Re: [MBZ] Brakes stop the vehicle well. Mechanic owned and maintained, excellent Mercedes-Benz E-Class - $2000 SCAM ALERT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Or left out a zero.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/pittsville-mechanic-owned-and/6807331217.html
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[MBZ] Brakes stop the vehicle well. Mechanic owned and maintained, excellent Mercedes-Benz E-Class - $2000 SCAM ALERT

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/pittsville-mechanic-owned-and/6807331217.html

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 01:42:57 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Did a front caliper on the Jetta today, the pads were still good but
> the caliper wouldn't release. I put in a new hose since the old one
> looked original. Only took me around an hour which I thought was okay.
> Interestingly a 15mm wrench which isn't included with the Harbor
> Freight kit I had in the garage would be quite handy. I had an
> adjustable that was good enough. I think the larger set I keep in my
> lantern rebuild kit has 15mm. I used my pressure brake bleeder for the
> second time. Boy I'm glad I bought that, bleeding brakes is so easy
> with the right tools...

Congratulations!


Craig

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[MBZ] Brakes!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did a front caliper on the Jetta today, the pads were still good but the 
caliper wouldn't release. I put in a new hose since the old one looked 
original. Only took me around an hour which I thought was okay. Interestingly a 
15mm wrench which isn't included with the Harbor Freight kit I had in the 
garage would be quite handy. I had an adjustable that was good enough. I think 
the larger set I keep in my lantern rebuild kit has 15mm.
I used my pressure brake bleeder for the second time. Boy I'm glad I bought 
that, bleeding brakes is so easy with the right tools...

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curley.

We all know that sterling has been devalued.

'Twas a joke. Obviously a poor one.

I'll try to do better. (Run for your life!)

TTFN

Fred.


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From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Curley McLain via 
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Sent: 02 September 2016 18:52
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

I was referring to the goober who worked on your brakes, twisting the
hose so it rubbed on the tire.   That is NOT "sterling work!"  Unless he
is a hit man.

  If he was a hit man, it was NOT "sterling work" either, because you
are still with us!
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I was referring to the goober who worked on your brakes, twisting the 
hose so it rubbed on the tire.   That is NOT "sterling work!"  Unless he 
is a hit man.


 If he was a hit man, it was NOT "sterling work" either, because you 
are still with us!



Fred Moir via Mercedes 
September 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
Curley

The only people to work on the brakes whilst the car has been in my 
possession was my usual repair shop.


They have done sterling work in the past and I hope that they will 
continue to do so, in the future, assuming that I have one.


Never saw myself as a goober.

You may just have a point though.


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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curley

The only people to work on the brakes whilst the car has been in my possession 
was my usual repair shop.

They have done sterling work in the past and I hope that they will continue to 
do so, in the future, assuming that I have one.

Never saw myself as a goober.

You may just have a point though.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Curley McLain via 
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Sent: 02 September 2016 04:03
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

I assume the same goober "fixed" it too!

> Jim Cathey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> September 1, 2016 at 10:47 PM
> With only 1 hose ruined, why wasn't the _other_ brake circuit (there are
> two) working?
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Jim.

They were.

I just wasn't prepared for the lesser braking effect.

By the time it dawned on me that the brakes were ineffective, the car was 
stopped.

Took about 5 seconds, seemed like a week.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
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Sent: 02 September 2016 03:47
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Cc: Jim Cathey
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

With only 1 hose ruined, why wasn't the _other_ brake circuit (there are
two) working?

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If a "loser" is a "looser"  then is a "hoser a
Hoosier?

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I assume the same goober "fixed" it too!
>
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>> September 1, 2016 at 10:47 PM
>>
>> With only 1 hose ruined, why wasn't the _other_ brake circuit (there are
>> two) working?
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I assume the same goober "fixed" it too!


Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
September 1, 2016 at 10:47 PM
With only 1 hose ruined, why wasn't the _other_ brake circuit (there are
two) working?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

With only 1 hose ruined, why wasn't the _other_ brake circuit (there are
two) working?

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.

Rarin' to go.

Fred


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Sent: 02 September 2016 02:55
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Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

Wow Fred. Glad you & your granddaughter  are,OK. So all set for the Q?

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nice! 

Glad you and your are here to relate the tale.  Another reason why I 
prefer to do stuff like brakes myself.   I thought I was getting to old 
for this stuff too, but decided I can't afford the alternatives.


So, I bought a dewalt battry op rattle wrench.  The first job I applied 
it to, taking wheels off a junk car, completely overwhelmed it.  But it 
turned out that with me standing on the 18" breaker bar, and jumping on 
the breaker bar would not work either.  I did get 10 of the bolts loose 
by beating on the handle of the breaker bar with a 2 lb LFH as hard as I 
could.  About 20 to 40 whacks with this "impact wrench" would break 
loose a lug bolt.  Well over 300 Ft Lb.  It woulda stripped any rice 
burner lug nut. (or merkun)  However with several other jobs since then 
where bolts are near the torque spec, the thing works a charm.  I love 
it.  It works better than any of the air rattle renches I have had, and 
is no where near as temperamental.   (and does not require oil in the 
air hose end.



Fred Moir via Mercedes 
September 1, 2016 at 8:49 PM
Had an interesting morning on tuesday.

Tuesday is take-my-granddaughter-to-breakfast day and we were in 
traffic, going by the rehab hospital when the traffic stopped for a 
red light.


Why are we not slowing down, SH*T no brakes! Managed to avoid the car 
in front by swerving into the gutter and stomping on the (Bloody 
Awkward) emergency brake and stopped. Whew.


With almost no brake fluid and only minimal rear braking, crept to 
NAPA for juice and slowly down the street to breakfast. Crept home again.


The people that I normally use to do the repairs that I don't want to 
do recently replaced the passenger caliper, both disks and pads in the 
front.


It appears that the mechanic (moron) who replaced the caliper, 
unscrewed the unit from the hose and re-threaded the new caliper onto 
the old hose.


Then twisted the caliper to fit against the mounting lugs. This left a 
curl in the hose that rubbed against the tyre, and, e viola, no 
F**G brakes!


They will get a present of the hose from me as a learning aid. New 
hoses installed by Fred.


I got hosed, even though it was suggested that a new pair of hoses 
would be a good idea.


I'm getting too old for this sh*t.



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Lynn MA.
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Wow Fred. Glad you & your granddaughter  are,OK. So all set for the Q?

