Re: Cable Internet
And now for some facts about HOT cable service. Cables: When you connect to HOT, you get a cable modem that (usually) has Ethernet connection. When you connect something (router or PC) to that port and issue a DHCP request, you are assigned, as usual, an IP address. The IP address assigned depends on your connection type. Option 1: Your ISP told HOT that your are their customer. HOT DHCP assigns you an address from a pool that belongs to the ISP and routes all your traffic to that ISP. A router for that option need to be able to issue a DHCP request on its WAN link. Option 2: You are an 'open access' client. You get an IP address in the range 172.20.0.0/16-172.29.0.0/16. These addresses can access a restricted set of routers that belong to the ISPs. On top of that connection you can run whatever your ISP chose to do. Some (such as TAU) do PPTP, some do L2TP, but they can also do IPSEC, GRE or whatever they like. This is more flexible because you can switch ISPs without problems. A router for that option need to be able to issue a DHCP request and then run PPTP/L2TP using this IP address. I have seen routers which cannot do that, so you should check your router for that feature (you need to choose PPTP/L2TP and then in the IP address field you need to specify DHCP). So, a router for a HOT cable connection need to have an Ethernet WAN link. I haven't seen routers which have a coax connection and eliminate the need for a cable modem, so compatibility in that respect is not as issue. Enjoy. Geoff Shang wrote: Hello, Apologies for jumping onto a mailing list and posting right away. I realise it's bad form and I hope you'll forgive me for that. Apologies for also not reading the list FAQ at http://www.linux.org.il/linux-il-faq.html . This currently gives an error: xC: Undefined variable: REQUEST_URI xC: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/www-linuxorg/inc/main.php:19) I posted my query to gnubies-il yesterday but I haven't seen it appear yet, so thought I'd post it here in stead. I'm about to move to Israel with my wife. We've managed to land ourselves a good deal for cable Internet, and I've been reading conflicting information about how it works. The howto at http://tx.technion.ac.il/~eyalroz/linux_cable_pptp.html says that everyone uses PPTP. The howto at http://iglu.org.il/amit/cable seems to indicate that this was changing, and the IGLU FAQ says all you need is a DHCP client and the cable modem. I've also heard from other sources that it uses PPPoE. So which is it? Thanks in advance for any help you can give. It's confusing trying to get technical questions answered from the other side of the world when you don't speak the language. Geoff. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet
Hi, El lun, 16-04-2007 a las 10:46 +1000, Geoff Shang escribió: I'm about to move to Israel with my wife. We've managed to land ourselves a good deal for cable Internet, and I've been reading conflicting information about how it works. The best way I found to deal with cable was calling to the ISP( but never to HOT!) and ask them for Linux support otherwise I´ll move to other ISP. They instantly gave me a direct connection so I didn´t have to worry about protocols for the DHCP. The method works pretty well with many ISP. The howto at http://tx.technion.ac.il/~eyalroz/linux_cable_pptp.html says that everyone uses PPTP. The howto at http://iglu.org.il/amit/cable seems to indicate that this was changing, and the IGLU FAQ says all you need is a DHCP client and the cable modem. I've also heard from other sources that it uses PPPoE. So which is it? AFAIK and at least until four months ago, cable uses L2TP. For more information check out http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/BrdBandDefs/BrdBandDefs.htm Thanks in advance for any help you can give. It's confusing trying to get technical questions answered from the other side of the world when you don't speak the language. Cheers, -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Julian Daich wrote:
[snip]
El lun, 16-04-2007 a las 10:46 +1000, Geoff Shang escribi?:
I'm about to move to Israel with my wife. We've managed to land ourselves
a good deal for cable Internet, and I've been reading conflicting
information about how it works.
[snip]
AFAIK and at least until four months ago, cable uses L2TP. For more
information check out
http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/BrdBandDefs/BrdBandDefs.htm
This is a Hebrew article - is there something similar in English?
- yba
Thanks in advance for any help you can give. It's confusing trying to get
technical questions answered from the other side of the world when you don't
speak the language.
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Re: Cable Internet
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:40:23AM +0300, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: AFAIK and at least until four months ago, cable uses L2TP. For more information check out http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/BrdBandDefs/BrdBandDefs.htm This is a Hebrew article - is there something similar in English? I've never seen anything like it. BTW, routers purchased in the U.S. WON'T work here. The only exception is the Linksys WRTG54-L (linux version) with third party firmware. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet
El lun, 16-04-2007 a las 10:40 +0300, Jonathan Ben Avraham escribió: http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/BrdBandDefs/BrdBandDefs.htm This is a Hebrew article - is there something similar in English? - yba You are right. Sorry( see original Geoff comments bellow). At least the word Linux and the names of protocols and modems are in Latin characters at the tables, including their links. I just STFWed Googling for¨ israel cable L2TP¨ to find useful links. See some examples. http://l3ech.net/cables_linux_l2tp.php?reverse=on http://www.tournament.org.il/run/index.php?/archives/33-Cables-in-Israel-and-L2TP-on-Fedora-Core-3-Linux.html http://support.actcom.co.il/support/tips/cableen/cableRedhat_l2tp.php http://www.technion.ac.il/~eyalroz/linux_cable_pptp.html#pptp_l2tp_pppoe Hope it is useful. Thanks in advance for any help you can give. It's confusing trying to get technical questions answered from the other side of the world when you don't speak the language. -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet
Just a small correction I've never seen anything like it. BTW, routers purchased in the U.S. WON'T work here. The only exception is the Linksys WRTG54-L (linux version) with third party firmware. I have a D-LINK 614+ router purchased in the USA, and it works fine here with cable internet (L2TP) via actcom. The Israeli technical support staff were helpful in getting it set up. Jason = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet
Hello, Thanks to everyone who responded. So it seems that some howtos need updating. Ok so since I'm going to get a router eventually anyway, I need to get one that does L2TP, right? Are most Israeli routers L2TP enabled or do I need to specifically ask for it? I was hoping in the short term to be able to plg my Zyxel Prestige 2002 VoIP adaptor in to the connection, but I'm guessing it won't work until I get a router and do the necessary configurations. Any recommendations for good routers? (if such recommendations are against any list policies, feel free to recommend off list). And just while I'm curious, is ADSL standard PPPoE or something more complicated? Geoff. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet
Hi! ADSL standard is PPPoE . Dani Geoff Shang wrote: Hello, Thanks to everyone who responded. So it seems that some howtos need updating. Ok so since I'm going to get a router eventually anyway, I need to get one that does L2TP, right? Are most Israeli routers L2TP enabled or do I need to specifically ask for it? I was hoping in the short term to be able to plg my Zyxel Prestige 2002 VoIP adaptor in to the connection, but I'm guessing it won't work until I get a router and do the necessary configurations. Any recommendations for good routers? (if such recommendations are against any list policies, feel free to recommend off list). And just while I'm curious, is ADSL standard PPPoE or something more complicated? Geoff. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet
El lun, 16-04-2007 a las 21:51 +1000, Geoff Shang escribió: Hello, Thanks to everyone who responded. So it seems that some howtos need updating. Ok so since I'm going to get a router eventually anyway, I need to get one that does L2TP, right? Are most Israeli routers L2TP enabled or do I need to specifically ask for it? Many of them but not all, you should request for routers with good cable support. 3Com routers work fine with L2TP. -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cable Internet
Hello, Apologies for jumping onto a mailing list and posting right away. I realise it's bad form and I hope you'll forgive me for that. Apologies for also not reading the list FAQ at http://www.linux.org.il/linux-il-faq.html . This currently gives an error: xC: Undefined variable: REQUEST_URI xC: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/www-linuxorg/inc/main.php:19) I posted my query to gnubies-il yesterday but I haven't seen it appear yet, so thought I'd post it here in stead. I'm about to move to Israel with my wife. We've managed to land ourselves a good deal for cable Internet, and I've been reading conflicting information about how it works. The howto at http://tx.technion.ac.il/~eyalroz/linux_cable_pptp.html says that everyone uses PPTP. The howto at http://iglu.org.il/amit/cable seems to indicate that this was changing, and the IGLU FAQ says all you need is a DHCP client and the cable modem. I've also heard from other sources that it uses PPPoE. So which is it? Thanks in advance for any help you can give. It's confusing trying to get technical questions answered from the other side of the world when you don't speak the language. Geoff. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cable internet service providers
