RE: ROLL CALL!!!

[artmarbles]

I’m still here, but at the moment I can’t do any woodworking.

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 3:07 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ROLL CALL!!!

 

Tim K is still around and monitors the group and posts from time to time curt 
keeps him up to date on what we are all up to, good to hear from you Brigitte 
and your still part of the group

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Brigitte Graham
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 7:38 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: ROLL CALL!!!

 

Hi Everyone,

I am still here (in UK)!

I had problems with my 'puter when Curt originally sent out his role call and 
couldn't reply immediately. 

Since then, life sort of got in the way and I forgot to make my presence known.

 

I haven't heard from Roger in ages, so I can't vouch for him!!

 

I do read and enjoy all the messages that fly around this group. 

 

Any news from Tim K?

 

ATB

Legacy Widow

 

On Tue, 5 Sept 2023 at 09:47, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Well 66 members is great as I said before better a smaller amount of 
contributing members than 500 we never hear from.as   for our 
uk members I’m fairly sure the member from the uk that had a revo I cant 
remember his name might have passed away just before we stopped hearing from 
him he was telling on a privet email me he was having heart problems and his 
memory was failing and he had to give up all woodwork anybody else I don’t know.

 

Bill 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 12:47 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: ROLL CALL!!!

 

66 members so far.

I for one  am glad to hear form everyone.

Still no word on any of our English LOM Members?

 

Still no word on Roger. (Brigitte ? any idea if ???)

 

I hope and Pray that everyone is doing well.  Keep up the good work and crafts 
everyone.

 

Take care.

 

C.A.G.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:19:08 AM UTC-4 slhel...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Still here

 

On Sat, Sep 2, 2023, 1:45 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hello, Back to you. ;-)

 

C.A.G.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 01:04:40 AM EDT, John Von Brandt 
mailto:jvonb...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hello

 

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 10:39 AM Jeff Richmond mailto:jtric...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I am still here, fairly long time Legacy user ( since 2004) but definitely not 
an old timer with this user group. Happy to be part of it, wish I knew about it 
sooner and joined sooner. 

 

Not an as active poster as I would like to be since shop time is limited and my 
workshop still needs attention after moving a couple years ago but those users 
that do share motivate me to keep trying.

 

Keep inspiring us all, Thanks again.

 

Jeff from Connecticut

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:55 AM, Tim Ziegler mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yes I think it was a great idea Curt. 

How many responded though compared to the total members? We must still have 

some silent lurkers. LOL 

 

Anyone else out there? Curt would really like to keep everyone active and in 
the loop.

 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:27 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hey Everyone.

 

I am very glad to see you all reply to the Roll Call.  Its really nice to see 
so many names that we have not heard form in a long time.

 

I asked in the very first, Has anyone any idea what happened to Roger (form 
England, or any of the English LOM members?) It would be so very nice to talk 
to some old friends why we have not heard form... I hope and pray that everyone 
is well and making some neat things in there work shops. 

 

Talk to you all more latter.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:06:24 PM EDT, mailto:artma...@comcast.net> > wrote: 

 

 

I’m still here. 

 

From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 10:46 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: ROLL CALL!!!

 

Hey David glad you are on the mend. I got one of those chest zippers back in 
2003. Not a problem since.

Happy travels Mike. Sounds like you are having fun.

Denson

Sent from Denson's iPhone

 

On Aug 23, 

RE: ROLL CALL!!!

[artmarbles]

I’m still here. 

 

From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 10:46 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ROLL CALL!!!

 

Hey David glad you are on the mend. I got one of those chest zippers back in 
2003. Not a problem since.

Happy travels Mike. Sounds like you are having fun.

Denson

Sent from Denson's iPhone





On Aug 23, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Steven Jacobs mailto:s.jacobs0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Still Lurking!

 

Thx,

 

Steve Jacobs





On Aug 23, 2023, at 10:58 AM, Tracy Smith mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I'm here as well. Just lurking. I haven't done too much for the last few years 
(since covid). I do enjoy seeing the discussions and work being done.

 

Tracy

 

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 AM Owner mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

Yea Craig, the move made me realize I need to consolidate and upgrade my 
equipment so I’m selling off my Delta DJ-20 8” jointer  and Powermatic 209HH 20 
Planer in favor of a 16” Fielder silent cutter head  jointer-planer to create 
more space. 


Michael Kratky

492 County Rd 113

Northville, N.Y. 12134

 

Res (518) 863-2821

Mobile (518) 207-7247

 

Email;

krat...@roadrunner.com  

 

 

 

 





On Aug 20, 2023, at 7:17 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 

Hey there Mike. 

 

I am glad to hear, You are still on this side of the daisies. 

But WOW, a lot has happened since we last heard form you. 

 

Take care, Be safe and Please let us know how you are doing.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 05:50:18 PM EDT, Owner mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi Everybody.

 

Still vertical just sold out lock stock and barrel and move to a new location 
with a 36’ wide X 32’ deep 3 bay work shop where all my equipment is parked; 
needs insulation, wall board, wiring, heat and AC so I have my work cut out for 
me not to mention I’m scheduled for both knees to get replaced in 2 1/2 months 
which will put me down for 6 months to a year depending who you talk to. 

 

Will be looking to rent a place in Florida for the winter to recuperate if 
anyone reading this has something to rent there.


Kind regards, 

Michael Kratky

492 County Rd 113

Northville, N.Y. 12134

 

Res (518) 863-2821

Mobile (518) 207-7247

 

Email;

krat...@roadrunner.com  

 

 

 

 





On Aug 19, 2023, at 1:09 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 

Hi guys!   I know its summer Vacation season for most of you.

 

But I was wondering if anyone has heard form any of our senor members, We have 
not heard from in quite a while / long time.

How about Roger (English Roger) comes to mind...

or Michael Kratky? Brigitte? Joe B.?...  I could name more old friends of ours. 
But I think you all know who you are.

It would be nice for everyone to chime in and say hello. (just to let us know 
you all are OK?)  

Mac or Russ, are you guys still lurking around?

(HOW about BOB? or David, Charlie?...)(AND the list goes on!) ;-) 

 

Have a good night everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 

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RE: Requested photos

[artmarbles]

I would be interested. How many $’s?

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Jack Terry
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Requested photos

 

Legacy operational videos 

If anyone is interested I have two Video tapes one on the Legacy Design Kit and 
the other the Picture Frame Video.  I also have a two CD training video. The CD 
is circa 2004.  Would be glad to send the Video tapes to the group if there is 
interest 

FYI I have a model 1200 which I acquired new circa 2004

 

Jack Terry

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On Oct 13, 2021, at 12:46 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:



Ok Scott send me a pm to my email and I will see what I can do

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Scott Gauze
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2021 3:48 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Requested photos

 

Does any one know where to find any operation videos for legacy 

Sent from Scott Gauze

1-606-624-7082

sga...@foothills.net  






On Oct 11, 2021, at 11:27 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:



Thank you I don’t know about others in the group but I for one would definatly 
like a scanned copy Of the manual please send it to bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  also this one looks interesting



too if that’s ok 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ohl, Chad
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 10:15 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Requested photos

 

Yes it is the user manual

I will look at taking a better photo

I also could look at scanning it if this group has a library for others as well


On Saturday, October 9, 2021, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Chad I have a question for you out of the pictures you posted is this your user 
manual?



I have not seen one for that model accept online pics and they are only the 
inside not the cover. If it is would it be possible please to take a nice clear 
pic of the cover and post it on the group for me.

 

Bill

 

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Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2021 11:52 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Requested photos

 

Hey group members

These are photos of the mill I have recently obtained

I really appreciate the info that has already been shared.  

Hopefully I have all the parts to create a couple table legs, I have the walnut 
from the family farm milled up and itching to become parts and man glitter

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RE: Requested photos

[artmarbles]

If you scan or photograph some of the mill, I might already have a copy. If you 
turn to the last section of the manual, does it have instructions for about six 
to ten items? 

 

Tim

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Ohl, Chad
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 4:15 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Requested photos

 

Yes it is the user manual

I will look at taking a better photo

I also could look at scanning it if this group has a library for others as well


On Saturday, October 9, 2021, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Chad I have a question for you out of the pictures you posted is this your user 
manual?

I have not seen one for that model accept online pics and they are only the 
inside not the cover. If it is would it be possible please to take a nice clear 
pic of the cover and post it on the group for me.

 

Bill

 

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Chad Ohl
Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2021 11:52 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Requested photos

 

Hey group members

These are photos of the mill I have recently obtained

I really appreciate the info that has already been shared.  

Hopefully I have all the parts to create a couple table legs, I have the walnut 
from the family farm milled up and itching to become parts and man glitter

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RE: Legacy Mill - 600 EXL in Chandler, AZ - on eBay

[artmarbles]

I have the plastic gears but not the whole machine. 

 

If you would like to see one, go to https://ornamentalmills.com/history/ It’s 
about half way down.

 

Tim

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 11:21 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Legacy Mill - 600 EXL in Chandler, AZ - on eBay

 

It’s a bit limiting without the option of milling tapers but would be good for 
pen turners if I remember it’s a smaller mill if I had the money I would grab 
it just as a collectors piece.

Very transportable too like my revo before I made it bigger with a cordless 
router I used to take it camping and milled all exotic fire wood to this day I 
have some lovely free unknown wood in my shop from doing that .

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2021 12:18 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: Legacy Mill - 600 EXL in Chandler, AZ - on eBay

 

Yep!  That's why it's a "Blast from the Past".

It is probably older than "Tim"; take your pick whether that's Tim K. or Tim Z. 
 LoL!

I don't think I've even ever seen one of them before.

Mac

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-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: Oct 11, 2021 3:26 AM
To: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: Legacy Mill - 600 EXL in Chandler, AZ - on eBay

 

That is an oldie, plastic gears 

 

Bill

 

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Monday, 11 October 2021 2:32 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Legacy Mill - 600 EXL in Chandler, AZ - on eBay

 

Here's a "blast from the past" when it comes to Legacy Ornamental Mills:

 

Legacy Mill - 600 EXL

 

Enjoy!

Mac

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OM News

[artmarbles]

Here's a link to all of the Ornamental News. 

 

https://ornamentalmills.com/omnews/index.html

 

Please do not distribute them outside this group.

 

-Tim

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RE: for beginners

[artmarbles]

At this moment, it appears to be a browser issue. I can’t get to the site using 
firefox. There is no problem when using chrome.  Can anyone verify this?

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of wm.o.he...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:12 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: for beginners

 

Issue may not be with the website itself; but with the server on which it is 
hosted. You go through  the server security to get to the web site. Not 
something we can fix. How long has this been happening? They may get around to 
doing the security updates in a few days. Web site manager may want to contact 
server operator to alert them to the situation.

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:05 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: for beginners

 

Bill,

Thanks - comforting to know that I am not "alone" with the challenge.

Mac

  _  

-Original Message- 
From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com   
Sent: Feb 19, 2021 4:12 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: RE: for beginners 



I use Bitdefender security software on my computer and I am having the same 
issue accessing the website for the same reason. The security certificate for 
the site is outdated and needs to be updated by the host for secure access to 
the site. I can only access the site if I override my security software; 
generally not a good idea.

 

Bill Henry

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:30 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: for beginners

 

I went into my Browser (Firefox) mothership's site and looked the "error 
message" up.

Here is what they have published for the issue I was having:

Appears to me that the "owner" of the website needs to do some "housekeeping".

When they do, I should be able to log intotha site with no problaems.

Thanks.

Mac


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Website issues


TLS version unsupported


Some websites try using outdated (no longer secure) Transport Layer Security 
  (TLS) mechanisms in an 
attempt to secure your connection. Firefox protects you by preventing 
navigation to such sites if there is a problem in securely establishing a 
connection. Contact the owners of the website and ask them to update their TLS 
version to a version that is still current and still secure. 

Starting in Firefox version 
  
78, the minimum TLS version allowed by default is TLS 1.2. Websites that don't 
support TLS version 1.2 or higher will display a Secure Connection Failed error 
page with Error code: SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION and a message that This 
website might not support the TLS 1.2 protocol, which is the minimum version 
supported by Firefox.


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-Original Message- 
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au   
Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:55 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: RE: for beginners 




Very funny guys very funny lol

Seriously mac it could be your email provider I cant ever email you off the 
group it just will never work its been like that for many months now you have 
missed out on so much stuff.

Every body else works just not to you

 

Bill


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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, 19 February 2021 2:28 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: for beginners

 

yea lol for sure at best sand flea's or fire ants right. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:18 PM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Ya never know what might come out of Australia.

They have marsupials - you know!

Kangaroos, Wallabies, wombats, and Koala and CocaCola Bears abound!!

No telling what kind of "bugs" they've got!

Mac


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From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:11 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: Re: for beginners 

Hopefully we 

RE: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

[artmarbles]

Most of the index pins legacy sold are steel dowel pins pressed into the 
aluminum holder.  They were only used if you ordered the upgraded z axis.  
There was an updated follower designed that took those pins as well.  

 

Curt made a version for himself a long time ago. Maybe he has the photos handy. 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 7:18 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

 

yes sir. I used stylus tracing pins for 20 years on Weing Grinders both the 931 
and 934. 

We matched the stylus to the grinding wheel we used and all went in the same 
hole


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:08 PM Ray Leaman mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks Tim.  I just got back on and saw the stylus posts.  The pics from 
(aussieman were great.

 

Couldn't get back to your post asking if we should have them priced out in 
brass.  Would it hurt to price both materials (aluminum and brass)?

 

Also, you probably thought of it already but in order to fit into the hole in 
the stylus adjustment plate the top of each stylus must be sized to fit that 
hole regardless of the diameter of the lower section. Right?  

