Re: [Liveaboard] Question
Well put, Ben! I've often thought one of the fun and stimulating aspects of the list is the fact that not absolutely every thread is boating related. It's kinda like the bar at the yacht club. The common denominator of everyone there is love of boating but the range of lively conversations can encompass a wide range of intellectual topics (except politics!!!) some of which have nothing to do with boating but are the result of a group of intellectually curious people. And then there are the Neanderthals with absolutely nothing going on between their ears except their teeny little preoccupation with what directly interests them and don't have the intellectual curiosity to expand their world. If the world were left to those intellectually challenged I guess we'd still all be afraid of falling off the edge of the flat earth. In any event, I'm going back to Spring Commissioning S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:24 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Question On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 10:42:10PM -0400, jjd...@aol.com wrote: Agree, It is called mental masturbation. In a message dated 4/25/2011 10:39:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, floridak...@aol.com writes: What the fuck! [grin] Oh, the impotent, chittering outrage. So cute... reminds me of a chipmunk. Hint: if you have nothing useful to contribute, don't bother airing your opinion about how unimportant the question is. It's been done, redone, and over-done. Doing the AOL thing (Me too!) for the Nth time is indeed mental masturbation. Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Question
Soo well put, Ben! I've never understood those on the list who, somewhere along the line, forgot where their 'delete' key was if they had no interest in a subject. Kinda like my reference to the bar at the yacht club, where in that case, as you wandered around with your drink in hand, if you didn't like the conversation at one end of the bar you just moved to the other end of the bar. You certainly wouldn't tell the first group that this is a yacht club - you're not allowed to ponder philosophical questions. Just the concept of that has me on the floor laughing my ass off. Oh well, it's a free society so I guess our only recourse is to allow the Philistines on the list grins! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:17 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Question Hey, Steve - On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 09:10:36AM -0400, SteveW wrote: Well put, Ben! I've often thought one of the fun and stimulating aspects of the list is the fact that not absolutely every thread is boating related. It's kinda like the bar at the yacht club. The common denominator of everyone there is love of boating but the range of lively conversations can encompass a wide range of intellectual topics (except politics!!!) some of On USENET, the canonical four topics to avoid were politics, guns, rape, and religion. No matter how they started, they always ended up in flames... I can't claim to have always followed that successfully, but then, I never did claim to be perfect. :) which have nothing to do with boating but are the result of a group of intellectually curious people. And then there are the Neanderthals with absolutely nothing going on between their ears except their teeny little preoccupation with what directly interests them and don't have the intellectual curiosity to expand their world. If the world were left to those intellectually challenged I guess we'd still all be afraid of falling off the edge of the flat earth. Agreed, in full. The only problem is that these tail-end Charlies insist on hitching a ride on the trains that *we* build... oh well. It's a cost of civilization, I suppose. Worth noting: intellectual, as in intellectual curiosity, means associated with or requiring the use of the mind. In other words, having a mind is a requirement. All else proceeds from there. Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Moving On
Just waiting for your arrival in OB, Norm. Actually I just wrote Ben off-list and suggested the same thing - that he get his butt up here also! Although there's a possibility we make take off this summer for a week travelling abroad (no sailing, unfortunately) I don't see that happening much before August, if at all. Otherwise we'll be around and, weather permitting, certainly around the OB area. Although if this year is a repeat of last Summer's July 4th weekend (temps 100+ and no wind!) we'll probably hang around the city going from air-conditioned apartment to air-conditioned restaurant to air-conditioned movie or something. S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: banders...@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:10 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: [Liveaboard] Moving On All, I am absolutely delighted with the buzz my simple question has stirred up on the List. I guess I won't have to ask what sort of weapon I should have aboard for a while... I was reading everything in the Question thread aloud to Jan this morning and just as she mentioned how much fun it would be to get together with SteveW, BenO and a few other lively List members I opened Ben's message on just that subject! Curiouser and Curiouser. I enjoyed the new Science Channel show Firefly last Sunday at 2100ET. Sort of Grandson of Han Solo and his Posse. One of the crew, the chaplain, is played by Ron Glass who played the black detective in the Barney Miller TV sitcom, one of my favorites. All the rest are too young for me to recognize. As for boat stuff, Jan and I are preparing Bandersnatch for our Northbound Trek, it's getting hot here in north Florida. Jan has had a cold for the past three days but is on the mend. I was pleased that the main engine started right up the other day when I tried it. I have a higher main engine cooling seawater intake this year so I won't be sucking mud and clams into the boat when I plow through the mud as I have often done in the past, eliminating one major problem. BTW, Do it right or do it over is a credo that whacks me on the noggin often. It really works. Whenever I have a problem on the boat I try to fix it in such a way that it doesn't happen again. That is how I eventually made my great fuel system. The name of the game is to fix things so as to increase the Mean Time Between Failures. BTW, I came across an interesting gizmo. It is like those little noisemakers, Sonaleart was the original, that make alarm noises (low oil pressure, high engine temp, etc). This one can be programmed via a USB upload to play a 30 sec mp3 or wav sound file. I imagine announcements as heard aboard the NCC-1701 Enterprise. (sultry female voice) Captain, the main engine is overheating, but the rising bilge water will soon cool it down. Schuster Electronics, Inc. (sa...@schusterusa.com) Product Category: Audio Transducers and Buzzers Part Description: 30 Second WAV / MP3 Programmable Indicator I was told it was not quite ready for Prime Time but I am on their mailing list. Norm ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] I should have brought my beer.
Easy does it S/V Sarks! If you mention that you really love that type of stuff (like Norm's question) you're liable to get flamed with all sorts of vitriolic messages g! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: S/V Sarks Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:47 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] I should have brought my beer. I'm away for a while and look at what I almost missed ! Interesting question about O2 CO2 Norm. I love that type of stuff. Only comments/questions I have are: 1)Steve mentioned Intellectual topics and politics. From what I understand they are mutually exclusive. 2) Philistines on the list… I'm a Canadian so I can't see why young people from Philadelphia can be on the list too. ;) 3) Voice alarm chip…. hmmm now i just have to decide if I should set up a warning alarm with Robot saying Danger Will Robinson or a confirmation alarm with Barbara Eden saying yes master. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] looking for tough engine diagnosis problem (andsolution)
How about the little tiny filter at the end of the pick-up line in the tank. Had that one happen and at the time didn't even know there was a small filter at the end of that puppy! And, of course, been there done that... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: jim sims Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:13 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] looking for tough engine diagnosis problem (andsolution) Hmmm, that's a *juicy* one. Hopefully everyone is benefiting - best way to learn is from *others* experience - especially when it is excruciating ;-) Opening up the problem space a bit - ignore the original symptom list. What is the toughest (engine) diagnosis (and solution) you've had to deal with? Thanks a million! capn jim On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Jaye Eldridge jaye.eldri...@gmail.com wrote: We had a very similar problem on Arione last year. Thought it was a fuel line - a pinhole or something letting air into the line. Since the lines were rock hard and old enough to drink, had them all replaced in San Jose Del Cabo at not small expense. Problem persisted. A mechanic in La Paz (who spoke not a word of English, and our Spanish was rather, um, limited, at that point) traced it a a dying solenoid - it was slowly closing as it died - not every time, not in a consistent manner, but definitely dying. The guy was one of those people where watching him work made it clear that he was a freaking mechanical genius - he very methodically traced the problem back to the source. He replaced the solenoid and we've been good to go ever since. worth checking. Could also be a problem with the solenoid getting current, which he also checked. Lines are the most obvious thing to check, but if there's nothing obviously wrong with them, I'd investigate other possibilities before you do what we did (replacement). If anyone finds themself in La Paz, Mario, at Marina Palmira, who's become our mechanic of choice, is a great guy and really knows his stuff. You do need to speak at least a little Spanish, though. On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Ben Okopnik wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 06:40:42PM -0500, jim sims wrote: Looking for a touch engine diagnosis problem and the solution for a story I'm writing Ideally something not obvious, that might have symptoms like: 1) runs fine for a while 2) then misses or surges 3) quits Agree with Lee: air leak on the suction side of the low-pressure mechanical fuel pump (gets worse as the engine-mounted beastie heats up, cures itself when the engine is cold.) Don't ask me how I know, either. :) Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web
Re: [Liveaboard] looking for tough engine diagnosis problem (andsolution)
Similar scenario but at least in-shore on the L.I. Sound. I checked everything I could see, checked everything else, and was spitting nails by the time I limped into a marina on our route which promised a decent diesel mechanic. After I described the problem, he asked whether I checked all the various filters in the fuel system so of course I answered in the affirmative. When he asked about the one at the end of the pick-up tube inside the tank the look on my face must have been priceless. I didn't know there was one!!! Fortunately this was on my old boat and the top of the tank was accessible with a minimum of bodily contortions. Sure enough, he pulled the tube and there was an entire bio-system living in/on that filter. Fifteen minutes later, a new filter installed, we fired her up and she ran like a purring kitten. S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:10 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] looking for tough engine diagnosis problem (andsolution) On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 09:10:44AM -0400, SteveW wrote: How about the little tiny filter at the end of the pick-up line in the tank. Had that one happen and at the time didn't even know there was a small filter at the end of that puppy! And, of course, been there done that... Argh! BTDT, still got the T-shirt. :) Windless passage from Mayaguana to the Turks and Caicos; the engine runs fine up to 1850RPM, chokes and dies within 2 minutes of going to 1900. Back off, runs fine. Normal-seeming fuel flow all the way up to the HP pump... took most of a day of this before the light in my brain went on. Just before getting on the banks, I disconnected the fuel line and stuck it into a 5-gallon diesel jug; used that to get into Sapodilla Bay, with the engine running just fine. Then, with gritted teeth, I took apart nearly the entire aft end of the boat I was on to get to the top of the tank, pulled out the intake tube, and found what I just *knew* I would find there: an intake filter, packed with algae and other kinds of accumulated crap. I ranted about it for most of a week. What kind of a moron would do something as monumentally STUPID as this Boy, was I mad. :) Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] looking for tough engine diagnosis problem(andsolution)
My only question is whether or not engines are actually another form of intelligent life. When you don't really need them, they'll run fine! But I'm convinced they can hear our thoughts and when we've got that oh boy, we could get in trouble here, we better start the engine the engine in question has an ahah moment and decides this would be a great time to pay you back for some previous real or imagined abuse... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Lee Huddleston Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 12:01 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] looking for tough engine diagnosis problem(andsolution) This whole line of problems and solutions would make a great article for a sailing magazine or the Seven Seas Cruising Association. We might name it The Intermittent Engine. Could even save someone's boat or life. Certainly save people's sanity. Anyone have any more thinks to look at or check when you are faced with an engine that runs just some of the time? Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Link 2000 monitor panel
Jim, I'd think the first thing to do is call Xantrex customer service and explain the situation to them. It might be as simple as an internal battery...but in any case they'll be able to help... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Jim Lynch Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:24 PM To: Live Aboard List Subject: [Liveaboard] Link 2000 monitor panel Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be going on? Does anyone know where I might get one repaired if it comes to that? Thanks, Jim. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] looking for tough engine diagnosisproblem(and solution)
Norm, assuming you're relating this 'cause it happened to you, how the hell did you figure out the problem? Did you just start pulling and inspecting individual hoses until you saw the problem? Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: banders...@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:56 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] looking for tough engine diagnosisproblem(and solution) Jim, Sorry for the very late response, I'm having trouble with my email. Here is a strange but true engine trouble. A portion of the inside layer of fuel hose became detached from the main body of the hose. When fuel suction became full throttle the suction would pull the inner lining away from the carcass and pinch off the flow. The engine would idle normally and all the filters were new but the engine would not take up a load until the fuel hose was replaced. Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Gloucester MA ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] FW: CYOA - Re: Bob...It's finished
WOW!!! Thanks for sharing, Yanni!!! What a great, uplifting story.. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Letsgosailing now Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:39 PM To: Liveaboard Subject: [Liveaboard] FW: CYOA - Re: Bob...It's finished http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN4kmlAxvGUfeature=share beautiful story Yanni @ Service Pisces Marine www.piscesmarine.ca www.onlineoutboards.ca Oakville Ontario 905-827-4384 Yanni Marinated S/V Princess Thalia Columbia 8.7 #73 Port Dalhousie Pier Marina Ontario Canada ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Bahamas - Where would you go?
