[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
On Jun 17, 4:53 pm, Greg Donald gdon...@gmail.com wrote: Linux makes great application and database servers. You can't beat Debian for a server, and Ubuntu for a desktop. I try to steer clear of the RPM-based distros as much as possible. Right on! We use Ubuntu LTS for our servers b/c we can pick up commercial support with many vendors: VMware, Zimbra, etc. It's the only non-rpm based *nix that can do so. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
Just thought I would thank everyone for answering this and for keeping it professional and exactly in line with my question. This is one of the main reasons that I have remained an nlug member as I have traveled the world. Keep it up! Andy Farnsworth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: Just thought I would thank everyone for answering this and for keeping it professional Sorry about chiming in late here, but I just wanted to say that people only choose BSD or Linux because they're stupid. HAW HAW HAW --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
Ken Barber wrote: people only choose BSD _or_ Linux because they're stupid. [emphasis added] I.e., Smart people use both BSD _and_ Linux. :-) JMJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] New Opportunity
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[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Sky Dogskydog...@gmail.com wrote: Here's my unsolicited .02. I have FreeBSD running a 25.5 terabyte array at Vandy. Actually, I have two identical systems, that rsync each other every 4 hours. Within 3 feet of that, is a box running Ubuntu, which then has virtual machines on it, running FreeBSD. Once of those is running Nagios, which watches all of the servers I watch. In my office, there are several laptops running Backtrack 4, which was based on Debian originally, and should now be based on Ubuntu. There's a MacBook Pro with OS/X which is based on FreeBSD. There are also four other machines in my office running WIndows XP, and one running WIndows 7. The moral to the story? There isn't one. A good craftsman uses the tools available to him, in the manner best served by their strengths/weaknesses. I have many machines setup for different things. Sure, ubuntu runs apache just fine... But I prefer FreeBSD for a webserver. I like ubuntu as a workstation, as opposed to FreeBSD. (I've used freebsd as a workstation) It depends on what you want to accomplish, and how you want to get there. Everyone has an opinion, and sometimes that can get in the way of you getting to your final destination. Make your own decisions, and give it a shot. It may not always work... Thanks guys, for not dogging FreeBSD. It's always been there for me, but it's not the only tool I have. :) -Sky exactly, you can swat flies with a shotgun, but a flyswatter is better you can spread spackling with a flyswatter, but a spackle knife is better it is possible to be PRO-A without being ANTI-B -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Samuel Goldwyn - You've got to take the bitter with the sour. - http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/23534.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: [nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
*you can swat flies with a shotgun, but a flyswatter is better you can spread spackling with a flyswatter, but a spackle knife is better* you can kill zombies with a spackle knife, but a shotgun is better. -- Forwarded message -- From: ./aal aalh...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM Subject: [nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Sky Dogskydog...@gmail.com wrote: Here's my unsolicited .02. I have FreeBSD running a 25.5 terabyte array at Vandy. Actually, I have two identical systems, that rsync each other every 4 hours. Within 3 feet of that, is a box running Ubuntu, which then has virtual machines on it, running FreeBSD. Once of those is running Nagios, which watches all of the servers I watch. In my office, there are several laptops running Backtrack 4, which was based on Debian originally, and should now be based on Ubuntu. There's a MacBook Pro with OS/X which is based on FreeBSD. There are also four other machines in my office running WIndows XP, and one running WIndows 7. The moral to the story? There isn't one. A good craftsman uses the tools available to him, in the manner best served by their strengths/weaknesses. I have many machines setup for different things. Sure, ubuntu runs apache just fine... But I prefer FreeBSD for a webserver. I like ubuntu as a workstation, as opposed to FreeBSD. (I've used freebsd as a workstation) It depends on what you want to accomplish, and how you want to get there. Everyone has an opinion, and sometimes that can get in the way of you getting to your final destination. Make your own decisions, and give it a shot. It may not always work... Thanks guys, for not dogging FreeBSD. It's always been there for me, but it's not the only tool I have. :) -Sky exactly, you can swat flies with a shotgun, but a flyswatter is better you can spread spackling with a flyswatter, but a spackle knife is better it is possible to be PRO-A without being ANTI-B -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Samuel Goldwyn - You've got to take the bitter with the sour. - http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/23534.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
LOL! Actually, I really like Windows 7, too. It's no Linux, of course (pardon me, while I put on my flame-proof jacket...) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner cfaulkne...@gmail.comwrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
Oh, we will... ;) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulknercfaulkne...@gmail.com wrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
lol On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Chris McQuistioncmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: LOL! Actually, I really like Windows 7, too. It's no Linux, of course (pardon me, while I put on my flame-proof jacket...) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner cfaulkne...@gmail.com wrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux (Windows7 Install-fest!)