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:57 PM Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ok I put in a request for pricing from him stay tuned. ok


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:46 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Doesn’t really matter witch ever you like aluminum would be cheaper I would 
think. any I would make would be steel because it’s the easiest metal to 
acquire for me

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:39 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

 

thanks Bill do we want them priced in Brass?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 5:35 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

I would add a ¾ dia one too

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:31 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

 

There we go I know someone would have all we need to make them. Give me a bit 
to get a response from my Brother he works nights

 

Thanks Bill


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:43 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:



 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2020 9:03 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Sources for the Template Follower Styluses

 

Ray I am not sure.. If someone chimes in to what we should have I can check 
with him and have him price some.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:01 PM Ray Leaman mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What do you think a good set would include size wise? Cost? Legacy had a set of 
5 I think? Don't know sizes.

 

Ray

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:39 PM Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have a brother that can make anything you could possibly want?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:24 PM Ray Leaman mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Did anyone have any sources where we might get a suitable replacement for the 
styluses we all lost or never had to begin with?

 

Ray

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RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[artmarbles]

This will help you.  https://ornamentalmills.com/history/

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Ray Leaman
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 7:42 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

 

If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine that 
would be something.

Anyone care to guess the year mine was made? 

 

Ray

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies that 
Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?

It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how new they 
are?


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Tim,

I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to see any 
reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).

Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have a Model 
Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!

Mac


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-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises 

Does your manual say what year your machine was made?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler


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On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some of you 
think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?

 

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed along with 
many other nice accessories. 

it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler


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On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

What are you referring too tim?

 

Bill


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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

 

It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those nice 
angle changing brackets. 

Does anyone else have those??? 

Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That looks 
extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture etc...

Did Tim K. ever do any of those?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler


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On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote:

These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like the cam 
locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench vise in 
order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to the 
horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger joints on 
the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other individual tools for doing 
all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of these in the shop.  Hope they set 
up as easy at they make it sound.

 

Ray

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RE: spindle motor

[artmarbles]

Looks good. Nice way to drive only the spindle.

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 1:37 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: spindle motor

 

Finished my spindle motor today first test run works ok

  https://youtu.be/BGrnHJ0Zutc  0 to 140 rpm 
slower speeds if I use the .25 and the standard index gears but I think it will 
be the little gear I made 

 

Bill

 


 

 

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RE: Question to all?

[artmarbles]

Did you make a custom z axis? In the photo I see some ballscrew thread, am I 
right?

 

From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 8:38 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question to all?

 



It’s the Green Jog button. I know when in the pause position the motor will jog 
in what ever direction the motor was turning before paused.





On Oct 19, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Ray Leaman mailto:view...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Do you have a pic of an inching switch?

 

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:31 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Install a override inching button that’s what legacy has, push that till the 
saddle moves off the  limit switch then when you let the inching button up the 
feed will keep going on its own till you stop it or it hits the other limit 
switch.

Bill

-Original Message-
From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:54 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Question to all?

Hey guys now I have a question for all. Some might remember I bought a 1200 
several months ago and decided to put a drive motor on it. Bought an original 
Dayton 90vdc (new old stock) off eBay. Bought a 90vdc controller (not 
Legacy).that all works very well. I decided to put limit switches on to control 
forward and reverse stops or left and right which ever way you wish to look at 
it.
Got everything to work but have one problem I haven’t been able to solve. When 
limit switch stops the travel in one direction I want to be able to flip the 
manual reversing switch to start the travel in the opposite direction. That 
won’t work. I have to back the router sled off the limit switch for that to 
happen. Hope I have explained that sufficiently.
I’m sure it’s probably in my wiring. Not much of an electrician. If close up 
pics would help I can post some.
Thanks
Denson

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> On Oct 19, 2020, at 12:38 AM, JOHNNY L TYLER   > wrote:
> 
> Thank you sir!  I would appreciate that help very much.
> John
> 
> 
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>   
>   > on behalf of 
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au     >
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:02 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  
> Subject: RE: Question to all?
> 
> John
> 
> A indexing pointer is not very difficult to make or get made I can 
> give you dimensions of it if you want to get one made for your mill
> 
> 
> Bill
> 
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>   >
> Sent: Monday, 19 October 2020 2:24 PM
> To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>   >
> Subject: Re: Question to all?
> 
> Sorry Johnny.  (I replied JOE.)
> At this time I do not think I can help you. ;-(
> 
> C.A.G.
> 
> On Sunday, October 18, 2020, 10:55:35 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills   
>   >> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Joe.
> 
> the spring loaded indexer is part to the head & tail stock.(Mac. 
> already bought the expanded indexer set.)  If you want that I can hold 
> onto them for you?  At this time I do not what to break the packages 
> up. Perhaps latter I will be willing to do so? but for now, its the 
> package or nothing .  sorry
> 
> C.A.G.
> 
> On Sunday, October 18, 2020, 09:28:53 PM EDT, JOHNNY L TYLER 
> mailto:cloudanc...@msn.com>   >> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi CAG,
> your method of pricing your parts is an excellent and fair way.  It is common 
> when pricing power tools--shapers, jointers, planers etc to discount them a 
> percentage for selling.  Since your parts are all new, indexing them to the 
> most recent prices from Legacy is extremely fair.
> I have everything I need for my 1200 except the spring loaded indexing 
> pointer.  If you have a spare one I'd like to buy it.  Thanks!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>   
>  
> l...@googlegroups.com  >>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:54 PM
> To: 
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  
>  
> s...@googlegroups.com 

RE: Question to all?

[artmarbles]

I have  one I can sell you. Reach me at artmarb...@comcast.net.

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From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of JOHNNY L TYLER
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:37 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question to all?

John here, I understand completely.  I'd do the same.  Let's wait and see how 
it all plays out.  Keep me in mind please.

Thanks,
John
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RE: Master Membership List

[artmarbles]

Hello All,

 

I’ve been absent for this entire subject. It seems when either Curt or Myself 
take a leave of the list, things finally get exciting. So I’m back and can 
answer the big questions. Yes there was a map that allowed members to post as 
much information that I would allow with a reasonable level of security. There 
was no password or usernames involved. I did see every new posts and I had to 
remove people from the group because they abused the system.  This all worked 
from a “hidden” link that was posted at the top of the messages in the group. 

 

Let me say that the map will be back relatively soon. It will be behind a 
membership/password system that will be needed and you must be a member of this 
group to enter the area.  I’m still working on the entire solution but it’s 
close enough to admit it’s coming. 

 

Before this happens, why not share your location in the end of your email and 
the equipment that you have. It’s called a tag line.  

 

I hope that helps and if anyone has any comments on the matter can reach me via 
artmarb...@comcast.net  .

 

-Tim

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:25 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Master Membership List

 

Dustin (and all others),

 

Back when we had the "Map of LOM Owners" available to access after we logged in 
to our Legacy Mill Google Group, we could see "map pins" placed wherever there 
was a LOM owner that opted to be placed on the map.  If I recall, when you 
cursored over one of the pins, you would see the "name" of the LOM owner and 
the "city" they associated with.  In your case, Dustin, the "name" associated 
with the pin most likely would have been "Chainlink" (unless you decided to 
have it display Dustin).  

 

As for the "city" - I'll use Tim Ziegler as an example. He lives in Foreston, 
MN.  

The nearest "big city" is St Cloud.  So he might opt to have his "city" 
listed/displayed as St Cloud.

 

If there is another LOM owner within a reasonable driving distance of that pin 
in St Cloud, and they wanted to link/meet up with a fellow LOM owner, they 
could contact Tim via an email on this board.  If Tim were interested in a meet 
up, he would reply back and they could exchange info to make the meet up happen.

 

With that pin map, there was very little info displayed.  I doubt that there 
was enough there for any "data farmer" to waste their time with.  If your map 
pin had a lot of info posted/associated with it - it was because YOU opted to 
display it there.  

 

I remember when I first got my LOM, I checked the pin map and found there were 
no owners nearby - but there were a couple within about a 2-3 hour drive.

 

By the way, one additional bit of useful info that was tied to the pin was the 
model of the LOM you owned.  

Again, what data farmer is going to waste their time/effort with that info?

I'll bet there is more "useful info" in your recycle bin and trash can that you 
and your neighbors put out each week.

 

Just my 3 cents' worth.

 

Perhaps "Master Craftsman" Tim Krause will chime in soon and give us "The rest 
of the Story" as Paul Harvey used to say.

 

Wishing all of ya'll a safe, healthy, and Fun-filled weekend!

Mac

  _  

  _  

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

-Original Message- 
From: Chainlink 
Sent: Jul 24, 2020 6:28 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Master Membership List 

I'm not sure giving out full contact information is such a good idea in 2020. 
I've had credit card fraud happen to me three times now, and I don't feel 
comfortable making it any easier. Posting my address here is not going to 
happen, so what I would suggest is that we need another way.

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RE: Dusty Dave's Legacy

[artmarbles]

Hi Mac,

 

I made those legs, they came with two rods that support the inner rails while 
adjusting the bed height.  You just insert the rod in the front hole of choice 
and slide it in the back hole.  Do this for both sides, loosen the bed rails, 
drop the bed on the supports and tighten all the screws for the bed.  This 
works for repeatable heights and tapers on the 900. There is no need for 
measuring the four  corners.  The legs where the next generation of my bed 
height tool. 

 

There is also a uninstalled x-axis lock.  It’s a faster way to lock the 
carriage in place so you can make a y-axis cut.  

 

I think you got the index number of rings correct.  I don’t remember the 
numbers.  There is a lock that you push down then rotate the table to the next 
index.  It was a well thought ought build, but it was very expensive to put it 
together.  Also it was made when the table had been discontinued. 

 

Tim

 

PS: My availability at the moment is really inconsistent due to a changeable 
schedule. 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 6:53 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dusty Dave's Legacy

 

Curt,

Are you saying the dark gray (or black) "legs" we see in the 4 corners are not 
"Legacy legs"; rather ones made by Tim?

I notice the legs have a hole pattern in the leg - vs the step notches that I 
see in most Legacy Mills. There are several models of the LOM that also had 
holes instead of the step notches - but they all had red legs.  Perhaps you 
know which models those were and when the LOMs were made that way and then what 
year Legacy switched over to the step notches.

Mac

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  _  

-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jun 28, 2020 3:24 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: Re: Dusty Dave's Legacy 

I found my self thinking that I should buy it...  Something I just can do.  But 
as I said its one very nice machine.  some more details that I did not talk 
about are, The TK riser legs are the biggest ones the Tim ever made. giving you 
a lot more room for table attachments.  The TK quick change gear changer (I 
also one one, Awesome tool.)  For $900.00 depending on the bidding, this Legacy 
is one of the best that Ive seen. 

 

C.A.G. 


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On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 01:10:29 PM EDT, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

That is a really good deal curt 

 

Bill


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From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, 29 June 2020 12:02 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Dusty Dave's Legacy

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133450803295?ul_noapp=true  

 

Hello Everyone, Here is the E-bay sale of Dave's Legacy,   

Its a Very Nice machine, Z axis, both motor drive and spindle motor,

The T.K. Quick change directional gear. Plus a lot more...

 

Check it out.

 

C.A.G.



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Woodchuck on Ebay - $900

[artmarbles]

No router, but it has the gearmotor and speed control and some gears and index 
plates.  Maybe you could convince him to part it out and recycle the rest? 
There is a obo on the listing so who knows.  Asking is free 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/283922668307?ul_noapp=true

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RE: Box making

[artmarbles]

That is really a nice looking portable solution! 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 1:52 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Box making

 

Here is an old video of the triton work center 2000 I still have one great tool 
in its day

Still is I think. And a few of their other tools

Bill

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXi2gMaK0lQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8PUGwgoNg

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGq5uPnEnMg

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6jFyd71t3w

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r73W_tzzbqE

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoXpQpgk-Ps

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, 25 June 2020 2:03 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Box making

 

Hello Everyone.

Triton is a brand that I know very little about. I know about there router. 
(bill has be raving over them for years now.) but I know next to nothing about 
this product line.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 06:53:36 PM EDT, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

I like triton too I still have a workcenter 2000, 2 super jaws and 5 triton 
routers I love triton routers I especially like the quick change option they 
have to allow you to move the router from one machine to another in seconds

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Ellis
Sent: Thursday, 25 June 2020 1:01 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Box making

 

 I did not get into this small wood working game until I bought some land and 
decided to build a house on it. If you class a Triton saw bench with a Triton 
saw underneath, then I did have a sort of table saw. 

I was into much larger saws , bought three saw mills from Stenners of Tiverton 
when I had my sawmill. And a double ended cross cut circle saw.

However my main occupation was Forestry and land clearance. I got bored with 
saw milling and like the great outdoors. And a challenge!!!??

Worked for some of the largest landowners in the country, and in my travels 
came across many bit and bobs. If I thought they were interesting I bought them 

Roger The Triton super jaws great product and I still have one I have had other 
things made by Triton.

Richard

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:46:42 PM UTC+1, Va Oak wrote:

Richard,

 

Sorry - I did not pick up on/see that.

I assumed that anyone that was in to woodworking as much as/as long as most of 
us on this Group posting would have a table saw of some sort/size.

 

You mean to say that there is a woodworker in The UK that Roger did not sell a 
table saw to?!?  LoL!

In your case then, look at the table saw as you would a boat or a swimming 
pool.  It's best to not own own one - rather, have a friend that does.

 

 

Mac


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-Original Message- 
From: Richard Ellis 
Sent: Jun 23, 2020 3:19 PM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Box making 

Hi Mac

As I have said before I have not got a Table Saw.

 

Richard


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On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:43:00 PM UTC+1, Va Oak wrote:

Bill,

Sorry - I saw that "TongXu" and immediately thought "Chi-Com knock-off". 

Thanks for the link - however, I will not buy from China whenever I can get a 
similar product made elsewhere. (Not always easy.)

In the case of Woodpeckers' products, the Chi-Coms make exact copies and, like 
you stated, sell them for a LOT less. (There was a time, not long ago, where 
they even used Woodpeckers' photos for their Chi-Com products in their eBay 
postings.)

