Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Michael Babcock]

VOCR will take a photo of the screen and let you as the user navigate the 
screenshot and click on items in it.

It is my go to app if a Mac app isn’t accessible.

Best
Michael - KJ7PAZ
Payown Media, LLC


> On Apr 27, 2023, at 7:15 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> What exactly is VOCR? The web page didn’t really describe what it was or how 
> it works.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 7:54 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
>> 
>> I am currently running windows 11 on an M2 Mac mini. I’m using parallels, 
>> had to use VOCR in order to get through the set up process, but it’s a 
>> pretty seamless process to get going.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand 
>>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to 
 run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
 insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
 officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off 
 just getting a PC.
 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
> 
> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve 
> never attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
> parallels is.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>> 
>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>> 
>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>> 
>> How software looks like ?
>> 
>> Thank you so much, 
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
>> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Mike Arrigo]

What exactly is VOCR? The web page didn’t really describe what it was or how it 
works.

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 7:54 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> I am currently running windows 11 on an M2 Mac mini. I’m using parallels, had 
> to use VOCR in order to get through the set up process, but it’s a pretty 
> seamless process to get going.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand 
>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to 
>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off 
>>> just getting a PC.
>>> 
> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
 
 To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve 
 never attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
 parallels is.
 
> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Hope my mail finds you well,
> 
> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
> 
> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
> actually what are the available options in this regards?
> 
> How software looks like ?
> 
> Thank you so much, 
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed  
> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi,

I am also interested in running Windows on a silicon based Mac. I have always 
run Bootcamp for this on Intel, wish Apple would make this available again at 
some point in the future.
I have tried Parallels on someone’s MacBook Air M2 with 8 core cpu,  8gb ram 
and 512gb ssd. As I understand it, Parallels is the best option at the moment 
and is Microsoft supporting ARM-based Windows 11 officially now. Parallels 
downloads the Windows for you. It is not accessible unfortunately, as many 
already stated here. But when installed it is possible to start and stop the 
virtual Windows machine with Voice Over. The pricing of Parallels is a bit high 
by the way. 
I installed the latest ARM-version of Jaws 2023 and it ran pretty well without 
any stutter or weird issues. The apps which I ran in the short time with it, 
did fine. My worries are, before I buy a MacBook Pro and installing Windows via 
Parallels, is the compatibility of certain apps I must run on Windows. I have 
learned not all Windows apps will run on ARM-hardware, even not through Rosetta 
2.
Plus I still keep wondering how much speed-loss you experience while running 
Windows in such virtual machine? There must be some performance drop because 
its a operating system running in a program on an other operating system.
And no, I rather not buy a seperate Windows pc for this;)
 
Ronald


> Op 27 apr. 2023, om 16:06 heeft mattias jonsson  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> try this link for parallels desktop appstore edition
> 
> Parallels Desktop
> google.com
>  
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>Parallels
>  Desktop 
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>
> google.com 
> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe>
> 
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjClobcnMr-AhUGpIsKHTBtAG0QFnoECBMQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fse%2Fapp%2Fparallels-desktop%2Fid1085114709%3Fmt%3D12=AOvVaw3QESmYdSasYkNU7QXSbsxe
>  
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> 
>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 15:34 skrev Michael Babcock :
>> 
>> Hi
>> It is not!
>> 
>> Hear are 2 resources that may help:
>> 
>> VOCR: https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR
>> Downloads – Install Parallels 
>> Desktop,https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/download/
>> Using Parallels for Mac (2022) 
>> https://www.applevis.com/forum/macos-mac-apps/using-parallels-mac-2022
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 5:35 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok will try Parallels is this on the app store?
>>> 
>>> On 4/26/23, Joe Hodge  wrote:
>>>> UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much
>>>> easier using VOCR.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: mattias jonsson 
>>>> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP
>>>> 
>>>> dont use utm
>>>> utm dont support tpm etc
>>>>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand
>>>>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to
>>>>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the
>>>>>> Microsoft insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which
>>>>>> has not been officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be
>>>>>> better off just getting a PC.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the onl

Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Michael Babcock]

Hi
It is not!

Hear are 2 resources that may help:

VOCR: https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR
Downloads – Install Parallels 
Desktop,https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/download/
Using Parallels for Mac (2022) 
https://www.applevis.com/forum/macos-mac-apps/using-parallels-mac-2022

Hope this helps.


> On Apr 27, 2023, at 5:35 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Ok will try Parallels is this on the app store?
> 
> On 4/26/23, Joe Hodge  wrote:
>> UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much
>> easier using VOCR.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: mattias jonsson 
>> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP
>> 
>> dont use utm
>> utm dont support tpm etc
>>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>> 
>>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand
>>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to
>>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the
>>>> Microsoft insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which
>>>> has not been officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be
>>>> better off just getting a PC.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I've
>>>>> never attempted to do this, so I'm not sure as to how accessible running
>>>>> parallels is.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple
>>>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or
>>>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you so much,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
>>>>>> 
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Re: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[lenron brown]

Ok will try Parallels is this on the app store?

On 4/26/23, Joe Hodge  wrote:
> UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much
> easier using VOCR.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: mattias jonsson 
> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP
>
> dont use utm
> utm dont support tpm etc
>> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
>>
>> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand
>> they have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to
>>> run Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the
>>> Microsoft insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which
>>> has not been officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be
>>> better off just getting a PC.
>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I've
>>>> never attempted to do this, so I'm not sure as to how accessible running
>>>> parallels is.
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple
>>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13?
>>>>>
>>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or
>>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>>>
>>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
>>>>>
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RE: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Joe Hodge]

UTM worked for me but it was a bit tricky installing. Paralells was much easier 
using VOCR. 

- Original Message -
From: mattias jonsson 
Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 11:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

dont use utm
utm dont support tpm etc
> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
> 
> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
> have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
>> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
>> getting a PC.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I've never 
>>> attempted to do this, so I'm not sure as to how accessible running 
>>> parallels is.
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>>> 
>>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>>> 
>>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>>> 
>>>> How software looks like ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much, 
>>>> 
>>>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
>>>> 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[mattias jonsson]

dont use utm
utm dont support tpm etc

> 27 apr. 2023 kl. 02:30 skrev Herbie Allen :
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> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
> have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
>> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
>> getting a PC.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
>>> parallels is.
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Hope my mail finds you well,
 
 What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
 Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
 
 I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Michael Babcock]

I am currently running windows 11 on an M2 Mac mini. I’m using parallels, had 
to use VOCR in order to get through the set up process, but it’s a pretty 
seamless process to get going.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
> have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
>> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
>> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
>> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
>> getting a PC.
>> 
 On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  
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>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running 
>>> parallels is.
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Hope my mail finds you well,
 
 What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
 Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
 
 I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
 actually what are the available options in this regards?
 
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Herbie Allen]

I just saw a post from someone about an option called UTM. I understand they 
have made some recent changes to improve accessibility.


> On Apr 26, 2023, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
> Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft 
> insider program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been 
> officially released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just 
> getting a PC.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels 
>> is.
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>>> 
>>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple 
>>> Silicon with Mac OS 13? 
>>> 
>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>>> 
>>> How software looks like ?
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much, 
>>> 
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Mike Arrigo]

Last I checked, Parallels was not accessible with Voiceover, in order to run 
Windows on an Apple Silicon Mac, you need to sign up for the Microsoft insider 
program and download Windows for ARM processors which has not been officially 
released. If you need to use Windows you would be better off just getting a PC.

> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels 
> is.
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>> 
>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple Silicon 
>> with Mac OS 13? 
>> 
>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
>> actually what are the available options in this regards?
>> 
>> How software looks like ?
>> 
>> Thank you so much, 
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed  
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[mattias jonsson]

but the latest vmware fussion for m1 have an audio bug
so litle unusable now

> 26 apr. 2023 kl. 16:35 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> On 26/4/23 09:13, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
>> attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels 
>> is.
> 
> Reports that I've read suggest that its configuration process is not 
> accessible. However, VMWare is active in accessibility, so I would suggest 
> checking their offerings for the ARM-based Mac hardware.
> 
> I don't plan to run Windows on my Mac, so I haven't investigated the details. 
> Everything I care about that I might run under Windows has a Mac OS version 
> with working accessibility.
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[mattias jonsson]

and please dont get in on the crap called utm

> 26 apr. 2023 kl. 16:34 skrev Kelly Ford :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Parallels is doable but requires that you add an app called VOCR to your 
> system to read the OS install screens. GitHub - chigkim/VOCR 
>  is where you can get this.
> 
> There are several steps to getting this installed involving giving various 
> permissions but the steps on the GitHub web page are pretty clear on what you 
> need to do.
> If you then choose File:New, in Parallels you can run OCR and issue mouse 
> clicks on the get windows option and then continue. Rerun OCR and then issue 
> a mouse click on Install Windows.
> 
> Things should be automatic from that point until you can launch Narrator.
> 
> You’ll likely want to use a utility called Sharp Keys, to remap caps lock in 
> the Windows OS.
> 
> There is a third option beyond Fusion, which did recently announce a 
> production version of Fusion for the M1 and M2 Macs.  UTM, available from the 
> Mac App Store or as a download, is a GUI front end to an open source 
> virtualization platform called QEMU. You can create VMs on the M1 and M2 Macs 
> here by starting with a VHDX file from the Windows Insider program.  There 
> are more hoops you have to jump through with UTM but it also works.
> 
> I’ve used all three of these solutions with success on an M1 Mac. BTW, Fusion 
> has a free personal license you can obtain. Parallels has I believe about a 
> $99 a year subscription for the basic option and I think $119 for the Pro, 
> which includes command line support and more.
> 
> I am working on a audio demo of installing and such with Parallels and hope 
> to have it done in a couple days.
> 
> Hit, if you install the Linux options with Parallels, the default password 
> created for the account that Parallels creates, is the same as your Mac OS 
> password. I’m sharing this because at least for me the answer wasn’t 
> immediately obvious.
> 
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>   Two choices that I am aware of. VMware Fusion and Parallels. I know 
>> nothing about Parallels. I run VMware Fusion  on my Intel-based Mac. I would 
>> look into this being that you have an M1 though.
>> 
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>>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
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>>> How software looks like ?
>>> Thank you so much,
>>> Mohamed E. Fayed
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 26/4/23 09:13, Jessica Moss wrote:

To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels is.


