Re: [MBZ] OT: Fledging electric car market in turmoil

[Gerry Archer]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fledging electric car market in turmoil



I don't understand the animosity of this group toward electric cars.


Don't discount the smugness factor of their proponents.  Tres irritating.


I think that the best compromise is probably technology similar to the
Volt: a series hybrid, with a simple (relatively) electric drivetrain


I do too.  The onboard charger should be a small high-speed
turbine/alternator arrangement designed for optimum efficiency
at a single load point, that gauged to best recharge the pack.
No cooling system, one moving part.  Cheap and reliable in
production quantities, and small.


[Pious] also has direct mechanical drive, engine to wheels, with no need
of the electric propulsion system.


The electric motor is also the starter, I though.  Very
important to the process!
-- Jim


Prius says that the traction battery will never be allowed to get so low
that it will not start the engine.  Under some conditions, of course, the
car could still be inoperable.  2013 Prius' with plug in charging are
available in a half dozen states with more expected to be added next year.

Have they solved the problems of building small, low cost, high-speed
turbines that were economical to operate?  Those "would" be a solution for
the pure electric vehicles when the batteries were running low.
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fledging electric car market in turmoil

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- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" 
To: "Tim C" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 


Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fledging electric car market in turmoil



Tim C  writes:


I don't understand the animosity of this group toward electric cars.


I don't speak for the group, but my problem is that their advocates
oversell their advantages (yes, they have some) and undersell their
disadvantages (they have many, and some will be difficult if not
impossible to solve in the near term).  The technology that companies
like Tesla are creating I do find fascinating and inspiring, but not
practical.

I would not have any problem at all with an electric car that I could
drive for hundreds of miles at a stretch and recharge in 5 minutes, and
was priced comparable to an internal-combustion powered car.  That would
be practical.  I can understand that some people find a short-range car
practical, but I do not, and most people do not, and that's why they are
not selling the way their manufacturers and advocates hoped.

There are no silver bullets.

I think that the best compromise is probably technology similar to the
Volt: a series hybrid, with a simple (relatively) electric drivetrain
and battery power for short range trips, backed up by an
internal-combustion genset, practical, possible, and eventually
affordable.  The price is probably the main thing holding back the Volt
right now.  That and that it's made by GM.
Allan Streib


The problem with the Volt is that it "is" a series hybrid.  If the electric 
motive power system goes bad, the gasoline engine won't propel the car. 
That may be the reason the Prius has become the most widely sold hybrid 
worldwide.  It also has direct mechanical drive, engine to wheels, with no 
need of the electric propulsion system.
Note:  This is my understanding.  I haven't studied these cars thoroughly, 
so if I am wrong please correct me.
Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fledging electric car market in turmoil

[Gerry Archer]

The problem with pure electrics may be that many people drive further on a 
given day than the battery charge will allow.
The solution?  Why not add a second battery pack to a Leaf, for example, 
which would give it a 140-150 mile range?  While charging time might be a 
problem, that could be solved if Nissan added the cost of installing a 220 
volt plug on a persons dwelling for charging, to the price of the car.  A 
battery shouldn't on average weigh more than an extra passenger in the car, 
I would guess.

Gerry

From: "Tim C" 

It's only fair to pin every oil spill on gas cars, too.
I don't understand the animosity of this group toward electric cars.  Yes,
the technology isn't for everyone, but then neither is diesel. (Arguably
they are for opposite ends of the spectrum.) Electric is more efficient
putting power to the wheels than any IC engine could hope to be. 
Batteries

are terrible, but so is hauling 6 pounds per gallon of explosives behind
the children.  And you've got hundreds fewer moving parts in an EV.  It
seems like a counter-culture group like dieselers would want to embrace 
the

technology, not shun it - at least as far as it makes cars easier to use
and maintain.

I guess I don't see why Nissan can't sell diesel coupes, electric sedans,
gas SUVs and diesel work vans, and everybody gets what they want.

BTW I saw this morning that Tesla is selling the model S faster than they
can produce it.  So, yes, that might be bad for Studebaker - oh, sorry,
Chrysler/Chevy/entrenched Detroit players - but apparently there is a lot
of money looking to buy a well-engineered electric car.  Too bad there are
so few available.

Best,
Tim
On Oct 8, 2012 8:53 PM, "ernest breakfield" 


wrote:


and that's without even getting into the issues of the toxicity of the
manufacture or disposal of the batteries, the limited opportunities for
refueling/recharging, the concerns about the ozone contribution of an
electric motor, the exposure to EMI,...
kinda' explains why the odds are so high now that the stupidest thing
you see on the road is likely to be the result of someone in a hybrid or
electric. while there's no perfect answer, some people clearly aren't
thinking this through.


cheers!
e

On 08/Oct/12 17:16, Allan Streib wrote:


"Electric vehicles don't make any more sense today than they did in

1912 ... "They take too long to charge, the range is too short and
they cost too much."


That about sums it up, for anyone who's thinking clearly.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] W123 caliper rebuild?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>


During the '60s you could buy new chrome plated pistons.  On the 110 
we replaced the pistons/seals and rubbed the cylinders with 
increasingly fine wetordry.  The calipers were fine for 100K plus 
miles until it was sold.  If new chrome pistons were available today 
I would rebuild the calipers instead of buying new calipers which 
are quite expensive.

Gerry


If they are still around, White Post restorations used to advertise 
in the Star.  He did Stainless Steel sleeves for Master cyl, brake 
Cyl and I think for calipers.  I can't remember his name.  He was an 
Enginerror with the attitude that he was holier than thou.   I am 
sure his work was good though.  I only ran into him one time at an 
MBCA national event, before he started doing the rebuilds.



He's still around.   http://www.whitepost.com/brake.html

I'll contact him when I get ready to do the brakes.
Thanks,
Gerry


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[MBZ] OT: Fledging electric car market in turmoil

[Gerry Archer]

The fledgling electric car business is in turmoil as predictions about 
potential sales have proven to be wildly optimistic despite volatile fuel 
prices and plenty of media hype.
Weak consumer demand is hitting both the big automakers like General Motors 
and Nissan - which have failed to meet sales targets on the plug-in Volt and 
all-electric Leaf - and smaller start-up firms trying to carve out a piece 
of a very small niche.
"Electric vehicles don't make any more sense today than they did in 1912," 
says Sean McAlinden, an analyst with the Center for Automotive Research in 
Ann Arbor, Michigan.


"They take too long to charge, the range is too short and they cost too 
much."
Electric cars also face stiff competition from hybrids and improved fuel 
efficiency in conventional vehicles as automakers update their fleet to meet 
tougher government standards.
Toyota recently announced plans to drastically scale back the release of its 
all-electric eQ and Honda has limited the release of its Fit EV to 1,100 US 
customers over the next two years.
The Chevy Volt - which can switch over to a regular gasoline engine once the 
battery runs out of juice - is by far the most successful electric car in 
the United States.
After a slow start, Volt sales have tripled this year with help of 
discounted leases and a decision by California to allow them in fast-moving 
carpool lanes on the state's clogged freeways.
But sales of 16,348 through September are still far short of the 45,000 
Volts that the US Department of Energy forecast in a 2011 report that GM 
could sell per year.
As fuel prices rise, consumers have been far more attracted to Toyota's 
Prius hybrid, which saw sales double this year to 183,340 vehicles.
Sales of the all-electric Leaf - which has a maximum range of 73 miles (117 
kilometers) - are down 28 percent to just 5,212 vehicles in the United 
States this year despite a major marketing push.
Nissan - which is preparing to open a new assembly for electric vehicles in 
Tennessee - is falling well short of CEO Carlos Ghosn's ambitious goal to 
double Leaf sales for fiscal 2013.
Only two years ago, the Boston Consulting Group predicted electric vehicle 
sales could reach five percent or roughly 4 million to 5 million vehicles of 
the industry's total global sales volume by 2020. Now they are saying 
electric vehicles might represent just three percent of total global sales.
While the big automakers can cushion their massive investments in electric 
vehicles with sales of conventional cars, the painfully slow growth and the 
difficulties in adapting electric technology to the tastes of modern 
motorists have posed huge challenges for startups.
Tesla Motors is falling behind in its efforts to produce a sleek new 
electric vehicle, the electric vehicle start-up company spawned by Silicon 
Valley billionaire Elon Musk acknowledged in a recent regulatory filing.
That leaves the Palo Alto, California-based company in danger of failing to 
meet the terms of a $465 million Energy Department loan.
Nonetheless, electric vehicles advocates remain upbeat and investors are not 
shying from the companies.
Tesla was able to raise $128 million by selling new shares of common stock 
and Fisker Automotive also raised $100 million in new capital last month 
despite problems with the launch of its extended range electric vehicle, the 
Karma.
Tony Posawatz, Fisker's third chief executive officer since February, 
acknowledged the company made mistakes but dismissed a crushing review by 
Consumer Reports, which described the Karma's design as flawed.
"Customers do like these cars," said Posawatz, a former GM executive who had 
been responsible for bringing the Volt to market.
Fisker has sold more than 1,000 Karmas, which cost $103,000, since the car 
went on sale last December.
Posawatz also predicted the technology for electric and extended range 
electric vehicles will catch on.
"It took 10 years, but the Prius is the best-selling vehicle in California," 
he said at a recent meeting of the Automotive Press Association in Detroit.
The company is moving ahead with plans to build its next vehicle, a sedan 
dubbed the Atlantic that will costs roughly half as much as the Karma, and 
expects to raise another $200 million in private equity funding soon.
Meanwhile, Tel Aviv-based Better Place is looking for new direction after 
replacing founder Shai Agassi with a new chief executive officer.



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Re: [MBZ] W123 caliper rebuild?

[Gerry Archer]

During the '60s you could buy new chrome plated pistons.  On the 110 we 
replaced the pistons/seals and rubbed the cylinders with increasingly fine 
wetordry.  The calipers were fine for 100K plus miles until it was sold.  If 
new chrome pistons were available today I would rebuild the calipers instead 
of buying new calipers which are quite expensive.

Gerry

From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 

I've had hit or miss success with them.  Some have lasted for years, some
leak right away.  If they're not too expensive, I like to buy new ones.
Jaime


On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:



I always feared that but the rebuilds have worked fine for me so far. At
some point, though, I'd like to rebuild one myself for purely academic
reasons:)

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 7, 2012, at 10:15 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

Consider the quality of the parts used by the cheap rebuilder if the 
price

of the OE kit is comparable!

Jaime


On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Mountain Man 
wrote:

WOW!!
A real variety of opinion on this - thanks.
Cocking the piston, grit - sounds tough but do-able for ASE mech, but
price of kit versus rebuilt from provider seems marginally better.
Nobody recommends new?  Are new from walmart, aka china?  Are rebuild
from walmart?  Any recommended rebuilders to stick to?
Advance/Zone/NAPA recommended preference?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] This is ridiculous

[Gerry Archer]

Your repair will never hold up since you didn't use Shoe Goo.  Plan on 
sleeping on the couch.

Gerry.sarcastic moderate in training

From: "Jim Cathey" 

I feel like we need at least one more sarcastic
moderate, if you know someone. :)


That leaves me out, my sarcasm knows no bounds.

Jill is again warming to the X5, it _is_ a pretty nice car
in spite of being a wretched SUV.  If it will just behave
itself for awhile she may grow to love it.  SWMBA is, however,
not one to forgive, nor forget, and Friday's BS was definitely
in the vein of a career-limiting move.

She's leaning towards keeping the Nav system and installing
the (rear) CD changer, since she finds she likes the multi-line
telephone number display of the Nav system's screen.  (Which the
in-dash system doesn't have.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 0W40

[Gerry Archer]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 00:20:01 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote:

Not this again. So Porsche has made a mistake in specifying M1 0W40
across the line, then? My friend ALC's 2012 Porsche 991 Carrera S, 3.8
liters, 400 hp, 186mph on the way to Starbucks, needs "thicker"oil?


Not this again. They are talking about a 240D, not this year's Porsche.
M1 15W-50 is entirely suitable for a 240D while 0W-40 is not.
Craig


The first oil arguments I remember began about 1945.  The oils have greatly 
improved but the arguments are still going on.
The first big change in oil arguments was new oil versus reprocessed oil 
since stock car racers used reprocessed oil.  Young guys with money put 
sperm oil (whale oil) in their reprocessed oil because that's what some 
racers with Offenhauser engines used.  The other Offy racers used castor 
oil, but the kids seldom used it because it would stink up the atmosphere 
for a mile around and the neighbors would complain.
Next was new oil versus new oil with "detergent".  When detergent oil became 
available many put it in their old engines and the engines started knocking 
and clattering and using oil by the gallon as the detergent dissolved the 
collected crud of years  gone by that had filled in the worn spaces in the 
engines.
After that people began swearing by this or that brand of oil, all of which 
were supposed to have miracle additives.  A side argument back then was 
sulphur based California oils versus non-sulphur based Pennsylvania oils or 
equivalents.
Slowly, a few of us who just wanted our engines to last a long time, started 
using the RPM Delo oil that the big trucks used in order to get sometimes a 
half million miles out of their engines.  We held our breath when a Standard 
Oil subsidiary acquired RPM Delo, thinking they would screw up the formula 
like most big corporations were apt to do, but by some miracle they didn't 
screw it up too badly and it remained the best oil for quite some time. 
Other oil companies gradually caught on and copied Delo in various ways to 
the point where there were a number of fairly good dino oils.  Mobil and 
Shell truck oils were never as good as Delo, however.
Everyone here probably remembers when synthetic oils hit the market and a 
gulf between dino and synthetic opened; never to close again.
Nowadays oil arguments are in a rut with nothing to argue about but the 
weight of oil to be used in various cars.
I long for the good old days of oil arguments when there were actual fist 
fights over oil and oil additives such as Casite which caused a satisfyingly 
smelly cloud of smoke from the tailpipe when you poured it in the 
carburetor.
If you had a fist fight over oil nowadays, you'd probably wind up in the 
pokey.

(end of rant)
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[MBZ] New auto refrigerants and systems

[Gerry Archer]

...SAE International (formerly the Society of Automotive Engineers) has 
proposed that R-134a be replaced by a new fluorocarbon known as HFO-1234yf. 
This tongue twister was formulated to meet the European Union's latest 
requirement for an air-conditioning gas with a GWP below 150. HFO-1234yf has 
a GWP of just four-ie, 335 times less than the R-134a figure.


Though it is expensive, European carmakers reckon HFO-1234yf has the lowest 
overall switching cost among the various alternatives. Assuming a compatible 
lubricating oil can be chosen, it could become a "near drop-in replacement" 
for R-134a. A factory to make the stuff has been built jointly by Honeywell 
and DuPont, two American companies that own most of the patents. General 
Motors is to introduce the new refrigerant in its domestic models in 2013.


The NREL has a cool-car goal of reducing the energy used by the vehicle's 
climate control by 50%, while maintaining the thermal comfort and safety of 
the occupants. (Drivers who are hot and bothered have more accidents.) The 
laboratory has teamed up with Ford to develop a thermoelectric 
climate-control system based on the Peltier effect.


A Peltier cooler is a solid-state device that transfers heat from one side 
of a junction (between two different semiconductor materials) to the other, 
depending on the direction of the electrical current applied. By changing 
the direction of the current, Peltier devices can be used to heat as well as 
cool. The technology still has a long way to go before it can rival 
refrigeration by vapour compression and evaporation. But its lack of a 
circulating fluid and of moving parts (except for a fan to blow cold air) 
make it a strong candidate in a time when vehicles have to use their motive 
power ever more sparingly to meet mandatory fuel-economy 
requirementssnip


http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/10/air-conditioning


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[MBZ] Paris Motor Show...interesting designs

[Gerry Archer]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/9571011/Paris-Motor-Show-2012-in-pictures.html?frame=2352652 



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Re: [MBZ] Driver's window anyone?

