Re: Cameron this will tickle you
On Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003, at 13:15 America/New_York, John Francis wrote: Exactly my feelings when I saw the original posting. You know what they say about who blames the tools ... I don't see anything in the article that blamed the tools. They blamed it on an over-reliance of PowerPoint presentations. Not on PowerPoint itself. I think they blamed the users for misusing the tools. I would have been tickled had it not been for the fact that lives could have been saved. I was at one of Tufte's lectures about ten years ago. In that lecture, he described how a poorly designed presentation caused NASA managers to err on a shuttle launch on a too cold day leading to the loss of the shuttle Challenger in 1986. It's scary that problems similar to the ones they had 17 years ago may have contributed to the loss of the Columbia. --jc
Re: Color correction software
On Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003, at 16:46 America/New_York, Andre Langevin wrote: Are there any Photoshop plug-ins to correct color balance due to a difference between color temperatures of film lighting. For example 2700 oK (bulbs) to 5500 oK (film). I read that PhotoShop CS comes with this capability. --jc
Re: Why P-TTL?
on 16.12.03 17:51, Joseph Tainter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone who owns the AF360FGZ confirm that P-TTL has given you better exposures than ordinary TTL? Yes, P-TTL is significant upgrade to plain TTL. It usually tries to expose picture so as the flash would be as weak as possible to obtain proper exposure, resulting in more natural results. In what conditions? For instance if you have some object that are nearer than main subjext, that you have focussed your camera on. In P-TTL main subjext is usually well exposed, while neareer, out-of-focus objetcs are overexposed. In plain TTL, reflected light from nearer object would foul flash automatic, properly exposing near object and leaving underexposed main subject(s). Actually this is possible because P-TTL uses distance information coming from F and later series lenses and of course it works only when flash head is directed straight (not tilted). I could write about more real-world examples, but I think there's no comparison - P-TTL is simply better, period! It's just pity there's no stronger than AF360 flash that would work in P-TTL. Maybe because Pentax has filed this year new patent for flash metering system using not only multi-segment metering, but also taking in consideration different reflectivities of various colors? Will there be C-TTL (or something) in next Pentax DSLR? It yet has to be seen, as many of the patents remain just patents... -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: *istD North America Warranty
Hi, Dave B wrote (regarding repair work of cameras bought outside the country): Actually Nikon will not do any work let alone warranty. H. So you turn up with their product, hand full of hot little dollars, and they say No, thank you? Sounds to me like they have both little business sense and rather too much repair work. It also makes me wonder even more about the durability of digicams. mike
Re: Lens Tests
Compare the Quantaray models with Sigma. They have been the main manufacturer for Ritz on those. If you can find a match, then look for reviews on the Sigma version. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 6:48:58 AM, you wrote: MWMK Hey gang, MWMK I'm trying to research some info on new lenses for a friend. I've MWMK looked on photodo, but to no avail. She's looking at Quantray lenses MWMK in the 100-300 range. Can anyone suggest to me sites to check on MWMK quality tests, or suggestions in that range? unfortunatly she's MWMK looking for minolta l. . . MWMK IL Bill
Re: Color correction software
I've just looked thru PS CS but can't seem to find the function, JC.. Suggestions from anyone, most welcome. There is though, the option with the supplied Camera Raw plugin where it's as simple as a slider or an auto correct dropper tool, but my attempts to find a way to use it with a simple jpg haven't ended up anywhere useful. There is an alternative method using histogram levels, as described here: http://www.bairarteditions.com/pages/tutorials/photoshop/cblevels.html but that can get a bit messy.. In response to Andre's original query, a quick look found this one: http://www.pluginsworld.com/Photoshop/plugins.php3?action=software335soft=Photoshop Andre, I tend to use Paintshop Pro 8 occasionally, and have found it to be a very useful software. You might want to give it a go sometime. There's an included slider under the 'color balance' menu which let's you adjust the colour temperature from 2500K to 9300K. Straightforward, works with most image files and very very useful. Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Juey Chong Ong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Color correction software On Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003, at 16:46 America/New_York, Andre Langevin wrote: Are there any Photoshop plug-ins to correct color balance due to a difference between color temperatures of film lighting. For example 2700 oK (bulbs) to 5500 oK (film). I read that PhotoShop CS comes with this capability. --jc
RE: Australian alternative to GFM??
Since we are all scattered from Central Queensland to Melbourne and perhaps Perth, it does not make much sense to try and organise a meeting/outing on short notice. For the US mob, Australia has the land mass of the continental United states with the population of California. Canberra is 4-5 hours away from me and a good 2 and 1/2 days form Clermont Queensland. Holiday periods are great to set up for an outing but the only one that seems to fit the bill would be the June long weekend. Most of the other are too short or require family. It may be best, as in Rob's case, to make contact through our travels. Since a spend a fair amount of time in Queensland, Tanya can expect me to call in - with advance notice - as I have driven past her town countless times. Did she mention Wolf Fang park. I think it is a bunch of volcano plugs that have had the earth worn away. To me, it is the most exciting sight between Mackay and Emerald. If our mob can decide on a venue and, if there are enough, we could perhaps get the Pentax distributor CR Kennedy involved. Could be fun. Cheers, Bob
Re: artefacts
Hi, Arnie wrote: any idea what it might be? dirt on the sensor? Looks like dirt. Even more interesting, I cannot decide if the bright spots are hot pixels or stars. Probably the former, as the sun appears to be quite high. Do digiastrophotographers use extra high quality sensors to stop people discovering new heavenly objects? Given my TIC and skeptical posts on the subject of digicams, I suppose I had better state that this is a serious question. mike
Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ryan Lee wrote: Fascinating, Mark.. yet another curious lens (to me).. I can't find much info on the Rikenon either. tongue-in-cheek Did you check the archive? /tongue-in-cheek I had seen a Porst on sale at some point and had a look at the archive. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg79526.html HTH, Kostas
Re: Cameron this will tickle you
William Robb wrote: Interesting take, blaming the misuse of software for a problem, rather than those who misued the software. Well said. I get to see quite a few ppt presentations at work and they never impress me. It has nothing to do with ppt itself - they're just bad presentations. Usually too much info on a slide, and stupid colour choices resulting in unreadable text. Or the most common problem: boring content :) I do dislike ppt but only from when I've had to use it and found it too restrictive. But its easy to whip something up in a short time. I did a short presentation a couple of weeks ago. I decided to use Flash as a learning exercise, and because I wanted better control over the effects. It turned out that I had to be extremely careful about my transitions and animations, in addition to the content itself. Flash gives you enough control to *really* screw things up ;) I definitely recommend previewing a presentation using the data projector while you still have the time to make changes. I found that the one we use at work has big problems with pure red, and has nowhere near the contrast of a CRT monitor. Next thing you know, Nasa will be suing Microsoft for the replacement cost of a space shuttle. Hmm, not sure if MS could even afford that. I'm too lazy to use Google: what does a new shuttle cost these days? Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Update on website status, plus sample page....
Stan Halpin wrote: See http://home.earthlink.net/~smh645/A_20-2.8.html for a sample page. None of the links are active, this is a one-page sample. Let me know if you have any comments. The only thing I don't really like is the table borders. Have you tried getting rid of them? Main advantage to this design is that you will be served pages 12-17k at a time, not 250k at a time. And also the frames are gone. This would be good :) Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, frank theriault wrote: Now, certainly, only a few of my posts on various lists' archives come up on a Google search, and I have no idea how they choose what comes up or not. Partly it depends on the webmaster of the list archive site. The webmaster can prohibit Google to index a site or a part of a site. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/
Re: Enabled
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ryan Lee wrote: Just had to drop something about Bjork (sorry about my OT tendencies!) (her music more than her, Frank.. I once saw this clip of her arriving in Thailand, a reporter went up to her and said 'Welcome to Thailand!' and just as she raised her mic for a brief comment from B, B lost it and started pulling the reporter's hair and getting really scary.. That particular reporter had harrassed her for a long time. Still no excuse for behaving like that, but it wasn't really just out of the blue. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/
Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2
Actually Kostas, I did not. I think I depend a bit too much on Yahoo, and my use of PDML has been confined to my (bursting) mailbox. Apologies. But courtesy of Ollen Mullis and Paul Fox (fellow PDMLers, tremendously assistive I attest) I've been elucidated on this lens. I wasn't even aware of Porst or Revuenon til today. Still learning.. :) Humbled, Ryan - Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2 On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ryan Lee wrote: Fascinating, Mark.. yet another curious lens (to me).. I can't find much info on the Rikenon either. tongue-in-cheek Did you check the archive? /tongue-in-cheek I had seen a Porst on sale at some point and had a look at the archive. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg79526.html HTH, Kostas
Re: Australian alternative to GFM??
Why is Australia referred to as Oz? I thought that was Kansas. I have the feeling I am missing something... Marnie aka Doe (Who is an Oz fan, having read all of the Baum-written books -- about four times each.)
Re: Australian alternative to GFM??
Why is Australia referred to as Oz? 'cos the Aussies like to abbreviate. Aus = Oz. I thought that was Kansas No, no, no :-) In fact Dorothy even says as much (This ain't Kansas anymore, Toto or something like that) Chris (a pommy)
Re: Australian alternative to GFM??
Well, maybe because Aussie is similar to Ozzie, so Aus Oz.. But when over here 'afternoon' is 'arvo' and 'sandwich' is 'sanga', Oz might just mean we're not in Kansas anymore, Toto! ;) Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Australian alternative to GFM?? Why is Australia referred to as Oz? I thought that was Kansas. I have the feeling I am missing something... Marnie aka Doe (Who is an Oz fan, having read all of the Baum-written books -- about four times each.)
Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ryan Lee wrote: Apologies. Apologies? Humbled, Humbled? There must be something wrong with my posts. They don't just help, as I intended... Sorry. Kostas
Re: OT: Fantasy about New HD from Toshiba
there are MP3 players with builtin hard drives of that size. the 1.5GB MP3 players are these type. i don't see anything important about the Toshiba announcement other than that there is now a second, independently developed source for drives of the same general capabilities of the MicroDrive. Herb - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: Re: OT: Fantasy about New HD from Toshiba True. But I believe the story in question referred to a hard drive that would be built into the camera itself, functioning as internal storage. Microdrives have been out for quite a while, so I don't see what would be so revolutionary about this new 2-3GB drive unless it was meant to come built into the camera. I could be wrong, though... what's your take?
Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2
Sorry? You should be! :) vbg Just kidding.. It helped, Kos, really! Ta! Ryan PS. About weird Aussie phrases, 'Ta' is another one.. It mean 'thanks' instead of 'goodbye'.. strange.. - Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2 There must be something wrong with my posts. They don't just help, as I intended... Sorry. Kostas
*Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
Hi all, Regarding the Aussie GFM (I'm aware of the incorrectness of this term, but it's catchy.. we can give it a name of its own when we know where it is!), there doesn't seem to be much of a plan as yet. As such, I've decided to compile the relevant info, hopefully in a format slightly more useful to the (brave) undertaking organiser, and attendees. This post is fairly long, so here's what's in it. - Aussie PDMLers (if you're missing please yell out) - Potential guests (see above.. and even if you've got the slightest inkling of a temptation to jump on a budget flight and come down here, that includes you too) - Suggestions (ideas where to go..) - Considerations (ands buts) I know it's still a while away, but I think it's nice to have a plan to sit on. Best Regards, Ryan **Updated population down under: Kevin Waterson (Port Macquarie, NSW) Trevor Bailey (Grafton, NSW) Rob Studdert (Hurtsville, NSW) Bob Rapp (Melbourne, VIC) Paul Ewins (Melbourne, VIC) Leon Altoff (Melbourne, VIC) Tanya Mayer (3 hours West of Mackay in the middle of whoopwhoop, QLD) John Coyle (Brisbane, QLD) Ryan Lee (Brisbane, QLD) -- **Possible globetrotters: -- Stan Halpin (Western Missouri, USA) My own schedule is still a bit up in the air. I am expecting a meeting in Adelaide, 31 Mar - 2 Apr, adjourning over the weekend, resuming in Canberra (?) 5-6 April. Assuming that this is in fact what comes down when our meeting host gets all of the proper decisions, the my wife and I will plan to arrive in Adelaide on about 26 March and spend the weekend in that general vicinity. The following weekend we'll move as called for by the meeting schedule, with time to ourselves along the way. John Francis (San Jose, California, USA) One of these years I'm going to get over to Surfer's Paradise for the CART (now OWRS) race. When I do, I'll probably take an extra week or two of vacation. **Suggestions to date (edited): Tanya Mayer (QLD) What about somewhere like the Whitsundays? Great Barrier Reef and sunny Queensland weather might be able to entice some overseas people for a lovely holiday - I will be happy to organise it if it was in that area, as it isn't too far from me... VERY picturesque stuff - we could even do a charter flight to whitehaven beach, snorkelling, skydiving (COOL pics there!) etc. GREAT sunsets and landscape photography opportunities... See here for more details about that place - it is just DIVINE... http://www.seewhitsundays.com/w/islands/picture.asp?image=images/whitehaven2.jpg http://www.seewhitsundays.com/w/islands/picture.asp?image=images/beneteauatwhitehaven.jpg http://www.sailing-whitsundays.com/locations/listings/l0001.html http://www.geocities.com/awweir/Whitehaven_people.html http://www.whitsundaysonline.com/ Rob, I'm sure that G. would appreciate a tropical island getaway... (of course, the fact that the Whitsundays are only 4 hours from me, has nothing to do with my bias!) lol... Of course, at the opposite ends of the spectrum, there are places like the Hunter and Barossa Valleys, Blue Mountains etc. Another alternative could be the Maleny/Montville area on the Sunshine Coast - very picturesque. ---Kevin Waterson (NSW) Or... if you would like a NSW based outing I could perhaps help. Among other things, I am the owner of some beachfront holiday units. see this link http://www.oceania.net I would be happy to provide accommodation for some PDMLers free of charge. Our accommodations are humble, but clean and comfortable. I can arrange day outings to national parks, fishing, boat tours, fishing, camping grounds, fishing, long sandy beaches, fishing airplane flights for photography, and if we can squeeze it in, perhaps a spot of fishing. The whales have already passed us on their way south for the summer but dolphins are plentyful. We are close (30 mins) to mountains and national parks where our local camera club likes to visit for fungus and macro works. The waterfalls are a little lacklustre due to the drought at the moment, but a 2 hour drive north puts us in nearby bellingen where they abound. I do alot of modelling portfolios so if we need models we should be able to get a few together. --Bob Rapp (VIC) Did she (Tanya) mention Wolf Fang park. I think it is a bunch of volcano plugs that have had the earth worn away. To me, it is the most exciting sight between Mackay and Emerald. If our mob can decide on a venue and, if there are enough, we could perhaps get the Pentax distributor CR Kennedy involved. Could be fun. ---Leon Altoff (VIC) We could try to compete with GFM by going somewhere like Cradle Mountain in Tasmania, Wilson's Prom in Victoria or The Snowy Mountains in NSW. Or we could go for a complete opposite like the Whitsundays or the Outback. I personally would like
Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ryan Lee wrote: PS. About weird Aussie phrases, 'Ta' is another one.. It mean 'thanks' We have it here (UK) too; usually associated with Lancashire/Cumbria I think. Being easier than thanks, the nursery teaches that to my daughter (up in Scotland). Kostas
Re: Another ebay scam!
On 16/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Not mine. Just one of those things that gets passed around the Internet. probably has several authors. No idea tho originated it, though. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...
On 16/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: If one were silly enough to Google my name, the first item one would see is my PDML Self Portrait (the famous bunny ears! g). The next bunch of entries are a few of my posts to PDML and the LUG. I Googled myself and here's a couple of interesting ones: I'm a hotel: http://www.hotelcotty.com/default.htm A type of thread: http://www.gs-ukdirect.com/index.html?target=Thread_RangesCotty.html A Firewall-piercing software: http://fare.tunes.org/files/fwprc/ A car shampoo: http://www.karshine.com/images/product_list_04/product_th04/cotty.html and my favourite - a character in a poster: http://vintage-art-posters.junglewalk.com/Cotty-Poster-398868.asp Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
OT: Ta! (was Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2)
Only association I could think of was an abbrieviation for 'thanks a lot' (though that should be t-a-l, even if 'a lot' can sound like a single word when you say the phrase). First time I heard it I was quite confused a la hmmm you said goodbye..hmm.. you're still talking to me, but these days I can use it quite comfortably. Worrying! Rgds, Ryan - Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2 On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ryan Lee wrote: PS. About weird Aussie phrases, 'Ta' is another one.. It mean 'thanks' We have it here (UK) too; usually associated with Lancashire/Cumbria I think. Being easier than thanks, the nursery teaches that to my daughter (up in Scotland). Kostas
Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...
On 16/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Lon, Cotty didn't crap out -- Tanya did (unless Imissed soemthing.) Yeah, I was kinda wondering there. I think he got the names mixed up :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Powerpoint
Interesting take, blaming the misuse of software for a problem, rather than those who misued the software. Well said. I get to see quite a few ppt presentations at work and they never impress me. It has nothing to do with ppt itself - they're just bad presentations. Well, this oversimplifies the problem by underestimating the way in which tools condition our thinking and condition the problems and solutions at hand. It is also surprising that anyone would casually and quickly reject a thinker such as Tufte trying to tell us something. I would not say the medium IS the message but certainly it alters, limits, abstracts the message in various ways. This may happen independent of our best intentions. It is overly idealistic to imagine that humans are these perfect things hovering high above the world making decisions; in fact we are immersed in the world and are conditioned by its perameters. Our thinking is conditioned by the language we happen to use as well as by the software we select (or have selected for us, for the most part). No matter how perfect we think we are, a presentation is going to be different with different media - people will learn different things. We make different mistakes when using different tools. Engineering projects have different types of failures based upon different types of software, and versus doing things by hand. Assuming humans haven't changed, this focuses the attention on the role of the media and methods thereof. Also, at the extreme, different types of projects become possible and impossible. Humans are not limitlessly creative or vigiland therefore we rely upon convention, precedent, technique, culture, tools, etc. to influence answers - this is a part of life and not necessarily bad. (Most pieces written on piano are different than those written on guitar - and few are capable of dreaming up complete pieces in the abstract not associated with instrumentation, while laying in bed...even they are conditioned by memory of the instruments). Given that this is a fact, one can then turn attention toward laying a certain amount of blame on tools and methods that are more mistake prone in certain contexts. Powerpoint is certainly a media which predisposes one to certain errors mainly related to oversimplification as Tufte argues. Yes, if we were almost perfect and nearly godlike we would catch every mistake and only have ourselves to blame, but in fact as soon as one relies on a tool and gives over some responsibility to the tool (which we must and always do) then we can speak about the influence of the tool itself and about how for example powerpoint may have been a legitimate contributing factor the shuttle disaster. Chaso __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re:(2) *istD North America Warrany
As far as I know Nikon is the second worst offender at that. Mamiya USA is the first. I have not heard of any other major brands refusing to work on gray market cameras, though many will not honor the warranty. I only realized this when i called Nikon in Mississauga Ontario to arrange for a CCD cleaning. I was asked for the s/n and the girl on the other end said it was a US camera,that they would not work on it.I mentioned i knew it was off warranty and was willing to pay cash money,but no was her answer. I talked to the service manager and he confirmed this HOWEVER Nikon Canada would clean the CCD but that was it. BTW this is ONLY for digital cameras,not film cameras or lenses. Dave(more carefull how he buys things now)Brooks
Re: artifacts
well i tried cleaning the sensor, however because i can only see the spots on the sky, i'm going to have to wait to test it. we are supposed to get around 2 inches of rain today here in nyc. thanks for all the help arnie - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: arnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:56 PM Subject: Re: artifacts Hello arnie, Looks very much like dust on the sensor. I had one dust spot on mine. It could easily be seen by setting on B and holding the shutter open. A small puff of air took care of it for me. My friend's Nikon D100 had the exact same issue. 2 or 3 spots on his. Since I had just cleared mine, he showed me a couple of shots and I spotted it right away. He checked and sure enough - dust. Again, for him just a puff or two of air cleaned it. Bruce Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 4:58:40 PM, you wrote: a i got this problem on my istD that happens with all my lenses. there are a about 5-14 (depends on type of picture) dark spots appear. its not the lens a because they appear in the exact same position every time. it also seems to a show up worse on blue sky than anything else. a i put the worst one as a full size jpg exactly as it came off the card a online http://www.xdstech.com/istd/IMGP0522.JPG a the shot was taken with the fa 135mm 2.8 a 1/3000 a f13 a it was shot with the sun just at the edge of the roof. i count 13 spots a (some quite faint and some glaring) a any idea what it might be? dirt on the sensor? a arnie
Re: Color correction software
On 16 Dec 2003 at 16:46, Andre Langevin wrote: Are there any Photoshop plug-ins to correct color balance due to a difference between color temperatures of film lighting. For example 2700 oK (bulbs) to 5500 oK (film). PC based http://www.mediachance.com/digicam/filtersim.htm Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Sensors noise
On 17 Dec 2003 at 16:30, Ryan Lee wrote: Thanks kindly for the link. It's a good overview, though I think it helps illustrates the question I posed (under 'system noise', the article identifies CCDs to have 'low' while giving CMOSes 'moderate to high'). Ergo, I find the dpreview *ist D/10D comparison with regard to noise (*ist D had slightly lower noise than the 10D up to ISO800, where the *ist D's noise levels got higher) curious. Just to rehash for everyone else, I'm wondering why this is the case, if it's a sensor or processing issue, or perhaps could the dpreview test have been flawed and inconclusive? Ryan, We see the noise in an image after the output from the sensor has passed through amplifiers, AD convertors then and interpolation and filtering algorithms. On top of that the sensors that you are comparing likely have difference in photosite area which in its self leads to a difference in noise performance and dynamic range. So again it's like comparing apples to oranges. Sensor types have family traits but there are still plenty of deviations. For instance the following article contradicts the data in the previous link that I posted: http://www.smalcamera.com/pressreleases/smal_auto_release.html And I was also wondering, the article seems to favour CCDs when it comes to image quality- how far off would one be in suggesting that a 10D with a CCD instead of a CMOS (forget the extra cost or battery life or what it'd look like or who'd buy it) might be capable of producing higher quality captures? If you have to make comparisons then compare the performance of the complete cameras (entire system), try to ignore the sensor type and you'll probably suffer fewer brain aches :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: artefacts
On 17 Dec 2003 at 9:18, mike.wilson wrote: Do digiastrophotographers use extra high quality sensors to stop people discovering new heavenly objects? Given my TIC and skeptical posts on the subject of digicams, I suppose I had better state that this is a serious question. The link following shows the preliminary design for an high quality astro- digicam using the same sensor as used in the *ist D: http://www.astrovid.com/Starlight%20Xpress%20MV25/Starlight%20Xpress%20MV25.htm Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Australian alternative to GFM??
