Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Issue

[Ian Thomas]

With Windows 10, perhaps one of the Picture viewers that you have already is 
Windows Photo Viewer* ? (it was available as a free Microsoft program in 
earlier versions of Windows - probably easily found to download but I haven't 
tried)

I use WPV* for photos taken with my phone (sometimes they are upside-down; 
often at 90 degrees) and I use this free application to rotate 90 or more 
degrees L or R as appropriate. When moving on to the next pic, it automatically 
rewrites the image to disk - but the useful EXIF data - for example, the GPS 
info, etc - is retained.  
I also use Irfanview (have done so for 15+ years) but it does have some 
features that are confusing for newer users. I would recommend WPV* instead.

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 9:48 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Issue

Trevor,

You need to find the setting in FastStone Image Viewer or whatever you choose 
to use to not automatically rotate images using the EXIF metadata. Then you can 
truly rotate and save the picture in the right orientation. In FastStone see 
Settings - Settings - Viewer  and uncheck Auto-Rotate by EXIF orientation tag.
Legacy doesn't use the EXIF metadata to orientate the pictures, your phone and 
many programs do.
Note you can edit images linked to Legacy in other programs - to rotate them, 
remove flaws or crop them, resize them, ... provided you don't change their 
filename. They'll still be linked.
Just make sure that if it's your only copy, you copy it somewhere else for an 
archive copy first.

Cathy
> Hotrum family  Monday, 7 August 2017 
> 7:10 AM
>
> I recommend that you download and install either IrfanView or 
> FastStone (or both) and get your pictures the way you want them 
> (orientation, cropping, size, colours, brightness, etc.) before 
> attaching to Legacy. Both are free and can be downloaded from the 
> internet.
>
> FastStone has a more up-to-date user interface and is better at adding 
> text/graphics.
>
> IrfanView has the advantage of being able to convert to/from PDF files 
> and does more precise cropping.
>
> I use both of them.
>
> Cheers! -- Dave N.
> Trevor Carlson  Monday, 7 August 2017 
> 5:13 AM
>
> Well, I have a particularly perplexing issue that I cannot figure out. 
> I've taken a number of photos on my iPhone 6 in which the photos are 
> showing perfectly fine in the files (downloaded to my computer), but 
> are all on its side when opening the folder in Legacy. No amount of 
> 'rotating' the pictures in the file folders helps, and you cannot edit 
> photos directly in Legacy. What do i do?
>
> Note, when the photo was taken in landscape, there is no issue. It is 
> a problem only when taken in portrait.
>
> I'm using the latest version of Legacy9 Deluxe, and use the default 
> photo program from Windows 10. What is truly disturbing is that I 
> never had the problem in Legacy 8. I've also attached into Legacy9 
> pictures which had been downloaded prior to the Legacy9 upgrade 
> without issue only two weeks ago. Why is this a problem now? Is there 
> some setting on the iPhone6 screwing this up while snapping the 
> pictures as well? If so, I cannot understand why the rotating function 
> wouldn't work.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Trevor Carlson
>
> Edmonton, AB
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[F B]

GORDON I use MH for quite a while ever since they or Geoff  show us a webinar 
from them an I under there will be another soon. As I use it I found many 
people make there trees private and you can not see . I was just on it a short 
time and My DNA on the site  of lady that share Dna  with me but her 
information is private. So I do not see any way MH could interfere with any LFT 
now even if they tried. Fred

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: GORDON M TAYLOR
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:44 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage


MH can see your file now in LFT 9.



gmt

From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:02:56 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

One of the concerns that I am seeing in this set of messages is a fear that
MyHeritage will be able to extract a copy of your tree from your local PC
through Legacy.

To do that, they will need to get Millennia to make changes to the Legacy
program, which I doubt that they will do so long as they are operating
totally separately.

If they did manage to make that change they would also need your explicit
permission to do it.

Doing it without permission, which could be done, is the theft of your
private information, including information on living people.

That would be illegal in the EU, GB and, I assume, USA, and I am sure that
your USA based users are quite capable of raising a class issue against them
if they did it.

If, as it has been suggested, MyHeritage have ignored a user setting that a
tree is Private and converted it to Public tree with no permission, they are
again breaking our laws.

 So, there should not be an issue here, but we do need to keep an eye on
what they are planning and doing.

Regards

Chris

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: 06 August 2017 03:31
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

Anne,
It still applies.

Besides it's not so easy to sync a desktop database with an online tree
system. Note the delay in the release of FTM and RootsMagic sync ability
with the Ancestry tree.
Any syncing between a Legacy family file and a My Heritage tree requires the
development of the mechanism to do it.
It won't come before Legacy 10 and is expected to be entirely optional.
On top of that you then have the Privacy settings on a MyHeritage tree
apparently. I don't have one.

Cathy

> Anne Wiltshire  Sunday, 6 August 2017
> 10:21 AM Hello all Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family
> Tree (in the Help
> file) still apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto
> their website.
> With thanks
> Anne Wiltshire
> Runaway Bay QLD Australia
> *From:* CE WOOD
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know
> only that.
>
> Complete privacy on the website occurs *_ONLY_* if you set those
> options on your website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on
> your website, you must set the privacy settings for each. Some people
> don't mind having people find and/or view some of their trees.
>
> You can even set your tree so that it *_cannot be found _*if someone
> searches. You can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If
> someone can't find your info by searching, they cannot view it.
>
> You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of
> "members", and you can prevent "members" from changing anything on
> your site.
>
> On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think
> a source is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions,
> you can never trust anyone else's sources; you must go to their source
> yourself to check.
>
> My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents
> (primary sources) or reliable secondary sources such as _Complete
> Peerage_, _Domesday Descendants_, _Domesday People_, Settipani's
> tomes, etc.., but, with new documents being discovered almost daily,
> especially in England, errors have been found in many of those. There
> are several scholarly websites devoted solely to the corrections in those.
>
> MyHeritage is very far from perfect, but they have access to only your
> information that you allow them.
>
> CE
>
>
> --
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> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
> behalf of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 5:15 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don't trust it for
> various reasons. It 

Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Issue

[Cathy Pinner]

Trevor,

You need to find the setting in FastStone Image Viewer or whatever you 
choose to use to not automatically rotate images using the EXIF 
metadata. Then you can truly rotate and save the picture in the right 
orientation. In FastStone see Settings - Settings - Viewer  and uncheck 
Auto-Rotate by EXIF orientation tag.
Legacy doesn't use the EXIF metadata to orientate the pictures, your 
phone and many programs do.
Note you can edit images linked to Legacy in other programs - to rotate 
them, remove flaws or crop them, resize them, ... provided you don't 
change their filename. They'll still be linked.
Just make sure that if it's your only copy, you copy it somewhere else 
for an archive copy first.


Cathy

Hotrum family 
Monday, 7 August 2017 7:10 AM

I recommend that you download and install either IrfanView or
FastStone (or both) and get your pictures the way you want them
(orientation, cropping, size, colours, brightness, etc.) before
attaching to Legacy. Both are free and can be downloaded from the
internet.

FastStone has a more up-to-date user interface and is better at
adding text/graphics.

IrfanView has the advantage of being able to convert to/from PDF
files and does more precise cropping.

I use both of them.

Cheers! -- Dave N.
Trevor Carlson 
Monday, 7 August 2017 5:13 AM

Well, I have a particularly perplexing issue that I cannot figure out. 
I've taken a number of photos on my iPhone 6 in which the photos are 
showing perfectly fine in the files (downloaded to my computer), but 
are all on its side when opening the folder in Legacy. No amount of 
'rotating' the pictures in the file folders helps, and you cannot edit 
photos directly in Legacy. What do i do?


Note, when the photo was taken in landscape, there is no issue. It is 
a problem only when taken in portrait.


