Re: Soekris 4501 and OpenBSd 5.7

[Devin Reade]

> On Sep 16, 2015, at 00:40, Markus Rosjat  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> just a simple question, is it possible to install a 5.7 on a soekris 4501? 

I don't know about the 4501, but the 5501 works fine. Any chance you grabbed 
the 64 bit image by mistake?

Devin

Re: Soekris 4501 and OpenBSd 5.7

[Nayden Markatchev]

4801 worked fine for me until it died (hardware failure)

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Devin Reade  wrote:
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 00:40, Markus Rosjat  wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> just a simple question, is it possible to install a 5.7 on a soekris 4501?
>
> I don't know about the 4501, but the 5501 works fine. Any chance you grabbed 
> the 64 bit image by mistake?
>
> Devin

Re: Soekris 4501 and OpenBSd 5.7

[Adam Jeanguenat]

rosjat wrote:
> stuck on the entry point msg.

You need to create a boot.conf file with a couple of commands. Read
this:

   http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#PXE

The contents of the file will likely need to be as follows:

   stty com0 115200
   set tty com0

The default baud rate is 9600 -- so if you're using a rate other than
9600, specify it with the first command.

--avj

Re: Soekris 4501 and OpenBSd 5.7

[Christian Weisgerber]

On 2015-09-16, Devin Reade  wrote:

> I don't know about the 4501, but the 5501 works fine.

Also, lunch was okay.  Since we are talking about totally different
things.

-- 
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber  na...@mips.inka.de

Re: Soekris 4501 and OpenBSd 5.7

[Stuart Henderson]

On 2015-09-16, Adam Jeanguenat  wrote:
> rosjat wrote:
>> stuck on the entry point msg.
>
> You need to create a boot.conf file with a couple of commands. Read
> this:
>
>http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#PXE
>
> The contents of the file will likely need to be as follows:
>
>stty com0 115200
>set tty com0
>
> The default baud rate is 9600 -- so if you're using a rate other than
> 9600, specify it with the first command.

I think that's what is meant by "I redirected the console", but it would
have been better if the OP had included exact commands and the console
output.

+1 for the amd64 question as that's exactly where that would fail.

Re: Soekris 4501 and OpenBSd 5.7

[Markus Rosjat]

yeah basically :-P

but the hint with the version of the image seems to be the right thing 
to check. I had the image laying arround since earlier this yeah when I 
set up a 6501 so this should be a 64bit image and if I remember right 
4501 is only capable of 32bit. So I'll give it a try with a 32bit image:)


regards

Markus

Am 16.09.2015 um 18:30 schrieb Christian Weisgerber:

On 2015-09-16, Devin Reade  wrote:


I don't know about the 4501, but the 5501 works fine.

Also, lunch was okay.  Since we are talking about totally different
things.



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Re: soekris install error

[Nick Holland]

On 05/15/15 07:33, Edgar Pettijohn III wrote:
 I am trying to install OpenBSD on a Soekris 4801. I am getting the
 following error when I try to partition the disk prior to installing the
 sets. I tried 5.7 and 5.6, so I'm guessing this may be a hardware
 issues. Hopefully someone out there can provide some insight.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Edgar
 
 /dev/rwd0a: 3051.8MB in 6250080 sectors of 512 bytes
 16 cylinder groups of 202.47MB, 12958 blocks, 25984 inodes each
 wd0(pciide0:0:0): timeout
 type: ata
 c_bcount: 8192
 c_skip: 0
 pciide0:0:0: bus-master DMA error: missing interrupt, status=0x21
 pciide0 channel 0: reset failed for drive 0
 wd0a: device timeout writing fsbn 16 of 16-31 (wd0 bn 80; cn 0 tn 1 sn 17), 
 retrying
 pciide0:0:0: not ready, st=0x80BSY, err=0x00
 pciide0 channel 0: reset failed for drive 0
 wd0a: device timeout writing fsbn 16 of 16-31 (wd0 bn 80; cn 0 tn 1 sn 17), 
 retrying

I think you will find this applies:
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq12.html#i386flash

Nick.

Re: soekris install error

[Edgar Pettijohn III]

On May 15, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Nick Holland wrote:

 On 05/15/15 07:33, Edgar Pettijohn III wrote:
 I am trying to install OpenBSD on a Soekris 4801. I am getting the
 following error when I try to partition the disk prior to installing the
 sets. I tried 5.7 and 5.6, so I'm guessing this may be a hardware
 issues. Hopefully someone out there can provide some insight.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Edgar
 
 /dev/rwd0a: 3051.8MB in 6250080 sectors of 512 bytes
 16 cylinder groups of 202.47MB, 12958 blocks, 25984 inodes each
 wd0(pciide0:0:0): timeout
type: ata
c_bcount: 8192
c_skip: 0
 pciide0:0:0: bus-master DMA error: missing interrupt, status=0x21
 pciide0 channel 0: reset failed for drive 0
 wd0a: device timeout writing fsbn 16 of 16-31 (wd0 bn 80; cn 0 tn 1 sn 17), 
 retrying
 pciide0:0:0: not ready, st=0x80BSY, err=0x00
 pciide0 channel 0: reset failed for drive 0
 wd0a: device timeout writing fsbn 16 of 16-31 (wd0 bn 80; cn 0 tn 1 sn 17), 
 retrying
 
 I think you will find this applies:
 http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq12.html#i386flash
 
 Nick.

That did it.  I remember reading that before, but its been a couple months 
since I got the machine and finally have a chance to play with it.

Thanks

Re: Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall

[reza]

Gene,

I've used the PcEngines Alix2d3 board with Freebsd for a similiarly sized 
office and had good success with it. We had a 30mbit pipe, 30 users, VoIP/QoS 
and IPSec to our 3 data centers. Doing IPSec around 15mbit will put some load 
on the CPU but it was able to handle it pretty well. I dont have exact PPS for 
you, but it should be able to do 30mbit/sec easily.

- Original Message -
From: Gene gh5...@gmail.com
To: misc@openbsd.org
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:20:21 AM
Subject: Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall

Is anyone here using the Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall?  If
so what kind of performance are you seeing (throughput, PPS, etc)?

I'm considering this system for a 30-40 user environment.  It will
handle web, ssh, voip, and other basic traffic.  QoS will be needed.

Thanks.

-Gene

Re: Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall

[Gene]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:52 AM, reza r...@lethalnetworks.com wrote:
 Gene,

 I've used the PcEngines Alix2d3 board with Freebsd for a similiarly sized 
 office and had good success with it. We had a 30mbit pipe, 30 users, VoIP/QoS 
 and IPSec to our 3 data centers. Doing IPSec around 15mbit will put some load 
 on the CPU but it was able to handle it pretty well. I dont have exact PPS 
 for you, but it should be able to do 30mbit/sec easily.


The environment will have two WAN connections, each is a 50Mbit/10Mbit pipe.

I have a couple of the ALIX2d3 boards myself.  They're great little
devices.  If it can handle 30Mbit it would seem the larger Soekris
system (Atom 1.6GHz processor, 2 GB RAM, Intel NICs) should be more
than capable.

Thank you.

-Gene

 - Original Message -
 From: Gene gh5...@gmail.com
 To: misc@openbsd.org
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:20:21 AM
 Subject: Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall

 Is anyone here using the Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall?  If
 so what kind of performance are you seeing (throughput, PPS, etc)?

 I'm considering this system for a 30-40 user environment.  It will
 handle web, ssh, voip, and other basic traffic.  QoS will be needed.

 Thanks.

 -Gene

Re: Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall

[Marc Epstein]

Hi

I actually use this system for our office of roughly 10 people. DHCP, 
Squid, SquidGuard, Snort, IPSEC and PF. Works like a champ. Only a 
single 100Mbit pipe coming in, but we are able to hit 97Mbit on 
downloads. I haven't tested the throughput yet on the VPN side.


Marc

On 02/15/2013 02:38 PM, Gene wrote:

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:52 AM, reza r...@lethalnetworks.com wrote:

Gene,

I've used the PcEngines Alix2d3 board with Freebsd for a similiarly sized 
office and had good success with it. We had a 30mbit pipe, 30 users, VoIP/QoS 
and IPSec to our 3 data centers. Doing IPSec around 15mbit will put some load 
on the CPU but it was able to handle it pretty well. I dont have exact PPS for 
you, but it should be able to do 30mbit/sec easily.


The environment will have two WAN connections, each is a 50Mbit/10Mbit pipe.

I have a couple of the ALIX2d3 boards myself.  They're great little
devices.  If it can handle 30Mbit it would seem the larger Soekris
system (Atom 1.6GHz processor, 2 GB RAM, Intel NICs) should be more
than capable.

Thank you.

-Gene


- Original Message -
From: Gene gh5...@gmail.com
To: misc@openbsd.org
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:20:21 AM
Subject: Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall

Is anyone here using the Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall?  If
so what kind of performance are you seeing (throughput, PPS, etc)?

I'm considering this system for a 30-40 user environment.  It will
handle web, ssh, voip, and other basic traffic.  QoS will be needed.

Thanks.

-Gene

Re: Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall

[Michel Blais]

Even a 5501 or Alix would probably be enough for that quantity of user.

If your in north america, you should look lanner fw-7535 that cost less 
than a net6501-70. It's a great router and lanner have a really good 
customer support, one of the best I have seen.


Michel

Re: Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall

[Stuart Henderson]

Depending on pps an alix might be pushing it. In any event it wouldn't
give a lot of headroom.

Soekris 6501, axiomtek na320 etc would be better, though
depending on the environment a dell r210 or some supermicro box
with core/xeon e3 might also be good choices.


On 2013-02-15, reza r...@lethalnetworks.com wrote:
 Gene,

 I've used the PcEngines Alix2d3 board with Freebsd for a similiarly sized 
 office and had good success with it. We had a 30mbit pipe, 30 users, VoIP/QoS 
 and IPSec to our 3 data centers. Doing IPSec around 15mbit will put some load 
 on the CPU but it was able to handle it pretty well. I dont have exact PPS 
 for you, but it should be able to do 30mbit/sec easily.

 - Original Message -
 From: Gene gh5...@gmail.com
 To: misc@openbsd.org
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:20:21 AM
 Subject: Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall

 Is anyone here using the Soekris net6501-70 as a router+firewall?  If
 so what kind of performance are you seeing (throughput, PPS, etc)?

 I'm considering this system for a 30-40 user environment.  It will
 handle web, ssh, voip, and other basic traffic.  QoS will be needed.

 Thanks.

 -Gene

Re: [Soekris] Fwd: mSATA failure on 6501 w/ OpenBSD 5.0

[Jonathan Gray]

Do you have a way to reproduce this?  I have a 6501 with 2GB msata
and haven't seen the problem here.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 02:45:41PM -0800, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote:
 Greetings,

   Any thoughts as to how to get around this - it's only been up for a few
days.
 Rebooting my home router every 24 hours is not spouse endearing behavior :)

   Chris

 On 28Nov2011, at 14.30, Chris Cappuccio wrote:

  here is the key error message. it means your whole ahci disk has
disappeared
 (and anything you can still run is happening from cache.)
 
  --
  ahci0: stopping the port, softreset slot 31 was still active.
  ahci0: failed to reset port during timeout handling, disabling it
  --
 
  likely a reboot will fix it. this is a known problem with ahci driver and
 intel ahci controllers.
 
  the failed to reset port and softreset slot was still active problems
 become really obvious once you start maxing out disks on an ahci controller
 with a softraid array. they rarely present problems in normal use! but, the
 SSD sata drive may evoke different behavior for some reason. i think
 continuous runs of iogen over a RAID1 array might bring out similar issues
all
 by itself, even with regular hard disks
 
  dragonflybsd's port of openbsd's ahci driver has incorporated several of
 workarounds for problems directly related to this. (reset this when that
 happens, etc..) that might be a good place to start looking, if you can
easily
 reproduce the problem then you would know quickly when a ported fix from
their
 driver has helped.

 --
 ff/g?
 Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc
 Current vCard here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.vcf

Re: [Soekris] Fwd: mSATA failure on 6501 w/ OpenBSD 5.0

[Chris Cappuccio]

here is the key error message. it means your whole ahci disk has disappeared 
(and anything you can still run is happening from cache.)

--
ahci0: stopping the port, softreset slot 31 was still active.
ahci0: failed to reset port during timeout handling, disabling it
--

likely a reboot will fix it. this is a known problem with ahci driver and intel 
ahci controllers.

the failed to reset port and softreset slot was still active problems 
become really obvious once you start maxing out disks on an ahci controller 
with a softraid array. they rarely present problems in normal use! but, the SSD 
sata drive may evoke different behavior for some reason. i think continuous 
runs of iogen over a RAID1 array might bring out similar issues all by itself, 
even with regular hard disks 

dragonflybsd's port of openbsd's ahci driver has incorporated several of 
workarounds for problems directly related to this. (reset this when that 
happens, etc..) that might be a good place to start looking, if you can easily 
reproduce the problem then you would know quickly when a ported fix from their 
driver has helped.

Re: [Soekris] Fwd: mSATA failure on 6501 w/ OpenBSD 5.0

[Chris Cappuccio]

Christopher LILJENSTOLPE [soek...@cdl.asgaard.org] wrote:
 Greetings,
 
   Any thoughts as to how to get around this - it's only been up for a few 
 days.  Rebooting my home router every 24 hours is not spouse endearing 
 behavior :)
 

port over some workarounds from dragonfly, or just figure out what is causing 
enough disk access to trigger this behavior and use a different machine for it

-- 
There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; 
all the rest are merely games. - E. Hemingway

Re: [Soekris] Fwd: mSATA failure on 6501 w/ OpenBSD 5.0

[Christopher LILJENSTOLPE]

Greetings,

Any thoughts as to how to get around this - it's only been up for a few 
days.
Rebooting my home router every 24 hours is not spouse endearing behavior :)

Chris

On 28Nov2011, at 14.30, Chris Cappuccio wrote:

 here is the key error message. it means your whole ahci disk has disappeared
(and anything you can still run is happening from cache.)