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Sep 1, 2016 9:50 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Had an interesting morning on tuesday.
>
> Tuesday is take-my-granddaughter-to-breakfast day and we were in traffic,
> going by the rehab hospital when the traffic stopped for a red light.
>
> Why are we not slowing down, SH*T no brakes! Managed to avoid the car in
> front by swerving into the gutter and stomping on the (Bloody Awkward)
> emergency brake and stopped. Whew.
>
> With almost no brake fluid and only minimal rear braking, crept to NAPA
> for juice and slowly down the street to breakfast. Crept home again.
>
> The people that I normally use to do the repairs that I don't want to do
> recently replaced the passenger caliper, both disks and pads in the front.
>
> It appears that the mechanic (moron) who replaced the caliper, unscrewed
> the unit from the hose and re-threaded the new caliper onto the old hose.
>
> Then twisted the caliper to fit against the mounting lugs. This left a
> curl in the hose that rubbed against the tyre, and, e viola, no F**G
> brakes!
>
> They will get a present of the hose from me as a learning aid. New hoses
> installed by Fred.
>
> I got hosed, even though it was suggested that a new pair of hoses would
> be a good idea.
>
> I'm getting too old for this sh*t.
>
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

“You know, I bet there’s a lesson to be learned from all this.” - Sterling 
Archer


> On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looser...
> 
> 
> On 9/1/16 9:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Hoser...
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Fred Moir via 
>> Mercedes wrote:   Had an interesting morning on 
>> tuesday.
>> 
>> Tuesday is take-my-granddaughter-to-breakfast day and we were in traffic, 
>> going by the rehab hospital when the traffic stopped for a red light.
>> 
>> Why are we not slowing down, SH*T no brakes! Managed to avoid the car in 
>> front by swerving into the gutter and stomping on the (Bloody Awkward) 
>> emergency brake and stopped. Whew.
>> 
>> With almost no brake fluid and only minimal rear braking, crept to NAPA for 
>> juice and slowly down the street to breakfast. Crept home again.
>> 
>> The people that I normally use to do the repairs that I don't want to do 
>> recently replaced the passenger caliper, both disks and pads in the front.
>> 
>> It appears that the mechanic (moron) who replaced the caliper, unscrewed the 
>> unit from the hose and re-threaded the new caliper onto the old hose.
>> 
>> Then twisted the caliper to fit against the mounting lugs. This left a curl 
>> in the hose that rubbed against the tyre, and, e viola, no F**G brakes!
>> 
>> They will get a present of the hose from me as a learning aid. New hoses 
>> installed by Fred.
>> 
>> I got hosed, even though it was suggested that a new pair of hoses would be 
>> a good idea.
>> 
>> I'm getting too old for this sh*t.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I usually figure if anybody is going to screw it up I might as well screw it up 
myself...

Curt

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  On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 6:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:   As my father always said, "If you want something done right, do it
yourself."

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Had an interesting morning on tuesday.
>
> Tuesday is take-my-granddaughter-to-breakfast day and we were in traffic,
> going by the rehab hospital when the traffic stopped for a red light.
>
> Why are we not slowing down, SH*T no brakes! Managed to avoid the car in
> front by swerving into the gutter and stomping on the (Bloody Awkward)
> emergency brake and stopped. Whew.
>
> With almost no brake fluid and only minimal rear braking, crept to NAPA
> for juice and slowly down the street to breakfast. Crept home again.
>
> The people that I normally use to do the repairs that I don't want to do
> recently replaced the passenger caliper, both disks and pads in the front.
>
> It appears that the mechanic (moron) who replaced the caliper, unscrewed
> the unit from the hose and re-threaded the new caliper onto the old hose.
>
> Then twisted the caliper to fit against the mounting lugs. This left a
> curl in the hose that rubbed against the tyre, and, e viola, no F**G
> brakes!
>
> They will get a present of the hose from me as a learning aid. New hoses
> installed by Fred.
>
> I got hosed, even though it was suggested that a new pair of hoses would
> be a good idea.
>
> I'm getting too old for this sh*t.
>
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looser...


On 9/1/16 9:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Hoser...

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
  
   On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:   Had an interesting morning on tuesday.


Tuesday is take-my-granddaughter-to-breakfast day and we were in traffic, going 
by the rehab hospital when the traffic stopped for a red light.

Why are we not slowing down, SH*T no brakes! Managed to avoid the car in front 
by swerving into the gutter and stomping on the (Bloody Awkward) emergency 
brake and stopped. Whew.

With almost no brake fluid and only minimal rear braking, crept to NAPA for 
juice and slowly down the street to breakfast. Crept home again.

The people that I normally use to do the repairs that I don't want to do 
recently replaced the passenger caliper, both disks and pads in the front.

It appears that the mechanic (moron) who replaced the caliper, unscrewed the 
unit from the hose and re-threaded the new caliper onto the old hose.

Then twisted the caliper to fit against the mounting lugs. This left a curl in 
the hose that rubbed against the tyre, and, e viola, no F**G brakes!

They will get a present of the hose from me as a learning aid. New hoses 
installed by Fred.

I got hosed, even though it was suggested that a new pair of hoses would be a 
good idea.

I'm getting too old for this sh*t.



Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

As my father always said, "If you want something done right, do it
yourself."

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Had an interesting morning on tuesday.
>
> Tuesday is take-my-granddaughter-to-breakfast day and we were in traffic,
> going by the rehab hospital when the traffic stopped for a red light.
>
> Why are we not slowing down, SH*T no brakes! Managed to avoid the car in
> front by swerving into the gutter and stomping on the (Bloody Awkward)
> emergency brake and stopped. Whew.
>
> With almost no brake fluid and only minimal rear braking, crept to NAPA
> for juice and slowly down the street to breakfast. Crept home again.
>
> The people that I normally use to do the repairs that I don't want to do
> recently replaced the passenger caliper, both disks and pads in the front.
>
> It appears that the mechanic (moron) who replaced the caliper, unscrewed
> the unit from the hose and re-threaded the new caliper onto the old hose.
>
> Then twisted the caliper to fit against the mounting lugs. This left a
> curl in the hose that rubbed against the tyre, and, e viola, no F**G
> brakes!
>
> They will get a present of the hose from me as a learning aid. New hoses
> installed by Fred.
>
> I got hosed, even though it was suggested that a new pair of hoses would
> be a good idea.
>
> I'm getting too old for this sh*t.
>
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hoser...

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  On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
wrote:   Had an interesting morning on tuesday.

Tuesday is take-my-granddaughter-to-breakfast day and we were in traffic, going 
by the rehab hospital when the traffic stopped for a red light.

Why are we not slowing down, SH*T no brakes! Managed to avoid the car in front 
by swerving into the gutter and stomping on the (Bloody Awkward) emergency 
brake and stopped. Whew.

With almost no brake fluid and only minimal rear braking, crept to NAPA for 
juice and slowly down the street to breakfast. Crept home again.

The people that I normally use to do the repairs that I don't want to do 
recently replaced the passenger caliper, both disks and pads in the front.

It appears that the mechanic (moron) who replaced the caliper, unscrewed the 
unit from the hose and re-threaded the new caliper onto the old hose.

Then twisted the caliper to fit against the mounting lugs. This left a curl in 
the hose that rubbed against the tyre, and, e viola, no F**G brakes!

They will get a present of the hose from me as a learning aid. New hoses 
installed by Fred.

I got hosed, even though it was suggested that a new pair of hoses would be a 
good idea.

I'm getting too old for this sh*t.



Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.
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[MBZ] Brakes! Brakes!

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Had an interesting morning on tuesday.

Tuesday is take-my-granddaughter-to-breakfast day and we were in traffic, going 
by the rehab hospital when the traffic stopped for a red light.

Why are we not slowing down, SH*T no brakes! Managed to avoid the car in front 
by swerving into the gutter and stomping on the (Bloody Awkward) emergency 
brake and stopped. Whew.

With almost no brake fluid and only minimal rear braking, crept to NAPA for 
juice and slowly down the street to breakfast. Crept home again.