About 10 years ago, Roger Susie Mummah took off on their Hunter 31, cruised the Bahamas, and wrote a fantastic book about their travels. If you've been on list for a long time, you'll remember them from here and the old 'original' livaboard list when Stefan was hosting. Not only is it a great read of their travels but they give excellent information and guidance for getting your boat set up and equipped. It's still in print and available from Amazon at: http://www.amazon.com/Cruising-Endless-Summer-Roger-Mummah/dp/0759627525 Another way to get there is just Google cruising endless summer - Exumas and the Amazon link will come up. It's in stock and well worth it for a great read and great source of Bahamian knowledge. Obviously some stuff will be out of date (after all, this was written from a cruise in 1999-2000!) but still a good starting point for anyone contemplating their first cruise there. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Wayne Beardsley Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:11 PM To: alock...@aol.com ; liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Bahamas - Where would you go? Good subject for discussion, and two months is long enough to see quite a lot. First the basics: The Bahamas are divided into several different regions. In the north are the Abacos, in the south are the Exumas and out islands, and in the center are Nassau, the Berry Islands, Eleuthra, Spanish Wells, etc. The very best navigational information is from the Explorer Chart Books which are available from West Marine and others. They are absolutely indispensible. Explorer charts are also available in electronic chart plotter format from C-MAP and others. We have both and use them all the time. The books also have quite a lot of cruising advice and local knowledge. Be sure to get the latest editions. Bimini and West End are both popular places to check in and clear customs. We try to avoid them since they somtimes are crowded and backed up wiith processing delays. Our last couple of trips we have cleared in at the Nassau Harbor Club Marina which is very convenient. The customs and immigration people come right to your boat and they are very quick and efficient. There is a large shopping center across the street from the marina. Chandleries and restaurants are also within easy walking distance. Entering from the north, it is possible to check in at other places than West End. It is permissable to anchor for the night without checking in as long as you don't fish or go ashore. Fly the Q flag and keep going the next day to a port of entry. Spanish Cay makes for a nice quiet and uncrowded place to clear customs, and you can continue south in the Abacos from there. In the Abacos our favorites are: Green Turtle Cay - anchor either Black Sound or White Sound; rent a golf cart and tour the island; visit New Providence and Sarah Pineapple's Pub; visit the Green Turtle club; tour the beaches on the north east side. Great Guana Key - primary attractions are the great beaches; snorkeling behind the reef on the east side; and of course, the famous Nippers Pub. Don't miss the pig roast on Sunday afternoons. Treasure Key Cove and Marina - Very protected harbor. Go out to the end of the point and go wading on the sand flats that stretch out for miles. Marsh Harbour - The heart of the Abacos and a great place to resupply - lots of stores and restaurants. Carry your VHF handheld ashore, everyone uses them to call taxis and ask advice. Don't miss the cruisers net on VHF 68 at 8:00AM - great source of advice and information. Hope Town Harbor - Great place, very scenic, climb the lighthouse, rent a golf cart and drive down to the south end - spectacularly scenic on a windy day. In the central Bahamas two of our favorites are Spanish Wells and harbour Island. They are close to each other and well worth visiting although very different. The Explorer Chart books have all the information that you need.Going to Harbour Island for the first time it is recommended that you hire one of the guides from Spanish Wells although the Explorer Charts are very accurate. South of Nassau are the Exuma Islands, arguably one of the best cruising areas in the western hemisphere. The islands are beautiful and there are many good harbors and dive sites, too many to mention all of them here. Some of our favorites are Allen's Cay, Highbourne Cay, Norman's Cay, Warderick Wells, Compass Cay and Staniel Cay. See the Explorer books and cruising guides for more information. I would tend to avoid Georgetown unless you have a lot of time and want to become part of the cruising community there. The Ragged Islands and Jumentos are beautiful, wild and remote but I would not recommend them for a first trip when you are somewhat limited in time. Regards and good cruising, Wayne
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
Hi, Ben! Are you still up here in the NY area? Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:28 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 09:15:02AM -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote: I'm part of cruisers_online_network, a truly international list (many receive their mail/listserve over Pactor)... I'm away from my home computer, but I'll follow up in a week or so with info on that one. Google is your friend: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cruisers_Network_Online/ :) That said, I wouldn't disengage from this. ═Also, I DETEST web interfaces of all stripes, much preferring listserve, or at a distance, NNTP newsgroups, where stuff comes to my mailbox without the need to log on, go to a web site, or any other much more bandwidth intensive activity. ═It also allows me a preview of what I'm either going to open or disregard, vs having to wade through lots of title-only stuff in forums... Having grown up with the computer industry and having started with BBSes and later USENET, I feel exactly the same way. What a waste of bandwidth, and what a horrible restriction web-only interfaces are! As my own small blow for justice, I wrote a kit of programs that daily retrieves all the posts from a certain Yahoo group, parses them back into their original format (i.e., email), and backs them up in a searchable archive. In some ways, it's one of the most satisfying projects I've ever done. My 2 cents; this is a great list, Agreed! Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
I agree with Skip on this one. While I don’t have to worry about web connection
issues, etc. while sitting at home in front of a roaring fireplace I can look
through the emails in ‘preview’ and make the decision to engage or not.
It seems to me that there’s always as slowdown this time of the year with a lot
of the normal ‘listers’ because a whole bunch of us (at least here in the
Northeast, Northwest, and upper Midwest) have put our respective boats to bed
for the winter – unfortunately!
I also know a bunch of the old regulars ( Charmaine, ‘bella, etc...) have
migrated to web based or even Facebook, but there are still a LOT of us
checking the inbox for list messages.
Meanwhile, I’ll be heading out to check on the boat cover, lines, and fenders
while Captiva sleeps in her bubbler-equipped slip. But here’s a topic which has
been explored before but possibly germane to those of us wet-storing over the
winter.
Will 6-v wet cell batteries be damaged by leaving the on-board charger
activated over 4 months (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar) so it maintains a float charge? In
my case, I’ve got an inverter/charger. I think that while the unit is on and
the status panel is on there’s some minimum draw even as the batteries are
being charged.
Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY
All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V
From: Skip Gundlach
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:15 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
I'm part of cruisers_online_network, a truly international list (many receive
their mail/listserve over Pactor)...
I'm away from my home computer, but I'll follow up in a week or so with info on
that one.
That said, I wouldn't disengage from this. Also, I DETEST web interfaces of
all stripes, much preferring listserve, or at a distance, NNTP newsgroups,
where stuff comes to my mailbox without the need to log on, go to a web site,
or any other much more bandwidth intensive activity. It also allows me a
preview of what I'm either going to open or disregard, vs having to wade
through lots of title-only stuff in forums...
My 2 cents; this is a great list, taking a breather :{))
L8R
Skip
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Densler, Vernon R (AS)
vernon.dens...@ngc.com wrote:
Maybe everyone is out to sea?
-Original Message-
From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com
[mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Philip McConnell
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:36 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: EXT :[Liveaboard] Any other lists more active?
This list appear to be pretty much dead. I kinda wonder why. It used to
be pretty lively.
Question: where has everyone gone?
Thanks!
Philip S. McConnell
USSV Gryphon
Tayana 52 #35
Alameda, CA
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Re: [Liveaboard] Batteries charging over the winter ---- WAS EXT : Any other lists more active?
