RE: Job Scheduler pattern
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Paul Knepper wrote: Joseph, Very cool. How do you stop a client-module that auto-started and then restart it? Hmm,the cute answer: any way you like. YOU are the programmer, right? I suppose you could have some kind of query mechanism (listen on a JMS queue? Look for a signal file, or a database record?) ... or use Orion's hot-deploy feature, which won't interrupt your users' sessions if you're a careful developer. (To wit: follow Kevin Duffey's advice to set serialVersionUID or whatever the variable name is. It's early.) Say you deployed the app (which also has ejb and web modules) and later wanted to add another task to the scheduler. Can you start and stop the java client module, so that it would reload the properties file, without affecting the web module? I might have users logged in to the website and I wouldn't want to redeploy everthing and messup any current sessions. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Joseph B. Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:04 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Job Scheduler pattern The www.orionsupport.com site has a sample scheduler that can easily be converted to do something like this. On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Justin Crosbie wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if I've asked this before, or if I should be asking on a general EJB list. I'd like to implement a job scheduler in J2EE. This would shcedule the execution of EJB methods at a specified time in the future. It would have to be persistent, and jobsd would be rescheduled upon appserver restart. Is it as simple as using the Timer and TimerTask in java.util to implement an app that is started with the client-module tag? Does it matter as far as Orion goes whether I use a java.util.Timer as a daemon or not? What can I do if the app, or the Timer object dies at any stage? I've had problems where after some time something goes wrong I get a strange Remote Exception, and the only solution is to restart the VM. What might cause this? Any opinions on this? How do I make this solution robust is what I am asking. Thanks for any help, Justin --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Job Scheduler pattern
The www.orionsupport.com site has a sample scheduler that can easily be converted to do something like this. On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Justin Crosbie wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if I've asked this before, or if I should be asking on a general EJB list. I'd like to implement a job scheduler in J2EE. This would shcedule the execution of EJB methods at a specified time in the future. It would have to be persistent, and jobsd would be rescheduled upon appserver restart. Is it as simple as using the Timer and TimerTask in java.util to implement an app that is started with the client-module tag? Does it matter as far as Orion goes whether I use a java.util.Timer as a daemon or not? What can I do if the app, or the Timer object dies at any stage? I've had problems where after some time something goes wrong I get a strange Remote Exception, and the only solution is to restart the VM. What might cause this? Any opinions on this? How do I make this solution robust is what I am asking. Thanks for any help, Justin --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
RE: Job Scheduler pattern
It *can* use the Timer classes; it just doesn't. The danger in using Timer, of course, is resoruce starvation if the event being started restarts before the previous execution finishes. On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Justin Crosbie wrote: Yes I have seen that, it is very bare-bones. It doesn't even use the Timer classes. I need to know how to make this robust. Thanks, Justin -Original Message- From: Joseph B. Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 January 2002 12:04 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Job Scheduler pattern The www.orionsupport.com site has a sample scheduler that can easily be converted to do something like this. On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Justin Crosbie wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if I've asked this before, or if I should be asking on a general EJB list. I'd like to implement a job scheduler in J2EE. This would shcedule the execution of EJB methods at a specified time in the future. It would have to be persistent, and jobsd would be rescheduled upon appserver restart. Is it as simple as using the Timer and TimerTask in java.util to implement an app that is started with the client-module tag? Does it matter as far as Orion goes whether I use a java.util.Timer as a daemon or not? What can I do if the app, or the Timer object dies at any stage? I've had problems where after some time something goes wrong I get a strange Remote Exception, and the only solution is to restart the VM. What might cause this? Any opinions on this? How do I make this solution robust is what I am asking. Thanks for any help, Justin --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: orion xml's
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Morten Wilken wrote: Am i the only one who thinks that the idea that you have to edit the autogenerated files like orion-ejb-jar.xml etc. is a bit problematic? Probably. sure it can be done and it works, but i would be much happier if i could have 2 sets of xml files, the ones you edit (and you could put in your versioning system), and another set that orion generates, and that you never have to fiddle with. It's much more convenient than the alternative: having ot generate both sets of XML before you can deploy at all. As it is, you can manually generate the stuff you want, and Orion will... oh wait, looks like you're not aware of that fully, read on! it seems an odd mix the way it is right now, as if it was meant to be seperated, but somehow it wasn't followed through i could be wrong, and missing the point of the structure entirely Here's what I do: deploy with just the J2EE files, then copy the orion-generated files to my base directory (i.e., orion-web.xml into WEB-INF, etc.) and edit that file. Then I wipe out the deployment that orion made, and redeploy; Orion copies the orion-*.xml files in place and uses them. comments appreciated sincerely morten wilken --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Nimda Virus
No, and my server gets hit mercilessly day in and day out. :) On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Nusairat, Joseph F. wrote: Have any of u had issues with this exploiting the Orion App? Joseph Faisal Nusairat, Sr. Project Manager WorldCom tel: 614-723-4232 pager: 888-452-0399 textmsg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: pre-compile JSP
Yes. For each JSP file, set up a servlet name, and autoload each servlet. It's very painful. Ill-advised, too. Your choice. On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Vincent Faidherbe wrote: Is it possible to configure Orion in order to it directly compiles JSP page when they are deployed ? -- Vincent Faidherbe icogs --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: deploying a war file
See www.orionsupport.com, which details this pretty plainly. On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, John Miller wrote: Has anyone done this in Orion before? If so could you tell me how. Any advice, tips, info would be appreciated. Regards, Johnny http://www.iii.co.uk Interactive Investor International is a leading UK Internet personal finance service that provides individuals with the capability to identify, compare, monitor and buy online a number of financial products and services. Interactive Investor Trading Limited, a subsidiary of Interactive Investor International plc, is regulated by the SFA. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: index.jsp as default page of a directory
Add a set of welcome files, see the docs for web.xml. Basically, it's a set of lines like this: welcome-file-list welcome-fileindex.jsp/welcome-file welcome-fileindex.html/welcome-file /welcome-file-list See the docs for the specifics. On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Roozbeh Ghaffari wrote: Hi! It seems that Orion does not use index.jsp as default page for a directory. It just looks for index.html. I usually put an index.html in my directories which redirects the client to index.jsp of the same directory. I think it's somehow silly! Any other idea? tnx, Roozbeh/ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: best way to build a link to work in different deploymentconfigurations??
I use a tag to do it, myself. On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Brian Thompson wrote: I have an application that during development is deployed multiple times with the following... http://devwebsite/customerApp1 http://devwebsite/customerApp2 In production, I'd like to deploy the applications as... http://customerApp1 http://customerApp2 In the first case file references would look like the following img src=/customerApp1/images/logo.gif while in the second case it should be img src=/images/logo.gif My question is what is the best way to handle file references (links, images, etc) within the application to support both deployments. We could use the request.getContextPath() as a prefix to all file references img src=%=request.getContextPath()%/images/logo.gif but to do this across an entire application seems like extra overhead. It seems like there should be a more elegant solution. I've scoured the orion doc to see if there is a way to do this through configuring websites and webapps, but with no success. Has anyone discovered a better way?? Thanks. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: SOAP interface for ejb beans
Why don't you ask the Apache group, instead? On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Jon Ward wrote: Is there an apache soap implementation of the StatelessEJBProvider class available. Jon --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Re[2]: Fwd: file upload
www.orionsupport.com now has Nick's classes on it (see the File Upload link.) As for storing it in an EJB... beware, here be dragons and really poor network latency. On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Christoph Sturm wrote: Hello Nick, Thursday, July 12, 2001, 5:57:56 PM, you wrote: NN Hi Christoph, NN Sending a file to the server is a specialized little job. The Orion server NN supplies some orion-specific classes to help (see www.orionsupport.com and NN search for 'upload'). Alternatively, I have written some generic J2EE code NN for the same task, and you are welcome to have that - just drop me a NN line. (The orionsupport guys said they'd post it on their website, but so NN far it's not there.) Hey nick! It would be great if you could send me your code. I have the upload from the client to the webserver already going. What I need now is to get the file into a ejb. regards chris --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Fwd: file upload
Nick, can you resend that to me? On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Nick Newman wrote: Hi Christoph, Sending a file to the server is a specialized little job. The Orion server supplies some orion-specific classes to help (see www.orionsupport.com and search for 'upload'). Alternatively, I have written some generic J2EE code for the same task, and you are welcome to have that - just drop me a line. (The orionsupport guys said they'd post it on their website, but so far it's not there.) Nick, SCIENTECH Inc At 04:09 PM 7/12/01 +0200, you wrote: resending cos it didnt appear on the list for 24 hours :) This is a forwarded message From: Christoph Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2001, 3:27:46 PM Subject: file upload ===8==Original message text=== Hello orion-Interest, I want to stream a uploaded file to the ejb server and save it in a cmp bean. The problem is that a FileInputStream is not serializable. Whats the best way to handle this? -- Best regards, Christoph mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Cookies larger than 20k
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Orion Developers wrote: We're having problems passing cookies greater then 20k in size. We get a http: 413 error, and the servlets seem to truncate over that limit. There's some seriously debatable value in using cookies over 20k in size. I'd really suggest you reconsider this. Really. And no, I have no worthwhile contribution other than a sense of Gee, do you REALLY want to hang yourself or your users like this? Also, is there a version/bug fix list available to the public? we are on 1.4.5 and I am wondering about 1.5.2, and what issues have been addressed. Check out changes.txt, as usual. Finally, has ANYONE had any success getting ahold of Cadrion, the alleged 'support partner' of Orion?? While I can't speak for Cadrion *or* Ironflare... I understand Cadrion had some issues a while back, unrelated to Orion. Check www.atlassian.com/support/ out; it looks like LITERALLY the same thing. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Problem connecting to Ms Sql Server 2000
That's not a problem with your entity bean - that's a problem with your choice of JDBC drivers. The JdbcOdbc can't handle multiple threads. Solution: get a better driver. On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Sergei Batiuk wrote: Hey people, I am having trouble connecting to MS SQL 2000 from my entity bean. I have an ODBC data source set up for the database, and connect to it using sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbc driver. I get the following: java.rmi.RemoteException: java.sql.SQLException: [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver]Connection is busy with results for another hstmt at Manager_StatelessSessionBeanWrapper0.getNewsItemsCount(Manager_StatelessSess ionBeanWrapper0.java:209) at /n/news-all.jsp._jspService(/n/news-all.jsp.java:78) (JSP page line 27) at com.orionserver.http.OrionHttpJspPage.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication.xj(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.JSPServlet.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d3.sw(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d3.include(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.EvermindPageContext.include(JAX) at /n/index.jsp._jspService(/n/index.jsp.java:182) at com.orionserver.http.OrionHttpJspPage.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication.xj(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.JSPServlet.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d3.sw(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d3.su(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.ef.s1(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.ef.do(JAX) at com.evermind.util.f.run(JAX) What is going on? Best regards, Sergei. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: groups and usermanager
You need two records for the multiple groups; they're not comma-delimited. On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Lawrence Fry wrote: Has anybody used more than one group outside of the defaultGroups for a usermanager? I have found that if you use EJBUserManager, and use more than one group in the EJBUser_groups table.. username='somename' value='my-admins,my-users' Only the first group in the list is used (my-admins), the second (my-users) group can't be used for authentication. Is there a workaround for this? regards, the elephantwalker --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
