Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

[Scott Davert]

Hi Donna.
Unless they have very recently upddated the manual, the section on
Android talks about BrailleBack and how to set this up. The problem is
that, though the BrailleBack app is still available on some 3rd party
stores, it's not available on the Google Play Store. TalkBack as of
2022 has direct support for braille displays.
The feature with pressing enter, typing in the app name and so forth
is available with iOS 17 and any supported display.

I hope these things help clerify,
Scott

On 1/14/24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi Scott,
>
> I’m a little surprised Mike didn’t get back to you.  He was extremely
> helpful to me, and very responsive to my questions.  Damian is less
> responsive it seems, but since Mike is in charge of tech support, it wasn’t
> too much of a big deal. But for what it’s worth, I sent quite a few messages
> to Helptech in Germany while I was trying to sort through things.  It was
> during Christmas, of course, and their offices were closed until the 8.  But
> it’s been a week now, and I still haven’t received a response to any of my
> messages.  I didn’t want to include that in the review, but that would seem
> to be yet another reason not to purchase an Activator.
>
> I did read the section in the Manual on Android briefly.  From what I saw,
> it just talked about using it with Android via bluetooth.  But since I had
> no way to confirm that, I also didn’t want to include it.
>
> What do you mean by your comment that Launching apps is as simple as
> pressing dot 8 and then typing the app name?  Which display are you talking
> about there?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:35 AM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nice review, Donna!
>> Part of why I have not published an article on this device is because
>> Dream Vision never responded to a couple of questions I had. One of them
>> being the lack of ability to connect to Android. I was hoping to get
>> official confirmation of this before throwing it into the universe, but
>> here we are.
>> I agree, for that much money, it has quite a bit of progress to make
>> before it's ready for the masses. It feels like a beta device to me. The
>> file transfer thing with the dock is neat. However, USB-C support is
>> emerging for other devices, so that's not unique. The news service is, but
>> launching apps is now as simple as pressing dot 8, typing the first word
>> of the app, and then activating it. 2 years ago, this would have been a
>> huge hit, though. The easiest way to check the battery status is when you
>> turn the Activator on. It's displayed as part of the opening message or
>> whatever you want to call it. What would have been the harm in creating a
>> keyboard shortcut to check the battery status like what is found on every
>> other device out there?
>>
>> Just my perspective,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:28 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Sabahattin,
>>>
>>> You’re welcome.  The interface with the iPhone is definitely worth being
>>> excited about.  But I came to the conclusion that it didn’t offset the
>>> other minuses, as you can tell.  I find it strange and ironic that they
>>> designed this display that is clearly intended to function in the
>>> Appleverse, and then tied it to a PC for things like updating.  I get
>>> that people with iPhones do have PCs, but you’d think that they would
>>> have made either an iPhone or a Mac updating method available.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> > On Jan 10, 2024, at 2:41 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
>>> > >> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for an excellent review, Donnah.
>>> >
>>> > I guess unsurprisingly, the part that interests me most is
>>> > thecombination of iPhone and Activator, since that's clearly the
>>> > dominant use case, but the assembly sounds rather brittle and then the
>>> > issue of newer USB-C iphones. I won't be buying any time soon, but I'd
>>> > be interested to see how this develops.
>>> >
>>> > Some of the other stuff is rather less inspiring though. Windows is at
>>> > fault for the USB issues, though presumably that will get fixed,
>>> > however the requirement to use Windows to update firmware just makes me
>>> > sad. Again, I hope there's a fix, in some not-too-distant future. The
>>> > interface sounds rather primitive though, which strikes me a

Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

[Scott Davert]

Nice review, Donna!
Part of why I have not published an article on this device is because Dream
Vision never responded to a couple of questions I had. One of them being
the lack of ability to connect to Android. I was hoping to get official
confirmation of this before throwing it into the universe, but here we are.
I agree, for that much money, it has quite a bit of progress to make before
it's ready for the masses. It feels like a beta device to me. The file
transfer thing with the dock is neat. However, USB-C support is emerging
for other devices, so that's not unique. The news service is, but launching
apps is now as simple as pressing dot 8, typing the first word of the app,
and then activating it. 2 years ago, this would have been a huge hit,
though. The easiest way to check the battery status is when you turn the
Activator on. It's displayed as part of the opening message or whatever you
want to call it. What would have been the harm in creating a keyboard
shortcut to check the battery status like what is found on every other
device out there?

Just my perspective,
Scott

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:28 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Sabahattin,
>
> You’re welcome.  The interface with the iPhone is definitely worth being
> excited about.  But I came to the conclusion that it didn’t offset the
> other minuses, as you can tell.  I find it strange and ironic that they
> designed this display that is clearly intended to function in the
> Appleverse, and then tied it to a PC for things like updating.  I get that
> people with iPhones do have PCs, but you’d think that they would have made
> either an iPhone or a Mac updating method available.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
> > On Jan 10, 2024, at 2:41 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for an excellent review, Donnah.
> >
> > I guess unsurprisingly, the part that interests me most is
> thecombination of iPhone and Activator, since that's clearly the dominant
> use case, but the assembly sounds rather brittle and then the issue of
> newer USB-C iphones. I won't be buying any time soon, but I'd be interested
> to see how this develops.
> >
> > Some of the other stuff is rather less inspiring though. Windows is at
> fault for the USB issues, though presumably that will get fixed, however
> the requirement to use Windows to update firmware just makes me sad. Again,
> I hope there's a fix, in some not-too-distant future. The interface sounds
> rather primitive though, which strikes me as a bit of a red flag seeing as
> how it's supposed to improve on the iPhone for editing tasks. All the
> technology in the world can't help if it's not efficient to use for that,
> and since the whole point is to marry that efficiency with your existing
> phone's functionality, rather than replacing it, they probably need to
> improve their software considerably for me to consider switching away from
> a Focus or any display with stored Braille input capability. Again, I'll be
> interested to see how others find it after they've done some more work on
> their software.
> >
> > Thanks again for your review. It was very informative.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sabahattin
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Re: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

[Scott Davert]

Hello Sarai.
I was quite happy with my Logetech K380 as well, but I think it would
take a larger purse to carry it around. The iClever Tri-fold keyboards
are decent, but like Donna said, the keys are kind of small. That
said, they have to be more small to fit in that physical form factor.

Best,
Scott

On 12/4/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi Sarai,
>
> Before I got my Mantis, I used a Logitech keyboard, sorry can’t remember the
> model number.  But I was very happy with it.  I also have an iClever
> keyboard.  It’s nice in that it’s very portable, but the keys are kind of
> small, and it folds in the middle, which can make using it in your lap a
> little tricky.  But if you want something small that will fit in a purse,
> it’s not a bad choice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Dec 3, 2023, at 7:57 PM, 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> All:
>> I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving.
>> Merry Christmas to me! LOL.
>> I’m loving it.
>> Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone
>> recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I
>> can carry for travel as well.
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Re: mac os 14 and ios apps

[Scott Davert]

Well, it was an answer, just not one you wanted. LOL. Yay for
reporting broken stuff, hopefully more people do so.

Scott

On 7/13/23, mattias jonsson  wrote:
> now a bug report are done.
>
>
>> 14 juli 2023 kl. 02:04 skrev mattias jonsson :
>>
>> if you dont want to answer dont write
>> anyone have an answer?
>> stop was so correct
>>
>>> 14 juli 2023 kl. 01:43 skrev 'jason' via MacVisionaries
>>> :
>>>
>>> I can’t discuss beta software here, due to the terms of Apple’s beta
>>> testing agreement.
>>> If you find bugs in beta software, you should report them to Apple. I
>>> plan to do likewise for any bugs I find in software that I test.
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > on behalf of mattias jonsson
>>> mailto:mjonsson1...@gmail.com>>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 19:17
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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>>> Subject: mac os 14 and ios apps
>>>
>>> i dont know ifthe public beta of mac os are started but if it is anyone
>>> observered that ios apps not working properly? i cant describe the issue
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Re: iOS upgrade to 16.3?

[Scott Davert]

Phil.
I wish you the best with your upgrade! It's a bit quirky, especially
for braille users, but I don't think you are one of those. There are
fewer issues for speech users, so I would think you would be fine, but
that's speculation.

Take care,
Scott

On 2/14/23, Phil Halton  wrote:
> I don’t need blanket assurances or anything, I just asked because I thought
> I remembered hearing a little more chatter than normal about this new
> version 16 having more troubles than most. Anyway, I think I’ll go ahead and
> update. Thanks
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
>
>> On Feb 14, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That would depend on your access needs. There will never be a blanket
>> statement put out that says everyone should upgrade. That never
>> happens because we are all different and thus have different needs.
>> For example, there are a lot of braille bugs in 16.3 that wouldn't
>> impact a speech only, or not as much of an impact, if you use it to
>> supplement your speech access.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>> On 2/14/23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> wrote:
>>>Sorry to say this Phil, but there is no such thing as a bug free
>>> anything.  We're already half way to iOS 17!
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>>  --John F. Kennedy
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>>>> On 2/14/2023 7:43 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>>> I am still using iOS 15. Have they shaken the bugs out of iOS 16 with
>>>> version three yet or is it still not a good idea to upgrade?. I don’t
>>>> want
>>>> to lose accessibility or sensitivity of the screen or any functionality
>>>> for that matter.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>>
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Re: iOS upgrade to 16.3?

[Scott Davert]

That would depend on your access needs. There will never be a blanket
statement put out that says everyone should upgrade. That never
happens because we are all different and thus have different needs.
For example, there are a lot of braille bugs in 16.3 that wouldn't
impact a speech only, or not as much of an impact, if you use it to
supplement your speech access.

Scott

On 2/14/23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> Sorry to say this Phil, but there is no such thing as a bug free
> anything.  We're already half way to iOS 17!
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>   --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
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>
> On 2/14/2023 7:43 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> I am still using iOS 15. Have they shaken the bugs out of iOS 16 with
>> version three yet or is it still not a good idea to upgrade?. I don’t want
>> to lose accessibility or sensitivity of the screen or any functionality
>> for that matter.
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: iOS/iPadOS 16.1

[Scott Davert]

Hi E.T. I have recently used iOS 16.1 and the 16.2 beta with a Focus
40 5th generation without any trouble. Have you tried resetting all
settings? I'm not sure if iOS 16 back-ups work under 16.1, but if they
are, why not give it a try? Please let us know how it goes.

Wishing you the best of luck,
Scott

On 11/2/22, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> That might resolve the issue.
> I haven’t  tried this since I am on beta testing so I can’t say.
> /A
>
>> 2 nov. 2022 kl. 18:04 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>> :
>>
>>   My braille display was connected to both devices and working until the
>> above mentioned updates.
>>
>>   Now I wonder if restoring from a backup will reinstall the OS? Or
>> perhaps simply doing the restore will correct the issues. If anyone is
>> using the Focus 40 Blue 5th braille display, opinions will be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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Re: Is there any way to set my phone so that the lock button hangs up phone calls?

[Scott Davert]

It's never worked for me either. Even if I dump VoiceOver, it isn't
ending the call here. Good thing I don't like to hang up on people I
guess, though I hardly make phone calls these days anyway.

Scott

On 11/3/22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> Thanks for posting this.  I will report it to Apple Accessibility as well.
> Best,
> Donna
>
>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 11:36 PM, Shai  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> This feature has not worked for me since the release of iOS 16. It was
>> indicated to Apple Accessibility and I was hoping that the feature
>> would be fixed so that it did work.
>> This feature does not seem to work for me on either an iPhone10-r or
>> iPhone13 pro.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/2/22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Interesting.  It was already set to off.  I’ve tried toggling it on and
>>> off
>>> again, hopefully that will fix it.  Thanks, Janet.
>>> Donna
>>>
>>>
 On Nov 2, 2022, at 5:07 PM, Janet Ingber 
 wrote:

 Hi Donna,
 Go to Settings/Accessibility/Touch/Prevent Lock to End Call. This is a
 toggle switch.
 Best,
 Janet

> On Nov 2, 2022, at 5:53 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi all,
>
> I know there are people who hate that feature, but I actually want
> pressing the side button to end a call.  That does not happen on my
> Phone.  I’ve looked in Settings under physical and Motor, but don’t see
> a
> setting there that governs that behavior.  Does anyone know how I can
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> my phone so that pressing the side button ends a call?
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Re: iPhone se22

[Scott Davert]

I upgraded from an SE 2 to an SE 3 and have no regrets. The battery
life has improved and the internals are much more reliable. I wrote
the following review after having the SE 2022 for a week or so. My
observations haven't really changed.
https://www.applevis.com/blog/iphone-se-3-more-practical-phone-some-use-cases

On 9/21/22, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
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> The 2022 iPhone SE is available now from t-mobile.com at significant price
> discounts, up to 50% off when financed at 0% interest over 24 months,
> according to T-Mo.
>
> Mine is arriving this afternoon with a total savings of $215 off the
> list price, according to my invoice.
>
> 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>
>> On 10/9/22 20:20, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> > Does the iPhone se22 have a faster processor than the iPhonese20? are
>> > there other significant differences?
>>
>> Yes, it has a newer processor. Note also that the 2022 edition can
>> reportedly be upgraded to iOS 16, whereas the 2020 version cannot.
>>
>> There are other differences. See
>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/03/08/compared-new-2022-iphone-se-vs-2020-iphone-se
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Re: Follow-up on the Mantis

[Scott Davert]

I heard a rumor that the Chameleon may be rebranded as the Brailliant
20 for those outside the U.S. who would work with a Humanware dealer.
I have no idea if it's true or not.
WHEN the new Brailliant 40 launches, HW claims in December, it is
expected to have all of the features of the Mantis, but will also have
speakers and a Perkins-style keyboard. NO idea if that will also
include speech or not.

HTH,
Scott

On 10/7/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> Yes the 20 cell  version is called the Chamaeleon I work for the American
> printing House. It is a Perkins style input. The human wear will be selling
> it overseas I believe at some point but currently I believe it's only sold
> in America. There were talks of this happening at some point, but I'm not as
> involved as I once was with the project so sorry I knowing the details I
> would contact Humanware  to maybe speed up the process if you're
> interested.
>
>> On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Tali Sarnetzky 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, in most cases, they don't include pricing for these
>> devices when you find a description.
>> Take into consider, Anders, that the price might be different in
>> Sweden, or if you bring it into the country by yourself. I know this
>> from my own experience in Israel.
>>
>> On 10/7/20, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> That  does not matter for me.
>>> But it can be for some.
>>> /A
>>>
 7 okt. 2020 kl. 21:31 skrev Mary Otten :

 The 20 cell version has braille input rather than typing. A dealbreaker
 for me.


 Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
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> Hi!
> THey should have a 20 cell version.
> /A
>
>> 7 okt. 2020 kl. 20:32 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> :
>>
>> It's really nice having a qwerty keyboard with a braille display. If
>> that's of interest, and you don't care about limitations in the
>> Editor,
>> it'd be worth checking into.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>
>>
 On Oct 7, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Anders Holmberg 
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>>>
>>> Hi!
>>> It might be something for me then.
>>> Depends on the cost of the device.
>>> We don’t have it here in Sweden but it might be possible to buy from
>>> Humanware and then get it delivered to Sweden.
>>> Thanks anyway for reporting your issue.
>>> /A
>>>
 7 okt. 2020 kl. 15:46 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 :

 Hi all,

 Since we’ve had some discussions about braille displays, I thought
 I’d
 share the outcome of my time with the Mantis.

 I’ve had my Mantis for a couple of days now, and unfortunately, it
 looks like I’ll be returning it. I wanted to share why with the
 list,
 because I thought that the issue I have may also be an issue for
 some
 of you.

 First let me say that it’s a really nice device. It’s light-weight,
 the keyboard is very comfortable to type on, and the way the device
 functions is very well thought-out. It is very easy to pair with an
 i-device - I’m actually typing on it as I write this message. So,
 if
 my issue isn’t an issue for you, I recommend it.

 Unfortunately, the Mantis has what for me is a fatal flaw.
 Humanware
 implemented a feature in the Mantis that they implement in their
 other
 notetakers, namely that there is a separate reader for BRF files,
 and
 a separate word-processor where you can actually edit text. I’ve
 always thought this was dumb, but I figured I’d just ignore the
 reader
 and use the editor. But when I got my Mantis, I was saddened to
 learn
 that there’s a limit to the file size in the Editor, so it is not
 possible to open books there. Since I often read and edit
 simultaneously, this is a deal breaker for me. I have no idea
 whether
 there are plans to address this in a future update, but I
 personally
 don't want to buy a device in the hope that a feature I need will
 be
 implemented some day.

 Again, this is a nice device, so if you don’t care about this
 limitation, by all means consider it. But I thought I’d save those
 of
 you who do care about it the trouble of ordering and then having to
 return the device.
 Cheers,
 Donna

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Mantis review

[Scott Davert]

I didn't have a Mac to test on, but covered iOS. There were some
questions on the list, so I thought I'd pass my article along to this
list.

Regards,
Scott
https://www.afb.org/aw/21/8/17143
A Review Of the Mantis Q 40 QWERTY Braille Display by APH and HumanWare
Scott Davert
In the current braille display market, most devices use a
Perkins-style keyboard. This allows for more portability and the
option of typing in contracted braille, which some people find
preferable. One of the disadvantages of a braille display with the
Perkins-style keyboard is that the individual has to learn a series of
specific commands for controlling either the display itself, or its
driving screen reader.
A device has come along to address the challenge of learning new
commands for each operating system. That device, on which I am
currently composing this article, is the Mantis Q 40. Unlike many of
its counterparts, this device comes equipped with a standard QWERTY
keyboard. It also has a set of internal applications for file
management, composing and editing documents, reading books, and
performing calculations. It also provides the option to download
Bookshare and NFB Newsline content directly to the device. Finally, it
has the capability to connect up to five Bluetooth devices
simultaneously, along with one USB connection.
What's In The Box?
Inside the box is the Mantis Q, a USB power adapter, an A to USB C
cable for charging and connecting to external devices, and a braille
and print Getting Started guide. The units shipping now also come with
a protective (TPU) case. One was not included with mine, since there
were delays due to the COVID-19 pandemic. I asked Greg Stilson, APH
Head Of Global Innovation, to describe the case, and this was his
response:
This is basically a green case that the Mantis sits in, when being
used. It covers the bottom and all edges for protection. It does not
however have a closing flap. APH does sell an optional Executive
Products case made of high quality leather for those professionals who
will be on the move a lot... TPU stands for Thermoplastic
Polyurethane. It is made up of plastic, elastic and rubber and is
extremely common in the smartphone case industry.
Orientation
Placing the Mantis on a flat surface with the braille display nearest
you, it is laid out as follows. On the front of the device, there are
a series of five buttons or “thumb keys.” From left to right, they
are: Previous, Pan Left, Home, Pan Right, and Next. The Previous thumb
key will take you to the previous item, the Pan Left button pans the
braille to the left, the Home button (which can also serve as an
Escape key) will take you Home, the Pan Right key will pan the braille
to the right, and the Next key will take you to the next item.
Along the left side of the device, the closest thing to you is a Type
A USB port, behind that is a small round Power button, and furthest
from you is the USB C port. The USB A female port is used to plug in a
flash drive to manage data. To start the device, press and hold the
Power button for about two seconds. The device takes about fifteen
seconds to start up. The Mantis will indicate “starting” on the
braille display. A progress spinner will indicate that the device is
booting until it is ready. A brief press of the Power button while on
puts it to sleep. Another brief press of the Power button wakes the
device. The USB C port is used to both charge the Mantis and also to
connect with external devices through USB. Along the back edge, you
will find a slot for SD cards. The Mantis accepts SD cards up to 64
GB.
The closest thing to you on the surface is the 40-cell display. To me,
the braille feels a lot like the BrailleNote Touch and has a slight
spongy feel to it. Behind each cell is a cursor routing button. Behind
the cursor routing buttons you will find the QWERTY keyboard. It has a
very similar layout to a laptop keyboard without the number pad. The
bottom row of keys, from left to right, are as follows: Control, FN
(function), Windows, Left Alt, Space Bar, Right Alt, Right Control,
Left Arrow, Down Arrow, and Right Arrow. Slightly above the Down Arrow
is the Up Arrow key. On a Mac or iOS device, the functions of the
bottom row are slightly different than on Windows and the internal
programs. To the left of the Spacebar, starting at the left edge are
the Control key, FN, Option, and Command keys. To the right of the
Spacebar are the Option and Right Control key.
The remaining five rows of keys reflect what is typically your QWERTY
keyboard layout on a laptop without a number pad. For more details,
you can consult the User Guide, which explains the rest of the layout
in detail.
A Familiar Interface
When you start the Mantis, you will be at the Main Menu. Just like
with Windows, you can navigate among your choices by pressing the Up
or Down Arrow keys. If you are in an application, you can press the
Windows or Home key to return to the main menu. Pressing Escape will
close the application

