Re: [lace] Re: Jugendstil lace..
Hello Brenda, At that time they have the so called Blaupausen. I can't explain this in english. Perhaps somebody else can. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Dagobert Peche/Minne-Dansaert
Hello Devon, The Wiener Werkstätten was founded in 1913 as a place were artist had the possibility to work without the problems of money, what means the cost of a working room and the high cost of material. Their product were often bought from the institution and sold in their own shops. The K. K. Zentral- Spitzenkurs in Vienna was the school, nearly a university, were teachers were formed from all over the country that means the Österreich-Ungarische Monachie, the lace school in Prague was also part of it for example. And this teachers have to learn the girls and women all over the country how to make good and modern laces that they could make their living of it. At the place in Vienna, today in Herbert Straße, they had textile artist which invited new designs, remember my report from october 2002. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Jugendstil laces
Hello Margot, Here and in Austria we have the Jugendstil time from 1895 till only 1910. And what you are suspected is more what Hrdlicka designed. The so called Austria-laces were invited to have a hand made bobbin-lace who is quick to do that she could excist in competition with machine-made lace. And this lace should be for the modern and sportiv women of that time. Poldi and I agree with you that the Austria-lace isn't a what we call Gebrauchsspitze, she is to fine. Unhappily we will never know what would had happened if the first world war didn't brake out and stopped a lot of things and the handmade lace production as well. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Jugendstil lace..
Hello Robin, Thank you for clearing the terms. So it is more logical. But people I spoke with and still articles I read about Jugendstil, Art Deco and so on had always only one word and this was confusing for me. Because, how to wrote, after the floral style the geometric came. Yesterday I mentioned floral designs which aren't from Dagobert Peche. He made more figural designs but also floral ones and sometimes a bit like fairy tales but in a new way. Some works of him remember on the lace pictures of Elena Holeczyová. But how astonishing, it' s the same time and they had a bit the same studies.He was a all round talent he made fashion products, designs for textiles, he decorated the room fitting for a fashion show. After coming back from Zurich he had made designs for furnitures, tapestry, embroidery, lace shortly said everything. I was astonished myself about the text under the article and found out that they are wrong. I am sorry for that and you can believe me that I looked several times before I wrote. This designs are from Johann Hrdlicka who worked for the K.K.Zentralspitzen Kurs in Vienna at the time of Jugenstil. He, his wife Mathilde and some others, f. e. Franziska Hofmanninger, Fritz Letniansky, are as important as Peche for that period. Hope i didn't wrote to much about this theme but I persoaly like it. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Jugendstil laces
Hello Lacefriends, Actually we have both Jugendstil and Art Deco, in english is only one word. Start with the beginning. The movement called Jugendstil in german who started about 1895 got its name after the Munich magazin Jugend(Youth). This movement was first in architecture but very quick in all sorts of art, music, poetrie, peinting, dance, theatre shortly everywhere. It was a movement against industrial things back to handmade. And very important everything should be in the same style. In a house for example the house itself the curtains, the furniture, the dishes still the dresses of the women. The most important motives came from nature flowers, poppys, sunflower, irises, lilies, and others,. All this influenced from japan and put together in a new form of ornamentic. It ended about 1910 but had changed the historicism but has helped to a better form for the live people lived at the beginning of 20th century. Think on the dresses and underwear our grand-mothers had to wear. Later it became a bit kitchy and the later parts are called in Germany Art Deco. You find examles by a lot of painters like Gustav Klimt, Alfons Mucha, Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, Louis Comfort Tiffany or in architecture Henri van der Velde, J. Hoffmann, J. Olbrich and a lot of others. In Darmstadt and Plauen in Germany or Vienna in Austriche or Prague in Czech Republic , or Nancy in France you can see lots of wonderfull buildings from that time. All this had its expression in embroidery and lace as well. I told you about the book Austria-Lace from Poldi Winkler and still the Schneeberger-lace. And for the needle-lace have a look to the designs of Dagobert Peche from Wiener-Werkstätten, this fantastic collars and fans with the lillys of the valley or the bellflowers. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace Peacocks Book Lace Fans Book adresses
Hello Lacefriends, Just back but not yet here. The Deutscher Klöppelverband has changed its adress a while ago and has also changed e-mail-adress. Here they are: Deutscher Klöppelverband e. V. Schloss Zweibrüggen Zweibrüggen 40 D-52531 Übach-Palenberg Germany Tel: +49(0)2451/49985Mo - Do 8.00 - 14.00 Fr 8.00 - 12.00 Frau Conrad Fax: +49(0)2451/49986 e-mai: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de For those who are perhaps nearby, sunday 17th of octobre 2004 Day of open door from 14.00 - 18.00. To clear something about the books. Yes most of them are the work of several persons. The Peacock and Fan-book too. This book is made to fit to the theme of the next congress, here it was for 2004. And there is a call, often very short, to all designers in the Verband to make a design which fit. So for next year we prepare a book with flowers. Books like Chantilly... or Bänderspitze.. are also the work of several people. People who know a lot about the theme or work on it for other purposes were asked to help. Hope everything is clear now. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: pronounciation
Hello Devon, How should I pronounce it for the slide show. If I say Point, do I sound like a boob? If I say Pwont will the audience be so busy puzzling out what I am saying that they will miss the rest of the commentary? Will some people think me elitist? I don't think so. The laces have their names as we have so I think we shall call them with this name. I personally do so in classes or lectures. It's no use to think what will the others think. I will tell them something they are interested in so they will accept the names. or does one pronounce things the way they would be pronounced in the language that you are speaking in That's a proplem I disscused very often with several people. I myself have the idea that proper names should pronounced in their origin language but other people have other opinions. Greetings - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lace in sculptures
They are gorgeous! You are right. Thank you. I have a smaller one from a prussian Duchesse/Queen. I put it in my webshot-album the next day. Greetings Ilske http://www.fioretombolo.net/monumentale1.htm http://www.fioretombolo.net/monumentale2.htm Enjoy them! I did a lot. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: New Austrian Lace Book for Art Nouveau Lovers
Hello Lacefriends, You can buy the book Austria-Spitze by Barbara Fay. And those of you who are or live near the northern part of Germany can come to Rendsburg, Niederes Arsenal, Paradeplatz 11 on sunday 5th of september 2004. There take place the Klöppeln zwischen den Meeren from 10.00 till 17.00. At 14.30 Leopoldine Winkler will be there and give a lecture about this lace and her book. And those who read my travel-report from the Klöppeltreffen in Wiener-Neustadt in october 2002 can find some explanations about this lace too Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacemakers in Austria.
