Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lets have our own Linux Bombay 2002
- Original Message - From: Trevor Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can we afford event management companies...both in terms of Ethically and Financially. Though i WOULD LUV all our events to be VERY PROFESSIONAL in the way they are conducted. I mentioned event management companies because most events I have attended had them. Just a thought. I dont even know how much they charge. If we plan to have it managed by a professional company, I could find out. The advantage would be that there is a strong business support backup. Things like sending out mailers, accepting registrations, collecting cheques and banking them, keeping track of budgets, making sure there are adequate trained personnel at the venue (pretty young girls for ^ Que? Well Saswata... it will be great to have an event management company. But do we yet have the plan to get the money in? We must keep our options open. In fact, I think keeping the venue at IIT may also be bad planning. IIT? then its for techies... and I don't wanna go. Nehru Centre anyone? Regards, Amol Hatwar. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 ... tentative outline
Please dont plan things so early. Also in February an international level meet is being organized in Kerala by the govt with support from FSF-india. You may better push it to July so that the students who will be working on projects this year will be able to submit their proposals. hmmm thats right. We must take time... even August goes by me. Couple it with Independence day celebrations or something? Regards, Amol Hatwar. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lets have our own Linux Bombay 2002
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:45:13 +0530 Saswata Banerjee Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message -ed. I mentioned event management companies because most events I have attended had them. Just a thought. I dont even know how much they charge. If we plan to have it managed by a professional company, I could find out. [snip] Would appreciate that peice of info from you SB. It will help us streamline our idea/plans. The advantage would be that there is a strong business support backup. Things like sending out mailers, accepting registrations, collecting cheques and banking them, keeping track of budgets, making sure there are adequate trained personnel at the venue (pretty young girls for registrations, giving out the agenda, cds etc. -- every event has them), coording with the venue owners for seating, arrangements, lighting, OHPs, etc. [snip] Your inputs are welcome indeed. Sosince you have been kind enough on taking things forward on those lines could you take the trouble to ge the details from the Event Managers and let us know about the same. We need to start evaluating all our options starting now Luggers. If we dont have an event managemnt company doing the above, then we should have enough infrastructure and support system to do that type of work. I think you are talking of workshops and seminars where a large number of people would come over. [snip] We will work those modalities out, everything depends on the Resources at hand and the Commercial Backing we are able to garner. (Mind you, I am not saying that volunteers from ILUG cannot do it, what I am saying is that there are hundreds of boring jobs which are to be done and these companies do it all the time, so for them it is child's play) [snip] point noted SB...:)). Trevor Regards Saswata ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- ( -GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE - ) /~\__ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) /mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab/ _|_| \___/ ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LinuxWorld Expo Mumbai
Since Microsoft is porting its libraries to Linux, how about inviting them to participate rotfl... maybe a joke... but lets see if we can officially send them an invite! Regards, Amol Hatwar. -- I was like a helpless rabit in front of your beaming headlights ;). ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] NEWS: Gates threatening spirit of freedom -- free software guru
Gates threatening spirit of freedom: free software guru From Indo-Asian News Service New Delhi, Nov 12 (IANS) Microsoft chairman Bill Gates threatens the spirit of freedom, the founder of the free software movement said here even as the world's richest man began a tour of India. Richard Stallman said in the Indian capital Monday evening that Microsoft and Gates -- who arrived here on a four-day visit the same day -- were perpetuating systems that threaten the freedom of computer users. Stallman was in the city to release his book No Sir, No Monopoly! Free Software - A Perspective. Published by Prajashakti publishers, the book was released by B.K. Kcayla, convenor of the national working group on patent laws. Stallman, who has emerged as a symbol against everything that Bill Gates has stood for, is also the founder of the GNU software project out of which has emerged the Linux operating system -- available free or in low-cost software packages. Clad informally, Stallman seemed every inch the man he is reputed to be. After walking to the podium sans his shoes, Stallman said: This is a struggle for freedom and independence. Non-free software, like the ones sold by Microsoft, divides people. It is like not being allowed to