Re: [MBZ] VIN / Carfax
And way past its expiration date, too. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Carfax checks this out as a 1987 Yugo. On 3/26/07, Roger Conlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would somebody with a carfax account be willing to run a VIN check for me? WDBCB20A7DB040628 should be a 83 300SD Thanks Roger _ Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18466moid=7581 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smart car for US
Same here with the Green Car Company. I am seeing a few of the Smarts on the road now. At least they are real cars, unlike the bastardized beasts the seller is making with old Volvos into diesel, or the overpriced BioD boats in MB or VW on the lot. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 3/26/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This month's issue of Winding Road (on-line mag) features the new Smart car, and discusses Penske's plans for bring it to the US. http://www.windingroad.com/ A dealer here in Portland, Ore. (http://www.oswegoluxury.com/) has been selling the previous-generation model for a couple of months. Gray market of course. Apparently they are flying off the lot despite the $10K + markup for EPA/DOT/XYZ certification. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
The third and fourth tier lots in Seattle are filling up with 3-9 year old Benz. Bound to be a real glut and drop in price by fall. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 3/26/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The few I've seen at the dealer are WAY above what them seem to go for in the market, and they weren't even anything extra special. Might be worth it, considering that new-car dealers tend to keep only the best trade-ins to sell themselves and auction the rest off. A 140 is definitely the kind of car where the buy the best one you can afford rule applies---no way are you going to be able to save money fixing up a neglected example like you might with a 123. Where I live I bet you could find a tired 500SEL for $8,000 or a really nice one for $18,000 (just pulling numbers out of the air to make a point, but they're probably close enough). Either way you would end up spending $25,000 total when you'd fixed what needed to be fixed. The difference is that the car that cost less originally is going to be a lot rougher around the edges---when all's said and done you have a nice-driving but ratty car for the same price as a nice-driving, nice-looking one. (I am half-seriously shopping for an E34 chassis BMW right now and finding pretty much the same thing to be true. Prices range from $2 -10K, but the $2K ones need a LOT more work.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
I noticed the same thing here...youngest daughter needs wheelsI'm standing by. Bob R - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 ?? The third and fourth tier lots in Seattle are filling up with 3-9 year old Benz. Bound to be a real glut and drop in price by fall. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 3/26/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The few I've seen at the dealer are WAY above what them seem to go for in the market, and they weren't even anything extra special. Might be worth it, considering that new-car dealers tend to keep only the best trade-ins to sell themselves and auction the rest off. A 140 is definitely the kind of car where the buy the best one you can afford rule applies---no way are you going to be able to save money fixing up a neglected example like you might with a 123. Where I live I bet you could find a tired 500SEL for $8,000 or a really nice one for $18,000 (just pulling numbers out of the air to make a point, but they're probably close enough). Either way you would end up spending $25,000 total when you'd fixed what needed to be fixed. The difference is that the car that cost less originally is going to be a lot rougher around the edges---when all's said and done you have a nice-driving but ratty car for the same price as a nice-driving, nice-looking one. (I am half-seriously shopping for an E34 chassis BMW right now and finding pretty much the same thing to be true. Prices range from $2 -10K, but the $2K ones need a LOT more work.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
I call dibs on it. Emailed for additional pics etc. Unless its a big rust bucket I will go pick it up. andrew strasfogel wrote: IMHO such a car is not worth restoring because 1) valve job is surely needed soon ($3,000), 2) crappy interiors (thin wood and leather), 3) poor fuel economy, 4) dash is probably cracked and looks oogy, 5) they usually stink of stale tobacco smoke, and 6) poor fuel economy and overall technology is passe. On 3/25/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/299919286.html Anyone interested? -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Noise from upper left front suspension area - '84 300D
Found it, thank goodness the shock strut doesn't have teeth or it woulda' bit me. For some reason the left front shock strut, the threaded rod part, extended ~ 1/4 and was causing the problem. I disconnected the two nuts, added an extra rubber washer under the top washers and the noise has disappeared. G. M. Brown Rochester, NY
Re: [MBZ] VIN / Carfax
Report Run Date: 03/26/2007 Vehicle Description: WDBCB20A7DB040628 TitleCheck: No Record Reported to AutoCheck Problem Check: No Record Reported to AutoCheck Odometer Check: No Record Reported to AutoCheck Vehicle Information: No Record Reported to AutoCheck Full History: Record(s) Reported to AutoCheck Vehicle Description | TitleCheck | ProblemCheck | OdometerCheck | Vehicle Information | Full History VIN: WDBCB20A7DB040628 Year: 1983 Make: Mercedes-Benz Model: 300 Series 300SD Style/Body: Sedan 4D Engine: 3.0L I5 FI Country of Assembly: Germany Vehicle Description | TitleCheck | ProblemCheck | OdometerCheck | Vehicle Information | Full History Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck's database for this 1983 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 300SD (WDBCB20A7DB040628) show no significant Title events. When found, events often indicate past automotive damage or warnings associated with the vehicle title. Problems Checked Results Found AbandonedNo Abandoned Record Reported to AutoCheck DamagedNo Damaged Record Reported to AutoCheck Fire DamageNo Fire Damage Record Reported to AutoCheck Grey MarketNo Grey Market Record Reported to AutoCheck Hail DamageNo Hail Damage Record Reported to AutoCheck Insurance LossNo Insurance Loss Record Reported to AutoCheck JunkNo Junk Record Reported to AutoCheck Rebuilt/RebuildableNo Rebuilt/Rebuildable Record Reported to AutoCheck SalvageNo Salvage Record Reported to AutoCheck Vehicle Description | TitleCheck | ProblemCheck | OdometerCheck | Vehicle Information | Full History Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck's database for this 1983 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 300SD (WDBCB20A7DB040628) shows no historical events that indicate a significant automotive problem. These problems can indicate previous car damage, theft, or other significant problem. Problems Checked Results Found NHTSA Crash Test VehicleNo NHTSA Crash Test Record Reported to AutoCheck Frame DamageNo Frame Damage Record Reported to AutoCheck Major Damage IncidentNo Major Damage Record Reported to AutoCheck Manufacturer Buyback/LemonNo Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Record Reported to AutoCheck Odometer ProblemNo Odometer Problem Record Reported to AutoCheck RecycledNo Recycled Record Reported to AutoCheck Salvage AuctionNo Salvage Auction Record Reported to AutoCheck Water DamageNo Water Damage Record Reported to AutoCheck Vehicle Description | TitleCheck | ProblemCheck | OdometerCheck | Vehicle Information | Full History Your Vehicle Checks Out! For this 1983 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 300SD (WDBCB20A7DB040628) no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. We calculate odometer rollbacks by using AutoCheck business rules to determine reported odometer readings are less than a previously reported value. Other odometer events can report events of tampering, or possible odometer breakage. AutoCheck's business rules have been created and refined to help identify potential rollbacks from the reported odometer readings. Not all odometer readings are used to determine rollbacks. Vehicle Description | TitleCheck | ProblemCheck | OdometerCheck | Vehicle Information | Full History Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck shows a clean record for this 1983 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 300SD (WDBCB20A7DB040628). For some cars, past vehicle information may give indication of excessive wear and tear, such as police cars or taxi use. Problems Checked Results Found Accident DataNo Accidents Reported Through State Agencies Or Independent Sources Corrected TitleNo Corrected Title Record Reported to AutoCheck Driver EducationNo Driver Education Record Reported to AutoCheck Duplicate TitleNo Duplicate Title Record Reported to AutoCheck Emission/Safety InspectionNo Emission/Safety Inspection Record Reported to AutoCheck Fire Damage IncidentNo Fire Damage Incident Record Reported to AutoCheck LeaseNo Lease Record Reported to AutoCheck LienNo Lien Record Reported to AutoCheck Livery UseNo Livery Use Record Reported to AutoCheck Government UseNo Government Use Record Reported to AutoCheck Police UseNo Police Use Record Reported to AutoCheck FleetNo Fleet Record Reported to AutoCheck Fleet and/or RentalNo Fleet and/or Rental Record Reported to AutoCheck RentalNo Rental Record Reported to AutoCheck Fleet and/or LeaseNo Fleet and/or Lease Record Reported to AutoCheck RepossessedNo Repossessed Record Reported to AutoCheck Storm Area Registration/TitleNo Storm Area Registration/Title Indicated Taxi UseNo Taxi Use Record Reported to AutoCheck TheftNo Theft Record Reported to AutoCheck Vehicle Description | TitleCheck | ProblemCheck | OdometerCheck | Vehicle Information | Full History Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in
Re: [MBZ] Noise from upper left front suspension area - '84 300D
Rubber buffers are probably dead then. I believe you can get new ones -- some rainy day it will be worth your time to replace all four sets -- when going back in, only tighten the pair of nuts down to where a thread or two shows at the top of the top nut, or the equivalent distance with a lock nut. You can run them down until they stop, but then you don't have the cushioning of the rubber as intended. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
You asked:more slippage during shifts - in other words, when a shift takes a longer period of time - more wear is taking place It's just like a clutch on a manual tranny. If you let the clutch out slowly the gear will engage slowly and smoothly at the expense of a buildup of heat on the clutch disc material - and subsequent wear. OTOH, letting the clutchout quickly so the geares are engaged solidly quickly, the parts will mate and little heat will be generated. Of course, the shift will be pretty abrupt. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D Does this suggest that the more slippage during shifts - in other words, when a shift takes a longer period of time - more wear is taking place? I have the feeling this is the case, as I understand that in auto trannys, a quick, crisp shift is more healthy than a drawn-out shift where the engine speed sort of takes a long slide down into the higher gear (like fingernails on chalkboard to me)? Our CRV does this under some conditions. Brian Tom wrote: For example, a lot of older Mercedes have a rough 3rd - 4th gear shift some Mercedes owners (and transmission shops) will adjust to soften the shift. But doing this slows down all shift points, causing more slippage, rapid clutch wear early failure. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 3/25/2007 11:07 AM
[MBZ] 87 300TD for sale
No connection, etc: 1987 300TD for sale in Memphis in case anyone is interested. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info These are great cars. We like ours so much we went out and get a matching 88 TE last year Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD for sale
how much do they want? How many wagons do you have? Loren Faeth wrote: No connection, etc: 1987 300TD for sale in Memphis in case anyone is interested. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info These are great cars. We like ours so much we went out and get a matching 88 TE last year Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Noise from upper left front suspension area - '84 300D
John, Check the subject line.. Chuck Phoenix AZ Others will probably want to know what year and chassis your car is too... John '79 300SD
Re: [MBZ] Smart?