Hello Ewa, If you like I can put your mail with a german translation to the Spitzenliste. And your girlfriend can come to this list if she wants. The adress is http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/spitzenliste/ There she has to answer some questions and after done this she is a member. The language there is german. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] working diagrams
Hello Dorte, There is a lot of gaps in the story, and the Tonder lace diagrams has original more colours then the 4 we use now. The german, the belge and the french diagramms too have more then four colours. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 'DVT'
All I can say is that if you can get to see any of the places which we visited do. Most of the towns will be on the Czech Tourist Board site I would think and maybe you could do the tour at a more leisurely pace. From a still mentally exhausted Sheila in Sawbridgeworth, E.Herts. But those who could do so must think that not all of the exhibitions we visited are always on display. Some are only temporarly. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 16th century
Hello Adele and All, You are right. It is a problem, when Germans say f. e. 18th cent. theey mean the years from 1700 till 1799. But my swedish girl friend told me they mean from 1800 till 1899. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lost Items
Well, after 20 years or so, there has been a new twist to that story, and it appears she was found - in a dingo's mouth, but as the 4 guys were illegally shooting in a National Park and shot the dingo, the were afraid to come clean, and so the baby's body was taken by one of the guys and buried - possibly here in Melbourne. I think 3 of the guys are now dead, and the last one has fessed up before he, too, passes on! Northern Territory Police are talking to him! Not bad your story, I am still laughing. But for my lost objects it is much easier. We have a little somewhat which needs from time to time a coin or a key, for what ever, or something else. So it could happen when I arrive at the busstop some money is missing and such things. But we all know lost books from all of us, met somewhere but where? Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] RE: lace (or lack of) in Suriname
Dear Michelle, Thank you for this informatve report and all the best for your group. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Elena Holéczyová
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date Here you can now see all three pictures from Elena's work. All three are in the Slovenskej Národnej Galérie in Bratislave. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: webshots
Hello Lacefriends, Since saterday afternoon i am trying to do some fotos from Elena Holéczyová in my foto-album. The first worked immediately. The next not I get allways the remark. ..is in the moment not I try again tomorrow. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Greek lace book details, please
Hello Helene, Do you mean the book from Victoria and Albert Museum in London. This book you can buy by B. Fay or directly by the Museum. The ISBN 960-518-052-9 It is a wonderful book but not only bobbin lace in. The Greek call different other things also lace. The answer of your mail from ? comes the next days. Meanwhile I could give you some heat and sunshine, we have more than 30 degrees C. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Lace-tour 3 and end
Hello Lacefriends, Thursday, the we had three guides, to Vera and Jan come Milca Eremiasová and we travelled again to the south-est and reached after lunch Bratislava in the Slovacian Rep. This city has a wonderful atmosphere, so lively. At home I read in the guide that they are only 400.000 inhabitants and I couldn't belief. The big river, actually there are two which soround the city. The book said also that about 100 years ago most actors, actresses, singers who started here come very quick to Vienna and later often to Berlin and became famous. Sorry for the little excursion. So we first visit in the castle the Historical Museum. The lady's from the museum decorated a big table with all sorts of laces they had and have in their country. Small coloured labels with the name of the region were put beside and on the wall on a map we could find out were every part is. We could ask what we want but again I had the impression some of us knew more about lace in general and even from this part. But nevertheless we tried to take everything in our head and take it away. Only my camera had another idea, at home I found out it wasn't my fault, happily, there was something wrong with the stick. Ok. Next point the Slovenská Národni galerie to the works of the famous Elena Holeczyová. She was the first slovacian lace-maker who revolt the lace in her country, you remember Marie Sedlacková. At the time this two lady's were born their countries belonged to the Österreich-Ungarische Monarchie in Vienna. In 1918 the Czechoslovakia became independent, and today they are two autonomous countries. You see, again Europian history. Elena is born in 1906 she studied at the School of Applied Arts in Prague. Two years, from 1927 till 1929 she worked in research about Slovak costumes and embroidery. This influenced her to design of folk textiles and lace and brought her to create artistic lace. She died in 1983 in Prague. Her lace-works are in a way narrative and she has a distinctive way. I am sorry I don't have pictures of my own perhaps I can show you some later. In the Municipal Museum were the works from several groups of lacemakers from there. Everything mixed hats, doilies, Free-hand-Lace-reconstruction, pictures and so on. Back to the bus and in our czech hotel. Friday morning we came to another important point in our history. The battle of Austerlitz, Napoleon. Actualy we weren't on the battle field but in the city Slavkov u Brna and in the big castle. On the first floor is a big exhibition about Napoleon including a bed in which he never slept because he prefered his campbed. But we wanted to see lace and today again something very fine, sorry Tamara I like this sort of lace. Here we found an exhibition from a lot of works from Milca Eremiasová, you see the circle closes. We spoke with her still the day before about her work and she told us which music she loves and how much the sea. So I was very excited what we will see. Yes it was fantastic, Some of you have perhaps seen their madonnas and other figures, the sea-pictures in their blue/green/grey are marbellous. She is born in 1938 and studied lace by Emilie Palicková and Antonin Kybal. From 1962 till 1990 she worked as a teacher at the School Institute of Industrial Arts in Prague. Than she transferred to the Private Master's School till 1995. After that she worked more and more independent. She had exhibitions nearly everywhere and got lots of prizes. If you ever are in Prague fone her perhaps you can visit her. At Brno, our next station, we saw a wonderfull exhibition through the lace-development of this country, but again not enough time. Then the highlight, Art-School of Brno. Nearly the same as in Prague. It was an exhibition about students, graduates and teachers. One could see how they develop step by step how to make a design and I looked and looked, I was in the paradise. After Lunch we drove a bit into the mountain and suddenly we saw a castle, then it disapeared and came again in our sight. But the last part we have to do by feet. The castle of Vranov na Dyji is majestic situated on the top of a hill and looks around the country. There was a medivial small castle wich belonged to the bohemian kings. Later it belonged to several Noble men and in 1688 it was renoved as a baroque castle under the Duc of Althan from the famous Fischer von Erlach. There in the coach house is a fantastic exhibition Lace in Castle and Village, till 30th september 2004. Laces on dresses and costumes of noble men, portraits of them but also what rich middle-class people wear in former times. It was a wonderful end of the journey. Again our bus was the last one back on Campus so we didn't get much about the last-festive-evening. Jeri and Ilona were still waiting for Jean and me, and after that we sank again more then tired in our beds. We had a great time. It was a pity that I couldn't manage nor the arachne-meeting
[lace] Re: Map
Hello, There is a rough map from Czech Rep. so you could see where the places are. http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Lace-tour 2
Helo again, Yesterday I mentioned Marie Sedlácková-Serbousková, today I will tell you a bit more about her. Then she is the mother of modern czech lace. She is born in june 1895 in Javornice at the foothills of the Eagle Mountain, nearby Vamberk. A region were people make bobbin-laces for about 300 years. She got her first art education in 1910 - 1912 attending courses of decorative drawing in the Museum of Hradlec-králové. The next year she passed entrance examination to the Secondary School of Arts in Prague but couldn't start because World War 1 broke out. She needed money so she created patterns for needle-work, bobbin lace and paintings, she designed wooden toys for children, she was realising her designs by herself and selling them. All this work wasn't good for her because she had in her youth a serious scarlet fever what hurted her eye sight and now she needed much stronger glasses. At least in 1921 she started with her studies in Prague. Her laces are influenced from the traditional ones. But she want to made lace modern, suitable for the people of 20th cent. Some of her designs are very big but the lacemaker needs mostly not more than 30 pairs of bobbins. She won prizes and become a famous lace artist but from 1940 on she couldn't see enough to make any more designs. In march 1964 she died. I do two pictures of her work in my webshot album, they aren't high quality because of light, glass and so on. http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date The next day we travelled to the south-east along of huge fields with sunflowers and poppys what made me thinking on all the fine cakes made with the seed of poppy and stopped in Olesnice in a Blue Print Workshop. Mr Danziger, the owner explained us everything very well. This is the last Blue Print Workshop where they still work in the old traditional way as before more then 1oo years. It will be to much to tell you all and it is not lace, hihihi. In the shop they had nice little things made with this Blue Print tissus, lovely. the last two days came later. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Lace-tour
