Re: Mid 2010 MacBOok Pro and Win 7
Yes, that's correct as I had to add the bluetooth via boot camp when I wanted to add bluetooth support when running windows under Fusion. On 26 Jun 2011, at 01:18, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Chris, > Fusion's documentation specifically calls for the installation of the > bootcamp drivers from the OS X DVD in this particular case, as it happens. > Almost anything else I can bridge, but not a lot of Apple's proprietary > hardware. > Best and thanks, > Zack. > On Jun 25, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> I could be wrong, but why not bridge the drivers from your OSX installation? >> I don't think the drivers installation is meant to be used with VM machines >> like in Fusion. I think, if I understand correctly, that is only used if >> you're installing Windows completely independently with Bootcamp. >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:33 PM >> Subject: Mid 2010 MacBOok Pro and Win 7 >> >> >> Hi All, >> I'm trying to make my Fusion installation complete by installing the >> bootcamp drivers for Windows 7 32-bit. WHo knows, I might want WIndows to >> talk to something bluetooth-related some day or, perhaps, my webcam. >> I run into a problem when running the setup file from the OS X dvd, however. >> The setup program fails to even get properly started, but doesn't give a >> meaningful error code. This is behavior I've seen reported on forums via >> Google searches, but no definitive answer has come up as far as I know. >> So, does the mid 2010 MBP support win 7? I'd think so, but would appreciate >> clarification. Why on earth could the bootcamp drivers be doing this? >> Best and thanks for any help, >> Zack. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mid 2010 MacBOok Pro and Win 7
HI SHen, I don't know what version I'm installing, but I presume it's probably pre-3.1. The issue is that I need 3.1 for Win7 support, but I need 3.0 before I can install the 3.1 update. 3.0 isn't installing with Fusion properly for some reason, so we have a catch 22. THanks for the help, Zack. On Jun 25, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Shen wrote: > Hi, > I don't have much of an answer for you. But I know that I have successfully > installed Bootcamp and Windows 7 on my mid-2010 MBP. > So you definitely should be able to install bootcamp. > What version of bootcamp are you installing? There are some issues with > drivers that came with the bootcamp version that was included with the mbp. > You want version 3.2 or later. > It took me and a Genius Bar guy about 2 hours before we figured it out. My > problem was that when I plugged my headphones into the headphones jack, the > sound is muted on the speakers, but is not routed to the headphones. So > consequently, no sound with headphones. > Otherwise, everything else worked. > > > On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I'm trying to make my Fusion installation complete by installing the >> bootcamp drivers for Windows 7 32-bit. WHo knows, I might want WIndows to >> talk to something bluetooth-related some day or, perhaps, my webcam. >> I run into a problem when running the setup file from the OS X dvd, however. >> The setup program fails to even get properly started, but doesn't give a >> meaningful error code. This is behavior I've seen reported on forums via >> Google searches, but no definitive answer has come up as far as I know. >> So, does the mid 2010 MBP support win 7? I'd think so, but would appreciate >> clarification. Why on earth could the bootcamp drivers be doing this? >> Best and thanks for any help, >> Zack. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mid 2010 MacBOok Pro and Win 7
Hi, I don't have much of an answer for you. But I know that I have successfully installed Bootcamp and Windows 7 on my mid-2010 MBP. So you definitely should be able to install bootcamp. What version of bootcamp are you installing? There are some issues with drivers that came with the bootcamp version that was included with the mbp. You want version 3.2 or later. It took me and a Genius Bar guy about 2 hours before we figured it out. My problem was that when I plugged my headphones into the headphones jack, the sound is muted on the speakers, but is not routed to the headphones. So consequently, no sound with headphones. Otherwise, everything else worked. On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi All, > I'm trying to make my Fusion installation complete by installing the bootcamp > drivers for Windows 7 32-bit. WHo knows, I might want WIndows to talk to > something bluetooth-related some day or, perhaps, my webcam. > I run into a problem when running the setup file from the OS X dvd, however. > The setup program fails to even get properly started, but doesn't give a > meaningful error code. This is behavior I've seen reported on forums via > Google searches, but no definitive answer has come up as far as I know. > So, does the mid 2010 MBP support win 7? I'd think so, but would appreciate > clarification. Why on earth could the bootcamp drivers be doing this? > Best and thanks for any help, > Zack. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mid 2010 MacBOok Pro and Win 7
Hi Chris, Fusion's documentation specifically calls for the installation of the bootcamp drivers from the OS X DVD in this particular case, as it happens. Almost anything else I can bridge, but not a lot of Apple's proprietary hardware. Best and thanks, Zack. On Jun 25, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I could be wrong, but why not bridge the drivers from your OSX installation? > I don't think the drivers installation is meant to be used with VM machines > like in Fusion. I think, if I understand correctly, that is only used if > you're installing Windows completely independently with Bootcamp. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:33 PM > Subject: Mid 2010 MacBOok Pro and Win 7 > > > Hi All, > I'm trying to make my Fusion installation complete by installing the bootcamp > drivers for Windows 7 32-bit. WHo knows, I might want WIndows to talk to > something bluetooth-related some day or, perhaps, my webcam. > I run into a problem when running the setup file from the OS X dvd, however. > The setup program fails to even get properly started, but doesn't give a > meaningful error code. This is behavior I've seen reported on forums via > Google searches, but no definitive answer has come up as far as I know. > So, does the mid 2010 MBP support win 7? I'd think so, but would appreciate > clarification. Why on earth could the bootcamp drivers be doing this? > Best and thanks for any help, > Zack. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mid 2010 MacBOok Pro and Win 7
I could be wrong, but why not bridge the drivers from your OSX installation? I don't think the drivers installation is meant to be used with VM machines like in Fusion. I think, if I understand correctly, that is only used if you're installing Windows completely independently with Bootcamp. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" To: Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:33 PM Subject: Mid 2010 MacBOok Pro and Win 7 Hi All, I'm trying to make my Fusion installation complete by installing the bootcamp drivers for Windows 7 32-bit. WHo knows, I might want WIndows to talk to something bluetooth-related some day or, perhaps, my webcam. I run into a problem when running the setup file from the OS X dvd, however. The setup program fails to even get properly started, but doesn't give a meaningful error code. This is behavior I've seen reported on forums via Google searches, but no definitive answer has come up as far as I know. So, does the mid 2010 MBP support win 7? I'd think so, but would appreciate clarification. Why on earth could the bootcamp drivers be doing this? Best and thanks for any help, Zack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mid 2010 MacBOok Pro and Win 7
Hi All, I'm trying to make my Fusion installation complete by installing the bootcamp drivers for Windows 7 32-bit. WHo knows, I might want WIndows to talk to something bluetooth-related some day or, perhaps, my webcam. I run into a problem when running the setup file from the OS X dvd, however. The setup program fails to even get properly started, but doesn't give a meaningful error code. This is behavior I've seen reported on forums via Google searches, but no definitive answer has come up as far as I know. So, does the mid 2010 MBP support win 7? I'd think so, but would appreciate clarification. Why on earth could the bootcamp drivers be doing this? Best and thanks for any help, Zack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Is this still enough was average ram for a blind user?