[Gerry Archer]

Taped on thin Plexiglas or equivalent from a building supply or hardware 
store gives pretty good visibility.  I taped it on the inside in case the 
tape let loose.

Gerry

From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 
Yes, I'm planning on bringing some plastic and tape. Won't use it unless I 
have to as I prefer to have good visibility.


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On Sep 27, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

Find yourself a piece of clear plastic and some tape! (just in case)

I saw a fellow trying to keep a green garbage bag tucked into the driver's 
window hole the other day.

Talk about a blind spot.

Randy

On 27/09/2012 3:31 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
My loose driver's window on the 82 240D shattered today as I closed my 
door. It happened just after leaving Andrew's house. Did you jinx me 
Andrew! BTW, his newly painted 300TD is a real beauty!
Anyway, back to my point, I'm driving back to Boston from DC tomorrow sans 
window. Hopefully, it won't rain!

Does anyone have a crank window and mechanism they could sell me?

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Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox - was: EPC

[Gerry Archer]

There was only one cd but instructions were to download the "Rescue Media 
Builder" from it which I have done.  Quoting:  "The Rescue Media Builder is 
a tool for creating bootable rescue disks."

Thanks, Tim.
Gerry

From: "Tim C" 
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Gerry Archer  
wrote:

I bought a (2010?) version CD of Acronis for home/office from Ebay on the
recommendation of several members and set it to periodically back up a 
whole

image of my main computer, which runss WinXP, on a free standing external
HD.
(I assume a "whole image" includes everything on the HD including the 
OS?)


Yes, Acronis was one of the early "true image" backup solutions, as I
recall.  Ideal for taking a live system to a backup.


I want to put a copy of the main computers drive alongside Windows 7 on
another computer using Virtualbox.
It would seem that downloading the whole image of the C drive on the
external HD to Virtualbox on another computer would be no different than
downloading it to an "empty" formatted hd on a new computer.  I thought
perhaps that someone on the list might have done that since Virtualbox 
and

Acronis Home Office seem to be very popular.


I have not done it, but Acronis should come with a restore CD.  If you
boot that using Virtualbox, and then patch the USB port to the
Virtualbox instance, it should work fine. [I know how to do that in
VMWare but not Virtualbox, sorry.]

If I can later set up Acronis to run on a VIrtualbox OS and back it up to 
an

external HD, that will be great but not absolutely necessary.


You could, but you should probably just copy snapshots (or whatever)
from Virtualbox onto the hard drive.  Presumably you're using Acronis
or whatever to backup the Virtualbox host.  That way you don't have to
take two steps to get your systems running again, though you lose the
ability to do incremental/differential backups so that may be a
consideration.

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox - was: EPC

[Gerry Archer]

From: "Fmiser" 



> In August Phillip and Kaleb wrote:
> > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > so what do you do, download this virtualbox, then install
> > windows xp on that?  I am familiar with vmware thats what
> > the chinese SDS system uses.
> Same concept an VMWare - different in some details.
> Downloading VirtualBox give you the framework.  Inside the
> framework you setup guests.  Each one thinks it is a
> stand-alone computer - but it is an totally empty computer
> until you install a OS (Win XP, Mac, or whatever).  Then it
> boots and runs and the OS thinks it's in a metal box with
> it's own motherboard, drives, network cards, etc.
> This does mean you will need to install an OS on the guest,
> so you will need an install disk (or ISO image).



Gerry Archer wrote:
Can I download an image to a VirtualBox from a remote HD
running Acronis? Thanks,


I had to Google to find out what Acrunis is.  It seems to be
cloud storage.  So...  I think the answer is "yes" - but I don't
quite get the phrase "remote HD running Acronis".

A VirtualBox guest is effectively it's own computer.  The
memory, harddrive, network card, etc. are "borrowed" from the
host but the guest OS is typically totally unaware.  So if the
Acronis thing would work with a normal computer, then there is a
very high probability it will work with a VirtualBox guest.
If I'm understanding the question...
--  Philip


I bought a (2010?) version CD of Acronis for home/office from Ebay on the 
recommendation of several members and set it to periodically back up a whole 
image of my main computer, which runss WinXP, on a free standing external 
HD.

(I assume a "whole image" includes everything on the HD including the OS?)
I want to put a copy of the main computers drive alongside Windows 7 on 
another computer using Virtualbox.
It would seem that downloading the whole image of the C drive on the 
external HD to Virtualbox on another computer would be no different than 
downloading it to an "empty" formatted hd on a new computer.  I thought 
perhaps that someone on the list might have done that since Virtualbox and 
Acronis Home Office seem to be very popular.
If I can later set up Acronis to run on a VIrtualbox OS and back it up to an 
external HD, that will be great but not absolutely necessary.

(If this doesn't make any sense, I'll try again.)
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Re: [MBZ] Virtualbox - was: EPC

[Gerry Archer]

In August Phillip and Kaleb wrote:

From: "Fmiser" 
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: 
so what do you do, download this virtualbox, then install

windows xp on that?  I am familiar with vmware thats what the
chinese SDS system uses.


Same concept an VMWare - different in some details.

If you already have a VMWare environment, it may be easier to
use a VMWare guest for your EPC.

If not, VirtualBox is a bit more friendly to the free crowd.
(free as in freedom AND free as in beer) so that's what I'm
currently using.

Downloading VirtualBox give you the framework.  Inside the
framework you setup guests.  Each one thinks it is a stand-alone
computer - but it is an totally empty computer until you install
a OS (Win XP, Mac, or whatever).  Then it boots and runs and the
OS thinks it's in a metal box with it's own motherboard, drives,
network cards, etc.

This does mean you will need to install an OS on the guest, so
you will need an install disk (or ISO image).

--   Philip

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Can I download an image to a VirtualBox from a remote HD running Acronis? 
Thanks,

Gerry

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[MBZ] Cheaper Merz coming?

[Gerry Archer]

In the first sign that the global economic crisis may be returning to the 
luxury car industry, Germany's Daimler has reduced its earnings forecast for 
next year, while Porsche said it would also build fewer cars. The market in 
China, which helped keep German manufacturers above water in recent years, 
is slowing.snip


http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/crisis-hits-carmakers-daimler-and-porsche-cut-expectations-for-2013-a-857183.html

If Daimler gets desperate enough, perhaps they'll send over some of their 
less expensive cars.  A taxi model on the order of the 110 200D would be 
welcome; 33 mpg around town.
Gerry 



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[MBZ] OT: Promoting friendship

[Gerry Archer]

Gerry wrote:
Here's a story from a friend.  Actual or not, it's an interesting way to 
promote friendship and reduce hostility in a group.


.

One day a teacher  asked her students to list the names of the other 
students in the room on two sheets of  paper, leaving a space between each 
name.


Then she told them to think of the nicest thing they could say about each 
of their classmates and write it down.


It took the remainder of the  class period to finish their assignment, and 
as  the students left the room, each one handed in the papers.


That Saturday, the  teacher wrote down the name of each student on a 
separate sheet of paper, and listed what  everyone else had said about 
that individual.


On Monday she gave each student his  or her list. Before long, the entire 
class was  smiling. 'Really?' she heard whispered 'I never  knew that 
I meant anything to anyone!' and, 'I  didn't know others liked me so 
much,' were most  of the comments.


No one ever  mentioned those papers in class again. She never  knew if 
they discussed them after class or with  their parents, but it didn't 
matter. The  exercise had accomplished its purpose. The  students were 
happy with themselves and one  another. That group of students moved  on.


Several years later, one of the  students was killed in
Vietnam and his  teacher attended the funeral of that special  student. 
She had never seen a serviceman in a  military coffin before. He looked so 
handsome,  so mature.


The church was packed with  his friends. One by one those who loved him 
took  a last walk by the coffin. The teacher was the  last one to bless 
the coffin.


As she  stood there, one of the soldiers who acted as  pallbearer came up 
to her. 'Were you Mark's math  teacher?' he asked. She nodded: 'yes.' Then 
he  said: 'Mark talked about you a  lot.'


After  the funeral, most of Mark's former classmates  went together to a 
luncheon. Mark's mother and  father were there, obviously waiting to speak 
with his teacher.


'We want to show you  something,' his father said, taking a wallet out  of 
his pocket 'They found this on Mark when he  was killed. We thought you 
might recognize  it.'


Opening  the billfold, he carefully removed two worn  pieces of notebook 
paper that had obviously been  taped, folded and refolded many times. The 
teacher knew without looking that the papers  were the ones on which she 
had listed all the  good things each of Mark's classmates had said  about 
him.


'Thank you so much  for doing that,' Mark's mother said. 'As you can  see, 
Mark treasured it.'


All of  Mark's former classmates started to gather  around. Charlie smiled 
rather sheepishly and  said, 'I still have my list. It's in the top 
drawer of my desk at home.'


Chuck's  wife said, 'Chuck asked me to put his in our  wedding album.'

'I have mine too,'  Marilyn said. 'It's in my diary'

Then  Vicki, another classmate, reached into her  pocketbook, took out her 
wallet and showed her  worn and frazzled list to the group. 'I carry  this 
with me at all times,' Vicki said and  without batting an eyelash, she 
continued: 'I  think we all saved our lists'


That's  when the teacher finally sat down and cried. She  cried for Mark 
and for all his friends who would  never see him again.


The density of  people in society is so thick that we forget  that life 
will end one day. And we don't know when that one day will be.



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Re: [MBZ] Total crackhead MERCEDES BENZ 300 CD - $55000 (CHARLESTON SC)

[Gerry Archer]

That's one of the funniest I've seen yet.  $55,000!
Gerry

From: "Rich Thomas" 

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3287502474.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2010 GL350 diesel AWD

[Gerry Archer]

Daughter gets around 20, mixed city-road.
Gerry

From: "Jim Cathey" 

I love my gl. You looking to buy one?

It's one of many possibilities.  What is a realistic
fuel economy?  Most likely candidate is a Subey of
some sort, however.
-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Bent Valve? No!!

[Gerry Archer]

Unless the shop reamed the wells and installed oversize lifters (unlikely?), 
the "not new" engine wells should have some wear.  The idea was to try 
something simple before taking things apart again.  That said, I'm not 
familiar with the engine and haven't worked on lifters since '60s model 
cars.

Gerry

From: "Max Dillon" 
My concern is the the tight fit of the lifter in its well will prevent oil 
from escaping.  There is a channel around the middle of the lifter which 
allows oil to flow in when that channel lines up with the oil passage in 
the side of the well, but it is not really designed to allow oil to flow 
out

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Gerry Archer  wrote:


How about slipping a fat thickness gauge in between the cam and the
valve
stem or whatever it rubs against; put a wrench on the cam sprocket nut;
and
a piece of pipe on the other end of the wrench with a weight attached.
By
experimenting with the amount of weight on the "cheater pipe", it seems
like
the hydraulic lifter should compress; given a day or so if that's the
problem.
Gerry

From: "Max Dillon" 

I'll give it a shot, but I've pulled and replaced the cam so many

times,

won't be a big deal doing that one more time.
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

John Reames  wrote:

I'd think you could probably fab something up to compress the lifters
in situ. You might have to bear on top of the rockers, but that
shouldn't hurt anything.

--
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Mobile: +14437915905

On Sep 19, 2012, at 9:23, Max Dillon 

wrote:



Just spoke with the shop that did the work, that is their theory.

Lifter is holding oil, set too high.  They recommended taking all
lifters out, compressing in a vice until no more oil comes out,

pausing

between each half turn to let the oil come out.  Other possibility is
they ground the seat but didn't remove enough from the top of the

valve

stem, so stem is too high.


Is it possible to grind off top of stem while head is mounted?
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

John Reames  wrote:


Stuck hydraulic lifter?

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On Sep 18, 2012, at 22:01, "Max Dillon"



wrote:


Valve was not sticking.  By finger I could easily move it up to

the

seat,

and even rotate it a little against the seat, and the valve

rotating

in the

seat felt smooth.  I held it closed and filled intake with a

little

WD-40,

and it would not leak out.  Just for satisfaction, I sharpened a

toothpick

into a wedge, and forced open the top of the valve stem seal a

little, and

dribble some WD-40 down to lube the valve guide.  Made a slight

difference

for the better.

So, I put it all back together, and same result: #2 intake valve

won't fully

close, vents the compression charge air out the intake.

What gives?  Might the valve spring be bad?  Next I'm going to

try

a

different spring, can't think of what else the problem might be.

I let it idle for about 10 minutes until the water temperature

was

normal,

but the valve behavior didn't change.  Oil pressure was good.  I

was

able to

observe and compare all the intake valves, and it looks as if #6

doesn't

open as much as the rest.  I suspect that lifter is not fully

pressurized

with oil.  Maybe I'll swap that out as well if I pull the cam off

again.


-Max


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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]

On Behalf Of Max Dillon
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Bent Valve?

I think I'm going to try #3, get some lubrication down the stem

to

see if I

can get that valve free.  I'm sure it did not rust.

--
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Bent Valve? No!!

[Gerry Archer]

How about slipping a fat thickness gauge in between the cam and the valve 
stem or whatever it rubs against; put a wrench on the cam sprocket nut; and 
a piece of pipe on the other end of the wrench with a weight attached.  By 
experimenting with the amount of weight on the "cheater pipe", it seems like 
the hydraulic lifter should compress; given a day or so if that's the 
problem.

Gerry

From: "Max Dillon" 
I'll give it a shot, but I've pulled and replaced the cam so many times, 
won't be a big deal doing that one more time.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

John Reames  wrote:

I'd think you could probably fab something up to compress the lifters
in situ. You might have to bear on top of the rockers, but that
shouldn't hurt anything.

--
John W Reames
jream...@verizon.net
Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Sep 19, 2012, at 9:23, Max Dillon  wrote:


Just spoke with the shop that did the work, that is their theory.

Lifter is holding oil, set too high.  They recommended taking all
lifters out, compressing in a vice until no more oil comes out, pausing
between each half turn to let the oil come out.  Other possibility is
they ground the seat but didn't remove enough from the top of the valve
stem, so stem is too high.


Is it possible to grind off top of stem while head is mounted?
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

John Reames  wrote:


Stuck hydraulic lifter?

--
John W Reames
jream...@verizon.net
Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Sep 18, 2012, at 22:01, "Max Dillon" 
wrote:


Valve was not sticking.  By finger I could easily move it up to the

seat,

and even rotate it a little against the seat, and the valve

rotating

in the

seat felt smooth.  I held it closed and filled intake with a little

WD-40,

and it would not leak out.  Just for satisfaction, I sharpened a

toothpick

into a wedge, and forced open the top of the valve stem seal a

little, and

dribble some WD-40 down to lube the valve guide.  Made a slight

difference

for the better.

So, I put it all back together, and same result: #2 intake valve

won't fully

close, vents the compression charge air out the intake.

What gives?  Might the valve spring be bad?  Next I'm going to try

a

different spring, can't think of what else the problem might be.

I let it idle for about 10 minutes until the water temperature was

normal,

but the valve behavior didn't change.  Oil pressure was good.  I

was

able to

observe and compare all the intake valves, and it looks as if #6

doesn't

open as much as the rest.  I suspect that lifter is not fully

pressurized

with oil.  Maybe I'll swap that out as well if I pull the cam off

again.


