/VS1, OS/VS2 and emulator manuals[1], plus a few more odds and ends. I live in Annandale, Virginia, just inside I-495. [1] That includes some oddball sizes for handbooks and CE manuals; is that a problem for scanning? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Auditors Don't Know Squat!
In 7867308318271579.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 08/05/2012 at 01:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Sounds like a standard to me. Not even close. A finding is a statement that they found something they didn't like. A standard is a published policy, not something the auditor makes up. My conjecture is that in the Federal instance the auditor was also guided by a standard, not inventing one; at worst taking it out of context. Were that the case then the findings would have identified the relevant standards. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [z390] Anyone want Source code listing of last VSE program product Supervisor?
In 45fcfbbb8bc8eb4a9dfedc6fa2cc7fdf17f93...@sdkmbx02.emea.sas.com, on 08/06/2012 at 06:30 PM, Lindy Mayfield lindy.mayfi...@sas.com said: Books I've bought from the UK say this in the front. Seems a bit strict, but is this the same thing? This book is sold subject to the condition that it shall not, by way of trade or otherwise, be lent, re-sold, hired out or otherwise circulated without the publisher's prior consent in any form of binding or cover other than that in which it is published and without a similar condition including this condition being imposed on the subsequent purchaser. Presumably a measure against fraudulent remaindering. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [z390] Anyone want Source code listing of last VSE program product Supervisor?
In 0f38850c-ff90-42cc-8897-b4fa59db3...@yahoo.com, on 08/06/2012 at 09:52 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: God I love it, need a sense of humor You would have liked Rannie; he had a marvelous sense of humor. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: File Processing
In 39235829-1d9d-411b-bb12-6b739e1c2...@yahoo.com, on 08/07/2012 at 08:12 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I love it .I had a COBOL programmer bet me that our DOS/VSE system on our 4381 was causing her abend. She bet me a dinner, well I collected, brought her in and did a instruction trace pointed right to her code How did you get her to understand it and to admit to understanding it? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Using NOTE and POINT simulation macros on CMS?
In 77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca343415c8...@nwt-s-mbx2.rocketsoftware.com, on 08/07/2012 at 01:08 PM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com said: How did you successfully use POINT without having first done a NOTE so that the POINT knows where to POINT? Some obvious ways that it can be done: 1. Calculate the TTR 2. Extract the TTR from a directory entry or from a record; of course, some other program would have had to do a NOTE and a STOW or WRITE. Note that IEBCOPY compress will update note lists and the TTR section of a directory entry. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: File Processing
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea0115baa1...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 08/07/2012 at 02:27 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: We had DOS/VS at that time. The DOS person said that DOS would occasionally kill his programs as well. With the words USER REQUESTED TERMINATION. The programmer screamed at the DOS person to show him where in his COBOL, it said PERFORM TERMINATION. Once when a customer came to me with an ABEND in a COBOL program. I asked her what was in R14 and she responded But COBOL doesn't use registers. A friend called from another room and asked whether I would like an excuse to duck out. Thanks, Thom. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: File Processing
In CAFMxNW+NmuenEh0Tem8RnQdZ=jtgauuhsoilq6iussgrltr...@mail.gmail.com, on 08/07/2012 at 12:03 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net said: An 0c7 is a data exception error detected by the hardware. No; it is an ABEND detected by the Program FLIH when there is no SPIE to catch interupt code 7. Without examining the data and software, it is not possible to make a definitive statement regarding the cause of the error. Wrong; the cause of the error is treating data as decimal without validating them. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Using NOTE and POINT simulation macros on CMS?
In 8082333213958528.wa.alanaltmarkus.ibm@listserv.ua.edu, on 08/08/2012 at 02:04 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com said: Sorry I haven't been watching IBM-MAIN as closely as I should, but the TTR isn't. It's the CMS file system record number of the record that was just read (shifted left 8 bits) i.e. rr00. The TTR is shifted left 8 bits in z/OS as well; bit 31 serves as a next record indicator. That goes back to OS/360, so I would regard it as a bug if the OS simulation can't handle it. To increment the record number by one, add 256 to the TTR. ITYM add 256 to the TTRz. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Space Allocation In Bytes
In 0fdb46cc-7d2e-4887-9f5c-fc29d9c2b...@aim.com, on 08/08/2012 at 09:45 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: I do not find a stated minimum for the BDW. Absent firm information, I'll assume 4-byte blocks (nothing but BDW) are permissible. No, the minimum ios 8; see 3.2.3.1 Block Size (BLKSIZE) Minimum block size: If you specify a block size other than zero, there is no minimum requirement for block size except that format-V blocks have a minimum block size of 8. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Space Allocation In Bytes
In CAJTOO58735VUTbFZ-GL2hvGg5=p=zoaf0271gsclbqt0y4j...@mail.gmail.com, on 08/08/2012 at 10:11 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: A zero byte VB record is expanded to 1 blank x'40' so the minimum is a block of 9 bytes including block size and record size field. Are you sure didn't specify A or M? From z/OS DFSMS Using Data Sets, SC26-7410-09: 3.2.3.1 Block Size (BLKSIZE) Minimum block size: If you specify a block size other than zero, there is no minimum requirement for block size except that format-V blocks have a minimum block size of 8. Note also: 3.1.3.1.2 Record Descriptor Word (RDW) A variable-length logical record consists of a record descriptor word (RDW) followed by the data. The record descriptor word is a 4 byte field describing the record. The first 2 bytes contain the length (LL) of the logical record (including the 4 byte RDW). The length can be from 4 to 32 760. 3.1.6.3 Using Magnetic Tape ... When you create a tape data set with variable-length record format-V or format-D, the control program pads any data block shorter than 18 bytes. For format-V records, it pads to the right with binary zeros so that the data block length equals 18 bytes. For format-D (ASCII) records, the padding consists of ASCII circumflex characters, which are equivalent to X'5E's. I tried to allocate a FB 6 0 to hold a list of volsers for a table, LRL under 10 would not work. What happened when you tried? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Space Allocation In Bytes
In CAJTOO5-_jCQt3_wepucjBcEqhu7sNFbv7TcE=4vabeyj5mv...@mail.gmail.com, on 08/08/2012 at 02:15 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: On TSO ISPF 3.2, it failed with record length too short so I kept adding 1 to the LRECL until 10 worked. This was about 9 years ago. Well, ISPF has its own rules, but I'd try to APAR it if it still does that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: reasons for using started task or batch job
In 3ebf9c9d119fd847b3a096c515a018f69486c...@surfsdvmp35.cnasurety.net, on 08/10/2012 at 03:50 PM, Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com said: What would be the reason(s) for starting long-running tasks like CICS as a started task or a batch job? START doesn't tie up an initiator, and there's one less jobstep task in the address space. My foggy brain seems to remember there being issues with running multi-step started tasks, If you require an entry in the PPT, the same restrictions apply for a started task and a batch job. and something about there not being as much data gathered There used to be an SMF restriction, but these days it's under parmlib control. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: X86 server
In capmheapqah_j8ooge4ytzzhnstdmyra_elty4zsd3hgtp1k...@mail.gmail.com, on 08/13/2012 at 02:16 PM, Henri Kuiper henrikui...@zdevops.com said: If the latter is the case : feel free to contact me. You can take a sneak peak at http://zdevops.com We do z/OS virtualizations on x86 hardware :). What about software licensing? What advantage do you have over Hercules, which is free? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