I'm using the latest version of Legacy9 Deluxe, and use the default 
photo program from Windows 10. What is truly disturbing is that I 
never had the problem in Legacy 8. I've also attached into Legacy9 
pictures which had been downloaded prior to the Legacy9 upgrade 
without issue only two weeks ago. Why is this a problem now? Is there 
some setting on the iPhone6 screwing this up while snapping the 
pictures as well? If so, I cannot understand why the rotating function 
wouldn't work.


Thank you,

Trevor Carlson

Edmonton, AB




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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Issue

[Crystal Emory]

What happens if you rotate the picture say just one 1/4 of a turn any then
upload it to the legacy program one you figure out how many turns it
takes.  It might look wrong before it's loaded but be right in legacy. I
had that issue in another program and fixed it this way.

Crystal

On Aug 6, 2017 5:14 PM, "Trevor Carlson"  wrote:

> Well, I have a particularly perplexing issue that I cannot figure out.
> I've taken a number of photos on my iPhone 6 in which the photos are
> showing perfectly fine in the files (downloaded to my computer), but are
> all on its side when opening the folder in Legacy. No amount of 'rotating'
> the pictures in the file folders helps, and you cannot edit photos directly
> in Legacy. What do i do?
>
>
>
> Note, when the photo was taken in landscape, there is no issue. It is a
> problem only when taken in portrait.
>
>
>
> I'm using the latest version of Legacy9 Deluxe, and use the default photo
> program from Windows 10. What is truly disturbing is that I never had the
> problem in Legacy 8. I've also attached into Legacy9 pictures which had
> been downloaded prior to the Legacy9 upgrade without issue only two weeks
> ago. Why is this a problem now? Is there some setting on the iPhone6
> screwing this up while snapping the pictures as well? If so, I cannot
> understand why the rotating function wouldn't work.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Trevor Carlson
>
> Edmonton, AB
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Issue

[Hotrum family]

On 6 Aug 2017  Trevor Carlson wrote:

> I've taken a number of photos on my iPhone 6 in which the photos
> are showing perfectly fine in the files (downloaded to my
> computer), but are all on its side when opening the folder in
> Legacy. No amount of 'rotating' the pictures in the file folders
> helps, and you cannot edit photos directly in Legacy. What do i
> do?

I recommend that you download and install either IrfanView or 
FastStone (or both) and get your pictures the way you want them 
(orientation, cropping, size, colours, brightness, etc.) before 
attaching to Legacy.  Both are free and can be downloaded from the 
internet.

FastStone has a more up-to-date user interface and is better at 
adding text/graphics.

IrfanView has the advantage of being able to convert to/from PDF 
files and does more precise cropping.

I use both of them.

Cheers! -- Dave N.
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  Web page: http://www3.sympatico.ca/dcnaylor 
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[LegacyUG] Picture Issue

[Trevor Carlson]

Well, I have a particularly perplexing issue that I cannot figure out. I've
taken a number of photos on my iPhone 6 in which the photos are showing
perfectly fine in the files (downloaded to my computer), but are all on its
side when opening the folder in Legacy. No amount of 'rotating' the pictures
in the file folders helps, and you cannot edit photos directly in Legacy.
What do i do?

 

Note, when the photo was taken in landscape, there is no issue. It is a
problem only when taken in portrait.

 

I'm using the latest version of Legacy9 Deluxe, and use the default photo
program from Windows 10. What is truly disturbing is that I never had the
problem in Legacy 8. I've also attached into Legacy9 pictures which had been
downloaded prior to the Legacy9 upgrade without issue only two weeks ago.
Why is this a problem now? Is there some setting on the iPhone6 screwing
this up while snapping the pictures as well? If so, I cannot understand why
the rotating function wouldn't work.

 

Thank you,

Trevor Carlson

Edmonton, AB

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[Kris]

During my short experiment with v.9, I found hints for my daughter, who 
is not dead yet.  Also my son and, in fact, pretty much all the living 
people in my LFT database -- but her hints are the only ones I checked. 
At MyHeritage, one was for a public record that can be found on Rootsweb 
and various free sites, the others, about a dozen, were the information 
from my file about her, as well as other people who had her in their 
trees also.  I did contact MyHeritage to ask about it.


First, the member of the support team told me "I have removed the 
information by now."  From the discussions here, I thought there was 
nothing to remove.


Further:  "Please note that the reason why you see the information about 
living people is, that you yourself have them in your tree as well. 
Therefore those specific living people don't need to be hidden from you, 
as you have them in your tree yourself. You received this personalized 
Smart Match page with information."


And:  "Please also note, Family sites at MyHeritage are automatically 
protected with privacy settings that prevent *guests (non-members)* from 
viewing sensitive information about living family members in family 
trees, such as first names and email addresses."  [Emphasis mine.]


So if you're a member, you *can* access that information by default at 
MyHeritage?  I'm using LFT, but am not, and never have been a member of 
MyHeritage.  And yet, if I access the "Smart Matches" via LFT, I see 
other trees with my daughter's information.  But if I use that link in 
my browser, the only thing that comes up is the public record.  This is 
a far cry from only simplifying the search process with pre-filled 
search terms.


The next logical step would have been to subscribe to MyHeritage to see 
what would happen then.  But I decided not to do that long ago as they 
play hide-the-ball with their subscription information -- all roads lead 
to family trees.  Actually, hints on dead people lead to other family 
trees as well.  Where are all these records they're supposed to have?  I 
was told I wasn't using the hints properly.  Okay.


In Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Oz is a guest at the surprise birthday 
party for Buffy which, of course, is disrupted by vampires and other 
oddnesses.  Willow is telling him that Buffy's the slayer, etc., and she 
understands it's a lot for him to take in.  Oz -- love Oz -- just says, 
"Actually, it explains a lot." -- i.e., the weird things that are always 
happening in Sunnydale.


There's been a lot of oddnesses with the release of v.9.  The MyHeritage 
announcement, actually, explains a lot.


On 8/6/2017 11:25 AM, Brian Kelly wrote:

No it cannot see your file!

What it gets are queries based on information in your file, just like 
the information you would have to submit on an individual to use the 
search feature at MH if you visit the site. What the hints in Legacy 9.0 
does is automate the submission of those queries and keeping track of 
the responses from MyHeritage or any of the other sites which you can 
use for Hints.


Brian Kelly

On 06-Aug-17 10:43 AM, GORDON M TAYLOR wrote:

MH can see your file now in LFT 9.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[Leon Chapman]

I think there is a mis-understanding about Legacy & MyHeritage Hints.
First of all, MyHeritage does not use your whole database to find hints -
that would take forever with a large database.

Here is what is published by MyHeritage on matches and hints:

***
MyHeritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family Tree
MyHeritage uses Smart Matching™ and Record Matching technologies to match
between family trees and historical records on MyHeritage and Legacy Family
Tree trees.

What is Smart Matching™?
Smart Matching™ compares your family tree to all family trees on
MyHeritage, to look for matches. If matches are found, you are notified and
you can view the matches, confirm or reject them. This feature can help you
make new discoveries in your genealogy research, and also connect you to
distant family members who are researching the same individuals as you are.

What is Record Matching?
Record Matching automatically finds matching historical records for your
family tree, from our growing collection of billions of records. It can
save you time with your research and allow you to make fascinating
discoveries through birth documents, census records, newspaper articles and
more.

How does it work?
When Smart Matching™ and Record Matching are enabled within Legacy Family
Tree, T*information from small parts of your family tree is periodically
passed*, 'behind the scenes' and without you having to do anything, to a
matching service on the MyHeritage website. This information includes
names, dates and places associated with individuals and their close
relatives. MyHeritage uses this data to find extremely accurate Smart
Matches™ and Record Matches for the relevant individuals. *This information
is not collected by MyHeritage and is deleted automatically after matches
are calculated and displayed to you. Smart Matches™ are not bi-directional:
Legacy Family Tree users receive them with trees of MyHeritage users, but
MyHeritage users do not receive them with trees of Legacy Family Tree
users.*

Note that some of the matches can be viewed and confirmed for free, while
others require a MyHeritage data subscription.