 --
 ahci0: stopping the port, softreset slot 31 was still active.
 ahci0: failed to reset port during timeout handling, disabling it
 --

 likely a reboot will fix it. this is a known problem with ahci driver and
intel ahci controllers.

 the failed to reset port and softreset slot was still active problems
become really obvious once you start maxing out disks on an ahci controller
with a softraid array. they rarely present problems in normal use! but, the
SSD sata drive may evoke different behavior for some reason. i think
continuous runs of iogen over a RAID1 array might bring out similar issues all
by itself, even with regular hard disks

 dragonflybsd's port of openbsd's ahci driver has incorporated several of
workarounds for problems directly related to this. (reset this when that
happens, etc..) that might be a good place to start looking, if you can easily
reproduce the problem then you would know quickly when a ported fix from their
driver has helped.

--
ff/g?
Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc
Current vCard here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.vcf

Re: Soekris lan1641 and Jetway J7F4K-1G5D

[Jorge Enrique Valbuena Vargas]

Ok, let me understand

You have four ports on your soekris lan 1641, each port has an ip address in
the 172.16.218.0/24 lan ?  is that right for example:

sis0 172.16.218.100
sis1 172.16.218.101
sis2 172.16.218.102 and so on for sis3

is that right ?

Each port with a path cord ?

In my experience i never put all the ports or interfaces on the same network
segment ... that always gives  problems ... if you need all the ports on the
same lan use trunk(8)

Is what i can understand ...



On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:27 AM, James Abercromby jaberc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Has anyone else used this board with this mobo and experienced the same
 issues as described below?

 http://www.itxdepot.com/xcart/product.php?productid=1910cat=44019page=1
 http://soekris.com/products/lan1641.html


 I have tried both 4.9 and recent 5.0 snapshots but nothing earlier yet.

 OpenBSD sees the card and it's interfaces correctly as sis0-3,
 they can successfully pull a dhcp lease or assign a static address.

 dhcp installs the correct default route or you can assign manually.

 When you go to ping.

 you get.

 send to: ping: Host is down

 I have made sure that pf is disabled and ip forwarding is turned off to see
 if these were causing any issues but it has no issues with it.

 Tried this card with the same motherboard using Mint Linux and it was fine.

 Any help/insight would be appreciated.




-- 
Cordialmente,

00110111  00111011

Re: Soekris lan1641 and Jetway J7F4K-1G5D

[Rod Whitworth]

On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:27:11 -0400, James Abercromby wrote:

Has anyone else used this board with this mobo and experienced the same
issues as described below?

http://www.itxdepot.com/xcart/product.php?productid=1910cat=44019page=1
http://soekris.com/products/lan1641.html


I have tried both 4.9 and recent 5.0 snapshots but nothing earlier yet.

OpenBSD sees the card and it's interfaces correctly as sis0-3,
they can successfully pull a dhcp lease or assign a static address.

dhcp installs the correct default route or you can assign manually.

When you go to ping.

you get.

send to: ping: Host is down

I have made sure that pf is disabled and ip forwarding is turned off to see
if these were causing any issues but it has no issues with it.

Tried this card with the same motherboard using Mint Linux and it was fine.

Any help/insight would be appreciated.


I have one in a BGP router, (not with your mobo - we use a Soekris
Net5501) and it runs fine in a very busy hosting site. I forget what
version of OpenBSD is on it but it is on the list for an upgrade in the
very near future. All IPs are static. 

Actually there are two identical units, one being a warm spare. Both
have worked since their pre-install run up.

Sorry I can't think what would cause your problem.

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Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Martin Schröder]

2010/12/3  shweg...@gmail.com:
 Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install OpenBSD on it
 to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy (ssh tunnel), it might

Forget Soekris. Get a Lanner FW7530 or similar.

Best
   Martin

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Pierre Lamy]

I've run both, and agree with this. The Soekris isn't built with very 
good parts (== unstable over time), the Lanner box is a solid performer. 
I'm going to try out the 7535 soon.


Pierre

On 12/4/2010 5:21 PM, Martin Schrvder wrote:

2010/12/3shweg...@gmail.com:

Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install OpenBSD on it
to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy (ssh tunnel), it might

Forget Soekris. Get a Lanner FW7530 or similar.

Best
Martin

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Martin Schröder]

2010/12/5 Pierre Lamy pie...@userid.org:
 I've run both, and agree with this. The Soekris isn't built with very good
 parts (== unstable over time), the Lanner box is a solid performer. I'm
 going to try out the 7535 soon.

Check out the LEC-2026:
http://www.s-connect.ltd.uk/Lanner-Electronics-Inc-/Lanner-LEC-2026/p2831.html

It's the industrial variant of the 7530.

Best
   Martin

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[shwegime]

On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, Martin SchrC6der wrote:

 2010/12/3  shweg...@gmail.com:
 Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install OpenBSD on it
 to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy (ssh tunnel), it might

 Forget Soekris. Get a Lanner FW7530 or similar.

 Best
   Martin


Thank you, I'll check it out, the funny is, I cannot a price range on the 
web.

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Martin Schröder]

2010/12/5  shweg...@gmail.com:
 Thank you, I'll check it out, the funny is, I cannot a price range on the
 web.

Ask a distributor. The FW7530 was about 400 in Germany when I asked.

Best
   Martin

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[shwegime]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Matt Bettinger wrote:


On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:28 AM,  shweg...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install OpenBSD on it
to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy (ssh tunnel), it might
serve as backup file sever as well. I guess at the most there will be
two-three computers connnected at the same time, and there might be some
streaming video going through, like the videos you find on online
newspapers. I have googled around, and read that this kind of hardware is
fine as a router but not so much as a server. Is it true?
Thank you for any suggestions.
I was also considering using a netbook for the task. What about it?
Thanks in advance.




Hi,

I have an net5501-70 myself and have been using it for last few years
as my gateway.  It can handle a couple of  ipsec connections and
handle  ~5-7 devices connected behind it.  It can get bogged down on
the network interrupts on the card.  Say,  for example when multiple
torrents are running off my DMZ.I really do not think it would act
as a good file server.  I would NOT use a laptop as a file server
either.  My file server I use is OpenBSD on an dell crap box with
mirror raid.  By the way,  I run current on everything.

re,

mb



So, if I use it only for ssh tunneling both soekris and netbook would be 
fine? Of course, it has to be on 24*7.

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Adam M. Dutko]

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:28 AM,  shweg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install OpenBSD on
 it
 to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy (ssh tunnel), it
 might
 serve as backup file sever as well. I guess at the most there will be
 two-three computers connnected at the same time, and there might be some
 streaming video going through, like the videos you find on online
 newspapers. I have googled around, and read that this kind of hardware is
 fine as a router but not so much as a server. Is it true?
 Thank you for any suggestions.
 I was also considering using a netbook for the task. What about it?
 Thanks in advance.



I own a 45xx series Soekris system which handles DMZ traffic (2 low load
production web servers + RCS repositories, and 3 build systems for MariaDB),
internal traffic (my home network for streaming movies and internet access)
and ssh access to my DMZ just fine.  The specifications for the Soekris
system you mentioned don't lead me to be believe they'd be great for file
server duty.  When I think of file servers I think of fast disk (5501 can
use SATA so that's a plus) coupled with a battery backed RAID controller
with gobs of cache and redundancy somewhere preserving my data in case of
disk failure.  If your disk goes on the 5501 I imagine you're toast unless
you have a continual backup process that doesn't chew your available
bandwidth to zero.


 So, if I use it only for ssh tunneling both soekris and netbook would be
 fine? Of course, it has to be on 24*7.


When I think of these machines and similar ones I think configuration file
backup and restore.  What I mean by that is you should be OK with waking up
one day and finding your machine dead but able to get backup and running in
a less than 20 minutes using a new device and your configuration file
backups.  I am NOT implying Soekris boards are unreliable, I love mine and
would buy more if I needed to, but I am saying that planning for failure
should be one of the first things considered when you're constructing a
critical piece of your home/business network.

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Patrick Lamaiziere]

Le Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:28:19 +0800 (CST),
shweg...@gmail.com a icrit :

 Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install
 OpenBSD on it to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy
 (ssh tunnel), it might serve as backup file sever as well. I guess at
 the most there will be two-three computers connnected at the same
 time, and there might be some streaming video going through, like the
 videos you find on online newspapers. I have googled around, and read
 that this kind of hardware is fine as a router but not so much as a
 server. Is it true? Thank you for any 
 suggestions.

It depends on the connection, do not expect a 100M/bits link.
I use a net5501 for my all-in-one box (file server (samba), printers
share, router, ...). The file server is not very speed but is enougth
for doing backups. (From time to time, backup the server to an external
usb disk).

 I was also considering using a netbook for the task. What 
 about it?

I don't think a netbook will be reliable running 24/24.

This was my only concern on the net5501, the reliablity of the internal
2.5 disk drive, looks good after 3 years.

Check the soekris-tech mailing list, questions about performances are
often asked.

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Patrick Lamaiziere]

Le Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:44:43 -0500,
Adam M. Dutko dutko.a...@gmail.com a icrit :

 The specifications for the Soekris system you mentioned don't lead me
 to be believe they'd be great for file server duty.  When I think of
 file servers I think of fast disk (5501 can use SATA so that's a
 plus)

On the net5501 this is not a real SATA, the box uses a PATA-SATA adapter
behind the cs5536 chipset.

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[gimeshwe]

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote:

 Le Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:28:19 +0800 (CST),
 shweg...@gmail.com a C)crit :

 Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install
 OpenBSD on it to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy
 (ssh tunnel), it might serve as backup file sever as well. I guess at
 the most there will be two-three computers connnected at the same
 time, and there might be some streaming video going through, like the
 videos you find on online newspapers. I have googled around, and read
 that this kind of hardware is fine as a router but not so much as a
 server. Is it true? Thank you for any
 suggestions.

 It depends on the connection, do not expect a 100M/bits link.
 I use a net5501 for my all-in-one box (file server (samba), printers
 share, router, ...). The file server is not very speed but is enougth
 for doing backups. (From time to time, backup the server to an external
 usb disk).

 I was also considering using a netbook for the task. What
 about it?

 I don't think a netbook will be reliable running 24/24.

 This was my only concern on the net5501, the reliablity of the internal
 2.5 disk drive, looks good after 3 years.

 Check the soekris-tech mailing list, questions about performances are
 often asked.


Thank you all, I don't need cutting-edge speed, and from what 
you say, Soekris should just be fine. For file server I have not been 
clear, in fact I meant a backup server, so it should probably handle all 
of it quite fine. I'm also checking out a few fanless Atom mini-pcs, but 
at about the same price soekris is probably more fit for the job.

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Axton]

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, gimes...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote:

  Le Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:28:19 +0800 (CST),
  shweg...@gmail.com a C)crit :
 
  Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install
  OpenBSD on it to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy
  (ssh tunnel), it might serve as backup file sever as well. I guess at
  the most there will be two-three computers connnected at the same
  time, and there might be some streaming video going through, like the
  videos you find on online newspapers. I have googled around, and read
  that this kind of hardware is fine as a router but not so much as a
  server. Is it true? Thank you for any
  suggestions.
 
  It depends on the connection, do not expect a 100M/bits link.
  I use a net5501 for my all-in-one box (file server (samba), printers
  share, router, ...). The file server is not very speed but is enougth
  for doing backups. (From time to time, backup the server to an external
  usb disk).
 
  I was also considering using a netbook for the task. What
  about it?
 
  I don't think a netbook will be reliable running 24/24.
 
  This was my only concern on the net5501, the reliablity of the internal
  2.5 disk drive, looks good after 3 years.
 
  Check the soekris-tech mailing list, questions about performances are
  often asked.
 

 Thank you all, I don't need cutting-edge speed, and from what
 you say, Soekris should just be fine. For file server I have not been
 clear, in fact I meant a backup server, so it should probably handle all
 of it quite fine. I'm also checking out a few fanless Atom mini-pcs, but
 at about the same price soekris is probably more fit for the job.

 I've been using one of these for the last couple of months and have been
happy with it's performance.  The IPMI capabilities are very nice.

http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/#Atom
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/#Atom
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-PHF.cfm

The only thing I don't care for on it is the trusted platform module chip.
 The boards have a jumper to disable the chip, but the pins on the
motherboard have been removed, so you can not disable it without some
soldering.

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Ted Unangst]

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:28 AM,  shweg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install OpenBSD on it
 to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy (ssh tunnel), it might
 serve as backup file sever as well. I guess at the most there will be
 two-three computers connnected at the same time, and there might be some
 streaming video going through, like the videos you find on online
 newspapers. I have googled around, and read that this kind of hardware is
 fine as a router but not so much as a server. Is it true?
 Thank you for any suggestions.
 I was also considering using a netbook for the task. What about it?

the only reason i don't/wouldn't use my soekris as a server (actually,
i do use it as a dns and dhcp server) is limited storage.  a single
2.5in disk is not my ideal backup server configuration.

Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question

[Chris Smith]

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Axton axton.gr...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-PHF.cfm

I've built up several of the EHF variety for both firewall and server
purposes. The EHF model supersedes the PHF with a smaller board that
provides room to make use of the included riser card. It is not
fanless but the fan can be virtually disabled via the BIOS. The
embedded IPMI support is really superb, providing serial over LAN,
virtual CD  floppy, etc. Intel NIC's with PXE support. Yada, yada,
yada...highly recommended.