On 17 Dec 2003 at 6:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is Australia referred to as Oz? It a classic Australian (Aussie) colloquialism and a lot faster to type than Australia... I thought that was Kansas. I have the feeling I am missing something... Yep, Oz is a real place, the Oz in the movie isn't real, sorry you had to hear it this way :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Color correction software
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Dec 2003 at 16:46, Andre Langevin wrote: Are there any Photoshop plug-ins to correct color balance due to a difference between color temperatures of film lighting. For example 2700 oK (bulbs) to 5500 oK (film). PC based http://www.mediachance.com/digicam/filtersim.htm It's also free :) It simulates Kodak Wratten filters. Works fairly well for me. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: *istD and prime lens aperature
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 06:27:38PM -0600, William Robb wrote: From: Pieter Nagel Oh, I wasn't hoping to get any more quality out of the tiny APS sensor with 2/3 faked colour. I presume you have an ist D? If so, you know how wrong this statement is. I did not mean that as a slur on the istD specifically, I was referring to the difference between film current CCD's in general. Specifically, I was referring to the fact that each pixel of the CCD has a red, green or blue filter and can detect only one of the three, the other two need to be interpolated, ergo. 2/3 faked colour. I do not ascribe mystical properties to digital imaging algorithms just because digital is supposedly always better than analog. Therefore, even though I concede that the interpolation of the colours might in practice work fine, I do not for any moment believe that the interpolation algorithm can always end up with the colour value the pixel would have had if it had been able to sense the other two colours. Yes, I have an istD, and I am quite happy with the colour - although I must add that I have only had it for a few days now. But I can't help wondering (as a theoretical curiosity) how much better the colour rendition would be if each pixel could sense red, green and blue simultaneously. Users of a Foveon chip could comment. -- ,_ /_) /| / / i e t e r/ |/ a g e l
Re[2]: *istD North America Warranty
I buy from my local store quite often. However, there are times, when the price difference is not a few bucks, but hundreds. If the difference is less than $50, pretty much I use the local store. The other problem with the local store is selection/availability. I just bought an FA*24/2 from NY because the local store would take 3-4 weeks to get it. Generally if they have to order one, the price is higher, too. So bottom line is I buy from the store whenever I can, especially if I went in to look at something and they took the time to work with me. Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 8:51:52 AM, you wrote: In way of a comparison, I work at a reasonably small, family-owned camera store where the salespeople (well, most of them, anyway g) have a fair amount of knowledge about cameras and photography. I hate people who buy cameras from places like Costco or Best Buy to save a few bucks (without checking to see if we'd match prices), and then come into our store and expect me to spend an hour showing them how to use their camera. If you want service, buy from the company you plan on bringing the camera back to for servicing. mw I agree with everything you say. Sad that there is not one near to me mw that I would trust. Although there is a camera repair organisation mw (closer to me than any camera shop) that everyone around here uses for mw non-warranty stuff. mw mike
Re[2]: *istD and prime lens aperature
Hello Pieter, One thing you are not factoring in to this issue is the output side. When the output is digital, you have the same basic problem. Each pixel is only one color. What you are really referring to is a dithering pattern. All inkjet printers do this, monitors do this and I believe digital mini-labs do this. So in fact, the color doesn't have to be faked as much as it has to be patterned. The downside to this is that certain patterns (especially man-made) could come out looking wrong. The natural random nature of film grain tends to hide this rather than accentuate it. I don't think the Foveon crowd has quite as much advantage as you think. They still have to create a dither pattern from the sensor data as each pixel can only store 1 color. Using film as a beginning but moving it to digital output is not much different than the Foveon, capturing all three colors at 1 pixel point but then creating a dither pattern out of it. Either the scanner or Foveon chip do this. I suspect that the layout pattern of the CCD/CMOS chip pretty much regulate this. In the end, it all comes out in the wash. The only real comparison would be between a purely analog film process vs a digital capture/output. My local labs no longer do analog. That means that my film is at a disadvantage. It is subject to their scanner/software limitations. The only alternative is to scan and manipulate the images myself. Food for thought. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 9:19:10 AM, you wrote: PN On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 06:27:38PM -0600, William Robb wrote: From: Pieter Nagel Oh, I wasn't hoping to get any more quality out of the tiny APS sensor with 2/3 faked colour. I presume you have an ist D? If so, you know how wrong this statement is. PN I did not mean that as a slur on the istD specifically, I was referring to PN the difference between film current CCD's in general. PN Specifically, I was referring to the fact that each pixel of the CCD has a PN red, green or blue filter and can detect only one of the three, the other PN two need to be interpolated, ergo. 2/3 faked colour. PN I do not ascribe mystical properties to digital imaging algorithms just PN because digital is supposedly always better than analog. Therefore, PN even though I concede that the interpolation of the colours might in PN practice work fine, I do not for any moment believe that the interpolation PN algorithm can always end up with the colour value the pixel would have had PN if it had been able to sense the other two colours. PN Yes, I have an istD, and I am quite happy with the colour - although I PN must add that I have only had it for a few days now. PN But I can't help wondering (as a theoretical curiosity) how much better PN the colour rendition would be if each pixel could sense red, green and PN blue simultaneously. Users of a Foveon chip could comment.
Re[2]: *istD and prime lens aperature
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Bruce Dayton wrote: One thing you are not factoring in to this issue is the output side. When the output is digital, you have the same basic problem. Each pixel is only one color. This is not true. All photographic file formats store R, G and B values for each pixel. Your display shows these at each pixel too (although some display types such as LCDs use subpixels that are next to each other that are R, G and B). You can sort of see those in this photograph: http://phred.org/~alex/pictures/scratch/reduced/IMGP1604.JPG That is a shot of text on a Dell 1702FP LCD monitor. It was shot with the *ist D and a reversed 50/1.4 lens. Remove reduced from the URL if you want to see the full resolution original. Most color scanners do capture R, G, and B for each pixel that they are scanning. alex
Re[2]: *istD and prime lens aperature
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, alex wetmore wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Bruce Dayton wrote: One thing you are not factoring in to this issue is the output side. When the output is digital, you have the same basic problem. Each pixel is only one color. This is not true. All photographic file formats store R, G and B values for each pixel. Your display shows these at each pixel too (although some display types such as LCDs use subpixels that are next to each other that are R, G and B). I should have said all standardized color photographic file formats. RAW only stores a single color value per pixel. alex
RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
Ryan, I am in Terrigal NSW. 1 hour from the hunter valley, Blue mountains, Sydney, Barrington Tops etc. Actually the Hunter Valley area offers heaps of photographic opportunities from Wollombi to the Barrington including rural towns. Settled in the early 1800 and is peppered with heaps of old stone churches, pubs and homes. Bob Rapp -Original Message- From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 17 December 2003 10:41 PM To: PDML Subject: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)* Hi all, Regarding the Aussie GFM (I'm aware of the incorrectness of this term, but it's catchy.. we can give it a name of its own when we know where it is!), there doesn't seem to be much of a plan as yet. As such, I've decided to compile the relevant info, hopefully in a format slightly more useful to the (brave) undertaking organiser, and attendees. This post is fairly long, so here's what's in it. - Aussie PDMLers (if you're missing please yell out) - Potential guests (see above.. and even if you've got the slightest inkling of a temptation to jump on a budget flight and come down here, that includes you too) - Suggestions (ideas where to go..) - Considerations (ands buts) I know it's still a while away, but I think it's nice to have a plan to sit on. Best Regards, Ryan **Updated population down under: Kevin Waterson (Port Macquarie, NSW) Trevor Bailey (Grafton, NSW) Rob Studdert (Hurtsville, NSW) Bob Rapp (Melbourne, VIC) Paul Ewins (Melbourne, VIC) Leon Altoff (Melbourne, VIC) Tanya Mayer (3 hours West of Mackay in the middle of whoopwhoop, QLD) John Coyle (Brisbane, QLD) Ryan Lee (Brisbane, QLD) -- **Possible globetrotters: -- Stan Halpin (Western Missouri, USA) My own schedule is still a bit up in the air. I am expecting a meeting in Adelaide, 31 Mar - 2 Apr, adjourning over the weekend, resuming in Canberra (?) 5-6 April. Assuming that this is in fact what comes down when our meeting host gets all of the proper decisions, the my wife and I will plan to arrive in Adelaide on about 26 March and spend the weekend in that general vicinity. The following weekend we'll move as called for by the meeting schedule, with time to ourselves along the way. John Francis (San Jose, California, USA) One of these years I'm going to get over to Surfer's Paradise for the CART (now OWRS) race. When I do, I'll probably take an extra week or two of vacation. **Suggestions to date (edited): Tanya Mayer (QLD) What about somewhere like the Whitsundays? Great Barrier Reef and sunny Queensland weather might be able to entice some overseas people for a lovely holiday - I will be happy to organise it if it was in that area, as it isn't too far from me... VERY picturesque stuff - we could even do a charter flight to whitehaven beach, snorkelling, skydiving (COOL pics there!) etc. GREAT sunsets and landscape photography opportunities... See here for more details about that place - it is just DIVINE... http://www.seewhitsundays.com/w/islands/picture.asp?image=images/whitehaven2 .jpg http://www.seewhitsundays.com/w/islands/picture.asp?image=images/beneteauatw hitehaven.jpg http://www.sailing-whitsundays.com/locations/listings/l0001.html http://www.geocities.com/awweir/Whitehaven_people.html http://www.whitsundaysonline.com/ Rob, I'm sure that G. would appreciate a tropical island getaway... (of course, the fact that the Whitsundays are only 4 hours from me, has nothing to do with my bias!) lol... Of course, at the opposite ends of the spectrum, there are places like the Hunter and Barossa Valleys, Blue Mountains etc. Another alternative could be the Maleny/Montville area on the Sunshine Coast - very picturesque. ---Kevin Waterson (NSW) Or... if you would like a NSW based outing I could perhaps help. Among other things, I am the owner of some beachfront holiday units. see this link http://www.oceania.net I would be happy to provide accommodation for some PDMLers free of charge. Our accommodations are humble, but clean and comfortable. I can arrange day outings to national parks, fishing, boat tours, fishing, camping grounds, fishing, long sandy beaches, fishing airplane flights for photography, and if we can squeeze it in, perhaps a spot of fishing. The whales have already passed us on their way south for the summer but dolphins are plentyful. We are close (30 mins) to mountains and national parks where our local camera club likes to visit for fungus and macro works. The waterfalls are a little lacklustre due to the drought at the moment, but a 2 hour drive north puts us in nearby bellingen where they abound. I do alot of modelling portfolios so if we need models we should be able to get a few together. --Bob Rapp (VIC) Did she (Tanya) mention Wolf Fang park. I think it is a bunch of volcano
Re: *istD North America Warranty
