Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 11:34:21PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether: Will you be requiring a projector for this? Yes please! Will you be coming down or can we send someone to borrow your projector for the day? ;-) ps looks like Simon Cozens will be coming down and giving a few talks too Nat's quite keen to attend and I've kinda offered to give Jo a hand sorting out getting the new disk in Penderel, so it looks like we can transport the projector ourselves. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com
Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then they're in for a big shock. ...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing technical books... :-) dha, used some of his editing money to buy a new guitar, though... ITYM used his editing money to buy some of a new guitar :) Hey, maybe it's one of those cheapo 'made in China' jobs. Of course, if it paid for a Martin or a Lowden or something else equally lovely, then well done Mr Adler. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: penderel going down for a little while
On Mon, 21 May 2001, jo walsh wrote: please wibble at me soon if this will cause you problems, or wibble at me or alex tomorrow if there are things you feel you're missing. I don't seem to have my yacht or my large villa in Southern France. Is this your fault? Tony
MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
Using the code below, and calling the routine with a *.jpg file. Why does
the mime_type return text/plain? I've also tried using MIME::Head-read
with a filehandle and it returns the same. I would investigate CPAN further
for clues (and the examples that ActivePerl decided not to include), but it
doesn't seem to want to respond to me today :(
Barbie.
sub parseMIME {
$myfile = shift;
use MIME::Head;
### Parse a new header from a filehandle:
$head = MIME::Head-from_file($myfile);
### The content type (e.g., text/html):
$mime_type = $head-mime_type;
return split(/,$mime_type);
}
Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
At 13:27 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else, but in the past I've had luck
with MIME::Parser using the effective_type() method to get the mime type out of emails.
If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just the file format or filename
or something(e.g. just pointing it at a raw jpeg) I didn't think MIME:: would help.
Could be wrong tho. Apache has some stuff that attempts to do this, but unless you
fancy making your program a mod_perl handler that won't help you much.
use MIME::Parser;
my $parser = new MIME::Parser;
$parser-output_to_core(1);
$parser-decode_headers(1);
my $message;
my $errors;
### Parse input:
my $entity = $parser-parse(\*STDIN) or $errors .= parse failed $!\n;
$message-{head} = $entity-head();
$message-{body}-{attachments} = []; #put attachments (if any) in here
if($message-{body}-{text} = $entity-bodyhandle()) # if it's single part
{
#if they've sent a message that _only_ contains non-text data as a
#single part
if ($entity-effective_type !~ /text/)
...
--
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dunno about your MIME problem (sorry), but somebody on irc mentioned trying cpan2.org instead. Ahh! Got it. Thanks. Found the following: Due to nonuniqueness of MIME encodings, there is a very good chance that your output will not Iexactly resemble your input. So it seems it's taken a best guess, because it didn't understand the encoding. Back to the drawing board. Barbie.
Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else, Isolated file. If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just the file format or filename or something (e.g. just pointing it at a raw jpeg) I didn't think MIME:: would help. Could be wrong tho. Apache has some stuff that attempts to do this, but unless you fancy making your program a mod_perl handler that won't help you much. Unfortunately I have to rely on the standard install of ActivePerl and didn't want to make assumptions based on the extension type of the file. Never mind, I will have to investigate further for future use. Thanks for the help. Barbie.
RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
I don't know if you are parsing mail or something else, Isolated file. If you are trying to figure it out magically based on just the file format or filename or something (e.g. just pointing it at a raw jpeg) I didn't think MIME:: would help. Unfortunately I have to rely on the standard install of ActivePerl and didn't want to make assumptions based on the extension type of the file. Never mind, I will have to investigate further for future use. Thanks for the help. Open up the file, read in the first few bytes and grab the magic number. Most types of binary file have a marker of some kind to designate what they are. Any half decent book on graphics programming should be able to tell you what the magic numbers are for the main graphics types. You can also use this technique to scan hdd's for for files where the file extension has been changed to 'hide it'. I had to look up the numbers a while ago for some software that performed said scan. It's possible I've still got them somewhere... if I have, I'll let you know (or point you in the right direction). Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of IBNet Plc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:48:17PM +0100, Robert Thompson typed: Open up the file, read in the first few bytes and grab the magic number. Most types of binary file have a marker of some kind to designate what they are. Any half decent book on graphics programming should be able to tell you what the magic numbers are for the main graphics types. man 1 file man 5 magic less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems Roger
RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] man 1 file man 5 magic less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems except anything written my MS of course... Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of IBNet Plc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] man 1 file man 5 magic less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems except anything written my MS of course... Which is precisely what this install of ActivePerl sits on. Luckily I have a Linux box too :) Barbie.
RE: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
This site contains info about the raw file formats of numerous graphic types, including sig/header block formats. All useful for anyone wanting to play with graphics. http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/~mxr/gfx/ Rob --- Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of IBNet Plc. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version.
Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 03:06:39PM +0100, Barbie wrote: From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] man 1 file man 5 magic less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems except anything written my MS of course... Which is precisely what this install of ActivePerl sits on. Luckily I have a Linux box too :) It's worth grabbing the master copy of the magic database. I've found that some Linux ones (and even more so on Solaris) tend to be a bit incomplete. ftp://ftp.astron.com/pub/file/ That's the master location for the file(1) command that the BSDs use and it appears to be quite complete. Only it appears to be down right now. Bugger. You could try to grab them from the FreeBSD server, but there's been problems with that recently and it doesn't have an unpacked copy of the source available. Double bugger. Let's try NetBSD: ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-current/src/file/Magdir/ -Dom
Re: Election Manifestos
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:02:33PM +0100, Simon Wistow typed: According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years (bad luck bK). Being that most of the people here seem to be more Left than right (especially the contarctors) how do you lot feel about this. How about don't believe a word of it, anything said between now and the election is purely an attempt to woo gullible representatives of special-interest groups? Labour don't care about actual competent net users (who will probably vote for them anyway, they reckon, and by last week's experience they may be right) but want to look as if they regard crime as a bad thing (still fighting the 1980s council stories, really); the Conservatives reckon that people who want politicians to do something about crime will vote for them anyway, but that competent net users might be wooed. Roger
OT: Eiswein
(because people were talking about it) http://just-drinks.com/news_detail.asp?art=12376dm=yes ROME, May 21 (Reuters) - Canada has won the right to compete with Germany and Austria in supplying Europeans with Icewine, a sugary dessert wine made from grapes harested in freezing temperatures. c. -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
tpj #20
Nobody noticed that in my article's code examples I revealed my pick for sexiest slayer on Buffy. Pout. Nat
Re: Election Manifestos
on 22/5/01 4:02 pm, Simon Wistow wrote: the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years (bad luck bK). It seems that every promise in the Tory manifesto is based on hearsay and rumour about things that people don't like at the moment. From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's bandwagon-jumping. Even if you agree with some, it's unlikely you'll agree with a majority. I have yet to see a Conservative talk eloquently and knowledgably about the subjects they're making promises on. Which is fucking scary. You sort of have to admire their bravado though, in some ghoulish way. c. -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote:
From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's
bandwagon-jumping.
Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically
brainwashed; it's become so de rigeur for parties to completely
disregard the will of the people that when one actually even *claims* to
be concerned about matters that people will get up and shout about,
they're immediately decried.
It's one of those irregular verbs, isn't it: Labour is interested in
what concerns the people; the LibDems are true democrats; the Tories are
jumping on bandwagons.
Not that I'm accusing anyone of hypocracy, of course.
Perhaps bandwagon-jumping is in fact the essence of democracy.
I have yet to see a Conservative talk eloquently and knowledgably about the
subjects they're making promises on.
I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone
ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP?
Which is fucking scary.
This is even scarier, since, under Rule One, they're probably going to get
elected again.