Reports that I've read suggest that its configuration process is not 
accessible. However, VMWare is active in accessibility, so I would 
suggest checking their offerings for the ARM-based Mac hardware.


I don't plan to run Windows on my Mac, so I haven't investigated the 
details. Everything I care about that I might run under Windows has a 
Mac OS version with working accessibility.


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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

Parallels is doable but requires that you add an app called VOCR to your system 
to read the OS install screens. GitHub - chigkim/VOCR 
 is where you can get this.

There are several steps to getting this installed involving giving various 
permissions but the steps on the GitHub web page are pretty clear on what you 
need to do.
If you then choose File:New, in Parallels you can run OCR and issue mouse 
clicks on the get windows option and then continue. Rerun OCR and then issue a 
mouse click on Install Windows.

Things should be automatic from that point until you can launch Narrator.

You’ll likely want to use a utility called Sharp Keys, to remap caps lock in 
the Windows OS.

There is a third option beyond Fusion, which did recently announce a production 
version of Fusion for the M1 and M2 Macs.  UTM, available from the Mac App 
Store or as a download, is a GUI front end to an open source virtualization 
platform called QEMU. You can create VMs on the M1 and M2 Macs here by starting 
with a VHDX file from the Windows Insider program.  There are more hoops you 
have to jump through with UTM but it also works.

I’ve used all three of these solutions with success on an M1 Mac. BTW, Fusion 
has a free personal license you can obtain. Parallels has I believe about a $99 
a year subscription for the basic option and I think $119 for the Pro, which 
includes command line support and more.

I am working on a audio demo of installing and such with Parallels and hope to 
have it done in a couple days.

Hit, if you install the Linux options with Parallels, the default password 
created for the account that Parallels creates, is the same as your Mac OS 
password. I’m sharing this because at least for me the answer wasn’t 
immediately obvious.


Kelly



> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Two choices that I am aware of. VMware Fusion and Parallels. I know nothing 
> about Parallels. I run VMware Fusion  on my Intel-based Mac. I would look 
> into this being that you have an M1 though.
> 
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> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>> What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple Silicon 
>> with Mac OS 13?
>> I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or 
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>> How software looks like ?
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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

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   Two choices that I am aware of. VMware Fusion and Parallels. I know 
nothing about Parallels. I run VMware Fusion  on my Intel-based Mac. I 
would look into this being that you have an M1 though.


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On 4/26/2023 5:10 AM, Mohamed Fayed wrote:

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

What is the recommended method for running windows 10 or 11 on Apple Silicon 
with Mac OS 13?

I may run either windows 10 or 11. What would be the best option? Or actually 
what are the available options in this regards?

How software looks like ?

Thank you so much,

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Re: Running Windows on Apple Silicon MBP

[Jessica Moss]

To my knowledge, parallels is the only way to do this.  However, I’ve never 
attempted to do this, so I’m not sure as to how accessible running parallels is.

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Re: Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

[E.T.]

   I also prefer this approach, makes it less likely that I will be 
inadvertently thrown into the Mac environment by a misused keystroke.


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Many believe that we have been visited
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On 5/29/2018 12:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Hello,

I prefer to go a different direction.

I disable the universal Macintosh keystrokes like command-tab in the VM 
and make the VM view a Full screen view. When doing this, the only 
things that MacOS will interpret while in Windows are the Caps Lock and 
the VoiceOver commands which really only seem to block table navigation.



Then I can either press:
control-command followed by command-tab to switch back into Macintosh 
environment.
or use the three or 4  finger swipe left / right gestures from System 
Settings - trackpad  -  More Gestures


So when I go into the More gestures area and change those three finger 
swipe left/right to four finger swipe left/right I can easily swipe 
right to go to MacOS  and swipe left with four fingers to go to Windows.


HTH,


Jonathan Cohn

On May 29, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kliphton Miller > wrote:


Command tab works just fine for me.

On May 29, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Dennis Clark > wrote:


Hello everyone,
I have just installed Windows 7 on a Mac Mini running Fusion. I have 
no experience using Fusion, and I could use some pointers on how I 
can move back and forth between High Sierra and Windows. Other 
suggestions from experienced Fusion users would be very appreciated. 
Thanks in advance.

Dennis

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Re: Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

I prefer to go a different direction.

I disable the universal Macintosh keystrokes like command-tab in the VM and 
make the VM view a Full screen view. When doing this, the only things that 
MacOS will interpret while in Windows are the Caps Lock and the VoiceOver 
commands which really only seem to block table navigation. 


Then I can either press:
control-command followed by command-tab to switch back into Macintosh 
environment.
or use the three or 4  finger swipe left / right gestures from System Settings 
- trackpad  -  More Gestures

So when I go into the More gestures area and change those three finger swipe 
left/right to four finger swipe left/right I can easily swipe right to go to 
MacOS  and swipe left with four fingers to go to Windows.

HTH,


Jonathan Cohn 
 
> On May 29, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> Command tab works just fine for me.
> 
>> On May 29, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Dennis Clark > > wrote:
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>> I have just installed Windows 7 on a Mac Mini running Fusion. I have no 
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>> experienced Fusion users would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>> Dennis
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Re: Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi
I also use command tab to jump between Mac OS and Fusion.

> On 29 May 2018, at 19:24, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> Command tab works just fine for me.
> 
>> On May 29, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Dennis Clark > > wrote:
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>> experienced Fusion users would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>> Dennis
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Re: Running Windows 7 on VMware Fusion

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Command tab works just fine for me.

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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There are but no accessible way from what i know.
/A
> 1 okt. 2015 kl. 06:50 skrev Singing Sparrow :
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> Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Singing Sparrow]

what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out 
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Scott Granados]

You will need some sort of emulator.  Fusion would still require windows as I 
understand things because all that is is a virtual environment for hosting 
virtual machines which would still need to have an OS installed.

Wine may work if there’s a Mac port.

> On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> what about whine?
> 
> On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 12:50 AM
>> Subject: Running windows programs on the mac.
>> 
>> 
>>> Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
>>> windows?
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

You could also try Crossover which tries to run Windows apps without 
Windows by mapping all the Windows APIs to Mac APIs. It's built on Wine. 
I don't know how accessible it is but they have a free trial so you 
could give it a whirl.


https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-mac/

A bit about their support of the Wine project:

https://www.codeweavers.com/about/support_wine/

CB

On 10/1/15 10:46 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

An app called Wineskin is what I used to run an audio game on the Mac. Thing 
is, that game was self-voicing. I don't think there's a way to use Wine to 
emulate both your program *and* a screen reader, which is where the problem is. 
Sighted users can do this because they don't need a screen reader to be running 
at the same time, but if you need speech and the program in question isn't 
self-voicing, I don't think you can do it. Sorry.

On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:21, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:

strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least that is 
what i read on the program.

On 10/1/2015 8:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" <sunsh...@abe.midco.net>
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what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing windows?

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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Singing Sparrow]

strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least 
that is what i read on the program.


On 10/1/2015 8:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

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what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out 
installing windows?


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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Alex Hall]

An app called Wineskin is what I used to run an audio game on the Mac. Thing 
is, that game was self-voicing. I don't think there's a way to use Wine to 
emulate both your program *and* a screen reader, which is where the problem is. 
Sighted users can do this because they don't need a screen reader to be running 
at the same time, but if you need speech and the program in question isn't 
self-voicing, I don't think you can do it. Sorry.
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:21, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least that 
> is what i read on the program.
> 
> On 10/1/2015 8:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" <sunsh...@abe.midco.net>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 8:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: Running windows programs on the mac.
>> 
>> 
>>> what about whine?
>>> 
>>> On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>>> Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 
>>>> <sunsh...@abe.midco.net>
>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 12:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Running windows programs on the mac.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
>>>>> windows?
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

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what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

There is a macport, but to run the windows app plus a screen reader for 
Windows that would allow it to speak accessibly is pretty much a nogo.


Chris.

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Subject: Re: Running windows programs on the mac.


You will need some sort of emulator.  Fusion would still require windows as 
I understand things because all that is is a virtual environment for hosting 
virtual machines which would still need to have an OS installed.


Wine may work if there’s a Mac port.

On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> 
wrote:


what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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<sunsh...@abe.midco.net>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
windows?


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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

I was going to say. You're not going to really get anything good out of this. 
The best solution honestly is a virtual environment. Getting it to work with 
Wine might be doable, but finding out whether an application will work with 
Wine, then tweaking it to work correctly is incredibly tedious. I've found 
through personal experience that most of the time, if it isn't in the Wine 
AppDB, it isn't worth the effort.

Nicolai
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> There is a macport, but to run the windows app plus a screen reader for 
> Windows that would allow it to speak accessibly is pretty much a nogo.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Running windows programs on the mac.
> 
> 
> You will need some sort of emulator.  Fusion would still require windows as I 
> understand things because all that is is a virtual environment for hosting 
> virtual machines which would still need to have an OS installed.
> 
> Wine may work if there’s a Mac port.
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>> 
>> what about whine?
>> 
>> On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 
>>> <sunsh...@abe.midco.net>
>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 12:50 AM
>>> Subject: Running windows programs on the mac.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>>> windows?
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Toldja.

Chris.

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To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Running windows programs on the mac.


An app called Wineskin is what I used to run an audio game on the Mac. Thing 
is, that game was self-voicing. I don't think there's a way to use Wine to 
emulate both your program *and* a screen reader, which is where the problem 
is. Sighted users can do this because they don't need a screen reader to be 
running at the same time, but if you need speech and the program in question 
isn't self-voicing, I don't think you can do it. Sorry.

On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:21, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:

strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least 
that is what i read on the program.