*The information passed to MyHeritage is never used for any other purpose
and will never be displayed, sold, licensed or used in any manner
whatsoever.*

If you have any question or concerns, feel free to contact MyHeritage via
the Help Center .

***

I have highlighted in bold the critical information you need to know.

Chap

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On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Roberta Montpetit <
robertamontpe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "When you sign into v9 MH reads your file and compares with theirs to
> offer hunts.  The feature is automatic unless you turn it off."
>
> That is exactly the point that several people have made!
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 3:05 PM, GORDON M TAYLOR  wrote:
>
>> When you sign into v9 MH reads your file and compares with theirs to
>> offer hunts.  The feature is automatic unless you turn it off.
>>
>> Get Outlook for Android 
>>
>> --
>> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
>> behalf of Carrie Pillow 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:25:16 AM
>> *To:* Legacy User Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>>
>>
>> How can they ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Your data is on your computer, it is only seen if you share it!
>>
>>
>>
>> Carrie
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *GORDON M TAYLOR
>> *Sent:* 06 August 2017 15:44
>> *To:* Legacy User Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>>
>>
>>
>> MH can see your file now in LFT 9.
>>
>>
>>
>> gmt
>> --
>>
>> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
>> behalf of Chris Hill 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:02:56 AM
>> *To:* 'Legacy User Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the concerns that I am seeing in this set of messages is a fear
>> that
>> MyHeritage will be able to extract a copy of your tree from your local PC
>> through Legacy.
>>
>> To do that, they will need to get Millennia to make changes to the Legacy
>> program, which I doubt that they will do so long as they are operating
>> totally separately.
>>
>> If they did manage to make that change they would also need your explicit
>> permission to do it.
>>
>> Doing it without permission, which could be done, is the theft of your
>> private information, including information on living people.
>>
>> That would be illegal in the EU, GB and, I assume, USA, and I am sure that
>> your USA based users are quite capable of raising a class issue against
>> them
>> if they did it.
>>
>> If, as it has been suggested, MyHeritage have ignored a user setting that
>> a
>> tree is Private and converted it to Public tree with no permission, they
>> are
>> again breaking our laws.
>>
>>  So, there should not be an is

[LegacyUG] MH Auto Matching

[Michael Slater]

Many are worried about the Auto / Smart Matching with MH. To turn this
function off use:

 Options/Customise/8.View/8.13/Select Background HInts/ here check or
uncheck MyHeritage and/or FamilySearch

Here is an explanation obtained from the "Read about MyHeritage´s living
matches" button:

*MyHeritage Hints for Living People*

When Smart Matching™ and Record Matching are enabled within Legacy Family
Tree, information from small parts of your family tree are periodically
passed, 'behind the scenes' and without you having to do anything, to a
matching service on the MyHeritage website. This information includes
names, dates and places associated with individuals and their close
relatives. MyHeritage uses this data to find extremely accurate Smart
Matches and Record Matches for the relevant individuals. *Legacy
information sent to MyHeritage for hinting is never collected, stored or
used. After matching it is discarded.* There is a privacy policy
specifically guaranteeing that (click here to read it
).
*The Legacy user's data privacy is protected.*

*Matching on Living People*

Matching on living people can locate trees and other users who own them who
are related to you as close or distant cousins, and exchanging information
with them about their ancestors (who are also your ancestors) could reveal
valuable information not received through hints (because some ancestors
could be missing in your tree, thus you cannot get hints on them, but you
can learn about them through hints with living relatives).

Matching on living people typically doubles the amount of matches that
people get. Without such matches people will not find living relatives they
are sometimes desperately looking for (e.g. adopted people who know the
names of their biological family members and are looking for them).

Some people enjoy life-changing discoveries (give examples) as a result of
matching with living people in their tree. One of the happiest moments
possible in genealogy is the excitement of reuniting with family members
who are ALIVE.

Genealogy and family history are not just about dead people. They are also
about the living.

For those reasons there is no reason whatsoever to turn off hinting for
living people. No information of the Legacy user is breached. It's like
having an ostrich bury its head in the sand, pretending that information
that is out there (outside the user's tree doesn't exist).

If people have an online tree on MyHeritage, and don't want to have that
tree matched with other users on MyHeritage (or specifically with trees of
MyHeritage partners such as Legacy) they can turn that off in their privacy
settings on MyHeritage, about which you have blogged recently.

So the option to collect hints on living people is for the direct benefit
of the users and MyHeritage gains nothing from this except giving users
more matches that could be relevant for their research. Some users are
quick to dismiss the value from such matches but it is plentiful. For a
start, a person not marked as dead in the user's tree could by now be
really dead and MyHeritage might be able to discover this, for example by
matching that person with his/her BillionGraves gravestone record (which,
by the way, is FREE and does not require a Data subscription on
MyHeritage). Another point is that Smart Matches on living people could
lead the way to connecting with distant cousins (second cousins, third
cousins, etc) who own trees on MyHeritage. Those cousins share ancestors
with the user and might have in their trees information about shared
ancestors that the Legacy family tree user doesn't have in his/her tree at
all. So users will lose at least half the value of hinting if they turn off
hinting for living people, and they will gain no benefit whatsoever in
doing so. Their privacy is not affected negatively when such hinting takes
place.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[Roberta Montpetit]

"When you sign into v9 MH reads your file and compares with theirs to offer
hunts.  The feature is automatic unless you turn it off."

That is exactly the point that several people have made!

On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 3:05 PM, GORDON M TAYLOR  wrote:

> When you sign into v9 MH reads your file and compares with theirs to offer
> hunts.  The feature is automatic unless you turn it off.
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
>
> --
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
> behalf of Carrie Pillow 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:25:16 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>
>
> How can they ?
>
>
>
> Your data is on your computer, it is only seen if you share it!
>
>
>
> Carrie
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *GORDON M TAYLOR
> *Sent:* 06 August 2017 15:44
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>
>
>
> MH can see your file now in LFT 9.
>
>
>
> gmt
> --
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
> behalf of Chris Hill 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:02:56 AM
> *To:* 'Legacy User Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>
>
>
> One of the concerns that I am seeing in this set of messages is a fear that
> MyHeritage will be able to extract a copy of your tree from your local PC
> through Legacy.
>
> To do that, they will need to get Millennia to make changes to the Legacy
> program, which I doubt that they will do so long as they are operating
> totally separately.
>
> If they did manage to make that change they would also need your explicit
> permission to do it.
>
> Doing it without permission, which could be done, is the theft of your
> private information, including information on living people.
>
> That would be illegal in the EU, GB and, I assume, USA, and I am sure that
> your USA based users are quite capable of raising a class issue against
> them
> if they did it.
>
> If, as it has been suggested, MyHeritage have ignored a user setting that a
> tree is Private and converted it to Public tree with no permission, they
> are
> again breaking our laws.
>
>  So, there should not be an issue here, but we do need to keep an eye on
> what they are planning and doing.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com
> ] On
> Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
> Sent: 06 August 2017 03:31
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> Anne,
> It still applies.
>
> Besides it's not so easy to sync a desktop database with an online tree
> system. Note the delay in the release of FTM and RootsMagic sync ability
> with the Ancestry tree.
> Any syncing between a Legacy family file and a My Heritage tree requires
> the
> development of the mechanism to do it.
> It won't come before Legacy 10 and is expected to be entirely optional.
> On top of that you then have the Privacy settings on a MyHeritage tree
> apparently. I don't have one.
>
> Cathy
>
> > Anne Wiltshire 
> Sunday, 6 August 2017
> > 10:21 AM Hello all Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family
> > Tree (in the Help
> > file) still apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto
> > their website.
> > With thanks
> > Anne Wiltshire
> > Runaway Bay QLD Australia
> > *From:* CE WOOD
> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM
> > *To:* Legacy User Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
> >
> > Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know
> > only that.
> >
> > Complete privacy on the website occurs *_ONLY_* if you set those
> > options on your website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on
> > your website, you must set the privacy settings for each. Some people
> > don't mind having people find and/or view some of their trees.
> >
> > You can even set your tree so that it *_cannot be found _*if someone
> > searches. You can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If
> > someone can't find your info by searching, they cannot view it.
> >
> > You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of
> > "members", and you can prevent "members" from changing anything on
> > your site.
> >
> > On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think
> > a source is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions,
> > you can never trust anyone else's sources; you must go to their source
> > yourself to check.
> >
> > My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents
> > (primary sources) or reliable secondary sources such as _Complete
> > Peerage_, _Domesday Descendants_, _Domesday People_, Settipani's
> > tomes, etc.., but, with new documents being discovered almost daily,
> > especially in England, errors have been found in many of those. There
> > are several scholarly we

Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

[cf6e2e9d]

Unicode is a standard for storing, manipulating, and displaying text for
almost all languages.  ANSI only covers some languages.

