Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: the 83 300D should start in first, if it starts in 2nd, something is wrong. Mine started in 1st, but I don't think it was adjusted quite right. For example, if I was coasting and shifted from D to L, it wouldn't actually downshift from 4th to 3rd unless I tapped the accelerator. So I may have been seeing abnormal behavior.
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
David Brodbeck wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: the 83 300D should start in first, if it starts in 2nd, something is wrong. Mine started in 1st, but I don't think it was adjusted quite right. For example, if I was coasting and shifted from D to L, it wouldn't actually downshift from 4th to 3rd unless I tapped the accelerator. So I may have been seeing abnormal behavior. Oops, meant to say if I was coasting and shifted from D to S. L did roughly what it was supposed to.
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
The turbos start in 1st. As I said before, if it doesnt, something is wrong. Luther wrote: All of the 123/126's I've driven started in 1st gear. I double checked this morning on the way to work in my SD (soon to be for sale...) and it will start in first. Sometimes it will shift into 2nd within 1 second of starting, but it shifts none the less. This is with the gear shift in D. Could this be related to the bowden cable adjustment? I've played with my SD's adjustment enough so that it has even shifts all the way up and will down shift when under no throttle and I move the gear shift from D-S. Does anyone have factory documentation showing that these transmissions are suppose to start in 2nd unless the kickdown switch is activated? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Yes, I am sure I am right. I have been messing with those things for over 15 years. R A Bennell wrote: Are you sure about that? I was sure that I was told the 115 is old enough that it is only a 3 speed. So far as I am aware, it only shifts twice and the gear it starts in is fairly low. I doubt there is a gear below that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? 115's are 4 speeds, they start in 2nd. You have to push pedal down all the way and hit the kickdown to go into first, or manually shift it there. R A Bennell wrote: Then you have not had a really old one. My 115 only has 3 gears so far as I know and it starts out in 1st. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started out in 2nd. I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond). Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
BZT, WRONG. 116 450's are 3 speeds Loren Faeth wrote: even the 110 automatics were/are 4 speeds. MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. How many gears in a 300D? 2 in each of 4 doors = 8 4 to pump the oil = 4 2 in the steering gear = 2 2 in each front seat = 4 2 for each forward speed in the trans = 8 3 for reverse in the trans = 3 4 in the differential = 4 A cursory tally indicates there are at least 33 gears in an 83 300D, not considering the clock. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Far as I know all four speed Merc boxes are designed to start in second, the operators manual makes reference to this if I remember right. The normal shift pattern is 2 3 4, selecting S will lock out 4th so the shift pattern is 2 3, selecting L while driving will put the box in second until you stop (or go very slow) upon which time 1st will be selected and stay there until the gearshift is put into S or D. Flooring from a dead stop will punch the box into 1st for a very short time. - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? All of the 123/126's I've driven started in 1st gear. I double checked this morning on the way to work in my SD (soon to be for sale...) and it will start in first. Sometimes it will shift into 2nd within 1 second of starting, but it shifts none the less. This is with the gear shift in D. Could this be related to the bowden cable adjustment? I've played with my SD's adjustment enough so that it has even shifts all the way up and will down shift when under no throttle and I move the gear shift from D-S. Does anyone have factory documentation showing that these transmissions are suppose to start in 2nd unless the kickdown switch is activated? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work Quoting andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My 83 300TD always starts in first gear and is an absolute rocket (277 K miles). I doubt I will ever want to sell such a great car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Loads of 3 speeds went into Benzes, they actually are a superb gearbox. - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? even the 110 automatics were/are 4 speeds. MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. How many gears in a 300D? 2 in each of 4 doors = 8 4 to pump the oil = 4 2 in the steering gear = 2 2 in each front seat = 4 2 for each forward speed in the trans = 8 3 for reverse in the trans = 3 4 in the differential = 4 A cursory tally indicates there are at least 33 gears in an 83 300D, not considering the clock. At 02:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Are you sure about that? I was sure that I was told the 115 is old enough that it is only a 3 speed. So far as I am aware, it only shifts twice and the gear it starts in is fairly low. I doubt there is a gear below that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? 115's are 4 speeds, they start in 2nd. You have to push pedal down all the way and hit the kickdown to go into first, or manually shift it there. R A Bennell wrote: Then you have not had a really old one. My 115 only has 3 gears so far as I know and it starts out in 1st. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started out in 2nd. I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond). Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. No, our 450 SL has one. So far as I know, all MB automatics were four-speeds with a fluid coupler. I thought they put the 3-speeds into the V8 cars, but they had a torque converter to make up for the lack of first gear. (Our SL will do about 60 in first.) Later they went to four-speeds with the TC. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Far as I know all four speed Merc boxes are designed to start in second, the operators manual makes reference to this if I remember right. T'ain't so! My 1970 4 spd. 111 coupe 4 speed automatic on the floor starts in FIRST gear, however briefly, as does my 1983 300TD turbodiesel. On 10/19/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. No, our 450 SL has one. So far as I know, all MB automatics were four-speeds with a fluid coupler. I thought they put the 3-speeds into the V8 cars, but they had a torque converter to make up for the lack of first gear. (Our SL will do about 60 in first.) Later they went to four-speeds with the TC. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
My 83 started in 2nd and my son's started in 2nd, then they would shift into 3rd 4th. Both would downshift to 1st if you pushed the pedal all the way down or if you forced them to start in first by starting in low. Tom www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 10/18/06 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? the 83 300D should start in first, if it starts in 2nd, something is wrong. Tom Hargrave wrote: Sorry, I should proof my own responses before pressing the send button - I meant always starts out in 2nd. My oldest Son pulled a bass boat behind his 300D for years. He'd always drop down into low to pull his boat of the water never had a problem. More often than not, 2 wheel drive trucks would be spinning a wheel on the same ramp. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
My 83 300TD always starts in first gear and is an absolute rocket (277 K miles). I doubt I will ever want to sell such a great car. On 10/19/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 83 started in 2nd and my son's started in 2nd, then they would shift into 3rd 4th. Both would downshift to 1st if you pushed the pedal all the way down or if you forced them to start in first by starting in low. Tom www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 10/18/06 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? the 83 300D should start in first, if it starts in 2nd, something is wrong. Tom Hargrave wrote: Sorry, I should proof my own responses before pressing the send button - I meant always starts out in 2nd. My oldest Son pulled a bass boat behind his 300D for years. He'd always drop down into low to pull his boat of the water never had a problem. More often than not, 2 wheel drive trucks would be spinning a wheel on the same ramp. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
All of the 123/126's I've driven started in 1st gear. I double checked this morning on the way to work in my SD (soon to be for sale...) and it will start in first. Sometimes it will shift into 2nd within 1 second of starting, but it shifts none the less. This is with the gear shift in D. Could this be related to the bowden cable adjustment? I've played with my SD's adjustment enough so that it has even shifts all the way up and will down shift when under no throttle and I move the gear shift from D-S. Does anyone have factory documentation showing that these transmissions are suppose to start in 2nd unless the kickdown switch is activated? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work Quoting andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My 83 300TD always starts in first gear and is an absolute rocket (277 K miles). I doubt I will ever want to sell such a great car.