Boris Zingerman wrote: I would like to know which cable internet service providers in Israel are most Linux friendly, and which cable modems work smoothly with Linux Pretty much all cable modems supplied today have an Ethernet jack, since Windows users won't settle for USB-style speeds and responsiveness either... And once it supports Ethernet, there are no compatibility issues: you either get a PPTP dial-up-style access (with the regular Linux pptp client) or you get an address allocated via DHCP (with the regular ICS DHCP client -- in Fedora Core, that'll get you online with *no setup at all*). As to ISPs, the word Linux doesn't scare Netvision nor Actcom. Then again, I was positively impressed by Bezeqint recently, when I complained about high ping times and they asked me to mail them a traceroute (instead of blaming it on me repeatedly until I hang up out of frustration). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cable internet service providers
Interesting. How's your US/Europe bandwidth during peak hours? Gilboa On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 20:24 +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote: I convinced Barak013 to give me DHCP access (=no dailer) so I won't have to configure the dailer under linux. That took a few calls and expressing the fact that I'll change to another ISP unless getting that. Netvision. Hands down 1.The ISP wWorks with pptp and l2tp. 2, They have connection instruction and scripts (for both pptp and l2tp) on their site. 3. Their tech support have Linux people. Gilboa On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 16:56 +0200, Boris Zingerman wrote: Hi I would like to know which cable internet service providers in Israel are most Linux friendly, and which cable modems work smoothly with Linux Thanks Boris = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cable internet service providers
Hi I would like to know which cable internet service providers in Israel are most Linux friendly, and which cable modems work smoothly with Linux Thanks Boris = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cable internet service providers
Netvision. Hands down 1.The ISP wWorks with pptp and l2tp. 2, They have connection instruction and scripts (for both pptp and l2tp) on their site. 3. Their tech support have Linux people. Gilboa On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 16:56 +0200, Boris Zingerman wrote: Hi I would like to know which cable internet service providers in Israel are most Linux friendly, and which cable modems work smoothly with Linux Thanks Boris = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cable internet service providers
I convinced Barak013 to give me DHCP access (=no dailer) so I won't have to configure the dailer under linux. That took a few calls and expressing the fact that I'll change to another ISP unless getting that. Netvision. Hands down 1.The ISP wWorks with pptp and l2tp. 2, They have connection instruction and scripts (for both pptp and l2tp) on their site. 3. Their tech support have Linux people. Gilboa On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 16:56 +0200, Boris Zingerman wrote: Hi I would like to know which cable internet service providers in Israel are most Linux friendly, and which cable modems work smoothly with Linux Thanks Boris = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cable internet service providers
I'm using actcom, because everytime i call to the support there is a preson that works with linux at home, and knows a lot. I have heard that they bought the line from 013, so... They have all the scripts on the site. I have started there with DHCP, but when i upgraded my line, they moved me to dialer, some shouting at the phone, and searching for another supplier, made them continue with DHCP. Will not make my pentium 100Mhz tolerate dialer overhead ;) On Tuesday 08 March 2005 16:56, Boris Zingerman wrote: Hi I would like to know which cable internet service providers in Israel are most Linux friendly, and which cable modems work smoothly with Linux Thanks Boris = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpW7Sxud6mEc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Internet Zahav, L2TP (cable internet)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have recently joined Internet Zahav, and I wanted to connect them using my linux. I have the cables-router(aka. modem) connected to my ethernet adapter, and i get a private IP using DHCP. I started reading some information over the Internet about how to config my modem using pptp, to discover that I'm wasting my time because my user is bound to connect using l2tp. To my astonishment I haven't found any good infomration about using l2tp at this kind of configuration, and I wondered if any one on the list had any experience connecting to Internet Zahav using cable-router and l2tp. 10x, Noam Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAOlbIcgxJvekqy4kRAtseAJ0YIzJQSc0I5JUbAZpRyWo3DxgdMQCeMH4z 3j1qUpqV25aDUJA1zY6N54Q= =5q9n -END PGP SIGNATURE- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet Zahav, L2TP (cable internet)
You can grab scripts for either PPTP or L2TP from cables.netvision.net.il, and modify them for use with Internet Zahav. That's what I did. BTW, I find L2TP much more reliable. On 21:38 Mon 23 Feb, Noam Meltzer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have recently joined Internet Zahav, and I wanted to connect them using my linux. I have the cables-router(aka. modem) connected to my ethernet adapter, and i get a private IP using DHCP. I started reading some information over the Internet about how to config my modem using pptp, to discover that I'm wasting my time because my user is bound to connect using l2tp. To my astonishment I haven't found any good infomration about using l2tp at this kind of configuration, and I wondered if any one on the list had any experience connecting to Internet Zahav using cable-router and l2tp. 10x, Noam Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAOlbIcgxJvekqy4kRAtseAJ0YIzJQSc0I5JUbAZpRyWo3DxgdMQCeMH4z 3j1qUpqV25aDUJA1zY6N54Q= =5q9n -END PGP SIGNATURE- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Itamar Ravid [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Connecting Fedora Core to Cable Internet
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 08:56:13PM +0200, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: route add default $GATEWAY /dev/null 21 Whoops, that should've been: route add default gw $GATEWAY /dev/null 21 That did the trick- thanks Ilya! Offer Kaye = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Connecting Fedora Core to Cable Internet
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 03:43:21PM +0200, Offer Kaye wrote:
gave me http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-fedora.phtml.
Ouch! Looks complicated... :-(
And irrelevant anyway. They're using PPTP as a VPN-to-the-office
solution.
Ilya, do I have to use this? Can't I use the Netvision supplied binary?
Upgrading pptp is always a good idea.
And now, how to use PPTP on Fedora:
Replace 'netvision' with your ISP name.
... 'cable.netvision.net.il' with your ISP's pptp server.
... 'johndoe' with your username at the ISP.
... 'secret' with your password at the ISP.
1. Download pptp-linux RPM package for Fedora from:
http://pptp-client.sf.net/
(Yes, RedHat, the *user-friendly* distro doesn't carry a PPTP
package.)
2. Create file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-netvision,
containing:
8-(cut here)-8
# Set this to 'yes' if you want to connect on system startup.
ONBOOT=yes
USERCTL=yes
TYPE=Modem
PEERDNS=yes
DEVICE=ppp0
PROVIDER=netvision
# Default route must not be set; read on for explanation.
DEFROUTE=no
8-(cut here)-8
3. Create file /etc/ppp/peers/netvision, containing:
8-(cut here)-8
user johndoe
remotename cable.netvision.net.il
persist
pty pptp-routed cable.netvision.net.il --nolaunchpppd
noauth
usepeerdns
nodefaultroute
8-(cut here)-8
4. Add to your /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file:
johndoe cable.netvision.net.il secret
5. Create file /etc/ppp/ip-up.local, containing:
8-(cut here)-8
#!/bin/sh
GATEWAY=$5
DEFRT=`ip route list | awk '/^default / { print $3 }'`
[ -n ${DEFRT} ] echo $DEFRT /etc/default-route
logger Deleting current default route $DEFRT and adding $GATEWAY as default route.
route del default /dev/null 21
route add default $GATEWAY /dev/null 21
8-(cut here)-8
Explanation: Since pppd no longer has the 'replacedefaultroute' option,
we need to emulate it. RedHat tries, but unfortunately it deletes the
previous default route too early, before we start the PPTP connection.
Thus, we set DEFROUTE=no (in ifcfg-netvision) and add a small script to
do it ourselves.
5. Run 'ifup netvision'
That's it. You should be connected. Run '/sbin/ifconfig' to verify you
have a ppp0 interface. Run 'ifdown netvision' to disconnect.