On 10/1/2015 8:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Running windows programs on the mac.



what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK then, let  someone else chime in and correct me wrong.

Chris.

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strange but thought from what i was reading it was accessible? at least 
that is what i read on the program.


On 10/1/2015 8:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not accessible.  Trust me, I've tried, and it was a disaster.

Chris.

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Subject: Re: Running windows programs on the mac.



what about whine?

On 10/1/2015 6:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not unless you want to do it in a virtual machine with VMWare Fusion.

Chris.

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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
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Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

WINE would be just the thing for audiogames, if anybody has figured out how to 
actually do it.  I’ve never got it to work.

There are tools such as WineBottler and WineSkin that can help you wrap Windows 
binaries plus dependencies inside an app package.  In theory they should work 
for such applications.  I’ve never got it to work, even though they don’t make 
any system-wide changes and are entirely self-contained.

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Re: Running windows programs on the mac.

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

no. 
> On 01 Oct 2015, at 6:50 AM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
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> Is there anyway to run windows programs on the mac with out installing 
> windows?
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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Phil Halton]

the mac OS treats the caps lock key not as an actual key press, but as a more 
low-level system wired event. and neither Fusion nor bootcamp have access to 
that key. there is no caps lock available when running Windows on the mac via 
bootcamp or fusion. What needs to be done is to remap a key to act as either an 
insert or caps lock key, and then  set your screen reader to use insert or caps 
lock as its modifier key.

What I’ve done is to remap the grave accent key (above the tab key) to act as a 
caps lock  key. I’ve done this by using the sharpkeys program under windows to 
remap the caps lock and grave accent keys so that they each do what the other 
key used to do. That is, the grave accent key produces an caps lock  
key press, and the caps lock produces a grave accent/tilde key press.

Then,  I use the grave accent key as the jaws modifier key, and if I really 
need to get a grave accent or tilde, never have needed either yet, then I can 
get them by pressing the caps lock or shifted caps lock.
It’s a little weird, but it works well enough.
There are a few ways to do this, but I think the simplest way for you to go is 
to use the fusion remap facility. Of course, this assumes you’re using fusion 
and not bootcamp. You don’t say which method you use for running windows.

In fusion, you can remap the grave accent, or another key of your choice, to 
act as an insert key in windows.

Why don’t you tell us which it is and then maybe we can help you through the 
process.
  
Of course, you can render all this moot by buying a Wired USB full-size apple 
keyboard which does have an insert key, and plugging it in when you want to 
work in windows.

On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Juliette Swiler jmswi...@samobile.net wrote:

 Hi,
 I am wondering if I run System Access to Go as my screen reader under 
 Windows, how can I get to the System Access menu, the caps lock doesn’t want 
 to seem to work, and the only other option is insert, which I don’t think the 
 laptops offer. Is there an alternative to the insert key on a laptop? I have 
 even tried the bypass command for VoiceOver, but both screen readers seem to 
 say caps lock on or off at the same time and therefore the keystroke in 
 windows is not executed. Any help with this would be appreciated.
 
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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Brent Harding]

Hmmm, did they change this in more recent Mac hardware? I have an older mac 
that I run XP boot camped on, and JFW commands with caps lock works fine. 
This is in boot camp, and things might not work that way in fusion or on 
newer hardware.


- Original Message - 
From: Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com

To: Macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: running Windows on a Mac


the mac OS treats the caps lock key not as an actual key press, but as a 
more low-level system wired event. and neither Fusion nor bootcamp have 
access to that key. there is no caps lock available when running Windows on 
the mac via bootcamp or fusion. What needs to be done is to remap a key to 
act as either an insert or caps lock key, and then  set your screen reader 
to use insert or caps lock as its modifier key.


What I’ve done is to remap the grave accent key (above the tab key) to act 
as a caps lock  key. I’ve done this by using the sharpkeys program under 
windows to remap the caps lock and grave accent keys so that they each do 
what the other key used to do. That is, the grave accent key produces an 
caps lock

key press, and the caps lock produces a grave accent/tilde key press.

Then,  I use the grave accent key as the jaws modifier key, and if I really 
need to get a grave accent or tilde, never have needed either yet, then I 
can get them by pressing the caps lock or shifted caps lock.

It’s a little weird, but it works well enough.
There are a few ways to do this, but I think the simplest way for you to go 
is to use the fusion remap facility. Of course, this assumes you’re using 
fusion and not bootcamp. You don’t say which method you use for running 
windows.


In fusion, you can remap the grave accent, or another key of your choice, to 
act as an insert key in windows.


Why don’t you tell us which it is and then maybe we can help you through the 
process.


Of course, you can render all this moot by buying a Wired USB full-size 
apple keyboard which does have an insert key, and plugging it in when you 
want to work in windows.


On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Juliette Swiler jmswi...@samobile.net wrote:


Hi,
I am wondering if I run System Access to Go as my screen reader under 
Windows, how can I get to the System Access menu, the caps lock doesn’t 
want to seem to work, and the only other option is insert, which I don’t 
think the laptops offer. Is there an alternative to the insert key on a 
laptop? I have even tried the bypass command for VoiceOver, but both 
screen readers seem to say caps lock on or off at the same time and 
therefore the keystroke in windows is not executed. Any help with this 
would be appreciated.


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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Grant Hardy]

Yes, agreed. When using Boot Camp, Windows has complete control of the keyboard 
so the caps lock key works absolutely fine for screen reading commands. The 
only issues would be when using software like Fusion or VMWare to run Windows 
in a virtual machine.

Grant

On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Brent Harding br...@hostany.net wrote:

Hmmm, did they change this in more recent Mac hardware? I have an older mac 
that I run XP boot camped on, and JFW commands with caps lock works fine. This 
is in boot camp, and things might not work that way in fusion or on newer 
hardware.

- Original Message - From: Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com
To: Macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: running Windows on a Mac


the mac OS treats the caps lock key not as an actual key press, but as a more 
low-level system wired event. and neither Fusion nor bootcamp have access to 
that key. there is no caps lock available when running Windows on the mac via 
bootcamp or fusion. What needs to be done is to remap a key to act as either an 
insert or caps lock key, and then  set your screen reader to use insert or caps 
lock as its modifier key.

What I’ve done is to remap the grave accent key (above the tab key) to act as a 
caps lock  key. I’ve done this by using the sharpkeys program under windows to 
remap the caps lock and grave accent keys so that they each do what the other 
key used to do. That is, the grave accent key produces an caps lock
key press, and the caps lock produces a grave accent/tilde key press.

Then,  I use the grave accent key as the jaws modifier key, and if I really 
need to get a grave accent or tilde, never have needed either yet, then I can 
get them by pressing the caps lock or shifted caps lock.
It’s a little weird, but it works well enough.
There are a few ways to do this, but I think the simplest way for you to go is 
to use the fusion remap facility. Of course, this assumes you’re using fusion 
and not bootcamp. You don’t say which method you use for running windows.

In fusion, you can remap the grave accent, or another key of your choice, to 
act as an insert key in windows.

Why don’t you tell us which it is and then maybe we can help you through the 
process.

Of course, you can render all this moot by buying a Wired USB full-size apple 
keyboard which does have an insert key, and plugging it in when you want to 
work in windows.

On Nov 20, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Juliette Swiler jmswi...@samobile.net wrote:

 Hi,
 I am wondering if I run System Access to Go as my screen reader under 
 Windows, how can I get to the System Access menu, the caps lock doesn’t want 
 to seem to work, and the only other option is insert, which I don’t think the 
 laptops offer. Is there an alternative to the insert key on a laptop? I have 
 even tried the bypass command for VoiceOver, but both screen readers seem to 
 say caps lock on or off at the same time and therefore the keystroke in 
 windows is not executed. Any help with this would be appreciated.
 
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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[christopher hallsworth]

You will have to somehow remap the caps lock key to a key on your mac such as 
the accent key.
 On 20 Nov 2014, at 12:20, Juliette Swiler jmswi...@samobile.net wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I am wondering if I run System Access to Go as my screen reader under 
 Windows, how can I get to the System Access menu, the caps lock doesn’t want 
 to seem to work, and the only other option is insert, which I don’t think the 
 laptops offer. Is there an alternative to the insert key on a laptop? I have 
 even tried the bypass command for VoiceOver, but both screen readers seem to 
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Re: running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

[Tristan]

Hi Justin,
You need an ISO image of Windows to load up a VM. You can find these
from sites such as Digital River, just make sure you buy a key first.


On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and
 requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a
 virtual machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to
 create the Vm, but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm is
 located?  This away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I have
 mounted.
 Thanks for any help you can offer,
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Re: running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

[Justin Mann]

Hi there,

I did ghet the Iso image of windows, and so far that has seemed to work to get 
the vmware installation running.  Is there anything different that I should do 
as far as keyboard mapping etc?  Also, do you think that a Macbook air could 
handle a screen-reader as well?  I'm running the 1.7 I7 with 8 Gb of ram.
Thanks,

On Jul 10, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Justin,
 You need an ISO image of Windows to load up a VM. You can find these
 from sites such as Digital River, just make sure you buy a key first.
 
 
 On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and
 requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a
 virtual machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to
 create the Vm, but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm is
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Re: running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

[Tristan]

I'm running an i7 MacBook air with 8 gigs of RAM, and the Air handles
Windows better than any of my high end dedicated Windows laptops ever
had. I dedicate one core to Windows and 4 gigs of RAM while it's
running, leaving 4 gigs and the other Core for the Mac.
I use a combination of  Karabiner (Previously keyRemap4Macbook), Siel
(Previously known as PcKeyboardHack), and Sharp Keys in the actual VM.
If you want more information, I can help you off list. I have a setup
where my Windows, alt and ctrl keys are all set up to a PC layout
inside the VM only, and my capslock routes to the insert key for
JAWS/NVDA. I also have it set so I can use capslock as the VO modifier
(ctrl+option), which is easier in some cases, but not all.
The key remapping process can be rather extensive, so again, if you
want to use the layout I described, shoot me an email off list.
Hope this helps.