a hypothetical syringe^Wsituation.) Oracle licenses Orion; deploys it. Oracle customer Sam-I-Am.com (selling green eggs and ham, no doubt) finds a *gasp* bug. They then report it to Oracle, who dismisses the bug entirely. Then, www.whoville.gov discovers a different bug, and reports it too. Oracle pays attention, notes the bug and a fix, sends it to whoville.gov... What happens for us? There are a few possibilities. 1) Oracle and Ironflare have a slightly (or mostly) symbiotic relationship with respect to Orion, and Oracle sends the patch/fix/note to Ironflare. 2) Oracle ignores Ironflare and branches OC4J permanently from the parent codebase. 3) Oracle sends a horse's head to Magnus' bed. Which one do you think is in Oracle's best interest? I say #3, and then #1, in order. If it is, indeed, either of those, we all win. Oh no. Perish the thought. All righty then, so let's spread the wealth. I'm guessing there are some contributors who don't have six-figure, five-figure or even four-figure incomes. I'm no saint, but I would like to see them do more than send out an email saying, Thanks for making us rich. Have a nice life... Again, not for me. I'm sure they'll never answer my emails. Oh wait, that's already happened. *shrug* If you ask me, the value they've added to my working capabilities has been well worth it. I think they've done enough. How about Orionacle offering a job for one of the contributors to write a reliable list server based on Orion? I mean a paying job, this time. I want them to offer me a job installing already-proven list software that doesn't involve Orion at all. :) --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet! --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Sure, I can understand this -- good thing we have orionsupport.com, which isn't affiliated with Ironflare. This is why I've never been willing to advertise anything on orionsupport, and why I'm not directly affiliated in any way with Ironflare - because I want the freedom to some day post something like Orion totally sucks in area XYZ (not mentioning anything like JMS, for example, am I?) without worrying about receiving a warning from the Swedish Mafia. You see, Joseph, it's this kind of humor that makes people think of waking up next to their favorite racehorse's head. Not sure what your point is, here, pardner. After all, I was saying this is why Orionsupport isn't directly affiliated, so that we wouldn't have to worry about that in any case... and then you say something that leads me to believe you took the exact wrong meaning. You've been doing that a lot; this kind of dedication takes a peculiar sort of effort. The buck stops here sign is on Karl's and Magnus' desk, right? I hope they don't usually ride in the same car together all time. :) Well, I didn't know they HAD desks - I can see Satan doing all his work on a futon for some reason - but at this point, we don't know how much responsibility Oracle has taken. *shrug* We'll see. They may not have desks yet, but they can probably afford to order big, hand-carved, mahogony ones now. I hope so! They deserve them. At any rate, I have a little more information about the deal now than I did; your dire warnings are, IMHO, unfounded. Sure, there are some nasty implications for those poor souls still waiting for Godot^WIronflare to provide Oracle-level support for Orion, but even those are merely implications and not a fomral reality yet. From your previous comment about looking at Oracle, let me cite an example about supporting integrated products. A couple of years ago, I found an error in Adrian Cockroft's book, Sun Performance and Tuning regarding the formulas for shared memory and semaphore settings in etc/system. Of course, Adrian (creator of the VirtualAdrian tools) is a god and I'm just a troll (as someone recently pointed out), but even trolls get lucky now and then. Are you a BLIND troll, that's the real question. [snip, snippety snip snip snip!] My point is that the dance between Orion and Oracle could be just as complex. Sure, could be. But isn't. :) I'm not trying to hold some special knowldge over your head, and it's quite possible that what I know is public knowledge, but until I confirm that, I ain't saying. Karl/Magnus have not, apparently, hired the people on the Ironflare side to free them up to address such questions. Just because Oracle has a support infrastucture, call center, help desk, etc, does not mean that Oracle has anyone who can deal with the really tough problems. Doubt THAT - the whole reason they licensed Orion is because they found that they were getting the real tough problems and their lousy infrastructure wasn't set up for it. Not a matter of THEIR SKILL, mind you, but of the original thought that went into their misbegotten app server crap. Before getting flamed again, I am NOT picking on Orion/Oracle here. I believe orion-interest and orionsupport are more responsive and accurate, generally, than the big companies. I would still have great confidence in just about any Orion/Oracle combination. We shall, as you say, *shrug* see. You sure? Why do you? I would like to see Oracle at least attempt to hire some of the people around the world who contributed their valuable time to debugging Orion free of charge. NOT ME. I'm not looking for a job with Orionacle. Me either... but I'm not sure if this is your actual gripe. If it is, hey, um, wow... you're over-reacting by a lot, IMHO. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
RE: Oracle deal gag
Mmmkay, this is a little late, but hey - when have I been known to shut up? On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: After my criticism, subsequent messages from others on the original thread (RE: Oracle deal) also went through fine, but none of them were critical of Ironflare. In fact, all of them either told me to shut up (Greg Stickley and Hani Suleiman, who described the problem as a pebble), were complimentary of the deal, and/or tried to change the subject. Seems odd to me that not one, single critical comment about the most important business deal in Orion Server's history came after mine, unless the thread was being censored. Good thing we've never heard of paranoia. Oops, now we have. I would point out one of Karl's statements in his reply to me: The purpose of the orion-interest has always been to promote the exchange of experiences and knowledge between our users, not as a channel to communicate with us. I interpret the statement above to be a veiled warning that big brother is watching and not to criticize Ironflare via orion-interest. Dadgum, there's that paranoia thing again. If you've read the mailing list archives, you'll see plenty of criticism of Ironflare, most of it deserved, and none of it censored that I'm aware of. And I've even sent some of it. As far as Karl's statement... it seems like you've an agenda, and you're using a National Enquirer-like ability to read between lines. Hi, how are you doing is not I'M GOING TO KILL YOU! and Orion-interest is a sharing area between users, not a channel to communicate with us is not We hate everything you say that we don't agree with, and will censor it. Don't you also find it odd that Ironflare did not make this announcement? Rather, it came from Bryan Young's discovery after trying oc4j. My guess is that Ironflare, possibly under orders from Oracle, wanted to keep this quiet and is now attempting damage control. Damage control? Why? What damage, exactly has been caused? Ironflare hasn't been sold; neither has Orion. The only damage I see is possibly between a few sets of ears. As far as I can tell, this is ALL good for Ironflare; people who want real J2EE and want a real company backing it can buy OC4J and get the best of both worlds - support and quality. (Oh no, what a horrifying thought, eh?) and people who want to stick with pure Orion (i.e., those of us who don't want to run Oracle, or don't need Oracle's support layer) can stick with what we have. What horror. If it's a list problem, okay, but how can we possibly know? Time will tell, though it could also be that open discussions are not and have never been allowed in this interest group. Man, you ARE paranoid. Jay At 04:37 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote: J, There have been lags and blackholes on the list last week. I suspect this is because the two gents have been in San Francisco in the last week, and have not been unable to keep up the maintenance. Sunday and Monday, and some of Tuesday lastweek there were no messages. Its a list problem...don't blame Orion. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J Armstrong Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:50 PM To: Orion-Interest Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Oracle deal gag Just for fun, try bitching about the original issue. I tried twice (two days ago and one day ago) to respond to Karl Avendal's response to me on this thread and it's not showing up. At 12:48 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote: Haha, I know... Hani just said we should bitch so I did :P - Phillip --- elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil, Orion also supports do's, even though the latest draft doesn't include do's (an earlier draft had major sections on do's). Phil, this is a moving target, and these guys will fix their ejb 2.0. Please log the references issue and bidirectional relations problem with bugzilla, they will fix it. Regards, the elephantwalker __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote: Nathan, A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or something like that), then had to remove that claim from the orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim). No, BEA didn't challenge the claim. BEA refuses anyone (IBM, etc.) to publish performance specs for comparison purposes. The result was that Orion couldn't say We did this in X, and BEA did it in Y. Orion is hardly unique in this. Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major systems do not rely on open products, or semi-open products like Orion. Or Oracle... but wait, that might make the Oracle deal a win for Orion users. Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support (documentation, help desk, etc)? I've done well without it. I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart, and a dump). And usually if people know your problem, they'll get to it here, too. Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed? Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support. Heh, you haven't LOOKED at Oracle much, have you? They *already* have support networks in place... Jay At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: On a different note concerning the Oracle deal: I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could have produced all sorts of documentation that said Orion is better then Weblogic, but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle says Oracle is better then Weblogic, BEA certainly takes notice! I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying... We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single biggest threat to Java, which is performance. -LARRY ELLISON CEO, ORACLE Now, that is sweet! --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Database Pooling with Orion
Boy howdy, are you in luck. You don't need to - in data-sources.xml, Orion provides a pooled connection for you. Use that ref instead of any other. :) Hi. I was looking to setup a database pool with Orion and MySQL, just as a test. I could not find any documentation on that. If anyone was able to do this, could you please let me know. Thank you, Dan __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
RE: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS
Well, that's useful. Actually, I'm investigating the use of SOAP now (not being an anti-MS idiot^Wbigot and all) and it's pretty nice; with a decent toolkit like GLUE (http://www.themindelectric.com/) it's easy to use with Orion, fast, and cross-platform and cross-language. All pluses, if you need that kind of capability. On Thu, 24 May 2001, elephantwalker wrote: Yes...drop SOAP and use XML-RPC. Faster and lighter and NOT a Microsoft solution. www.xml-rpc.org also Brett McGlaughlin's book Java and XML. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Su, Yi Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:01 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS Hello, Does anyone knows that what Java tools, libraries are currently supporting XML schema and XLL. Is there resources for me to look up for using SOAP using Java? Thanks alot. Regards, Yeoman -Original Message- From: Vidur Dhanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:16 AM To: Orion-Interest Cc: 'Orion-Interest' Subject: Re: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS Hi Kesav, Thanks for the tip. I tried that with both 1.4.5 and 1.4.8. After removing the connection factory line, in 1.4.5, the client hangs on TopicConnection.createSubscriber(). If I give the createTopicConnection a username and password, then the server throws a NPE and the client hangs at createTopicConnection(). The same problem persists in 1.4.8. I'm sure I'm doing something really stupid. However, I have no idea how to solve it. I'm attaching some code in the hope that someone can help me out of this mess. I've tried it against 1.4.5 and 1.4.8. And I am really desperate! Thanks, Vidur Kesav Kumar wrote: Just remove the connectionfactory line from your jms.xml. Kesav Kumar Software Engineer Voquette, Inc. 650 356 3740 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.voquette.com Voquette...Delivering Sound Information -Original Message- From: Vidur Dhanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:31 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS Please help! I broke something in my code and can't figure it out. On the client, I'm consistently getting: java.lang.NullPointerException at java.io.DataOutputStream.writeUTF(DataOutputStream.java:329) at java.io.DataOutputStream.writeUTF(DataOutputStream.java:306) at com.evermind.server.jms.cj.init(JAX) at com.evermind.server.jms.b8.start(JAX) at com.epistemic.km.server.NotificationBase.getConnection(NotificationBase.java :89) at com.epistemic.km.server.NotificationBase.getSession(NotificationBase.java:10 1) at com.epistemic.km.server.NotificationBase.getSubscriber(NotificationBase.java :44) Auto-started clients can send/receive messages without trouble. getConnection() calls createTopicConnection() and then start(). If I use, createConnection (usr, pwd), then the system hangs. In jms.xml, I have: jms-server host=192.168.10.2 port=9127 topic-connection-factory host=192.168.10.2 location=jms/notificationFactory port=9127 / topic name=DWItem Notification location=jms/dwItemNotification /topic Any ideas? I'm on version 1.4.5. 1.4.8 has a regression on bug 188 that is a show stopper for us. And in fact, this code worked uptil yesterday when I made changes to try and get 1.4.8 to work. TIA, Vidur PS. If possible, please also cc me directly. I'm really desperate. -- Vidur Dhanda Active Solutions tel: 617/566-1252 cell: 617/821-7115 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.active-solutions-inc.com -- Vidur Dhanda Active Solutions tel: 617/566-1252 cell: 617/821-7115 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.active-solutions-inc.com --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
RE: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS
Installing GLUE is simple: in ./electric/webapps/glue there's a web application. Install that in Orion, and you're fairly done; see the installation docs (the usage document, in particular) for how to do it. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
RE: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS
Is it a strong use? After all, you said XML-RPC was faster and lighter - okay, granted. Then you pointed out that XML-RPC wasn't a MS solution, either - with emphasis. SOAP is also an IBM solution, yet you didn't say NOT an IBM solution - you centered on MS. Typically, that's bigotry. If I'm incorrect in my analysis, well... that's okay, it just seemed to be the connotation you were offering. On Fri, 25 May 2001, elephantwalker wrote: Joe, Using a word like 'bigot' is a little strong, there are several technical experts that have evaluated the soap standard and xml-rpc (often, you can use xml-rpc with soap), and concluded that soap is a heavy standard, versus the relatively light implementations of xml-rpc out there. So this is a considered opinion. In the end, isv's will use whatever gets us to the end of the project in the cheapest, most reliable way. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph B. Ottinger Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:08 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS Well, that's useful. Actually, I'm investigating the use of SOAP now (not being an anti-MS idiot^Wbigot and all) and it's pretty nice; with a decent toolkit like GLUE (http://www.themindelectric.com/) it's easy to use with Orion, fast, and cross-platform and cross-language. All pluses, if you need that kind of capability. On Thu, 24 May 2001, elephantwalker wrote: Yes...drop SOAP and use XML-RPC. Faster and lighter and NOT a Microsoft solution. www.xml-rpc.org also Brett McGlaughlin's book Java and XML. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Su, Yi Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:01 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS Hello, Does anyone knows that what Java tools, libraries are currently supporting XML schema and XLL. Is there resources for me to look up for using SOAP using Java? Thanks alot. Regards, Yeoman -Original Message- From: Vidur Dhanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:16 AM To: Orion-Interest Cc: 'Orion-Interest' Subject: Re: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS Hi Kesav, Thanks for the tip. I tried that with both 1.4.5 and 1.4.8. After removing the connection factory line, in 1.4.5, the client hangs on TopicConnection.createSubscriber(). If I give the createTopicConnection a username and password, then the server throws a NPE and the client hangs at createTopicConnection(). The same problem persists in 1.4.8. I'm sure I'm doing something really stupid. However, I have no idea how to solve it. I'm attaching some code in the hope that someone can help me out of this mess. I've tried it against 1.4.5 and 1.4.8. And I am really desperate! Thanks, Vidur Kesav Kumar wrote: Just remove the connectionfactory line from your jms.xml. Kesav Kumar Software Engineer Voquette, Inc. 650 356 3740 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.voquette.com Voquette...Delivering Sound Information -Original Message- From: Vidur Dhanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:31 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: HELP! 1.4.5 and JMS Please help! I broke something in my code and can't figure it out. On the client, I'm consistently getting: java.lang.NullPointerException at java.io.DataOutputStream.writeUTF(DataOutputStream.java:329) at java.io.DataOutputStream.writeUTF(DataOutputStream.java:306) at com.evermind.server.jms.cj.init(JAX) at com.evermind.server.jms.b8.start(JAX) at com.epistemic.km.server.NotificationBase.getConnection(NotificationBase.java :89) at com.epistemic.km.server.NotificationBase.getSession(NotificationBase.java:10 1) at com.epistemic.km.server.NotificationBase.getSubscriber(NotificationBase.java :44) Auto-started clients can send/receive messages without trouble. getConnection() calls createTopicConnection() and then start(). If I use, createConnection (usr, pwd), then the system hangs. In jms.xml, I have: jms-server host=192.168.10.2 port=9127 topic-connection-factory host=192.168.10.2 location=jms/notificationFactory port=9127 / topic name=DWItem Notification location=jms/dwItemNotification /topic Any ideas? I'm on version 1.4.5. 1.4.8 has a regression on bug 188 that is a show stopper for us. And in fact, this code worked uptil yesterday when I made changes to try and get 1.4.8 to work. TIA
Re: Orion is case-sensitive?
