Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey

drip some AT fluid onto the shafts at the end of the motor


I have done this.


Can I get to it to do that?


Through the air intake grilles in front of the window.
Using a piece of tubing long enough to reach your mouth
too, I sucked up a little oil and guided the end of the
tube to the bearings with my wedged-in hand.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread OK Don

I replaced the radiator hoses when I installed the rebuilt engine in
the SLC, but only because I had replaced almost everything else. The
old hoses (no idea how old - no records with the car) appear to be
fine.

I have not had to EVER replace a top hose except

following accidents. The hoses on my present cars (and the ones I
retired over the last 4-5 years) are/were almost all original.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 126 A/C

2006-05-27 Thread OK Don

Except that the evaporator is too big to pull up through the speaker
opening 


I forgot that the blower in the w115 must be
a close kin to the evaporator and designed by the same fiendish
engineer.



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Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

2006-05-27 Thread OK Don

Sounds about right. I've done the job twice - once by the manual -
took me about 20 hours, and through the speaker hole the second time -
took 6-8 hours. I had to glue the speaker cover frame back on to keep
it from rattling - the lip it snaps to had to be cut off to get the
fan out.




MB lists the job as 18 hours labor, IIRC, to do it the Benz way.   If you go
the trans-speaker hole route, it can be cut down to 5-6 hours, BUT you end
up with banged-up knuckles and hands and lots of swearing.  The whole car
was built around the blower motor on the MB assembly line, so getting to it
is the bear.



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Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

2006-05-27 Thread Tom Hargrave
I sold a Mercedes once for this problem and swore I would never own another
114 or 115 body Mercedes. Problem is, my 220D and both 240D's were the best
running diesels I've owned to date!


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

Sounds about right. I've done the job twice - once by the manual - took me
about 20 hours, and through the speaker hole the second time - took 6-8
hours. I had to glue the speaker cover frame back on to keep it from
rattling - the lip it snaps to had to be cut off to get the fan out.



 MB lists the job as 18 hours labor, IIRC, to do it the Benz way.   If you
go
 the trans-speaker hole route, it can be cut down to 5-6 hours, BUT you 
 end up with banged-up knuckles and hands and lots of swearing.  The 
 whole car was built around the blower motor on the MB assembly line, 
 so getting to it is the bear.


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Re: [MBZ] 126 evaporator

2006-05-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

they turn up on ebay sometimes.

archer wrote:


Are there any reasonably priced freon detectors that work well.
Thanks,
Gerry Archer
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Re: [MBZ] 126 A/C

2006-05-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

ohh

redghost wrote:

I did not need the condenser.  Meant to say evaporator.  Condenser was 
living up front.  Too many shards of plastic and windshield in the 
head.  The evaporator  evaporator... not condenser.  Dense boy, 
needs more coffee and to find M1 not living at the wallyworld.  did a 
search and Wally is cornering the market, so the FLAPS are cutting back 
on TSUV


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Re: [MBZ] 126 evaporator

2006-05-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

hmmm, I had never heard that.

Marshall Booth wrote:


Trampas wrote:


Kaleb,

I have not seen one go bad on a W126, but... 


Most of my AC leaks on the W126 were from the expansion valve. If you do
replace evap. Replace expansion valve as it is easier with dash out. 



W126 are known to have the same problems from '86 thru the early '90s 
that 124/140s had (the evaporators developed leaks).


Marshall


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Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

2006-05-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The Bronze Rat
  
A tourist walks into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at

everything, he notices a very lifelike life-sized bronze statue of a
rat. It has no price tag, but is so striking that he decides he must
have it.

He takes it to the owner and asks, How much for the bronze rat? The
owner replies, $12 for the rat and $100 for the story.
The tourist gives the man $12 and says, I'll just take the rat, you can
keep the story.

As he walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, he notices that a
few real rats have crawled out of the alleys and sewers and begun
following him down the street.

This is disconcerting, and he begins walking faster. But within a couple
of blocks, the herd of rats behind him has grown to hundreds, and they
begin squealing. He begins to trot toward the Bay, looking around to see
that the rats now number in the MILLIONS, and are squealing and coming toward 
him

faster and faster.

Concerned, even scared, he runs to the edge of the Bay, and throws the
bronze rat as far out into the water as he can. Amazingly, the millions
of rats all jump into the Bay after it and are all drowned.

The man walks back to the curio shop.
Ah ha, says the owner, you have come back for the story?

No, says the man, I came back to see if you have a bronze Mexican, a
bronze Muslim cleric, a bronze Democrat,  anything French.
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Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

2006-05-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I had the blower motor replaced in an old 69 220D once, at a mechanic I 
used way back when.  That was in the early 90's and dont remember how 
much he charged me.  He did say he was NEVER doing that job again.


John Peterson / ImmersionStudio LLC wrote:


But it is EASY to read if you have your original warranty booklet.  The
engine number is stamped on mine there (last page, old ibm card)


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Re: [MBZ] 126 evaporator

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

hmmm, I had never heard that.


We try to teach you something new every day!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

2006-05-27 Thread RELNGSON
um, isn't this best left inside your head or on the Banned list?

Absolutely not.

RLE



Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

Tom Hargrave wrote:

I sold a Mercedes once for this problem and swore I would never own another
114 or 115 body Mercedes. Problem is, my 220D and both 240D's were the best
running diesels I've owned to date!


Great running, but not capable of climbing a hill at the speed limit in 
most states.


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Re: [MBZ] 126 evaporator

2006-05-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

yep

Marshall Booth wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


hmmm, I had never heard that.



We try to teach you something new every day!

Marshall


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Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The Bronze Rat

SNIP

No, says the man, I came back to see if you have a bronze Mexican, a
bronze Muslim cleric, a bronze Democrat,  anything French.


Priceless!!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 6, Issue 142

2006-05-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 26 May 2006 00:27:17 -0400 James Jetton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 5/25/2006 6:13:49 PM
  Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 6, Issue 142







Isn't it FUN seeing the whole digest all over again?










Craig



Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

2006-05-27 Thread Tom Hargrave
True, I ran between Huntsville, AL and Nashville TN one a week and I slowed
down to 40 MPH climbing one particular hill. I used to get on the
interstate, push the pedal to the floor and let off at the other end. Most
of the time I drifted between 80 and 85 except for those darn hills. 

Oddly enough, I would go no faster than 80 - 85 down hill which made no
since until I studied how the fuel injection system worked. The engine is
governed to a top speed of 5500 RPM.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:14 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

Tom Hargrave wrote:
 I sold a Mercedes once for this problem and swore I would never own 
 another
 114 or 115 body Mercedes. Problem is, my 220D and both 240D's were the 
 best running diesels I've owned to date!

Great running, but not capable of climbing a hill at the speed limit in most
states.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 6, Issue 142

2006-05-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Thats strange, the filters should have bounced that back.

Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Fri, 26 May 2006 00:27:17 -0400 James Jetton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






[Original Message]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 5/25/2006 6:13:49 PM
Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 6, Issue 142









Isn't it FUN seeing the whole digest all over again?










Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I really do not like W107

2006-05-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 5/26/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The 500SLC is the ultimate 107, IMHO  --
still waiting for one to show up.



I know where there's one waiting to be rescued.  It's been parked on the
same street corner on the inner east side of Portland for three years or
so.  It never moves, and the only sign I've ever seen that it's not actually
abandoned, other than the tags being current, is that periodically someone
brushes the fallen leaves off it. (Actually it says 450SLC 5.0 on the back.
Isn't that the same rare beast?)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper


Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

2006-05-27 Thread Zeitgeist

bzzt, wrong answer!