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Re: Connecting Fedora Core to Cable Internet
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 08:56:13PM +0200, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: route add default $GATEWAY /dev/null 21 Whoops, that should've been: route add default gw $GATEWAY /dev/null 21 5. Run 'ifup netvision' And that should've been #6 :) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Connecting Fedora Core to Cable Internet
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 08:56:13PM +0200, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: [For the configrations: see redhat-config-network-cmd : --import/--export . Can be handy for scripting changes] 5. Run 'ifup netvision' How do you guarantee eth0 is up? Any easy way to guarantee this other than hoping that if you run start eth0 on startup and pptp later eth0 will be up? That's it. You should be connected. Run '/sbin/ifconfig' to verify you have a ppp0 interface. Run 'ifdown netvision' to disconnect. Does it kill pptp ? (I had some problems when I tried to use poff on debian in a similar manner) -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:13:06PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guy Teverovsky wrote: Hint: cable modem MAC address which can be easily tracked. And forged, therefore proving nothing, as far as I can tell. Constructing your own cable modem or burning a new ROM for an existing cable modem is too complicated for the common attacker. Being able to forge the MAC address of the cable modem also opens wide opportunities for so-called theft of service, but it's hard enough so cable companies don't have to worry about it. (Of course, no cable modem allows you to update its MAC address via software, as per DOCSIS specs.) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
Well, we are getting close into hypothesis territory. I suppose there is some truth in your assumptions, but I'm not sure a proper court of law (rememeber where this discussion startted) would take it at face-value that since a packet appeared to arrive from a particular MAC address then it proves 100% that this MAC address was the actual source of that packet, at least not without other supporting evidence. My previous ADSL Alcatel modem was claimed to be completly and uterly hackable, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone could crack into its Linux-based system and forge addresses in it. I heard that in recent years all ethernet interfaces menufactured were created with re-programmable MAC address simply for the convenience of the menufacturer. --Amos Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:13:06PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guy Teverovsky wrote: Hint: cable modem MAC address which can be easily tracked. And forged, therefore proving nothing, as far as I can tell. Constructing your own cable modem or burning a new ROM for an existing cable modem is too complicated for the common attacker. Being able to forge the MAC address of the cable modem also opens wide opportunities for so-called theft of service, but it's hard enough so cable companies don't have to worry about it. (Of course, no cable modem allows you to update its MAC address via software, as per DOCSIS specs.) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Your email is protected by Mailshell -- To block spam or change delivery options: http://www.mailshell.com/control.html?a=blshp8b9gc0rxhgk_srox_llfpptvypmvy7j ReturnPath.net http://rd.mailshell.com/ad481 Earn up to $3 for each of your friends who signs up with Mailshell! http://rd.mailshell.com/sp5 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
Michael Sternberg wrote: RE: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it... From: Michael Sternberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Fruehauf Sent: Tue, December 09, 2003 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it... ... ... beware of the evil 012 ... ... Strange. I'm connected to 012 via MATAV cables and happily use Linux with IP received via DHCP. Maybe it depends on the geographic area (Haifa) ? More than that - MATAV supplied modem that capable of providing network via NIC and via USB. And if I connect both - I receive two valid IPs via DHCP.. Same here. but it's not so strange. We were connected to 012 before they started using dialers. I talked with the support once and they said that they might move us all to dialers during this year. It's not a brainer to use PPTP on linux but i still prefer DHCP connection. So i might consider moving to another ISP when they do that. Shlomi. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...: Lastly, reconsider whether you really want to use DHCP to connect. This means your username and password are not checked, and you are authenticated based on. your network card's MAC address. Yes, that's right. So what? This sort of authentication's only purpose is to protect the ISP from unauthorized people connecting to their network - you shouldn't care diddly squat about this. You're not paying per minute or per megabyte, and nobody can steal anything from you if they break this authentication. And I even doubt that they really use only your MAC address for their own protection - the cable network probably knows from which apartment your connection is coming and whether you're authorized to use the Internet service. To protect *yourself*, you'll need something completely different, such as running a firewall on your Linux machine and a bunch of other security precautions. I have a cable internet connection, with Matav and 012, and I do have DHCP (this is something Matav had to set up, not 012, as far as I understood!), and it is working great. I can even run DHCP on several computers, and get several separate IP addresses, which in some situations is very convenient. -- Nadav Har'El| Wednesday, Dec 10 2003, 15 Kislev 5764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-790466, ICQ 13349191 |A Life? Cool! Where can I download one of http://nadav.harel.org.il |those from? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...: Lastly, reconsider whether you really want to use DHCP to connect. This means your username and password are not checked, and you are authenticated based on. your network card's MAC address. Yes, that's right. So what? This sort of authentication's only purpose is to protect the ISP from unauthorized people connecting to their network - you shouldn't care diddly squat about this. You're not paying per minute or per megabyte, and nobody can steal anything from you if they break this authentication. And I even doubt that they really use only your MAC address for their own protection - the cable network probably knows from which apartment your connection is coming and whether you're authorized to use the Internet service. When you connect to the internet, you get an IP. The IP is marked, at the ISP's side, as belonging to you. If that IP address does something bad, it's your door the police are going to be knocking down on. Now, how possible is it going to be for you to claim that this does not prove anything? You could hire my services, which is not a bad thing in and on itself, but does not guarentee that the trial is going to go your way. Personally, I'd rather not even start. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consulting Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
Hi, From some contact I had with the cable companies I know that: 1. All of them are in the progress of switching to some sort of dialup connection - Over cable it will be pptp or l2tp. 2. The dialup connection has not been done in any way to help the customers. It is only to help the ISPs to prevent unauthorized people to connect to their networks (1. MAC cloning. 2. some cable modem let you get up to 4 IP addresses from the ISP, which means you can connect 4 PC to the ISP directly. They don't like it...). If you get anything from it (Which I know we are not) then good for you :) 3. The transfer to the dialup includes the ISP and the carrier (Cable companies in this case) and I know that in some areas they still didn't switch to it. 4. If you have only one station attached to the ISP try to get pptp modem. You can find somel2tp projects but from what I saw they are still not mature. 5. If you are connecting several stations then turn one of them to a router. Don't worry about the MTU. Set the MTU and MRU in the dialer to 1450. In the iptables add iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu so you will not have to change the MTU to all the LAN stations. I hope I wrote the line right ;) 6. Another option is to get a xDSL router. It will do all the dialup NAT FW work for you. This way the changes in your home network are minors. 7. Remember that in option 5 all the LAN is behind NAT. 8. About security. Well it doesn't matter if you are using DHCP or dialup. You get a real IP address, which means the world can see you. I strongly recommend using the firewall. Any way, don't waste time on getting mad on 012. All the ISPs are going to do it. Think what is the best way for you to live with it ;) Best Regards Yehoram Ben-Yaacov -Original Message- From: Dan Fruehauf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, December 09, 2003 23:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it... Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote their sales, but in short, you pay them, and they give you broadband internet access, in a low price. In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for the name of the person that helped me with that, i got cables installed today and after the basic installation the technition showed me how to connect using WindowsXP (yuck.). The connection was done via some kind of a dialer that uses L2TP. Unconcerned i dialed 012 again, asking them how can i connect with the method promised to me - dhcp. what i mainly got was some lame excuses, and that i should connect with a dialer and that connecting via DHCP is deprecated (one of their excuses was that it is unstable and insecure). Not getting into details, it is probably possible to connect via linux to 012, but why should we? - when other isps give you your DHCP without arguing... While writing this email, i didnt disconnect from 012, but i'm willing to, mainly because one of the comments i got from their support, translating to english it was something in the form of : hey, if you disable DHCP access and move everybody to dialers and such, people not using windows will be unable to connect through you, it might be even 10% of your users we dont care, they are probably very few... About promising me DHCP... just because i didnt write the name of the helpdesk dude that told me it's DHCP, i half way lost my 012 DHCP access, and besides, which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn about him or his convienience? ;/ My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). Take care. -- Dan Fruehauf. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote: Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote their sales, but in short, you pay them, and they give you broadband internet access, in a low price. In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for the name of the person that helped me with that, i got cables installed today and after the basic installation the technition showed me how to connect using WindowsXP (yuck.). The connection was done via some kind of a dialer that uses L2TP. Unconcerned i dialed 012 again, asking them how can i connect with the method promised to me - dhcp. what i mainly got was some lame excuses, and that i should connect with a dialer and that connecting via DHCP is deprecated (one of their excuses was that it is unstable and insecure). Not getting into details, it is probably possible to connect via linux to 012, but why should we? - when other isps give you your DHCP without arguing... While writing this email, i didnt disconnect from 012, but i'm willing to, mainly because one of the comments i got from their support, translating to english it was something in the form of : hey, if you disable DHCP access and move everybody to dialers and such, people not using windows will be unable to connect through you, it might be even 10% of your users we dont care, they are probably very few... About promising me DHCP... just because i didnt write the name of the helpdesk dude that told me it's DHCP, i half way lost my 012 DHCP access, and besides, which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn about him or his convienience? ;/ My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). Take care. -- Dan Fruehauf. From some bad experience with them I can tell you that the customer service of 012 is one of the worst I have seen (they disconnected an extra dial in account I kept id addition to Adsl without asking, took a week and a half to agree to reconnect, tried to charged for that time and then tried to charge for an extra account they apparently thorough in and didn't tell me). Even one of their supervisors agreed that their customer support is terrible. Anyway, if you can tell what modem it is, maybe it is possible to connect it with Linux anyway (although I would suggest moving to another company if you can). