[NTG-context] Blank at beginning of page

2010-01-19 Thread Philipp Gesang
Hi,


being new to ConTeXt I'd have loads of questions but I'd like to start
with what puzzles me most: any \blank[] command that happens to be at
the beginning of a page seems to be ignored.  For instance in a document
as follows

\showframe
\starttext
\blank[5*big]
Some text.
\stoptext

the string Some text. will be placed on the very top of the text
field, regardless of what \blank[]s precede it.  I read a good deal of
the documentation but couldn't make out the cause nor a workaround.
Right now I even consider to put headings inside a float or something
like that in order to make their [before=\blank[someblank]] option
effective.

Thanks in advance for any advice


Philipp
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Re: [NTG-context] Blank at beginning of page

2010-01-19 Thread Boštjan Vesnicer

On 18.1.2010 13:40, Philipp Gesang wrote:

\showframe
\starttext
\blank[5*big]
Some text.
\stoptext
   


\dontleavehmode
\blank[5*big]

See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/A_Very_Simple_Cover_Page for explanation.

Bostjan


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Re: [NTG-context] negative kerning

2010-01-19 Thread Horacio Suarez

Thankyou very much for your answers.
Wolfgang, I have the following error when I run that code:
(c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.texerror: 
...tminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/base/typo-krn.lua:121: attempt to index 
local 'before' (a nil value)
I´m using XP
ConTeXt  ver: 2010.01.18 22:43 MKIV  fmt: 2010.1.19  int: english/english
what is wrong?
thankyou for your help.

Horacio Suarez




 From: thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de
 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:39:07 +0100
 To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
 Subject: Re: [NTG-context] negative kerning
 
 
 On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 
  MkIV only:
  
  \definecharacterkerning[packed]
  
  \setupcharacterkerning[packed][factor=-.125]
  
  \starttext
  
  \input knuth
  
  \start
  
  \setcharacterkerning[packed]
  
  \input knuth
  
  \stop
  
  \stoptext
  
  Wolfgang
 
 Wow!! That is one of the best things I have read in a while - it means we can 
 have proper gesperrten Text with proper hyphenation! Really excellent, 
 thanks a lot for pointing this out, Wolfgang!
 
 Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Blank at beginning of page

2010-01-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 18.01.10 13:40, schrieb Philipp Gesang:

Hi,

being new to ConTeXt I'd have loads of questions but I'd like to start
with what puzzles me most: any \blank[] command that happens to be at
the beginning of a page seems to be ignored.  For instance in a document
as follows

\showframe
\starttext
\blank[5*big]
Some text.
\stoptext

the string Some text. will be placed on the very top of the text
field, regardless of what \blank[]s precede it.  I read a good deal of
the documentation but couldn't make out the cause nor a workaround.

\blank[force,5*big]

Right now I even consider to put headings inside a float or something
like that in order to make their [before=\blank[someblank]] option
effective.

You need braces around the \blank command or you will get a error message.

[before={\blank[force,5*big]}]

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] negative kerning

2010-01-19 Thread Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky

Hi,

I tried the following snipped out of curiosity and it gives me the error 
(even with the latest beta)


systems : begin file 1.tex at line 5

(c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.tex) 
(c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.texerror: 
...tminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/base/typo-krn.lua:121: attempt to 
index local 'before' (a nil value)


.

l.11

?



\definecharacterkerning[packed]

\setupcharacterkerning[packed][factor=-.125]

\starttext

\input knuth

\start

\setcharacterkerning[packed]

\input knuth

\stop

\stoptext



What have I missed?

Regards,
Vyatcheslav

\definecharacterkerning[packed]
 
\setupcharacterkerning[packed][factor=-.125]
 
\starttext
 
\input knuth
 
\start
 
\setcharacterkerning[packed]
 
\input knuth
 
\stop
 
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] negative kerning

2010-01-19 Thread Hans Hagen

On 19-1-2010 17:29, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:

Hi,

I tried the following snipped out of curiosity and it gives me the error
(even with the latest beta)

systems : begin file 1.tex at line 5

(c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.tex)
(c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.texerror:
tminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/base/typo-krn.lua:121: attempt to
index local 'before' (a nil value)

..

l.11

?


just a bug

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[NTG-context] Font database does not report all fonts

2010-01-19 Thread Nicolas Girard
Hi all, and happy new year !