The people that I normally use to do the repairs that I don't want to do 
recently replaced the passenger caliper, both disks and pads in the front.

It appears that the mechanic (moron) who replaced the caliper, unscrewed the 
unit from the hose and re-threaded the new caliper onto the old hose.

Then twisted the caliper to fit against the mounting lugs. This left a curl in 
the hose that rubbed against the tyre, and, e viola, no F**G brakes!

They will get a present of the hose from me as a learning aid. New hoses 
installed by Fred.

I got hosed, even though it was suggested that a new pair of hoses would be a 
good idea.

I'm getting too old for this sh*t.



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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[clay monroe]

brakes were for Gump, w115.  Looks like for the most part pads and hoses would 
work, but the rotors are slotted on the SL and these (have not opened the box) 
are not

clay

On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Barry Stark wrote:

 Clay  -
 I don't believe that you told us what year 380SL you bought the set for. I
 checked the main parts between my '81 380SL and my '81 300SD and found that
 the rotors were the same, the pads were the same and the rear calipers were
 the same. The front calipers were different. So at least in '81 the brakes
 on the 107 and the 126 were very similar.
 
 Barry
 
 
 
 
 I ordered a brake set for Gump from Rusty.  Gump died prior to my
 installing the set.  What does the group opine as to transferability
 of said parts to a R107?
 
 Set consists of all rotors, pads, hoses and some small stuff.  Right
 now I am listing it on CL, but if I can use it, then I will put it
 back on the shelf
 
 
 clay
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[OK Don]

IIRC, for the 450SL, the rear pads will work, and probably the hoses. Not
sure about the disks. I don't know, but suspect that the 560SL has new
parts.

On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:10 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 I ordered a brake set for Gump from Rusty.  Gump died prior to my
 installing the set.  What does the group opine as to transferability of
 said parts to a R107?

 Set consists of all rotors, pads, hoses and some small stuff.  Right now I
 am listing it on CL, but if I can use it, then I will put it back on the
 shelf


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 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Dave in SoCal]

A backwards method I have used in the past is to log in to the EPC with the VIN 
you want to put parts on and run a 'part' search with the the part number you 
have. If applicable, a diagram will pop up, if not, a 'no part found' message 
appears. 

Did this for some 380SL rotors I had - my memory is faded but I believe the 
rears worked on a W123 but the fronts did not. Could be completely wrong, 
though — it was a good while back.

Dave


On Mar 24, 2012, at 9:10 PM, clay monroe wrote:

 I ordered a brake set for Gump from Rusty.  Gump died prior to my installing 
 the set.  What does the group opine as to transferability of said parts to a 
 R107?
 
 Set consists of all rotors, pads, hoses and some small stuff.  Right now I am 
 listing it on CL, but if I can use it, then I will put it back on the shelf
 
 
 clay 
 
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 


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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Barry Stark]

Clay  -
I don't believe that you told us what year 380SL you bought the set for. I
checked the main parts between my '81 380SL and my '81 300SD and found that
the rotors were the same, the pads were the same and the rear calipers were
the same. The front calipers were different. So at least in '81 the brakes
on the 107 and the 126 were very similar.

Barry




  I ordered a brake set for Gump from Rusty.  Gump died prior to my
  installing the set.  What does the group opine as to transferability
  of said parts to a R107?
 
  Set consists of all rotors, pads, hoses and some small stuff.  Right
  now I am listing it on CL, but if I can use it, then I will put it
  back on the shelf
 
 
  clay


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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Dieselhead]

May just be that one has ATE and the other has Giring.  If you swap 
the calipers, and possibly the hoses, they should interchange.  Pads, 
of course are related to the caliper Mfgr.  So if you have new 
calipers, hoses and pads, the whole shebang may swap out.




Clay  -
I don't believe that you told us what year 380SL you bought the set for. I
checked the main parts between my '81 380SL and my '81 300SD and found that
the rotors were the same, the pads were the same and the rear calipers were
the same. The front calipers were different. So at least in '81 the brakes
on the 107 and the 126 were very similar.

Barry



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[MBZ] Brakes

[clay monroe]

I ordered a brake set for Gump from Rusty.  Gump died prior to my installing 
the set.  What does the group opine as to transferability of said parts to a 
R107?

Set consists of all rotors, pads, hoses and some small stuff.  Right now I am 
listing it on CL, but if I can use it, then I will put it back on the shelf


clay 

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers






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Re: [MBZ] Brakes..

[RELNGSON]

 ..Proportioning valve sending full pressure to the rears?..
 
In a VW Beetle?

RLE
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] brakes

[RELNGSON]

 ...My '63 Beetle exhibited all kinds of odd steering and braking problems 
 when the rear shocks were bad, I wonder if your rear shocks are allowing 
 too much weight transfer to the front which contributes to locking up the 
 rear brakes?..
 
So your theory is that when the brakes are applied, the rear shocks lock up 
somehow to hold the back end down?

Better get a patent on this one.

RLE

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[MBZ] Brakes, again (300SD)

[Rich Thomas]

So I got the new caliper on and hooked up, and system bled as best I 
could (there seems to be a lot of air leakage around the bleed nipples) 
with new fluid.  The pedal feel is not a lot different from before, 
still seems to have about an inch of travel before getting much braking, 
and seems a bit soft though the brakes work OK.  Might this be a master 
cylinder issue, or is that just the way they are?


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes, again (300SD)

[Rolf]

 Check the bushing on the brake pedal where it meets the rod that goes 
into the booster. If this is missing or deteriorated then you get more 
travel before braking. Otherwise is sounds like you need to bleed more. 
Did you bleed all 4?


-Rolf

On 10/22/2010 7:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
So I got the new caliper on and hooked up, and system bled as best I 
could (there seems to be a lot of air leakage around the bleed 
nipples) with new fluid.  The pedal feel is not a lot different from 
before, still seems to have about an inch of travel before getting 
much braking, and seems a bit soft though the brakes work OK.  Might 
this be a master cylinder issue, or is that just the way they are?


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes, again (300SD)

[Rich Thomas]

Yes, all 4 in the proper sequence, twice.  I'm thinking I should put 
some teflon tape on the bleeders to seal up those threads a bit and keep 
the air from getting in my bleed tube (using a Mityvac), though I don't 
think it is going back into the calipers.  At first they were a bit 
mushy after I put on the new caliper and filled it and bled it a bit, so 
I went around the car again and then it was better, pretty much as it 
was before I started the exercise.


I'll take a look at the bushing, but the pedal does not seem to have 
play in it, just takes some travel to start brake engagement.  I guess 
they aren't touchy!


--R

On 10/22/2010 7:21 AM, Rolf wrote:
 Check the bushing on the brake pedal where it meets the rod that goes 
into the booster. If this is missing or deteriorated then you get more 
travel before braking. Otherwise is sounds like you need to bleed 
more. Did you bleed all 4?


-Rolf

On 10/22/2010 7:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
So I got the new caliper on and hooked up, and system bled as best I 
could (there seems to be a lot of air leakage around the bleed 
nipples) with new fluid.  The pedal feel is not a lot different from 
before, still seems to have about an inch of travel before getting 
much braking, and seems a bit soft though the brakes work OK.  Might 
this be a master cylinder issue, or is that just the way they are?


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes, again (300SD)

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Rich,

I suspect your bleeding method isn't working too well.  