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[Stuart Henderson]

On 2010-04-07, russell russ...@dotplan.dyndns.org wrote:

 Speaking of which, I would love to test patches for the ath 5424, be 
 awesome if I could use the internal radio..


sure, go ahead. see the tech@ list archives for mail from Luis Henriques.

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[russell]

I am curious, though, what brands of wifi cards OpenBSD folks use for
APs.  From when I was investigating this a year or so ago the ral
cards (per the man pages) were about the only ones without some sort
of caveat in AP mode.

yep, ral(4) works quite well for me

ifconfig ral0
ral0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
lladdr 00:0e:3b:08:45:41
groups: wlan
media: IEEE802.11 autoselect mode 11g hostap
status: active
ieee80211: nwid bervix_castor chan 8 bssid 00:0e:3b:08:45:41 100dBm

dmesg snip
cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0
cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 2 device 0 cacheline 0x8, lattimer 0x20
pcmcia0 at cardslot0
biomask f355 netmask f775 ttymask f7ff
mtrr: K6-family MTRR support (2 registers)
softraid0 at root
root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b
ral0 at cardbus0 dev 0 function 0 Ralink RT2560 rev 0x01: irq 12, 
address 00:0e:3b:08:45:41

ral0: MAC/BBP RT2560 (rev 0x04), RF RT2525

I have two different pcmcia ral(4) cards that work great in hostap mode
and a rum(4) usb radio that tries(no errors) but people have trouble 
connecting.


I bought a couple mini pci ath cards to go with a pcengine board
that was going to replace my AP(currently a old ibm aptiva with a pcmcia 
card) but they turned out to be ath 2413 and they don't quite work 
right. I am sure it will only take a minor tweak to get them going but I 
have never got around to it.


My other ath card, a 5424 in a eeepc 701, does not work ether, I am 
thinking that would take a little more work to get going however.


Speaking of which, I would love to test patches for the ath 5424, be 
awesome if I could use the internal radio..

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[Stuart Henderson]

On 2010-04-07, corey clingo clinge...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote:
 In gmane.os.openbsd.misc, you wrote:
 Anyway, I'm looking for suggestions on how to proceed in
 troubleshooting this.

 I would try another OS with as different a driver as possible
 (e.g. probably Linux).



 True, but if I put that much time into it I'd probably load that
 alternate OS onto an external access point and be done with it.

It depends whether you're trying to track down the problem (i.e. whether
it's a driver or hardware problem) or just want a working AP.

 I am curious, though, what brands of wifi cards OpenBSD folks use for
 APs.  From when I was investigating this a year or so ago the ral
 cards (per the man pages) were about the only ones without some sort
 of caveat in AP mode.

The newest ones that I've had personal experience of being problem-
free in AP mode are the old PRISM cards (when running suitable firmware
on them) and one specific model of ath(4) (the one IBM used to use in
some Thinkpads)...

I've had reasonable success with RT2860 ral(4) and acx(4) but there
have been some problems. RF performance of the 2.4GHz RT2860 has been
really good for me, but there are still problems, I have to ifconfig
down+up from cron to avoid the worst of the hangs on some AP dealing
with a wider range of clients (probably the same as you see e.g.
client associates but doesn't get working network access).. acx(4)
are near impossible to obtain without ripping them from a commercial
AP (and there they aren't widely used any more) and RF performance
isn't so good but they were working a bit more reliably for me.
So with heavy heart I had to resort to commercial boxes in some places...

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[Daniel Melameth]

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote:
 The newest ones that I've had personal experience of being problem-
 free in AP mode are the old PRISM cards (when running suitable firmware
 on them) and one specific model of ath(4) (the one IBM used to use in
 some Thinkpads)...

The only AP that every worked reliably for me was the venerable 11b wi(4).

 I've had reasonable success with RT2860 ral(4) and acx(4) but there
 have been some problems. RF performance of the 2.4GHz RT2860 has been
 really good for me, but there are still problems, I have to ifconfig
 down+up from cron to avoid the worst of the hangs on some AP dealing
 with a wider range of clients (probably the same as you see e.g.
 client associates but doesn't get working network access).. acx(4)
 are near impossible to obtain without ripping them from a commercial
 AP (and there they aren't widely used any more) and RF performance
 isn't so good but they were working a bit more reliably for me.
 So with heavy heart I had to resort to commercial boxes in some places...

I concur with this completely.  I have used over a half dozen
different pieces of hardware in an attempt to find a stable AP
solution on OpenBSD--and have worked with a couple developers to track
down and fix various bugs--but I was never able to achieve this.  If
you want a stable AP, that'll work with varied clients, you will
likely not find it in OpenBSD at this time.

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[Brad Tilley]

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:18 -0600, Daniel Melameth dan...@melameth.com
wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org
 wrote:
  The newest ones that I've had personal experience of being problem-
  free in AP mode are the old PRISM cards (when running suitable firmware
  on them) and one specific model of ath(4) (the one IBM used to use in
  some Thinkpads)...
 
 The only AP that every worked reliably for me was the venerable 11b
 wi(4).
 
  I've had reasonable success with RT2860 ral(4) and acx(4) but there
  have been some problems. RF performance of the 2.4GHz RT2860 has been
  really good for me, but there are still problems, I have to ifconfig
  down+up from cron to avoid the worst of the hangs on some AP dealing
  with a wider range of clients (probably the same as you see e.g.
  client associates but doesn't get working network access).. acx(4)
  are near impossible to obtain without ripping them from a commercial
  AP (and there they aren't widely used any more) and RF performance
  isn't so good but they were working a bit more reliably for me.
  So with heavy heart I had to resort to commercial boxes in some places...
 
 I concur with this completely.  I have used over a half dozen
 different pieces of hardware in an attempt to find a stable AP
 solution on OpenBSD--and have worked with a couple developers to track
 down and fix various bugs--but I was never able to achieve this.  If
 you want a stable AP, that'll work with varied clients, you will
 likely not find it in OpenBSD at this time.

Me too. Went to the Penguin! Felt bad about it, but now have a stable
AP.

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[corey clingo]

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote:
 In gmane.os.openbsd.misc, you wrote:
 Anyway, I'm looking for suggestions on how to proceed in
 troubleshooting this.

 I would try another OS with as different a driver as possible
 (e.g. probably Linux).



True, but if I put that much time into it I'd probably load that
alternate OS onto an external access point and be done with it.

I am curious, though, what brands of wifi cards OpenBSD folks use for
APs.  From when I was investigating this a year or so ago the ral
cards (per the man pages) were about the only ones without some sort
of caveat in AP mode.

Corey

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[corey clingo]

Some more info:

1. I checked the PSU with it plugged into a 5-ohm dummy load, and into
the Soekris.  With the dummy load, the voltage fell to 11.5 volts --
pretty crappy regulation, but still well within the Soekris' specs.
The dummy load is drawing over 2A at that voltage.

In the Soekris, the PSU puts out right at 12V.  I even put a scope on
it to check for ripple, but it was minimal.

2. The SparkLAN ral card gets a little warm while running, but not
bad.  I switched it to the miniPCI slot with no discernable (to the
back of my hand) difference in temperature, though what effect it had
on the Soekris I don't know.  Didn't seem to affect anything, though,
at least for the two days I ran it that way.  I moved it back to the
PCI carrier card, which is completely passive as I expected.

3. I started having difficulty getting my Windows 7 laptop to connect
at all.  It would associate, but not get an IP, and dhcpd on the
Soekris saw/logged nothing.  I thought back to the anomaly I saw in
the ifconfig output, where it said the card was in 11a mode but
operating on channel 11, in the 2.4 GHz band (a g channel).  After
reading the ral man page I tried forcing it to 11g mode with a mode
11g in the hostname.ral0; after I did that, the laptop connected
fine.

Why it worked before in that disjoint mode I don't know.  Maybe that
was the problem all along; I'll follow up in a few days to help future
Googlers.  [Side note: I tried using 11a mode, but the transmit
power appears to be very weak with this card on a couple of different
11a channels I tried, at least relative to an access point I used to
have.  It's a disappointment, since being able to use the uncluttered
5 GHz band is one reason I bought this dual-band card.]

I'll wrap this up with a final shout out to the OpenBSD devs.  I had
to fix a relative's Dell Mini 9 netbook running Ubuntu over the last
few days, and had to get dirty at the command line because all of
Ubuntu's user-friendliness couldn't make up for Dell's poor choice
of vendors for some of its hardware.  All the myriad configuration
files, ifconfig/iwconfig/wpa_supplicant BS, and flakiness of the
Mini's Broadcom wifi card and its proprietary driver made OpenBSD's
simple, ifconfig-does-everything approach shine all the more brightly.

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[corey clingo]

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:06 PM, FRLinux frli...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Corey clinge...@gmail.com wrote:
 I saw them, yes.  Soekris Engineering says the net5501 itself draws 20W
max.
  My power supply is rated for 40W.  I doubt that little miniPCI card draws
 20 watts.

 Yes, but how many amps?

 Steph


The PSU is 12V, so from basic DC circuit theory, 40W / 12V = 3.333A.
The power supply tag backs up Ohm's law and says 3.34A.

The Soekris spec lists watts, too, but if you don't have one of these
units you may not of course know the PSU voltage.

It is some no-name Chinese PSU, but the ratings at least are plenty
beefy for my setup I would think (there's nothing else in the
Soekris).  Like I said, I'll do some basic electrical checks once I
get it apart again.

Corey

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[FRLinux]

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Corey clinge...@gmail.com wrote:
 I saw them, yes.  Soekris Engineering says the net5501 itself draws 20W
max.
  My power supply is rated for 40W.  I doubt that little miniPCI card draws
 20 watts.

Yes, but how many amps?

Steph

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[Matt Bettinger]

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:06 PM, FRLinux frli...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Corey clinge...@gmail.com wrote:
 I saw them, yes.  Soekris Engineering says the net5501 itself draws 20W
 max.
  My power supply is rated for 40W.  I doubt that little miniPCI card draws
 20 watts.

 Yes, but how many amps?

 Steph




I had power issues with my net5501-70.  I threw away the crappy  psu
that came with it and replaced with an netgear I had laying around
12V 1.2 amp.  The 5501 has hifn card and dual port gig  pci  card.  I
would direct this to  soekris ML.

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[FRLinux]

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:34 AM, corey clingo clinge...@gmail.com wrote:
 Reposting this, as I posted Friday evening when fewer people were
 probably reading and haven't heard anything.  If that's not the
 reason, then sorry for the noise.

Hello, have you looked at the ML posts? Which power supply are you
running? Chances are it is not beefy enough for it.

Cheers,
Steph

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[Corey]

On 04/01/2010 04:43 PM, FRLinux wrote:

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:34 AM, corey clingoclinge...@gmail.com  wrote:
   

Reposting this, as I posted Friday evening when fewer people were
probably reading and haven't heard anything.  If that's not the
reason, then sorry for the noise.
 

Hello, have you looked at the ML posts? Which power supply are you
running? Chances are it is not beefy enough for it.

Cheers,
Steph
   


I saw them, yes.  Soekris Engineering says the net5501 itself draws 20W 
max.  My power supply is rated for 40W.  I doubt that little miniPCI 
card draws 20 watts.


This weekend if I get time I'll move the card to the miniPCI slot in the 
Soekris, as a shot in the dark.  Right now it's in one of those PCI 
carrier cards so I could drill holes in the metal stab for the antenna 
cables.  While it's apart I may poke around with the Fluke to rule out 
PS issues, but I doubt that's it.


I had another gentleman with the exact same setup email me privately 
that he was having the exact same problem.  He has turned on the 
watchdog to get around it -- which I have done as well, since the kernel 
is not invoking ddb when this happens.


Regards,
Corey

Re: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI

[corey clingo]

Reposting this, as I posted Friday evening when fewer people were
probably reading and haven't heard anything.  If that's not the
reason, then sorry for the noise.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Corey clinge...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:23 PM
Subject: Soekris net5501 locks up with Ralink 2860 miniPCI
To: misc@openbsd.org


I'm having trouble with my Soekris net5501 home router (and now wifi
access point) locking up.  Prior to installing the wifi I had it
running various snapshots for about 6 months, no problem.  (My wifi at
that time was a separate Linksys WRT54GS running Tomato.)

I had wanted to toy with integrating the wifi into the Soekris, so I
bought a Sparklan WMIR-200N a/g/n card based on the Ralink 2860+2850
chips.  I sat on it for awhile, but recently I loaned my Linksys to
some friends in need and decided to grab a January snapshot and give
it a go.

It worked fine for a week or so, but then I began experiencing hard
lockups - no serial console, no ddb, no wired or wifi network access,
nothing.  It seems to only happen when the wifi is being used, though
not necessarily heavily, and at random times -- a couple days to a
week between incidents.  A power-off of the Soekris is required to
reset it, and after that everything is fine, for awhile.

I loaded a March 17th snap, hoping for the best, and removed my custom
read-only/writes-to-ramdisk filesystem setup in favor of a vanilla
install to CF.  No luck; it has locked up twice since then.

Anyway, I'm looking for suggestions on how to proceed in
troubleshooting this.  I realize it could be bad hardware -- wifi card
I guess, since the Soekris worked fine before that.  The card is less
than a year old, and unfortunately I don't have another computer with
miniPCI to try it in.

Thanks in advance for any and all input.  If you need any more info let me
know.