I've just (properly) installed a fresh ConTeXt Minimals on Linux and
built the font database.
Although my /usr/local/share/fonts/d directory contains
  Delicious-BoldItalic.otf
  Delicious-Bold.otf
  Delicious-Heavy.otf
  Delicious-Italic.otf
  Delicious-Roman.otf
  Delicious-SmallCaps.otf
the command
  mtxrun --script font --list elicious
only reports
  delicioussmallcaps   delicioussmallcaps
/usr/local/share/fonts/d/Delicious-SmallCaps.otf

The problem also arises with other (possibly all) font names.
Any thoughts ?
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Re: [NTG-context] Font database does not report all fonts

2010-01-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 19.01.10 18:35, schrieb Nicolas Girard:

Hi all, and happy new year !

I've just (properly) installed a fresh ConTeXt Minimals on Linux and
built the font database.
Although my /usr/local/share/fonts/d directory contains
   Delicious-BoldItalic.otf
   Delicious-Bold.otf
   Delicious-Heavy.otf
   Delicious-Italic.otf
   Delicious-Roman.otf
   Delicious-SmallCaps.otf
the command
   mtxrun --script font --list elicious
only reports
   delicioussmallcaps   delicioussmallcaps
/usr/local/share/fonts/d/Delicious-SmallCaps.otf

The problem also arises with other (possibly all) font names.
Any thoughts ?

mtxrun --script font --list --all --pattern=delicious*

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] location of /user/files?

2010-01-19 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 00:54, paul morgan queri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank you again Aditya and Khaled for getting ConTeXt working here. One more
 question for the list:
 Under MacTex or TexLive, not sure which one, on my 10.4.11 system, my setup
 and env* files were located in ~/Library/texmf/tex/context/user/ I rsynced
 that dir to  ~/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/user

I'm not trying to answer your question, but that is a bad idea since
your files will get overwritten the first time when you synchronize
with --delete (which might even be the default switch).

You should better put your files to
~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/user

The texmf.cnf files now includes
 TEXMFHOME = $HOME/texmf
but maybe we could add $HOME/Library/texmf to the list as well. Any
objections to that? (I just need to figure out how to properly nest
the braces.)

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] location of /user/files?

2010-01-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 19.01.10 18:40, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

The texmf.cnf files now includes

TEXMFHOME = $HOME/texmf
but maybe we could add $HOME/Library/texmf to the list as well. Any
objections to that? (I just need to figure out how to properly nest
the braces.)

I would prefer $HOME/Library/texmf.

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Questions regarding simplefonts

2010-01-19 Thread Nicolas Girard
Hi again,
although simplefonts seems very promising and I put the highest hopes
on it, the lack of proper documentation simply prevents me to use it,
which is somewhat frustrating.
Here are some of my unanswered questions about simplefonts ; I'm
willing to update the wiki with any informations this thread could
bring.

1) How can I specify that the default font features should enable the
standard ligatures (liga) ?
I blindly tried several possibilities like
\setupsimplefonts[features={liga}] but none worked

2) How can I get \sc to work with a font  family whose small caps are
defined as a font feature, rather than dedicated .otf files ?

3) How can I get font expansion and protrusion to work using
simplefonts' dedicated keywords ? There again, I spent more than 30
minutes trying every combination I could think of, unsuccessfully.
I think it would be useful to have a complete example of code
involving simplefonts and expansion/protrusion that people could copy
 paste from the wiki

4) What is the purpose of the 'mode' keyword ?

Many thanks in advance,
cheers,
Nicolas
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Re: [NTG-context] location of /user/files?