Arun: why would you want to? Certainly you are able to be specific in naming? (This is a feature, to me, not a problem...) On Wed, 23 May 2001, Arun Jayaprakash wrote: Hello everybody, Is Orion case-sensitive where web-application names are concerned? I made two entries - BenchMark and lanmark. I found that if I changed the case for the above, I would get a Page cannot be displayed error. Is there any way to turn off this case-sensitiveness? Regards, Arun Jayaprakash. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Orion and Security
Doug, you're describing something well within J2EE's role specification's capabilities; just define roles that can get to a given resource, assign users to those roles, and then store those users in a database. For a simple example, see http://adjacency.org/atm/ -- it's still being written at the moment, but it's becoming more complete daily, and already covers user security in principals.xml and the EJBUserManager. Also, www.orionsupport.com has docs on using the data-store usermanager. On Thu, 17 May 2001, Doug Pham wrote: Hi All, Customer security is the question here. Has anyone develop a security system where all the information is located in the relational database. I would like the security to be held at the application server but as we go into each restricted page, it will send the page info to the securityManager which will send back the response privileges where the page can determine from there. Basically the secuityManager is at the server level and will hold all the security information for a particular user for all the applications available for that server. Thanks Doug Pham --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Orion - Postgresql
Well, class shouldn't be ???, that's for sure... you should leave the class attribute to be the com.evermind.whatever.it.is as the default value. On Fri, 18 May 2001, Budi Prawira wrote: I've searched for it, but I cannot find one. How do I filled in the data-source.xml to connect to postgresql? fyi, I use postgresql7.0-1.2.jar. Are these correct? data-source class=??? name=Postgresql location=jdbc/PostgresqlDS xa-location=jdbc/xa/PostgresqlXADS ejb-location=jdbc/PostgresqlDS connection-driver=org.postgresql.Driver username=username password=password url=jdbc:postgresql:mydb inactivity-timeout=30 / thanks! Budi --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adjacency.org/ IT Consultant
Re: Taglib bug?
As one who's done quite a bit with taglibs on Orion, I've never seen this kind of behavior at all. Ever. Any version. (Bugs with it, sure - but that was related to tag instantiation and not location.) More information? Samples? --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://winter.ajacency.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Standar Template
Dave, why are you resending this to the Orion-Interest list? You've seen a few ways to do it - a bad suggestion to use XSLT on every page, plus SiteMesh, plus a few others. Read the responses, mmmkay? On Thu, 10 May 2001, Dave Ford wrote: I want to create a web app in which every page on the site has a standard header along the top and a standard menu along the left edge (a pretty standard thing). I came up with 2 ways of doing this: 1. Use a table tag and jsp:include tags on EVERY page: table tr tdjsp:include page=standardHeader.jsp//td /tr tr td colspan=2 table tr td valign=topjsp:include page=/menu.jsp //td td valign=top THIS IS WHERE THE PAGE-SPECIFIC CONTENT (i.e. the body)* /td /tr /table /td /tr /table 2. Invert the above solution to create one master template (or controller) and have the content page name passed in as a parameter. Here would be the master template-controller page: table tr tdjsp:include page=standardHeader.jsp//td /tr tr td colspan=2 table tr td valign=topjsp:include page=/menu.jsp //td td valign=top jsp:include page=%=request.getParameter(contentPage)% /* /td /tr /table /td /tr /table The key difference between these two architectures are best understood by looking at the 2 lines with the * at the end. Also, in option 2, there is only one copy of the above code. In option 1, there is one copy per content page Q1: Does anyone have any preference between options 1 and 2? Q2: Is there a better way of achieving this result? Q3: Do either have any negetive drawback I need to consider? (I will be converting an entire site) By the way, I'm currently achieving this effect VERY easily using good old client-side html frames. But due to popular demand, framse must go. Dave Ford Smart Soft - The Java Training Company http://www.smart-soft.com --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://winter.ajacency.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Re: RE: Simple Java Doubts
This is not a test.
If you do not heed this warning, it may happen to you.
This is not a test.
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 02:11:25PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's an evil communist lie. Please report to the nearest termination
center.
The computer is your friend!
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From: Magnus Rydin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 10. mai 2001 10:41
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: SV: Re: RE: Simple Java Doubts
THEY just informed me that the Frog is leaping through tiny blue loops.
SOMEONE tells me that the Bavarian Illuminati has teamed up with BORG and
are involved in this affair in SOME WAY.
Fnord!
-Ursprungligt meddelande-
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Skickat: den 10 maj 2001 01:03
Till: Orion-Interest
?mne: Re: Re: RE: Simple Java Doubts
Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
Johan
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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: RE: Simple Java Doubts
Santosh,
Is the original disclaimer a secret plot to own all content on the
orion list? Somehow doesn't seem appropriate.
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On response 2, if the remote client is actually a web server, the
scheme will work nicely. No polling would be necessary, an http
request would only be issued on event.
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Re: Updateing to 1.4.8
The newer releases have never been public domain. :) java -jar autoupdate.jar, man. On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:09:34PM +0200, Mark Kettner wrote: Hi All, Sorry for this very stupid message: can somebody please tell me where to download the newer releases or aren't they public domain anymore. Was looking at orionserver for an update for some time, but after 1.4.5 I couldn't update anymore. However, after looking at this mailinglist I saw that people were already using 1.4.8. I'm curious for a new version, because struts library didn't work under 1.4.5. Again, sorry to bother you all about this. -- Mark --o-o-- Mark Kettner http://www.fredhopper.com Amsterdam, The Netherlands Phone: +31 20 3206203 Mobile: +31 620 209 817 fax:+31 20 8848747 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: META HTTP-EQUIV=\refresh\ in JSP with Orion 1.4.5
Orion doesn't have any problem with this; I use something similar myself on some of my out-of-date sites. This gets sent to the browser, and it's up to the browser to deal with it - the server doesn't really do anything BUT send it. Why aren't you using sendRedirect(), if that's what you really need? You could also forward the request and save the browser round trip... On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:20:09PM -0600, Debabrata Panda wrote: We have some JSPs with META tags which work fine with Tomcat and iPlanet. But this does not seem to be working with Orion. Am I missing anything. This does not seem to call Launch.JSP when we deploy the WAR with Orion. out.println(META HTTP-EQUIV=\refresh\ CONTENT=\1; URL=Launch.jsp\ ); Any help will be appreciated ? regards Debu Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Orion-based JSP bug -- The Case of the Exhibiting %00
I've replicated this bug in Orion 0.4.8b. I want this fixed NOW, as this is a critical problem! On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:53:56PM -0500, John Pletka wrote: I can reproduct this bug on Orion 1.4.0 under win2k, Sun JDK 1.3.0 -Original Message- From: Rex McFarlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:28 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Orion-based JSP bug -- The Case of the Exhibiting %00 Can anyone help us solve a perplexing JSP bug? We have been unsuccessful. If a %00 is attached to the end of a URL (as in, http://localhost:8008/dcr/index.jsp%00 http://localhost:8008/dcr/index.jsp%00 ) to a JSP page that is being served by Orion server, the user receives, not the rendered HTML page that he or she might be expecting, but a textual output of the raw JSP code for that page. We have found this to be true with the following configuration: Orion 1.4.1 Win2K JDK1.3 Thank you, Rex McFarlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Is it possible to have Apache as Reverse Proxy (front-end) and LoadBalancer ?
Sure, it's possible. Dumb, but possible. See www.orionsupport.com for more on it. Note that we saw degradation on a massive scale - something that took 12 seconds without apache proxying took 1 minute 45 seconds with apache, in the worst case. :) On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:04:17PM +0200, Ismael wrote: Is it possible to have Apache as Reverse Proxy (front-end) and LoadBalancer at the same time.? I think that on the servers you define the front-end and they will collide. Anyone knows how to do it? -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: jsessionid errors
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 12:18:56PM -0400, David Morton wrote: anybody notice that once in a while browsers complain about the way orion encodes session ids? why doesn't the session ID get encoded like: http://www.mysite.com/mypage.jsp?arg=blahjsessionid=BEOKGFBKKKPI what are advantages and disadvantages of above compared to orions method You *really* want an application to change URLs? What if the application happens to WANT a variable called jsessionid? (That's... insane, but the possibility is still there, possibly for routing purposes?) I haven't noticed any of the browsers I use complaining, at any rate. thanks David -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Look at www.orionsupport.com?!?!
Yeah, it's AWFUL! BEA must have bought Orion... Remember, guys, orionsupport is user-supported, and it's actively developed (although sometimes that's hard to tell.) Sometimes, when a change is made to the live site, errors are made. It's the way of things. It's ALL RIGHT. Rocks are not falling from the sky; neither are frogs. A simple bug report if the error persists is fine. On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:47:19AM +0300, Lachezar Dobrev wrote: This is DEFINITELY not good! javax.servlet.jsp.JspTagException: Could not perform XSL transformation: javax.xml.transform.TransformerException: File http://my.netscape.com/publish/formats/rss-0.91.dtd; not found. at org.apache.xalan.transformer.TransformerImpl.transform(TransformerImpl.java: 640) at org.apache.xalan.transformer.TransformerImpl.transform(TransformerImpl.java: 1085) at com.opensymphony.module.tags.transform.xml.transform(xml.java:297) at com.opensymphony.module.tags.transform.xml.doEndTag(xml.java:196) at /panels/links.jsp._jspService(/usr/local/applications/orionsupport/default-w eb-app/panels/links.jsp:2)at com.orionserver.http.OrionHttpJspPage.service(JAX)at com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication.xu(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.JSPServlet.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.eb.doFilter(JAX) at com.sitemesh.filter.PageFilter.doFilter(PageFilter.java:41) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s3(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s1(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.forward(JAX) at com.sitemesh.taglib.page.PanelTag.parseExternal(PanelTag.java:169)at com.sitemesh.taglib.page.PanelTag.doEndTag(PanelTag.java:136) at /decorators/orionsupport-front.jsp._jspService(/usr/local/applications/orion support/default-web-app/decorators/orionsupport-front.jsp:78) (JSP page line 57) at com.orionserver.http.OrionHttpJspPage.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication.xu(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.JSPServlet.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.eb.doFilter(JAX) at com.sitemesh.filter.PageFilter.doFilter(PageFilter.java:41) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s3(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s1(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.forward(JAX) at com.sitemesh.filter.PageFilter.applyDecorator(PageFilter.java:110)at com.sitemesh.filter.PageFilter.doFilter(PageFilter.java:58) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s3(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s1(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.eg.s9(JAX)at com.evermind.server.http.eg.dr(JAX) at com.evermind.util.f.run(JAX) at com.opensymphony.module.tags.transform.xml.doEndTag(xml.java:205) at /panels/links.jsp._jspService(/usr/local/applications/orionsupport/default-w eb-app/panels/links.jsp:2)at com.orionserver.http.OrionHttpJspPage.service(JAX)at com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication.xu(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.JSPServlet.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.eb.doFilter(JAX) at com.sitemesh.filter.PageFilter.doFilter(PageFilter.java:41) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s3(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s1(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.forward(JAX) at com.sitemesh.taglib.page.PanelTag.parseExternal(PanelTag.java:169)at com.sitemesh.taglib.page.PanelTag.doEndTag(PanelTag.java:136) at /decorators/orionsupport-front.jsp._jspService(/usr/local/applications/orion support/default-web-app/decorators/orionsupport-front.jsp:78) (JSP page line 57) at com.orionserver.http.OrionHttpJspPage.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication.xu(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.JSPServlet.service(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.eb.doFilter(JAX) at com.sitemesh.filter.PageFilter.doFilter(PageFilter.java:41) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s3(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s1(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.forward(JAX) at com.sitemesh.filter.PageFilter.applyDecorator(PageFilter.java:110)at com.sitemesh.filter.PageFilter.doFilter(PageFilter.java:58) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s3(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.d4.s1(JAX) at com.evermind.server.http.eg.s9(JAX)at com.evermind.server.http.eg.dr(JAX) at com.evermind.util.f.run(JAX) -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Orion support company
Orion's web site is still up? Every time I go to www.orionserver.bea.com, it comes back with an error. I knew they didn't update the site often, but taking it off the web seems a bit extreme. On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:30:09PM +0200, Bernard Sauterel wrote: I wonder if somebody saw on Orion web site, that there's now an official support company: Cadrion. For me it's good news. On Mec, 25 avr 2001, Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list is DEAD? NO MAILS!??! OH NO! ORION HAS BEEN SOLD TO BEA AFTER ALL! On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:56:21PM +0200, Ismael wrote: Hi all, Is the list still running? The number of mails received have decreased to 0 !!! Are you still there?? -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Is the list dead?
The list is DEAD? NO MAILS!??! OH NO! ORION HAS BEEN SOLD TO BEA AFTER ALL! On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:56:21PM +0200, Ismael wrote: Hi all, Is the list still running? The number of mails received have decreased to 0 !!! Are you still there?? -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: .zip files and solaris
You can find unzip for Solaris; check ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/solaris/freeware, if I remember the path correctly. If you can't find it there, look for unzip at freshmeat.net and build it. On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 07:30:56AM -0700, Kemp Randy wrote: In development, I work with Orion on both Solaris and Windows 2000. But there must be an easier way of dealing with Orion and Jboss zip files. I use winzip to unzip them in Windows, and FTP the unzipped version to Solaris. Is there any third party software to unzip a zip file on solaris? Tar and tar.gz are easy. What does everyone use for Orion on solaris? I haven't addressed this question to my Unix administration folks yet, and I thought I would try here first. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: .zip files and solaris
..except he (or she!) is wrong; jar xf myzipfile.zip works FINE, although it doesn't preserve time stamps. :) Try it and see! On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 09:30:37PM +0200, Marcel Schutte wrote: That's the beauty of newsgroups and mailing lists: you can actually learn something from them. Marcel - Original Message - From: Angshuman Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: RE: .zip files and solaris That'll NEVER work for a zip -Original Message- From: Tim Endres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:17 PM To: Orion-Interest Cc: Kemp Randy Subject: Re: .zip files and solaris jar xvf file.jar In development, I work with Orion on both Solaris and Windows 2000. But there must be an easier way of dealing with Orion and Jboss zip files. I use winzip to unzip them in Windows, and FTP the unzipped version to Solaris. Is there any third party software to unzip a zip file on solaris? Tar and tar.gz are easy. What does everyone use for Orion on solaris? I haven't addressed this question to my Unix administration folks yet, and I thought I would try here first. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: What is a relavent question?