Hi Neil and all, I have read through the messages on this topic up-to-date and found them very helpful. Neil in your opinion will 4gig still be enough to run Amadeus pro? From messages on this list I understand that is what I will need to use to convert some of my remaining vinyl records to CD when I get my iMac. Thanks for the opinions. Max. Original Message Subject: Re: average ram for a blind user? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:18:05 +0100 you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the basic Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb is more than enough. things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, oh and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about this over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old wives tail. true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green with envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more than the RAM in the machine. save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, roughly, most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are handling hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and e-mail to millions. the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is more than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers can press the buttons to achieve the goal. I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, as more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are wasting your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start mixing up the decks, or creating your very own commercial home movies, then lets re-think, but Minister Miller, assuming this is a divinity related title, if the most you are doing is the odd e-mail, the odd Surinam for Sunday service, and a like, then seriously, 4Gb... hum, on second thoughts, is God on WiFi, you might need an extra WiFi base station... :) grin. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatible memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high quality video or audio editing. What do you all think or know about these numbers and comments? Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
2 of my macs have 2 GB of ram, and I'm able to run the mac and windows side by side without problems. My other mac has 4 GB, certainly if you can afford more ram, go for it, it certainly won't hurt any. On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > CJ, no one said 2Gb was enough, but on my 3 MAc's with 4Gb each, they never > do that busy thing with pages, no-one is saying that to little is enough, but > that there is a cross over between not enough and enough, and over board. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:55, CJ Daniel wrote: > > Really, > > Have you tried looking through the hundreds of templates in the opening > screen of Pages? Every time you arrow to another template image there are > moments of "Pages Busy," while the VoiceOver tries to process the info. And, > I've got two gigs of ram. Disagree wholeheartedly. The more ram, the faster > your screen reader will respond. That's always been my experience, despite > what the tech's say. > > CJ > > > On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it >> comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic >> word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes >> etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. >> >> yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then >> you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the basic >> Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb is more >> than enough. >> >> things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, oh >> and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite >> literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. >> >> this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be >> forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about this >> over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice >> absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just >> doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old >> wives tail. >> >> true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my >> current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green with >> envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more than the >> RAM in the machine. >> >> save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. >> >> put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, roughly, >> most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are handling >> hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and e-mail to >> millions. >> >> the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab >> between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is >> more than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers can >> press the buttons to achieve the goal. >> >> I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, as >> more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are wasting >> your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. >> >> *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start >> mixing up the decks, or creating your very own commercial home movies, then >> lets re-think, but Minister Miller, assuming this is a divinity related >> title, if the most you are doing is the odd e-mail, the odd Surinam for >> Sunday service, and a like, then seriously, 4Gb... hum, on second thoughts, >> is God on WiFi, you might need an extra WiFi base station... :) grin. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few >> basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. >> Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more >> than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no >> exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that >> the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This
Apple TV Updates
Hello all, Has anyone else experienced difficulty updating their Apple TV lately? Like others, I've been having trouble with my Apple TV lately, so I went to the Apple Store today and got a new one. I was able to set my new up just fine, but it won't update. I keep getting an "update was unsuccessful" error message. Until I can update the Apple TV, U suspect I will continue to have problems... I tried Netflix, for example, without updating, and I had the same problems I had with the old unit. Thanks for any suggestions, Brian M -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
Geoff, if we're going to become pedantic, I seriously doubt the handful of blind users to respond to the query represent a fair and proportional user base to make such an assumption that their is no average, or median amount of RAM. based on the real life sales of Apple Mac's and the likely proportion of blind users, on an assumption that the usage patterns of the blind community parity that of the sighted world. it is very likely that the vast and overriding significant majority of users of Mac's who are blind use their machines for day to day tasks, such as e-mail, internet browsing, word processing, spread sheets, address books, calendars etc. audio editing and video content editing is a far smaller proportion of the computer usage market, and this will translate, I feel very confidently, across the blindness sector. as such, just because 10 or so people on this list state that they use all manner of RAM amounts, if we had access to Apple's database of MAc's with Voice Over enabled, and cross referenced the assay list of those machines components / specification, I believe most virulently, that we'd see, forgive the pun, a very clear and defined amount of RAM being used. it is my belief that this amount would not exceed 4Gb, and may in fact be more likely 2Gb. therefore, sticking so exactly to your wording, the average RAM for a blind user, would in my view, and I'm happy to try and investigate this if needs be, is likely as stated all along, not higher than 4Gb. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:13, Geoff Shang wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > the original author of the question asked, and its in the subject line of the > message, how much RAM does the average user need. Actually, it was "average ram for a blind user?" And I think the flurry of answers here demonstrates that there really is no single answer. Everyone uses their computer for different things, and each person should assess their computing needs inline with what their particular needs are, not just some perceived need of some typical user. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
A Question About Kiwi
Hello List, I remember seeing a post from someone who said used Kiwi as a Twitter app. How exactly can I (1) send replies and (2) send direct messages using Kiwi? Any other tips and features that you may want to share regarding the Kiwi app are welcome. Thanks, Silly Ez www.sillyez.com (512) 553-8553 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SillyEz -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: the original author of the question asked, and its in the subject line of the message, how much RAM does the average user need. Actually, it was "average ram for a blind user?" And I think the flurry of answers here demonstrates that there really is no single answer. Everyone uses their computer for different things, and each person should assess their computing needs inline with what their particular needs are, not just some perceived need of some typical user. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
Everyone has an opinion? Isn't that what you asked for? Grin Since you say you already know what you want, then don't keep us in this awful & lingering suspense. Please share & put us out of our email flying, dander rising misery. CJ On Jun 25, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Actually, I was asking for an opinion, on how much an average blind user may > use on a day to day basis, since there were conflicting statements on other > lists that I'm on. It's not going to move me either way since I know what I > want. Everyone has an opinion. > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 > Sent from my IMac > > On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, >> >> indeed, I did not wish it to sound patronising or aggressive, and re-reading >> it, I do not believe it does, and I am sorry if you think it does, >> >> but I stand by what I'm saying here. the original author of the question >> asked, and its in the subject line of the message, how much RAM does the >> average user need. >> >> the average user is not audio editing and other things that you are, thus >> your answer, in my view and opinion, serves to muddy and confuse the >> watrees. bringing into the picture that you benefited from a RAM increase, >> and do not regret it, makes the original author think, oh, maybe I will, >> which is why I followed up your original post, by asking you why you did it, >> what your machine spec was, and what you used it for. >> >> the answer showed me you were not a typical or average user, thus your >> response should have been constructed in that way... >> >> i.e. to say that you, as a person who uses their Mac for Audio editing, >> found the increase in RAM to be of benefit, but that for an average user you >> feel or would expect x, or that for an average user you do not know. >> >> all of my messages I backup with sound practice and experience, I qualify >> why I am saying what I am saying and on what bases and understanding, this >> gives the reader the opportunity to assess the validity of my response. >> >> I hope that this clears up my message and my reason for being a little >> negative, which I accept I was, but for a reason. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:10, Naama Shang wrote: >> >> I am sure you did not mean for your message to sound as aggressive and >> patronising as it did, so I am just going to pretend I did not see it. >> Naama >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Naama, >>> >>> so you are advocating more RAM to a basic user with minimal requirements, >>> on the bases that your usage benefited from an increase in RAM, when by >>> your own statement, your usage is not normal or minimal. you are doing a >>> lot with audio, this is not a usual usage pattern, granted the Mac is >>> easily capable of it, but I doubt that most users are doing what you are. >>> >>> the key to the response for the person originally asking, is what they're >>> needs are, they've not mentioned audio editing etc. thus we as responsible >>> respondents should not be bringing that aspect into the mix, it just serves >>> to confuse. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:39, Naama Shang wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the >>> machined plan to do all my audio work on it. >>> Naama >>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>> Naama, you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard drive, what cache level etc. you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for you. I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. what I am sa
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Clifton, we're going off the topic thread here, but I have three Mac's as I have an Air for portable things, an iMac which is our family desktop and a Mini which is my cinema media server. anyway, I was not talking about me saving money, only that we cannot make money saving guesses on behalf of someone who has not stated that they are happy to burn as many pennies as are available. one assumes someone asking how much to buy, is asking so that they do not over kill a machine, and as such do not spend more then they need to. if money were no object, they'd likely, note, likely, spend whatever necessary to get the maximum performance. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:45, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: For arguments sake, wouldn't it have been cheaper for you to get 12 gigs of ram in one machine, then to by 3 with 4 gigs each? Were talking about to much, to little, and cost effective things, but now you say you have 3 macs with 4 gigs each, isn't that a bit redundant? Kliphton SR (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 Sent from my IMac On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > CJ, no one said 2Gb was enough, but on my 3 MAc's with 4Gb each, they never > do that busy thing with pages, no-one is saying that to little is enough, but > that there is a cross over between not enough and enough, and over board. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:55, CJ Daniel wrote: > > Really, > > Have you tried looking through the hundreds of templates in the opening > screen of Pages? Every time you arrow to another template image there are > moments of "Pages Busy," while the VoiceOver tries to process the info. And, > I've got two gigs of ram. Disagree wholeheartedly. The more ram, the faster > your screen reader will respond. That's always been my experience, despite > what the tech's say. > > CJ > > > On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it >> comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic >> word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes >> etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. >> >> yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then >> you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the basic >> Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb is more >> than enough. >> >> things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, oh >> and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite >> literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. >> >> this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be >> forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about this >> over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice >> absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just >> doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old >> wives tail. >> >> true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my >> current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green with >> envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more than the >> RAM in the machine. >> >> save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. >> >> put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, roughly, >> most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are handling >> hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and e-mail to >> millions. >> >> the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab >> between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is >> more than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers can >> press the buttons to achieve the goal. >> >> I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, as >> more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are wasting >> your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. >> >> *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start >> mixing up the decks, or creating your