I have the Power Bleeder which pressurizes the reservoir, if you'd like to
borrow it.  You'll need to make sure the two rubber sensor caps on top of
the reservoir are in good shape prior to pressurizing. 

The old school way of two people working together, one pressuring via
pumping the brake pedal and the holding with the second opens/closes the
bleed valve to allow fluid/air to escape works well but you risk destroying
the seals in the master cylinder if fluid changes have been neglected and
there is gunk beyond the normal range of travel that the seals hit when the
pedal sinks to the floor.

I used to use the gravity drain method, and just attach hose from bleeder to
a drain bottle or can and let physics pull the fluid out.  Slow, but safe
and effective.  Now I can do the job with MORE POWER!

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 7:40 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brakes, again (300SD)

Yes, all 4 in the proper sequence, twice.  I'm thinking I should put some
teflon tape on the bleeders to seal up those threads a bit and keep the air
from getting in my bleed tube (using a Mityvac), though I don't think it is
going back into the calipers.  At first they were a bit mushy after I put on
the new caliper and filled it and bled it a bit, so I went around the car
again and then it was better, pretty much as it was before I started the
exercise.

I'll take a look at the bushing, but the pedal does not seem to have play in
it, just takes some travel to start brake engagement.  I guess they aren't
touchy!

--R

On 10/22/2010 7:21 AM, Rolf wrote:
  Check the bushing on the brake pedal where it meets the rod that goes 
 into the booster. If this is missing or deteriorated then you get more 
 travel before braking. Otherwise is sounds like you need to bleed 
 more. Did you bleed all 4?

 -Rolf

 On 10/22/2010 7:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 So I got the new caliper on and hooked up, and system bled as best I 
 could (there seems to be a lot of air leakage around the bleed
 nipples) with new fluid.  The pedal feel is not a lot different from 
 before, still seems to have about an inch of travel before getting 
 much braking, and seems a bit soft though the brakes work OK.  Might 
 this be a master cylinder issue, or is that just the way they are?

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes, again (300SD)

[Mitch Haley]

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Rich,

I suspect your bleeding method isn't working too well.  


I have the Power Bleeder which pressurizes the reservoir, if you'd like to
borrow it.  You'll need to make sure the two rubber sensor caps on top of
the reservoir are in good shape prior to pressurizing. 


If he has ABS, that might be more necessary than optional.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes, again (300SD)

[Peter Frederick]

I would make sure the reservoir is completely full and bleed again --  
the back chamber is filled by overflowing the front one, and it's  
quite easy to have it go dry.


A MityVac works great, so long as you remember that you are going to  
pull air in the bleeder valves and won't ever get air free fluid.   
Once you get clean fluid out and there are no big air bubbles, it's  
full and free of air, you can ignore the stream if tiny bubbles  
leaking in the threads.  Big slugs of air, you have a leak or the  
reservoir is going empty on you.  I've chased that particular problem  
for ages once or twice.


The pedal, with the engine running, should have about an inch of free  
play, become firm quickly, and stay firm, with added pressure  
resulting in more braking effect with very little movement downward.   
A sinking pedal under light pressure, mysterious loss of fluid, no  
brakes unless you pump them, and excessive travel with less than  
normal braking power all indicate a bad master cylinder, usually from  
worn out seals on the back piston.


Check to make sure the rear pads are clean and move easily -- they  
get stuck much more readily than the fronts, and can give you goofy  
brakes, too.  Lack of wear on the rear rotors is a hint here.


Peter
On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN- 
ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:



Rich,

I suspect your bleeding method isn't working too well.

I have the Power Bleeder which pressurizes the reservoir, if  
you'd like to
borrow it.  You'll need to make sure the two rubber sensor caps on  
top of

the reservoir are in good shape prior to pressurizing.

The old school way of two people working together, one pressuring  
via
pumping the brake pedal and the holding with the second opens/ 
closes the
bleed valve to allow fluid/air to escape works well but you risk  
destroying
the seals in the master cylinder if fluid changes have been  
neglected and
there is gunk beyond the normal range of travel that the seals hit  
when the

pedal sinks to the floor.

I used to use the gravity drain method, and just attach hose from  
bleeder to
a drain bottle or can and let physics pull the fluid out.  Slow,  
but safe

and effective.  Now I can do the job with MORE POWER!

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- 
boun...@okiebenz.com]

On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 7:40 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brakes, again (300SD)

Yes, all 4 in the proper sequence, twice.  I'm thinking I should  
put some
teflon tape on the bleeders to seal up those threads a bit and keep  
the air
from getting in my bleed tube (using a Mityvac), though I don't  
think it is
going back into the calipers.  At first they were a bit mushy after  
I put on
the new caliper and filled it and bled it a bit, so I went around  
the car
again and then it was better, pretty much as it was before I  
started the

exercise.

I'll take a look at the bushing, but the pedal does not seem to  
have play in
it, just takes some travel to start brake engagement.  I guess they  
aren't

touchy!

--R

On 10/22/2010 7:21 AM, Rolf wrote:
 Check the bushing on the brake pedal where it meets the rod that  
goes
into the booster. If this is missing or deteriorated then you get  
more

travel before braking. Otherwise is sounds like you need to bleed
more. Did you bleed all 4?

-Rolf

On 10/22/2010 7:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

So I got the new caliper on and hooked up, and system bled as best I
could (there seems to be a lot of air leakage around the bleed
nipples) with new fluid.  The pedal feel is not a lot different from
before, still seems to have about an inch of travel before getting
much braking, and seems a bit soft though the brakes work OK.  Might
this be a master cylinder issue, or is that just the way they are?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes, again (300SD)

[Fmiser]

 Rich Thomas wrote:

 I'm thinking I should put some teflon tape on the bleeders to
 seal up those threads a bit and keep the air from getting in
 my bleed tube (using a Mityvac),

I use grease.   That also help keep the threads lubed so it
turns next time I need it to.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[John Reames]

They also sell a nickel based stuff (as does fel-pro/loctite (who probably 
makes it)) which is rated for even higher temperatures.

I always used it for exhaust stuff and anything that went into an aluminum 
head, especially if it was a small engine.

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On Oct 12, 2010, at 16:30, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, NAPA sells a copper-based anti-seize paste that might be even 
 better.  It seems to have less oil used as a carrier.
 
 
  Rich Thomas wrote:
 
 I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.
 Not rusty or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down
 first with some PB.
 
 To prevent that next time, liberally coat the threads with
 grease.
 
 --Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[John Reames]

Agreed.  I was putting on a tub spout (the stub was capped  from construction), 
and had the fixture closed (but not the supply valves to the fitting). 

About the time that I wondered WTF was going on, I heard a popping followed by 
a wooshing as the 1/2 copper sweat cap flew off and whacked into my knee, 
followed by some steam, and hot water that thankfully tapered to cold. After 
the stars cleared, I shut off the supply valves and examined the cap; it was 
noticeably dished.

Btw wouldn't heating the caliper red hot adversely affect any hardening that 
had been done to the piston bores?

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On Oct 12, 2010, at 17:57, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 Heating  closed lines is not for the faint of heart. I heated a brake line 
 once in order to get the fitting loose.
 It blew off with a bang but did not hit me thankfully. A leson learned. Now I 
 would cut the brake hose first and
 then heat it up.
 