share your favourite cooking recipes with your friends. One cannot exchange recipes, one cannot change the cooking nor does one know anything about the ingredients - that is the world of non-free software, developed by Microsoft. It doesn't allow any software to be shared and one has to pay for running these programmes. In India, it would cost an enormous amount and a big drain on resources. Non-free software violates the spirit of goodwill that is so important for human society and civilization. It is akin to the exploitative colonial system. When Bill Gates donates computer systems to schools, it is like gifting cigarettes. It is initially free but when you get hooked you have to pay for it. Non-free software programmes are like that. It will be available free of cost but for a couple of years only. Gates is pledging a large donation to health projects in India through his Bill Melinda Gates Foundation. Said Stallman: Gates is donating a small fraction of what he has squeezed out of computer users. What India should do is to resist against non-free software collectively. The good effects of globalisation can come about only through the use of non-free software, Stallman argued. In India, Linux is used by less than 10 percent of the country's personal computers and server computers. India has an estimated half-million individual software developers. There are an estimated four million PCs in use in India among the nation's billion people. --Indo-Asian News Service ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
hi guys, i have been a member of the list for nearly a year now, but i mostly lurk, just trying to assimilate random bits of Linux-gyan from the more experienced LUGgers the recent posts regarding the Linux - Bombay 2002[3?] prompted me to post though -- especially once the talk began moving towards a 'lets-hire-WizCraft / 360 degrees / ' kind of thread though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... an event management company is fine when it comes to organising events for an audience whose needs are well-understood ---Michael Jackson fans, for eg. --- but i seriously have my own doubts about which event management company would understand the unique needs of a niche community like ours [ hell, we're a lot different from a standard product launch or lecture series, which is the maximum 'software expertise' that most such companies have ] which is why companies like IBM need to have their own in-house event - preparation and - management teams now for the alternative... who says we cant put up a 'professional' event on our own ? all of us have some special skill which we can bring to the table... and most have probably been involved in some sort of event at some level [ organising / volunteering / participating ] it only needs time, and since not many may be able to afford dedicating a burst of time a month before the event, what must happen is that the preliminary details must be hammered out soon -- discussions can be done over mail [ like its already happening ] and concrete steps [ looking at choices of venues, sub-events, etc] can be carried out over weekends of course this is tiring and time consuming but then the best things in life are never handed to anyone on a silver platter apologies again for the rant cheers, Hanisha P.S. : don't worry, even the 'smart-chicks' can be arranged, and we won't even have to fill some super-greedy event-management company's overflowing coffers for it __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] No reply?
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:12:39 +0530 Amol Hatwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, I am traveling and don't have the letter with me now. Can someone put it back on the anvil? And Trevor ? [snip] yeppiedude. Pls give me till today evening. Will get back to you all on the same. I am seriously occupied with tons of stuff. Besides daily marathon meetings.really bog me down. Pls hold on till today evening. Trevor Regards, Amol Hatwar. -- ( -GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE - ) /~\__ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) /mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab/ _|_| \___/ ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
hi guys, i have been a member of the list for nearly a year now, but i mostly lurk, just trying to assimilate random bits of Linux-gyan from the more experienced LUGgers the recent posts regarding the Linux - Bombay 2002[3?] prompted me to post though -- especially once the talk began moving towards a 'lets-hire-WizCraft / 360 degrees / ' kind of thread though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... an event management company is fine when it comes to organising events for an audience whose needs are well-understood ---Michael Jackson fans, for eg. --- but i seriously have my own doubts about which event management company would understand the unique needs of a niche community like ours [ hell, we're a lot different from a standard product launch or lecture series, which is the maximum 'software expertise' that most such companies have ] which is why companies like IBM need to have their own in-house event - preparation and - management teams now for the alternative... who says we cant put up a 'professional' event on our own ? all of us have some special skill which we can bring to the table... and most have probably been involved in some sort of event at some level [ organising / volunteering / participating ] it only needs time, and since not many may be able to afford dedicating a burst of time a month before the event, what must happen is that the preliminary details must be hammered out soon -- discussions can be done over mail [ like its already happening ] and concrete steps [ looking at choices of venues, sub-events, etc] can be carried out over weekends of course this is tiring and time consuming but then the best things in life are never handed to anyone on a silver platter apologies again for the rant cheers, Hanisha P.S. : don't worry, even the 'smart-chicks' can be arranged, and we won't even have to fill some super-greedy event-management company's overflowing coffers for it __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 ... tentative outline