Hello Lacefriends, Sorry but I couldn't write my report earlier. Yesterday I thaught, it's too late. But then I read Noelene's mail so I do it, better late than never. Monday 19th July 2004 at 7.00 we started travelling west. The landscape was like the english garden-landscape. Shortly before Pilsen we went south through pine woods. First stop Klatovy called the gate to Bohemian Forest and the centre of carnations. There is a museum with lacemaking school. We had all five days long a male guide Jan and a female guide Verena which is from the lace-school in Praha. She tried to explain the lace things to Jan in czech and he explained us in english, but sometimes I didn't get what they want us to tell, Nevertheless they are both nice people. we learned very quick that there is nearly never the possibility to get a book or either postcards. And if you allow me to be honest I sometimes had the expression that the people in the museum couldn't explain their own laces. Here we found a little booklet in czech with a german summary. The first I saw that Barbara Uthmann came from Flandres to Erzgebirge, so my confidence in the text has gone.(b. U. was born in Erzgebirge). The text saysthat lacemaking was mentioned for the first time In Strazov na Sumave that Bohemian Forest are from 1725. And that in 19th cent. nearly in every house somebody made bobbin-lace. Than the ususal machine-made net and so on. But in 1896 they founded a lace-school which came some time later to the Zentrale Spitzenkurs in Vienna (you remember my report from Wiener- Neustadt?) at that time they belonged still to Kaiserlich Königliche Monarche in Vienna. The school survived the seperation from Vienna and is still in function. We saw some parts how the pupil learn making bobbin-lace as well as laces from some of the teachers and also works from today. Lunch in Prachatice, here as well as in Klatory are houses with this wonderful Sgraffiti-paintings on their walls, I put two pictures in my webshot-album. In former time the whole region was very rich because of the salt-trail. After Lunch we went to the small museum were also laces from the region and some modern works were to see. It was so crowded so I made a little city-tour alone. Back to the campus at 22.3o. I fall in my bed and hoped that nobody would sing or play ball that night, hopeless wish on a campus in summer time. Next morning, same time, same people but other direction - to the est. First place Letohrad, the museum with the national costumes. They stand in the rooms without glas around them, great. So we could study the laces, the embroidery. (Two of them are in my webshot-album). Back to the bus on the road again to Rychnov. In a part of a big farm they made a museum with everykrafts they had in former time. In some vitrines the had put things who didn't belong together so we were sometims puzzled. And in a small part is a Gallery for modern czech lace-art with works by Marie Sedlackova-Serbouskova and mariá Danielová. I have problems to tell you how their works were differently from the one we have still seen. I only remember I was impressed. In most museums we weren't allowed to take fotografes and they didn't have postcards so after a while everything was mixed in my head. And because it was so hot we had snowballs as dessert by the way the restaurant there could be in every big city in Europe or North-America. And now in the afternoon we arrived in Vamberk. First the exhibition of the Bienal of Czech Lace. Big lace-sculptores from the ceiling till the floor or along the walls, some a bit sophisticated but impressing. I met a lot of names I saw two years ago in the same place. In the Museum a young guy wanted to tell us about lacemaking but he started with Adam and Eve. But we managed to ask him special questions and got so some information. the laces they worked here were made with linnen, with wool but also with stinging nettle. The designs were given from generation to generatio and the names of the laces were given after the design but also after the prize or the purpose. They worked laces with prickings as well as Free-hand-lace. We saw some laces which were very familiar like the sun-lace. Most of the laces were sold by slovacian people but they brought them also to Silesia and other places in Europe. We looked at all the wonderful things, under them a 40 cm broad Austria-Spitze but couldn't do all time run away. The next days came later. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Prague
Hello Everybody, I did some pictures of Czech national Costumes in the Arachne webshots album. They are from the museum in Lethorad. Under. http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date in Ilske's Fotos Here summer has come nearly as warm as in Prague. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Galerie Vlasta
Hello Janice, When I was, together with Miriam and Pompi at Galerie Vlasta it was still closed(saturday after 1.oo p.m.). So we could only look trough the windows. But I can asume you that the czechs use things for stiffening pur chemie. And here in Germany I can buy metall-thread in very bright colours so it could be that she uses this thread. Sorry not being more helpful in this point. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Czech stiffener
I took Milca Eremiasova's workshop and she has switched from a Czech stiffener to a Dutch one called 'Feutrex'. It is brushed on the lace while it is still pinned to the pillow and dries in about 30 minutes. I don't know anything else about it. Maybe one of the Dutch Arachneans can help out? As I was told this stiffener comes from the people who make straw-hats. We use this in Germany since years, it is relly good for natural material like linen, cotton and wool. it does not work with synthetic materials. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: not lace
Hello Janis Savage, Are you on the list? If so please mail me privately. Thanks Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Another family story
Hello lacefriends, My story is a short one. For about 17 years I met a young lady on a Christmas-market which did bobbin-lace. At the same moment I remembered that my aunt, which was paralyzed on her right side, from face til the tip of her toes since she was 15, once made this only with her left hand and with hooded bobbins on a roller pillow at the time I was about three or four. I was fascinated by the movement and the sound I think. When she was dead about 20 years later I was the only family member nearby, that means about 150 km away. My mother and brother lived with my new father in North-Africa at that time, I wasn't amused to hear that they had troughen away all her things before I arrived the next day. So I asked this young women, from the market, if she gave courses. She said yes but... and it lasted more then half a year that it started and what was worst after the first lessons we found out she doesn't know much. She changed the day so I couldn't go there any more but what now? I found the book from Katharina Egger my husband gave it as a present, it was my birthday, and I learned myself. And this is another amusing story. I had only thread 50 and most of the patterns were made with thicker thread so I made realy laces. That's perhaps I like all this fine ones today most. Greetings till next week or later tomorrow morning we travel to Berlin, one of my favourite citys Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Another family story
Sorry, I forget the most important thing. When I designed my first pattern, a Torchon-lace, I named it after her Hertha. To say her thank you for this wonderful craft she gave me. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] UFOs
She has amazing talents for thinking of alternative ways of doing a piece. One piece of torchon can be become 6 different looking ones, just by changing colours, the direction of the coloured threads, and the number of bobbins in each colour. Helene, And don't forget changing the stitches in ground or motiv, then you have some more pieces to do. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Denmark - lace-history II and end (sorry very long)