Thanks, Bob. Since I usually get out to check on the lines, etc., every couple of weeks during the winter, that’s an easy thing to do. The next thing I’m going to do is also put a “T” fitting with a valve inline to the pick-up hose for the water intake thru-hull for the MarineAir ac/heat unit so I can turn on the heat when I’ve got onboard projects to do during the winter. That way, re-winterizing would be extremely simple and eliminate the hassle of undoing hose clamps, etc., to get the pink stuff through the system. The biggest ‘major’ project I’m thinking about is to refinish the top surface of the salon table. It’s too much of a hassle to unbolt it to take ashore and besides, I live in an apartment so I don’t have access to a work area in a garage or something. That being said, once I do the sanding and prep work I figure I could apply one or two coats of varnish each weekend and leave the heat on over Saturday night for as long as it takes to finish the project with a final coat of polyurethane or something to get that nice protected shiny finish completed. I had thought about picking up one of those oil-filled heaters but I’m not a big fan of leaving something with that large an electric draw unattended overnight. I have to believe running the MarineAir system for 25-30 hours of use at a time wouldn’t do any harm. There have been plenty of times where we’ve been cruising and ended up in a slip somewhere and turned on the air-conditioning for 2-3 days of continuous use during those 90-95 degree days we seem to get around her late July/August. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Bob Johnson Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:08 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? Steve, What a timely comment. I just got back from checking the boat. I leave it on the hard in the Bangor, ME area and have left the boat plugged in for the last 3 winters on my Freedom inverter/charger and the batteries seem to have not suffered. That said when I arrived today I noticed no panel lights lit so I began checking GFCI receptacles and could find nothing. I happened to look down and notice my adaptor pigtail missing. So off I trudge to the marina office to report the theft. They lent me one and I begin looking to see if anything else was missing only to find my pigtail. Evidently I went through all my usual winterizing, covering, etc but just spaced out the last item. I guess this would be a good reason for a check list. When I left the charger was putting 50 amps into the batteries so I guess I may be buying new batteries in the spring. Bob PDQ 36 Peace From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com [mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of SteveW Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:24 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? I agree with Skip on this one. While I don’t have to worry about web connection issues, etc. while sitting at home in front of a roaring fireplace I can look through the emails in ‘preview’ and make the decision to engage or not. It seems to me that there’s always as slowdown this time of the year with a lot of the normal ‘listers’ because a whole bunch of us (at least here in the Northeast, Northwest, and upper Midwest) have put our respective boats to bed for the winter – unfortunately! I also know a bunch of the old regulars ( Charmaine, ‘bella, etc...) have migrated to web based or even Facebook, but there are still a LOT of us checking the inbox for list messages. Meanwhile, I’ll be heading out to check on the boat cover, lines, and fenders while Captiva sleeps in her bubbler-equipped slip. But here’s a topic which has been explored before but possibly germane to those of us wet-storing over the winter. Will 6-v wet cell batteries be damaged by leaving the on-board charger activated over 4 months (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar) so it maintains a float charge? In my case, I’ve got an inverter/charger. I think that while the unit is on and the status panel is on there’s some minimum draw even as the batteries are being charged. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Skip Gundlach Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:15 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? I'm part of cruisers_online_network, a truly international list (many receive their mail/listserve over Pactor)... I'm away from my home computer, but I'll follow up in a week or so with info on that one. That said, I wouldn't disengage from this. Also, I DETEST web interfaces of all stripes, much
[Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
I assume that like me, a lot of you also get the Dozier's Waterway Guide online. The latest issue had a link to a really interesting new toy to keep on the boat. Check out this link: http://www.jetlev.com/ I'm not sure whether this comes through as a hyperlink so if it doesn't, cut and paste it into your browser. It's like the jetpacks the astronauts use except water powered. Neat stuff... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
That seems simple enough. I could always bring a quart of distilled water with
me when I go to check the boat if the battery water level appears to be
dropping.
Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY
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From: bill wright
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:02 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
If they're wet cells check the water level once or twice and they'll be great.
Bill Wright
S/V Wright Tack
On 12/16/2011 11:23 AM, SteveW wrote:
I agree with Skip on this one. While I don’t have to worry about web
connection issues, etc. while sitting at home in front of a roaring fireplace I
can look through the emails in ‘preview’ and make the decision to engage or not.
It seems to me that there’s always as slowdown this time of the year with a
lot of the normal ‘listers’ because a whole bunch of us (at least here in the
Northeast, Northwest, and upper Midwest) have put our respective boats to bed
for the winter – unfortunately!
I also know a bunch of the old regulars ( Charmaine, ‘bella, etc...) have
migrated to web based or even Facebook, but there are still a LOT of us
checking the inbox for list messages.
Meanwhile, I’ll be heading out to check on the boat cover, lines, and fenders
while Captiva sleeps in her bubbler-equipped slip. But here’s a topic which has
been explored before but possibly germane to those of us wet-storing over the
winter.
Will 6-v wet cell batteries be damaged by leaving the on-board charger
activated over 4 months (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar) so it maintains a float charge? In
my case, I’ve got an inverter/charger. I think that while the unit is on and
the status panel is on there’s some minimum draw even as the batteries are
being charged.
Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY
All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V
From: Skip Gundlach
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:15 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
I'm part of cruisers_online_network, a truly international list (many receive
their mail/listserve over Pactor)...
I'm away from my home computer, but I'll follow up in a week or so with info
on that one.
That said, I wouldn't disengage from this. Also, I DETEST web interfaces of
all stripes, much preferring listserve, or at a distance, NNTP newsgroups,
where stuff comes to my mailbox without the need to log on, go to a web site,
or any other much more bandwidth intensive activity. It also allows me a
preview of what I'm either going to open or disregard, vs having to wade
through lots of title-only stuff in forums...
My 2 cents; this is a great list, taking a breather :{))
L8R
Skip
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Densler, Vernon R (AS)
vernon.dens...@ngc.com wrote:
Maybe everyone is out to sea?
-Original Message-
From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com
[mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Philip McConnell
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:36 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: EXT :[Liveaboard] Any other lists more active?
This list appear to be pretty much dead. I kinda wonder why. It used to
be pretty lively.
Question: where has everyone gone?
Thanks!
Philip S. McConnell
USSV Gryphon
Tayana 52 #35
Alameda, CA
p.mcconn...@sv-gryphon.net
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Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists moreactive?
Interesting concept, Ben but the first thing which popped into what's left of my mind is that it probably would only work well if the water in all cells dropped at the same rate. I've never found that to be the case in my batteries. It's probably a harbinger of a bad cell happening in the near future but I can see each cell boiling off the water at a different rate so that the octopus which fills all simultaneously would really work. I mean it probably would but you'd get a lot of spillage as different cells topped out with different quantities of water. I'm probably over thinking this but that's the first thing which popped into my mind. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:40 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists moreactive? On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:00:29AM -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote: having had a few months, recently, on line with the charger, I can tell you for sure you'll want to check the water. ═I have 4xL16HC so I have gallons of distilled water aboard. ═My most recent rewatering was WAAY too late for comfort. ═It took about a gallon... I saw a neat gadget recently - an octopus that replaces the plugs on your batteries and allows you to top them all up at once. Until we all start using AGMs or LiFePo batteries, seems like it would be a big time-saver as well as good problem prevention... Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
From watching the video, I’d say you’d be okay as long as you approached the beach from the seaward side and insured that fire-hose pickup stayed in the water behind you. Otherwise you could be in for a rather sudden drop – oops I meant “landing”... Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder what the max gross take-off weight might be. I think I remember reading somewhere on the site that the power came from a 200 hp engine which, while being weightless in flight could be a bear just standing there waiting for take-off thrust! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Philip Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:17 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation I wonder how it works coming up on to the beach. -- S/V ORYOKI Philip Marilyn Lange AE4OVKD4JRC Currently on the hill - Beaufort NC There's no point in making a plan if you're not going to pretend to follow it! ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
Aha! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Eric T. Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:19 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation Steve, One doesn't wear the motor. It is in a boat which has to follow you around. Eric Thompson San Jose, California capteri...@sbcglobal.net - Original Message - From: SteveW windso...@pipeline.com To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation From watching the video, I’d say you’d be okay as long as you approached the beach from the seaward side and insured that fire-hose pickup stayed in the water behind you. Otherwise you could be in for a rather sudden drop – oops I meant “landing�... Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder what the max gross take-off weight might be. I think I remember reading somewhere on the site that the power came from a 200 hp engine which, while being weightless in flight could be a bear just standing there waiting for take-off thrust! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Philip Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:17 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation I wonder how it works coming up on to the beach. -- S/V ORYOKI Philip Marilyn Lange AE4OVKD4JRC Currently on the hill - Beaufort NC There's no point in making a plan if you're not going to pretend to follow it! ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
I just checked, Eric, and it's set for Western European (Windows) as the default. There's another setting called Western European (ISO) haven't a clue what that is. When I first started this thread, I used someone else's email to the list, hit reply, and then changed the subject line and deleted the previous message and started mine. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Eric T. Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:25 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation Steve, Could you please change your text Encoding to Western Euopean? It would mak life alittle easier for me. I currently have to change the encoding on not just your emails, but also all those that reply to you. Just a small PITA. :-) Eric Thompson San Jose, California capteri...@sbcglobal.net - Original Message - From: SteveW windso...@pipeline.com To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation From watching the video, I’d say you’d be okay as long as you approached the beach from the seaward side and insured that fire-hose pickup stayed in the water behind you. Otherwise you could be in for a rather sudden drop – oops I meant “landing�... Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder what the max gross take-off weight might be. I think I remember reading somewhere on the site that the power came from a 200 hp engine which, while being weightless in flight could be a bear just standing there waiting for take-off thrust! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Philip Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:17 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation I wonder how it works coming up on to the beach. -- S/V ORYOKI Philip Marilyn Lange AE4OVKD4JRC Currently on the hill - Beaufort NC There's no point in making a plan if you're not going to pretend to follow it! ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
[Liveaboard] Font