So long as your neighbor in his F250 doesn't run over you in your Smart car, you will be fine. I know they are built strong and you just bounce like a basket ball rather than get squished like a bug but I'm getting old and I don't bounce as well as I once did. I still prefer more car around me thankyou Now that the new Smart is out, the comparisons to the old one are in print. I liked the one comparing the shift feel to a big rubber band with knots in it. The new one has more power, a longer wheelbase and some short crush zones front and rear, unlike the original which had none. If this one doesn't sell, Smart is finished. They have never made a profit and DC is fed up. Why would anyone pay 16 grand for this car? RLE ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
We have a 1992 600SEL. The 1992-1995 S-Class cars used bio-degradeable wiring harness's under the hood. If your car starts throwing error codes it isn't the senders - it's the wiring harness. Another known issue is the evaporator core - local guy can do them for $3300 using factory parts. Rear accumulators - two nitrogen filled spheres ( softball size ) affect rear ride for ASD. The nitrogen leaks past the seal and the dampening is gone. Not wiring related but you might as well replace that harness also when your replacing all the other ones. V-8 motors have the oil tubes on top the motor that get brittle break and also get clogged - easy DIY fix. V-12 motors typically need the ETA's replaced. $3500 each from the dealer. I have heard that the door trunk closers can die, haven't experienced that yet. 1996 - 1999 use OBD2 computer systems diagnosis which is much better than OBD1 and the wiring harness's hold up much better. Find a local shop with old school guys working there. Dealerships typically use FNG's because their cheap. But they're also clueless. James Zavesky 1992 600SEL 1991 500SL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] W140 ?? OK, have a few questions regarding the W140 S Class (S500). I'm looking for a car for my Dad. I've looked at a few older W126 models, but most are either rough, unknown history, or the old tin worm is starting to get to them. I've looked around for a SDL, but not many around up here. I know there has been much negative stuff said about the old W140, but I've always loved the look of the car. Also, they seem to have depreciated pretty fast compared to some other models. Ok, the questions. What is the going range for a nice S500? What were the real problems with these cars, and did they infact have that many problems, or was most of it due to lact of maintance? I mean, were there problems with the important things like the engine, trans etc, or was it more fiddly things like the auto door close latch, and similar toys?What are some of the problem areas on these cars? My dad does very few miles now that he's retired, but I'd like a big safe comfortable car for him and Mum. Gas mileage is not a really big issue. I now a coulpe of guys sell parts on the list, and there are a few mail order places listed too. Any of you guys carry parts for the old W140? Also, any places in Canada selling parts, other than the dealer? I've seen a S500s around lately. Can anyone recommend a used car place in Toronto for such cars. The few I've seen at the dealer are WAY above what them seem to go for in the market, and they weren't even anything extra special. Thanks for any help, suggestions and advise. Ed ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart?
I wouldn't pay 16 grand-I'd rather buy 8 240D's for that money. My .02 Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:46 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Smart? So long as your neighbor in his F250 doesn't run over you in your Smart car, you will be fine. I know they are built strong and you just bounce like a basket ball rather than get squished like a bug but I'm getting old and I don't bounce as well as I once did. I still prefer more car around me thankyou Now that the new Smart is out, the comparisons to the old one are in print. I liked the one comparing the shift feel to a big rubber band with knots in it. The new one has more power, a longer wheelbase and some short crush zones front and rear, unlike the original which had none. If this one doesn't sell, Smart is finished. They have never made a profit and DC is fed up. Why would anyone pay 16 grand for this car? RLE ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
Hi James, Thanks for your help and pointing out a few things to watch for. Love the V12 cars. I like the early ones as I belive they had a little more power, and didn't have the two tone interior? I saw a really nice '98 S500 the other day, and even hung around in the parking lot for 45 minutes, hoping to catch them, but no show, so I left. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the shop manual for the W140? A link or .pdf file would be great. Thanks again for your help James. Hope the back is feeling better. Ed On 26/03/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a 1992 600SEL. The 1992-1995 S-Class cars used bio-degradeable wiring harness's under the hood. If your car starts throwing error codes it isn't the senders - it's the wiring harness. Another known issue is the evaporator core - local guy can do them for $3300 using factory parts. Rear accumulators - two nitrogen filled spheres ( softball size ) affect rear ride for ASD. The nitrogen leaks past the seal and the dampening is gone. Not wiring related but you might as well replace that harness also when your replacing all the other ones. V-8 motors have the oil tubes on top the motor that get brittle break and also get clogged - easy DIY fix. V-12 motors typically need the ETA's replaced. $3500 each from the dealer. I have heard that the door trunk closers can die, haven't experienced that yet. 1996 - 1999 use OBD2 computer systems diagnosis which is much better than OBD1 and the wiring harness's hold up much better. Find a local shop with old school guys working there. Dealerships typically use FNG's because their cheap. But they're also clueless. James Zavesky 1992 600SEL 1991 500SL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] W140 ?? OK, have a few questions regarding the W140 S Class (S500). I'm looking for a car for my Dad. I've looked at a few older W126 models, but most are either rough, unknown history, or the old tin worm is starting to get to them. I've looked around for a SDL, but not many around up here. I know there has been much negative stuff said about the old W140, but I've always loved the look of the car. Also, they seem to have depreciated pretty fast compared to some other models. Ok, the questions. What is the going range for a nice S500? What were the real problems with these cars, and did they infact have that many problems, or was most of it due to lact of maintance? I mean, were there problems with the important things like the engine, trans etc, or was it more fiddly things like the auto door close latch, and similar toys?What are some of the problem areas on these cars? My dad does very few miles now that he's retired, but I'd like a big safe comfortable car for him and Mum. Gas mileage is not a really big issue. I now a coulpe of guys sell parts on the list, and there are a few mail order places listed too. Any of you guys carry parts for the old W140? Also, any places in Canada selling parts, other than the dealer? I've seen a S500s around lately. Can anyone recommend a used car place in Toronto for such cars. The few I've seen at the dealer are WAY above what them seem to go for in the market, and they weren't even anything extra special. Thanks for any help, suggestions and advise. Ed ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
On Mar 26, 2007, at 5:56 PM, James Zavesky wrote: I have heard that the door trunk closers can die, haven't experienced that yet. It's the vacuum pump, made by Bosch watchmakers... vacuum, micro-switchs, electronics, something goes out of adjustment by a hair, you're toast.
[MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
I need to replace the compressor on my CD and will switch to R134 at the sametime. Are there other things (sensor/pressure switches) that need to be replaced also? TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) head case? '83 300SD (242 kmi) for sale '82 300CD (163 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
They look pretty cool from about 50 feet, so much so that I occasionally l*st after them despite the realities. One popped up for sale across the street from work. Must...resist...vortex. Love the looks of the 116. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
That is, beside the compressor and drier On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:35:11 -0600, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to replace the compressor on my CD and will switch to R134 at the sametime. Are there other things (sensor/pressure switches) that need to be replaced also? TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) head case? '83 300SD (242 kmi) for sale '82 300CD (163 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD for sale
We have an 87 TD and an 88 TE both are arctic while with blue interior. A matched set until it is time to fuel up. Prior to that were 85 300TD and 84 230TE. The 230 was very impressive. I think this one for sale could be had in the $4000 range Loren 88 TE 87 TD 87 SDL Sunday car 86 SDL 110 x 2 123 x 2 et al At 07:09 PM 3/26/2007, you wrote: how much do they want? How many wagons do you have? Loren Faeth wrote: No connection, etc: 1987 300TD for sale in Memphis in case anyone is interested. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info These are great cars. We like ours so much we went out and get a matching 88 TE last year Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
don't 134a is just as pricey as R12 substitutes. There is no reason to use 134, especially if you like your air conditioner to cool. swap the compressor and receiver drier and put in an R12 sub. At 09:35 PM 3/26/2007, you wrote: I need to replace the compressor on my CD and will switch to R134 at the sametime. Are there other things (sensor/pressure switches) that need to be replaced also? TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) head case? '83 300SD (242 kmi) for sale '82 300CD (163 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine '85 300D (280,176) parts car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
[MBZ] '84 300D Rubber buffers are probably dead then
Peter, I replaced all shock absorbers with Bilsteins from your pal in GA in '02 and there's only ~ 27K mi. on these shocks and rubber bushings, so I don't quite understand what's happened. G. M. Brown Rochester, NY
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
Did they continue with the door closers on the later cars? On 26/03/07, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2007, at 5:56 PM, James Zavesky wrote: I have heard that the door trunk closers can die, haven't experienced that yet. It's the vacuum pump, made by Bosch watchmakers... vacuum, micro-switchs, electronics, something goes out of adjustment by a hair, you're toast. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD for sale
Kaleb - I am ready to get that AC compressor and drier for my '81 300 SD. The old unit is actually working better these days - a sudden change on the way to Atlanta last week. It suddenly is not causing the car to overheat, which is good. Think I still need to replace, though. Let me know how to send you the $$ - PayPal? Also - I am getting a shaking in the front end on slight turns on the interstate. I'm having it checked when I get back from Tampa Thursday, but am wondering what to request they check - other than 'the front end'. Thanks - BillR Jacksonville 1981 300SD 287k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD for sale how much do they want? How many wagons do you have? Loren Faeth wrote: No connection, etc: 1987 300TD for sale in Memphis in case anyone is interested. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info These are great cars. We like ours so much we went out and get a matching 88 TE last year Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
the only 116 I lusted for is a 6.9 Worlds fastest production sedan! Yhoo! i'd just get in trouble. Around here johnny will give you a speeding ticket in a 240D auto. At 08:37 PM 3/26/2007, you wrote: They look pretty cool from about 50 feet, so much so that I occasionally l*st after them despite the realities. One popped up for sale across the street from work. Must...resist...vortex. Love the looks of the 116. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the only 116 I lusted for is a 6.9 Worlds fastest production sedan! Yhoo! There was a '79 300SD here a while ago, only 70,000 miles, nearly perfect cosmetically, but the ACC blew hot air on full blast all the time, tach was dead, and some other minor issues. I tried to buy it (was on a new car dealer's used lot) and could not get the price I wanted. But it was a very nice car, drove great. I like the 116 styling a lot, myself. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] '84 300D Rubber buffers are probably dead then
Check to make sure the bottom one is still there. I suppose the rubber could split and in that case, it would fall out. They usually last decades, though! Peter
[MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good?
Need oil and air filters for my Nissan truck, thought I'd give Rusty the order (at buyasianparts.com) since I don't like buying Fram or other generics at the local shops. Several filters listed, Denso being one, also NPN. Any suggestions? -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD for sale
I'm thinking of fixing the rusty areas on my 1983 300TD. Does anyone know of a decent body shop in MD or WV within an hour's drive of D.C.? Hagerstown, MD or Shepherdstown, WV would suit me fine. I don't feel like paying for high rent. I won't paint the car (it has 280K miles and was painted twice already + two transmissions). On 3/26/07, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb - I am ready to get that AC compressor and drier for my '81 300 SD. The old unit is actually working better these days - a sudden change on the way to Atlanta last week. It suddenly is not causing the car to overheat, which is good. Think I still need to replace, though. Let me know how to send you the $$ - PayPal? Also - I am getting a shaking in the front end on slight turns on the interstate. I'm having it checked when I get back from Tampa Thursday, but am wondering what to request they check - other than 'the front end'. Thanks - BillR Jacksonville 1981 300SD 287k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD for sale how much do they want? How many wagons do you have? Loren Faeth wrote: No connection, etc: 1987 300TD for sale in Memphis in case anyone is interested. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info These are great cars. We like ours so much we went out and get a matching 88 TE last year Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
Those are quite manageable and relatively inexpensive fixes (e.g., monovalve for the hot air). How much did they want for it? On 3/26/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the only 116 I lusted for is a 6.9 Worlds fastest production sedan! Yhoo! There was a '79 300SD here a while ago, only 70,000 miles, nearly perfect cosmetically, but the ACC blew hot air on full blast all the time, tach was dead, and some other minor issues. I tried to buy it (was on a new car dealer's used lot) and could not get the price I wanted. But it was a very nice car, drove great. I like the 116 styling a lot, myself. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
On 3/26/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Find a local shop with old school guys working there. Dealerships typically use FNG's because their cheap. But they're also clueless. FNGs? It's hard to get my head around the idea of a 140 being a car that only old school guys would know how to fix, but I guess I have a distorted perspective. I am regularly surprised that normal people (not car geeks) think of a car from the '90s as ready for the junk yard (as opposed to practically brand new) and that one from the '80s might as well be a Model T as far as its suitability as a daily driver. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Smart?
On 3/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that the new Smart is out, the comparisons to the old one are in print. I liked the one comparing the shift feel to a big rubber band with knots in it. Pretty much true of any car with cables instead of a proper (i.e. non-flexible) linkage between the shift lever and the gears, in my experience. Toyota MR2, for example. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Extended Warranty Providers
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:53:37 -0500 Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody have any opinions on Auto One Warranty Specialists. I am contemplating getting an extended warranty from them on my granddaughter's vehicle. If you are not familiar with this one, is there an extended warranty provider that you recommend? Sorry, I have no experience with them. Craig
Re: [MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good?
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:21:07 -0400 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Need oil and air filters for my Nissan truck, thought I'd give Rusty the order (at buyasianparts.com) since I don't like buying Fram or other generics at the local shops. Several filters listed, Denso being one, also NPN. Any suggestions? Call Rusty and ask. Craig
Re: [MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good?
I agree, Rusty won't steer you wrong. A also won't use Fram after buying a filter for my (82 or 83) Mercedes diesel. I pulled it out of the box both the top bottom element were pleated. Not only would this filter not provide the proper filtering because what was supposed to be mat filtering was pleated, Putting pleated filter media in the bypass (mat) section offers much less resistance will make your idle oil pressure much lower! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good? On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:21:07 -0400 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Need oil and air filters for my Nissan truck, thought I'd give Rusty the order (at buyasianparts.com) since I don't like buying Fram or other generics at the local shops. Several filters listed, Denso being one, also NPN. Any suggestions? Call Rusty and ask. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart?
Reminds me of an early Porsche 914 - and my '51 VW. On 3/26/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that the new Smart is out, the comparisons to the old one are in print. I liked the one comparing the shift feel to a big rubber band with knots in it. Pretty much true of any car with cables instead of a proper (i.e. non-flexible) linkage between the shift lever and the gears, in my experience. Toyota MR2, for example. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
I think many people think of a car as being old once they buy one or two parts, and the cost of those parts is greater than the value of the car. :-) I've driven lots of older cars as daily drivers. People will often say they can not drive an old car as they couldn't trust it. I ask them, when they last went on holiday, how old did they think the plane was they flew at 40,000 feet in, over sea or ocean. :-) hee hee. Ed On 26/03/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/26/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Find a local shop with old school guys working there. Dealerships typically use FNG's because their cheap. But they're also clueless. FNGs? It's hard to get my head around the idea of a 140 being a car that only old school guys would know how to fix, but I guess I have a distorted perspective. I am regularly surprised that normal people (not car geeks) think of a car from the '90s as ready for the junk yard (as opposed to practically brand new) and that one from the '80s might as well be a Model T as far as its suitability as a daily driver. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cables no good?