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 Hi there,

 I did ghet the Iso image of windows, and so far that has seemed to work to
 get the vmware installation running.  Is there anything different that I
 should do as far as keyboard mapping etc?  Also, do you think that a Macbook
 air could handle a screen-reader as well?  I'm running the 1.7 I7 with 8 Gb
 of ram.
 Thanks,

 On Jul 10, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Justin,
 You need an ISO image of Windows to load up a VM. You can find these
 from sites such as Digital River, just make sure you buy a key first.


 On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and
 requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a
 virtual machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to
 create the Vm, but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm
 is
 located?  This away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I
 have
 mounted.
 Thanks for any help you can offer,
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Re: running Windows on a Mac

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Curious where the memory requirements info came from? I have a stock 
Dell Windows 7 box which uses 2.15GB with no apps running while my Mac 
Pro Mavericks box with no apps running takes 1.8GB. Maybe my own 
machines are somehow unusual so I'd be curious where you found out about 
Windows taking less memory. To me they seem pretty similar.


CB

On 6/14/14, 7:59 AM, Kevin Barry wrote:

Certainly.
Either way.
Windows actually requires less memory than does OS x.

At 09:54 PM 6/13/2014, you wrote:
I am trying to find out if a Mac Book Air would have enough memory to 
run windows either with boot camp or fusion? Thanks.


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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Kevin Barry]

Certainly.
Either way.
Windows actually requires less  memory than does OS x.

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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Marianne Denning]

I am running Bootcamp on my MacBook Air and it does fine.  I don't
have a lot of things that would require a lot of disc space.

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Re: running Windows on a Mac

[Cameron Strife]

Hi. I installed windows seven via bootcamp on my girlfriend's 2012 mac
book air and it runs fine with jaws and multiple applications running
as well as anti virus. You should be fine for general computing tasks.

Cameron.




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Re: running Windows on a Mac

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I have several friends who are using windows on MacBook air yes it definitely 
works and it works with Mavericks




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Re: running Windows on a Mac

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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Scott Berry]

I am brave enough to try this but where is the write up is tat in the archives 
of the list?


On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 There was a write up about this. It pretty much count the times you hit enter 
 and left and right arrows. But if you forget a step, you will get stuck.
 
 Technically to answer your question, installing Windows is not accessable. 
 You can do Bootcamp untill you hit the Install Button. After that it is 
 sighted required. Unless you are brave enough to follow exact directions and 
 try it out.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
 iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Question.  Is there any way to set up Bootcamp without sighted assistance?  
 Seems to me I remember seeing something about that.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yes, that is why Apple have the App called Bootcamp. When you go to 
 Bootcamp and start the process, it will require a usb drive to download the 
 latest drivers.
 
 Also, keep in mind, many sighted people use Options to pick which operating 
 system to boot from, but with Bootcamp you can go to Preferences then to 
 Startup, and say restart in Bootcamp. Then in the Windows side, in the 
 system try, there is a bootcamp icon there, click that and click restart in 
 OSX. Pretty nifty.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
 iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you for the advice so far.
 
 I don't know why I said parallels, what I really meant was Boot Camp. I do 
 want the experiences to be separate.
 
 If I have a windows installation cd and I'm using boot camp, are the 
 drivers found automatically for me?
 
 Traci 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com 
 wrote:I
 
 Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
 bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
 to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
 machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
 none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
 different macs at this point.
 
 If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
 1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
 ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
 required.
 
 Just my two cents...
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day 
 dream
 in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
 done pretty well.
 First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to 
 use
 VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot
 Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
 The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends
 using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel 
 and
 except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I 
 know. So
 getting help is sometimes challenging.
 If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
 have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
 Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
 I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
 finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite 
 well.
 But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
 I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with
 Windows7 but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course.
 be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve
 whatever conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found 
 it
 to be pretty challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has
 been hit and miss too.
 Having said that, I'd probably do it again.
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like 
 to
 have a Mac 

Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Daniel Hawkins]

Hats off to anyone who is brave enough to do this. I know it is possable it can 
be done. It just I like more control of what I want to do.

Chris, thanks for the write up. Who know, I may one day do that. lol.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
4GB Dual Channel DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
NVDA installed

Phonak Compilot





On Feb 27, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am brave enough to try this but where is the write up is tat in the 
 archives of the list?
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 There was a write up about this. It pretty much count the times you hit 
 enter and left and right arrows. But if you forget a step, you will get 
 stuck.
 
 Technically to answer your question, installing Windows is not accessable. 
 You can do Bootcamp untill you hit the Install Button. After that it is 
 sighted required. Unless you are brave enough to follow exact directions and 
 try it out.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
 iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Question.  Is there any way to set up Bootcamp without sighted assistance?  
 Seems to me I remember seeing something about that.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yes, that is why Apple have the App called Bootcamp. When you go to 
 Bootcamp and start the process, it will require a usb drive to download 
 the latest drivers.
 
 Also, keep in mind, many sighted people use Options to pick which 
 operating system to boot from, but with Bootcamp you can go to Preferences 
 then to Startup, and say restart in Bootcamp. Then in the Windows side, in 
 the system try, there is a bootcamp icon there, click that and click 
 restart in OSX. Pretty nifty.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
 iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you for the advice so far.
 
 I don't know why I said parallels, what I really meant was Boot Camp. I 
 do want the experiences to be separate.
 
 If I have a windows installation cd and I'm using boot camp, are the 
 drivers found automatically for me?
 
 Traci 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com 
 wrote:I
 
 Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
 bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
 to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
 machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
 none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
 different macs at this point.
 
 If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
 1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
 ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
 required.
 
 Just my two cents...
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day 
 dream
 in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
 done pretty well.
 First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have 
 to use
 VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use 
 Boot
 Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
 The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted 
 friends
 using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel 
 and
 except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I 
 know. So
 getting help is sometimes challenging.
 If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
 have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
 Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
 I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
 finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite 
 well.
 But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
 I think 

Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[isaac]

I think you should go with windows 7 operating system. Next will NVDA work on 
it yes NVDA will work on a windows 7 operating system.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to 
 have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a 
 super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for running 
 Windows.
 
 We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth 
 keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a good 
 deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I want 
 OSX  Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
 
 I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the top 
 of my head.
 
 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes is 
 too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned Macs.  
 Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is one.  Power 
 of the machine, price, etc.
   

 http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
 
 
 I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it, but 
 the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
 
 Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
 Traci
 
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Cameron Strife]

A current mac mini would run windows no problem via a vm or via
bootcamp. And yes, you'll be able to run NVDA on it.




On 2/26/14, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think you should go with windows 7 operating system. Next will NVDA work
 on it yes NVDA will work on a windows 7 operating system.
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
 have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
 super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
 running Windows.

 We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth
 keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a
 good deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I
 want OSX  Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.

 I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the
 top of my head.

 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes
 is too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned
 Macs.  Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is
 one.  Power of the machine, price, etc.


 http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN


 I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it,
 but the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.

 Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
 Traci

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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Deb Lewis]

Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream in 
my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be done 
pretty well.
First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to use 
VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot Camp 
if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends using 
Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and except 
for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. So getting 
help is sometimes challenging.
If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll have 
to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box. Fortunately the 
Mac doesn't need so much. 
I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I finally 
wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite well. But that 
doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with Windows7 
but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course. 
be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve whatever 
conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it to be pretty 
challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has been hit and miss 
too. 
Having said that, I'd probably do it again. 


On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to 
 have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a 
 super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for running 
 Windows.
 
 We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth 
 keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a good 
 deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I want 
 OSX  Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
 
 I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the top 
 of my head.
 
 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes is 
 too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned Macs.  
 Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is one.  Power 
 of the machine, price, etc.
 http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
 
 
 I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it, but 
 the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
 
 Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
 Traci
 
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Cameron Strife]

Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
different macs at this point.

If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
required.

Just my two cents...

Cameron.





On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream
 in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
 done pretty well.
 First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to use
 VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot
 Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
 The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends
 using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and
 except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. So
 getting help is sometimes challenging.
 If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
 have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
 Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
 I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
 finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite well.
 But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
 I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with
 Windows7 but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course.
 be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve
 whatever conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it
 to be pretty challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has
 been hit and miss too.
 Having said that, I'd probably do it again.


 On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
 have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
 super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
 running Windows.

 We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth
 keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a
 good deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I
 want OSX  Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.

 I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the
 top of my head.

 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes
 is too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned
 Macs.  Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is
 one.  Power of the machine, price, etc.
 http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN


 I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it,
 but the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.

 Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
 Traci

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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Traci]

Thank you for the advice so far.

I don't know why I said parallels, what I really meant was Boot Camp. I do want 
the experiences to be separate.

If I have a windows installation cd and I'm using boot camp, are the drivers 
found automatically for me?

Traci 

 On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com 
 wrote:I
 
 Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
 bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
 to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
 machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
 none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
 different macs at this point.
 
 If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
 1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
 ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
 required.
 
 Just my two cents...
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream
 in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
 done pretty well.
 First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to use
 VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot
 Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
 The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends
 using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and
 except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. So
 getting help is sometimes challenging.
 If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
 have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
 Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
 I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
 finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite well.
 But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
 I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with
 Windows7 but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course.
 be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve
 whatever conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it
 to be pretty challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has
 been hit and miss too.
 Having said that, I'd probably do it again.
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
 have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
 super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
 running Windows.
 
 We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth
 keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a
 good deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I
 want OSX  Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
 
 I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the
 top of my head.
 
 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes
 is too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned
 Macs.  Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is
 one.  Power of the machine, price, etc.
 http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
 
 
 I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it,
 but the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
 
 Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
 Traci
 
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Daniel Hawkins]

Yes, that is why Apple have the App called Bootcamp. When you go to Bootcamp 
and start the process, it will require a usb drive to download the latest 
drivers.