On 5/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


um, isn't this best left inside your head or on the Banned list?

Absolutely not.

RLE



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (214k)
'84 300D (212k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)


Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 6, Issue 142

2006-05-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:23:40 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thats strange, the filters should have bounced that back.


So you really have made some serious improvements to the list, haven't
you?


Craig


P.S. When can I call you? You're on S Wells Ranch Rd, aren't you?



Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 6, Issue 142

2006-05-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea, but I never at home, or really available to talk.  Email is the 
best way to get ahold of me.


Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:23:40 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Thats strange, the filters should have bounced that back.




So you really have made some serious improvements to the list, haven't
you?


Craig


P.S. When can I call you? You're on S Wells Ranch Rd, aren't you?

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Re: [MBZ] I really do not like W107

2006-05-27 Thread Rick Knoble

 (Actually it says 450SLC 5.0 on the back.
Isn't that the same rare beast?)


Like this one???
http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/164755231.html

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD

'87 190 DT



Re: [MBZ] I really do not like W107

2006-05-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 5/26/06, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  (Actually it says 450SLC 5.0 on the back.
 Isn't that the same rare beast?)

Like this one???
http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/164755231.html




That's just a garden-variety 450SLC, as far as I can tell.  (Man, I forgot
how ugly they are with DOT bumpers!  Only 107 I've ever owned was a 280SLC
with Euro bumpers and plaid cloth interior.)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper


[MBZ] MB in X-Men 3?

2006-05-27 Thread Sunil Hari

My friend (whom I've corrupted greatly, as she now sees old Benzes
everywhere! and looks for the diesel label) saw X-Men 3 last night,  and
said that in a flashback scene Professor X and Magneto drive up in an old
Benz to pick up a young Jean Gray.

I know there's a new GL350 later in the movie, but has anyone seen the movie
and can ID the classic?


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Re: [MBZ] [MBZ W107's

2006-05-27 Thread Chuck Landenberger

Maybe this one is different enough for somebody.

1976 350SLC euro...  4 spd, 200 HP, no ac, no cruise, no  
sunroof  Might be nice car where you don't need any of that...


Check it... http://www.oursl.com/listing-forms/listings- 
det.php?op=showdetaid=171


Usual disclaimer..

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
 



Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-27 Thread B Dike
Everybody: I have been running various blends and formulations of  biodiesel in 
my 4 diesels for a couple years now.  Here's what I  found:
  1. New standard braided injector return lines can fail catastrophically  in 
less than one year, spraying the engine compartment with fuel and  creating a 
dangerous fire hazard.  Happened twice, thankfully no  fires.
  2. New tank filler gaskets will rot in 2 years. Goopy melted rubber oozes 
down the side of car, damaging paint.
  3. Fuel tank lines have not yet shown obvious acceleration of rot other  than 
standard rate of decay.  I watch these closely.
  4. Fuel leaks at mechanical joints are appearing all over.
  
  Rubber problems seem to depend on the particular bio used.  The  commercial 
bio sources seem to be the worse than homebrew.  The  latest shipment from a 
commercial supplier is particularly nasty.
  
  I strongly recomend that anyone running bio replace the braided return  lines 
immediately wth Viton or 1/8 hi pressure rubber fuel line.   The old style 
lines constitute a fire hazard.  There may be no  sign of leakage, softening, 
or other prior warning before they blow  competely off.  Yes, you might smell 
the leak and pull over if one  fails, but a family member might not recognize 
the problem until a fire  breaks out.
  
  Bruce

Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Well, I'm not too worried about the 
rubber lines with bio.  The other part
I've heard is that there aren't many rubber lines that are made with
natural rubber that are more susceptible to being eaten by bio.  I
certainly don't blame wvo for a leak I had on a worn out cracked and split
return line on a 23 year old car...

As for the synthetic, it's all in how you look at it.
I've experienced first-hand how synthetic causes leaks.  I switched to
synthetic one weekend and then within an hour I had an oil feed line for the
turbo that was spraying a stream of oil.
Now, I don't think synthetic dug a whole in the line, but I think it
unclogged the gunk that was previously plugging the hole...
So, whether it caused it or not is semantics, but the fact that synthetic
can start leaking when you switch over is definitely true in some cases.

Levi (:

On 5/24/06, David Brodbeck  wrote:

 Bob Rentfro wrote:
  Is Viton the super secret good stuff?
 

 Viton has very good chemical-resistant properties.  In my previous job
 at a carwash manufacturer we made heavy use of Viton seals for valves
 and fittings that carried soaps.  A lot of the soaps contained
 D-Limonene, a powerful degreaser and solvent derived from orange peels.
 It's non-toxic, but it'll swell rubber in high concentrations -- Viton
 and PVC are about the only polymers that will stand up to it.  It's
 pretty amazing the first time you see a rubber O-ring that's swelled up
 to twice its normal size.

 I wonder how much of the biodiesel kills hoses story is because a lot
 of old cars have hoses that are about to go anyway, and when they fail
 the biodiesel gets blamed. Sort of like the old wives' tale about
 synthetic oil causing leaks.

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Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 26 May 2006 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT) B Dike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, you might smell the leak and pull over if one fails, but a family
 member might not recognize the problem until a fire breaks out.

One of the advantages of petroleum diesel is that it's not very
flammable, so there is little worry of a fire.

Are you saying that biodiesel is different?


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Jacks and jackstands

2006-05-27 Thread B Dike
Cheapest and safest solution I have seen is big stumps, sawed square on  both 
ends so that the diameter is significantly greater than the  height.  Raise the 
car with jacks and slide a stump under each  corner of the car.
  
  Bruce

archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  It would be nice to get the MBs higher than 
the Walmart jackstands and high 
lift jacks will go, but the prices for commercial jackstands and jacks that 
will go higher are prohibitive.  The old repair shops would use half of rear 
axles for stands, but I don't remember what they used for jacks.

Anyone have a cheaper solution for getting the MBs up higher?

Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D 


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That's NICE.

*drool*

Alex Chamberlain
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On 5/26/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maybe this one is different enough for somebody.

 1976 350SLC euro...  4 spd, 200 HP, no ac, no cruise, no
 sunroof  Might be nice car where you don't need any of that...

 Check it...
 http://www.oursl.com/listing-forms/listings-det.php?op=3Dshowdetaid=3D17=
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 Usual disclaimer..

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Re: [MBZ] Jacks and jackstands

2006-05-27 Thread archer
That must be about the safest kind of support there is.  No way they could 
turn over.

Thanks,
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Cheapest and safest solution I have seen is big stumps, sawed square on 
both ends so that the diameter is significantly greater than the  height. 
Raise the car with jacks and slide a stump under each  corner of the car.

Bruce

archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  It would be nice to get the MBs 
higher than the Walmart jackstands and high

lift jacks will go, but the prices for commercial jackstands and jacks that
will go higher are prohibitive.  The old repair shops would use half of rear
axles for stands, but I don't remember what they used for jacks.
Anyone have a cheaper solution for getting the MBs up higher?
Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D





Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

2006-05-27 Thread David Brodbeck

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Oddly enough, I would go no faster than 80 - 85 down hill which made no
since until I studied how the fuel injection system worked. The engine is
governed to a top speed of 5500 RPM.
  


I bet it'd go faster in Georgia overdrive.



Re: [MBZ] I really do not like W107

2006-05-27 Thread OK Don

Yup - that's the one. First badged as 450SLC 5.0, then changed to
500SLC with a re-designed engine and four speed tranny. It's the first
aluminum block 117 engine with the chassis tuned for the rallies/races
that MB won in that time frame. There were 2769 built from '77 to '81
-  http://fly.hiwaay.net/~gbf/107/slc.htm

A total of 62,888 SLCs had been manufactured over a ten year period
of which just 1,636 were the 450SLC-5.0 and 1,133 were the 500SLC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_R107 - nice history of the
racing SLCs.