Pretty much true of any car with cables instead of a proper (i.e. non-flexible) linkage between the shift lever and the gears, in my experience. Toyota MR2, for example. Pretty clear you have never driven a Boxster. RLE ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] Cables no good?
I agree, a properly designed cable shift system works great. Also, a proper (i.e. non-flexible) linkage between the shift lever and the gears system can get pretty sloppy once the pivot points wear a little. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:28 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cables no good? Pretty much true of any car with cables instead of a proper (i.e. non-flexible) linkage between the shift lever and the gears, in my experience. Toyota MR2, for example. Pretty clear you have never driven a Boxster. RLE ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good?
Tom Hargrave wrote: A also won't use Fram after buying a filter for my (82 or 83) Mercedes diesel. I pulled it out of the box both the top bottom element were pleated. Not only would this filter not provide the proper filtering because what was supposed to be mat filtering was pleated, Putting pleated filter media in the bypass (mat) section offers much less resistance will make your idle oil pressure much lower! It won't lower your oil pressure because there is a restriction limiting the flow through the bypass section. I think its the hole at the top of the filter housing lid... That said, I won't buy Fram after reading about their PH8A and the bad checkvalve thing... John '79 300SD
Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
In a message dated 3/26/2007 6:34:22 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to replace the compressor on my CD and will switch to R134 at the sametime. Are there other things (sensor/pressure switches) that need to be replaced also? TIA all. Luther, IF you go to 134 (not recommended by me) you should flush out all the mineral oil, and change the rubber hoses, both hi and low side. The permeability of rubber hoses gets worse the older they get, and 134 will leak out of a hose quicker than 12. You already mentioned you will be changing the compressor and the drier/receiver. The new hoses will have a teflon lining to increase their leak resistance, which will be fine for R12 and/or it's substitutes.too. leaving any mineral oil in a system changed to R134 is asking for trouble, does black death get your attention? Given the fixed specs of your system, R134 will be from 12 to 20% less efficient, especially on hot days, when you need it most. Where you live, can you give up that performance. Let's hear from a successful R134 convert. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles ( still on R12) 98 ML 320, 147 K miles (designed for 134 use) ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
R134a and mineral oil are compatible, the issue is that the oil is not transported through the system with 134a. This is why you have to add PAG oil or Ester oil to the system. The black death mentioned by Jim is caused by the very high hygroscopic nature of PAG oil. You must change out the receiver dryer completely vacuum your system before adding PAG oil. I've converted quite a few to 134a and have had no problems. But I always change out the receiver dryer and I always pull hold a vacuum for at least 2 hours on a hot day. I've also converted a few to freeze and have always had problems later. The issue is that freeze depends on a balance of two gasses if the balance gets off by more than a percent or so, it looses its refrigeration properties. One of the gasses is a much smaller molecule size than the other it leaks out faster (all auto AC systems leak). Once you leak enough to get out of balance, you have to completely evacuate the system recharge. Freeze is also very flammable! R134a is not. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:00 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion In a message dated 3/26/2007 6:34:22 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to replace the compressor on my CD and will switch to R134 at the sametime. Are there other things (sensor/pressure switches) that need to be replaced also? TIA all. Luther, IF you go to 134 (not recommended by me) you should flush out all the mineral oil, and change the rubber hoses, both hi and low side. The permeability of rubber hoses gets worse the older they get, and 134 will leak out of a hose quicker than 12. You already mentioned you will be changing the compressor and the drier/receiver. The new hoses will have a teflon lining to increase their leak resistance, which will be fine for R12 and/or it's substitutes.too. leaving any mineral oil in a system changed to R134 is asking for trouble, does black death get your attention? Given the fixed specs of your system, R134 will be from 12 to 20% less efficient, especially on hot days, when you need it most. Where you live, can you give up that performance. Let's hear from a successful R134 convert. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles ( still on R12) 98 ML 320, 147 K miles (designed for 134 use) ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good?
Fram is a bad example of good marketing. But then so are most consumer products... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good? Tom Hargrave wrote: A also won't use Fram after buying a filter for my (82 or 83) Mercedes diesel. I pulled it out of the box both the top bottom element were pleated. Not only would this filter not provide the proper filtering because what was supposed to be mat filtering was pleated, Putting pleated filter media in the bypass (mat) section offers much less resistance will make your idle oil pressure much lower! It won't lower your oil pressure because there is a restriction limiting the flow through the bypass section. I think its the hole at the top of the filter housing lid... That said, I won't buy Fram after reading about their PH8A and the bad checkvalve thing... John '79 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
Freeze is also very flammable! R134a is not. Not nearly so flammable as gasoline, a substance that doesn't seem to scare most drivers. I vote for anything but R134a, in systems not originally designed for it. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
Those are quite manageable and relatively inexpensive fixes (e.g., monovalve for the hot air). How much did they want for it? 116's don't have monovalves. They have the Evil Chrysler ACC servo system. Va$tly different implications. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
Jim, Gasoline is not intentionally brought into the cabin of a car a gas fire will almost always start under the hood, giving you plenty of time to escape. Unless you drive a 1974 Pinto, you smoke are rear ended by a Gremlin... One failure point, requiring me to remove rebuild 2 high pressure hoses was the bend just before the expansion valve. Both failures dumped Freon into the cabin of the car. I could smell the Freon rolled down the window in my 300SD. My son's 280E suffered the same fate. He did not smell anything but it could have leaked out overnight. I don't smoke but if I did smoke with Freeze in the system? Possibly - Boom! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:35 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion Freeze is also very flammable! R134a is not. Not nearly so flammable as gasoline, a substance that doesn't seem to scare most drivers. I vote for anything but R134a, in systems not originally designed for it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
Unless it's been replaced by one with an aluminum housing. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:35 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL Those are quite manageable and relatively inexpensive fixes (e.g., monovalve for the hot air). How much did they want for it? 116's don't have monovalves. They have the Evil Chrysler ACC servo system. Va$tly different implications. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:41 PM To: Weekly Highway Diesel Prices Subject: Today's Diesel Prices ** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a non-proportional font, e.g. courier) ** On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp Average All Types US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATE AVGCOAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADDPADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 070326 2.676 2.657 2.713 2.711 2.630 2.655 2.643 2.780 2.803 2.869 070319 2.681 2.661 2.722 2.719 2.631 2.666 2.640 2.765 2.813 2.875 070312 2.685 2.669 2.730 2.719 2.643 2.673 2.644 2.736 2.811 2.899 070305 2.626 2.604 2.693 2.668 2.568 2.606 2.587 2.658 2.795 2.897 070226 2.551 2.526 2.650 2.598 2.483 2.523 2.497 2.568 2.790 2.911 070219 2.491 2.479 2.636 2.581 2.421 2.444 2.418 2.517 2.784 2.901 070212 2.476 2.465 2.625 2.564 2.408 2.429 2.394 2.517 2.777 2.905 070205 2.435 2.433 2.593 2.527 2.378 2.377 2.360 2.523 2.720 2.825 070129 2.413 2.406 2.570 2.508 2.347 2.349 2.347 2.556 2.687 2.761 070122 2.430 2.421 2.582 2.525 2.361 2.371 2.361 2.586 2.695 2.742 070115 2.463 2.437 2.622 2.559 2.368 2.408 2.391 2.625 2.749 2.773 070108 2.537 2.520 2.672 2.633 2.458 2.483 2.459 2.682 2.824 2.856 070101 2.580 2.565 2.710 2.681 2.503 2.534 2.500 2.697 2.853 2.883 061225 2.596 2.587 2.737 2.710 2.520 2.550 2.514 2.713 2.856 2.885 061218 2.606 2.599 2.730 2.722 2.535 2.555 2.519 2.716 2.887 2.917 061211 2.621 2.610 2.749 2.730 2.546 2.563 2.540 2.724 2.931 2.963 061204 2.618 2.610 2.716 2.717 2.555 2.578 2.537 2.707 2.860 2.860 061127 2.567 2.537 2.634 2.652 2.479 2.554 2.490 2.680 2.760 2.710 061120 2.553 2.521 2.625 2.638 2.461 2.554 2.469 2.647 2.724 2.690 061113 2.552 2.530 2.616 2.643 2.473 2.562 2.470 2.623 2.673 2.677 061106 2.506 2.508 2.613 2.628 2.448 2.493 2.449 2.577 2.606 2.637 061030 2.517 2.530 2.629 2.646 2.472 2.501 2.462 2.577 2.602 2.645 061023 2.524 2.537 2.636 2.651 2.480 2.502 2.477 2.563 2.628 2.669 061016 2.503 2.521 2.623 2.636 2.462 2.459 2.461 2.539 2.655 2.703 061009 2.506 2.533 2.649 2.654 2.471 2.448 2.446 2.584 2.697 2.751 061002 2.546 2.567 2.678 2.694 2.503 2.467 2.490 2.679 2.789 2.835 060925 2.595 2.600 2.730 2.746 2.526 2.506 2.526 2.827 2.892 2.910 060918 2.713 2.699 2.832 2.844 2.625 2.624 2.636 3.052 3.014 3.002 060911 2.857 2.826 2.955 2.958 2.757 2.787 2.770 3.236 3.137 3.125 060904 2.967 2.911 3.009 3.032 2.850 2.937 2.872 3.318 3.199 3.175 060828 3.027 2.955 3.035 3.074 2.897 3.026 2.923 3.346 3.229 3.200 060821 3.033 2.953 3.049 3.078 2.890 3.041 2.923 3.349 3.237 3.221 060814 3.065 3.017 3.077 3.130 2.964 3.065 2.974 3.311 3.218 3.220 060807 3.055 3.026 3.061 3.104 2.989 3.070 2.988 3.208 3.113 3.130 060731 2.980 2.958 2.991 3.030 2.924 2.988 2.925 3.052 3.066 3.093 060724 2.946 2.925 2.972 3.002 2.888 2.951 2.895 2.987 3.047 3.097 060717 2.926 2.906 2.970 2.992 2.864 2.927 2.868 2.960 3.051 3.097 060710 2.918 2.887 2.947 2.963 2.849 2.919 2.866 2.966 3.060 3.113 060703 2.898 2.874 2.948 2.951 2.834 2.887 2.845 2.958 3.056 3.119 060626 2.867 2.864 2.952 2.956 2.816 2.819 2.822 2.960 3.068 3.140 060619 2.915 2.907 2.960 2.990 2.867 2.873 2.859 3.018 3.117 3.185 060612 2.918 2.909 2.979 2.997 2.866 2.874 2.848
Re: [MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good?