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
even the 110 automatics were/are 4 speeds. MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. How many gears in a 300D? 2 in each of 4 doors = 8 4 to pump the oil = 4 2 in the steering gear = 2 2 in each front seat = 4 2 for each forward speed in the trans = 8 3 for reverse in the trans = 3 4 in the differential = 4 A cursory tally indicates there are at least 33 gears in an 83 300D, not considering the clock. At 02:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Are you sure about that? I was sure that I was told the 115 is old enough that it is only a 3 speed. So far as I am aware, it only shifts twice and the gear it starts in is fairly low. I doubt there is a gear below that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? 115's are 4 speeds, they start in 2nd. You have to push pedal down all the way and hit the kickdown to go into first, or manually shift it there. R A Bennell wrote: Then you have not had a really old one. My 115 only has 3 gears so far as I know and it starts out in 1st. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started out in 2nd. I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond). Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Good Lord! If you are correct the low gear must be for pulling out stumps. I have never pulled it down into low gear manually to my knowledge. I have never felt like it needed a gear below that in which it normally starts from a stop in Drive. I have sometimes thought it could use a higher gear on the highway when it is buzzing along at 70 plus MPH. I sort of wish it would slide into a higher gear on flat ground and reduce the revs a bit. Will have to try it out on the way home tonight and see if it does appear to have a lower gear. I guess if I manually shift into the lowest range and then shift up I should ultimately be able to count 3 shifts and 4 gears. Interesting, as I am sure someone on this list earlier assured me it was only a 3 speed tranny. Memory is going perhaps??? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? even the 110 automatics were/are 4 speeds. MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. How many gears in a 300D? 2 in each of 4 doors = 8 4 to pump the oil = 4 2 in the steering gear = 2 2 in each front seat = 4 2 for each forward speed in the trans = 8 3 for reverse in the trans = 3 4 in the differential = 4 A cursory tally indicates there are at least 33 gears in an 83 300D, not considering the clock. At 02:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Are you sure about that? I was sure that I was told the 115 is old enough that it is only a 3 speed. So far as I am aware, it only shifts twice and the gear it starts in is fairly low. I doubt there is a gear below that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? 115's are 4 speeds, they start in 2nd. You have to push pedal down all the way and hit the kickdown to go into first, or manually shift it there. R A Bennell wrote: Then you have not had a really old one. My 115 only has 3 gears so far as I know and it starts out in 1st. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started out in 2nd. I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond). Thanks, Tom Hargrave
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Well, first in the four speeds on the column is good to get you rolling, but not much more. When starting out from a stop sign and making a turn, the first shift point on a diesel was as soon as you are in the intersection and turning. It took some coordination to make that shift in a turn. I think the gearing in the autos are pretty much the same as the analogous manual trans if you were really speedy, you could make one shift going into the turn and the next while exiting the intersection. I am talking normal 2 lane city streets here. At 03:53 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Good Lord! If you are correct the low gear must be for pulling out stumps. I have never pulled it down into low gear manually to my knowledge. I have never felt like it needed a gear below that in which it normally starts from a stop in Drive. I have sometimes thought it could use a higher gear on the highway when it is buzzing along at 70 plus MPH. I sort of wish it would slide into a higher gear on flat ground and reduce the revs a bit. Will have to try it out on the way home tonight and see if it does appear to have a lower gear. I guess if I manually shift into the lowest range and then shift up I should ultimately be able to count 3 shifts and 4 gears. Interesting, as I am sure someone on this list earlier assured me it was only a 3 speed tranny. Memory is going perhaps??? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? even the 110 automatics were/are 4 speeds. MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. How many gears in a 300D? 2 in each of 4 doors = 8 4 to pump the oil = 4 2 in the steering gear = 2 2 in each front seat = 4 2 for each forward speed in the trans = 8 3 for reverse in the trans = 3 4 in the differential = 4 A cursory tally indicates there are at least 33 gears in an 83 300D, not considering the clock. At 02:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: Are you sure about that? I was sure that I was told the 115 is old enough that it is only a 3 speed. So far as I am aware, it only shifts twice and the gear it starts in is fairly low. I doubt there is a gear below that. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? 115's are 4 speeds, they start in 2nd. You have to push pedal down all the way and hit the kickdown to go into first, or manually shift it there. R A Bennell wrote: Then you have not had a really old one. My 115 only has 3 gears so far as I know and it starts out in 1st. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started out in 2nd. I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond). Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Sounds like our 95 Toyota 4Runner with 3.0 V6 and a manual 5 speed. 1st gets you moving but you aren't going accross the intersection without shifting unless you want to hit redline or better on the tach. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? Well, first in the four speeds on the column is good to get you rolling, but not much more. When starting out from a stop sign and making a turn, the first shift point on a diesel was as soon as you are in the intersection and turning. It took some coordination to make that shift in a turn. I think the gearing in the autos are pretty much the same as the analogous manual trans if you were really speedy, you could make one shift going into the turn and the next while exiting the intersection. I am talking normal 2 lane city streets here.