Re: Update to Orbit Writer

[Scott Davert]

Hi Peggy.
It could be done with Narrator on Windows I expect, though I've never
run an update with Nerrorator to try an update from Orbit Research. If
your husband's computer is running Windows 10, Nerrorator does a
decent job for things like this most of the time. You can bring up
Nerrorator by pressing the Windows control, and Enter keys together.
If on an older OS, you can still try Narrator if you want, but the
command is windows with U. That said, this is Mac Visionaries, not
Windows Visionaries, so I'll leave it at that. :)

Scott

On 8/11/20, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> Hi Candy,
>
> The thread I was talking about was on applevis.com Search for Orbit Writer
> and you should find it.
>
> On the Windows side of things, Ive been using Narrator. It sounds like that
> complicates things further with Orbit Writer.
>
> Traci
>
>
>> On Aug 10, 2020, at 11:03 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>
>> The Orbit Writer reminds me of the old Braille and Speak. I generally
>> braille on my lap which takes some getting used to for such a small
>> keyboard. Orientation requires dots 7 and 8 be in the correct position or
>> turning on the unit does not work. I've only had my unit for a few days,
>> so I'm still in the learning curve. It works well with one device paired,
>> I haven't been able to pair with a second device, so I'm awaiting the
>> update before trying again.
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Les
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 6:20 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Update to Orbit Writer
>>
>> Hi! A question to you who has the orbit writer. How is the device to type
>> on and how does it look? I am thinking of buying it because I would love
>> to have some thing to type on that small enough to fit in my pocket and
>> not a normal keyboard. My fingers are quite big so extremely small
>> keyboards make me go Blessings from Sweden mad.
>>> 10 aug. 2020 kl. 23:24 skrev Les Kriegler :
>>>
>>> Hi Traci,
>>> Well, I had a conversation with a representative from Orbit Research who
>>> told me the same thing you were told about an update coming soon. Right
>>> now, I have my iPhone working fairly consistently. If I power off the
>>> Orbit when I've completed my session with my phone, the next time I start
>>> IT SEEMS TO CONNECT REGULARLY NOW. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PAIR WITH A
>>> SECOND DEVICE AND WON'T TRY AT THIS point. When I have switched channels,
>>> the iPhone channel has to be set up and paired. It's a new product and
>>> since I wanted to use this primarily with my iPhone, I will keep the
>>> device and see what happens.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 5:09 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Update to Orbit Writer
>>>
>>> So a few things here. I’m following the thread on AppleVis and saw that
>>> Orbit Research posted.
>>>
>>> I have sent an email to tech support like they requested and laid out my
>>> issues and concerns.
>>>
>>> Orbit contacted me and asked questions about my steps for pairing the
>>> Orbit Writer to my devices. It seems as if I am following the
>>> instructions correctly. Orbit tech support said an update is coming soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> The thing is my 30 day window for return is drawing close. If the update
>>> isn’t here by say next Tuesday, I’ll have a decision to make.
>>>
>>> My other concern is updates can only be done via Windows. I have been
>>> reacquainting myself with the Windows environment, but I am not as
>>> proficient as I use to be.
>>>
>>> What are other users thoughts? How about those of you that are more
>>> familiar with Orbit Research?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Traci
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Donna.
I'll post it to the list when it is released next week. It's with the
editor now...

Scott

On 8/7/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Again, I agree. Would love to see your review.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again Donna.
>> His review was rather quick, and the perspective of someone who is
>> more new to braille, so it's worth having. I waited about a month to
>> use the iPhone SE 2020 before I wrote my review on that. I don't
>> believe in doing too quick of a turn around time on things, 3-4 weeks
>> seems like enough time to spot things that are important that may be
>> missed during a 1 week trial period. There's always that question:
>> what's more important? A quick review that can be done immediatley, or
>> a review that involves more testing but takes longer. I tend to favor
>> the latter, though I certainly can see value in the former. Smiles.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> Agree 100%. Not sure where he got the info about the U2, but yeah, it
>>> could
>>> connect to other devices, though the keyboard didn't work as well as one
>>> would wish.
>>>
>>> Like I said, he's obviously new to AT, but I figured I'd share the
>>> review
>>> for anyone who wants to read it. I'm sure yours will be much more
>>> comprehensive,. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Scott Davert 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Donna.
>>>> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
>>>> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
>>>> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
>>>> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
>>>> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
>>>> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
>>>> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However
>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40
>>>>>> library?
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>>>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>>>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>>>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>>>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>>>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>>>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm
>>>>>> writing
>>>>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> hearing aids.
>>>>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>>>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>>>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>>>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>>>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>>

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi again Donna.
His review was rather quick, and the perspective of someone who is
more new to braille, so it's worth having. I waited about a month to
use the iPhone SE 2020 before I wrote my review on that. I don't
believe in doing too quick of a turn around time on things, 3-4 weeks
seems like enough time to spot things that are important that may be
missed during a 1 week trial period. There's always that question:
what's more important? A quick review that can be done immediatley, or
a review that involves more testing but takes longer. I tend to favor
the latter, though I certainly can see value in the former. Smiles.

Scott

On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> Agree 100%. Not sure where he got the info about the U2, but yeah, it could
> connect to other devices, though the keyboard didn't work as well as one
> would wish.
>
> Like I said, he's obviously new to AT, but I figured I'd share the review
> for anyone who wants to read it. I'm sure yours will be much more
> comprehensive,. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Donna.
>> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
>> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
>> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
>> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
>> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
>> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
>> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it
>>> is
>>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>
>>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40
>>>> library?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> on
>>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>>> hearing aids.
>>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>>>
>>>> Just some info,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Traci,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mantis supports
>>>>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>>>> iOS 13.5.1+
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>>>>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >>>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>

Re: Mantis case

[Scott Davert]

Awesome, Donna. I hope it works out for you! I do not have a Mac here
to test with, so if you can please let us know how that goes for you,
I'd love your feedback. I'm about to start evaluating the qBraille and
again do not have a Mac to test with. I used to go to the local Apple
Store and conduct my tests there, but they're closed.

Scott

On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> thanks, Scott, this is exactly what I needed. I've decided to go ahead and
> place an order, and it sounds like I should also order the Executive
> Products case.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joe and Donna.
>> I have not received my case either. My understanding from talking to
>> Greg Stilson about this is that the case which ships with the Mantis
>> does not include a cover, but something that you can set the display
>> in while using it. It's not a carrying case. If you want to carry it
>> around, you would likely want the EP case. Sorry I do not have an
>> exact answer, I have not received mine yet.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> I have seen the leather case sold by us from executive products, that is
>>> a
>>> real sweet looking notetaker type of case. I have not gotten to see the
>>> Green nylon case that comes with the product. Scott have you received
>>> yours
>>> yet? We were a little late getting them due to the situation going on in
>>> the
>>> world! So when I was doing quality control on the devices I did not get
>>> a
>>> chance to see them unfortunately. My understanding is that it's more of
>>> a
>>> cover than a full on case but I could be wrong.
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi oe and Scott,
>>>>
>>>> Is the case that comes with the Mantis a carrying case or just a cover?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>>
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

I would think both the Mantis and the Chameleon would eventually
support NLS, given that Humanware is one of the companies contracted
out to provide the braille displays that will be distributed by NLS.

JMO,
Scott

On 8/6/20, Scott Davert  wrote:
> Hi Donna.
> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>
> Scott
>
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it
>> is
>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> Les
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> on
>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>> hearing aids.
>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>>
>>> Just some info,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> > Hi Traci,
>>> >
>>> > The Mantis supports
>>> > MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>> > iOS 13.5.1+
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>> >> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Traci
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >> >>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>> >>> email me at jho...@aph.org <mailto:jho...@aph.org
>>> >>> <mailto:jho...@aph.org>> with your email and I
>>> >>> will add you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Joe
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>> >>>> >> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>>> >>>> received
>>> >>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>> >>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>> >>>> Best,
>>> >>>> Donna
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Aug 6,

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi Donna.
Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
There's a much less steep learning curve.

Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it is
> in the bucket for future releases.
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library?
>> Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Les
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>
>> Hi all.
>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>> hearing aids.
>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>
>> Just some info,
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> > Hi Traci,
>> >
>> > The Mantis supports
>> > MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>> > iOS 13.5.1+
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>> >> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Traci
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge > >>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
>> >>> to
>> >>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>> >>> email me at jho...@aph.org <mailto:jho...@aph.org
>> >>> <mailto:jho...@aph.org>> with your email and I
>> >>> will add you.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> >>>> > >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>> >>>> received
>> >>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>> >>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Donna
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge > >>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Kerryann,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>> >>>>> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
>> >>>>> would like to join send an email to
>> >>>>> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>> >>>>> <mailto:mantis-chameleon-use

Re: Mantis case

[Scott Davert]

Hi Joe and Donna.
I have not received my case either. My understanding from talking to
Greg Stilson about this is that the case which ships with the Mantis
does not include a cover, but something that you can set the display
in while using it. It's not a carrying case. If you want to carry it
around, you would likely want the EP case. Sorry I do not have an
exact answer, I have not received mine yet.

Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> I have seen the leather case sold by us from executive products, that is a
> real sweet looking notetaker type of case. I have not gotten to see the
> Green nylon case that comes with the product. Scott have you received yours
> yet? We were a little late getting them due to the situation going on in the
> world! So when I was doing quality control on the devices I did not get a
> chance to see them unfortunately. My understanding is that it's more of a
> cover than a full on case but I could be wrong.
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi oe and Scott,
>>
>> Is the case that comes with the Mantis a carrying case or just a cover?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>>
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi Donna.
If you have felt the braille of the BrailleNote Touch, or even the
Apex, Iwould equate the feel of the dots to one of those devices. I
was not aware that anyone else had reviewed the Mantis yet. My review
should be in the August issue of Access World.
As for the keys, I would equate those to the BrailleNote Apex QT. The
size is also similar. The keys aren't noisy, though, it sounds about
as loud to me as any laptop would. Then again, my ears are quite
broken, so I may not be the best judge of that.

HTH,
Scott

On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Thanks, Scott. The wifi feature sounds very cool. Do you like the braille?
> One article I read described it as mushy. Also, how is the keyboard. I
> remember the Braillenote having HUGE keys. That never made sense to me, and
> I didn't care for it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>> hearing aids.
>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>
>> Just some info,
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> Hi Traci,
>>>
>>> The Mantis supports
>>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>> iOS 13.5.1+
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Traci
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
>>>>> to
>>>>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>>>> email me at jho...@aph.org <mailto:jho...@aph.org> with your email and
>>>>> I
>>>>> will add you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>>>>>> received
>>>>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>>>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >>>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Kerryann,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>>>>>>> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
>>>>>>> would like to join send an email to
>>>>>>> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:kerryann.if...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some 

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
hearing aids.
One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.

Just some info,
Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> Hi Traci,
>
> The Mantis supports
> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
> iOS 13.5.1+
>
> Joe
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>
>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to
>>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>> email me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I
>>> will add you.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 >>> > wrote:

 Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received
 no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
 email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
 Best,
 Donna

 Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
>
> Hi Kerryann,
>
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> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
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> 
>
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays
>> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big
>> braille display bin in the sky!
>>
>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
>> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>>
>> Regards
>> Kerry
>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>
>>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
>>> with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>>>
>>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells
>>> for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:

 This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs

 $2500 though, wow!

 I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading.

 Traci


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new.
> It's sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware
> as well.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: I Want to Buy a HomePod But, ...

[Scott Davert]

I agree with Tim. My snarky comment aside, I'm afraid this just isn't
going to happen. In the view of many, the headphone jack is a step
backward, not forward. While there are things like Bluetooth
transmitters that you could pair that can be hooked in to something
with a 3.5 MM jack, it requires the purchase of more stuff. Though the
sound quality of the Homepod is great from what I can tell, the
absence of a headphone jack was one of the things that turned me off
to it. Further, as already mentioned, there is no direct support for
other music streaming services which are available through other
devices on the market such as the Echo, Sonos, and Google platforms.
yes, you can certainly Airplay your iPhone using spotify or whatever
other music you have on your iPhone, but you cannot, for example, ask
Siri to play something specific from Spotify and have it be
successful. If you are an Apple Music subscriber and want something
with fantastic sound and do not mind using Airplay, though, the
HomePod certainly seems to fit that bill well. I'm also sure it will
improve when updates are released to include stereo sound and
multi-room support. I also will not be getting one, as it doesn't fit
my use case.

Just my thoughts,
Scott

On 2/15/18, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As mentioned by others, there's no need to have Apple Music.  You should be
> able to play music from your iPod via AirPlay to the HomePod wirelessly,
> thus, playing your music from the exact playlists and such that reside on
> the iPod itself.  Regarding the inclusion of a 3.5 mm jack, I would bet big
> money that you'll never see such an animal on the HomePod, it just doesn't
> fit the use model that Apple has for the HomePod.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Feb 14, 2018, at 18:51, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I was really considering buying a HOmePod.  However, as I am not subscribed
> to Apple Music nor am I going to subscribe anytime soon, I was hoping that
> the HomePod would have a 3.5mm jack so that I could use it with non-apple
> and/or legacy hardware devices such as my iPod Nanno.  What a bummer that
> it
> does not have such a port.
>
> Perhaps I'll wait until the next generation model in hopes that they will
> permit legacy-device attachments.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Mark
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Re: 3-Finger Quadruple Tap

[Scott Davert]

The other option is to use the text selection rotor options and then
go to edit and select copy. Then do the same with paste. Either way
you slice it, this will be a multistep process.

Scott

On 2/15/18, John JD Denning  wrote:
> The reasonable solution from Apple would be a verbosity setting that doesn’t
> read element labels. There are times that I would turn the reading of them
> off. Like reading lots of emails that I just want to read from start to
> finish and they have so many tables just to place their graphics in. I would
> love to just read through without all that information but then be able to
> turn it back on easily when I need it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 23:55, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate the responses to this inquiry, but that procedure is terribly
>> inconvenient.  It would be helpful if Apple were able to offer a toggle to
>> silence the inclusion of element labels so this gesture could copy only
>> the desired information into the paste-board.
>>
>> Now, I fully understand that this likely will not happen.  Software
>> design, implementation and testing activity would probably prove too
>> costly, but one can always dream; right?
>>
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
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Re: How about that Watch OS 3.2.3 update?

[Scott Davert]

I'm not even going to put 4.0 on my original Apple Watch, it will
probably be rediculously slow. I also don't think I'll be getting an
updated watch, this one does what I need well enough. I'm not a
swimmer, so not sure it would be worth it.

Scott

On 7/20/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> I’m not seeing as big a difference, though admittedly I do see a tad more
> responsiveness but I’m running an Original which is getting progressively
> slower and slower.
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> this is great to hear, Scott, as I haven't yet updated.  Will get on that
>> today.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone else found the Watch OS update as good as I did.
>>> The watch seems far more responsive, screen sensitivity seems more
>>> predictable and there’s an over all snap in the platform now when voice
>>> over is active.  Big improvement.  I’m specifically using a series 2
>>> Steel 42MM watch in this example.
>>>
>>> Thanks
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Re: need to consult someone who is testing the public beta for IOS11 on their iPhone

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Hi Ray.
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Scott

On 7/12/17, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> Would someone who is beta testing the public beta of IOS11 please contact be
> privately at my e-mail address of:
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> rforet7...@comcast.net
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> to assist in resolving an issue I cannot openly discuss here?
>
> Thanks.
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>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
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> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
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Re: Radium

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
Radium is a 32-bit app as far as I know, so when iOS 11 comes out, it
will not work if you update to iOS 11. Regarding OOTunes, I'm not sure
what people are talking about. It was updated Feb 19, 2017. It will
work fine under iOS 11.

Scott

On 7/5/17, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> Hi Moop,
>
> did you giv Receiver a try? Or maybe My Tuner Radio?
>
> Jürgen
>> Am 05.07.2017 um 03:30 schrieb Moop Curran > >:
>>
>> Hi Mary,
>> I'm just catching up on list mail, and just saw this. That is really a
>> shame that radium isn't being developed anymore, because I use it daily on
>> my mac, and almost daily to listen to Sirius XM content on iOs. I find the
>> sirius xm app severely cluttered, and radium is a super alternative. With
>> that being said, does anyone know of any other Sirius Xm app alternatives
>> since radium won't work on iOs 11? If not, I guess I won't update my main
>> iPhone, that's how I feel about the native sirius xm app, it's not good.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Moop
>>
>> Moop
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 4:08 AM, Jürgen Fleger > > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mary for this information. Really sag but good to know.
>>> Jürgen
>>>
>>> Von meinem iPad gesendet
>>>
 Am 04.11.2016 um 00:49 schrieb Mary Otten >:

 I got a response to my email to the folks at radium regarding the recent
 message that the app needs to be updated for iOS 10, and it is not good
 news. Radium, they informed me, is no longer being developed. They did
 say they are maintaining their database. They did not specify that it
 was only the iPhone app that was not being developed. My question was
 about that app, but they said nothing at all about the Mac app, no
 distinction was drawn between the iPhone app being developed or not and
 the Mac app being developed or not. Therefore, I think it means radium
 development is not happening on any front. Too bad, as it was a great
 app but will undoubtedly come up not working at all sooner or later.
 Mary


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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Scott Davert]

I think what's happening with the 4-finger swype is that the phone is
doing a springboard reset for some reason. Too bad, as I just now have
the ability to set up custom commands in braille to actually utilize
this feature. Oh well, I've reported this one along with all of the
others I wrote about before to Apple. Hopefully others are also filing
reports. (smiles).

Scott

On 7/3/17, Daniel Miller  wrote:
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>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>
>> 4-finger swipe left/right to switch apps and 3D touch on left edge for app
>> switcher don’t seem to work in iOS 11 beta.
>> The return to last app and phone call buttons, as well as double-press
>> HOME button for app switcher still work.
>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:24 AM Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> I know, your android devices will tell you when you hit the home button.
>>> It's just slower. I have two of them, and it's definitely slower.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 2, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Saqib Hussain 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi. I can’t see it as a problem as my Android devices don’t have a home
>>> > button and Talkback will tell you when your finger is on the home
>>> > button.
>>> >> On 1 Jul 2017, at 02:29, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away
>>> >> in ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because
>>> >> I use that a lot. And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware
>>> >> that the home button is apparently going away completely in terms of a
>>> >> physical feelable button on the next phone. So it will be interesting
>>> >> how Apple makes that easily findable with VO.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mary,
>>> >>> When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail
>>> >>> button in the top left corner.  As far as returning to a previous app
>>> >>> is concerned, we have an app switcher for that.
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Scott Davert]

Why not just use iTunes to add the files to your "automatically add to
iTunes" folder. The next time you launch the program, you will have
whatever you put there synced up. Just remember to sync your phone.

Scott

On 7/3/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Yes i totally agree here.
> But why not just use airdrop if you don’t want to deal with itunes.
> Its pritty easy.
> /A
>> 2 juli 2017 kl. 17:32 skrev Tim Kilburn :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous
>> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the
>> song transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and
>> you'll cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> Ramy,
>>  Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Davert]

here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
my 6S behaving any differently.
1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
condition and tempature is not read by VO.
4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
onscreen keyboard.