On the other hand I have gone into camera stores a spent an hour showing the salesperson how to use a particular camera. He sure as hell didn't buy it from me. (grin) If your salesperson does not use that opportunity to sell the guy some high markup accessories and film he is a pretty poor salesperson. -- Chris Brogden wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, mike.wilson wrote: Hi, Dave B wrote (regarding repair work of cameras bought outside the country): Actually Nikon will not do any work let alone warranty. H. So you turn up with their product, hand full of hot little dollars, and they say No, thank you? Sounds to me like they have both little business sense and rather too much repair work. It also makes me wonder even more about the durability of digicams. Two points. One, Nikon was doing this long before digital cameras came out, so it's not a digital issue specifically. Two, Nikon Canada's primary business is importing and selling cameras, not doing repairs. They offer repairs as a courtesy, often for little above their cost, to people who have purchased their cameras. They are not primarily a repair shop, and, while it would be nice if they serviced any Nikon brought to them, I can't really fault them for refusing to work on cameras that weren't purchased from them. In way of a comparison, I work at a reasonably small, family-owned camera store where the salespeople (well, most of them, anyway g) have a fair amount of knowledge about cameras and photography. I hate people who buy cameras from places like Costco or Best Buy to save a few bucks (without checking to see if we'd match prices), and then come into our store and expect me to spend an hour showing them how to use their camera. If you want service, buy from the company you plan on bringing the camera back to for servicing. chris -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re[3]: *istD and prime lens aperature
Hello alex, My mistake. I do believe that it is true of the printer though. That is why the resolution of an Epson is 1440 dpi but the resolution that we really think of is 300 dpi. This is due to dithering. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 10:18:57 AM, you wrote: aw On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Bruce Dayton wrote: One thing you are not factoring in to this issue is the output side. When the output is digital, you have the same basic problem. Each pixel is only one color. aw This is not true. All photographic file formats store R, G and B aw values for each pixel. Your display shows these at each pixel too aw (although some display types such as LCDs use subpixels that are next aw to each other that are R, G and B). aw You can sort of see those in this photograph: aw http://phred.org/~alex/pictures/scratch/reduced/IMGP1604.JPG aw That is a shot of text on a Dell 1702FP LCD monitor. It was shot with aw the *ist D and a reversed 50/1.4 lens. Remove reduced from the URL aw if you want to see the full resolution original. aw Most color scanners do capture R, G, and B for each pixel that they aw are scanning. aw alex
Re: *istD and prime lens aperature
Bruce Dayton wrote: My local labs no longer do analog. That means that my film is at a disadvantage. It is subject to their scanner/software limitations. The only alternative is to scan and manipulate the images myself. Same here - and to make things even worse, they have their printing machinery set well into the lower scan resolutions in the intrest of fast turnaround. Haven't been able to get decent film printing locally for several years now. The 3week turnaround for quality real photofinishing from an excellent lab all the way across the North American continent has basicly quashed any income potential from the sort of photographic product I would want my name on. After years of dumbing-down of the potential client base to the acceptance of mediocrity, photography has been reduced to a lowest cost commodity - just as George Eastman hoped for years ago! ;^) Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: (2) *istD North America Warrany
Of course you could ship it to Nikon USA for repairs. There should be no duties involved. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know Nikon is the second worst offender at that. Mamiya USA is the first. I have not heard of any other major brands refusing to work on gray market cameras, though many will not honor the warranty. I only realized this when i called Nikon in Mississauga Ontario to arrange for a CCD cleaning. I was asked for the s/n and the girl on the other end said it was a US camera,that they would not work on it.I mentioned i knew it was off warranty and was willing to pay cash money,but no was her answer. I talked to the service manager and he confirmed this HOWEVER Nikon Canada would clean the CCD but that was it. BTW this is ONLY for digital cameras,not film cameras or lenses. Dave(more carefull how he buys things now)Brooks -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Powerpoint
Then we can look at it another way, a person who makes a possibly life threatening multi-million dollar decision from a twenty minute PowerPoint presentation certainly fits my definition of a fool. Of course, the adviser who presents it that way fits my definition of incompetent. -- Chaso DeChaso wrote: Interesting take, blaming the misuse of software for a problem, rather than those who misued the software. Well said. I get to see quite a few ppt presentations at work and they never impress me. It has nothing to do with ppt itself - they're just bad presentations. Well, this oversimplifies the problem by underestimating the way in which tools condition our thinking and condition the problems and solutions at hand. It is also surprising that anyone would casually and quickly reject a thinker such as Tufte trying to tell us something. I would not say the medium IS the message but certainly it alters, limits, abstracts the message in various ways. This may happen independent of our best intentions. It is overly idealistic to imagine that humans are these perfect things hovering high above the world making decisions; in fact we are immersed in the world and are conditioned by its perameters. Our thinking is conditioned by the language we happen to use as well as by the software we select (or have selected for us, for the most part). No matter how perfect we think we are, a presentation is going to be different with different media - people will learn different things. We make different mistakes when using different tools. Engineering projects have different types of failures based upon different types of software, and versus doing things by hand. Assuming humans haven't changed, this focuses the attention on the role of the media and methods thereof. Also, at the extreme, different types of projects become possible and impossible. Humans are not limitlessly creative or vigiland therefore we rely upon convention, precedent, technique, culture, tools, etc. to influence answers - this is a part of life and not necessarily bad. (Most pieces written on piano are different than those written on guitar - and few are capable of dreaming up complete pieces in the abstract not associated with instrumentation, while laying in bed...even they are conditioned by memory of the instruments). Given that this is a fact, one can then turn attention toward laying a certain amount of blame on tools and methods that are more mistake prone in certain contexts. Powerpoint is certainly a media which predisposes one to certain errors mainly related to oversimplification as Tufte argues. Yes, if we were almost perfect and nearly godlike we would catch every mistake and only have ourselves to blame, but in fact as soon as one relies on a tool and gives over some responsibility to the tool (which we must and always do) then we can speak about the influence of the tool itself and about how for example powerpoint may have been a legitimate contributing factor the shuttle disaster. Chaso __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Konica Minolta?
I saw an ad on TV last night for a camera and the logo on the ad was the usual Minolta globe, but the name was Konica Minolta. Who bought who? Bill
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Re: A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you
Thanks for the Christmas wish and interesting image, Don. A Happy Christmas and a great New Year to you and yours! Pat White
Re: Another ebay scam!
Christian wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, there's much more: Route 666 - Way of the Beast There used to be a real US HWY 666. This year it was renamed to US 491 Christian And I travelled it - to the Bisti Badlands and between (roughly) Gallop and Cortez any number of times. But there was a lot of superstition about it on the res - guess that is why it was changed. Oh yeah, one of the photos in SIGN LANGUAGE was taken along rt 666. Lobo Pet Grooming and Cemetary. :) annsan
FS: Black MX user, wonky meter
I'll probably post this again on Friday, but here's an early opportunity: I have a bargain condition black MX for sale. The meter started behaving erratically and I found it was not worth repairing the meter. It works beautifully otherwise, and I had it CLA'd early this year. It does have some cleaning scratches on the mirror (not mine!) but the viewfinder is clear. It's the quieter (and newer) variety of MX, without the loud shutter ping that some have (and with the plastic memo holder), and would make a great meterless camera, street camera, or for use with flash or infrared film. It has some light brassing on the sharp corners, but otherwise the black finish is fine. I can include your choice of screens, either the standard split screen plus microprism or the SA 3, which is a microprism circle only with improved performance meant for lenses of f/2.8 and faster. I'll include a body cap, original Pentax strap, and a generic brand neverready case, which is useful for storage when you're not using the camera. How does $85 including shipping (to the continental U.S.) sound? Joe -- Joe Wilensky Staff Writer Communication and Marketing Services 1150 Comstock Hall Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853-2601 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: 607-255-1575 fax: 607-255-9873
Re: Konica Minolta?
on 12/17/03 8:51 PM, Bill Owens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw an ad on TV last night for a camera and the logo on the ad was the usual Minolta globe, but the name was Konica Minolta. Who bought who? Konica bought Minolta. -- Regards Sylwek
Re: Konica Minolta?
Konica bought Minolta --- Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw an ad on TV last night for a camera and the logo on the ad was the usual Minolta globe, but the name was Konica Minolta. Who bought who? Bill __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Re: Powerpoint
Another problem is that some problems cannot be simplified beyond a certain point. If the decision makers don't have enough technical literacy to make the decision or the sense to give it to someone that does then problesm will occur. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: *istD and prime lens aperature
Bruce Dayton wrote: Hello Pieter, One thing you are not factoring in to this issue is the output side. When the output is digital, you have the same basic problem. Each pixel is only one color. What you are really referring to is a dithering pattern. All inkjet printers do this, monitors do this and I believe digital mini-labs do this. So in fact, the color doesn't have to be faked as much as it has to be patterned. The downside to this is that certain patterns (especially man-made) could come out looking wrong. The natural random nature of film grain tends to hide this rather than accentuate it. I don't think the Foveon crowd has quite as much advantage as you think. They still have to create a dither pattern from the sensor data as each pixel can only store 1 color. One correction here, the Foveon has a special photosite technology that allows it to capture a full R,G,B pixel on each photosite, whereas everyone else has a single R or G or B value per photosite, which forces an interpolation of adjacent sites to get a full RGB value, so the color is based on several photosites instead of just 1. This is why the Foveon crowd is so passionate about their stuff. If they came up with a 6Mp Foveon chip with the same size as the 10D or *istD chip, it would blow the socks off those chips. But the technology is still in its infancy, the best they have is a 3Mp or so chip right now with I think a 1.6 factor. Only time will tell which technology will win out, Bayer or Foveon. I for one am happy with my *istD, but I wouldn't mind Pentax putting in a 6Mp Foveon chip in the next DSLR. :) Using film as a beginning but moving it to digital output is not much different than the Foveon, capturing all three colors at 1 pixel point but then creating a dither pattern out of it. Either the scanner or Foveon chip do this. I suspect that the layout pattern of the CCD/CMOS chip pretty much regulate this. In the end, it all comes out in the wash. The only real comparison would be between a purely analog film process vs a digital capture/output. My local labs no longer do analog. That means that my film is at a disadvantage. It is subject to their scanner/software limitations. The only alternative is to scan and manipulate the images myself. Food for thought.
Re: FS: Black MX user, wonky meter
What exactly is wonky about the meter? Did they tell you the problem when it got CLA'ed? Unfortunately, my last experience getting an MX CLA'ed resulted in the camera coming back nonfunctional. *grumble* must do something about that one of these days... -Mat I have a bargain condition black MX for sale. The meter started behaving erratically and I found it was not worth repairing the meter. It works beautifully otherwise, and I had it CLA'd early this year. It does have some cleaning scratches on the mirror (not mine!) but the viewfinder is clear. It's the quieter (and newer) variety of MX, without the loud shutter ping that some have (and with the plastic memo holder), and would make a great meterless camera, street camera, or for use with flash or infrared film. It has some light brassing on the sharp corners, but otherwise the black finish is fine.