I do feel one solution would be to use a Bulletin Board instead of a mailing list. That way, the questions could be placed into categories and you wouldn't have to read a ton of email. Just my opinion If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all! :) Hmm, yes, it's Trite-Aphorisms-R-Us. At any rate, OrionSupport is undergoing a sea change at the moment to support this kind of need. -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: A Swedish Idea
Just for the sake of completeness, let's all chip in for a car to see what happens in this circumstance. Maybe we can get rid of ALL of them at once, just to see if Orion goes away THEN. Then, for the sake of yet more completeness, let's try to somehow legally eradicate all of BEA's employees, too, just to see if WebLogic disappears when its company goes away. If, in fact, employees happen to be critical to a company's survival, then we MAY have just found the key to the dot com failure model! "If you fire all your employees, your company goes away!" On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:17:30PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God forbids, what if one of them got into car accident, would there still be Orion. -- ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: A Swedish Idea
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 05:04:48PM -0600, Jay Armstrong wrote: Fair enough, Mike, but my bottom line was: Why not ... address that issue (having MySQL and Orion folks talk to each other) directly? Why? Randy had a good thought -- the Thought Police should quit stomping on it. The issue is simply whether or not MySQL and Orion should talk. :) No, because neither one is Bavarian. Actually... still no, because there's no REASON for them to. If you have such a desire, you can use MySQL with Orion. (Why such a desire exists is up to you, I suppose.) If you're talking about distributing MySQL *with* Orion, which was the original thrust, then NO, a thousand times NO, and let's add a few more to that for a total of 1004 NOs. Why? HSQL works because it's an integrated solution, for an all-Java distribution of Orion that happens to include a servicable database (for very poor values of "servicable"). MySQL, unless it's undergone a sea change to be all Java (that nobody else in the world knows about) can't do the same, so you would have the Windows Orion distribution, the Linux Orion distribution, the Solaris Orion distribution (obviously the best of them all!), etc. etc. ad nauseum. I can tell you that the Orion team wouldn't smile upon having all those builds, and neither would I - such a thing violates the whole idea behind Java. Let's keep our heads about us for once, and drop this silly "Let's bind a binary database into Orion" nonsense. Interbase - fine, if we can manage to integrate it into the same VM (and it can be done, but I'd want it transparently done). But something like Postgres or MySQL? No. -- ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: A Swedish Idea (an aside)
What's rather funny about all this is that people are mistaking a sort of anti-patriotism for racism, and MY original statements were supposed to be absurd enough that you couldn't take it for anything other than a joke. But now we see that people agree with the statements, while changing the country in question... :) Kettle, why don't you be quiet? On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 07:06:16AM -0600, Jay Armstrong wrote: Generally, I agree with the comment about Micro$oft quality of code, though I've seen some pretty horrible code from outside the US, too. :) Bill Gates may be from the US, but Micro$oft employees come from all over the world. Visit Redmond, WA, USA and you'll see for yourself. At 09:50 AM 4/19/01 +0200, you wrote: And Micro$oft programmers are from...? I suppose that the country they're from produce the shittiest code of em all :) Johan - Original Message - From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden full of lousy programmers, but they're all lousy in congruent ways just to make the rest of the world's jobs harder. I say we all start using Bavarian products, if only because Bavarian names seem to have a better vowel/consonant ratio. Say, Randy... what country are YOU from? (That's the leading indicator for quality of code...) On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:49:24AM -0500, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: Now this may be a dumb idea, and I am just thinking up brainstorms to promote Orion, but it occurred to me that both Mysql and Orion are in Sweden. Now I don't know how big Sweden is, but perhaps a meeting between the two teams could find ways to mutually promote or bridge the two products. Just a thought. Speaking of Sweden, since Rickard O. from Jboss lives there, does anyone know of Magnus or Karl have meet him? In once sense, but Jboss and Orion are trying to make this EJB technology available to more people. -- ----------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant -- ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment.
hael J. Cannon Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:24 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Fine, but OrionSupport.com is _already_ owned by Joe Co. and they are not responding (I sent them a letter and am sending another off-line). Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: productive comment. I'm all for this idea. Orionsupport is a community support effort run on a volunteer basis and I believe that it is hosted on Joseph's development machine using Orion. :) : ) :) I'd be willing to help shoulder some of the costs in moving everything over to an ISP host. There's no need for a new domain, imho... orionsupport has been very open and supportive (no pun intended). I say that we just give those good folks a nice place to put everything without tying up their resources. Community support for Orion has been excellent. The thing I'm worried about is how the Orion developers are doing... is there anything we can do to help out the guys at orionserver/ironflare? - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Cannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: productive comment. RE: How do we take the next step? A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the computer culture. orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick 'em. Don't need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest group,' as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special' circumstance or make unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning. I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted connection. I know an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run services for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and accesses through a multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a small CLEC). They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's (turn-around is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the internic). I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host costs, and, after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site on Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone better. Let's just DO IT. Anyone else want to help? Michael Cannon mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: A Swedish Idea
Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden full of lousy programmers, but they're all lousy in congruent ways just to make the rest of the world's jobs harder. I say we all start using Bavarian products, if only because Bavarian names seem to have a better vowel/consonant ratio. Say, Randy... what country are YOU from? (That's the leading indicator for quality of code...) On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:49:24AM -0500, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: Now this may be a dumb idea, and I am just thinking up brainstorms to promote Orion, but it occurred to me that both Mysql and Orion are in Sweden. Now I don't know how big Sweden is, but perhaps a meeting between the two teams could find ways to mutually promote or bridge the two products. Just a thought. Speaking of Sweden, since Rickard O. from Jboss lives there, does anyone know of Magnus or Karl have meet him? In once sense, but Jboss and Orion are trying to make this EJB technology available to more people. -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: A Swedish Idea
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:54:02AM -0400, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: I'm from the USA, near Chicago, Il. What countries lead in quality of code? I would like to know. No matter what country the product is produced in, The best country in terms of code/quality ratio is Cameroon. you might find software engineers from the USA, England, India, etc., all working on the same software product. Open source efforts like Enhydra, Tomcat, or Jboss have contributors from all around the world. It's like That explains their bugs. trying to find a car made in the USA. Parts come from Japan, it's assembled in Mexico, and marketed in the US. Orion is an exception, since they are basically a two man operation. Yet I do think the two young gentlemen did a bang up job between them. They just need help with other facets, such as documentation, marketing, and support. And even superman is part of a team called the Justice League, since he can't solve everything by himself. Let's be real: the Justice League exists so that Superman can ogle Wonder Woman. Everyone else is included just so Superman doesn't have to take out EVERY LITTLE WIMPY VILLAIN by himself. (To wit: "Oh, crap, Batman, you take that guy, he's boring for me.") -- ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: A Swedish Idea
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 06:34:09PM +0100, William Jones wrote: Would some people please just grow up. I agree! (Wait, am I included?) If you don't want to use Orion then that is your decision. Vote with your feet and leave this group to those who have valid issues to discuss. (Oh and best of luck finding anything else that is as cheap and quick) I can't type too good with my feet. Joseph: as for making racist allegations about the intellectual or programming ability of people based on their national origin, I urge you to consider the following: - Your country is governed by George W. Bush - I haven't seen your place of education, Tallahassee Community College, featuring in the honours list in the ACM International Programming Contest (c.f. http://acm.baylor.edu/past/default.htm) Yeah, and never will - unless they stop trying to teach COBOL, I suppose. (Only one class in Comp Sci taken there, and oh, the glories of EBCDIC.) Oh, wait! A couple of relevant points: 1) I didn't make any racist remarks, unless you're such an idiot as to think that Sweden is populated ONLY by Swedes, etc. etc. etc. 2) My limited college education doesn't have any relevance to the joke at hand, nor does the college at which said education took place. 3) You should learn to look up "sarcasm" in the dictionary. It's quite useful. If you already know how to look it up, or even possibly the word's meaning (I know only us college-eddicated peoples know what it meanses), then please apply said meaning to nearly everything in this thread. Thanks! :) - Original Message - From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden full of lousy programmers, but they're all lousy in congruent ways just to make the rest of the world's jobs harder. I say we all start using Bavarian products, if only because Bavarian names seem to have a better vowel/consonant ratio. Say, Randy... what country are YOU from? (That's the leading indicator for quality of code...) On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:49:24AM -0500, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: Now this may be a dumb idea, and I am just thinking up brainstorms to promote Orion, but it occurred to me that both Mysql and Orion are in Sweden. Now I don't know how big Sweden is, but perhaps a meeting between the two teams could find ways to mutually promote or bridge the two products. Just a thought. Speaking of Sweden, since Rickard O. from Jboss lives there, does anyone know of Magnus or Karl have meet him? In once sense, but Jboss and Orion are trying to make this EJB technology available to more people. -- ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant -- ----------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Is this the Orion Team?
It's an in-joke. It's really okay; the pills might help. On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 06:45:12PM +0200, Randahl Fink Isaksen wrote: Well I would not know - I have never met him... I wonder what makes you able to make that king of comparison... R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman Sent: 17. april 2001 16:18 To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Is this the Orion Team? And what a lovely picture it is. PS Anyone notice how one of them looks likeSatan? On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: If you go to the Swedish newspaper site, there is a picture of the developers. -Original Message- From: Johan Fredriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:09 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Is this the Orion Team? Yes - Original Message - From: "Kemp Randy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:32 AM Subject: Is this the Orion Team? Some digging though the.serverside.com, at the link http://www2.theserverside.com/reviews/thread.jsp?thread_id=165, uncovered this. Posted By: Per Norrman on November 3, 2000 in response to this message. A couple of weeks ago, the Orion team was featured in Dagens Nyheter, the largest swedish newspaper. Learn swedish, then read this article: http://www.dn.se/DNet/dyn/Crosslink.dyn?d=408a=135807f=huvudtext.htmlt=2; v=0 In short, the Orion team consists of two guys, 22 and 24 years old, working from an apartment in Eskilstuna, Sweden. The article mentiones that they spent about two years and approx 14 000 programming hours before their first order. However, that implies constantly working more than 19 hours a day for two years Also, they have refused venture capital and and other offers, on the grounds that it would limit their freedom of doing things their own way. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: productive comment.