Wonder if I can get Kaleb to haul it home from Portland???


On 5/26/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 5/26/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The 500SLC is the ultimate 107, IMHO  --
 still waiting for one to show up.


I know where there's one waiting to be rescued.  It's been parked on the
same street corner on the inner east side of Portland for three years or
so.  It never moves, and the only sign I've ever seen that it's not actually
abandoned, other than the tags being current, is that periodically someone
brushes the fallen leaves off it. (Actually it says 450SLC 5.0 on the back.
Isn't that the same rare beast?)

Alex Chamberlain
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'93 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] I really do not like W107

2006-05-27 Thread OK Don

Another good look at the 450SLC 5.0 --

http://www.californiaclassix.com/archive/79_MB_RallySLC_c145.html


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Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey

Great running, but not capable of climbing a hill at the speed
limit in most states.


What's wrong with the Frankenheap?  It doesn't slow down, and
is only a 200D.  Stickshift, and a 616 head on it though.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 126 A/C

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey

Except that the evaporator is too big to pull up through the speaker
opening 


Chop it up.  Of course, getting an intact new one back _in_
that hole is a problem then...

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] MB in X-Men 3?

2006-05-27 Thread Zoltan Finks

Not a movie guy - I can't comment on the X-man movie.

But (and not to hijack the thread) I have been wanting to mention something
that I've recently noticed. We have recently just gotten our first DVD
player, (yes, we're a bit behind the times) and have noticed that in the
disclaimer before each movie (which admonishes against movie pirating) there
is an apparent 115? with some punk trying to break into it.

Brian
83 240D

On 5/26/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My friend (whom I've corrupted greatly, as she now sees old Benzes
everywhere! and looks for the diesel label) saw X-Men 3 last night,  and
said that in a flashback scene Professor X and Magneto drive up in an old
Benz to pick up a young Jean Gray.

I know there's a new GL350 later in the movie, but has anyone seen the
movie
and can ID the classic?


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Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/26/06 8:17 AM, John Berryman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So it's behaving now?

A bit better, runs at an even 100 or just under during the day, and in
colder temps late at night varies between 100 and 110-ish, depending on
driving conditions. So I am thinking I have a clutch-fan issue too (though
the viscous aspect of the clutch fan is near perfect).

I figure I got maybe another quart into the system, since my last
'bulletin'. For now I am, well, doing nothing.

Can't decide whether to bother with a citric flush and refill through the
top hose (I seem to recall on the older lists some people found the flush
only worked for a few months), or just go ahead and replace the radiator.

Mac




Re: [MBZ] MB in X-Men 3?

2006-05-27 Thread Hendrik Riessen

Isn't that  a black 123 280E.

Hendrik
who hopes that ad doesn't give car thieves any ideas about nicking old 
Benzes


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Not a movie guy - I can't comment on the X-man movie.

But (and not to hijack the thread) I have been wanting to mention 
something

that I've recently noticed. We have recently just gotten our first DVD
player, (yes, we're a bit behind the times) and have noticed that in the
disclaimer before each movie (which admonishes against movie pirating) 
there

is an apparent 115? with some punk trying to break into it.

Brian
83 240D

On 5/26/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My friend (whom I've corrupted greatly, as she now sees old Benzes
everywhere! and looks for the diesel label) saw X-Men 3 last night, 
and
said that in a flashback scene Professor X and Magneto drive up in an 
old

Benz to pick up a young Jean Gray.

I know there's a new GL350 later in the movie, but has anyone seen the
movie
and can ID the classic?


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Re: [MBZ] Continued off topic

2006-05-27 Thread Mitch Haley
BillR wrote:
 
  Many of the advanced degree folks are legal, very many are here on
 quite outdated student visas.  Quite a few are leaving due to frustration at
 trying to become legal. 

My best bud from college works for a local biotech firm. They lost a senior
scientist once, one of their department heads, multiple phds, irreplaceable
experience. Feds refused to renew his work permit, had to go back to the
Netherlands. Our loss, their gain. 

My take on the illegals: We have them in mass quantity, mainly because
our system has consistently granted preference to illegal over legal
immigration. The illegal gets amnesty, which usually treats him as
if he had legally entered and started the citizenship process on the
day he can first prove he was illegally here. Meanwhile, his cousin
who was stupid enough to ask for permission is still waiting in Mexico. 
There is virtually no legal immigration from Mexico, because the
country specific quota is already exceeded by the illegals. 

My solution: Get serious about finding and exporting the illegals. 
The video from the May Day protests should give us lots of prime
suspects. For every illegal we kick out, we let in one legal. 
My amnesty program is to show no preference or ill will towards
the illegals we kick out, they can apply for legal entry, securing
their place in line with everybody else who applies today, behind
everybody who already applied. 

Mitch.



Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-27 Thread Levi Smith

To my knowledge vegetable oil needs to be at like 600F or higher before it
might potentially ignite.  So, I suppose it's possible on the turbo or
something (Pretty sure an oil leak on the turbo/exhaust is what cause the
fire on an old Impulse I had).  Not sure what the temp is of diesel.  A
spark certainly wouldn't set either off.  For that matter, I've tried to
burn some spilled vegoil residue off of concrete with a propane torch and
didn't have much luck.

Levi

On 5/26/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Fri, 26 May 2006 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT) B Dike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, you might smell the leak and pull over if one fails, but a family
 member might not recognize the problem until a fire breaks out.

One of the advantages of petroleum diesel is that it's not very
flammable, so there is little worry of a fire.

Are you saying that biodiesel is different?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] MB in X-Men 3?

2006-05-27 Thread Levi Smith

Yeah, I saw it.  Great movie by the way.
Though I'm afraid I don't know enough about the older Benz's.  I believe
they said it was 20 years ago, but the car certainly seemed older than
that.  It was green, had the more estately look, like something the queen
would ride in in an old James Bond Movie.  Had those wheels that you don't
notice any spokes on with the like 8 round Mercedes Emblems in the
middle...

Levi

On 5/26/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My friend (whom I've corrupted greatly, as she now sees old Benzes
everywhere! and looks for the diesel label) saw X-Men 3 last night,  and
said that in a flashback scene Professor X and Magneto drive up in an old
Benz to pick up a young Jean Gray.

I know there's a new GL350 later in the movie, but has anyone seen the
movie
and can ID the classic?


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Re: [MBZ] MB in X-Men 3?

2006-05-27 Thread John Ervine

Hendrik Riessen wrote:

Isn't that  a black 123 280E.


Yes.  Yes it is (though I'm not 100% on the color, just the model).

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Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey

A bit better, runs at an even 100 or just under during the day, and in
colder temps late at night varies between 100 and 110-ish, depending on
driving conditions. So I am thinking I have a clutch-fan issue too 
(though

the viscous aspect of the clutch fan is near perfect).


Some time stop the engine and feel the radiator immediately behind
the fan.  It should be 'hot'.  If it's cold there's a flow problem.
BTDT.

Can't decide whether to bother with a citric flush and refill through 
the
top hose (I seem to recall on the older lists some people found the 
flush
only worked for a few months), or just go ahead and replace the 
radiator.


If the radiator is full of deposits, likely the engine is as well
and heat transfer on that end of the cycle is also compromised.
Before a radiator replacement (expensive) I'd do the flush in any
event.  Our SDL is entering its third summer after the acid flush,
and has not overheated since.  We had a bout of 90+-degree weather
already, and no problem.  Borrowed time?  Perhaps, but it's at an
attractive interest rate!