For that matter, what's the difference between Western European (Windows) and Western European (ISO) ? Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Eric T. Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:58 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation Steve, AHA! Right back at you. Your use of the Reply function explains it then. Now if I could just figure out who IS using that weird setting that is so hard for me to read... Eric Thompson San Jose, California capteri...@sbcglobal.net - Original Message - From: SteveW windso...@pipeline.com To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation I just checked, Eric, and it's set for Western European (Windows) as the default. There's another setting called Western European (ISO) haven't a clue what that is. When I first started this thread, I used someone else's email to the list, hit reply, and then changed the subject line and deleted the previous message and started mine. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Eric T. Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:25 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation Steve, Could you please change your text Encoding to Western Euopean? It would mak life alittle easier for me. I currently have to change the encoding on not just your emails, but also all those that reply to you. Just a small PITA. :-) Eric Thompson San Jose, California capteri...@sbcglobal.net - Original Message - From: SteveW windso...@pipeline.com To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation From watching the video, I’d say you’d be okay as long as you approached the beach from the seaward side and insured that fire-hose pickup stayed in the water behind you. Otherwise you could be in for a rather sudden drop – oops I meant “landing�... Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder what the max gross take-off weight might be. I think I remember reading somewhere on the site that the power came from a 200 hp engine which, while being weightless in flight could be a bear just standing there waiting for take-off thrust! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Philip Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:17 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation I wonder how it works coming up on to the beach. -- S/V ORYOKI Philip Marilyn Lange AE4OVKD4JRC Currently on the hill - Beaufort NC There's no point in making a plan if you're not going to pretend to follow it! ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
There are some days where I suspect the term Microsoft Smart Quote is an oxymoron of the highest ordersort of like Government Intelligence Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:18 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 10:58:07AM -0800, Eric T. wrote: Steve, AHA! Right back at you. Your use of the Reply function explains it then. Now if I could just figure out who IS using that weird setting that is so hard for me to read... It's very likely to be the Windows encoding - since the characters that come up looking weird are the Microsoft smart quotes. I used to get tons of that kind of noise while editing articles for the Linux Gazette, so I wrote a script called demoronize that converted the smart quotes into the normal kind. :) Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Dredging
Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY A dark night, a scuba tank, and a shovel? All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Densler, Vernon R (AS) Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:58 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: [Liveaboard] Dredging So since everyone seems to want a topic to talk about… Does anyone know how I can get a little bit more depth to my slip without attracting too much attention? It’s all sand. One particular place I am worried about is around the AC inlet. Thanks, Vern s/v Nirvelli ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
Thanks, Jim. I don’t see myself getting out there for a few more weeks so I’ll make sure to check the water level. If I didn’t think the distilled water would freeze I’d leave a couple of jugs on the boat but... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Jim Lynch Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:36 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? On 12/16/2011 11:23 AM, SteveW wrote: I agree with Skip on this one. While I don’t have to worry about web connection issues, etc. while sitting at home in front of a roaring fireplace I can look through the emails in ‘preview’ and make the decision to engage or not. It seems to me that there’s always as slowdown this time of the year with a lot of the normal ‘listers’ because a whole bunch of us (at least here in the Northeast, Northwest, and upper Midwest) have put our respective boats to bed for the winter – unfortunately! I also know a bunch of the old regulars ( Charmaine, ‘bella, etc...) have migrated to web based or even Facebook, but there are still a LOT of us checking the inbox for list messages. Meanwhile, I’ll be heading out to check on the boat cover, lines, and fenders while Captiva sleeps in her bubbler-equipped slip. But here’s a topic which has been explored before but possibly germane to those of us wet-storing over the winter. Will 6-v wet cell batteries be damaged by leaving the on-board charger activated over 4 months (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar) so it maintains a float charge? In my case, I’ve got an inverter/charger. I think that while the unit is on and the status panel is on there’s some minimum draw even as the batteries are being charged. It's been my experience that I must add water every 2 months or so when on float. If the water evaporates, you may find the batteries will overhead, depending on your charger. Don't ask how I know. :) Jim. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
Alan, on one hand you say don’t trickle charge but top off with the generator, but if you’re plugged in (as I am) and the inverter is left on, aren’t they getting a trickle charge anyway? Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Alan Lewis Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:09 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? Jim: I've been using Trojan T-105's for many years and leaving them on the boat over the winter without problems (I run four of them in a single bank of 440 AH). They last me an average of about 6 years (5-7) at which time I replace them and move the old batteries to my home genertor where they last another 3-4 years (on 1 amp pulse charger). I do not trickle-charge the batteries on the boat, but rather periodically top off the charge from my Honda EU-2000 portable generator when I check on the cover (I usually dry-store in Maine) --- about once a month. I rarely have to add any water. I leave a cord attached to the 120V inlet and the charger on so all I have to do is connect the cord and fire up the generator. I don't have to even go aboard if the snow is abundant and I would have to shovel my way to the ladder. Alan Alan Lewis Victoria Gulfstar 41 #160 Lying Kittery, ME K1ALL Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:36:40 -0500 From: j...@fayettedigital.com To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? On 12/16/2011 11:23 AM, SteveW wrote: I agree with Skip on this one. While I don’t have to worry about web connection issues, etc. while sitting at home in front of a roaring fireplace I can look through the emails in ‘preview’ and make the decision to engage or not. It seems to me that there’s always as slowdown this time of the year with a lot of the normal ‘listers’ because a whole bunch of us (at least here in the Northeast, Northwest, and upper Midwest) have put our respective boats to bed for the winter – unfortunately! I also know a bunch of the old regulars ( Charmaine, ‘bella, etc...) have migrated to web based or even Facebook, but there are still a LOT of us checking the inbox for list messages. Meanwhile, I’ll be heading out to check on the boat cover, lines, and fenders while Captiva sleeps in her bubbler-equipped slip. But here’s a topic which has been explored before but possibly germane to those of us wet-storing over the winter. Will 6-v wet cell batteries be damaged by leaving the on-board charger activated over 4 months (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar) so it maintains a float charge? In my case, I’ve got an inverter/charger. I think that while the unit is on and the status panel is on there’s some minimum draw even as the batteries are being charged. It's been my experience that I must add water every 2 months or so when on float. If the water evaporates, you may find the batteries will overhead, depending on your charger. Don't ask how I know. :) Jim. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide
Re: [Liveaboard] Dredging
Probably a better idea than my tongue-in-cheek suggestion of the scuba tank. But my concept gives you the chance to discover all sorts of “stuff” which has fallen into the water over the years – like old cell phones, car keys, etc Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Bob Johnson Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:22 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Dredging Use a pump (1/3hp sewage or pool pump) hose and a piece of pipe. Wait until the sun goes down then blast away. Bob PDQ 36 Peace From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com [mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Densler, Vernon R (AS) Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:59 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: [Liveaboard] Dredging So since everyone seems to want a topic to talk about… Does anyone know how I can get a little bit more depth to my slip without attracting too much attention? It’s all sand. One particular place I am worried about is around the AC inlet. Thanks, Vern s/v Nirvelli ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
I'll have to keep that in mind the next time business takes me to Santa Monica. I'll have to find that link again, find the website, and get their contact information and then build in a spare day on the trip to do that!! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Lew Hodgett Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 10:26 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation SteveW wrote: Nevertheless, I’d LOVE to take that puppy out for a spin!!! --- He has a 4 hour rental. Cost you more airfare from NYC to Newport Beach than the rental. Lew ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
We’ll see your snow and raise??? Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: gypsy...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:55 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? windso...@pipeline.com writes: I’m not going to answer for Alan but he’d have the same issue in Maine we have here in NY. A solar panel isn’t going to do a lot of good covered with a few inches of snow. Plus the fact that during the winter months the angle of the sun, even at astronomical noon isn’t that high or that strong (if you tilted the panel)...Steve Weinstein Don't want to wage a war. I'm in Ohio during the winter, shrink wrapped. Now I cannot argue YOUR snow, but my solar panel does work all winter at apparently about 50% through the white shrink wrap, and it is mounted flat for that period of time. The angle over the boat for the shrink is about 30 degrees each side and the snow seems to drop away very nicely. Carl ...Dayton, OH ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
I know what you mean, Alan! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Alan Lewis Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:18 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? Although this year seems (so far) to be an exception, the last few years I had to shovel a 30 foot path of 15-20 inches of snow several times just to get to where I normally stow the ladder alongside the boat (the Shipyard plows a single car-width access road to the storage area). The solar panel approach is certainly an option, but given that I probably burn less than a gallon of gasoline all winter for the generator, it really isn't cost effective. I need to check on the integrity of the cover every now and then anyway and it's no big deal to hook up the generator and to let it run for an hour or so. It all comes with a normal New England winter. Hopefully we'll have some snow for Christmas this year. Of course, we had snow for Halloween this year which left us without power for four days (at least those who don't have a big fixed generator for their house like me). We provided hot showers, computer and cellphone charging, and water for all of our neighbors (we are all on wells). I'd still rather be living aboard all winter like we did in the early 80's in CT. Those were good times! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. Alan Alan Lewis Victoria Gulfstar 41 #160 Lying Kittery, ME K1ALL From: windso...@pipeline.com To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:41:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? We’ll see your snow and raise??? Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: gypsy...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:55 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? windso...@pipeline.com writes: I’m not going to answer for Alan but he’d have the same issue in Maine we have here in NY. A solar panel isn’t going to do a lot of good covered with a few inches of snow. Plus the fact that during the winter months the angle of the sun, even at astronomical noon isn’t that high or that strong (if you tilted the panel)...Steve Weinstein Don't want to wage a war. I'm in Ohio during the winter, shrink wrapped. Now I cannot argue YOUR snow, but my solar panel does work all winter at apparently about 50% through the white shrink wrap, and it is mounted flat for that period of time. The angle over the boat for the shrink is about 30 degrees each side and the snow seems to drop away very nicely. Carl ...Dayton, OH ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list
Re: [Liveaboard] exploding stuffRe: pvc pipe
I looked at that website, Ben, and it appears that PEX is designed for water
systems (presumably, potable water) and it doesn't mention anything about
it's use for sanitation hose. Which brings up two questions in my mind.
The website specifically cautions against using it with any supply ...where
the system contains...ferrous corrodible components... . Now I'm not sure
whether there are any ferrous corrodible components in human waste but it
doesn't sound to me as if its manufactured with any odor containing elements
as marine sanitation hose is.
I'm guessing that if your sanitation system is set up with a fresh water
flush system that wouldn't be too much of an issue, but if not, and you're
flushing with salt water, wouldn’t that be an issue? Even with a
recommendation to give the system a minimum of 10 cycles of the pump handle
after use?
Just curious whether that would be something to think about
Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Okopnik
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 12:05 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] exploding stuffRe: pvc pipe
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 06:00:25PM -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote:
:{))═ So do soda bottles when they have way too much pressure.═ What's
your
point? :{))
Poor choice for comparison, Skip. The fluid in the soda bottles may fly
in all directions; the polyethylene - what the bottle itself is made of
- just expands out from the point of failure. PVC actually shatters, and
the pieces fly in all directions. Given their mass, they can do, and
have done, serious damage and harm.
*That's* my point. :)
Seriously, though, if there were Pex for sanitation (meet up with 1.5
connections), it sounds pretty cool.