Um... a few clarifications. 1) Orionsupport.com as a domain is not owned by me. 2) the domain's content is currently hosted by my development machine. 3) Since I'm such a nice guy,and very reticent in my views, I get attacked on a semi-regular basis by kidz, and the box isn't exactly noncrufty to begin with, so sometimes availability is an issue. 4) No-one pays for it, except me (and a few others,who spend time keeping it up.) 5) I'm working on continuing development; I want to add a forum set, as well as organize a mechanism by which I can be remunerated for my effort and time spent on it. That includes a more stable machine, and no - I'm not trying to position myself as the sole support for orion. By "remuneration," I mean a setup by which everyone who offers support can be rewarded. (And what's more, I want peace on earth, swords beaten into radioactive ploughshares, etc.) BTW, orionsupport is back up; it had a, um, small problem with kernel threads. On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 07:24:20PM -0500, Michael J. Cannon wrote: Fine, but OrionSupport.com is _already_ owned by Joe Co. and they are not responding (I sent them a letter and am sending another off-line). Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: productive comment. I'm all for this idea. Orionsupport is a community support effort run on a volunteer basis and I believe that it is hosted on Joseph's development machine using Orion. :) : ) :) I'd be willing to help shoulder some of the costs in moving everything over to an ISP host. There's no need for a new domain, imho... orionsupport has been very open and supportive (no pun intended). I say that we just give those good folks a nice place to put everything without tying up their resources. Community support for Orion has been excellent. The thing I'm worried about is how the Orion developers are doing... is there anything we can do to help out the guys at orionserver/ironflare? - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Cannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: productive comment. RE: How do we take the next step? A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the computer culture. orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick 'em. Don't need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest group,' as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special' circumstance or make unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning. I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted connection. I know an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run services for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and accesses through a multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a small CLEC). They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's (turn-around is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the internic). I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host costs, and, after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site on Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone better. Let's just DO IT. Anyone else want to help? Michael Cannon mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ----------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: JBoss verses Orion
Yes, the amount of charitable contributions made by the Orion team is of the highest importance to me, too. And whether they supported Bush or Gore in Florida. And whether their favorite color is blue - if it's not, then I HATE ORION! (And if it is, then why does their web site use red so much?) Technical issues are over-rated in technical fields, if you ask me. (On the other hand, I can think of a few VERY good reasons JBoss' performance was lower than Orion's - no explanation was made of the specific setup.) On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 09:37:31AM -0600, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: Orion is definitely ahead of Jboss technically, but Jboss has more people behind it, as far as development and debugging goes. With Jboss, you can get a profile of the founders and board members. It would be nice to have the same profile of some of the Orion founders and developers, so we can know them a bit more personally. Jboss has the potential to catch up to Orion, given the number of people involved on the project. So Orion needs to keep in the technical groove, so to speak. Remember the story of the Turtle and the rabbit race? -Original Message- From: Fink, Paul To: Orion-Interest Sent: 3/30/01 2:52 PM Subject: JBoss verses Orion I ported our Orion application to JBoss. I love JBoss for usability, documentation and support. Unfortunately our application is very performance dependent the JBoss version ran very slow. After playing with cache setting, etc. It seemed like the communications was the main bottle neck. To test this I wrote a simple session bean with one get method that returns a Long. The client looped 10,000 times calling the getter. The Orion version was 6 times faster! Other tests we ran had Orion running 4x faster. It seems that JBoss certainly is performance limited. I'm running on a 900 MHz PIII under Linux with Sun's JDK 1.3 Paul Fink -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: JBoss verses Orion
Am I curious? Sure! /me types for a bit... Oh good, I just found out all I need to know. Or want to know. Or have a right to know. That's a double-edged quip- I talk to Karl all the time, really. Even if I didn't, the point's made - it doesn't matter if I know who Karl is in order for me to use his product. (And we all know Karl wrote most of Orion at any rate, he and Elin.) To address a more relevant point - you can certainly find times on OI when the authors really do answer questions, usually correctly. However, they have more important things to do - OI is a user forum, just like orionsupport.com is. It's not their job to keep OI in line. (Unless we want to subsidize them. Do you?) On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:59:37AM -0500, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: But wouldn't you be just a bit curious to know more about Karl, or more importantly, who the founding members of Ironflare are? I would. If you go to visit the Resin site (www.caucho.com), which is a commercial site, somewhere there is a blurb about Scott, the key architect. And I have noticed that Scott is actively answering questions in the Resin mailing list, and Rickard and Marc are actively answering questions in the Jboss mailing list, both on a regular basic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:40 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: JBoss verses Orion Yes, the amount of charitable contributions made by the Orion team is of the highest importance to me, too. And whether they supported Bush or Gore in Florida. And whether their favorite color is blue - if it's not, then I HATE ORION! (And if it is, then why does their web site use red so much?) Technical issues are over-rated in technical fields, if you ask me. (On the other hand, I can think of a few VERY good reasons JBoss' performance was lower than Orion's - no explanation was made of the specific setup.) On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 09:37:31AM -0600, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: Orion is definitely ahead of Jboss technically, but Jboss has more people behind it, as far as development and debugging goes. With Jboss, you can get a profile of the founders and board members. It would be nice to have the same profile of some of the Orion founders and developers, so we can know them a bit more personally. Jboss has the potential to catch up to Orion, given the number of people involved on the project. So Orion needs to keep in the technical groove, so to speak. Remember the story of the Turtle and the rabbit race? -Original Message- From: Fink, Paul To: Orion-Interest Sent: 3/30/01 2:52 PM Subject: JBoss verses Orion I ported our Orion application to JBoss. I love JBoss for usability, documentation and support. Unfortunately our application is very performance dependent the JBoss version ran very slow. After playing with cache setting, etc. It seemed like the communications was the main bottle neck. To test this I wrote a simple session bean with one get method that returns a Long. The client looped 10,000 times calling the getter. The Orion version was 6 times faster! Other tests we ran had Orion running 4x faster. It seems that JBoss certainly is performance limited. I'm running on a 900 MHz PIII under Linux with Sun's JDK 1.3 Paul Fink -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: How to set orion to perform a timely task.. (CRON???)
Sure you can. * * * * * lynx --dump http://myhost/hiteveryminute.jsp /dev/null This submits something to hiteveryminute.jsp every, um, minute. On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Robert S. Sfeir wrote: Someone suggesting hitting a JSP with a cron... how can you hit a URL with a CRON or AT command, I didn't think you could do that! Perhaps I misunderstood the explanation? R Robert S. Sfeir Director of Software Development PERCEPTICON corporation San Francisco, CA 94123 w - http://www.percepticon.com/ e- [EMAIL PROTECTED] t - (415) 749-2900 x205 --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: FAQ-O-MATIC (was: EJB Clustering -- ANYONE? [Urgent!])
It sort of has one... :) And I've installed faq-o-matic before - it kinda bites. On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Tim Endres wrote: More than anything else, though, I think Orion needs a FAQ-O-MATIC. Seconded! --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Applets in J2EE Presentation Layer
On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Jay Abraham wrote: A few months ago there was a spirited discussion about the possible demise of the applet wrt to J2EE application development. I'm unable to find this thread in the archives. Does anyone have any link to it? I don't, not offhand, but I can see the logic. However, there's no need for J2EE, if applets are dying; they're a neato gadget whose time has largely come and gone, IMHO. Great for *very* vertical applications, lousy for everything else. (And yes, online games are "vertical apps," because the users are generally willing to do what's necessary to get them to run.) Also, is there anyone who is currently using, or has previously successfully used, applets in a production orion application? I would appreciate knowing your experiences. I've used them; the #java faq (http://epesh.com/java) has references to at least one applet in it; orion has no bearing on applets in the general case. The exception, of course, is the applet that uses JNDI to locate things: don't do this. An applet like that is wayyy too heavy. ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Using Log4j With Orion
http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/ On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Steven Gardell wrote: And could someone provide a valid pointer to Log4j proper? Can't seem to get to it at IBM's web site. Thanks --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Orion doesn't work.
See below... On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Geoff Marshall wrote: I've surfed and surfed, and can't find any info on the problem I'm having. HELP! All brand new: Red Hat Linux v7, Sun J2EE 1.2.1, Sun JDK1.3, Orion 1.4.5 [geoff@daphne orion]$cd /usr/local/orion [geoff@daphne orion]$ java -jar orion.jar java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/evermind/gui/server/ServiceConsole at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:native) at kaffe.jar.ExecJarName.main(ExecJarName.java:70) at kaffe.jar.ExecJar.main(ExecJar.java:59) Whoops! kaffe.jar... ouch! Kaffe isn't a JVM that can run Orion. You'll have to get either blackdown, IBM, or Sun. Obviously, I'm missing some class, but where/what is it? The JDK/SDK seems to be working fine i.e. I can compile and run java applications, etc. Does some .jar file need to be expanded??? HELP! -- -Geoff Marshall, Director of Development ... t e r r a s c o p e (415) 951-4944 54 Mint Street, Suite 110 direct (415) 625-0349 San Francisco, CA 94103 fax (415) 625-0306 ... --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: ms access Orion?
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: I am sure, at one point in time, the same was true with Apache. But now that the kid has grown up, look where it is today. Which is why I Yeah, look where apache is today - used everywhere by people who don't need it to do much, which fits its capabilities really well. make a big distinction between a plain open source, and a mature open source. Things like Apache, Linux, Mysql, and Postgresql are mature open source -- partly due to the fact that they been around for a number of years. Projects like Orion, Resin, Jboss, Tomcat, Enhydra, They've been around for a number of years, meaning "for a while" - 0 is a number, too, after all - and maturity always comes with age. Unfortunately, quality doesn't. Openejb, and Jonas have the potential to become mature open source (yes, Orion is not open - piety), some more then others (like Jboss, Tomcat, and Openejb) and they probably will be. People ask, for Why do you say "pity?" (I'm assuming you don't mean "piety" here.) Why should it be open source? Do you think you can apply patches faster than the Orion team? (I don't think I could, nor do I think you could.) Do you think you understand what the spec is well enough? Do you think you have the discipline to keep to the spec even when it's retarded? I don't think most people are. (I know that I'd be vastly tempted to fix the Servlet API...) And do you REALLY think that the Orion team - which enjoys development more than support - should be forced to change their chosen business model just because YOU think YOU could do better with THEIR source than THEY can? They enjoy what they're doing and how they're doing it, and their model fits them. Going open source means that they get relegated to supplying services only, which may indeed be profitable, but is profit the only motive? (I say no, because if it were, they'd sell Orion for more money.) [SNIP!] Personally, I certainly benefit from open source, but realistically... it's not always the perfect solution. ----------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Last posting
Hi, Cliff. I don't remember what it was; honestly, remember that this is a voluntary forum, and as such, sometimes things get overlooked. There's no monitor saying "Someone needs to acknowledge poster XYZ." We try to be helpful - people here do a LOT, if you ask me - but sometimes things happen. A professional following, sure, but not one that's responsible for professional support. What did you need? On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Cliff Rowley wrote: Pardon me if I sound a little rude, but since not a single person has even acknowledged my last post, do I assume that (a) noone cares or (b) noone knows? I am very keen to get started, and very keen to evaluate the various avenues open to us, and I had expected a commercial application to have a reasonably professional following. Perhaps I was mistaken and I should look elsewhere? Cliff Rowley ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: Last posting
Cliff, being cynical... it doesn't matter to us. If you think that a user community is reponsible for your issues, that's great! You're in deep trouble, and you're just going to get stuck with a less efficient platform. No skin off of our noses - we'll have competitive advantages. Pointless postings? We've been talking about something near and dear to our hearts - how Orion is looking at the FUTURE, not just how it looks at one developer who's gotten himself into a crack. Maybe the future's more important to us than someone who landed himself in a lot of pressure. I feel for you - sort of - in that I'm the sole provider for my family, too, and I have the burden of making sure that the user support you bitch about so much is, in fact, available. Do I cry? Do I whine? (Yes, but that's irrelevant.) Do I let the positions of others affect objective evaluation? Do I expect a set of volunteers with their own problems to pay attention to me me me me me ME ME ME [ME] [ME] [ME DAMMIT ME]? Grow up, dude. On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Cliff Rowley wrote: Thankyou for making our decision for us. Orion will not be our choice of J2EE platform, as our evaluation has shown that its users are rude and obnoxious. We have decided that it would not be in our best interest to be associated with people of this nature. Whilst everyone is flustering over rather pointless postings (as is my observation over the last couple of days), real potential Orion customers are being turned away by its self obsessed (and somewhat childish) user group. I asked a question, and was ignored. It was quite obvious from my question that I am under a fair amount of pressure, and I had (wrongly) presumed that a commercial application server would have a reasonably professional following. Let me also point out that it was not arrogance, it was a cry for help. I currently close to redundancy, I have a wife who is 6 months pregnant, and I have a 2 year old daughter. Forgive me for appearing a little stressed as I try to feed and clothe them, but it was not something I had wished to share. But I guess you wouldnt care, seeing as you're a typical newsgroup/mailing list troll - we've seen you before, in various forms, under various names. Always the one to jump on the weak whenever the opportunity arises. And you have the cheek to call me arrogant? You're forgotten about already. . o O ( Wonders where the 'human' element dissapeared to in all of this - bring back the old Internet ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Cannon-Brookes Sent: 15 February 2001 01:27 To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Last posting This is one of the most arrogant postings I've ever seen on a public user mailing list. rant Cliff, might I profer my humblest apologies for not acknowledging your post, I'll make sure next time to send you an email saying that I got it. Right. In addition, I agree that not answering YOUR query calls into question the professionalism of everyone on this list. You are not mistaken at all. You are a fool. /rant -mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cliff Rowley Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:58 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Last posting -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pardon me if I sound a little rude, but since not a single person has even acknowledged my last post, do I assume that (a) noone cares or (b) noone knows? I am very keen to get started, and very keen to evaluate the various avenues open to us, and I had expected a commercial application to have a reasonably professional following. Perhaps I was mistaken and I should look elsewhere? Cliff Rowley -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBOosbgApjs58+bOhlEQKwigCgnaxMsVQAHoiFpkfbNk48fqTDWXsAoMNy HxbYNGGXjPNB/neGWBPbq8yf =RK40 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Deploy question...
Of course, IIS is also using fundamentally different technology with fundamentally different approach. For me, application deployment is absurdly simple: I drop in a file, create a mapping to the application, then point a url to the application, and it works. Oh, wait, that's pretty much what you said, too. On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That aint no stupid question, Orion application deployment has been very difficult for me. It's not like IIS where you create your virtual directory and drop in your files accordingly, map it to an ip and it works! S --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: Any news from Orion yet??