I think we should have a Windows 7 install-fest. We could install it on some machines and then take hammers to them until the HDDs stop spinning. (I hope my love for Windows was easily conveyed) On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner wrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux (Windows7 Install-fest!)
hahahah I am not gonna destroy a hard drive that has the potential for having another operating system on it... :) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:15 PM, David Cintronloudestno...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should have a Windows 7 install-fest. We could install it on some machines and then take hammers to them until the HDDs stop spinning. (I hope my love for Windows was easily conveyed) On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner wrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner cfaulkne...@gmail.comwrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol sniff sniff.is that smoke? -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Benjamin Franklin http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27739.html - Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux (Windows7 Install-fest!)
By George I think he's got it ! :) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:58 PM, ./aalaalh...@gmail.com wrote: how about having an install fest, but call it THE GREAT TENNESSEE WINDOWS UN-INSTALL FEST -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux (Windows7 Install-fest!)
I see a conjunction of Wndows7 and Dante's 7 levels of hell hmm maybe a Shakespearean adaptation (or porting LOL) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM, David R. Wilson da...@wwns.com wrote: Anybody have a camera? youtube could probably use a Windows promotion right about now. Dave On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 12:58 -0500, ./aal wrote: how about having an install fest, but call it THE GREAT TENNESSEE WINDOWS UN-INSTALL FEST On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:15 PM, David Cintron loudestno...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should have a Windows 7 install-fest. We could install it on some machines and then take hammers to them until the HDDs stop spinning. (I hope my love for Windows was easily conveyed) On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner wrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Laurence J. Peter - Psychiatry enables us to correct our faults by confessing our parents' shortcomings. -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Fran Lebowitz http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27602.html - I've done the calculation and your chances of winning the lottery are identical whether you ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux (Windows7 Install-fest!)
oh and the 7 cardinal sins.. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:11 PM, ./aal aalh...@gmail.com wrote: I see a conjunction of Wndows7 and Dante's 7 levels of hell hmm maybe a Shakespearean adaptation (or porting LOL) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM, David R. Wilson da...@wwns.com wrote: Anybody have a camera? youtube could probably use a Windows promotion right about now. Dave On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 12:58 -0500, ./aal wrote: how about having an install fest, but call it THE GREAT TENNESSEE WINDOWS UN-INSTALL FEST On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:15 PM, David Cintron loudestno...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should have a Windows 7 install-fest. We could install it on some machines and then take hammers to them until the HDDs stop spinning. (I hope my love for Windows was easily conveyed) On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner wrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Laurence J. Peter - Psychiatry enables us to correct our faults by confessing our parents' shortcomings. -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Fran Lebowitz http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27602.html - I've done the calculation and your chances of winning the lottery are identical whether you ... -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Laurence J. Peter http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/435.html - Psychiatry enables us to correct our faults by confessing our parents' shortcomings. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Sky Dog wrote: In my office, there are several laptops running Backtrack 4, which was based on Debian originally, and should now be based on Ubuntu. There's a MacBook Pro with OS/X which is based on FreeBSD. There are also four other machines in my office running WIndows XP, and one running WIndows 7. The moral to the story? The moral to the story: Always buy more air conditioning than you think you'll need. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Ken Barber mountain...@peak.org wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Sky Dog wrote: The moral to the story? The moral to the story: Always buy more air conditioning than you think you'll need. Oooh, them is fightin' words!!! Running an overrated airconditioner is much more expensive energywise, than running a correctly sized one. If you have an AC unit that is rated for twice the cooling capacity you need, it will startup, run for a short time, and shutdown. A short time later the cycle will repeat. A correctly sized AC unit will startup, run a very long time and then shutdown. What is counter intuitive is that stopping and starting the oversized unit actually uses much more energy than running a correctly sized and modern AC unit all day long does. On a single unit, this isn't really a big deal, but on a multi unit system that is not balanced correctly it can turn into a sizable chunk of cash over the course of a year. Andy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Ken Barber mountain...@peak.org wrote: The moral to the story: Always buy more air conditioning than you think you'll need. Not so! Always size your air conditioner appropriately for the room. Thou shalt not short cycle an A/C unit lest ye desire frequent and spontaneous failure. -- Brandon D. Valentine http://www.brandonvalentine.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
ANY air conditioning is better than your servers sitting in front of a South-facing window in the middle of Summer. Or during a hail storm. My office has a high pucker-factor. Jim Peterson Technology Coordinator Goodnight Memorial Library 203 S. Main St. Franklin, KY 42134 (270) 586-8397 www.gmpl.org Library Technology Blog On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 14:08 -0500, Brandon Valentine wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Ken Barber mountain...@peak.org wrote: The moral to the story: Always buy more air conditioning than you think you'll need. Not so! Always size your air conditioner appropriately for the room. Thou shalt not short cycle an A/C unit lest ye desire frequent and spontaneous failure. -- Brandon D. Valentine http://www.brandonvalentine.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux (Windows7 Install-fest!)