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Attributes galore
This is something like a request for comments.
Playing around with attributes (as per Attribute::Handler), I've done
several more attribute handlers and have also bundled a few into one
module but am not quite sure what to call it. First, here are examples
of those handlers:
1) Attribute::Tools
sub fib :Memoize { ... }# like Attribute::Memoize
sub foo :Abstract { ... }# like Attribute::Abstract
sub color :aka(colour) { ... }# alternative names
sub mywarn : SigHandler(__WARN__) { ... }
# instead of $SIG{__WARN__} = \mywarn;
# keeps you free from implementation details
sub myadd : Overload(+) { ... }
# instead of use overload '+' = \myadd;
The above five attributes are in one module called Attribute::Tools, but
maybe someone has a better name for them. It seems like a waste to have
a separate CPAN module for each of those.
Now some more attributes:
2) Attribute::Export
use Attribute::Export;
sub hello : Export { hello there }
sub askme : ExportOk { export is ok }
# shields you from the Exporter arrays
3) Attribute::INC
use Attribute::INC;
sub traceinc : INC {
my ($self, $file) = @_;
print looking for $file?\n;
return;
}
# installs a coderef-in-@INC
4) Attribute::Documentation
use Attribute::Documentation 'document_module';
document_module
Description = 'Just a sample module',
Author = 'Marcel Grunauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]';
sub new : Description(The constructor) { bless {}, shift }
sub old : Deprecated :Public { print something\n }
# remembers this documentation in a hash structure so you
# can query it later or generate POD from it
(on a related note, it'd be nice to use Class::Contract and/or
Class::MethodMaker to autogenerate documentation for the classes
generated by them)
5) Future idea: XML template match attributes
An XSL-like declarative XML transformation mechanism using a
multimethod-like mechanism implemented via attributes:
sub apply :XPathMatch(//xyz[@name=abc]/def) { ... }
which is expected to return the transformed text, much like an XSL
template does, except it has the power of Perl behind it
6) Future idea: PreAttrHook, PostAttrHook, AUTOATTR
Attribute::Handler could be extended so it recognizes those three
new attributes and calls the PreAttrHook handler before the first
attribute handler on a symbol, and the PostAttrHook handler on the
last one. This way you could override the behavior of any other
handlers, or just keep track of what attributes there are (so you
can report on them later).
If any attribute is used for which there isn't a handler, but there
is an AUTOATTR handler, that one is called instead.
7) Future idea: DefaultAttr
Maybe using a source filter, it might be possible to add an attribute
(let's call it ':DefaultAttr') to each symbol that can possibly have
an attribute, so you can use attributes to do things to each and every
variable and subroutine. This would be really useful for bringing in
aspect-oriented programming. For example, if you wanted to trace all
calls to sub in the Foo package, you might say:
sub DefaultAttr : ATTR(CODE) {
my ($pkg, $symbol) = @_;
print STDERR entering $symbol\n if $pkg eq 'Foo'
}
Any comments, ideas, or contact details of the nearest psychiatric
clinic would be appreciated.
--
$ perl -we time
Useless use of time in void context at -e line 1.