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I thought it did, too. CJ P.S. As Riccardo pointed out, not only does it help with processor intensive applications like Garage Band, but you're, also, purchasing some room to grow in the future as operating systems & applications grow. I thought it was an excellent point that needed to be highlighted. On Jun 25, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, > > indeed, I did not wish it to sound patronising or aggressive, and re-reading > it, I do not believe it does, and I am sorry if you think it does, > > but I stand by what I'm saying here. the original author of the question > asked, and its in the subject line of the message, how much RAM does the > average user need. > > the average user is not audio editing and other things that you are, thus > your answer, in my view and opinion, serves to muddy and confuse the watrees. > bringing into the picture that you benefited from a RAM increase, and do not > regret it, makes the original author think, oh, maybe I will, which is why I > followed up your original post, by asking you why you did it, what your > machine spec was, and what you used it for. > > the answer showed me you were not a typical or average user, thus your > response should have been constructed in that way... > > i.e. to say that you, as a person who uses their Mac for Audio editing, found > the increase in RAM to be of benefit, but that for an average user you feel > or would expect x, or that for an average user you do not know. > > all of my messages I backup with sound practice and experience, I qualify why > I am saying what I am saying and on what bases and understanding, this gives > the reader the opportunity to assess the validity of my response. > > I hope that this clears up my message and my reason for being a little > negative, which I accept I was, but for a reason. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:10, Naama Shang wrote: > > I am sure you did not mean for your message to sound as aggressive and > patronising as it did, so I am just going to pretend I did not see it. > Naama > On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, >> >> so you are advocating more RAM to a basic user with minimal requirements, on >> the bases that your usage benefited from an increase in RAM, when by your >> own statement, your usage is not normal or minimal. you are doing a lot with >> audio, this is not a usual usage pattern, granted the Mac is easily capable >> of it, but I doubt that most users are doing what you are. >> >> the key to the response for the person originally asking, is what they're >> needs are, they've not mentioned audio editing etc. thus we as responsible >> respondents should not be bringing that aspect into the mix, it just serves >> to confuse. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:39, Naama Shang wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the >> machined plan to do all my audio work on it. >> Naama >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Naama, >>> >>> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >>> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >>> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >>> drive, what cache level etc. >>> >>> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but >>> the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed >>> things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things >>> better for you. >>> >>> I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you >>> likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. >>> >>> what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good >>> specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to >>> anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
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Actually, I was asking for an opinion, on how much an average blind user may use on a day to day basis, since there were conflicting statements on other lists that I'm on. It's not going to move me either way since I know what I want. Everyone has an opinion. Kliphton SR (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 Sent from my IMac On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, > > indeed, I did not wish it to sound patronising or aggressive, and re-reading > it, I do not believe it does, and I am sorry if you think it does, > > but I stand by what I'm saying here. the original author of the question > asked, and its in the subject line of the message, how much RAM does the > average user need. > > the average user is not audio editing and other things that you are, thus > your answer, in my view and opinion, serves to muddy and confuse the watrees. > bringing into the picture that you benefited from a RAM increase, and do not > regret it, makes the original author think, oh, maybe I will, which is why I > followed up your original post, by asking you why you did it, what your > machine spec was, and what you used it for. > > the answer showed me you were not a typical or average user, thus your > response should have been constructed in that way... > > i.e. to say that you, as a person who uses their Mac for Audio editing, found > the increase in RAM to be of benefit, but that for an average user you feel > or would expect x, or that for an average user you do not know. > > all of my messages I backup with sound practice and experience, I qualify why > I am saying what I am saying and on what bases and understanding, this gives > the reader the opportunity to assess the validity of my response. > > I hope that this clears up my message and my reason for being a little > negative, which I accept I was, but for a reason. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:10, Naama Shang wrote: > > I am sure you did not mean for your message to sound as aggressive and > patronising as it did, so I am just going to pretend I did not see it. > Naama > On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, >> >> so you are advocating more RAM to a basic user with minimal requirements, on >> the bases that your usage benefited from an increase in RAM, when by your >> own statement, your usage is not normal or minimal. you are doing a lot with >> audio, this is not a usual usage pattern, granted the Mac is easily capable >> of it, but I doubt that most users are doing what you are. >> >> the key to the response for the person originally asking, is what they're >> needs are, they've not mentioned audio editing etc. thus we as responsible >> respondents should not be bringing that aspect into the mix, it just serves >> to confuse. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:39, Naama Shang wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the >> machined plan to do all my audio work on it. >> Naama >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Naama, >>> >>> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >>> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >>> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >>> drive, what cache level etc. >>> >>> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but >>> the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed >>> things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things >>> better for you. >>> >>> I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you >>> likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. >>> >>> what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good >>> specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to >>> anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS r
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For arguments sake, wouldn't it have been cheaper for you to get 12 gigs of ram in one machine, then to by 3 with 4 gigs each? Were talking about to much, to little, and cost effective things, but now you say you have 3 macs with 4 gigs each, isn't that a bit redundant? Kliphton SR (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 Sent from my IMac On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > CJ, no one said 2Gb was enough, but on my 3 MAc's with 4Gb each, they never > do that busy thing with pages, no-one is saying that to little is enough, but > that there is a cross over between not enough and enough, and over board. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:55, CJ Daniel wrote: > > Really, > > Have you tried looking through the hundreds of templates in the opening > screen of Pages? Every time you arrow to another template image there are > moments of "Pages Busy," while the VoiceOver tries to process the info. And, > I've got two gigs of ram. Disagree wholeheartedly. The more ram, the faster > your screen reader will respond. That's always been my experience, despite > what the tech's say. > > CJ > > > On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it >> comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic >> word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes >> etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. >> >> yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then >> you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the basic >> Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb is more >> than enough. >> >> things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, oh >> and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite >> literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. >> >> this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be >> forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about this >> over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice >> absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just >> doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old >> wives tail. >> >> true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my >> current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green with >> envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more than the >> RAM in the machine. >> >> save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. >> >> put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, roughly, >> most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are handling >> hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and e-mail to >> millions. >> >> the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab >> between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is >> more than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers can >> press the buttons to achieve the goal. >> >> I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, as >> more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are wasting >> your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. >> >> *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start >> mixing up the decks, or creating your very own commercial home movies, then >> lets re-think, but Minister Miller, assuming this is a divinity related >> title, if the most you are doing is the odd e-mail, the odd Surinam for >> Sunday service, and a like, then seriously, 4Gb... hum, on second thoughts, >> is God on WiFi, you might need an extra WiFi base station... :) grin. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few >> basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. >> Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more >> than 4
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Naama, indeed, I did not wish it to sound patronising or aggressive, and re-reading it, I do not believe it does, and I am sorry if you think it does, but I stand by what I'm saying here. the original author of the question asked, and its in the subject line of the message, how much RAM does the average user need. the average user is not audio editing and other things that you are, thus your answer, in my view and opinion, serves to muddy and confuse the watrees. bringing into the picture that you benefited from a RAM increase, and do not regret it, makes the original author think, oh, maybe I will, which is why I followed up your original post, by asking you why you did it, what your machine spec was, and what you used it for. the answer showed me you were not a typical or average user, thus your response should have been constructed in that way... i.e. to say that you, as a person who uses their Mac for Audio editing, found the increase in RAM to be of benefit, but that for an average user you feel or would expect x, or that for an average user you do not know. all of my messages I backup with sound practice and experience, I qualify why I am saying what I am saying and on what bases and understanding, this gives the reader the opportunity to assess the validity of my response. I hope that this clears up my message and my reason for being a little negative, which I accept I was, but for a reason. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:10, Naama Shang wrote: I am sure you did not mean for your message to sound as aggressive and patronising as it did, so I am just going to pretend I did not see it. Naama On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, > > so you are advocating more RAM to a basic user with minimal requirements, on > the bases that your usage benefited from an increase in RAM, when by your own > statement, your usage is not normal or minimal. you are doing a lot with > audio, this is not a usual usage pattern, granted the Mac is easily capable > of it, but I doubt that most users are doing what you are. > > the key to the response for the person originally asking, is what they're > needs are, they've not mentioned audio editing etc. thus we as responsible > respondents should not be bringing that aspect into the mix, it just serves > to confuse. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:39, Naama Shang wrote: > > Hi, > I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the > machined plan to do all my audio work on it. > Naama > On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, >> >> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >> drive, what cache level etc. >> >> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the >> implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things >> down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for >> you. >> >> I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you >> likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. >> >> what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good >> specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to >> anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:58, Naama Shang wrote: >> >> I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the least. >> Ram, compared to other things,is relatively inexpensive, and the results are >> well worth it. >> Naama >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:48, CJ Daniel wrote: >> >>> Kliff, >>> >>> I was a programmer for years, starting back in the mid-80's. I got my >>> first PC in, about, '90 or '91, when we were all using DOS 3.5. I've gone >>> through all the successions. I.E. various versions of