Also, keep in mind, many sighted people use Options to pick which operating 
system to boot from, but with Bootcamp you can go to Preferences then to 
Startup, and say restart in Bootcamp. Then in the Windows side, in the system 
try, there is a bootcamp icon there, click that and click restart in OSX. 
Pretty nifty.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
4GB Dual Channel DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
NVDA installed

Phonak Compilot





On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you for the advice so far.
 
 I don't know why I said parallels, what I really meant was Boot Camp. I do 
 want the experiences to be separate.
 
 If I have a windows installation cd and I'm using boot camp, are the drivers 
 found automatically for me?
 
 Traci 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com 
 wrote:I
 
 Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
 bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
 to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
 machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
 none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
 different macs at this point.
 
 If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
 1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
 ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
 required.
 
 Just my two cents...
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream
 in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
 done pretty well.
 First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to use
 VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot
 Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
 The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends
 using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and
 except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. So
 getting help is sometimes challenging.
 If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
 have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
 Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
 I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
 finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite well.
 But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
 I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with
 Windows7 but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course.
 be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve
 whatever conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it
 to be pretty challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has
 been hit and miss too.
 Having said that, I'd probably do it again.
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
 have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
 super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
 running Windows.
 
 We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth
 keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a
 good deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I
 want OSX  Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
 
 I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the
 top of my head.
 
 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes
 is too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned
 Macs.  Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is
 one.  Power of the machine, price, etc.
 http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
 
 
 I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it,
 but the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
 
 Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
 Traci
 
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Ray Foret Jr]

Question.  Is there any way to set up Bootcamp without sighted assistance?  
Seems to me I remember seeing something about that.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Yes, that is why Apple have the App called Bootcamp. When you go to Bootcamp 
 and start the process, it will require a usb drive to download the latest 
 drivers.
 
 Also, keep in mind, many sighted people use Options to pick which operating 
 system to boot from, but with Bootcamp you can go to Preferences then to 
 Startup, and say restart in Bootcamp. Then in the Windows side, in the system 
 try, there is a bootcamp icon there, click that and click restart in OSX. 
 Pretty nifty.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
 iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you for the advice so far.
 
 I don't know why I said parallels, what I really meant was Boot Camp. I do 
 want the experiences to be separate.
 
 If I have a windows installation cd and I'm using boot camp, are the drivers 
 found automatically for me?
 
 Traci 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com 
 wrote:I
 
 Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
 bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
 to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
 machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
 none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
 different macs at this point.
 
 If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
 1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
 ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
 required.
 
 Just my two cents...
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream
 in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
 done pretty well.
 First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to 
 use
 VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot
 Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
 The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends
 using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and
 except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. 
 So
 getting help is sometimes challenging.
 If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
 have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
 Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
 I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
 finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite 
 well.
 But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
 I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with
 Windows7 but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course.
 be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve
 whatever conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it
 to be pretty challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has
 been hit and miss too.
 Having said that, I'd probably do it again.
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
 have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
 super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
 running Windows.
 
 We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth
 keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a
 good deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I
 want OSX  Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
 
 I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the
 top of my head.
 
 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes
 is too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned
 Macs.  Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is
 one.  Power of the machine, price, etc.
 http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
 
 
 I currently have a MacBook Air, which I 

Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Daniel Hawkins]

There was a write up about this. It pretty much count the times you hit enter 
and left and right arrows. But if you forget a step, you will get stuck.

Technically to answer your question, installing Windows is not accessable. You 
can do Bootcamp untill you hit the Install Button. After that it is sighted 
required. Unless you are brave enough to follow exact directions and try it out.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
4GB Dual Channel DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
NVDA installed

Phonak Compilot





On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 Question.  Is there any way to set up Bootcamp without sighted assistance?  
 Seems to me I remember seeing something about that.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yes, that is why Apple have the App called Bootcamp. When you go to Bootcamp 
 and start the process, it will require a usb drive to download the latest 
 drivers.
 
 Also, keep in mind, many sighted people use Options to pick which operating 
 system to boot from, but with Bootcamp you can go to Preferences then to 
 Startup, and say restart in Bootcamp. Then in the Windows side, in the 
 system try, there is a bootcamp icon there, click that and click restart in 
 OSX. Pretty nifty.
 Daniel Hawkins
 - Posted from my Macbook Pro
 
 iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
 iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
 4GB Dual Channel DDR3
 500GB HDD
 
 Dual Boot:
 Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
 NVDA installed
 
 Phonak Compilot
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you for the advice so far.
 
 I don't know why I said parallels, what I really meant was Boot Camp. I do 
 want the experiences to be separate.
 
 If I have a windows installation cd and I'm using boot camp, are the 
 drivers found automatically for me?
 
 Traci 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com 
 wrote:I
 
 Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
 bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
 to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
 machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
 none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
 different macs at this point.
 
 If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
 1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
 ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
 required.
 
 Just my two cents...
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day 
 dream
 in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
 done pretty well.
 First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to 
 use
 VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot
 Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
 The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends
 using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel 
 and
 except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. 
 So
 getting help is sometimes challenging.
 If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
 have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
 Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
 I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
 finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite 
 well.
 But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
 I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with
 Windows7 but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course.
 be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve
 whatever conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found 
 it
 to be pretty challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has
 been hit and miss too.
 Having said that, I'd probably do it again.
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
 have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
 super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
 running Windows.
 
 We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a 

Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Chris H]

Hi all
There is a guide I have written up myself over at
www.applevis.com


Regards Chris

On 27/02/2014 01:37, Daniel Hawkins wrote:

There was a write up about this. It pretty much count the times you hit enter 
and left and right arrows. But if you forget a step, you will get stuck.

Technically to answer your question, installing Windows is not accessable. You 
can do Bootcamp untill you hit the Install Button. After that it is sighted 
required. Unless you are brave enough to follow exact directions and try it out.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
4GB Dual Channel DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
NVDA installed

Phonak Compilot





On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:


Question.  Is there any way to set up Bootcamp without sighted assistance?  
Seems to me I remember seeing something about that.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Yes, that is why Apple have the App called Bootcamp. When you go to Bootcamp 
and start the process, it will require a usb drive to download the latest 
drivers.

Also, keep in mind, many sighted people use Options to pick which operating 
system to boot from, but with Bootcamp you can go to Preferences then to 
Startup, and say restart in Bootcamp. Then in the Windows side, in the system 
try, there is a bootcamp icon there, click that and click restart in OSX. 
Pretty nifty.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4
iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb
iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player
2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz
4GB Dual Channel DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
NVDA installed

Phonak Compilot





On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you for the advice so far.

I don't know why I said parallels, what I really meant was Boot Camp. I do want 
the experiences to be separate.

If I have a windows installation cd and I'm using boot camp, are the drivers 
found automatically for me?

Traci


On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com wrote:I

Hi. I've had no trouble running windows seven ultimate 32 bit or 64
bit via bootcamp. It'll most likely be the best option. You're going
to have an easier time using a native install as opposed to a virtual
machine. And as for hardware/driver/application conflicts, I've had
none to speak of with my native windows install and that is on five
different macs at this point.

If you can afford the new mac mini server edition, that gives you two
1tb internal hard drives, an Intel I7 quad core processor, and more
ram than you'll probably need with the ability to add more later on if
required.

Just my two cents...

Cameron.






On 2/26/14, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream
in my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be
done pretty well.
First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to use
VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot
Camp if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends
using Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and
except for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. So
getting help is sometimes challenging.
If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll
have to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box.
Fortunately the Mac doesn't need so much.
I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I
finally wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite well.
But that doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with
Windows7 but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course.
be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve
whatever conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it
to be pretty challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has
been hit and miss too.
Having said that, I'd probably do it again.



On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to
have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a
super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for
running Windows.

We have a TV that can be used as a monitor 

Re: running windows along side the mac

[Maria Chapman]

Hi can you write to me offlist if necessary and tell me more about key 
remapping?  I have an application that uses the f 11 and f 12 keys in windows 
and I can't seem to get it to work.

thanks

regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
check out 
www.powerradio104.us
where we play lots of great music



On 24/09/2012, at 8:44 AM, Eric Caron ecar...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi Cameron,
 
   I have run windows both in bootcamp and in VM Fusion.  Both have 
 advantages so I don't think you can say for sure bootcamp is better.  
 Currently I'm running my Macbook pro with VM Fusion and Windows 7.  I have 
 many applications running on both systems and am changing between operating 
 systems quickly and easily.  I don't have the need to keep restarting my 
 computer to run programs in the different operating systems.  It is still 
 kind of like magic.  You will need a pretty powerful Mac to do this but it 
 works well.  And, I do like being able to install windows without sighted 
 help.  I've done it about three times now in the past few years. 
 
 Also, I think KeyRemap4Macbook will easily take care of the key remapping 
 needs if you use fusion, or the built in key remapping in VM Fusion works 
 pretty well.   Sharpkeys would be needed in bootcamp. I found Sharp keys a 
 challenge to use but it does work.  Bootcamp is certainly better if your Mac 
 has limited resources.
 
 If you want the caps lock key on the Windows side in a screen reader like 
 Jaws to work closely like that on a PC then you need to go the VM Fusion 
 route with KeRemapper4Macbook.
 
 I spend most of my computer time at home on the Mac side but it is great to 
 just tab over and have Windows apps just work.
 
 Best.
 
 Eric Caron
 
 
 On Sep 23, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com wrote:
 
 Hi. If it is an OEM copy of windows, it probably won't work. If it's a
 microsoft developer version or a retail version, you should have no
 issues assuming you have your product key handy.
 
 Installing windows via bootcamp and having a dual boot system is a
 better idea than running windows virtually from within OSX. You'll
 need sighted assistance on the first couple of screens of the windows
 seven installer as they chose not to make it entirely accessible with
 narrator. After you agree to the ula and select the new empty
 partition you created in bootcamp, then you should be able to launch
 narrator and finish the install/setup on your own. (Windows key U and
 then alt N to launch narrator. Keep in mind that your windows key and
 alt key will be swapped on the mac unless you use a utility like sharp
 keys to remap them.) You will need a USB headset or other plug and
 play USB sound device to do this.
 