First thing off Google:
http://www.pexsupply.com/Wirsbo-Uponor-F1061500-1-1-2-AQUAPEX-100-ft-coil-4786000-p
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Re: [Liveaboard] test
I just wrote Sam, Vern. It’s working Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Vernon Densler Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:36 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: [Liveaboard] test test ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] exploding stuffRe: pvc pipe
Welcome Back, Norm! Where've you been? Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: banders...@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:56 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] exploding stuffRe: pvc pipe Ahoy All, I am back on email, at least for today... I used some PEX type stuff, Shark Bite from Lowe's I think, lately to fix a cracked T fitting (a common problem due to an error in mixing the plastic of the fitting) in my polybutyl galley plumbing. It worked OK but it is important to cut the pipe square. The fitting uses an o-ring for the seal and a toothed ring to grab the pipe. I suppose if the o-ring leaks even a tiny bit the liquid could damage the toothed ring if it has the ability to do so. For my black-water system I use PVC pipe and some hose clamped over the pipe. I have had some clogging problems over the years but pump-out boats and pressure from the ship's water system cleared them. The only one I actually saw was from wild rice husks. There have been no leaks and no odor. S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL The website specifically cautions against using it with any supply ...where the system contains...ferrous corrodible components... . ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump...
There's your explanation, Norm. I wonder whether anyone makes a run-dry bilge pump which can continue to run and push air through the hose. Could be a nice research project for someone with a lot of time on their hands :-) ! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: banders...@earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:09 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump... Steve, Wonderful to be back in touch with you! The shower sump is a foot or two below the waterline. The sump hose dumps into the galley sink drains just under the sink. The shower sump pump comes on when the Rule switch rises and pumps until the switch falls enough to shut off the pump then the water in the hose from the pump to the sink drains falls back into the shower sump. This amount of water is enough to raise the level in the sump to just below the level that will turn the pump back on. Under some conditions the pump will actually constantly cycle so I installed a temporary switch to stop that. Since the automatic switch works most of the time, I will install in a convenient location and on-off-auto switch which I consider the easiest fix. It's just not on the top List page yet. The end of the discharge hose is above the pump so the water will not drain out the discharge end when the pump stops. I cannot shorten the discharge hose. I have no above-the-waterline thru hulls except for the two diesel exhausts. Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL Norm, I'm not sure how a manual on/off switch would solve the problem. Isn't the issue really how high the pump discharge is from wherever discharge water ends up? My thinking is that if the discharge end of the hose is sufficiently below the pump then there wouldn’t be any backflow since gravity or head pressure should completely empty the hose. I'd think the only way to eliminate the issue would be not only a run dry pump, but a pump strong enough to push sufficient air through the hose to push the remaining water completely out of the hose into whatever it goes to, either an above waterline thru-hull or a really, really deep bilge or something. S ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump...
As always, Ben, you come through with the correct cold logic! (LOL!!!) I realize it's probably totally impractical and for myself, I'd stick a check valve onto the line 6 downstream from the outflow outlet on the pump and call it a day. But coming up with a practical innovative low cost run dry pump with enough pressure to 'clear' the line to the thru-hull would be an interesting intillectual exercise for a garage tinkerer. I'm one of those always looking for a completely dry (and sparkling clean - I'm talking eat off it clean) bilge. Haven’t found the boat that could meet that criteria yet. And I'm not going to spend the $$ to find a boat built around that kind of a bilge! I'll go back to looking for the Holy Grail with the rest of the Monty Python crew S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:15 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump... Hey, Steve - On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:54:55PM -0400, SteveW wrote: There's your explanation, Norm. I wonder whether anyone makes a run-dry bilge pump which can continue to run and push air through the hose. I know of a number of pumps that can run dry indefinitely, but most of them are bigger than what's normally used as bilge pumps and aren't 12V. They also cost a good bit. Possibly a reasonable solution for the bigger boats, not so much for the average yacht. The key factor here seems to be that there's a very small market for this type of application - so the costs and the implementation time are going to be high. Most people just have a small pocket in the bilge, where the pump lives, and don't mind carrying the extra pint or so of water. From the tech perspective, how would such a pump know when to stop pumping? You could have an after-run circuit that would make it pump for, say, an extra 60 seconds after the float switch shut off, but adding electronics to a bilge pump just doesn't sound like a great idea - and would add even more to the cost. Could be a nice research project for someone with a lot of time on their hands :-) ! Seems like figuring out how to get around the size/power/complexity/cost issues would be the big challenge here. Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump...
That's waay to much to think about, Ben g! Besides, given the size of our boats compared to Norm's, I'm sure you couldn't fit a milk jug float into your bilge as I certainly couldn't! S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:04 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump... On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:09:39PM -0400, SteveW wrote: As always, Ben, you come through with the correct cold logic! (LOL!!!) It's that engineering/security mindset. Have to forcibly switch it off for stuff like flirting with cute girls, etc. :) I realize it's probably totally impractical and for myself, I'd stick a check valve onto the line 6 downstream from the outflow outlet on the pump and call it a day. But coming up with a practical innovative low cost run dry pump with enough pressure to 'clear' the line to the thru-hull would be an interesting intillectual exercise for a garage tinkerer. I'm one of those always looking for a completely dry (and sparkling clean - I'm talking eat off it clean) bilge. Haven’t found the boat that could meet that criteria yet. And I'm not going to spend the $$ to find a boat built around that kind of a bilge! Well, you could borrow part of Norm's excellent idea: use something like his milk-jug float to get the switch/whatever electronics you wanted to use well away from the water and the pump. The after-run circuit would be fairly simple: when the float switch closes, it not only powers the pump but also charges a capacitor through a resistor. When the switch opens, the voltage in the capacitor turns on a transistor (a MOSFET, I suppose) that sits across the switch contacts. Eventually - the delay depends on the resistor and the capacitor that were used - the cap discharges and unlatches the transistor. Let me know if you'd like me to send you a schematic. From the mechanical end of it, though, you'd still need to figure out how you're going to get to zero water in the bilge. Strum boxes won't do it; neither will a hose cut at an angle. You'll still need that pocket - but be aware that gruck will collect there and eventually plug up whatever pickup you're using. I think you might have to go with the Pareto Principle on this one. :) Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump...
I think you might be one or two emails behind on this, Norm grins. My concept was something powerful enough to push enough air through the hose to completely eliminate any residual water in the hose which could backflow into the sump or bilge. In a perfect world, the float switch would come on and if you were standing outside looking at the above-water thru-hull, you'd see the water come out and then a big puff of nothing-but-air. Steve Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: banders...@earthlink.net Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:38 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump... There are lots of dry-run pumps available, most every diaphragm pump. I have one for my domestic water that has run dry for hours on occasion without harm. It will push air if given an open discharge, as mine does every time I suck a tank dry and have to switch tanks. Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL I wonder whether anyone makes a run-dry bilge pump which can continue to run and push air through the hose. Steve W ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump...
Thanks, Ben. I think I'll stay with the standard set up I've got and then use the wet/dry vac if I really want to get totally anal and clean and paint the bilge g! I'll be adding a high water sensor in the bilge when I get around to it this summer but the system works okay as is. Or putting it another way, close enough for Government work! S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:41 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump... On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:10:51AM -0400, SteveW wrote: That's waay to much to think about, Ben g! Besides, given the size of our boats compared to Norm's, I'm sure you couldn't fit a milk jug float into your bilge as I certainly couldn't! Sorry, I should have been clearer. What I meant was the general principle of removing the switch from the wet, possibly oily, etc. muck in the bilge, which solves a large number of reliability problems *and* lets you use better quality, industrial-duty switches (instead of whatever the float switch manufacturer sticks you with.) Shallow bilge? No problem: use a long lever - say, a piece of SS TIG welding rod - and solder a carburetor float (or even glue a ping-pong ball) to it. Twist a single loop into the other end of the wire, about an inch from the end, and put a screw through it and into one of your frames right above the bilge. Float rises, back end of your see-saw comes down... fairly obvious how to proceed from there, right? Bonus: if you use the after-run circuit as I'd suggested, you already have a high-gain switch in place - the MOSFET. This means that you can use a low-power switch on the above float - a standard magnetic door sensor, with a sealed reed switch. No moving parts to wear out. All that's left is using a good-quality pump - say, a Johnson, with one of those nifty run-dry neoprene impellers. There ya go, a free engineering session for your dream bilge pump. :) Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump...