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Rabi Satter wrote: As a former trainer I can understand exactly what Kevin is trying to say. That is when you do training you need a platform for the students to learn. In the case of EJB you don't say gee here is how it should work and have a nice day. You say here is how it works and now lets have you build an example. The spec does not help you and your students build a "working" example. You need an app server. Sure, there's no doubt here - and this also exposes the trainees to the various roles, and that's INCREDIBLY useful as long as it's done properly. One of the biggest difficulties you have with deployment is when an application or EJB developer doesn't understand the roles of the deployer, and gets caught up in deployment issues during development and vice versa. As for the cost at $1500 a pop per workstation and a typical training room of 15 workstations plus trainer workstation that is $24,000 not including cost of hardware and other software to support training people on EJB like JBuilder. JBuilder Enterprise is $2999 and you can see that a training room can quickly become an expensive proposition without aid from the vendor. I have not even begun to add the cost of developing courseware and instructors. Whoa, here... maybe I'm offbase, but a *training* environment is NOT commercial deployment, which means that you'd have to get NO orion licenses. Don't take my word on it, as I'm not an Orion representative, but that's my understanding... there's no need to pony up cash just to have a development version sitting on each desk. (Can't help you with JBuilder Enterprise.) Regardless, what is more disheartening is the lack of response from Orion. Quite frankly the fast way to become the number one app server is by training people. Those people then become your main sales force and with little or no cost to the company. From what I understand, they're very interested in seeing this happen, but you DO have to understand the resource issue from their side. I personally think there's a huge business opportunity here, either through partnership or simply knowledge, for supporting Orion and thus, J2EE as a viable deployment platform. -Original Message- From: Kevin Duffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:41 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? I am sorry, but I don't quite understand how training of EJB on Orion is any different than that of other platforms? You are trainging EJB, not the vendor application server. EJB is EJB, no matter what platform it runs on. If every vendor adhered to the spec as they should, an EJB will run on any app server. Also, are you providing an online service that teaches over the internet and you need Orion to run that site? Or do you have in-class instruction and each person in the class needs to use Orion? I am unclear as to why you only need one license? Orion is free to use for all purposes other than production use. I am not sure that an inclass training counts for production use or not. I am still stumped on why it is you need Orion specific EJB training. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:41 PM To: Orion-Interest Cc: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? All, Running a training program for EJB's gives me a different perspective when dealing with EJB application vendors like Orion. My experience is that they (expensive vendors like BEA ) offer institutions like mine free licences and trainers in the hopes that newly educated programmers would evangelize their products. I have repeatedly asked for assistance in training engineers in EJB's using the Orion product. They have refused to answer. All we ask is that they provide us with a single license so that we may set up an interactive training site for distance education for a "Java and the Internet Course". If they truly wish to educate java-programers in Orion, you'd think they'd jump at this. We charge no money for training, and we benefit the independant learner in the ways of programming EJB's with Orion. This course is open to all, but Orion's lack of response means none of us can gain from it. If you would like to learn more about the mystery of EJB'S, LET ORION KNOW. We need your help. Mike Van C.E.O. JUGerNaut ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
le behind them. 5. Enhydra enterprise (www.enhydra.org). If you like the enhydra application server, this product has potential. But it is not production ready yet and it intergrates with the jonas server. In summary, Orion is here now but can it run Sears? Jboss is ready but I would let it mature a bit more for production environments. Openejb and Enhydra have great potential, but they are not ready yet and have to prove themselves. Jonas is OK but I prefer the other open source alternatives. -Original Message- From: Anthony W. Marino To: Orion-Interest Sent: 2/11/01 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet?? On another note, can you and/or someone, qualify/quantify what you mean by the following previously made statement : "For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the speed is stil EXCELLENT." ? In the Apache Tomcat list I asked the following question: "Can someone suggest to me what Apache and/or other OpenSource products could be integrated to compete with functionally and/or considered in the same category as BEA WebLogic? I don't necessarily need all of what BEA has to offer at this time, however, I would like to know, generally, what it would take to get there without the big $ price tag." Thank You, Anthony On Monday 15 January 2001 15:20, you wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote: WL6 has support for EARs. They also support all of the EJB 2.0 spec except for dependent objects. In fact, I am currently using WL6 for development instead of Orion, due to the apparent lack of development going on in the Orion team on EJB 2.0. I had suggested to my boss that we use Orion, as I had been lurking and following it for several months, and saw that it always met the latest specs first, etc. - now I feel dumb for doing so, as they haven't had a new release in several months... Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had a new release for several months, either. They've just had a major release recently, which makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the situation at present. For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking forward to a new round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to shake out before I abandon ship. -Original Message- From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet?? Hi kevin, As far as i have known WL5.1 or , there is no concept of ear files, does 6.0 include that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR = WAR + JAR + CAR(or JAR)? To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while deploying on WLS, i have to unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is contrary to the essence of packaging the ear files, Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties frustrates one and all. Is that true with all WLS users? Orion is a neat impl of J2EE, is WLS6.0? Regards, Santosh. - Original Message - From: Kevin Duffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6 looks nice. It is easy to work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best. JBoss looks very interesting as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM To: Orion-Interest Cc: Orion-Interest Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet?? Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news update Orion ... We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next few weeks if everything is ok Cheers Neville Burnell Business Manager Software -Original Message- From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Any news from Orion yet?? Hi all, Has anyone heard from the team lately? I know I saw a post about a month or so ago. Its been about 3 or 4 months since anything has changed on their site, if not longer and now its getting me worried. I can understand them trying to organize the company, but did production stop on the app server? I wish there was some news once every couple of weeks or so from them on their site letting us know what is happening. Thanks. -
Re: EJB Deployment without packaging
I have a bunch of links: see http://epesh.com/. (Sorry, innate sarcasm took over.) For RELEVANT links, see http://www.orionserver.com/docs/, look for "application.xml" -- the only difference between an ejb module that's jarred and one that's not is that the reference specifies ".jar". To wit: !-- jarred EJB -- module ejbmyEJB.jar/ejb /module !-- directory structure in $APP/otherejb/ -- module ejbotherejb/ejb /module On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Phan Anh Tran wrote: Do you have a link? Thanks. Anh - Original Message ----- From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Re: EJB Deployment without packaging Yes, very much so. On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Phan Anh Tran wrote: Is it possible to deploy EJBs without packing them into ejb and .ear files with orion? Thanks. Anh ----------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: A thank you to Orion from the Annapolis Java User Group
(depending on demand) J2ME (the vm used on embedded systems) Java Security API (14 weeks) All courses use peer instruction (the students use books and a syllabus to guide them as they study the topics together) and all courses are free to partipants. Additionally, we are rolling out a new legal-referral plan to all members that will help to ensure they will never be "stiffed" on a contract again. Please contact me for more information. ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Problems with a finder method in a cmp
You'll want to use $1 in the finder method, and specify "%"+name+"%" in
the finder call. Hmm, that didn't sound right... let's try again.
String findByName_query = "people.name like '$1'";
..
List myList=person.findByName("%"+name+"%");
It could be that EQL will address this; I don't know.
On Thu, 8 Feb 2001, fresnaULL wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to define this finder method in a cmp:
SELECT * FROM people
WHERE people.name LIKE '%name%'
which is correct in SQL SERVER 7.0
I put the following in the people home interface:
String findByName_query = "people.name like '%$1%'";
.
.
.
public java.util.Enumeration findByName(String value) throws
java.rmi.RemoteException, javax.ejb.FinderException;
but it doesn't work. Orion is able to deploy the cmp but when I try to use
it I only get this
error message:
500 Internal Server Error
java.lang.NullPointerException
at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcPreparedStatement.clearParameter(Unknown Source)
at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcPreparedStatement.setChar(Unknown Source)
at sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcPreparedStatement.setString(Unknown Source)
at com.evermind.sql.am.setString(JAX)
at com.evermind.sql.am.setString(JAX)
at
PeopleHome_EntityHomeWrapper72.findByName(PeopleHome_EntityHomeWrapper72.jav
a:1142)
at Search.doGet(Search.java:46)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java)
at com.evermind.server.http.d1.si(JAX)
at com.evermind.server.http.d1.forward(JAX)
at com.evermind.server.http.ed.sp(JAX)
at com.evermind.server.http.ed.so(JAX)
at com.evermind.util.f.run(JAX)
Does anybody know how i can make it work?
Thanks in advance
-------
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Re: EJB Deployment without packaging
Yes, very much so. On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Phan Anh Tran wrote: Is it possible to deploy EJBs without packing them into ejb and .ear files with orion? Thanks. Anh --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: message-driven beans from a topic
How do you make it "kill itself?" On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Russ White wrote: This is a serious hack, but... Make your bean kill itself when it responds to a message. Sometimes all you have is the suicide solution. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:12 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: message-driven beans from a topic I've got a message-driven bean listening to a topic. (Yes, I know, queues would be better, but the queue/message driven mechanism has a problem, last I checked.) However, every message causes a new instantiation of a message-driven bean... and since it's a topic, it's feeding the message to every listener, which means the second message going through the topic gets processed TWICE (once by each instantiated bean), the third gets processed three times, etc. Is there a workaround? I normally dislike workarounds, but this is currently just for a dog and pony show coming up. The beans are simple; I've included one example (does nothing worthwhile.) ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: getServletContext() in JSP
Sure it does. % ServletContext context=request.getServletContext(); % works fine. On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Romen Law wrote: ello, I recently downloaded orion and tried my web app with it, it failed straight away because it does not recognise the method getServletContext(). I have developed my app using Tomcat and it worked fine. Is there a way to get around this in Orion? cheers romen IT Architect, Business And Data Services IBM GSA TEL: 612-84484716 FAX: 612-84484008 TIE: 84716 --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: JMS
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that true that the only message queue servers in existence which support JMS are IBM's MQ Series and Forte's Java Message Queue? Any other vendors? Um, no. Far from it. Some JMS systems, including the ones you mentioned: MQSeries (http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ts/mqseries/) SonicMQ (http://www.progress.com/sonicmq/) FioranoMQ (http://www.fiorano.com/) BEA's message queue (http://www.bea.com/) OpenJMS (http://www.openjms.org/) SwiftMQ (http://www.swiftmq.com/) Sun's JMS (http://http://www.sun.com/forte/jmq/index.html) Softwired iBus (http://www.softwired-inc.com/) I'm sure there are more. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: Any news from Orion yet??
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Juan Lorandi (Chile) wrote: JoeO, I'm going to talk you in a way that may bother you... Nah, I'm hard to ruffle. flamebait DON'T STAND FOR IRONFLARE... they may or may not be rightfully accussed, but assuming their defense without being a part of the company hurts them, because they seem to have run out of reasons; almost look like awaiting the best offer... And it hurts us, because with each reply that doesn't come from them, our positions grow weaker and you'll start to see an awful lot of them unsubscribe messages /flamebait Why is that flamebait? I'm not a virulent supporter; I use Orion because (right now) it still supports what I need best and the bugs I know of aren't so severe that I can't work around. There are a LOT of features in Orion that simply rock compared to other app servers. That hasn't changed. Our positions aren't growing weaker, unless you count defections as strength in only one fashion. People leaving Orion behind doesn't really affect me, other than changing the user base somewhat. As far as "strength" is concerned, Ironflare is at the point where (IMHO) they could use our support and understanding as a lever to become more responsive (again) more than they could use a tide of negative email. As far as unsubscribe messages, people who aren't quite smart enough to unsubscribe from mailing lists shouldn't be on them to begin with. "usubscribe," "unsubcribe," bah! That's not even the normal way to unsubscribe as it is. I love Orion, but I regret to say I don't trust it any further than I can throw it I don't *love* Orion, but I use what works best for me. So far, it's still Orion (I say that as I'm eyeing the WL6 installation on this box...) JP -Original Message- From: Joseph B. Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Lunes, 15 de Enero de 2001 12:21 To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote: WL6 has support for EARs. They also support all of the EJB 2.0 spec except for dependent objects. In fact, I am currently using WL6 for development instead of Orion, due to the apparent lack of development going on in the Orion team on EJB 2.0. I had suggested to my boss that we use Orion, as I had been lurking and following it for several months, and saw that it always met the latest specs first, etc. - now I feel dumb for doing so, as they haven't had a new release in several months... Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had a new release for several months, either. They've just had a major release recently, which makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the situation at present. For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking forward to a new round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to shake out before I abandon ship. -Original Message- From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet?? Hi kevin, As far as i have known WL5.1 or , there is no concept of ear files, does 6.0 include that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR = WAR + JAR + CAR(or JAR)? To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while deploying on WLS, i have to unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is contrary to the essence of packaging the ear files, Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties frustrates one and all. Is that true with all WLS users? Orion is a neat impl of J2EE, is WLS6.0? Regards, Santosh. - Original Message - From: Kevin Duffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6 looks nice. It is easy to work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best. JBoss looks very interesting as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM To: Orion-Interest Cc: Orion-Interest Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet?? Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news update Orion ... We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next few weeks if everything is ok Cheers Neville Burnell Business Manager Software -Original Message- From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Any news from Orion yet?? Hi all, Has anyone heard from the team lately? I kn
Re: orionsupport website
You can mirror it if you'd like, but it's dynamically-generated. On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Stan Ng wrote: Is orionsupport.com a static website? If so, I wouldn't mind mirroring it. I'm not sure what we would need to do to keep things synced up, but if I can get permission and a copy of the site, I'd be happy to try it out. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: Orion-Primer needs some update
Go to the subscription page on www.orionserver.com; it has a toggle to unsubscribe. On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Valentijn Scholten wrote: how the fuck can i unsubscribe this fucking maillist. i tried twice to mail unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED], doesn't work, no response, nothing. help?! -Original Message- From: Christian Sell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:46 To: Orion-Interest Subject:Re: Orion-Primer needs some update AFAIK some stuff got deprecated (e.g. copydir, deltree). 1.1 files should run, however. Just did a migration for my own project - Original Message - From: "Ronald Hatcher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: RE: Orion-Primer needs some update I thinnk you will find that the build.xml format has changed from 1.1 to 1.2 I seem to remember having to change the copy src/desc/ instructions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of trang le Sent: 11 January 2001 05:39 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Orion-Primer needs some update Ant1.2 works fine with Orion-primer. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Orion-Primer needs some update Dear All Somehow I found that Orion-Primer at http://www.znerd.demon.nl/orion-primer/ is a little bit obsolete. The demo codes demand Ant 1.1 to build them, which is no longer available since the release of Ant 1.2. In this case people like me will have no easy way to build the ear file. Could someone be kind enough to update it, or tell me how to work around? Best regards Lynch ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: JSP vs Servlet
Well, Ernst did a fine job, but it'd be better if he'd done those things in XML... *runs* Anyway, IMHO adding a methodology on top of the purpose of the article - showing the CMP stuff - would have been yet more to learn. I'm of the opinion that something like that needs to show off one aspect of the technology rather than all aspects, so MVC - while useful - would have been yet another thing to track. BTW, Ernst *is* in the process of writing a DTD for the primers. :) On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Fyffe Carl wrote: I went to jollem.com and read the CMP Primer. Good read. But it got me thinking about a topic that concerns most people that are in large development groups. Seperation of code and html. Proper MVC calls for the code to be in the controller while there is little code in the view portion of the application. This allows the designers to design and the coders to code. Were the rules broken for convience or has a new methodology taken over? It seems to me that the CMP Primer would have been easier to read and understand if MVC had been used. This one short coming can easily overlooked to find a gem of an article. Are there other primers of jollem.com's caliber? What are some useful URL's that you guys used to get started. --Carl --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Message-driven beans get attached to queues HOW?