Scott

On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>> something I expected.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> Simon,
>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>> lively as normal,
>>>
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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Re: Opinions wanted: Speed Dots for new iPad user?

[Scott Davert]

Good morning, Alex.
I have found the SpeedDots screen protectors to work, but if you
introduce too many applications at once, that it can be more
confusing. In the case of what you are describing, given the info I
have, I would suggest the model without the qwerty keyboard dots on
it, since this person has never used a computer, and therefor,
probably doesn't understand where the keys are anyway. I would also
suggest not using the dial pad unless it is absolutely necissary. Siri
can dial numbers, of course, and entering touch tones may be a
concept for later once the client has gotten used to activating things
on the touch screen.

Just my thoughts,
Scott

On 4/17/17, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Hello all,
> I'm working with a client who has never touched a computer and does not type
> at all, nor do they use braille. Therefore, we're starting on an iPad,
> because of the easy dictation, ability to touch the screen to explore it,
> and so on. One difficulty is orientation on the screen. We're using the home
> button as a reference, but that's not as good as having markers on the
> screen, of course.
>
> My question is about Speed Dots screen protectors. I've never used one, so I
> don't know if they would work. I know what they do, but with iOS, things
> aren't always in the same place. For instance,  the prompt to enter your
> passcode when TouchID isn't an option has a whole different number pad than
> the prompt to provide your passcode for an update, and entering a phone
> number on the iPad actually presents the numbers keyboard, not a phone-like
> layout at all. This client isn't using the keyboard, at least not yet, so
> having dots on the keys won't be too helpful right now, but could be in the
> future. And yet, some people find having reference dots helpful, so I'm not
> sure what to suggest.
>
> For those who have used, or currently use, Speed Dots, are they really
> helpful? Do the dots help even if they can be placed incorrectly for the
> current application? Has anyone found it easier to just toss some tactile
> dots on a screen protector, exactly where you want them? Thanks for any
> thoughts on this.
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Re: Apple watch tutorials

[Scott Davert]

Hi Chris.
99 forcent of the tutorials on AppleVis concerning the first gen of the Apple 
Watch are the same in the sense that the operation of VO has not changed. The 
one major difference is the former "friends" button on the watch which now 
takes you to the dock. This was covered in updated podcasts when Watch OS 3 was 
released. Mystic Access also has a paid tutorial which I do not know how well 
it is. I know that Lisa Salinger does it and that her audio presentations on 
other sites are very solid and helpful.

HTH,
Scott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Are there any voiceOver tutorials with watch 2.0?  Applevis site is lacking 
> anything recent!  
> 
> I borrowed my wife’s watch, but don’t have a clue on how to use it with VO.  
> What do the digital crown and friends buttons do?
> 
> Any help appreciated!
> 
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Re: Problem with Owc Thunderbolt dock under Windows 7 with bootcamp

[Scott Davert]

So Windows 10 it is then. I saw some references online to it working
under 7, but wasn't sure.

Thanks for the reply,
Scott

On 11/15/16, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thunderbolt requires windows eight and leader, unfortunately. Looks like
> you'll be upgrading to that version of Windows.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>
>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>> I thought, at the time of purchase, this would be the ideal solution
>> for me. I have an eleven inch Macbook Air, and so I'm limited on how
>> many peripherals I can connect. So, I purchased a Thunderbolt dock to
>> offset this challenge. It works fine under Mac OS, but will not work
>> under Windows 7 on my Bootcamp partition. I plugged it in while
>> running Windows, with no results, so switched to Mac OS and it works
>> great. However, for the skae of my employer, I must run Windows. When
>> I plug the device in under Windows, I got the error that the hardware
>> had not been installed properly. I rebooted, and tried again. Now, in
>> the System Tray, I have an eject Hardware option, with the Thunderbolt
>> Doc now as an option to eject. However, even when plugging in a USB
>> keyboard, Windows doesn't appear to recognize that it's there. I also
>> tried an external hard drive. I can't find it under device manager to
>> uninstall the driver, and there doesn't seem to be much on Google
>> regarding the subject. So, does anyone else happen to know what I can
>> do to fix this issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>> Scott
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Problem with Owc Thunderbolt dock under Windows 7 with bootcamp

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
 I thought, at the time of purchase, this would be the ideal solution
for me. I have an eleven inch Macbook Air, and so I'm limited on how
many peripherals I can connect. So, I purchased a Thunderbolt dock to
offset this challenge. It works fine under Mac OS, but will not work
under Windows 7 on my Bootcamp partition. I plugged it in while
running Windows, with no results, so switched to Mac OS and it works
great. However, for the skae of my employer, I must run Windows. When
I plug the device in under Windows, I got the error that the hardware
had not been installed properly. I rebooted, and tried again. Now, in
the System Tray, I have an eject Hardware option, with the Thunderbolt
Doc now as an option to eject. However, even when plugging in a USB
keyboard, Windows doesn't appear to recognize that it's there. I also
tried an external hard drive. I can't find it under device manager to
uninstall the driver, and there doesn't seem to be much on Google
regarding the subject. So, does anyone else happen to know what I can
do to fix this issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks so much!
Scott

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Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex

[Scott Davert]

Hi Andrew.
if you have the 6th gen, yes, this should be achieved using the same
method you did on your SE. But if you have an iPod 5, Alex is not
available on that.

Scott

On 11/1/16, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Lucky me!  I have got an iPod touch for my birthday.  The trouble is for the
> life of me I can't work out how to download and enable Alex as my voice.
> I've been through accessibility, and voices, accessibility, Voiceover and
> speech, but I still cannot work it out.  I can't stand Daniel, and Samantha
> is tolerable but my favourite is Alex.  I have managed to enable him on my
> iphone SE but ipod touch? No go.  Please help!  Ipod touch is supposed to
> have the A8 chip so it should be possible.  Or maybe not?
>
> Andrew
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Re: Hot keys not working on iPad Air 2 running iOs 10.1

[Scott Davert]

Hi Doug.
I'm glad it helped. You may wish to let Apple Accessibility knjow how
the issue was resolved, in case they have it in future. I'm glad you
are now on your way!

Scott

On 10/31/16, Douglas Lawlor <doug.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to express a big thank you to you for this Scott. I swearto God
> I didn't know this existed before. Where the heck is this documented?
>
> Again, Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>> Try pressing VO with Q to turn first letter quick nav on and off. This
>> is different from just pressing your left and right arrows together.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Scott
>>
>>> On 10/31/16, Douglas Lawlor <doug.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I see nothing regarding hotkeys in the VoiceOver Rotor. I have
>>> everything
>>> else selected in the rotor, shut down and restarted VoiceOver and still
>>> no
>>> hotkeys.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 1:30 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is that because you need to turn these things on within the
>>>> accessibility
>>>> voiceover roter functions?
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Lawlor
>>>> Sent: Monday, 31 October 2016 2:34 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Hot keys not working on iPad Air 2 running iOs 10.1
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I just restored this iPad Air 2 back to factory settings with iOs 10.1.
>>>> I
>>>> have no quick navigation keys while navigating through HTML content. I
>>>> am
>>>> referring to the keys for navigating heading and form elements when
>>>> Quicknav is turned on. A strange thing is I don't hear any descriptions
>>>> of
>>>> these keys when VoiceOver help is activated with the VO+K command. Has
>>>> anyone experienced this. I have contacted Apple Accessibility and we
>>>> could
>>>> not come up with a solution either. We now have this escalated to the
>>>> Apple support department.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Hot keys not working on iPad Air 2 running iOs 10.1

[Scott Davert]

Hi.
Try pressing VO with Q to turn first letter quick nav on and off. This
is different from just pressing your left and right arrows together.

HTH,
Scott

On 10/31/16, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
> I see nothing regarding hotkeys in the VoiceOver Rotor. I have everything
> else selected in the rotor, shut down and restarted VoiceOver and still no
> hotkeys.
>
> Doug
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 1:30 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Is that because you need to turn these things on within the accessibility
>> voiceover roter functions?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Lawlor
>> Sent: Monday, 31 October 2016 2:34 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Hot keys not working on iPad Air 2 running iOs 10.1
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just restored this iPad Air 2 back to factory settings with iOs 10.1. I
>> have no quick navigation keys while navigating through HTML content. I am
>> referring to the keys for navigating heading and form elements when
>> Quicknav is turned on. A strange thing is I don't hear any descriptions of
>> these keys when VoiceOver help is activated with the VO+K command. Has
>> anyone experienced this. I have contacted Apple Accessibility and we could
>> not come up with a solution either. We now have this escalated to the
>> Apple support department.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Scott Davert]

Hi Donna.
I purchased it the day it came out in July of 2015. If memory serves
correctly, which it doesn't always do, it was July 15. Smiles.

Scott

On 10/4/16, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> I hate how sluggish my 5 is.  I'd really like to replace it, but I have
> enough reservations about the longevity of the 6, that I don't think it's a
> good buy.  I think Scott may be wrong about when it came out, my memory is
> that it came out at the same time as the iPhone 6 in 2014, not 2015.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This rumor has been around for years. Lat time I investigated it, it was
>> about the ipod nano. I can believe they are going to discontinue that.
>> They might even discontinue the ipod touch but they'd probably replace it
>> with a small ipad. The ipod touch is much more like a small, inexpensive
>> ipad than it is like a nano. I don't know why they call it an ipod.
>>
>> I still have an ipod touch 4 which I use literally every day almost from
>> dawn to dusk. I use it as an alarm clock in the morning, as an mp3 player
>> while I'm working out, and for listening to books in the evening.
>>
>>
>> On 10/04/2016 12:05 PM, Scott Davert wrote:
>>> The iPod 6 came out in July of 2015, so it's not really all that
>>> outdated. I also suspect it will run the next iOS major release next
>>> year, but that could very well be the last one. I really hope if they
>>> discontinue the 6, that they will be replacing it with a newer model
>>> instead of dropping it off of the market. When the Watch can run iOS
>>> entirely, and only then, would I consider it a viable replacement. I
>>> have no interest in a bulky iPad myself, but know I'm in the minority.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 10/4/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>
>>>> Yeah I've noticed that myself,
>>>>
>>>> I have 3 iPods
>>>> A 16gb fifth gen,
>>>> A 64 gb fifth gen
>>>> And a 64 gig 6th gen
>>>>
>>>> So the only one updated to IOS 10 is the sixth gen which I have my
>>>> audio
>>>> books on,
>>>> The 16gb fifth gen is the one I use as a cycle / training computer and
>>>> that's the one I'm thinking of replacing.
>>>>
>>>> So replacing it will be the interesting thing, might have a look at a
>>>> slightly older phone like a 5 or 5s
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 1:07 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>>>>
>>>> Simon,
>>>>
>>>> Depending on what your next upgrade path is, you might want to just use
>>>> an
>>>> old iPhone, or even by one used.  If you get an iPod, it'll have the A8
>>>> chip, as opposed to the A10 that is in the current model.  It also
>>>> won't
>>>> have the W1 chip--or whatever it's called.)  It'll also have a longer
>>>> shelf
>>>> life.  One thing that has happened to me is that the 5th gen isn't
>>>> upgradable to IOS 10.  I suspect that in a year or so, the 6th Gen will
>>>> stop
>>>> being upgradable as well.  And, not that I've ever needed it, but I
>>>> figure
>>>> this way I'll have a backup if anything happens to my phone.  I know it
>>>> seems kind of like overkill, but I think if they're not going to update
>>>> the
>>>> iPod, that is the way I'm going to go.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hell that's not enough,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have more than that on one of my 64gig ipod touchs of audio books
>>>>> and
>>>>> that's only a mear portion of what I have.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I might look at buying a couple of 128 gig touchs
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Griffith
>>>>> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 9:46 AM
>>&

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Scott Davert]

The iPod 6 came out in July of 2015, so it's not really all that
outdated. I also suspect it will run the next iOS major release next
year, but that could very well be the last one. I really hope if they
discontinue the 6, that they will be replacing it with a newer model
instead of dropping it off of the market. When the Watch can run iOS
entirely, and only then, would I consider it a viable replacement. I
have no interest in a bulky iPad myself, but know I'm in the minority.

Scott

On 10/4/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Donna,
>
> Yeah I've noticed that myself,
>
> I have 3 iPods
> A 16gb fifth gen,
> A 64 gb fifth gen
> And a 64 gig 6th gen
>
>  So the only one updated to IOS 10 is the sixth gen which I have my audio
> books on,
>  The 16gb fifth gen is the one I use as a cycle / training computer and
> that's the one I'm thinking of replacing.
>
> So replacing it will be the interesting thing, might have a look at a
> slightly older phone like a 5 or 5s
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 1:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>
> Simon,
>
> Depending on what your next upgrade path is, you might want to just use an
> old iPhone, or even by one used.  If you get an iPod, it'll have the A8
> chip, as opposed to the A10 that is in the current model.  It also won't
> have the W1 chip--or whatever it's called.)  It'll also have a longer shelf
> life.  One thing that has happened to me is that the 5th gen isn't
> upgradable to IOS 10.  I suspect that in a year or so, the 6th Gen will stop
> being upgradable as well.  And, not that I've ever needed it, but I figure
> this way I'll have a backup if anything happens to my phone.  I know it
> seems kind of like overkill, but I think if they're not going to update the
> iPod, that is the way I'm going to go.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Hell that's not enough,
>>
>> I have more than that on one of my 64gig ipod touchs of audio books and
>> that's only a mear portion of what I have.
>>
>>
>> I think I might look at buying a couple of 128 gig touchs
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Griffith
>> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 9:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>>
>> Apparently the speculation is that to facilitate this the Watch will
>> increase to 8  GB and beyond. Someone posted a link to this discussion
>> earlier on the thread.
>>
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>>
>> On 02/10/2016 20:54, David tanner wrote:
>>> At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple
>>> Watch that's not a whole lot.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7
>>>
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my
 Apple Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music
 app, but as I understand it, all music would be played via
 connecting to the cloud, or another device like an iPhone.  Why
 bother with that when you could just store your music directly on
 the player?  I'm thinking about things like long car trips here,
 where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn through a lot of
 data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll stick with my
 plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :) Cheers, Donna

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith 
> wrote:
>
> You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to
> shift people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no
> definite knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems
> speculation that iPod development has ceased in favour of this longer
> term switch.
>
>
> I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod
> apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the
> page "footer area".
>
>
> The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now
> so it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
>
>
>
> David Griffith
>
>
>> On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
>>
>> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I
>> had been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After
>> reading this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had
>> were from marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock
>> to sell directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what
>> this means, but I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to

Re: A Question About How To Add a Favorite in the iOS 10 Phone App

[Scott Davert]

The other thing I'm seeing with this particular feature is that I'm
not able to add contacts as favorites for FaceTime Audio. Also of
interest, the contacts I have as FaceTime Audio favorites on iOS 9
have not all made the switch to 10. Has anyone else experienced this?
I don't think it's an accessibility issue, but I'm guessing maybe
something is wrong with my system, or perhaps, that it was
accidentally omitted from iOS 10?

Scott

On 9/20/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
>  A member from the V iPHone list posted the following question:
>
> [BEGIN QUESTION]
> On the topic of bugs in the favourites I have a question: I was trying to
> add contacts to the favourites, and it gives me things like "message work"
> call work, and so on, after choosing a particular contact.  Now, the mobile
> numbers in my contact was not labelled that way, so how do you know which
> numbers are actually added to the favourites then?  I wanted to do this as
> to use the "do not disturb" option, but obviously I am not understanding
> favourites in the right way now.  Also, if I want to add more than 1
> contact
> to the favourites tab, it seems as if I have to close the app completely,
> then go back in, and try to add the contact.  I select a particular
> contact,
> for the second one to be added, but the phone adds a completely different
> contact.  Using an Iphone 6 with ios 10.  Any clarification would be
> appreciated.
> [ENG QUESTION]
>
> You know, I just tried to add a new number to my Favorites and encountered
> the same issue.
>
> All replies welcomed.
>
> Mark
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Re: Using Braille display to type text on iphone

[Scott Davert]

Hi Stacey.
It's not a bug, but a feature that came out with iOS 9 something or
other. other than setting up an autotext where you enter some random
combination of 2 or 3 letters/numbers, I don't think you can insert
line breaks in to text messages any longer with a braille display. I
never really utilized the feature in texting anyway, so haven't missed
it, so maybe someone else has found a better work around.

Scott

On 9/19/16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> Yes, text messages.
> It hasn’t always been this way.
>
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Michelle's Home Emails
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stacey
>>
>> Michelle Stevens here,
>>
>> Were you talking about send a tex sms message? Because I think it was
>> always the way . What is driving me mad at moment whilst brailleing this
>> message on focus even though I have finished typing the word, can only see
>> half the ^will.  If I press spacebar then the word appears. Any fix for
>> this?  I just typed this and only read thi  pressed spacebar and the full
>> word came up.
>>
>> Kind wishes from downunder
>> Michelle
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 19 Sep. 2016, at 9:56 am, Stacey Robinson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone noticed if the bug with text and iMessages and Braille
>>> displays been fixed?
>>> About a week ago I was using my braillepen12 to send a text and when I
>>> pressed enter to go to a new line it sent the message instead.
>>> Is there a way around this?
>>>
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden > wrote:

 When in the address bar, the enter button becomes the go button. Thus,
 the enter command becomes the go command. Enter is dot 8 space bar, or
 dots 1 5 space bar.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
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 On 19/09/2016, at 05:20, Andrew Lamanche > wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm still such a novice when it comes to using a Braille display in
> iOS.  When I land on a text box like an address field in Safari on my
> iphone, I am not really sure how to deal with it.  I type in the url
> but then I can't seem to get out of the text input box to activate the
> "go" button.  It happens to me in other text fields to like for
> instance, when replying to an email.  What do I miss?  Is there a more
> comprehensive description somewhere how to use a braille display to
> type text on iOS device?
>
> Many thanks for any tips.
>
> Andrew
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Scott Davert]

If you're a braille display user and use the Mail app heavily, I'd
hold off on updating. More details to follow on release day.

Scott

On 9/9/16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Not for my Bose AE 2 wireless.
> But i think this is more a Bose problem than an Apple one.
> I am not sure how to update the firmware on my Bose headphones.
> /A
>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 00:44, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>
>> Update with out hesitation, it’s a great release.  It fixes a lot of the
>> audio routing problems as well at least the ones I was having so well
>> worth it in my case and I feel it will be for others as well.
>>
>> The mac OSX release is also very very good.  Update em if you got em.
>>
>> For what it’s worth, this is the best software release Apple has done post
>> Jobs in my opinion.  Not necessarily for features but more for stability
>> and just a good all around solid release with fewer bugs than previous
>> whole number updates.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot
>>> to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON
>>> Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically
>>> ForTotallyBlind users?
>>> JustWonderin'
>>> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
 With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
 Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well
 as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang
 in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
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 Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility


> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the
> accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone
> else. Alex Hall can confirm this.
>
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility
>> features in IOS10?
>>
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

[Scott Davert]

Hello all. I'm going to address several messages at once on this thread.
Jonathan: you are 100% correct about the access issue for those of us
who wear hearing aids and who are blind. Sadly, the market is rarely
designed wit our needs being considered because, as you say, we're
such a small minority. And within that minority, how many of us are
actively reading online articles and tracking tech trends to even push
this issue forward? I, too, have utilized my contacts at Apple to try
and make them aware of this issue. While I doubt we will reverse
hardware development, perhaps they will at least give our user case
some consideration and may figure out a way to address it. Without
going in to detail, it does seem that bluetooth audio in iOS 10 is a
bit less laggy, but we still have all of the other issues you
mentioned concerning battery life and so on.
Mike: regarding your question of Android accessibility, since I think
it's somewhat relevant to this discussion, my issue isn't so much with
TalkBack, but with BrailleBack. As someone who has taken to primarily
accessing my devices through braille displays, Android has a long long
way to go in terms of giving equal access to the operating system.
TalkBack has certainly come a long way, but BrailleBack has not. I
have passed along numerous bits of feedback to Google on this issue,
and all the responses are get are things like: then stick with iOS.
Now the standard response seems to be that since BrailleBack is open
source, Google expects someone else to solve their problems for them.
You can have decent braille access on Android if you wish to shell out
a few grand for a BrailleNote Touch which is already running an
outdated version of the OS, but this, too, has many limitations.