If the Woodpecker pieces (made of aluminum) are pricey, there are ones made of 
high-tech polymers, like the one you posted, available thru Rockler, Woodcraft, 
Peachtree, Klingspor, etc. (possibly made in China too)

 

Brigitte - you get The Prize - for your recommendation to "Make your own" out 
of plywood.  

 

Richard - If you have your table saw and miter gauge set up to give you 
accurate 90º cuts, why not create a jig from plywood that will fit perfectly 
inside the assembled box (before you glue it up - test fit it)?  The jig should 
be 2 pieces of ply with a spacer block between them.  Size that spacer so that 
one of the ply pieces will lay flush with the bottom edges of the bottom of the 
box and the top ply piece will be close to even with the top edges of the top 
of the box.  Apperance-wise, (if the sides were all squares instead of 
rectangles) it will look like you now have a solid wood cube. (In your case it 
will be a rectangular box.)  Now you can glue he 4 sides 

RE: Want to put a motor my 1200

[artmarbles]

Thanks for the input.  Does your 1200 have the roller bearings on the leadscrew?

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of JOHNNY L TYLER
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 6:25 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

Tim, I printed off your actual sized picture of the mounting plate and compared 
it to my 1200.  The 1200 came pre-drilled from Legacy to receive the mounting 
plate for a 4Z131B.  What I discovered from your drawing is that the shaft 
diameter is located correctly and oversized adequately to slip over the 5/8" 
leadscrew, but only the top hole that attaches the plate to the frame leg 
matches up properly.  Since I don't have this motor, I suggest that it would be 
easy to fashion a mounting plate from 1/8" steel using your pattern, drill the 
second plate mounting hole to match the 1200's other predrilled hole, get the 
motor and drill the plate to match the motor mounting holes.  This will only 
work for those with a 1200 (or 2000) with a 4Z131B motor, of course. 

John 


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of artmarb...@comcast.net 

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:47 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Want to put a motor my 1200

Hi Arkady,

Print out the attached pdf file using the “Print Actual Size” setting and see 
if it will work for you

I made this file by using cad data from Grainger and modified my 4Z128 motor 
mount. I have not verified any of the dimensions and it should only work on the 
Model 900 that has bronze bushing on the leadscrew.  If you have roller 
bearings on the leadscrew, it might not work.  I don’t have those dimensions.

Please let me know if this works for you.

-Tim

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Arkady Paka
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:17 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

Hello everybody.
I have dayton 4Z131B 90 volt dc motor but can't find bracket blueprint to mount 
it to my LOM 900.
Anybody can help? Maybe some pics?
Arkady from Ukraine.


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RE: Want to put a motor my 1200

[artmarbles]

Dirt cheap example.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-ME-8108-Momentary-Self-reset-Limit-Switch-Roller-Lever-CNC-Mill-Plasma-IP65/402283547370?hash=item5da9f7caea:g:lwAAAOSwBhJe1zwG

 

Not an endorsement. 

 

From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 6:08 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Thank you.

Denson

Sent from Denson's iPhone





On Jun 19, 2020, at 8:04 PM, artmarb...@comcast.net 
  wrote:



Most industrial style limit switches offer both nc/no (normally closed/normally 
open). Legacy used normally closed. They broke the power to the motor. The over 
ride switch closed the connection to the motor so you could switch the 
direction of the motor and back off the limit switch. 

 

Ebay is a good source, other wise they are very expensive via standard 
industrial supply houses.

 

From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 5:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Does anyone have the specs on the original legacy lead screw limit switches or 
know where I can find two that will work on LOM?

Thanks

Denson

Sent from Denson's iPhone






On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:15 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:



I think that is quite a good deal considering back in the day to buy from 
legacy was almost $1000

 

Bill

 

From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2020 8:31 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Well just bought a Dayton 4Z131B new on eBay for under $200 shipped.

Found a nice controller on eBay as well around $115 shipped. Now just need 
limit switches and a mounting plate.

Hope I got a good price. All those I’ve asked said yes.

Denson

Sent from Denson's iPhone







On Jun 19, 2020, at 2:57 PM, wkhill99 . mailto:wkhil...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Bill, 

 

A 387 oz nema-23 has 24lbs/in of torque.  What are your thoughts on how strong 
it needs to be?  This goes back to my earlier question about proper sizing.  I 
don't think I've ever applied that much force when turning on my LOM but then 
again many folks may have used their machine in a different capacity.

 

Dustin,

 

How much did your setup set you back (if you don't mind me asking)?  I noticed 
that you are using Mach3.  You've essentially turned your LOM into a CNC Lathe 
and small bed CNC.  What would you do differently in retrospect?

 

Wes

 

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:06 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Looks impressive but I think the motor would need to be much bigger to get the 
torque to work the legacy

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of wkhill99 .
Sent: Friday, 19 June 2020 2:05 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Hey Bill,

 

Steppers are variable speed and can have pretty high torque at low speeds.  
Just needs to be sized correctly for the LOM (I'm thinking a nema 23 or 34).  
Here's an example youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FsA1yoZ840  About 
1 min or so into the video, the fellow has the motor going really slowly.

 

Wes

 

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 10:39 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

I don’t know anything about stepper motors aren’t they high speed rpm or can 
they run slow without torque  loss

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of wkhill99 .
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 1:12 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Has anyone considered using stepper motors / drivers with their legacy, like a 
nema-23 or 34?

 

Wes

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 7:09 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Legacys exact  motor was a dayton 4Z131B 90volt dc motor

Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of JOHNNY L TYLER
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 9:58 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

Thanks for the clarification, John.  I very much appreciate the follow-up!  

John Tyler

RE: Want to put a motor my 1200

[artmarbles]

Most industrial style limit switches offer both nc/no (normally closed/normally 
open). Legacy used normally closed. They broke the power to the motor. The over 
ride switch closed the connection to the motor so you could switch the 
direction of the motor and back off the limit switch. 

 

Ebay is a good source, other wise they are very expensive via standard 
industrial supply houses.

 

From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 5:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Does anyone have the specs on the original legacy lead screw limit switches or 
know where I can find two that will work on LOM?

Thanks

Denson

Sent from Denson's iPhone





On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:15 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
  wrote:



I think that is quite a good deal considering back in the day to buy from 
legacy was almost $1000

 

Bill

 

From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2020 8:31 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Well just bought a Dayton 4Z131B new on eBay for under $200 shipped.

Found a nice controller on eBay as well around $115 shipped. Now just need 
limit switches and a mounting plate.

Hope I got a good price. All those I’ve asked said yes.

Denson

Sent from Denson's iPhone






On Jun 19, 2020, at 2:57 PM, wkhill99 . mailto:wkhil...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Bill, 

 

A 387 oz nema-23 has 24lbs/in of torque.  What are your thoughts on how strong 
it needs to be?  This goes back to my earlier question about proper sizing.  I 
don't think I've ever applied that much force when turning on my LOM but then 
again many folks may have used their machine in a different capacity.

 

Dustin,

 

How much did your setup set you back (if you don't mind me asking)?  I noticed 
that you are using Mach3.  You've essentially turned your LOM into a CNC Lathe 
and small bed CNC.  What would you do differently in retrospect?

 

Wes

 

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:06 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Looks impressive but I think the motor would need to be much bigger to get the 
torque to work the legacy

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of wkhill99 .
Sent: Friday, 19 June 2020 2:05 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Hey Bill,

 

Steppers are variable speed and can have pretty high torque at low speeds.  
Just needs to be sized correctly for the LOM (I'm thinking a nema 23 or 34).  
Here's an example youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FsA1yoZ840  About 
1 min or so into the video, the fellow has the motor going really slowly.

 

Wes

 

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 10:39 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

I don’t know anything about stepper motors aren’t they high speed rpm or can 
they run slow without torque  loss

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of wkhill99 .
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 1:12 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Has anyone considered using stepper motors / drivers with their legacy, like a 
nema-23 or 34?

 

Wes

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 7:09 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Legacys exact  motor was a dayton 4Z131B 90volt dc motor

Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of JOHNNY L TYLER
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 9:58 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

Thanks for the clarification, John.  I very much appreciate the follow-up!  

John Tyler


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of John Hennen 
mailto:john.hen...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:32 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

Grainge stopped making the speed control in 2005. The DC motor we used ended in 
2008.

I recommended a Dzc motor with a 5/8 shaft. But you may have forgotten that.  
The speed control you will need to fit the motor.


On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 4:18 PM 

RE: Want to put a motor my 1200

[artmarbles]

Hi Arkady,

 

Print out the attached pdf file using the “Print Actual Size” setting and see 
if it will work for you

 

I made this file by using cad data from Grainger and modified my 4Z128 motor 
mount. I have not verified any of the dimensions and it should only work on the 
Model 900 that has bronze bushing on the leadscrew.  If you have roller 
bearings on the leadscrew, it might not work.  I don’t have those dimensions.

 

Please let me know if this works for you.

 

-Tim

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Arkady Paka
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:17 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Want to put a motor my 1200

 

Hello everybody.

I have dayton 4Z131B 90 volt dc motor but can't find bracket blueprint to mount 
it to my LOM 900.

Anybody can help? Maybe some pics?

Arkady from Ukraine.

 

 

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900-4z131-motor-mount.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

RE: patents, copyrights, trademarks

[artmarbles]

Hi John,

 

I don’t have any drawings from Legacy.

 

-Tim

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of John Hennen
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 2:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: patents, copyrights, trademarks

 

>From the legacy perspective... Make them! Tim has been given the drawings for 
>split nuts, bearings and if he needs anything else he can drop andy a line.  
>As for the design kit, go for it! if you have a laser and can cut them then do 
>it! we give the DXF patterns of all the bits on our website as a FREE download 
>to anyone that wants to download them.  

 

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:14 PM Michael Kratky mailto:krat...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

FYI:

 

A U.S. utility patent, is generally granted for 20 years from the date the 
patent application is filed; however, periodic fees are required to maintain 
the enforceability of the patent. A design patent is generally granted 
protection for 14 years measured from the date the design patent is granted.

A U.S. trademark generally lasts as long as the trademark is used in commerce 
and defended against infringement.

Copyright protection is for a limited term. For works created after January 1, 
1978, copyrights last for 70 years after the death of the author. For works 
"made for hire" (covering the usual type of work owned by a small business), 
the copyright lasts for a term of 95 years from the year of its first 
publication or a term of 120 years from the year of its creation, whichever 
expires first. 

Michael

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 ] 
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 11:17 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Height gauge

 

Good suggestion.

You never know until you ask...

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, May 25, 2020, 11:14:59 PM EDT, Ryan Jurgens mailto:rtjurg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Why doesn't someone just call Legacy and see if it is ok? If tbey aren't making 
them anymore than perhaps they won't mind.

 

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Denson

That is a good offer, but Legacy and or Magnate, owns the copy writes to those 
profiles/templates...  I think we may have a problem selling anything with a 
copy infringement, 

I would suggest if you want a copy for your self. do so, but when money is 
involved Legal areas are a bit cloudy,   Which means lawyers... at the worst, 
and Making Legacy (the comp.) Mad, to be sure. 

I don't think its a good idea.

 

With products like this, there really is not any money to be made. the market 
is just not there. Why take the chances, the penalty far out way the profit.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, May 25, 2020, 05:30:56 PM EDT, 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hey fellers, 

I got a set of the design router templates when I bought my used LOM 1200. 

I have a friend who wants a set of templates so I contacted a guy I know who 
has a laser engraver/cnc who says he can duplicate them for $30 ea. For the 3, 
$90. 

Is that a good price or is there a cheaper way?

Sent from Denson's iPhone

 

On May 25, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Donald Donley mailto:apteryx...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If you can't find what you are looking for - Woodcraft sells a number of Wixey 
products that may serve a a great substitute - good luck!

 

 

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 7:07 AM ITwoodwork mailto:rhp...@gmail.com> > wrote:



On Monday, 25 May 2020 00:19:40 UTC+1, legacy woodworking wrote:

Does anyone know where Legacy got the height gauge for the carrier upgrade?  I 
have somehow lost one of the little buttons on mine (I have had them fall out 
several times but most of the time I find them right away)

 

Do you have a photo of the actual height gauge less the missing part, it may be 
a small metric thread rather than American.

Cheers

Roger in UK 

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RE: Height gauge

[artmarbles]

The digital scale on the z-axis? 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of jwb...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 4:20 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Height gauge

 

Does anyone know where Legacy got the height gauge for the carrier upgrade?  I 
have somehow lost one of the little buttons on mine (I have had them fall out 
several times but most of the time I find them right away)

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RE: Legacy 1500EX w/ router for sale

[artmarbles]

Do you have any photos?  There are two versions of that model designation.  

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Daniel Baughman
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:30 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Legacy 1500EX w/ router for sale

I have recently acquired the following mill. Runs great. Located in Prosper, 
TX, just north of Dallas. Asking $1100, comes with additional set of rails.

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RE: clamps

[artmarbles]

I hope you mean this as a joke? Both examples are copying a version of what is 
known as a “Toe Clamp” taken from the machinist folks.  They are just another 
tool to be able to hold items down low to machine off the top surface. 

 

In my humble opinion, Legacy’s looks inspired from a vise stop. That is  small 
clamp that you clip on a kurt style vice to be able to relocate a part once 
moved from out of the vise. 

 

It might even been inspired by a “rule-stop” designed to clip onto rulers. 

 

So I’m going with you’re just trying to kick up some new chat!

 

Look up Harold Hall and “low profile clamp” and get inspired.

 

-Tim

 

 

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 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:35 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: clamps

 

https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/707135578975107401/

 



 

now did this guy copy legacy or did legacy copy this guy ? or perhaps just 
coincidental 

 

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RE: Question on the Legacy's Z axis

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We have members in their 80’s.  I don’t think we have any members in their 90’s 
or greater. 

 

Remember to trim your posts and create new messages when the topic changes. 

 

Thank you.

 

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RE: Question on the Legacy's Z axis

[artmarbles]

You got a point that I had not considered.