 I hope that helps.
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 On 9/23/12, Kimsan kim...@blindaccesstraining.com wrote:
 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will
 I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made sense. We can
 skype if you want to speak further at kimsan224.
 
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Kliphton]

I thought you could import your current vm in to boot cam?  I could be wrong, 
but thought I read a article about that last winter.


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On Sep 25, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:

I believe that you will need a license for both systems.
I can try to create a podcast of steps.
but here is what i remember.
1. have your windows disk ready.
2. Go to utilities and bootcamp.
3. start bootcamp and it will walk you through a wizard.
It will ask you if you want to create a windows partition, and download drivers.
note: you will have speech with voiceover with this.
After you download the drivers and make a dvd or cd of them, you will need to 
have sited assistance.
It will ask you how large you want the bootcamp partition to be.
I think you have voiceover support here.
It is a slider to adjust how large the mac partition is vs. the windows 
partition.
You will not be able to undue this option without re-installing again.
Then the computer will reboot and you will have to click next and i accept.
It will ask you if you want to do a custom install or upgrade. i always have 
chose custom.
Then it will ask you where you want it installed. Hit bootcamp and advanced. 
This is very important.
Now hit format. and next.
Now the computer will go to work, and will restart a few times.
You will need a usb audio device of some sort. or you can have sited assistance 
with the setup screen.
Next make sure to have that cd or dvd of the drivers. you will be able to use 
the function keys just like in Mac os.
Hope that helps anybody.
Feel free to email me with further questions.

Thanks.
Chris Bruinenberg

cbrui...@gmail.com



On Sep 24, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Maria Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi is it possible to have both options?  i have vmware fusion at the moment 
 but bootcamp might be handy if i want to do something intensive with windows. 
 vmware is great for just doing something small in windows. Can i use the same 
 windows 7 cd to get bootcamp up and running?
 
 step by step please?
 
 lol 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - 
 Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 25/09/2012, at 4:03 AM, Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com wrote:
 
 I use Bootcamp all of the time but you can't rapidly go back and forth
 so she should probably have both options and decide which she likes
 best or when to use either option.
 On 9/24/12, Bejarano, Rafael P. beja...@hsu.edu wrote:
 True, but if one is having problems with VMWare, Bootcamp can be an
 accessible solution.  Windows also seems to run faster under Bootcamp.
 
 Rafael Bejarano
 On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
 
 If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM
 Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one
 and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a
 time.
 
 On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
 Also try this FREE virtual software package
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
 
 Rashantha
 For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer
 http://beta.quocomputer.com
 
 
 On Sep 23, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Kimsan wrote:
 
 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7
 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made
 sense.
 We can skype if you want to speak further at kimsan224.
 
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Maria Chapman]

now that would be cool.  does anyone know?
Maria Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

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Mahatma Gandhi

On 25/09/2012, at 6:31 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought you could import your current vm in to boot cam?  I could be wrong, 
 but thought I read a article about that last winter.
 
 
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 On Sep 25, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I believe that you will need a license for both systems.
 I can try to create a podcast of steps.
 but here is what i remember.
 1. have your windows disk ready.
 2. Go to utilities and bootcamp.
 3. start bootcamp and it will walk you through a wizard.
 It will ask you if you want to create a windows partition, and download 
 drivers.
 note: you will have speech with voiceover with this.
 After you download the drivers and make a dvd or cd of them, you will need to 
 have sited assistance.
 It will ask you how large you want the bootcamp partition to be.
 I think you have voiceover support here.
 It is a slider to adjust how large the mac partition is vs. the windows 
 partition.
 You will not be able to undue this option without re-installing again.
 Then the computer will reboot and you will have to click next and i accept.
 It will ask you if you want to do a custom install or upgrade. i always have 
 chose custom.
 Then it will ask you where you want it installed. Hit bootcamp and advanced. 
 This is very important.
 Now hit format. and next.
 Now the computer will go to work, and will restart a few times.
 You will need a usb audio device of some sort. or you can have sited 
 assistance with the setup screen.
 Next make sure to have that cd or dvd of the drivers. you will be able to use 
 the function keys just like in Mac os.
 Hope that helps anybody.
 Feel free to email me with further questions.
 
 Thanks.
 Chris Bruinenberg
 
 cbrui...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Maria Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi is it possible to have both options?  i have vmware fusion at the moment 
 but bootcamp might be handy if i want to do something intensive with 
 windows. vmware is great for just doing something small in windows. Can i 
 use the same windows 7 cd to get bootcamp up and running?
 
 step by step please?
 
 lol 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - 
 Mahatma Gandhi
 
 On 25/09/2012, at 4:03 AM, Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com wrote:
 
 I use Bootcamp all of the time but you can't rapidly go back and forth
 so she should probably have both options and decide which she likes
 best or when to use either option.
 On 9/24/12, Bejarano, Rafael P. beja...@hsu.edu wrote:
 True, but if one is having problems with VMWare, Bootcamp can be an
 accessible solution.  Windows also seems to run faster under Bootcamp.
 
 Rafael Bejarano
 On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
 
 If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM
 Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one
 and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a
 time.
 
 On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
 Also try this FREE virtual software package
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
 
 Rashantha
 For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer
 http://beta.quocomputer.com
 
 
 On Sep 23, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Kimsan wrote:
 
 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7
 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made
 sense.
 We can skype if you want to speak further at kimsan224.
 
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Chris]

Well if that is possible then I might consider Fusion.

On 25/09/2012 10:48, Maria Chapman wrote:

now that would be cool.  does anyone know?
Maria Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

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strong. - Mahatma Gandhi

On 25/09/2012, at 6:31 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com
mailto:kliph...@gmail.com wrote:


I thought you could import your current vm in to boot cam?  I could be
wrong, but thought I read a article about that last winter.


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facebook.com/k.and.s.vending http://facebook.com/k.and.s.vending
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On Sep 25, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com
mailto:cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:

I believe that you will need a license for both systems.
I can try to create a podcast of steps.
but here is what i remember.
1. have your windows disk ready.
2. Go to utilities and bootcamp.
3. start bootcamp and it will walk you through a wizard.
It will ask you if you want to create a windows partition, and
download drivers.
note: you will have speech with voiceover with this.
After you download the drivers and make a dvd or cd of them, you will
need to have sited assistance.
It will ask you how large you want the bootcamp partition to be.
I think you have voiceover support here.
It is a slider to adjust how large the mac partition is vs. the
windows partition.
You will not be able to undue this option without re-installing again.
Then the computer will reboot and you will have to click next and i
accept.
It will ask you if you want to do a custom install or upgrade. i
always have chose custom.
Then it will ask you where you want it installed. Hit bootcamp and
advanced. This is very important.
Now hit format. and next.
Now the computer will go to work, and will restart a few times.
You will need a usb audio device of some sort. or you can have sited
assistance with the setup screen.
Next make sure to have that cd or dvd of the drivers. you will be able
to use the function keys just like in Mac os.
Hope that helps anybody.
Feel free to email me with further questions.

Thanks.
Chris Bruinenberg

cbrui...@gmail.com mailto:cbrui...@gmail.com



On Sep 24, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Maria Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi is it possible to have both options?  i have vmware fusion at the
moment but bootcamp might be handy if i want to do something
intensive with windows. vmware is great for just doing something
small in windows. Can i use the same windows 7 cd to get bootcamp up
and running?

step by step please?

lol
Maria Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the
strong. - Mahatma Gandhi

On 25/09/2012, at 4:03 AM, Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com
mailto:maria...@denningweb.com wrote:


I use Bootcamp all of the time but you can't rapidly go back and forth
so she should probably have both options and decide which she likes
best or when to use either option.
On 9/24/12, Bejarano, Rafael P. beja...@hsu.edu
mailto:beja...@hsu.edu wrote:

True, but if one is having problems with VMWare, Bootcamp can be an
accessible solution.  Windows also seems to run faster under Bootcamp.

Rafael Bejarano
On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:


If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM
Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one
and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a
time.

On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com
mailto:rashan...@gmail.com wrote:

No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
Also try this FREE virtual software package
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots

Rashantha
For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer
http://beta.quocomputer.com http://beta.quocomputer.com/


On Sep 23, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Kimsan wrote:


I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7
professional
disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook
pro or
will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made
sense.
We can skype if you want to speak further at kimsan224.

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RE: running windows along side the mac

[Kimsan]

So there were steps provided earlier from a lister on how to use bootcamp.
One part said:
It will ask you how large you want the bootcamp partition to be.
I think you have voiceover support here.
It is a slider to adjust how large the mac partition is vs. the windows
partition.
How much should be for each OS?
I have 4 gigs of memory for both machines.
The one that will be the primary should have the most right? Or am I not
getting this.
I am almost at the point of starting the process.
Lol, I'm just afraid I might break something haha.

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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Chris Bruinenberg]

It's the users choice. It's not ram. It all depends on how large your hard 
drive is!
Good luck!

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Kimsan kim...@blindaccesstraining.com wrote:

 So there were steps provided earlier from a lister on how to use bootcamp.
 One part said:
 It will ask you how large you want the bootcamp partition to be.
 I think you have voiceover support here.
 It is a slider to adjust how large the mac partition is vs. the windows
 partition.
 How much should be for each OS?
 I have 4 gigs of memory for both machines.
 The one that will be the primary should have the most right? Or am I not
 getting this.
 I am almost at the point of starting the process.
 Lol, I'm just afraid I might break something haha.
 
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RE: running windows along side the mac

[Kimsan]

Ok, one hd is 750 and the other is 320.  The latter is my windows machine.

Yep, user's choice.  I will figure it out from there.
Off to the races!
I'll report back once I am done with this and let yall know if I sunk or
swam.

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Re: running windows along side the mac

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Good luck!
I like the mac os so, i chose to make it larger. 

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Re: running windows along side the mac

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No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
Also try this FREE virtual software package 
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots

Rashantha
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On Sep 23, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Kimsan wrote:

 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7 professional disc 
 for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or will 
 I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made sense. We can 
 skype if you want to speak further at kimsan224.
 