I've been playing around with developing my own queue consumer, and I'm stuck trying to figure out how to tell the EJB that it's listening to controllerQueue. In BEA it's in the server-specific deployment file; I've looked at the ATM example for a corresponding entry in orion-ejb-jar.xml with no luck. Does anyone else know the format of this XML stanza? --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: EJB generator
It's okay, but makes building via ANT or whatever a bit more of a pain, because of yet more classpath issues. On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: I have been playing with the EJB generator at http://www.nordija.com (EJB builder) and it looks pretty good. Has anyone else used it? --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: OrionSupport
Chris, we're willing to accept nearly anything relevant, so whatever niche you can fill is fine by me. Thank you! On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Chris Bartling wrote: Joseph, I would be interested in contributing to orionsupport. I've been using Orion as more of a learning tool (I have experiences with Sybase EAServer and I'm just starting a gig using iPlanet's App Server). One thing that I'd like to see with orionsupport is conversations/reviews/etc. which are recorded, much in the same way as Slashdot and theserverside.com. Anyhoo, let me know how I can get involved. I would like to write up some stuff on the various deployment descriptors involved in using J2EE and Orion specifically and using Apache Ant and EJBDoclet to construct and build EJBs for Orion. -- chris -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph B. Ottinger Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 7:17 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: OrionSupport A week or so ago, I posted a new document to OrionSupport: http://www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision.html In this, titled "In the Future," I try to address what I see OrionSupport being, and what facilities I'd like it to provide. This is a community effort; in addition to lack of knowledge, I've a severe lack of time, but not will. However, this would be a LOT easier to see happen if I had specific input and contributions from you, the Orion community. If you've expertise in one of the areas mentioned, please let me know. I need code as well as contributions; code that doubles as a contribution to the site content is best, since that's more or less the modus operandi I see for OrionSupport (i.e., "Here's how you do X -- and we know it works, because OrionSupport uses it in exactly this way.") Please let me know what you'd like to see, as well. ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Stress orion = servlet engine failed arround 200 users
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Marcus Ahnve wrote: happy-customer While I'm at it I might as well recommend PureLoad from InnovativeIT. Excellent tool with a nice pricetag - much like Orion. /happy-customer It's always nice to see these! What URL? (I've been looking into a better tool than httpbench myself, and I'm writing something simple... but if someone else has done it, I'll be happy to use their tools instead. JMeter's not able to measure finely enough, httpbench only hits one URL, MS's web stress tool doesn't work, another tool mentioned here requires admin access on NT to install...) --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: How to put a internet page to a file.
This has virtually nothing to do with Orion. However, you can do this in a LOT of ways: "Save As" from your browser, you can use various mirroring tools, you could even use a URLConnection from java.net.* and use one of the java.io classes to write it to your local filesystem... as well as a thousand other ways. On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, cgreen wrote: Hi,all: I want to read a internet page(e:http://www.microsoft.com/) and put the page to a file(e: c:/temp.txt). How to do ? Thanks very much! cgreen ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
OrionSupport
A week or so ago, I posted a new document to OrionSupport: http://www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision.html In this, titled "In the Future," I try to address what I see OrionSupport being, and what facilities I'd like it to provide. This is a community effort; in addition to lack of knowledge, I've a severe lack of time, but not will. However, this would be a LOT easier to see happen if I had specific input and contributions from you, the Orion community. If you've expertise in one of the areas mentioned, please let me know. I need code as well as contributions; code that doubles as a contribution to the site content is best, since that's more or less the modus operandi I see for OrionSupport (i.e., "Here's how you do X -- and we know it works, because OrionSupport uses it in exactly this way.") Please let me know what you'd like to see, as well. ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: to boldly go where no man has gone before
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Juan Lorandi (Chile) wrote: flamebait I've been reading all those neat messages about lack of english proficcency and I'd like to point out that more than half the members of Orion-Interest's native language isn't english... After all, orion itself is swedish... And being non-english, I really dislike any discriminating comments... It's a wide world and we all have to be tolerant... /flamebait Personally, I think all you non-US people need to get with the program and immigrate. Everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - knows that English is the best language out there. That's why, for example, the Bible was written in English. offtopicYes, I know, I'm getting sarcastic. But still! There's a fine point here - we could all use a lot less Instant Reaction and leave such concepts to our servers. /offtopic --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: to boldly go where no man has gone before
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Ervin Jakab wrote: Dear list members, snip! I apologize for my bad English and for wasting your precious time, oh, you Developer Gods! Apology not accepted. I've scheduled you an appointment with a really terrible masseur (he has six fingers and one nail is three inches long) as punishment. However... your point is still quite valid. Come on, guys, drop the issue. I understood the original poster well enough that if I'd have had sufficient time and motivation I could have answered him; I'd be surprised to find that I'm unique in this. Language is a barrier that should exist - not in person-to-person, not in business-to-business, not in program-to-program. It's time to remember that, in my opinion, and work toward a time when solutions are available to cross all boundaries. And yes, i know, that sounded all New Age dippy trippy. You'll live. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: to boldly go where no man has gone before
For the record, apparently my sarcasm re: the language of the Bible was completely missed. I *know* what languages the Bible was written in (Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek) and my point was that English is not the only language, nor is it the most important language the world has known. On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Ken Burcham wrote: Oh dear, certainly off-topic, but your example is as foolish as your logic. :) The Old Testament of the Bible was originally written in Hebrew (mostly) and the New Testament in classical greek (koine). Sheesh. As I meet and interact with people outside the US, I'm always impressed that they know more languages than me in the first place, and usually are better versed in world affairs, second. Careful with your heart, friend! :) ken. -Original Message- From: Joseph B. Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 6:03 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: to boldly go where no man has gone before On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Juan Lorandi (Chile) wrote: flamebait I've been reading all those neat messages about lack of english proficcency and I'd like to point out that more than half the members of Orion-Interest's native language isn't english... After all, orion itself is swedish... And being non-english, I really dislike any discriminating comments... It's a wide world and we all have to be tolerant... /flamebait Personally, I think all you non-US people need to get with the program and immigrate. Everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - knows that English is the best language out there. That's why, for example, the Bible was written in English. offtopicYes, I know, I'm getting sarcastic. But still! There's a fine point here - we could all use a lot less Instant Reaction and leave such concepts to our servers. /offtopic --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Orion JSP form validation and redisplay...
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Keith Kwiatek wrote: Thanks, I have found some traces of Orion taglibs, but nothing so far that handles forms anything in them that you have found that handles forms? OR are people using Orion and Struts successfully? They are, as it turns out; I also have a form taglib (which is very similar to Struts' form taglib, although they are unrelated) available at http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo/Form.html . Keith - Original Message - From: "Suominen, Joni" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 10:31 PM Subject: RE: Orion JSP form validation and redisplay... From: Keith Kwiatek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Does orion have anything that helps with capturing the values of a form, and then if validation fails, --allowing you to re-display the form with the submitted values? Hi Keith! Jakarta Struts has a nice framework to do this. It implements a Model-View-Controller design pattern on top of JSPs and servlets. Please check out http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/ Joni ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Orion JSP form validation and redisplay...
My form taglib doesn't do anything except present it for use. Validation is up to the client, following my personal conviction that presenting architecture is fine and good as long as everybody wants to use it - and not everyone wants to use it. :) Thus, the scope of the form taglib that *I* wrote is limited. On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Keith Kwiatek wrote: Thanks, I have found some traces of Orion taglibs, but nothing so far that handles forms anything in them that you have found that handles forms? OR are people using Orion and Struts successfully? Keith They are, as it turns out; I also have a form taglib (which is very similar to Struts' form taglib, although they are unrelated) available at http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo/Form.html . Thanks for helping the newbie! It looks pretty good but how/where do you do validation on the data? Keith --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Orion JSP form validation and redisplay...
Hmm, there's nothing to be done for that. If the bean you're using has a value in it, the tag lib will display that value appropriately. To wit, suppose we have a Person bean and a Name attribute; let us also assume that myPerson.getName() yields "Joe". In that case, using form:text name="myPerson" property="name" / will construct HTML text like this: input type=text name="name" value="Joe" And subsequent invocations will track changes to myPerson. On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Keith Kwiatek wrote: Thanks I understand that your taglib doesn't do validation, but do you have any examples how how I would take the form data, validate it, and then use your taglib to redisplay the selected values? I emphasize the part about "redisplaying selected values"..... Keith - Original Message - From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Keith Kwiatek" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Orion JSP form validation and redisplay... My form taglib doesn't do anything except present it for use. Validation is up to the client, following my personal conviction that presenting architecture is fine and good as long as everybody wants to use it - and not everyone wants to use it. :) Thus, the scope of the form taglib that *I* wrote is limited. On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Keith Kwiatek wrote: Thanks, I have found some traces of Orion taglibs, but nothing so far that handles forms anything in them that you have found that handles forms? OR are people using Orion and Struts successfully? Keith They are, as it turns out; I also have a form taglib (which is very similar to Struts' form taglib, although they are unrelated) available at http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo/Form.html . Thanks for helping the newbie! It looks pretty good but how/where do you do validation on the data? Keith --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
Re: Orionserver php
You're a dork! On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Joe Walnes wrote: Yes it does, and very well indeed. Nice thing is that PHP can interact with Java objects (such as EJB's) so it makes for a nice presentation layer. I await the flames. -Joe Walnes At 10:19 12/12/2000 +0200, you wrote: Hello folks, has anyone mixed orionserver and php? If you don't want to install Apache, but enable php, will it run over orionserver? Regards, Jukka --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
Re: Database connection pooling
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Todd Mayfield wrote:
Hello,
I have a couple questions about Orion and EJB in general.
1. Shouldn't the server pool database connections ? It is not.
Ah so! But it does. :)
2. If so, is there something we are missing in the configuration to allow
this ? We have tried our own code and sample code found on
www.orionsupport.com.
Use a pooled-location instead. :) See the data-sources.xml docs on
orionserver.
This is the entry from data-sources.xml:
data-source class="com.evermind.sql.DriverManagerDataSource" name="Mas"
location="jdbc/MasCoreDS" xa-location="jdbc/xa/MasXADS"
ejb-location="jdbc/MasDS"
connection-driver="oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver" username="outage"
password="outage" url="jdbc:oracle:thin:@10.27.2.21:1521:v8i815"
inactivity-timeout="1"/
Notice the inactivity-timeout=1 attribute. This is required for stress
testing since the connections are not being pooled. Otherwise we very
quickly run into the max connections. Orion is keeping the connections open
for the timeout period but not reusing them when we request another. On the
server, we see the connections held open with no user associated with them
after the connection is closed until the timeout expires, then they go away.
This is the test code, which acts just like our code, pretty much pasted
from the servlet example on www.orionsupport.com.
package cc.nisc.outage.servlet;
import javax.servlet.*;
import javax.servlet.http.*;
import java.io.*;
import java.sql.*;
import javax.sql.DataSource;
import javax.naming.InitialContext;
public class TestServlet extends HttpServlet {
public void doGet(HttpServletRequest req, HttpServletResponse res) {
try {
// Obtain connection
InitialContext ctx = new InitialContext();
DataSource ds = (DataSource) ctx.lookup("jdbc/Mas");
Connection conn = ds.getConnection();
// Create query and get results
Statement stmt = conn.createStatement();
ResultSet rs = stmt.executeQuery("SELECT table_name FROM
user_tables");
// List results
while ( rs.next() ) {
System.out.println( rs.getString("table_name") + "br");
}
// Close connection - important!
conn.close();
} catch (Exception e) {
System.out.println("error:" + e);
}
}
}
I would appreciate anyone's help here.