-Max


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com

[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]

On Behalf Of Max Dillon
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Bent Valve?

I think I'm going to try #3, get some lubrication down the stem to

see if I

can get that valve free.  I'm sure it did not rust.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] Condensation?

[Gerry Archer]

If you only want to protect shop tools, here is what I did on a sometimes 
rain swept carport:
1.  Put a piece of durable plastic under the saw table so tht it extends at 
least 6 inches out all the way around.

2.  Put two pans of calcium chloride (CaCL2) under or on the saw table.
3.  Slip a mattress cover (single, double, or queen size) over the saw table 
and lay bricks, blocks, or other weights around the bottom edge after 
lapping the mattress cover and the floor plastic together at the bottom.
4.  To use the saw, pull off the mattress cover and then put it back on 
after finished.
5.  If the mattress covers aren't big enough, Google "very large plastic 
bags" and you'll find plastic bags that are big enough.
6.  At the beginning of the damp season check the CaCL2 pans.  If they have 
become liquid or formed a crust, empty and replace with new CaCL2.  I bought 
"Damp Rid" sold at the grocery in big milk cartons.  You can probably buy it 
much cheaper in large quantities elsewhere.

Good luck.


On 18/09/2012 12:08 PM, WILTON wrote:
Mighty hard to ventilate all of Manitoba and her surroundings.  Part of 
the garage condensation problem is day/night cycle - everything in garage 
cools at night; warm(er), moist air infiltrates during the day, the 
machines are cool enough from night before to cause moisture in the "new" 
air to condense on the cool surfaces, unless enough air is moving 
(blowing) across those surfaces to prevent thin layer of contact air 
cooling below the dew point.


BTW, just realized - I think I've been saying "due" point in my previous 
posts; I meant "DEW" point, of course - the temp at which the air is 
saturated and DEW, frost, et., forms.


Wilton

-
Yes and the problem is compounded by the location it is in. There are 
trees on the south side of the building and a hill that shield it from the 
sun to a great extent. It would really only get good sunshine on the end 
wall facing east during the morning.
Also is 2 storey so no real warmth from above on the main floor. (Would 
probably be good for the equipment to move it up to the 2nd floor but 
would result in a fair amount of up and down for me as the user.)
Snow slides off the sheet metal roof and leaves piles of snow up against 
the lower walls of the building until it melts and that is sometimes not 
until end of May. Too shielded from sunlight so has to get quie warm out 
before it melts. That no doubt keeps the concrete floor cold too. So it 
radiates cold and helps to condense the moisture out of the air. More 
ventilation is probably a good plan.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: How to keep dishes from scratching new countertops

[Gerry Archer]

 wrote:
> OK, here is the deal.  Countertops are meant to be, well,
> countertops.  They are meant to take your general usage abuse.  That
> manufactured quartz stuff

I suspect Craig is concerned if he has to move in the near future, a
buyer would ding him on any scratches / reduced sheen.


Yup.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Undercarriage wiring

[Gerry Archer]

BIL was having problems with his boat wiring.  I cleaned and coated the 
connections with  Starbrite Liquid Electrical Tape (obtainable many places). 
It's been several years now without any further problems. I left slack in 
the wires so the connection could be cut out and a new one made if they did 
corrode. Starbrite has a limited shelf life after opening the can.

Gerry

- Original Message - 
From: "G Mann" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Undercarriage wiring



Use crimp connectors that are rated for water tight connections Home
Depot has them in the irrigation section if you decide to cut and
splice. Also, use heat shrink tubing over the splice connector to "seal it
up" further. You will be as good as you can be.

If I recall... ford prewired trailer light connectors into the wire 
harness

after year ???... [sorry, can't remember ... 1994?]  There are plug in
trailer connection harness units sold at FLAPS that are vehicle 
specific...

ie.. Ford, Chev.. etc...
For a "plug and play"...

HTH,

Grant...

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Tim C  wrote:


I'm installing a trailer hitch in my Ford E350 "behemoth".  Ford
helpfully ran wires for the four-wire connector to the middle of the
van, where they terminate into a plug for the backup sensors.  Trailer
wires stop inside the connector, and the connector is water sealed.
There are covers over where the trailer connector would be in this
connector.

I don't really want to mutilate the connector cover to put wires in,
so I'd prefer to use splices to tap off the significant wires.
Alternatively, I could cut the four wires - they aren't otherwise used
- and twist them; not sure which would be better.  My thoughts:
 - How do I make this thing last for a long time?  My big fear is
blowing fuses when I step on the brakes, in 10 years, when I've
forgotten this completely.
 - How do I keep water out of the connections?  Splices seem like they
are asking for water shorts.  I could cover it in electrical tape but
that seems like it would need regular maintenance.
 - Are there special considerations with salt etc. since it will be in
the undercarriage of the van?

Open to any suggestions!

Thanks,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] OT: How to keep dishes from scratching new countertops

[Gerry Archer]

You might try coating the contact surfaces of the cups and dishes with clear 
epoxy which should withstand the heat of a dishwasher.  Good quality epoxy 
can wear quite well.  A permanent solution would be to buy glazed cups and 
dishes.  Some wives like new dishes now and then.

Gerry


Craig  wrote:
We recently replaced our countertops and are concerned that our coffee
cups and dishes with unglazed bottoms will scratch them.

Is there some way to treat the dishes so they won't be able to scratch?
I thought of glazing the unglazed parts, but don't have access to a
kiln
and have never done that type of work.

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Printing Article

[Gerry Archer]

That article takes me back to when I worked at the Tampa Tribune as a 
teenager in the 1940s.  Everything was letterpress there; four or more 
Linotypes and many steel tables where the slugs of type were assembled into 
pages.  The pages then went through a press which imprinted the type onto a 
(gutta-percha?) sheet which was then fitted into a a moulding setup where 
melted lead was poured forming a half round copy of a page that was then 
mounted on a roller in the press and automatically coated with ink during 
the press run.
The press was a huge, nearly two story machine with catwalks around the 
upper areas.  I remember the time when a pressman got his hand caught 
between rollers and lost his arm up to the elbow.  THe blood and tissue was 
quickly cleaned up and the paper was no more than thirty minutes late on the 
streets.
Trickery, practical jokes, and drunkeness were common in the newsroom where 
I worked.  As a teenager straight from a small farming town in Indiana, I 
endured most of them.  For example, one day a composing room employee asked 
me if I'd ever seen "type lice".  When I looked down between the type slugs 
on a (galley?) of type, he slammed it shut and I got a face full of ink and 
water.
One time the farm editor, who rode a bicycle to work, got drunk and accused 
the makeup editor of hiding it.  The makeup editor took off his glasses and 
they went at each other in the middle of the newsroom.  With the farm editor 
drunk and the makeup editor effectively blind without his glasses, I don't 
think either one got in a solid blow to the other in spite of many 
roundhouse swings before the fight was broken up.  Turned out that the farm 
editors wife had driven him to work that night and his bicycle was at home. 
In many ways, those were happier times than todays fast paced era.

Gerry

From: "Dan Penoff" 

Who is it that's into old printing presses?  They will enjoy this article:
http://printmag.com/Article/Death-of-a-Pressman
Dan
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Re: [MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Gerry Archer]

What's funny is the tent in the back yard.  You had to do that?
Gerry

From: "OK Don" 

What's funny? It's right on - BTDT!  I have found that rubbing fresh
parsely helps the remove the Diesel smell - if that's something you'd want
to do :-)

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Gerry Archer 
wrote:



ROFLMAO!!!  This is hilarious; a keeper.
Gerry

 Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Knowing that you have recently performed this task, could you
perhaps guide me through it?




..

 Remove as much fuel as possible.  The strainer is at the very

bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto the ground -
or you.

Find the bottom of the fuel tank.

Remove the hose from the hard line going forward.  Have a
container to catch some of the fuel you left in the tank.  If
the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.

Unscrew the fuel strainer.  It is a very large hex.  Water pump
pliers (channelocks) can work well.

Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak
your shirt, and puddle under your back.

Put the new one in.  Be sure the rubber seal is in place.
Tighten.

Attach the hose to the hard line.

Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back
in the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore.
Plan on a couple days.

--   Philip




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[MBZ] The Joy of Mercedes Repairs

[Gerry Archer]

ROFLMAO!!!  This is hilarious; a keeper.
Gerry


Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
Knowing that you have recently performed this task, could you
perhaps guide me through it?


..


Remove as much fuel as possible.  The strainer is at the very
bottom and any left in the tank will run out onto the ground -
or you.

Find the bottom of the fuel tank.

Remove the hose from the hard line going forward.  Have a
container to catch some of the fuel you left in the tank.  If
the screen is plugged, not all will come out the hose.

Unscrew the fuel strainer.  It is a very large hex.  Water pump
pliers (channelocks) can work well.

Let the rest of the fuel in the tank run down your arm, soak
your shirt, and puddle under your back.

Put the new one in.  Be sure the rubber seal is in place.
Tighten.

Attach the hose to the hard line.

Set up a tent in the back yard 'cause you won't be allowed back
in the house until you don't smell like raw diesel anymore.
Plan on a couple days.

--   Philip



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Re: [MBZ] Molasses treatment for rust

[Gerry Archer]

Supposedly to remove the oxygen from the iron oxide.  The only acid I found 
listed was  pyrrolidone carboxylic acid.

Not sure what the chelating agent would be in molasses:

.."The total sugar content in molasses is approximately 50 %. Minor 
carbohydrates are glucose, fructose, raffinose and some other oligo- or 
polysaccharides. Their concentration is below 1 % and depends to a 
significant extent on the manufacturing process. Some of the minerals found 
in molasses are potassium followed by sodium, calcium and magnesium. Their 
content depends mainly on soil type and water availability. Additionally, 
the calcium and sodium content is influenced by processing practices. About 
20 % of the total mass consists of non-sucrose organic matter, in particular 
of non-protein nitrogen (NPN) containing substances, such as betaine. In 
addition molasses contains free and bound amino acids and pryrrolidone 
carboxylic acid (a conversion product of glutamine). In the manufacturing 
process most of the amino acids undergo changes so that less than the 
amounts expected from beet roots are found in molasses"snip


Gerry


From: "Allan Streib" 

molasses ... vinegar, coca cola

To remove rust, or prevent it?
Allan
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mobil wifi hotspot connections

[Gerry Archer]

Oops!  Sent wrong one; here's right one:
Gerry

--
Thanks to all.  That explains it.
Gerry

..


On Sep 10, 2012 7:09 PM, "Curt Raymond" 
Don't do it, its like going back to dialup, 3G is slw.


...


Depends on the carrier, but yes 3g is slow.  It might be okay for email if
that's your big requirement.  My 4g wimax phone has higher bandwidth than
my DSL connection can get, and LTE should be faster still.


Has anyone had experience with mobile wifi hotspot connections?  Any
problems?


It is (was?*) an extra fee if you want to be legit, or a lot of work on an
iPhone if you want to be illegit.  In any case I think Verizon cuts you
off
if you use too much data (2 GB?) in a month, and it is against the terms
of
service if you use mobile data as a home internet connection so they could
cut you off for that too.

*The possibility here is because Verizon recently (last few weeks) got
told
by the FCC that they couldn't block tethering apps from the Android store.
I don't know if that will/has reflected back into their plans - free
tethering for everyone - or will just affect Android users with no change
in TOS. (According to life hacker, it does not affect iPhone users because
Apple is doing the tethering app blocking, for what that's worth.)


Daughter say Verizon in this area is poor.
Just received first smartphone, an iPhone 3g-s, which has mobile

connection to Verizon, but haven't been able to figure out how to use it
as a connection to a laptop.in order to cancel DSL.



Probably a poor choice as a primary connection even if you could ignore
the
speed and potential coverage issues, for the reasons above.
My cable monopoly recently lowered its prices into the "competitive"
range,  you might look there if you want to drop copper.



Best,
Tim


...

The data charges are higher as well - use the hotspot when traveling, but
not at home, except as a back-up, should your life feel threatened when the
DSL is down :-)
OK Don


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mobil wifi hotspot connections

[Gerry Archer]

On Sep 10, 2012 7:09 PM, "Curt Raymond" 
Don't do it, its like going back to dialup, 3G is slw.


...


Depends on the carrier, but yes 3g is slow.  It might be okay for email if
that's your big requirement.  My 4g wimax phone has higher bandwidth than
my DSL connection can get, and LTE should be faster still.


Has anyone had experience with mobile wifi hotspot connections?  Any
problems?


It is (was?*) an extra fee if you want to be legit, or a lot of work on an
iPhone if you want to be illegit.  In any case I think Verizon cuts you 
off
if you use too much data (2 GB?) in a month, and it is against the terms 
of

service if you use mobile data as a home internet connection so they could
cut you off for that too.

*The possibility here is because Verizon recently (last few weeks) got 
told

by the FCC that they couldn't block tethering apps from the Android store.
I don't know if that will/has reflected back into their plans - free
tethering for everyone - or will just affect Android users with no change
in TOS. (According to life hacker, it does not affect iPhone users because
Apple is doing the tethering app blocking, for what that's worth.)


Daughter say Verizon in this area is poor.
Just received first smartphone, an iPhone 3g-s, which has mobile
connection to Verizon, but haven't been able to figure out how to use it 
as a

connection to a laptop.in order to cancel DSL.


Probably a poor choice as a primary connection even if you could ignore 
the

speed and potential coverage issues, for the reasons above.
My cable monopoly recently lowered its prices into the "competitive" 
range,

you might look there if you want to drop copper.
Best,
Tim


...

The data charges are higher as well - use the hotspot when traveling, but
not at home, except as a back-up, should your life feel threatened when the
DSL is down :-)
OK Don




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[MBZ] Molasses treatment for rust

[Gerry Archer]

This farmer, who runs four pickups on gasified wood, suggests using a 
mixture of water and molasses for rust.  Never heard of that before but it 
apparently works:


http://www.homercidal.com/molasses/

http://www.motherearthnews.com/wood-gas-adventures/wood-gas-with-wayne-keith.aspx

http://www.driveonwood.com/

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Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes

[Gerry Archer]

There are operations for snoring but sometimes they simply change the audio 
frequency.
Wife said my snoring reminded her of a diesel Mercedes idling, but she was 
probably kidding.

How can anyone snore klatta-klatta-klatta?
Gerrywho was married for 50 years.


On 9/10/2012 16:25, Randy Bennell wrote:
With the exception of Wilton, you are all amateurs so far. Barbara and I 
have been married 39 years so far.

Not sure how much longer though as she is becoming upset with my snoring.
Randy


On 10/09/2012 3:48 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
Nice.  Congrats.  Toni and I just celebrated 11 years together the 30th 
of

Aug.

How she has put up with me for this long I will probably never know

Mike
On Sep 10, 2012 4:32 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:


We'll hit 11 at the end of this month.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Message-ID: <7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC>
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Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for 
me.


Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes

[Gerry Archer]

Snoring is bad for marriages but good for the twin bed industry.  Of course, 
serious snorers sometimes have to move into the guest room.


Once shared a hotel room with a friend.  Never before or since have I heard 
anything like his snoring.
Since sleep was no option, even after blocking it with four pillows, I 
turned on a tape recorder with the idea of playing it for him later.  When 
played the next morning, the transistors had continuously peaked producing 
nothing but a steady roar.  How his wife stood it I'll never know.