-- Jim




[MBZ] In the news: Diesels poison innocent children

2006-05-27 Thread tom savage

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052402362.html

Tom



Re: [MBZ] Club 123D spring rally recsheduled - 6-10-06

2006-05-27 Thread tom savage

V Layton wrote:


Hi Folks!  and Tom,

There were too many schedule conflicts for yesterday, so all those 
signed up have agreed on a new nate, June 10th (saturday)   I hope this 
frees you up Tom, and of course anyone with a W123 can join the festivites.


Hi Vince,
Hopefully I'll be able to make the 10th.  I say hopefully because I'm 
moving soon (to the Central West End) and don't yet know which weekend 
I'll have to do it, but I'll try to keep this one open.


Tom,
fingers crossed



[MBZ] Texas Parts Cars

2006-05-27 Thread Rick Knoble
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Not mine, no affiliation, ect.
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Someone mentioned they needed a W124 for parts - a rear clip IIRC -

I got a email note from Silverstar Recycling saying they have a 1988  260E
W124 that's damaged in the front -

No affiliation - this is all the info I received -
their phone is  1-800-783-4911
or www.silverstarrecycling.com

Good luck -

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[MBZ] W123 in Texas for Sale

2006-05-27 Thread Kerr Tung
1983 300 D-TURBO Diesel 101,300 miles -- $4100
   
  This car is very solid. I bought it 2 years ago from a dealer for grease car 
conversion. However, my kids have been keeping me too busy and I finally give 
up on the idea. Recently I have change all the fluids, coolant, oil, filters, 
belts, dash light, power steering hoses, fuel hoses, alternator voltage 
regulator, new key tumbler module.  Also fixed clock, replaced driver seat and 
new Good Year tires. The car always starts right away and shuts down right 
away, runs very well on the highway. All power locks, power windows, power 
mirror, sunroof in working order.
   
  You can see the  pictures at:
http://geocities.com/kerr_tung/
   
  This car is in Mansfield Texas. If you are interested, please call me at 
817-453-9321. Or send me email directly (not to the group because I don't read 
the group mail any more) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  Thanks,
  Kerr


Thanks,
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$3000 too much for me
Rick Knoble
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 1983 300 D-TURBO Diesel 101,300 miles -- $4100

  This car is very solid. I bought it 2 years ago from a dealer for grease 
 car conversion. However, my kids have been keeping me too busy and I 
 finally give up on the idea. Recently I have change all the fluids, 
 coolant, oil, filters, belts, dash light, power steering hoses, fuel 
 hoses, alternator voltage regulator, new key tumbler module.  Also fixed 
 clock, replaced driver seat and new Good Year tires. The car always starts 
 right away and shuts down right away, runs very well on the highway. All 
 power locks, power windows, power mirror, sunroof in working order.

  You can see the  pictures at:
 http://geocities.com/kerr_tung/

  This car is in Mansfield Texas. If you are interested, please call me at 
 817-453-9321. Or send me email directly (not to the group because I don't 
 read the group mail any more) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Thanks,
  Kerr


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Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread JFreezn
 
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Can't  decide whether to bother with a citric flush and refill through the
top  hose (I seem to recall on the older lists some people found the flush
only  worked for a few months), or just go ahead and replace the  radiator.

Mac



Mac,
 
How long since the radiator has been removed from the car for EXTERNAL  
cleaning?  I don't know of any other way to get the bugs and trash out of  the 
center of the radiator, just in front of the fan clutch.  Trying to  blow it 
clear 
will only damage the fins. 
 
If HOT air can't pass over the clutch, it will not fully engage, even if it  
is in perfect condition.  I would say 7-8 years in the desert, but maybe  less 
than 3 years in the Midwest, where the air is full of bugs and chafe,  etc.
 
Side note:  If you take any car into a radiator shop for a rodding  out, 
and/or internal cleaning, they are not going to tell you about all the  trash 
the 
found on the front of the radiator.  They are going to take your  money and 
take full credit for cleaning what may have been an almost perfect  interior.
 
Side note 2:   If you have never pulled a radiator, the next time  you are in 
a wrecking yard, take notice of the radiator faces, on cars that have  had 
the condenser scavenged.  You will be amazed at how much stuff is  blocking the 
fins!
 
Just one man's opinion,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles



Re: [MBZ] Club 123D spring rally recsheduled - 6-10-06

2006-05-27 Thread George Gregory
Never in the world would I have you picked as a CWE type.

 
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-Original Message-
From: tom savage
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:09 AM


Hi Vince,
Hopefully I'll be able to make the 10th.  I say hopefully because I'm 
moving soon (to the Central West End) and don't yet know which weekend 
I'll have to do it, but I'll try to keep this one open.

Tom,
fingers crossed





Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/27/06 10:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How long since the radiator has been removed from the car for EXTERNAL
 cleaning?

Funny you should mention that, but this is a (supposedly) known good used
rad off a driving parts car I purchased a while back... before we installed
it I thoroughly cleaned the fins with a pressure washer.
 
I would say 7-8 years in the desert, but maybe  less
 than 3 years in the Midwest, where the air is full of bugs and chafe,  etc.

I think you missed a word or two in that sentence, not to be a PITA but I'm
wondering what you meant as this car came from eastern Cali, almost in
Nevada. It led a very hot life.

The odd thing here is that the car's tendency to run hotter in cold ambient
temps probably means the problem with the clutch fan is related to the
'sensor' (not sure what to call it) not being able to cope with cold, not
hot.

 Side note:  If you take any car into a radiator shop for a rodding  out,
 and/or internal cleaning, they are not going to tell you about all the  trash
 the 
 found on the front of the radiator.

My friend the wrench says thank you for that, he is forever yelling at his
customers about that.

 Just one man's opinion,

Much appreciated

Mac




[MBZ] OM617/300sd oil pressure drop at idle, in gear

2006-05-27 Thread Steve MacSween
This is related to my run-hot thread

I seem to recall that the (base) MB spec for oil pressure at hot idle in an
OM617 is 1 bar.

I am getting ~1.5-ish bar at idle hot in park, even when the car is running
hot, but it drops further and faster, to 1 bar in gear once the engine has
really got hot, or I'm in dead traffic, and can even sneak just under the 1
bar mark in traffic jams. So I am constantly shifting into neutral when
waiting.

Question: what is the spec, and is it spec'd for neutral/park or idling in
gear?

TKS

-- 
Mac
Steve MacSween
Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s
Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant)
SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle)




Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/27/06 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the radiator is full of deposits, likely the engine is as well
 and heat transfer on that end of the cycle is also compromised.
 Before a radiator replacement (expensive) I'd do the flush in any
 event.  Our SDL is entering its third summer after the acid flush,
 and has not overheated since.  We had a bout of 90+-degree weather
 already, and no problem.  Borrowed time?  Perhaps, but it's at an
 attractive interest rate!

Yes, thanks, good points.

Gonna run into town today to see if the big pharmacy has citric acid in
stock.

Mac




[MBZ] A/C dryer replacement

2006-05-27 Thread archer
I need to replace a leaking pressure switch on top of the dryer in an '83 
300D Turbo.  In American cars the dryer is usually replaced any time a part 
in the A/C system is replaced, but I don't want to replace this $180 dryer 
until vacuuming and gassing up the system to see if this is the only leak.


All opinions on the pros and cons of replacing the pressure switch without 
replacing the dryer are welcome.


Thanks,
Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D 





Re: [MBZ] OM617/300sd oil pressure drop at idle, in gear

2006-05-27 Thread Desert Rat

What weight oil are you running? Some say spec is .5.