 Randy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV
 SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:42 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes
 
 
 I've got an oxy-acetylene torch now - you may borrow if your inclined to
 try an application of heat and an easy-out.
 
 I used this blue wrench on Saturday to persuade a sticking hydraulic
 fitting on the SLS of my wagon; all went well until I managed to pour
 hot oil on my forearm (note to self: ensure hydraulic lines are empty
 before using blue wrench).
 
 -Max
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:29 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes
 
 I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.  Not rusty
 or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down first with some PB.
 I guess that means I need to take the caliper off and drill out the
 remaining nib then chase it with a tap?  The local auto parts store can
 get another in the morning.  The backs loosened quite nicely.
 
 Anyway, mama was thinking the brakes were getting a little soft, seemed
 a bit so I sucked out the old fluid from the reservoir ($2 sucker) and
 put in new, then started bleeding calipers,  Fluid looked pretty clean,
 so not sure what the issue is.  I did hear what sounded like the RR
 caliper clunk when I sucked on it with the MityVac, so maybe it was
 sticking a bit or something?
 
 --R
 
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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Rich Thomas]

 I took off the caliper from the SD to try to extract the broken 
bleeder nipple, and managed to bugger the whole thing beyond fixing, so 
I guess it is off to McParts to get another caliper tomorrow.  Broke an 
extractor, had to go after that with various implements.  Tried to drill 
out the nipple, wouldn't come out, tried to run a tap down it, no good 
(8mm should anyone care).  Hot wrench, chisels, punch, etc. no good.  
The thing is not rusty or too goobered up, so unsure why that nipple was 
so frozen in there.  Kind of a pissa that a $2 nipple would cause so 
much problem.


Also noticed the pad sensor wire was neatly cut, and no sensors in the 
pads.  Hmmm  Have to ponder that one a bit.  Did not look at the 
other wheel, will do that tomorrow.


--R

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[MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Rich Thomas]

I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.  Not rusty 
or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down first with some PB.  
I guess that means I need to take the caliper off and drill out the 
remaining nib then chase it with a tap?  The local auto parts store can 
get another in the morning.  The backs loosened quite nicely.


Anyway, mama was thinking the brakes were getting a little soft, seemed 
a bit so I sucked out the old fluid from the reservoir ($2 sucker) and 
put in new, then started bleeding calipers,  Fluid looked pretty clean, 
so not sure what the issue is.  I did hear what sounded like the RR 
caliper clunk when I sucked on it with the MityVac, so maybe it was 
sticking a bit or something?


--R

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I've got an oxy-acetylene torch now - you may borrow if your inclined to
try an application of heat and an easy-out.

I used this blue wrench on Saturday to persuade a sticking hydraulic
fitting on the SLS of my wagon; all went well until I managed to pour
hot oil on my forearm (note to self: ensure hydraulic lines are empty
before using blue wrench).

-Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.  Not rusty
or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down first with some PB.  
I guess that means I need to take the caliper off and drill out the
remaining nib then chase it with a tap?  The local auto parts store can
get another in the morning.  The backs loosened quite nicely.

Anyway, mama was thinking the brakes were getting a little soft, seemed
a bit so I sucked out the old fluid from the reservoir ($2 sucker) and
put in new, then started bleeding calipers,  Fluid looked pretty clean,
so not sure what the issue is.  I did hear what sounded like the RR
caliper clunk when I sucked on it with the MityVac, so maybe it was
sticking a bit or something?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Rich Thomas]

I'll take the caliper off and soak it with some PB then try an 
easy-out.  I have a propane torch too that does pretty well as a hot 
wrench with MAPP gas.


--R

On 10/12/2010 2:42 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

I've got an oxy-acetylene torch now - you may borrow if your inclined to
try an application of heat and an easy-out.

I used this blue wrench on Saturday to persuade a sticking hydraulic
fitting on the SLS of my wagon; all went well until I managed to pour
hot oil on my forearm (note to self: ensure hydraulic lines are empty
before using blue wrench).

-Max


   


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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

MAPP gas is hotter than propane, but adding O2 can get that caliper red
hot, which in my experience works very well to free up stubborn
nuts/bolts. 

-Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:13 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

I'll take the caliper off and soak it with some PB then try an easy-out.
I have a propane torch too that does pretty well as a hot wrench with
MAPP gas.

--R

On 10/12/2010 2:42 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
wrote:
 I've got an oxy-acetylene torch now - you may borrow if your inclined 
 to try an application of heat and an easy-out.

 I used this blue wrench on Saturday to persuade a sticking hydraulic

 fitting on the SLS of my wagon; all went well until I managed to pour 
 hot oil on my forearm (note to self: ensure hydraulic lines are empty 
 before using blue wrench).

 -Max




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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Fmiser]

 Rich Thomas wrote:

 I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.
 Not rusty or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down
 first with some PB.

To prevent that next time, liberally coat the threads with
grease.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Walt Zarnoch]

I prefer Jet-Lube 550 for my must never seize, even if hell freezes
over stuff.
It's amazing.

Walt

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rich Thomas wrote:

 I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.
 Not rusty or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down
 first with some PB.

 To prevent that next time, liberally coat the threads with
 grease.

 --    Philip

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Dieselhead]

I've always been told no grease anywhere near brake parts.  However, 
I can apply never-seez to the threads without any contacting the tip 
that seals the brake fluid in.   Grease is water soluble and does not 
stand up in harsh climates where snow and salt abound.  Never-seez 
does stand up to the elements.


I had a bleeder break off and If memory serves, it came right out 
with an easy-out.






  Rich Thomas wrote:


 I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.
 Not rusty or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down
 first with some PB.


To prevent that next time, liberally coat the threads with
grease.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Dieselhead]

Actually, NAPA sells a copper-based anti-seize paste that might be 
even better.  It seems to have less oil used as a carrier.




  Rich Thomas wrote:


 I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.
 Not rusty or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down
 first with some PB.


To prevent that next time, liberally coat the threads with
grease.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Mitch Haley]

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:


I used this blue wrench on Saturday to persuade a sticking hydraulic
fitting on the SLS of my wagon; all went well until I managed to pour
hot oil on my forearm (note to self: ensure hydraulic lines are empty
before using blue wrench).


A friend cut a mcpherson strut in half last week.
When he burned through the side of the housing, a cloud of atomized hot oil 
burst forth and caught fire as it stuck to his face. Good thing he bought a new 
set of brazing goggles last month. Not my favorite way to win a trip to the 
emergency room.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[R A Bennell]

Heating  closed lines is not for the faint of heart. I heated a brake line once 
in order to get the fitting loose.
It blew off with a bang but did not hit me thankfully. A leson learned. Now I 
would cut the brake hose first and
then heat it up.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:42 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes


I've got an oxy-acetylene torch now - you may borrow if your inclined to
try an application of heat and an easy-out.

I used this blue wrench on Saturday to persuade a sticking hydraulic
fitting on the SLS of my wagon; all went well until I managed to pour
hot oil on my forearm (note to self: ensure hydraulic lines are empty
before using blue wrench).

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.  Not rusty
or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down first with some PB.
I guess that means I need to take the caliper off and drill out the
remaining nib then chase it with a tap?  The local auto parts store can
get another in the morning.  The backs loosened quite nicely.