Todd Mayfield
National Information Solutions Cooperative
Product Development and Implementation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
Re: Anyone using Orion in production? [long]
On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Gerald Gutierrez wrote: I've run into so many weird and absurd problems in Orion; all it would've taken for me to solve the problem and submit a patch would be a grep in the source tree. Alas, I cannot do this and I am stuck with an application server that has many advantages and many disadvantages, which more or less cancel each other out. Many bugs I post as problems to the mailing list, many times without response, forcing me to submit some of them to bugzilla, where they go unnoticed. They don't go unnoticed. Your recognition of notice is, um, understandably limited. Evermind's position, as stated on the FAQ, is that they would be SUED by Sun if they made their source code public. What?! What is the rationale behind this conclusion??? Talk to Sun. J2EE licensing prevents an open source J2EE implementation (although a "compatible" implementation of J2EE might be okay. I don't know.) ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
RE: Orion in production
server. IIS is easy enough, but its not J2EE, so fork that choice. JRun sucks..we have used it, tried JRun 3.0 and were not happy with it. SilverStream had nothing fancy in my opinion..they are in the same boat as IBM WebSphere..about a year late for the full J2EE support. I can't even believe IBM WebSphere still doesn't support Servlet 2.2 and JSP 1.1! I don't care how many billions you put into your software..if it doesn't even meet the standards that have been in place for almost a year now..it sure doesn't say a lot to me that the money is being spent in the right places! OAS..well, I have heard nothing but bad things about Oracles solution, and this coming from some neigbors that develop the Oracle software! Meanwhile, you have little itty bitty Orion (Ok..they are big to me! ;) over here support EJB 2.0, Servlet 2.3, full J2EE support, clusterable, easy to set up, fast, etc.. I sound like I am a sales man for Orion, but you know..I tend to read up and test alot of the latest stuff and Orion kicks the competitions ass hands down. Maybe if JRun, or someone else came out with much better products I would be on those mailing lists. I just don't see that happening. Ok..I went off..sorry. Go with Orion! -Original Message- From: Frank Eggink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 5:09 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Orion in production I don't know what's the downside of believing these statistics. On http://www.netcraft.com: click on 'what's that site running' click on 'help' click on 'range' click on 'Index' (of Sept 2000 of course) Hit Ctrl-F and search for orion. It tells you 1238 servers are running orion. (If you want your boss to go ahead with orion, don't show him number 5 on the list!) Frank On Friday, October 20, 2000 12:38 PM, Sven van 't Veer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: "Juan Lorandi (Chile)" wrote: Hi! I have been using orion for about 6 months now, and now, as I'm finishing my app, I need to sell orion to my customers... For this, it would be *VERY* valuable to have a list of sites (on the internet or intranets) which use orion... So, basically, what I have in mind is that anybody on this list that wishes to report a site as being partiallly/fully powered by orion, report it to my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that I can make a list of these, to publish it on WWW I think this will prove useful for us all. www.cachoeiro.net www.snpc.com.br -- == Sven E. van 't Veer http://www.cachoeiro.net Java Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] == ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
RE: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list
It's quite feasible for me to set up a news server (nntp, usenet style) on my server if that's a viable solution. It'll take me a little bit of time, as I'm not exactly familiar with running INN, but I can figure it out. On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Duffey, Kevin wrote: I would agree too. I think if you split the list into ejb and web, it might limit the traffic a bit. Also, maybe a newbie list, or possibly a mailing list about how to configure Orion, set it up, install ejbs, servlets, applications, etc..there are a lot of questions on that front. A fourth (the first three being web, ejb, and configuration/setup) would be database related, if possible. -Original Message- From: Miles Daffin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:51 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: 2 many messages - News Server needed. - Or we could split the list Actually, I think the mail list is fine. I use a filter to move these messages into their own folder. Good idea. However, I do feel that some improvement is possible. I recomend splitting the list into a few other lists. Yes - create 2 news groups. The main point of this is the automatic ordering of threads that this allows, in my email client at least. I can see a root message and the whole, dialogic line of consequent messages. What's so wrong with that? Probably the most obvious split is between developers using Orion and administers trying to maintain, configure and install it. Like I said - 2 news groups. --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
RE: displaying xml
the page (for navigation purposes), with the XML in the middle. I want the text to be viewable literally (tags all), but I have been unable to find a solution... I thought maybe the contentType attribute of the %@ page % directive might do it, but it seems not. Does anyone know of a way to do this? Derek Akers Internet Application Developer Eldan Software, Toronto (416) 341-0070 www.eldan.com http://www.eldan.com --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
Re: displaying xml
No, I don't think it should be maintained by Orion. A FAQ should be maintained by Orion, and it'd be nice to have something official (note that there IS a faq by Orion!) but a user-driven support site shoudl be independent, because otherwise you never know what's NOT being said. I wasn't afraid to criticize Orion, although what I needed was usually solved before I had a chance to write it up - but an Orion site would obviously be working at cross-purposes this way. I say, bring ON the user sites! Let's have MORE, for that matter, and have them cross-reference each other. On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Christian Sell wrote: I really think this should be officially maintained by orion. Having multiple semi- or unofficial sites floating around is confusing IMHO and thus keeps people from contributing -Original Message- From: Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dienstag, 17. Oktober 2000 17:12 Subject: RE: displaying xml Or, of course, orionsupport.com, which I know at least two other people might be working on, and I'm considering reviving it myself. Although, honestly, the lack of self-starters here is rather annoying... "Why doesn't somebody ELSE do it" is a crappy way to go about development. On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Hani Suleiman wrote: Or how about a faq-o-matic? Seems ideal for this kind of thing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Porfiriev Sergey Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:33 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: displaying xml To Magnus Karl Avedal: it will be good idea to open "users contribution" topic at www.OrionServer.com http://www.OrionServer.com ( like orionsupport was). and as result traffic in orion-interest will be decreased :) - Original Message - From: Derek Akers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:44 PM Subject: Re: displaying xml Hi Troy, thanks, but I've already tried. the pre /pre tags do preserve the indentation of the XML, but do not allow for the displaying of tags for some reason. 1) use xmp /xmp tags - pre can;'t help. 2) use this xsl for XML parsing - ( i use it with Salaman's Saxon XSLT engine, but it will work under Orion default XSLT (xerces)) it will display your XML as HTML with XML reformating and coloring xsl:stylesheet xmlns:xsl=" http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0" xsl:output method="html" encoding="windows-1251" indent="yes"/ !-- Generic stylesheet for viewing XML -- !-- This stylesheet has been modified to use modes instead of nested templates. -- !-- Last Updated by Parf: moved to lotus xsl, main tag fix -- xsl:template match="/" HTML xsl:apply-templates/ /HTML /xsl:template xsl:template match="node()" xsl:if test="name()!='xml-stylesheet'" bbigxsl:textlt;/xsl:textxsl:value-of select="name()"/xsl:textgt;/xsl:text/big/bbr/ DIV DEFANGED_STYLE="font-family:Courier; font-size:10pt; margin-bottom:0em" xsl:apply-templates mode="inside"/ /DIV bbigxsl:textlt;//xsl:textxsl:value-of select="name()"/xsl:textgt;/xsl:text/big/b /xsl:if /xsl:template xsl:template match="*" mode="inside" DIV DEFANGED_STYLE="margin-left:1em" SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="color:blue" xsl:textlt;/xsl:text bxsl:value-of select="name()"//b xsl:for-each select="@*" xsl:call-template name="attribute"/ /xsl:for-each xsl:choose xsl:when test="self::node()" xsl:textgt;/xsl:text xsl:apply-templates mode="inside"/ xsl:textlt;//xsl:text xsl:value-of select="name()"/ xsl:textgt;/xsl:text /xsl:when xsl:otherwise xsl:text/gt;/xsl:text /xsl:otherwise /xsl:choose /SPAN /DIV /xsl:template xsl:template name="attribute" SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="color:navy" xsl:text /xsl:text xsl:value-of select="name()"/ xsl:text="/xsl:text SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="color:black" xsl:value-of select="."/ /SPAN xsl:text"/xsl:text /SPAN /xsl:template xsl:template match="comment()" mode="inside" SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="color:orange" xsl:textlt;!--/xsl:textxsl:value-of select="."/xsl:text--gt;/xsl:text /SPAN /xsl:template xsl:temp
Re: displaying xml
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Derek Akers wrote: --On Tuesday, October 17, 2000 8:11 AM -0400 "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although, honestly, the lack of self-starters here is rather annoying... "Why doesn't somebody ELSE do it" is a crappy way to go about development. Dude, honestly, thanks for your other (slightly more useful) suggestion, however, might I suggest that you jack it down a little bit? Perhaps we should include in our judgement the possibility that one HAS tried something already? That one HAS looked around, read around and asked around? That is, of course, what this forum is for, yes? I am not in the habit of asking without trying first, thanks. Reread what I was saying; I wasn't saying "You shouldn't ask here," but I was commenting on the "why doesn't someone else start a faq-o-matic", despite such things being easy to set up. Maybe I'm biased; it took me about a day or so of concentrated effort to get orionsupport up originally, and I really didn't know much (and still don't, really.) I figure, if I'm not that bright and I can get something up like that in relatively short time, surely others can do the same... yet what MOST people are settling for is "Why doesn't someone else do it?" ----------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
Re: displaying xml
Use the view taglibrary, attached. You can also see the in16 (jsptags) project on sourceforge. Usage: view:escapeBlah blah blah/view:escape On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Derek Akers wrote: Hi all... I am trying to display the contents of an XML file to the screen, embedded inside a JSP page. That is, I want to include a header and footer on the page (for navigation purposes), with the XML in the middle. I want the text to be viewable literally (tags all), but I have been unable to find a solution... I thought maybe the contentType attribute of the %@ page % directive might do it, but it seems not. Does anyone know of a way to do this? Derek Akers Internet Application Developer Eldan Software, Toronto (416) 341-0070 www.eldan.com --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer viewtags-1.1.jar
RE: How to use EJB2.0 on Orion
On 21 Sep 2000, S.Badrinarayanan wrote:
I am intersted in 2 points mentioned below:
1. How do I get the 1.3.8 version; their server (www.orionserver.com) shows only
1.2.9 as the latest.
The way to *always* get the current version is:
java -jar autoupdate.jar
2. Where can I find this document on "Ernst de Haan's approach"?
Ernst de Haan's tutorials can be found on www.jollem.com.
Any help...
Thanks
sb
On Thu, 21 September 2000, Magnus Rydin wrote:
Hopefully, the future documentation that will look at one piece at the time, will
make this application more usefull.
The way it is right now, is more for advanced users to find an example of a certain
functionality.
It will continue to include as many functions as possible, but it will be given a
documentation to make life easier for ppl.
WR
-Original Message-
From: Joseph B. Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: den 21 september 2000 05:21
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: How to use EJB2.0 on Orion
Yeah, I know - and the example apps are good, but they're
more than I'd
like. (Incidentally, the ATM has been EJB 2.0 for a while now.) I like
Ernst de Haan's approach - he covers one area and tries not
to dress it
too much. "Here I'll cover creating a simple app." "Here I'll
create a CMP
bean and use it." The ATM is good, but it does *everything* -
which makes
learning individual elements more difficult than it could be
if you had,
for example, an OR-mapping application or a security model
application.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Vimal Kansal wrote:
I jsu upgraded to Orion 1.3.8. And guess what ? :- it
has the EJB2.0 based ATM application :-)
Vimal
--- "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't forget that EJB 2.0 isn't a standard yet. It's
a draft. Personally,
I'm mucking about with it a bit, and the parts I'm
most interested in -
the OR mapping - I've not really covered, so I'm in
the same boat of
wanting more information, but let's be real about
it. It's not there
unless we generate it ourselves; we can't expect the
Orion team to do
everything for us (we *are* developers, right?) so
instead of griping
about it, read the draft. Play with it. Try things
out. Tell others about
it, so we can ALL learn. (If I see stuff on it that
I think is useful, as
soon as the infrastructure is done for the new
orionsupport, I'll put it
online.)
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Christian Sell wrote:
I have been sending this mail for quite
some time but to no avail.
well, maybe there IS no avail. Not many of us have
done EJB 2.0 yet, and as
far as the orion core team goes, I hope (!!) they
are busy writing
documentation for the basic stuff (and improving
orion in their spare time).
regards
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Re: No response from Customer Support for Licensed Version
Just to make sure: note that orionsupport.com has NOTHING to do with orionserver.com... if you're sending email, make sure it's being routed to the right address. On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Lorin Kobashigawa wrote: i have been sending emails all week to support, and not getting any response. -Lkb At 04:20 PM 9/21/00 -0400, Gary Albelli wrote: Hi, I have a few emails that have been sent to support with the following subject: EJB 2.0 many to many relationship deployment [priority: CMR1B23BAB]. I would like to know if I am doing something wrong in making this request or am I just not getting any response. Thanks Gary Albelli DecisionSmith/ipicorp /** * @author: Lorin Kobashigawa-Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] * @title: CodeMonkey / COO - Robot6 Inc. * @phone: 415.345.8872 * @addr: 1177 Polk St. San Francisco, CA 94109 */ --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
Re: How to use EJB2.0 on Orion
Don't forget that EJB 2.0 isn't a standard yet. It's a draft. Personally, I'm mucking about with it a bit, and the parts I'm most interested in - the OR mapping - I've not really covered, so I'm in the same boat of wanting more information, but let's be real about it. It's not there unless we generate it ourselves; we can't expect the Orion team to do everything for us (we *are* developers, right?) so instead of griping about it, read the draft. Play with it. Try things out. Tell others about it, so we can ALL learn. (If I see stuff on it that I think is useful, as soon as the infrastructure is done for the new orionsupport, I'll put it online.) On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Christian Sell wrote: I have been sending this mail for quite some time but to no avail. well, maybe there IS no avail. Not many of us have done EJB 2.0 yet, and as far as the orion core team goes, I hope (!!) they are busy writing documentation for the basic stuff (and improving orion in their spare time). regards --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
Re: How to use EJB2.0 on Orion
Yeah, I know - and the example apps are good, but they're more than I'd like. (Incidentally, the ATM has been EJB 2.0 for a while now.) I like Ernst de Haan's approach - he covers one area and tries not to dress it too much. "Here I'll cover creating a simple app." "Here I'll create a CMP bean and use it." The ATM is good, but it does *everything* - which makes learning individual elements more difficult than it could be if you had, for example, an OR-mapping application or a security model application. On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Vimal Kansal wrote: I jsu upgraded to Orion 1.3.8. And guess what ? :- it has the EJB2.0 based ATM application :-) Vimal --- "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget that EJB 2.0 isn't a standard yet. It's a draft. Personally, I'm mucking about with it a bit, and the parts I'm most interested in - the OR mapping - I've not really covered, so I'm in the same boat of wanting more information, but let's be real about it. It's not there unless we generate it ourselves; we can't expect the Orion team to do everything for us (we *are* developers, right?) so instead of griping about it, read the draft. Play with it. Try things out. Tell others about it, so we can ALL learn. (If I see stuff on it that I think is useful, as soon as the infrastructure is done for the new orionsupport, I'll put it online.) On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Christian Sell wrote: I have been sending this mail for quite some time but to no avail. well, maybe there IS no avail. Not many of us have done EJB 2.0 yet, and as far as the orion core team goes, I hope (!!) they are busy writing documentation for the basic stuff (and improving orion in their spare time). regards ------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ----------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer
session and authenthication management (fwd)
More stuff sent to me and not the list. :) --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cupid.suninternet.com/~joeo HOMES.COM Developer -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:50:05 +0200 From: Truong Di Ly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: session and authenthication management Hello, I would like to build a user login system. So I have studied the atm example, but anyway I didn't know how it is implemented. Could you give me any hint? e.g. in the form tag there is no action attribute and submit button. Where is the session creation and user authenthication? Thanks in advance, Ly