Good Morning Everybody, Hoping I didn't bore yesterday I will write the rest. All my informations are from my lace-books and what I found in danish Museums, most of them in Tönder Museum and what I learned in Lorenzen's Gard. The number of lace-dealers grew steadily too, and in the civic lists of townsmen from 1699 you can follow this development closely. Between 1702 and 1802 you find in the Borgerbrev, the municipal licence to trade of Tönder, that it was taken by 35 lace merchants. But the number was much greater then that, because many didn't describe themselves as only lace merchants, but as merchants in a general sense. All of them were leading men of the town with money, position and prestige, think on the houses I showed you. And lace was a high esteemed trade. At that time there was money in it. There are some figurs what the lace trade brought, for example Denmark and Norway together (they belonged political together at that time), in 1772 25.278 rigsdaler and in 178172.845 rigsdaler. They mentioned other countries without any specification in 1772 33.068 rigsdaler and in 1781 63.190 rigsdaler This figures tell us today only something in comparision. What about the lace-makers? The most efficient of lace-girls could earn about 50 rigsdaler a year, but this were few of all. To get an idea what this was worth here some dates from 1780, when a rigsdaler was 96 skilling: 1lb butter cost 8skilling 1lb meat2,5 skilling 1lb coffe 12skilling and 1lb sugar 2 skilling During the long winter evenings the lace-makers sit together around this wellknown shoemaker's globe with their typical Tönder lace-box with the form of a sloping desk. Its surface was covered with leather and padded with hay. The box itself was often artistically carved or painted so they were individual. In a little drawer all the needed things were kept and often there was a small secret drawer also. The real lace-making season, which starts about a fortnight before St. Michaels's Day the 29th September was called Aftensädet. During that time the local young men were invited to this evenings to entertain the girls with songs and stories. In my opinion it was surely a possibility to find out which two could live together for the rest of theier live. In fact most of the young men were sailors who towards the end of february returned to their shipping companies often in Copenhagen or even Hamburg. And I know that this excist in Erzgebirge in Germany as well There is a big series of paintings about this evenings. I will not hide some dark sides of this profession. A document from 1788 says that because the girls had to sit continually and in a bent position over their work they became consuptive and blind. Many of them took to snuff coffe and tea in a big way and they became useless for any other form of work. Their earnings wasn't so much that they could save out a lot so they became, sooner or later, a burden to the community. The conclusion of this ducument is, the girls would have been much luckier if they had been milking girls by the peasants. As we all know fashion changed often and also the influence of democratic ideas, after the French Revolution werent favourable to the lace industrie. What's more in the 1800's machine-made tulle rapidly gained ground as a new and much cheaper fashion material. And so the Tönder lace-merchants day were past. In 1870 Hansigne, the daughter from the teacher on Bädsbol School Jens A. Jenssen (and what about the mother?) was born. She maried Hans Lorenzen who was the second teacher at the same school in 1890. Hans must leave the service because of his danish mind. Hansigne too wrote several books in danish. Remember I told you about the problem earlier. Since the 18th cent. more and more people in Denmark wanted their own language back and weren't against the german. Hansigne worked also for the revival of lace. She visited the old lace-makers and searched the old designs. There was a movement in whole Europe at the end of 19th and the beginning of the 20th cent. to go back to the handmade arts. Everwhere so called Frauenverbände - women's associations were built. The queen Alexandrine held the patronage of Tönder Spitzendepot. Hansigne worked special for the Tönder-lace. and get for this work a medaillion in gold with crown . She died in 1952. If you ever come to Ballum, a bit north of Tönder,you remember the report of Sally, visit Lorenzen's Gärd, it isn't easy to find ask in the Hotel in Ballum there it is nearby. It is only open in July on afternoons and during Tönder Festival. If you are only a few you could see the whole house till under the roof. You find the old things our ancesters used, lots of laces often with fotos of someone who wears them. This and that. And from time to time they still held courses there. The family still live in this house it is not really a museum.
Re: [lace] Sleeves
Hello Jeri, Thank you for this interesting explanations about sleeves. You will see mine in Prague and tha you will think - How times have changed- Have agood and save trip to Budapest, see you in Prague. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: lace-Historie Danmark I (long)
Dear Lacefriends, Before my Liebermann-weekend in Berlin and than my trip to Prague I will write this promised report. I want that, if the danish list-members know something more about this theme or if something isn't right, will write to the list. So we find out as much as possible. Some parts of the beginning I wrote before Tönder, but other wise it will not be clear. There is a very early information about lace-making in Danmark in a letter, written in 1595, from the wife of a rural dean in Tönder. Her name Agneta Fabricius and she asks in this letter her daughter to send the 4 ells of lace she had ordered for the price of 7 - 8 shilling per ell. ( In that time the danish ell was about two feet) Another information of 1622 in Tönder Court Record says that Nils Simesens daughter from Otterböl has served Johan Becker in Tönder for 9 years as a lace-maker. From Christian IV. we know all this paintings which laces still at the boots and there is a note from him in his diary on 3rd September, 1619, that he gave 889 rigsdaler the same day to various tradesmen for linen and lace. On the 4th November, 1620, he wrote that he bought some lace for 10 rigsdaler from a girl lace-maker in Flensburg and some more notes about lace-buy. (Sorry, I could not find out how much one rigsdaler was worth in todays currency) There are some more proofs about lace-making around Tönder, Husum (25 miles south of Tönder but german) and Flensburg (east of Tönder also german). The danish history is a very complicated one. They had a long time kings from Schleswig-Holstein which is german and several wars take place against Sweden, Prussia and so on. They had to speak german a long time what gave problems, we will see this later once more. In one war the loose parts of their country in others they get parts far away to their own. There was a time when Altona, which belongs to Hamburg today was danish. Tönder is the oldest danish city who got the official town charter. It is mentioned for the first time in 1130 as a harbour-town and has a ship in its coat of arms. Then in 1243 the town got the right to trade inside its walls what's in danish called köbstadsret. About 1238 the Franciscan build there a cloistre. But than it become nessecaire to protect the people from the power of the North Sea and they built dykes during 1553 and 1556, and so Tönder lost its importance as a harbour. So they had the idea to support lace-making. the time was good for this because the living conditions in the district were cheap, the people were content with little. And also very important, lace-making was a good thing for a domestic industry in which children and older people could work in comfort and social groups too. With this girls could stay at home and have not to go in service by strangers. In its best time Tönder's lace-making region streched from Leck in the south to Ribe-Marstrup in the north. It formed a triangle which two sides of abot 37 miles and the third with about 22miles, so it was Tönder - Lögumkloster - Skärbäck on one side. The other on the North sea, Römö included, their laces were of a particular fine quality. There about 12 000, in other sources 16 00, lace-makers were employed, mainly in their own homes. I must finish here for today Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] informal survey
Hello Beth, Is the bedspread in squars? Than you could make very modern sleeves for a blouse or a dress, take it with one of the corner in the middle of the shoulder and sew on the two sides going from this point and ready is it. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] valuation of lace/large or small pieces
Hello Devon, I notice that there is very little interest in machine made lace among lacemakers since we are all looking to take a piece of handmade lace home and study it under a magnifying glass. We are looking for technique, not design. I once visited a class where we made the machine-made-lace into handmade ones. It was very interesting and still difficult because the machine works in another way and with other sort of material. When I am back from Prague it put some of this laces, the picture of them, in my webshot-album so you can see them. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] survey
Lorelei, This part of your mail remind me on my beginning with Binche I finally decided I had done enough Flanders preparation, and moved on to Binche (which had always been my goal). There were once three of us who wished to go to Kerkrade for a Binche-class with Annemarie Verbeke, it was in 1989 and we weren't much experienced in lacemaking. Two of us had started in 1887 and the third one a bit earlier. So we wrote to Martje. She answered some time later that normaly one starts with Flanders (3 courses), then Point de Paris (2 courses) and then Binche (3 courses). - You are allowed to laugh very loudly about my naivity- So I believed her and started as she mentioned and it was ok. Annemarie is such a wonderful teacher I liked every minute I spent with her and in the peaceful atmosphere of the cloistre of Kerkrade. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: hazard of lace addiction