Gerry


On 10/09/2012 4:50 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:
I had 36 years this past weekend but I suffer like you Randy, not sure 
how

much longer I can take the elbows to my back for snoring.
Rusty Cullens

The thing that I really find truly amazing is that I don't hear it. I have 
sort of woken up and realized I was snoring but when truly sleeping one 
does not know one is snoring. Randy



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[MBZ] OT: Mobil wifi hotspot connections

[Gerry Archer]

Has anyone had experience with mobile wifi hotspot connections?  Any 
problems?

Daughter say Verizon in this area is poor.
Just received first smartphone, an iPhone 3g-s, which has mobile connection 
to

Verizon, but haven't been able to figure out how to use it as a  connection
to a laptop.in order to cancel DSL.
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Muffler Patch Methods?

[Gerry Archer]

After 40 years of patching mufflers, wrapping with two layers of metal
(preferably galvanized) which has been bedded with muffler patching goo from
FLAPS, and secured with four clamps evenly spaced; is the longest lasting
patch I've found.  If there isn't enough room on the pipe, then it goes to
an independent muffler shop.  The chains usually waste ones time and/or
money by trying to sell new parts.  A good muffler guy can do wonders with
welding and often do it cheaply.
Gerry

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

I have some JBWeld!
--R

On 9/10/12 4:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

I need to convince Rich to get a welder...



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Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes

[Gerry Archer]

Whatever happened to the "seven year itch"?  It was widely accepted that
wives/husbands tended to stray after seven years of marriage.  I remember it
being discussed in the 1930s when I was a child.  Since then movies and
plays have been written about it. (Marilyn Monroe was in one by that title)
and psychologists have addressed the subject.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090429172241.htm

Gerry

From: "Curt Raymond" 

We'll hit 11 at the end of this month.
-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:24:59 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes
Message-ID: <7423B264383D4996A4A0B84C0DC1E572@wiltonPC>
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Yep, those of us with SWMBO's are still in training - 59 1/2 years for me.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Preppin for the Q

[Gerry Archer]

I'm surprised New Englanders have let California get so far ahead of them in
the celebration of rusty vehicles.
For example, Pacifica California has yearly Fog Festivals and the top prize
is awarded to the "Most Rusted Vehicle".  A judge at one of the Fog
Festivals had this to say about the winners:
"The impressive deterioration of the trunk sealed the second place victory
for the '79 Malibu, but the pickup truck was the winner."  "It was so nice
and rusty and full of holes, you could see right through it".
Gerry

From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 

You're in luck. I always take step by step photos of all my rust
repairs:)

On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Mike Esh  wrote:

I would love to see pictures and write up. I will have to be doing
this next year.
Mike in rust belt of Michigan

On Sep 7, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

That was funny. Why do cars have to rust! I spent the past two days
(part of) detailing my 240D. It was way overdue. Suddenly my car
started turning heads and getting compliments again despite the
rust! Hopefully I'll tackle some rust spots this fall- the front
jack points need repair-especially the drivers side.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Curt Raymond 
wrote:

Welded up a fist sized hole in my '78 240D today, that was a job
that was really overdue and I wish I'd tackled it sooner. I did
notice (rats) that the boots on the tie rod end and upper ball
joint on the passenger side look really sad. Fortunately I have all
new tie rods. They don't feel bad yet but I'll replace before the
snow hits (sure Mac, sure).

Anyway time to load up the car, tomorrow is the ChowdaQ!

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] I am insane

[Gerry Archer]

Bronchopulmonary dysplasia?  But that would be caused by inhaling diesel 
fumes, wouldn't it?

Diesel Jaguar?
Gerry


 wrote:

BPD then?
--R

On 9/7/12 10:07 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Maybe it's not insanity, but rather self abuse...

Dan

On Sep 7, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Rich Thomas 
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but I just love these cars 
http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/3191681714.html


--R

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Re: [MBZ] urea

[Gerry Archer]

If that urea smells like the urea we used to extract from urine in the lab 
(with reflux condensers), the U.S. is going to become a pungent nation.  It 
had one of the strangest penetrating odors I've ever encountered.

Gerry


.But if the urea tank is empty, you can't. And a tank that
needs to be filled approx every 10,000 miles [16,000 km] is a
different sort of planning than an empty fuel tank. And if the
fluid is available only at the dealer, then you have to plan a
trip to a location where there is a dealer during dealer hours


You are getting yourself into a froth for no good reason. The fluid MB
sells at   a high price is exactly the same as other manufacturers use, all 
at a

cheaper price. Ford is one, so I have read, and it might even be available
at auto parts store now.

If I had a vehicle that used it, I would keep a gallon or two at home. As
to appliances like Volts and Prius, they are certainly more complex that a
modern MB diesel with more failure possibilities. BTW, Volts are turning 
into

a flop for GM with sales numbers no where near what was predicted. According
to Time magazine.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] Old injectors are fine. Now what?!

[Gerry Archer]

Marshall would probably have recommended an Italian tuneup.
Gerry


Thats the way it goes, now you've got a new tool.
Compression test was probably the FIRST thing to do. Diagnose first, then 
plot and finally replace parts.
I forget, you said the car ran well on the highway but poorly at idle? 
Maybe a governor issue in the IP? A replacement 240D IP should be easy and 
cheap enough although installation is probably a triffle intense.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 08:54:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [MBZ] Old injectors are fine. Now what?!
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I just pulled my injectors and pop tested them. They are perfectly 
balanced- all fire at 1600psi, have a beautiful cone pattern with a fine 
mist and hold pressure. All I have to say is crap! Now what? Why does my 
engine run rough and misfire? It doesn't put out any black smoke which 
should have clues me in that the injectors were probably ok.

Should I rebuild anyway as I have the monarch nozzles?
What could really be wrong with my car?
Guess it's time for a compression test?


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[MBZ] Stripped bolt bugs spacewalkers

[Gerry Archer]

If you messed up a do-it-yourself job around your home over the weekend, 
you're in good company: a new power switching unit at the International 
Space Station has had to be tethered and left partly-fitted, after a jammed 
bolt led to the spacewalking electricians abandoning their installation 
attempt.
The spacewalk was scheduled to attach a new unit that helps route power 
generated by the ISS's solar panels to the space station's internal systems. 
Since it's one of four units the ISS uses, there's no danger of blackouts, 
so NASA decided that the recalcitrant bolt needed a re-think.
"Even with three such channels unavailable, flight controllers have been 
able to reroute power to critical station systems and payloads with only a 
minimal impact on operations," NASA says.
The space agency added that "The most probable cause is likely a combination 
of a slight misalignment in the positioning of the spare unit for its 
installation prior to bolting and possible damage to the threads of the 
receptacle posts on the S-zero truss to which the MBSU must be bolted in 
place."
Astronauts Akihiko Hoshide of Japan and American Sunita Williams were 
installing the new suitcase-sized main-bush switching unit to replace a 
faulty switch. One of the two unit's bolts, which NASA says needed 15 turns 
to be considered secure, kept sticking at the ninth turn.
An attempt to clean the housing with nitrogen gas were unsuccessful, as were 
attempts to remove the bolt.
NASA has announced that the astronauts will take another shot at installing 
the unit this Wednesday (September 5). NASA will broadcast the spacewalk on 
NASA TV.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/03/stuck_bolt_bugs_spacewalkers/

The bolt stuck at the ninth turn and it needed a total of fifteen turns to 
tighten.  How would you fix the stuck bolt?
Gerry 



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[MBZ] OT: Firefox, Opera allow crooks to hide an entire phish site in a link

[Gerry Archer]

Watch out for the tinyurl that isn't
Posted in Malware, 3rd September 2012 15:52 GMT

A shortcoming in browsers including Firefox and Opera allows crooks to
easily hide an entire malicious web page in a clickable link - ideal for
fooling victims into handing over passwords and other sensitive info.
Usually, so-called "phishing attacks" rely on tricking marks into visiting
websites designed by criminals to masquerade as banks and online stores,
thus snaffling punters' credentials and bank account details when they try
to use the bogus pages. However this requires finding somewhere to host the
counterfeit sites, which are often quickly taken down by hosting companies
and the authorities or blocked by filters.
Instead, the malicious web pages can be stored in data URIs - uniform
resource identifiers, not to be confused with URLs - which stuff the web
code into a handy string that when clicked on, instructs the browser to
unpack the payload and present it as a page.snip


http://firefox.tweetmeme.com/story/11909847532/firefox-opera-allow-crooks-to-hide-an-entire-phish-site-in-a-link-o-the-register


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Re: [MBZ] Pick and pull

[Gerry Archer]

Interesting testimonials about these cars:

http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/mercedes-benz/w124/1987/

From: "Peter Frederick" 
Most likely the veg oil wasn't being used correctly -- not only does  
it carbon up things and cause terrible varnish in the IP and  
injectors, but the car will very likely NOT start if it's not run on  
diesel long enough to purge all of the veg oil out of the lines to the  
injectors before being shut off.


Clogged fuel filters from fungus in the tank  will also make it hard  
to start, as will too much "fryer sludge" not filtered out of the oil.


Engine rebuild if ti's not been run out of oil is around $4000, well  
worth getting a decent condtion W124 603, they are great cars -- I've  
been driving one for a decade now.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] My Keck Interview

[Gerry Archer]

You should hang out your shingle as handyman.  Handymen around here make 
good money.

Gerry

From: "Rich Thomas" 
Don't forget plumber, cabinet maker, tile setter, and sheetrocker. And 
auto mechanic.


--R

On 8/31/12 9:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
He's employed as General Contractor, Finish Carpenter, Electrician, and 
Chef, but his wife doesn't pay him enough.





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Re: [MBZ] My Keck Interview

[Gerry Archer]

It may be encouraging that they could have already decided that you knew the 
technical requirements of the job, and that they therefore concentrated on 
the human and creative aspects.


It may also be encouraging that the group found it difficult to answer some 
of your questions
since you would be bringing different points of view to the group; often an 
advantage in problem solving.

Good luck.
Gerry

.

Craig  wrote:

Well, I finished the interview, which lasted almost an hour.

It was difficult, with questions I did not expect and without questions I
did expect. Since it was to be a technical interview, I expected
technical questions. There weren't any of those. The questions I got
related to how I worked in a large team, which I have not really done.

One question was if I had been in a situation where different members of
the team came up with very different solutions to a problem and how we
worked out a single, final solution. Since the teams I have worked on
have been small, with one person doing the entire project or with each
team member working on different aspects of the project, I had to think
quite a lot about how to answer that question.

When it came my turn to ask questions, I went down the list I had
prepared. Some of them were difficult for the group in Hawaii to answer.
I didn't finish all my questions before it was time to close the
conversation.

The parting question I got was, "Do you know any good jokes?" I drew a
blank. After a short period of silence, the fellow said, "Well, I don't
know any either."

I'm not sure what to think of all of this.

The HR person said they would be moving on to the next step of candidate
selection and to keep my fingers crossed that they would be calling me.

I was rather drained after the interview. It's good to know that the Lord
is in charge.

Thank you for your prayers, concern and support.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I got another phone call from the Keck Observatory

[Gerry Archer]

Why ship both ways?  There's bound to be a lot of old MBs there.  Kaleb can 
fly us over, buy one for each of us to drive to the party, and then ship 
them all back and re-stock his backyard.

Gerry

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
>HAHAHAHAH, will have to rent a ship to take us all and our cars over 
>there.



On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:51:14 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"

Well good luck.  If you end up moving there you are hosting the
next list fest.


OK, but y'all will have to bring your Benzes so we can do it in style! 
:-)

Craig


Hey Kaleb, Sign me up!  I checked... Matson is $1072 each way!  It is 
really nice of you to ship our cars for us!For rates you can check 
http://www.matson.com/pov/booking/shipping_rates.htm


I liked shipping to and from Seattle.  Don't have to deal with a BA sickos 
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Re: [MBZ] 300E Turn Signal Issue

[Gerry Archer]

Had a similar problem in '83 300D that turned out to be the four way flasher 
(hazard) switch which I replaced.  Someone else on the list took one apart, 
cleaned it with Deoxit, and that fixed it.

Gerry

From: "Dan Penoff" 
Go ahead, Rusty, and see what a new flasher relay costs and drop me a note
off list.  The wiring diagram shows it in the fusebox and it's labeled "N10"
on the drawing.  I'll drop you a PM with the VIN for reference.
Eldest son just texted me back and said it's working now after he ran the
hazard lights.
Hmm.
Dan

On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:


Thanks, Rusty, but don't burn a bunch of calories on this just yet.  Let
me get into it when he returns tonight and we'll see exactly what's wrong.

If it's the relay again I'll be replacing it with a new one.

Thanks,

Dan

On Aug 29, 2012, at 9:05 AM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:



I am at lunch right now but I'll check it as soon as I get back in.


Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E Turn Signal Issue

Is the turn signal relay in the console on this model?  I was thinking it
is in the back of the fuse box with the other relays?

Dan


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Check the turn signal relay in the console, most likely the culprit.




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Re: [MBZ] I got another phone call from the Keck Observatory

[Gerry Archer]

We're rooting for you!  Some concern about the road up the mountain.  Does 
Mercedes make helicopters?

Gerry



On 8/28/2012 23:23, Craig wrote:

This afternoon, the HR person at the W.M. Keck Observatory called and
asked if I wanted to continue with the interview process. I said, "Yes."
(What else would I answer?).

He said they wanted to do a panel interview over the telephone about the
technical details of the work involved. The people on their end of the
conversation would be the supervisor for the person in the position as
well as some other technically cognizant people.

He will call me back when they have determined what will be a good day 
and

time for them.

Thank you all for your prayers and support.

God bless,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] What gauge wire to use?

[Gerry Archer]

I use this wire gauge and usually use pieces of an orange 12 gauge extension 
cord because it has a very tough cover that prevents accidental shorts from 
wire rubbing on metal.  According to the chart, you can use one 12 gauge 
wire for 100 amps at 12 volts if it's not more than 5 feet long.  I used two 
of the wires in the 3 wire extension to be on the safe side and soldered 
them together on both ends.  Since the parallel systems are fused for 80 
amps, 100 amp wire should be sufficient.

(Apologies to the purists.)

http://www.offroaders.com/tech/12-volt-wire-gauge-amps.htm

Gerry
...
From: "Rich Thomas" richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
I'd say 8g, you can get single-cable short lengths at HD or Lowes, or any 
electrical supply shop will cut a bit for you.  If you want bigger, the 
3-wire stuff for connecting panels to boxes comes in larger sizes, you can 
get that at Lowes/HD too off spools in any length.


--R


On 8/28/12 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

In my continuing effort to stay on topic...

As I said yesterday the main feed wire to the glowplugs on my 240D got 
melted. There is some minor damage to the wire.
As a stop-gap I put some split loom over the damaged part and zip tied 
the wire out of the way. The larger problem is that the wire was too long 
in the first place, or maybe not long enough but theres no good 
attachment points on the firewall.


Anyway I'm obviously going to replace the roasted wire but what size 
should it be? The biggest wire I can easily get locally is 10ga which is 
what I used to the glowplugs but this wire seems a bit larger. I'm 
thinking its 8ga which I would have to order although its not all that 
expensive. For just a little more I could go to 4ga. If I went with 4ga 
I'd probably re-make the feed line from the battery too. I might even go 
back and remake the wires to the glowplugs...


Anybody have an idea what I should be using?

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] I just *have* to share this...

[Gerry Archer]

There are primitive families living out in these woods; some supposedly 
since the 1800s.  We see them in the convenience stores frequently; barefoot 
and nothing on but cut off jeans or overalls, shaggy, no evidence of recent 
bathing, and some have a scent that would probably rival a skunk apes.