 

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 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:27 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question on the Legacy's Z axis

 

Stop build it then fix any issues as they happen I think, a plunge router on a 
Z axis is needed if it’s a tilting router on the Z axis 

 

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RE: Question on the Legacy's Z axis

[artmarbles]

Hi Bob,

 

Have you tried looking at the top-hat bushings? They can be rotated to another 
spot and they will be like brand new.

 

To all, 

Their were 3 designs that I’m aware of.  The last design did have a plunge rod 
like the plunge routers to help with the plunge problem.  

 

Another more frequently written about is how the first version, there is a stop 
on the left side. In use, it is driven down by the power of the acme thread and 
that causes the router to plunge deeper.  For that a showed an example rework 
of the stop.  It’s somewhere buried in the old messages. It’s probably in 2012.

 

I’ve never seen anyone use a plunge router in a z-axis design. I’ve thought 
about it and I think it’s not needed.

 

Sitting in my shop there are parts for a z-axis for the newer style machines, 
but I’ve not finished the design yet. Curt keeps nudging with new ideas, and at 
some point you just need to freeze a design and build it.  Fix any issues on 
the next one and hopefully the third one will work!

 

-Tim

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Bob Mark
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:33 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question on the Legacy's Z axis

 

I have the crank style Z axis with digital readout. It uses a height bar setup. 
You dial in the height and lock the bar. Then try to reproduce that height, no 
way. As the router drops, the z carriage cocks a little to one side and goes 
deeper than set. I have done all I can think of to take the play out of the 
carriage, but to no avail. When i purchased this upgrade i thought it was cool. 
 Not so much now. When the router is running it will settle some on its own. I 
will eventually come up with somehing.

Sent from Bob Mark's iPad





On May 8, 2020, at 6:57 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:



Hello Everyone.

 

I was asked in a private e-mail about the Legacy's Z axis. The Gentleman owns a 
model 1200 and wants more...

 

Now Everyone here knows that Legacy no longer sells the parts he wants. I 
suggested that the question be brought up to the group. (so that's why I am 
posting this question to the group.)

 

Everyone here knows that I made my Own Z axis For my Legacy 1000ex. ,(So, I 
will be adding my own 2 cents on this topic latter.)  Has anyone else made 
there own? or have any plans to try to?

 

Part 2 of the question.

A lot of people own the Original Z axis that Legacy made.  What's the Pro's and 
Con's of it. What do you like and or dis-like about it.  

Is there anything about it you would change? and if so how? and why?

 

Any and all ideas or thoughts are welcome.

 

Have a good day.

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Post too large - 1000 Steely

[artmarbles]

I’m sorry for your loss.  That’s a good ad. The price is really high, but who 
knows what the buyer is willing to pay. Your machine will do some amazing 
turnings.

 

Tim

 

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 On Behalf Of 4 Jim Carpenter
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 9:28 PM
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Subject: Post too large - 1000 Steely

 

Facebook Merchandiser listing - Jim has passed - final expenses due - need a 
sale !

Started to sell just LOM and router - told add parts - see the add at:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/233281854539075/

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RE: Legacy 1500EX auction

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They still have 2x gears and split nuts. Accessories, or body parts, no chance. 
 Call and ask for Cindy and be nice!

 

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 On Behalf Of Denis Pinard
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 4:57 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Legacy 1500EX auction

 

To bad Legacy do not make parts for manual mill anymore. I am sure there would 
be some sale.

 

Le mer. 15 avr. 2020 13:40, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > a écrit :

Well, no one stole that 1500, but it was a good deal, in my opinion... hammer 
fell at $1,100, plus to big, which I think is 15%, which makes it a total of 
$1,265... good to see there is still an interest in the Legacy manual 
machines... Joe B.

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RE: Fed up with messing parts up

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When you say “Clamp” are you referring to me shaft collars or how you have 
mounted the wood on your milling table?

 

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RE: legacy cnc spindle mill

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Hi Bill,

 

John works for Legacy.

 

-Tim

 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:12 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: legacy cnc spindle mill

 

 

 

From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au   
mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:02 PM
To: 'legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: legacy cnc spindle mill

 

Amazing how do you know all this do you have a official legacy page about it or 
do you own one, if you have a legacy page please could you take a copy and post 
it here for me

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of John Hennen
Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2020 8:35 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: legacy cnc spindle mill

 

18 inch diameter
It comes in a 4,6, or 8 foot length

3phase power with a 13hp spindle.

Down draft dust collection

 

What other specs would you like to know?

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:39 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHUcNxai474

 

I was browsing all of legacys videos and

 

I wonder what ever happened to this legacy cnc mill  a couple of videos then 
nothing

I looked like it might turn larger spindles than the standard 10inch dia that 
all their mills do now.I couldn’t find any specs on it 

Not that I can afford one but I am interested on its specifications for my own 
interest.

 

Bill

 

 


 

 

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RE: Head-stock Play

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http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/loose_movements/index.html

 

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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Head-stock Play

 

This article I wrote up a long time ago might help.

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of The Viking
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:09 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Head-stock Play

 

 

 

Hello All,

 

I haven't used my LOM 900 for a few months, so today I cleaned and lubed it up. 
As part of that effort, I noticed that the head-stock has a bit of play in and 
out along the X axis - about 75 thou. I'm curious if that is inherent in these 
machines or has mine developed too much slop. If the answer is too much, what 
do I do about it?

 

Thanks very much in advance.

 

Jon Erik

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RE: Head-stock Play

[artmarbles]

This article I wrote up a long time ago might help.

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of The Viking
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:09 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Head-stock Play

 

 

 

Hello All,

 

I haven't used my LOM 900 for a few months, so today I cleaned and lubed it up. 
As part of that effort, I noticed that the head-stock has a bit of play in and 
out along the X axis - about 75 thou. I'm curious if that is inherent in these 
machines or has mine developed too much slop. If the answer is too much, what 
do I do about it?

 

Thanks very much in advance.

 

Jon Erik

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RE: Router dead

[artmarbles]

I’m no help on this one.  I was going to say it’s time for a new router due to 
lack of replacement parts, the cost exceeded the value of the router and second 
hand sales on ebay where not that good of a deal. My only other thought that 
did not get asked is this, does the spindle turn by hand? If so he’s still out 
of luck, otherwise, it would be a bearing issue.  With the mention of the 
spindle turning backwards was a real “Huh?” moment. I’d pay extra for that 
option! AC motors are not easy to change direction .

 

That’s my 1 cent worth

 

-Tim

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 11:50 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Router dead

 

Hi Patrick,

 

Just a quick note - to inquire as to whether or not you received my reply about 
a week ago to this posting.

In it I gave you several "troubleshooting" suggestions - that have worked for 
me in the past.

I also commented regarding suitable "replacement" routers.

 

Just curious - because I have seen no postings by other Group members to your 
troubleshooting "question".  

I figured you would get some excellent tips from either Tim Krause or Joe 
Biuno.  Let's all pray that Joe B. (NY Joe) is not laid up in the hospital with 
the Wuhan/ChiCom Virus!  (Let us hear from you, Joe.)

 

I did see a couple that commented on Triton routers.  I know Bill loves them.  
I would expect nothing less - since they are an Australian company.  

I do not own one - but hear nothing but Great comments about the Triton product 
line.

Let us know what the problem was with your router - and how you "fixed" it.  
That may prove to be helpful to other Group members sometime down the road.

Thanks.

 

Stay Healthy and be Safe.

Mac

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-Original Message-
>From: Patrick Salter 
>Sent: Mar 23, 2020 7:59 PM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Router dead
>
>I’m in the middle of project and after stopping my porter cable 7529 to reset 
>for the next cut, I started the router and it made like a buzzing noise and 
>start turning much slower. Shut it off. Blew it out with air compressor. Tried 
>to start. Still buzzing and at first started to turn backwards for a second 
>before turning slower in the right direction. 
>Any ideas what is the problem? Brushes are good. Armature dirty? Speed control 
>shot? Not holding my mouth right? (Something my Dad accused me of many times)
>
>If worse case, any suggestions for a replacement router?




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RE: flexable sanding pads

[artmarbles]

Here’s the source. 

 

https://www.woodworkingshop.com/

 

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 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:41 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: flexable sanding pads

 

Check this out guys from infinity tools

 

https://www.infinitytools.com/flexible-foam-sanding-pads?utm_source=remarkety 

 
_medium=email_campaign=Wed%203%2F11_content=&_rmId=QO6JQ5NoYohbyJ9bePwYswZ0Y10YpNFo62qp

 

don’t know anything about them but looks ok

 

Bill

 


 

 

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RE: Measuring Tapes - L to R and R to L reading

[artmarbles]

My custom rule is not too short.  It’s the amount of a stock mill.

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:51 AM
To: Legacy Goog Group 
Subject: Measuring Tapes - L to R and R to L reading

 

Curtis, A week or so ago you asked about measuring tapes - and Tim was kind 
enough to gift you one (You deserved it.)

 

I just came across these - they are in an email I received from Woodcraft.

Check them out.  (The one from Tim is somewhat short.  Perhaps that's all you 
needed.)  

Not sure how long you needed - but these are in the 12" to 16' range.

If you don't need them, I am sure other Group members will.

 

Measuring Tapes: 

   L to R and R to L

 

Enjoy.

Mac

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RE: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[artmarbles]

Better than just made in the USA, it’s made in Oregon! Home sweet home!

Tim,

Very nice work.  The BIG Deal on your tape - in addition to the 
"OrnamentalMills.com" of course - was the "USA"!

I trust that that means "they" (assuming you had several made) were "Made in 
the USA" (Like we always hear the Woodpecker product videos state.)

 

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RE: Thank you Tim & today's project.

[artmarbles]

Great Curt, you’re welcome.  I had these made up for a project idea that did 
not pan out. Notice how fine the increment markings are?  The tapes are custom 
of my own design so of course I had to have our name put on them.

 

 

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RE: Legacy 900 for sale

[artmarbles]

It is a 900 with the ball bearing headstock so it’s more likely a late model 
since it also has the longer aluminum rail on the y axis.  This allowed the 
owner to update to the z-axis upgrade. The leadscrew in the front has ball 
bearings so that also points to a late model. The legs are an accessory as is 
the router bit holder that is mounted in the front.  No rotary table but there 
is a circle cutter in the drawer. They also have the extended pattern follower. 

 

It’s a screaming deal if you ask me.

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:53 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Legacy 900 for sale

 

Interesting listing.  Thanks for posting it, Curt.  

 

He does state:  

"Photo is stock if you are interested let me know and I can get more detailed 
photos."

 

That leads you to think there's only one photo - a "stock" one.  I think the 
first photo (which is NOT his Mill) is one he cut-pasted from the internet.  It 
could be one owned by a Group member.

 

He has since posted "more photos" - and they are most likely of the Mill he is 
selling.  I think it is a fairly "early model" 900(?) - looks like a "Steely".

Any guesses/ideas as to which specific model it is?

 

To their credit, it appears that he/she USED their Mill quite a bit - based 
upon the various turnings we see in the last two photos.  They also are 
including quite a few router bits - many of which appear to be Magnate. (Seller 
should give more info/details on them.) 

 

Look at the spindles in the next to last photo - it is the one with 4 taller 
turnings and two shorter ones.  

I have never seen a turning like the tall one on the far right.  It is much 
different than any others I have seen posted anywhere - to include in our Group.

Has any member turned one like this one?  How did you do it - What bits, etc.?

 

I hope the current owner is a member of our Group and will enlighten us.  Also 
- if you are - Best of luck with your FaceBook sale and tell whomever buys it 
about our Legacy Ornamental Mill Group.  They will appreciate what they can 
pick up on/learn here.

 

Have a Terrific Tuesday!

Mac

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-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Jan 14, 2020 8:26 AM 
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Legacy 900 for sale 




Chicago, IL  $750.00   

Looks like a good deal to me.

 

C.A.G.

Legacy Ornamental Mill Model 900 
 

 




   


Legacy Ornamental Mill Model 900


Legacy Model 900 mill for doing ornamental works(spirals, fluting, turnings, 
etc.). This is the mill that starte...



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RE: Looking for a new self stick tape measure for my Legacy

[artmarbles]

We talk all the time. Do you feel left out? 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:05 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Looking for a new self stick tape measure for my Legacy

 

Call ? don’t mean email 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
artmarb...@comcast.net  
Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2020 6:56 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: Looking for a new self stick tape measure for my Legacy

 

I’ve got a custom  on that you would like, give me a call on Saturday.

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:17 PM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Looking for a new self stick tape measure for my Legacy

 

Hello everyone.

I am looking for a new adhesive tape for my Y axis.  it needs to be 0 to both 
left and right, like a center finding ruler.

Everyone that owns a Legacy has what I am looking for, (it came with the 
machine.) 

But sadly for me. I need a new one and can not find them anywhere. dose anyone 
know where to find this tape? 

 

the Legacy is 15" form out rail to rail, So a  tape with 0 and 7.5" on ether 
side would work out great. I don't even care about the color. (the silver was 
nice, but I will go with anything I can read.) 

 

C.A.G. 

 

 

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RE: Looking for a new self stick tape measure for my Legacy

[artmarbles]

I’ve got a custom  on that you would like, give me a call on Saturday.

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:17 PM
To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Looking for a new self stick tape measure for my Legacy

 

Hello everyone.

I am looking for a new adhesive tape for my Y axis.  it needs to be 0 to both 
left and right, like a center finding ruler.

Everyone that owns a Legacy has what I am looking for, (it came with the 
machine.) 

But sadly for me. I need a new one and can not find them anywhere. dose anyone 
know where to find this tape? 

 

the Legacy is 15" form out rail to rail, So a  tape with 0 and 7.5" on ether 
side would work out great. I don't even care about the color. (the silver was 
nice, but I will go with anything I can read.) 

 

C.A.G. 

 

 

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RE: LOM 1200 "Steely" on eBay - BiN: $1,400 - New Lenox, IL

[artmarbles]

He will not see your message Mac.  As per his request I removed his messages 
and his membership.