Anyway, mama was thinking the brakes were getting a little soft, seemed
a bit so I sucked out the old fluid from the reservoir ($2 sucker) and
put in new, then started bleeding calipers,  Fluid looked pretty clean,
so not sure what the issue is.  I did hear what sounded like the RR
caliper clunk when I sucked on it with the MityVac, so maybe it was
sticking a bit or something?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Walt Zarnoch]

HOLY HELL!

That's a freaking NASTY thing to have happen... I'm shuddering and flinching...

Walt, who just might start sucking his thumb...

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

 I used this blue wrench on Saturday to persuade a sticking hydraulic
 fitting on the SLS of my wagon; all went well until I managed to pour
 hot oil on my forearm (note to self: ensure hydraulic lines are empty
 before using blue wrench).

 A friend cut a mcpherson strut in half last week.
 When he burned through the side of the housing, a cloud of atomized hot oil
 burst forth and caught fire as it stuck to his face. Good thing he bought a
 new set of brazing goggles last month. Not my favorite way to win a trip to
 the emergency room.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Mitch Haley]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

HOLY HELL!

That's a freaking NASTY thing to have happen... I'm shuddering and flinching...


He looked pretty normal when I saw him two days after it happened, except he was 
missing a sideburn, has a nice growth of red scar tissue on his chin, and his 
cheek is sort of tiger-striped. I'm told there was a fair bit of black skin on 
the surface when it happened. I'm glad his nephew was there to drive him to the 
hospital.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[MG]

It will also tend to melt any rubber parts that are in there.

Manfred



Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:31:02 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes



MAPP gas is hotter than propane, but adding O2 can get that 
caliper red

hot, which in my experience works very well to free up stubborn
nuts/bolts.

-Max

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

OUCH!
 
I had already opened the system I was working on in several places, and drained 
most of the oil out.  After heating, I started applying torque with two 
wrenches and managed to move the line just right to cause the last little bit 
of oil to run out and land right on my forearm.  
 
-Max



From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Mitch Haley
Sent: Tue 10/12/2010 5:46 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes



Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

 I used this blue wrench on Saturday to persuade a sticking hydraulic
 fitting on the SLS of my wagon; all went well until I managed to pour
 hot oil on my forearm (note to self: ensure hydraulic lines are empty
 before using blue wrench).

A friend cut a mcpherson strut in half last week.
When he burned through the side of the housing, a cloud of atomized hot oil
burst forth and caught fire as it stuck to his face. Good thing he bought a new
set of brazing goggles last month. Not my favorite way to win a trip to the
emergency room.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Good point - overhaul of the calipers should probably follow.  I would imagine 
that the brake caliper metal won't be affected, temperament-wise, by the 
heating and cooling, as that is the life of a brake caliper.
 
-Max



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Sent: Tue 10/12/2010 6:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes



It will also tend to melt any rubber parts that are in there.

Manfred



Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:31:02 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
Subject: Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes



MAPP gas is hotter than propane, but adding O2 can get that
caliper red
hot, which in my experience works very well to free up stubborn
nuts/bolts.

-Max

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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Mitch Haley]

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Good point - overhaul of the calipers should probably follow.  I would imagine 
that the brake caliper metal won't be affected, temperament-wise, by the 
heating and cooling, as that is the life of a brake caliper.


Before I do the cherry red number on a caliper, I disassemble it and take out 
all the rubber and plastic stuff.
On many cars, I find it easier to buy a rebuilt caliper, and often cheaper than 
a rebuild kit and a bleeder screw.


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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

[Rick Knoble]

I wrap the bleeder threads with teflon tape, being careful not to use too much. 
It REALLY helpswhen the MightyVac actually sucks brake fluid through the 
bleeder screw, instead of air from around it.
Rick
 I've always been told no grease anywhere near brake parts.  However, 
 I can apply never-seez to the threads without any contacting the tip 
 that seals the brake fluid in.   Grease is water soluble and does not 
 stand up in harsh climates where snow and salt abound.  Never-seez 
 does stand up to the elements.
 
 I had a bleeder break off and If memory serves, it came right out 
 with an easy-out.

Rich Thomas wrote:
 
   I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.
   Not rusty or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down
   first with some PB.
 
 To prevent that next time, liberally coat the threads with
 grease.

  
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: Its like the right side grabs first followed by the left.  Im 
trying to think what would cause one
side to grab hold before the other.  I did have a look at the pads a couple of 
weeks ago and they are fine.  Wonder if it could be something
in the master cylinder?

Have you checked the rear brakes? Could be a wheel cylinder cylinder 
sticking/leaking.  Those GM wheel cylinders liked to do that when the shoes get 
worn.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[LarryT]

If the rubber brake hoses have degraded it can cause uneven braking.  They 
break down on the inside of the hose and flaps of rubber block the passage - 
partly blocking the movement of brake fluid.


Wet brake pads will also cause uneven braking.

Good luck -
LarryT
91 300D

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Kaleb wrote: Its like the right side grabs first followed by the left. 
Im trying to think what would cause one
side to grab hold before the other.  I did have a look at the pads a 
couple of weeks ago and they are fine.  Wonder if it could be something

in the master cylinder?

Have you checked the rear brakes? Could be a wheel cylinder cylinder 
sticking/leaking.  Those GM wheel cylinders liked to do that when the 
shoes get worn.



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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Peter Hertzing]

I don't remember how but a test exists short of replacing all hoses.
back when I still had caddys for limos that problem happened all the
time.

On 7/26/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 guess I should replace all the hoses then

 Peter Hertzing wrote:
 bad rubber hoses going to  on the opposit side.  they create a valve
 that prewents the change in pressure from applyng the brake

 On 7/26/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 OK, this is on my burb but I thought I would ask. I have been noticing
 when applying the brakes, it will pull to the right for a split second
 then pull back straight while braking.  Its like the right side grabs
 first followed by the left.  Im trying to think what would cause one
 side to grab hold before the other.  I did have a look at the pads a
 couple of weeks ago and they are fine.  Wonder if it could be something
 in the master cylinder?

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[pm7088]

Things I'd Check. 
1) Calipers, if they have 100Kmi, I'd RR along with the hoses. 
2) Loose tie rod ends? 
3) Tyre Pressures 

Pete 

 Kaleb wrote: Its like the right side grabs first followed by the left. 
 Im trying to think what would cause one 
 side to grab hold before the other. I did have a look at the pads a 
 couple of weeks ago and they are fine. Wonder if it could be something 
 in the master cylinder? 
 
 Have you checked the rear brakes? Could be a wheel cylinder cylinder 
 sticking/leaking. Those GM wheel cylinders liked to do that when the 
 shoes get worn. 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The brakes were really grabby, so I pulled the rear drums and the shoes 
were just fine, but where adjusted way too tight.  I loosed them up and 
that is when I started noticing the problem.  May have been there before 
but the grabby brakes covered it up. There was no leaks at all coming 
from the back wheel cylinders.


Donald Snook wrote:

Kaleb wrote: Its like the right side grabs first followed by the left.  Im 
trying to think what would cause one
side to grab hold before the other.  I did have a look at the pads a couple of 
weeks ago and they are fine.  Wonder if it could be something
in the master cylinder?