You are now duly warned -- making lace is addictive! The more you learn, the more you want to learn. This I can underline with both of my hands, it is a wonderful addiction and I hope I still have lots of years to learn more and more and more Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] tape lace
Hello Carolina, Could you find out a bit more precise since when the Witch Stitch Lace was made in Spain. Could this lace belong to the laces they invate at the end of the 19./beginning of 20.cent.? At that time in the part of Europe I know better than Spain everywhere new laces were invated to make the handmade lace gain important. And there new ones but also some who look a bit like the very old ones. Or this old ones were transported in designs ot that time, which was the actual. Greetings Ilske Finally the days of storm are over. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: book from VA-Museum
Hallo, Just to let you know the german lacers get the book finally too. I got mine this morning from B. Fay. I had a long talk with them in tönder therefore i know that it wasn't easy to get this book. Hope you could share my joy. Greetings from stormy, stormy Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bucks tablecloth (!) on ebay
For me it looks like Tambour-work or embroidery but no and never as bobbinlace. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Sally Barry's books and lace
Sally said the pattern for the Big Danish Hearts is in Karen Trend Nissing's book Knipling 3. And the smaller lace on the other two sides is Little Danish Hearts. It is in this book but only as a picture not as a pricking. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: [Danmark store hjerte
Hallo All, I have this pricking and when I remember right I got it from a danish list member, it was in a copie of the danish knipling organisation. It is also to get from Karelly under the number1026. Hoping this helps. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] OIDFA taxi share
Hello Lacefriends, Would anybody like to share a taxi from airport to University in Prague with me too but on July 15. at 10.50 a.m. Ilske from Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Masters Thesis on American Lacemaking
Devon, Michelle has done a great job of pulling it all together, especially when one considers how little *truly American* lace there has been made in the short time US has been US. I think this would be interesting for all list-members especialy those who are interested in lace-history. Could this be send on the list perhaps? Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Knipling-Festival in Tönder 3 (long)
Hello everybody, Jenfeld, the part of Hamburg , we live celebtate its 700year- jubilee, that's why I am a bit late. We have here an archive/museum which is normaly only once a month open. So I forgot allways to go there and have a look, but now it is open all the days of the celebration and we did it. I learned that this part is the so callled coastel sandy moorland built by the last ice-time. It was called Yellow Field before and for 700 years the first people settled here. We, DP and I live here for 29 years only but if we try very hard we are perhaps still here in 671 years. Ok back to lace, read Tönder. In the Brorsonhus, Östergade 14, we could see several things. One of them a big collection about the Europian tape-laces. In other showcases were the lace-jewelleries and some collers from Jana Novak and collers from Eva Fialowa and other tcheque lace artists. As well as wonderful fine tape-laces from Lepoglava, Croatia with little flowers and tendrils and other laces. And what was surprising for me a whole showcase full of Three Pairs Flanders Stitch something I saw for the first time on our Kongreß in Bad Pyrmont where a lace-friend of mine from Dresden gave a class about. This is in a way a easy work but looks so fine and decorative. Also some russian tape-laces with colours and motives like leaves, animals and houses from Sebastina van der Herike and the fantastic designs from Riet Delescen were on display. After all that lots more in Dröhses Hus, Storegade 14. Here you could admire very big tablecloths with lace over and over. In another room the work of Astrid Hansen, an examined lace-teacher, was shown the properly done workinschemes the lace-samples, the hole way she make a lace class. I am not sure if you are interested in her live, if so let me know and I can tel you later. Very interesting was the lace-pillow from queen Alexandrina, she did lacemaking all her live long and died in 1952. It was made from Carl Abildgaard in 1900. On the pillow is a Tönder-lace Rikke and it is possible that this was her last work. After the death of the queen the first lady-in-waiting heired the pillow. Later queen ingrid got it and today it belonged to Tönder Museum. There was another lace-pillow which belonged to Berthe Marie Alexandersen (1819 - 1899) which married in 1840 the farmer Hans Alexandersen born 1777. It is not the pillow which is so interesting, they found a very small notice-book inside in which she wrote at the end of a week how many scallops she had worked and than convert into danske cubits, this had, one cubit were 27 scallops. First they read the booklet wrong it was the lace-searcher Ebba Busch who found out how to read the thing. So we know now that Berthe had worked from this lace 1228 d.cubits and about one and half year before she died 1623 d. cubits plus 12 scallops this are in meters 1019, I let you to convert it in feet. I could tel til next week but I must do also something else. For ending with Tönder I tell you about a needle lace from Hungaria the Halas-lace. I had heard of this and still seen one or two pieces and here I had lots of them. It is a fine lace with clear motives, really lovely . It started in Kiskunhalas in the south-west of Hungaria in 1912. The first designer was Árpád Dékáni (1861 - 1931) and Mária Markovits (1875 - 1954) was the best and one of the first makerin of this sort of lace. The design is drawn of a paper which come on a piece of tissu. Over both you put a piece of greasproof paper. Then with a thicker thread you made the outlines of the design and after that with another thread and various stiches the design. The motives are made with a sort of darn stitch so it become very dense and this clear look. There are more than 60 different stiches in use. In the last report I tell you about Lorenzen's Gard and a bit about danske lace tradition but perhaps only in a few days. Hope i didn't bore you. Greetings ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Knipling-Festival in Tönder 2
Hello Lacefriends, On saterday mornig I started my exhibition tour at Tönder Museum.In the big room upstairs where mostly are the lace-exhibitions with the paintings on the wall and the furniture they show us the Lace-Collection of Helene (1845 - 1932) and Peter (1840 - 1922) Karberg. Helene and Peter maried in1869, their fathers were brothers, they had five children, three daughters and two sons. Peter was a ship owner and merchant. They live some time in London later in Kopenhague and then in Hellerup. It is possible that Helene heired laces from her mother but she baught laces herself. So we could see lots of old Tönder-lace with this poetic names like: pearl, Else, white clover, big bell or bindweed. By the way I was told that not all old Tönder-laces have names. There were not only edges also collers, false blouses, things Helene surely wear herself. There was an old Brussels-lace from1700 but it is unknown from where it came and some other type of laces too. Her daughter Ida learned lacemaking herself and met with the women around Hansigne and the so called Kopenhague-lady-circle. You know it was at the beginning of 20th cent. when women all over Europe tried to revive handmade bobbin lace. In another room was the exhibition With Silver, Wool and Linen - Norwegian Lace from 1750 till today There so many different things were to see that you needed hours to get everything. At beginning the had some Reisle this are crowns for the bride. Another subject are the gold and silver laces. They told us that the siciety there had another structure. there were many freehold farmers which were rich and so they wanted to show this richness. A lot of other bridal outfits were to admire. Also lacemaking equipment and a few pictures of lacemakers . Needle lace pieces and woollen lace were on display. What astonished me most were the designs from the beginning of 20th cent. I have never heard of modern laces from Norway before. They showed us foe example pieces from Fredrikke Weisseert from Oslo and Anna Rollefsen in Larvik. And some todays work like necklaces and lace objects from Margherita Ficko and a lot of other things. I did some picture in my Arachne- webshot album. The quality isn't the best and I didn't know who the fotografers are, I think people from Tönder Museum. That's why i will take them out after a few days. So if you are interested look immediately. The rest comes tomorrow or so. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Prague
Hello Margot, hello Jeri and all others, As I understood Elaine she wants to gether the members of the list, but perhaps I am wrong. I send her my name and she accepted it. Unhappily I didn't manage to met her in Tönder. But if you want to be only the US-members or only this or that nation I will accept this. My report from Tönder needs some time because I found so much mail this morning. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Kniplings-Festival in Tönder