I was using 0/40 M1 and saw the same conditions you describe. Changed
to 15/50 M1 and now never goes below 1 bar now even at 110 degrees,
idling in traffic with A/C on.

On 5/27/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This is related to my run-hot thread

I seem to recall that the (base) MB spec for oil pressure at hot idle in an
OM617 is 1 bar.

I am getting ~1.5-ish bar at idle hot in park, even when the car is running
hot, but it drops further and faster, to 1 bar in gear once the engine has
really got hot, or I'm in dead traffic, and can even sneak just under the 1
bar mark in traffic jams. So I am constantly shifting into neutral when
waiting.

Question: what is the spec, and is it spec'd for neutral/park or idling in
gear?

TKS

--
Mac
Steve MacSween
Aylmer, Quebec (Canada)
Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s
Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant)
SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle)


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[MBZ] W124 AC Fans in Front of Condenser '91 300D 2.5 Turbo

2006-05-27 Thread l02turner

Howdy -
Whenever the ACC is set to a AC position and the car is fired up the aux 
fans behind the grill start spinning.  At first I thought this might be a 
self-test but I found the fans continued to run for much too long for that. 
What could cause this?


Is it in fact a problem?

Sincerely,
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[MBZ] carfax please

2006-05-27 Thread LT Don

KL1TD62694B215089

Thanks.

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[MBZ] R-12

2006-05-27 Thread Scott Ritchey
Thanks to Jim Friesen for the six-pack of Toyota AC oil in pressurized cans
... which also include a couple ounces of R-12.  I added some yesterday and
it looks like my 86 Sable wagon may make it through another summer now.

Scott Ritchey
Kittrell NC
1982 300SD 220K
1979 300TD 350K
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[MBZ] Coil Spring Compressor

2006-05-27 Thread Trampas
I need an internal coil spring compressor to do some work on my W126. Since
this is the second or third time I have needed one I was going to purchase
one. Does anyone have one for sale or a recommendation for cheap one?

Thanks
Trampas




Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Fans in Front of Condenser '91 300D 2.5 Turbo

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Howdy -
Whenever the ACC is set to a AC position and the car is fired up the aux 
fans behind the grill start spinning.  At first I thought this might be a 
self-test but I found the fans continued to run for much too long for that. 
What could cause this?


A shorted pressure sensor (S32/1) a defective temp sensor (B-10/8) or a 
defective fan relay (either K-9 or K-10). Maybe other things as well, 
but those will do it.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] A/C dryer replacement

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

archer wrote:
I need to replace a leaking pressure switch on top of the dryer in an '83 
300D Turbo.  In American cars the dryer is usually replaced any time a part 
in the A/C system is replaced, but I don't want to replace this $180 dryer 
until vacuuming and gassing up the system to see if this is the only leak.


All opinions on the pros and cons of replacing the pressure switch without 
replacing the dryer are welcome.


The dryer for a 123 is $44 from Rusty!!

Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread John Berryman


On May 27, 2006, at 4:35 AM, Steve MacSween wrote:


A bit better, runs at an even 100 or just under during the day, and in
colder temps late at night varies between 100 and 110-ish,  
depending on

driving conditions.


	AC on or off? 90ish is more better. I see all of mine hit 100ish at  
times. This is normal and I see a little more when pulling a big long  
hill, it always cools back down.

Did you point the arrow on the thermostat up and/or the tiny orifice?


So I am thinking I have a clutch-fan issue too (though
the viscous aspect of the clutch fan is near perfect).


	There could be a 20+ year old pile of dead bugs, dead vegetation and  
general debris on the forward side of the radiator, (between the  
condenser and radiator).
	Has it ever hit the red on the gauge after you burped it and topped  
it off? I wouldn't sweat it if it hasn't. It wouldn't hurt to check  
and clean the sensor connection to ensure good contact and accurate  
readings. An acid flush can surely help if there are mineral deposits  
in the radiator tubes.
	Bruce Dike also had a theory that erosion of the inside of the  
thermostat housing can cause overheating, JB-Weld or a new housing  
can remedy that.

Was the original T-Stat stuck open or closed prior to changing it?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Bio Standby Hose Package-Rusty

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

B Dike wrote:

Everybody: I have been running various blends and formulations of  biodiesel in 
my 4 diesels for a couple years now.  Here's what I  found:
  1. New standard braided injector return lines can fail catastrophically  in 
less than one year, spraying the engine compartment with fuel and  creating a 
dangerous fire hazard.  Happened twice, thankfully no  fires.
  2. New tank filler gaskets will rot in 2 years. Goopy melted rubber oozes 
down the side of car, damaging paint.
  3. Fuel tank lines have not yet shown obvious acceleration of rot other  than 
standard rate of decay.  I watch these closely.
  4. Fuel leaks at mechanical joints are appearing all over.
  
  Rubber problems seem to depend on the particular bio used.  The  commercial bio sources seem to be the worse than homebrew.  The  latest shipment from a commercial supplier is particularly nasty.
  
  I strongly recomend that anyone running bio replace the braided return  lines immediately wth Viton or 1/8 hi pressure rubber fuel line.   The old style lines constitute a fire hazard.  There may be no  sign of leakage, softening, or other prior warning before they blow  competely off.  Yes, you might smell the leak and pull over if one  fails, but a family member might not recognize the problem until a fire  breaks out.


What's the flash point of bioD? I've had #2 spraying around the engine 
compartment from time to time for years and NEVER had a fire and know of 
NONE reported in any Mercedes diesel as the result of leaking fuel. Is 
Bio that much more hazardous? Might be a good reason to prohibit it's use.


Good idea to replace the return hoses with Viton to keep things tidy 
though if using Bio.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

Steve MacSween wrote:

on 5/27/06 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


If the radiator is full of deposits, likely the engine is as well
and heat transfer on that end of the cycle is also compromised.
Before a radiator replacement (expensive) I'd do the flush in any
event.  Our SDL is entering its third summer after the acid flush,
and has not overheated since.  We had a bout of 90+-degree weather
already, and no problem.  Borrowed time?  Perhaps, but it's at an
attractive interest rate!


Yes, thanks, good points.

Gonna run into town today to see if the big pharmacy has citric acid in
stock.


Usually the cheapest supply if citric acid is a food canning supply 
source. Some super markets (that have extensive canning supplies) will 
have it.


Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] OM617/300sd oil pressure drop at idle, in gear

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

Steve MacSween wrote:

This is related to my run-hot thread

I seem to recall that the (base) MB spec for oil pressure at hot idle in an
OM617 is 1 bar.

I am getting ~1.5-ish bar at idle hot in park, even when the car is running
hot, but it drops further and faster, to 1 bar in gear once the engine has
really got hot, or I'm in dead traffic, and can even sneak just under the 1
bar mark in traffic jams. So I am constantly shifting into neutral when
waiting.

Question: what is the spec, and is it spec'd for neutral/park or idling in
gear?


As long as the idle is above 0.5 at idle (0.3 in later cars) there is NO 
problem. The oil pressure must increase to 3 bar as the car comes up to 
speed (Mercedes doesn't absolutely require it to reach 3 bar until 3000 
rpm, but I get nervous if it's not there by 2000).


Of importance is that idle be at 700-800 under ALL conditions (AC on, AC 
off, in gear, out of gear, etc.). If it won't do that, there is 
something (usually minor) wrong.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Continued off topic

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

Mitch Haley wrote:



My solution: Get serious about finding and exporting the illegals. 
The video from the May Day protests should give us lots of prime
suspects. For every illegal we kick out, we let in one legal. 
My amnesty program is to show no preference or ill will towards

the illegals we kick out, they can apply for legal entry, securing
their place in line with everybody else who applies today, behind
everybody who already applied. 