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:12 PM, ./aal wrote: oh and the 7 cardinal sins.. Let's see... lust-- as in lust for power which is what Windows users have because they don't have that much; gluttony-- as in the way Windows eats memory; greed -- as in the dictionary definition of Micro$oft; sloth -- as in lazy programmers writing a gaming platform and passing it off as an OS; wrath -- five words: Steve Ballmer throwing a chair envy-- what Windows people have of 'nix pride -- as in a pride of lions, except they're actually Micro$oft lawyers. Still fierce, destructive carnivorous beasts though. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: Oooh, them is fightin' words!!! Don't bother. I'm a former HVAC tech. Running an overrated airconditioner is much more expensive energywise, than running a correctly sized one. If you have an AC unit I never said anything about running an air conditioner (i.e., only one system). I said buy more air conditionING than you think you'll need. That may or may not translate to one unit. And, Brandon Valentine, you don't size your A/C according to the room (well, they do for residential but we were talking about a commercial building), you size it according to the load. There are lots of ways to engineer capacity control in HVAC. None of them involve putting in the bare minimum of capacity that you think you'll ever need. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Great presentation about 64 Studio!
I thoroughly enjoyed the presentation and was excited about trying a couple of distros that I wasn't aware of before. Now that I've tried to install 64Studio, Ubuntu Studio, and Musix I'm just about pissed off. Could not check the integrity of the disk with any the 64Studio versions, something about not a valid debian distro. 64Studio 2.1 - would not install. Kept failing at the installation of tetex-bin. 64Studio 3.0 beta - would not install Kept failing similarly to v2.1, but I forget the package name. 64Studio Live - too slow to be usable. The biggest issue that kept me from actually trying it was that the mouse speed was too slow to be usable even at the fastest setting. Probably something simple, but by this point, I was too irritated to figure it out. Also, couldn't install from the Live CD. Ubuntu Studio - I was able to check the media but I still got failed to determine the codename for the release which prevented the installation of the base system. Musix - installed, but couldn't get the screen resolution higher than 800x600, it didn't recognize the correct screen size. [sigh] I'm more than willing to admit that the issues could be due to my ignorance and/or incompetence, but surely ALL these issues can't be me... or can they? I'm going to try to install 64Studio from a USB drive next, but it might be a few days. Or maybe I'll just stick with Mandriva and install all the relevant audio packages. Has anyone else had similar issues with any of these distro's?? Thanks! JMJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Great presentation about 64 Studio!
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:56 PM, JMJ roadr...@gmail.com wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed the presentation and was excited about trying a couple of distros that I wasn't aware of before. Now that I've tried to install 64Studio, Ubuntu Studio, and Musix I'm just about pissed off. Bring whichever distro you want installedworking the most to the upcoming InstallFest, and I would be willing to personally help you get it installed. On the offchance that we can't get it up off the ground, I will also be performing ArchLinux installations (with which I have a fair deal of experience). Arch has prebuilt, i686 and amd64 optimized packages for pretty much everything 64studio includes.. and for those things that aren't already precompiled, they are available as buildscripts in the Arch User Repository :) Regards, Bucky 'Igneous' Wolfe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
air conditioning wars are err .heating up? well we aren't flaming about OS's ;^) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Ken Barber ken.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: Oooh, them is fightin' words!!! Don't bother. I'm a former HVAC tech. Running an overrated airconditioner is much more expensive energywise, than running a correctly sized one. If you have an AC unit I never said anything about running an air conditioner (i.e., only one system). I said buy more air conditionING than you think you'll need. That may or may not translate to one unit. And, Brandon Valentine, you don't size your A/C according to the room (well, they do for residential but we were talking about a commercial building), you size it according to the load. There are lots of ways to engineer capacity control in HVAC. None of them involve putting in the bare minimum of capacity that you think you'll ever need. -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Fran Lebowitz http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/27602.html - I've done the calculation and your chances of winning the lottery are identical whether you ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Great presentation about 64 Studio!