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
I can verify this from experience - driving the '70 220D, manual on the column - all four speeds. It was a great car until it rusted out from under me, it's first 100,000 miles were in MN, daily driver. On 10/19/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, first in the four speeds on the column is good to get you rolling, but not much more. When starting out from a stop sign and making a turn, the first shift point on a diesel was as soon as you are in the intersection and turning. It took some coordination to make that shift in a turn. I think the gearing in the autos are pretty much the same as the analogous manual trans if you were really speedy, you could make one shift going into the turn and the next while exiting the intersection. I am talking normal 2 lane city streets here. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Nope - both of my 115 (1976) 300D's had four speed auto trannys., and my Dad's 115 (1972) 220D had a four speed auto tranny. All of them started in 2nd. On 10/19/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure about that? I was sure that I was told the 115 is old enough that it is only a 3 speed. So far as I am aware, it only shifts twice and the gear it starts in is fairly low. I doubt there is a gear below that. Randy -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Almost - my 450SLC has a three speed auto - first gear red lines at 59 MPH. Road Track noted that you could break the speed limit and never leave first gear. On 10/19/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even the 110 automatics were/are 4 speeds. MB never put a 2 speed or 3 speed auto in a car. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Well, I'm pretty sure it's starting in 1st as the engine is at about the same speeds as when I manually select L like up the hill tonight... It certainly seems like I'm missing a gear... Levi On 10/17/06, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 06:05:58PM -0400, Levi Smith wrote: OK, for some reason I was thinking the tranny in my 83' 300D was a 4 speed. It's shifted rather hard since I got it more than a year ago. Then the other day a thought occurred to me and I paid more attention today. Sure enough it seems like I only have (or am using) 3 gears. If I had to guess, I'd say I'm missing 3rd as it's always hardest shifting into top gear. So what I'm wondering if that's why it clunks so hard is because it's dropping from 2nd into 4th. Am I stoned and this is only a 3 speed? Or have I somehow lost a gear? If I lost a gear, how the heck can that happen? Your car starts in second gear unless you punch it really hard from a start or have manually selected 'L'. It is a four speed. If it's a manual, we really need to work on our clutch skills if it's shifting hard :) K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Did you select L from a stop? If you were rolling, selecting L will get 2nd. Try flooring it - punching the kick down switch from a stop. You should hear/feel it shifting into 2nd. in 15-25 MPH range (I forget exactly where it's supposed to shift into 2nd.). On 10/17/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'm pretty sure it's starting in 1st as the engine is at about the same speeds as when I manually select L like up the hill tonight... It certainly seems like I'm missing a gear... Levi -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
All MB diesels start out in 1st. Most MB gas models start out in 2nd unless you do the L thing, Find a flat road, floor it, watch the hash marks on the speedo and count the shifts as you get to around 70 or so...there should be 3 shifts as you have a 4 speed transmisson. While you are at it, time the seconds to 60, should be around 13 seconds or so for a turbo. John On 10/17/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you select L from a stop? If you were rolling, selecting L will get 2nd. Try flooring it - punching the kick down switch from a stop. You should hear/feel it shifting into 2nd. in 15-25 MPH range (I forget exactly where it's supposed to shift into 2nd.). On 10/17/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'm pretty sure it's starting in 1st as the engine is at about the same speeds as when I manually select L like up the hill tonight... It certainly seems like I'm missing a gear... Levi -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