Corey

p.s. one weird thing is the way ifconfig says it's in 11a mode when
I have chosen channel 11 (802.11g), and the clients see it as g.  The
802.11a never worked very well with this card.


# cat /etc/hostname.ral0
inet 172.31.2.1 255.255.255.0 NONE -inet6 media autoselect mediaopt hostap \
   nwid soekris chan 11 wpa wpaciphers ccmp wpagroupcipher ccmp \
   wpaprotos wpa2 wpapsk \
   0x7a52611d1f4df429133fc39094953233b56d968222366b9774b3


# ifconfig ral0
ral0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
   lladdr 00:0e:8e:20:82:9f
   priority: 4
   groups: wlan
   media: IEEE802.11 autoselect hostap (autoselect mode 11a hostap)
   status: active
   ieee80211: nwid soekris chan 11 bssid 00:0e:8e:20:82:9f wpapsk
0x7a52611d1f4df429133fc39094953233b56d968222366b9774b3
wpaprotos wpa2 wpaakms psk wpaciphers ccmp wpagroupcipher ccmp
   inet 172.31.2.1 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 172.31.2.255


# dmesg
OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC) #558: Wed Mar 17 20:46:15 MDT 2010
   dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS (AuthenticAMD
586-class) 500 MHz
cpu0: FPU,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,CX8,SEP,PGE,CMOV,CFLUSH,MMX
real mem  = 536440832 (511MB)
avail mem = 511062016 (487MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 20/80/26, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfac40
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.0 @ 0xf/0x1
pcibios0: pcibios_get_intr_routing - function not supported
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing information unavailable.
pcibios0: PCI bus #0 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc8000/0xa800
cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor)
amdmsr0 at mainbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios)
io address conflict 0x6100/0x100
io address conflict 0x6200/0x200
pchb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 AMD Geode LX rev 0x31
glxsb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 2 AMD Geode LX Crypto rev 0x00: RNG AES
vr0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 VIA VT6105M RhineIII rev 0x96: irq 11,
address 00:00:24:c8:b2:74
ukphy0 at vr0 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 3: OUI
0x004063, model 0x0034
vr1 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 VIA VT6105M RhineIII rev 0x96: irq 5,
address 00:00:24:c8:b2:75
ukphy1 at vr1 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 3: OUI
0x004063, model 0x0034
vr2 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 VIA VT6105M RhineIII rev 0x96: irq 9,
address 00:00:24:c8:b2:76
ukphy2 at vr2 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 3: OUI
0x004063, model 0x0034
vr3 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 VIA VT6105M RhineIII rev 0x96: irq 12,
address 00:00:24:c8:b2:77
ukphy3 at vr3 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 3: OUI
0x004063, model 0x0034
ral0 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 Ralink RT2860 rev 0x00: irq 10,
address 00:0e:8e:20:82:9f
ral0: MAC/BBP RT2860 (rev 0x0102), RF RT2850 (MIMO 2T3R)
glxpcib0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 AMD CS5536 ISA rev 0x03: rev 3,
32-bit 3579545Hz timer, watchdog, gpio
gpio0 at glxpcib0: 32 pins
pciide0 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 AMD CS5536 IDE rev 0x01: DMA,
channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to compatibility
wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: SanDisk 

Re: Soekris net5501 OpenBSD 4.5 Booting Problem

[Theo de Raadt]

 I cannot get a Soekris net5501 to boot OpenBSD 4.5 from a hard drive.
 
 Much traffic has passed on the Soekris email list.  I've now included
 misc@OpenBSD.org, because it might be an OpenBSD problem.
 
 I re-installed OpenBSD.  And I noticed a problem at the end of the
 install process.  I have a broken MBR.  This is probably why my
 Soekris net5501 won't boot from hard drive.
 
 - start of transcript -
 Installing boot block...
 boot: /mnt/boot
 proto: /usr/mdec/biosboot
 device: /dev/rwd0c
 /usr/mdec/biosboot: entry point 0
 proto bootblock size 512
 /mnt/boot is 3 blocks x 16384 bytes
 fs block shift 2; part offset 63; inode block 24, offset 11048
 installboot: broken MBR
 done.
 - end of transcript -
 
 Notice that I have a broken MBR.  This is bad.  I've never seen this
 happen before.
 
 Here is my partitioning and slicing information:
 - start of transcript -
 # fdisk wd0
 Disk: wd0   geometry: 12161/255/63 [195371568 Sectors]
 Offset: 0   Signature: 0x0

  ^^

That is not a valid MBR.  Use fdisk to fix this.  It is now required
that the MBR has a correct signature.  If the signature is not 0xAA55,
it is not a MBR partition.

Re: [Soekris] Soekris net5501 OpenBSD 4.5 Booting Problem

[Bill Maas]

Hi Ken,

On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 09:09 -0400, Hendrickson, Kenneth wrote:
   *0: A6  0   1   1 -131 127  63 [  63: 2112516 ] 
   OpenBSD 
1: DA131 128   1 -262 254  63 [ 2112579: 2112516 ] 
   Unknown ID
2: DA263   0   1 -   6211 254  63 [ 4225095:95570685 ] 
   Unknown ID
3: DA   6212   0   1 -  12160 254  63 [99795780:95570685 ] 
   Unknown ID
  
  Just follow the instructions in the OpenBSD installer, offered by
  default. When it prompts you 'Do you want to use all of wd0 for OpenBSD',
  just say yes, it will run fdisk -i
  
  It will make partition 3 the default active bootable one
 
 But I *never* want to use the entire disk for OpenBSD.  I have a system for
 quick recovery in case of a disaster.  I only use half of the disk.  When I
 install a new version of OpenBSD, I use the other half of the disk.  That way,
 if a disaster happens, I can quickly boot, run fdisk -- changing the bootable
 partition, and then reboot into my previous system.
 
 In the above fdisk output, partitions 0 and 2 are my current system, while
 partitions 1 and 3 are my last and next systems.  After I install a new system
 onto partitions 1 and 3, partitions 0 and 2 will become my last and next
 systems.
 
 (Using 2 partitions like this is a holdover from the days when the bootable
 partition had to be in the first few cylinders of the drive.)

From Absolute OpenBSD - UNIX for the practical paranoid by Michael Lucas
I've learned that:

OpenBSD partitions need to go within a single MBR partition. Dedicate a
single MBR partition ... There can only be one OpenBSD MBR partition per
hard disk.

I can't make much sense of what you describe here, but to me it looks
like it suggests that you're using a single disklabel which spans more
than one MBR partition. Or even moving around the disklabel at will. If
so, would you be willing to publish something like a howto on this
subject?. Or else tell us where to find one? I know about multiple
OpenBSD installations inside a single set of subpartitions, but that's
still a single MBR partition. No fdisk or disklabel involved after
initial setup, but probably more vulnerable than what you describe here.

Bill 

 I'm surprised more people don't do this.  It provides for very quick and easy
 recovery in the case of a disaster.  (I've only ever had such a disaster once;
 I've been using OpenBSD since late 1996.)
 
 The other advantage of this system is that it provides an easy means for
 seeing how I did things previously.  I can quickly run disklabel, use an
 empty slice to point to one of my old slices, and then mount it.  After I'm
 done I can run disklabel again and put it back.
 
 So I never want to use the entire disk for OpenBSD.  Therefore, I will need
 to remember to escape to a shell and run fdisk -u when installing to a
 virgin disk.
 
 It would be nice if the OpenBSD install procedure checked for the lack of
 a valid MBR, and installed one automatically (after asking); that would
 save some people from experiencing the problem I experienced.
 
 Ken Hendrickson
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Re: Soekris net5501 OpenBSD 4.5 Booting Problem

[Hendrickson, Kenneth]

  *0: A6  0   1   1 -131 127  63 [  63: 2112516 ]
OpenBSD
   1: DA131 128   1 -262 254  63 [ 2112579: 2112516 ]
Unknown ID
   2: DA263   0   1 -   6211 254  63 [ 4225095:95570685 ]
Unknown ID
   3: DA   6212   0   1 -  12160 254  63 [99795780:95570685 ]
Unknown ID

 Just follow the instructions in the OpenBSD installer, offered by
 default. When it prompts you 'Do you want to use all of wd0 for OpenBSD',
 just say yes, it will run fdisk -i

 It will make partition 3 the default active bootable one

But I *never* want to use the entire disk for OpenBSD.  I have a system for
quick recovery in case of a disaster.  I only use half of the disk.  When I
install a new version of OpenBSD, I use the other half of the disk.  That
way,
if a disaster happens, I can quickly boot, run fdisk -- changing the bootable
partition, and then reboot into my previous system.

In the above fdisk output, partitions 0 and 2 are my current system, while
partitions 1 and 3 are my last and next systems.  After I install a new
system
onto partitions 1 and 3, partitions 0 and 2 will become my last and next
systems.

(Using 2 partitions like this is a holdover from the days when the bootable
partition had to be in the first few cylinders of the drive.)

I'm surprised more people don't do this.  It provides for very quick and easy
recovery in the case of a disaster.  (I've only ever had such a disaster
once;
I've been using OpenBSD since late 1996.)

The other advantage of this system is that it provides an easy means for
seeing how I did things previously.  I can quickly run disklabel, use an
empty slice to point to one of my old slices, and then mount it.  After I'm
done I can run disklabel again and put it back.

So I never want to use the entire disk for OpenBSD.  Therefore, I will need
to remember to escape to a shell and run fdisk -u when installing to a
virgin disk.

It would be nice if the OpenBSD install procedure checked for the lack of
a valid MBR, and installed one automatically (after asking); that would
save some people from experiencing the problem I experienced.

Ken Hendrickson

Re: Soekris net5501 OpenBSD 4.5 Booting Problem

[Hendrickson, Kenneth]

I cannot get a Soekris net5501 to boot OpenBSD 4.5 from a hard drive.

Much traffic has passed on the Soekris email list.  I've now included
misc@OpenBSD.org, because it might be an OpenBSD problem.

I re-installed OpenBSD.  And I noticed a problem at the end of the
install process.  I have a broken MBR.  This is probably why my
Soekris net5501 won't boot from hard drive.

- start of transcript -
Installing boot block...
boot: /mnt/boot
proto: /usr/mdec/biosboot
device: /dev/rwd0c
/usr/mdec/biosboot: entry point 0
proto bootblock size 512
/mnt/boot is 3 blocks x 16384 bytes
fs block shift 2; part offset 63; inode block 24, offset 11048
installboot: broken MBR
done.
- end of transcript -

Notice that I have a broken MBR.  This is bad.  I've never seen this
happen before.

Here is my partitioning and slicing information:
- start of transcript -
# fdisk wd0
Disk: wd0   geometry: 12161/255/63 [195371568 Sectors]
Offset: 0   Signature: 0x0
Starting Ending LBA Info:
 #: id  C   H   S -  C   H   S [   start:size ]
-
--
*0: A6  0   1   1 -131 127  63 [  63: 2112516 ] OpenBSD
 1: DA131 128   1 -262 254  63 [ 2112579: 2112516 ] Unknown
ID
 2: DA263   0   1 -   6211 254  63 [ 4225095:95570685 ] Unknown
ID
 3: DA   6212   0   1 -  12160 254  63 [99795780:95570685 ] Unknown
ID
# disklabel wd0
# /dev/rwd0c:
type: ESDI
disk: ESDI/IDE disk
label: FUJITSU MHW2100B
flags:
bytes/sector: 512
sectors/track: 63
tracks/cylinder: 255
sectors/cylinder: 16065
cylinders: 12161
total sectors: 195371568
rpm: 3600
interleave: 1
trackskew: 0
cylinderskew: 0
headswitch: 0   # microseconds
track-to-track seek: 0  # microseconds
drivedata: 0

16 partitions:
#size   offset  fstype [fsize bsize  cpg]
  a:  2112516   63  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  b:  1076355  4225095swap
  c:1953715680  unused
  d:  2112516  5301450  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  e:  4201029  7413966  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  f:  4209030 11614995  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  g:  4209030 15824025  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  h:  4209030 20033055  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  i:  2112516  2112579 unknown
  j:  2104515 28451115  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  k: 95570685 99795780 unknown
  l:  2104515 24242085  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  m:  2104515 26346600  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  n: 50347710 30555630  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  o: 16787925 80903340  4.2BSD   2048 163841
  p:  2104515 97691265  4.2BSD   2048 163841
# mount -t ffs /dev/wd0a /mnt
# cat /mnt/etc/fstab
/dev/wd0a / ffs rw 1 1
/dev/wd0d /altroot ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
/dev/wd0j /root ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
/dev/wd0e /tmp ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
/dev/wd0n /usr ffs rw,nodev 1 2
/dev/wd0p /usr/local/src ffs rw,nodev 1 2
/dev/wd0o /usr/obj ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
/dev/wd0f /var ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
/dev/wd0h /var/crash ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
/dev/wd0l /var/log ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
/dev/wd0m /var/mail ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
/dev/wd0g /var/tmp ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2
# umount /mnt
- end of transcript -

What do I need to do to fix this problem?  I realize this is as much an
OpenBSD problem (or more so) as it is a Soekris net5501 problem.

Is there a problem with my disk partitioning?

Is there a problem with my OpenBSD partition disk slicing?

I can provide a full transcript of the install if it will help.

Thanks In Advance,
Ken Hendrickson

Re: Soekris Net 5501 RT2860/2850 hangs in 4.6-beta

[Ian Lindsay]

To clarify, can you give an exact procedure to reproduce?
(E.g. an ftp transfer of a 100MB file from the internet to
another box, routed through onboard ethernet on the Soekris)

I've been getting seemingly random occasional hangs with ral
in HostAP mode that I haven't been able to correlate with
any kind of traffic.