The logic is irrefutable, impractical, but absolutely logical! Imagine 
the cost of deporting 12+ million people (use the costs of moving a 
million or so out of New Orleans as a staring place).


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] I really do not like W107

2006-05-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain

Hmm, maybe I'll go knock on nearby doors and see if I can find out who it
belongs to, then play dumb and see if they know how rare it is.  What should
I expect to pay for one of those?  There seems to be virtually no collector
market for the non-rare 450SLCs.

On 5/26/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yup - that's the one. First badged as 450SLC 5.0, then changed to
500SLC with a re-designed engine and four speed tranny. It's the first
aluminum block 117 engine with the chassis tuned for the rallies/races
that MB won in that time frame. There were 2769 built from '77 to '81
-  http://fly.hiwaay.net/~gbf/107/slc.htm

A total of 62,888 SLCs had been manufactured over a ten year period
of which just 1,636 were the 450SLC-5.0 and 1,133 were the 500SLC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_R107 - nice history of the
racing SLCs.

Wonder if I can get Kaleb to haul it home from Portland???




Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper


Re: [MBZ] Coil Spring Compressor

2006-05-27 Thread John Berryman


On May 27, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Trampas wrote:

I need an internal coil spring compressor to do some work on my  
W126. Since
this is the second or third time I have needed one I was going to  
purchase

one. Does anyone have one for sale or a recommendation for cheap one?


	I just saw the Klann Tool MB compressor for over $1000, someone  
posted a link. A few years ago Joe and Dave arranged for a group buy  
and some of us took advantage and paid less than $500.
	My recommendation for a cheap one is don't attempt to use anything  
but the right tool, both for safety's sake and ease of use. You can  
possibly rent one from Rusty or another member of this forum. I do  
not lend or rent any of my tools to anyone.




Thanks
Trampas


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Coil Spring Compressor

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey
I need an internal coil spring compressor to do some work on my W126. 
Since
this is the second or third time I have needed one I was going to 
purchase

one. Does anyone have one for sale or a recommendation for cheap one?


I got in on the group-buy Klann.  Not that cheap, but substantially
less than normal!  Compressed springs are a death trap, this is one
place I sprung (!) for the correct tool.  Good luck.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Fans in Front of Condenser '91 300D 2.5 Turbo

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey

What could cause this?


Someone may have rigged it to do this on purpose, it is not normal.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] A/C dryer replacement

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey
All opinions on the pros and cons of replacing the pressure switch 
without

replacing the dryer are welcome.


You'll be fine.  The system has not been open to air, so it probably
has not saturated the drier.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey

see if the big pharmacy has citric acid in stock.


Baking supply house.  I paid $11 for 5# a few years ago.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 27 May 2006 11:47:13 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  see if the big pharmacy has citric acid in stock.
 
 Baking supply house.  I paid $11 for 5# a few years ago.

I bought a bag off eBay. How do I verify that it's citric acid?


Craig



Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey
The odd thing here is that the car's tendency to run hotter in cold 
ambient

temps probably means the problem with the clutch fan is related to the
'sensor' (not sure what to call it) not being able to cope with cold, 
not

hot.


That screams thermostat (or eroded thermostat housing) to me, not fan 
clutch.

Not all brand-new thermostats are good ones.  When you feel the radiator
immediately behind the fan, is it hot or cold?  When the SDL's radiator
was clogged that area was cold, so of course the fan clutch wouldn't
(and shouldn't, and wouldn't have done any good if it had) engage.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey

I bought a bag off eBay. How do I verify that it's citric acid?


Taste it.  If it's got the pucker power of kids' candy it's CA.
If it's nasty tasting or you die, it's something else!  (If your
tongue numbs, sell it on the street corner for a substantial
profit!)

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Continued off topic

2006-05-27 Thread LT Don

Military pilots are required to log x number of hours per month for training
purposes. We used to haul beer to the USCG Exchange on Nantucket (from Cape
Cod) and log it as training time. We also flew Admirals on sight-seeing
tours to Maine lighthouses -- logged as training time.

So, each time a C-130 full of illegals are rounded up, haul them by bus (air
conditioning optional) to the nearest military facility, load them on board,
and have the pilots log some training time. Mexico is but a short hop, and
it it is to Europe then a training flight into one of our bases there, then
a different aircraft (more training time) to the nearest border.

(Partly tongue in cheek, please understand.)

On 5/27/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




The logic is irrefutable, impractical, but absolutely logical! Imagine
the cost of deporting 12+ million people (use the costs of moving a
million or so out of New Orleans as a staring place).

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Continued off topic

2006-05-27 Thread BillR
Let us also take a look at the current proposal of letting anyone here 5+
years apply for citizenship - absolute bonanza for forgers; 2 - 5 years to
exit and reapply - bonanza for forgers and less than honest immigration
workers [reported to be a problem already]; getting rid of the rest.  90
days to process up to 12 million people, including finding them to begin
with, doing a detail document check to sort out forgeries.  Then of course
there are the usual case of dad has been here 6 years, mom only 3, etc. I am
not sure I could prove I was working 5 years ago without IRS and employer
records.  Say we could somehow find all the workers we need already trained
to speak the correct languages, spot forged documents, and determine who was
really supposed to fit into which category.  Assuming the 90 days is 90
working days and not three months - that means that if this imaginary work
force could each do 25 full checks a day [which I doubt would be possible,
including calls to the sub-contractors who supplied day laborers to farmers
to ask about their records of hiring illegals, paid in cash, from 5 years
ago] we would need 5,333 workers for each of the 90 days.  I'm sure none of
them would get ill, quit, or be a slow worker. 
 I think we would also need to assign all state and national legislators
to be part of such a work force.  At least they wouldn't be able to suggest
any equally impossible legislation while they were trying to do that.
 Such a well thought out plan. 
 I just wish I had a better one to answer all the problems.
BillR

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Marshall Booth
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 2:25 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Continued off topic

Mitch Haley wrote:

 
 My solution: Get serious about finding and exporting the illegals. 
 The video from the May Day protests should give us lots of prime 
 suspects. For every illegal we kick out, we let in one legal.
 My amnesty program is to show no preference or ill will towards the 
 illegals we kick out, they can apply for legal entry, securing their 
 place in line with everybody else who applies today, behind everybody 
 who already applied.

The logic is irrefutable, impractical, but absolutely logical! Imagine the
cost of deporting 12+ million people (use the costs of moving a million or
so out of New Orleans as a staring place).

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Fans in Front of Condenser '91 300D 2.5 Turbo

2006-05-27 Thread l02turner
Thanks for the info, Marshall - with the W124 Bible I rec'd from Rusty 
Thurs - --  its helpful descriptions and diagrams showing the locations of 
various switches, relays  sensors will help me locate those things you 
suggest might be causing this problem. ;-)


Thanks again -- 


Sincerely,
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From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Fans in Front of Condenser '91 300D 2.5 Turbo



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Howdy -
Whenever the ACC is set to a AC position and the car is fired up the aux
fans behind the grill start spinning.  At first I thought this might be a
self-test but I found the fans continued to run for much too long for 
that.

What could cause this?


A shorted pressure sensor (S32/1) a defective temp sensor (B-10/8) or a
defective fan relay (either K-9 or K-10). Maybe other things as well,
but those will do it.

Marshall
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[MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker

2006-05-27 Thread l02turner
As suggested, I sent a note to MBCA asking for the Invoice or Window Sticker 
for my '91 300D.  Does that mean anything or is MBs filing system at fault??