Gerry

From: "Rich Thomas" 

One might think they are one and the same?
--R

On 8/27/12 12:10 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:


Waitress assured me that there were skunk-apes (sasquatch) out here in 
the Florida backwoods.  She said her husband saw one and got a picture of 
it, but it turned out to be one of the locals.

Gerry

From: "Randy Bennell" 

Careful! There are folks out there with guns.
Randy

On 27/08/2012 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Time to get the sasquatch suit out.  You could still have loads of fun 
with one of these even if you couldn't get to the SD card.


Dan


On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Tim C wrote:

My camera has a lock hook.  Since mine is the cheapest there is I 
assumed

this was standard.

I use it for shed security, btw.

Best,
Tim
On Aug 26, 2012 11:18 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] I just *have* to share this...

[Gerry Archer]

Waitress assured me that there were skunk-apes (sasquatch) out here in the 
Florida backwoods.  She said her husband saw one and got a picture of it, 
but it turned out to be one of the locals.

Gerry

From: "Randy Bennell" 

Careful! There are folks out there with guns.
Randy

On 27/08/2012 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Time to get the sasquatch suit out.  You could still have loads of fun 
with one of these even if you couldn't get to the SD card.


Dan


On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Tim C wrote:

My camera has a lock hook.  Since mine is the cheapest there is I 
assumed

this was standard.

I use it for shed security, btw.

Best,
Tim
On Aug 26, 2012 11:18 PM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] SALUTE!

[Gerry Archer]

Armstrong was apparently having pints of his blood drawn into plastic bags, 
the serum removed, and then the packed red blood cells transfused back into 
his circulatory system.  Having more red cells gives athletes a higher 
intake of oxygen and elimination of CO2; hence more endurance in races. 
Previously, this was not detectable since no foreign substances such as 
various drugs were used.  An international laboratory consortium found that 
small particles of the plastic the bags were made of went back into the 
circulatory system when this was done and they developed a test for these 
particles.  They tested Armstrongs blood which had been saved from the 
various events and found he had the plastic particles in his blood. 
Armstrong and his crew found out about this new evidence and decided not to 
continue with the trial.  If this test becomes widely used, there could be a 
number of awards withdrawn since this previously undetectable red cell 
packing technique is supposedly used by many endurance athletes.

Gerry

Interesting you mention Lance.  I understand he had ~500 doping tests and 
never once came up positive.  So I am wondering how our gummint agency has 
decided to delete his 7 TdF wins.


--R
On 8/25/12 11:37 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

Yeah unfortunately the other Armstrong seems to be in the deep end.

Hendrik
who is trying to remember than song about walking on the moon

On 26/08/12 12:56, Dieselhead wrote:

A respectful Salute, to the earth's  FIrst Man, Neil Armstrong!

If you have not read or hear the audio book, First Man, about Neil 
Armstrong, it is well worth while.







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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD front sunroof seal - anyone BTDT?

[Gerry Archer]

How did you eat it?  Well, never mind.  [:o)
Gerry

From: "Rich Thomas" 

My grannies used to make that KY jelly and it was mighty tasty.
--R

On 8/26/12 2:06 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

Astro Lube, Astrolube, Ky Jelly, ?
http://www.astrolube.com/products.php
Gerry

From: "Russ Williams" 

I used Astro Lube when I did the front seal on My 300SD.
It's water soluble and wont hurt the rubber.

Russ W
On 8/25/2012 23:03, andrew strasfogel wrote:

The body shop did a half assed job installing a new front sunroof seal
when they repainted my 1985 300TD. I can't complain tho, because they
didn't charge me either.  The seal doesn't grip tight against the
vertical metal edge because the rubber wasn't properly inserted into
the channel.  I need to pull it off and do it again the right way by
myself.  There is a trick to this job that involves the use of
silicone.  Anyone out there BTDT?

TIA,

Andrew

1983 300GD1985 300TD

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD front sunroof seal - anyone BTDT?

[Gerry Archer]

Astro Lube, Astrolube, Ky Jelly, ?
http://www.astrolube.com/products.php
Gerry

From: "Russ Williams" 

I used Astro Lube when I did the front seal on My 300SD.
It's water soluble and wont hurt the rubber.

Russ W
On 8/25/2012 23:03, andrew strasfogel wrote:

The body shop did a half assed job installing a new front sunroof seal
when they repainted my 1985 300TD. I can't complain tho, because they
didn't charge me either.  The seal doesn't grip tight against the
vertical metal edge because the rubber wasn't properly inserted into
the channel.  I need to pull it off and do it again the right way by
myself.  There is a trick to this job that involves the use of
silicone.  Anyone out there BTDT?

TIA,

Andrew

1983 300GD1985 300TD

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[MBZ] Bumpers. Was: 2006 VW Jetta 2.5 gas using coolant

[Gerry Archer]

Max Dillon wrote:
Forums were nearly useless. One jerk chastised a fellow with same 
question to purchase the $$$ manual, when the OP finally found the hidden 
screws, jerky boy chimed in with a hint that led me to realize that the 
entire front bumper cover, basically entire plastic face of the car, had 
to come off to reveal two hidden screws. Dozens of screws later the face 
was off, hidden screws removed, and radiator came right out.


So step one in any work near the front of the car is to remove the bumper 
cover?
My friend who owns a 2003 Jetta said something about having to remove the 
bumper to replace a headlight bulb, or maybe it was the cloudy plastic 
headlamp assembly. Either way, I was quite surprised when he mentioned 
bumper removal.

Mitch.

..
One reason I haven't bought one of the newer cars is the apparent absence of 
effective bumpers.

Quote:
"Bumpers are supposed to keep damage away from safety-related equipment such 
as headlights and taillights and protect vehicle parts such as hoods, 
fenders, and exhaust and cooling systems that are expensive to repair. When 
bumpers are poorly designed, these car body parts sustain most of the damage 
in parking-lot collisions and other low-speed impacts. Bills to fix 
fender-bender damage can add up to thousands of dollars fast, not to mention 
the hassle of getting repair estimates and waiting for your car to get out 
of the shop.
Insurance claims related to fender benders add up, too. This is reflected in 
the premiums consumers pay for auto insurance. More than $6 billion is paid 
out each year to cover claims of $4,500 or less, the kind of damage claims 
associated with low-speed collisions.1 Such huge damage costs are why it's 
important to equip passenger vehicles with bumpers that effectively reduce 
damage in low-speed collisions. Better bumpers mean less out-of-pocket costs 
for consumers and lower insurance costs."
http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/bumpers.html 



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Re: [MBZ] Clinical depression. was: occupying the deadly 3rd row.

[Gerry Archer]

On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:42 PM, "Mountain Man"  wrote:

Sorry for the recent
intrusion.


I don't see it as an intrusion per se. Depression, mental health,
employment, loss of employment, changing career paths, all viable topics,
if off topic. Politics, religion, and Jabba discussions should be taken to
Banned.
Rick


Agreed.  When our cars have no problems and the list is silent, nearly any
subject that's not seriously controversial should be allowed.
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Clinical depression. was: occupying the deadly 3rdrow.

[Gerry Archer]

Gerry wrote:

Persistent thoughts of suicide are probably the key symptom which
indicates
that a person should see a therapist.


You jumped to conclusions too fast.
There are zero persistent thoughts here.
Again - go read what Grant wrote - he got it spot on.
Thanks Gerry, Allan.
mao


I don't think anyone drew conclusions about your state of mind.  When
someone on an internet list mentions symptoms of a possibly deadly medical
problem, someone is likely to point out its possible seriousness.  The
person with the symptom can accept or reject a suggestion that they consult
a physician or therapist.  It's fortunate that you don't have persistent
thoughts of suicide.

IMO it's good to be tough minded like Grant, but even tough minded people
can be overwhelmed by lifes problems at times.
Gerry
P.S. I think it was Randy who first suggested that you consult someone about
suicidal thoughts.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Clinical depression. was: occupying the deadly 3rdrow.

[Gerry Archer]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 08:55 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:

G:  Some of the men who wear big boy pants are the most surprised of
anyone when they develop symptoms of depression.  Using willpower
to cure oneself is very effective but the person has to learn how
to use willpower.  That's why will-training groups such as those
listed on www.Recovery-Inc.com have been so effective for the past
75 years.  Many veterans with PTSD have regained their mental
health after learning will training.


I've heard a theory that depression is nature's way of telling us that 
something isn't working in our lives and we need to make a change.  It's 
not a "disease" at least not initially.  The problem in modern society is 
that many people feel, because of obligations, debts, social pressure, 
overprotective/controlling parents, etc. that they are unable to make a 
significant change in their personal lifestyle when they become unhappy 
with it, and so the depression deepens.  Interesting way to look at it, I 
think it makes some sense.
Of course, if you're at the point where you're seriously thinking of 
hurting yourself, you need more immediate, external help.  You can get to 
a point where it's very difficult to "will" your way out of the depression 
on your own.

Allan


Agreed, and for most patients who can't avoid the pressures of society, the 
only solution is changing their attitudes and reactions towards it.  This is 
the basis of the currently most popular method of treatment; cognitive 
behavioural therapy:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy

It's also the basis of many self-help groups since a professional is not 
needed.
CBT therapists divide the patients world into two parts: 1: Inner 
environment (their mind), and outer environment (everything outside their 
mind.  The patient gradually learns that they can seldom change "outer 
environment" but they can change "inner environment" by the use of CBT 
techniques which they learn.
Persistent thoughts of suicide are probably the key symptom which indicates 
that a person should see a therapist.

Gerry


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[MBZ] OT: Clinical depression. was: occupying the deadly 3rd row.

[Gerry Archer]

From: "G Mann" 

I object to the sudden logic that recognizing and accepting that no one
leaves this world alive somehow makes you "depressed".



Further, I object to the idea that just because we live in a financial
depression with near total lack of good leadership that we are personally
"depressed".


G:  Who said that?  Haven't heard those (logical?) assumptions before.


FFS... doesn't anybody own or wear big boy pants anymore?
Grant...


G:  Some of the men who wear big boy pants are the most surprised of anyone 
when they develop symptoms of depression.  Using willpower to cure oneself 
is very effective but the person has to learn how to use willpower.  That's 
why will-training groups such as those listed on
www.Recovery-Inc.com have been so effective for the past 75 years.  Many 
veterans with PTSD have regained their mental health after learning will 
training.

Gerry
..


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Mountain Man 
wrote:


Gerry wrote:
> I second that.

I'm not gonna spend those dollars for a professional.  Food is more
important than some $&*@! professional.
Yeah, some of that fits and the head needs a re-boot, for sure, but I
am doubtful that will happen.
Thanks for the kick, guys.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] W.M. Keck Observatory

[Gerry Archer]

Good luck, Craig.
Gerry

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>

We are rooting for you!



I mentioned earlier (on the 9th, to be exact) about finding a position in
Hawaii.

The position I found is a senior electronics engineer with the W. M. Keck
Observatory. This position involves preparing equipment for the
Observatory's two 10 meter telescopes. The telescopes are on the top of
13,796 foot Mauna Kea on the big island of Hawai'i. The Observatory's
headquarters are off the mountain at Kameula, HI.

I did some revision of my CV, wrote a cover letter, and applied for the
position on 16 August (a week ago).

I had not expected to hear anything about the postion, but I received a
phone call today from a person in the Observatory's Human Resources
Department. We talked for 25 - 30 minutes. He said if they choose to
continue considering me, the next step would be either a call from the
hiring manager if he needed more technical information or a panel phone
call from 3 or so people around a speaker phone over there. This is
exactly what happened for each of the four academic telephone interviews
I had.

So, we shall see how things develop. Please pray about this position with
me.

Thanks,

Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Clinical depression. was: occupying the deadly 3rd row.

[Gerry Archer]

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From: "Mountain Man" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clinical depression. was: occupying the deadly 3rd row.



Gerry wrote:

I second that.


I'm not gonna spend those dollars for a professional.  Food is more
important than some $&*@! professional.
Yeah, some of that fits and the head needs a re-boot, for sure, but I
am doubtful that will happen.
Thanks for the kick, guys.
mao

These meetings are run by people with the same problems as yours; no 
professionals; they are free, and they work.

http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/find-a-meeting.asp

This is the organization that has been growing worldwide since 1937:
http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/about/about-self-help-systems.asp

'nuff said,
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Re: [MBZ] Florida hurricane. was: List working today?

[Gerry Archer]

Don't know if Tampa Bays higher.  Left there in '56.  There was talk years
ago of closing it and selling the land, but now there's all kinds of
activity.
Gerry

From: "WILTON" 

Tampa Bay's a little higher now, isn't it?  While B-47's were stationed
there at MacDill AFB 50 to 60 years ago, so many went into the bay, Air
Force air crewmen had a saying, "One a day in Tampa Bay."
Wilton

From: "Gerry Archer" 

That's going to be a circus at the RNC if Isaac does hit Tampa, but when
they come up the west coast of Florida you never know where they might
turn in.  Tampa "has" been flooded by hurricane related storm surges as
during the 1921 hurricane:

"... In Tampa, much of the city was flooded, and three people were
killed in drowning incidents and flying debris.."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_Tampa_Bay_hurricane

Gerry.who was in two or three that affected the Tampa Bay area.


Dan Penoff  wrote:
Me too. Getting ready for the RNC *and* hurricane Isaac.
Woo-hoo!
Dan

On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Frederick Moir 
wrote:


It has got to be you, I'm working.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: [MBZ] List working today?

Or is it me?
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[MBZ] Clinical depression. was: occupying the deadly 3rd row.

[Gerry Archer]

OK Don wrote:

What part of "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" do you not
understand?



Very nice.
Very patriotic.
What part of robbery do we not grasp?
Don't count me saying robbery is the collective contribution for
roads, etc as has been hot politics lately.  However, whatever
happened, the prospect of another job for this old guy with skills
that have vanished is nil to none.  I will work - no problem.  Gimme
the opportunity to pursue life, liberty, happiness again.  But also
count me ready to accept 'die already' is just fine - something I
count as a civic responsibility within the moniker "Ask not what your
country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
Gotta go.
mao
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You might want to talk to someone about depression issues?
Randy
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I second that.  One out of every four Americans have some sort of 
psychological issue during their lifetime and it's often clinical 
depression.  Clinical depression is very treatable and not necessarily 
expensive.  Effective free treatment is also widely available.


Clinical depression symptoms may include:

Depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day
Loss of interest or pleasure in most activities
Significant weight loss or gain
Sleeping too much or not being able to sleep nearly every day
Slowed thinking or movement that others can see
Fatigue or low energy nearly every day
Feelings of worthlessness or inappropriate guilt
Loss of concentration or indecisiveness
Recurring thoughts of death or suicide

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/clinical-depression/AN01057

Gerry 



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[MBZ] Florida hurricane. was: List working today?

[Gerry Archer]

That's going to be a circus at the RNC if Isaac does hit Tampa, but when 
they come up the west coast of Florida you never know where they might turn 
in.  Tampa "has" been flooded by hurricane related storm surges as during 
the 1921 hurricane:


"... In Tampa, much of the city was flooded, and three people were 
killed in drowning incidents and flying debris.."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_Tampa_Bay_hurricane

Gerry.who was in two or three that affected the Tampa Bay area.


Dan Penoff  wrote:
Me too. Getting ready for the RNC *and* hurricane Isaac.
Woo-hoo!
Dan

On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Frederick Moir  
wrote:



It has got to be you, I'm working.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: [MBZ] List working today?