2010-01-19 Thread Hans Hagen

On 19-1-2010 18:40, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 00:54, paul morganqueri...@gmail.com  wrote:

Thank you again Aditya and Khaled for getting ConTeXt working here. One more
question for the list:
Under MacTex or TexLive, not sure which one, on my 10.4.11 system, my setup
and env* files were located in ~/Library/texmf/tex/context/user/ I rsynced
that dir to  ~/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/user


I'm not trying to answer your question, but that is a bad idea since
your files will get overwritten the first time when you synchronize
with --delete (which might even be the default switch).

You should better put your files to
 ~/context/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/user


otr texmf-project if it's a project tree


The texmf.cnf files now includes
  TEXMFHOME = $HOME/texmf
but maybe we could add $HOME/Library/texmf to the list as well. Any
objections to that? (I just need to figure out how to properly nest
the braces.)


only mac i assume

i wonder what happens if someone has another tex installed then so maybe 
make it an option somehow .. of just considere it not-done for

the minimals

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Questions regarding simplefonts

2010-01-19 Thread Nicolas Girard
2010/1/19 Nicolas Girard nicolas.gir...@nerim.net:
 Hi again,

I forgot this one:

5) My log files contain this reassuring message:

(/home/ngirard/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/third/simplefonts/t-simplefonts.tex
loading : ConTeXt User Module / Simplefonts
)

immediatly followed with a puzzling one:

system  : module simplefonts not found


Should I ignore it ?

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Re: [NTG-context] location of /user/files?

2010-01-19 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 18:54, Hans Hagen  wrote:
 On 19-1-2010 18:40, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 The texmf.cnf files now includes
      TEXMFHOME     = $HOME/texmf
 but maybe we could add $HOME/Library/texmf to the list as well. Any
 objections to that? (I just need to figure out how to properly nest
 the braces.)

 only mac i assume

True, but it should be harmless if the folder doesn't exist on some other OS.

 i wonder what happens if someone has another tex installed then

TeX is supposed to be installed somewhere else (by default), not in
$HOME/texmf. People who do have those folders present usually know
what they are doing. Not all of them, but some random newbie would not
create a folder there.

 so maybe
 make it an option somehow .. of just considere it not-done for
 the minimals

There have been several complaints about missing TEXMFHOME and no
complaints about its presence since the time when we have added it
(must be a few months at least).

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Questions regarding simplefonts

2010-01-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 19.01.10 18:56, schrieb Nicolas Girard:

4) What is the purpose of the 'mode' keyword ?
it's the mode option from \definefontfeature, here is a explanation from 
Taco


http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2009/043782.html

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-19 Thread Oliver Heins
Hi,

under certain circumstances, ConTeXt swallows text.  This happens with
both MkII and MkIV and a fairly recent minimals distribution.

| ConTeXt  ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKII  fmt: 2009.11.25  int: english/english
| ConTeXt  ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKIV  fmt: 2009.11.25  int: english/english

Sadly, I noticed not until the booklet was already printed.  (Actually,
it was my customer who noticed.)  :-(

Best regards,
 olli

% ---
\enableregime[utf-8]
\setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
\setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]

\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
  offset=0mm,
  topspace=0cm,height=middle,
  location=middle,
]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]

\definefloat[grafik]
\setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]

\definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
\definecolumnsetarea
[title][left]
[x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start]

\starttext

\startcolumnset[ergebnisse]

\dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}

\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}

\subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}

Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
world should knew about!)

\dorecurse{3}{\input tufte}

\stopcolumnset

\stoptext
% ---

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Re: [NTG-context] numbered itemize

2010-01-19 Thread Willi Egger

Hi,

I tried to extend the example with a general setup-instruction,  
however this creates an error:


\setupitemgroup[itemize][each][n,fit,broad] 
[start=8,itemalign=flushright]

\starttext
\startitemize
\item bla
\item bli
\item di
\item bla
\item di
\item blu
\stopitemize
\stoptext

! Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted).
to be read again
   
\redostartitemgroup ...fdim \currentitemmaxwidth 
  \zeropoint  
\esetitemparame...