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Hi, In the case of audio, I think 4GB is the low end of acceptable. I'm a heavy garageband user and you will notice the difference between 4 and 8GB depending on the resource your project demands. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, & AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jun 25, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Geoff, > > sorry, just as the iMac ships with Garage Band, and other high end intensive > applications pre installed, they do not auto run at start up, so in other > words, a bottom end Mac Mini with the minimal spec verse an iMac fully loaded > with 16Gb of RAM and the max of everything else, will still load at start up > the same amount of things and the same applications, a slight variation of > drivers etc, but essentially the same stuff. > > now this means that at this moment, the iMac could have survived with the > same spec as the Mini, with the same performance levels, its only when you > start loading stuff into RAM, which is user driven, that the issues might, > and I stress might, begin to occur. I do not launch any of these things on my > machine, and 4Gb is way more than enough. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:45, Geoff Shang wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, > > I'm Naama's husband. Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped > make the decision. > >> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >> drive, what cache level etc. > > This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard > drive. We bought it with the extra RAM. > >> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the >> implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things >> down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for >> you. > > Actually, she didn't imply this. She actually said: > > "I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst." > > This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just > that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb. > > It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of RAM > for the foreseeable future. But macs are not cheap. As things are, we could > not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because another computer > died and we felt it was time to make the switch. As such, we felt that 8 gb > of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as possible without being a > major expense. > > It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. Yes, > it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly that 4 gb > of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software. But the fact is that it > does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things. > > Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion. I can't help but > wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with. > > I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the > most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it. Certainly it won't harm > anything. If things are running fine and you can't really justify the > expense, don't worry about it for now. > > Geoff. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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I am sure you did not mean for your message to sound as agressive and patronising as it did, so I am just going to pretend I did not see it. Naama On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, > > so you are advocating more RAM to a basic user with minimal requirements, on > the bases that your usage benefited from an increase in RAM, when by your own > statement, your usage is not normal or minimal. you are doing a lot with > audio, this is not a usual usage pattern, granted the Mac is easily capable > of it, but I doubt that most users are doing what you are. > > the key to the response for the person originally asking, is what they're > needs are, they've not mentioned audio editing etc. thus we as responsible > respondents should not be bringing that aspect into the mix, it just serves > to confuse. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:39, Naama Shang wrote: > > Hi, > I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the macand > plan to do all my audio work on it. > Naama > On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, >> >> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >> drive, what cache level etc. >> >> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the >> implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things >> down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for >> you. >> >> I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you >> likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. >> >> what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good >> specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to >> anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:58, Naama Shang wrote: >> >> I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst. >> Ram, compared to other things,is relatively inexpensive, and the results are >> well worth it. >> Naama >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:48, CJ Daniel wrote: >> >>> Kliff, >>> >>> I was a programmer for years, starting back in the mid-80's. I got my >>> first PC in, about, '90 or '91, when we were all using DOS 3.5. I've gone >>> through all the successions. I.E. various versions of DOS, Windows 3.1, >>> '95, '98 SE, ME, XP, Vista & now Apple Mac. I suppose there can come a >>> time when a user is buying more memory than they really need. But, through >>> out all of those experiences, the rule-of-thumb where memory was concerned, >>> especially for those users who were adding the huge overhead of screen >>> reading technology, was, "the more the merrier." In fact, my understanding >>> for the new OS upgrade called Lion is that you need @ least 2GB to run it. >>> I'm looking @ upgrading my 2 Gigs to as much as Little Mama will hold. My >>> advice is, shove as much as you can in there & just enjoy the results. >>> >>> CJ >>> >>> >>> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatable memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or know about these numbers and comments? Sent from Minister Miller's IPhon
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Geoff, sorry, just as the iMac ships with Garage Band, and other high end intensive applications pre installed, they do not auto run at start up, so in other words, a bottom end Mac Mini with the minimal spec verse an iMac fully loaded with 16Gb of RAM and the max of everything else, will still load at start up the same amount of things and the same applications, a slight variation of drivers etc, but essentially the same stuff. now this means that at this moment, the iMac could have survived with the same spec as the Mini, with the same performance levels, its only when you start loading stuff into RAM, which is user driven, that the issues might, and I stress might, begin to occur. I do not launch any of these things on my machine, and 4Gb is way more than enough. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:45, Geoff Shang wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, I'm Naama's husband. Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped make the decision. > you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how > much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, what > bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard drive, > what cache level etc. This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard drive. We bought it with the extra RAM. > you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the > implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things > down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for > you. Actually, she didn't imply this. She actually said: "I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst." This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb. It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of RAM for the foreseeable future. But macs are not cheap. As things are, we could not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because another computer died and we felt it was time to make the switch. As such, we felt that 8 gb of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as possible without being a major expense. It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. Yes, it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly that 4 gb of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software. But the fact is that it does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things. Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion. I can't help but wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with. I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it. Certainly it won't harm anything. If things are running fine and you can't really justify the expense, don't worry about it for now. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Not necessarily. You might be saving money long term by making the purchase you make today, able to handle demands you will make of it in the future. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, & AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > Why though? Surely that conflicts with saving money? > > On 25/06/2011, Kaare Dehard wrote: >> Hi folks, I just saved my pennies and maxed out my machines as much as >> I can afford. macbook pro and imac all with 8.On 2011-06-25, at 12:45 PM, >> Geoff Shang wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>> Naama, >>> >>> I'm Naama's husband. Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped >>> make the decision. >>> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard drive, what cache level etc. >>> >>> This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard >>> drive. We bought it with the extra RAM. >>> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for you. >>> >>> Actually, she didn't imply this. She actually said: >>> >>> "I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst." >>> >>> This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just >>> that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb. >>> >>> It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of >>> RAM for the foreseeable future. But macs are not cheap. As things are, >>> we could not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because >>> another computer died and we felt it was time to make the switch. As >>> such, we felt that 8 gb of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as >>> possible without being a major expense. >>> >>> It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. >>> Yes, it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly >>> that 4 gb of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software. But the fact >>> is that it does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things. >>> >>> Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion. I can't help >>> but wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with. >>> >>> I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the >>> most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it. Certainly it won't >>> harm anything. If things are running fine and you can't really justify >>> the expense, don't worry about it for now. >>> >>> Geoff. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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CJ, no one said 2Gb was enough, but on my 3 MAc's with 4Gb each, they never do that busy thing with pages, no-one is saying that to little is enough, but that there is a cross over between not enough and enough, and over board. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:55, CJ Daniel wrote: Really, Have you tried looking through the hundreds of templates in the opening screen of Pages? Every time you arrow to another template image there are moments of "Pages Busy," while the VoiceOver tries to process the info. And, I've got two gigs of ram. Disagree wholeheartedly. The more ram, the faster your screen reader will respond. That's always been my experience, despite what the tech's say. CJ On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it > comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic > word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes > etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. > > yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then > you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the basic > Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb is more > than enough. > > things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, oh > and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite > literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. > > this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be > forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about this > over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice > absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just > doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old wives > tail. > > true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my > current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green with > envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more than the > RAM in the machine. > > save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. > > put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, roughly, > most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are handling > hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and e-mail to > millions. > > the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab > between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is more > than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers can press > the buttons to achieve the goal. > > I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, as > more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are wasting > your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. > > *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start > mixing up the decks, or creating your very own commercial home movies, then > lets re-think, but Minister Miller, assuming this is a divinity related > title, if the most you are doing is the odd e-mail, the odd Surinam for > Sunday service, and a like, then seriously, 4Gb... hum, on second thoughts, > is God on WiFi, you might need an extra WiFi base station... :) grin. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > > Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few > basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. > Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more > than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, > but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more > ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem > to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a > waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, > but there are third party sellers out there with compatible memory for just > about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the > only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high > quali
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Hi, This has almost nothing to do with RAM. Its just a voiceover issue. There are people with Mac pros that get busy prompts from voiceover and there just opening safari. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, & AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:55 PM, CJ Daniel wrote: > Really, > > Have you tried looking through the hundreds of templates in the opening > screen of Pages? Every time you arrow to another template image there are > moments of "Pages Busy," while the VoiceOver tries to process the info. And, > I've got two gigs of ram. Disagree wholeheartedly. The more ram, the faster > your screen reader will respond. That's always been my experience, despite > what the tech's say. > > CJ > > > On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it >> comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic >> word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes >> etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. >> >> yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then >> you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the basic >> Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb is more >> than enough. >> >> things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, oh >> and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite >> literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. >> >> this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be >> forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about this >> over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice >> absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just >> doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old >> wives tail. >> >> true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my >> current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green with >> envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more than the >> RAM in the machine. >> >> save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. >> >> put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, roughly, >> most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are handling >> hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and e-mail to >> millions. >> >> the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab >> between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is >> more than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers can >> press the buttons to achieve the goal. >> >> I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, as >> more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are wasting >> your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. >> >> *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start >> mixing up the decks, or creating your very own commercial home movies, then >> lets re-think, but Minister Miller, assuming this is a divinity related >> title, if the most you are doing is the odd e-mail, the odd Surinam for >> Sunday service, and a like, then seriously, 4Gb... hum, on second thoughts, >> is God on WiFi, you might need an extra WiFi base station... :) grin. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few >> basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. >> Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more >> than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no >> exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that >> the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This >> person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money >> on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it >> comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatible >> memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person >> said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were >> doing some high quality video or audio editing. What do you all think or >> know about these numbers and comments? >> >> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >> >> --