Denso filters will be good quality as they are a Japanese OEM supplier. They were spun off from Toyota many years ago and may be still part of the umbrella group. Full name is Nippondenso and they make paerts for Toyota, Honda, Nissan and possibly Mazda and Suzuki. Jeff Zedic ex Toyota Guru
Re: [MBZ] Smart?
There are a couple of clips of Smart car collsion tests floating around on the net. Pretty robust car in a collision. Here's a Smart hiring an S-Class http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdEWLnAQr0 And here's it hitting an E-Class and a brick wall head on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdEWLnAQr0 Jeff Zedic
Re: [MBZ] Smart?
That should have read, HITTING an S-Class...too early
Re: [MBZ] 96 E320
I think the biodegradeable harness and evap problems ended with the 1995 model year. All I've heard against the newer models is rust... Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 3/26/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Potter wrote: I am going to look at a 1996 E320 that is for sale locally. It has the I6 DOHC engine. It looks nice from the pictures. Please give me your opinions on this model, as I have no experience with it. There are others on the list that have more knowledge about these cars. But, I will throw in my .2. These cars have some fairly consistent corrosion problems. Look at the front shock towers - I think a lot of them rust out and the nothing holds the shock in place. I think this is also included in the line of cars that has the biodegradable wiring harness - I have heard that is an expensive repair. I think the engines are great and return some fairly spectacular mileage. I don't recall whether these cars have the evap/ac problem also or if that is just the latest model 124s and 140s Despite all these problems, I think the owners of them are very happy with them. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 136K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320
Re: [MBZ] Smart?
Excellent example of elastic momentum transfer there. I think I would rather be in the S. --R Jeff Zedic wrote: There are a couple of clips of Smart car collsion tests floating around on the net. Pretty robust car in a collision. Here's a Smart hiring an S-Class http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdEWLnAQr0 And here's it hitting an E-Class and a brick wall head on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdEWLnAQr0 Jeff Zedic
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those are quite manageable and relatively inexpensive fixes (e.g., monovalve for the hot air). How much did they want for it? As I recall they were in the $9,000 neighborhood originally. We got down to around $7,500 which was still more than I wanted to pay. They eventually sold it to someone else who had more $$ than sense. No matter how nice it was, it was still a 25 year old car. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's hard to get my head around the idea of a 140 being a car that only old school guys would know how to fix, but I guess I have a distorted perspective. I am regularly surprised that normal people (not car geeks) think of a car from the '90s as ready for the junk yard (as opposed to practically brand new) and that one from the '80s might as well be a Model T as far as its suitability as a daily driver. YEah I get frequent looks of astonishment when I tell people that my daily driver is almost 25 years old. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
[MBZ] Win some, lose some...
Changed the oil on the 190D on Saturday, I love 10,000 mile oil changes... Decided to change the fuel filter at the same time, what a PITA on a 190D, bet its worse on the 5 cyl 190s though. Didn't hold the throttle when I started the car, it fired right up but quit quick. It took quite a bit of cranking to get it to go again. Put in a new driver's door panel (Thanks Fred!) which has cured the car from randomly locking the doors. Then I thought I'd take a look at the clicking window regulator in the driver's door. BIG MISTAKE, the inner workings of the window motor etc are still a mystery to me. In fact all I managed was to take a window that just made noise when it was all the way up to where it makes noise all the time its going up AND doesn't go all the way up without help. Ahh well, I'm going to Las Vegas for work in April, my Indy can take care of it. Still looking for the valve that raises idle when its cold out. Found a likely looking suspect and a bad looking 90 degree adapter which I replaced but no benefit. Some playing with the mity-vac is surely needed. I also put a full bottle of Diesel Kleen in both through the fuel filter and in the tank,.The stuff smells just like Diesel Purge and has a similar effect in quieting down the engine. Finally since snow season seems to be over I pulled the 3 extra wheels and tires from the trunk (another thanks Fred!). Hopefully the reduction in extra weight will buy me a couple points in fuel mileage... -Curt - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 27 13:23:37 2007 Received: from mail.sophiosoft.com ([207.97.195.46]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HWBeC-kh-RC for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:23:37 + Received: from DRFATTY ([72.17.141.247]) by mail.sophiosoft.com (Sophio.com Mail Server) with ASMTP id GQY31934 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:23:34 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:23:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:23:37 - I like the NPN - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Denso filters, any good? Need oil and air filters for my Nissan truck, thought I'd give Rusty the order (at buyasianparts.com) since I don't like buying Fram or other generics at the local shops. Several filters listed, Denso being one, also NPN. Any suggestions? -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] rear suspension links
Somebody had posted awhile ago about wear points in the rear of a W201 that would make the car wander, especially in high winds. My car is starting to exhibit those sympotms, it was worse when the tire pressure had gotten out of line but its still there. When I get a good crosswind the car feels like its squirming down the road. Its not bad, in fact my wife doesn't notice it but I drive the car every day and its definately getting worse over time. I've got a maintenance window coming up (ie I'm going away so my Indy can get at it) so I want to get this taken care of. I'm also going to get the A/C taken care of. 134a but I live in New England, I haven't had any A/C since I've been driving my Mercedes (so 4 years now) so anything would be an improvement. -Curt - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 27 13:29:50 2007 Received: from mxo5.broadbandsupport.net ([209.55.3.85]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HWBkE-0001JT-De for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:29:50 + Received: from [69.59.65.83] ([69.59.65.83:44221] helo=[192.168.0.159]) by mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.14.1 r(15310M)) with ESMTP id D8/86-25094-74B19064 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:25:27 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:29:44 -0500 From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:29:50 - Tom Hargrave wrote: Unless it's been replaced by one with an aluminum housing. Those still break too... you just don't get the common 'cracked housing' problem. My aluminum servo broke its water valve, which caused it to internally fill up with water and never flow hot water to the heater core. John
Re: [MBZ] 96 E320
RUST? I thought they solved that problem at least 10 years ago. On 3/27/07, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the biodegradeable harness and evap problems ended with the 1995 model year. All I've heard against the newer models is rust... Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 3/26/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Potter wrote: I am going to look at a 1996 E320 that is for sale locally. It has the I6 DOHC engine. It looks nice from the pictures. Please give me your opinions on this model, as I have no experience with it. There are others on the list that have more knowledge about these cars. But, I will throw in my .2. These cars have some fairly consistent corrosion problems. Look at the front shock towers - I think a lot of them rust out and the nothing holds the shock in place. I think this is also included in the line of cars that has the biodegradable wiring harness - I have heard that is an expensive repair. I think the engines are great and return some fairly spectacular mileage. I don't recall whether these cars have the evap/ac problem also or if that is just the latest model 124s and 140s Despite all these problems, I think the owners of them are very happy with them. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 136K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cheap Okie Wagon
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/car/301231602.html Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 27 14:28:18 2007 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HWCeo-0004tg-CN for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:28:18 + Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so1870663uge for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.173.15 with SMTP id v15mr3184828wae.1175005691036; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.235.19 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:28:10 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cables no good? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:28:18 - On 3/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty much true of any car with cables instead of a proper (i.e. non-flexible) linkage between the shift lever and the gears, in my experience. Toyota MR2, for example. Pretty clear you have never driven a Boxster. True, my experience with cars with the engine somewhere other than in front is limited to the first-generation MR2 and Fiat X1/9. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