\dostartitemgroup ... {\dodostartitemgroup [#2][]}
  \fi
to be read again
   \item

Kind regards

Willi

On Jan 17, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:



Am 17.01.2010 um 16:17 schrieb Peter Münster:


On Sun, Jan 17 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


That's not the problem, what did not work is

- 'itemalign=...' in combination with 'width=dimen' and
- 'fit' in combination with 'distance=dimen'


Bug or feature?  Should we add it to the tracker?


Bug, I think. Can you add them?

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] numbered itemize

2010-01-19 Thread Hans Hagen

On 19-1-2010 19:38, Willi Egger wrote:

Hi,

I tried to extend the example with a general setup-instruction, however
this creates an error:

\setupitemgroup[itemize][each][n,fit,broad][start=8,itemalign=flushright]
\starttext
\startitemize
\item bla
\item bli
\item di
\item bla
\item di
\item blu
\stopitemize
\stoptext

! Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted).
to be read again
 
\redostartitemgroup ...fdim \currentitemmaxwidth 
\zeropoint \esetitemparame...
\dostartitemgroup ... {\dodostartitemgroup [#2][]}
\fi
to be read again
\item


is that the latest beta?

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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Let me be a bit more nationalistic and exaggerate a bit for a moment
(just in order to explain why I find the idea of using `` a bad one;
do not take the text below too seriously or personally):

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 14:15, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
 On Monday 18 January 2010 13:50:25 Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 views63 wrote:
 
  I'm using `` complex analysis'' the output is wrong.

 Not really. We (Hans and I) would say that it is now finally right. ;)

 This is true of many standard TeX ligatures (is this the right word here?)
 such as ... (\ldots, \dots also works),  (\og),  (\fg), ` (\glqq),
 ' (\grqq), ~ (unbreakable space), etc.

 This can be a bit disturbing for experienced TeX users.

- I agree. 80% of Slovenian (La)TeX users use US quotation marks just
because they have read some TeX tutorial about how to use `` and ''.
- Knuth only thought of English quotation marks when implementing the
ugly trick. There is no simple way for opening quotation marks („)
for Slovenian/German and most probably for quite some other languages
as well. So ``'' notation is useless for a big fraction of users
anyway. (The only alternative is probably \glqq  friends. You can use
a similar one in ConTeXt as well, but I tend to forget exact names.)
- On Slovenian keyboard it's pretty complicated to type `. Let's take
Mac (but it's equally complicated on Windows). One needs to press
Alt++space. This means 2x3=6 strokes to get the character “ typeset.
The character “ itself only takes a single stroke on Mac/Slo. On
Mac/US Int. it's just Alt+[ (2 keystrokes) to get it, so not that bad
either.
- When using \quotation{} it's easy to change the mind about what
quotation marks to use (Slovenian/German use two different sets) and
the proper layout will be used based on the language being used (comes
handy when mixing languages inside the document). Which is great - no
need to think which one to use.
- The deciding moment when some of these ugly tricks have been thrown
away was when we realized that if you do add those tricks, there is no
way to print the grave accent. (Grave accent will be automatically
converted to the same comma that you get in quotation marks.) In
good old TeX the grave accent (`) and the character that you get when
you type ` are at two different slots. In Unicode-encoded fonts that's
not doable. This means that if one wants to enable the `` trick then
there's no way to allow composite characters with grave accent or the
character ` in typewriter font. In most cases that is not a problem
since Unicode fonts usually support a wide range of characters, but I
already had to use a character not present in Unicode. And that was
not doable until the hack has been removed.

In the good old days the ugly tricks have been there mostly in order
to compensate for lack of Unicode  accents on keyboards. Nowadays the
limitation of encodings has (almost) gone.

You can easily change the behaviour of ConTeXt by modifying font
features if you insist in using ``''.

 OK, \quotation{} is cleaner and of course using unicode
 characters may be even more readable, sometimes.

 I have very mixed feelings, as I know how to type ...
 but I never can recall the keyboard gymnastics necessary
 to get this in unicode.

That's why I always use \quotation{}.