Re: Soekris Net 5501 RT2860/2850 hangs in 4.6-beta

[Nenhum_de_Nos]

On Tue, July 7, 2009 03:43, Ian Lindsay wrote:
 To clarify, can you give an exact procedure to reproduce?
 (E.g. an ftp transfer of a 100MB file from the internet to
 another box, routed through onboard ethernet on the Soekris)

 I've been getting seemingly random occasional hangs with ral
 in HostAP mode that I haven't been able to correlate with
 any kind of traffic.

as is hostap the subject, here it goes: I've always seen people say to do
OpenBSD based AP, but I always get to see hostap on OpenBSD just makes
inter-AP stuff. can I make a wpa/wpa2 based ap using OpenBSD ? I have an
atheros card that is well suported.

based on:
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=hostapdapropos=0sektion=0manpath=OpenBSD+Currentarch=i386format=html

thanks,

matheus

-- 
We will call you cygnus,
The God of balance you shall be

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Tom]

Just a quick update.

Blew away 4.5-current I had on there (think it was April 27th) and put
4.5-release on to see if that makes any difference.
(Previously, my Feb 28th 4.4-current snapshot had been running just
fine.) Still get the odd lockup, and also get the Soekris
locking up if I send it a lot of data (bittorrent, large scp, etc..)

My power supply is fine. It's a 36W one with 12V, 3A DC output (model
GFP361SA-1230-1). It's not one of those dodgy Soekris
power adapters that were known to spontaneously fail (I checked on that.)

Looking at CVSWeb, there haven't been any commits to RT2661*/ral(4) in
months, so I'm not sure if upgrading to a snapshot at this
time will be helpful or not.

Is it worth doing a sendbug(1) on this one? Does damien@ read this list? :)

Tom

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Michiel van Baak]

On 11:28, Sat 02 May 09, Tom wrote:
 Just a quick update.
 
 Blew away 4.5-current I had on there (think it was April 27th) and put
 4.5-release on to see if that makes any difference.
 (Previously, my Feb 28th 4.4-current snapshot had been running just
 fine.) Still get the odd lockup, and also get the Soekris
 locking up if I send it a lot of data (bittorrent, large scp, etc..)
 
 My power supply is fine. It's a 36W one with 12V, 3A DC output (model
 GFP361SA-1230-1). It's not one of those dodgy Soekris
 power adapters that were known to spontaneously fail (I checked on that.)
 
 Looking at CVSWeb, there haven't been any commits to RT2661*/ral(4) in
 months, so I'm not sure if upgrading to a snapshot at this
 time will be helpful or not.
 
 Is it worth doing a sendbug(1) on this one? Does damien@ read this list? :)

Maybe a stupid question, or a question already asked (did not read all
the messages in this thread) but have you checked the temperature of the
soekris?
I put the soekris on it's side instead of horizontal, and the temp
dropped from lockup temp to 50C and it's running stable now.
Must be because the holes are only on the sides of the case and not in
the top.

-- 

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mich...@vanbaak.eu
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Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Tom]

Michiel van Baak wrote:
 Maybe a stupid question, or a question already asked (did not read all
 the messages in this thread) but have you checked the temperature of the
 soekris?
 I put the soekris on it's side instead of horizontal, and the temp
 dropped from lockup temp to 50C and it's running stable now.
 Must be because the holes are only on the sides of the case and not in
 the top.

Hi,

  All the sensors seem to look like this:

hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp0=74.00 degC (Remote)
hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp1=127.00 degC (Remote)
hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp2=57.00 degC (Local)

  temp1 is always 127 C (must not be used). temp0 and temp2 never vary
more than +/- 2 C from what is above.

  74 C seems rather high, but I recall seeing on a Soekris mailing list that
this reading is actually normal. Do yours give similar readings?

  Tom

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Michiel van Baak]

On 13:24, Sat 02 May 09, Tom wrote:
 Michiel van Baak wrote:
  Maybe a stupid question, or a question already asked (did not read all
  the messages in this thread) but have you checked the temperature of the
  soekris?
  I put the soekris on it's side instead of horizontal, and the temp
  dropped from lockup temp to 50C and it's running stable now.
  Must be because the holes are only on the sides of the case and not in
  the top.
 
 Hi,
 
   All the sensors seem to look like this:
 
 hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp0=74.00 degC (Remote)
 hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp1=127.00 degC (Remote)
 hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp2=57.00 degC (Local)
 
   temp1 is always 127 C (must not be used). temp0 and temp2 never vary
 more than +/- 2 C from what is above.
 
   74 C seems rather high, but I recall seeing on a Soekris mailing list that
 this reading is actually normal. Do yours give similar readings?

hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp0=71.00 degC (Remote)
hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp1=127.00 degC (Remote)
hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp2=53.00 degC (Local)

temp2 is the CPU.

57 C is not too hot for the soekris, so that shouldn't be the problem.
-- 

Michiel van Baak
mich...@vanbaak.eu
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Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Alexander Hall]

Tom Murphy wrote:
 Alexander Hall wrote:
 
 I'll second this; from a gw of mine:

 $ sudo crontab -l | grep ral0
 # Down and up ral0 on failure
 *   *   *   *   *   ifconfig ral0 | grep -q
 OACTIVE  { ifconfig \
 ral0; echo \n *\n; ifconfig ral0 down; sleep 1; ifconfig ral0
 up; ifconfig \
 ral0; }

 /Alexander
 
 Hi Alexander,
 
   What does the 'OACTIVE' mean? I put that crontab entry in and about 5
 times already
 it came up with OACTIVE in the ifconfig output and it downed the
 interface and brought it back up.
 So far the machine has stayed up and hasn't locked up solid yet. Is
 downing the interface and bringing
 it back up when it's 'OACTIVE' help prevent the box from locking up?

No idea really. I noticed sometimes that the ral0 interface stopped
working and the down+up dance made it work again. Later I noticed that
the OACTIVE flag was set when the card locked up. For me, the box itself
never locked up, but rather the AP just got inaccesible.

I skimmed through the code but to no avail.

/Alexander

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Tom]

I took my RT2860 card (which likes to lock up the Soekris 5501 fairly
quickly), stuck it in an Openbsd 4.5-current (April 27 snap) and it
performed properly and didn't lock up. Mind you, the machine is amd64
and quite well powered. I transferred a lot of files with scp, got
about 1.2 MB/s on a single transfer which isn't that bad considering
there's about 4-5 access points around or in the building.

The caveat on the ral(4) man page:
Some PCI ral adapters seem to strictly require a system supporting PCI
 2.2 or greater and will likely not work in systems based on older revi-
 sions of the PCI specification.  Check the board's PCI version before
 purchasing the card.

 Does the Soekris net5501-70 support PCI 2.2 or greater? (I couldn't
find anything in the specs or docs of it.) That's the only thing I can
think of. I can try a new power supply if that's the cause, but it
seems so difficult to isolate this bug.

  Stuart: any luck with your ral* card in your Alix?

   Regards,
   Tom

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Markus Hennecke]

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Tom wrote:


I took my RT2860 card (which likes to lock up the Soekris 5501 fairly
quickly), stuck it in an Openbsd 4.5-current (April 27 snap) and it
performed properly and didn't lock up. Mind you, the machine is amd64
and quite well powered. I transferred a lot of files with scp, got
about 1.2 MB/s on a single transfer which isn't that bad considering
there's about 4-5 access points around or in the building.

The caveat on the ral(4) man page:
   Some PCI ral adapters seem to strictly require a system supporting PCI
2.2 or greater and will likely not work in systems based on older revi-
sions of the PCI specification.  Check the board's PCI version before
purchasing the card.

Does the Soekris net5501-70 support PCI 2.2 or greater? (I couldn't
find anything in the specs or docs of it.)


Is this a PCI or a Mini PCI card? It should not matter, as Mini PCI is PCI 
2.2. I don't see more than one PCI bus in my soekris dmesg, I would assume 
that the normal PCI connector is PCI 2.2 as well.


Kind regards,
  Markus

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Tom Murphy]

Markus Hennecke wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Tom wrote:


I took my RT2860 card (which likes to lock up the Soekris 5501 fairly
quickly), stuck it in an Openbsd 4.5-current (April 27 snap) and it
performed properly and didn't lock up. Mind you, the machine is amd64
and quite well powered. I transferred a lot of files with scp, got
about 1.2 MB/s on a single transfer which isn't that bad considering
there's about 4-5 access points around or in the building.

The caveat on the ral(4) man page:
   Some PCI ral adapters seem to strictly require a system supporting 
PCI
2.2 or greater and will likely not work in systems based on older 
revi-
sions of the PCI specification.  Check the board's PCI version 
before

purchasing the card.

Does the Soekris net5501-70 support PCI 2.2 or greater? (I couldn't
find anything in the specs or docs of it.)


Is this a PCI or a Mini PCI card? It should not matter, as Mini PCI is 
PCI 2.2. I don't see more than one PCI bus in my soekris dmesg, I 
would assume that the normal PCI connector is PCI 2.2 as well. 

Hi Markus,

   It's a PCI card.

ral0 at pci5 dev 9 function 0 Ralink RT2860 rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18 
(irq 11), address MAC address

ral0: MAC/BBP RT2860 (rev 0x0101), RF RT2820 (MIMO 2T3R)

Regards, 
Tom

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Tom Murphy]

Alexander Hall wrote:


I'll second this; from a gw of mine:

$ sudo crontab -l | grep ral0
# Down and up ral0 on failure
*   *   *   *   *   ifconfig ral0 | grep -q OACTIVE  { 
ifconfig \
ral0; echo \n *\n; ifconfig ral0 down; sleep 1; ifconfig ral0 up; 
ifconfig \
ral0; }

/Alexander


Hi Alexander,

  What does the 'OACTIVE' mean? I put that crontab entry in and about 5 times 
already
it came up with OACTIVE in the ifconfig output and it downed the interface and 
brought it back up.
So far the machine has stayed up and hasn't locked up solid yet. Is downing the 
interface and bringing
it back up when it's 'OACTIVE' help prevent the box from locking up?

 Regards,
 Tom

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Stuart Henderson]

On 2009-04-28, Tom tdmurp...@gmail.com wrote:

   Stuart: any luck with your ral* card in your Alix?

it still works fine with the up-to-date snap it's now running (before
it was running code from a month or two ago, also pretty much stable).

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Stuart Henderson]

On 2009-04-26, Tom tdmurp...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2009-04-26. Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2009-04-25, Tom wrote:
I have a ral(4) acting as a hostap. The problems began since
 ugrading from Feb 28th snapshot to April 10th (and higher). I have a
 Soekris 5501. I bought 2 different ral(4) PCI cards, one is a RT2661
 and the other is a RT2860 (Planex GW-DS3300N). The RT2661 actually
 lasts longer than the RT2860. When I have the RT2860 in the box, it
 doesn't matter whether I use no encryption, WEP, WPA1 or WPA2. The box
 locks up without any kind of drop into ddb. When the RT2661 is in the
 machine, it will stay up a day, maybe two tops before it locks solid.

try a different psu, especially if you have the lower-power of the ones
that soekris sell.

 Hi,

   I got the higher psu of the ones soekris sell. It's 12V, 3A. That
 should be enough
 for the 2.5 laptop disk plus the PCI card I run, right?

usually, yes, but there have been so many reported strange problems
with soekris boxes that went away after switching PSU, it's a good thing
to check early on.

I'll try moving my alix with RT2860 to -current to see if I can
replicate though..

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Chris Jones]

Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2009-04-26, Tom tdmurp...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2009-04-26. Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2009-04-25, Tom wrote:
I have a ral(4) acting as a hostap. The problems began since
 ugrading from Feb 28th snapshot to April 10th (and higher). I have a
 Soekris 5501. I bought 2 different ral(4) PCI cards, one is a RT2661
 and the other is a RT2860 (Planex GW-DS3300N). The RT2661 actually
 lasts longer than the RT2860. When I have the RT2860 in the box, it
 doesn't matter whether I use no encryption, WEP, WPA1 or WPA2. The box
 locks up without any kind of drop into ddb. When the RT2661 is in the
 machine, it will stay up a day, maybe two tops before it locks solid.
 try a different psu, especially if you have the lower-power of the ones
 that soekris sell.
 Hi,

   I got the higher psu of the ones soekris sell. It's 12V, 3A. That
 should be enough
 for the 2.5 laptop disk plus the PCI card I run, right?
 
 usually, yes, but there have been so many reported strange problems
 with soekris boxes that went away after switching PSU, it's a good thing
 to check early on.
 
 I'll try moving my alix with RT2860 to -current to see if I can
 replicate though..
 
I picked up a 12V, 3A PSU for my net4501 and it didn't fix the issue I
am having running my ral(4) card in hostap mode on 4.4-stable.

ral0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 Ralink RT2860 rev 0x00: irq 11, address
00:0e:8e:20:84:94
ral0: MAC/BBP RT2860 (rev 0x0102), RF RT2850 (2T3R)

I'm having a different issue where the clients are connecting
momentarily and then disconnecting.

When I have a moment I'm going to throw this card in a spare desktop I
have to rule out an issue with the hardware or driver under 4.4-stable.
I'll update the list when I test this.

Cheers,
-C

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Stuart Henderson]

try ifconfig ral0 down; ifconfig ral0 up.

that's a different thing and I suspect is a problem either in the driver
or net80211. I have seen this on ral occasionally and have now seen something
similar or the same on an acx which used to be stable; the only change at
all with the acx was moving it to an environment with more other wireless
devices around.

unfortunately the places where I can actually get any diagnostic output
are not places where this problem occurs...