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:31:47AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, From some contact I had with the cable companies I know that: 1. All of them are in the progress of switching to some sort of dialup connection - Over cable it will be pptp or l2tp. 2. The dialup connection has not been done in any way to help the customers. It is only to help the ISPs to prevent unauthorized people to connect to their networks (1. MAC cloning. So why no identify a client by its modem ID? Or the phisical connection? Surely it is something they can resolve, if they want to. 2. some cable modem let you get up to 4 IP addresses from the ISP, which means you can connect 4 PC to the ISP directly. They don't like it...). If you get anything from it (Which I know we are not) then good for you :) Again, bad bookkeeping by the dhcp server -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm not sure they are in the business of RD. Solution -- money -- FAST ;) Btw, some of them moved from pptp to l2tp since it is lighter protocol and the equipment is chipper. Check this site: http://www.netguru.co.il/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=3 7 Best Regards Yehoram Ben-Yaacov -Original Message- From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, December 10, 2003 13:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux-IL mailing list Subject: Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it... On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:31:47AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, From some contact I had with the cable companies I know that: 1. All of them are in the progress of switching to some sort of dialup connection - Over cable it will be pptp or l2tp. 2. The dialup connection has not been done in any way to help the customers. It is only to help the ISPs to prevent unauthorized people to connect to their networks (1. MAC cloning. So why no identify a client by its modem ID? Or the phisical connection? Surely it is something they can resolve, if they want to. 2. some cable modem let you get up to 4 IP addresses from the ISP, which means you can connect 4 PC to the ISP directly. They don't like it...). If you get anything from it (Which I know we are not) then good for you :) Again, bad bookkeeping by the dhcp server -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Micha Feigin wrote: Even one of their supervisors agreed that their customer support is terrible. They often don't have a choice. Every so often you hit someone who will tell you so. Don't try to carry it further - the man may lose his job. Anyway, if you can tell what modem it is, maybe it is possible to connect it with Linux anyway (although I would suggest moving to another company if you can). The problem is that most of them are like that. The only exception I personally know are actcom. Even that comes at a price. Their quality comes at the expense of quantity. You often wait quite a while for them to pick up the line. At least it's a toll-free number (only one in Israel, as far as I know, to have a toll free support number). This is not to say that my experience with them has been totally problem free. Just that they seem, on the face of it, better than most. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consulting Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:07:37 +0200, Dan Fruehauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote their sales, but in short, you pay them, and they give you broadband internet access, in a low price. I did the transition from Bezeq ADSL to AZTV + Barak last week for the same financial reason. In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for the name of the person that helped me with that, i got cables installed today and after the basic installation the technition showed me how to connect using WindowsXP (yuck.). The connection was done via some kind of a dialer that uses L2TP. I think you have some misunderstanding. The cable modem gets its IP (I think it is internal for cable network, its in the 172.25.0.0 subnet) by DHCP. It passes that address to dialing device (computer, router), also by DHCP. The dialing device connect to the ISP gateway by L2TP (or PPTP) creating a VPN (see also Geoff and Michael Sternberg mails). Unconcerned i dialed 012 again, asking them how can i connect with the method promised to me - dhcp. what i mainly got was some lame excuses, and that i should connect with a dialer and that connecting via DHCP is deprecated (one of their excuses was that it is unstable and insecure). Not getting into details, it is probably possible to connect via linux to 012, but why should we? - when other isps give you your DHCP without arguing... While writing this email, i didnt disconnect from 012, but i'm willing to, mainly because one of the comments i got from their support, translating to english it was something in the form of : hey, if you disable DHCP access and move everybody to dialers and such, people not using windows will be unable to connect through you, it might be even 10% of your users we dont care, they are probably very few... About promising me DHCP... just because i didnt write the name of the helpdesk dude that told me it's DHCP, i half way lost my 012 DHCP access, and besides, which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn about him or his convienience? ;/ My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). My experience is different. As mentioned above I chose Barak as the ISP. I intended to use a switch-router (to connect 3/4 computers CONSTANTLY) so when I talked to the cable guys I assured I get an Ethernet modem (It turned out that their modem has both Ethernet and USB connections). I had a router to play with, this one did not have L2TP protocol dialer, so I called Barak and IMMEDIATELY they switched me to PPTP. That did not help because when the router dialed with PPTP it needed a static IP. I went and replaced it with switch-router that had L2TP (BTW, there are at least 2 switch-routers under 300 NIS that have both L2TP and PPTP dialers, and can get their IP by DHCP). I called Barak again and asked to return me to the L2TP protocol, the support guy convinced me that PPTP is better and helped me configure it (on a Windoz XP, just to be sure that it works). After that I configured the router and now everything works fine. I have some conclusions: 1. Call the support at about 8:00 in the morning, at that hour they are not busy and have all the time to be with you. NEVER, NEVER call in the evening if you can. 2. Ask/request from the support only what they SURLY knows (how to use PPTP from the Windows machine, not how to configure the router or a Mac/Linux) 3. Don't abandon your old connection to the Internet until the new one works (I had both Cable and phone ADSL for a week). 4. Sometimes (may be most of the time) It is cheaper to work around a problem than to solve it in its original framework (in this case - an external dialer for Linux instead of an internal software dialer, although I KNOW there are L2TP/PPTP dialers for Linux - just google for PPTP linux and L2TP linux). 5. As Yehoram Ben-Yaacov said - Don't waste time on getting mad on ... Think what is the best way for you to live with it. Ehud. - -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: use
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 01:38:39PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Micha Feigin wrote: Even one of their supervisors agreed that their customer support is terrible. They often don't have a choice. Every so often you hit someone who will tell you so. Don't try to carry it further - the man may lose his job. Anyway, if you can tell what modem it is, maybe it is possible to connect it with Linux anyway (although I would suggest moving to another company if you can). The problem is that most of them are like that. The only exception I personally know are actcom. Even that comes at a price. Their quality comes at the expense of quantity. You often wait quite a while for them to pick up the line. At least it's a toll-free number (only one in Israel, as far as I know, to have a toll free support number). This is not to say that my experience with them has been totally problem free. Just that they seem, on the face of it, better than most. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consulting Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ I second Shachar's notion that Actcom are a lesser evil. I've been with them for the past year or so with no problems under Linux = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cut your own wood and it will warm you twice Regards, Yoni Rabkin Katzenell pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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You can force AZTV to give you dhcp connection with no dialer That's the simple way to solve this -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ehud Karni Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:07:37 +0200, Dan Fruehauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote their sales, but in short, you pay them, and they give you broadband internet access, in a low price. I did the transition from Bezeq ADSL to AZTV + Barak last week for the same financial reason. In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for the name of the person that helped me with that, i got cables installed today and after the basic installation the technition showed me how to connect using WindowsXP (yuck.). The connection was done via some kind of a dialer that uses L2TP. I think you have some misunderstanding. The cable modem gets its IP (I think it is internal for cable network, its in the 172.25.0.0 subnet) by DHCP. It passes that address to dialing device (computer, router), also by DHCP. The dialing device connect to the ISP gateway by L2TP (or PPTP) creating a VPN (see also Geoff and Michael Sternberg mails). Unconcerned i dialed 012 again, asking them how can i connect with the method promised to me - dhcp. what i mainly got was some lame excuses, and that i should connect with a dialer and that connecting via DHCP is deprecated (one of their excuses was that it is unstable and insecure). Not getting into details, it is probably possible to connect via linux to 012, but why should we? - when other isps give you your DHCP without arguing... While writing this email, i didnt disconnect from 012, but i'm willing to, mainly because one of the comments i got from their support, translating to english it was something in the form of : hey, if you disable DHCP access and move everybody to dialers and such, people not using windows will be unable to connect through you, it might be even 10% of your users we dont care, they are probably very few... About promising me DHCP... just because i didnt write the name of the helpdesk dude that told me it's DHCP, i half way lost my 012 DHCP access, and besides, which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn about him or his convienience? ;/ My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). My experience is different. As mentioned above I chose Barak as the ISP. I intended to use a switch-router (to connect 3/4 computers CONSTANTLY) so when I talked to the cable guys I assured I get an Ethernet modem (It turned out that their modem has both Ethernet and USB connections). I had a router to play with, this one did not have L2TP protocol dialer, so I called Barak and IMMEDIATELY they switched me to PPTP. That did not help because when the router dialed with PPTP it needed a static IP. I went and replaced it with switch-router that had L2TP (BTW, there are at least 2 switch-routers under 300 NIS that have both L2TP and PPTP dialers, and can get their IP by DHCP). I called Barak again and asked to return me to the L2TP protocol, the support guy convinced me that PPTP is better and helped me configure it (on a Windoz XP, just to be sure that it works). After that I configured the router and now everything works fine. I have some conclusions: 1. Call the support at about 8:00 in the morning, at that hour they are not busy and have all the time to be with you. NEVER, NEVER call in the evening if you can. 2. Ask/request from the support only what they SURLY knows (how to use PPTP from the Windows machine, not how to configure the router or a Mac/Linux) 3. Don't abandon your old connection to the Internet until the new one works (I had both Cable and phone ADSL for a week). 4. Sometimes (may be most of the time) It is cheaper to work around a problem than to solve it in its original framework (in this case - an external dialer for Linux instead of an internal software dialer, although I KNOW there are L2TP/PPTP dialers for Linux - just google for PPTP linux and L2TP linux). 5. As Yehoram Ben-Yaacov said - Don't waste time on getting mad on ... Think what is the best way for you to live with it. Ehud