 (Things are even worse on a Mac, as the standard keyboard
 layout is missing lots of important characters.)

I have no idea which keyboard you use, but US International is pretty
rich (the problem is lack of some legend on keyboard itself), on the
other hand it's easy enough to make your own layout.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Mojca Miklavec wrote:


This can be a bit disturbing for experienced TeX users.


- The deciding moment when some of these ugly tricks have been thrown
away was when we realized that if you do add those tricks, there is no
way to print the grave accent. (Grave accent will be automatically
converted to the same comma that you get in quotation marks.)


This is really important when your are trying to typeset source code. 
Simple things like


  a = 'string'
  b = `some system command`

gets printed as

  a = ‛string‛
  b = ‘some system command‘

Depending on which font you are using, this change can be very confusing.

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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 20:31:22 Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 Let me be a bit more nationalistic and exaggerate a bit for a moment
 (just in order to explain why I find the idea of using `` a bad one;
 do not take the text below too seriously or personally):

I think that the easiest would be for everyone to use English :)
That's my bit for Imperialism!

As I write in a mixture of languages, I like to use \quotation{}.
But long-time TeX users have habits that die hard,
and just as we expect fl to yield fl, we also learn many bad tricks
such as ``'' and ...

 - The deciding moment when some of these ugly tricks have been thrown
 away was when we realized that if you do add those tricks, there is no
 way to print the grave accent.

How about {\`} (untested)

You probably are right to favor \quotation{}, \dots, etc.
and to go unicode. But is it really necessary and a good idea
to break with TeX culture? I guess so. What about $ $ (and $$ $$)?
How about % (\%)? Not to mention 

 I have no idea which keyboard you use, but US International is pretty
 rich (the problem is lack of some legend on keyboard itself), on the
 other hand it's easy enough to make your own layout.

My own computers are US International. However, I often use other
computers having different layouts, many of which I cannot change.
The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards, as when I use them,
I always have to remember how to find \ and {}

The bottom line is that we need to document these differences
towards the very beginning of the manual, where ConTeXt is
identified as a form of TeX.

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Re: [NTG-context] Questions regarding simplefonts

2010-01-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 19.01.10 18:56, schrieb Nicolas Girard:

Hi again,
although simplefonts seems very promising and I put the highest hopes
on it, the lack of proper documentation simply prevents me to use it,
which is somewhat frustrating.

I try to provide a proper documentation when I release the next
version of my module.

Here are some of my unanswered questions about simplefonts ; I'm
willing to update the wiki with any informations this thread could
bring.

1) How can I specify that the default font features should enable the
standard ligatures (liga) ?
I blindly tried several possibilities like
\setupsimplefonts[features={liga}] but none worked
Ligatures are enabled in ConTeXt default fontfeature and simplefonts 
applies only
the default features to the font, when you don't get them in your 
document this could

be a font problem, in most cases it helps to select a different script.

\setupsimplefonts[script=latin]

or

\setmainfont[...][script=latin]

2) How can I get \sc to work with a font  family whose small caps are
defined as a font feature, rather than dedicated .otf files ?

The caps font is loaded by default by the smallcaps fontfeature,
if this did not work the problem could be the same as for the ligatures.

3) How can I get font expansion and protrusion to work using
simplefonts' dedicated keywords ? There again, I spent more than 30
minutes trying every combination I could think of, unsuccessfully.
I think it would be useful to have a complete example of code
involving simplefonts and expansion/protrusion that people could copy
  paste from the wiki


You can use the two keys expamsion ans protrusion, their values are
the same as you have e to write in \definefontfeature.