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Marianne Denning]

If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM
Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one
and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a
time.

On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
 Also try this FREE virtual software package
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots

 Rashantha
 For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer
 http://beta.quocomputer.com


 On Sep 23, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Kimsan wrote:

 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made sense.
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

True, but if one is having problems with VMWare, Bootcamp can be an accessible 
solution.  Windows also seems to run faster under Bootcamp.

Rafael Bejarano
On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:

 If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM
 Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one
 and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a
 time.
 
 On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
 Also try this FREE virtual software package
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
 
 Rashantha
 For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer
 http://beta.quocomputer.com
 
 
 On Sep 23, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Kimsan wrote:
 
 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made sense.
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Marianne Denning]

I use Bootcamp all of the time but you can't rapidly go back and forth
so she should probably have both options and decide which she likes
best or when to use either option.
On 9/24/12, Bejarano, Rafael P. beja...@hsu.edu wrote:
 True, but if one is having problems with VMWare, Bootcamp can be an
 accessible solution.  Windows also seems to run faster under Bootcamp.

 Rafael Bejarano
 On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:

 If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM
 Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one
 and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a
 time.

 On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
 Also try this FREE virtual software package
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots

 Rashantha
 For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer
 http://beta.quocomputer.com


 On Sep 23, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Kimsan wrote:

 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7
 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made
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RE: running windows along side the mac

[Paul Hunt]

Hello everyone. There's no question about it, Windows runs faster in
Bootcamp for me. I also don't have problems with loss of Software
activations in JAWS. Also, the Focus USB Braille displays work properly. I
couldn't get them running in VM Fusion.

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Subject: Re: running windows along side the mac

True, but if one is having problems with VMWare, Bootcamp can be an
accessible solution.  Windows also seems to run faster under Bootcamp.

Rafael Bejarano
On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:

 If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM 
 Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one 
 and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a 
 time.
 
 On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
 Also try this FREE virtual software package 
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
 
 Rashantha
 For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer 
 http://beta.quocomputer.com
 
 
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 professional disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro 
 or will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

Absolutely!  More options are always better.
On Sep 24, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:

 I use Bootcamp all of the time but you can't rapidly go back and forth
 so she should probably have both options and decide which she likes
 best or when to use either option.
 On 9/24/12, Bejarano, Rafael P. beja...@hsu.edu wrote:
 True, but if one is having problems with VMWare, Bootcamp can be an
 accessible solution.  Windows also seems to run faster under Bootcamp.
 
 Rafael Bejarano
 On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
 
 If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM
 Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one
 and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a
 time.
 
 On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
 Also try this FREE virtual software package
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
 
 Rashantha
 For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer
 http://beta.quocomputer.com
 
 
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 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7
 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made
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RE: running windows along side the mac

[Kimsan]

I'm going to start the bootcamp today or tomorrow after work. I'm just
gathering all of the notes people are sending and go from there.  I hear
people saying its slow to switch from one to the other but I skyped with
someone the other day and when he switched, it was pretty quick if I say so
myself.

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Re: running windows along side the mac

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Or depending on how much ram and processor speed you have.  I am running fusion 
on my 2011 27 inch iMac, with 16 gig of ram, a 3.4 GHZ processor, and I have 6 
gigs deadicated to the pc side of things.  And both systems fly.  SSD is the 
way to go if you can afford it.
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 it's not that slow if you have an ssd. ;)
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Very true!

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 Or depending on how much ram and processor speed you have.  I am running 
 fusion on my 2011 27 inch iMac, with 16 gig of ram, a 3.4 GHZ processor, and 
 I have 6 gigs deadicated to the pc side of things.  And both systems fly.  
 SSD is the way to go if you can afford it.
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 it's not that slow if you have an ssd. ;)
 I'm lucky i guess.
 
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Maria Chapman]

Hi is it possible to have both options?  i have vmware fusion at the moment but 
bootcamp might be handy if i want to do something intensive with windows. 
vmware is great for just doing something small in windows. Can i use the same 
windows 7 cd to get bootcamp up and running?

step by step please?

lol 
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On 25/09/2012, at 4:03 AM, Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com wrote:

 I use Bootcamp all of the time but you can't rapidly go back and forth
 so she should probably have both options and decide which she likes
 best or when to use either option.
 On 9/24/12, Bejarano, Rafael P. beja...@hsu.edu wrote:
 True, but if one is having problems with VMWare, Bootcamp can be an
 accessible solution.  Windows also seems to run faster under Bootcamp.
 
 Rafael Bejarano
 On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
 
 If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM
 Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one
 and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a
 time.
 
 On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
 Also try this FREE virtual software package
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
 
 Rashantha
 For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer
 http://beta.quocomputer.com
 
 
 On Sep 23, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Kimsan wrote:
 
 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7
 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made
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Re: running windows along side the mac

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I believe that you will need a license for both systems.
I can try to create a podcast of steps.
but here is what i remember.
1. have your windows disk ready.
2. Go to utilities and bootcamp.
3. start bootcamp and it will walk you through a wizard.
It will ask you if you want to create a windows partition, and download drivers.
note: you will have speech with voiceover with this.
After you download the drivers and make a dvd or cd of them, you will need to 
have sited assistance.
It will ask you how large you want the bootcamp partition to be.
I think you have voiceover support here.
It is a slider to adjust how large the mac partition is vs. the windows 
partition.
You will not be able to undue this option without re-installing again.
Then the computer will reboot and you will have to click next and i accept.
It will ask you if you want to do a custom install or upgrade. i always have 
chose custom.
Then it will ask you where you want it installed. Hit bootcamp and advanced. 
This is very important.
Now hit format. and next.
Now the computer will go to work, and will restart a few times.
You will need a usb audio device of some sort. or you can have sited assistance 
with the setup screen.
Next make sure to have that cd or dvd of the drivers. you will be able to use 
the function keys just like in Mac os.
Hope that helps anybody.
Feel free to email me with further questions.

Thanks.
Chris Bruinenberg

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 Hi is it possible to have both options?  i have vmware fusion at the moment 
 but bootcamp might be handy if i want to do something intensive with windows. 
 vmware is great for just doing something small in windows. Can i use the same 
 windows 7 cd to get bootcamp up and running?
 
 step by step please?
 
 lol 
 Maria Chapman
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
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 On 25/09/2012, at 4:03 AM, Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com wrote:
 
 I use Bootcamp all of the time but you can't rapidly go back and forth
 so she should probably have both options and decide which she likes
 best or when to use either option.
 On 9/24/12, Bejarano, Rafael P. beja...@hsu.edu wrote:
 True, but if one is having problems with VMWare, Bootcamp can be an
 accessible solution.  Windows also seems to run faster under Bootcamp.
 
 Rafael Bejarano
 On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
 
 If you want to quickly go from OS 10 to Windows you probably need VM
 Fusion.  When you use Bootcamp you must shut the computer down in one
 and bring it up in the other.  Bootcamp can only run one system at a
 time.
 
 On 9/24/12, rashantha de silva rashan...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you won't be able to use that Dell disk.
 Also try this FREE virtual software package
 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
 
 Rashantha
 For more details like http://facebook.com/quocomputer
 http://beta.quocomputer.com
 
 
 On Sep 23, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Kimsan wrote:
 
 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7
 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made
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Re: running windows along side the mac

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I run mine with boot camp. It doesn't run within Mac OS. 
VMware fusion costs 50$ but it shares recourses with your Mac. 
Hope that can help!

Sent from my iPhone

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 I finally have or found time to get started on this project of sort. Can 
 someone tell me the different ways to do this.  I understand one way will 
 cost and the other might require visual assistance, which is fine but I want 
 to run my mac and windows 7 machine side by side.
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RE: running windows along side the mac

[Kimsan]

I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7 professional
disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?

Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or will
I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made sense. We can
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Re: running windows along side the mac

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Just sent you a Skype request!

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Re: running windows along side the mac

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Hi. If it is an OEM copy of windows, it probably won't work. If it's a
microsoft developer version or a retail version, you should have no
issues assuming you have your product key handy.

Installing windows via bootcamp and having a dual boot system is a
better idea than running windows virtually from within OSX. You'll
need sighted assistance on the first couple of screens of the windows
seven installer as they chose not to make it entirely accessible with
narrator. After you agree to the ula and select the new empty
partition you created in bootcamp, then you should be able to launch
narrator and finish the install/setup on your own. (Windows key U and
then alt N to launch narrator. Keep in mind that your windows key and
alt key will be swapped on the mac unless you use a utility like sharp
keys to remap them.) You will need a USB headset or other plug and
play USB sound device to do this.

I hope that helps.

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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Eric Caron]

Hi Cameron,

I have run windows both in bootcamp and in VM Fusion.  Both have 
advantages so I don't think you can say for sure bootcamp is better.  Currently 
I'm running my Macbook pro with VM Fusion and Windows 7.  I have many 
applications running on both systems and am changing between operating systems 
quickly and easily.  I don't have the need to keep restarting my computer to 
run programs in the different operating systems.  It is still kind of like 
magic.  You will need a pretty powerful Mac to do this but it works well.  And, 
I do like being able to install windows without sighted help.  I've done it 
about three times now in the past few years. 

Also, I think KeyRemap4Macbook will easily take care of the key remapping needs 
if you use fusion, or the built in key remapping in VM Fusion works pretty 
well.   Sharpkeys would be needed in bootcamp. I found Sharp keys a challenge 
to use but it does work.  Bootcamp is certainly better if your Mac has limited 
resources.

If you want the caps lock key on the Windows side in a screen reader like Jaws 
to work closely like that on a PC then you need to go the VM Fusion route with 
KeRemapper4Macbook.

I spend most of my computer time at home on the Mac side but it is great to 
just tab over and have Windows apps just work.

Best.

Eric Caron


On Sep 23, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com wrote:

 Hi. If it is an OEM copy of windows, it probably won't work. If it's a
 microsoft developer version or a retail version, you should have no
 issues assuming you have your product key handy.
 