On 2009/04/27 11:46, Chris Jones wrote:
 
 
 Stuart Henderson wrote:
  On 2009-04-26, Tom tdmurp...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 2009-04-26. Stuart Henderson wrote:
  On 2009-04-25, Tom wrote:
 I have a ral(4) acting as a hostap. The problems began since
  ugrading from Feb 28th snapshot to April 10th (and higher). I have a
  Soekris 5501. I bought 2 different ral(4) PCI cards, one is a RT2661
  and the other is a RT2860 (Planex GW-DS3300N). The RT2661 actually
  lasts longer than the RT2860. When I have the RT2860 in the box, it
  doesn't matter whether I use no encryption, WEP, WPA1 or WPA2. The box
  locks up without any kind of drop into ddb. When the RT2661 is in the
  machine, it will stay up a day, maybe two tops before it locks solid.
  try a different psu, especially if you have the lower-power of the ones
  that soekris sell.
  Hi,
 
I got the higher psu of the ones soekris sell. It's 12V, 3A. That
  should be enough
  for the 2.5 laptop disk plus the PCI card I run, right?
  
  usually, yes, but there have been so many reported strange problems
  with soekris boxes that went away after switching PSU, it's a good thing
  to check early on.
  
  I'll try moving my alix with RT2860 to -current to see if I can
  replicate though..
  
 I picked up a 12V, 3A PSU for my net4501 and it didn't fix the issue I
 am having running my ral(4) card in hostap mode on 4.4-stable.
 
 ral0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 Ralink RT2860 rev 0x00: irq 11, address
 00:0e:8e:20:84:94
 ral0: MAC/BBP RT2860 (rev 0x0102), RF RT2850 (2T3R)
 
 I'm having a different issue where the clients are connecting
 momentarily and then disconnecting.
 
 When I have a moment I'm going to throw this card in a spare desktop I
 have to rule out an issue with the hardware or driver under 4.4-stable.
 I'll update the list when I test this.
 
 Cheers,
 -C

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Alexander Hall]

I'll second this; from a gw of mine:

$ sudo crontab -l | grep ral0
# Down and up ral0 on failure
*   *   *   *   *   ifconfig ral0 | grep -q OACTIVE  { 
ifconfig ral0; echo \n *\n; ifconfig ral0 down; sleep 1; ifconfig ral0 
up; ifconfig ral0; }

/Alexander

Stuart Henderson wrote:
 try ifconfig ral0 down; ifconfig ral0 up.
 
 that's a different thing and I suspect is a problem either in the driver
 or net80211. I have seen this on ral occasionally and have now seen something
 similar or the same on an acx which used to be stable; the only change at
 all with the acx was moving it to an environment with more other wireless
 devices around.
 
 unfortunately the places where I can actually get any diagnostic output
 are not places where this problem occurs...
 
 
 On 2009/04/27 11:46, Chris Jones wrote:

 Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2009-04-26, Tom tdmurp...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2009-04-26. Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2009-04-25, Tom wrote:
I have a ral(4) acting as a hostap. The problems began since
 ugrading from Feb 28th snapshot to April 10th (and higher). I have a
 Soekris 5501. I bought 2 different ral(4) PCI cards, one is a RT2661
 and the other is a RT2860 (Planex GW-DS3300N). The RT2661 actually
 lasts longer than the RT2860. When I have the RT2860 in the box, it
 doesn't matter whether I use no encryption, WEP, WPA1 or WPA2. The box
 locks up without any kind of drop into ddb. When the RT2661 is in the
 machine, it will stay up a day, maybe two tops before it locks solid.
 try a different psu, especially if you have the lower-power of the ones
 that soekris sell.
 Hi,

   I got the higher psu of the ones soekris sell. It's 12V, 3A. That
 should be enough
 for the 2.5 laptop disk plus the PCI card I run, right?
 usually, yes, but there have been so many reported strange problems
 with soekris boxes that went away after switching PSU, it's a good thing
 to check early on.

 I'll try moving my alix with RT2860 to -current to see if I can
 replicate though..

 I picked up a 12V, 3A PSU for my net4501 and it didn't fix the issue I
 am having running my ral(4) card in hostap mode on 4.4-stable.

 ral0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 Ralink RT2860 rev 0x00: irq 11, address
 00:0e:8e:20:84:94
 ral0: MAC/BBP RT2860 (rev 0x0102), RF RT2850 (2T3R)

 I'm having a different issue where the clients are connecting
 momentarily and then disconnecting.

 When I have a moment I'm going to throw this card in a spare desktop I
 have to rule out an issue with the hardware or driver under 4.4-stable.
 I'll update the list when I test this.

 Cheers,
 -C

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Markus Hennecke]

FRLinux wrote:

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Jochem Kossen jochem.kos...@gmail.com wrote:

Interesting, I've got exactly the same problem with an rt2860. I
thought it was just bad hardware (suspecting the rt2860), or
temperature issues, and pulled out the card. The machine's been
rock-solid since (d'oh).


For me eworks, snapshot from 28/02/2009, rock stable (ral card running
as AP with WPA-PSK):

ral0 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 Ralink RT2561S rev 0x00: irq 11,
address 00:12:0e:61:4a:70
ral0: MAC/BBP RT2561C, RF RT5225


Here it works too with 4.5, looks like a similar card. Only issue is 
that the card won't work in 11g mode (and never did with the previous 
releases):


ral0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 Ralink RT2561S rev 0x00: irq 15, 
address 00:1d:7d:46:87:1b

ral0: MAC/BBP RT2561C, RF RT2527

Kind regards,
  Markus

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Tom]

2009/4/25 FRLinux frli...@gmail.com:
 On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Jochem Kossen jochem.kos...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Interesting, I've got exactly the same problem with an rt2860. I
 thought it was just bad hardware (suspecting the rt2860), or
 temperature issues, and pulled out the card. The machine's been
 rock-solid since (d'oh).

 For me eworks, snapshot from 28/02/2009, rock stable (ral card running
 as AP with WPA-PSK):

 ral0 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 Ralink RT2561S rev 0x00: irq 11,
 address 00:12:0e:61:4a:70
 ral0: MAC/BBP RT2561C, RF RT5225

 Cheers,
 Steph


Interesting. I wonder though, is the 4.5-release code based on the
February 28, 2009 snapshot? (Or thereabouts?) If so, then 4.5-release
should work reliably for these cards.

I did notice the RT2661 comes up default in 802.11b mode, but setting
'mediaopt mode 11g' in ifconfig/hostname.ral0 works fine. The card
will lock up the machine in a day or so (or if any large amount of
data is transferred through it in a short time = more immediate
lockup).

So it seems something between Feb. 28th and April 10th snapshots broke
ral(4), or at least how ral(4) interacts with the machine.

Hopefully, my pre-ordered 4.5 CD will arrive in tomorrow's mail and I
can replace the April 25th snapshot with it and it will be a lot more
reliable.

Tom

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Stuart Henderson]

On 2009-04-25, Tom tdmurp...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a ral(4) acting as a hostap. The problems began since
 ugrading from Feb 28th snapshot to April 10th (and higher). I have a
 Soekris 5501. I bought 2 different ral(4) PCI cards, one is a RT2661
 and the other is a RT2860 (Planex GW-DS3300N). The RT2661 actually
 lasts longer than the RT2860. When I have the RT2860 in the box, it
 doesn't matter whether I use no encryption, WEP, WPA1 or WPA2. The box
 locks up without any kind of drop into ddb. When the RT2661 is in the
 machine, it will stay up a day, maybe two tops before it locks solid.

try a different psu, especially if you have the lower-power of the ones
that soekris sell.

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Tom]

On 2009-04-26. Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2009-04-25, Tom wrote:
I have a ral(4) acting as a hostap. The problems began since
 ugrading from Feb 28th snapshot to April 10th (and higher). I have a
 Soekris 5501. I bought 2 different ral(4) PCI cards, one is a RT2661
 and the other is a RT2860 (Planex GW-DS3300N). The RT2661 actually
 lasts longer than the RT2860. When I have the RT2860 in the box, it
 doesn't matter whether I use no encryption, WEP, WPA1 or WPA2. The box
 locks up without any kind of drop into ddb. When the RT2661 is in the
 machine, it will stay up a day, maybe two tops before it locks solid.

try a different psu, especially if you have the lower-power of the ones
that soekris sell.

Hi,

  I got the higher psu of the ones soekris sell. It's 12V, 3A. That
should be enough
for the 2.5 laptop disk plus the PCI card I run, right?

  Tom

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Jochem Kossen]

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 12:20:52PM +0100, Tom wrote:
 On 2009-04-26. Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2009-04-25, Tom wrote:
 I have a ral(4) acting as a hostap. The problems began since
  ugrading from Feb 28th snapshot to April 10th (and higher). I have a
  Soekris 5501. I bought 2 different ral(4) PCI cards, one is a RT2661
  and the other is a RT2860 (Planex GW-DS3300N). The RT2661 actually
  lasts longer than the RT2860. When I have the RT2860 in the box, it
  doesn't matter whether I use no encryption, WEP, WPA1 or WPA2. The box
  locks up without any kind of drop into ddb. When the RT2661 is in the
  machine, it will stay up a day, maybe two tops before it locks solid.
 
 try a different psu, especially if you have the lower-power of the ones
 that soekris sell.
 
 Hi,
 
   I got the higher psu of the ones soekris sell. It's 12V, 3A. That
 should be enough
 for the 2.5 laptop disk plus the PCI card I run, right?

I've got the 2.08A version, according to kd85 it should work for 'even
for a loaded 5501 (this means 2 PCI boards + a harddisk).'.

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Jochem Kossen]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Tom wrote:
 Hi,
 
I have a ral(4) acting as a hostap. The problems began since
 ugrading from Feb 28th snapshot to April 10th (and higher). I have a
 Soekris 5501. I bought 2 different ral(4) PCI cards, one is a RT2661
 and the other is a RT2860 (Planex GW-DS3300N). The RT2661 actually
 lasts longer than the RT2860. When I have the RT2860 in the box, it
 doesn't matter whether I use no encryption, WEP, WPA1 or WPA2. The box
 locks up without any kind of drop into ddb. When the RT2661 is in the
 machine, it will stay up a day, maybe two tops before it locks solid.

Interesting, I've got exactly the same problem with an rt2860. I
thought it was just bad hardware (suspecting the rt2860), or
temperature issues, and pulled out the card. The machine's been
rock-solid since (d'oh).

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[FRLinux]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Jochem Kossen jochem.kos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Interesting, I've got exactly the same problem with an rt2860. I
 thought it was just bad hardware (suspecting the rt2860), or
 temperature issues, and pulled out the card. The machine's been
 rock-solid since (d'oh).

For me eworks, snapshot from 28/02/2009, rock stable (ral card running
as AP with WPA-PSK):

ral0 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 Ralink RT2561S rev 0x00: irq 11,
address 00:12:0e:61:4a:70
ral0: MAC/BBP RT2561C, RF RT5225

Cheers,
Steph

Re: soekris 5501, ral(4) and 4.5-current

[Lars Kotthoff]

Same problem here with an RT2860.

Lars

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Janne Johansson]

Frothingdog.ca wrote:

I really didn't realize how much this pushes everyones buttons.  I thought
OBSD was OBSD not matter where you go with it.


I just replaced the kernel with netbsd, the userland with freebsd and 
try to start linux apps under emulation, but this is still OpenBSD so 
you will help me, no?


No, its not OBSD no matter where you go with it.


 I thought these questions
would be fairly easy to deal with on a forum.  But perhaps that's the
problem.  I'm putting myself into a situation where I need to ask for
answers that I shouldn't need to be ask for.  


I stated in my last post why I'm doing what I'm doing, and again it's my
failing.  I'm stubborn, I don't like giving up on something.  I'd still like
to get this working even if I don't end up using the image at least for the
learning experience.

Just because I like bashing my own head in over this sorta stuff doesn't
mean everyone else does.  I apologize.


Its not the crazy doings, its the expectation that others are supposed 
to waste their time figuring out what weirdness you have caused

that is wasteful.

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[J.C. Roberts]

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Frothingdog.ca
marro...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Wow pretty sad when people have nothing better to do then bash on
 someone who is just trying to learn the ropes.  I full install to
 flash is next on the todo list,  I wanted to figure this out because
 this is what was used 3+ years ago by the guy who set it up for us,
 I'm just trying to understand the process he used.
 
 But let the trash continue if it passes the time for you. 

Hiya Frothing,

The public OpenBSD lists are about finding the most correct and most
efficient solution; in other words, best practice.

Just because some guy set things up a particular way does not mean he
did things correctly or efficiently.

Of course you are free to do whatever you like, including blatantly
wild things, but if you want to venture away from best practice, then
you're on your own.

Whenever you venture off into unsupported territory, intentionally or
otherwise, you're always on you own. You've probably seen me rant
against Franken Source systems when people are reporting bugs, but
truth be told, I *regularly* run monstrosities of my own creation. They
are a lot of fun, and I've learned a lot by shooting myself in the foot
countless times. The thing is, I know I'm doing something blatantly
stupid, and I'm doing it for my own enjoyment, so I *never* expect
help on it. Any problems I find are mine alone to solve. If I run out
of time, talent or feet, then that's the end of it.

There is a good answer for what you *need* to do, but you *want* a
different answer, so you are on a solo adventure into unsupported
territory. If you succeed, or fail, write up your experience and publish
it out there on the `net. Someone might find the information useful, but
expecting others to join you on your self-created quest to do things in
a peculiar manner is very unrealistic.

If you are extremely talented or extremely lucky, your peculiar manner
might turn out to be the next best practice, but until then, it's
*your* project.