Why is Unicode important?  Without it we can't accurately enter most
languages' characters, store them, and display them.  For example none of
the Japanese characters can be entered.  Therefore, anyone who has
ancestors that are Japanese can't enter the correct information for those
ancestors.  I can't even begin to think of a workaround for this except
maybe transliteration.  In my book that's not acceptable.

Personally, my wife has Eastern European ancestors.  Without Unicode I
haven't been able to enter certain characters correctly for their names,
birth locations, baptism locations, etc.  I have a workaround but it's
terrible.  I'm concerned that if I share that part of my database that
others will not recognize this and leave the workaround explanation out.
Who wants to purposely perpetuate wrong information?  So I don't share my
database with others.  Hence my and other's research suffers.

Brian

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>
>> ​​
>>
>> Geoff and others have made it quite clear that they will not rewrite
>> Legacy in another programming language.  Having over 20 years experience in
>> software engineering and having interacted with product managers that is
>> perfectly understandable.
>>
>> I can't say to what level Millennia has explored using third party
>> vendors' tools to provide Unicode support since I don't have access to
>> their code or business structure.  My understanding is that VB6 stores
>> characters in Unicode but before it manipulates or displays them it
>> converts to ANSI.  That is where CyberActiveX and Hexagora comes in.  They
>> provide source code and tools to do this.  Their sotware should be well
>> tested because international companies such as IBM, Toshiba, Siemens, etc.
>> are using it.  Both companies seem eager to help integrate their software
>> and support it.  Given that even this undertaking is not trivial.
>>
>> In the end Millennia doesn't owe us an explanation but I think we deserve
>> a more accurate reason than Legacy would need to be rewritten from
>> scratch.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 7:51 AM, JoAnne Flynn [Masked] <> <+target=>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the explanation
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Brian Kelly  wrote:
>>>
 Unicode is a character encoding system that can handle all the
 characters for all the languages in the world plus special characters. It
 is important to those with ancestors from Slavic/Eastern European, China,
 Japan, etc. These are areas which use alphabets that are not supported
 currently in Legacy. It may have no impact on you but many researchers do
 have ancestors whose names use these special alphabets and who lived in
 areas where place names are in those alphabets.

 Adding Unicode support to Legacy will greatly expand the potential user
 base.

 Brian Kelly

 On 04-Aug-17 1:22 PM, JoAnne Flynn wrote:

> I hate to appear completely ignorant- but what is Unicode and why is
> that important to my genealogy recording keeping software??
>
> On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ian Macaulay  macau...@icmac.ca>> wrote:
>
> If you manufacture something that thousands are using, would you cater
> to one or two special cases???
>
> However I would be more worried about FAG.  Its Ancestry and in Direct
> competition with My Heritage.
>
> I guess the test will be in the pudding,  But so far you can use
> Legacy as it is for as long as your Computers can run it.
> If you don't like 10 than you can keep on using what you have.
>
> I sure hope that the folks at Millennia get whats right in the way of
> Jobs and Compensation,  They have been a great organization since their
> start.
>
> Ian
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Leonard J. McCown  > wrote:
>
> *Apparently Millennia programmers have their 

Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[GORDON M TAYLOR]

When you sign into v9 MH reads your file and compares with theirs to offer 
hunts.  The feature is automatic unless you turn it off.

Get Outlook for Android


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Carrie Pillow 
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:25:16 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

How can they ?

Your data is on your computer, it is only seen if you share it!

Carrie

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of GORDON M TAYLOR
Sent: 06 August 2017 15:44
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage


MH can see your file now in LFT 9.



gmt


From: LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Chris Hill 
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:02:56 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

One of the concerns that I am seeing in this set of messages is a fear that
MyHeritage will be able to extract a copy of your tree from your local PC
through Legacy.

To do that, they will need to get Millennia to make changes to the Legacy
program, which I doubt that they will do so long as they are operating
totally separately.

If they did manage to make that change they would also need your explicit
permission to do it.

Doing it without permission, which could be done, is the theft of your
private information, including information on living people.

That would be illegal in the EU, GB and, I assume, USA, and I am sure that
your USA based users are quite capable of raising a class issue against them
if they did it.

If, as it has been suggested, MyHeritage have ignored a user setting that a
tree is Private and converted it to Public tree with no permission, they are
again breaking our laws.

 So, there should not be an issue here, but we do need to keep an eye on
what they are planning and doing.

Regards

Chris

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: 06 August 2017 03:31
To: Legacy User Group 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

Anne,
It still applies.

Besides it's not so easy to sync a desktop database with an online tree
system. Note the delay in the release of FTM and RootsMagic sync ability
with the Ancestry tree.
Any syncing between a Legacy family file and a My Heritage tree requires the
development of the mechanism to do it.
It won't come before Legacy 10 and is expected to be entirely optional.
On top of that you then have the Privacy settings on a MyHeritage tree
apparently. I don't have one.

Cathy

> Anne Wiltshire  Sunday, 6 August 2017
> 10:21 AM Hello all Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family
> Tree (in the Help
> file) still apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto
> their website.
> With thanks
> Anne Wiltshire
> Runaway Bay QLD Australia
> *From:* CE WOOD
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know
> only that.
>
> Complete privacy on the website occurs *_ONLY_* if you set those
> options on your website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on
> your website, you must set the privacy settings for each. Some people
> don't mind having people find and/or view some of their trees.
>
> You can even set your tree so that it *_cannot be found _*if someone
> searches. You can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If
> someone can't find your info by searching, they cannot view it.
>
> You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of
> "members", and you can prevent "members" from changing anything on
> your site.
>
> On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think
> a source is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions,
> you can never trust anyone else's sources; you must go to their source
> yourself to check.
>
> My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents
> (primary sources) or reliable secondary sources such as _Complete
> Peerage_, _Domesday Descendants_, _Domesday People_, Settipani's
> tomes, etc.., but, with new documents being discovered almost daily,
> especially in England, errors have been found in many of those. There
> are several scholarly websites devoted solely to the corrections in those.
>
> MyHeritage is very far from perfect, but they have access to only your
> information that you allow them.
>
> CE
>
>
> --
> --
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup 
> mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
>  on
> behalf of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au

Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

[Jon Patton]

What is Unicode?  What good is it to the majority of Legacy Software?