It's a 4 speed that starts out in 3rd. The hard 3 - 4 gear shifting is the nature of the transmission. It can be adjusted out but at the expense of loosening up the 2 - 3 shift accelerating transmission wear. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? OK, for some reason I was thinking the tranny in my 83' 300D was a 4 speed. It's shifted rather hard since I got it more than a year ago. Then the other day a thought occurred to me and I paid more attention today. Sure enough it seems like I only have (or am using) 3 gears. If I had to guess, I'd say I'm missing 3rd as it's always hardest shifting into top gear. So what I'm wondering if that's why it clunks so hard is because it's dropping from 2nd into 4th. Am I stoned and this is only a 3 speed? Or have I somehow lost a gear? If I lost a gear, how the heck can that happen? Thanks! Levi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Wow! According to some of the listers, a diesel transmission for an '83 300D: Always starts in FIRST, Always starts in SECOND, Always starts in THIRD. Anybody want to chime in Always starts in FOURTH... YMMV Having owned a 1980 300SD (don't know the trans #'s), it ALWAYS started from a dead stop in SECOND (if the pedal not put to the metal). If I floored it, it ALWAYS started in FIRST and I could count the shifts and monitor them on the speedo with the I, II, III, IV marks.. And when I autocrossed her, I put the trans shifter in S, held the brakes, revved the engine to 2,400 rpms (to spool the turbo), dumped the brakes and WENT FOR IT! Never took the trans out of the S position. RPM's would go to 4,500+ And stayed in SECOND and THIRD, but could reach FIRST by flooring it.I do miss the mistress.. So named because I spent a lot of money on her, a lot of time w/her and liked to crawl under her and screw around. A quote from a former girlfriend. After AXing, she would run a whole lot better... I mean the 300SD!!! Time to go back to reality. Granted my experience is only anecdotal (I laugh at it sometimes, too), but I believe that is how all diesel transmissions were designed. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ Now a total gasser w/ a 1986 190E 2.3 16V and a 1992 500E... On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: It's a 4 speed that starts out in 3rd. The hard 3 - 4 gear shifting is the nature of the transmission. It can be adjusted out but at the expense of loosening up the 2 - 3 shift accelerating transmission wear. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? OK, for some reason I was thinking the tranny in my 83' 300D was a 4 speed. It's shifted rather hard since I got it more than a year ago. Then the other day a thought occurred to me and I paid more attention today. Sure enough it seems like I only have (or am using) 3 gears. If I had to guess, I'd say I'm missing 3rd as it's always hardest shifting into top gear. So what I'm wondering if that's why it clunks so hard is because it's dropping from 2nd into 4th. Am I stoned and this is only a 3 speed? Or have I somehow lost a gear? If I lost a gear, how the heck can that happen? Thanks! Levi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Sorry, I should proof my own responses before pressing the send button - I meant always starts out in 2nd. My oldest Son pulled a bass boat behind his 300D for years. He'd always drop down into low to pull his boat of the water never had a problem. More often than not, 2 wheel drive trucks would be spinning a wheel on the same ramp. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? Wow! According to some of the listers, a diesel transmission for an '83 300D: Always starts in FIRST, Always starts in SECOND, Always starts in THIRD. Anybody want to chime in Always starts in FOURTH... YMMV Having owned a 1980 300SD (don't know the trans #'s), it ALWAYS started from a dead stop in SECOND (if the pedal not put to the metal). If I floored it, it ALWAYS started in FIRST and I could count the shifts and monitor them on the speedo with the I, II, III, IV marks.. And when I autocrossed her, I put the trans shifter in S, held the brakes, revved the engine to 2,400 rpms (to spool the turbo), dumped the brakes and WENT FOR IT! Never took the trans out of the S position. RPM's would go to 4,500+ And stayed in SECOND and THIRD, but could reach FIRST by flooring it.I do miss the mistress.. So named because I spent a lot of money on her, a lot of time w/her and liked to crawl under her and screw around. A quote from a former girlfriend. After AXing, she would run a whole lot better... I mean the 300SD!!! Time to go back to reality. Granted my experience is only anecdotal (I laugh at it sometimes, too), but I believe that is how all diesel transmissions were designed. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ Now a total gasser w/ a 1986 190E 2.3 16V and a 1992 500E... On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: It's a 4 speed that starts out in 3rd. The hard 3 - 4 gear shifting is the nature of the transmission. It can be adjusted out but at the expense of loosening up the 2 - 3 shift accelerating transmission wear. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? OK, for some reason I was thinking the tranny in my 83' 300D was a 4 speed. It's shifted rather hard since I got it more than a year ago. Then the other day a thought occurred to me and I paid more attention today. Sure enough it seems like I only have (or am using) 3 gears. If I had to guess, I'd say I'm missing 3rd as it's always hardest shifting into top gear. So what I'm wondering if that's why it clunks so hard is because it's dropping from 2nd into 4th. Am I stoned and this is only a 3 speed? Or have I somehow lost a gear? If I lost a gear, how the heck can that happen? Thanks! Levi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Tom, BTDT. No problem...!!! Take care, Chuck... On Oct 17, 2006, at 7:55 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: Sorry, I should proof my own responses before pressing the send button - I meant always starts out in 2nd. My oldest Son pulled a bass boat behind his 300D for years. He'd always drop down into low to pull his boat of the water never had a problem. More often than not, 2 wheel drive trucks would be spinning a wheel on the same ramp. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
All MB diesels start out in 1st. Most MB gas models start out in 2nd
unless you do the L thing,
Not true. The Albatross ('79 240D) always started in 2nd, unless
either you floored it or selected L while stopped. L, otherwise,
selected 2nd, btw. This was even in the owner's manual.
The 240D. There's a car in desperate need of a first-gear start,
yet it didn't have one. I'm sure they did it to give it that
sedate cushy car feel, 'cause the 1-2 shift was rather firm.
Kept in S around town, the car essentially had a 2-speed tranny,
and only shifted once. Might help explain how that car had 300+kmi
on it and one of the best-feeling transmissions I'd experienced.
-- Jim
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started
out in 2nd.
I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond).
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
All MB diesels start out in 1st. Most MB gas models start out in 2nd
unless you do the L thing,
Not true. The Albatross ('79 240D) always started in 2nd, unless
either you floored it or selected L while stopped. L, otherwise,
selected 2nd, btw. This was even in the owner's manual.
The 240D. There's a car in desperate need of a first-gear start,
yet it didn't have one. I'm sure they did it to give it that
sedate cushy car feel, 'cause the 1-2 shift was rather firm.
Kept in S around town, the car essentially had a 2-speed tranny,
and only shifted once. Might help explain how that car had 300+kmi
on it and one of the best-feeling transmissions I'd experienced.