\setupsimplefonts[expansion=quality,protrusion=quality]


or


\setmainfont[...][expansion=quality,protrusion=quality]

Examples are available on bitbucket:
http://bitbucket.org/wolfs/simplefonts/src/tip/files/


Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-19 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
 Hi,

 under certain circumstances, ConTeXt swallows text.  This happens with
 both MkII and MkIV and a fairly recent minimals distribution.

 | ConTeXt  ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKII  fmt: 2009.11.25  int: english/english
 | ConTeXt  ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKIV  fmt: 2009.11.25  int: english/english

 Sadly, I noticed not until the booklet was already printed.  (Actually,
 it was my customer who noticed.)  :-(

 Best regards,
  olli

 % ---
 \enableregime[utf-8]
 \setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
 \setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]

 \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
 \setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
  offset=0mm,
  topspace=0cm,height=middle,
  location=middle,
 ]
 \setupcolors[state=start]
 \setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]

 \definefloat[grafik]
 \setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]

 \definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
 \definecolumnsetarea
 [title][left]
 [x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start]

 \starttext

 \startcolumnset[ergebnisse]

 \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}

 \placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}

 \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}

 Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
 David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
 world should knew about!)

 \dorecurse{3}{\input tufte}

 \stopcolumnset

 \stoptext
 % ---

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Why nx=6 and width=1.95\textwidth ?

What about this ?

\enableregime[utf-8]
\setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
\setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]

\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
 offset=0mm,
  topspace=0cm,height=middle,
   location=middle,
   ]
   \setupcolors[state=start]
   \setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]

   \definefloat[grafik]
   \setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]

   \definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
   \definecolumnsetarea
   [title][left]
   [x=1,y=1,nx=2,ny=42,page=2,state=start]

   
\setupcolumnsetareatext[title][left][{\externalfigure[cow][width=1.95\textwidth]}]

   \starttext

   \startcolumnset[ergebnisse]

   \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}

   %\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[cow][width=1.95\textwidth]}

   \subject{foo fooo fooof oof fooo}

   \dorecurse{5}{\input tufte}

   \stopcolumnset

   \stoptext



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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 19.01.10 21:10, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:

You probably are right to favor \quotation{}, \dots, etc.
and to go unicode. But is it really necessary and a good idea
to break with TeX culture? I guess so. What about $ $ (and $$ $$)?
How about % (\%)? Not to mention
   

$ and  are no problem because you can write inline math with \formula{...}
and ConTeXt’s tables don't use 

% is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment
and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Am 19.01.10 21:10, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:

You probably are right to favor \quotation{}, \dots, etc.
and to go unicode. But is it really necessary and a good idea
to break with TeX culture? I guess so. What about $ $ (and $$ $$)?
How about % (\%)? Not to mention


$ and  are no problem because you can write inline math with \formula{...}
and ConTeXt’s tables don't use 


I will probably also set # catcode to be letter in ctxcatcodetable.


% is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment
and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro


\comment{something}

or

\startcomment
...
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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote:


On Tuesday 19 January 2010 20:31:22 Mojca Miklavec wrote:

Let me be a bit more nationalistic and exaggerate a bit for a moment
(just in order to explain why I find the idea of using `` a bad one;
do not take the text below too seriously or personally):


I think that the easiest would be for everyone to use English :)
That's my bit for Imperialism!

As I write in a mixture of languages, I like to use \quotation{}.
But long-time TeX users have habits that die hard,
and just as we expect fl to yield fl, we also learn many bad tricks
such as ``'' and ...


- The deciding moment when some of these ugly tricks have been thrown
away was when we realized that if you do add those tricks, there is no
way to print the grave accent.


How about {\`} (untested)


No. It is not easy. See 
http://archive.contextgarden.net/thread/20060912.165653.90ce7552.en.html


In particular, see Taco's reply.

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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 19.01.10 21:26, schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

% is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment
and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro


\comment{something}

or

\startcomment
...
\stopcomment

what about

\starttext
text Auf%
lage text
\stoptext

or

\def\foo#1#2%
  {...}

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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Am 19.01.10 21:26, schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

% is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment
and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro


\comment{something}

or

\startcomment
...
\stopcomment

what about

\starttext
text Auf%
lage text
\stoptext


\starttext
text Auf\relax
lage text
\stoptext


or


\unprotect


\def\foo#1#2%
 {...}


\protect


(with appropriate changes in the catcode tables)

For (simple) user macros we already have

\define[2]\foo
  { ... }

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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Hans Hagen

On 19-1-2010 21:10, Alan BRASLAU wrote:


and just as we expect fl to yield fl, we also learn many bad tricks


more precisely: as tex turns fl into fl without distinction between 
languages we have come to expect that to be the case



such as ``'' and ...


i must admit that i've never used those doubles ... \quotation cum suis 
are the oldest context commands


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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 21:10, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

 I think that the easiest would be for everyone to use English :)
 That's my bit for Imperialism!