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Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker

2006-05-27 Thread Christopher McCann
Does what mean anything?
 
 They do not always have the sticker, in which case, they have a copy of the 
invoice. 
 
 Did they tell you they have no info or something?
 
 Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As suggested, I sent a note to MBCA asking for the 
Invoice or Window Sticker 
for my '91 300D.  Does that mean anything or is MBs filing system at fault??

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According to an article in the May 18 issue of Der Stuttgarter Zeitung (an 
entire section is dedicated to the new MB Museum opening), Mercedes Benz 
Classic production figures are 40,000 in English and 90,000 in German.
 
 Nothing was said about the English version being discontinued. MBUSA is 
discontinuing it, but I wonder if it is still being produced in Germany and may 
be available through another channel. I only ever received two copies 
(subscribing just as they decided to discontinue it). BOTH issues came Priority 
mail! This is NOT how to mail a magazine...
 
 DID ANYBODY ELSE GET THEIRS ALL BY PRIORITY MAIL?
 
 I'm wondering if MBUSA was loosing money on it because they don't know how to 
mail magazines...
 
 40,000 is alot of subscribers and even though they are scattered around 
english speaking countries, there are shipping methods (ISAL - International 
Surface Air Lift) which makes international mailings reasonable.
 
 Anyway, just thinking aloud. I really liked the magazine. 
 
 I can't see someone ditching a mag with 40,000 subscribers when you are simplt 
translating from a mag you are already doing for 90,000 subscribers. I think 
someone screwed something up.
 
 Chris
 

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Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker

2006-05-27 Thread Bob Rentfro
A nice fellow called me yesterday, by the way, to tell me they had neither 
the sticker nor the invoice for my car. It took them 2 weeks after I faxed 
them the information to determine this.


Bob Rentfro

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker


Does what mean anything?

They do not always have the sticker, in which case, they have a copy of the 
invoice.


Did they tell you they have no info or something?

Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As suggested, I sent a note to MBCA asking for 
the Invoice or Window Sticker

for my '91 300D.  Does that mean anything or is MBs filing system at fault??

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Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker

2006-05-27 Thread l02turner
Well Duh!  I'm missing  a few words!  I'm trying to get used to the glide 
pad on my laptop - sometimes my wrist brushes against it and I end up 
erasing a section of stuff!  Sorry -

\
What it shoud have said is, MB says there is no window sticker or dealer 
invoice in the file.


The carfax tells me it was purchased/leased from a dealer in Mass. so I 
don't know why nothings on file.

Oh well -

Sincerely,
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- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker


Does what mean anything?

They do not always have the sticker, in which case, they have a copy of the 
invoice.


Did they tell you they have no info or something?

Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As suggested, I sent a note to MBCA asking for 
the Invoice or Window Sticker

for my '91 300D.  Does that mean anything or is MBs filing system at fault??

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/27/06 2:05 PM, John Berryman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 AC on or off? 

AC off, does not work anyway and the wire that should lead to the sensor for
the fan is MIA.

 There could be a 20+ year old pile of dead bugs, dead vegetation and
 general debris on the forward side of the radiator, (between the
 condenser and radiator).

No, see my other post on that, this rad was clean when installed.

 Has it ever hit the red on the gauge after you burped it and topped
 it off? I wouldn't sweat it if it hasn't.

Came damn close to 120 but never there, took two or three startups/shutdowns
to get it to come down.

 It wouldn't hurt to check
 and clean the sensor connection to ensure good contact and accurate
 readings. 

BTDT, also repaired the frays in the sheathing on the wire to the sensor.

 Was the original T-Stat stuck open or closed prior to changing it?

It was only six months old and I changed it, well, just because it was the
cheapest way to start.

Someone asked about the arrow on the t-stat, I installed it facing UP.

Mac




Re: [MBZ] SD run-hot update

2006-05-27 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/27/06 2:50 PM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That screams thermostat (or eroded thermostat housing) to me, not fan
 clutch.
 Not all brand-new thermostats are good ones.

T-stat is new and replaced one only in there for six months.

Housing looked great to me, when I had it apart, what am I looking for,
obvious eating away of the surface (pock marks) or do you mean it wears away
smoothly/evenly?

I have to pull it again to do the flush, so I can look more carefully then.

Mac




Re: [MBZ] OM617/300sd oil pressure drop at idle, in gear

2006-05-27 Thread Steve MacSween
on 5/27/06 2:16 PM, Marshall Booth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Of importance is that idle be at 700-800 under ALL conditions (AC on, AC
 off, in gear, out of gear, etc.). If it won't do that, there is
 something (usually minor) wrong.

Oh, dear, here we go again ;-)

My idle jumps up (estimating, dead tach) about 150-200 rpms in neutral, more
so when the engine is fully warmed up.

I always thought that was just normal. My w116 SD did it too, IRRC, can't
remember what my ex-Kaleb SD did.

TKS

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[MBZ] OT: Laptop glide/touch pads [was: Re: MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker]

2006-05-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:06:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well Duh!  I'm missing  a few words!  I'm trying to get used to the
 glide pad on my laptop - sometimes my wrist brushes against it and I
 end up erasing a section of stuff!  Sorry -

I have the same problem on my Dell C840 at work - I relax my thumbs, they
touch the pad and suddenly a different window (or none at all) has the
focus. Frustrating.

I'm told there is a way in Windows to disable the mouse click action of
the pad and use it just for pointing, but since I use Linux ...


Craig



Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker

2006-05-27 Thread Christopher McCann
that sucks. Sorry to hear that, Bob.
 
 Chris

Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A nice fellow called me yesterday, by 
the way, to tell me they had neither 
the sticker nor the invoice for my car. It took them 2 weeks after I faxed 
them the information to determine this.

Bob Rentfro

- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker


Does what mean anything?

 They do not always have the sticker, in which case, they have a copy of the 
invoice.

 Did they tell you they have no info or something?

 Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As suggested, I sent a note to MBCA asking for 
the Invoice or Window Sticker
for my '91 300D.  Does that mean anything or is MBs filing system at fault??

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Some more logic:

Well, a lot of those Katrina people came to Houston as guests and stayed 
like a worthless brother-in-law, collecting bennies from us while 
bringing along the worst aspects of their culture, and we have a huge 
population of guest workers from SOTB as well, but they seem to be 
mostly working for a living and generally behaving, so I would rather 
trade the illegals for the KEs.  Come to think of it, the illegals are 
replacing the Katrina evacuees in Chocolate City, since they 
apparently have no problem working.  I wish we could ship back the 
remaining KEs, but they seem to be getting a better deal here, at least 

Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker

2006-05-27 Thread Christopher McCann
That is strange becuase they told me that they do not always have stickers, but 
always have invoices...
 
 Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Duh!  I'm missing  a few words!  I'm trying to 
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\
What it shoud have said is, MB says there is no window sticker or dealer 
invoice in the file.

The carfax tells me it was purchased/leased from a dealer in Mass. so I 
don't know why nothings on file.
Oh well -

Sincerely,
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- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker


Does what mean anything?

 They do not always have the sticker, in which case, they have a copy of the 
invoice.

 Did they tell you they have no info or something?

 Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As suggested, I sent a note to MBCA asking for 
the Invoice or Window Sticker
for my '91 300D.  Does that mean anything or is MBs filing system at fault??

Sincerely,
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I second that emotion.  Rent Rusty's for $75 (if that is still his 
price) and save your life, peace of mind, your car, your family and 
neighbors, dogs, cats, birds, and 

Re: [MBZ] OM617/300sd oil pressure drop at idle, in gear

2006-05-27 Thread Marshall Booth

Steve MacSween wrote:

on 5/27/06 2:16 PM, Marshall Booth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Of importance is that idle be at 700-800 under ALL conditions (AC on, AC
off, in gear, out of gear, etc.). If it won't do that, there is
something (usually minor) wrong.