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On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:32 PM,  wrote:

> ​​
>
> Geoff and others have made it quite clear that they will not rewrite
> Legacy in another programming language.  Having over 20 years experience in
> software engineering and having interacted with product managers that is
> perfectly understandable.
>
> I can't say to what level Millennia has explored using third party
> vendors' tools to provide Unicode support since I don't have access to
> their code or business structure.  My understanding is that VB6 stores
> characters in Unicode but before it manipulates or displays them it
> converts to ANSI.  That is where CyberActiveX and Hexagora comes in.  They
> provide source code and tools to do this.  Their sotware should be well
> tested because international companies such as IBM, Toshiba, Siemens, etc.
> are using it.  Both companies seem eager to help integrate their software
> and support it.  Given that even this undertaking is not trivial.
>
> In the end Millennia doesn't owe us an explanation but I think we deserve
> a more accurate reason than Legacy would need to be rewritten from
> scratch.
>
> Brian
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 7:51 AM, JoAnne Flynn [Masked] <> <+target=> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the explanation
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Brian Kelly  wrote:
>>
>>> Unicode is a character encoding system that can handle all the
>>> characters for all the languages in the world plus special characters. It
>>> is important to those with ancestors from Slavic/Eastern European, China,
>>> Japan, etc. These are areas which use alphabets that are not supported
>>> currently in Legacy. It may have no impact on you but many researchers do
>>> have ancestors whose names use these special alphabets and who lived in
>>> areas where place names are in those alphabets.
>>>
>>> Adding Unicode support to Legacy will greatly expand the potential user
>>> base.
>>>
>>> Brian Kelly
>>>
>>> On 04-Aug-17 1:22 PM, JoAnne Flynn wrote:
>>>
 I hate to appear completely ignorant- but what is Unicode and why is
 that important to my genealogy recording keeping software??

 On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ian Macaulay >>> macau...@icmac.ca>> wrote:

 If you manufacture something that thousands are using, would you cater
 to one or two special cases???

 However I would be more worried about FAG.  Its Ancestry and in Direct
 competition with My Heritage.

 I guess the test will be in the pudding,  But so far you can use Legacy
 as it is for as long as your Computers can run it.
 If you don't like 10 than you can keep on using what you have.

 I sure hope that the folks at Millennia get whats right in the way of
 Jobs and Compensation,  They have been a great organization since their
 start.

 Ian


 On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Leonard J. McCown >>> > wrote:

 *Apparently Millennia programmers have their priorities, but not
 always the same as the users!*

 *__ __*

 *­*

 *___
 __*

 *__ __*

 *Leonard J. McCown, Irving, Texas -- McCown Family History*

 *217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903*

 *972-254-7952 *

 *leon...@mccown.org**--
 **http://www.mccown.org***

 *People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward
 to*

 *their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790*

 *___
 __*

 __ __

 *__ __*

 *From:* LegacyUserGroup
 [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com
 ] *On Behalf Of
 *Sherry
 *Sent:* Friday, August 4, 2017 10:01 AM
 *To:* Brian Kelly mailto:exma...@gmail.com>>
 *Cc:* Legacy User Group >>> >
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

 __ __

 They've been saying that for years! I'd think there are tools to
 help with the conversion.


 S.

 __ __

 On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Brian Kelly >>> > wrote:

 But, as the reply to the question explained, co

[LegacyUG] Addressing the MyHeritage - Legacy data concerns

[Denise Moss-Fritch]

Hopefully the following will offer a bit of reassurance to those concerned
with MyHeritage buying out Millenia  and the data they have recorded in
their Legacy databases. Please remember that MyHeritage is not the ONLY auto
data search link offered in Legacy 9, nor is that auto search feature unique
in genealogy software.

 

First off, Legacy also links to and searches automatically at the following
genealogical data archives in Version 9:

  * FamilySearch

  * FindMyPast

  * MyHeritage

 

Other genealogy software also use auto search:

 

1 - Family Tree Maker

  * Ancestry (only if tree synced between FTM to Ancestry)

  * FamilySearch

 

2 - RootsMagic

  * FindMyPast

  * MyHeritage

  * Ancestry (only if tree synced between RootsMagic to Ancestry)

 

3 - Family Historian

  * FindMyPast

  * MyHeritage

 

That searching is described as 'Automatic Internet Data Matching". Legacy's
webinars offered a presentation (still free viewing) titled - "Hands-On with
Legacy Hints: Using MyHeritage Record Matches and Smart Matches" at the
following link (https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=635}.
This webinar should offer a some reassurance.

 

Family Historian also offered a description (written) titled "What is
Automatic Internet Data Matching?" found at the following link
(http://www.family-historian.co.uk/aidm). This description identifies how a
FH database is searched and what happens to the information used in that
search.

 

Given the amount of misinformation and concerns appearing in the list I hope
this information is helpful.

 

Denise

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Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

[cf6e2e9d]

​​

Geoff and others have made it quite clear that they will not rewrite Legacy
in another programming language.  Having over 20 years experience in
software engineering and having interacted with product managers that is
perfectly understandable.

I can't say to what level Millennia has explored using third party vendors'
tools to provide Unicode support since I don't have access to their code or
business structure.  My understanding is that VB6 stores characters in
Unicode but before it manipulates or displays them it converts to ANSI.
That is where CyberActiveX and Hexagora comes in.  They provide source code
and tools to do this.  Their sotware should be well tested because
international companies such as IBM, Toshiba, Siemens, etc. are using it.
Both companies seem eager to help integrate their software and support it.
Given that even this undertaking is not trivial.

In the end Millennia doesn't owe us an explanation but I think we deserve a
more accurate reason than Legacy would need to be rewritten from scratch.

Brian

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> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Brian Kelly  wrote:
>
>> Unicode is a character encoding system that can handle all the characters
>> for all the languages in the world plus special characters. It is important
>> to those with ancestors from Slavic/Eastern European, China, Japan, etc.
>> These are areas which use alphabets that are not supported currently in
>> Legacy. It may have no impact on you but many researchers do have ancestors
>> whose names use these special alphabets and who lived in areas where place
>> names are in those alphabets.
>>
>> Adding Unicode support to Legacy will greatly expand the potential user
>> base.
>>
>> Brian Kelly
>>
>> On 04-Aug-17 1:22 PM, JoAnne Flynn wrote:
>>
>>> I hate to appear completely ignorant- but what is Unicode and why is
>>> that important to my genealogy recording keeping software??
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ian Macaulay >> macau...@icmac.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you manufacture something that thousands are using, would you cater
>>> to one or two special cases???
>>>
>>> However I would be more worried about FAG.  Its Ancestry and in Direct
>>> competition with My Heritage.
>>>
>>> I guess the test will be in the pudding,  But so far you can use Legacy
>>> as it is for as long as your Computers can run it.
>>> If you don't like 10 than you can keep on using what you have.
>>>
>>> I sure hope that the folks at Millennia get whats right in the way of
>>> Jobs and Compensation,  They have been a great organization since their
>>> start.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Leonard J. McCown >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> *Apparently Millennia programmers have their priorities, but not
>>> always the same as the users!*
>>>
>>> *__ __*
>>>
>>> *­*
>>>
>>> *___
>>> __*
>>>
>>> *__ __*
>>>
>>> *Leonard J. McCown, Irving, Texas -- McCown Family History*
>>>
>>> *217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903*
>>>
>>> *972-254-7952 *
>>>
>>> *leon...@mccown.org**--
>>> **http://www.mccown.org***
>>>
>>> *People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward
>>> to*
>>>
>>> *their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790*
>>>
>>> *___
>>> __*
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> *__ __*
>>>
>>> *From:* LegacyUserGroup
>>> [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Sherry
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 4, 2017 10:01 AM
>>> *To:* Brian Kelly mailto:exma...@gmail.com>>
>>> *Cc:* Legacy User Group >> >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> They've been saying that for years! I'd think there are tools to
>>> help with the conversion.
>>>
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Brian Kelly >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> But, as the reply to the question explained, conversion will
>>> mean a complete rewrite from the ground up.
>>>
>>> That is a big effort and unless MyHeritage is willing to invest
>>> the money to do that by

Re: [LegacyUG] Merger with MyHeritage

[cf6e2e9d]

I've stopped at Legacy 8 until they fix what I consider a major flaw.  If
and when they fix this will determine whether I upgrade.

Brian

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> even though it was vastly outdated technologically speaking.
>
> I came to Legacy from another pretty good program and I guess I will now
> need to return to it.  Roots Magic has Unicode and is available on multiple
> platforms.  I regret that I just upgraded to V9 as I now consider that a
> huge waste of a precious resource - my money
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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[cf6e2e9d]

I posted the following on the merger announcement at Millennia's website.