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:27 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: LOM 1200 "Steely" on eBay - BiN: $1,400 - New Lenox, IL

 

Brad,

 

I'm sorry you interpreted my suggestion in a negative light.  

I am also very sorry to hear that health issues are causing you to have to 
downsize and move.

My intent was to Help you get a LOT more attention focused on YOUR Mill.  

Yours would not get the attention - comments & questions from Group Members - 
if it was tucked away in a posting for an old (very old?) Steely mill.

 

If you need help getting it posted here - in its own posting, we can and will 
help you do that.  All you need to do is ask for help.  It will cost you 
nothing.

 

If you had a 5 year old Ford F-150 that you wanted to sell - I don't think you 
would want to put it in the same ad with a 15 year old Datsun pickup truck.  
The two will have appeal to two quite different buyers.  Same applies to the 
Steely Mill and your Loaded Model 1200 w/drive motor.

 

Please reconsider your decision to withdraw from The Group - and re-post your 
Mill here; or ask for help in getting that accomplished. Let The Group show you 
we are here to help members; especially when they need it the most.

 

Sincerely,

Mac

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-Original Message- 
From: Brad Hutton 
Sent: Jan 4, 2020 11:51 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: Re: LOM 1200 "Steely" on eBay - BiN: $1,400 - New Lenox, IL 

Sorry for breaking the rules. Remove my post and me from the group. My health 
has caused me to downsize and move back to town. Was just offering the group a 
hell of a deal on a nice mill before I list it on the market. The mill was 
never used. 

 

Peace. 

Sent from my iPhone

Brad


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On Jan 4, 2020, at 6:51 PM, MWF mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Hi Brad,

 

Suggestion:  Will you start a "New" Posting for your Legacy Mill?

The one you tagged on to is for an older model - and we like to keep the Mills 
for sale separate from each other.

This way the questions and comments don't get convoluted and drawn out as to 
which is being discussed.

I am quite certain Tim, our Group's Moderator, will eventually echo the same 
suggestion to you.

 

Here in a new decade, I know he wants us all to do what we can to clean up our 
posts and our comments to posts others make.  This is welcome news because some 
folks wander WAY off topic on a posting.  It is harder to find discussions on 
something you remember reading if the Topic is one item and much/most of the 
discussion has morphed to a different item from the original.

 

Thanks.

Mac


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-Original Message- 
From: Brad Hutton 
Sent: Jan 4, 2020 7:38 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  
Subject: Re: LOM 1200 "Steely" on eBay - BiN: $1,400 - New Lenox, IL 


Moving back to town. 1200 for sale. Used only once. 6500.00 worth of stuff. 
Motorized. 2000.00. In Topeka, Kansas. 

 

Brad Hutton. 

 













Sent from my iPhone

Brad


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On Jan 1, 2020, at 3:54 PM, MWF mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Hi guys,

 

Here is a new appearance for a LOM on eBay.

The owner must have been reading some of our past posts about "good eBay 
listings" and "not so good eBay listings.

They have given us quite a big description - covering almost everything about 
it.  No router included.

The seller has been in eBay business for a LONG time - over 20 years!!   And 
says he has shipped BIG stuff - so shipping to you should not be a challenge.

 

Good luck if you are interested.

 

Mac

 

LOM 1200 Steely on eBay  

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RE: Assembly manuals for LOM 1200

[artmarbles]

Here’s your download link.

 

ornamentalmills.com/uploads/modernLegacyManual.pdf

 

Please do not redistribute.

 

-Tim

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Liz Duncanson
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:02 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Assembly manuals for LOM 1200

 

Tim,

I would also very much appreciate a download of the manuals.  Thank you in 
advance.

Best Regards, Jim Duncanson

 

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

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RE: Legacy assembly manuals

[artmarbles]

Hi Paul and All.

 

I have an agreement that all manuals, training materials etc. are to be 
distributed only to the group members and only through me.  There are backups 
incase something happens to me. I’m not a copyright lawyer so I can’t comment 
on the lack of an official copyrights on all of the material Legacy created. 

 

If you have any other question, let me know.

 

-Tim 

 

 

PS, Mac you got it all right, You get a gold star!

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RE: Leveling 900 Rails

[artmarbles]

My  height tool uses 3/16” stainless steel. The old models (1000/1500) all had 
round holes that you used as a visual check.  Then you would measure all the 
corners at least once to make sure the bed was level.  The newer machine used 
the same visual method and measurement.  I developed my  version only for the 
900’s because at the time only standing models of the 1200/1800 where being 
sold. With the added acme screw on both ends it was easier to set the bed.  You 
still had to measure the four corners to make things flat enough.  

 

Enter my height tool.  It uses twice the amount of locations then the old 
models but the real innovation was using the rods.  When placing the rods in 
the brackets, you are able to let the bed rest on a repeatable location.  Then 
simply tighten the bed down.  No need to check all the corners.  They will 
always be in the same place. 

 

Hope that helps.

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 6:50 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails

 

Richard

Legacy started making the slots in there machines when they started there new 
factory, WITH there new CNC laser. 

My guess why they started making this design, is simply there new laser could 
do the job quicker  (Time is money.) On the older machines many of the parts 
were punched out, with a press. The laser could do the same jobs (even if so, 
they were a little different) faster and cheaper then the old ways of making 
there machines.

 

I would also like to point out, it wasn't but a few years after Legacy started 
using a CNC laser, until they making everything CNC, and drooped the manual 
line all together.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 04:30:07 AM EST, Richard Ellis 
mailto:rchrd.ell...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Bill

Further to my post a few minutes ago. I do not intend to keep the shortened 900 
.in fact I have had it up for sale for weeks and no one wants it., £600  o.n.o

I do not want to spend any money on it ,just time and out of interest. It is 
just another challenge???

Richard


On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 9:20:39 AM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:

Bill

I wonder what the rods were like ,or if they were round or flat rods. 

Richard

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 8:42:33 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:

The slots were put there to line up the rails to to set the bed heights but 
they never were really accurate I feel.

But see what you come up with Richard you might work something better let me 
know how you get on 

 

Bill

 

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On Behalf Of Richard Ellis
Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2019 7:09 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.%20com> >
Subject: Re: Leveling 900 Rails

 

Bill

I fully understand that Tim's tool is an excellent idea. But I am interested as 
to why the slots were put there. I am sure Legacy did not just put them there 
for no good reason.

Did you see my old post when I showed the adjustment  for the Revo?

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:42:46 PM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:

I have seen Tims device but it looks a lot like the supports that are on the 
900 With all the slots See pics

 

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Re: TK Made Items

[artmarbles]

One other thing, the chuck are only 1/2" high so not much room for multiple 
O-rings.Sent from Samsung tablet
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Re: TK Made Items

[artmarbles]

The O-ring solely for the purpose of holding the pieces together. It doesn't 
protrude outside of the chucks. When using, I only lost a couple out of 
hundreds. Some were lost to over tightening and the grain split. However it 
might also have been the wood.  Hard to say for sure.PVC is a very grippy 
plastic compared to other polymers. That is why I chose it. I thought of steel 
and aluminium but I decided I wanted to use a sacrificial type of material. Of 
course it's really nothing to a carbide bit to eat those up!Great question and 
comments.Sent from Samsung tablet
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Re: Tailstocks through the years

[artmarbles]

To clarify, I'm asking about the diameter of the so called dead center that 
legacy made in house that has a smaller diameter than 1".That example is a 
stellar tailstock that I've admired since you posted it in 2012.  Thanks for 
showing it!Tim
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RE: TK Made Items

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I never shared this one, so your memory is not failing yet!
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Re: Questionable E-bay sale

[artmarbles]

Hi Mac,To the best of my knowledge, all 1200/1800 models had bearings in them.  
The model 900 and 1000/1500 had an upgrade path. To get more nerdy, the model 
900 only needed the headstock while the 1000/1500 needed both the headstock and 
tailstock. This is because the early models spindle location was offset and not 
in the center like the newer models.Tim
 Original message From: MWF  Date: 
9/11/19  9:02 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Questionable E-bay sale body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:#ff;color:black;}p{margin:0px;}Curtis,Thank
 you for the followup & link to the eBay posting.  Mill seems to be in 
Excellent condition.  I think I may have said I felt it had never been used - 
based on a variety of things I observed in the earlier posting.  That gut 
feeling seems to be supported by the latest photos.  I notice that the 3-4 
clamping pieces for securing the router are displayed in a photo with the dust 
catching "bag" - and the pics of the Z-Axis upgrade have those clamps pieces 
absent (not installed).Pretty much everything here is squeaky clean.  The Mill 
is either unused or the owner is FASTIDIOUS as regards keeping it pristine!Very 
nice that it has the Z-Axis Upgrade.  I also note it has what appears to be a 
Bosch router installed and the Spindle/Drive end appears to be one with the 
bearing set (vs Delrin?).  He has a lot in this listing.  It will make someone 
a GREAT acquisition.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Sep 11, 2019 9:56 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Questionable E-bay sale


Thank you Ryan.  (It looks to be a very nice 
machine.)https://www.ebay.com/itm/ Legacy-Ornamental-mill- machines-Model-1200/ 
143371383252?hash= item216199b1d4:g:o- UAAOSwp8RdaFAE$1895.00Legacy Ornamental 
mill machines!!! Model 1200  | eBayUnit creates various wood moldings such as 
spindles, spirals, and fluted rope moldings. Many other molding profi...C.A.G.





On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 09:04:36 AM EDT, 
rtjurg...@gmail.com  wrote:



There are pictures of the machine on the site now. Guess this 
is what mine will look like when I finally decide to assemble it. Sent from 
Yahoo Mail on AndroidOn Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:47 PM, 
MWF wrote:   #yiv9814327626   -- DIV 
{margin:0px;}#yiv9814327626 I just checked the eBay listing - and there have 
been NO additional photos added to his posting.I have said (and will continue 
to contend) that IMHO that eBay listing of the LOM is a legit one. (My gut 
feeling.)I think there is no need to fret this one's "existence"!On the OTHER 
hand - there IS one on eBay that is (and has been) VERY SUSPECT!  It is this 
one out in Gardena, California - "Legacy CNC Ornamental wood working machine"I 
suggest if someone is wanting to ferret out bogus Mill listings, they start 
with this one.  I know several Members have commented on it (me included) - but 
so far, no Member in the area of Gardena has been there to check it out.  If we 
are lucky, Mike P. or NY Joe will make a roadtrip out there and check it out 
sometime this Autumn. LoLMac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Sep 9, 2019 9:29 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Questionable E-bay sale


Thank you Steve.C.A.G.





On Monday, September 9, 2019, 08:56:20 AM EDT, Steve Drake 
 wrote:



I emailed him as well recommending more pictures and 
information and about him parting it out if it doesn't sell.  This is what I 
got.Thank
 you for the feedback. I have added more pictures like you suggested. 
They were from a Legacy catalogs of accessory items that I purchased. I 
chose to use catalog images because they included descriptions and 
functions better than I could have provided. I didn't include pictures 
of the mobility casters. I installed casters that I purchased locally. I
 also made a molding table myself instead of buying one. I purchased a 
set of spiral drive gears but I don't remember if they are a .25X 
reduction set or a 2X gear multiplier. I will try to ID them later. I 
hope this will fill in most of the information gaps that you said would 
be helpful. My
 plan is to list the mill for one month. I don't want to keep paying 
selling fees to ebay if it doesn't sell. I've thought about what you 
said about your interest in buying parts of the mill and I'm not 
interested in selling just parts. I'm flexible about the price for the 
complete mill system. If it doesn't sell, I will remove it from ebay and
 just keep it. I'm a 

Re: Extended Revo And raiser

[artmarbles]

I think there is a plaque hanging over this group that say the exact thing.  
Legacy use to say in one of their ads, "Your imagination is the only 
limitation".  Boy where they right. I'm sure they never saw us coming! Were 
almost a cultSent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Tim Ziegler  
Date: 9/9/19  10:48 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Extended Revo And raiser 
Our old moto at Wood Craft use to be we only buy the machine as a starting 
point, then we modify it to do what we really want it to do. Same goes in our 
shops right? Jigs fixtures and mod's etc...Kind Regards,Timothy J. 
ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 
56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:17 PM Tim 
 wrote:That’s funny about the shortened 900.  I cut 
mine in half and plan to switch it to the size of the revo and make the revo 
shorter.  What a bunch of loonies we have in this group, nothing is sacred! Tim 
 From: Richard EllisSent: Monday, September 9, 2019 12:30 AMTo: Legacy 
Ornamental MillsSubject: Re: Extended Revo And raiser Hi Bill That is correct  
only a very thin bit of wood if over 14 inches wide.I am looking into fitting 
it to the 900 today. May use the rails that are for the horizontal vice  I am 
not too bothered with it as I am trying to sell the shortened 900    (no-one 
seems interested ) Ebay later on ??Richard 



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Re: Ornamental News

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Should have gone to the group...I'll check my sent file.Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Tim Ziegler  
Date: 9/8/19  8:59 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Ornamental News Tim where you addressing this to me?Kind 
Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston 
MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 5:46 AM Tim 
 wrote:I longtime ago Legacy made a simple magazine 
Called Ornamental News.  You can find what we have here.  
https://www.ornamentalmills.com/omnews/ please do not redistribute this hidden 
link.  Also, you will notice that many of the scans can be improved with todays 
technology.  If you have a complete set of these I will rescan them in there 
complete form which would include many of the ads for the equipment removed 
from these scans.  If you only have one or two, that would of course help.  
Send a note to me off the list and we can get these updated. Also if you have 
the really early OM newsletters that came with the Woodchuck, that would be 
really great to see those back in play. Tim  