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On Wednesday 10 December 2003 11:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 6. Another option is to get a xDSL router. It will do all the dialup NAT FW work for you. This way the changes in your home network are minors. It may not work. Be very careful when you purchase such router. The stores are full with Edimax routers that DO NOT WORK with cable Internet Israeli edition for some very simple reason - their configuration possibilities are very limited. They allow you to choose either DHCP or PPTP, but not BOTH and, of course, not one above another. Purchasing such a router for my small home network of 2 PCs plus me being extremely bored of seeing a lot of unrequested martian packets travelling freely along the DHCP-driven circle, or Windows XP connecting through shared connection of another cable user and not via lawful PPTP connection, finally made me to switch to ADSL. Surprise, surprise - the router works almost perfectly ( it needs to be reset sometimes, after prolonged use of p2p programs that create a lot of connections). Best Regards Yehoram Ben-Yaacov -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:56:12 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 10 December 2003 11:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 6. Another option is to get a xDSL router. It will do all the dialup NAT FW work for you. This way the changes in your home network are minors. It may not work. Be very careful when you purchase such router. The stores are full with Edimax routers that DO NOT WORK with cable Internet Israeli edition for some very simple reason - their configuration possibilities are very limited. They allow you to choose either DHCP or PPTP, but not BOTH and, of course, not one above another. That depends on the router. I bought a very cheap Edimax (6104 K) for less then 250 NIS. It has both L2TP and PPTP with dynamic IP (i.e. a DHCP client). So far, it works flawlessly (I'm connected through it to a Cable modem). It also has a special support for BEZEQ-Israel. Its operation as a switch are less satisfactory (I just tested it and its throughput is less than 20 Mbits on 100 Mbits connections). Ehud. - -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: use http://www.keyserver.net/ to get my key (and others) iD8DBQE/13snLFvTvpjqOY0RArPUAJ49QOjf0pR/RNJYa7pKG7cKEw5egQCghxeu Xds39KKy3f3G2HVxP5eSykI= =QJCr -END PGP SIGNATURE- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 21:59, Ehud Karni wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:56:12 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may not work. Be very careful when you purchase such router. The stores are full with Edimax routers that DO NOT WORK with cable Internet Israeli edition for some very simple reason - their configuration possibilities are very limited. They allow you to choose either DHCP or PPTP, but not BOTH and, of course, not one above another. That depends on the router. I bought a very cheap Edimax (6104 K) for less then 250 NIS. It has both L2TP and PPTP with dynamic IP (i.e. a DHCP client). So far, it works flawlessly (I'm connected through it to a Cable modem). It also has a special support for BEZEQ-Israel. I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either this or that. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 00:33, Shaul Karl wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote: move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). I want to know if this is the case. I hope that I am not the only one. Netvision (or any other ISP accept Actcom) does not give static IPs. What they can give you is static IP in cables network (actually they will tell you to talk to cable company to do that). The idea behind static IP (actually, just VERY long DHCP lease) is to make dumb home routers, that do not have DHCP+PPTP functionality, connect through PPTP. In any case, you can connect to Netvision using either PPTP or L2TP protocol. Guy -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 08:27, Michael Sternberg wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Fruehauf Sent: Tue, December 09, 2003 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it... ... ... beware of the evil 012 ... ... Strange. I'm connected to 012 via MATAV cables and happily use Linux with IP received via DHCP. Maybe it depends on the geographic area (Haifa) ? More than that - MATAV supplied modem that capable of providing network via NIC and via USB. And if I connect both - I receive two valid IPs via DHCP.. Only at Matav and only when your ISP does not force the use of dialer (aka you connect using DHCP). And you are limited to 3 public IP addresses, but those can turn to be in different subnets. Guy -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 10:00, Shachar Shemesh wrote: [snip] When you connect to the internet, you get an IP. The IP is marked, at the ISP's side, as belonging to you. If that IP address does something bad, it's your door the police are going to be knocking down on. Now, how possible is it going to be for you to claim that this does not prove anything? You could hire my services, which is not a bad thing in and on itself, but does not guarentee that the trial is going to go your way. Hint: cable modem MAC address which can be easily tracked. Personally, I'd rather not even start. Shachar -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
Guy Teverovsky wrote: Hint: cable modem MAC address which can be easily tracked. And forged, therefore proving nothing, as far as I can tell. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 22:53, Ehud Karni wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:15:02 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either this or that. May be mine is different/newer ? I attach the PPTP configuration page (General Setup -- WAN (select PPTP) -- More Configuration). I'm not able to read your attachment. Which format is that? Ehud. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 22:53, Ehud Karni wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:15:02 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either this or that. May be mine is different/newer ? I attach the PPTP configuration page (General Setup -- WAN (select PPTP) -- More Configuration). OK, I've read it. Your router is definitely newer and better. Ehud. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 22:15, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: [snip] I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either this or that. You can't. What you can do is to call your Cable company and ask for static IP in cables network (172.bla.bla.bla). After that, configure your router according to this guide: http://www.netguru.co.il/files/manuals/edimax/edimax.pdf (sorry boys and girls, I have only Hebrew version) Check the second part about configuring the router. The first part talks about setting you Windows box so it can connect to the router web interface. Cheers, Guy -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote: In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for AFAIK, they've long since stopped using that scheme. Here's how it used to work: By cooperating with your cable company, they made the cable company's DHCP server allocate your computer a _real_ Internet IP address, in the 012.net IP block. You were recognized as an legible 012.net subscriber by your cable modem's MAC address (yes, their side can match the cable modem's MAC for requests coming from your PC). This way, you connect to the Internet without any tunnels (VPNs). But anyway, they don't offer it for new customers. The connection was done via some kind of a dialer that uses L2TP. I bet they offer a PPTP as well. Dialing thru PPTP with Linux is a piece of cake. Pretty much the same as dialing with PPTP thru an ADSL modem. Unconcerned i dialed 012 again, asking them how can i connect with the method promised to me - dhcp. what i mainly got was some lame excuses, and that i should connect with a dialer and that connecting via DHCP is deprecated (one of their excuses was that it is unstable and insecure). Not getting into details, it is probably possible to connect via linux to 012, but why should we? - when other isps give you your DHCP without arguing... 012.net is one of the few who ever implemented this no-tunnel scheme. My ISP, NetVision, offers a PPTP server. I doubt their dialer does anything special. Just ask them for a PPTP server address and use pptp-client to connect to it. I suggest you to use my wrapper script for pptp-client, which takes care of adding the required route: http://iglu.org.il/~future/pptp-routed we dont care, they are probably very few... First of all, they should work on their customer relation skills. But it's good to cut through the bullshit and know their attitude upfront. I think it mostly indicates that their support is unprofessional, since they couldn't figure out that what you need are the raw technical details: what server the dialer users etc. which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn about him or his convienience? ;/ Those support lines are simply full of unskilled monkeys. The question remains whether you can escalate your issue to someone skilled. With Arutzei Zahav's support, for example, I found it impossible. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 23:38, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote: In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for AFAIK, they've long since stopped using that scheme. Here's how it used to work: By cooperating with your cable company, they made the cable company's DHCP server allocate your computer a _real_ Internet IP address, in the 012.net IP block. You were recognized as an legible 012.net subscriber by your cable modem's MAC address (yes, their side can match the cable modem's MAC for requests coming from your PC). This way, you connect to the Internet without any tunnels (VPNs). But anyway, they don't offer it for new customers. The connection was done via some kind of a dialer that uses L2TP. I bet they offer a PPTP as well. Dialing thru PPTP with Linux is a piece of cake. Pretty much the same as dialing with PPTP thru an ADSL modem. Unconcerned i dialed 012 again, asking them how can i connect with the method promised to me - dhcp. what i mainly got was some lame excuses, and that i should connect with a dialer and that connecting via DHCP is deprecated (one of their excuses was that it is unstable and insecure). Not getting into details, it is probably possible to connect via linux to 012, but why should we? - when other isps give you your DHCP without arguing... 012.net is one of the few who ever implemented this no-tunnel scheme. My ISP, NetVision, offers a PPTP server. I doubt their dialer does anything special. Just ask them for a PPTP server address and use pptp-client to connect to it. I suggest you to use my wrapper script for pptp-client, which takes care of adding the required route: http://iglu.org.il/~future/pptp-routed we dont care, they are probably very few... First of all, they should work on their customer relation skills. But it's good to cut through the bullshit and know their attitude upfront. I think it mostly indicates that their support is unprofessional, since they couldn't figure out that what you need are the raw technical details: what server the dialer users etc. which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn about him or his convienience? ;/ Those support lines are simply full of unskilled monkeys. The question remains whether you can escalate your issue to someone skilled. With Arutzei Zahav's support, for example, I found it impossible. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To sum it all, i disconnected from 012 this morning, knowing their support was unprofessional, and yeah - i know they are monkeys, i didnt expect more - just a dhcp connection. Unfortunately netvision misled me with the static ip idea, they give you a static IP in the UBR (aka the AZTV lan), and then you can run a tunnel on it. not anything close to static ip. but what made me sign with netvision was the fact that they supported linux, and some people knew their linux, ofcourse they told me that slackware is not supported, yada yada yada. i took some 30 minutes for thinking, and asking some other people. when i was sure i could connect through them, i signed, connected, and surprisingly, there were no problems at all. and like Ilya mentioned - pptp in linux is easy as hell. Netvision provided me with their so called script that connects you, and a pptp client. All in all, i stayed with netvision because they cared about their linux users, that's about it. as for 012 - i think that they lost me pretty quick just because they have a bunch of dorks in their support teams. i sum it that it is possible to connect through a dialer with aztv + nv, and that nv will care for you if youre using linux, unlike 012 or probably other isps. Cheers. -- Dan Fruehauf. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 23:25, Guy Teverovsky wrote: On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 22:15, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: [snip] I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either this or that. You can't. What you can do is to call your Cable company and ask for static IP in cables network (172.bla.bla.bla). After that, configure your router according to this guide: http://www.netguru.co.il/files/manuals/edimax/edimax.pdf (sorry boys and girls, I have only Hebrew version) Thanks, but as I've written in some previous message, I'm now back to ADSL. Cheers, Guy -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 23:38, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote: In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for AFAIK, they've long since stopped using that scheme. Here's how it used to work: By cooperating with your cable company, they made the cable company's DHCP server allocate your computer a _real_ Internet IP address, in the 012.net IP block. You were recognized as an legible 012.net subscriber by your cable modem's MAC address (yes, their side can match the cable modem's MAC for requests coming from your PC). This way, you connect to the Internet without any tunnels (VPNs). As discussed previously on this list, the VPN way makes it a lot easier for the ISPs to disconnect users. So to say, radical method of bandwidth management. My ISP, NetVision, offers a PPTP server. And they even claim to support Linux users, although it's pretty hard to catch their Linux support guys, as they are rare and there is no Linux guy for each and every shift. I doubt their dialer does anything special. Just ask them for a PPTP server address and use pptp-client to connect to it. It doesn't. It just creates a new connection. You have to click this connection icon to get connected. I suggest you to use my wrapper script for pptp-client, which takes care of adding the required route: http://iglu.org.il/~future/pptp-routed we dont care, they are probably very few... First of all, they should work on their customer relation skills. But it's good to cut through the bullshit and know their attitude upfront. I think it mostly indicates that their support is unprofessional, since they couldn't figure out that what you need are the raw technical details: what server the dialer users etc. which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn about him or his convienience? ;/ Those support lines are simply full of unskilled monkeys. For they are cheap. And for the vast majority of the situations people call the support in, even their skills + some typical cases' description hanging on the wall are more than sufficient. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Thursday 11 December 2003 00:08, Dan Fruehauf wrote: but what made me sign with netvision was the fact that they supported linux, and some people knew their linux, ofcourse they told me that slackware is not supported, yada yada yada. i took some 30 minutes for thinking, and asking some other people. when i was sure i could connect through them, i signed, connected, and surprisingly, there were no problems at all. and like Ilya mentioned - pptp in linux is easy as hell. Netvision provided me with their so called script that connects you, and a pptp client. All in all, i stayed with netvision because they cared about their linux users, that's about it. as for 012 - i think that they lost me pretty quick just because they have a bunch of dorks in their support teams. i sum it that it is possible to connect through a dialer with aztv + nv, and that nv will care for you if youre using linux, unlike 012 or probably other isps. Cheers. Good luck. But be aware of one thing with Netvision - they claim supporting CONNECTION with Linux BUT NO FURTHER. Once you are connected, it's your own problem if you are not able to browse, or to get e-mails. Once, upon experiencing some problems with getting e-mais ( authentication problem or something like that ), I called their support. Of course, the very first answer I've got from their support monkey was the usual no support for Linux. I rebooted to Windows, and of course, the problem was there. The guy claimed that he had had no problem to connect to my e-mail account from his own workstation, so I asked him whether he knew of some problem with their mail server regarding cable users. He insisted that their mail server was all right and that the problem was at mine. All that was left for me, was to ask him to transfer the call to a Linux guy. Fortunately, there was a Linux guy in this shift. As soon as I started to describe the problem to him, he immediately told me that there indeed had been some problem with their mail server, and that they had been taking care of it. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:08:12AM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote: but what made me sign with netvision was the fact that they supported linux, and some people knew their linux, ofcourse they told me that slackware is not supported, yada yada yada. According to my one or at most 2 short sessions with them, which also took part a very long time ago, they were willing to support KDE and maybe Gnome, but not plain editing of configuration files. That is, they were willing to tell me where to click the mouse, provided I had KDE. One reason for this might be that configuration files tend to be a bit or maybe a lot distribution dependant. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw (sent by shaulk @ actcom . net . il) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote their sales, but in short, you pay them, and they give you broadband internet access, in a low price. In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for the name of the person that helped me with that, i got cables installed today and after the basic installation the technition showed me how to connect using WindowsXP (yuck.). The connection was done via some kind of a dialer that uses L2TP. Unconcerned i dialed 012 again, asking them how can i connect with the method promised to me - dhcp. what i mainly got was some lame excuses, and that i should connect with a dialer and that connecting via DHCP is deprecated (one of their excuses was that it is unstable and insecure). Not getting into details, it is probably possible to connect via linux to 012, but why should we? - when other isps give you your DHCP without arguing... While writing this email, i didnt disconnect from 012, but i'm willing to, mainly because one of the comments i got from their support, translating to english it was something in the form of : hey, if you disable DHCP access and move everybody to dialers and such, people not using windows will be unable to connect through you, it might be even 10% of your users we dont care, they are probably very few... About promising me DHCP... just because i didnt write the name of the helpdesk dude that told me it's DHCP, i half way lost my 012 DHCP access, and besides, which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn about him or his convienience? ;/ My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). Take care. -- Dan Fruehauf. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). I use bezeqint, cause they let me horat keva, everyone else seems to use credit cards only. And it was a no brainer with linux, the price ain't so great though. And cable is quicker than adsl was. Aaron Take care. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
You could use pptp dialer. Should work. You might consider checking http://www.iarc/org/~ezaton/cables and read a lecture I wrote there. The lecture (as well as the explenations) are relevant to Actcom, but you could find that by changing only a little bit, you can connect to any other ISP in Israel. Ez. On Tuesday 09 December 2003 23:24, Aaron wrote: My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). I use bezeqint, cause they let me horat keva, everyone else seems to use credit cards only. And it was a no brainer with linux, the price ain't so great though. And cable is quicker than adsl was. Aaron Take care. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
I use bezeqint, cause they let me horat keva, everyone else seems to use credit cards only. Something new... I've succeeded to continue using horaat keva for around 6.5 years, my ISP being Netvision. And it was a no brainer with linux, the price ain't so great though. And cable is quicker than adsl was. You bet. For me, it was exactly the other way around. It seems to depend on ISP. Aaron Take care. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
Dan Fruehauf wrote: Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote their sales, but in short, you pay them, and they give you broadband internet access, in a low price. In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for the name of the person that helped me with that, i got cables installed today and after the basic installation the technition showed me how to connect using WindowsXP (yuck.). The connection was done via some kind of a dialer that uses L2TP. Unconcerned i dialed 012 again, asking them how can i connect with the method promised to me - dhcp. what i mainly got was some lame excuses, and that i should connect with a dialer and that connecting via DHCP is deprecated (one of their excuses was that it is unstable and insecure). Not getting into details, it is probably possible to connect via linux to 012, but why should we? - when other isps give you your DHCP without arguing... While writing this email, i didnt disconnect from 012, but i'm willing to, mainly because one of the comments i got from their support, translating to english it was something in the form of : hey, if you disable DHCP access and move everybody to dialers and such, people not using windows will be unable to connect through you, it might be even 10% of your users we dont care, they are probably very few... About promising me DHCP... just because i didnt write the name of the helpdesk dude that told me it's DHCP, i half way lost my 012 DHCP access, and besides, which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn about him or his convienience? ;/ Be careful with that. Don't disconnect until you have the other one set up and running. In particular, I heared rumours that Netvision does not allow DHCP cable connections at all (not sure about those). In any case, try to get 012's support to connect your linux machine instead. They officially support Linux (though, whether they do so in practice is a question currently unanswered. I know that the person behind their Linux support has left the comapny. I am BCCing her on this mail, in case she has anything intelligent to add to the conversation). I should also warn you to beware of Netvision's Linux cable support. It is unproffesional at best. While their Linux support personnel does know some Linux, he keeps falling to the pitfalls you and me would fall into if we tried to do it by hand. Lastly, reconsider whether you really want to use DHCP to connect. This means your username and password are not checked, and you are authenticated based on. your network card's MAC address. Yes, that's right. My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). Take care. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consulting Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Tuesday 09 December 2003 23:07, Dan Fruehauf wrote: Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. While writing this email, i didnt disconnect from 012, but i'm willing to, mainly because one of the comments i got from their support, translating to english it was something in the form of : hey, if you disable DHCP access and move everybody to dialers and such, people not using windows will be unable to connect through you, it might be even 10% of your users we dont care, they are probably very few... Unfortunately I'm not surprised. when I first got an ISDN line (about 3 years ago) I bought an account with 012.net. I still don't know why, but I could never connect to them - after authentication all I got on the line was errors. Unfazed I called 012 tech support at which time they specifically told me, in not so many words, that I can go look where the sun doesn't shine as they don't support Linux, has no intention to support Linux, don't really care about Linux users and I can forget about getting my money back and I still owe them the next 2 months' fees as I signed a 3 month service commitment. My conclusion after this was - never do business with 012. Other ISPs on my not getting any more money from me list are: * Barak - blamed me for stealling bandwidth after they disconnected my 2B ISDN line which was running over a year w/o problems. * Internet Zahav - have sucky tech support and specifically told me they only provider support for windows users and only for web browsing problems when I called with remote access problems. they also have a badly configured transparent proxy. * Netvision - unilaterally changed the pricing program for a friend of mine (to the more expensive one of course), and I know for a fact that they tend to do this often. for example - they offer an ADSL bundle in which they buy the ADSL line which then belongs to them and they won't turn it over to the client when she wants to move to another ISP. * BezeqInt - part of the Evil Empire from Hell(tm). in the past I had problems with their tech support but I'm told they are much better now. -- Oded = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote: move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). I want to know if this is the case. I hope that I am not the only one. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw (sent by shaulk @ actcom . net . il) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
Dan Fruehauf wrote: My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). Don't! Netvision has promised me a static IP for almost two years (I got cable 1 week after opening day) and they have never been able to deliver. What 012 wants you to do is to connect to the cable network with DHCP and then tunnel to them. I don't know which protocol they use, but I have had good luck using pptp with netvision. Many of us have dailers called cablestart. Someone posted one here and they sort of grew from that. Hints: If you have more than one computer set up your own name server, and make sure ALL your MTUs are small enough to fit the tunnel, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 972-54-608-069 Icq/AIM Uin: 2661079 MSN IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Not for email) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Fruehauf Sent: Tue, December 09, 2003 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it... ... ... beware of the evil 012 ... ... Strange. I'm connected to 012 via MATAV cables and happily use Linux with IP received via DHCP. Maybe it depends on the geographic area (Haifa) ? More than that - MATAV supplied modem that capable of providing network via NIC and via USB. And if I connect both - I receive two valid IPs via DHCP.. -- Michael = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cable Internet Disconnects - The Saga Continues...