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years (bad luck bK). hmmm .. I was tempted just to let it pass .. but I can't resist ;) What you need to remember is this : They will say ANYTHING to get your vote .. ANYTHING. Remember the U turn Labour did over key escrow as soon as they won the election? ... do you really believe that the Conservatives are any different? .. They are all lying gits who would happily tell you black was white if they thought it would make you vote for em. thank goodness for proportioanl representation, it should make the next parliament a lot more representative of what people actually want, ratehr than a choice between 2 (and a half ) evils. Being that most of the people here seem to be more Left than right (especially the contarctors) how do you lot feel about this. the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang on that ones been done before and had a distinctly negative outcome .. OK .. perhaps someting more subtle then ;) -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Election Manifestos
At 16:02 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if you pretend to be a teenager on the Net you can be jailed for 5 years (bad luck bK). They are politicians. They lie. Although the move to prevent people pretending to be teenagers I find particularly amusing (for dark values of amusing). Let's face it, no-one is very interested in civil rights these days, and especially not on the Internet. This is not an invitation for a flame war, it all got said, done and ^ Pull the other one! :-) Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Election Manifestos
on 22/5/01 4:19 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: thank goodness for proportioanl representation, it should make the next parliament a lot more representative of what people actually want, ratehr than a choice between 2 (and a half ) evils. Errr... no PR yet for general elections! Slight aside, but the Electoral Reform Society urgently needs new members... see http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/ for details of how to join. c. -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
Re: Election Manifestos
Simon Cozens wrote: I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP? Harriet Harman tried to tell me that I didn't really know about computers or the Internet. Personally I don't believe a word anybody says about anything let alone politicians, I just thought it was a good talking point and interesting that the Conservatives seem to be actively persuing the techno-savvy.
Re: Election Manifestos
Chris Heathcote sent the following bits through the ether: It seems that every promise in the Tory manifesto is based on hearsay It'd be okay if they were based on shaggy or fat boy slim... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... It sucks. But why does it suck?
Re: Election Manifestos
At 16:31 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's bandwagon-jumping. Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically brainwashed; i The cynicism of the electorate will rise or fall to match the cynicism of the elected, nothing more. It is always best to judge politicians on what they do, not what they say. This is always a problem for the parties not in power, as they haven't had the chance to do anything. Thus, all they can really do come election time is to point out the things the party in power has done wrong. This then gets called 'negative campaigning'. However, it strikes me as simply being the way modern democracy works and we should just get on with it. We vote for the encumbent party until they screw up big time and then we switch and repeat the process. There's no point judging the parties on what they say they'll do, only on what they did last time they were in power. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Election Manifestos
On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang on that ones been done before and had a distinctly negative outcome .. OK .. perhaps someting more subtle then ;) For whom? Guy Fawkes and co came off badly, and the next 85 years were hardly a bundle of laughs (rising discontent, civil war, puritan dictatorship, baudy restoration, tension) but it ended in a Bill of Rights that led to what's arguably the first constituitonal monarchy in the modern world. Um, sorry, had a minor burst of 17th century history. Won't happen again. -- :: paul :: stay all day :: if you want to
Re: Election Manifestos
on 22/5/01 4:46 pm, Simon Wistow wrote: Simon Cozens wrote: I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP? Harriet Harman tried to tell me that I didn't really know about computers or the Internet. There's a current trend towards minority-interest voting websites (e.g. what does every MP think about gay rights, plus voting record, same for electoral reform, green issues etc. etc.). Is there a computer/privacy/Internet version? (or: is faxyourmp.com doing one? ;) ) c. -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 08:43:39AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then they're in for a big shock. ...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing technical books... :-) dha, used some of his editing money to buy a new guitar, though... ITYM used his editing money to buy some of a new guitar :) Hey, maybe it's one of those cheapo 'made in China' jobs. Of course, if it paid for a Martin or a Lowden or something else equally lovely, then well done Mr Adler. Ah, I wish... The truth is somewhere in between. I got a Burns Marquee. The reason I was able to do so is that, although it's a perfectly good guitar, they weren't selling. When the price dropped by 75% (and I got informed opinions telling me it was not just a piece of junk), I couldn't resist. In fact, if one takes into account how much I saved, it actually *increases* the amount I got paid. :-) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ perl -e 'print Just another P$0-r-l hacker'
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:44:25PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: We vote for the encumbent party until they screw up big time and then we switch and repeat the process. Except we don't while they can arrange for elections to be when everyone's forgotten about their big screwups. Also, in fact, most of the voters are too oblivious to or closed-minded about or basically too damned stupid to recognise their big screw-ups anyway. Besides, what do you call a big screw up? The Dome was a screw-up from start to finish, but it hasn't made a scrap of difference. FM was handled amazingly badly, but that hasn't made any difference either. Nor has the Hindujas, or Mandelson or Robinson. The NHS? Health of the nation not quite a big enough screw-up? Or the schools? Deciding who should govern us is far too important to be left to the plebs. There's no point judging the parties on what they say they'll do, only on what they did last time they were in power. Right, yes, which is why we - sorry, you plural, I was way out of the country at the time - elected Labour based on their fantastic performance last time which lead to the General Strike and the Winter of Discontent. Sorry, a nanosecond of thought would show that that is complete bullshit. -- In related wibbling, I can see an opening for the four lusers of the Apocalypse... I didn't change anything, My e-mail doesn't work, I can't print and Is the network broken?. - Paul Mc Auley
Eh up! Abysinnia!