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:52:51 +0530 Nagarjuna G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please dont plan things so early. Also in February an international level meet is being organized in Kerala by the govt with support from FSF-india. You may better push it to July so that the students who will be working on projects this year will be able to submit their proposals. [snip] Hmmyeppie. Seems okie to have to delayed it a bit. But still lets have things planned and ideas flowing. How about March-April.??? Bye for now. Trevor Nagarjuna -- ( -GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE - ) /~\__ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) /mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab/ _|_| \___/ ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
-Original Message- From: Hanisha Vaswani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom? though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... -- -- I totally agree with the above point. By taking care of the logistics ourselves, we will be be able to control and conduct the event better than an event management company. --- --- an event management company is fine when it comes to organising events for an audience whose needs are well-understood ---Michael Jackson fans, for eg. --- but i seriously have my own doubts about which event management company would understand the unique needs of a niche community like ours [ hell, we're a lot different from a standard product launch or lecture series, which is the maximum 'software expertise' that most such companies have ] -- -- Also since this is slightly different event (I am talking about philosophy of free software Vs sell-sell-sell/FUD about others ideology of the corporates of the IT world) corporate events), it would be better if we manage it ourselves and get the message across. - - which is why companies like IBM need to have their own in-house event - preparation and - management teams - - of course this is tiring and time consuming but then the best things in life are never handed to anyone on a silver platter - - But I believe the effort will be worth it. * Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-JUHU. *** ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux Bombay 2003
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:04:49PM +0530, Trevor Warren wrote: Am trying to rope in the IIT - Bombay and ensure greater participation from their end. IIT's all over the country are hubs of propagation of FSF/OS both conceptually/idealogically/practically, which is why they can be made use of to showcase FSF's/OS acceptance. We indeed need IIT's support in this noble cause. Hi. Well, I can informally say that support from IIT should be no problem at all. Prof. Phatak is away, and will be back only tomorrow. He's in Delhi now ( I hope he's not meeting Bill!! ;-) ) Then, we ( me, Sameer, ?? ) will talk to him. And inform you guys. In the mean while, let's keep discussing ( time, focus, etc. ) -- jaju ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 ... tentative outline
Hmmyeppie. Seems okie to have to delayed it a bit. But still lets have things planned and ideas flowing. How about March-April.??? Forgot your exam times dude Trevor ;) he might be a nov -dec player ;) just kidding ... ranjeet ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 03:33:14PM +0550, vinayak wrote: though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... -- -- I totally agree with the above point. By taking care of the logistics ourselves, we will be be able to control and conduct the event better than an event management company. Vinayak, can you please stick to the normal way of using as quote indents when replying? It's damn difficult to read your message out of the blue ... All good email clients know how to handle multiple levels of indentation using different colors and all, but that doesn't work with your replies :-( Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. -- Good news. Ten weeks from Friday will be a pretty good day. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux Bombay 2003
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 03:14:12PM +0530, Trevor Warren wrote: Am waiting for the IIT guys to get back. So lets hope things can move ahead. Jaju...Sameer...ny news..??? Jaju missing ... Dr. Phatak missing as well! Will get back to you as soon as we are able to talk to Dr. Phatak. Sameer. -- MTech Student, Reconfigurable Computing Lab, KReSIT, IIT-Bombay. -- You are dishonest, but never to the point of hurting a friend. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] http://www.rediff.com/money/2002/nov/12gates.htm