Oh, dear, here we go again ;-)

My idle jumps up (estimating, dead tach) about 150-200 rpms in neutral, more
so when the engine is fully warmed up.

I always thought that was just normal. My w116 SD did it too, IRRC, can't
remember what my ex-Kaleb SD did.

TKS



The device in the injection pump that controls fuel quantity responds to 
engine rpm. If it won't hold engine speed relatively constant (once the 
engine temp has stabilized) it isn't working as it was intended to work.


Marshall
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[MBZ] FW: a/c ?

2006-05-27 Thread Joe Knight

Spud's still unsubbed from the list; too busy to keep up these days.
He's asked me to forward the following, which I've culled from several
emails in hopes someone can shed more light.  Those of you who've been
around surely know how to send mail to him direct.  I'm on digest so
won't make a very good conduit anyway.

j

Begin quoted text:
My BIL had to replace the compressor in his 87 300D, and while he was
at it, decided to convert back to R-12 and flush out the neon green
PAG/POE oil. However, the FSM is rather vague on the fresh oil fill.
There's a spec of 120cc of mineral oil to be added to a new, empty
compressor. Question is, is that spec for the compressor only, or the
entire system? It appears that there may need to be another 70cc or so
for the condenser, drier, and hoses. Anyone know for sure?

...he did put in approx 7 ounces of
oil. The system held pressure for 2 hours with dry nitrogen (around
300psi, I think) and then was vacuumed for a couple hours also, then
charged. And after all that, the new compressor was binding enough to
squeal the belt and trip the belt safety circuit... d'oh! Absolutely
no idea what went wrong - any ideas? Put 4oz into the compressor and
the remaining 3oz into the lines.

It was a fresh rebuild, or new, I'm not sure which (probably rebuilt).
It arrived dry - no oil in it. He added 4oz to the compressor and
turned it by hand about 20 times before installing it. I too am
wondering if it's a bad rebuild... at least I hope so. He's not too
happy about losing a fresh charge of R-12, though, that's for sure



Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker

2006-05-27 Thread l02turner
Maybe I'll try again in a few months - sometimes people make mistakes when 
looking thru files -


   When I called about my 78 240D a long time ago they said my VIN wasn't 
in the system - and the only explanation was that it might be a gray market 
car.  But I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would import a 
240D that's loaded (everything except leather seats) when they could buy one 
at their local dealer and not worry about service/warranty problems.


I suspect their filing methods may be less than perfect.

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker


That is strange becuase they told me that they do not always have stickers, 
but always have invoices...


Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Duh!  I'm missing  a few words!  I'm 
trying to get used to the glide

pad on my laptop - sometimes my wrist brushes against it and I end up
erasing a section of stuff!  Sorry -
\
What it shoud have said is, MB says there is no window sticker or dealer
invoice in the file.

The carfax tells me it was purchased/leased from a dealer in Mass. so I
don't know why nothings on file.
Oh well -

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann

To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Invoice / WIndow Sticker


Does what mean anything?

They do not always have the sticker, in which case, they have a copy of the
invoice.

Did they tell you they have no info or something?

Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As suggested, I sent a note to MBCA asking for
the Invoice or Window Sticker
for my '91 300D.  Does that mean anything or is MBs filing system at fault??

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
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Re: [MBZ] A/C dryer replacement

2006-05-27 Thread JFreezn
 
In a message dated 5/27/2006 9:24:39 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I need  to replace a leaking pressure switch on top of the dryer in an '83 
300D  Turbo.  In American cars the dryer is usually replaced any time a part  
in the A/C system is replaced, but I don't want to replace this $180 dryer  
until vacuuming and gassing up the system to see if this is the only  leak.

All opinions on the pros and cons of replacing the pressure  switch without 
replacing the dryer are  welcome.



Gerry,
 
Ithink it was about 82 or 83 that they made the pressure switches so that  
they screwed into a shrader valved port.  If so, you won't loose more than  a 
psssft of freon.  Non the less, I would feel totally comfortable changing  any 
switch without changing the dryer.  
 
Just be careful how much pressure exists, IF you are unscrewing a sensor  
from a live penetration.  The word bullet comes to mind!
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles



Re: [MBZ] [Banned] carfax please

2006-05-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Vehicle Snapshot
Vehicle 2004 Chevrolet Aveo Base
VIN KL1TD62694B215089
Body Style 4 Door Hatchback
Country of Manufacture South Korea


Vehicle History Checklist
Vehicle Description KL1TD62694B215089
Title Check No records found
Problem Check No records found
Odometer Check Records found
Vehicle Information No records found
Full History Records found

 Title Check
Your vehicle checks out!

Abandoned No Abandoned Records Found
Damaged No Damaged Records Found
Fire Damage No Fire Damage Records Found
Grey Market No Grey Market Records Found
Hail Damage No Hail Damage Records Found
Insurance Loss No Insurance Loss Records Found
Junk No Junk Records Found
Rebuilt/Rebuildable No Rebuilt/Rebuildable Records Found
Salvage No Salvage Records Found


 Problem Check
Your vehicle checks out!

NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle No NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle Records Found
Fire Damage Incident No Fire Damage Incident Records Found
Frame Damage No Frame Damage Records Found
Major Damage No Major Damage Records Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found
Odometer Problem No Odometer Problem Records Found
Salvage Auction No Salvage Auction Records Found
Water Damage No Water Damage Records Found


 Vehicle Information
Your vehicle checks out!

Accident Data No Accident Data Records Found
Corrected Title No Corrected Title Records Found
Driver Education No Driver Education Records Found
Duplicate Title No Duplicate Title Records Found
Emission/Safety Inspection No Emission/Safety Inspection Records Found
Livery Use No Livery Use Records Found
Government Use No Government Use Records Found
Police Use No Police Use Records Found
Rental/Fleet No Rental/Fleet Records Found
Repossessed No Repossessed Records Found
Taxi Use No Taxi Use Records Found
Theft No Theft Records Found


 Vehicle History Records
We have searched the Experian Automotive National Vehicle Database of 
insurance, DMV, and auto auction information and found the following 8 
records for this 2004 CHEVROLET AVEO BASE. Note the highlighted rows for 
potential issues that could affect the value of this vehicle.


Date Location Mileage* Description
2004-10-15 edina, MO  registration event/renewal
2004-10-25 edina, MO 260 title
2005-01-21 brashear, MO  registration event/renewal
2005-10-21 midwest region, 12560 reported at auto auction
2005-11-08 edina, MO 2434 title
2005-12-02 brashear, MO  title
2005-12-22 rolling meadows, IL 12560 title
2006-01-10 midwest region, 12560 auction announced as fleet/lease


Glossary of Descriptions Found for This Vehicle (full glossary)
Description Full Definition
* Possible odometer irregularity detected Please review the values in 
the Mileage column carefully. If the odometer readings are out of 
sequence, possible causes include: odometer roll-back; odometer 
roll-over; data entry error by DMV or other data source (wrong date on a 
record, typo in the odometer reading).


Renewal Vehicle had registration renewal event reported by state DMV.
Title Vehicle had title registration event reported by state DMV.
Auction Odometer Reading Vehicle reported the vehicle's odometer reading 
is from auto auction.
Auction Announced as Fleet/Lease Auto Auction reported vehicle as fleet 
or lease.




LT Don wrote:


KL1TD62694B215089

Thanks.



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