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RE: mill for sale

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Joe has extra nuts Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Date: 9/8/19  
12:04 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: 
mill for sale  Well hawkeye mac I missed that too lolol Bill From: 'Curt 
George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  
Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2019 2:51 PMTo: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: mill for sale OK Mac.I did 
not see that.  I was hoping it was there? after-all nothing would work without 
it... ;-) Now we need to look for the Acme nut for the carriage. ;-p As I said 
earlier,From the posting, the man says he had to cut photo's out to make room 
in the E-bay posting.  In Good faith, this looks to be a nice machine. Have a 
good night. C.A.G. On Sunday, September 8, 2019, 12:35:47 AM EDT, MWF 
 wrote:   Curtis, Go to the next to the last photo - 
the one with the 2 good sized pieces of MDF with bolts & wingnuts in them.  
Then look over on the far left side, running parallel with the left edge of the 
MDF panels.  See the long Acme threaded X-Axis rod?  The Acme rod (Y-Axis) I 
referenced earlier (in a different thread about this Mill) as being rusty is 
rustier that this X-Axis rod.  Any idea what these two MDF pieces are for?  My 
guess is they were to be put horizontally between the two lower frame 
extrusions - serving as a work surface for milling flat work pieces. 
Mac-Original Message- From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Sep 7, 2019 3:56 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: mill for 
sale Hey guys one more NOTE.On closer look, I do not see a acme screw in the 
photos.  I hope this is just a mistake? the owner stated like new, and limit on 
photos. perhaps it is just not on the unit when the photo was taken? (photo 
#3.) C.A.G.On Saturday, September 7, 2019, 03:47:29 PM EDT, Curt George 
 wrote:  Thanks BillI missed this one. Not a bad price 
if it stays where it is at? some good points are this is an older 1000ex. it 
has a #2MT. on both the head and tail-stock, so it can take  lathe adapters, 
like a drive spur and or live center I find this useful, On my Legacy.  
C.A.G.On Saturday, September 7, 2019, 03:27:12 AM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
 wrote:   Has every one seen this one for sale  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wood-Work-Legacy-Ornamental-Wood-Working-Machine-With-Router-Porter-Cable/303267408835?hash=item469c256bc3:g:~NEAAOSwTLpdUvlK
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Re: One of four

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I like that one a lot. What is it going to?
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Re: Fine Pitches

[artmarbles]

I don't really have any pictures. My setup was like Bill's. The only difference 
is I made my sprockets from .120 laser cut steel.I've fabricated a pretty wide 
range of items for the late model machines, but mostly designed for the model 
900. Tools for leveling the bed easily, two inch taller legs to max out the 
turning radius to those off the 1800, custom gears, a quick change direction 
changer, a reciprocator, custom index plates and the latest is a new headstock 
and tail stock for the revo.  I don't have a catalog, but all items have been 
shown I. The group at one point. Health problems cut me down in 2012 so I've 
had to stop building custom items. I'm working my way back to being able to 
offer legacy components.One thing I've never done is making anything that 
legacy makes. We need to support the mothership for as long as they help 
support us.I would love to see all the new people show what they are doing than 
seeing new messages from the core guys like me, Mike, curt, and bill etc.Thanks 
for the questions and comments.TimSent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Tim Ziegler  
Date: 9/4/19  3:48 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Fine Pitches Tim where you down loading a pic or attaching the 
link to it?I've heard your quite an innovator. The others have spoken highly of 
you.I think for you guys that have been at this a while could post a pic or so 
a weekof different innovations you've done would be a great inspiration and get 
usLOM newbies as well as the seasoned ones like your self motivated to trynew 
areas.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 
4:45 AM Tim  wrote:I don't know if I ever showed what I 
did with #25 chain.  I made my own sprockets and keyed them to the drive 
spindle and lead screw. It worked great.  Lots of wisdom in the old post for 
sure. We were all younger and more ambitious!

Tim

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Re: TESTING

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Sending and receiving photos should be much easier for you now. You reminded me 
I need to create a permanent post with images on how to change your 
settings.EnjoySent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 9/3/19  12:39 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: TESTING Hi TimThanks 
for the instructions re email It now works o.k.RichardOn Monday, September 2, 
2019 at 3:42:55 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote:
Howdy do Mac. ;-)All Good things must end. (by by Summer.)I hope you 
enjoy your Labor's today. ;-pAs for me, any two days off in a row, is a Long 
weekend for me, I have three day's off this weekend (do to the holiday)  I feel 
like I'm on Vacation ! ;-)Just wanted to wish everyone a Great holiday.  
Enjoy!!!C.A.G.





On Monday, September 2, 2019, 10:24:05 AM EDT, MWF 
 wrote:



Referred to as "Labor Day" (Labour in the Kingdom?).  It is our 
"semi-official" End of Summer - when most all schools have started 
back.Mac-Original Message-----
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Sent: Sep 2, 2019 4:02 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TESTING

Actually it is an American holiday this weekend! Original message 
From: Richard Ellis  Date: 9/2/19  12:42 AM  
(GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills  
Subject: Re: TESTING Hi TimHave done that but have not seen any new posts 
yet   The group see very quiet ,, is everyone on holiday.?RichardOn Saturday, 
August 31, 2019 at 10:07:30 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:You need to go to the Google 
site and change your settings to receive post via email and you will be good to 
go.Sent from Samsung tablet Original message From: 
bulk...@mmnet.com.au Date: 8/31/19  11:31 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: legacy-orna...@ 
googlegroups.com Subject: RE: TESTING Not sure why your not getting replies by 
email but at least you can post to the group by email. There must be a setting 
somewhere that needs clicking to receive them. The revo looks good just like 
mine Bill From: legacy-orna...@ googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard EllisSent: Saturday, 31 August 2019 
10:27 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: 
Re: TESTING Bill Must be coming by sea as I have not got it or anything else. 
But I just took this pic of my lengthened Revo I do hope other Revo owners in 
the U.K. could put a pic or two of theirs On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 
12:21:54 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:Glad to here it this reply should arrive in 
your email inbox Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups. com 
 On Behalf Of Richard EllisSent: Saturday, 31 
August 2019 8:27 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: TESTING And it workedRichardOn Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 
11:25:31 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:BillJust trying your method 



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Re: TESTING

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Actually it is an American holiday this weekend!
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 9/2/19  12:42 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: TESTING Hi TimHave done 
that but have not seen any new posts yet   The group see very quiet ,, is 
everyone on holiday.?RichardOn Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 10:07:30 PM UTC+1, 
Tim wrote:You need to go to the Google site and change your settings to receive 
post via email and you will be good to go.Sent from Samsung tablet 
Original message From: bulk...@mmnet.com.au Date: 8/31/19  11:31 AM  
(GMT-08:00) To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: TESTING Not sure 
why your not getting replies by email but at least you can post to the group by 
email. There must be a setting somewhere that needs clicking to receive them. 
The revo looks good just like mine Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Richard EllisSent: Saturday, 31 
August 2019 10:27 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: TESTING Bill Must be coming by 
sea as I have not got it or anything else. But I just took this pic of my 
lengthened Revo I do hope other Revo owners in the U.K. could put a pic or two 
of theirs On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 12:21:54 PM UTC+1, aussiman 
wrote:Glad to here it this reply should arrive in your email inbox Bill From: 
legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard EllisSent: Saturday, 31 August 2019 8:27 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: TESTING And it workedRichardOn 
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RE: TESTING

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You need to go to the Google site and change your settings to receive post via 
email and you will be good to go.Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Date: 8/31/19  
11:31 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: 
TESTING Not sure why your not getting replies by email but at least you can 
post to the group by email. There must be a setting somewhere that needs 
clicking to receive them. The revo looks good just like mine Bill From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Richard EllisSent: 
Saturday, 31 August 2019 10:27 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: TESTING Bill Must be 
coming by sea as I have not got it or anything else. But I just took this pic 
of my lengthened Revo I do hope other Revo owners in the U.K. could put a pic 
or two of theirs On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 12:21:54 PM UTC+1, aussiman 
wrote:Glad to here it this reply should arrive in your email inbox Bill From: 
legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard EllisSent: Saturday, 31 August 2019 8:27 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: TESTING And it workedRichardOn 
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Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

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You think this site is a muddle, imagine trying to own it! Hahaha There is 
hardly anything left that we as owners can customize or fix any more. I'm truly 
suprised that it's still around at this point. Google said it would always be 
available, but it's been long enough that I've seen plenty of Google products 
disappear that had the life time of service that was unlimited. Oh well, it's 
still working. Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 8/31/19  1:30 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long 
curves TimWhat a muddle this google site isI was typing my message re DIAMOND 
and all of a sudden a little note came up in the right corner of the screen 
that another message had come in .My page disappeared!!Anyway the 
amount of non-syncro just depends on the turn of the crank handle i:e one turn 
1/4 inch or in my case how much offset one wants I just measured the distance 
peak to peak and divided in half for my pattern.That box has just appeared 
again and if I click on it to see the latest message all i get is the screen 
saying the page is loading and that is all . As I said before What a muddle 
this site is.RichardOn Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 8:53:31 AM UTC+1, Tim 
wrote:The 2.5 I think should be divided by two since the spindle goes through a 
push and a pull to complete a single wave.  Am I thinking correctly on 
this? Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 8/30/19  4:05 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long curves Hi 
Tim & TimothyAll interesting stuff.When I did my latest as shown in the pic I 
measured the distance of the wave peak to peak,, it was 2.5 inches.After doing 
the first three runs. I returned the carriage back to the start by ( crank 
handle ) Then I wound the carriage forward 6 turns of the crank handle. ---Next 
I disconnected the leadscrew nut and pushed the carriage back to the start 
position,,, re-connected the nut and did the remaing three cuts.All good 
practice and funRichardOn Friday, August 30, 2019 at 11:47:26 AM UTC+1, Tim 
Ziegler wrote:Seeing all this Wave, now I'm going to have to figure out how to 
do that. And of course build the attachment.Kind Regards,Timothy J. 
ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 
56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 2:30 AM Tim 
 wrote:  Personally, I like it.  You want to increase the 
amplitude, but by how much?  I’ll take a look at some possibilities that would 
give you 90° travel of the spindle.  It would only be able to be used on longer 
pitches. If Bill nows already how much offset is needed, he could save me some 
time 



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Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

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This is really awesome to me. Congratulations on the 60th. If diamonds is all 
you needed, you just needed to spiral one direction and then the other. I bet 
you knew that through.  Thanks for the food for thought!Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 8/31/19  12:58 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long 
curves TimI think I have done all I want to at the present timeI started on 
this WAVE caper to see if I could make DIAMOND shapes on the coat stand I was 
making WHY it was our 60th wedding anniversary, Now I will have to 
think of what to do for the 70th one ??!!RichardOn Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 
8:35:43 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote:I'm sitting in my lazyboy recliner right now and 
thinking about adding more amplitude. It would be possible to increase the 
travel of the twist by relocating the location of the connection on the index 
plate. So instead of mounting the connecting arm on the 4" diameter, make a arm 
that extends the location to say a 8" or 12" location.  That way the spindle 
will twist more for the amount of offset.  It was something I did not include 
in the original design nor did I try it out, but I've seen a couple of 
Reciprocators that use this technique.  
Good luck and I hope you try this out Richard.
On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:18 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:

 Hey thanks for that and good to see someone up at the same time as me. lol
 
  I have a bunch of spindles to get done today on my lathe but if time permits 
this evening I'm going 
 
 
  to start studying this more. Thanks for sharing. 
  
  
   

 Kind Regards,
 
  
 
 
  Timothy J. Ziegler
 
 
  Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
 
 
  14171 160th Ave.
 
 
  Foreston MN 56330
 
 
  
 
 
  320-294-5798 shop
 
 
  320-630-2243 cell
 

   
  
  
 



 
  On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:05 AM Richard Ellis <
  rchrd...@gmail.com> wrote:
  
 
 
  
   Hi Tim & Timothy
   
All interesting stuff.
   
   
When I did my latest as shown in the pic
   
   
 I measured the distance of the wave peak to peak,, it was 2.5 inches.
   
   
After doing the first three runs. I returned the carriage back to the start 
by ( crank handle ) Then I wound the carriage forward 6 turns of the crank 
handle. ---Next I disconnected the leadscrew nut and pushed the carriage back 
to the start position,,, re-connected the nut and did the remaing three cuts.
   
   
All good practice and fun
   
   
Richard

On Friday, August 30, 2019 at 11:47:26 AM UTC+1, Tim Ziegler wrote:

 
  Seeing all this Wave, now I'm going to have to figure out how to do that. 
  
   And of course build the attachment.
   
   

 
  Kind Regards,
  
   
  
  
   Timothy J. Ziegler
  
  
   Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
  
  
   14171 160th Ave.
  
  
   Foreston MN 56330
  
  
   
  
  
   320-294-5798 shop
  
  
   320-630-2243 cell
  
 

   
   
  
 
 
 
  
   On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 2:30 AM Tim <
   artma...@comcast.net> wrote:
   
  
  
   

  
  
 Personally, I like it.  You want to increase the amplitude, but by how 
much?  I’ll take a look at some possibilities that would give you 90° travel of 
the spindle.  It would only be able to be used on longer pitches.
  