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:05:42 +0530 Ravindra Jaju wrote: Oops! And we want to rope in officials for the OSS movement!? Billy dude's agents read Trevor's name in BW and did some research on his background ;-) -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux Bombay 2003
Amish K. Munshi ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.=== On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Ravindra Jaju wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:04:49PM +0530, Trevor Warren wrote: Prof. Phatak is away, and will be back only tomorrow. He's in Delhi now ( I hope he's not meeting Bill!! ;-) ) Then, we ( me, Sameer, ?? ) will talk to him. And inform you guys. I would also like to join you and sameer when you go to speak to him. In the mean while, let's keep discussing ( time, focus, etc. ) ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
i can completely relate to what hanisha is saying. even i was on core teams of my college fest for 3 years and its nto all that difficult . if i were to put it this way, guys within the lug can get better sponsors coz they know the indstruy guys bettr than others. lugmemebers can write better slogans coz we are more passionate abt linux than event managers. as far as logistics is concerned it will require some effort. but then its whole lot of fun too. another thing that i guess will help is organizing some trail runs, something like the Free Dev Net Workshops on a larger scale (eg 2 workshops going on at same time on same place. ) . who knows someday someone from us will start an event management firm that specializes in linux ;) take care harsh --- Hanisha Vaswani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi guys, the recent posts regarding the Linux - Bombay 2002[3?] prompted me to post though -- especially once the talk began moving towards a 'lets-hire-WizCraft / 360 degrees / ' kind of thread though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #677 - 13 msgs
Hi quasi, I am interested in knowing the details of changes you made to linc. But tell me, are you able to connect to Net from multiple OSs (Windows98, Windows2000, Linux, etc). As per the discussion on group its clear now that 24Online Server checks for MAC address. But in my case its same across the OSs. (as shown by sniffer program). Do I need to do0 any extra configuration? Is it possible to change the MAC address? -Kshitij Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:10:05 +0530 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: q u a s i [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 24 Online Clients Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:18 even 11/11/02 +, MiTuL wrote: I have not been able to find any work around yet ..(unless you tell your provider not to lock your MAC address..which i guess he wont do ..atleast my provider doesnt :( ) I am slightly confused as to what 'workaround' you are talking about. For 24online system, atleast, if you use the same NIC then the problem is only with the configuration - it should work on all OS where you can get a client (I know of Win9x/XP GNU/Linux). I am successfully using it Linux with linc. But I had to perform a minor hack on linc for it to work. If anyone is interested I will give details of what I had to do. quasi kshitijv e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Re: Linuxers digest, Vol 1 #677 - 13 msgs
Hi quasi, I am interested in knowing the details of changes you made to linc. But tell me, are you able to connect to Net from multiple OSs (Windows98, Windows2000, Linux, etc). As per the discussion on group its clear now that 24Online Server checks for MAC address. But in my case its same across the OSs. (as shown by sniffer program). Do I need to do0 any extra configuration? Is it possible to change the MAC address? -Kshitij Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:10:05 +0530 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: q u a s i [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] 24 Online Clients Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:18 even 11/11/02 +, MiTuL wrote: I have not been able to find any work around yet ..(unless you tell your provider not to lock your MAC address..which i guess he wont do ..atleast my provider doesnt :( ) I am slightly confused as to what 'workaround' you are talking about. For 24online system, atleast, if you use the same NIC then the problem is only with the configuration - it should work on all OS where you can get a client (I know of Win9x/XP GNU/Linux). I am successfully using it Linux with linc. But I had to perform a minor hack on linc for it to work. If anyone is interested I will give details of what I had to do. quasi kshitijv e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lets have our own Linux Bombay 2002
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:52:20 +0530 Amol Hatwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I think keeping the venue at IIT may also be bad planning. IIT? then its for techies... and I don't wanna go. Nehru Centre anyone? [snip] I totally disagree with the same. IIT is a lovely IDEA if it can be worked out. Wat say jaju...sameer..??? Trevor Regards, Amol Hatwar. -- ( -GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE - ) /~\__ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) /mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab/ _|_| \___/ ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lets have our own Linux Bombay 2002