Have you checked the rear brakes? Could be a wheel cylinder cylinder 
sticking/leaking.  Those GM wheel cylinders liked to do that when the shoes get 
worn.


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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The only other thing that I can think of that may be relevant is when 
the 4x4 is kicked it, I get a pull to the right.  I dont think it is 
related at all but no telling.


pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
Things I'd Check. 
1) Calipers, if they have 100Kmi, I'd RR along with the hoses. 
2) Loose tie rod ends? 
3) Tyre Pressures 

Pete 

  
Kaleb wrote: Its like the right side grabs first followed by the left. 
Im trying to think what would cause one 
side to grab hold before the other. I did have a look at the pads a 
couple of weeks ago and they are fine. Wonder if it could be something 
in the master cylinder? 

Have you checked the rear brakes? Could be a wheel cylinder cylinder 
sticking/leaking. Those GM wheel cylinders liked to do that when the 
shoes get worn. 



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[MBZ] Brakes

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

OK, this is on my burb but I thought I would ask. I have been noticing 
when applying the brakes, it will pull to the right for a split second 
then pull back straight while braking.  Its like the right side grabs 
first followed by the left.  Im trying to think what would cause one 
side to grab hold before the other.  I did have a look at the pads a 
couple of weeks ago and they are fine.  Wonder if it could be something 
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Peter Hertzing]

bad rubber hoses going to  on the opposit side.  they create a valve
that prewents the change in pressure from applyng the brake

On 7/26/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 OK, this is on my burb but I thought I would ask. I have been noticing
 when applying the brakes, it will pull to the right for a split second
 then pull back straight while braking.  Its like the right side grabs
 first followed by the left.  Im trying to think what would cause one
 side to grab hold before the other.  I did have a look at the pads a
 couple of weeks ago and they are fine.  Wonder if it could be something
 in the master cylinder?

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

guess I should replace all the hoses then

Peter Hertzing wrote:

bad rubber hoses going to  on the opposit side.  they create a valve
that prewents the change in pressure from applyng the brake

On 7/26/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
  

OK, this is on my burb but I thought I would ask. I have been noticing
when applying the brakes, it will pull to the right for a split second
then pull back straight while braking.  Its like the right side grabs
first followed by the left.  Im trying to think what would cause one
side to grab hold before the other.  I did have a look at the pads a
couple of weeks ago and they are fine.  Wonder if it could be something
in the master cylinder?

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[harry watkins]

Look for leaking brake fluid on that side.  Just sticky enough to make them 
grab before burning away.


Harry



guess I should replace all the hoses then

Peter Hertzing wrote:

bad rubber hoses going to  on the opposit side.  they create a valve
that prewents the change in pressure from applyng the brake

On 7/26/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:


OK, this is on my burb but I thought I would ask. I have been noticing
when applying the brakes, it will pull to the right for a split second
then pull back straight while braking.  Its like the right side grabs
first followed by the left.  Im trying to think what would cause one
side to grab hold before the other.  I did have a look at the pads a
couple of weeks ago and they are fine.  Wonder if it could be something
in the master cylinder?

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[Archer]

From: E M
Just wanted to say, I got back from my local indie parts shop.  Small place
I've used when not buying factory original, which I buy 90% of the time.
Anyway, thought I'd try some after market brakes, so had my guy order up new
rotors for the front, along with pads and sensors.  $168 Canadian, with
taxes.  At current exchange rates, I think that's equal to a couple of
McDonald Happy Meals in the US. lol
Who says driving a benz has to be expensive. ;-)  So far, this car has been
pretty cheap motoring.  New tires later in the week, about $450 out the door
for Uniroyals.  I'm really starting to appreciate the running costs of this
car!!
Ed
300E
---
Hi Ed,
How much does your gas cost you in Canadian versus American dollars? 
Several years ago I was in Vancouver and thought about driving back to the 
East Coast via Canada.  Changed my mind after comparing the cost of U.S. 
fuel versus Canadian fuel.

Thanks,
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[E M]

the west cost is the most expensive gas in Canada.  Here in Toronto, regular
was 90.7 cents per litre Canadian today.

Ed
300E  which take premium.  ouch. lol

2009/5/7 Archer arche...@embarqmail.com

 From: E M

 Just wanted to say, I got back from my local indie parts shop.  Small place
 I've used when not buying factory original, which I buy 90% of the time.
 Anyway, thought I'd try some after market brakes, so had my guy order up
 new
 rotors for the front, along with pads and sensors.  $168 Canadian, with
 taxes.  At current exchange rates, I think that's equal to a couple of
 McDonald Happy Meals in the US. lol
 Who says driving a benz has to be expensive. ;-)  So far, this car has been
 pretty cheap motoring.  New tires later in the week, about $450 out the
 door
 for Uniroyals.  I'm really starting to appreciate the running costs of this
 car!!
 Ed
 300E
 ---
 Hi Ed,
 How much does your gas cost you in Canadian versus American dollars?
 Several years ago I was in Vancouver and thought about driving back to the
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[MBZ] Brakes

[E M]

Just wanted to say, I got back from my local indie parts shop.  Small place
I've used when not buying factory original, which I buy 90% of the time.
Anyway, thought I'd try some after market brakes, so had my guy order up new
rotors for the front, along with pads and sensors.  $168 Canadian, with
taxes.  At current exchange rates, I think that's equal to a couple of
McDonald Happy Meals in the US. lol

Who says driving a benz has to be expensive. ;-)  So far, this car has been
pretty cheap motoring.  New tires later in the week, about $450 out the door
for Uniroyals.  I'm really starting to appreciate the running costs of this
car!!

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[MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[Alex Chamberlain]

I just got done jacking up the newly acquired POS 300E and getting
under it as part of assessing its immediate needs prior to placing a
Rusty order.  Took the back left wheel off first because it was making
awful scraping noises every time I hit the brakes.  I have never seen
pads with so little pad left on them, nor a rotor with such an uneven
surface.  Yikes.  That explains it.  One funny thing: turning the same
wheel by hand (with the shifter in neutral and the parking brake off)
produced a very faint version of the same metal-on-metal scraping
sound.  Dragging caliper?  It seemed like the wheel offered a normal
amount of resistance to being spun by hand.  I could have put the
other 124 up in the air and compared the two side-by-side, but I was
too lazy to play musical jackstands.  Bad bearing?  Dry differential?
(It's visibly leaking, who knows for how long.)

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[E M]

Congrats, you're now a man of many W124s. :-)  Not sure about the sound or
calipers, well, for a W124 yet.  And it's not the wear sensor on the pad
itself dragging?  Maybe the pistons in the calipers are just so extended
out,the pad or what's left is a little misalighned?  Just guesses, as have
had to do much on mine yet, but a Spring tune up is in the works soon. Have
fun with the new car.

Ed
300E

On 17/04/2008, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just got done jacking up the newly acquired POS 300E and getting
 under it as part of assessing its immediate needs prior to placing a
 Rusty order.  Took the back left wheel off first because it was making
 awful scraping noises every time I hit the brakes.  I have never seen
 pads with so little pad left on them, nor a rotor with such an uneven
 surface.  Yikes.  That explains it.  One funny thing: turning the same
 wheel by hand (with the shifter in neutral and the parking brake off)
 produced a very faint version of the same metal-on-metal scraping
 sound.  Dragging caliper?  It seemed like the wheel offered a normal
 amount of resistance to being spun by hand.  I could have put the
 other 124 up in the air and compared the two side-by-side, but I was
 too lazy to play musical jackstands.  Bad bearing?  Dry differential?
 (It's visibly leaking, who knows for how long.)

 Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[Jim Cathey]

 turning the same wheel by hand (with the shifter in neutral
 and the parking brake off) produced a very faint version of
 the same metal-on-metal scraping sound.  Dragging caliper?

Pads in or out?  If out, it can't be that, in which case
I'd first suspect the parking brake shoes.  Pop off the
drum/disc and have a look.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[Allan Streib]

Disc brake pads do drag very slightly at all times.  The pads do not
pull back when you release the brake pedal, they just stop squeezing.

Allan
--
1983 300D


On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:02:03 -0700, Alex Chamberlain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 I just got done jacking up the newly acquired POS 300E and getting
 under it as part of assessing its immediate needs prior to placing a
 Rusty order.  Took the back left wheel off first because it was making
 awful scraping noises every time I hit the brakes.  I have never seen
 pads with so little pad left on them, nor a rotor with such an uneven
 surface.  Yikes.  That explains it.  One funny thing: turning the same
 wheel by hand (with the shifter in neutral and the parking brake off)
 produced a very faint version of the same metal-on-metal scraping
 sound.  Dragging caliper?  It seemed like the wheel offered a normal
 amount of resistance to being spun by hand.  I could have put the
 other 124 up in the air and compared the two side-by-side, but I was
 too lazy to play musical jackstands.  Bad bearing?  Dry differential?
 (It's visibly leaking, who knows for how long.)
 
 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo, '86 300E, et al.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Disc brake pads do drag very slightly at all times.  The pads do not
  pull back when you release the brake pedal, they just stop squeezing.


Thanks Allan, I don't know why I didn't know that.  That makes sense
since there is practically no pad left---the backing plates must just
be dragging and scraping a tiny bit.

Jim---the old pads are still in, but I will check out the parking
brake as well as long as I have the rotors off.  I've already ordered
new ones from Bimby but would like to take the old ones to the machine
shop if possible and keep them for spares.  I remember there being a
controversy at some point on whether Mercedes rotors can be turned or
not---what was the conclusion?   I know Marshall, bless his soul, had
a STRONG OPINION one way or the other but I don't remember what it
was.  ;)

Ed---when you get around to doing brakes on your 300E you will see
that early 124s don't have wear sensors on the rear pads, only the
fronts.  Also, if the front wear sensors are dragging they don't make
any noise---they just make the idiot light flicker annoyingly.  I know
because my 300D has been doing that for a long time (light
intermittent despite plenty of pad left in the front) and I just
haven't got around to changing them yet.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D, '86 300E, et al.

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[Mitch Haley]

Look up the minimum thickness spec for the rotors. Measure them.
Are they already thinner than spec? If not, estimate the depth
of the grooves (both sides) and subtract that, I bet you're well under
spec by then.

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[R A Bennell]

I remember reading an article about a competition to get the best fuel mileage. 
One of the things suggested was
that one should move back and forth a bit after using the brakes in order to 
let the little bit of play in the
bearings essentially move the pads off of the rotor. Not sure how well that 
works.

Randy

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Disc brake pads do drag very slightly at all times.  The pads do not
pull back when you release the brake pedal, they just stop squeezing.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[E M]

Thanks Alex, my Spring inspection and tune up is coming up soon. :-)  Now
where did I leave those axle stands??

Ed
300E

On 17/04/2008, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Disc brake pads do drag very slightly at all times.  The pads do not
   pull back when you release the brake pedal, they just stop squeezing.
 

 Thanks Allan, I don't know why I didn't know that.  That makes sense
 since there is practically no pad left---the backing plates must just
 be dragging and scraping a tiny bit.

 Jim---the old pads are still in, but I will check out the parking
 brake as well as long as I have the rotors off.  I've already ordered
 new ones from Bimby but would like to take the old ones to the machine
 shop if possible and keep them for spares.  I remember there being a
 controversy at some point on whether Mercedes rotors can be turned or
 not---what was the conclusion?   I know Marshall, bless his soul, had
 a STRONG OPINION one way or the other but I don't remember what it
 was.  ;)

 Ed---when you get around to doing brakes on your 300E you will see
 that early 124s don't have wear sensors on the rear pads, only the
 fronts.  Also, if the front wear sensors are dragging they don't make
 any noise---they just make the idiot light flicker annoyingly.  I know
 because my 300D has been doing that for a long time (light
 intermittent despite plenty of pad left in the front) and I just
 haven't got around to changing them yet.

 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D, '86 300E, et al.

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[Hendrik Fay]

May well be that something is frozen, perhaps the handbrake is not fully 
retracting.
Best of to strip the brakes off and then do the turny test to see if it 
is bearings or brake related.
If the diff is leaking it means there is oil in there, the only time a 
MB diff will not leak is when it is out of oil.

Hendrik
with a leaky diff or two

E M wrote:
 Congrats, you're now a man of many W124s. :-)  Not sure about the sound or
 calipers, well, for a W124 yet.  And it's not the wear sensor on the pad
 itself dragging?  Maybe the pistons in the calipers are just so extended
 out,the pad or what's left is a little misalighned?  Just guesses, as have
 had to do much on mine yet, but a Spring tune up is in the works soon. Have
 fun with the new car.

 Ed
 300E

 On 17/04/2008, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I just got done jacking up the newly acquired POS 300E and getting
 under it as part of assessing its immediate needs prior to placing a
 Rusty order.  Took the back left wheel off first because it was making
 awful scraping noises every time I hit the brakes.  I have never seen
 pads with so little pad left on them, nor a rotor with such an uneven
 surface.  Yikes.  That explains it.  One funny thing: turning the same
 wheel by hand (with the shifter in neutral and the parking brake off)
 produced a very faint version of the same metal-on-metal scraping
 sound.  Dragging caliper?  It seemed like the wheel offered a normal
 amount of resistance to being spun by hand.  I could have put the
 other 124 up in the air and compared the two side-by-side, but I was
 too lazy to play musical jackstands.  Bad bearing?  Dry differential?
 (It's visibly leaking, who knows for how long.)

 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo, '86 300E, et al.

 

   

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Re: [MBZ] Brakes and other deferred maintenance

[Jim Cathey]

 Disc brake pads do drag very slightly at all times.  The pads do not
 pull back when you release the brake pedal, they just stop 
 squeezing.

They do pull back, a tiny bit, due to the O-ring (square cross-section)
puck seals.  But they usually still drag a little, in part because the
pad is free to lean against the rotor if it likes.

 shop if possible and keep them for spares.  I remember there being a
 controversy at some point on whether Mercedes rotors can be turned or
 not---what was the conclusion?

They _can_ be turned, but they should not be unless they are grossly
damaged _and_ are not already too thin.  Minor ridging is not a
problem, new pads will bed to it, and in fact may even brake better
because there is more surface area.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Brakes

[RELNGSON]

From the ATe website;

http://www.ate.co.za/images/BrakeDiscs.gif

RLE