 If Bill nows already how much offset is needed, he could save me some 
time 


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Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

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The 2.5 I think should be divided by two since the spindle goes through a push 
and a pull to complete a single wave.  Am I thinking correctly on this?
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 8/30/19  4:05 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long 
curves Hi Tim & TimothyAll interesting stuff.When I did my latest as shown in 
the pic I measured the distance of the wave peak to peak,, it was 2.5 
inches.After doing the first three runs. I returned the carriage back to the 
start by ( crank handle ) Then I wound the carriage forward 6 turns of the 
crank handle. ---Next I disconnected the leadscrew nut and pushed the carriage 
back to the start position,,, re-connected the nut and did the remaing three 
cuts.All good practice and funRichardOn Friday, August 30, 2019 at 11:47:26 AM 
UTC+1, Tim Ziegler wrote:Seeing all this Wave, now I'm going to have to figure 
out how to do that. And of course build the attachment.Kind Regards,Timothy J. 
ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 
56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 2:30 AM Tim 
 wrote:  Personally, I like it.  You want to increase the 
amplitude, but by how much?  I’ll take a look at some possibilities that would 
give you 90° travel of the spindle.  It would only be able to be used on longer 
pitches. If Bill nows already how much offset is needed, he could save me some 
time 



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RE: TK Reciprocater long curves

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Too kind Bill.  I'm just trying to add to the conversation so others can run 
with it.  After all, it was my words that made Curt understand the process that 
he was able to build a version before seeing mine. Either he is a genius or I'm 
really good at describing things. Maybe a bit of both.Thanks for the 
complement. Tim
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Re: milling waves curts wave attachment

[artmarbles]

When I created my version, I thought making an adjustment larger than an inch 
of offset was pretty radical compared to previous ornamental machines. Now I 
see you want to really twist things up!To make that happen you would need to 
adjust the offset an even larger amount than what I designed it for.  You would 
have to make a longer connecting rod naturally.  You may run into binding of 
the rod. Your going into uncharted waters my friend.Hope this helpsTimSent from 
Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 8/27/19  9:36 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: milling waves curts 
wave attachment TimI should have said higher waves and not longer in other 
words more stormy at sea ! MY mistakeRichardOn Tuesday, August 27, 2019 
at 5:32:52 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:No, it will not make a change. What you will see 
by changing to a duplex gear with a. Different tooth count will result in the 
number of waves per pitch. It's been too long for me to remember the number of 
waves per pitch.  I think using the standard duplex you would get 4 waves per 
pitch and the 2x would be two waves per pitch.  Don't hold me to those 
numbers!Sent from Samsung tablet Original message From: Richard 
Ellis  Date: 8/27/19  7:19 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  Subject: Re: milling waves 
curts wave attachment Hi TimDo you think it will do the longer waves just by 
making a longer piston rod.RichardOn Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 2:43:30 PM 
UTC+1, Tim wrote:Just a quick response to my reciprocate.  I never intended the 
attachment to be used with any other gear than the standard duplex gear.  When 
I did make a long pitched wave I used my poormans duplex gear that was made up 
of stock legacy gears in between the leadscrew and the duplex gear.TimSent from 
Samsung tablet Original message From: 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  Date: 8/27/19  5:57 AM  
(GMT-08:00) To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: milling waves 
curts wave attachment 
Good morning.Richard. I have not used Tim's version of the wave 
attachment, If you say its no possible, I will have to take your word on it.  
So On to the next step. How can we make it do what you want?I was hoping that 
with the videos and pictures, people in our group would start to see, How easy 
the attachment really is, and Thus start looking to make there own versions.I 
made a version years ago that was spring loaded, and I used two steel saw 
blades for my lock and adjustment, The teeth (or the saw blade) were my lock 
and since the  teeth were all uniformed, My hope would be that this jig would  
be more accurate . sadly it really wasn't any better then what I had made 
before. so I keep on looking. the attachment that I show/ use today, is my 
third attempt,on making the wave attachment.If you like I can look and see if I 
still have the photo's of the older versions? I am sure I still have some, but 
I can not find them at this min. ( I am not sure where to find the old files?) 
the center hub was the only thing that changed over the years.  My first 
version had screw holes in the center hub, the second was the saw blade teeth, 
and the third was what I showed you.I can go into more latter.but at this time 
I need to stop.Have a good day.C.A.G.





On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, 03:17:17 AM EDT, Richard Ellis 
 wrote:



CurtRegarding the TK not being able to do a very large wave  
with the 2X. I will make a longer piston rod.On the picture that Bill put up of 
the different types of Wave makers--- the pic of the TK would not work 
as shown (I know it was only a Pic) but it would not be possible to have that 
wave pitch ,The plastic block with magnet would get in the way. Certainly with 
the 2X gear.I have been thinking of making a paper template to stick to the 
Duplex with differing angles on it to make Waves out of sync . and not just the 
D & ARichard  On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 6:35:46 AM UTC+1, Curt George 
wrote:
Hey guy.One more small note.on my D cut video 
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=KCQ2OcYlQcs I showed another way to get the 
drive arm off of the center , by making two marks, one on the opposite sides of 
the duplex gear before you turn,  Sometimes it is more the why, then the how. 
needs to be understood.In the beginning of this concept, Tim modified the idea 
form an OT book, and made it work on the Legacy,  Both Bill and I (with-out 
seeing Tim's attachment,on his machine.) We both copied the idea for our own 
Legacy's.  We all did the same thing, but each attachment looks very different 
form what the others had made.In my last video I was attempting to show how/why 
it works.( another view of the concept) as you can see, there is almost always 
more then one way to 

Re: milling waves curts wave attachment

[artmarbles]

No, it will not make a change. What you will see by changing to a duplex gear 
with a. Different tooth count will result in the number of waves per pitch. 
It's been too long for me to remember the number of waves per pitch.  I think 
using the standard duplex you would get 4 waves per pitch and the 2x would be 
two waves per pitch.  Don't hold me to those numbers!Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 8/27/19  7:19 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: milling waves curts 
wave attachment Hi TimDo you think it will do the longer waves just by making a 
longer piston rod.RichardOn Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 2:43:30 PM UTC+1, Tim 
wrote:Just a quick response to my reciprocate.  I never intended the attachment 
to be used with any other gear than the standard duplex gear.  When I did make 
a long pitched wave I used my poormans duplex gear that was made up of stock 
legacy gears in between the leadscrew and the duplex gear.TimSent from Samsung 
tablet Original message From: 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  Date: 8/27/19  5:57 AM  
(GMT-08:00) To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: milling waves 
curts wave attachment 
Good morning.Richard. I have not used Tim's version of the wave 
attachment, If you say its no possible, I will have to take your word on it.  
So On to the next step. How can we make it do what you want?I was hoping that 
with the videos and pictures, people in our group would start to see, How easy 
the attachment really is, and Thus start looking to make there own versions.I 
made a version years ago that was spring loaded, and I used two steel saw 
blades for my lock and adjustment, The teeth (or the saw blade) were my lock 
and since the  teeth were all uniformed, My hope would be that this jig would  
be more accurate . sadly it really wasn't any better then what I had made 
before. so I keep on looking. the attachment that I show/ use today, is my 
third attempt,on making the wave attachment.If you like I can look and see if I 
still have the photo's of the older versions? I am sure I still have some, but 
I can not find them at this min. ( I am not sure where to find the old files?) 
the center hub was the only thing that changed over the years.  My first 
version had screw holes in the center hub, the second was the saw blade teeth, 
and the third was what I showed you.I can go into more latter.but at this time 
I need to stop.Have a good day.C.A.G.





On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, 03:17:17 AM EDT, Richard Ellis 
 wrote:



CurtRegarding the TK not being able to do a very large wave  
with the 2X. I will make a longer piston rod.On the picture that Bill put up of 
the different types of Wave makers--- the pic of the TK would not work 
as shown (I know it was only a Pic) but it would not be possible to have that 
wave pitch ,The plastic block with magnet would get in the way. Certainly with 
the 2X gear.I have been thinking of making a paper template to stick to the 
Duplex with differing angles on it to make Waves out of sync . and not just the 
D & ARichard  On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 6:35:46 AM UTC+1, Curt George 
wrote:
Hey guy.One more small note.on my D cut video 
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=KCQ2OcYlQcs I showed another way to get the 
drive arm off of the center , by making two marks, one on the opposite sides of 
the duplex gear before you turn,  Sometimes it is more the why, then the how. 
needs to be understood.In the beginning of this concept, Tim modified the idea 
form an OT book, and made it work on the Legacy,  Both Bill and I (with-out 
seeing Tim's attachment,on his machine.) We both copied the idea for our own 
Legacy's.  We all did the same thing, but each attachment looks very different 
form what the others had made.In my last video I was attempting to show how/why 
it works.( another view of the concept) as you can see, there is almost always 
more then one way to get the job done...Have a good night everyone.C.A.G.





On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, 12:08:46 AM EDT, 'Curt George' 
via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:




Hello everyone.  Just got home form work.Its nice to see all those Old 
pixs Bill.Here are a few of mine as well...depending on the router bit, and the 
wave modulation there are many different looks you can achieve.C.A.G.. 





On Monday, August 26, 2019, 11:10:37 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:



thats pretty awsome.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler 
WoodWork & 

Re: milling waves curts wave attachment

[artmarbles]

Just a quick response to my reciprocate.  I never intended the attachment to be 
used with any other gear than the standard duplex gear.  When I did make a long 
pitched wave I used my poormans duplex gear that was made up of stock legacy 
gears in between the leadscrew and the duplex gear.TimSent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  Date: 8/27/19  5:57 AM  
(GMT-08:00) To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: milling 
waves curts wave attachment 
Good morning.Richard. I have not used Tim's version of the wave 
attachment, If you say its no possible, I will have to take your word on it.  
So On to the next step. How can we make it do what you want?I was hoping that 
with the videos and pictures, people in our group would start to see, How easy 
the attachment really is, and Thus start looking to make there own versions.I 
made a version years ago that was spring loaded, and I used two steel saw 
blades for my lock and adjustment, The teeth (or the saw blade) were my lock 
and since the  teeth were all uniformed, My hope would be that this jig would  
be more accurate . sadly it really wasn't any better then what I had made 
before. so I keep on looking. the attachment that I show/ use today, is my 
third attempt,on making the wave attachment.If you like I can look and see if I 
still have the photo's of the older versions? I am sure I still have some, but 
I can not find them at this min. ( I am not sure where to find the old files?) 
the center hub was the only thing that changed over the years.  My first 
version had screw holes in the center hub, the second was the saw blade teeth, 
and the third was what I showed you.I can go into more latter.but at this time 
I need to stop.Have a good day.C.A.G.





On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, 03:17:17 AM EDT, Richard Ellis 
 wrote:



CurtRegarding the TK not being able to do a very large wave  
with the 2X. I will make a longer piston rod.On the picture that Bill put up of 
the different types of Wave makers--- the pic of the TK would not work 
as shown (I know it was only a Pic) but it would not be possible to have that 
wave pitch ,The plastic block with magnet would get in the way. Certainly with 
the 2X gear.I have been thinking of making a paper template to stick to the 
Duplex with differing angles on it to make Waves out of sync . and not just the 
D & ARichard  On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 6:35:46 AM UTC+1, Curt George 
wrote:
Hey guy.One more small note.on my D cut video 
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=KCQ2OcYlQcs I showed another way to get the 
drive arm off of the center , by making two marks, one on the opposite sides of 
the duplex gear before you turn,  Sometimes it is more the why, then the how. 
needs to be understood.In the beginning of this concept, Tim modified the idea 
form an OT book, and made it work on the Legacy,  Both Bill and I (with-out 
seeing Tim's attachment,on his machine.) We both copied the idea for our own 
Legacy's.  We all did the same thing, but each attachment looks very different 
form what the others had made.In my last video I was attempting to show how/why 
it works.( another view of the concept) as you can see, there is almost always 
more then one way to get the job done...Have a good night everyone.C.A.G.





On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, 12:08:46 AM EDT, 'Curt George' 
via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:




Hello everyone.  Just got home form work.Its nice to see all those Old 
pixs Bill.Here are a few of mine as well...depending on the router bit, and the 
wave modulation there are many different looks you can achieve.C.A.G.. 





On Monday, August 26, 2019, 11:10:37 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:



thats pretty awsome.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler 
WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 
shop320-630-2243 cellOn Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:14 PM  
wrote:Here is a few experimental waves  From: legacy-orna...@ googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Tuesday, 27 
August 2019 3:17 AMTo: legacy-orna...@ googlegroups.comSubject: Re: milling 
waves curts wave attachment Wow those are cool. I really need to create one of 
those.Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 
at 11:52 AM  wrote:Pps  here is a pic I dug up of wave 
pens I did with the wave attachment  Bill From: legacy-orna...@ 
googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 

Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

[artmarbles]

That's something I have not seen.  You might want to add a light return spring 
to prevent any loss of time issues in the extended sine wave. Sent from Samsung 
tablet
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 8/22/19  3:16 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long 
curves Tim & othersHere are a couple of pics of the same bit of wood.RichardOn 
Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 8:33:28 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:Thanks for 
the info Curt & Bill I have printed it of to study and then it will go into my 
folder for other s who end up with my RevoRichardOn Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 
10:46:40 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:Hi all you LOM expertsI am trying to do 
a long (approx ) 6 inch flute with the TK at present with the standard index 
gear I get a 2 inch point to point curve If I change to the 2X gear I think it 
will only give me a four inch point to point  --- I have not tried but it's my 
guess !!Am I trying to do the impossible???Richard



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Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

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You did a trick without even knowing about it.  The waves are not synchronized. 
In other words, they don't start in the same place.  TimSent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 8/20/19  9:54 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long 
curves Here is a pic of the curves There are five curves and I was thinking of 
putting a straight groove in between. All good practice !!On Tuesday, August 
20, 2019 at 10:52:58 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:Looks good so far  Bill From: 
legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard EllisSent: Tuesday, 20 August 2019 4:59 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long curves Just 
taken a quick pic of the basic (start ) of a coat and hat stand.It is 38 inches 
long X2 inch dia. May decde to make dia smaller !!! It of course only approx 
half of the stand height.The four inch TK curve will be spaced eqidistance 
around the dia. but will have a straight flute between each curve,Will take 
more pics Later if time permits !!??On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 7:09:38 AM 
UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:Hi Bill Tim & CurtI will have to settle for a 4 inch 
curve When I have time to change the TK to the 2X .Need a different gear set up 
for anything longer ( Not LOM )I will update you when I take a pic of the wood 
I am using and it's purpose also the dimensions.Bit too busy at the present 
time to do much with the Revo or 900.RichardOn Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 
5:38:02 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote:Here is the longest pitch with a wave that 
I have done. Is this like what you want to make?C.A.G.On Sunday, August 18, 
2019, 11:12:04 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:   Good morning.Richard, What router 
bit are you using? What Tim and Bill already said are correct. but the type of 
cut you make also makes the wave look different.  depending on the diameter of 
the work piece and the cutter's size, as well as the depth of your cut will 
give you different looks. And also will the method of cutting. (Cutting for the 
top vs cutting form the side of the wood will also change the look.) Here are a 
few different looks you can get with a long pitch and different cutters. C.A.G. 
 On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 07:53:29 AM EDT,  wrote:   
If I remember correctly the wave or zigzag the biggest you can achieve as it 
travels along is around 90 degrees so virtually no degrees to 90. But the pitch 
how long the waves are governed  by the pitch just the same as spirals are so 
do some waves at different pitches and see, so my guess would be yes 2x would 
give 4 inch  . please report how you go I would be greatly interested to see, 
if it wasn’t so dam cold here out in the shop I would try a few and report 
back. Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Richard EllisSent: Sunday, 18 
August 2019 7:47 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: TK Reciprocater long curves Hi all 
you LOM expertsI am trying to do a long (approx ) 6 inch flute with the TK at 
present with the standard index gear I get a 2 inch point to point curve If I 
change to the 2X gear I think it will only give me a four inch point to point  
--- I have not tried but it's my guess !!Am I trying to do the 
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Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