Re: average ram for a blind user?
In your, some what, over flown opinion. CJ On Jun 25, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > why not max it out, because its a waste of money, you may have it to burn, > but you need to remember that many people are asking advice of the list > members, as they do not, and they are asking if the need to upgrade is a > genuine need with some level of impact that they are going to notice and > appreciate for their hard earned money. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:01, Kimberly thurman wrote: > > I have a late 2009 13 inch Macbook Pro with a 2.26 GHZ processor and 8 gigs > of ram. I run Windows 7 under Fusion and OSX side by side with Voice Over > and Jaws 12 both running. I have had several applications running on both > sides at once very successfully. JAWS still crackles and slightly stutters > minimally and quite randomly. If you're going to open it up, why not max it > out. I used a third part 8 gig ram kit. I don't remember the brand, but as > long as it has the same specs, it will do the trick. > On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:24 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few >> basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. >> Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more >> than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no >> exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that >> the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This >> person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money >> on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it >> comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatable >> memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person >> said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were >> doing some high quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or >> know about these numbers and comments? >> >> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: IMAP configuration for Yahoo mail on a Mac
Okay, I heard you can get a free email address with your new mac, is this true? Kliphton SR (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 Sent from my IMac On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:54 PM, matthew Dyer on Mac Mini wrote: > Mail is an e-mail client found on your mac. It can be found in the doc. HTH. > > > On Jun 24, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> where do you get mac mail from? Is this an email address or a mail client. >> Kliphton SR >> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >> (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 >> Sent from my IMac >> >> On Jun 24, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Marc wrote: >> >>> I have a Yahoo! Plus email account and am trying to configure my >>> MacMail to access it. *I do *not* want POP access. Does anybody know >>> if it is possible to set up MacMail with a Yahoo account for IMAP? I >>> cannot find any good documentation online. I searched the archives of >>> this group but mostly found instructions for gmail or ISP mail. >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: IMAP configuration for Yahoo mail on a Mac
Mail is an e-mail client found on your mac. It can be found in the doc. HTH. On Jun 24, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > where do you get mac mail from? Is this an email address or a mail client. > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 > Sent from my IMac > > On Jun 24, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Marc wrote: > >> I have a Yahoo! Plus email account and am trying to configure my >> MacMail to access it. *I do *not* want POP access. Does anybody know >> if it is possible to set up MacMail with a Yahoo account for IMAP? I >> cannot find any good documentation online. I searched the archives of >> this group but mostly found instructions for gmail or ISP mail. >> Thanks >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
I Have the mid 2011 Imac, and it comes with the 3.4 I7 quad core processor. You can't even take advantage of this processor's speed without having at least 8 gigs of ram. I found a 8 gig kit, and my Imac already has 4 gigs of ram, and has 4 slots for memory, so after dropping this 8 gig kit in my imac, I will have 12 gigs. This ram upgrade is only costing me 90 bucks including shipping, and to me considering apple charges over 200 for this upgrade, to me that's not a bad deal. Anyone who is interested can go to crucial.com it will safely scans your system, tell you what year, size, how many memory slots you have, and what memory you need for your model. HTH Kliphton SR (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Google Voice) 657-229-2105 Sent from my IMac On Jun 25, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, > > I'm Naama's husband. Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped > make the decision. > >> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >> drive, what cache level etc. > > This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard > drive. We bought it with the extra RAM. > >> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the >> implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things >> down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for >> you. > > Actually, she didn't imply this. She actually said: > > "I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst." > > This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just > that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb. > > It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of RAM > for the foreseeable future. But macs are not cheap. As things are, we could > not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because another computer > died and we felt it was time to make the switch. As such, we felt that 8 gb > of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as possible without being a > major expense. > > It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. Yes, > it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly that 4 gb > of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software. But the fact is that it > does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things. > > Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion. I can't help but > wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with. > > I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the > most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it. Certainly it won't harm > anything. If things are running fine and you can't really justify the > expense, don't worry about it for now. > > Geoff. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
if, I'm happy with the upgrade, does not imply that it was worth it, then what does it mean, that they are happy that they are down by the money they spent? that the machine now uses that little more electricity, I don't see how it could be interpreted differently. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:45, Geoff Shang wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, I'm Naama's husband. Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped make the decision. > you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how > much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, what > bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard drive, > what cache level etc. This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard drive. We bought it with the extra RAM. > you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the > implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things > down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for > you. Actually, she didn't imply this. She actually said: "I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst." This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb. It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of RAM for the foreseeable future. But macs are not cheap. As things are, we could not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because another computer died and we felt it was time to make the switch. As such, we felt that 8 gb of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as possible without being a major expense. It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. Yes, it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly that 4 gb of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software. But the fact is that it does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things. Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion. I can't help but wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with. I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it. Certainly it won't harm anything. If things are running fine and you can't really justify the expense, don't worry about it for now. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
Naama, so you are advocating more RAM to a basic user with minimal requirements, on the bases that your usage benefited from an increase in RAM, when by your own statement, your usage is not normal or minimal. you are doing a lot with audio, this is not a usual usage pattern, granted the Mac is easily capable of it, but I doubt that most users are doing what you are. the key to the response for the person originally asking, is what they're needs are, they've not mentioned audio editing etc. thus we as responsible respondents should not be bringing that aspect into the mix, it just serves to confuse. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:39, Naama Shang wrote: Hi, I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the macand plan to do all my audio work on it. Naama On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, > > you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how > much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, what > bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard drive, > what cache level etc. > > you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the > implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things > down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for > you. > > I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you > likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. > > what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good > specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to > anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:58, Naama Shang wrote: > > I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst. > Ram, compared to other things,is relatively inexpensive, and the results are > well worth it. > Naama > On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:48, CJ Daniel wrote: > >> Kliff, >> >> I was a programmer for years, starting back in the mid-80's. I got my first >> PC in, about, '90 or '91, when we were all using DOS 3.5. I've gone through >> all the successions. I.E. various versions of DOS, Windows 3.1, '95, '98 >> SE, ME, XP, Vista & now Apple Mac. I suppose there can come a time when a >> user is buying more memory than they really need. But, through out all of >> those experiences, the rule-of-thumb where memory was concerned, especially >> for those users who were adding the huge overhead of screen reading >> technology, was, "the more the merrier." In fact, my understanding for the >> new OS upgrade called Lion is that you need @ least 2GB to run it. I'm >> looking @ upgrading my 2 Gigs to as much as Little Mama will hold. My >> advice is, shove as much as you can in there & just enjoy the results. >> >> CJ >> >> >> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few >>> basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. >>> Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no >>> more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no >>> exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that >>> the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This >>> person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money >>> on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when >>> it comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with >>> compatable memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing >>> this person said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is >>> if you were doing some high quality video or audio editting. What do you >>> all think or know about these numbers and comments? >>> >>> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.googl