I've personally got this wild idea floating around of porting OpenBSD
to the new Android v2.0 phone from Google... I may or may not decide to
try it, and I may or may not succeed, but if I do make an attempt, then
I'm totally on my own. Asking for help on *my* whimsical, unsupported
idea will only annoy all the countless folks on this list who already
know it's an unsupported and whimsical idea.

-- 
J.C. Roberts

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Frothingdog.ca]

Yes I understand, hence my last post.




J.C. Roberts-3 wrote:
 
 On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Frothingdog.ca
 marro...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Wow pretty sad when people have nothing better to do then bash on
 someone who is just trying to learn the ropes.  I full install to
 flash is next on the todo list,  I wanted to figure this out because
 this is what was used 3+ years ago by the guy who set it up for us,
 I'm just trying to understand the process he used.
 
 But let the trash continue if it passes the time for you. 
 
 Hiya Frothing,
 
 The public OpenBSD lists are about finding the most correct and most
 efficient solution; in other words, best practice.
 
 Just because some guy set things up a particular way does not mean he
 did things correctly or efficiently.
 
 Of course you are free to do whatever you like, including blatantly
 wild things, but if you want to venture away from best practice, then
 you're on your own.
 
 Whenever you venture off into unsupported territory, intentionally or
 otherwise, you're always on you own. You've probably seen me rant
 against Franken Source systems when people are reporting bugs, but
 truth be told, I *regularly* run monstrosities of my own creation. They
 are a lot of fun, and I've learned a lot by shooting myself in the foot
 countless times. The thing is, I know I'm doing something blatantly
 stupid, and I'm doing it for my own enjoyment, so I *never* expect
 help on it. Any problems I find are mine alone to solve. If I run out
 of time, talent or feet, then that's the end of it.
 
 There is a good answer for what you *need* to do, but you *want* a
 different answer, so you are on a solo adventure into unsupported
 territory. If you succeed, or fail, write up your experience and publish
 it out there on the `net. Someone might find the information useful, but
 expecting others to join you on your self-created quest to do things in
 a peculiar manner is very unrealistic.
 
 If you are extremely talented or extremely lucky, your peculiar manner
 might turn out to be the next best practice, but until then, it's
 *your* project.
 
 
 I've personally got this wild idea floating around of porting OpenBSD
 to the new Android v2.0 phone from Google... I may or may not decide to
 try it, and I may or may not succeed, but if I do make an attempt, then
 I'm totally on my own. Asking for help on *my* whimsical, unsupported
 idea will only annoy all the countless folks on this list who already
 know it's an unsupported and whimsical idea.
 
 -- 
 J.C. Roberts
 
 
 

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Frothingdog.ca]

Ran into another small snag.

Working on installing netstat,  I did the exact same thing I did with MTR
however it still doesn't work.

Gives me a /dev/drum error.  And I can't seem to copy that drum file into
the image.

Any thoughts?
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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Robert]

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
Frothingdog.ca marro...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Ran into another small snag.
 
 Working on installing netstat,  I did the exact same thing I did with
 MTR however it still doesn't work.
 
 Gives me a /dev/drum error.  And I can't seem to copy that drum file
 into the image.
 
 Any thoughts?

Yeah, start over and install OpenBSD - less pain, more joy.

- Robert

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Nick Holland]

Robert wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
 Frothingdog.ca marro...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Ran into another small snag.
 
 Working on installing netstat,  I did the exact same thing I did with
 MTR however it still doesn't work.
 
 Gives me a /dev/drum error.  And I can't seem to copy that drum file
 into the image.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Yeah, start over and install OpenBSD - less pain, more joy.
 
 - Robert

we tried that already, he's still more got feet, bullets, or time
than he knows what to do with.  Not sure which.  Must be nice.

Nick.

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Frothingdog.ca]

Wow pretty sad when people have nothing better to do then bash on someone who
is just trying to learn the ropes.  I full install to flash is next on the
todo list,  I wanted to figure this out because this is what was used 3+
years ago by the guy who set it up for us, I'm just trying to understand the
process he used.

But let the trash continue if it passes the time for you. 





Nick Holland wrote:
 
 Robert wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
 Frothingdog.ca marro...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Ran into another small snag.
 
 Working on installing netstat,  I did the exact same thing I did with
 MTR however it still doesn't work.
 
 Gives me a /dev/drum error.  And I can't seem to copy that drum file
 into the image.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Yeah, start over and install OpenBSD - less pain, more joy.
 
 - Robert
 
 we tried that already, he's still more got feet, bullets, or time
 than he knows what to do with.  Not sure which.  Must be nice.
 
 Nick.
 
 
 

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Frothingdog.ca]

Wow pretty sad when people have nothing better to do then bash on someone who
is just trying to learn the ropes.  I full install to flash is next on the
todo list,  I wanted to figure this out because this is what was used 3+
years ago by the guy who set it up for us, I'm just trying to understand the
process he used.

But let the trash continue if it passes the time for you. 





Nick Holland wrote:
 
 Robert wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
 Frothingdog.ca marro...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Ran into another small snag.
 
 Working on installing netstat,  I did the exact same thing I did with
 MTR however it still doesn't work.
 
 Gives me a /dev/drum error.  And I can't seem to copy that drum file
 into the image.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Yeah, start over and install OpenBSD - less pain, more joy.
 
 - Robert
 
 we tried that already, he's still more got feet, bullets, or time
 than he knows what to do with.  Not sure which.  Must be nice.
 
 Nick.
 
 
 

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[bofh]

Everybody's young once.  15 years ago I impressed the hell out of my
by putting dos/netware3/netware4/linux/windows3.1/win95/nt4/openbsd/solaris
on one box - or some combo of the above (didn't have time for plan9).

Then, I went - wtf?  And spend my time working on kernel options.

Then I went wtf again, and used only openbsd on my main box.  Still
futz around with other OSes from time to time - I really like zfs, for
example.

But, no more screwing around with stuff that doesn't need screwing with.

On 3/26/09, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote:
 Robert wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
 Frothingdog.ca marro...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Ran into another small snag.

 Working on installing netstat,  I did the exact same thing I did with
 MTR however it still doesn't work.

 Gives me a /dev/drum error.  And I can't seem to copy that drum file
 into the image.

 Any thoughts?

 Yeah, start over and install OpenBSD - less pain, more joy.

 - Robert

 we tried that already, he's still more got feet, bullets, or time
 than he knows what to do with.  Not sure which.  Must be nice.

 Nick.




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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Rod Whitworth]

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:53:16 -0700 (PDT), Frothingdog.ca wrote:

Wow pretty sad when people have nothing better to do then bash on someone who
is just trying to learn the ropes.  I full install to flash is next on the
todo list,  I wanted to figure this out because this is what was used 3+
years ago by the guy who set it up for us, I'm just trying to understand the
process he used.

But let the trash continue if it passes the time for you. 

I've stayed out of this until now but that statement is very off.

What you are trying to do is seen by most people as an obsolete
technique for minimal installs and totally whacky for complex ones.

 As an inveterate tinkerer I sometimes do stuff with OpenBSD or pf or
carp or whatever that is, AFAICT, viewed as crazy by most cluey people.
I try to avoid wasting other people's time with questions on those
adventures.

ISTM that you are going far beyond the original flashdist and you are
somewhat lacking in navigational tools. You are not just understanding
the original at all - you are sailing in waters for which you have no
charts.

It's your time and if you have plenty of that you can play all you like
but banging on here about how you can do better at an unnecessarily
complex way to install a system will eventually result in your
questions being ignored by anybody who has in-depth clues and answered
by woobies who don't know that they might have less clues than you.

Robert's answer to you was polite and appropriate. It is the best thing
to do.
Nick's reply to Robert was a statement of fact. He is never rude.

It is well known around here that:

We give you the guns and ammo. Aiming at your feet and pulling the
trigger is your choice.

You break it - you get to keep all the pieces.

Please don't reply to my sender address. It is a spamtrap to ALL
sending IPs except the list servers.

Rod/

A consultant is someone who's called in when someone has painted himself into a 
corner.  He's expected to levitate his client out of that corner.

-The Sayings of Chairman Morrow. 1984.

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Frothingdog.ca]

I really didn't realize how much this pushes everyones buttons.  I thought
OBSD was OBSD not matter where you go with it.  I thought these questions
would be fairly easy to deal with on a forum.  But perhaps that's the
problem.  I'm putting myself into a situation where I need to ask for
answers that I shouldn't need to be ask for.  

I stated in my last post why I'm doing what I'm doing, and again it's my
failing.  I'm stubborn, I don't like giving up on something.  I'd still like
to get this working even if I don't end up using the image at least for the
learning experience.

Just because I like bashing my own head in over this sorta stuff doesn't
mean everyone else does.  I apologize.

I'll work through it on my own.

Sorry again.









BOFH-5 wrote:
 
 Everybody's young once.  15 years ago I impressed the hell out of my
 by putting
 dos/netware3/netware4/linux/windows3.1/win95/nt4/openbsd/solaris
 on one box - or some combo of the above (didn't have time for plan9).
 
 Then, I went - wtf?  And spend my time working on kernel options.
 
 Then I went wtf again, and used only openbsd on my main box.  Still
 futz around with other OSes from time to time - I really like zfs, for
 example.
 
 But, no more screwing around with stuff that doesn't need screwing with.
 
 On 3/26/09, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote:
 Robert wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT)
 Frothingdog.ca marro...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Ran into another small snag.

 Working on installing netstat,  I did the exact same thing I did with
 MTR however it still doesn't work.

 Gives me a /dev/drum error.  And I can't seem to copy that drum file
 into the image.

 Any thoughts?

 Yeah, start over and install OpenBSD - less pain, more joy.

 - Robert

 we tried that already, he's still more got feet, bullets, or time
 than he knows what to do with.  Not sure which.  Must be nice.

 Nick.


 
 
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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Henning Brauer]

* Luis F Urrea lfur...@gmail.com [2009-03-24 16:41]:
 2009/3/24 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
   fortunately denmark has (basically) no coffee, otherwise i would have
   needed a new x40 keyboard. good laugh.
  
   what next, I wear no underwear for security reasons?
 
  Shit, I drink like 4 cups of coffee a day! ...thx god these run without
 keyboards :)

the key is not to have coffee (or anything that is claimed to be
coffee) in mouth when reading these ridiculous statements

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Emilio Perea]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:12:52AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
 the key is not to have coffee (or anything that is claimed to be
 coffee) in mouth when reading these ridiculous statements

Black coffee is not too bad, but Coca Cola Classic makes a really
sticky mess in your laptop.

Tip: if you remove the battery quickly and rinse the keyboard in
distilled water, using a wet rag on other affected parts, and let it dry
24 hours, even an apparently hopeless case can be rescued:

OpenBSD 4.5-current (GENERIC) #1: Mon Mar 23 23:28:11 MDT 2009
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 601 MHz
cpu0: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE
real mem  = 200765440 (191MB)
avail mem = 185712640 (177MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 01/21/02, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfe708, SMBIOS 
rev. 2.3 @ 0xbff (48 entries)
bios0: vendor TOSHIBA version Version 1.40 date 01/21/2002
bios0: TOSHIBA PORTEGE 3480CT
apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
apm0: battery life expectancy 100%
apm0: AC on, battery charge high, estimated 1:28 hours
acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured
...

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Luis F Urrea]

 the key is not to have coffee (or anything that is claimed to be
 coffee) in mouth when reading these ridiculous statements


Not going to argue with that of course, correctness is what matters here not
friendliness. And someone who runs an ISP definitely knows better than a
newbie.

Trying to stick to the topic of the post what I did in a test bed was to
apply the cookie trick on a chroot environment after doing a CVS checkout of
ports. Then you build the software you need to include in your image and get
a detailed list of the files you need to deal with.

The following script when run in the chroot and adapted from Chris script
can be run against the output of the cookie trick to generate a final list.

I am sure the script can be improved as well...


#!/bin/ksh
list=$1
distfile=`pwd`/$1
echo Procesando $distfile
mandir=`mktemp -d /tmp/mandir.`
manpages=`mktemp /tmp/flashdist.`
TA=`mktemp /tmp/flashdist.`
TB=`mktemp /tmp/flashdist.`


while read i; do
 test -z $i  continue
 if [ ! -f $i -a ! -h $i -a ! -d $i ]; then
  echo $i NOT FOUND
  notfound=1
 elif [ -x $i ]; then
  lib=`ldd $i 2/dev/null | egrep 'rlib|rtld' | awk '{ print $7 }' | sort
-u`

   for z in $lib; do
 if [ ! -f $z ]; then
  echo $z NOT FOUND (dependency of $i)
  notfound=1
 else
  echo $z  $TA
 fi
   done
 fi


 if echo $i | egrep ^/usr/local/man /dev/null; then
   xx=`dirname $mandir/$i.gz`


   if [ ! -d $xx ]; then
 mkdir -p $xx
   fi

   gzip -9c /$i  $mandir/$i.gz
   echo $i.gz  $manpages
 fi
done  $distfile


egrep -v ^/usr/local/man $distfile  $TA
sort  $TA | uniq  $TB

cat $TB | sed s/^.//  lista.out

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Frothingdog.ca]

Ok..Here's an update on the progress.