[artmarbles]

If you are getting 2" peaks, using the 2x would give four and the 4x gives you 
eight.  Getting to the 6 inch goal would take a 24" pitch.  Basically with the 
standard duplex gear you will get 4 peaks per pitch. If you change the duplex 
gear to 1/2 the diameter, you will get two peaks per pitch.That is what I 
recall, I'm not near a machine to prove it.Good luck.Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Richard Ellis  
Date: 8/18/19  2:46 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: TK Reciprocater long curves 
Hi all you LOM expertsI am trying to do a long (approx ) 6 inch flute with the 
TK at present with the standard index gear I get a 2 inch point to point curve 
If I change to the 2X gear I think it will only give me a four inch point to 
point  --- I have not tried but it's my guess !!Am I trying to do the 
impossible???Richard



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Re: REVO (again)

[artmarbles]

Here's the photo of the revo rotary table.There was a video showing this in 
use.  I'll try to find it.Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: artmarbles  
Date: 8/12/19  11:40 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: REVO (again) That 
information is not correct. Legacy made a version of the rotary table.  Are you 
trying to get one or do you have one?Sent from Samsung tablet Original 
message From: Brafield Bodger  Date: 8/12/19  10:38 AM 
 (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: REVO (again) Are there 
instructions for the Rotary Table and the Vertical vice available do you know?I 
wrote to Cindy - she informs me, and I quote"The Rotary
Table was never designed for the Revo so you may have to modify parts if you
are trying to fit the Rotary table to the Revo.".More money down the pan...



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Re: REVO (again)

[artmarbles]

That information is not correct. Legacy made a version of the rotary table.  
Are you trying to get one or do you have one?Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: Brafield Bodger  Date: 
8/12/19  10:38 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Subject: Re: REVO (again) Are there 
instructions for the Rotary Table and the Vertical vice available do you know?I 
wrote to Cindy - she informs me, and I quote"The Rotary
Table was never designed for the Revo so you may have to modify parts if you
are trying to fit the Rotary table to the Revo.".More money down the pan...



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RE: REVO (again)

[artmarbles]

Okay, I give up.  Auto correct is fixing before sending an it does not ask if 
it's okay to change.  So much for a new email program.Sent from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: artmarbles  
Date: 8/12/19  6:31 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: REVO (again) Auto connect 
did a real number it should have said "reading and flutting".Sent from Samsung 
tablet Original message From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Date: 
8/12/19  6:06 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: REVO (again) Iv’e made a few that way myself curt  Bill From: 
'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 Sent: Monday, 12 August 2019 10:01 
PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: REVO (again) Another 
idea would be to make a wooden knob for your Legacy.a 5/16" carriage bolt would 
work well. Here is a link you might like to look at. 
https://www.instructables.com/id/Making-Wooden-Knobs-on-a-Drill-Press/ C.A.G.  
On Monday, August 12, 2019, 05:47:22 AM EDT, Tim Krause 
 wrote:   I've just been using a bolt for the index 
plate and a thick washer.  It has a more solid grip on the index wheel for 
working larger diameter stock.  Also when reading or flouting it a tiny bit 
less loose.On Aug 12, 2019, at 12:40 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote: 5/16-18 
thread  right, I wasn’t sure without measuring I knew you know off the top of 
your head Tim that’s why you’re the jedi master    my bad   
https://www.amazon.co.uk/06220-4A31X20-Thermoplastic-Stainless-External-Diameter/dp/B013I6YD00/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=5%2F16+18+threaded+screw+knob=1565595452=diy=8-6
 here you go Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim KrauseSent: Monday, 
12 August 2019 3:50 PMTo: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: RE: REVO (again) The knob 
for the index wheel is a 5/16-18 thread.  The split nuts are held on with 
1/4-20 threads.Acrylic can be tricky.  If its melting, you need to speed up 
your feed or reduce the depth of cut or reduce the router speed or sharpen your 
cutting tool.  Legacy had a pen video a long time ago showing a one pass cut, 
bit it was cheating a bit.  Super hard wood you can almost get away with it.  
Bill's right, sneak up on your final cut or you might have a problem taken your 
next cut because nothing will be left!  At least wood is easier than plastic 
and metal to add too!TimOn Aug 11, 2019, at 6:32 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote:Lighter cuts on acrylic ray lighter cuts on acrylic if it gets hot it can 
melt then it resets and breaks remember I said I milled the blank first before 
doing the spiral so you don’t take really big cuts like they do in the video. 
If I remember the thread is ¼ 20 unc but I will have to check to be sure  Tim K 
will know I’m sure he will chime in to confirm this if not I will measure it 
and let you know  
https://www.amazon.co.uk/JW-Winco-Plastic-Threaded-Diameter/dp/B00A9N4ZTU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?keywords=1%2F4+20+threaded+knob+nut=1565573466=diy=1-2-fkmr0
 Bill   From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Brafield BodgerSent: 
Monday, 12 August 2019 10:52 AMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: REVO (again) Morning folks, 
Wonder if anyone can help with any of the following please. What is the thread 
on the knob hold in the Index wheel.  Its the same as the one that locks the 
router and also the half threaded plastic gubbins that goes on the long 
threaded thingy. I unscrewed the index wheel - something went ping and the knob 
hit the floor, bounced and despite a very thorough search I'm darned if I can 
find it. (found lots of other useful stuff though). Looked through all my 
Legacy spares and its not an item supplied.apparently. I managed to get the 
REVO up and running today (yeehahhh) so I'm almost back in business - tried to 
turn an acrylic pen as per Bill - acrylic shattered - but I'll sort it. I also 
managed through the group to get a copy of the assembly instructions which 
helped enormously. Are there instructions for the Rotary Table and the Vertical 
vice available do you know? Thanks to all the advice and help I've had so far - 
if I hadn't found this group I would still be ages away from actually using the 
machine. Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the 
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RE: REVO (again)

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Auto connect did a real number it should have said "reading and flutting".Sent 
from Samsung tablet
 Original message From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Date: 8/12/19  
6:06 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: 
REVO (again) Iv’e made a few that way myself curt  Bill From: 'Curt George' via 
Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: 
Monday, 12 August 2019 10:01 PMTo: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: REVO (again) Another idea 
would be to make a wooden knob for your Legacy.a 5/16" carriage bolt would work 
well. Here is a link you might like to look at. 
https://www.instructables.com/id/Making-Wooden-Knobs-on-a-Drill-Press/ C.A.G.  
On Monday, August 12, 2019, 05:47:22 AM EDT, Tim Krause 
 wrote:   I've just been using a bolt for the index 
plate and a thick washer.  It has a more solid grip on the index wheel for 
working larger diameter stock.  Also when reading or flouting it a tiny bit 
less loose.On Aug 12, 2019, at 12:40 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote: 5/16-18 
thread  right, I wasn’t sure without measuring I knew you know off the top of 
your head Tim that’s why you’re the jedi master    my bad   
https://www.amazon.co.uk/06220-4A31X20-Thermoplastic-Stainless-External-Diameter/dp/B013I6YD00/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=5%2F16+18+threaded+screw+knob=1565595452=diy=8-6
 here you go Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim KrauseSent: Monday, 
12 August 2019 3:50 PMTo: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: RE: REVO (again) The knob 
for the index wheel is a 5/16-18 thread.  The split nuts are held on with 
1/4-20 threads.Acrylic can be tricky.  If its melting, you need to speed up 
your feed or reduce the depth of cut or reduce the router speed or sharpen your 
cutting tool.  Legacy had a pen video a long time ago showing a one pass cut, 
bit it was cheating a bit.  Super hard wood you can almost get away with it.  
Bill's right, sneak up on your final cut or you might have a problem taken your 
next cut because nothing will be left!  At least wood is easier than plastic 
and metal to add too!TimOn Aug 11, 2019, at 6:32 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote:Lighter cuts on acrylic ray lighter cuts on acrylic if it gets hot it can 
melt then it resets and breaks remember I said I milled the blank first before 
doing the spiral so you don’t take really big cuts like they do in the video. 
If I remember the thread is ¼ 20 unc but I will have to check to be sure  Tim K 
will know I’m sure he will chime in to confirm this if not I will measure it 
and let you know  
https://www.amazon.co.uk/JW-Winco-Plastic-Threaded-Diameter/dp/B00A9N4ZTU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?keywords=1%2F4+20+threaded+knob+nut=1565573466=diy=1-2-fkmr0
 Bill   From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Brafield BodgerSent: 
Monday, 12 August 2019 10:52 AMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: REVO (again) Morning folks, 
Wonder if anyone can help with any of the following please. What is the thread 
on the knob hold in the Index wheel.  Its the same as the one that locks the 
router and also the half threaded plastic gubbins that goes on the long 
threaded thingy. I unscrewed the index wheel - something went ping and the knob 
hit the floor, bounced and despite a very thorough search I'm darned if I can 
find it. (found lots of other useful stuff though). Looked through all my 
Legacy spares and its not an item supplied.apparently. I managed to get the 
REVO up and running today (yeehahhh) so I'm almost back in business - tried to 
turn an acrylic pen as per Bill - acrylic shattered - but I'll sort it. I also 
managed through the group to get a copy of the assembly instructions which 
helped enormously. Are there instructions for the Rotary Table and the Vertical 
vice available do you know? Thanks to all the advice and help I've had so far - 
if I hadn't found this group I would still be ages away from actually using the 
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Re: New design

[artmarbles]

Curt, that link that you are pointing to is from an author that is still alive. 
His name is John Edwards and the book is very enlightening. Please see his 
website for more information: http://www.ornamentalturning.co.uk/ 

Max, the sharing of copyrighted legacy material is not encouraged in any manner 
outside of this group. I have an agreement with Legacy that limit it's 
distribution. More details will be provided in the future. There is also an on 
going task of recovering lost information that is no longer available from 
Legacy. The exchange of money really has nothing to do with the legal sharing. 

-Tim 


From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 6:11:43 PM 
Subject: Re: New design 

http://www.ornamentalturning.info/FILES/01-Holtz%20Vol.VI%202nd%20Ed.%20Part%201-%20Chapter%20Intros.pdf
 this link has some neat ideas! 

C.A.G. 

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From: "MAX LATHAM"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 7:02:45 PM 
Subject: Re: New design 



A beautiful application ! 

I have "The Lathe" Holtzappffel and think it can be shared if no money changes 
hands. 

Likewise almost all the Legacy instructions can be shared via DVD, again 
without fund transfer? 

any one know for sure? 


max 



From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of CURTIS GEORGE 
 
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 5:55 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 
Hi Bill 
I agree here is the first thing, that I tried it out on today. Please let me 
know what you think? 

C.A.G. 

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From: "Bill Bulkeley"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 6:25:21 PM 
Subject: RE: New design 



It sure is a different and unique pattern something defiantly to keep to be 
used on future projects 



Bill 




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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Sunday, 7 May 2017 6:36 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New design 





Hello Everyone 


Never give up! today's play time turned out something that I will be using more 
in the future. ;-) 





Its time of the Happy Dance!!! 





C.A.G. 



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From: "CURTIS GEORGE"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:50:09 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 





Thank you. 


The idea is to get the most of of the Legacy, I started looking as some other 
Ornamental turning equipment, trying to figure out different ways to make 
something different, I found an Ornamental slide rest in one of my Holtzappffel 
turning books. 


The concept of template following was made in the design of the Legacy, but how 
could I get more from a template then just following a straight line? 


Since Tim found the Atkinson"s reciprocating jig (which became the Wave 
attachment) I figured that the two concepts were close enough to each-other to 
be useful on the Legacy. 


I am still playing around with different shapes and sizes of templates. I am 
finding the simpler template shapes work best, Oval,triangle,square, hart shape 
... work nicely, but more Ornamental (detailed patterns like a rose lathe uses) 
dose not work well with this concept. 


Now what I am also looking at is , different types of cuts as well. example 
cutting form the side vs the top. or cutting for off center vs on center... 


I am planing to try an off center cut today, My theory is off center with a 
cutter and a more quick changing template, should give me a pumping action look 
(which is more an OT type of looking cut.) 


Wish me luck. and I will let you all know how it turns out. ;-) 





talk to you all more, latter. 


C.A.G. 



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From: "Ccm Ccm"  
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:21:52 AM 
Subject: Re: New design 





Looks nice, I like the idea 





On Thursday, May 4, 2017, CURTIS GEORGE < curtgeo...@wowway.com > wrote: 



No problems there. ;-) 


I can go into more detail latter. All that I can say at this min. is there are 
a lot of possibility out there . 


Im going to hit the hay now. 


talk to you more latter. 





Have a good night. 


C.A.G. 






From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 1:38:59 AM 
Subject: RE: New design 





Oops you already did i didn’t see till i enlarged the pics 

Nice 



Bill 




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legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 3:36 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com