Greg McCarroll and his (extraordinarily) lovely wife have, for the time being, sufficiently brainwashed me as to convince me to for some indeterminate amount of time, muck-in this kooky kerfuffle. And lastly, in the tradition of me old beloved ny.pm, but not leastly (but yeastly), BEER. The international language of love... second to Perl of course. If you haven't guessed, i'm from the states. # obscurite was here On Tue, 22 May 2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 08:43:39AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then they're in for a big shock. ...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing technical books... :-) dha, used some of his editing money to buy a new guitar, though... ITYM used his editing money to buy some of a new guitar :) Hey, maybe it's one of those cheapo 'made in China' jobs. Of course, if it paid for a Martin or a Lowden or something else equally lovely, then well done Mr Adler. Ah, I wish... The truth is somewhere in between. I got a Burns Marquee. The reason I was able to do so is that, although it's a perfectly good guitar, they weren't selling. When the price dropped by 75% (and I got informed opinions telling me it was not just a piece of junk), I couldn't resist. In fact, if one takes into account how much I saved, it actually *increases* the amount I got paid. :-) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ perl -e 'print Just another P$0-r-l hacker'
Re: Election Manifestos
At 17:01 22/05/01 +0100, you wrote: Right, yes, which is why we - sorry, you plural, I was way out of the country at the time - elected Labour based on their fantastic performance last time which lead to the General Strike and the Winter of Discontent. Sorry, a nanosecond of thought would show that that is complete bullshit. Not so. Labour were voted in on the basis of the Tories screw ups. Like I said, we vote against the party that has most recently screwed up. Labour hasn't screwed up yet. The economy is pretty OK, house prices haven't crashed, unemployment is OK. This is what people vote on. No-one really cares about the dome. No-one cares about asylum seekers unless they live in Dover. No-one cares about building 500,000 houses unless they are going to be built right next to them. No-one even cares that much about crime unless they've been a victim of it during the last government. No-one cares about the NHS unless they or a relative have a serious illness. Remember - Economy, property prices, unemployment. Get those right, avoid foreign wars (can be OK, but too risky), and you stay in power. Simple. It helps if you kiss babies and have charisma, but that's hardly a new thing. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Eh up! Abysinnia!
At 12:06 22/05/01 -0400, you wrote: If you haven't guessed, i'm from the states. Ah. So 'Mars' wasn't too close. :-) -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:16:41PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Labour were voted in on the basis of the Tories screw ups. Yes, so what you said about the party's previous record as, indeed, irrelevant. Labour hasn't screwed up yet. Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Oh, and fix your bloody line length. -- Thus spake the master programmer: After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless. -- Geoffrey James, The Tao of Programming
RE: Election Manifestos
From: Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 4:03 PM According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means font size=bloody huge We're going to repeal IR35 /font font size=microscopic ...and replace it with something else that does the same thing /font Plus ca change... Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Election Manifestos
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:23:32PM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed: I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about it? The actual text is: A future Conservative Government will repeal IR35 and replace it with legislation that addresses genuine abuses. In other words, it'll be in the pockets of whichever lobby group pays them most at the time, just as the Labour one was. The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. And get a shell account, why don't you?