You [Geoff] said that in order for Legacy to support Unicode it would have
to be rewritten from scratch. Sherry has posted on the Legacy Support
list-server that VB6 doesn't support Unicode so Legacy's software
programmers would need to learn a new language and rewrite it from scratch.
Are you aware that there are at least two companies (CyberActiveX and
Hexagora) that have products that integrate into existing VB6 programs to
provide Unicode support so that the underlying software doesn't have to be
rewritten? These products are used by many international companies (IBM,
Cisco, Toshiba, etc.) for this very purpose.


I'm not saying that it would be a trivial matter to integrate this third
party software but certainly they would not have to rewrite it from scratch.


I'm a long time customer of Millennia and I'm generally satisfied with
Legacy.  However, I'm very displeased about being forced to enter
inaccurate information into my database.


Brian

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> wrote:

> Preview: I realise that Legacy is currently a stand-alone program but
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> I realise that Legacy is currently a stand-alone program but I cannot see
> how it can last in its current form. First, technology and users
> expectations rapidly change and increase, while it my understanding is that
> Legacy is built on *outdated technology* which is why it cannot handle
> Unicode. Secondly, I cannot see why MyHeritage, which does everything
> online would keep Legacy which cannot cater for all their
> worldwide/culturally diverse users. It simply does not gel.
>
> I do not buy the reassurances given. I have been through restructures and
> merges in private and public sectors.  Reassurances about changes to
> practices or staffing never bear out.
>
> John
>
> *From:* Denise Moss-Fritch 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2017 12:48 PM
> *To:* 'Legacy User Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>
>
> If you sync with MyHeritage and leave the setting to public, then you tree
> would be visible.
>
>
>
> If you sync with MyHeritage, but set your tree to private (as is my tree)
> than no one will be able to see your data.
>
>
>
> If you do not sync your tree to MyHeritage, no tree will be uploaded.
>
>
>
> All the above are the same criteria as is found on Ancestry. I know, as I
> have a private tree there too.
>
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Anne Wiltshire
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 7:22 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>
>
>
> Hello all
>
>
>
> Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family Tree (in the Help file)
> still apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto their
> website.
>
>
>
> With thanks
>
>
>
> Anne Wiltshire
>
> Runaway Bay QLD Australia
>
>
>
> *From:* CE WOOD
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM
>
> *To:* Legacy User Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
>
>
> Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know only
> that.
>
>
>
> Complete privacy on the website occurs *ONLY* if you set those options on
> your website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on your website,
> you must set the privacy settings for each. Some people don't mind having
> people find and/or view some of their trees.
>
>
>
> You can even set your tree so that it *cannot be found *if someone
> searches. You can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If
> someone can't find your info by searching, they cannot view it.
>
>
>
> You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of "members",
> and you can prevent "members" from changing anything on your site.
>
>
>
> On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think a
> source is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions, you can
> never trust anyone else's sources; you must go to their source yourself to
> check.
>
>
>
> My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents (primary
> sources) or reliable secondary sources such as *Complete Peerage*, *Domesday
> Descendants*, *Domesday People*, Settipani's tomes, etc.., but, with new
> documents being discovered almost daily, especially in England, errors have
> been found in many of those. There are several scholarly websites devoted
> solely to the corrections in those.
>
>
>
> MyHeritage is very far from perfect, but they have access to only your
> information that you allow them.
>
>
>
>
>
> CE
>
>
> 

[LegacyUG] Merger with MyHeritage

[Wes Jester]

I am sorry to see this happen.  Legacy has been a wonderful program to use
even though it was vastly outdated technologically speaking.

I came to Legacy from another pretty good program and I guess I will now
need to return to it.  Roots Magic has Unicode and is available on multiple
platforms.  I regret that I just upgraded to V9 as I now consider that a
huge waste of a precious resource - my money

Wes
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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[Brian Kelly]

No it cannot see your file!

What it gets are queries based on information in your file, just like 
the information you would have to submit on an individual to use the 
search feature at MH if you visit the site. What the hints in Legacy 9.0 
does is automate the submission of those queries and keeping track of 
the responses from MyHeritage or any of the other sites which you can 
use for Hints.


Brian Kelly

On 06-Aug-17 10:43 AM, GORDON M TAYLOR wrote:

MH can see your file now in LFT 9.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[Carrie Pillow]

How can they ?

Your data is on your computer, it is only seen if you share it!

Carrie

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of GORDON M TAYLOR
Sent: 06 August 2017 15:44
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage


MH can see your file now in LFT 9.



gmt


From: LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Chris Hill 
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:02:56 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

One of the concerns that I am seeing in this set of messages is a fear that
MyHeritage will be able to extract a copy of your tree from your local PC
through Legacy.

To do that, they will need to get Millennia to make changes to the Legacy
program, which I doubt that they will do so long as they are operating
totally separately.

If they did manage to make that change they would also need your explicit
permission to do it.

Doing it without permission, which could be done, is the theft of your
private information, including information on living people.

That would be illegal in the EU, GB and, I assume, USA, and I am sure that
your USA based users are quite capable of raising a class issue against them
if they did it.

If, as it has been suggested, MyHeritage have ignored a user setting that a
tree is Private and converted it to Public tree with no permission, they are
again breaking our laws.

 So, there should not be an issue here, but we do need to keep an eye on
what they are planning and doing.

Regards

Chris

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: 06 August 2017 03:31
To: Legacy User Group 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

Anne,
It still applies.

Besides it's not so easy to sync a desktop database with an online tree
system. Note the delay in the release of FTM and RootsMagic sync ability
with the Ancestry tree.
Any syncing between a Legacy family file and a My Heritage tree requires the
development of the mechanism to do it.
It won't come before Legacy 10 and is expected to be entirely optional.
On top of that you then have the Privacy settings on a MyHeritage tree
apparently. I don't have one.

Cathy

> Anne Wiltshire  Sunday, 6 August 2017
> 10:21 AM Hello all Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family
> Tree (in the Help
> file) still apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto
> their website.
> With thanks
> Anne Wiltshire
> Runaway Bay QLD Australia
> *From:* CE WOOD
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know
> only that.
>
> Complete privacy on the website occurs *_ONLY_* if you set those
> options on your website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on
> your website, you must set the privacy settings for each. Some people
> don't mind having people find and/or view some of their trees.
>
> You can even set your tree so that it *_cannot be found _*if someone
> searches. You can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If
> someone can't find your info by searching, they cannot view it.
>
> You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of
> "members", and you can prevent "members" from changing anything on
> your site.
>
> On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think
> a source is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions,
> you can never trust anyone else's sources; you must go to their source
> yourself to check.
>
> My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents
> (primary sources) or reliable secondary sources such as _Complete
> Peerage_, _Domesday Descendants_, _Domesday People_, Settipani's
> tomes, etc.., but, with new documents being discovered almost daily,
> especially in England, errors have been found in many of those. There
> are several scholarly websites devoted solely to the corrections in those.
>
> MyHeritage is very far from perfect, but they have access to only your
> information that you allow them.
>
> CE
>
>
> --
> --
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup 
> mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
>  on
> behalf of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
> mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 5:15 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don't trust it for
> various reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I
> don't remember 

Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[GORDON M TAYLOR]

MH can see your file now in LFT 9.


gmt


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:02:56 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

One of the concerns that I am seeing in this set of messages is a fear that
MyHeritage will be able to extract a copy of your tree from your local PC
through Legacy.

To do that, they will need to get Millennia to make changes to the Legacy
program, which I doubt that they will do so long as they are operating
totally separately.

If they did manage to make that change they would also need your explicit
permission to do it.

Doing it without permission, which could be done, is the theft of your
private information, including information on living people.

That would be illegal in the EU, GB and, I assume, USA, and I am sure that
your USA based users are quite capable of raising a class issue against them
if they did it.