Dear Lacefriends. After done the most important household-requests i will start my Tönder reports, yes I am afraid I need several hoping it will not bore you. Friday morning, it was raining cats and dogs, we started to the north. The first stop was in Flensburg the Museum of the City. In the same room as the loom are the laces. A big pattern-book which ones belonged to Hans Hansen who was a lace-dealer in 19th cent. took my attention first. There is a piece of paper with a foto of him selling laces at the island Sylt about summer 1890 with the danske Elle/ yardstick in his hands, but this information I got later. And another such patternbook from 1841which one belonged Fedder Matthiesen both danish people. And around them and in another display-case laces, hankerchiefs and collars from that time. Most with Tönder-lace but some other techniques too. I had the impression that most of the laces in the second display-case were made later but after the old patterns. The things weren't well marked, that's a pity. I studied everything very carefully. It's not much there but if you are nearby it is worth to see it. Ask at the cashier after the laces and they describe you how to come there very quick. For those of you who are interested in art the museum posses a few paintings and aquarells from Emil Nolde, aquarells from Erich Heckel and others who lived at the same time. But this things are in the other building. After that we travelled farther north. When we arrived in Tönder the sun came out and said nice to meet you and it was wonderful without umbrella and in a bit of warmth. Puting our things in the hotelroom and up I went to the salesroom, I had to bring some things to my Verband. I looked round if I need something and I met lots of familiar faces and it was a big hello here and there. But unhappily I couldn't find the three person from the list we wanted to meet each other. The next morning I started my walk for the exhibitions they arranged for us, but this comes tomorrow. I'll do some pictures in my webshot-album so you could have a look if you want. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] seven
The cats in Germany have also seven lifes. So i will adopte the canadian version, nine are more. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Tönder-Festival
Hello Lacefriends, Very quick a bit about the festival. It was for the first time in 1989, since then every three years on the first weekend of june it take place and it lasted three days. In january 18th 1990 the society was founded and admits interested individuals, societies and institutions. The subscriptions covers a period of three years. Sorry I couldn't find something about the fee. Their purposes are to arrange the lacefestival and to take the initiative in developing the lace-making art. During the festivals they offer lectures in different languages, workshops, excursions, the coffee table on friday evening and a banquet saturday night. There is allways a big salesroom and different lace organisation present themselves. On several places in town and around Tönder you can visit exhibitions. And Tönder itself is worth to be visited (have a look at the webshots http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 During this days the shops have nice lace-decorations in their windows. You will meet friends on every doorstep. You see its worth to come and take part. Hope you are eager now to come one year there. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Tönder
Hallo Lacefriends, Looking through my old Tönder things i had the idea to tell something about , for those of you who have never been there or couldn't come this year. Tönder is the oldest danish city who got the official town charter. It is mentioned for the first time in 1130 as a harbour-town and has a ship in its coat of arms. Then in 1243 the town got the right to trade inside its walls what's in danish called köbstadsret. About 1238 the Franciscan build there a cloistre. But than it become nessecaire to protect the people from the power of the North Sea and they built dykes during 1553 and 1556, and so Tönder lost its importance as a harbour. So they had the idea to support lace-making. the time was good for this. The first time Tönder was named with lace-making was in 1595. In the 18.cent. in and around Tönder more than 12.000 lacemakers did it for their living. Some of the traders and some other people become reach and so they built wonderful houses. I put some of my fotos on the webshots zhat you can get an idea. When i find the time I tell you tommorow about the Tönder-Festval and when I am back I tel you what was this year there. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: webshots
Hello Lacefriends, It's long time ago I promised you to show you some more of my collars. But the changing of Cats wasn't as easy as I thought. So here they are. Both are designed by Jana Novak and I made it in coulours I like and are fitting to what I want to wear. Have fun looking at them. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re; prizes
Hello All Winners, Congratulation to you all from Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: duplication of ideas (not short)
Hello lacefriends, I'm not able to comment on all this opinions, as I'm not familiar with either of this books. But after looking up the site Lorelei mentioned I must say all this flowers look nice and individuell and in a way like real. And if you design a five petal flower it looks like in nature and I am sure all of them look a little bit similar. I agree totaly with what Jacqui mentioned, that very often two people at two different point on earth had the absolut equal idea at the same moment. In earlier time there were several ugly quarrels between scientist (chemists, physics) about this proplem. Also about who was the first flying for the first time from A to B and other such things. Sometimes the whole laceworld is speaking about one thing and several people are influenced of it and made a design and what wonder this designs are in a way the same. That is ome of the reasons I will not design new patterns in the classical lace-sorts. I can never be sure is it from my brain or was it stored there from somewhere I have seen it. And what it is more I want to give lace a face who is the face of our time. And if I would work all this wonderful old patterns I like I must become much older than Methusalem. Greetings from sunny but stormy and cold Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Thread
Hello Irene, Am I right in thinking that Russian tape lace done is usually done in white Mostly it is but you can find lots of wonderful laces where the fillings are in colour and you have difficulies to see where this coloured threads in the tape is. And there are totally coloured tape-laces as well. Have fun in your workshop. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fwd: [lace-chat] Prague
Hello Tamara, hello Lacefriends, In Pragur they have still their old currency and not the Euro. At the airoport from Prague is at least one possibility to change money after arriving. I am sure that some of the shops, restaurants and in the hotels too will accept plastic but not the small ones and for the museums I am not sure either. When I visited Vamberk two years ago I took only cash with me. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace in the V A book
Hello jane, hello lacefriends, This summer you could buy a book about Austria-lace. Poldi Winkler from Austria make it. She reconstructed lots of laces called Austia-lace wich dated to the beginning of 20th cent. In this book you will find also a historical part. If this is about all the Austrian laces or only the one I mentioned I van't tell you. The book comes from B. Fay. The northern part of Italy belonged some times to the austrian kingdom so it is possible that laces made in that time there are perhaps called autrichian, just an idea. I told on the list about Vienna and Austian laces after my visit, two years ago, to the Kongreß of Austrian Guild. Greetings and a lot of muguets for our french members, it reminds me of the time my mother dried some and send it to me,, and a kiss for the tcheque members, and what there are other customs for the first of mai. And where are none a sunny day Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: fist-of-mai-customs
Sorry, sorry, sorry the kiss for the tcheque women must take part under a blooming cherry-tree Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re. not lace-irritating mails
Hallo Lacefriends, Coming back from the congress of Deutscher Klöppelverband I found in my mail-box some strange mails. Often saying failed messages. Some of them have adresses from people who are on the list others have adresses I never saw before. Since yesterday I get some only with the picture of Jean Leader's website. Does anybody of you get such mails too and does anybody have an explanation for this? Greetings Ilske from today sunny Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] meaning of spangles
Hello Jo, You are right, some do have special meanings, but I am not the right person to answer. Perhaps our danish and english members could and will do so. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Prague
Dear lacefriends who come to Prague, I have a question. In the bulletin about the congress they wrote, that the lacetour end on July 23, but no the exact time. So I asked in Prague if they now when? They answered me imediately and told me that there will be a meal in the evening and that we stay this night too. Did you understand this in the same way? It would be ok to stay there this night but I couldn't get a flight at saterday, don't ask me why. So I have to stay there till sunday and could see some more of my beloved Prague. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: search for Marie from Prague
Hello Marie, Are you still on the list? If so could you please be so kind and answer me. Ilske from Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Ornery?