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Re: [MBZ] Does concentrated coolant have a shelf life?

[Gerry Archer]

It measures the acidity/alkalinity of solutions.  Dip the disposable paper
test strip in a solution and then compare it to a color scale.  Cheapest is
Walmart at about $5.00.  (Some Walmart stores don't have them but Walmart
mailorder does.)  Widely used for numerous applications; many manufacturers
make them.  As long as the Ph is between 7 and 11, the antifreeze is okay.
If you have a regular doctor, his nurse might be willing to test your
antifreeze for Ph with a strip that's used for urine.

There are special strips for different types of antifreeze which measure
additional characteristics but they are more expensive and probably not
needed for our purposes.  (Available at big truck/big equipment dealers and
some at NAPA.)
Gerry


Gerry wrote:

tested the ph with a urine ph test strip (ph was 9 or
10)...


Tell me more about this test strip - manufacturer name and cost.
Thanks.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] occupying the deadly 3rd row.

[Gerry Archer]

Simply buy two Mercedes of the same body style, weld the two front ends 
together, lengthen the driveshaft, and convert the empty engine compartment 
to a trunk.  That would give you three, or even four, rows of seats and the 
kids would have a fine time twisting the inoperative steering wheel while 
pretending to drive.  A side benefit would be that a careless driver who 
sees a car seemingly driving backwards down the road might be more careful.
Gerrywho might do that with his '83 300D and 240D for driving his 
great-grandchildren around when they arrive.  Comment?  [:o)


From: "Michael Canfield" 

Randy,
 That is exactly it.  What is the difference between a Civic and a MBZ
wagon?  I would almost prefer the wagon in a rear end collision.  With the
wagon maybe someone will be in the 3rd row if you have kids.  With the
Civic the rear will be used a lot more placing kids at higher risk more
often.
 Heck, maybe the rear facing seat is safer than a front facing 3rd row.
Just maybe, the rearmost passengers will see the accident coming and 
either

move or scream real loud so the driver can move out of harms way.
 I also own a one ton Ford conversion van.  I will sit in the rear of that
and take a collision over almost any modern car.  The rear sits high and
the bumper and frame in the van are very strong.  Gonna take one hell of a
hit to get to the passengers with anything but a semi or lifted 4x4.

Mike
On Aug 21, 2012 11:28 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


The problem with that statement is that one can be as careful as possible
and get run into by someone who is paying little or no attention or who 
is

but takes big chances on the road/

I suppose wagons with 3rd row seats are more dangerous for passengers in
those seats but the ones that make me nervous are the little hatchbacks
like Honda Civic etc. My younger son's girlfriend drives a nice little 
red

Civic 2 door hatchback.
Cute little car and mostly she is alone but I look at the back seat and
think I don't want to be in there if it gets hit from behind, especially 
if

the vehicle that hits it is a truck.

Randy

On 21/08/2012 7:55 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:


Just the typical US protect everyone from themselves attitude.  We all
should drive huge and heavy vehicles so when we are unlucky or just 
stupid

we can live on.  Never mind actually knowing how to drive and paying
attention to what is in front of you.

Mike
On Aug 20, 2012 7:39 PM, "Hendrik & Fay"  wrote:

 So you are saying that MB (and Volvo) engineered a death trap?

Well I am pretty sure when MB decided to build the S123 and thought it
would be handy to put a couple of extra seats in the back, that they
envisaged the possibility that the car could be involved in a rear end
collision.
They may even have done a few crash tests to determine what would 
happen

to the rear compartment in the event of a crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mIYDod-lk&NR=1

>
Also the fuel tank is designed to drop down but not hit the road.
The question is what is safer, having kids sit on laps without seat 
belts

or sit in the third row seat?

In regards to two trucks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrtOMLHx7cc

>

Hendrik
who owns a death trap

On 20/08/12 13:04, relng...@aol.com wrote:

 So then, what would happen to them in case of a rear end



collision is of no concern.

 Huh?  Of course what happens to them in a rear-end collision is

of concern.  But why limit the discussion to only that one kind? What
would
happen to them in a T-bone accident?  I suspect they
would be better off in the third seat. Or a head-on?  I'm sure they
would
be safer in the rear-facing
seat. What about Rollover? Rear-quarter? Front quarter? Space shuttle
pieces landing on top?  Underwater? So I guess I need to decide which
type of
collision I am going to
encounter and then choose the appropriate vehicle.

In a rear end collision in that vehicle the rear hatch is likely to be
crushed forward into the very area occupied by those 3rd seat 
occupants

and they
would be trapped until the crushed metal was removed.

  Or how they would escape in case of fire?
See previous answe.r

My suburban carries a large quantity of gasoline.  My wagon
carries diesel.  Therefore the danger from fire is _less_ in
the car with the rear-facing seats.

Why bring up your truck? Was this a comparison with it? Not by me.

So what fire are you referring to?  Where?  Caused by what?
Burning what?  And why is the rear hatch not opening?

Because the rear of the car will be crushed. And isn't the fuel tank 
aft

of
the axle under that seat?

What is the scenario where you feel a rear-facing 3rd seat is a
greater danger than a forward facing 3rd seat with reg

Re: [MBZ] Does concentrated coolant have a shelf life?

[Gerry Archer]

I had the same situation.  Couldn't find info on the web other than buying 
HOAT (GO-5) test strips from NAPA or truck dealers (somewhat expensive), so 
I shook up the jug, mixed a little 50-50 with distilled water in a glass, 
looked for cloudiness, tested the ph with a urine ph test strip (ph was 9 or 
10), and put the AF in the car.  was still okay after about 30K miles when 
hoses were replaced.  No sign of corrosion and Ph was still above 7.  Rule 
of thumb is Ph 7 to 11 is okay; 9 to 10.5 is ideal.  Drug and big box stores 
have Ph test strips for about five dollars up (five dollars at Walmart).  I 
don't think you can use "green AF" test strips for HOAT AF.

Gerry

From: "Allan Streib" 

I have a couple of jugs of undiluted genuine MB coolant, but they are at
least 5, maybe close to 10 years old.  Any reason not to use it?
Allan
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] To ejamacat woger WAS:Ages

[Gerry Archer]

Darn!  Wish I'd known that back then when I drove a '35 Chevy.  The only 
thing I remember using kerosene for was "car polish" when mixed with motor 
oil.  If those of us who had the use of a car had a Saturday night date, we 
would often go over the car with that mixture which made it nice and shiny. 
But if we took our date down the dusty dirt road to lovers lane, the car was 
an awful looking sight by the time we got back.

Gerry

From: "WILTON" 

Oh, yes, we also grew a big "Victory" garden.
For fuel in the '37 Ford, we used 5 gallons of gasoline "stretched" with 
about a gallon and a half of kerosene.  'Didn't remember the ratio, so I 
just called my brother who was the family driver at that time to remind 
me.

We went down the road laying a thin smoke screen behind us.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: [MBZ] To ejamacat woger WAS:Ages



>..The WWII generations, my parents and grandparents, aunts and uncles

 and millions like them, Gerry and Wilton did amazing things from 1941
 to 1946.  Let us, and younger generations learn from the mistakes
 made in the early 1900s, and the 1930s and never repeat them...


Weren't both of them in elementary school during those years?

RLE
 >



I know... futile, because the first element of learning is a willing 
student


Read this: http://www.qconline.com/progress99/2ration2.shtml

It details many of the war effort contributions of kids,  Scrap drives 
for tin, aluminum, steel,  iron, rubber and other things. Collecting 
cooking grease for ammunition. Collecting and mending clothing items. 
Remember the GI was not outfitted for extreme cold, so socks, scarves, 
longjohns and other stuff was appreciated by the soldiers.


The article does not mention the penny drives where kids raised 
significant amounts of money



From 
http://www.nationalww2museum.org/learn/education/for-students/ww2-history/america-goes-to-war.html


""Save Waste Fat for Explosives"
Ammunition for rifles, artillery, mortars, and other weapons was one of 
the most important manufacturing priorities of World War II. A key 
ingredient needed to make the explosives in much ammunition was 
glycerine.
To help produce more ammunition, Americans were encouraged to save 
household waste fat, which was used to make glycerine. Other household 
goods,including rags, paper, silk, and string,were also recycled. This 
was a home front project that all Americans could join."

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

[Gerry Archer]

I remember the boots.  Sister loaned me her '35 Chevy because she couldn't 
find tires for it.  Got by with small boots and many flats until I managed 
to get a couple of "full boots".  Then we had to check the tires every day 
to be sure the tire fabric hadn't worn through and started wearing the boot. 
Two BILs were overseas; one a motor pool mechanic in Germany and the other a 
bomb demo engineer in the Pacific islands.  Twenty some odd in his group 
went over and 9 came back.  He was never the same after the war.  Today he 
would probably be diagnosed with PTSD.

Gerry


From: "WILTON" 
I was only 10 in '44, but I clearly remember the all-out, totally committed 
effort; 'also remember our deep hatred for Hitler and Tojo (Jap premier). 
3 of my brothers were in the "thick of it" from beginning.
Speed limit was 35 mph.  BTW, I still have my ration book for food stuff, 
shoes, etc.

Helped brother put blowout boots in tires coupla times.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Gerry Archer" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?


I was 14 in 1944 when this took place at the Chesapeake and Ohio main 
office in Richmond, Va.  WW-2 was "total" war.  Resources were strained 
everywhere and workers were scarce because most of the men up to 35 were 
in the army or working in defense plants.  All the railroad telegraphers 
at the C&O were probably in their 60s or older, so I suspect they might 
have been called out of retirement to man the railroads communication 
system. Back then nearly everything moved by rail; people, war materiel, 
troops, domestic freight, etc.

Gerry

From: "ernest breakfield" 
well, how old *is* Gerry? the version of code we learned and use was 
standardized in the 1860s,...;-P


understand that Western Union hung on to the old version into the 
1920s and maybe a little later (since they were mostly only talking 
amongst themselves on the wires), but the point is that even that had 
long and short dashes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amercode.png

you're not going to find the old 'American Morse Code' anywhere now 
but in Museums or those games where people dress up and try to reenact 
some historical event.



cheers!
e

On 20/Aug/12 14:25, Fmiser wrote:

Gerry Archer wrote:

The "original" Morse code was far more interesting to
transmit and receive. There was no tone; only clicks.

ernest breakfield wrote:

"original" Morse code?
"clicks"?

  sounds like a common misconception; reality is that Morse
code is made up of signals of varying length and timing (be
they sent by tone, or light). it's possible to use tones to
substitute for short or long signals,

Gerry is correct.  Telegraph morse code (later called "american
code", or "railroad code") is clicks only.  It is the sound of
the solenoid that originally marked a paper tape. Operators
learned to copy by sound only and skip the paper tape.  That was
in the 1840s.  The is a dash in the American code, but the way
it sounds on a sounder is not at all dash-like to CW operators.
The "clunk" of the release is a bit different sounding that the
"click" of pull-in and the time between them is the difference
between a dot and a dash.  Actually, initially there was two
lengths of dashes.


but reading code of just identical "clicks" would be difficult
at best, but more likely, impossible. imagine; how would you
be able to identify a "click" as a Dit (e) or a Dah (t)?

Heh.  Tell that to the many thousands of railroad telegraphers.
The did it for over a hundred years!  Not each one of them, of
course - but as a whole. *smiles*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Morse_code
http://33rdwis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=33reenact&action=print&thread=207
http://www.w5sf.com/n0hff_morse_article/c19a.htm

This site has some sound files
http://www.normanfield.com/morse.htm

http://www.normanfield.com/mercury.mp3
http://www.normanfield.com/hmvb789a.mp3

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

[Gerry Archer]

I was 14 in 1944 when this took place at the Chesapeake and Ohio main office 
in Richmond, Va.  WW-2 was "total" war.  Resources were strained everywhere 
and workers were scarce because most of the men up to 35 were in the army or 
working in defense plants.  All the railroad telegraphers at the C&O were 
probably in their 60s or older, so I suspect they might have been called out 
of retirement to man the railroads communication system.  Back then nearly 
everything moved by rail; people, war materiel, troops, domestic freight, 
etc.

Gerry

From: "ernest breakfield" 
well, how old *is* Gerry? the version of code we learned and use was 
standardized in the 1860s,...;-P


understand that Western Union hung on to the old version into the 
1920s and maybe a little later (since they were mostly only talking 
amongst themselves on the wires), but the point is that even that had long 
and short dashes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amercode.png

you're not going to find the old 'American Morse Code' anywhere now 
but in Museums or those games where people dress up and try to reenact 
some historical event.



cheers!
e

On 20/Aug/12 14:25, Fmiser wrote:

Gerry Archer wrote:

The "original" Morse code was far more interesting to
transmit and receive. There was no tone; only clicks.

ernest breakfield wrote:

"original" Morse code?
"clicks"?

  sounds like a common misconception; reality is that Morse
code is made up of signals of varying length and timing (be
they sent by tone, or light). it's possible to use tones to
substitute for short or long signals,

Gerry is correct.  Telegraph morse code (later called "american
code", or "railroad code") is clicks only.  It is the sound of
the solenoid that originally marked a paper tape. Operators
learned to copy by sound only and skip the paper tape.  That was
in the 1840s.  The is a dash in the American code, but the way
it sounds on a sounder is not at all dash-like to CW operators.
The "clunk" of the release is a bit different sounding that the
"click" of pull-in and the time between them is the difference
between a dot and a dash.  Actually, initially there was two
lengths of dashes.


but reading code of just identical "clicks" would be difficult
at best, but more likely, impossible. imagine; how would you
be able to identify a "click" as a Dit (e) or a Dah (t)?

Heh.  Tell that to the many thousands of railroad telegraphers.
The did it for over a hundred years!  Not each one of them, of
course - but as a whole. *smiles*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Morse_code
http://33rdwis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=33reenact&action=print&thread=207
http://www.w5sf.com/n0hff_morse_article/c19a.htm

This site has some sound files
http://www.normanfield.com/morse.htm

http://www.normanfield.com/mercury.mp3
http://www.normanfield.com/hmvb789a.mp3

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

[Gerry Archer]

> Gerry Archer wrote:
>
> The "original" Morse code was far more interesting to
> transmit and receive. There was no tone; only clicks.



ernest breakfield wrote:

"original" Morse code?
"clicks"?

 sounds like a common misconception; reality is that Morse
code is made up of signals of varying length and timing (be
they sent by tone, or light). it's possible to use tones to
substitute for short or long signals,


Gerry is correct.  Telegraph morse code (later called "american
code", or "railroad code") is clicks only.  It is the sound of
the solenoid that originally marked a paper tape. Operators
learned to copy by sound only and skip the paper tape.  That was
in the 1840s.  The is a dash in the American code, but the way
it sounds on a sounder is not at all dash-like to CW operators.
The "clunk" of the release is a bit different sounding that the
"click" of pull-in and the time between them is the difference
between a dot and a dash.  Actually, initially there was two
lengths of dashes.


but reading code of just identical "clicks" would be difficult
at best, but more likely, impossible. imagine; how would you
be able to identify a "click" as a Dit (e) or a Dah (t)?