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:36:24 +0530 Ravindra Jaju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we are going to hightlight the event as mainly an ILUG-Bom Event, [snip] Luggers from Ilug-Bom will be the primary organisers..but i don't want to give rest of India the idea that our event is a local one. So...Ilug-Bom and IIT WIll still be in BOLD. But this still remains an Expo/conference on Gnu-Linux which we you and we will arrange at the IIT. Pls work towards having a feelers of the same from your Profs...and get back to us jaju...sameer. Dr. Nag also says that April should be good enough for the same. I think if we all decidewe can vote to have it in April, giving us LOT of lead time to make the arrangements. with IIT as the venue mentioned in small font or something like that. Linux and ILUG-Bom will have the largest font sizes, rather than IIT ( IIT Bombay presents Mood Indigo/Techfest is the normal sentence you see, but not here ... ) [snip] Don't worry about the Techie bit. We will publise it appropriately about the expo/conference having attractions for audiences of varying tastes and likes. Bye for now. Trevor Comeon, we are being too paranoid! -- jaju ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- ( -GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE - ) /~\__ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) /mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab/ _|_| \___/ ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux Bombay 2003
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:29:04 +0530 Ravindra Jaju [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:04:49PM +0530, Trevor Warren wrote: Prof. Phatak is away, and will be back only tomorrow. He's in Delhi now( I hope he's not meeting Bill!! ;-) ) Then, we ( me, Sameer, ?? ) will talk to him. And inform you guys. [snip] great. Waiting to hear from you on the same dude. In the mean while, let's keep discussing ( time, focus, etc. ) -- jaju -- ( -GNU/LINUX, It's all about CHOICE - ) /~\__ http://www.qmailtheeasyway.com __ /~\ | \) /mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ (/ | |_|_ \ Research Asst, MediaLab/ _|_| \___/ ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 ... tentative outline
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:46:27PM +0530, Amol Hatwar wrote: Please dont plan things so early. Also in February an international level meet is being organized in Kerala by the govt with support from FSF-india. You may better push it to July so that the students who will be working on projects this year will be able to submit their proposals. hmmm thats right. We must take time... even August goes by me. Couple it with Independence day celebrations or something? Yes, coupling with Independence day will pass the message of freedom and independence, and swaraj etc. Talking about self-reliance will help people to think and turn towards free software. Nagarjuna ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:17:41PM +0530, Saswata Banerjee Associates wrote: Just to correct one point. IBM outsources the management of all major events they undertake. In events of this size, even one mistake can be costly, both in terms of money as well as in terms of reaction, review and goodwill. The point is still of whether we can afford them, but give me a few days and we will have that info. Outsourcing a volunteer based effort is simply meaningful. We are not completely inexperienced in organizing conferences etc. since we are planning to do it for the first time, do it modestly, a reasonably visible show and be content with it. Also when you are planning the dates, do keep in mind the availability of the venue etc. First how many participants are we expecting, how big an auditorium do we need, are we doing it for all over the country or Mumbai or Maharastra. What will be the focus/theme? Nagarjuna ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] [OT] Why not to use MS Word attachments
OT here, but useful if you need to make a counter argument against someone who sends you Word files. http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/scc38/1583/emailtg1/msg4.html Philip -- But, for my own part, it was Greek to me. -- William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 06:06:18PM +0530, Nagarjuna G. wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 05:17:41PM +0530, Saswata Banerjee Associates wrote: Just to correct one point. IBM outsources the management of all major events they undertake. In events of this size, even one mistake can be costly, both in terms of money as well as in terms of reaction, review and goodwill. The point is still of whether we can afford them, but give me a few days and we will have that info. Outsourcing a volunteer based effort is simply meaningful. We are not ^^^ it should be meaningless. completely inexperienced in organizing conferences etc. since we are planning to do it for the first time, do it modestly, a reasonably visible show and be content with it. Also when you are planning the dates, do keep in mind the availability of the venue etc. First how many participants are we expecting, how big an auditorium do we need, are we doing it for all over the country or Mumbai or Maharastra. What will be the focus/theme? Nagarjuna ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/gn/ Key fingerprint = C1E2 1B8C 8E98 A697 68B7 ADAC E956 6D4B DE90 BF01 ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Micro. Anti-trust.