Hello Everybody, In my American Heritage Dictionary from 1982 I found under ornery, i-er, i-est: of a stubborn and meanspirited nature (Alteration of Ordinary). Hope this helps. Greetings from rainy and grey Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Teachers and teachings
Dear Lynn, There are no stupid questions between lacemakers. There are only people who know a bit more then others, and therefore we have the list where we can ask and get answers. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Young ones
It's such a thrill to pass the skill on to someone so young! That's my experience too. But it is always nice to people around which are eager to learn something. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] OIDFA Congress/Prague
Hello Tamara, If I put down for the cheapest lodging (double room, sharing the bathroom with another such, on campus), do I have to provide my own roommate, or will the organisers find myself one As I understood it one must find oneself. There is a line you should wright down the name of your roommate. But why not asking the lady in Prague? Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
The heroine starts out as a down-trodden young woman who turns to a benevolent man who owns a lace shop. She has refined skills as a needle lacemaker and he hires her. From this beginning, she eventually marries extremely well, buys the lace shop, and invents bobbin lace. Seems a very unlikely scenario in those days... That's one of this astonishing things from the Northern Netherlands of that days, that women there had a strong possition. It was the only country in Europe at that time were women were allowed to held the husbands shop after his dead. And other things like this. So this scenario at that time at that place could have been possible. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
Hello Lacefriends, The art-world didn't know much of the private life of Vermeer that's why I didn't like this book. In this book he is shown as a fanatic which didn't care of other peoples feeling. And there is not much in about life in the Netherlands of 17.cent. If there is somebody who is searching for this I would say look in your library if there is an english version of the exhibition bookVon (From) Frans Hals (till) bis Vermeer. It was the book from the Gemäldegalerie Berlin for the exhibition they had in 1984. In this book you find a lot about life in 17.cent in the Netherlands especially about women, because they had a strong position at that time. One paragraph is about Textile workers. If it is not to find let me know and I will try to tell a summary in english but not immediately because I am very busy at the moment with other things. If I should do so privately or over the list it's up to the group. Greetings from sunny but still cold Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: 17. Cent. lacemaker
Hello, I forgot to tell you there is a painting from Vermeer The look out of the window where you see a woman sitting on her house steps an doing lace. This could be a proof what a Netherland lace-teacher me told that at that time The golden Century most women in the part called Holland could do lace-making just for fun as we today because they were rich. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: The Depiction of......
As I didn't know of any sources - except maybe the book Girl With A Pearl Earring - I was wondering if any people here might be able to help her. I didn't think so this novel is fiction and unhappily not the best one. The book Girl in Hyacinthblue from Susan Vreeland describes that time much better, there are no lacemakers in. I think there are better sources then novels. Sorry but this is my opinion Ilske from Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Out of print?
At Guild last night, two of our new members reported that they had tried to find copies of Cook's Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace and after several unsuccessful attempts, learned that the book is out of print! Can this be true!? hello Clay, yes that could be so. Sad but true Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Binche
Hello Devon, That's exactly what I feel about laces especialy what is called Guipure-lace. When I visited Binche about 5 years ago a fsaw in the museum there (it is not a lace museum it is about Carneval but very interesting) an article from M. Risselin- Steenebrugen, when I am not wrong about the name, in which she explained why Binche-lace is called so. They found on such a binche- Carneval-dress at the bottom of the trousers such a piece of lace and so gave the whole group this name. Unfortenatly they haven't another sheet of this and because it was in a box they couldn't make a copie for me. I learn all this Flemish laces (Valenciennes, Flandres, Point de Paris and Binche) by Annemarie Verbeke and that means not only the practical side, but before the designing of them all. And then you see how they have become their special face during the time. And the highest one is Binche which has nearly all elements in it but no grid any more. And how it come from a lace who look a bit wild till the Point de Fee. I am sorry but I think my english isn't well enough to explain all the details. But as more laces you could examine the more you see how it has changed during the time. And on Lorelei's site you find also good examples. Greetings from a still grey but dry Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re. webshots
Hallo Lacefriends, Today the machine accepted my Violets. They are seen on: community.wwebshots.com/user/ Greetings from very dark, cold, rainy, in one word - ugly Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: still ?
Avital give us this site to show our pictures: community.webshots.com/user/arachne 2003 And I am ofte astonished that this got no more attention in our lively group. I personally showed there til ow different things. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bookmarks
Hallo Rose-Marie, In the book 101 torchon-patterns ten of them are bookmarks. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Battle of Britain Lace Panel/value of machine made lace
Hello Devon, In my opinion the worth of machine-made lace is a very personel one. There are pieces who take your breathe away. Have you ever been in Le Puy and there in the museum ? There you found hundreds of old machine-made laces they look not only for the first but also for the seond and third look like handmade. They are so fine and beautiful that you couldn't say they are of no great worth even they have excist in greater amounts. Also the old Plauener-Ätzspitze, this are broderie-laces, look so fantastique. But museums in our country doesn't care of machine-made laces. And most people think only on the laces on our underwear which are simple ones. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: webshots
Hello dear Lacefriends, I wish you all a peaceful and happy New Year. I changed again my webshots to show you some of my workshops. There was about six hours of time to do them. The bigger one who needs more time is still missing because the machine refuse to upload it. Ilske from sunny Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] De la crise de la sardine a l'age d'or de la dentelle
Hello Sofe, Could you please explain the title of this book (De la Crise ...), I can translate it but it make no sense for me. Thank you. Happy Christmas to all Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: help about a website
Dear Lacefriends, A week or two ago we discussed english bobbins. One of you gave us a web-side which I forgot to mark. The wonderful article with pictures was signed with Brian, and I understood he is a bobbin-maker himself. Could you send me this adress again please. Have a nice 4. Advent sunday, here it is stormy, wet, dark and ugly but realy good for lacemaking. Ilske from Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re Famous lacemakers and songs
Hello Everybody, In a prospctus about Bedford Lacemaking they wrote: In the early years of 16th century, Katharine of Aragon was imprisoned in Ampthill whilst divorce proceedings were taken against her by King Henry VII. It is believed that she taught the villagers lacmaking. And later: Did you know that nursery rhymes such as- Jack be nimble Jack be quick- and -Twinkle twinkle little star- have their origins as lace tells and were chanted to help the young lacemaker gain rhythm and speed. Greetings from Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: translated pieces for some of you
Dear lacefriends, This of you I translated this or that must not ask my permission to give this to other lace-friends privately. We couldn't print this because than we need the permission of the person who wrote the book. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Translation, please
Dear Jeri, The problem is that translation takes so much time. I once tranlsted the book from B. Underwood A Bedfordshire lace Collection in german for my companion in my lace-class. Don't ask me how many hours I need. That was why my husband give me a PC because correction is easieer there and after some time later I meet this wonderful arachne group. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: flood in south-est of France
Hello Lacefriends in France, Josette, Sof,and others, Are you all ok or happily not involved in the flood? Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: La Dame á Licorne - not lace
Dear Lacefriend, Knowing that there are also embroidery and tapestery members I will again ask a not lace-related question. Does anybody know when and how the tapestry La Dame á Licorne came into the Cluny Museum at Paris. I saw them twice so I know it and I learned it belonged the Le Vista family at Boussac castle. But what happened over the centuries till it came into the museum. Because it has nothing to do with lace you better answer me privately. Thank you for your help. Greetings from Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fw: Thanksgiving card
Hello Sue,, How lovely the thanksgiving card. In Germany we celebrate it earlier,beginning of october. But it was fun to see this card thanks a lot. Ilske from Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Kortelahti Pattern- how can I get it to lay flat?
Dear Diana, Do computer scanners distort less? Yes good scanners don't distort. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Kortelahti Pattern- how can I get it to lay flat?
Dear Diana, Do computer scanners distort less? Yes good scanners don't distort. Greetings Ilske To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Suse Bernuth
Hello Jean hello All, There was not only that book there was a seperate booklet with the prickings with the title 7 Klöppelbriefe. The Klöppelverband made this because the prickings are huge what means expensive by printing. In this booklet the asked pricking is in. I still answered Aage. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Barbara Uttman, inventor of pillow lace?