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:37:23PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about it? But I wanna type, I wanna type, I wanna type! Roger, where we come from we have a word for people like that. -- I did write and prove correct a 20-line program in January, but I made the mistake of testing it on our VAX and it had an error, which two weeks of searching didn't uncover, so there went one publication out the window. - David Gries, 1980
Re: Election Manifestos
on 22/5/01 5:26 pm, Robin Szemeti wrote: Errr... no PR yet for general elections! really .. are you sure ? .. I'm certain this lot said they were going to do something about that ... how odd. It was part of the buttering-up in case of a need for a Lib-Lab pact. It's certainly been pushed on the back burner. I feel more strongly about this than any particular party... c. -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
On Tue, 22 May 2001, David H. Adler wrote: Hey, maybe it's one of those cheapo 'made in China' jobs. Of course, if it paid for a Martin or a Lowden or something else equally lovely, then well done Mr Adler. Ah, I wish... The truth is somewhere in between. I got a Burns Marquee. The reason I was able to do so is that, although it's a perfectly good guitar, they weren't selling. seen em .. not bad. I'd one day like a Patrick Eggle 'Berlin' right now I'm enjoying a cute little Steinberger headless .. dirt cheap these days and rather fun. :) Best of all its so small .. add in a Korg Pandora 2 personal effects/amp and you have the ultimate hotel room practice set up. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
Robert Thompson wrote: This site contains info about the raw file formats of numerous graphic types, including sig/header block formats. And there's always http://www.wotsit.org/ The Programmer's File Format Collection. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Happy Happy Joy Joy!
David H. Adler wrote: dha, who thinks the overseas copies got somehow shipped before the domestic ones... I *think* I read once that that's their policy. It's a nice move, since overseas people have to wait longer anyway -- so if their copies are shipped earlier, they might just get them no more than a couple of months after Americans start crowing about the latest issue of TPJ on IRC or mailing lists. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Election Manifestos
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: [SNIP!] Please fix your mailer to do proper In-Reply-To and References headers. It's really really annoying. Leon -- ... Money is the root of all wealth
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:25:36PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Your sigfile is a mighty repository of evil. Martin
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 06:49:01PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: [SNIP!] Please fix your mailer to do proper In-Reply-To and References headers. It's really really annoying. I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. Paul
[OT] Food exports?
Someone just laid what I think is a fresh urban myth on me, but is there any kind of embargo on comestibles going from England to France? Like even wrapped chocolate? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: [OT] Food exports?
embargo has been due to foot and mouth, embargo is bi-directional and covers meat as well. - Original Message - From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [OT] Food exports? Someone just laid what I think is a fresh urban myth on me, but is there any kind of embargo on comestibles going from England to France? Like even wrapped chocolate? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: [OT] Food exports?
Here's the leaflets given to travellers http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf - Original Message - From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [OT] Food exports? Someone just laid what I think is a fresh urban myth on me, but is there any kind of embargo on comestibles going from England to France? Like even wrapped chocolate? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: [OT] Food exports?
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Barry Pretsell wrote: Here's the leaflets given to travellers http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf Strangely enough .. I have friends in North Wales who had reason to have speach (in welsh, unsurprisingly) with a local farmer the other day. Seems last year he struggled to get 10 quid a head for his lambs ... and his mate on Anglesey ended up burying his. This year he got 120 quid a head, and someone was kind enough to turn up and shoot them all for him as well. Spread like wildfire in bits of North Wales it did .. amazing. I can't tell you how upset he was .. mainly cos its got too many 'll's in it. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: [OT] Food exports?
Barry Pretsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's the leaflets given to travellers http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf oops :-) -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: [OT] Food exports?