If, as it has been suggested, MyHeritage have ignored a user setting that a
tree is Private and converted it to Public tree with no permission, they are
again breaking our laws.

 So, there should not be an issue here, but we do need to keep an eye on
what they are planning and doing.

Regards

Chris

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: 06 August 2017 03:31
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

Anne,
It still applies.

Besides it's not so easy to sync a desktop database with an online tree
system. Note the delay in the release of FTM and RootsMagic sync ability
with the Ancestry tree.
Any syncing between a Legacy family file and a My Heritage tree requires the
development of the mechanism to do it.
It won't come before Legacy 10 and is expected to be entirely optional.
On top of that you then have the Privacy settings on a MyHeritage tree
apparently. I don't have one.

Cathy

> Anne Wiltshire  Sunday, 6 August 2017
> 10:21 AM Hello all Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family
> Tree (in the Help
> file) still apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto
> their website.
> With thanks
> Anne Wiltshire
> Runaway Bay QLD Australia
> *From:* CE WOOD
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know
> only that.
>
> Complete privacy on the website occurs *_ONLY_* if you set those
> options on your website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on
> your website, you must set the privacy settings for each. Some people
> don't mind having people find and/or view some of their trees.
>
> You can even set your tree so that it *_cannot be found _*if someone
> searches. You can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If
> someone can't find your info by searching, they cannot view it.
>
> You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of
> "members", and you can prevent "members" from changing anything on
> your site.
>
> On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think
> a source is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions,
> you can never trust anyone else's sources; you must go to their source
> yourself to check.
>
> My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents
> (primary sources) or reliable secondary sources such as _Complete
> Peerage_, _Domesday Descendants_, _Domesday People_, Settipani's
> tomes, etc.., but, with new documents being discovered almost daily,
> especially in England, errors have been found in many of those. There
> are several scholarly websites devoted solely to the corrections in those.
>
> MyHeritage is very far from perfect, but they have access to only your
> information that you allow them.
>
> CE
>
>
> --
> --
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
> behalf of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 5:15 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don't trust it for
> various reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I
> don't remember any other options. It was extremely difficult to find
> out how to enter an end date for the subscription because it was
> buried so deeply. From memory, I had to get out of their website and
> search on Google to find out how to do it.
>
> I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I
> thought I kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on
> their website.
>
> You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be
> on guard. Their technology/program seems to have "trip wires"
> everywhere to reset everything to defaults that suit them.
>
>

Re: [LegacyUG] remove

[Michael Slater]

Why should one want to unsub?

On 5 August 2017 at 17:06, Crystal Payne 
wrote:

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> for us.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage quality

[Cathy Pinner]

Chris,
You could see the tree detail as you went into by invitation. It's not 
MH's fault that your distant relative has entered bad data - or only 
partially if he accepted "Smart Matches" and "Discoveries" without checking.


I think perhaps you didn't get into the full search. My problem with MH 
is that for my areas of research (England and parts of Australia) it was 
only a search engine - but a very good one with results to free 
databases on FamilySearch and free Trove newspapers. I no longer have a 
MH subscription and my investigation is proving correct in that I get 
very few MH hints unless I have the Smart Match section on (the hinting 
is split so you can turn off Tree matches).


Online trees everywhere are as good as the researchers. MH trees have a 
lot of rubbish trees and some very good ones.


Cathy

Chris Hill wrote:


While this is not a Legacy question, since MyHeritage is now the new
owner of Millennia it might be worth asking about their system.

Now I have never used MH until just now, but I did have an email from
a distant relative of my wife, in France, inviting me to see their
tree on MH. So I just went in, as a non-registered user.

Immediately, I could see their tree in detail and any changes being
done to it by other users. I also found that my sister-in-law was
flagged as being deceased (she is not). The amount of information
being shown was minimal, but I don’t know if that is down to MH or to
the originator.

One of the claims that MH makes is that it has very good links between
trees, data bases etc and that it can find links that you would not
easily find. The reverse of that is that it will give you a massive
list of total incorrect information. Getting to the search is
difficult, since the site is driven to ask you to create a new tree,
but there is a search link buried at the bottom of the front page.

So I decided to look for my wife’s great-great-grandmother, born 1821
in France or Germany, died 1905 in Paris – so there should not be very
many matching records. Ancestry, signed in, gives me 30 census records
and 82 BMD records – MH gives me a list of 1559184 census and 2334202
BMD records. Why – because I did not make search look for exact
records. If I do that I get 13 trees only.

The ability to make control of the search is minimal – cannot even set
a date range. Looking at the returned data, it is obvious that surname
Marcan was treated as Morgan and other versions, with no ability to
limit that. I specifically used that name because I know that the
family name is very rare.

At that point I gave up, and is that the information that the Legacy
V9 links are going to show me.

Regards

Chris
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[LegacyUG] MyHeritage quality

[Chris Hill]

While this is not a Legacy question, since MyHeritage is now the new owner of 
Millennia it might be worth asking about their system.

 

Now I have never used MH until just now, but I did have an email from a distant 
relative of my wife, in France, inviting me to see their tree on MH. So I just 
went in, as a non-registered user.

 

Immediately, I could see their tree in detail and any changes being done to it 
by other users. I also found that my sister-in-law was flagged as being 
deceased (she is not). The amount of information being shown was minimal, but I 
don’t know if that is down to MH or to the originator.

 

One of the claims that MH makes is that it has very good links between trees, 
data bases etc and that it can find links that you would not easily find. The 
reverse of that is that it will give you a massive list of total incorrect 
information. Getting to the search is difficult, since the site is driven to 
ask you to create a new tree, but there is a search link buried at the bottom 
of the front page.

 

So I decided to look for my wife’s great-great-grandmother, born 1821 in France 
or Germany, died 1905 in Paris – so there should not be very many matching 
records. Ancestry, signed in, gives me 30 census records and 82 BMD records – 
MH gives me a list of 1559184 census and 2334202 BMD records. Why – because I 
did not make search look for exact records. If I do that I get 13 trees only.

 

The ability to make control of the search is minimal – cannot even set a date 
range. Looking at the returned data, it is obvious that surname Marcan was 
treated as Morgan and other versions, with no ability to limit that. I 
specifically used that name because I know that the family name is very rare.

 

At that point I gave up, and is that the information that the Legacy V9 links 
are going to show me.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

 

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[Jenny M Benson]

On 06-Aug-17 08:40 AM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

I really like Legacy except for its lack of Unicode.


Why all this griping about what Legacy doesn't do?

I just bought a new breadmaker.  I wanted one which would make different 
sized loaves so I bought one which makes 3 sizes of loaf.  I didn't buy 
one which only makes one size and then keep complaining that it doesn't 
do other sizes.


Reminds me of the people who buy a Mac and then complain they can't run 
particular programs on it because they're only built for Windows.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citation Info

[Jenny M Benson]

On 05-Aug-17 10:35 PM, Pete wrote:

Using Sourcewriter:

How would you enter data for “Crossle Genealogical Abstracts Collection”

The collection covers multiple surnames, many covering numerous volumes 
in which the noted genealogist Phillip Crossle recorded is research.


The collection is on microfilm.

I thought it would be “manuscript” and tried the only option “generic”. 
It would not print out the collection title.  I tried “book” this did 
not fit and it expected additional data.




I can't help you with your specific source because I know nothing of it, 
but with regard to your last comment, I can tell you that you really 
needn't get too bothered about how many fields are provided in a 
template or what they are named.  It is not necessary to fill in every 
field just because it's there and quite often you can happily ignore the 
field name and enter what you feel is necessary or appropriate.


Here is one example of how I use a SourceWriter template in a way which 
suits my needs.  There is a template for the English General Register 
Office Birth Indexes which I use for that purpose, but also when citing 
the Indexes produced by individual Counties.  In the latter case I only 
fill in 4 of the possible 10 fields (plus Source List Name) and then 
have to copy the Output Preview text to the Override tab in order to 
edit out "citing the General Register Office's England and Wales Civil 
Registration Indexes." which is "built into" the template but does not 
apply.  Then for the Source Details fields I ignore Volume, Page and 
Registration Month (which again, do not apply), enter the Year, 
Districts, Sub-District and Date Accessed and in the Credit Line field I 
enter the Reference Number.