Re: *istD and prime lens aperature
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:11:19AM -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote: One thing you are not factoring in to this issue is the output side. When the output is digital, you have the same basic problem. Each pixel is only one color. Just because, at the output side, printers need to dither dots on paper to create colors, does not mean that any penalties you paid at the input side are irrelevant. It's like saying printing enlargements magnifies grain anyway, so there's not so much benefit in using finer-grained film over coarse-grained film as you'd think. Dithering means the printer has to make compromises to try and reach the colour you want at a point. If you add uncertainty about *which* colour it should try to reach into the mix (like with an interpolated Bayer-matrix CCD), things get worse. I believe digital mini-labs do this. So in fact, the color doesn't have to be faked as much as it has to be patterned. The downside to this is that certain patterns (especially man-made) could come out looking wrong. The natural random nature of film grain tends to hide this rather than accentuate it. Film, with its pixels all a mix of random sizes and shapes, distributed randomly, even over and behind each other, has a huge advantage over digital due to this. I don't think the naively religious digital crowd realizes this. Sometimes I hear of someones who scans a negative, sees (they think) the first film grain, and then concludes that any higher resolution scan of the film is therefore fruitless. They don't seem to realize there's smaller grains yet to be resolved, after the first big one's they thought you saw. -- ,_ /_) /| / / i e t e r/ |/ a g e l
Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...
ROFLOL - Cotty, when did you find the time to model for that?!!?!? and my favourite - a character in a poster: http://vintage-art-posters.junglewalk.com/Cotty-Poster-398868.asp tan.
Re: Powerpoint
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:43:41 -0500 From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Powerpoint Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then we can look at it another way, a person who makes a possibly life threatening multi-million dollar decision from a twenty minute PowerPoint presentation certainly fits my definition of a fool. Of course, the adviser who presents it that way fits my definition of incompetent. [graywolf] Well, I'm not going to defend Nasa, and I would assume there's some incompetence there - nor would I wish to preach to someone like you who I know has more life experience than I do - but consider that a particular director faces maybe 5,000 decisions which could later turn out to have been life threatening - some maybe even based on a quick phone conversation or chance thought. That powerpoint presentation may have had 50 other points which were taken casually and rightly so - though if one of them HAD caused a problem we'd go back and say I can't believe he didn't take it seriously. Almost anything that goes wrong is on a memo on someone's desk (well, more lately, in an email) but if we scrutinized every memo to death we'd never be able to build a mousetrap let alone a shuttle. Somewhere was some information on the 9-11 attacks which shouldn't have been ignored but also there were probably 8 other bits of info about fake things or things that didn't happen and that in a sense should have been ignored. We can get rid of all shortcuts (and I would argue we should get rid of a lot of our software) but we would certainly have to accept the consequences such as not being able to do things in a given time or at all. Let me just reiterate that I do agree that there may well be some incompetence in terms of judgment errors. Chaso = Chaso DeChaso Less is more cheap - Osvaldo Valdes, Architect __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/
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Re[3]: *istD and prime lens aperature
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Bruce Dayton wrote: My mistake. I do believe that it is true of the printer though. That is why the resolution of an Epson is 1440 dpi but the resolution that we really think of is 300 dpi. This is due to dithering. It is true of inkjet printers, but printer resolution is way above the camera's sensor resolution when you are making 8x10 prints. The printer also doesn't have the same gradiations in tone that a pixel (camera or display) does and the dithering process has nothing in common with the bayer process used by cameras. Other printers can print full color at each of their pixels. alex
Re: Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF
On 17/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I am thinking of buying Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF. I have read this lens is better than Tokina Tamron. I would like to hear from the users of this lens. Buying Pentax is ruled out because of the hefty price. I used to have this lens in PKAF and now in EOS. I find it a fairly well- built lens with a very useful max aperture of f/2.8. The size and weight are not objectionable (at this focal range and aperture, these lenses are not flyweights!) and hand-holding is comfortable. The tripod collar is completely removable, but I find it better to keep it on, even when hand-holding. A tightening nut on the collar allows lens rotation while on a tripod. Optically it is not bad, read the tests for the lens elsewhere online. I have found it a good performer even wide open. Let's face it - why buy a fast zoom if you're never going to use it wide open? It's a good sport lens in low light. Stops down to f/32. Front element does not rotate, and lens stays the same shape and length at any focus/focal length. The zoom ring grip is okay. Personally I prefer the PK or Canon or Tokina rubber grips, but it's fine on the Sigma. Nice wide area to turn, even with gloves on. The focus ring is even bigger and the manual focus overrides the AF, so it's easy to let AF get you in the ballpark, then tweak in manual if desired. Very good system for this. The hood is a so-called 'perfect hood', shaped like a petal, is a bayonet fit and you'll look a real pro with that lot drooping off the end of your MZ-50 ;-) The hood is reversible so you can carry it on the lens the wrong way around if you like. Comes with a nice quality fabric lens case. All in all, for the money it's a good piece of glass and used with the matched 1.4X and 2X converters gives much flexibility with telephoto coverage in your kit. On a less-than-full-frame DSLR, gives a very useful 'effective' 300mm plus at f/2.8 and that's a real bonus. On a 35mm film camera, is a good lens to have for anything from portraiture to landscape to wildlife and beyond. Of course I would rather have a 70-200 2.8 USM IS, or the Pentax if I still used Pentax, but until I devote more than a grand to that cause, the Sigma is a pretty good buy. Best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Need photo printer recommendation
Mark E posted this and other stuff about printers -- all very interesting but Epson 2200 $650 --- (snip) Suffers from metamerism (colors look different under different light sources), ^ Huh? Um - don't all things look different under different light sources? What am I missing? ann(moonlight becomes me, it goes with my hair...)san
RE: Powerpoint
Don't hold back now...tell us what you really think! ;-) -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Powerpoint Then we can look at it another way, a person who makes a possibly life threatening multi-million dollar decision from a twenty minute PowerPoint presentation certainly fits my definition of a fool. Of course, the adviser who presents it that way fits my definition of incompetent. -- Chaso DeChaso wrote: Interesting take, blaming the misuse of software for a problem, rather than those who misued the software. Well said. I get to see quite a few ppt presentations at work and they never impress me. It has nothing to do with ppt itself - they're just bad presentations. Well, this oversimplifies the problem by underestimating the way in which tools condition our thinking and condition the problems and solutions at hand. It is also surprising that anyone would casually and quickly reject a thinker such as Tufte trying to tell us something. I would not say the medium IS the message but certainly it alters, limits, abstracts the message in various ways. This may happen independent of our best intentions. It is overly idealistic to imagine that humans are these perfect things hovering high above the world making decisions; in fact we are immersed in the world and are conditioned by its perameters. Our thinking is conditioned by the language we happen to use as well as by the software we select (or have selected for us, for the most part). No matter how perfect we think we are, a presentation is going to be different with different media - people will learn different things. We make different mistakes when using different tools. Engineering projects have different types of failures based upon different types of software, and versus doing things by hand. Assuming humans haven't changed, this focuses the attention on the role of the media and methods thereof. Also, at the extreme, different types of projects become possible and impossible. Humans are not limitlessly creative or vigiland therefore we rely upon convention, precedent, technique, culture, tools, etc. to influence answers - this is a part of life and not necessarily bad. (Most pieces written on piano are different than those written on guitar - and few are capable of dreaming up complete pieces in the abstract not associated with instrumentation, while laying in bed...even they are conditioned by memory of the instruments). Given that this is a fact, one can then turn attention toward laying a certain amount of blame on tools and methods that are more mistake prone in certain contexts. Powerpoint is certainly a media which predisposes one to certain errors mainly related to oversimplification as Tufte argues. Yes, if we were almost perfect and nearly godlike we would catch every mistake and only have ourselves to blame, but in fact as soon as one relies on a tool and gives over some responsibility to the tool (which we must and always do) then we can speak about the influence of the tool itself and about how for example powerpoint may have been a legitimate contributing factor the shuttle disaster. Chaso __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2
I bought it on eBay a few years back. I like the heft and feel of the lens on the LX. The Rikenons are hard to come by. I had planned to sell mine, but it turns into an effective 82mm f1.2 on the *ist-D. While you loose metering, it's an ideal lens for studio work (when the metering is done with a flash meter anyhow.) - MCC At 01:45 PM 12/17/2003 +1000, you wrote: Fascinating, Mark.. yet another curious lens (to me).. I can't find much info on the Rikenon either. May I ask where you found it? And would anyone know a good source, other than the sometimes wonderful eBay, for rarer lenses? Rgds, Ryan - Original Message - From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Cosina 55mm 1.2 Interesting. I have the Rikenon 55 f1.2. Looks a lot like the Cosina: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/DSCN5747.JPG I thought I read some comments that indicated the two are totally different, but from the looks of it they appear to be the same lens. The Rikennon is an exceptional lens, IMO. - MCC At 02:09 AM 12/17/2003 +1000, you wrote: Hi, I'm sure someone's asked this before, but I probably missed it. I was just window shopping yahoo auctions (japan) for any interesting stuff (can't understand the words but hey.. pretty pictures). Didn't see anything Pentax I haven't seen before, but I came across the Cosina 55mm f1.2 manual focus for Pentax mount: http://page3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c41939525 Just wondering if anyone's got any experience with this lens and how it matches up to our 50mm f1.2.. Thx, Ryan - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF
Ramesh, I own the sample that used to be Cotty's... It's good value for the money. I don't know how it compares to Tokina and Tamron, but if I ever upgrade to the Pentax lens, it will be for two reasons; close focus range, which is 1.8 meters on the Sigma, 1.4 meters on the Pentax. multicoating. The Sigma loose much contrast when shooting with the light against you. Jostein Quoting Ramesh Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am thinking of buying Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF. I have read this lens is better than Tokina Tamron. I would like to hear from the users of this lens. Buying Pentax is ruled out because of the hefty price. Thanks Ramesh __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...
You bet TPB's rule!! At least they did. I just read yesterday that Salter Street Productions in Halifax went under. Didn't they do Trailer Park Boys? I know they did This Hour has 22 Minutes. I heard that TPB's is doing very well selling abroad, so maybe someone will pick them up. Hope so. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend... Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:39:17 -0800 Trailer Park Boys rule!!! Well, Sunnyvale Trailer Park, anyway. Just sent the 1st two seasons DVD to my brother in California for some CanCon (Canadian Content) in his video viewing. Now he's really glad to be in California. Pat White _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...
Dude, What are you doing walking around with that nekkid boy in the little bathtub? There's a Whacko Jacko joke in there somewhere, but this is a family list... cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://vintage-art-posters.junglewalk.com/Cotty-Poster-398868.asp Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...
Rue Gravel? Oh no! Precious indeed! keith Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: ROFLOL - Cotty, when did you find the time to model for that?!!?!? and my favourite - a character in a poster: http://vintage-art-posters.junglewalk.com/Cotty-Poster-398868.asp tan.