My '82 was converted to 134a by the PO some 5 years ago. Worked well until last year. Every single o-ring is leaking. 134a attacks these over time. Most probably they were not replaced. The 124 came factory with 134a. Other than a piss-poor made evaporator that had to be replaced, I had no trouble. On 3/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/26/2007 6:34:22 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to replace the compressor on my CD and will switch to R134 at the sametime. Are there other things (sensor/pressure switches) that need to be replaced also? TIA all. Luther, IF you go to 134 (not recommended by me) you should flush out all the mineral oil, and change the rubber hoses, both hi and low side. The permeability of rubber hoses gets worse the older they get, and 134 will leak out of a hose quicker than 12. You already mentioned you will be changing the compressor and the drier/receiver. The new hoses will have a teflon lining to increase their leak resistance, which will be fine for R12 and/or it's substitutes.too. leaving any mineral oil in a system changed to R134 is asking for trouble, does black death get your attention? Given the fixed specs of your system, R134 will be from 12 to 20% less efficient, especially on hot days, when you need it most. Where you live, can you give up that performance. Let's hear from a successful R134 convert. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles ( still on R12) 98 ML 320, 147 K miles (designed for 134 use) ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery
Getting a heartbreaking hole in the seat back upholstery? Mysterious scratches on your new belt? I probed the hole with my finger and found, of course, a broken spring end. Damn! The upholstery was pretty decent for its age before this happened. (I can always get a new belt.) Time to weld! I removed the seat from the car and then took off the seatback panel. The seat back has what I would call 'ribbon' springs, versus coil or serpentine wire, and one was broken where it took the sharp bend from the rear of the frame to mate with the main ribbon that spanned the back in that area. The broken end had worked its way past the main ribbon and dug a hole through everything. Fortunately it was able to wedge into its proper place due to the location of the break, so I didn't have to rig anything to hold it in place. I used the wire-feed welder to weld the broken spring ends back together. As is usual, I don't trust a welded spring to hold, the welding heat ruins the temper. So I got a strip of scrap mild steel and bent it around the joint, then tacked it together. If the spring breaks again right there that should hold things together enough to keep the broken end from going on another journey of discovery. (Ouch!) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My '82 was converted to 134a by the PO some 5 years ago. Worked well until last year. Every single o-ring is leaking. 134a attacks these over time. Most probably they were not replaced. The 124 came factory with 134a. Other than a piss-poor made evaporator that had to be replaced, I had no trouble. I think that's what's happened to mine. Is there a good howto guide for replacing hoses/o-rings etc. I've never done any AC work beyond dumping in a recharge with one of those little McParts kits. I'd like to flush everything out and go back to R12. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
Alex wrote:hard to get my head around the idea of a 140 being a car that only old school guys would know how to fix Hi Alex, I fear we are being rapidly left behind as technology marches forward. The 140 is now 10-15 years old and for someone to have been trained to work on it means the techicians have been in the shop for 20+ years so they'd have a little residence time before being trained on the Monarch of Mercedes. MB would have trained the most experienced technicians to work on those very expensive models. So, at this point, those technicians will have been working as technicians for 30-45 years making them 50-65 years old presently - hence the old school guys comment. The young wippersnappers won't know what a W140 looks like unfortunately. Plus its electronic controls - state of the art back in the 90s is archaeic now. And time marches on - ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 ?? On 3/26/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Find a local shop with old school guys working there. Dealerships typically use FNG's because their cheap. But they're also clueless. FNGs? It's hard to get my head around the idea of a 140 being a car that only old school guys would know how to fix, but I guess I have a distorted perspective. I am regularly surprised that normal people (not car geeks) think of a car from the '90s as ready for the junk yard (as opposed to practically brand new) and that one from the '80s might as well be a Model T as far as its suitability as a daily driver. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 3/26/2007 2:31 PM
Re: [MBZ] 96 E320
Rust was definately a problem on 2000 model year S class' - I know a guy who bought a new '00 S430 which had the paint fall off the lower panels in sheets. Rockers, doors, fenders, quarter panels - and MB would not agree to repair any of it. A law suit was being prepared last we talked. He bought it new and it was never in an accident or even parked outside - it was always garaged. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 96 E320 RUST? I thought they solved that problem at least 10 years ago. On 3/27/07, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the biodegradeable harness and evap problems ended with the 1995 model year. All I've heard against the newer models is rust... Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 3/26/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Potter wrote: I am going to look at a 1996 E320 that is for sale locally. It has the I6 DOHC engine. It looks nice from the pictures. Please give me your opinions on this model, as I have no experience with it. There are others on the list that have more knowledge about these cars. But, I will throw in my .2. These cars have some fairly consistent corrosion problems. Look at the front shock towers - I think a lot of them rust out and the nothing holds the shock in place. I think this is also included in the line of cars that has the biodegradable wiring harness - I have heard that is an expensive repair. I think the engines are great and return some fairly spectacular mileage. I don't recall whether these cars have the evap/ac problem also or if that is just the latest model 124s and 140s Despite all these problems, I think the owners of them are very happy with them. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 136K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 3/26/2007 2:31 PM
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery
Yesterday I got in the car to go home from work, hit the key and nothing. No alternator light, no glow plug action, no cranking. Dead as a stone. Crap. I popped the hood and found that the positive battery cable had come loose, probably going over the speed bump just before I parked. (The clock had stopped at about the time I'd gotten to work.) Due to the way things are laid out there's a bit of tension on that cable that encourages such misbehavior. I got the wrenches out of the trunk and put the cable back. After that no problem, things were back to normal. Good thing this wasn't my wife's car! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] rear suspension links
You need new links in the suspension. Have the subframe mounts checked too -- they sometimes go bad by now (they will eventually die, they are rubber!). AC problem is hopefully just bad o-rings on the piping manifold and not a cracked evaporator or split line, those are . Peter -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 27, 2007 8:24 AM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] rear suspension links Somebody had posted awhile ago about wear points in the rear of a W201 that would make the car wander, especially in high winds. My car is starting to exhibit those sympotms, it was worse when the tire pressure had gotten out of line but its still there. When I get a good crosswind the car feels like its squirming down the road. Its not bad, in fact my wife doesn't notice it but I drive the car every day and its definately getting worse over time. I've got a maintenance window coming up (ie I'm going away so my Indy can get at it) so I want to get this taken care of. I'm also going to get the A/C taken care of. 134a but I live in New England, I haven't had any A/C since I've been driving my Mercedes (so 4 years now) so anything would be an improvement. -Curt - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 R134 conversion
I had the AC compressor on my '84 300D replaced in '98 and, as far as I know, all that was done was that the system was flushed and R134A added. Other than nedding to get a fillup every 2-3 years (Note: The car would sit idle in the garage in the winter), and the fact that R134A indeed is less efficient than R12 so things don't cool very well unless there's a full charge (Note: There probably isn't as much of an AC need in Rochester, NY as elsewhere). But when there's a full charge of R134A in my 300D, I've driven to NC in July without any problems, but of course I'm not one who likes the (GM) ice cold either. G. M. Brown Rochester, NY
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
On 3/27/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex wrote:hard to get my head around the idea of a 140 being a car that only old school guys would know how to fix Hi Alex, I fear we are being rapidly left behind as technology marches forward. The 140 is now 10-15 years old and for someone to have been trained to work on it means the techicians have been in the shop for 20+ years so they'd have a little residence time before being trained on the Monarch of Mercedes. MB would have trained the most experienced technicians to work on those very expensive models. So, at this point, those technicians will have been working as technicians for 30-45 years making them 50-65 years old presently - hence the old school guys comment. That makes sense, and makes me feel even more lucky to have a good indy to go to. The shop foreman is in his 70s, and most of the techs look to be in their 40s and 50s. Most of the cars I see in there are 123s, 126s, and 124s, too. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery
On 3/27/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I got in the car to go home from work, hit the key and nothing. No alternator light, no glow plug action, no cranking. Dead as a stone. Crap. I popped the hood and found that the positive battery cable had come loose, probably going over the speed bump just before I parked. At least you didn't jump it, drive it around, and then waste hours trying to figure out why the battery wouldn't take a charge. (BTDT.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery
That ground strap down to the tranny on the 123 causes head-scratch problems too if it comes just loose enough -- and it is not real easy to see. --R Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 3/27/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I got in the car to go home from work, hit the key and nothing. No alternator light, no glow plug action, no cranking. Dead as a stone. Crap. I popped the hood and found that the positive battery cable had come loose, probably going over the speed bump just before I parked. At least you didn't jump it, drive it around, and then waste hours trying to figure out why the battery wouldn't take a charge. (BTDT.) Alex Chamberlain
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
On 3/26/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Love the looks of the 116. Me too! The one time I tried to drive one (an '80 300SD), though, I couldn't get my feet onto the pedals with enough room to move them around easily, which seemed like a deal-breaking safety issue. Some kind of panel under the dash took up the space where my right toes should have been when going from accelerator to brake and vice versa. Only car I've ever had that problem with. Very disappointing. I know I have big feet, but they're not THAT big. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
[MBZ] VIN / Carfax
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Re: [MBZ] 96 E320
My experience has been that they solved it over 20 years ago, but broke it 8 years ago. I have no doubt that my 99E300 will be rusted away long before the 87SDL. The E300 came from Dallas, the SDL came from Cincinnati. Go figure. -Dave Walton 82 240D, 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 3/27/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RUST? I thought they solved that problem at least 10 years ago. On 3/27/07, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the biodegradeable harness and evap problems ended with the 1995 model year. All I've heard against the newer models is rust... Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 3/26/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Potter wrote: I am going to look at a 1996 E320 that is for sale locally. It has the I6 DOHC engine. It looks nice from the pictures. Please give me your opinions on this model, as I have no experience with it. There are others on the list that have more knowledge about these cars. But, I will throw in my .2. These cars have some fairly consistent corrosion problems. Look at the front shock towers - I think a lot of them rust out and the nothing holds the shock in place. I think this is also included in the line of cars that has the biodegradable wiring harness - I have heard that is an expensive repair. I think the engines are great and return some fairly spectacular mileage. I don't recall whether these cars have the evap/ac problem also or if that is just the latest model 124s and 140s Despite all these problems, I think the owners of them are very happy with them. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 136K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
Wasn't the 6.3 faster than the 6.9? I'm guessing they mean fastest production sedan for the time. Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL Those are quite manageable and relatively inexpensive fixes (e.g., monovalve for the hot air). How much did they want for it? On 3/26/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the only 116 I lusted for is a 6.9 Worlds fastest production sedan! Yhoo! There was a '79 300SD here a while ago, only 70,000 miles, nearly perfect cosmetically, but the ACC blew hot air on full blast all the time, tach was dead, and some other minor issues. I tried to buy it (was on a new car dealer's used lot) and could not get the price I wanted. But it was a very nice car, drove great. I like the 116 styling a lot, myself. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
For 16 years, my '80 300SD took all that I could dish out! Sold last June w/347,000 trouble free miles, for the most part! The secret - regular preventive maintenance! No problems w/my 11 1/2 EEE feet, but I left foot brake. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 3/26/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Love the looks of the 116. Me too! The one time I tried to drive one (an '80 300SD), though, I couldn't get my feet onto the pedals with enough room to move them around easily, which seemed like a deal-breaking safety issue. Some kind of panel under the dash took up the space where my right toes should have been when going from accelerator to brake and vice versa. Only car I've ever had that problem with. Very disappointing. I know I have big feet, but they're not THAT big. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery
you wrote:Good thing this wasn't my wife's car! Wife's don't like that kind of thing - must be a universal thing. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery Yesterday I got in the car to go home from work, hit the key and nothing. No alternator light, no glow plug action, no cranking. Dead as a stone. Crap. I popped the hood and found that the positive battery cable had come loose, probably going over the speed bump just before I parked. (The clock had stopped at about the time I'd gotten to work.) Due to the way things are laid out there's a bit of tension on that cable that encourages such misbehavior. I got the wrenches out of the trunk and put the cable back. After that no problem, things were back to normal. Good thing this wasn't my wife's car! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 3/26/2007 2:31 PM
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
Harry, According to Nitske's book: 6.3 - 0-100km, 6.5 sec, Max speed - 137 mph, Weight - 3828 lbs. 6.9 - 0-100km, 7.4 sec, Max speed - 140 mph, Weight - 4257 lbs., - 1979 US model, 4435 lbs. HTH, Take care, Chuck Phoenix, AZ On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't the 6.3 faster than the 6.9? I'm guessing they mean fastest production sedan for the time. Harry
[MBZ] Help with CDs and DVDs - NFC, NPC, NMC -- No Ferrari Content -- No Porsche Content --- No Mercedes Content
Howdy Ya'll, I have a ton of CD's and DVD's that are becoming increasingly difficult to manage. Finding stuff I know is here for example. Has anyone found a good storage tower or other device to make managing them easier? I have my software CDs in a photo-album like book but there's many more. Especially ones I burn myself. Any ideas? TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Larry Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] More money than brains! Another destroyed Enzo Hey David: The phrase 'Baja Arizona' is registered in my name. Please send $5.00 usd (cash, check or money order) to: Ferrari Bubba P.O. Box (Hell, there's only 1) East Jesus, Arkansas. Thanks in advance, yer Hillbilly-American pal Ferrari Bubba -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] More money than brains! Another destroyed Enzo I'll bet Little Ricky's dad could fix it ;-) (sorry, just couldn't resist) David still living in Baja Arizona On Mar 27, 2007, at 4:27 AM, jim wrote: Stupid, stupid, stupid! http://cbs2.com/video/[EMAIL PROTECTED] JIM _ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/svinvest% 40mindspring.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper _ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/red5hilser%40aol.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/l02turner%40comcast.net Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 3/26/2007 2:31 PM
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
I think you're right about for the time. What did it do, 145-150 mph or something? That was pretty good as V8 Ferrari would be pushed hard to do that, and a porsche 930 was only a tick faster. Today, many sedans have to be chained down to keep them at 155 mph, though I hear Mercedes and BMW may be lifting the limiters to keep up with other luxo brands. I think in Germany, on some AMGs you can already order an optional limiter that raises the limit to 300kph over the current 250kph limit. Even at 300, I'm pretty sure they're holding some models back. Ed On 27/03/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't the 6.3 faster than the 6.9? I'm guessing they mean fastest production sedan for the time. Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL Those are quite manageable and relatively inexpensive fixes (e.g., monovalve for the hot air). How much did they want for it? On 3/26/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the only 116 I lusted for is a 6.9 Worlds fastest production sedan! Yhoo! There was a '79 300SD here a while ago, only 70,000 miles, nearly perfect cosmetically, but the ACC blew hot air on full blast all the time, tach was dead, and some other minor issues. I tried to buy it (was on a new car dealer's used lot) and could not get the price I wanted. But it was a very nice car, drove great. I like the 116 styling a lot, myself. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] way OT: finding a wife
Way OT question - when and how did you all meet your spouses? My parents were arranged and are trying to get me to do the same, with the rationale Well, you're 27 and haven't found a girl yet; let us give it a shot. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife
I found wife #1 sitting behind me in History class the freshman year of college, 1970. I found wife #2 in an Internet chat room, 1995. Guess which one is er, ... umm ... more fun? On 3/27/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way OT question - when and how did you all meet your spouses? My parents were arranged and are trying to get me to do the same, with the rationale Well, you're 27 and haven't found a girl yet; let us give it a shot. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
Re: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife
But but but... they don't need spouses !! They already have one. Richard --- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way OT question - when and how did you all meet your spouses? My parents were arranged and are trying to get me to do the same, with the rationale Well, you're 27 and haven't found a girl yet; let us give it a shot. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife
To answer your question, I met my wife on the schoolbus way back when we were in highschool. We dated for about 4.5 years and were married young. I was 21 and she was 18. We will have been married 34 years in August of this year. Let me offer some advice - worth what you will pay for it perhaps - but here goes in any event. It is not going to get any easier to find the right girl. As we get older we bring along more baggage. So, if you are determined to be married, get on with it. I guess the other side of the coin is that marriage does not suit everyone and it may not be the end of the world if you remain a bachelor. We have a friend who is now 80 and has never been married. He seems to be a happy sort and gets along quite well. He lives amid a mess and is often rather unkempt looking but that is just part of his charm. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife Way OT question - when and how did you all meet your spouses? My parents were arranged and are trying to get me to do the same, with the rationale Well, you're 27 and haven't found a girl yet; let us give it a shot. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery
You are right about that last bit. My good wife complains bitterly about her car. She complained so about the previous car, a Mercury Sable that I traded it for a Toyota Avalon at significant loss given it was not all that old and had few miles on it. She has had no better time with the Toyota. She thinks cars should be perfect and never cause any issues. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery Yesterday I got in the car to go home from work, hit the key and nothing. No alternator light, no glow plug action, no cranking. Dead as a stone. Crap. I popped the hood and found that the positive battery cable had come loose, probably going over the speed bump just before I parked. (The clock had stopped at about the time I'd gotten to work.) Due to the way things are laid out there's a bit of tension on that cable that encourages such misbehavior. I got the wrenches out of the trunk and put the cable back. After that no problem, things were back to normal. Good thing this wasn't my wife's car! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery
R A Bennell wrote: My good wife complains bitterly about her car. What's your bad wife do? She thinks cars should be perfect and never cause any issues. Tell her you want a wife that's perfect and never causes issues. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife
on 3/27/07 14:30, Sunil Hari at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way OT question - when and how did you all meet your spouses? My parents were arranged and are trying to get me to do the same, with the rationale Well, you're 27 and haven't found a girl yet; let us give it a shot. Speaking as an Aging Bachelor (48 this year), I don't necessarily agree that being single at 27 is an automatic cause for concern, it's all relative to your life goals. HOWEVER, I say that with the caveat that I at your age, while I wanted to get married, got a TON of bad advice from both my contemporaries and older men, to relax and not take the whole thing seriously (women are like trains and all that crap). Problem is you may find you suddenly don't like any of the trains, and you realize you let a couple of nice trains go right through the station years before. So my advice is to not worry but instead play hard, not in terms of bars and so on, but in any way that provides opportunities to meet potentially compatible women. Night classes, outdoors, volunteer. You may not actually meet a person directly that way, but you will meet women and women have a tendency to assist fate when they see an opportunity (friends of friends, etc.). Actually, just getting out there is the best strategy. A friend of mine does the speed dating thing from time to time and rather likes it. Arranged? A bit retrograde but given the divorce rate overall, it's no worse than any other strategy I guess. Mac
Re: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife
Known mine since grade schoolone of those kind of deals where she was just always around and then one day I noticed she was in spec. The rest, they say, is history. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 169K '87 Acura Legend 183K Goodyear, AZ - Original Message - From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife Way OT question - when and how did you all meet your spouses? My parents were arranged and are trying to get me to do the same, with the rationale Well, you're 27 and haven't found a girl yet; let us give it a shot. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife
Hopefully #1 one was in the history books before #2 was found... Bob R - Original Message - From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife I found wife #1 sitting behind me in History class the freshman year of college, 1970. I found wife #2 in an Internet chat room, 1995. Guess which one is er, ... umm ... more fun? On 3/27/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way OT question - when and how did you all meet your spouses? My parents were arranged and are trying to get me to do the same, with the rationale Well, you're 27 and haven't found a girl yet; let us give it a shot. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] way OT: finding a wife
Cooking classes. When I was 20something I took some Chinese cooking classes in Cambridge, MA. I was the only guy in them, except for one who signed up with his girlfriend so they could both get out of the house together (from the spouses). They soon disappeared, so me and several girls. Not only did I learn how to cook Chinese food (from a Polish Jew, go figure, who took Asian studies at Hahvahd and lived in China for awhile) who was also kinda hot and somewhat interested, it kept my social life going for a few years -- I would go to parties with one girl or another, meet others too. I got considerable interest from the women in the classes (I ended up taking 3 I think, over a year or so), who appeared to have signed up to meet guys. Some good times, in the classes and out. Going out after for a pop was always fun too, me and 3 or 4 girls (including one or two who were married but drank double and acted single). I think all of them were professional types, educated, and mostly very nice and fun. One of them I got fairly friendly with was truly a psycho, but she was wicked smart, attractive, and also quite nice (she would tell me about these bizarre things her roommate did, then I found out she had no roommate, she was talking about herself in a way her shrink told her to talk to me about these things to get a gauge on my acceptance... oh well). She was a lead-in though to another girl who was, um, very much fun to be with, nudge nudge wink wink say no more, who turned out to be TOO much fun to be with, and required more, lots more, fun than I was able to provide given some geographic constraints). I worked with my wife, but the Chinese food was a big plus in the early stages. No other straight guy could cook like I could. Or you could tell your parents you're gay, they would likely drop dead, then you wouldn't have to worry about it any more. --R
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery
I think it is way too late to start thinking about a different model. This one has just become too comfortable - like my old 300D. Not the newest and most stylish but just keeps pluggin away. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 3:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery R A Bennell wrote: My good wife complains bitterly about her car. What's your bad wife do? She thinks cars should be perfect and never cause any issues. Tell her you want a wife that's perfect and never causes issues. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Think I found one, what should I pay??
Hey Everyone, Just when I was about to give up, a car fell in my lap. Want you thoughts. It's a gaser. '88 with a whopping 320,000 kms on it. Very very clean, no rust or repaint, interior mint, one owner. Feels like some of the rubber bits in the suspension could do with a little work. Starts right up, and runs quiet. Book stamped until they ran out of room 9 years ago. Asking $4300 Canadian. I think that's about $3500-3600 US? Is the guy in the ballpark with the price? Oh, comes with winter rims, minus tires too. Thanks for your thougths. Ed soon to be a benz owner I think. Hee hee!! :-)
Re: [MBZ] Think I found one, what should I pay??
Ed, An '88 What? Good luck and hope it's all you want it to be Chuck Phoenix AZ On Mar 27, 2007, at 3:19 PM, E M wrote: Hey Everyone, Just when I was about to give up, a car fell in my lap. Want you thoughts. It's a gaser. '88 with a whopping 320,000 kms on it. Very very clean, no rust or repaint, interior mint, one owner. Feels like some of the rubber bits in the suspension could do with a little work. Starts right up, and runs quiet. Book stamped until they ran out of room 9 years ago. Asking $4300 Canadian. I think that's about $3500-3600 US? Is the guy in the ballpark with the price? Oh, comes with winter rims, minus tires too. Thanks for your thougths. Ed soon to be a benz owner I think. Hee hee!! :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] way OT: finding a wife
Sunil wrote: Way OT question - when and how did you all meet your spouses? My parents were arranged and are trying to get me to do the same, with the rationale Well, you're 27 and haven't found a girl yet; let us give it a shot. First of all, 27 IS STILL VERY young. No hurry getting married. To answer your question. My wife was my ex-girlfriends roommate. I peformed the first and only successful roommate switch. (Seinfeld fans will know what I am talking about). I date her roommate for about a year. We broke up and I started dating my wife. It was weird at first, then the ex-turned crazy and it got weirder and now I have been married to the good one of the two for almost 9 years. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me.
Re: [MBZ] Think I found one, what should I pay??
Thanks Chuck, Oops, forgot in my excitment. :-) 300E sedan. Ed On 27/03/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, An '88 What? Good luck and hope it's all you want it to be Chuck Phoenix AZ On Mar 27, 2007, at 3:19 PM, E M wrote: Hey Everyone, Just when I was about to give up, a car fell in my lap. Want you thoughts. It's a gaser. '88 with a whopping 320,000 kms on it. Very very clean, no rust or repaint, interior mint, one owner. Feels like some of the rubber bits in the suspension could do with a little work. Starts right up, and runs quiet. Book stamped until they ran out of room 9 years ago. Asking $4300 Canadian. I think that's about $3500-3600 US? Is the guy in the ballpark with the price? Oh, comes with winter rims, minus tires too. Thanks for your thougths. Ed soon to be a benz owner I think. Hee hee!! :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