live-aboards tend to have stuff like that on our lists... maybe because we don't like waking up with water lapping at our toes??? Just a thought. :) Water, no. Puppies and..oh, never mind. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:56 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] How often do you clean your shower sump... On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 06:05:42PM -0400, SteveW wrote: Thanks, Ben. I think I'll stay with the standard set up I've got and then use the wet/dry vac if I really want to get totally anal and clean and paint the bilge g! Heh. That's my standard procedure, too. I'll be adding a high water sensor in the bilge when I get around to it this summer but the system works okay as is. That's on my project list as well! For some strange reason, we live-aboards tend to have stuff like that on our lists... maybe because we don't like waking up with water lapping at our toes??? Just a thought. :) Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Boy, Vern, that really sucks big time! Presumably, the marina owner takes full responsibility for the damage and will cover all the repair costs? I'm sure there's no comeback in terms of the value of lost sailing time but given the way you describe he never told you about old pilings I'd hate to see you incur any out of pocket expenses to haul and repair. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Vernon Densler Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:22 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat. So not a good day at all. Got the 3 pump and managed to pump the hull out enough to see not only the last thing I expected but the last thing I wanted to see. There is a 4 concrete piling skewering my hull. I was able to slow the water down enough that the sump pump is keeping it almost empty. While we were working on the boat we felt a crunch. I thought it was shifting on the piling and it turns out that there is another piling now piercing the hull just in front of my board case. I was told the slip was shallow when the water was down but was not told that there was all kinds of debris with pointy ends sticking out of the mud. The piling in the back is in the inside of the port hull and the one in the middle towards the front is on the outside of the port hull. The marina owner finally showed up at 4:00 and we put a section of PVC drain pipe under it to try to keep it from going down much more. He is saying now that he is going to jack the port hull out of the water and build cradle to hold the hull so we can repair the holes. Then when the water comes up high enough to float her out without ripping the hull on the spikes we will get her out of there. Hopefully he does this soon so that I don't get any more damage. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Message service
I had been looking at that but never got into the pricing. Is that cost of $0.25 for tracking per “breadcrumb”? Seriously ! And what’s the monthly charge for SPOT service and are there extra costs involved for tracking and/or messages? Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Jim Lynch Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:16 AM To: Live Aboard List Subject: [Liveaboard] Message service http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtdItemDetail.jsp?beginIndex=0item=32265section=10047 For $260 one time and $10/month you get 10 (short) messages (2 way) anywhere in the world. Tracking (breadcrumbs) are $0.25 each. Might be just the thing for some people. Jim. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html wlEmoticon-smile[1].png___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] If you're in the Atlantic watch out for this
There is s much potential humor in possible scenarios that it's taking a great effort of will not to expand on your list, Ben! But those of us who scoff (another word I rarely get to use!) are probably descended from our ancient ancestors who thought if we were meant to fly, we would have been issued wings. I guess the world need off the wall thinkers and tinkerers to ultimately move us forward. But when he gets to the point of launching his little boat for crossing the pond, he should really put little figurines on it, maybe one who looks like the guy on the Mrs. Paul's Fishsticks package, including the foulies and pipe! Can you imagine the reaction of a cruiser coming across this in the middle of the ocean - especially if it's populated with tiny crew figurines? And then have some sort of switch onboard that activated a recording emanating from the figurines mouth when another boat comes close - asking for Grey Poupon or something... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:36 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] If you're in the Atlantic watch out for this On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:12:50PM +, Hugh Barrass (hbarrass) wrote: The POCV is a Proof Of Concept Vehicle. It's just a toy that is designed for cruising a lake for ~2 hours. He's still in the early planning stage for the one that might/could/potentially/maybe cross the Atlantic. The idea is that a small computer could contain a simple algorithm that will self-navigate (with GPS etc.) a tremendously long distance (not a huge stretch); a simple solar collector and drive train could power a vehicle for as long as the life of the hardware (a proven concept); and, of course, a lot of patience. A phrase often seen for cases like this in the RISKS Digest - a list of people highly experienced in engineering/aviation/computer risks and failures - is WHAT COULD *POSSIBLY* GO WRONG? :) Equipment failures Salt encrustation on camera lenses (looks like an obstruction!) Seagulls crapping on the solar panel Bad weather *REALLY* bad weather Ships trying to help the poor lost boat Fishermen, etc. who'd love a nice camera/GPS/computer/solar panel Floating trash fouling the boat A marlin that sees a nice little snack moving on the surface [add 1+ more non-predictable obstacles...] Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components
Well, Ben, I stopped by the HD and there was absolutely nothing resembling anything that would match up with the prongs on the male end (the 50A pedestal side). The guy working the electric department happened to own a boat so he, at least, knew what the hell I was talking about. Guess what his recommendation was - look it up in a Marinco or West Marine catalog... So I figured I completed the circle and am now back where I started from. Fortunately I don't get slips a lot when cruising (I prefer my own hook or a mooring ball) but from asking around I'm getting the impression that most marinas - at least in my cruising area (L.I. Sound, Block, Newport, P-town, etc.) - all have 50A 120/240V pedestals. I'll keep it on board for the just in cases but for the most part, over the years I've been able to get into slips with 30A service. But enough of this. we're heading out Monday for the week and, at least at this point, aren't planning on any marinas Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:14 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 09:24:03AM -0400, SteveW wrote: As it turns out, Ben, I'm sneaking out of the office early this afternoon to go to the boat to some some maintenance (replacing the stock water pump) and there's a Home Depot 10 minutes from the yard. I'll stop in and cruise their electric department to see what they've got. Good recommendation! Good luck - I hope the plug that I remember is the one that fits your needs! Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components
thanks for everyone's feedback and expertise on this topic. I bit the bullet and purchased the 50A, 120/240V dockside to two 30A ship side Y splitters. According to Marinco, this will do the job should I find myself in a slip with 50A dockside power. The issue is that, evidently there are TWO types of dockside 50A service! Most newer marinas, or those with slips for larger yachts have the 120/240 50A pedestals. However, and here's the rub, the older 50A pedestals are wired for just 50A-120V service, and not the 50A-120/240V service. And naturally, they've got different plugs. Since nobody except the marine industry uses these kinds of plugs, I'm back to square one in trying to find an inexpensive adapter which would let me use my 50A-120/240V plug in a 50A-120V older pedestal/service. From what I can tell, I should be okay except for older (or smaller) marinas. And the reality is that since we usually anchor out and rarely head into a slip while cruising, we've only run across this scenario once or twice a season - if that. Most of the time, on those rare occasions when we do find ourselves in a slip, it's served by a 30A pedestal so we're good. If there's only one 30A plug then we plug into ship-side Bus-1 and panel flip the breakers to parallel Bus-1 and Bus-2 and run the a/c (along with everything else) without issues. If there are two 30A pedestal plugs then we use two cords, one to Bus-1 and one to Bus-2 which lets us keep the a/c going and at the same time run the water tank heater element. If we're paralleling the buses with only one cord to the boat then it's and either/or situation between the water tank element or the a/c and the a/c wins every time and we'll use the showers at wherever we've pulled in. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Bob Johnson Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 7:16 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components Here is a link to a chart of all the options http://www.elecordset.com/twistlockplugs-powercordsets.aspx . WW Grainger has them here http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/twist-lock-devices/plugs-and-receptacles/el ectrical/ecatalog/N-8dp Bob PDQ 36 Peace -Original Message- From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com [mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of SteveW Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:55 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components Well, Ben, I stopped by the HD and there was absolutely nothing resembling anything that would match up with the prongs on the male end (the 50A pedestal side). The guy working the electric department happened to own a boat so he, at least, knew what the hell I was talking about. Guess what his recommendation was - look it up in a Marinco or West Marine catalog... So I figured I completed the circle and am now back where I started from. Fortunately I don't get slips a lot when cruising (I prefer my own hook or a mooring ball) but from asking around I'm getting the impression that most marinas - at least in my cruising area (L.I. Sound, Block, Newport, P-town, etc.) - all have 50A 120/240V pedestals. I'll keep it on board for the just in cases but for the most part, over the years I've been able to get into slips with 30A service. But enough of this. we're heading out Monday for the week and, at least at this point, aren't planning on any marinas Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:14 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 09:24:03AM -0400, SteveW wrote: As it turns out, Ben, I'm sneaking out of the office early this afternoon to go to the boat to some some maintenance (replacing the stock water pump) and there's a Home Depot 10 minutes from the yard. I'll stop in and cruise their electric department to see what they've got. Good recommendation! Good luck - I hope the plug that I remember is the one that fits your needs! Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard
Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components
Love to - but sometimes due to other factors we'll end up at one - usually, though, we prefer to anchor out. On those rare occasions where we do pull into a marina, I'd say 99% of the time they've got 30A pedestals and we're good. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: John Sexton Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:08 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components How about the option of not stopping at those marinas? If enough people avoid them, they might either modernize or have spare adapter available for no charge. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components
Wait 'till you get to my age, Norm! The Sr. Moments seem to be getting strung together closer and closer! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Norm Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 11:28 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components Sorry Ben. I just discovered I attributed your text of wisdom to Steve... I get so much of that from the List I get confused sometimes Norm ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components
Norm, I tried googling the FDU-2 but just came up with a bunch of graduation photo's on YouTube. But when I googled the BRCU20-2 Google brought me to these guys. They're a Western US chain so at least you're talking about domestic UPS shipping or something. Has to be less than the $200 shipping the Canadian company quoted. http://www.platt.com/search.aspx?q=brcu20-2 Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Norm Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:42 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Expensive Marine Elect components Ahoy All, I am having problems locating an electrical box in the States that seems to be a common item in Canada. ebhorsman.com shows a bunch of stores southwestern Canada. The item is a two-gang, deep, blank (no holes for wires) plastic outlet box. Could be used for two switches or outlets and is extra deep at 3. Surface mount with four mounting tabs on the back. Model is FDU-2 (another model name: 077649). I need three each with blank covers, BRCU20-2 (or 077359). I did talk to the e b horsman company and was told that shipping would be at least $200! Can anyone help me? Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL 30 23.8N 081 25.7W ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] An elusive plastic box
What about just calling Ipex and asking who sells them domestically or whether you can purchase one direct from them. I had the same experience with ElectroShield when I was looking for waterproof marine data/power connectors. Those connectors are used by virtually all the major electronics manufacturers. I needed about 4 or 5 sets of different connectors and once I explained that I was a person instead of a corporation - and NO, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME!!! - they understood that I really didn't need or want 100 pc lots. Try that approach with Ipex. In terms of the shorepower plug, my stock 30 amp cords are perfectly fine and now with the 50A Dockside to 2-30A Boatside splitter I'm good to go should I ever get into a 50A slip. As I mentioned, I'd only be in one of those marinas about once or twice a summer, if that much. S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Norm Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 12:39 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] An elusive plastic box Ahoy Steve, I went to that web site but did not find the box in question. Thanks for the lead. The covers are available everywhere. What makes the box different is it's extra depth at 3, which gives me the depth I need for several projects. I know they are in the states, there is a distributor, Ipex, in Miami but I have yet to find a retail outlet. As for shore power cable; what I did was to copy the local fishermen in Charleston SC where I built my hull. They all used electric range pigtails, so I did the same. These are three conductor so that might be a problem for those who like to carry a grounding conductor ashore. Then I bought a half dozen range surface mount receptacles, chopped up some 3 conductor number 6 SO cord into two-foot lengths and up made adapters as needed. An important point is how the shore power connector attaches to the boat. Mine goes into the boat via a 3 deck plate on the side of the deckhouse then up a bit (a drip loop) then connects to the line going to the shore power circuit breaker via crimped and soldered ring terminals bolted together and the covered with rubber hose slid over the connection. I have seen some spectacular fireworks on failing shore power connectors but mine have worked well whenever I used them. Norm ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] My new hotmail address
I hate to tell you this, Eric, but if what I heard on the news last night was accurate, you'll be changing it one more time. Evidently, Microsoft is eliminating Hotmail and email addresses will be changed to n...@outlook.com. This link was from Googling the name change alert this morning: http://www.proformative.com/news/1486471/hotmail-changing-outlook Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Eric T. Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:32 PM To: LIVE-ABOARD LIST Subject: [Liveaboard] My new hotmail address This is to announce my new email address. If you look at my signature you will see it. It is fully operational and my Live-Aboard List subscription has been updated. :-) Eric Thompson Brookdale, California erict...@hotmail.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Cool gadget
The price is certainly right, Ben. But I'm curious where you'd be mounting them. I know you mention rail mounting but I can see the load swinging once you're underway. It's one thing to have a static load (20#) but once the natural movement of the boat takes over that 20# static load starts a pendulum motion I'm guessing that would put stress on the clamps that they weren't designed for. Just a thought. In terms of an alternative, I've see purpose-designed propane tank boxes (designed to fit the tank into and also providing a drainage hole at the bottom for any stray leakage) people have either mounted to their deck if there's space, or in one case, screwed to the transom. S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:18 AM To: LiveAboard List Subject: [Liveaboard] Cool gadget Just ran across this while looking for a way to mount a 20# propane bottle to my railing (still thinking; suggestions welcome): http://www.endroad.com/index.php/quick-fist-mounts.html This may or may not work for propane, but these seem like they would be really handy for a number of things on board. Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] New House Batteries
I definitely feel your pain, Norm! If you remember, on Hydro-Therapy I changed out a pair of G-31's for a pair of L-17's for the house bank. Double the capacity in the identical footprint but definitely not the same weight or height!!! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Norm Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:20 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: [Liveaboard] New House Batteries Jan and I changed out our house batteries today. What a job! Removed and carried ashore in the dinghy our four 6-volt Trojan L-16 units and replaced them with six 2-volt L-16 units. Each unit weighed about 130 pounds. We took the rest of the day off... Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL 30 23.8N 081 25.7W ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] New House Batteries
Norm, correct me if I'm wrong here but Eric, I seem to recall those L-17s were about 370 aHrs each. So I went from an approximate 200 aHr house bank to a 370 aHr house bank. As I mentioned in an earlier response to Norm, they've got essentially the identical footprint as a standard G-27 or G-31 12V battery. But if memory serves they're about 17 tall and about 130# each! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Eric T. Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 6:03 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] New House Batteries Norm, What is your new amp/hour rating? Eric Thompson Brookdale, California erict...@hotmail.com - Original Message - From: Norm banders...@earthlink.net To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [Liveaboard] New House Batteries Jan and I changed out our house batteries today. What a job! Removed and carried ashore in the dinghy our four 6-volt Trojan L-16 units and replaced them with six 2-volt L-16 units. Each unit weighed about 130 pounds. We took the rest of the day off... Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL 30 23.8N 081 25.7W ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Norm's batteries?