Hey, the adv you are talking about is more than 6 months old. It has been running from the time they launched WinXP in India. Regards Saswata - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Micro. Anti-trust. Among other recent measures, Microsoft recruited perhaps India's best-known software executive, N. R. Narayana Murthy, the chairman of a leading software exporter, Infosys Technologies, to endorse Microsoft's technologies in large newspaper ads. The headline on one quoted Mr.Murthy as saying: When I saw Windows XP in action, I was amazed. How did Microsoft get hold of my wish list? Is that a secret anymore, this is the proof of anti-trust case. Just a joke. Amish K. Munshi ICQ 85730949 === Never ask a geek why, just nod your head and slowly back away.=== ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
I think we should first complete the Migration series of workshops successfully. This would give us enough experience in handling corporates. We would also gain enough event mngmt experience to conduct the GNU/Linux Expo. Kapil Karekar ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
though i have nothing at all against a 'more professionally managed' event, i do have an issue against outsourcing it -- having been on the core team of a unique college fest before, i have realised that *absolutely nothing* beats your own personal involvement in everything right from whom to approach for sponsorship to the what wattage of the bulbs to use on stage... Fortunately for us, GNU/Linux has far-reaching acclaim. I have friends in Nagpur who do publicity gigs, from events hot air balloons and even towing a banner by an airplane. They use and run off GNU/Linux. But yes, lets keep our options open. Regards, Amol Hatwar. -- P.S.: Michael Jackson gets his own equipment. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
i can completely relate to what hanisha is saying. even i was on core teams of my college fest for 3 years and its nto all that difficult . What many people think of the event as now I believe is something on a mega-scale. When you've got be good, you have to be better. As of now I can't even think of how much sweat and man-hours the event will take. But then if you have money at your disposal, why worry about nitty-gritties when you can concentrate on other efforts. As a programmer think of it as a wise abstraction. Amol Hatwar. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
First how many participants are we expecting, how big an auditorium do we need, are we doing it for all over the country or Mumbai or Maharastra. What will be the focus/theme? *snip* Yes, these are very rather extremely important points we must take care of. Probably plan another meet, and brainstorm. Time for homework everyone. Amol Hatwar. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Lets have our own Linux Bombay 2002
Ever been here during Mood Indigo, dude? ;-) Look around, I am more visible than heard of ;). ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] GNU/Linux India Expo 2003 ... tentative outline
July sounds good too :). ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
I think we should first complete the Migration series of workshops successfully. This would give us enough experience in handling corporates. We would also gain enough event mngmt experience to conduct the GNU/Linux Expo. I am in for this too Kapil... and I think Kapil is darn right. What we have to learn is to manage to juggle many sets of balls at the same time. PRC, Corporates, Linuxworld, Seminars Lets be more visible before pulling Linuxworld out. Regards, Amol Hatwar. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] LinuxWorld Expo ideas
Hi, I'm another lurker coming out of the woodworks.. ;-) What I'd really like to see is for the Expo to provide a recruitment office (??) for people who are intrested in contributing to the community in any way. Although the response may be half-hearted or flame out after a while, I think what really needs to be driven in the public consciousness is the fact that *YOU* can contribute. I mean, most people view Free/OSS software as just something to use, written by some ultra-smart geeks you have no hope of matching. A lot of help can be used, especially in non-programming tasks like indian-language localization, distribution, general help, etc. I suspect that there also might be programmers who are searching for a idea/project to contribute to (I know I am) so we could provide some sort of exchange for that... considering the variety of people planning to attend, it could be really useful :-) Although this may be OT and politically incorrect, I'd also like to put up a small *BSD booth at the Expo. I use and like FreeBSD also, and I personally feel it is a shame there's not enough public consciousness about them. I don't want to start a BSD vs Linux flamewar, just want to let people know they have have a choice in free OSes, too. timing of the Expo: All us engg. students have exams in June/July, so it'd be ideal for it to be in Feb/March/April-start or even later in August, like someone pointed out. Thanks, - A. - If I have an apple, and give you the apple, I have no apples. If I have an idea, and give it to you, we both have the idea. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Trevor?