This gives a very satisfactory citation providing all the necessary 
information in the same standardised format as when using that template 
for citing a GRO Index entry.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[Chris Hill]

One of the concerns that I am seeing in this set of messages is a fear that
MyHeritage will be able to extract a copy of your tree from your local PC
through Legacy.

To do that, they will need to get Millennia to make changes to the Legacy
program, which I doubt that they will do so long as they are operating
totally separately.

If they did manage to make that change they would also need your explicit
permission to do it.

Doing it without permission, which could be done, is the theft of your
private information, including information on living people. 

That would be illegal in the EU, GB and, I assume, USA, and I am sure that
your USA based users are quite capable of raising a class issue against them
if they did it.

If, as it has been suggested, MyHeritage have ignored a user setting that a
tree is Private and converted it to Public tree with no permission, they are
again breaking our laws.

 So, there should not be an issue here, but we do need to keep an eye on
what they are planning and doing.

Regards

Chris

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: 06 August 2017 03:31
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

Anne,
It still applies.

Besides it's not so easy to sync a desktop database with an online tree
system. Note the delay in the release of FTM and RootsMagic sync ability
with the Ancestry tree.
Any syncing between a Legacy family file and a My Heritage tree requires the
development of the mechanism to do it.
It won't come before Legacy 10 and is expected to be entirely optional. 
On top of that you then have the Privacy settings on a MyHeritage tree
apparently. I don't have one.

Cathy

> Anne Wiltshire  Sunday, 6 August 2017 
> 10:21 AM Hello all Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family 
> Tree (in the Help
> file) still apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto 
> their website.
> With thanks
> Anne Wiltshire
> Runaway Bay QLD Australia
> *From:* CE WOOD
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know 
> only that.
>
> Complete privacy on the website occurs *_ONLY_* if you set those 
> options on your website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on 
> your website, you must set the privacy settings for each. Some people 
> don't mind having people find and/or view some of their trees.
>
> You can even set your tree so that it *_cannot be found _*if someone 
> searches. You can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If 
> someone can't find your info by searching, they cannot view it.
>
> You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of 
> "members", and you can prevent "members" from changing anything on 
> your site.
>
> On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think 
> a source is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions, 
> you can never trust anyone else's sources; you must go to their source 
> yourself to check.
>
> My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents 
> (primary sources) or reliable secondary sources such as _Complete 
> Peerage_, _Domesday Descendants_, _Domesday People_, Settipani's 
> tomes, etc.., but, with new documents being discovered almost daily, 
> especially in England, errors have been found in many of those. There 
> are several scholarly websites devoted solely to the corrections in those.
>
> MyHeritage is very far from perfect, but they have access to only your 
> information that you allow them.
>
> CE
>
>
> --
> --
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on 
> behalf of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 5:15 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> I tried MyHeritage with the basic subscription and don't trust it for 
> various reasons. It defaulted to automatic renewals every year and I 
> don't remember any other options. It was extremely difficult to find 
> out how to enter an end date for the subscription because it was 
> buried so deeply. From memory, I had to get out of their website and 
> search on Google to find out how to do it.
>
> I entered some relatives on their Family Tree Builder. Even though I 
> thought I kept everything private, it ended up fully displayed on 
> their website.
>
> You can never relax while using MyHeritage and have to constantly be 
> on guard. Their technology/program seems to have "trip wires"
> everywhere to reset everything to defaults that suit them.
>
> Like others, I found MyHeritage users never provide sources. To 
> contact them or see their website, often requires paying the premium 
> subscription.
>
> On one occasion, I did manage to correspond with someo

Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[johnbernacki1]

I really like Legacy except for its lack of Unicode. I fear its demise due to 
its outdated technology. My ideal would be for Legacy to be rewritten on new 
technology and kept as it is except for addition of Unicode. That would make it 
as close as possible to perfect. I hope that is what happens, preferably sooner 
than later.

I am worried that while being rewritten with MH involvement, it will be changed 
from standalone, or some functions will only be available by subscription. 
Also, its interface may become as cluttered, ugly and cumbersome as other 
genealogy programs. 

For now, all we can do is wait and see.

John


From: Paul Gray 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 5:00 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

John,

 

I cautiously optimistic that My Heritage will maintain Legacy as a standalone 
program, with syncing to an online tree fully optional. If you look at the 
competition who have recently introduced or upgraded online tree syncing (to 
Ancestry), both Roots Magic and Family Tree Maker still run as independent 
desktop programs. Syncing, or even having an Ancestry account, is optional. One 
would expect Legacy/My Heritage to offer the same in order to compete. While a 
substantial number of people want online trees synced to their desktop tree, 
there are many of us who still want local trees only. I really don’t think they 
will abandon us and risk us going to the competition (at least I hope so).

 

In addition, I think this at least gives us hope that Legacy will be rewritten 
on to a modern technical platform. It was clear that Millenia alone was not 
going to do the rewrite. Although I don’t have any inside knowledge, I suspect 
that the substantial investment required for the rewrite could not be recovered 
in future sales given the current customer base. With My Heritage, there are 
more resources available, and hopefully they can expand their customer base. 
They haven’t committed to a rewrite, but If Legacy 10 sells well, and a they 
have good subscription sales for the MH site, I hope Legacy 11 will be new 
technology.

 

Time will tell, and for now it’s business as usual.

 

Paul

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: August 5, 2017 9:22 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

 

I realise that Legacy is currently a stand-alone program but I cannot see how 
it can last in its current form. First, technology and users expectations 
rapidly change and increase, while it my understanding is that Legacy is built 
on outdated technology which is why it cannot handle Unicode. Secondly, I 
cannot see why MyHeritage, which does everything online would keep Legacy which 
cannot cater for all their worldwide/culturally diverse users. It simply does 
not gel.

I do not buy the reassurances given. I have been through restructures and 
merges in private and public sectors.  Reassurances about changes to practices 
or staffing never bear out. 

John

 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[Paul Gray]

John,

I cautiously optimistic that My Heritage will maintain Legacy as a standalone 
program, with syncing to an online tree fully optional. If you look at the 
competition who have recently introduced or upgraded online tree syncing (to 
Ancestry), both Roots Magic and Family Tree Maker still run as independent 
desktop programs. Syncing, or even having an Ancestry account, is optional. One 
would expect Legacy/My Heritage to offer the same in order to compete. While a 
substantial number of people want online trees synced to their desktop tree, 
there are many of us who still want local trees only. I really don’t think they 
will abandon us and risk us going to the competition (at least I hope so).

In addition, I think this at least gives us hope that Legacy will be rewritten 
on to a modern technical platform. It was clear that Millenia alone was not 
going to do the rewrite. Although I don’t have any inside knowledge, I suspect 
that the substantial investment required for the rewrite could not be recovered 
in future sales given the current customer base. With My Heritage, there are 
more resources available, and hopefully they can expand their customer base. 
They haven’t committed to a rewrite, but If Legacy 10 sells well, and a they 
have good subscription sales for the MH site, I hope Legacy 11 will be new 
technology.

Time will tell, and for now it’s business as usual.

Paul


From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: August 5, 2017 9:22 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

I realise that Legacy is currently a stand-alone program but I cannot see how 
it can last in its current form. First, technology and users expectations 
rapidly change and increase, while it my understanding is that Legacy is built 
on outdated technology which is why it cannot handle Unicode. Secondly, I 
cannot see why MyHeritage, which does everything online would keep Legacy which 
cannot cater for all their worldwide/culturally diverse users. It simply does 
not gel.
I do not buy the reassurances given. I have been through restructures and 
merges in private and public sectors.  Reassurances about changes to practices 
or staffing never bear out.
John

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