Hi All, My Cable Internet continues to disconnect randomally. I am all lost of ideas. I am connected through Matav Digital to NetVision, using a Terayon TJ715X cable modem. The link to the Cable company seems to be OK all the time. It is probably a problem with my config. I am using the NetVision script. I have noticed the computer disconnects randomally. I couldn't find the problem. Then I brought down the Network Service. and I noticed something interesting: I the lo device (loopback) is down, the connection is stable (I dear say, it even solves the problem) but then my Linux box seems to be even slower than it already is (Intel Celeron 850, 128 RAM, MDK 9.1 Kernel2.4.21-0.13mdk)... Of course, I need the lo device up, but how can I check what's the matter with it? Any ideas ? Thanks, Amichai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet Disconnects - The Saga Continues...
Hmm, interesting. What do your routing table look like? Do you see anything in the system logs? Are you running stuff which manipulates them dynamically? What's connecting your Linux to the modem? Ethernet? --Amos Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi All, My Cable Internet continues to disconnect randomally. I am all lost of ideas. I am connected through Matav Digital to NetVision, using a Terayon TJ715X cable modem. The link to the Cable company seems to be OK all the time. It is probably a problem with my config. I am using the NetVision script. I have noticed the computer disconnects randomally. I couldn't find the problem. Then I brought down the Network Service. and I noticed something interesting: I the lo device (loopback) is down, the connection is stable (I dear say, it even solves the problem) but then my Linux box seems to be even slower than it already is (Intel Celeron 850, 128 RAM, MDK 9.1 Kernel2.4.21-0.13mdk)... Of course, I need the lo device up, but how can I check what's the matter with it? Any ideas ? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mysterious Disconnects with Cable Internet
We've been through a similar discussion and people back then also suggested the ping method. I wonder what's wrong with maxfail 0+persist? It works for me for a few months now (not that my line is flaky, but I noticed that if and when it fails the line gets recovered without my intervention. I suppose it wouldn't cover the case of a crashed pppd, oh well. --Amos Chaim Keren Tzion wrote: Does eth0 go down or does the connection just cease? You could write a script that would ping some machine and resart the connection or bring up the interface if the ping doesn't answer. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mysterious Disconnects with Cable Internet
Hi All, I have a cable connection to the Net (almost) always. Every day, about the afternoon or evening, it disconnects. I do not know where and what to look for? Which log file could give me a hint about the prob? Thanks, Amichai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mysterious Disconnects with Cable Internet
Does eth0 go down or does the connection just cease? You could write a script that would ping some machine and resart the connection or bring up the interface if the ping doesn't answer. -- Chaim Keren Tzion | [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. : Quoting Amichai Rotman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All, I have a cable connection to the Net (almost) always. Every day, about the afternoon or evening, it disconnects. I do not know where and what to look for? Which log file could give me a hint about the prob? Thanks, Amichai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mysterious Disconnects with Cable Internet
Chaim Keren Tzion wrote: Does eth0 go down or does the connection just cease? You could write a script that would ping some machine and resart the connection or bring up the interface if the ping doesn't answer. I had the same problem. I believe that there is some mistic connection between the weird disconnections and usage of NMAP. Might it be something to do with the upstream bandwidth? regards Boris. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
On Saturday 21 June 2003 19:58, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi Clan, I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem: Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the following contents: # cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.101.101 192.168.101.101 is an internal nameserver used in cable providers' internal networks. It is assigned by the DHCP client and is intended to br overwritten by pppd later on. If you do not want dhcpcd to I then have to copy the /etc/ppp/resolv.conf to /etc and all works... How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs, but found nothing... Thanks, Amichai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail was checked for viruses by Romat email server -- Mix Sella (well, not really but hey) This mail was checked for viruses by Romat email server = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
On Saturday 21 June 2003 21:14, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Guy Cohen wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:58:26PM +0300, Amichai Rotman wrote: How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs, Use common sense... If that happen *after* you run a script... What can cause that.. hmm Not a very good lead, in this case. The script does not alter /etc/resolv.conf directly. It does call pppd, which may update this file itself, I guess. Looking at the logs, it is clearly visible that the right DNS servers are handed with pppd. I am out of ideas as for why it pushes that name. I'll add that I'm remotely administrating the machine that happens on. This means I cannot recheck this, as I'll lose the IP it currently uses. Any good dynamic DNS howtos around? Again. There are precisely two places that deal with resolv.conf: 1) Your dhcpcd that periodically renews leases. Yes, it's stupid. As I told before, I use -R command line option to prevent dhcpcd from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf 2) pppd's ip-up and ip-down *or* pppd itself. See usepeerdns options of pppd and distro-specific script variables. Shachar -- Mix Sella (well, not really but hey) This mail was checked for viruses by Romat email server = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
Mix Sella wrote: Again. There are precisely two places that deal with resolv.conf: 1) Your dhcpcd that periodically renews leases. Yes, it's stupid. As I told before, I use -R command line option to prevent dhcpcd from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf The problem is that I'm not using dhcpcd. I'm using dhcp-client (dhclient). It does not appear to have such an option. I'll migrate to dhcpcd and see whether that helps. 2) pppd's ip-up and ip-down *or* pppd itself. See usepeerdns options of pppd and distro-specific script variables. Yes, but we actually WANT them to overwrite resolv.conf (maybe adding loopback also, under some circumstances). Shachar Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
On Sunday 22 June 2003 10:07, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Mix Sella wrote: Again. There are precisely two places that deal with resolv.conf: 1) Your dhcpcd that periodically renews leases. Yes, it's stupid. As I told before, I use -R command line option to prevent dhcpcd from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf The problem is that I'm not using dhcpcd. I'm using dhcp-client (dhclient). It does not appear to have such an option. I'll migrate to dhcpcd and see whether that helps. Duh, sucks. Well, I use Gentoo now. Comes pre-loaded with right choices :) 2) pppd's ip-up and ip-down *or* pppd itself. See usepeerdns options of pppd and distro-specific script variables. Yes, but we actually WANT them to overwrite resolv.conf (maybe adding loopback also, under some circumstances). To my experience with our sweetheart ISPs probably the best god damn thing one could come up with is to put the ISP's DNS servers to resolv.conf, add one backup address (I use NV's 194.90.1.5) and leave it alone. ISPs are known to produce... interesting results with PPP from time to time. Shachar Shachar -- Mix Sella (well, not really but hey) This mail was checked for viruses by Romat email server = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 10:07:08AM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Mix Sella wrote: Again. There are precisely two places that deal with resolv.conf: 1) Your dhcpcd that periodically renews leases. Yes, it's stupid. As I told before, I use -R command line option to prevent dhcpcd from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf The problem is that I'm not using dhcpcd. I'm using dhcp-client (dhclient). It does not appear to have such an option. I'll migrate to dhcpcd and see whether that helps. I'm using dhclient3 . I assume dhclient[2] is quite similar. in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script the function make_resolv_conf indeed seems quite hardwierd. However editing this file is easy (simply override this function). Though according to the dhcp distro (and maybe also the debian policy you're not supposed to edit this script... BTW: debian also comes with pump (and even the pathetic udhcpc). But I couldn't find dhcpcd or dhcpxd (anybody using it?). -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:48:54PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script the function make_resolv_conf indeed seems quite hardwierd. However editing this file is easy (simply override this function). Though according to the dhcp distro (and maybe also the debian policy you're not supposed to edit this script... I am not aware of any limitation for editing it as far as policy is concerned. On the contrary. The fact that it is under /etc might suggests that it is under the local admin control. I believe that once it was placed in /etc it is more a matter of FHS then debian policy. As for the policy, it requires that Configuration file handling must conform to the following behavior: * local changes must be preserved during a package upgrade, and * configuration files must be preserved when the package is removed, and only deleted when the package is purged. (section 11.7.3, Behavior) Yet the dhcp software itself might have more restricted expectations. BTW: debian also comes with pump (and even the pathetic udhcpc). But I couldn't find dhcpcd or dhcpxd (anybody using it?). I can see dhcpcd at http://packages.debian.org/dhcpcd . Where did you find dhcpxd? -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