Trevor, Its 10 PM. Well take your time... ruminate on my words. But at least stick to your words. Regards, Amol. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Re: URL of RMS article...
Frederick Noronha writes: Vinayak, It's at eians.com. But you won't be able to check out that site, since it is only open to newspaper subscribers. Some of the articles are not available or accessible via websites, and it's mostly these that I post. If the load is too much, I'll go slow on that. But sometimes it helps speedy discussion (specially for those of us who have *very* limited to the WWW). FN hello Frederick, I apprieciate your postings of new aricles on this group. But please mail the urls and not the content of the articles. Those who are interested will then follow the url and bookmark it for future references. Hi frederick, No offence meant, just a suggestion. Already lots of mails on the list. so as to reduce the bandwidth consumption :-)). ** Vinayak Hegde APGDST Student NCST-Juhu ** ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] LINK: Don't Bill the Gates (Important/Long)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mahesh Murthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:44:49 +0530 Subject: [india-gii] Sneak Preview of Business Today Column on Gates' visit Since we are on the topic, and at least some of us seem to be thinking alike, here is the column that should appear in Business Today next Monday: - Don't Bill the Gates. Let's take the billionaire's healthcare handouts, and turn down the software handcuffs. By the time this article comes out, the world's richest man would have been here and gone. From what I hear around me, our state governments are in a tizzy, competing to outdo each other to dazzle the gent. All in a hope to get some of his cash into their state. Nothing wrong with any of this. But let's look a little closer at why the Chief Software Architect is taking 4 days out of that hyper-valuable time to hobnob with our CMs and CEOs. He's not really here because we need his money. He's here because he needs ours. Think about it - Microsoft has seen off legal challenges to its Windows monopoly. But never before has it seen such a strong marketplace challenge - in the form of the open source operating system called Linux. Linux is all the things a developing economy like India needs - open, well-documented, stable, secure, accepted worldwide - and, best of all, virtually free. Governments around the world, from Peru to the United Kingdom have begun insisting on open source to power their national initiatives. India is not far behind - Kerala, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka were among the first to direct atleast some of their IT buyers to first look at open source for solutions, and only later, at proprietary systems like Microsoft before placing orders. This worries the famously paranoid Redmonders. Small wonder that the CMs of these very states are on Bill's list of people to schmooze on this trip. Hey buddy, I'll come and throw a few scraps your way from my private jet - but, pal, you gotta buy Microsoft. Governments and their directives are not Bill's only worries. India isn't that large a market for software - we barely account for 1% of Microsoft's sales. But the fact is that we are home to 10% of the world's software developers - and Billy boy just doesn't want Coder Coomaraswamy to go over to the Linux side of the development fence. Corporations around the world want lower cost, more supportable and stable solutions. And the nightmare of India becoming one of the world's strong Linux-based development centers has ensured that our Ambanis, Tatas and Narayanamurthy's get treatment on par with our Chief Ministers. The message again: Stay with Microsoft and we can beat off those Open-source Outlaws and bring the world back to a place where a monopolist can still make a decent living. The trip is done and over with now - and hopefully some of the glamour and space-cadet glow would have faded from those who wanted to be photographed with His Billness. Time for a reality check. For buyers, it's time to consider how the very nature of software is changing. From a point where the internet offered the ultimate open, extensible infrastructure we now have offerings like Microsoft's Palladium which, in the supposed