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Some sit in second gear and then downshift when the accelerator is moved down. If they don't, likely the vacuum modulator signal is incorrect and the valve needs replacing (or the hose fixed, etc). Peter
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Early W123 diesels do not have a vacuum modulator , start in 2nd and will kickdown to first when kickdown soleniod is activated and the hydralics decide its ok to do so. Peter -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 October 2006 07:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? Some sit in second gear and then downshift when the accelerator is moved down. If they don't, likely the vacuum modulator signal is incorrect and the valve needs replacing (or the hose fixed, etc). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Well, I found 4 gears this morning. I think I missed it before because it seems to be about as complicated as this conversation has gotten! (: I tried a few times and I can't quite determine the 'standard' for my car from a dead stop (1st or second). Part of my problem was that I thought that L was 1st, S was 2nd and D was 1-4. It seems L is 1st/2nd which shifts at 20mph. S seems to hold 3rd and D is whatever the hell it feels like. I *think* mine starts out in 1st, but it goes through 2nd to 3rd so fast at slow speeds that I would not have realized it went through 2 gears unless I was listening for it... Levi On 10/18/06, Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Early W123 diesels do not have a vacuum modulator , start in 2nd and will kickdown to first when kickdown soleniod is activated and the hydralics decide its ok to do so. Peter -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 October 2006 07:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? Some sit in second gear and then downshift when the accelerator is moved down. If they don't, likely the vacuum modulator signal is incorrect and the valve needs replacing (or the hose fixed, etc). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Well I don't believe that is true-I know my 240D starts out in second and the kick down works as described earlier-you have to kick down. This was a topic a few years ago and the good Dr. explained which models started in 2nd. Dwight Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + + miles-Green Goddess 1990 300D 2.5t, 135K miles-The Princess Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Freer Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? All MB diesels start out in 1st. Most MB gas models start out in 2nd unless you do the L thing,
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Levi Smith wrote: *think* mine starts out in 1st, but it goes through 2nd to 3rd so fast at slow speeds that I would not have realized it went through 2 gears unless I was listening for it... My '79 300SD quick shifts through 2nd unless I have it floored or let it start in 2nd. (like Chuck's old car, the circuitry that tells it to sit in 2nd at a stop and drop to first when I touch the throttle is busted, so I have to use L if I want first, but then when I move to S or D, it skips right past 2nd).
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Should not do so, maybe the a/t cable is a bit stretched out and needs to readjust. it worked on mine mak 300se/90 Levi Smith wrote: *think* mine starts out in 1st, but it goes through 2nd to 3rd so fast at slow speeds that I would not have realized it went through 2 gears unless I was listening for it...
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
the 83 300D should start in first, if it starts in 2nd, something is wrong. Tom Hargrave wrote: Sorry, I should proof my own responses before pressing the send button - I meant always starts out in 2nd. My oldest Son pulled a bass boat behind his 300D for years. He'd always drop down into low to pull his boat of the water never had a problem. More often than not, 2 wheel drive trucks would be spinning a wheel on the same ramp. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
Then you have not had a really old one. My 115 only has 3 gears so far as I know and it starts out in 1st. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started out in 2nd. I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond). Thanks, Tom Hargrave
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
115's are 4 speeds, they start in 2nd. You have to push pedal down all the way and hit the kickdown to go into first, or manually shift it there. R A Bennell wrote: Then you have not had a really old one. My 115 only has 3 gears so far as I know and it starts out in 1st. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D? I agree, all of the older MB diesels with auto tranny's I've owned started out in 2nd. I can't speak for the newer ones (95 and beyond). Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
OK, for some reason I was thinking the tranny in my 83' 300D was a 4 speed. It's shifted rather hard since I got it more than a year ago. Then the other day a thought occurred to me and I paid more attention today. Sure enough it seems like I only have (or am using) 3 gears. If I had to guess, I'd say I'm missing 3rd as it's always hardest shifting into top gear. So what I'm wondering if that's why it clunks so hard is because it's dropping from 2nd into 4th. Am I stoned and this is only a 3 speed? Or have I somehow lost a gear? If I lost a gear, how the heck can that happen? Thanks! Levi
Re: [MBZ] How many gears in an 83' 300D?
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 06:05:58PM -0400, Levi Smith wrote: OK, for some reason I was thinking the tranny in my 83' 300D was a 4 speed. It's shifted rather hard since I got it more than a year ago. Then the other day a thought occurred to me and I paid more attention today. Sure enough it seems like I only have (or am using) 3 gears. If I had to guess, I'd say I'm missing 3rd as it's always hardest shifting into top gear. So what I'm wondering if that's why it clunks so hard is because it's dropping from 2nd into 4th. Am I stoned and this is only a 3 speed? Or have I somehow lost a gear? If I lost a gear, how the heck can that happen? Your car starts in second gear unless you punch it really hard from a start or have manually selected 'L'. It is a four speed. If it's a manual, we really need to work on our clutch skills if it's shifting hard :) K