Thanks for reading,
Scott

On 9/2/16, Devin Prater  wrote:
> Well, I've gotten rather into Android and Linux a lot lately, although I
> still use my iPhone for reading email until I can find a mod for my
> device that'll give me Android 6 or 7, so if Apple does something I
> don't like, I have options I can turn to.
>
>
> On 09/02/2016 04:06 AM, Portia Scott wrote:
>> Yes, it will be interesting to see, For me as well. I am not one of those
>> who buy the latest and greatest Devices right away anymore, either. LOL. I
>> used to be, but I have grown a lot, and learned not to be like that
>> anymore. As people say, only time will tell what happens.
>>
>> Take care, and have a wonderful day.
>>
>> Portia.
>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:22 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>
>>> I will be interested to see the headphones they have with the new phones
>>> when they are released.
>>>
>>> I use my current ones for pretty much everything when I'm out and about
>>> including using my MBA so people don't hear it talking or so I can  hear
>>> things with out the surrounding noises
>>>
>>> If these new phones are some new form of BT then I'll be happy if they
>>> can connect to multiple devices such as my iPhone iPad and MBA.
>>> Oh and my watch.
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon F
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>>> Sent: Friday, 2 September 2016 12:59 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the
>>> iPhone seven
>>>
>>> I Agree
>>> With YourAssessment
>>>
>>> TimeWillTell
>>>
>>> If TheRemoval of the iPhone's HeadSet Jack deters Users from
>>> PurchasingIt
>>>
>>> Exluding the Normal AppleFan
>>>
>>> Meaning WhetherOrNot Sales Pummet RatherQuickly At 11:15 PM 8/31/2016,
>>> you wrote:
 Hello Mary,

 My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an
 active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have
 alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that
 companies pay attention.

 Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically
 ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts,
 I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better
 will make it so.

 I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it
 would change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my
 world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it.

 As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to
 follow Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives of
 Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when
 it follows."

 My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see.  Fortunately
 for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest
 device just because it is the latest.

 Mark

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Re: Need two bugts tested, please.

[Scott Davert]

What bugs are you reporting? I'm running Watch OS 3 also.

Scott

On 8/1/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Chris,
> I’m not running those betas, but interested to know what your bugs aare,
>
> I’ll flick you a message later.
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
> Gilland
> Sent: Monday, 1 August 2016 4:36 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Need two bugts tested, please.
>
> If anyone's running either the Watch OS3 beta seed 3, or the TVOS beta
> Seed3, will you please contact me off list?
>
> I'm having a few issues that are just totally! crazy bizarre!  I can't, nor
> will go into the specifics up here publicly, but we'll just leave it to say,
> I question if they're bugts, or if something weird is going on with my
> specific hardware.
>
> Anyway, thanks.  My e-mail is:
>
> clgillan...@gmail.com
>
> Chris.
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Re: To Unified English Braille Readers

[Scott Davert]

Sorry to say, but no displays and no screen readers are currently
supporting the format indicators as far as I'm aware. Quite
disappointing indeed!

Scott

On 7/25/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Caitlyn,
>
> Yes, I have tried almost every configuration I can think of, including
> enabling Status cells in the VoiceOver Utility.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Unified English Braille Readers
>
> Do you have status cells turned on?  I am thinking that you have to set this
> up in the braille options of the vo utility on the mac.  Not sure about
> windows…
>
> Cait
>
>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 2:38 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> Quite Correct, E.T.
>>
>> So far, I cannot get type form indicators to appear on the display on
>> either the Mac or via Jaws in Windows 10.  The U, E, B, contractions and
>> so forth appear correctly but I want to see the bold, italic, etc
>> indicators, also.
>>
>> I'm going to put in a call to Freedom Scientific, tomorrow.  Hopefully,
>> they can clue me in on how to accomplish this.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: To Unified English Braille Readers
>>
>>If a braille display is connected to the Mac to be used as a display,
>> it will rely on the Mac for translation. In other words, it matters not
>> how the Focus is set up.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 7/24/2016 7:49 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> Did you change a setting on the Focus or on the VoiceOVer braille
>>> settings?
>>>
>>> I did find the binary that does braille translation for the Macintosh
>>> appears to be based on Duxberry if that makes any difference. FS appears
>>> to have moved to LibLouis for their Braille translation in UEB.
>>>
>>>
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Re: track pad what can one do with it

[Scott Davert]

Many of the gestures you know from the iPhone are the same: double tap
to open, flick left and right to go to previous and next item, flick
up and down to move through whatever the rotor is set to, etc. There
are also gestures to do things like interact, move to certain parts of
the operating system, etc. Here's a podcast, if you're in to that sort
of thing, I did awhile back, which was 3 years ago, but all the info
in it is still accurate.
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/using-gestures-trackpad-mac-making-navigation-mac-similar-ios

Scott

On 7/8/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Open and do a lot of other things,
> It’s just your phone but built in to the computer or connected to yoru
> computer for using as a mouse
>
> Same thing yo get at the front of a mac notebook for a mouse pad.
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 10:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it
>
> Thanks, I am great with my iPhone, was wondering if a trackpad would help
> me. Can one open applications or just adjust settings?
>
> From:
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:14 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it
>
> Rhonda,
>
> The track pa makes things very accessible
> It is a mouse type device
>  And allows us with voiceover to use the trackpad in the same way we would
> use the iPhone or iPad touch screan.
>
> Including giving us a roter for finer working.
>
> From:
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> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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>
> Can you access everything on the mac via track pad?
> Rhonda
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Re: Restoring to factory settings

[Scott Davert]

I have a question related to restoring to factory default, but not
exactly the same one. Is there a way to reformat the Mac and install
the latest OS if you do not have the Apple ID's password to the person
who owned the computer last? I ask, because while I have the password
to log in to the Mac as the admin user, I do not have the iCloud info.

Thanks!
Scott

On 7/1/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> Hi. Yes I did. I’ve d problem to see if it crops up again. one the reset and
> I’m monitoring the situation to see if it
>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 16:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Were you able to set the checkbox so that the five Option key presses
>> would not enable Mouse keys?
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 05:28, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>
>> Hi. I have spoken too  soon and after following your steps to turn the
>> mouse keys off! The problem is occurring again.
>>
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:49, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Great.  If you'd rather not have this accidentally happen again, do the
>>> following.
>>>
>>> • open System Prefs.
>>> • open the Accessibility pane.
>>> • In the Accessibility Features table, select Mouse & Trackpad.
>>> • You'll note a checkbox for Mouse keys, make sure that it is not
>>> checked.
>>> • then you'll also see an Options button on this screen, VO-space on it.
>>> • On this new screen, there should be a checkbox that reads something to
>>> the effect of pressing the Option key five times to enable Mouse keys.
>>> Make sure it is not checked.
>>> • Press OK and close System Prefs.
>>>
>>> This should make it so that you don't accidentally turn them back on with
>>> the Option key.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:42, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi. I have pressed the option key five times as you have just suggested
>>> and I think it might have sold the problem. I was on the main desktop
>>> when I pressed it five times. First letter navigation is now working.
>>>
 On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:31, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

 Hi,

 Try pressing the Option key five times in a row.  If a certain checkbox
 is checked in the Accessibility pane of System Prefs, then this set of
 key-presses will toggle Mouse keys on/off.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Jun 29, 2016, at 16:26, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

 Hi. How do I turn the mouse mode off?  This is my final throw of the
 dice before I attempt to reset the machine.
> On 29 Jun 2016, at 23:14, E.T.  wrote:
>
> If its a Voiceover issue then bring up Voiceover Utility and on the
> menu bar, under File you will find "Reset all Voiceover preferences".
> If that does not do it, try this.
>
> Resetting PRAM.
>
> Shut down.
> Locate following keys on keyboard:
> Option-Cmd-P-R
> Hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
>
> Turn Mac on.
> Immediately press and hold the four keys. You must press this key
> combination before the black screen with Apple logo appears.
>
> Continue holding keys until Mac restarts, and you hear startup sound
> for second time.
>
> Release keys.
> After resetting PRAM, you may need to update your speaker volume,
> display resolution, and startup disk preferences.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
>> On 6/29/2016 2:28 PM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>> Hi. If you have read my emails about keyboard behaving oddly! This is
>> the reason why I need to reset my Mac because I can't find a solution
>> for the problem
>>
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 21:45, jeff `greene 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Saqib,
>>> 1 backup all your data
>>> 2 shut down your mac
>>> 3 reboot holding down command+r which will get you into recovery
>>> mode
>>> 4 wait like a minute then hit command+f5 to bring up VO
>>> 5 you'll find yourself in a table, choose disc utility and erase your
>>> hdd
>>> 6 close disc utility, interact with that table again and choose
>>> install mac osx. You'll have to enter your apple id and password and
>>> then you should be all set!
>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>>
>>>
 On 6/29/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
 Hi. How do I restore my Mac to factory settings. I can't fix this
 keyboard
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Re: Braille translation on the mac.

[Scott Davert]

While it's not software based, you may have better luck with Robobraille
http://www.robobraille.org
Just follow the directions on the website.

HTH,
Scott

On 6/27/16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> I opened this and it said that it wasn’t compatible with my mac.
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>
>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:35 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>   Louis, from .
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/26/2016 6:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>> Is there a way to easily translate a text file created on the mac to a
>>> brl file?
>>>
>>> Blessings,
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Re: new iPhone

[Scott Davert]

Hi Gabe.
Unless I'm mistaken, you will not be able to use the 4s SIM card in
your 5S without manipulating it. This is because the card in the 4S is
a Micro SIM, and the one in the 5S is a nano-sim.

Scott

On 6/26/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Absolutely agreed, unlocked should mean unlocked to the network.  It
> shouldn’t mean you’re sort of unlocked, you need to have a SIM but otherwise
> you can use the radio and phone as you want.  That’s again weak sauce ™.
>
> If it’s just a connection issue as someone mentioned then why can’t a
> software or even physical bypass switch be included?  Besides it may cost a
> half penny to include?  I think I just answered my own question.
>
>
>
> On 6/26/16, 6:55 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  on behalf of listse...@me.com> wrote:
>
> I think AppleSIM is presently a dual-use option on iPad only at the moment.
> It’s a nice idea and apparently does help in certain cases where the
> alternative is full-on international roaming charges (but still not quite as
> cost-effective as buying local, obviously).
>
> But really, yeah, it’s just stupid.  The whole notion of “Activation” is
> meaningless for an unlocked device.  You should just be able to insert a SIM
> card, or not, according to preference, and configure any parameters yourself
> if the phone doesn’t know about them directly.  I could do it on my Nokia
> E51, for heaven’s sake; why not on the iPhone?
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Re: Iphone Se.

[Scott Davert]

I think that not everyone likes even the larger screen. I'm a braille
display user, for example, so I'm happier with the smaller screen
size. I'm also not a huge BSI user, so that is another reason I'd like
the larger screen thrown out the window. Battery life? I purchased a
case with a battery onboard for $50, and can get 2 days out of the SE
while constantly running bluetooth for braille. So while the battery
life would be better on the Plus, I have spent much less money to get
a battery case and still get the smaller form factor. Not that I think
there's anything wrong with the larger phones, I'm just explaining the
appeal for me personally.

Scott

On 4/19/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Scott, interesting you say this,
> The colleague I helped setup their SE last week went from an iPhone 5 to the
> SE and made that choice due to her purse / wallet thing.
>
> The iPhone 5 would fit but the 6 wouldn’t therefore she could only go for
> the SE as it would fit the purse also.
>
> Women, they’re an odd breed of creature.
>
> Simon F
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2016 7:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Iphone Se.
>
> I’m surprised there’s such interest in the small phone.  I under stand women
> wanting them with small hands, that makes total sense but I don’t understand
> the use case for most sited people or most people in general wanting a
> smaller phone.  I would think more screen is better.
> I’m glad though Apple misfiling this need, from the response here this seems
> like a much larger market than I expected.
>
> On Apr 17, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu
> > wrote:
>
> Hello Andrew.
>
> You can sell your I phone 6 S as there are various blind lists that take
> anything to do with blind technology or any main stream technology.  If you
> care to write me off list, I can give you the details.
> On 17 Apr 2016, at 12:38, Andrew Lamanche
> > wrote:
>
> That's so good to hear.  I find my 6S too big and I only got it because I
> wanted to have Alex as my voice so the chip was important.  But now that
> iphone SE has the same chip as 6S, I am really tempted to get the SE.  It's
> a shame Apple did not announce the SE sooner as I wouldn't have spent so
> much money on the 6S.  I'm not good at selling things off so I will probably
> have to keep the 6S as a backup phone.
>
> Andrew
> On 16 Apr 2016, at 19:46, jaan ali
> > wrote:
>
> Hi, i tryed it and it was very nice, battery life is very good and audio is
> also good, speed is very nice sometime i thought it is more responsive then
> my 6s plus, and you can also end calls from power key in that phone, look
> vice  it's completely like a five s
>
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> On 16-Apr-2016, at 12:35 PM, Anders Holmberg
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> Hi!
> Has anyone had their hands on the Iphone SE yet?
> I am not very happy with my Iphone 6S since its to big for me as i really
> want a small phone.
> As small as possible.
> I therefore Bought me an android Motorola Moto g and i have done some
> testing.
> But i really don’t feel comfortable with the way talkback works and also the
> way many people on the Eyes-free list is handling the movement from apple to
> Android and all i ask for.
> Maybe i am to sensible but thats the way i am.
> So now when the Iphone SE came out i was really excited about how good it
> seems to be.
> The only thing it doesn’t have is the 3d touch.
> But i don’t use that myself.
> So whats your thoughts?
> How about battery life?
> How about audio quality and such?
> I can ofcourse go and get my hands on one myself.
> But i want to hear others opinion first.
> Thanks in advance and sorry for my klunky english.
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Re: Iphone Se.

[Scott Davert]

$399 for 16 GB $499 FOR 64 GB on SE. Don't have price points for 6s
and 6s Plus handy, but you can always go look that up on Apple.com
yourself. Sound quality is about the same with the exception of what I
wrote below.

Scott

On 4/18/16, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> What’s the price compared to the 6S/6S+, and how would you compare its sound
> quality?
>> On Apr 16, 2016, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Yes I was playing with one just after they wer released.
>>
>> They are by feel just an iPhone 5s etc.
>> They feel the same shape and size but he speed is majorly increased and
>> but otherwise it's just the iPhone as we know it.
>>
>> I had to help a colleague set her's up from her iPhone 5 backup.
>>
>>
>> And for the price, I have to say I wouldn't argue about it, it appears to
>> be a great little phone
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Sunday, 17 April 2016 4:36 AM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Iphone Se.
>>
>> Hi!
>> Has anyone had their hands on the Iphone SE yet?
>> I am not very happy with my Iphone 6S since its to big for me as i really
>> want a small phone.
>> As small as possible.
>> I therefore Bought me an android Motorola Moto g and i have done some
>> testing.
>> But i really don’t feel comfortable with the way talkback works and also
>> the way many people on the Eyes-free list is handling the movement from
>> apple to Android and all i ask for.
>> Maybe i am to sensible but thats the way i am.
>> So now when the Iphone SE came out i was really excited about how good it
>> seems to be.
>> The only thing it doesn’t have is the 3d touch.
>> But i don’t use that myself.
>> So whats your thoughts?
>> How about battery life?
>> How about audio quality and such?
>> I can ofcourse go and get my hands on one myself.
>> But i want to hear others opinion first.
>> Thanks in advance and sorry for my klunky english.
>> /A
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Re: Iphone Se.

[Scott Davert]

Here's an article that may help:
http://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15138


Among the announcements at Apple's latest event, was the introduction
of the iPhone SE. IT has most of the same features as the current
flagship 6s and 6S Plus models, but was much smaller. After learning
of this announcement, I became intrigued. As an iPhone 6S user since
September of last year, one of the few complaints I had about the 6S
was its size. While I could get used to the larger phone, and kind of
did, it always felt a bit too big for my liking. While an increase in
battery life with the 6S Plus models were something I wanted to have,
and having more real estate to work with Braille Screen Input is a
nice feature, I could buy a battery case for less than the cost of the
difference in price. TO add to that, Braille Screen Input isn't
something I make very heavy use of. These were the things I considered
when weighing the 6S against the 6S Plus.

With the introduction of the SE, I was slightly skeptical. The smaller
form factor was a feature I certainly wanted, since the touch screen
is only a feature to me as a heavy braille display and bluetooth
keyboard user. However, with the lack of the newer Touch ID sensor,
combined with a smaller speaker, I wasn't sure if this was the right
choice for me.

So What Does the SE Look Like Anyway?

The outside of the SE looks very similar to the iPhone 5 and 5S
models. In fact, many people are calling it the 5SE. It is slightly
thicker than the 5 and 5S, but that's about the only external
difference between these devices. In fact, I have a case designed for
the 5S on my SE which fits it very nicely.

It's What's on the inside That Counts

While the SE has the appearance of the 5S, the internal specs are much
closer to the 6S. From an internal perspective, the SE closely mirrors
that of the 6S. The same 12 MP rear camera, the same processor, etc.
However, there are some differences worth noting. First is the touch
ID, which is still running the older 1.0 version found on the 5S. Also
lacking is the 3D touch functionality that you will find in the 6S and
6S Plus. As noted in the article linked above, the SE also has a
smaller price point than the 6S, and there is also not a 128 GB
version of the SE.

How do the two Compare?

While it seems the SE has a slightly smaller speaker than the 6S, and
thus slightly quieter, it also appears to me the distortion in the
speaker of the SE is more of an issue. The 6S allows you to turn the
volume up to one notch below the top setting without any distortion.
The SE seems to go nearly as loud, but distorts at a slightly lower
volume, slight distortion 3 notches below the max, with significant
amounts of it when you get to the last 2. The older Touch ID also
seems slower than the 6S, but quicker than the 5S. One way to help the
phone recognize your finger print more quickly is to program the same
finger in 2 times. However, that still will not bring it up to the
level of recognition found on the 6S.

In terms of speed with the loading of apps, web pages, using Siri,
input from a braille display, and overall responsiveness, the SE is
right on par with the 6S. In fact, when using Siri on both devices,
with one in each speaker or next to each ear, it produces an echo
effect. I found the recording of audio through the devices to also
produce nearly identical results. For fun, I compared briefly the 2
phones recording quality with the Voice Memos app. You can find the
6S's recording here. I recorded a very short file on the SE as well,
which you can also listen to. In terms of OCR, I also compared a
scanned document between these devices in the same environment, and
found no real difference in terms of accuracy.

Decision Time

After trying the SE for a week, and after using the 6S for several
months, I find that none of the major features of the 6S really made
enough of a difference to make me want to keep the larger device. I
was able to trade in my 6S at a Verizon store without much of a
charge, and was not penalized for changing my contract. I looked in to
doing this at the Apple Store, and was told by one individual that I
couldn't exchange it, since it was 8 months old, and because it was
too new for the Recycling Program Apple offers. I was told by another
rep that I could get $350 max back from Apple. As I wanted the 64 GB
model, this would have left me with a higher bill to pay. I'm unsure
what other carriers are offering in terms of trading in the devices.

As I wrote above, I'm a heavy braille display user on my iPhone. Since
the 3D touch functionality is not able to be launched with a braille
keyboard equivalent, I found that I almost never used this feature. As
you can see from this guide I developed for VoiceOver users on the use
of 3D touch, it is not for a lack of understanding of how the feature
works. While the Touch ID is a bit slower to recognize my print, I
don't hind it to be a very big hindrance. I also am finding thus far

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Davert]

They did announce the smaller iPad and the smaller iPhone. I kind of
wish I hadn't gotten a 6S, since the se has all the specs of the 6S
but with no 3D touch, which I almost never use anyway.