Dear Jane, dear Lacefriends, That's the problem about the old books they have some mistakes in them. Barbara Uthmann was a very important person at her time because she let learn the people from Erzgebirge to make bobbin lace at a time silver mines were nearly empty, but she didn't invent it. It was also Mrs Palliser who wrote in her book that B. U. lived in Harz she didn't she lived in Erzgebirge. Bobbin-lace-making came from the Erzgebirge into Harz through the miners some times later. Greetings Ilske, who couldn't wrote today because of an injection - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] CT and TC
Hello Lorelei and Rose-Marie and all Others, This different ways to make the half-stich comes from the different pillows. People who start with a roler-pillow was told to do itin one way I think CT and the others with the flat pillow and unhooded bobbins the other way round. Meanwhile it is no longer as strict as it was and those who still have some experience know when they first must make a twist. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Giraffe
Hello Jeri and Lacfriends, Thank you Jeri for finding out the rest of the Giraffe-story. In the book A Celebration of Bedfordshire Lace from plae 29 til 32 are some of this animal-laces, not the giraffe. I bought the book in the Museum. Greetings from Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Museums in Germany
Dear Hèlène, I made for the IOLI a list with the german museums which have allways laces in display but I don't know if they print it separately and give it to them who ask about or if they will print it in one of the further Bulletins. You could ask there and find out. What belongs the shops with bobbin-making things I could tell you when you know when and where you will visit Germany. Hope this helps. Greetings from Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Fans, laces and others
Hello lacefriends, After doing all this stupid everyday things I will tell you about my London travel. The first day I went to Greenwich to the Fan- Museum founded from Héléne and Dicky Alexander in 1991 and which is located in this two wonderful townhouses origin from 1721. On the ground floor it starts with the permanent display for which one get a voice-guide. Really good explained from the beginning on. There you could see a wonderful lace-fan under lots of other beauties the materials and a lot more. On the second floor they have three times a year special exhibitions. At the moment till 4th of Jan 2004 they show us a part of the huge collection of Mrs Young an US-american lady, she collected in 30 years more then 450 fans of all sorts. This collection was gifted to the Fan-museum. there is everything to see from real lace-fans over machine-made lace-fans, feather-fans some with embroidery or spangles, painted ones and last but not least advertising-fans too. I spent more then three hours there. Then I had a look into the fan-shaped garden and the nice garden-tea-room where twice a week tea is seerved and of course of the things in the shop. With a not so small bag and lots of ideas in my head I went back to the station and to London. On Tursday I make my travel to Luton and Bedford. First I was fascinated from the nice and quick train. At Luton I looked for a sign to the museum and decided to take a cab. It is so nicely situated the museum and I must first look after the chestnut trees which seem to be sain and as children do collect some of the chestnuts. Then I run into the museum and got the feeling that they were attending me. I had the whole lace-room for me alone for more then an hour from time to time some of the children looked what I am doing there. And I took my time and learned about Mary Tucker of Branscombe and that gloves without fingers call mitten and a lot more. What attracted me most was the Duchesse de Brussel- Fan beside the wedding veil, those of you who have been there before do remember perhaps. And opening the first drawer, this one with the bobbins, I must hold on my breathe. My way back to the station was no problem and just in the same minute the train to Bedford arrived. There I took a cab too but the museum is in renovation. So it was like looking for easter-eggs to find an entrance. The lady explained me where to find the laces and I found the bobbins and the very good explanation about social-life but no laces. So I asked another lady and she send me to the Cecil Higgins Gallery. Everybody was so nice and told me all about and I went upstairs and looked. After a while a men asked me if I want a torch because the light was not so good, so we had a long chat on what place all this drawers would be better and he told me about the belge lady who started the exhibition and this and that. And I laughed a lot about the english ladys who want all a giraffe somewhere on their dresses so that Mr lester designed one for lace. But there are a few things which i never saw before, f. e. this double needle-lace rose in a Bedforshire lace also this russian-tape-lace with this typical decoration in connection with Beds and some more. Happy and full of impressions I went back to London. The next days I spend for my other passion - art/painting. The both Tate's long time for Turner. And english historie in the National Portrait Gallery. And of course Liberty, some of you told us some weeks ago.I didn't know it before but when I went in I thaught, oh dear the fabrics that you know very well. I must say I liked some of the dresses and some coats but I didn't like the prizes. Some strolling around St. Paul's and here and there was the end of the journey and know everydays life has me back. Greetings from cols but sunny Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: London
Hello Everybody, Just to let you know I am back, save and sain. We wer so lucky no one drop of rain no snowflake but lots of sun and two days very stormy and icecold wind. It was warvellous. Tel you later about lace, painting walking and so on. Greetings Ilske from HAmburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Symbols for elements
Dear Dina, As far as I know only the sun and the moon are symbols between lots of animals and the human beeing itself. When we travelled Canada I bought a little booklet about this Indian Art with the title Looking at Indian Art of the Northwest Coast from Hilary Stewart. perhaps you could find this one. Eveything is wonderfull explained in it. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Chantilly-Bayeux
Hello Miriam, Chantilly was made in Bayeux also that's why sometimes it is called Bayeux-lace. As the lady from Geraarsbergen, who teaches this lace, told me there is no difference. There are little differences between Chantilly and Blonde. And also between the other tulleground-laces. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: numbers
Hello Lorelei, Devon and all others, In our country I didn't know a lace-material-vendor-shop who has regular opening times. They come to the meetings everywhere in the country, they send by post and if you are nearby and call them you can go there and shop. There are shops who sell our things but under other things like wool, patchwork utilities and so on. What belongs the number of members, the 4 500 aren't alone Germans. We have also family membership and lots os foreign members like Netherlands, English, US-American and so on. And also in our country there are people who do lacemaking without any membership somewhere. Greetings Ilske from Hamburg who hope that the wether will be like today the whole next week. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Questions about embroidery-stiches
Dear lacefriends, Please appologize my questions which have nothing to do with bobbinlace but I couldn't find the english words and I must prepare my lace-sewing-class for a group of people who speak better english than german. How do you call in english 1.) Stich is it prick or stitch or another word 2.) what do you call Nonnenstich - nun-? 3.) Festonstich, thats nearly the same Stich as helmstich 4.) triangel- or turkich-stitch. For not bother the others you could answer me privately. Thanks a lot Ilske from Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: trip to London
Hello Jeri, Ruth, Mary, Margot, Linda, Diana, Steph, Robin, Jean Barrell, Aurelia, Jean Peach, Jane, Annette hoping nobody forget, Thank you all you wonderful arachne-lace-people for your advice. I try to to as much as possible and tell you afterwards about. I gave all also to Nancyanne who aasked me for, because she too travel to London but in november. Greetings Ilske from Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: webshots
Hello lacefriends, The reconstructions are now to see. Yesterday happened something obscure don't ask me what. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: webshots
Hallo lacefriends, tonight i will change my webshots. And I will show you some of my reconstructions. I did them all for themuseum in Buntenbock or for private people. So I don't have pictures of all. That's a pity because I couldn't show you the Point-Ground-laces and the Binche-laces. The first which was also my first at a time I couldn't do only the first stitches, shows a typical Harzer-Spitze number r1. I had only a papercopie of the old piece, number r1a.The corner I did later. Number two, a lace with picots and square tallies. As you see at the picture also only a papercopie as pattern. And I made two corners one inside another outside (this will be printed in an issue of Der Faden). The third one wasn't done before. It is an design of S. Kaufmann she lived from the end of 19. till the beginning of 20.cent. in Harz and was a lace-teacher and designer there. And I had only a papercopie of the design no. r3a. This and the first on and the handkerchief , I will show you next time, you find in a book of Deutscher Klöppelverband. Have fun with them. Greetings from Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