On Sunday 22 June 2003 16:41, Shaul Karl wrote: I am not aware of any limitation for editing it as far as policy is concerned. On the contrary. The fact that it is under /etc might policy or no policy - the bottom line is that when you upgrade the package it will (or supposed to) notice that you touched the file and put aside one of the versions and you'll have to merge your changes into the new version. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but it better be avoided for the sake of the admin's sanity. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cable Internet DNS Problem
Hi Clan, I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem: Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the following contents: # cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.101.101 I then have to copy the /etc/ppp/resolv.conf to /etc and all works... How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs, but found nothing... Thanks, Amichai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:58:26PM +0300, Amichai Rotman wrote: How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs, Use common sense... If that happen *after* you run a script... What can cause that.. hmm Thanks, Amichai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.uadm.com | Local and Remote Unix/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Administration. No outsourcing. Phone: +972 3 6201373 | Security, Installations, Support http://www.uadm.com/gpg.key | Upgrades and Maintenance. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi Clan, I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem: Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the following contents: # cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.101.101 I then have to copy the /etc/ppp/resolv.conf to /etc and all works... How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs, but found nothing... Thanks, Amichai. I get the exact same syndrom on a friend's computer.. I THINK it is something to do with netvision's advertised DNSes. I'll have a look. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
Guy Cohen wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:58:26PM +0300, Amichai Rotman wrote: How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs, Use common sense... If that happen *after* you run a script... What can cause that.. hmm Not a very good lead, in this case. The script does not alter /etc/resolv.conf directly. It does call pppd, which may update this file itself, I guess. Looking at the logs, it is clearly visible that the right DNS servers are handed with pppd. I am out of ideas as for why it pushes that name. I'll add that I'm remotely administrating the machine that happens on. This means I cannot recheck this, as I'll lose the IP it currently uses. Any good dynamic DNS howtos around? Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
Simple. Does any one of your network cards uses DHCP to get its IP address? If it does, then the DHCP server may also change the DNS settings, hence, the resolv.conf changes. (My Internet connection script, also restores the old resolv.conf after I connect to the ISP) -- Take care, Gilboa Davara XML - Systems Israel. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 972 - 054 968 909 On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 19:58, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi Clan, I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem: Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the following contents: # cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.101.101 I then have to copy the /etc/ppp/resolv.conf to /etc and all works... How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs, but found nothing... Thanks, Amichai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi Clan, I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem: Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the following contents: Hello Amichai you're problem sounds like you're mandrake is configured to use the - use_peer_dns flag in ppp that uses whatever the peer decides to give you out. more info about this can be found in the ppp manual. regards - Lior Kesos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
I have a similar symptom on my machine. Debian, Cables (actcom) (forgot anythign important?). On my machine, after a connection is made, /etc/resolve.conf is being written nicely and all a-o.k. . BUT, after I've some time, when connection time exceedded ~12h, I have noticed it have fallen. A more carefull debugging showed that at the same time the dhcp-client made some refresh request. Well, it's request (DHCPREQUEST) apperantely succedded (DHCPACK), but it also includes rewriting the /etc/resolve.conf automatically... . My solution was incorporated in a bigger problem its solution. I have a script running as a deamon which makes sure the internet connection is up (cause it does go down, once in a while). I've incorporated a check, running once in a minute, that checks the validity of the /etc/resolve.conf file, and rewrites it with valid data, is it's invalid. Obviously, if this is the reason for your machine misbehave (and it seems very related, the invalid DNS entry in my resolve.conf is the same as yours), you might be able to config the dhcp-client NOT to voerwrite resolve.conf, but I haven't checked this. The solution above works like charm to me, Boaz. Shachar Shemesh wrote: Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi Clan, I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem: Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the following contents: # cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.101.101 I then have to copy the /etc/ppp/resolv.conf to /etc and all works... How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs, but found nothing... Thanks, Amichai. I get the exact same syndrom on a friend's computer.. I THINK it is something to do with netvision's advertised DNSes. I'll have a look. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
Boaz Rymland wrote: I have a similar symptom on my machine. Debian, Cables (actcom) (forgot anythign important?). On my machine, after a connection is made, /etc/resolve.conf is being written nicely and all a-o.k. . BUT, after I've some time, when connection time exceedded ~12h, I have noticed it have fallen. A more carefull debugging showed that at the same time the dhcp-client made some refresh request. Well, it's request (DHCPREQUEST) apperantely succedded (DHCPACK), but it also includes rewriting the /etc/resolve.conf automatically... . My solution was incorporated in a bigger problem its solution. I have a script running as a deamon which makes sure the internet connection is up (cause it does go down, once in a while). I've incorporated a check, running once in a minute, that checks the validity of the /etc/resolve.conf file, and rewrites it with valid data, is it's invalid. Obviously, if this is the reason for your machine misbehave (and it seems very related, the invalid DNS entry in my resolve.conf is the same as yours), you might be able to config the dhcp-client NOT to voerwrite resolve.conf, but I haven't checked this. The solution above works like charm to me, Boaz. Except that it is an ugly patch. You did find the core of the problem, however. With some cable modems, you first get an IP from the cable modem by DHCP, and then overwrite that from the IP you get from pppd. When the DHCP client wishes to renew it's lease, it overwrites the pppd resolv.conf with the one it gets from the modem, which is obviously wrong. So now we only get to the solution - is there any way to configure DHCP client to ignore the DNS settings from the DHCP server? Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
Boaz Rymland wrote: I have a similar symptom on my machine. Debian, Cables (actcom) (forgot anythign important?). On my machine, after a connection is made, /etc/resolve.conf is being written nicely and all a-o.k. . BUT, after I've some time, when connection time exceedded ~12h, I have noticed it have fallen. A more carefull debugging showed that at the same time the dhcp-client made some refresh request. Well, it's request (DHCPREQUEST) apperantely succedded (DHCPACK), but it also includes rewriting the /etc/resolve.conf automatically... . My solution was incorporated in a bigger problem its solution. I have a script running as a deamon which makes sure the internet connection is up (cause it does go down, once in a while). I've incorporated a check, running once in a minute, that checks the validity of the /etc/resolve.conf file, and rewrites it with valid data, is it's invalid. Obviously, if this is the reason for your machine misbehave (and it seems very related, the invalid DNS entry in my resolve.conf is the same as yours), you might be able to config the dhcp-client NOT to voerwrite resolve.conf, but I haven't checked this. The solution above works like charm to me, Boaz. Ok, still not perfect, but better than nothing. Try adding supersede domain-name-server 194.90.1.5, 212.143.212.143; to /etc/dhclient.conf. These are the right values for netvision. For other ISPs, use the respective values. You can find out your ISPs values by looking at the syslog file, and looking for pppd invocations. It will have lines with the correct DNS values. Warning - this has not been tried out, yet. Please let me know if it works, as I have no way of testing that at the moment. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
Except that it is an ugly patch. You did find the core of the problem, however. Ugly indeed, I must agree. Linux gives you the power to find and correct the problem, not so with the time nessecarry to do so... . So now we only get to the solution - is there any way to configure DHCP client to ignore the DNS settings from the DHCP server? Right. Lior Kesos has pointed a similar option used by the pppd. I wont have time today looking further for doing the same with the dhcp client config (tests, tests...), but I would have started from there (a similar option for dchp-client). Boaz. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet DNS Problem
As I have a local caching DNS server which uses my ISP DNS servers as forwarders and I do not want the resolve.conf (which points to my DNS) to be overwritten, I just did: chattr +i /etc/resolve.conf Guy On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 23:36, Boaz Rymland wrote: Except that it is an ugly patch. You did find the core of the problem, however. Ugly indeed, I must agree. Linux gives you the power to find and correct the problem, not so with the time nessecarry to do so... . So now we only get to the solution - is there any way to configure DHCP client to ignore the DNS settings from the DHCP server? Right. Lior Kesos has pointed a similar option used by the pppd. I wont have time today looking further for doing the same with the dhcp client config (tests, tests...), but I would have started from there (a similar option for dchp-client). Boaz. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