Scott

On 3/22/16, Basioli George  wrote:
> here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said
> the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>
>> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers,
>> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me
>> more than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
>>
>> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car
>> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
>>
>> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to
>> show.  Steve we miss you buddy!
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad
>>> Pro. However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many
>>> such will weaken the hype for the future.
>>>
>>> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a
>>> MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving
>>> Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:

 Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a
 total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Scott Davert]

Also, for those who want a free resource, which isn't quite as
comprehensive on pages, you may wish to check out:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/mastering-macintosh-voiceover/id899197795?mt=11
It's certainly not as extensive as this book, but it should get you started.

Scott

On 2/29/16, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> Also, when you pay for the book, you are getting three different formats,
> all for the purchase price.
>
> Way worth it.
>
> Caitlyn
>
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Remember guys and girls,
>>
>> Anne will be getting the writers cut and jonathan the publisher will be
>> creaming his cut also off the top of this.
>>
>> Everyone needs to make a living, which I have no issues with especially
>> when the book is probably a great resource.
>>
>> As it's an e-book, may be the publishers cut is lot more than it really
>> needs to be.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 4:17 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac
>> with VoiceOver
>>
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available
>>> means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible.
>>> However, I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It
>>> probably requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do
>>> other things for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem
>>> compensating somebody for something as long as it’s well researched and
>>> full of useful knowledge.
>>>
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of money—indeed
>>> it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the grand scheme of
>>> things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this priced at or above
>>> $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices from Mosen Consulting,
>>> and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that much for this
>>> knowledge.
>>>
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>
>>> DFTBA!
>>>
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:

 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
 would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or
 not.


 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was
> very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> > wrote:
>
>   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen    > wrote:
>
>   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>   clearly knows it inside-out.
>   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>   application.
>   You can learn more about the book here
>   .
>   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>   real need out there.
>   Jonathan Mosen
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Scott Davert]

If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it
should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself
for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no
charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive
tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from
blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you
feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available
and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the
resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just
like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain
things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was
enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people
would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can
tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes
a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write
a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While
I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I
only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done.

 JMO,
Scott

On 2/29/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only
> on computers and non essentials.  Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy
> it else nobody cares.  Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me
> especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the
> investment.  Some people just expect to be handed everything for free.
>
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or
>> not.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
>>> to help them make a course for it.
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>>application.
>>>You can learn more about the book here
>>>.
>>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>>>real need out there.
>>>Jonathan Mosen
>>>Mosen Consulting
>>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>http://Mosen.org 
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Support for the Braille Pen Slim on the Mac?

[Scott Davert]

Does anyone know if the Braille Pen Slim is compatible with the Mac? I
know the pen itself is supposedly supported, but someone was asking me
about the keyboard itself that doesn't include the display.

Thanks for any help!
Scott

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Re: Mac Air and Windows

[Scott Davert]

Hi Michelle.
If you have no vision, Bootcamp may be an issue for you once you have
switched to the Windows installation. I have found that Bootcamp makes
Windows run a bit faster on my macbook Air, which has 8 GB of ram, but
even with a virtual machine, things weren't too bad. As Caitlyn
pointed out, whether you choose one or the other will depend on your
system configuration.

HTH,
Scott

On 12/1/15, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> Just to add to what Chris already said, I run a virtual machine on my
> macbook air and it’s extremely fast-much faster then when I had an actual
> windows pc.  Now, granted, I have the fastest processor you can get with the
> mac air, plus I got 8 g of ram, so your mileage might vary depending on what
> specs your macbook air has.  Less ram and a slower processor will make
> things a bit slower.  Whether you notice this or not will depend on what you
> use your virtual machine for.
>
> also, you can install and configure vmware and windows independently.  I
> don’t have any sighted humans around here to help, so this was a great thing
> for me.  I think with boot camp, there is part of the process in which you
> will need sighted assistance.  I do know there is some program to allow
> blind folks to install windows with speech through the whole process, but I
> don’t know if anybody has used this successfully with a mac and boot camp.
>
> hah,
> Caitlyn
>
>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 10:39 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, and you'll find lots of comments in the mailing list archives about
>> it. There are two main ways - BootCamp and VMWare. Bootcamp lets you
>> divide up your hard drive into a mac and Windows partition then you
>> install Windows on its partition and then boot windows. It turns out Macs
>> make pretty fast Wintel boxes. This gets you the fastest Windows
>> performance but you have to reboot to switch between Mac and Windows
>> "mode". You also have to guess ahead of time how much disk space to
>> allocate between the two sides on your hard drive. VMWare lets you create
>> a "virtual machine" that looks like a generic PC to Windows but is
>> actually an app running under OSX. You have to buy VMWare and install
>> that, create the fake virtual machine and then install Windows onto that
>> virtual machine. The nice thing is when you need windows you launch VMWare
>> and your virtual machine. When you're done you just quit like any other
>> app. The Windows side creates a virtual C drive that is just a big file on
>> the Mac. You can tell VMWare to make it 100GB if you want but it will only
>> use as much space as is actually being used by the Windows files. The
>> downside is performance. For modern Macs this isn't a big deal but running
>> Windows on top of OSX is never going to be as fast as running Windows
>> directly on the hardware. So if you don't mind it being a bit slower
>> VMWare will get you a lot of flexibilty but you need Windows to run as
>> fast as possible then BootCamp will be your ticket.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 11/30/15 7:48 PM, Michelle's Home emails wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Michelle here,
>>>
>>> Can I have windows installed on my Mac? So can I have choice of two
>>> operating systems?  Because there are programmers which does not run with
>>> Mac or voiceover that well which windows can handle.
>>>
>>> Pardon my ignorance how is this done?
>>>
>>> I would rather take to  uni my Mac it weighs far less and is great on the
>>> battery life, particularly if I want to study on my long journey home
>>> which is about two to three hours train ride.
>>> Michelle
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Smart Beetle with the Mac via USB?

[Scott Davert]

HI all.
Has anyone been able to connect to the Mac via USB with the Smart
Beetle? I've tried this under Yosemite and El cap, and neither appear
to work. I've also connected other displays via USB on this Mac, and
they function just fine. According to the manual, this is supposedly
working. I've even connected this Smart Beetle to a
Windows computer via USB which also worked fine once the correct
driver was installed.
Of course, I'm in USB mode on the Beetle when I plug it in to the Mac,
I've tried restarting the Mac, resetting the Beetle,
and of course, VoiceOver is running. Smiles.

Thanks for any insight!
Scott

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Re: Smart Beetle Display

[Scott Davert]

HI David.
The issue isn't with the braille display keyboard commands themselves,
but the keyboard emulation mode HIMS has built in to the Beetle.
Essentially, they have attempted to map out a series of commands on
their braille keyboard which are equivalent to the functionality found
on a bluetooth keyboard.

Thanks for the reply!!!
Scott

On 10/8/15, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have used a standard braille display with my iPhone. Try the iOS braille
> commands. For rotor, try dots 2 3 space, or dots 5 6 space to change rotor
> setting, whilst dot 3 space and dot 6 space is same as vertical flick with
> one finger (if memory serves, I prefer to use gestures on the touchscreen).
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 02:15, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>> I'm playing around with the ability in the Smart Beetle to emulate a
>> bluetooth keyboard. Wow, what a complicated set of commands, and what
>> an inconsistent performance of such commands. I'm running iOS 9.0.2,
>> and was able to pair the bluetooth keyboard emulation and the
>> bluetooth pairing for it as a braille display without trouble. In
>> addition to typos in the manual on this section, I'm finding many of
>> the commands are not working. For example, to double tap (the manual
>> calls it double tab), it says to press space with dots 1-4. However,
>> this does not work. f4, for going to the home screen does work.  Other
>> commands like space with dots 3 4 do not go to the previous rotor
>> setting, for example, and very few of the commands work as
>> documented in the manual. Does anyone else have experiences on this?
>> Am I doing something wrong?
>>
>> Thanks for any input,
>> Scott
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Re: Smart Beetle Display

[Scott Davert]

HI E.T.
DO you mean the Hims Notetakers mailing list? I didn't think it would
be appropriate to post this on that list, since the Beetle is not a
notetaker. Are you referring to another list?

Thanks for the reply!!!
Scott

On 10/8/15, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> Scott,
> Are you subscribed to the HIMS listserv? That would be a good place
> for your feedback to go.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
> On 10/8/2015 6:15 AM, Scott Davert wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> I'm playing around with the ability in the Smart Beetle to emulate a
>> bluetooth keyboard. Wow, what a complicated set of commands, and what
>> an inconsistent performance of such commands. I'm running iOS 9.0.2,
>> and was able to pair the bluetooth keyboard emulation and the
>> bluetooth pairing for it as a braille display without trouble. In
>> addition to typos in the manual on this section, I'm finding many of
>> the commands are not working. For example, to double tap (the manual
>> calls it double tab), it says to press space with dots 1-4. However,
>> this does not work. f4, for going to the home screen does work.  Other
>> commands like space with dots 3 4 do not go to the previous rotor
>> setting, for example, and very few of the commands work as
>> documented in the manual. Does anyone else have experiences on this?
>> Am I doing something wrong?
>>
>> Thanks for any input,
>> Scott
>>
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Smart Beetle Display

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
I'm playing around with the ability in the Smart Beetle to emulate a
bluetooth keyboard. Wow, what a complicated set of commands, and what
an inconsistent performance of such commands. I'm running iOS 9.0.2,
and was able to pair the bluetooth keyboard emulation and the
bluetooth pairing for it as a braille display without trouble. In
addition to typos in the manual on this section, I'm finding many of
the commands are not working. For example, to double tap (the manual
calls it double tab), it says to press space with dots 1-4. However,
this does not work. f4, for going to the home screen does work.  Other
commands like space with dots 3 4 do not go to the previous rotor
setting, for example, and very few of the commands work as
documented in the manual. Does anyone else have experiences on this?
Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks for any input,
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Re: Braille Support in OS X

[Scott Davert]

Hi Eileen.
Many of the iOS commands you have come to know will work great on OSX.
here's a podcast which may also help you get started.
http://applevis.com/podcast/episodes/using-braille-displays-mac

Scott

On 10/6/15, eileen.misr...@gmail.com  wrote:
> As I use the app MBraille to compose this post, I'm disheartened to even
> attempt to use my Apex with my MacBook Air. Braille is such a part of my
> daily life in so many ways, except on my Mac. Are there basic braille
> command keystrokes for VO to look at before embarking on this journey?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best,
> Eileen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 8:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>   This is exactly the kind of feedback we need. So far, the lack of
>> independent cursor tracking is a major complaint.
>>
>>   In respect to BRLTTY, I think we should leave that and just focus on
>> encouraging Apple to improve what is already in place at least in this
>> thread.
>>
>>   So far we have the lack of independent cursor tracking and little or no
>> formatting support.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>>> On 10/6/2015 6:00 AM, Blee Blat wrote:
>>> Yes, that's the biggest problem is no independent braille cursor and not
>>> enough customizations.  Also that would fix the cursor routing issues as
>>> well.
>>>
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Re: 10.11 and braille

[Scott Davert]

Hi Blee and others.
I quit upgrading my mac, but am hoping to bring a mac with EL Cap
online soon to test the latest build. The other issue, beyond what
you've outlined quite well, is that I cannot get the rotor to work on
the braille display. I can press space with dots 2-3 or 5-6 to move to
the next rotor option, but space with dot 3 or 6 do not work. I've
emailed Apple about this bug, and they simply said it would hopefully
be fixed at some point. As of Yosemite, it has not.
Regarding your Refreshabraille issue when connecting to USB, have you
tried doing this in HID mode? If you have an older Refreshabraille 18
from 2010 or earlier, this mode will not be supported.

Take care,
Scott

On 10/5/15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Just for the record, I'm not sure how much my letter did for Xcode. Apple
> had been steadily improving Xcode accessibility for years, just not at a
> pace I'd like, and version 7 still doesn't address many of my concerns. The
> processes are easier and more reliable, certainly, but VO users still follow
> some alternative procedures, and some parts are still unlabeled/not
> intuitive to use. I have to wonder if the improvements we got in 7 were more
> coincidental than the result of anything I wrote.
>
> As to an open letter for braille support, I'd suggest using the AppleVis
> contact form to put the idea forward.
>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 09:48, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps we could get with Applevis and write an open letter to Apple about
>> braille. Not just for the Mac, but for the phone too, as there are some
>> huge annoyances there too. The open letter seemed to help with xCode so
>> maybe braille can get it next.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a well presented message and reflects a lot of my feeling as
>>> well.  I do not have the driver problems you have, I’m using a Focus 40
>>> Blue but the cursor routing is a real problem.  I find the key assignment
>>> features difficult to master, things are really inconsistent like I could
>>> map space w to close a window for example but it won’t work in mail yet
>>> it will in Text edit etc, mapping across applications is not consistent
>>> for me.  Absolutely agree on the status cells and I disabled them as well
>>> on my 40 cell display.
>>>
>>>
 On Oct 4, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:

 I have  a display but I may be hitting different bugs than others so I
 wouldn't mind a list either. I have noticed that cursor routing is
 useless because there is no separate braille cursor or braille doesn't
 follow the system cursor it just moves the voiceover cursor which isn't
 what should happen. There's no way to tell if text is selected easily
 since dots 7 and 8 are used for the voiceover cursor as well as the
 highlighting of text. I don't understand what to do with these silly
 status cells at all. I turn them off on OS X and iOS because I don't
 understand how their information is at all useful especially on a small
 18-cell display.
 Braille input is also equally useless on iOS and OS X because I braille
 too quickly and the driver appears to hang. I should also point out that
 I frequently work with autocorrect and dictation turned off because I
 still get input lag typing on qwerty as well but the braille translator
 makes input lag a lot.
 I'd sell this braille display to someone if I could find one for a
 reasonable price that I could put under the laptop or keyborad since I
 don't like the braille input function at all because it doesn't work at
 all in a useful way.
 Also USB serial support is broken in OS X so that you cannot use your
 braillle display in USB mode  at least not with Refreshabraille even
 though the documentation claims it works. Bluetooth frequently drops on
 both iOS and OS X  especially after sleep / wake so often the braille
 display will not connect at all and I have to revert to speech. Braille
 also doesn't work until after the user is logged in, nor does it work in
 recovery mode. There is no braille for emoji either.
 Some of this is probably user error because OS X and iOS  probably
 handle braille differently than BRLTTY which is what I used to use. I
 moved to OS X to avoid Windows because I generally prefer UNIX shells
 and things and I thought maybe Apple had better accessibility when I
 played with it and in general I'm not unhappy with that decision. But it
 seems to me that the computer industry in general is releasing poorly
 written software for all users and so I'm thinking every OS is badly
 written and buggy so I'm giving Apple a pass on that one. It seems
 people want things in this world that give the delusion of working but
 don't actually work and that is ok if that's what people 

Re: 10.11 and braille

[Scott Davert]

No, it's not just you. Braille support is still sub-par in many cases
on OSX, with bugs I've reported 2 years ago still not fixed. Because I
only have one mac, and am heavily dependent on it, I cannot put betas
on it or risk upgrading because I'm afraid of the bugs I may
encounter. I'm still running Yosemite, and am a bit reluctant to do
this upgrade because I'm so dependent on braille.

Scott

On 10/2/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Maybe not but we don’t lie about it either.:)  That whole VW / AUDI /
> PORSCHE thing cracks me up especially from a country that claims to be so
> green.
>
> I don’t know about the braille literacy thing either to be fair.  Now this
> may have changed, I fully admit when I was in public school we still had
> public schools that were worth while and they hadn’t degraded to the point
> they are now but I as well as all the blind folks in my state at least
> received fantastic braille training as well as mobility and each blind
> student received a full free ride to college up to the cost of the degree if
> it was offered in our state school or full cost if the degree was only
> available outside the state or at certain universities like special
> technical degrees for example.  Bringing this back on topic as blind
> students we were also encouraged to work with the computers which at the
> time were Apple 2 series.  I also had a blind teacher, in the states I
> believe they are called itinerate teachers or resource teachers who work
> with blind and other disabled students to augment the class room.  Maybe
> things have changed but at least when I went to school we had a pretty good
> deal?  I see a lot of European blind engineers on different lists so I
> suspect you have something similarly forward thinking available across the
> pond?
>
> Oh and to the original poster and you, I’m in total agreement.  I’m not sure
> if the problem is that Apple doesn’t produce the hardware, I don’t suspect
> that it’s but what ever the reason the braille support is lacking and
> seriously lacking at that.  What’s interesting is the support is quite a bit
> better on the phone.  Braille at least with the focus 40 I’m using on the
> iPhone isn’t half bad, on the Mac though it’s just about unusable.  Could be
> the guy behind the keyboard (pointing at myself) but others have agreed so I
> don’t think it’s just me.
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nah Anders, I feel your pain completely.  Even iOS has acceptable braille
>> support, so it’s not as if they couldn’t port that over to OS X.  Clearly
>> nobody at Apple uses or cares about braille.  Probably because it doesn’t
>> make them any money from hardware sales.  Kinda tragic.
>>
>> Hey Scott, you can stop trolling now.  The grand old US of A isn’t exactly
>> known for its braille literacy or deep regard for environmentalism either.
>> :)
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Re: iPhone 6S+ vastly improved cellular performance

[Scott Davert]

If you plan to use 3D touch, I would think it would be worth it. I've
also noticed some improvement of battery life over the 6, though this
could be iOS 9 or something else. I know the battery in the 6S is
actually slightly smaller.

On 9/29/15, george b  wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I went from a 6 pluse to a 6s pluse and it is really fast, responsive, and
> force tuch is super
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris G
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 06:18
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S+ vastly improved cellular performance
>
> Scott,
> Did you go from a 6 to a 6s?
> I am considering it and wonder if it is worth the upgrade.
>
> Chris Grabowski
> Mystic Access
> Where the magic is in learning.
> http://www.MysticAccess.com
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> Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
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> On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 08:27:05 -0400
> Scott Granados  wrote:
>
>> Wondering if anyone else if finding their experience while on the cell
>> network is vastly improved.  I’m on T-Mobile and may be taking advantage
>> of their new bands but I don’t think they are active in my area yet do to
>> conflicts with a TV station on channel 51.  I did test at home and checked
>> the frequency used and it was the old 2 GHZ band but the connection was
>> far more stable, I never lost LTE at home and didn’t drop calls.  Well
>> done Apple, good choice going to Qualcomm for your radios, much
>> appreciated.  Are others experiencing the same either on T-Mobile or any
>> cell network in general?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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Using 3D touch with VoiceOver

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
I developed both a guide and podcast on this, so for those struggling,
maybe one or the other will help. The guide can be found at:
http://applevis.com/guides/ios-iphone-voiceover/voiceover-users-guide-3d-touch-iphone-6s
The podcast can be found at:
http://applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-using-3d-touch-voiceover-iphone-6s-and-6s-plus

Scott

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Re: ^qs about braille display issues

[Scott Davert]

Hello.
The other thing to look in to is whether the key assignments have
somehow become corrupted. I've seen this happen a few times in the
past, resetting VO preferences may fix the situation. Also, can you
get to an Apple Store or to another Mac to try it?

Scott

On 6/17/15, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hi Stef
 Have you tried to unpair your Braille Sense, maybe even go into System
 Preferences too, and take your Braille Sense out of your computer’s memory
 first? Then, if it were my braille display, I would restart my computer and
 try to pair the braille display again, just in case it’s something weird
 messed up in memory. Also, does your Braille Sense have the latest update on
 it? You might check that, too before you try and start over.

 Gigi

 On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:22 AM, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 I'm having some issues with my braille display and navigating. I'm using a
 braillesense u2 and I'd find that I cant navigate my mac using space with
 dot one etc. The mac also stops working when I use the routing buttons.
 How do I fix this?
 Thanks,
 Steph

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Re: vario ultra

[Scott Davert]

Deb.
I am finding the same thing with the JAWS driver. I'm also finding on
a few different units that just came in, that they aren't starting
properly. The unit says the charge is done, but even resetting the
unit by holding in the power button for several seconds just makes the
display flash and the OS never boots. Very, very, disappointing!