name of security, takes the free, open nature of TCP/IP: the platform under the internet, and adds proprietary bits that will ensure that Microsoft controls and gets paid virtually every time you go out of the gate onto the net. You will also see new Microsoft licensing models that force you to pay subscriptions from now till forever for whatever you use. You don't have to accept it if you don't want to. There are alternatives. Further, you will hear standard Microsoft FUD, as they call it themselves (rumours that add to Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) that Linux is more expensive than Windows to implement. This is Redmond's new global anti-Linux positioning - once they realized their earlier Linux is un-American and un-capitalistic line actually ended up making it more popular. Don't take anybody's word for it. Do your own study, arrive at your own conclusions. More FUD is expected that Linux is insecure - but this coming from notoriously bug-infested Microsoft is like Saddam suddenly evangelizing humane democracy. If you're a developer, keep an equally open mind. There are advantages to being part of the Microsoft camp, especially if you want framed photographs you can show your grandchildren - or your customers live under a rock and will buy MS, no questions asked. For others, there is a global market for Linux-based solutions that is rapidly developing. You will have to re-adjust your thinking. And as far as the Bill and Melinda Foundation to eradicate AIDS? A wonderful effort by all means. The NGOs among you should strive to seek connections and funding. And having to write up your reports in Word or Excel is a small price to pay. - From: Mahesh Murthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
Most of the similar events today have multiple talks / workshops in differing topics at the same time so that people have a choice of sessions to participate in. If that pattern is being followed, we may need to think of a place where there is perhaps one large auditorium, but also a number of smaller halls / meeting rooms which can be used. Regards Saswata - Original Message - From: Amol Hatwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom? First how many participants are we expecting, how big an auditorium do we need, are we doing it for all over the country or Mumbai or Maharastra. What will be the focus/theme? *snip* Yes, these are very rather extremely important points we must take care of. Probably plan another meet, and brainstorm. Time for homework everyone. Amol Hatwar. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux-Bom?
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:36:31 +0530 Saswata Banerjee Associates wrote: Most of the similar events today have multiple talks / workshops in differing topics at the same time so that people have a choice of sessions to participate in. If that pattern is being followed, we may need to think of a place where there is perhaps one large auditorium, but also a number of smaller halls / meeting rooms which can be used. I am not sure whether this would really be suitable, in the sense that our planned workshops are quite focused in topics, unlike previous ones that were rather general. It might be that someone is interested in more than one topics being taken up simultaneously and s/he would be in a fix! Or maybe I didn't understand your point correctly? -- Tahir Hashmi (VSE, NCST) http://staff.ncst.ernet.in/tahir tahir AT ncst DOT ernet DOT in We, the rest of humanity, wish GNU luck and Godspeed ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] [OT] Economic Times Article Windows far ahead of Linux: Gates
Check out what Bill Gates has to say .. somebody please enlighten him http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?artid=28083930 Nikhil Kale Software Engineer. Mahindra British Telecom Ltd. Mobile No: +919821228022 -- __ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] (no subject)
If I want to install ghostview how can I do it. In general what is the way to install a new software on the system in linux OS. Please reciprocate. thanks, amit. Amit R. Kalyani M-Tech Civil (structures) Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, Powai, Mumbai-400076. Hostel 4, Room no: 379. phone:5721008,5720194. ___ http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