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
Dag T: Don't forget Sheshatshit, Labrador! :) ...or Hell, Norway It finally happened: http://irc.evtek.fi/urllog/2003/12/12/It_finally_happened.jpg anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/
Re: Enabled
I'm clearly not Hip enough to like Bjork's music. I just like weird women, is all... And she fits the bill! (swan bill, that is...) vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Enabled Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:54:26 +1000 Just had to drop something about Bjork (sorry about my OT tendencies!) (her music more than her, Frank..snip _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF
I forgot to say HSM. Did you use HSM version or non-HSM version? I read reviews at photo.net. Few people said that HSM facility will be used incase of Minolta body. Is HSM going to work on MZ-5n *istD(for future)? Thanks for detailed review. Ramesh --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I am thinking of buying Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF. I have read this lens is better than Tokina Tamron. I would like to hear from the users of this lens. Buying Pentax is ruled out because of the hefty price. I used to have this lens in PKAF and now in EOS. I find it a fairly well- built lens with a very useful max aperture of f/2.8. The size and weight are not objectionable (at this focal range and aperture, these lenses are not flyweights!) and hand-holding is comfortable. The tripod collar is completely removable, but I find it better to keep it on, even when hand-holding. A tightening nut on the collar allows lens rotation while on a tripod. Optically it is not bad, read the tests for the lens elsewhere online. I have found it a good performer even wide open. Let's face it - why buy a fast zoom if you're never going to use it wide open? It's a good sport lens in low light. Stops down to f/32. Front element does not rotate, and lens stays the same shape and length at any focus/focal length. The zoom ring grip is okay. Personally I prefer the PK or Canon or Tokina rubber grips, but it's fine on the Sigma. Nice wide area to turn, even with gloves on. The focus ring is even bigger and the manual focus overrides the AF, so it's easy to let AF get you in the ballpark, then tweak in manual if desired. Very good system for this. The hood is a so-called 'perfect hood', shaped like a petal, is a bayonet fit and you'll look a real pro with that lot drooping off the end of your MZ-50 ;-) The hood is reversible so you can carry it on the lens the wrong way around if you like. Comes with a nice quality fabric lens case. All in all, for the money it's a good piece of glass and used with the matched 1.4X and 2X converters gives much flexibility with telephoto coverage in your kit. On a less-than-full-frame DSLR, gives a very useful 'effective' 300mm plus at f/2.8 and that's a real bonus. On a 35mm film camera, is a good lens to have for anything from portraiture to landscape to wildlife and beyond. Of course I would rather have a 70-200 2.8 USM IS, or the Pentax if I still used Pentax, but until I devote more than a grand to that cause, the Sigma is a pretty good buy. Best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
RE: FS: Black MX user, wonky meter
Grumble, grumble, grumble... And this, with Christmas around the corner, lots of shopping yet to do, and the inevitable post Chrismas bills - not to mention a Leica CL that's recently had the lens CLA'ed, and is ready for pickup. What I wouldn't do for a black MX, even w/o a meter! Sigh... vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FS: Black MX user, wonky meter Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:17:43 -0500 I'll probably post this again on Friday, but here's an early opportunity: I have a bargain condition black MX for sale. The meter started behaving erratically and I found it was not worth repairing the meter. It works beautifully otherwise, and I had it CLA'd early this year. It does have some cleaning scratches on the mirror (not mine!) but the viewfinder is clear. It's the quieter (and newer) variety of MX, without the loud shutter ping that some have (and with the plastic memo holder), and would make a great meterless camera, street camera, or for use with flash or infrared film. It has some light brassing on the sharp corners, but otherwise the black finish is fine. I can include your choice of screens, either the standard split screen plus microprism or the SA 3, which is a microprism circle only with improved performance meant for lenses of f/2.8 and faster. I'll include a body cap, original Pentax strap, and a generic brand neverready case, which is useful for storage when you're not using the camera. How does $85 including shipping (to the continental U.S.) sound? Joe -- Joe Wilensky Staff Writer Communication and Marketing Services 1150 Comstock Hall Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853-2601 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: 607-255-1575 fax: 607-255-9873 _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Re[2]: artifacts
well bruce, i've tried that. it only seems to show up in the sky. - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: arnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: Re[2]: artifacts Hello arnie, Any light colored relatively uniform surface would work. You aren't trying to take a beautiful photo here, just test the sensor. Point a light at a light colored wall and take a picture of it. It's not like you are going to waste film :) Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 4:59:46 AM, you wrote: a well i tried cleaning the sensor, however because i can only see the spots a on the sky, i'm going to have to wait to test it. we are supposed to get a around 2 inches of rain today here in nyc. a thanks for all the help a arnie a - Original Message - a From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] a To: arnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] a Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:56 PM a Subject: Re: artifacts Hello arnie, Looks very much like dust on the sensor. I had one dust spot on mine. It could easily be seen by setting on B and holding the shutter open. A small puff of air took care of it for me. My friend's Nikon D100 had the exact same issue. 2 or 3 spots on his. Since I had just cleared mine, he showed me a couple of shots and I spotted it right away. He checked and sure enough - dust. Again, for him just a puff or two of air cleaned it. Bruce Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 4:58:40 PM, you wrote: a i got this problem on my istD that happens with all my lenses. there a are a about 5-14 (depends on type of picture) dark spots appear. its not the a lens a because they appear in the exact same position every time. it also a seems to a show up worse on blue sky than anything else. a i put the worst one as a full size jpg exactly as it came off the card a online http://www.xdstech.com/istd/IMGP0522.JPG a the shot was taken with the fa 135mm 2.8 a 1/3000 a f13 a it was shot with the sun just at the edge of the roof. i count 13 spots a (some quite faint and some glaring) a any idea what it might be? dirt on the sensor? a arnie
Re: *istD and prime lens aperature
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:16:56 +0200, you wrote: snip ... then concludes that any higher resolution scan of the film is therefore fruitless. They don't seem to realize there's smaller grains yet to be resolved, after the first big one's they thought you saw. Wow. More grain. Just what I wanted. Can't wait to resolve right down to the atoms. Bet film has more atoms than digital, too. Seriously, there is lots of fine talk and hair splitting and techno info, which I find fascinating and informative. However, it seems a lot of PDMLers have mostly quit using film, not by initial choice or plan, but because they bought a digicam or DSLR of 5-10 mp, and as they used it came to realize its digital sensor resolution provides very satisfactory results for the most of their photo needs. By the way - where the heck is Pal now that the *istD has arrived? Where are ya, ol' friend? Hope you didn't slip off that Zodiak with the 600/4 anchored to you... -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re[4]: artifacts
Hello arnie, Have you tried looking at the sensor itself? I could see the dust speck on mine. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 3:45:37 PM, you wrote: a well bruce, i've tried that. it only seems to show up in the sky. a - Original Message - a From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] a To: arnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] a Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:23 AM a Subject: Re[2]: artifacts Hello arnie, Any light colored relatively uniform surface would work. You aren't trying to take a beautiful photo here, just test the sensor. Point a light at a light colored wall and take a picture of it. It's not like you are going to waste film :) Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 4:59:46 AM, you wrote: a well i tried cleaning the sensor, however because i can only see the a spots a on the sky, i'm going to have to wait to test it. we are supposed to a get a around 2 inches of rain today here in nyc. a thanks for all the help a arnie a - Original Message - a From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] a To: arnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] a Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:56 PM a Subject: Re: artifacts Hello arnie, Looks very much like dust on the sensor. I had one dust spot on mine. It could easily be seen by setting on B and holding the shutter open. A small puff of air took care of it for me. My friend's Nikon D100 had the exact same issue. 2 or 3 spots on his. Since I had just cleared mine, he showed me a couple of shots and I spotted it right away. He checked and sure enough - dust. Again, for him just a puff or two of air cleaned it. Bruce Tuesday, December 16, 2003, 4:58:40 PM, you wrote: a i got this problem on my istD that happens with all my lenses. there a are a about 5-14 (depends on type of picture) dark spots appear. its not a the a lens a because they appear in the exact same position every time. it also a seems to a show up worse on blue sky than anything else. a i put the worst one as a full size jpg exactly as it came off the a card a online http://www.xdstech.com/istd/IMGP0522.JPG a the shot was taken with the fa 135mm 2.8 a 1/3000 a f13 a it was shot with the sun just at the edge of the roof. i count 13 a spots a (some quite faint and some glaring) a any idea what it might be? dirt on the sensor? a arnie
RE: Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF
HSM wont be built into any Pentax mount lenses, because the mount does not support it. I tested both the 70-200 f2.8 and the 100-300 f4.0 a year and a half ago. Both were pretty similar in terms of performance and the size difference was surprisingly not much at all. Both VERY good performers. I had a hard time deciding, but eventually put the longer reach ahead of the wider aperture in my crieria. I found that most of my shots for this type of lenswere over 200mm and sometimes even 300 was only just enough. If I were making the choice today, based on *istD usage, I would go the other way because the 70-200 becomes an effective 300 which would have been enough and the f2.8 would have been nice. I would still go for the longer reach personally for full frame work. -Original Message- From: Ramesh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2003 23:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF I forgot to say HSM. Did you use HSM version or non-HSM version? I read reviews at photo.net. Few people said that HSM facility will be used incase of Minolta body. Is HSM going to work on MZ-5n *istD(for future)? Thanks for detailed review. Ramesh --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I am thinking of buying Sigma Zoom Telephoto 70-200mm f/2.8 EX APO IF. I have read this lens is better than Tokina Tamron. I would like to hear from the users of this lens. Buying Pentax is ruled out because of the hefty price. I used to have this lens in PKAF and now in EOS. I find it a fairly well- built lens with a very useful max aperture of f/2.8. The size and weight are not objectionable (at this focal range and aperture, these lenses are not flyweights!) and hand-holding is comfortable. The tripod collar is completely removable, but I find it better to keep it on, even when hand-holding. A tightening nut on the collar allows lens rotation while on a tripod. Optically it is not bad, read the tests for the lens elsewhere online. I have found it a good performer even wide open. Let's face it - why buy a fast zoom if you're never going to use it wide open? It's a good sport lens in low light. Stops down to f/32. Front element does not rotate, and lens stays the same shape and length at any focus/focal length. The zoom ring grip is okay. Personally I prefer the PK or Canon or Tokina rubber grips, but it's fine on the Sigma. Nice wide area to turn, even with gloves on. The focus ring is even bigger and the manual focus overrides the AF, so it's easy to let AF get you in the ballpark, then tweak in manual if desired. Very good system for this. The hood is a so-called 'perfect hood', shaped like a petal, is a bayonet fit and you'll look a real pro with that lot drooping off the end of your MZ-50 ;-) The hood is reversible so you can carry it on the lens the wrong way around if you like. Comes with a nice quality fabric lens case. All in all, for the money it's a good piece of glass and used with the matched 1.4X and 2X converters gives much flexibility with telephoto coverage in your kit. On a less-than-full-frame DSLR, gives a very useful 'effective' 300mm plus at f/2.8 and that's a real bonus. On a 35mm film camera, is a good lens to have for anything from portraiture to landscape to wildlife and beyond. Of course I would rather have a 70-200 2.8 USM IS, or the Pentax if I still used Pentax, but until I devote more than a grand to that cause, the Sigma is a pretty good buy. Best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
ZX-L and old lenses
I've been using a Super Program, and I'm considering getting a ZX-L. I see on Pentax's web site for the ZX-L specifications that it only takes FA, F, A lenses. I have some old screwmount lenses and an M, as well as two A's. Does the ZX-L really not work with M, K, screwmount lenses at all, or does this just mean that you can't set the aperature with the selector thing on the camera body? And/or, that you don't see the aperature setting indicated in the viewfinder? Or other limitations? Of course, I'm aware that I won't get autofocus with screwmount, K, M, A lenses. But if it will mount them, meter through them, stop down the selected aperature automatically for the shot (with K, M, A lenses), that's all I would hope for or need. Thanks, Greg
Re: FS: Black MX user, wonky meter
It worked fine for a while, then suddenly seemed at least three stops off, although it wasn't consistent. My repair guy didn't have any MX meter parts or parts MX bodies and would have had to send it out to someone else he knows, which would have been nearly $100, so I figured it wasn't worth it. I do have a chrome MX that's working fine, including the meter, but it's not for sale ... ;-) Joe On Dec 17, 2003, at 4:14 PM, Mat Maessen wrote: What exactly is wonky about the meter? Did they tell you the problem when it got CLA'ed? Unfortunately, my last experience getting an MX CLA'ed resulted in the camera coming back nonfunctional. *grumble* must do something about that one of these days... -Mat I have a bargain condition black MX for sale. The meter started behaving erratically and I found it was not worth repairing the meter. It works beautifully otherwise, and I had it CLA'd early this year. It does have some cleaning scratches on the mirror (not mine!) but the viewfinder is clear. It's the quieter (and newer) variety of MX, without the loud shutter ping that some have (and with the plastic memo holder), and would make a great meterless camera, street camera, or for use with flash or infrared film. It has some light brassing on the sharp corners, but otherwise the black finish is fine.