But then there would be plenty of historians trying to reproduce the
old languages, just as Idris does. So nothing would be gained :) :)
:)

 As I write in a mixture of languages, I like to use \quotation{}.
 But long-time TeX users have habits that die hard,

(Let them continue use TeX then :) :) :)

But seriously - there are lots of other incompatibilities.

 and just as we expect fl to yield fl, we also learn many bad tricks
 such as ``'' and ...

No, you won't get that ligature if your font doesn't support it and
most people do not notice that ligatures exist at all (including me,
even after using LaTeX for several years).

Yes - it is a trick on the same level, but that trick needs to be
implemented in font. ConTeXt will never try to replace that with a
ligature if your font won't ask for that (and there's a way to turn
ligatures off completely in mkiv/xetex).

You can also easily create a font that will do the replacement of
backtick with single quotation mark for you. The main difference is
that 99.9% fonts in the wild don't have that replacement built in,
while most high-quality fonts do have some ligatures. The replacement
of ` or ' would usually be done by editors (Word), but there is no
standard editor for TeX to do that.

 - The deciding moment when some of these ugly tricks have been thrown
 away was when we realized that if you do add those tricks, there is no
 way to print the grave accent.

 How about {\`} (untested)

Apart from the fact that this is a command used for a completely
different purpose, it wouldn't help. The problem is that
transformation is being done on glyph at position 0x60 in font itself.
The only option would be to copy the glyph 0x60 to Private Unicode
Area and then assign \textgrave to point to that obscure slot. But
that's more than ugly.

(See also Aditya's answer about apostrophe.)

 You probably are right to favor \quotation{}, \dots, etc.
 and to go unicode. But is it really necessary and a good idea
 to break with TeX culture? I guess so. What about $ $ (and $$ $$)?
 How about % (\%)? Not to mention 

This is a completely different question. (I do miss $$...$$ to be honest.)
These are active characters. You may do
\catcode\`=\letter (untested syntax)
or maybe some \nonknuthmode command and you'll get the characted .
Same is true for % (but yes - you need to forget about comments then).
The meaning of those characters is changed on the editor level, so
it's extremely easy to change the behaviour.

The hack with `` is on font level. And that's when it's gets really
ugly. There is *no* way to get the original character back without
changing the font itself.

Two exceptions have been left on font level. That is two (harmless)
ligatures: -- (endash), --- (emdash) and replacement with
apostrophe as in I'm. The last one is still very very ugly, but I
think it's mission impossible to convince anyone to change the habit
of using the proper apostrophe instead of '.

 I have no idea which keyboard you use, but US International is pretty
 rich (the problem is lack of some legend on keyboard itself), on the
 other hand it's easy enough to make your own layout.

 My own computers are US International. However, I often use other
 computers having different layouts, many of which I cannot change.
 The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards,

Let's be honest ... any French keyboard ... :)

 as when I use them,
 I always have to remember how to find \ and {}

I admit that I neither remember where to find the letter A on French
keyboard nor the same characters on Slovenian keyboard ... But wait!
So you are complaining that you don't find quotation marks when
already \ and {} cause you problems?

 The bottom line is that we need to document these differences
 towards the very beginning of the manual, where ConTeXt is
 identified as a form of TeX.

I agree with that ... but there's a general problem with
(unmaintaned) documentation in ConTeXt.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-19 Thread Oliver Heins
Hi Luigi,

luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 Why nx=6 

Because of the layout of the booklet.  The area should fit over two
pages (= 6 columns).

 and width=1.95\textwidth ?