Heh.  Tell that to the many thousands of railroad telegraphers.
The did it for over a hundred years!  Not each one of them, of
course - but as a whole. *smiles*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Morse_code
http://33rdwis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=33reenact&action=print&thread=207
http://www.w5sf.com/n0hff_morse_article/c19a.htm

This site has some sound files
http://www.normanfield.com/morse.htm

http://www.normanfield.com/mercury.mp3
http://www.normanfield.com/hmvb789a.mp3

--Philip


Sister had a "bug".  A telegraph "key" moved up and down; a bug moved side 
to side.
IIRC if you moved the bug to the right there was one click, which was a 
dash.  If you moved it to the left there were rapid fire clicks which were 
dots; the number depending on how long you held it to the left.  Spacing of 
the clicks told the listener what letter was being sent.  The bug was all 
mechanical with a spring versus weight bouncing the contacts together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraph_key
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Lost again?

[Gerry Archer]

The "original" Morse code was far more interesting to transmit and receive. 
There was no tone; only clicks.  Sister worked as a (Multiplex?) operator 
for the C & O railway in Richmond during WW-2 with a randy group of old 
telegraphers who were still using the original Morse.  She was a fast typist 
and would send more messages per shift (8 or 900) than the table of "bug 
clickers" combined would send.  I tried to learn it at age 13-15 but our 
visit was soon over and we went back to Indiana.

Gerry

From: "WILTON" 

Oops!  That was 52 years ago, not 62.
Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?


BTW, in my very early days of flight training 62 years ago, including 
Morse code, I was in bathroom at home one evening, when I realized I did 
not have adequate supply of toilet tissue.  I began to send oral distress 
signal to SWMBO with appropriate high-pitched tone, "Dit, dit, dit - dah, 
dah, dah - dit, dit, dit; dit, dit, dit - dah, dah, dah - dit, dit, dit, 
etc."  After about three transmissions, SWMBO came running and asking, 
"What is it?"  I replied, that's and international distress signal - 
SOS - I need toilet tissue, please."  She learned well; the signal has 
come in handy for that many other "distress" situations around the house 
and yard. Her response continues to be immediate.


'Never used Morse code in Air Force, though.  'Used a little more in 
puddle jumper (Cessna) flying; 'tune in a  VOR, etc., station for 
navigation aid or approaching an airport and often first get the three 
letter identifier in Morse code; I was usually able catch the first 
letter and have to wait for second transmission to catch second letter, 
third trnx for third letter, etc., and wait for it in English to be 
really sure. Most annoying was Tiverton, OH; I'd tune it in, turn the 
volume up, listen to the Morse, and, suddenly, the woman's very shrill 
voice would squeal loudly into my ear, "TIVERTON VOR!!!"


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?



Oh, and "Say, again."  'Don't remember ever saying, "Willco."  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?


Yep, but I always used the terms "loud and clear," "breaking up," 
"weak," "garbled," "Roger," etc.   ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost again?


Ah, ok, thanks. I was using what the Navy taught me, figuring that 
Wilton was probably taught something similar.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Craig  wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:49:23 -0400 Max Dillon 


wrote:


5 by 5 refers to signal strength (how loud on a scale of 1 to 5) and
clarity, meaning "loud and clear". 1 by 1 would mean "can hear that
you're transmitting but can't understand you."

What would 9 mean?


See http://www.hamuniverse.com/rst.html

R = READABILITY
1 -- Unreadable
2 -- Barely readable, occasional words distinguishable
3 -- Readable with considerable difficulty
4 -- Readable with practically no difficulty
5 -- Perfectly readable

S = SIGNAL STRENGTH
1 -- Faint signals, barely perceptible
2 -- Very weak signals
3 -- Weak signals
4 -- Fair signals
5 -- Fairly good signals
6 -- Good signals
7 -- Moderately strong signals
8 -- Strong signals
9 -- Extremely strong signals

T = TONE
1 -- Sixty cycle a.c. or less, very rough and broad
2 -- Very rough a.c. , very harsh and broad
3 -- Rough a.c. tone, rectified but not filtered
4 -- Rough note, some trace of filtering
5 -- Filtered rectified a.c. but strongly ripple-modulated
6 -- Filtered tone, definite trace of ripple modulation
7 -- Near pure tone, trace of ripple modulation
8 -- Near perfect tone, slight trace of modulation
9 -- Perfect tone, no trace of ripple or modulation of any kind


So 5 by 9 is "Perfectly Readable" "Extremely Strong Signals"


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Re: [MBZ] on topic 300td

[Gerry Archer]

Acetone/ATF is pretty good, but IMO good quality lacquer thinner/ATF is 
better.  It worked well on some brake lines that seemed impossible.
Lacquer thinner is a combination of toluene, xylene, and MEK (methyl ethyl 
keytone).  Cheap lacquer thinner found in stores like Lowes, Home Depot, and 
Walmart will often contain cheaper and less effective solvents.  Regular 
paint stores usually have better quality lacquer thinner.  I wonder if Mopar 
has any of the solvents found in lacquer thinner?

Gerry

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
Might be wise to soak the flare nuts with your choice of effective rust 
buster for 1-7 days ahead of time.  I am still a believer in the mopar 
stuff.  I think it is better than the ATF/acetone treatment.



Very clear  directions - thanks!  I'm flattered you think me capable
of doing this job.  Far from it, although my French pal down the block
performs all the own heavy duty work on his W113 280SL and W111 280SE
3.5 coupe.  This comprises engine and axle R/R and the modifications
they entail to other systems.  I could show him the list of steps and
we could easily do the job together, he doing the work and me handing
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Re: [MBZ] Not a haggis fan

[Gerry Archer]

...Roger must be a Scot.
Gerrypart Scot..


I'm a Norwegian. Pass the herring.
RLE


Out of herring.  How about some lutefisk?  [:o)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefisk#Humor

Gerry...who has never eaten lutefisk, has eaten Vietnamese nuoc mam, but 
won't do it again.
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Re: [MBZ] Worth watching

[Gerry Archer]

Is that why you're so polite and well behaved? [:o)
Wonder if Dans ever eaten Haggis?
Gerry

From: "WILTON" 

My SWMBO is Scottish - a strawberry blonde McGregor.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Worth watching



"If it's not Scottish, it's cp!"

Dan Minister of Haggis


On Aug 18, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:



Roger must be a Scot.
Gerrypart Scot


relng...@aol.com wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] GL fixing

[Gerry Archer]

Thanks.  Not too bad.
Gerry

From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

About 500 or so

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2012, at 10:00 AM, "Gerry Archer"  
wrote:


How much did the dealer laptop system cost?  If I know my daughter, when 
she buys a new MB (which might be soon),  I'll "inherit" her GL320cdi. 
She's a world class packrat (she knows it) and hates to let anything she 
likes leave family ownership.  I'll need one of those then.

Gerry

From: "OK Don" 
o -- bring it when you come visiting - maybe we can narrow down 
the
EGR error that lights up the CEL in the ML when you let off the gas at 
50

mph.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
wrote:



I have the dealer laptop system

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2012, at 11:42 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

>> ..Why is that? End of the day the principles are the same it's just 
>>  >> the

>> tools and the cost of parts is different...
>>
> Because identifying iffy electronics is done by plugging in a dealer
laptop
> and reading the real trouble codes. The cost of service and repair > 
> parts
> when sourced in the aftermarket takes the sting out of MB service > 
> costs.

>
> As one glowing example, the MANN activated charcoal cabin air filter
costs
> about 60 bucks at the dealer and about 16 bucks elsewhere. Same ratio
with
> engine air and oil filters. And M1 0W40 can periodically be found on
sale for
> about six bucks per quart.
>
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] GL fixing

[Gerry Archer]

How much did the dealer laptop system cost?  If I know my daughter, when she 
buys a new MB (which might be soon),  I'll "inherit" her GL320cdi.  She's a 
world class packrat (she knows it) and hates to let anything she likes leave 
family ownership.  I'll need one of those then.

Gerry

From: "OK Don" 
o -- bring it when you come visiting - maybe we can narrow down 
the

EGR error that lights up the CEL in the ML when you let off the gas at 50
mph.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
wrote:



I have the dealer laptop system

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2012, at 11:42 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

>> ..Why is that? End of the day the principles are the same it's just 
>> the

>> tools and the cost of parts is different...
>>
> Because identifying iffy electronics is done by plugging in a dealer
laptop
> and reading the real trouble codes. The cost of service and repair 
> parts
> when sourced in the aftermarket takes the sting out of MB service 
> costs.

>
> As one glowing example, the MANN activated charcoal cabin air filter
costs
> about 60 bucks at the dealer and about 16 bucks elsewhere. Same ratio
with
> engine air and oil filters. And M1 0W40 can periodically be found on
sale for
> about six bucks per quart.
>
> RLE
>
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Re: [MBZ] GL pricing and fixing

[Gerry Archer]

Bought a pair of rebuilt front calipers from Rusty.  Started to bleed them 
and none of my metric wrenches would fit the bleeder valve.  Turned out it 
was SAE (NF) or NC.  The rebuilder had apparently drilled out the old 
threads and rethreaded to fit the "American" bleeder valves.  No problems, 
though; the calipers work well.

Gerry

From: "OK Don" 

My ML seems to be all metric, but I've not checked on some of the USA
sourced parts, like the transfer case. The Plymouth van has both metirc 
and

SAE fasteners - can be frustrating, having to bring an assortment of both
out to the car.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Fmiser  wrote:


> Hendrik & Fay wrote:

> Which makes me wonder, if a Merc is assembled in the US of A
> is it made out of imperial nuts and bolts or metric?

Odd as it may seem, automobiles have been using metric since the
mid 1980's.  For a few years there it was a bit annoying though
as some fasteners were metric and some SAE (fractional inch).
So the bolts holding the alternator bracket to the block are
SAE, but the bolt through the bracket into the alternator is
metric.

Kinda like dealing with Whitworth fasteners.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Worth watching

[Gerry Archer]

Roger must be a Scot.
Gerrypart Scot


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

[Gerry Archer]

Closest number:
This is actually quite rare, a prewar B&D original neck five-string. This 
was made after the original company was bought out by Gretsch and it bears a 
Gretsch tailpiece. The resonator is crystal pearloid shaded from silver to 
the color of a Kalua and Cream Sombrero. The peghead is pearloid and the 
brand and model are eyched and painted in light pink. It has old timey tone 
sounding like a loud open back. The Banjo was purchased around 1996 from 
Mandolin Brothers Ser # 6812

http://www.banjobuyer.com/banjo/30168

..There were some later non-SilverBell models, developed in the early 
thirties, that also caried the "B&D" brand (Seniorita comes to mind). And 
some of the late Gretsch Silver Bells had only "Bacon" on the peghead..

http://www.whitetreeaz.com/vintage/banjomfg.htm

Upon closer look, it's actually a B&D (Bacon & Day) made for Gretsch with 
a serial number 5897.

Hmm.
Dan

On Aug 16, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Got a Gretsch "Senorita" banjo in the closet that the wife has said to 
sell.  Can't find much on these on eBay or other online sales sites.


Anyone know anything about them and possible values?

Thanks,

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Gretsch Banjo

[Gerry Archer]

http://www.banjo-brands.com/manufacturer.php?ID=1779

From: "Dan Penoff" 
Got a Gretsch "Senorita" banjo in the closet that the wife has said to 
sell.  Can't find much on these on eBay or other online sales sites.

Anyone know anything about them and possible values?
Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

[Gerry Archer]

"Gerry Archer"  writes:

Leaf [in] the stop and go of typical rush hour traffic caused her to

regularly run out of electricity and have to be towed home.

How long was her commute?  Sounds like they bought the car being
optimistic about range.  The Leaf is good for less than 50 miles in
heavy stop and go traffic.
Allan


I don't think they were optimistic.  I think he calculated the actual 
mileage of the Leaf at about 70 miles, and her round trip commute was 
something a good bit less.  What they didn't count on was the possibility 
that the rules on the bus lanes might be changed, but then they live 
California where authorities some times do inexplicable things.  He already 
had a Prius and he's retired, so she now drives the Prius and he drives the 
Leaf.
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Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

[Gerry Archer]

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Gerry Archer  
wrote:
I once heard something about after market unauthorized conversions so 
Prius'
could be plugged in, but haven't heard anything about them for a long 
time.


There were a couple that exploded.

There are shops in various places (one of them is in Raleigh) that
does aftermarket conversions.  They are expensive, the batteries are
killer.


Is Toyota coming out with a plug-in?


Rumor has said yes for a few years now, but... YMMV. :)

Realistically I think the Volt model is better conceptually than a
full hybrid+plugin, and the Leaf even better if you don't need to
travel far.

Best,
-Tim

I have friends who have a Volt and a Leaf respectively.  The Volt owner is 
happy with his since it has a gasoline motor, but the Leaf owner, who bought 
it for his wifes travels to and from work is unhappy.  Everything worked out 
well when the Leaf was allowed to drive in the bus lane both directions, but 
then the powers that be decided to bar electrics from the bus lane.  The 
stop and go of typical rush hour traffic caused her to regularly run out of 
electricity and have to be towed home.  Problem with the Volt is that it is, 
or was, about $10K more than the Prius or the Leaf.
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Re: [MBZ] I buy a gl

[Gerry Archer]

Based on my experience with air, I don't like a typical "medical air 
cushion".  They seem to apply maximum pressure to all the areas they contact 
and tend to be "rolly".  The cross pieces that support the springs were 
broken on my 300D, so I simply spliced them with steel rods or bars, I 
forget, fastened them with multiple wire ties, and put on a new pad from 
Rusty.  That was about nine years ago and the seat is still okay.

Gerry

To clarify I'm not looking for a pillow or cushion to put on top of the 
seat... I'm thinking of an airbag under the seat that would support it 
like the (now broken) springs used to.  Inflation would allow for 
adjustment to taste, like those air-adjustable mattresses.



On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 02:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
With a hip that's painful at times, I've tried air, foam latex, and 
"memory

foam".  Memory foam seems to be the most comfortable.  Walmart has memory
foam pillows for about $10 or $15.  Mercedes seats in good condition seem 
to

be the best.
Gerry

From: "OK Don" 
>I saw inflatable wheelchair cushions in a Tailwind last month - looked 
>like

> they might be a good idea.
>


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Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

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- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Gerry Archer  
wrote:

That's probably part of it along with the difference in gallons.
Gerry


At least the early Prius was designed for minimum emissions, not
maximum fuel economy.  There were tweakers who would optimize the
firmware and got better mileage.  It is possible that the toy company
tweaked the parameters for certain markets themselves, it was all
software.

Now the tweakers are switched to plugin so that's not comparable. :)
-Tim

I once heard something about after market unauthorized conversions so Prius' 
could be plugged in, but haven't heard anything about them for a long time. 
Is Toyota coming out with a plug-in?
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Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

[Gerry Archer]

That's probably part of it along with the difference in gallons.
Gerry

From: "OK Don" 

More urban and less highway driving? All of Europe is the size of what,
Texas?

On Thursday, August 16, 2012, Gerry Archer wrote:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/**motoring/picturegalleries/**
9475580/The-10-cheapest-**hybrid-cars.html?frame=2310219<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/9475580/The-10-cheapest-hybrid-cars.html?frame=2310219>

How does a gasoline powered Prius get 69 mpg in Europe and only 51 mpg in
the U.S.?
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] I buy a gl

[Gerry Archer]

With a hip that's painful at times, I've tried air, foam latex, and "memory 
foam".  Memory foam seems to be the most comfortable.  Walmart has memory 
foam pillows for about $10 or $15.  Mercedes seats in good condition seem to 
be the best.

Gerry

From: "OK Don" 

I saw inflatable wheelchair cushions in a Tailwind last month - looked like
they might be a good idea.


Fmiser > writes:
> I think he is referring to the suspension air springs - not the
> inflate-on-impact kind.