Re: Color correction software
these are standalone, not plugins. makes them less useful. Herb - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Color correction software On 16 Dec 2003 at 16:46, Andre Langevin wrote: Are there any Photoshop plug-ins to correct color balance due to a difference between color temperatures of film lighting. For example 2700 oK (bulbs) to 5500 oK (film). PC based http://www.mediachance.com/digicam/filtersim.htm
Re: *istD and prime lens aperature
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:52:13PM -0700, John Mustarde wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:16:56 +0200, you wrote: snip ... then concludes that any higher resolution scan of the film is therefore fruitless. They don't seem to realize there's smaller grains yet to be resolved, after the first big one's they thought you saw. Wow. More grain. Just what I wanted. Can't wait to resolve right down to the atoms. Bet film has more atoms than digital, too. This is what I find fascinating - the idea that the grain is an absolutely irrelevant detail divorced from the image, when in fact the grains are the one and only embodiment of the image. It is the fact that that large film grain is actually a cluster of smaller grains, or not, which adds finer tonal information. It's not the grains themselves I want to see; just the finer shades of gray they embody. The atoms are the image; up to a reasonable point. -- ,_ /_) /| / / i e t e r/ |/ a g e l
Re: Fantasy about New HD from Toshiba
so far, it's been OK. it does draw more battery power than solid state and it's not usable above 10,000 feet or at temperatures too low. however, i have 2G of ordinary solid state CF for cold conditions. i haven't yet run out of battery power before running out of storage. speed seems adequate. i don't have a guess as to dust sensitivity, but i suspect that if there is enough dust to affect its operation, your camera will be in serious trouble. the main issue is cost per megabyte. i wanted to get a 4G solid state card too, but it's a lot more money and not a lot faster. a 1GB card gives only 70 shots. that's not enough. rolls of 36 film were very annoying once you have started using a digital camera with adequate memory. Herb... - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Fantasy about New HD from Toshiba Herb and other microdrive users: What do you think of it? A 4GB microdrive is $500. A 4GB CF card is $1200. The storage problem is a big reason why I am keeping my film cameras. They will get used mainly in travel, or in dusty field locations.
RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
I am actually leaving on Sunday for Steamboat Colorado. No need to take or buy colour film - it will be waist deep white and cold. Because Australia is such an old land mass, all of the photographic features have eroded long before man hit the continent. Bob -Original Message- From: Kevin Waterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 2:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)* This one time, at band camp, Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As large as OZ is and the closeness of our Kiwi friends, I would not rule out the South Island - now that place is stunning. I guess 'stunning' is subjective. A friend in Norway said he would love to visit Oz to do some photo shooting. I told him there is not much to photo that is out of the ordinary, Kanagroos, beaches, mountains etc. He said he had the same problem, nothing to photograph but glaciers etc. How I would love that. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re[2]: *istD North America Warranty
The issue of availability is a bit of a sore point with me. People who buy mail-order for high-end items to avoid a waiting period contribute to a vicious circle. Customers buy mail-order because they can't get it locally, but the local stores don't see the point in carrying it if no one ever orders it from them. Sure, in an idea world your small, local, family-owned camera store would have the money to be able to keep high-end products from every manufacturer in stock at all times, but the unfortunate reality is that this is horrendously expensive. Also, items that sit unsold will cost the owner money, as dealer net cost (and the resulting street value) drops over time. You can't really blame a dealer for only being able to stock the products that actually sell. If people began ordering high-end items through them, they'd see that such a market exists, and might begin stocking similar items. If people only buy mail-order for the big stuff, then the local dealer will just assume that there's no local market for it, and that it's not worth bringing in. Price is a different issue, of course, and you'll have to decide how much extra it's worth to you to support local businesses. If yours charges significantly more than mail-order and isn't flexible with their pricing (always give them the chance to make you an offer), then mail order makes sense. Otherwise, if the price is fair, you may find it worth the three week wait to show your local store that there is a market for upper-end Pentax gear. A few more purchases like that, and you might be surprised how much easier it gets for the owner to justify stocking lenses like that on a regular basis. chris On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Bruce Dayton wrote: I buy from my local store quite often. However, there are times, when the price difference is not a few bucks, but hundreds. If the difference is less than $50, pretty much I use the local store. The other problem with the local store is selection/availability. I just bought an FA*24/2 from NY because the local store would take 3-4 weeks to get it. Generally if they have to order one, the price is higher, too. So bottom line is I buy from the store whenever I can, especially if I went in to look at something and they took the time to work with me. Bruce Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 8:51:52 AM, you wrote: In way of a comparison, I work at a reasonably small, family-owned camera store where the salespeople (well, most of them, anyway g) have a fair amount of knowledge about cameras and photography. I hate people who buy cameras from places like Costco or Best Buy to save a few bucks (without checking to see if we'd match prices), and then come into our store and expect me to spend an hour showing them how to use their camera. If you want service, buy from the company you plan on bringing the camera back to for servicing. mw I agree with everything you say. Sad that there is not one near to me mw that I would trust. Although there is a camera repair organisation mw (closer to me than any camera shop) that everyone around here uses for mw non-warranty stuff. mw mike
Re: *istD North America Warranty
The type of people who buy digital cameras from electronics companies like Future Shop, or from Walmart, aren't the least bit interested in buying high markup accessories from us. They've already bought their genuine Viking brand memory card from Costco and their Power-tron 1600 mAh batteries from Radio Shack to fit their brand-new Centurion digital camera. They just want us to take an hour out of our day and show them how to use the craptacular camera that the Future Shop salesperson has no idea how to use. Of course this is a sweeping generalization, but it works for me. :) chris On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, graywolf wrote: On the other hand I have gone into camera stores a spent an hour showing the salesperson how to use a particular camera. He sure as hell didn't buy it from me. (grin) If your salesperson does not use that opportunity to sell the guy some high markup accessories and film he is a pretty poor salesperson. -- Chris Brogden wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, mike.wilson wrote: Hi, Dave B wrote (regarding repair work of cameras bought outside the country): Actually Nikon will not do any work let alone warranty. H. So you turn up with their product, hand full of hot little dollars, and they say No, thank you? Sounds to me like they have both little business sense and rather too much repair work. It also makes me wonder even more about the durability of digicams. Two points. One, Nikon was doing this long before digital cameras came out, so it's not a digital issue specifically. Two, Nikon Canada's primary business is importing and selling cameras, not doing repairs. They offer repairs as a courtesy, often for little above their cost, to people who have purchased their cameras. They are not primarily a repair shop, and, while it would be nice if they serviced any Nikon brought to them, I can't really fault them for refusing to work on cameras that weren't purchased from them. In way of a comparison, I work at a reasonably small, family-owned camera store where the salespeople (well, most of them, anyway g) have a fair amount of knowledge about cameras and photography. I hate people who buy cameras from places like Costco or Best Buy to save a few bucks (without checking to see if we'd match prices), and then come into our store and expect me to spend an hour showing them how to use their camera. If you want service, buy from the company you plan on bringing the camera back to for servicing. chris -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Re[2]: *istD North America Warranty
On 17 Dec 2003 at 21:47, Chris Brogden wrote: Sure, in an idea world your small, local, family-owned camera store would have the money to be able to keep high-end products from every manufacturer in stock at all times, but the unfortunate reality is that this is horrendously expensive. And just to rub salt in the wounds I guess that the big stores/mail order shops would likely consign stock so their outlay would be after the fact. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Need photo printer recommendation
Mark Roberts wrote: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark E posted this and other stuff about printers -- all very interesting but Epson 2200 $650 --- (snip) Suffers from metamerism (colors look different under different light sources), ^ Huh? Um - don't all things look different under different light sources? What am I missing? Mark Roberts replied Yes, all things do look different under different light sources but metamerism refers to prints in which the various inks don't change *equally* under different light sources. The result is that a print that looks fine in daylight may look completely wonky under incandescent light (rather than just more orange overall, which your eyes would adjust to). Wow - thanks Mark - that never occured to me... I don't see anything very wonky witht he stuff from my 820 I will say. ann
RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
-Original Message- From: Bob Rapp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As large as OZ is and the closeness of our Kiwi friends, I would not rule out the South Island - now that place is stunning. I've been thinking about a trip down there (Oz and/or NZ) for a while. If someone were to set something up for January or February of '05 I'd be 95% in. Or maybe Cesar and I will just buy a pair of 'round the world tix and visit everyone. tv
RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
Tom, If you do, plan an spending more that a week or two. New Zealand could be done in 7 days - 10 if you include the North Island. Australia that time of the year would probably limit you to the southern portion and the northern area would be too hot and humid (90s and 100% humidity). The best time to see the whole lot would be April to May. Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)* -Original Message- From: Bob Rapp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As large as OZ is and the closeness of our Kiwi friends, I would not rule out the South Island - now that place is stunning. I've been thinking about a trip down there (Oz and/or NZ) for a while. If someone were to set something up for January or February of '05 I'd be 95% in. Or maybe Cesar and I will just buy a pair of 'round the world tix and visit everyone. tv
RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Bob Rapp wrote: If you do, plan an spending more that a week or two. New Zealand could be done in 7 days - 10 if you include the North Island. A 7-10 day trip of New Zealand, including both islands, would be a terrible shame. I've spent 7 weeks there over two trips (doing a circuit of the north island one trip and a circuit of the south island on another trip) and feel like I just barely scratched the surface. I could have spent 7-10 days in just about any particular region of NZ very easily. If you must go for such a short time just pick a single island. The South Island is scenically more spectacular (if you want to photograph dramatic landscapes) but the North Island has many very special areas too. alex
Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