Scott

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 I have mine connected to two Iphones, an Ipad and a Mac. i've had it
 connected to the Windows machine but it has not been as satisfactory
 an experience because of the problems I've mentioned before with the
 JAWS driver. But I'm very pleased with all my apple connections.

 On 5/5/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Gene.
 I'm sure others on the list may find the answers helpful. I have not
 connected mine to my Mac yet, but have been using it with my iPhone
 for the past couple of months. What questions did you have? You may
 also find my review at:
 http://www.applevis.com/reviews/braille-devices/varioultra-20-great-start-baum

 Scott

 On 5/4/15, Jean radiofore...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All:
 Some time ago there was a discussion on this list about the Vario Ultra
 and
 how it works with Mac and I-phone.  There were a couple of people who
 are
 using this machine and I would like to be in touch with them off list as
 I
 have some questions.

 If you could please contact me at:
 radiofore...@gmail.com mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com
 I would be very appreciative.

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Re: vario ultra

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Hi Gene.
I'm sure others on the list may find the answers helpful. I have not
connected mine to my Mac yet, but have been using it with my iPhone
for the past couple of months. What questions did you have? You may
also find my review at:
http://www.applevis.com/reviews/braille-devices/varioultra-20-great-start-baum

Scott

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 Hello All:
 Some time ago there was a discussion on this list about the Vario Ultra and
 how it works with Mac and I-phone.  There were a couple of people who are
 using this machine and I would like to be in touch with them off list as I
 have some questions.

 If you could please contact me at:
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 I would be very appreciative.

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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

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Hello Myrna and Kawal.
No, the watch itself does not have braille support, but you can
control most, if not all, aspects of the watch through the iPhone app.
Myrna: I think the store on west 14th is my favorite in Manhatton,
followed by the one up by Central park. I was a bit underwhelmed at
the store in Grand Central.

Scott

On 4/23/15, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 Sorry, could you just clarify for me: were the watches you tried the sport
 models or the stainless steel models?  I’ve read lots of accounts of Apple
 stores carrying different sizes of watch, but not of the same type, and I’d
 be interested to know why people are opting for the steel model over the
 Sport if they are doing so, or whether their impression is true for both
 types.  The steel model seems to be reported as very chunky, and I’m
 wondering if the Sport improves on that.

 The watches arriving tomorrow are both the Sport because I’m in trial mode
 with these things.  The wisdom of going to the Store to actually see them
 before ordering them is nothing to getting them tomorrow, and I can see all
 the others whenever my store next carries them. :)

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Re: Eloquence for the Mac.

[Scott Davert]

Eloquimnce is the main reason I stick with Windows, as it's the only
synth I can clearly understand with my type of hearing loss, for
whatever reason. While I can use the decent braille support already
built in, Eloquince would still be way faster. isn't the current
version of this synth on the Mac server based? meaning that I can't
use it offline, and who knows what info is being shared with the
person running the server?

Scott

On 4/20/15, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 You’re certainly not the only one.  My bug report on this is here, from a
 couple of weeks back:
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Re: Help needed with DJay pro

[Scott Davert]

Bill.
Glad it was helpful. This has me reconsidering my now defunked mixing
career. I was quite heavily involved with DJing and electronic music
several years back, before we had all of these options that were
mainly accessible and before I ever used VoiceOver on the Mac. All my
mixing was done on Windows software, but there wasn't the braille
display support I needed to continue working with the software options
I was looking at.

Best of luck,
Scott

On 4/16/15, Bill Gallik wfgal...@icloud.com wrote:
 I want to post a sincere “Thank You” to Scott for directing me to the DJAY
 Podcast, that helped tremendously!

 In addition to this though, I want to confess my temporary mental meltdown
 upon initially launching DJAY Pro; seems I got myself into “System
 Preferences” for DJAY and totally spaced out that I was not in the main user
 dialog window.  One big “DUH” for me!
 * * * * * * * * *
 Bill Gallik
 wfgal...@icloud.com


 On Apr 15, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello Bill.
 This podcast may help:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/transform-your-mac-full-fledged-dj-system-algoriddim%E2%80%99s-djay-app

 Scott

 On 4/15/15, William Gallik wfgal...@icloud.com wrote:
 The first thing I would like to know is this; how do you get DJ to
 access
 any or all of your iTunes playlists?
 Thank you for any help!



 - Bill
 - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6

 On Apr 15, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi There,

 I’ve been using deejay since the first installment and had been in
 communication with algoriddim to make the app accessible.

 Considering that deejay is mainly keyboard based, it is in some ways
 more
 fun to use midi devices such as digital platters, mixers and mini
 controllers to make the experience conform to a deejay experience.

 I would start with a layout of the main features of deejay such as
 switching from library to effects, sampler to actual jogwheel
 manipulation. However, I think the sampler is not yet accessible.
 Correct
 me if I’m wrong.

 Cheers,


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 Can anybody offer any advice, suggestions or directions to our user
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Re: iOS 8.3 Accessibility bugfix list

[Scott Davert]

I agree with Kim. I had to play a form of chess trying to outsmart the
system in to moving apps around to where I wanted them. It was very
timely too, as the list of Apple apps that they put on your phone that
you can't remove got an adition for me in the form of the Apple Watch
app. Just another app I was more  easily able to move to the useless
apps folder.

Scott

On 4/15/15, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 hi,

 It was very consistent for me.  I could move anything I wanted as long as it
 didn’t reside in the bottom row of the visible page.  So, I could move items
 between pages, create folders, even drop something onto the bottom row, just
 couldn’t move something from the bottom row unless I did some sneaky thing
 where I pushed something from the bottom row up to the above row then placed
 it where I wanted it.  It worked for me, just took some thinking and
 planning to make sure I moved things in the correct order.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Apr 15, 2015, at 09:01, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm happy to see that they fix the bug where you couldn't always move icons
 on the home screen. Some apps would move and some wouldn't, there was no
 rhyme nor reason to it, it was just a bug and it was making me really
 buggy.

 Sent from my IPhone


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 In case you haven't taken the plunge yet, here is what Apple says is fixed
 for accessibility in the iOS 8.3 update:

   •Fixes an issue where using the back button in Safari causes
 VoiceOver gestures to not respond
   •Fixes an issue where VoiceOver focus becomes unreliable in draft
 Mail messages
   •Fixes an issue where Braille Screen Input cannot be used to type
 text in forms on webpages
   •Fixes an issue where toggling Quick Nav on a Braille Display
 announces that Quick Nav is off
   •Fixes an issue keeping app icons from being moveable on home screen
 when VoiceOver is enabled
   •Fixes an issue in Speak Screen where speech will not start again
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Re: Help needed with DJay pro

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Hello Bill.
This podcast may help:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/transform-your-mac-full-fledged-dj-system-algoriddim%E2%80%99s-djay-app

Scott

On 4/15/15, William Gallik wfgal...@icloud.com wrote:
 The first thing I would like to know is this; how do you get DJ to access
 any or all of your iTunes playlists?
 Thank you for any help!



 - Bill
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 On Apr 15, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi There,

 I’ve been using deejay since the first installment and had been in
 communication with algoriddim to make the app accessible.

 Considering that deejay is mainly keyboard based, it is in some ways more
 fun to use midi devices such as digital platters, mixers and mini
 controllers to make the experience conform to a deejay experience.

 I would start with a layout of the main features of deejay such as
 switching from library to effects, sampler to actual jogwheel
 manipulation. However, I think the sampler is not yet accessible. Correct
 me if I’m wrong.

 Cheers,


 On 15/04/2015, at 10:33 pm, William Gallik wfgal...@icloud.com wrote:

 Can anybody offer any advice, suggestions or directions to our user guide
 for DJ pro as a blind user?



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Re: Braille display and VO on the Mac

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It's usable, but there are some bugs and you just have to work around
them until they get fixed. As noted before, don't expect it to be like
what you would find running JAWS or something on Windows. If you have
used braille on iOS, the experience is fairly close to that in terms
of typing with the display.

Scott

On 9/3/14, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 Hi!
 Well, i could  say a lot about braille on the mac. Most of it is really
 negative.
 Tbut i can make a summary.
 Don't expect it to be like using jaws with windows or any linux based
 screenreader.
 They have a lot to improve which i've tried to tell them.
 Hopfully they will listen.
 /A
 1 sep 2014 kl. 20:02 skrev Gerard Doody jerrydood...@gmail.com:

 Hi There, I think it depends on which display you are using.  I have found
 that for use on a computer, the shorter ones, with 12, 18, even 32
 characters might not suite. However, if you have a 40 cell it works pretty
 well.  Oh, also it depends on you skills using both the mac and braille.

 I am a life-long braille user and I have connected a focus 40 and a
 braillepen12 to my macbookpro.  hth
 Jerry Doody
 jerrydood...@gmail.com
 On Sep 1, 2014, at 11:31 am, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:

 Hello,

 Here's a question to you who uses braille displays on a dayly base. Would
 you say it's easiely possible to use braille as the main output device? Or
 would you say braille on the Mac is too buggy and doesn't work to well?

 For example: I saw braille used in Wikipedia and it was a catastrophy. But
 maybe you know a way of using it efficiantly. I'd be glad for all of your
 hints.

 Thanks and
 all the best
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Re: Braille display and VO on the Mac

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If you want podcasts, the below can get you started.
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/using-braille-displays-mac
For something more advanced, like assigning braille commands to
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/assigning-braille-keyboard-command-actions-and-changing-behavior-activities-mac
There are guides available if you need written content as well.

HTH,
Scott

On 9/4/14, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hi Joe
 I think all you really need is a list of commands. I may have missed
 something here, but what braille display do you have? Some of them have
 sections in their manuals that give a list of commands for IOS and sometimes
 for the Mac. A lot of the IOS braille commands work on the Mac. My Braille
 Edge 40 has a list like that.

 Gigi

 On Sep 4, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there some sort of tutorial or something that shows people how to use
 braille on the Mac? I love using it on the iPhone, but wanna learn how to
 use it on the Mac. I mean, come on, I bought those things :-)

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 4, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It's usable, but there are some bugs and you just have to work around
 them until they get fixed. As noted before, don't expect it to be like
 what you would find running JAWS or something on Windows. If you have
 used braille on iOS, the experience is fairly close to that in terms
 of typing with the display.

 Scott

 On 9/3/14, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 Hi!
 Well, i could  say a lot about braille on the mac. Most of it is really
 negative.
 Tbut i can make a summary.
 Don't expect it to be like using jaws with windows or any linux based
 screenreader.
 They have a lot to improve which i've tried to tell them.
 Hopfully they will listen.
 /A
 1 sep 2014 kl. 20:02 skrev Gerard Doody jerrydood...@gmail.com:

 Hi There, I think it depends on which display you are using.  I have
 found
 that for use on a computer, the shorter ones, with 12, 18, even 32
 characters might not suite. However, if you have a 40 cell it works
 pretty
 well.  Oh, also it depends on you skills using both the mac and
 braille.

 I am a life-long braille user and I have connected a focus 40 and a
 braillepen12 to my macbookpro.  hth
 Jerry Doody
 jerrydood...@gmail.com
 On Sep 1, 2014, at 11:31 am, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:

 Hello,

 Here's a question to you who uses braille displays on a dayly base.
 Would
 you say it's easiely possible to use braille as the main output device?
 Or
 would you say braille on the Mac is too buggy and doesn't work to
 well?

 For example: I saw braille used in Wikipedia and it was a catastrophy.
 But
 maybe you know a way of using it efficiantly. I'd be glad for all of
 your
 hints.

 Thanks and
 all the best
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Re: Help From The Community

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Hi all.
You can't blame a guy for dumping a project that was free. if it
happened to QRead itself, or Hope, you'd have a valid point, but for
things that are free, it essentially means you support it out of your
own free time.
This seems like a good Kickstarter campaign to me. Since I purchased
the QRead software for Windows, I'm not sure I'd rebuy it. I'd
certainly not commit to buying something that doesn't exist yet, and
would require full braille support of the text before I would consider
it. IN other words, self voicing is useless to me specifically, so I
wouldn't support such a venture.

Just my thoughts,
Scott

On 12/3/13, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 one thing that a lot of people either don't realize or are ignorant of: you
 cannot place demands on developer of free software. SInce they are not being
 paid for their efforts, it ceases being worth their time to deal with the
 stresses involved. However, a paid developer is beholden to his work (and
 customers). If there are bugs, he has the responsibility to correct them.
 Simply taking the money and then abandoning the software project would be
 considered theft in most places. So, he will do what he can to keep his
 reputation and have repeat customers.

 Just something you should know.

 -eric

 On Dec 2, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:

 I have a few points here.

 First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter
 and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather
 than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you
 agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it
 was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and
 that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at
 least has some small obligation to the end-users.

 My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe
 it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide
 whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy
 it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge
 any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or
 that I may not even like.
 On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats,
 and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other
 features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate
 them.

 Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems
 beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly,
 it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it
 really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for
 Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone)
 but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is
 now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading
 experience?
 On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to
 commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are
 its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in
 principle, but what is it in practice?

 Teresa

 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan

 On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote:

 Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software
 when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or
 features that he feels aren't important or worth his time.

 And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it
 doesn't exist.

 But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not
 ever.

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Re: Follow-up On s/electing Text With a braille Display

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Hi Teresa.
The rotor kinda sorta works, bu tnot quite. I cannot seem to get space
with dot 3 or space with dot 6 to work. Have you found a way around
this when only using a braille display?

Thanks for any help!
Scott

On 11/26/13, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, all,

 A few weeks ago, some of us had a discussion about selecting text with a
 Braille display. well, I have created keystrokes in VO Utility, Braille to
 accomplish this. There are two items in the commands menu, “select text” and
 “select text in Voiceover” which pretty much cover everything. You just have
 to make sure you can move to the next rotor category (character, word, line,
 sentence, or paragraph) and then use the “select text” command. I’m not sure
 of the scope of “select text in Voiceover.” For all intents and purposes,
 except for very large documents, I’d assume it works very similarly to
 “selec@t all”.

 HtH,
 Teresa

 On the other hand, there are different fingers.

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Re: Humanware displays under Mavericks

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Hi Matt.
I can confirm what Alex is saying. The Apex works fine with Bluetooth
and USB. The Focus displays seem to be having Bluetooth issues though.
At least, from my testing yesterday. Everything functions fine on USB
from what I can tell, it's the Bluetooth connections that seem to be
having issues.

Scott

On 10/25/13, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 well, I am writing this on my Apex. All seems to be working normally for
 now, though I do not often use braille with os10. The other nice thing is
 that you can have the same grade 2 translation routine on the Mac that you
 have in iOS7. That is where the Mac will not translate what you type until
 you press space, or space-4-5. The down side to this is that you cannot see
 the word you are typing as you type it, only after you hit  space. Overall,
 though, everything seems to be working well with Humanware displays, at
 least the Apex. If it matters, I am using a Bluetooth connection.
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 Hey guys.
 Does anyone using a HumanWare display with Mavericks know if they've
 messed up accessibility? I have yet to update, but I'm seeing all these
 bugs. Probably going to wait until 10.9.1 comes out.
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Re: [HIMS-Notetakers] Mavericks and HIMS Braille displays.

[Scott Davert]

Hmm. My Braille Edge is functioning fine with Bluetooth and Mavericks.
I didn't get to test the Braille Sense products yet. The Mac I tried
this on had never been paired with the Edge before, so I'm not sure if
the problem is speratic or what.

Scott

On 10/24/13, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hi there
 I was doing okay with my braille Edge?,  in fact I told HIMS  that it was
 doing just fine. Then I had serious issues with text edit this morning, and
 thought maybe my braille display was the culprit. Then I took the braille
 display off, thinking it might help. Smart me! I tried to put it back on and
 forget it. It thought I had a braille edge 11, and it refused to pair. No
 surprise there right? And boy did I start having trouble with TextEdit
 navigating thanks, Nunneley TextEdit but everything else too. That was when
 we decided that I needed to go back to mountain kitty.
 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 24, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am using the braille edge via bluetooth on mavericks with so far no
 problem that I can tell. It was already paired before the upgrade in case
 that makes a difference.

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 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
 (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



 On Oct 23, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Hello all,

 I am forwarding this to warn those of you who may be impacted by this
 issue. it sounds like anyone using him as Braille  display may not wish
 to upgrade to Mavericks.
 Best,
 Donna

 Sent from my iPhone

 Begin forwarded message:

 From: Jenny Axler hims.je...@gmail.com
 Date: October 23, 2013 at 2:12:02 PM CDT
 To: hims-notetak...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [HIMS-Notetakers] Mavericks and HIMS Braille displays.
 Reply-To: hims-notetak...@googlegroups.com

 Attention Mac users:
 I am writing to inform you that we have discovered that the new
 Mavericks OS update breaks Bluetooth connectivity for HIMS Braille sense
 and Braille EDGE via VoiceOver.
 We are sorry for the inconvenience, however, unfortunately, there is
 nothing we can do as it is a problem in the Mac OS.
 If you are an affected Mac user, you may write to Apple’s accessibility
 team at:
 accessibility @apple.com
 I’m sorry for the disappointing news,
 Jenny


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Re: PORTABLE CHARGERS

[Scott Davert]

Hi Wayne.
My questions to you are: 1. how much do you want to spend?
2. How many charges do you wish to get out of the external battery? TO
charge an iPad once, it requires a 2.1 amp output port.

Scott

On 9/27/13, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hi there
 I can't send you a link because I got mine from Apple Store. I went to the
 store directly. I would suspect that it's on the Apple store website.
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:08 AM, wayne17a wayne...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello gigi could you please send me a link so I can read
 more about the charger thanks in advance

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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugenia Firth
 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:14 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: PORTABLE CHARGERS

 Hi there
 I have a charger that I bought from Apple that works fine for USB devices.
 I charge my headphones with it, and it works just fine. Some people think
 it's too big, but I got it because it has more power than some up.
 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 9:20 PM, wayne17a wayne...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello ,list can somebody please give me some advice on a good portable
 charger, for my devices such as a victor stream,a iphone ,and a ipad
 thanks in advance
 Wayne c
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article: What’s New in iOS 7 Accessibility for Individuals who are Blind, Deaf-blind, or who have Low Vision

[Scott Davert]

http://applevis.com/blog/apple/what%E2%80%99s-new-ios-7-accessibility-individuals-who-are-blind-deaf-blind-or-who-have-low


Introduction:

Just like the last several Autumn seasons, this one comes with another
new iOS release. And just like other releases, this release brings a
lot of new features and functions to supported iDevices. Major changes
include enhancements to Siri, a new Control Center available from
anywhere within the OS giving you instant access to several essential
controls, a revamped Notifications Center, and much more. Many blogs
and Apple themselves will be highlighting these new enhancements to
iOS, so I will not discuss them in great detail. This article, as the
title implies, deals with enhancements pertaining to accessibility:
specifically, those changes which impact individuals who are blind or
deaf-blind.



One of the joys and curses of getting a new release from Apple is that
they do not actively document the changes in accessibility with their
products. This is good for me, because it gives me the chance to share
new features with my readers, but it is also a challenge. While I have
taken care to work extensively with the new version of iOS since the
first Beta release in June, there will be things that I have missed.
I'm confident this will also be the case with other people attempting
to do the same thing. This is also part of the fun. Whenever I
discover a new feature that was not previously written about, it's
almost like solving a puzzle or getting an early Birthday present.
With that said, here are the changes Detective Davert found while
investigating accessibility with the new iOS.



General changes:

As anyone who has tried to enable VoiceOver on an iDevice can tell
you, Triple Click Home, while designed to quickly enable selected
accessibility features, by default will do nothing unless configured
or unless it is during the initial set up of the device. With iOS 7,
you can press and hold the home key and tell Siri to enable some
accessibility options such as VoiceOver, inverted colors, assistive
touch, and guided access. Simply say: “turn off VoiceOver”. Or “turn
on assistive touch”. Sadly, this does not appear to work with other
accessibility features such as Zoom, Hearing aid mode, etc. I would
hope that Apple would consider making this an option for other
accessibility features in the future, so that more users could quickly
toggle on and off settings as needed. Note that to use Siri, you must
have either a data connection to a cellular network or wifi. One can
still use the Triple Click Home function, once it's configured, but
this is just another way to quickly toggle some accessibility features
on and off. You can also tell Siri to go in to the Accessibility
Settings menu by saying “open accessibility settings”.