A bit of a tangent but I was thinking of trying to find some inflatable
cushions to put in the seat bottom of the driver's seat on my 300SD.  A
couple of the springs are broken and it pretty much collapses when you
sit on it.  A PO stuffed a couple of mattress spring coils in there but
they aren't doing much.  I've not been able to find replacement springs.
I thought if I could get a heavy-duty inflatable cushion fitted in there
it might do a good job.  Anyone got any ideas?
Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

[Gerry Archer]

Has anyone utilized the Consumer Reports "New Car Buying System"?  You call 
1-800-693-9582 with a detailed description of the car you want, and they 
give you a price that will allow a dealer a fair profit but without the 
add-on prep prices and other charges.  I think the charge is about $17xx.
Some people reject CU entirely, but I find that it often has good 
information when used in conjunction with other sources.  I've been using it 
since 1956 and saved a good bit of money by doing so while buying some very 
good products.


One buyer writes:
" I used the Consumer Reports car buying service. They give you all the 
actual numbers the dealer is working with. Holdback and all incentives, not 
to mention invoice prices make you an informed buyer. I was very happy with 
the deal I made in june '10.

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/222-yf-2011-sonata-i45/129603-consumer-reports-new-car-buying-system.html
Gerry


From: "WILTON" 
I hate the BS involved in trying to get the truth out of a stealership or 
used car salesman.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl


The point made in the articles I was reading about CarMax was that 
getting the best price was a sort of badge of honor for some people when 
it came to car buying. For those who don't like to or want to haggle, the 
idea that they paid more can be a negative from a social or competitive 
standpoint.


In other words, buying a car through a dealership can be a source of "one 
upsmanship" for some people, like it or not. If you don't get as good a 
deal as your neighbor did, you're somehow inadequate in some circles.


I love doing it, but it is physically and mentally exhausting. My Dad was 
an executive VP for General Motors for many years, and he considered it 
great sport. Of course, he got program cars, but he would buy cars for my 
Mom, which allowed him to "do some Arabing" as he called it.


Dan

On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Hertzing  wrote:


Curt -

I'm with you.  An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the 
seller
meet on an agreeable price.  Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, 
such

as quality and service.

Profit isn't a dirty word.  Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car 
and

then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they
have recieved from it.



Peter

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond  
wrote:



What does book have to do with it?

KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the 
lights

on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc.

We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any
profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own 
throats
at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is 
no
manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do 
it.


-Curt

Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:52:41 -0500
From: Donald Snook 
To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
Subject: [MBZ] Carmax and Re:  I buy a gl
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Kaleb wrote:  "Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted 
one
and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything 
even
have many 2012 mb's in stock. I found the one I wanted it was out of 
state,
they had is shipped here, no haggle did the deal out the door. Their 
prices

are usually a good bit under book and less that other dealers sell for.
When it arrived last week they discovered a problem with the air
suspension, so they took it to the mb dealer and paid about 2500 to fix 
it.

I am impressed with them. As it turns out the air bags do start leaking
after a whole but the system is pretty reliable. The bags are expensive
from the dealer but there is an aftermarket company that makes more 
heavy
duty bags for cheaper and they have a lifetime warranty. Also I will 
say I
can see why people like xenon headlights, this thing has them and they 
are

bright."

Sounds great!   I wish we had some pictures.  BUT, lets not get too
carried away with how great Carmax is.  It sounds like you got a good 
deal,
but they are NOT always under the book.  When my wife bought her 
charger,
we looked for Accords, Chargers, and Altimas.  We probably looked at 12 
of
them at the lot in Wichita and only ONE of them was under Kelly 
Bluebook.

I also had a friend that had a very specific requirement for a car.  It
had to be Black with leather seats and not an old person car.  I agree
their site is easy to navigate and the fact that they will ship it 
there is

pretty cool.  But, very few of the cars they found were under the book
value.  In fact, I argued with them that the prices were too high and 
they
stood their ground and said they do not negotiate.   My friend did not 
buy
a car from them even though they had a Black Altima with leather seats 
and
20,000 

Re: [MBZ] 1985 300CD Klima relay - where is it?

[Gerry Archer]

When I was a kid, my Uncle Henry lived with us after Aunt Ollie died.  He 
started tomatoes from seed in a pan full of dirt that he kept on the back 
porch and then transplanted them outside.  One day at dinner my mother was 
going on about how good Henrys tomatoes were until my father, who was a 
little bit jealous of Henry, told her what he watered them with.
Henry kept a coffee can by his bed that he wee-wee'd in during the night. 
In the morning before anyone else was up besides he and my father, he would 
dump it on the little tomato plants.

I don't think my mother ever ate another one of Henrys tomatoes.
Gerry

From: "andrew strasfogel" 

Yes, I now remember.  This may be why Rich has become
uncharacteristically reticent.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cat poop dermaders and pepper jelly





OMG, what did I promise as an incentive?

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:54 PM, WILTON  wrote:


 Yep, 'believe it was.  ATTABOY to you, too!


 > Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

[Gerry Archer]

I'd forgotten about Imperial gallons and the fact that they are about 20% 
larger.  Miles are the same, aren't they?

Thanks,
Gerry


They have bigger gallons and shorter miles

--R

On 8/16/12 8:18 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/9475580/The-10-cheapest-hybrid-cars.html?frame=2310219

How does a gasoline powered Prius get 69 mpg in Europe and only 51 mpg in 
the U.S.?

Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] I buy a gl

[Gerry Archer]

That car may turn out to be one of MBs better ones.  My daughter has the 
same car and the most expensive problem, among very few, that she has had is 
with the airbags that Kaleb describes.  Hers has about 140K IIRC.  Also, she 
drives it "hard"; wearing out brake pads and tires quite often.  She found 
that Michelins were the only tires that would last any length of time.

Gerry

From: "Max Dillon" 
Congrats on the purchase, looking forward to hearing good things about a 
modern MB diesel.

How many miles does it have?



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[MBZ] 69 mpg Prius

[Gerry Archer]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/9475580/The-10-cheapest-hybrid-cars.html?frame=2310219

How does a gasoline powered Prius get 69 mpg in Europe and only 51 mpg in 
the U.S.?
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[MBZ] Fw: : MINNESOTA CAR..2012 MODEL

[Gerry Archer]

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[MBZ] Actual Entries on Hospital Charts

[Gerry Archer]

She has no rigors or shaking chills, but her husband states she was very
hot  in bed last night.

Patient has chest pain if she lies on her left side for over a  year.

On the second day the knee was better, and on the third day it
disappeared.

The patient is tearful and crying constantly. She also appears to be
depressed.

The patient has been depressed since she began seeing me in 1993.

Discharge status: Alive but without my permission.

Healthy appearing decrepit 69-year-old male, mentally alert but 
forgetful.


The patient refused autopsy.

The patient has no previous history of suicides.

Patient has left white blood cells at another hospital.

Patient's medical history has been remarkably insignificant with only a
40-pound weight gain in the past three days.

Patient had waffles for breakfast and anorexia for lunch.

She is numb from her toes down.

While in ER, she was examined, x-rated and sent home.

The skin was moist and dry.

Occasional constant infrequent headaches.

Patient was alert and unresponsive.

Rectal examination revealed a normal-size thyroid.

She stated that she had been constipated for most of her life, until she
got  a divorce.

I saw your patient today, who is still under our car for physical 
therapy.


Both breasts are equal and reactive to light and accommodation.

Examination of genitalia reveals that he is circus sized.

The lab test indicated abnormal lover function.

The patient was to have a bowel resection. However, he took a job as a
stockbroker instead.

Skin: somewhat pale but present.

The pelvic exam will be done later on the floor.

Patient was seen in consultation by Dr. Blank, who felt we should sit on
the  abdomen, and I agree.

Large brown stool ambulating in the hall.

Patient has two teenage children but no other abnormalities.




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[MBZ] Luxury cars flunk new tougher crash test

[Gerry Archer]

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- For years, cars have been doing better and better in 
crash tests. Now, a tough new test by the Insurance Institute for Highway 
Safety has given a black eye to a number of luxury and near-luxury 
automakers.
Of 11 models tested, eight flunked a new test which is designed to mimic the 
most dangerous sort of frontal crash -- when a vehicle strikes another car 
or an object, such as a tree, with just a small portion of the front bumper.
Virtually all new cars in recent years have earned good ratings from the 
privately funded IIHS' crash tests, as automakers have worked to improve 
safety. So the IIHS created the new tougher test which is known as the 
"small overlap" impact.
"Nearly every new car performs well in other frontal crash tests conducted 
by the Institute and the federal government, but we still see more than 
10,000 deaths in frontal crashes each year," Institute president Adrian Lund 
said.
In the new front crash test, the vehicle, traveling at a speed of 40 miles 
per hour, hits a barrier with just a quarter of the driver's side bumper, 
concentrating the impact force in a small area and causing the vehicle to 
spin.
About a quarter of the 10,000 fatalities seen each year are caused by "small 
overlap" impacts, according to the Institute. These crashes can also cause 
severe foot and leg injuries as the car's front wheel is pushed back into 
passenger compartment.


The smaller impact area makes it harder for the car's steel structures to 
spread impact forces around the driver. The spinning motion after the impact 
also makes it harder for the car's airbags to protect occupants from hitting 
parts of the car's interior.
In current front impact tests, which will still be used along with the new 
test, 40% of the car's front bumper strikes the barrier. Financed by auto 
insurers the IIHS performs a regimen of crash tests that's different from 
tests performed by government safety regulators.


In the most recent round of IIHS results only Honda's (HMC) Acura TL and 
Volvo S60 earned the Institute's top rating of "good."
The Acura TSX, BMW 3-series, Ford's (, Fortune 500) Lincoln MKZ and 
Volkswagen (VLKAF) CC earned a rating of "marginal," the second-worst of 
four possible ratings.


The Mercedes-Benz C-class, Lexus IS and ES and the Audi A4 earned the worst 
rating, "poor," in the new test.


Most automakers with models that performed poorly in the tests pointed out 
that their cars still meet all federal safety standards and have done well 
in other crash tests. Automakers also pledged to work to do better in the 
test with future models.
"With this new test, the Institute has raised the bar again and we will 
respond to this challenge as we design new vehicles," said Brian Lyons, a 
spokesman for Toyota Motor Sales (), USA, which sells Lexus vehicles.


Mercedes-Benz objected to the new test.

"As a leader in automotive safety, we have full confidence in the protection 
that the C-Class affords its occupants -- and less confidence in any test 
that doesn't reflect that," the German automaker said in a statement.


http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/14/autos/luxury-cars-crash-test/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 



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Re: [MBZ] mercedes diesel engine

[Gerry Archer]

24 years; '83 240D 180K near perfect condition.
Gerry

From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Give a bit to think about that but off the top of my head probably the 
longest is a 76 240d had it about 15 years, still have not done the engine 
swap. My longest driver is probably my 92 300sd. Had it about 3-4 years I 
believe. Of course I have had several cars I have sold and later bought 
back kept for a while sold again and came back again


On Aug 13, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
Among the cars you own right now, what have you had the longest?  I'm at 
6

years for my '95 E320 wagon (although it'll be for sale soon) and over 4
years on my 79 300SD which I have no intentions of selling (except for a
nicer W116, maybe).

I've also had a '86 300SDL, '81 280E, and '83 380SEL come and go in the
last year... my latest daily driver is a '83 300D thats been mine since
February.  I'll keep it around for a while since I really like it.  And I
have a 280SE 4.5 on eBay now that I've had for about two months.

Jaime


On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
wrote:


I have had cars before I said I would keep forever, but things change 
and

something I want more comes along and I sell. But then again I have cadd
but not as bad as you.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  
wrote:



I think you made the right decision... if you want to keep this car for

the

long haul and keep it reliable, its a worthwhile investment!

Jaime


On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:04 PM, G. M. Brown 

wrote:




Regarding my search for a used 617.952 engine for my '85 300TD, since
there are so many scammers out there on the I-net, I decided to play 
it

safe and go with Metric Motors in Canoga Park, CA.  After this episode

is

all said and done, my bank account will have undergone a serious dent.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300CD Klima relay - where is it?

[Gerry Archer]

Has the pushbutton unit been resoldered or is that not a problem on the 
'85s?
The mechanical pushbutton switches malfunctioned on my '83 and caused the 
unit to burn up.
The used unit I bought had to be resoldered, so while it was apart I 
squirted some Deoxit on the switch contacts and lubricated the mechanical 
parts with oil (I forget which; synthetic or 3 in 1.)

So far it's coninued to work satisfactorily.
Gerry

From: "Rich Thomas" 

hmm, would a bad switch cause the klima to cause the compressor to cycle?

--R

On 8/13/12 2:17 PM, Fmiser wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
Check the low pressure switch, not sure where it is on your
car but on my old wagon it is lower left (looking from the
front) in front of the engine/wheel/next to radiator, sort
of.  That switch (among others too I guess) controls the
clutch on the compressor.

Not on an '85.  The KLIMA is in charge.  The pressure switch is
simply a data input for the KLIMA.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Lost again? Test

[Gerry Archer]

What would you like to talk about?  We could start a tire or oil discussion 
or evaluate the MBs on Craiglist and Ebay.  What are you doing for 
entertainment lately?  The local airport takes up pilots who aren't 
licensced and lets them fly if they show themselves to be capable.  Daughter 
bought me an hour for my birthday several years ago and it was fun.  The 172 
is easy to fly.  Of course, you may have already had more than enough 
flying.

Gerry

From: "WILTON" 

Maybe I'm shell shocked.
Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:27 AM
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Well, it came through; maybe I'm not lost.
Wilton

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From: "WILTON" 



Nothing from list this morning.  Anybody there?
Wilton



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[MBZ] Fish and People named Snook. was: Taylor University

[Gerry Archer]

Gerry wrote: "With two good fishermen in the family who could catch snook 
off Davis Island bridge nearly any time they wanted to, we lived on fish, 
potatoes, and a few vegetables that first year in Tampa."


I'm offended you would speak so casually about catching members of my 
family! :)  Just kidding.  I always forget about the fish called "Snook". 
It is odd to hear people talking about catching big snook.

Donald H. Snook


ROFL!  There are six Snook telephone numbers in this small county, but I 
don't recall ever meeting a person named Snook.  A check of Google shows 
that the Snook clan came over from various European countries in the 18th 
century and established themselves heavily in the northeast and not as 
heavily in Kansas and adjoining states.  Their most common profession was 
farming.  One website claims the name originated as "snoc" and later became 
"snoke", an outcropping of land.

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Snooks
Distribution of Snooks and other data:
http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=snook
About the fish and the submarines called snook
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_snook
Origin and funny stuff about fish called snook:
http://www.languagehat.com/archives/002545.php

Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] Taylor University

[Gerry Archer]

There have been white students and profs at FAMU ever since the end of 
segregation; not surprising since it is a state supported school.  Currently 
there seems to be talk of combining it with FSU, but don't hold your breath.

Gerry

From: "Dan Penoff" 
With all the press coverage of the FAMU band death, I was wondering to 
myself if an Anglo had ever applied to attend FAMU and if they were 
successful in doing so

Dan


On 07/08/2012 10:51 AM, WILTON wrote:

Randy, are you ready to take 'em on just for the fun of it?
Wilton



Easy for me to say. I am: a) far away; b) not a litigator; c) not 
qualified or permitted to practice down south etc.


But, I am still surprised that there are not a series of law suits 
against them just because etc.


Maybe there are?

Randy

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