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why not max it out, because its a waste of money, you may have it to burn, but you need to remember that many people are asking advice of the list members, as they do not, and they are asking if the need to upgrade is a genuine need with some level of impact that they are going to notice and appreciate for their hard earned money. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 17:01, Kimberly thurman wrote: I have a late 2009 13 inch Macbook Pro with a 2.26 GHZ processor and 8 gigs of ram. I run Windows 7 under Fusion and OSX side by side with Voice Over and Jaws 12 both running. I have had several applications running on both sides at once very successfully. JAWS still crackles and slightly stutters minimally and quite randomly. If you're going to open it up, why not max it out. I used a third part 8 gig ram kit. I don't remember the brand, but as long as it has the same specs, it will do the trick. On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:24 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few > basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. > Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more > than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, > but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more > ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem > to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a > waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, > but there are third party sellers out there with compatable memory for just > about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the > only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high > quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or know about these > numbers and comments? > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Why though? Surely that conflicts with saving money? On 25/06/2011, Kaare Dehard wrote: > Hi folks, I just saved my pennies and maxed out my machines as much as > I can afford. macbook pro and imac all with 8.On 2011-06-25, at 12:45 PM, > Geoff Shang wrote: > >> On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Naama, >> >> I'm Naama's husband. Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped >> make the decision. >> >>> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >>> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >>> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >>> drive, what cache level etc. >> >> This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard >> drive. We bought it with the extra RAM. >> >>> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but >>> the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed >>> things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things >>> better for you. >> >> Actually, she didn't imply this. She actually said: >> >> "I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst." >> >> This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just >> that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb. >> >> It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of >> RAM for the foreseeable future. But macs are not cheap. As things are, >> we could not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because >> another computer died and we felt it was time to make the switch. As >> such, we felt that 8 gb of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as >> possible without being a major expense. >> >> It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. >> Yes, it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly >> that 4 gb of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software. But the fact >> is that it does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things. >> >> Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion. I can't help >> but wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with. >> >> I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the >> most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it. Certainly it won't >> harm anything. If things are running fine and you can't really justify >> the expense, don't worry about it for now. >> >> Geoff. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi folks, I just saved my pennies and maxed out my machines as much as I can afford. macbook pro and imac all with 8.On 2011-06-25, at 12:45 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Naama, > > I'm Naama's husband. Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped > make the decision. > >> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how >> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, >> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard >> drive, what cache level etc. > > This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard > drive. We bought it with the extra RAM. > >> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the >> implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things >> down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for >> you. > > Actually, she didn't imply this. She actually said: > > "I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst." > > This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just > that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb. > > It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of RAM > for the foreseeable future. But macs are not cheap. As things are, we could > not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because another computer > died and we felt it was time to make the switch. As such, we felt that 8 gb > of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as possible without being a > major expense. > > It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. Yes, > it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly that 4 gb > of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software. But the fact is that it > does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things. > > Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion. I can't help but > wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with. > > I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the > most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it. Certainly it won't harm > anything. If things are running fine and you can't really justify the > expense, don't worry about it for now. > > Geoff. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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That sounds like a problem with disk io, not a lack of ram. Problem is, if there is one fairly technical computer word that consumers are aware of, its ram, so shops / people who don't really know what they're talking about suggest a ram upgrade for everything. I would be willing to put money on the problem going away or not happening as much if you went from a 5400RPM drive to a 7200RPM or an SSD, assuming we're talking about a laptop. On 25/06/2011, CJ Daniel wrote: > Really, > > Have you tried looking through the hundreds of templates in the opening > screen of Pages? Every time you arrow to another template image there are > moments of "Pages Busy," while the VoiceOver tries to process the info. > And, I've got two gigs of ram. Disagree wholeheartedly. The more ram, the > faster your screen reader will respond. That's always been my experience, > despite what the tech's say. > > CJ > > > On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it >> comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic >> word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes >> etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. >> >> yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then >> you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the >> basic Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb >> is more than enough. >> >> things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, >> oh and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite >> literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. >> >> this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be >> forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about >> this over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice >> absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just >> doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old >> wives tail. >> >> true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my >> current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green >> with envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more >> than the RAM in the machine. >> >> save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. >> >> put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, >> roughly, most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are >> handling hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and >> e-mail to millions. >> >> the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab >> between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is >> more than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers >> can press the buttons to achieve the goal. >> >> I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, >> as more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are >> wasting your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. >> >> *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start >> mixing up the decks, or creating your very own commercial home movies, >> then lets re-think, but Minister Miller, assuming this is a divinity >> related title, if the most you are doing is the odd e-mail, the odd >> Surinam for Sunday service, and a like, then seriously, 4Gb... hum, on >> second thoughts, is God on WiFi, you might need an extra WiFi base >> station... :) grin. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a >> few basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of >> things. Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user >> needs no more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a >> waste. I'm no exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and >> have found that the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, >> mac or PC. This person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, >> that spending money on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is >> a little pricy when it comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out >> there with compatible memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 >> more thing this person said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be >> necessary is if you were doing some high quality video or audio editing. >> What do you all think or kno
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Really, Have you tried looking through the hundreds of templates in the opening screen of Pages? Every time you arrow to another template image there are moments of "Pages Busy," while the VoiceOver tries to process the info. And, I've got two gigs of ram. Disagree wholeheartedly. The more ram, the faster your screen reader will respond. That's always been my experience, despite what the tech's say. CJ On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it > comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic > word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes > etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. > > yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then > you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the basic > Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb is more > than enough. > > things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, oh > and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite > literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. > > this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be > forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about this > over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice > absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just > doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old wives > tail. > > true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my > current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green with > envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more than the > RAM in the machine. > > save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. > > put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, roughly, > most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are handling > hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and e-mail to > millions. > > the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab > between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is more > than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers can press > the buttons to achieve the goal. > > I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, as > more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are wasting > your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. > > *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start > mixing up the decks, or creating your very own commercial home movies, then > lets re-think, but Minister Miller, assuming this is a divinity related > title, if the most you are doing is the odd e-mail, the odd Surinam for > Sunday service, and a like, then seriously, 4Gb... hum, on second thoughts, > is God on WiFi, you might need an extra WiFi base station... :) grin. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > > Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few > basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. > Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more > than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, > but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more > ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem > to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a > waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, > but there are third party sellers out there with compatible memory for just > about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the > only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high > quality video or audio editing. What do you all think or know about these > numbers and comments? > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscri
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Naama, I'm Naama's husband. Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped make the decision. you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard drive, what cache level etc. This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard drive. We bought it with the extra RAM. you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for you. Actually, she didn't imply this. She actually said: "I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst." This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb. It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of RAM for the foreseeable future. But macs are not cheap. As things are, we could not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because another computer died and we felt it was time to make the switch. As such, we felt that 8 gb of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as possible without being a major expense. It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. Yes, it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly that 4 gb of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software. But the fact is that it does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things. Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion. I can't help but wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with. I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it. Certainly it won't harm anything. If things are running fine and you can't really justify the expense, don't worry about it for now. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi, I do quite a bit on my machine, especially in audio. I am learning the macand plan to do all my audio work on it. Naama On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:28, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Naama, > > you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how > much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, what > bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard drive, > what cache level etc. > > you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the > implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things > down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for > you. > > I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you > likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. > > what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good > specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to > anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:58, Naama Shang wrote: > > I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst. > Ram, compared to other things,is relatively inexpensive, and the results are > well worth it. > Naama > On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:48, CJ Daniel wrote: > >> Kliff, >> >> I was a programmer for years, starting back in the mid-80's. I got my first >> PC in, about, '90 or '91, when we were all using DOS 3.5. I've gone through >> all the successions. I.E. various versions of DOS, Windows 3.1, '95, '98 >> SE, ME, XP, Vista & now Apple Mac. I suppose there can come a time when a >> user is buying more memory than they really need. But, through out all of >> those experiences, the rule-of-thumb where memory was concerned, especially >> for those users who were adding the huge overhead of screen reading >> technology, was, "the more the merrier." In fact, my understanding for the >> new OS upgrade called Lion is that you need @ least 2GB to run it. I'm >> looking @ upgrading my 2 Gigs to as much as Little Mama will hold. My >> advice is, shove as much as you can in there & just enjoy the results. >> >> CJ >> >> >> On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few >>> basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. >>> Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no >>> more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no >>> exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that >>> the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This >>> person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money >>> on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when >>> it comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with >>> compatable memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing >>> this person said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is >>> if you were doing some high quality video or audio editting. What do you >>> all think or know about these numbers and comments? >>> >>> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macv
Re: average ram for a blind user?