One mainstream feature that some may be concerned about is the
automatic updating of apps. By default, this is set to on. As anyone
who runs apps can probably tell you, developers sometimes
unintentionally break accessibility when updating various parts of
their apps. As such, many users may wish to disable this feature. To
do so, go in to Settings\iTunes  App Store and under the SHOW ALL
heading, you’ll find Updates. Double tap to toggle this setting on and
off, or tap once if not using VoiceOver.



VoiceOver changes:

The list of gestures with VoiceOver continues to grow with each major
release of iOS. This time around, one addition is the 4 finger
double-tap. This enables VoiceOver help from anywhere. So instead of
having to go in to Settings\General\accessibility\VoiceOver\VoiceOver
practice, you can now do this gesture from anywhere and then do
gestures and keyboard commands to find out their functions. This of
course, is already accomplished through VO plus K on the keyboard and
space with K with braille displays.



Another new gesture that was added is the quadruple 3 finger tap. This
will copy the last spoken text to the clipboard. This is a handy
feature, which will save a lot of time since you will no longer need
to go to the rotor to find Edit and then copy the selected text to the
clipboard. This also eliminates some need for selecting text via
gestures, as these seem to be confusing to many of the clients I work
with that choose to utilize only the touch screen.



A 3rd new gesture comes out of a new feature. To access the Control
Center, which gives you quick access to many popular toggle settings
within the iDevice, you must first tap the status bar, then swipe up
with 3 fingers. You will now be in the Control Center. Double tapping
any of the options (single tapping without VoiceOver) will toggle
settings on and off. To exit the Control Center, do a 2 finger scrub
on the home screen, or the equivalent keyboard command to activate the
back button on your external device.



Old gestures, new function:

Previously, the slide to unlock button was located directly above the
home button on iDevices. This is no longer the case. To 

Re: setting up MacBook Pro with voiceover

[Scott Davert]

Hello Jodie.
I'd like to second what Adrienne said, especially the part about
already being familiar with VoiceOver on the iPhone. Many of the
gestures you have used on your iPhone you will be able to use on the
trackpad on the Mac. Gestures such as flicking left and right, double
tapping to activate items, using the rotor, etc. I actually did a
podcast on this topic, you're free to check it out if you wish.
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/using-gestures-trackpad-mac-making-navigation-mac-similar-ios

Best of luck, and I hope you enjoy your new machine!
Scott

On 9/10/13, Adrienne Sinclair Chalmers chalmer...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi Jodie

 If I remember correctly, when you plug your new MBP in and switch it on for
 the first time, as it boots up it will speak to you and ask you if you need
 help with seeing and give you a simple keystroke to perform, can't remember
 which one:)

 If you tell it you do, it will next ask you if you know how to work
 Voiceover already, or if you would like a very short practice on a few basic
 commands which are the ones you need in order to set up your computer
 yourself. As you haven't used VO on a Mac before, I think it would probably
 be a good idea to have a go at this.

 By the way, when your computer is in this mode, it reverts to one of the
 older voices. You will soon get to have a nice HQ voice instead, so don't
 worry about that.

 Then you get to spend ages telling it who you are and where you live and all
 that sort of thing. I warn you it will at some point take a picture of you,
 so don't do what I did the time I was setting up a computer and sat there
 with wet hair with a towel wrapped round it. Not a good look.

 After you've done all that,  it chunters away to itself for what seems like
 ages Then it should, again if I am remembering correctly, or if they haven't
 changed the procedure since I last did this,  start speaking with an HQ
 voice.

 The key is to be patient. I don't think there are any short cuts. it's all
 just stuff that has to be done.

 You will be off to a head start with this because you are at least used to
 VO on your iPhone.

 Two final points, if VO seems to go off, that command f5 should always
 switch it back  on. If it's in a particularly bad mood, sometimes you need
 to do it a few times to wake it up

 Control Option h will get you the VO help menu. This is really useful as it
 has a whole load of things in it, such as all the VO commands, the sort of
 noises it makes when various things happen and some more detailed
 instructions, as well as the usual interactive help.

 Very good luck with it all.

 Best

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Resorting to iOS 5.1 with my iPod

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
I have an iPod 4 here that I would like to return to iOS 5.1. I have
the IPSW file from Apple, so I assume I should be able to do this with
no trouble?

Thanks for any help!
Scott

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Review: The Limeade 18000 MAH battery pack: a lot of power for the money

[Scott Davert]

below is a review I wrote concerning the product mentioned in the
subject. I tried to describe it as best I could for those who cannot
see pictures of it.
taken from:
http://www.applevis.com/accessory-reviews/miscellaneous/limeade-18000-mah-battery-pack-lot-power-money

Introduction
The Limeade line of products come in many different sizes to suit your
needs. They have a few packs, ranging in size from the $25 5000 MAH
battery pack to the $99 18 MAH battery pack. You can look at all the
different models to compare for yourself by searching Amazon for
Limeade. This specific review only covers the 18 MAH version. The
higher the number, the more it costs, but also the larger the device
and more juice you get to power your devices.
Description
The 18000 MAH version of this pack measures 4.9 x 3.1 x 0.9 inches and
weighs 13 ounces. TO give an idea of how that compares to other
devices, it's about as long as my iPhone 5, is slightly wider than the
iPhone 5, and is about 2 times as thick. There is only 1 button on the
device, which can be found on the side of the battery pack. It is
located closest to the micro USB port. When you orient the button so
that it is on the left side and is closest to you, all other functions
are on the front of the pack. The button you never need to use, as the
device auto turns on and off when something is connected and
disconnected from it. Pressing the power button once will cause the
LED to briefly flash to indicate the amount of power the pack has
remaining. Pressing it twice rather quickly will turn on the
flashlight. Pressing it again twice will turn this off. . As indicated
previously, the micro USB port is located on the left front of the
unit. next to that, you'll find the LED light, which doubles as a
flashlight and battery power indicator. To the right of that, you will
find 2 USB ports which, yes, will allow you to charge 2 devices at the
same time. Next to the LED light is a 1 AMP USB port, which works fine
for iPhones and other accessories with smaller batteries, and to the
right of that is a 2.1 amp USB port. This is most suitable for
charging tablets and other accessories that have larger batteries. You
can charge iPhones and other acessories with either port, but you must
charge tablets with the 2.1 amp port. I didn’t notice much of a
difference in speed when charging my iPhone 5 with the 2.1 amp port
versus the 1 amp.
What's in the box.
In the box is the battery pack itself, along with a USB cable which
has a standard USB connector to plug in to the pack, and then the
other end doubles as a micro USB connector or 30-pin Apple connector,
which Apple used up until last year for all of its devices. You simply
move the 30-pin connector out of the way when you wish to use the
Micro USB cord.
Operation and impressions
One of the biggest concerns I had with this pack was the flashlight
feature. The button seems hard to bump, and would take 2 fairly quick
bumps to activate, so this doesn't really bother me as I thought it
would. The lack of an accessible way for me to check the power
available kind of stinks, but it pretty much comes with the territory,
unless you want to shell out the same amount of money for a battery
pack which talks, but only has 1/3 of the capacity. I have charged my
iPhone with this device 4 times, this includes the case with the
additional battery, and the Limeade has still not gone dead. From
reading reviews, it appears as though the battery pack takes about
12-14 hours to charge completely, so I'll do that once the pack goes
dead, which will probably be soon.
One of the nice things about this pack is that I don't have to worry
about fiddling with the button on the side. It has an auto turn on and
turn off feature which works whenever you connect or disconnect a
device being charged. I've carried this device in my pocket, but it
was a bit hefty to carry around, as there was no room for anything
else in that pocket, so I usually kept it at home or in my office in
my bag.
One of the draw-back to the Limeade line of products is that they do
not come with a wall charger, but you can use the included cable to
charge from your computer, or use a wall power supply of your own to
charge the device. I wish a wall charger had been included, but I have
several laying around, so it wasn't a big deal. It also did not come
with a lightning connector, also not a big deal, as I can simply use
the USB cable that came with my phone, but it's something the user
should be aware of when purchasing the product.
Concluding remarks
This device seems to work very well. There are a couple of draw-backs,
which I mainly can address given the other equipment that I have. The
biggest draw-back, particularly with a large capacity battery such as
this, is that there is no way to really know how much battery power I
have left. If I use it with devices that I know the MAH capacity of
like my iPhone 5, or a certainly braille display, I can do the quick
math in my head and keep a 

Re: VoiceOver online manual

[Scott Davert]

Hi Daniela.
I assume you mean for the Mac?
http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html

HTH,
Scott

On 8/15/13, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all:
 I have been trying to find the VoiceOver online manual latest version in the
 Apple accessibility page, but I just can't find it. If somebody has the
 direct link, I would appreciate your help very much!
 Best

 Daniela Rubio T
 iphone: +34662328507



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Re: VoiceOver online manual

[Scott Davert]

Here's a Mountain Lion version of it. This may be easier so that
anyone can just grab it at any time. I'm not trying to step on your
toes, I just thought this could be easier and already had the link to
the plain text version. I'll leave it on Dropbox for awhile.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/94145902/getting_started_with_ML.txt

HTH,
Scott

On 8/15/13, Brian Miller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd love a copy!  Thanks so much...

 brianrmille...@gmail.com.

 Thanks,

 Brian


 On 8/15/13, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 Hi all,
 a while back, perhaps? for regular lion, I created a text edition of this
 manual sending it to anyone who wrote me privately.  Let me do the same
 for  this one.  as nice as on line can be, there are advantages to simply
 using  a manual outside of the device as you learn.
 any takers, send me a private note.
 Kare

 On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Scott Davert wrote:

 Hi Daniela.
 I assume you mean for the Mac?
 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html

 HTH,
 Scott

 On 8/15/13, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all:
 I have been trying to find the VoiceOver online manual latest version
 in
 the
 Apple accessibility page, but I just can't find it. If somebody has the
 direct link, I would appreciate your help very much!
 Best

 Daniela Rubio T
 iphone: +34662328507



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Re: corection, was VoiceOver online manual

[Scott Davert]

Hi Karen.
Do you have the same version I have? I'd be curious to know. And, as I
said, I wasn't trying to step on any toes, but I had this version of
the file already in the folder, so provided the public link. I had put
it there in November and forgotten about it until you mentioned the
txt file.

Take care,
Scott

On 8/15/13, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 Thanks for providing this.
 Granted I am using lynx, so the link took me directly in and I was able to
 save  a .txt file using lynx effortlessly.
 No idea what happens in a more graphical setup though.
 so, I have the file and will send away if anyone meets with a challenge
 getting  a clear text copy.
 I will also keep it  in the event people seek it and the file is gone.
 best use of dropbox I have found in a while.  I simply  have others use my
 own ftp space when file sharing requires due to major size.   requires less

 effort in my person ale
 experience.  Your experiences clearly vary lol.
 Karen

 On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Scott Davert wrote:

 Here's a Mountain Lion version of it. This may be easier so that
 anyone can just grab it at any time. I'm not trying to step on your
 toes, I just thought this could be easier and already had the link to
 the plain text version. I'll leave it on Dropbox for awhile.
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/94145902/getting_started_with_ML.txt

 HTH,
 Scott

 On 8/15/13, Brian Miller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd love a copy!  Thanks so much...

 brianrmille...@gmail.com.

 Thanks,

 Brian


 On 8/15/13, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 Hi all,
 a while back, perhaps? for regular lion, I created a text edition of
 this
 manual sending it to anyone who wrote me privately.  Let me do the same
 for  this one.  as nice as on line can be, there are advantages to
 simply
 using  a manual outside of the device as you learn.
 any takers, send me a private note.
 Kare

 On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Scott Davert wrote:

 Hi Daniela.
 I assume you mean for the Mac?
 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html

 HTH,
 Scott

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 Hello all:
 I have been trying to find the VoiceOver online manual latest version
 in
 the
 Apple accessibility page, but I just can't find it. If somebody has
 the
 direct link, I would appreciate your help very much!
 Best

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Re: How do you delete music from your iPhone?

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Hi Chenelle.
I'm assuming you're running iOS 6. Find the song you wish to delete,
and then flick up with one finger to the delete action, and double
tap. That's it. If you're running something with iOS 5, I think the
process is more involved, unless there was a more simple way to do
this before that I was not aware of.

HTH,
Scott

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Re: corection, was VoiceOver online manual

[Scott Davert]

Hi kare.
No, it appears to be the same. It's the manual as you'd find it on the
Apple website at the link I provided to it on the web. SO we have the
same exact file then.

Cheers,
Scott

On 8/15/13, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 Hi there,
 Not sure why any toes would be involved lol.
 Same version of what exactly?
 If the text file you kindly provided does not match the text of the manual
 link on the apple site, then I will swiftly create it anyway.
 My idea was to generate a copy of the file that would give others an
 alternative to reading the chapters on the site itself.
 Has the ml manual been updated since you created the one you shared?
 Kare
 Kare

 On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Scott Davert wrote:

 Hi Karen.
 Do you have the same version I have? I'd be curious to know. And, as I
 said, I wasn't trying to step on any toes, but I had this version of
 the file already in the folder, so provided the public link. I had put
 it there in November and forgotten about it until you mentioned the
 txt file.

 Take care,
 Scott

 On 8/15/13, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 Thanks for providing this.
 Granted I am using lynx, so the link took me directly in and I was able
 to
 save  a .txt file using lynx effortlessly.
 No idea what happens in a more graphical setup though.
 so, I have the file and will send away if anyone meets with a challenge
 getting  a clear text copy.
 I will also keep it  in the event people seek it and the file is gone.
 best use of dropbox I have found in a while.  I simply  have others use
 my
 own ftp space when file sharing requires due to major size.   requires
 less

 effort in my person ale
 experience.  Your experiences clearly vary lol.
 Karen

 On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Scott Davert wrote:

 Here's a Mountain Lion version of it. This may be easier so that
 anyone can just grab it at any time. I'm not trying to step on your
 toes, I just thought this could be easier and already had the link to
 the plain text version. I'll leave it on Dropbox for awhile.
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/94145902/getting_started_with_ML.txt

 HTH,
 Scott

 On 8/15/13, Brian Miller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd love a copy!  Thanks so much...

 brianrmille...@gmail.com.

 Thanks,

 Brian


 On 8/15/13, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 Hi all,
 a while back, perhaps? for regular lion, I created a text edition of
 this
 manual sending it to anyone who wrote me privately.  Let me do the
 same
 for  this one.  as nice as on line can be, there are advantages to
 simply
 using  a manual outside of the device as you learn.
 any takers, send me a private note.
 Kare

 On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Scott Davert wrote:

 Hi Daniela.
 I assume you mean for the Mac?
 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html

 HTH,
 Scott

 On 8/15/13, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all:
 I have been trying to find the VoiceOver online manual latest
 version
 in
 the
 Apple accessibility page, but I just can't find it. If somebody has
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 Best

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 iphone: +34662328507



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Podcast: Using braille displays with iDevices

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Hi all.
Just thought I'd pass this along. I did this podcast after recording
my Using Braille Displays with the Mac and getting some requests for
it. I go through some general info, demo pairing a braille display,
show some commands, and finally how to get help.

I hope this helps someone, somewhere
Scott
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/using-braille-displays-idevices-very-bumpy-subject

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Re: alva?

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Hi Buddy.
The Alba kind of reminds me of the old Braille Lites in that sense.
You had a lot of flash memory that you couldn't do much beyond reading
with, and very little in the way of memory available for editing of
documents.
Cait: As for the Brailliant, if the Edge isn't an option, I would also
go with that. Though the Focus may suit you better as an input
keyboard if you prefer the spacebar closer to the keyboard. If you are
thinking of the Brailliant which does not have an input keyboard,
which I'm guessing you are based on your message, there is a newer
model called the Brailliant BI. I don't believe the older Brailliant
displays are even on the market anymore.

Scott

On 8/1/13, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name wrote:
 If you want braille input, check out the Himbs Braille Edge. It’s $1000
 cheaper, it has an SD card slot (so you can read your library books), plus
 other basic notetaker functions. I have the Alva, and its built-in text
 editor is stupid. For one thing, you’v got this 4GB flash drive that you
 can’t access from the thing, the text editor/reader only access the smaller
 couple MB drive. Seems a waste if you ask me.
 --
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 Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



 On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 why do you prefer the brilliant over the alva?
 I looked at the brilliant and while it seems sturdy, you can't do braille
 input on it.
 Interested to know your reasons…
 thanks,
 Cait

 On 2013-08-01, at 10:51 AM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I like the Brailliant from Humanware a lot better than the Alva.
 On 2013-08-01, at 10:51 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com
 wrote:

 Hi,  It does work, but if I were you I would go back to your funder and
 request something else.  I teach the bc640 and it's the bain of my
 existence.  The dots fail all over the place and the support is
 abominable.  Some of my resellers won't even sell it because the cost to
 support it isn't worth the markup.

 Now I'll have probably offended some users who have a bc640 and love it,
 and haven't had their one unit fail, but After seeing 10 or 15 of them
 in the last 3 years with about %50 attrition, I can't keep on
 recommending them.  Especially with the braille edge and the brailliant
 BI available.  Even a focus blue would be better than an alva.

 Best,

 Erik Burggraaf
 Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through
 the ontario disability support program at
 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

 On 2013-08-01, at 10:38 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks Buddy.
 I just had a vender here try and tell me it doesn't.  I just got
 funding for one, so just wanted to check.
 Cait

 On 2013-08-01, at 10:36 AM, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name wrote:

 It sure does.
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 Hi,
 Does anybody know if the alva bc640 works with the mac?
 Thanks,
 Caitlyn

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Re: alva?

[Scott Davert]

Hi again Kait.
If they did not allow you to see the Brailliant BI, it has expanded
quite a bit. There are now thumb kieys on the front, braille input
keys, and it will of course connect to iDevices. however, I will say
that I do not like the design of the input keyboard, as the spacebars,
yes there are 2 of them, are too far from the rest of the keys.
however, that's personal preference, so you may not find it is that
big of a deal.

I hope this helps,
Scott

On 8/1/13, Kevin Mattingly kdmattin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have an 80 character Brailliant and a Braille Connect 40. The Braille
 Connect has input capabilities and is decent but I seldom use the input keys
 on it.

 Kev
 On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 thanks Buddy.
 I did want the braille edge, but ADP doesn't cover that one,
 unfortunately.
 It was either the brilliant, the focus ones, or the alva.
 The brilliant they showed me had no input keys and was very simple.
 lol, I hate humanware, so didn't want to go with the brilliant for that
 reason plus the no input keys.
 I'm glad I said something now, because I might be able to change it before
 everything gets ordered.
 Cait

 On 2013-08-01, at 11:53 AM, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name wrote:

 If you want braille input, check out the Himbs Braille Edge. It’s $1000
 cheaper, it has an SD card slot (so you can read your library books),
 plus other basic notetaker functions. I have the Alva, and its built-in
 text editor is stupid. For one thing, you’v got this 4GB flash drive that
 you can’t access from the thing, the text editor/reader only access the
 smaller couple MB drive. Seems a waste if you ask me.
 --
 Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
 Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



 On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 why do you prefer the brilliant over the alva?
 I looked at the brilliant and while it seems sturdy, you can't do
 braille input on it.
 Interested to know your reasons…
 thanks,
 Cait

 On 2013-08-01, at 10:51 AM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I like the Brailliant from Humanware a lot better than the Alva.
 On 2013-08-01, at 10:51 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com
 wrote:

 Hi,  It does work, but if I were you I would go back to your funder
 and request something else.  I teach the bc640 and it's the bain of my
 existence.  The dots fail all over the place and the support is
 abominable.  Some of my resellers won't even sell it because the cost
 to support it isn't worth the markup.