Bucky 'Igneous' Wolfe wrote: Bring whichever distro you want installedworking the most to the upcoming InstallFest I don't remember the date, which tells me that I'm going to be out of town. Oh well... I miss all the good stuff. For some reason, Ubuntu Studio has made it past the previous point of failure, so I'm leaning towards old, abused, gimpy hardware being my primary issue at this point. Thanks for the offer though!!! JMJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Great presentation about 64 Studio!
JMJ wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed the presentation and was excited about trying a couple of distros that I wasn't aware of before. Now that I've tried to install 64Studio, Ubuntu Studio, and Musix I'm just about pissed off. After so many different things break, I start asking if the underlying hardware is the issue. Is the target computer a known good computer that heretofore was running whatever distro with few problems? snip [sigh] I'm more than willing to admit that the issues could be due to my ignorance and/or incompetence, but surely ALL these issues can't be me... or can they? I'm going to try to install 64Studio from a USB drive next, but it might be a few days. Or maybe I'll just stick with Mandriva and install all the relevant audio packages. Has anyone else had similar issues with any of these distro's?? Thanks! JMJ It would be neat if you had the chance to bring your kit to the Installfest but I know that life happens... We will be there for just such an challenge (and I know Joey knows that). Howard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
I worked in one place where they decided to turn the 'old data center' into offices. All when well until they figured out there was no heat in that building. Only Air Conditioning. Even the 'heat' in the office area of the old data center was just 'reduced air conditioning' area of the building. They had already built the new data center, and after we moved in found that it was on top of the only fault that went through El Paso, TX. ... ... Life goes on! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
... Jack On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM, ./aal aalh...@gmail.com wrote: air conditioning wars are err .heating up? well we aren't flaming about OS's ;^) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Ken Barber ken.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: Oooh, them is fightin' words!!! Don't bother. I'm a former HVAC tech. Running an overrated airconditioner is much more expensive energywise, than running a correctly sized one. If you have an AC unit I never said anything about running an air conditioner (i.e., only one system). I said buy more air conditionING than you think you'll need. That may or may not translate to one unit. And, Brandon Valentine, you don't size your A/C according to the room (well, they do for residential but we were talking about a commercial building), you size it according to the load. There are lots of ways to engineer capacity control in HVAC. None of them involve putting in the bare minimum of capacity that you think you'll ever need. In one house, it helped to put in two systems when the house had one initially. The 'downstairs' was sized smaller than 'upstairs'. And turning off the upstairs (timer) really did keep the bills down, even while the 'downstairs' kept things even down there. The best thing to help my AC bills wherever I have been (and heat too) is more insulation. Yea, there are guidelines, but 'standard' is typically not enough. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: Great presentation about 64 Studio!
Howard White wrote: I start asking if the underlying hardware is the issue. Now that I've vented my frustrations, I'm think that it's some sort of intermittent hardware issue, probably involving the CD drive. The thing that puzzled me was that both 64studio versions consistently failed at the same point, though it was a different package for each version. That's what made me think it was a software issue. Did you get 64studio installed via a DVD? Is the target computer a known good computer that heretofore was running whatever distro with few problems? I've had Kubuntu running on this laptop, and I'm using another hard drive to mess around with these installs. It's a few years old and probably has seen its share of abuse, but generally functions OK. It would be neat if you had the chance to bring your kit to the Installfest Yeah, I'd definitely bring this to an installfest, but I'll probably be out of town. Hey, look, it's the Ubuntu Studio log-in screen. LOL I guess I'll give that a shot. Geez, now I have to get used to Gnome. JMJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: LOL! Actually, I really like Windows 7, too. It's no Linux, of course (pardon me, while I put on my flame-proof jacket...) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner cfaulkne...@gmail.com wrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol I've been asked a few times what I think about Win7. I must say, I don't /hate/ it, which is a big step up from Vista. I won't be installing it on any hardware until I have to Back on topic, kind of.. I've seen this quote floating around: Linux is for people who hate MicroSoft. BSD is for people who love Unix ... What happens if you're in both categories? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[nlug] Re: BSD vs Linux
Then you use Solaris ! :) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Don Delpnesma...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: LOL! Actually, I really like Windows 7, too. It's no Linux, of course (pardon me, while I put on my flame-proof jacket...) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Chris Faulkner cfaulkne...@gmail.com wrote: Flame me if you like but I really like Windows 7 so far...lol I've been asked a few times what I think about Win7. I must say, I don't /hate/ it, which is a big step up from Vista. I won't be installing it on any hardware until I have to Back on topic, kind of.. I've seen this quote floating around: Linux is for people who hate MicroSoft. BSD is for people who love Unix ... -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