Naama, you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard drive, what cache level etc. you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for you. I'm not saying that you did not notice a benefit, but I'm saying that you likely would have noted one no matter what component you upgraded. what I am saying is that on a 2010 or even 2009 model Mac, with a good specification all round, the difference in performance from 4Gb RAM to anything above, will not be noticed by the average user whatsoever. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:58, Naama Shang wrote: I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst. Ram, compared to other things,is relatively inexpensive, and the results are well worth it. Naama On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:48, CJ Daniel wrote: > Kliff, > > I was a programmer for years, starting back in the mid-80's. I got my first > PC in, about, '90 or '91, when we were all using DOS 3.5. I've gone through > all the successions. I.E. various versions of DOS, Windows 3.1, '95, '98 SE, > ME, XP, Vista & now Apple Mac. I suppose there can come a time when a user > is buying more memory than they really need. But, through out all of those > experiences, the rule-of-thumb where memory was concerned, especially for > those users who were adding the huge overhead of screen reading technology, > was, "the more the merrier." In fact, my understanding for the new OS > upgrade called Lion is that you need @ least 2GB to run it. I'm looking @ > upgrading my 2 Gigs to as much as Little Mama will hold. My advice is, shove > as much as you can in there & just enjoy the results. > > CJ > > > On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few >> basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. >> Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more >> than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no >> exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that >> the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This >> person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money >> on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it >> comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatable >> memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person >> said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were >> doing some high quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or >> know about these numbers and comments? >> >> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
Hi, I have that same machine. If you weren't running Windows under bootcamp, would you still think you need that much? My machine with just 2gb seems fine, though that may change if I get Lion. Which I want as I heard Zoom is offering Windowed Magnification in the Lion Version. On Jun 25, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > I have a late 2009 13 inch Macbook Pro with a 2.26 GHZ processor and 8 gigs > of ram. I run Windows 7 under Fusion and OSX side by side with Voice Over > and Jaws 12 both running. I have had several applications running on both > sides at once very successfully. JAWS still crackles and slightly stutters > minimally and quite randomly. If you're going to open it up, why not max it > out. I used a third part 8 gig ram kit. I don't remember the brand, but as > long as it has the same specs, it will do the trick. > On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:24 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few >> basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. >> Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more >> than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no >> exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that >> the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This >> person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money >> on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it >> comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatable >> memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person >> said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were >> doing some high quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or >> know about these numbers and comments? >> >> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter @lpnalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
Eric, sorry, I've read this a few times over, wanted to reply, decided not to, then decided to anyway... SSD and RAM are cheaper than a top of the line processor...? hum, are you talking about proper top end server grade processors, perhaps, but no way is the average desktop processor more expensive then an SSD, Apple are chucking 256Gb SSD drives in their machines if you're prepared to pay for it, these things are like £350 - £400, about US$500 or so. an i7 Intel 2.9Ghz processor is less than that in money terms. and the idea that RAM takes the load off your hard drive is only true if you have very little RAM, or very large applications loading in and out of it, or huge wopping files switching in and out. 4Gb of RAM is massive, its huge, its stupendous, its like Pages plus Mail plus Safari, and Mac OSx, with say 50 text only e-mails open plus 50 different multi page documents open and still room to surf the net and have multiple tabs open, and even this won't be pushing it. don't forget this is DDR3 RAM with 1028 cache on board each stick of RAM etc. I'm sorry,but I cannot sit back and not say that we are applying old school thinking and logic to something which has changed drastically in the space of even the past 3 or so years. anyone who's been seriously involved in the computing scene for a length of time should know this. if we were talking PC, where Window's screen readers suck RAM like there's no tomorrow, the conversation would be different, but Voice Over is much better at resource responsibility, and uses an amount appropriately in line with its roll. Looking at my Mac right now, I have Mail up with four mail accounts being checked every minute for updates, Safari with 7 tabs, Pages with 3 documents, and numbers with 2 sheets. iTunes is also running and is downloading and syncing 2 iPHones and an iPad. Sonos controller is up and running as is Skype. oh and Voice Over. my system reports me as using 1.8Gb of RAM at peak... I have four available. lets please start being realistic and not talking about myth, or more accurately historical truths. if you want to talk about technology which has stood still over the passage of time, and this I appreciate is not quite as factual as it might seem, lets look at e-mail, something we now a days all take for granted. but did you know at the turn of the last century it took 8 minutes to transmit a telegraph from London to Calcutta, when you think it over, its still about that long to transmit an e-mail the same distance. yes of course, an e-mail can convey much more information and ccan handle attachments etc... but its pretty amazing when you think about it. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 12:27, erik burggraaf wrote: You know, going above four gb ram isn't strictly necessary for day to day computing. The article you're reading has it all backwards though. The processor is about 4 times faster than the ram in your computer. It's also a lot more expensive to buy a high end processor. Ram is a cheep upgrade, especially these days. It takes a load off of your hard drive by reducing the amount of swap space required. Maybe it does a few other things behind the scenes as well. If you want to spend money on a huge performance booster, chunk in a solid state hard drive. ssd rocks my world. Ram and ssd are both cheeper than a top of the line processor. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-06-25, at 12:24 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few > basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. > Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more > than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, > but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more > ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem > to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a > waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, > but there are third party sellers out there with compatible memory for just > about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the > only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high > quality video or audio editing. What do you all think or know about these > numbers and comments? > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: average ram for a blind user?