Those are the 2V ones, Eric. The one's I had, and presumably Norm was talking about are 6V at approx 370 aH so a pair gives you a 12V 370 aH house bank wired together. The ones I had are in the Waste Marine catalog as 8L16s Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Eric T. Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:18 PM To: LIVE-ABOARD LIST Subject: [Liveaboard] Norm's batteries? OK. I looked up L-16 2 volt and found these: Trojan L16RE-2V 1,110 Amp-Hour 2 Volt Deep Cycle Battery. So I guess Norm has 1110 Amp Hours for a house bank. Eric Thompson Brookdale, California erict...@hotmail.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Norm's batteries?
I must have missed that... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Eric T. Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:20 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Norm's batteries? Steve, Norm said they were 2 volt cells. Eric Thompson Brookdale, California erict...@hotmail.com - Original Message - From: SteveW windso...@pipeline.com To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Norm's batteries? Those are the 2V ones, Eric. The one's I had, and presumably Norm was talking about are 6V at approx 370 aH so a pair gives you a 12V 370 aH house bank wired together. The ones I had are in the Waste Marine catalog as 8L16s Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Eric T. Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:18 PM To: LIVE-ABOARD LIST Subject: [Liveaboard] Norm's batteries? OK. I looked up L-16 2 volt and found these: Trojan L16RE-2V 1,110 Amp-Hour 2 Volt Deep Cycle Battery. So I guess Norm has 1110 Amp Hours for a house bank. Eric Thompson Brookdale, California erict...@hotmail.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey
Boy, Vern, you just left the door open for a seriously funny new thread!! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Densler, Vernon R (AS) Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:27 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey The major issue here is that it looks like Norm has had his email compromised in some way so that the spammer was able to get his address book and start spoofing emails from him. My list server has no way of knowing if it is spam or if Norm really wants to tell us all how much he loves Viagra. Vern ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey
A couple of years ago I thought you had mentioned you had access to a couple of discarded telephone poles! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Norm Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:07 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey I sure wish it were around in the early building days. If I had mixed Viagra with my concrete maybe I would have masts by now! Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL 30 23.8N 081 25.7W The major issue here is that it looks like Norm has had his email compromised in some way so that the spammer was able to get his address book and start spoofing emails from him. My list server has no way of knowing if it is spam or if Norm really wants to tell us all how much he loves Viagra. Vern ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] test message
Hi, Norm and Jan, I didn’t realize you were up here in the “north” country! On your way down, will you be stopping at OB? In terms of a Hurricane Hole, we’ve had several cruisers duck into OB and drop several hooks in West Harbor which is a great hurricane hole. From where you normally anchor, you’d head West inside the harbor past Center Island (the Oyster Bay Marine Center and fuel dock would be on your left) you’d make a right into West Harbor. Actually, last year with Irene, I went out to check on the boat the day after the storm and found Steve and Linda Dashew anchored in there onboard their newest creation, Wind Horse, a 65’ steel world cruiser! Given their level of expertise and knowledge, if they like West Harbor as a hurricane hole then that’s good enough for me. I’m heading out today to strip the sails, dodger, bimini, etc., and stuff all below. My mooring (500#) is sufficiently buried into the bottom mud and Captiva should comfortably ride out whatever shows up as a result of Sandy. Last year, the yard dropped a bunch of moorings where you normally drop your hook and moved the boats in their slips out to those moorings. Out of the zillion boats moored in the harbor, they only had one break loose. That one sailed itself through the mooring field without hitting any other boat (amazing) and ended up on the beach with minimal damage. Good luck to all those in the path of Sandy! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V Jan and I are just sitting in our RV in a boatyard in Gloucester visiting our Yankee friends. Expect to leave Monday as Sandy arrives. If anyone reads Ocean Navigator I have an article in the Sept issue and in the Nov/Dec issue so I have been not completely lazy! Glad to know that I am still connected to my List family. Smooth sailing. Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL 30 23.8N 081 25.7W ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html -- Ed Kelly sailing vessel ANGEL LOUISE - Catalac 12m Skype to AttyEdKelly or Skype-in phone: 202-657-6357 attyedke...@gmail.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] test message
Wow, Norm! I didn’t realize you drove up! I just assumed you cruised up and were sitting in a friend’s borrowed RV. I’d tell you then to drive to OB but at this point there’s not a whole hell of a lot of space in the yard. They starting hauling boats on an accelerated based once it appeared that Sandy was going to pay us a visit. I was out there this afternoon to strip the jib and dodger off the boat to prep for the storm. Since I’ve got that “Stack Pak” arrangement on the main, and the biggest threat seems to be high tides and rain (although 50-70 kts of forecast wind still gets your attention) I just spiral wrapped the main around the boom, put some chafe around the mooring lines as they come over the gunnel to the cleats and called it a day. As opposed to Irene, last year, the biggest worry folks have is downed powerlines and excessive flooding. One of the problems is that it looks like Sandy will arrive on a Full Moon (or close enough) so the spring tides could wreak major havoc. S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Norm Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 4:26 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] test message Ahoy Steve, Thank you for thinking of us but: “Jan and I are just sitting in our RV in a boatyard in Gloucester visiting our Yankee friends.” RV stands for Recreational Vehicle, not Running-for-cover Vessel. We do miss OB and all the other stops we usually enjoy on the water but this year we had to drive up north in our little motorhome. Jan says Hi... Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL 30 23.8N 081 25.7W P.S. – Wind Horse is aluminum. We were aboard off Cumberland Island two years ago. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] test message
Wow, Norm! I didn’t realize you drove up! I just assumed you cruised up and were sitting in a friend’s borrowed RV. I’d tell you then to drive to OB but at this point there’s not a whole hell of a lot of space in the yard. They starting hauling boats on an accelerated based once it appeared that Sandy was going to pay us a visit. I was out there this afternoon to strip the jib and dodger off the boat to prep for the storm. Since I’ve got that “Stack Pak” arrangement on the main, and the biggest threat seems to be high tides and rain. Current forecast are calling for sustained 40-50 kts Monday afternoon with some possible gusts to 70 but that’s about it. That kind of wind still gets your attention but I just spiral wrapped the main around the boom, put some chafe around the mooring lines as they come over the gunnel to the cleats and called it a day. As opposed to Irene, last year, the biggest worry folks have is downed powerlines and excessive flooding. One of the problems is that it looks like Sandy will arrive on a Full Moon (or close enough) so the spring tides could wreak major havoc. S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Norm Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 4:26 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] test message Ahoy Steve, Thank you for thinking of us but: “Jan and I are just sitting in our RV in a boatyard in Gloucester visiting our Yankee friends.” RV stands for Recreational Vehicle, not Running-for-cover Vessel. We do miss OB and all the other stops we usually enjoy on the water but this year we had to drive up north in our little motorhome. Jan says Hi... Norm S/V Bandersnatch Lying Julington Creek FL 30 23.8N 081 25.7W P.S. – Wind Horse is aluminum. We were aboard off Cumberland Island two years ago. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] A SAFER WAY TO ANCHOR MANY MODERN BOATS IN A HURRICANE
Hey, Ben, how did you weather the storm? Your normal anchorage or did you move the boat to someplace else. The phones are down in Long Island (not to mention power, trees, and general devastation) so I haven't a clue whether or not I still have a boat. I saw something late last night on one of the coverage's which showed 90+ gusts at Eaton's Neck which is right next to Oyster Bay. At this point, first of all, we're stranded in Manhattan at home (bridges are closed and tunnels are flooded) and even if we could get to Queens I doubt the roads are clear out to the Island and Oyster Bay. It may well be a couple of days before I'm able to either connect with the yard and/or drive out to see what's what. I've lived here my entire life, all 69 years of it, and never saw such a storm or destruction, especially here on Manhattan!!! 4' of water on 1st Avenue and 95th Street??? And in lower Manhattan, around the Battery, it's the first time since a major storm in the late 1800s where the Hudson and East Rivers actually met!!! Just to give you an idea, the measured storm surge for that storm was 11+ feet. Sandy's surge was 13+ feet!!! If you had access to a TV you would have seen water pouring down into the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel like it was coming off a spillway!! S Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:34 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] A SAFER WAY TO ANCHOR MANY MODERN BOATS IN A HURRICANE On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 01:57:05PM -0400, Philip wrote: The JSD is not a sea anchor. It is a drogue. Unlike a sea anchor (para anchor?) It yields to the seas instead of holding fast. This reduces the strain on fittings and allows the boat to become part of the wave action, not in opposition to it. Despite the (admittedly inaccurate) nomenclature, nothing - sea 'anchor' or otherwise - holds fast in the ocean except an actual anchor that is dug into the bottom. The distinction you draw owes much more to marketing than to reality; a large drogue will have more resistance than a small sea anchor, and vice versa, so it's really about the relative size of what you stream rather than its meaningless name. The sea anchor that I used in the first case was smaller than the recommended size for the boat - I was a relatively new sailor back then, and thought that too small was better than none at all (an idea that's got quite a number of failure modes built into it.) In the second case, the sea anchor was just slightly larger than recommended. The biggest difference, however, was that the first vessel, S/V Recessional, was an ocean racer with a fine, tapered stern with very little buoyancy and with a displacement of 4.5 tons with an LOA of 34', while the second, S/V Ulysses, was a motorsailor with a very large, high stern with tremendous buoyancy and more than twice the displacement for the same length. Recessional was a racehorse; Ulysses was a bit of a lumbering bear, a floating home with sails (steady enough at anchor that my ex baked a carrot cake - grated the carrots, etc. - during a 45kt storm that stalled over us, while other people in the same harbor were getting thrown around hard enough to cause bruises.) In both cases, however, the boats found their best position on a Pardey rig; for Recessional, I found this out when anchored in a wind across current situation. Rigging an actual anchor that rode on that rig put us at a very comfortable angle that greatly reduced the rolling. I have very little doubt that it would have worked the same way if I had rigged the sea anchor on it. Perhaps the biggest lesson here is that you have to be aware of your vessel's configuration and make decisions based on that as well as all the other info you have rather than just having a religious faith in a gadget of whatever sort. It's all just tools; you, the skipper, are supposed to be the brain that decides on their proper use and configuration, regardless of what they're called. Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] A SAFER WAY TO ANCHOR MANY MODERN BOATS IN AHURRICANE