 Installing windows via bootcamp and having a dual boot system is a
 better idea than running windows virtually from within OSX. You'll
 need sighted assistance on the first couple of screens of the windows
 seven installer as they chose not to make it entirely accessible with
 narrator. After you agree to the ula and select the new empty
 partition you created in bootcamp, then you should be able to launch
 narrator and finish the install/setup on your own. (Windows key U and
 then alt N to launch narrator. Keep in mind that your windows key and
 alt key will be swapped on the mac unless you use a utility like sharp
 keys to remap them.) You will need a USB headset or other plug and
 play USB sound device to do this.
 
 I hope that helps.
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 On 9/23/12, Kimsan kim...@blindaccesstraining.com wrote:
 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?
 
 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Cameron Strife]

Yes running it virtually will work and you do have the advantage of
being able to switch from mac OSX to windows without a restart.
However, my main issues with running windows virtually is that running
both operating systems side by side taxes your ram and processor a lot
more and could also effect data read/write if you have a 5400rpm
drive. Also, there have been some issues with certain drivers and
software authorization when running windows virtually, although this
seems to happen less with windows seven...

Of course, these things are probably of little concern for people
doing non intensive general computing on a daily basis. I use both my
macs for audio production work so need to be a tad paranoid about
CPUand ram usage etc.

Just my two cents...

Cameron.





On 9/23/12, Eric Caron ecar...@comcast.net wrote:
 Hi Cameron,

   I have run windows both in bootcamp and in VM Fusion.  Both have 
 advantages
 so I don't think you can say for sure bootcamp is better.  Currently I'm
 running my Macbook pro with VM Fusion and Windows 7.  I have many
 applications running on both systems and am changing between operating
 systems quickly and easily.  I don't have the need to keep restarting my
 computer to run programs in the different operating systems.  It is still
 kind of like magic.  You will need a pretty powerful Mac to do this but it
 works well.  And, I do like being able to install windows without sighted
 help.  I've done it about three times now in the past few years.

 Also, I think KeyRemap4Macbook will easily take care of the key remapping
 needs if you use fusion, or the built in key remapping in VM Fusion works
 pretty well.   Sharpkeys would be needed in bootcamp. I found Sharp keys a
 challenge to use but it does work.  Bootcamp is certainly better if your Mac
 has limited resources.

 If you want the caps lock key on the Windows side in a screen reader like
 Jaws to work closely like that on a PC then you need to go the VM Fusion
 route with KeRemapper4Macbook.

 I spend most of my computer time at home on the Mac side but it is great to
 just tab over and have Windows apps just work.

 Best.

 Eric Caron


 On Sep 23, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Cameron Strife came...@cameronstrife.com
 wrote:

 Hi. If it is an OEM copy of windows, it probably won't work. If it's a
 microsoft developer version or a retail version, you should have no
 issues assuming you have your product key handy.

 Installing windows via bootcamp and having a dual boot system is a
 better idea than running windows virtually from within OSX. You'll
 need sighted assistance on the first couple of screens of the windows
 seven installer as they chose not to make it entirely accessible with
 narrator. After you agree to the ula and select the new empty
 partition you created in bootcamp, then you should be able to launch
 narrator and finish the install/setup on your own. (Windows key U and
 then alt N to launch narrator. Keep in mind that your windows key and
 alt key will be swapped on the mac unless you use a utility like sharp
 keys to remap them.) You will need a USB headset or other plug and
 play USB sound device to do this.

 I hope that helps.

 Cameron.





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 I did some googling about bootcamp so I have this windows 7 professional
 disc for one of my windows 7 machines can I use that?

 Another question is can I run it on my dell machine, the macbook pro or
 will
 I have to install it using the mac. Holy heck, hope that made sense. We
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RE: running windows along side the mac

[Kimsan]

Hi,
It's an OEM copy.
I just want to put all of my eggs into one basket and just work off the mac
an quickly shift over to windows when need be.
So, let's go step-by-step I need to download bootcamp first right?
Boot camp needs to be used on the mac machine?



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RE: running windows along side the mac

[Kimsan]

Ok, accepted it.

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Re: running windows along side the mac

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

in your finder, press command shift U.  This will land you on your utility 
folder.  In this folder is the bootcamp assistant.  Run this.  By the way, I 
think this was mentioned earlier in the thread but, you will need to get a 
retail or builder copy of windows.

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 Hi,
 It's an OEM copy.
 I just want to put all of my eggs into one basket and just work off the mac
 an quickly shift over to windows when need be.
 So, let's go step-by-step I need to download bootcamp first right?
 Boot camp needs to be used on the mac machine?
 
 
 
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RE: Running Windows

[Bryan Smart]

Well, if you want to look at it that way, Parallels must work, too. I mean, 
once your VM is running a screen reader, then the virtual machine will work for 
you. However, if you can't operate the virtual machine software to adjust 
preferences, attach/detach devices from the virtual machine, manage virtual 
machines, etc, then that is pretty inaccessible.

Glad that you can accomplish what you need with Virtual Box, but wouldn't want 
to imply that a blind user will be able to be independently successful with it.

Bryan

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On Behalf Of Simon F
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 11:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Running Windows

Bryan,

 That's not quite true,

 I use virtual box and I am totally blind.

 I get assistance when  configuring  the vm's  but apart from that it's very 
usable.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
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Subject: RE: Running Windows

Yep. VMWare Fusion is the only virtual machine software that works.
Parallels and Virtual Box aren't accessible at all. Fusion costs about $80, 
unless they're running one of their frequent specials.

Bryan 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Running Windows

from what I have heard and read, fusion is much more friendly.

hth
Cody
On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

 I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo 
 version
of JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
 
 Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am
finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window can't 
even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed there were 
tabs for speech and iPhone, not sure what they do though.
 
 My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have 
 bought
Fusion?  Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly?
 
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RE: Running Windows

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Yep. VMWare Fusion is the only virtual machine software that works. Parallels 
and Virtual Box aren't accessible at all. Fusion costs about $80, unless 
they're running one of their frequent specials.

Bryan 

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from what I have heard and read, fusion is much more friendly.

hth
Cody
On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

 I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version of 
 JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
 
 Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am 
 finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window can't 
 even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed there were 
 tabs for speech and iPhone, not sure what they do though.
 
 My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have bought 
 Fusion?  Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly?
 
 cHRIS
 
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Re: Running Windows

[Kevin Mattingly]

Fusion is a pretty reasonable price through Amazon.com.

Kev
On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:10 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

 Yep. VMWare Fusion is the only virtual machine software that works. Parallels 
 and Virtual Box aren't accessible at all. Fusion costs about $80, unless 
 they're running one of their frequent specials.
 
 Bryan 
 
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 Subject: Re: Running Windows
 
 from what I have heard and read, fusion is much more friendly.
 
 hth
 Cody
 On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
 I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version of 
 JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
 
 Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am 
 finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window 
 can't even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed 
 there were tabs for speech and iPhone, not sure what they do though.
 
 My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have bought 
 Fusion?  Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly?
 
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Re: Running Windows

[Mike Arrigo]

Voiceover does not work well with paralels, if you're going to run windows in a 
virtual machine, fusion is the way to go.
On Jun 26, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

 I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version of 
 JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
 
 Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am 
 finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window can't 
 even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed there were 
 tabs for speech and iPhone, not sure what they do though.
 
 My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have bought 
 Fusion?  Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly?
 
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Re: Running Windows

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I wish I had of known this before I bought Parallels! Wonder if they will let 
me trade in?  Currently downloading the 30 day trail of Fusion ...
On 27 Jun 2010, at 14:58, Mike Arrigo wrote:

 Voiceover does not work well with paralels, if you're going to run windows in 
 a virtual machine, fusion is the way to go.
 On Jun 26, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
 I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version of 
 JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
 
 Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am 
 finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window 
 can't even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed 
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Re: Running Windows

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Fusion is the best.  I installed Virtual machine (windows 7) without any 
sighted intervention.  I until now had never in my life installed windows 
before.  So I was proud of myself, especially that I'd not been using my mac 
Book Pro for long.

Kawal.
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 I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version of 
 JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
 
 Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am 
 finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window can't 
 even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed there were 
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 My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have bought 
 Fusion?  Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly?
 
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Re: Running Windows

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Apparently paralels, for reasons I will never understand chose to draw their 
controls to the screen directly instead of using standard mac controls. Try as 
I might, I can think of no advantage to this only disadvantages, so to make it 
accessible, it would need to be rewritten, whoever made that decision had no 
idea what they were doing.
On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

 I wish I had of known this before I bought Parallels! Wonder if they will let 
 me trade in?  Currently downloading the 30 day trail of Fusion ...
 On 27 Jun 2010, at 14:58, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
 Voiceover does not work well with paralels, if you're going to run windows 
 in a virtual machine, fusion is the way to go.
 On Jun 26, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
 I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version 
 of JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
 
 Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am 
 finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window 
 can't even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed 
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RE: Running Windows

[Simon F]

Bryan,

 That's not quite true,

 I use virtual box and I am totally blind.

 I get assistance when  configuring  the vm's  but apart from that it's very
usable.



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Yep. VMWare Fusion is the only virtual machine software that works.
Parallels and Virtual Box aren't accessible at all. Fusion costs about $80,
unless they're running one of their frequent specials.

Bryan 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Running Windows

from what I have heard and read, fusion is much more friendly.

hth
Cody
On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

 I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version
of JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
 
 Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am
finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window
can't even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed
there were tabs for speech and iPhone, not sure what they do though.
 
 My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have bought
Fusion?  Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly?
 
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Re: Running Windows

[Cody Hurst]

from what I have heard and read, fusion is much more friendly.

hth
Cody
On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

 I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version of 
 JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
 
 Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am 
 finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window can't 
 even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed there were 
 tabs for speech and iPhone, not sure what they do though.
 
 My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have bought 
 Fusion?  Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly?
 
 cHRIS 
 
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