Barry Pretsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: embargo has been due to foot and mouth, embargo is bi-directional and covers meat as well. Any references to this? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
[announce] Tie::Hash::Rank
I've just put a complete version of Tie::Hash::Rank on my webshite for your enjoyment. I'd be grateful if some of you could download it and test it before I submit it to CPAN. http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/tech/Tie-Hash-Rank-1.0.tar.gz It has what I hope is a comprehensive test suite anyway, but many eyes make bugs leap out of the screen and bash me over the head :-) -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 11:11:23AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. They just innovated threading! Tell me you're joking. Martin
Re: [announce] Tie::Hash::Rank
On Tuesday, May 22, 2001, at 09:32 PM, David Cantrell wrote: I've just put a complete version of Tie::Hash::Rank on my webshite for 'webshite'? shurely shome mishtake? your enjoyment. I'd be grateful if some of you could download it and test it before I submit it to CPAN. http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/tech/Tie-Hash-Rank-1.0.tar.gz It has what I hope is a comprehensive test suite anyway, but many eyes make bugs leap out of the screen and bash me over the head :-) Looks good. Also works with Attribute::TieClasses (once I had replaced the '#!/usr/bin/perl -w' with 'use warnings', mysteriously). Marcel -- $ perl -we time Useless use of time in void context at -e line 1.
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Paul Mison wrote: On 22/05/2001 at 16:19 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: the immediate feeling I get is to rent some cellars at the houses of parliament and invest in a number of big barrels of gunpowder .. oh hang on that ones been done before and had a distinctly negative outcome .. OK .. perhaps someting more subtle then ;) For whom? Guy Fawkes yup .. thats what was putting me off the plan. but it ended in a Bill of Rights that led to what's arguably the first constituitonal monarchy in the modern world. umm .. hang on .. wasn't that another pre-election promise I remember from the last time we had a government given to us? ... yeah .. I'm sure one lot was wittering on about having a proper bill of rights .. whose lot was that then? ... -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: hmmm .. I was tempted just to let it pass .. but I can't resist ;) What you need to remember is this : They will say ANYTHING to get your vote .. ANYTHING. Even the truth? I'd very much doubt that. Alex Gough -- I don't believe that honesty leads to madness. I don't believe we need delusions to stay sane. I don't believe the truth is strewn with booby-traps, waiting to swallow up anyone who thinks too much. There is nowhere to fall -- not unless you stand there digging the hole.
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 09:14:05PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 11:11:23AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: I *loathe* Exchange. But they fixed references in 6.0! No, wait, they just introduced a load of Thread-* headers :-( Fucking morons. They just innovated threading! Tell me you're joking. If I was joking I wouldn't have ignore Thread- in my .muttrc :-( Received: from 157.54.9.100 by mail3.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall +NT); Thu, 10 May 2001 16:41:42 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Received: from red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.12.71]) by +inet-imc-03.redmond.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2883); Thu, 10 May 2001 16:43:41 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4688.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: +[EMAIL PROTECTED] + X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Subject line goes here. Thread-Index: AcDZqhhI7VsxDWt9TIyjVP5af1xC5wAANWVg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2001 23:43:41.0352 (UTC) +FILETIME=[0AFF6A80:01C0D9AB] Paul
Re: [announce] Tie::Hash::Rank
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:17:18PM +0200, Marcel Grunauer wrote: Looks good. Also works with Attribute::TieClasses (once I had replaced the '#!/usr/bin/perl -w' with 'use warnings', mysteriously). Perhaps because I have a 'no warnings' in T::H::R? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our most advanced operating system in the world which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh
Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 03:06:39PM +0100, Barbie wrote: From: Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Roger Burton West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] man 1 file man 5 magic less /usr/share/misc/magic # on many systems except anything written my MS of course... Which is precisely what this install of ActivePerl sits on. Luckily I have a Linux box too :) It's worth grabbing the master copy of the magic database. I've found that some Linux ones (and even more so on Solaris) tend to be a bit incomplete. ftp://ftp.astron.com/pub/file/ Also sites like http://www.wotsit.org contain lots of info on file formats. Thanks Gareth