1. I installed MTR on my OBSD machine
2. Located the MTR file on the system located at /usr/local/sbin
3. within that directory I ran: # ldd mtr

Which gave the following output:
StartEnd  Type Open Ref GrpRef Name
1c00 3c1b3000 exe  10   0  mtr
046a5000 246ad000 rlib 01   0  /usr/lib/libm.so.3.0
0d48c000 2d49f000 rlib 01   0  /usr/lib/libtermcap.so.10.0
03d8b000 23dc1000 rlib 01   0  /usr/lib/libc.so.48.0
0388b000 0388b000 rtld 01   0  /usr/libexec/ld.so

I then mounted my flashdist image to /mnt and then ran the following:

# cp /usr/lib/libm.so.3.0 /mnt/usr/lib/ 
# cp /usr/lib/libtermcap.so.10.0 /mnt/usr/lib/  
# cp /usr/lib/libc.so.48.0 /mnt/usr/lib/   
# cp /usr/libexec/ld.so /mnt/usr/libexec/
# cp /usr/local/sbin/mtr /mnt/usr/local/sbin/

I then unmounted the image and flashed it to the CF card...and guess what it
works.

I did the exact same thing for IPERF and UPTIME and all are working fine.

Next inline is getting NET-SNMP working and the HFSC...that should be fun.

Thanks again for all you help.





Luis F Urrea wrote:
 
 the key is not to have coffee (or anything that is claimed to be
 coffee) in mouth when reading these ridiculous statements

 
 Not going to argue with that of course, correctness is what matters here
 not
 friendliness. And someone who runs an ISP definitely knows better than a
 newbie.
 
 Trying to stick to the topic of the post what I did in a test bed was to
 apply the cookie trick on a chroot environment after doing a CVS checkout
 of
 ports. Then you build the software you need to include in your image and
 get
 a detailed list of the files you need to deal with.
 
 The following script when run in the chroot and adapted from Chris script
 can be run against the output of the cookie trick to generate a final
 list.
 
 I am sure the script can be improved as well...
 
 
 #!/bin/ksh
 list=$1
 distfile=`pwd`/$1
 echo Procesando $distfile
 mandir=`mktemp -d /tmp/mandir.`
 manpages=`mktemp /tmp/flashdist.`
 TA=`mktemp /tmp/flashdist.`
 TB=`mktemp /tmp/flashdist.`
 
 
 while read i; do
  test -z $i  continue
  if [ ! -f $i -a ! -h $i -a ! -d $i ]; then
   echo $i NOT FOUND
   notfound=1
  elif [ -x $i ]; then
   lib=`ldd $i 2/dev/null | egrep 'rlib|rtld' | awk '{ print $7 }' | sort
 -u`
 
for z in $lib; do
  if [ ! -f $z ]; then
   echo $z NOT FOUND (dependency of $i)
   notfound=1
  else
   echo $z  $TA
  fi
done
  fi
 
 
  if echo $i | egrep ^/usr/local/man /dev/null; then
xx=`dirname $mandir/$i.gz`
 
 
if [ ! -d $xx ]; then
  mkdir -p $xx
fi
 
gzip -9c /$i  $mandir/$i.gz
echo $i.gz  $manpages
  fi
 done  $distfile
 
 
 egrep -v ^/usr/local/man $distfile  $TA
 sort  $TA | uniq  $TB
 
 cat $TB | sed s/^.//  lista.out
 
 
 

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Henning Brauer]

* Luis F Urrea lfur...@gmail.com [2009-03-23 19:42]:
 not having pkg_add package installed for security reasons

fortunately denmark has (basically) no coffee, otherwise i would have
needed a new x40 keyboard. good laugh.

what next, I wear no underwear for security reasons?

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Kamil Monticolo]

Dnia 2009-03-23, o godz. 12:23:00
Luis F Urrea lfur...@gmail.com napisaE(a):

 Now, if you run ldd on the pkg_add binary you would get:

 ldd: /usr/sbin/pkg_add: not an ELF executable

 and I am not really sure why is that. Experts comments welcome here!

$ ldd `which pkg_add`
ldd: /usr/sbin/pkg_add: not an ELF executable
$ file `which pkg_add`
/usr/sbin/pkg_add: perl script text executable

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Paul de Weerd]

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:53:57AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
| * Luis F Urrea lfur...@gmail.com [2009-03-23 19:42]:
|  not having pkg_add package installed for security reasons
| 
| fortunately denmark has (basically) no coffee, otherwise i would have
| needed a new x40 keyboard. good laugh.
| 
| what next, I wear no underwear for security reasons?

I bet it'll keep the (bad) folks away .. so, sure, why not ;)

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Ivo Chutkin]

Frothingdog.ca wrote:

I've been working on a OpenBSD image for a soekris boxes.  I've actually made
some headway with some help and pointers from Chris (maker of flashdist).

I have the image mounted to /mnt/etc using vnconfig so I can modify the
files before flashing the image (ie. boot.conf, rc, dhcpd.conf...etc).  But
I'd like to install a coupe packages into the image, such as MTR and TTCP. 
However I'm not quite sure how to do it or even where to start.  I'm a newb

to this.

Any help would be great

Thanks


I think this are good points to start:

http://techblagh.blogspot.com/2008/08/installing-openbsd-43-on-soekris-5501.html

http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/embedded/

I also started with flashdist and embedded but finally got convinced 
that  normal install is much easier for me (also newby).


Regards,

Ivo

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[ropers]

 * Luis F Urrea lfur...@gmail.com [2009-03-23 19:42]:
 not having pkg_add package installed for security reasons

2009/3/24 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
 fortunately denmark has (basically) no coffee, otherwise i would have
 needed a new x40 keyboard. good laugh.

 what next, I wear no underwear for security reasons?

Speeds up strip searches, doesn't it?! God bless the War on Terror.
Aahhhmaeeerikkka Z BJTEEFULLL...

OTOH, the true *TRUE* believers (in Jesus Christ and Joseph Smith) of
course *DO* wear underwear for security reasons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_underwear

regards,
--ropers

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Luis F Urrea]

2009/3/24 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
  fortunately denmark has (basically) no coffee, otherwise i would have
  needed a new x40 keyboard. good laugh.
 
  what next, I wear no underwear for security reasons?

 Shit, I drink like 4 cups of coffee a day! ...thx god these run without
keyboards :)

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Luis F Urrea]

There may be use cases for using flashdist, such as not having pkg_add
package installed for security reasons and tailoring highly customized
images ready to be flashed for FWs, NAS, VoIP GWs and so on. So, in that
sense I am sure that the size of the flash is not the only motivation now a
days.

By default if I am not mistaken, flashdist does not include the pkg_add
binary and therefore for the chroot suggestion you would at least need to
get the pkg_add binary into the flash image.

The technique used in the flashdist script for getting things installed uses
`ldd` on a binary to find it's library dependencies and have them copied to
the image. This is more likely to work at least for dinamically linked
binaries which are fairly straightforward and in which you often do not need
anymore files than the binary and shared libraries.

You could use ldd as follows for wget as example:

 ldd /usr/local/bin/wget 2/dev/null | egrep 'rlib|rtld' | awk '{print $7}'
\
|sort -u | xargs tar -cvf - | tar -C /mnt/flashdist-image -xpf -

Where flashdist-image is the directory in which you have mounted the
flashdist image


Now, if you run ldd on the pkg_add binary you would get:

ldd: /usr/sbin/pkg_add: not an ELF executable

and I am not really sure why is that. Experts comments welcome here!


Another option may be to use the -B option from pkg_add to define the
chrooted environment as the destination dir, but I can't confirm that it
would work as expected.

For packages in which the structure of required files is more complex,
daemons such as samba an the like, using ldd may not suffice and such
programs may fail to execute mysteriously. In  such cases, the ktrace(1) and
kdump(1) may come in handy.

ktrace followed by the filename will produce an output file named ktrace.out
in the directory in which you run it. Then you need to use kdump command to
inspect the previously generated ktrace.out, look for files that the program
is attempting to open, particularly for the NAMI (name-to-inode) translation
in order to get a clue of what files may be missing.

A third option involves creating a chroot sandbox environment and use two
cookies to track file changes in the filesystem as described here:

http://labs.calyptix.com/openbsd-binary-patches-chroot.php

Readers familiar with OpenBSD ports will notice that this cookie technique
is borrowed from the make system in the OpenBSD ports tree.

Hope this helps

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Frothingdog.ca]

Luis F Urrea wrote:
 
 By default if I am not mistaken, flashdist does not include the pkg_add
 binary and therefore for the chroot suggestion you would at least need to
 get the pkg_add binary into the flash image.
 
You are correcet


Luis F Urrea wrote:
 
 The technique used in the flashdist script for getting things installed
 uses
 `ldd` on a binary to find it's library dependencies and have them copied
 to
 the image. This is more likely to work at least for dinamically linked
 binaries which are fairly straightforward and in which you often do not
 need
 anymore files than the binary and shared libraries.
 
 You could use ldd as follows for wget as example:
 
  ldd /usr/local/bin/wget 2/dev/null | egrep 'rlib|rtld' | awk '{print
 $7}'
 \
 |sort -u | xargs tar -cvf - | tar -C /mnt/flashdist-image -xpf -
 
 Where flashdist-image is the directory in which you have mounted the
 flashdist image
 
 
 Now, if you run ldd on the pkg_add binary you would get:
 
 ldd: /usr/sbin/pkg_add: not an ELF executable
 
 and I am not really sure why is that. Experts comments welcome here!
 
First attampt didn't work, but I'll work with it some more.


Luis F Urrea wrote:
 
 Another option may be to use the -B option from pkg_add to define the
 chrooted environment as the destination dir, but I can't confirm that it
 would work as expected.
 
Tryed the -B option but I couldn't get that to work either



Luis F Urrea wrote:
 
 For packages in which the structure of required files is more complex,
 daemons such as samba an the like, using ldd may not suffice and such
 programs may fail to execute mysteriously. In  such cases, the ktrace(1)
 and
 kdump(1) may come in handy.
 
 ktrace followed by the filename will produce an output file named
 ktrace.out
 in the directory in which you run it. Then you need to use kdump command
 to
 inspect the previously generated ktrace.out, look for files that the
 program
 is attempting to open, particularly for the NAMI (name-to-inode)
 translation
 in order to get a clue of what files may be missing.
 
 A third option involves creating a chroot sandbox environment and use two
 cookies to track file changes in the filesystem as described here:
 
 http://labs.calyptix.com/openbsd-binary-patches-chroot.php
 
 Readers familiar with OpenBSD ports will notice that this cookie technique
 is borrowed from the make system in the OpenBSD ports tree.
 
 Hope this helps
 
I'll read up on this.


Thanks Luis, the help is very appreciated.

Cheers
Brad

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Floor Terra]

 Now, if you run ldd on the pkg_add binary you would get:

 ldd: /usr/sbin/pkg_add: not an ELF executable

 and I am not really sure why is that. Experts comments welcome here!

That's because /usr/sbin/pkg_add is not an ELF executable.

$ file /usr/sbin/pkg_add
/usr/sbin/pkg_add: perl script text executable

You need to install Perl to be able to use the pkg_add script.

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Frothingdog.ca]

That's a good idea.  Didn't think about doing that. However it still puts me
in the same position as I'm in now. 

I don't believe that a full install of OBSD comes with all the packages.  So
I'd still have to figure out how to intall the packages I require.

I like the flashdist images because it's very small and easy to configure.
All I need to add to it is MTR, ttcp (or Iperf), UPTIME script and possibly
LYNX but that's not critical.

I'm just lost on the command structure.  I've never isntalled packages
before or installed them to an image file.


Nick Holland wrote:
 
 How about just getting a 1G CF card, and doing a normal install?
 What do you gain by inflicting this pain upon yourself?
 
 http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#flashmemBoot
 
 Nick.
 

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Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Nick Holland]

Frothingdog.ca wrote:
 That's a good idea.  Didn't think about doing that. However it still puts me
 in the same position as I'm in now. 

???

 I don't believe that a full install of OBSD comes with all the packages.  So
 I'd still have to figure out how to intall the packages I require.

If you don't know how to install packages on a NORMAL OpenBSD install,
why are you even looking at a specialty machine like a Soekris?
or a mutant variation like flashdist?

 I like the flashdist images because it's very small and easy to configure.

Small, sure.  today, though, 1G is small, and what's the point of
trying to be smaller than a standard install anymore?

I think you are dead wrong on the easy to configure part.
Your asking here seems to indicate you agree...

 All I need to add to it is MTR, ttcp (or Iperf), UPTIME script and possibly
 LYNX but that's not critical.
 
 I'm just lost on the command structure.  I've never isntalled packages
 before or installed them to an image file.

Then I would suggest getting a normal computer, learning how to work
with OpenBSD as intended, then load up your Soekris with OpenBSD
and STILL use it as intended...and forget the flashdist and other
mutant variants that once had a point but seem to be solutions in
search of problems in these days when a 1G flash media is as small
as one can get.

Flash media is slow on writes, so when you screw things up and
have to reinstall, it's a lot more frustrating on flash media,
so learn what you are doing on a real computer.


 
 Nick Holland wrote:
 
 How about just getting a 1G CF card, and doing a normal install?
 What do you gain by inflicting this pain upon yourself?
 
 http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#flashmemBoot
 
 Nick.

Re: SOEKRIS - How to install MTR to a Flashdist image

[Matthias Kilian]

On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 07:42:31AM -0700, Frothingdog.ca wrote:
 I have the image mounted to /mnt/etc using vnconfig so I can modify the
 files before flashing the image (ie. boot.conf, rc, dhcpd.conf...etc).  But
 I'd like to install a coupe packages into the image, such as MTR and TTCP. 
 However I'm not quite sure how to do it or even where to start.  I'm a newb
 to this.

chroot(8) into the directory, then pkg_add(8) the packages via ftp,
http, or from an nfs mount.

Ciao,
Kili

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