Hi, I may come along depending on the date, probaly near Brisbane or in Victoria are the best options for me. Paul (Melb) Ryan Lee wrote: (Some corrections from the original.) Hi all, Regarding the Aussie GFM (I'm aware of the incorrectness of this term, but it's catchy.. we can give it a name of its own when we know where it is!), there doesn't seem to be much of a plan as yet. As such, I've decided to compile the relevant info, hopefully in a format slightly more useful to the (brave) undertaking organiser, and attendees. This post is fairly long, so here's what's in it. - Aussie PDMLers (if you're missing please yell out) - Potential guests (see above.. and even if you've got the slightest inkling of a temptation to jump on a budget flight and come down here, that includes you too) - Suggestions (ideas where to go..) - Considerations (ands buts) I know it's still a while away, but I think it's nice to have a plan to sit on. Best Regards, Ryan **Updated population down under: Kevin Waterson (Port Macquarie, NSW) - 30 mins to mountains, national parks, 2 hours (North) to Bellingen (waterfalls abound..) Trevor Bailey (Grafton, NSW) Rob Studdert (Hurtsville, NSW) Bob Rapp (Terrigal, NSW) - 1 hour from the hunter valley, Blue mountains, Sydney, Barrington Tops. Paul Ewins (Melbourne, VIC) Leon Altoff (Melbourne, VIC) Tanya Mayer (3 hours West of Mackay, QLD) - 4 hours from the Whitsundays. John Coyle (Brisbane, QLD) Ryan Lee (Brisbane, QLD) -- **Possible globetrotters: -- Stan Halpin (Western Missouri, USA) My own schedule is still a bit up in the air. I am expecting a meeting in Adelaide, 31 Mar - 2 Apr, adjourning over the weekend, resuming in Canberra (?) 5-6 April. Assuming that this is in fact what comes down when our meeting host gets all of the proper decisions, the my wife and I will plan to arrive in Adelaide on about 26 March and spend the weekend in that general vicinity. The following weekend we'll move as called for by the meeting schedule, with time to ourselves along the way. John Francis (San Jose, California, USA) One of these years I'm going to get over to Surfer's Paradise for the CART (now OWRS) race. When I do, I'll probably take an extra week or two of vacation. **Suggestions to date (edited): Tanya Mayer (QLD) What about somewhere like the Whitsundays? Great Barrier Reef and sunny Queensland weather might be able to entice some overseas people for a lovely holiday - I will be happy to organise it if it was in that area, as it isn't too far from me... VERY picturesque stuff - we could even do a charter flight to whitehaven beach, snorkelling, skydiving (COOL pics there!) etc. GREAT sunsets and landscape photography opportunities... See here for more details about that place - it is just DIVINE... http://www.seewhitsundays.com/w/islands/picture.asp?image=images/whitehaven2.jpg http://www.seewhitsundays.com/w/islands/picture.asp?image=images/beneteauatwhitehaven.jpg http://www.sailing-whitsundays.com/locations/listings/l0001.html http://www.geocities.com/awweir/Whitehaven_people.html http://www.whitsundaysonline.com/ Of course, at the opposite ends of the spectrum, there are places like the Hunter and Barossa Valleys, Blue Mountains etc. Another alternative could be the Maleny/Montville area on the Sunshine Coast - very picturesque. ---Kevin Waterson (NSW) Or... if you would like a NSW based outing I could perhaps help. Among other things, I am the owner of some beachfront holiday units. see this link http://www.oceania.net I would be happy to provide accommodation for some PDMLers free of charge. Our accommodations are humble, but clean and comfortable. I can arrange day outings to national parks, fishing, boat tours, fishing, camping grounds, fishing, long sandy beaches, fishing airplane flights for photography, and if we can squeeze it in, perhaps a spot of fishing. The whales have already passed us on their way south for the summer but dolphins are plentyful. We are close (30 mins) to mountains and national parks where our local camera club likes to visit for fungus and macro works. The waterfalls are a little lacklustre due to the drought at the moment, but a 2 hour drive north puts us in nearby Bellingen where they abound. I do alot of modelling portfolios so if we need models we should be able to get a few together. --Bob Rapp (NSW) Did she (Tanya) mention Wolf Fang park. I think it is a bunch of volcano plugs that have had the earth worn away. To me, it is the most exciting sight between Mackay and Emerald. If our mob can decide on a venue and, if there are enough, we could perhaps get the Pentax distributor CR Kennedy involved. Could be fun. Actually the Hunter Valley area offers heaps of photographic opportunities from Wollombi to the Barrington including
Re: OT:Inkjet printer recommendations
Juey Chong Ong wrote: On Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003, at 11:34 America/New_York, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Dunno. But I do get irked when the ink is low and it won't let me clean the head, even though there really is plenty of ink in the bucket . Ionly use Epson inks myself. Me too, and I notice the more expensive black ink gets clogged more often than the color ink. Here's the trick to do a head cleaning when the ink is too low: take the cartridge out and put it back in. --jc I thought I tried that once and couldnt get it to clean. hmmm. a
Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
Ryan, You may as well add my name to the list of Aussie PDMLers (Anthony Farr, Sydney, NSW). As for being a potential attendee at OZGFM, and to quote FU*, I couldn't ~possibly~ comment. regards, Anthony Farr * Francis Urquhart, fictional British prime minister (the House of Cards trilogy.)
Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
Hi Paul, Is this a different Paul from the Paul Ewins (also in Melbourne) in this list? If not where ya at? Kevin Waterson (Port Macquarie, NSW) Trevor Bailey (Grafton, NSW) Rob Studdert (Hurtsville, NSW) Bob Rapp (Terrigal, NSW) Anthony Farr (Sydney, NSW) Paul Ewins (Melbourne, VIC) Leon Altoff (Melbourne, VIC) Tanya Mayer (3 hours West of Mackay, QLD) John Coyle (Brisbane, QLD) Ryan Lee (Brisbane, QLD) Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)* Hi, I may come along depending on the date, probaly near Brisbane or in Victoria are the best options for me. Paul (Melb)
Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
Oops, I forgot you put Melbourne down.. :) - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)* Hi, I may come along depending on the date, probaly near Brisbane or in Victoria are the best options for me. Paul (Melb) Ryan Lee wrote: (Some corrections from the original.) Hi all, Regarding the Aussie GFM (I'm aware of the incorrectness of this term, but it's catchy.. we can give it a name of its own when we know where it is!), there doesn't seem to be much of a plan as yet. As such, I've decided to compile the relevant info, hopefully in a format slightly more useful to the (brave) undertaking organiser, and attendees. This post is fairly long, so here's what's in it. - Aussie PDMLers (if you're missing please yell out) - Potential guests (see above.. and even if you've got the slightest inkling of a temptation to jump on a budget flight and come down here, that includes you too) - Suggestions (ideas where to go..) - Considerations (ands buts) I know it's still a while away, but I think it's nice to have a plan to sit on. Best Regards, Ryan **Updated population down under: Kevin Waterson (Port Macquarie, NSW) - 30 mins to mountains, national parks, 2 hours (North) to Bellingen (waterfalls abound..) Trevor Bailey (Grafton, NSW) Rob Studdert (Hurtsville, NSW) Bob Rapp (Terrigal, NSW) - 1 hour from the hunter valley, Blue mountains, Sydney, Barrington Tops. Paul Ewins (Melbourne, VIC) Leon Altoff (Melbourne, VIC) Tanya Mayer (3 hours West of Mackay, QLD) - 4 hours from the Whitsundays. John Coyle (Brisbane, QLD) Ryan Lee (Brisbane, QLD) -- **Possible globetrotters: -- Stan Halpin (Western Missouri, USA) My own schedule is still a bit up in the air. I am expecting a meeting in Adelaide, 31 Mar - 2 Apr, adjourning over the weekend, resuming in Canberra (?) 5-6 April. Assuming that this is in fact what comes down when our meeting host gets all of the proper decisions, the my wife and I will plan to arrive in Adelaide on about 26 March and spend the weekend in that general vicinity. The following weekend we'll move as called for by the meeting schedule, with time to ourselves along the way. John Francis (San Jose, California, USA) One of these years I'm going to get over to Surfer's Paradise for the CART (now OWRS) race. When I do, I'll probably take an extra week or two of vacation. **Suggestions to date (edited): Tanya Mayer (QLD) What about somewhere like the Whitsundays? Great Barrier Reef and sunny Queensland weather might be able to entice some overseas people for a lovely holiday - I will be happy to organise it if it was in that area, as it isn't too far from me... VERY picturesque stuff - we could even do a charter flight to whitehaven beach, snorkelling, skydiving (COOL pics there!) etc. GREAT sunsets and landscape photography opportunities... See here for more details about that place - it is just DIVINE... http://www.seewhitsundays.com/w/islands/picture.asp?image=images/whitehaven 2.jpg http://www.seewhitsundays.com/w/islands/picture.asp?image=images/beneteauat whitehaven.jpg http://www.sailing-whitsundays.com/locations/listings/l0001.html http://www.geocities.com/awweir/Whitehaven_people.html http://www.whitsundaysonline.com/ Of course, at the opposite ends of the spectrum, there are places like the Hunter and Barossa Valleys, Blue Mountains etc. Another alternative could be the Maleny/Montville area on the Sunshine Coast - very picturesque. ---Kevin Waterson (NSW) Or... if you would like a NSW based outing I could perhaps help. Among other things, I am the owner of some beachfront holiday units. see this link http://www.oceania.net I would be happy to provide accommodation for some PDMLers free of charge. Our accommodations are humble, but clean and comfortable. I can arrange day outings to national parks, fishing, boat tours, fishing, camping grounds, fishing, long sandy beaches, fishing airplane flights for photography, and if we can squeeze it in, perhaps a spot of fishing. The whales have already passed us on their way south for the summer but dolphins are plentyful. We are close (30 mins) to mountains and national parks where our local camera club likes to visit for fungus and macro works. The waterfalls are a little lacklustre due to the drought at the moment, but a 2 hour drive north puts us in nearby Bellingen where they abound. I do alot of modelling portfolios so if we need models we should be able to get a few together. --Bob Rapp (NSW) Did she (Tanya) mention Wolf Fang park. I think it is a bunch of volcano plugs that
RE: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
Hi Alex, Like you, I have a facination with New Zealnad - particularly the South Island. My comment was relating to a 4 week trip. I have been to the South Island 6 times and only one of those times Milford Sound was clear. I think, as legend has it, every visitor to the South Island is assigned their own peersonal Kea (Parrot). Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: alex wetmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Bob Rapp wrote: If you do, plan an spending more that a week or two. New Zealand could be done in 7 days - 10 if you include the North Island. A 7-10 day trip of New Zealand, including both islands, would be a terrible shame. I've spent 7 weeks there over two trips (doing a circuit of the north island one trip and a circuit of the south island on another trip) and feel like I just barely scratched the surface. I could have spent 7-10 days in just about any particular region of NZ very easily. If you must go for such a short time just pick a single island. The South Island is scenically more spectacular (if you want to photograph dramatic landscapes) but the North Island has many very special areas too. alex
Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*
lol! Well I'm sure the wife would want to come along too.. Or if that's not it, extend federal parliament an invitation too, and perhaps we can make use of their electric cars? Rgds, Ryan - Original Message - From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)* Ryan, You may as well add my name to the list of Aussie PDMLers (Anthony Farr, Sydney, NSW). As for being a potential attendee at OZGFM, and to quote FU*, I couldn't ~possibly~ comment. regards, Anthony Farr * Francis Urquhart, fictional British prime minister (the House of Cards trilogy.)
Re: BreezeBrowser 2.8
What are the advantages of Breezebrowser versus other solutions, like the Pentax software? Is it worth the money? Any experience? On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 22:46, Paul Eriksson wrote: BreezeBrowser 2.8 was just released, now with support for raw from our ist D's. Paul _ Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