I had an email from a friend who’s mooring is right next to mine in the CC area of Oyster Bay. His boat broke free and ended up on the rocks at the western side of Oyster Bay so he evidently “sailed” from one end of the mooring field and out the other end. Don’t know whether he hit anyone else on the way through. Phones are still down so I don’t know what the status of Captive is at this point. Just because my mooring neighbor broke free doesn’t necessarily mean I did so at this point I’m refusing to speculate and just keeping my fingers crossed until I hear something definite one way or the other. I’m going to try and drive out there to put eyeballs on the situation either tomorrow or Friday. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Ed Kelly Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:35 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] A SAFER WAY TO ANCHOR MANY MODERN BOATS IN AHURRICANE Ben, Thanks for the report from Chesapeake City, which we have enjoyed a couple of times on trips through there... Glad you came through so well and hope for the best for all others on the list. Ed On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Ben Okopnik b...@okopnik.com wrote: Hi, Steve - On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:45:10PM -0400, SteveW wrote: Hey, Ben, how did you weather the storm? Your normal anchorage or did you move the boat to someplace else. I was very, very lucky: I've already started my cruise south, and was sitting in Chesapeake City (still there right now) when this happened. The eye went right over us, and... we got about 25kt gusting 35 - at least according to the Army Corps of Engineers weather station that's located about 500 yards from us. Their data is posted to NOAA/NDBC, and available real-time on the Net. All the heavy-duty stuff was to the NE of the eye. In any case, though, it wasn't the wind that did the damage - at the height of it, they were reporting 57mph gusting 72 at JFK; it was the water. Being at the top of these two bays, and in the middle of a canal, we only got about 3 feet extra. You guys got the whole buildup that came up the coast... that long fetch is just murder. By the same token, I suspect - although most of it is a SWAG and a prayer - that your boat is OK. Since all that stuff cam from the south, and you've got a big chunk of land in that direction, you just might have made out fine. That's certainly my big wish for you! We had been invited by a local family - a Coast Guard Auxiliary volunteer who is also a sailor - to spend the night at their place, about a block away from the boat, and took them up on it. Overall, it was the most peaceful hurricane passage, especially one that went right over. My crew now thinks of me as a minor (or perhaps a major) Deity, able to produce luxurious quarters out of thin air on a moment's notice... The phones are down in Long Island (not to mention power, trees, and general devastation) so I haven't a clue whether or not I still have a boat. YouTube has a number of videos of the area from Oyster Bay and Eaton's Neck; most of them don't look like anything bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KnL7MdX1vo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irTuttLlc44 Very cute little girl doing the reporter act :) - and showing the water (relatively calm) in OB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1M5CaourkU Most violent thing I can find is an Eaton's Neck video, showing waves breaking on a bulkhead and spray shooting up about 10'. I'd estimate maybe 35kt gusting 50, no more than that. Another video from Kings Park Bluff at 11am shows 2'-3' seas in open water on Long Island Sound. At this point, first of all, we're stranded in Manhattan at home (bridges are closed and tunnels are flooded) and even if we could get to Queens I doubt the roads are clear out to the Island and Oyster Bay. It may well be a couple of days before I'm able to either connect with the yard and/or drive out to see what's what. Here's hoping for pleasant surprises! I've lived here my entire life, all 69 years of it, and never saw such a storm or destruction, especially here on Manhattan!!! 4' of water on 1st Avenue and 95th Street??? And in lower Manhattan, around the Battery, it's the first time since a major storm in the late 1800s where the Hudson and East Rivers actually met!!! Just to give you an idea, the measured storm surge for that storm was 11+ feet. Sandy's surge was 13+ feet!!! Just insane. I can only imagine what it will take for the recovery. Sheepshead Bay is just wiped out; all of the marinas there are totally destroyed. Coney Island beach looks like a junk pile, with tons of floating garbage left on it by the waves. Incredible. If you had access to a TV you would have seen water pouring down into the Brooklyn Battery
Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Pulsers for Sale
We fared okay with the exception of a bimini deck fitting which pulled out. I can rout out, epoxy, and re-drill and re-attach myself without making any insurance claim. Besides if I had the yard do it, the cost wouldn't come close to my deductible so I didn't make any claim. Other boats weren't so lucky with one boat belonging to a friend of mine was completely totaled. Captive has her bow cleats right on the toerail so when the mooring line loops are over the cleat, there's nothing for them to chafe on. On my friend's boat, his mooring lines ran through chocks to his bow cleats which are mounted inboard and aft of the bow. The resulting chafe (and he did use chafe guards!!!) parted the lines (sustained 65-75 with many gusts to 85-90!!!) and off she went to end up on the rocks at the other side of the harbor. If you send me off-list your 'private' email address, I'll send photo's. Not a pretty site. We're actually planning on sailing this weekend since the forecast is for great weather with temps around 55 so ski clothing should be perfect... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:28 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Pulsers for Sale Hey, Steve - I've been wanting to call you, but my phone died and then went into the drink (yes, in that order, and no, not on purpose :), so I've lost your number. How did you make out with Sandy? How is Captiva? I at least know that you're OK, which is a good thing; I've been trying to catch up with all my friends in the area just to make sure that they are - and everyone seems to be alive and well, for which I'm truly grateful. My temp # is 347-764-6625. Please give me a call when you can. Best, Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
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I’ll send them direct to your email, Ed. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Ed Kelly Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:06 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Pulsers for Sale I would like to see the photos Steve. Thanks. The chafe is the killer. I may have mentioned before that our first surveyor about 15 yrs ago told me he was a former USCG officer engineer and did insurance claim investigations. He said in many many hurricanes he had never seen a boat with a BOW EYE attachment that had been destroyed. Ed Kelly On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:02 PM, SteveW windso...@pipeline.com wrote: We fared okay with the exception of a bimini deck fitting which pulled out. I can rout out, epoxy, and re-drill and re-attach myself without making any insurance claim. Besides if I had the yard do it, the cost wouldn't come close to my deductible so I didn't make any claim. Other boats weren't so lucky with one boat belonging to a friend of mine was completely totaled. Captive has her bow cleats right on the toerail so when the mooring line loops are over the cleat, there's nothing for them to chafe on. On my friend's boat, his mooring lines ran through chocks to his bow cleats which are mounted inboard and aft of the bow. The resulting chafe (and he did use chafe guards!!!) parted the lines (sustained 65-75 with many gusts to 85-90!!!) and off she went to end up on the rocks at the other side of the harbor. If you send me off-list your 'private' email address, I'll send photo's. Not a pretty site. We're actually planning on sailing this weekend since the forecast is for great weather with temps around 55 so ski clothing should be perfect... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:28 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Pulsers for Sale Hey, Steve - I've been wanting to call you, but my phone died and then went into the drink (yes, in that order, and no, not on purpose :), so I've lost your number. How did you make out with Sandy? How is Captiva? I at least know that you're OK, which is a good thing; I've been trying to catch up with all my friends in the area just to make sure that they are - and everyone seems to be alive and well, for which I'm truly grateful. My temp # is 347-764-6625. Please give me a call when you can. Best, Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html -- Ed Kelly sailing vessel ANGEL LOUISE - Catalac 12m Skype to AttyEdKelly or Skype-in phone: 202-657-6357 attyedke...@gmail.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software
[Liveaboard] Sandy - - - - - WAS Re: Battery Pulsers for Sale
Although there are may tragic stories of folks who lost all their family memories - photo's, letters, etc., - which went back, in some cases, generations, one of the recurring themes you hear in TV and Newspaper interviews is that at the end of the day, it's all Stuff. And that includes homes. Not to belittle the tragic loss of all that, especially homes where folks had lived for many generations, most of those interviewed counted themselves lucky to have gotten away without loss of life or injury... Those old enough to remember the major hurricanes in the '30s (I'm not quite there..yet!) say this was the worst storm ever to hit the City and surrounding areas. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:37 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Pulsers for Sale On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:02:23AM -0500, SteveW wrote: We fared okay with the exception of a bimini deck fitting which pulled out. I can rout out, epoxy, and re-drill and re-attach myself without making any insurance claim. Glad to hear it, Steve! It seems that all my friends in the Northeast got away, some with a few scratches, but everyone is OK. Whew. Cold as it may sound to people who just lost property, etc., stuff can be replaced. People aren't quite so fungible. I am indeed sorry for those who have lost things, but... frankly, until I managed to contact all my friends, I felt like there was a heavy stone on my heart. I had at least exchanged email with Steve and knew that he was more or less OK - only the status of the boat was in question - but it took me at least two weeks to get in touch with some of the people that I cared about (phone taking a dive overboard while I was cruising didn't help), and I was NOT a happy camper during that time. Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