 Now I'll have probably offended some users who have a bc640 and love
 it, and haven't had their one unit fail, but After seeing 10 or 15 of
 them in the last 3 years with about %50 attrition, I can't keep on
 recommending them.  Especially with the braille edge and the
 brailliant BI available.  Even a focus blue would be better than an
 alva.

 Best,

 Erik Burggraaf
 Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through
 the ontario disability support program at
 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

 On 2013-08-01, at 10:38 AM, Cait and Maggie
 caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Buddy.
 I just had a vender here try and tell me it doesn't.  I just got
 funding for one, so just wanted to check.
 Cait

 On 2013-08-01, at 10:36 AM, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name
 wrote:

 It sure does.
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 Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



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 caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 Does anybody know if the alva bc640 works with the mac?
 Thanks,
 Caitlyn

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Re: Seeking Feedback on Using Braille Displays with the Kindle App

[Scott Davert]

Hello Christina.
I echo Annie's thoughts. Also, I noticed with some magazine content
that sometimes, when pressing space with o to turn pages, the display
does not advance. However, pressing it a second time will move you
forward 2 pages. So I'm guessing there is some sort of refresh issue
with braile?

Take care,
Scott

On 7/31/13, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Christina.

 Kindle with braille works great. The only problem is that I have some
 problems by going into the text via the table of content. The other issue I
 have is that the braille display can be a little slow when you set the
 kindle app to the largest pages possible. I think kindle can do something
 about that problem.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den Jul 31, 2013 kl. 12:23 AM skrev Cristina Hartmann
 cristina.hartm...@gmail.com:

 Hi all,

 I'm pretty new here, so excuse me if I'm doing this wrong. Let me know the
 protocol.

 Anyway, someone from Amazon's Kindle team contacted me today to see how
 the braille display was working with the Kindle App that I'm using on the
 iPhone and iPad. I've sent him some feedback, but you guys may have more
 experience with it than I do.

 So, please let me know what kind of experiences you've had with the Kindle
 App.

 Thanks!
 Cristina

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Re: Bluetooth Brail Display without Keyboard

[Scott Davert]

Eric is correct about the Pen. I, too, would recommend the Brailliant
24, if you can find one. Also, if you wish to use a display and need
to unhide the virtual keyboard, press space with 1-4-6 and it will
toggle it on and off.

HTH,
Scott

On 7/24/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 I'm not sure but I think you have it backwards.  :)  There's a braille input
 output model with display and keyboard, and there's a braille input model
 with keyboard only.

 It doesn't really make any sense not to have the input feature on any modern
 display really.  Although, having said that, a switch that locks the
 controls would be nice for people who don't want braille input and no one
 has that as far as I know.

 Best,

 Erik Burggraaf
 Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the
 ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

 On 2013-07-23, at 10:37 PM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Isn't the braille pen a good  very affordable option?  I believe they
 have a model with 12Cells and no keyboard.

 http://www.braillepen.com
 On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:01 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com
 wrote:

 Brailliant classic 24 sounds like your baby.

 You can probably even find one cheep.

 Hope this helps,

 Erik Burggraaf
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 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
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 On 2013-07-22, at 6:11 PM, Brian Unitt bcun...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am looking for a compact bluetooth brail display that does not have a
 brail keyboard, to use with my iPad. any suggestions. I am using a
 Refreshabrail display right now but the brail keyboard overrides my
 qwerty keyboard which is my preferred input method.

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Re: braille edge display and voice over?

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
I've had to fight with the Edge to get it installed on 64-bit versions
of Windows, and have found that it only works with Bluetooth on
Windows 8. So if you are considering purchasing this device and run
bootcamp, that's something you should be aware of.
At this time, NVDA only supports input with uncontracted braille,
though you'll find that if you have JAWS installed, if you can get the
driver working, that it offers full contracted braille support.
Mountain Lion also offers fully contracted braille support, as does
the iPhone.
I went with this display after saving up for one because I found it
suited my needs the best. 40 cells of braille with some added
functionality with very little added on to the price over displays
without other features. I also like the keyboard on the Edge better
than the other displays on the market at this time, though that's
personal preference. The keys on the newer Focus models just feel
strange, the Brailliant keyboard has awkwardly placed spacebars, and
the Alba is just too big.

Hope this helps,
Scott

On 7/10/13, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:
 Cheree Heppe here:
 Enable Mart sells the Braille Edge as well as other solutions.  There appear
 to be downloadable Windows drivers to make Window Eyes and JAWS work with
 the Edge.

 Sent from my IPhone 4S

 On 10/07/2013, at 17:45, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric,
 Thanks tons!
 This is totally helpful.  It doesn't surprise me about WE at all.  I don't
 use fusion all that much, just for my school and I can live with maybe using
 computer braille for that if needs be.  I won't be buying anymore sma's for
 that program after version 8.0 I don't think..
 the rest sounds great, though.  I've been struggling along with my old bps
 for awhile now, so having 40 cells sounds a treat but I got used to 32
 cells.
 Cait

 On 2013-07-10, at 7:46 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:

 As of mountain lion you should be able to write in grade two just as with
 all other supported displays.  Window-eyes and nvda support might be
 another matter.  The brochure says it does work with both, although
 window-eyes braille support at least has fallen substantially behind the
 times.  For example, you won't be able to read and write grade two with
 WE.  Also note that for best results, you'll have to be running the latest
 screen reader version.  I have version 8 here and it's listed though I
 don't have a demo unit to try.

 The braille edge is gorgeous.  I seriously considered buying one, but my
 6-year-old braille connect is still working as it did on the day I first
 took it out of the box and hooked it up to my mobilespeak pocket pc phone.
  I don't really need 40 cells either.  32 has been the perfect size for me
 and I want to stick with it.  Another potential detraction from the
 brailleedge is the fact that executive products hasn't made a case for it
 yet.  That's huge if you want to use it with an IPhone.

 All in all though, , it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if I could find
 some clients who want brailleedge training.  It's just an all around nice
 unit.

 Have fun,

 Erik Burggraaf
 Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the
 ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

 On 2013-07-10, at 6:51 PM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Gigi,
 Thanks so much for getting back to me on this.
 Canyou write on grade 2 with it with vo?
 Cait

 On 2013-07-10, at 6:44 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Kate
 I had a brill age 40 for almost a year now. It works great for my mac
 and it also has a standalone option for writing all kinds of stuff on
 it. I haven't yet used it with windows but the manual says it works with
 Jaws  at least. I have also used with my iPhone. I don't remember what
 the manual says about window eyes.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 10, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,
 anybody here have any experiences to share with using the braille edge
 display with voice over and the mac?  I'm considering getting this
 display and would like any feedback about it.  I've been reading about
 and it looks promising.
 I'm also wondering about using it within vm fusion with window eyes
 and/or nvda..  the primary use would be with the mac and voiceover,
 though.
 Thanks for any and all help with this.
 Cait

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Re: MacBook Air upgrade options

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
I assume if I want to upgrade my MacBook Air, I have to send it back to Apple?

Thanks,
Scott

On 7/16/13, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's my thinking too. I'll upgrade from the baseline processor to a
 mid-level, then get 8GB ram and a 256 SSD (ccan't really afford a 512 ssd)

 - Original Message -
 From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: Macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 7:58 PM
 Subject: Re: MacBook Air upgrade options


 Hi,

 For the majority of folks, The difference between the midlevel and high end

 processor won’t be noticed much.  I would much rather spend my money on RAM

 and an SSD.  The performance upgrade is noticeable, and immediate.

 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info

 On Jul 15, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

 Windows does a lot of disk read/write and folks I know who went with an
 SSD seem to have things start up much faster. I generally try to overbuy
 on the parts I can't upgrade as I keep my machines for a long time to
 justify the cost (7 years or more). Today's high end is tomorrow's minimum

 bar.

 CB

 On 7/14/13 7:08 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 I currently have an iMac with quad core I5 processor, 8gb ram, and
 7200rpm HD. Running fusion5/win7 with Jaws I find it totally responsive,

 no lag at all. I guess that's why I'm so happy with windows in a virtual

 machine. And, I'm using the default fusion5 settings of 1 core and 2gb
 ram assigned to the VM.

 I'll most likely trick out the Air with 8GB and 256GB ssd. It's the
 processor I'm wondering about. My experience with hardware upgrades,
 especially processors, is that moving up one or two grades is worth the
 money, but moving up to the utmost upgrade generally doesn't return much

 for the money involved. So, I'll probably bump up the processor a bit
 from the base-line I5 1.3 GHZ.

 - Original Message - From: Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:45 PM
 Subject: Re: MacBook Air upgrade options


 Hi Phil,

 I have only ever worked with a MacBook Pro running 4gb of ram and with
 a 320 hard drive (not an SSD). From my experience, the virtual
 machine setup with usable for tiems when you only want to run Windows
 for a few minutes, in somewhat limited situations. What I have found,
 however, is that after setting up Boot Camp on my computer, I see no
 difference in performance whatsoever. I have been running my system
 under Windows exclusively over the past week or so for school-related
 things that I need Microsoft Word for, and it is though I were running
 on a PC. I always found Fusion with Windows and JAWS, or any other
 screen-reader, to be very sluggish, especially if I had other programs
 running in the background, no matter how much I increased available
 memory to the VM through Fusion settings.

 Now, this is only my opinion and thoughts, of course. It very well
 may be that for most people this set up works perfectly fine. Indeed,
 I made it work for me for around a year or so. However, for
 day-to-day reliable performance, I found I needed Windows under Boot
 Camp, and again, thank you to all on this list who helped me to
 achieve that. Your patience was and is very kind and appreciated.

 I considered upgrading my RAM, etc. and certainly increased RAM may
 help, but I'm not certain how much. I know that VoiceOver likes to
 say Busy, busy, busy in programs sometimes, and I remember that I
 have had the same issues with that as someone who had 2 gb of ram.
 But ram is always supposed to be the biggest factor in immediate
 increased performance.

 Thanks,

 Harry

 On 7/14/13, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 I want to be able to run fusion/win7 on a macbook air with as little
 degradation of performance as possible. What would you think would be
 the
 minimum upgrades necessary to a Macbook Air 13 inch? I assume 8GB
 memory,
 256 SSD, and a processor upgrade of some kind - what would the list
 recommend for processor?

 Also, what advantages do the Macbook Pro have over the Air? is it
 worth
 considering a Pro over an Air model?

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Re: a couple questions about IOS 7

[Scott Davert]

For the record, iOS 7 will be available for the iPhone 4 and higher,
all iPads except for the original, and only the 5th gen iPod. They did
confirm that it will be a fall release, but didn't specify a date. My
somewhat educated guess would be September, but you really never can
tell with Apple.

Scott

On 6/11/13, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 Awesome Michael thanks much.

 \

 On 6/10/13 21:58, Michael Babcock, Marketing and Sales Manager, Commtech
 LLC wrote:
 You will be able to update your iPad 2, via settings, general, software
 update. The iPad 2 will be supported on iOS 7 according to the worldwide
 developers convention today.

 Michael Babcock
 Marketing and Sales Manager
 Commtech LLC
 Web: http://commtechusa.net
 phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 704
 Fax: (480) 535-7649

 On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:52 PM, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,

 Firstly, when it is available what will the page show that has IOS 7 on
 it?  Will it show a download link like?

 Secondly, is IOS 7 going to work on the old Ipad 2's?


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Re: IOS 7 did I hear something right?

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
I think the voices they were using in the demo were Vocalizer
Expressive. The male voice, at any rate, sounds like an expressive
version of Tom. However, for me at least, there was not a long enough
sample to really be sure that's what it was.

Scott

On 6/11/13, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Krister.

 I am a dane, and I agree with you. It is a large part of the good things
 with an IPhone which we can not use for much, this is a disaster.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den Jun 11, 2013 kl. 12:15 PM skrev Krister Ekstrom
 kris...@kristersplace.com:

 Hi,
 Speaking of international, i wonder how international Siri is going to be.
 Personally as a Swede i get quite angry and annoyed that Siri, that can do
 so much and apparently gets more and more functions only is fully
 available in the big language areas such as English, German, French,
 Chinese and so on. That was acceptable a couple years back when Siri first
 came, but it isn't anymore as i see it. I'm willing to bet that Sweden and
 Scandinavia among other small and insignificant language areas will never
 see Siri fully implemented and so i think that Apple could as well take
 the whole Siri thing away from those phones and pads seeing as we'll never
 be able to fully benefit from it. Oh sure we could switch to english and
 use it there, but that means we'll lose our high quality VO voice, and i
 do not want to do that.
 /Krister

 11 jun 2013 kl. 01:37 skrev Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com:

 Perhaps there are new international voices as well? Or maybe, they are
 just a few of the new expressive voices, which comtain voices from the
 SVox and Loquendo things, which were bought by Neuance?

 Sent from my iPod

 On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Ray Foret jr rfore...@att.net wrote:

 You're assuming it's either one or the other.  I guess (and it's only a
 guess mind you) that, while in the Voice OVer settings, One will be able
 to choose between the new male and female voices;  and, gone is
 Samantha.


 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
 blind built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

 On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net
 wrote:

 Weather the new Siri voices are also going to be new VoiceOver voices
 makes the question if not, will the new Siri voice be used at all  if
 VO is on.



 Danny.
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 11/06/2013, at 7:45 AM, Tyler Thompson tktpianostud...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 yes, siri has a new improved voice, and you can change it to a male
 voice

 --apps have always been able to run in the background to some degree
 but now there's smart logic to give priority to apps that you use
 often, it preserves battery life.


 On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Michael Babcock, Marketing and Sales
 Manager, Commtech LLC michael.babcoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey guys,
 Pretty sure when Siri was being demonstrated at the worldwide
 developer convention this morning, I heard a much more clearer female
 voice, alongside with I mail voice that was demonstrated. Therefore,
 it would be nice if someone would be able to possibly confirm whether
 or not these features are available in voice over, to utilize these
 voices. In addition, I noticed that applications have the ability of
 running in the background now, does this mean and API tie-in for
 Fleksy?

 Michael Babcock
 Marketing and Sales Manager
 Commtech LLC
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 phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 704
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Re: braille Edge with Apple devices

[Scott Davert]

Hi Donna.
You can move a txt file over to the Edge and open it, but it will not
display in contracted braille. HIMS claims this is coming, along with
terminal clipboard in the next software release.
I've already contacted Executive Products about making a case for the
Edge, and they said they were working on it. however, this was in the
fall, and as far as I know, they have not released one.

Scott

On 3/8/13, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 Hi Eric,

 That's funny!  I'd forgotten about those old code-factory discussions.

 You know, I've never really warmed up to my Alva as much as I thought I
 would.  For one thing, I've never used the audio features in the feature
 pack, and now that I can't use it to input text, I don't use the feature
 pack at all.  And the functionality to keep files on it and read them never
 really worked very well.  It was fine for making little notes and the like,
 but not sophisticated enough to read books, which was what I wanted to do.
 So I'm hoping that the Braille Edge will be a better fit.

 And for what it's worth, I've had nothing but the best experiences with hims
 support.  I've had a braille sense since 2008, and gotten lots of mileage
 out of it.  I feel like Hims is one of the best adaptive tech companies I've
 worked with in a long time.

 Good luck justifying your upgrade, I say go for it! :)
 Take care,
 Donna
 On Mar 7, 2013, at 10:55 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com
 wrote:

 Hi Donna,

 Laughs,  I seem to remember we were looking for displays at the same time
 years and years ago on the code factory list.  I'm glad to hear you got so
 much out of your alva.

 I've never really regretted going with the braille connect but It's 5
 years old or so now, and after seeing the braille edge I'd love to find an
 excuse to upgrade to one.

 Can't really justify it.  The old braille connect has been a work horse,
 but you know…

 I've found hims support to be a bit flakey.  Updates have a way of
 breaking things, especially on apple devices.  But I like the feel of hims
 braille cells so much.  The idea of having 40 of them makes me all
 excited.  Sadly it isn't to be for me, at least not for the foreseeable
 future.


 Enjoy,
 Erik Burggraaf
 Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the
 ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
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 On 2013-03-06, at 9:05 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Gigi,

 Thanks for sending me all this.  I felt pretty confident that the Edge
 would be a good choice, but am glad to hear that it is working so well
 for you.  I think I'll move ahead as soon as I can sell my Alva.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Mar 6, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Donna
 I have a braille Edge  40, and I like it a lot. What offhand, I can't
 think of anything except one little small thing. If you use the
 Bluetooth option, and then you switch to the USB option to put it on
 your Mac, there is this Weird thing where you can't go with the space G
 option to grade to an computer braille. I got around this by usingeither
  the Bluetooth option most of the time. I think they'll fix that
 eventually.
 I guess the only other small thing that I can think of what offhand has
 nothing to do with the Mac or the iPhone or any iOS device. If you use
 the standalone option for writing and reading files, there is a slight
 bug for displaying with BRF files. If you tell the braille edge that you
 don't want to see special characters, every now and then you will get
 displayed what appears to be a blank line. This is more noticeable in
 web braille files. I just go right past it and keep going.
 You can easily go back and forth between the braille edge and the map,
 and then that never knows you left. The little card that is inside the
 Burlage can be put into the slot in a MacBook Pro, and it works real
 good. The only thing is, it will put these weird little files in there
 that I ignore most of the time, but you can delete them. They are very
 obvious, and I have been told that it is the Macintosh computer that is
 putting the files on there.

 If you want one, I think you will be doing yourself a good thing by
 getting a Bralinch. I'm glad I got mine.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 6, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm considering purchasing a Braille Edge from HIMS, which I would like
 to pair with my Mac, and my i-devices (iPhone, iPod).  Could anyone
 using that display drop me a line and let me know what you think of it,
 and how well it works with these devices?  Is there anything about it
 that doesn't work well?

 Thanks for any info you can provide.
 Best,
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Re: braille Edge with Apple devices

[Scott Davert]

Hi Annie.
I don't think you can convert files from other formats to brf, but I
wish you could. Unless there has been an update since I last used that
website back in November?

Scott

On 3/8/13, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.

 Have you tried
 www.robobraille.org

 Best regards Annie.
 On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Mark Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll second that part about needing to sneaker-net files from the Mac or
 PC to the Edge via the SD card.   A while back, I started a thread about
 Braille translation, so that I could put grade 2 Braille files on the SD
 card and sneaker-net them to the Edge for working with.  I never DID find
 a way to do that, and the sad thing is that a brute-force approach to
 literary Braille translation is pretty elementary scripting, so whatever.
 But, I like that I can use the Edge to open a file on the MBP and display
 it for me in Grade II, and I can work with it that way.  There really
 ought to be a way to essentially use the Edge as a card reader.


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Re: braille Edge with Apple devices

[Scott Davert]

Hi mark.
You're correct. You have to use the SD card, and an SD card reader if
your computer does not have one, to act as the go between in terms of
transfering files to and from the Edge. It doesn't have any internal
storage.

Scott

On 3/8/13, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Scot.

 I know the developer of www.robobraille.org, if you write me a mail of list
 in which you tells me, from which formats to brf you which to convert, I am
 sure it can be made possible.

 Best regards Annie.
 On Mar 8, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Annie.
 I don't think you can convert files from other formats to brf, but I
 wish you could. Unless there has been an update since I last used that
 website back in November?

 Scott

 On 3/8/13, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.

 Have you tried
 www.robobraille.org

 Best regards Annie.
 On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Mark Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll second that part about needing to sneaker-net files from the Mac
 or
 PC to the Edge via the SD card.   A while back, I started a thread
 about
 Braille translation, so that I could put grade 2 Braille files on the
 SD
 card and sneaker-net them to the Edge for working with.  I never DID
 find
 a way to do that, and the sad thing is that a brute-force approach to
 literary Braille translation is pretty elementary scripting, so
 whatever.
 But, I like that I can use the Edge to open a file on the MBP and
 display
 it for me in Grade II, and I can work with it that way.  There really
 ought to be a way to essentially use the Edge as a card reader.


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