I played around with the width to see if the problem still happens.  For
some reason, I stuck with 1.95\textwidth.  In my original setup, I had
lines=19 :-)

 What about this ? 

That's a completely different layout.  You can find the relevant pages
of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Peter Münster
On Tue, Jan 19 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

 My own computers are US International. However, I often use other
 computers having different layouts, many of which I cannot change.
 The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards, as when I use them,
 I always have to remember how to find \ and {}

Perhaps you could put your dot-files (especially .xmodmap) on a public
server, and whenever you change the computer, you copy your personal
keyboard layout.
I'm doing that with subversion. svn co ... and I feel at home :)

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text

2010-01-19 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
 Hi Luigi,

 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:

 Why nx=6

 Because of the layout of the booklet.  The area should fit over two
 pages (= 6 columns).
ok

You can find the relevant pages
 of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf

If I understand well, you want
an automatic solution
instead of a manual solution like this one

 \defineoverlay [foregraphics]
[{\externalfigure[cow][width=5.8\textwidth,lines=41]}]
 \defineoverlay [backgraphics]
[{\externalfigure[mill][width=2\textwidth,lines=20]}]

   \definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
   \definecolumnsetarea
   [title][left]
   
[x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start,background={backgraphics,foreground,foregraphics}]

   \setupcolumnsetareatext[title][left][{%
\ruledhbox to \dimexpr 6\textwidth+2\backspace+1cm\relax{\raggedright
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 1}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
\hskip0.5em
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 2}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
\hskip\backspace
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 3}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
\hskip0.5em
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 4}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
}
}]


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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards,


Let's be honest ... any French keyboard ... :)


Don't forget macbook keyboards with dvorak mapping ;)


I agree with that ... but there's a general problem with
(unmaintaned) documentation in ConTeXt.


There is the mkiv differences page in the wiki, but already the
context manual is quite clear on using \quotation and \quote.

The problem is that all the latex and plain tex books promote
the use of `` and '' and people that already use TeX are unlikely
to change their habits (and most will not read the context manual
as thoroughly as they should).

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 08:04:43 Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 The problem is that all the latex and plain tex books promote
 the use of `` and '' and people that already use TeX are unlikely
 to change their habits (and most will not read the context manual
 as thoroughly as they should).
 

This is my concern. Whereas I do prefer \quotation{} being functionally 
logical, after all the spirit of TeX, I also like unicode generalizations 
(such as ± for \pm). Nevertheless, hard core TeX users as well as converts 
from LaTeX *expect* ``'', --, ---, ..., etc. to work in ConTeXt. I assume that 
the present discussion is useful and not simply controversial.

I ignore the mechanisms behind the different implementations (macro, fonts, 
catcar, ...) and the problems that arise.

Concerning typesetting source code, I would suggest something as simple as 
suspending ALL such tricks within \text{} and \starttyping\stoptyping (perhaps 
parametrized). One could also define something like \shellescape{}, analogous 
to \quotation{}, to typeset `echo hello world` and even \string{} to typeset 
string or 'string', according to the programming language initialized.

What I also find disturbing is that *some* of these conventions are retained, 
but not all.

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Peter Münster
On Wed, Jan 20 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

 What I also find disturbing is that *some* of these conventions are retained, 
 but not all.

Since most people use fixed width fonts in their editors, it is difficult
to distinguish between – (en-dash), — (em-dash) and - (hyphen-minus).
So -- and --- are quite useful.

Cheers, Peter

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Re: [NTG-context] Questions regarding simplefonts

2010-01-19 Thread Marius
Hello all,

I add my questions regarding simplefonts to this thread too.
How to enable em dash and en dash? It looks like I need to set tlig to
yes, but with heading pasted below, the --- is not interpreted as em
dash.



\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[Times New Roman][script=latin, texligatures=yes]
\setsansfont[Arial Unicode MS]
\setmonofont[Courier New]

\setupbodyfont[10pt]

\setuppapersize[C5][C5]
\setupindenting[yes, medium, next]

\starttext
text---text
\stoptext

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