I have a late 2009 13 inch Macbook Pro with a 2.26 GHZ processor and 8 gigs of ram. I run Windows 7 under Fusion and OSX side by side with Voice Over and Jaws 12 both running. I have had several applications running on both sides at once very successfully. JAWS still crackles and slightly stutters minimally and quite randomly. If you're going to open it up, why not max it out. I used a third part 8 gig ram kit. I don't remember the brand, but as long as it has the same specs, it will do the trick. On Jun 25, 2011, at 12:24 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few > basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. > Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more > than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, > but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more > ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem > to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a > waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, > but there are third party sellers out there with compatable memory for just > about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the > only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high > quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or know about these > numbers and comments? > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
ahem, since blindness differs from person to person how can there be an average as uniformly applied across everyone regardless of life experience interest, diagnosis, training whims desires and such? the suggestion that everyone is the same echos why it can be a challenge getting access, the*average* blind user is not on a mac anyway. Karen On Fri, 24 Jun 2011, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatable memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or know about these numbers and comments? Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst. Ram, compared to other things,is relatively inexpensive, and the results are well worth it. Naama On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:48, CJ Daniel wrote: > Kliff, > > I was a programmer for years, starting back in the mid-80's. I got my first > PC in, about, '90 or '91, when we were all using DOS 3.5. I've gone through > all the successions. I.E. various versions of DOS, Windows 3.1, '95, '98 SE, > ME, XP, Vista & now Apple Mac. I suppose there can come a time when a user > is buying more memory than they really need. But, through out all of those > experiences, the rule-of-thumb where memory was concerned, especially for > those users who were adding the huge overhead of screen reading technology, > was, "the more the merrier." In fact, my understanding for the new OS > upgrade called Lion is that you need @ least 2GB to run it. I'm looking @ > upgrading my 2 Gigs to as much as Little Mama will hold. My advice is, shove > as much as you can in there & just enjoy the results. > > CJ > > > On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few >> basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. >> Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more >> than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no >> exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that >> the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This >> person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money >> on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it >> comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatable >> memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person >> said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were >> doing some high quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or >> know about these numbers and comments? >> >> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
You know, going above four gb ram isn't strictly necessary for day to day computing. The article you're reading has it all backwards though. The processor is about 4 times faster than the ram in your computer. It's also a lot more expensive to buy a high end processor. Ram is a cheep upgrade, especially these days. It takes a load off of your hard drive by reducing the amount of swap space required. Maybe it does a few other things behind the scenes as well. If you want to spend money on a huge performance booster, chunk in a solid state hard drive. ssd rocks my world. Ram and ssd are both cheeper than a top of the line processor. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-06-25, at 12:24 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few > basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. > Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more > than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, > but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more > ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem > to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a > waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, > but there are third party sellers out there with compatable memory for just > about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the > only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high > quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or know about these > numbers and comments? > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: EMusic download manager
Hi, my experience is as reported. The installer has no controls. I've tried the item chooser but it finds nothing also. I'm using a nearly new macbook pro with all the latest software. BTW, what's wrong with just copying the .app file from a disk image? I was an emusic subscriber for three years before the download manager became completely unfit for use and I'd love to help get it back on track and resubscribe to the service. Please let me know if there is anything I can do. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-06-24, at 9:41 AM, Bobert wrote: > Hello everyone. I'm a product manager at eMusic. We have a beta > version of a completely new download manager. I'd like to hear how it > works for you. You can download it here: > > http://labs.emusic.com/2011/05/26/emusic-download-manager-v5-beta/ > > On Jun 20, 8:08 pm, Ben J Bloomgren wrote: >> I'm a subscriber to the EMusic service. Last night I wanted to download an >> album from there, and I found that they had a .dmg file for the mac. The >> only problem is that I could not even try to install or configure the >> program. Everything said "dimmed scroll area". The preference area wasn't >> all that different. I haven't yet looked in all the menus, but it's not that >> promising. It did download, but it created a folder on my desktop called "My >> EMusic". I'd rather not have that folder there, but if I cannot configure >> that application, I'll just have to leave it there and periodically exponge >> it. Has anybody on this list explored EMusic and/or its mac manager? >> >> Thanks a ton for any suggestions, >> >> Ben > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
it all depends on your needs. If you're a power user, you'll want more ram. if you want super fast performance and smooth multi-tasking, you need more ram. but if you check your eMails, web surf, and do a few office documents with music on in the background, you probably don't need to max out the ram as much. ash On 25/06/2011 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatable memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high quality video or audio editting. What do you all think or know about these numbers and comments? Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: average ram for a blind user?
I have to agree with Neil here. I have been using computers and various operating systems for over 20 years. I have 4Gb of ram in my MacBook and find this is more than adequate for the tasks I perform. I do a bit more than e-mail, browsing, etc.; however, even running virtual machines, the 4Gb has met my needs. THere truly is a balance between CPU, ram, and all the other components that has to be considered. So, do a true needs assessment before just running out and purchasing more ram. In fact spend some time looking at Activity Monitor, which can be found in /Applications/Utilities. If you take time to really understand the data Activity MOnitor provides, you can get a really good handle on your needs for ram etc. Scott On Jun 25, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it > comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic > word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes > etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. > > yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then > you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the basic > Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb is more > than enough. > > things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, oh > and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite > literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. > > this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be > forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about this > over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice > absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just > doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old wives > tail. > > true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my > current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green with > envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more than the > RAM in the machine. > > save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. > > put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, roughly, > most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are handling > hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and e-mail to > millions. > > the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab > between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is more > than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers can press > the buttons to achieve the goal. > > I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, as > more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are wasting > your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. > > *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start > mixing up the decks, or creating your very own commercial home movies, then > lets re-think, but Minister Miller, assuming this is a divinity related > title, if the most you are doing is the odd e-mail, the odd Surinam for > Sunday service, and a like, then seriously, 4Gb... hum, on second thoughts, > is God on WiFi, you might need an extra WiFi base station... :) grin. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > > Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few > basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. > Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more > than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, > but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more > ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem > to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a > waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, > but there are third party sellers out there with compatible memory for just > about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the > only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high > quality video or audio editing. What do you all think or know about these > numbers and comments? > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To p
Re: average ram for a blind user?
you are being stone walled, I run a major internet hosting operation, it comes down to what are you doing with your machine? if you are doing basic word processing, spread sheets, e-mail, internet, the usual things, iTunes etc etc. then 4Gb is more than enough. yes, if you are going to start loading multiple voice synth files in, then you may wish to look at more, but assuming you opt for one, Alex, the basic Apple voice, which is very good and fine for 99% of users. then 4Gb is more than enough. things like Pages, Numbers, Safari and Mail the four key players of apps, oh and iTunes all use tiny amounts of RAM in real terms, so you are quite literally paying for the RAM to sit there and do nothing. this business of the more the merrier, you're the one who is going to be forking out for all this unutalized RAM, I'm really, very serious about this over purchase, its just not necessary, you will hand on heart notice absolutely no difference whatsoever, and anyone thinking you will just doesn't understand how these things are really put together. its an old wives tail. true in the days when we had 8Mb hard drives and when my cache level on my current machine would make my machine's RAM even 10 years ago, go green with envy, but this is the 21st century, technology is so very much more than the RAM in the machine. save your money, don't forget, you can always easily upgrade RAM later. put it in one final other way, we have some 76,000 servers running, roughly, most of these have between 16Gb and 64Gb of RAM, but these are handling hundreds of clients at any one time, and serving up web pages and e-mail to millions. the most strenuous task you are going to do is to ask your machine to tab between several running applications at the same time, and 4Gb of RAM is more than enough to achieve this at far higher speeds than your fingers can press the buttons to achieve the goal. I've said my bit, more than my bit, this is not so much a twopence worth, as more my wealth of experience and knowledge in this industry, you are wasting your money over 4Gb, do not buy less though. *Note*, this is advice aimed at regular users, if you are about to start mixing up the decks, or creating your very own commercial home movies, then lets re-think, but Minister Miller, assuming this is a divinity related title, if the most you are doing is the odd e-mail, the odd Surinam for Sunday service, and a like, then seriously, 4Gb... hum, on second thoughts, is God on WiFi, you might need an extra WiFi base station... :) grin. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:24, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: Okay, I am still on a few windows screen readers lists, since I teach a few basic classes about JFW and know a lot about the windows side of things. Anyways, someone said on this list that the average blind user needs no more than 4 gigs of ram, at best anything over 8 would be a waste. I'm no exburt, but I have done a little research, and googling and have found that the more ram you have, the smoother your system will run, mac or PC. This person seem to think even if you had a fast processor, that spending money on ram was a waste. Now I will admitt, that apple is a little pricy when it comes to ram, but there are third party sellers out there with compatible memory for just about any system. Thoughts? Oh, 1 more thing this person said, that the only way more than 4 gigs would be necessary is if you were doing some high quality video or audio editing. What do you all think or know about these numbers and comments? Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
