Re: The right tool for the job

[David Mann]

On Nov 21, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

> On my cameras auto focus won't work in that light, and I didn't bring my 
> laser pointer.

Funny, I'd never thought of using a laser pointer to assist AF.  I don't have a 
cat so I never had an excuse to get one until now.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: The right tool for the job

[David Mann]

On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> That's an awfully nice picture.  No, you don't need a 645D.  I don't
> need a 645D.  Nobody needs a 645D. If anyone on this list gets one I'm
> going to send a poisoned Bolivian dwarf to teach them the error of
> their ways.

If Pentax do send me one, I won't tell you.

:)

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Re: Benbo Trekker Mk3 Compact Tripod

[Leon Altoff]

HI Ann,

I'm very tempted by the Benbo.  Can you tell me if the main post is
adjustable while the legs are locked in place?  And how smooth the
movement is?  This is very important for what I want to do with it and
hard to tell from the pictures.

Thanks

Leon

On 21 November 2010 17:07, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> Leon... (I sold my compact one a while back, but reluctantly ) -- I love
> Benbos... still have my larger trekker
> The great thing is the way you can get it into all sorts of odd positions
> ... just remember to always hold the main
> post while you adjust the legs -)
>
> It actually sets up quickly... except maybe not the very first time.
>
> I'd go for it
>
> ann

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Re: OT: what has kept me away these past few weeks

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Yessir, some adventures there. Ouch! Don't like those kinds of adventure.
Stop falling, girl! ];-)

I glad everything's gotten back together now ///

> ... So now I'll try to return to my usual wise-cracking silly self for the
> benefit of all... will someone start a nice pun thread?

Dat's the spirit, very punny!

Be well, Ann. I'll be thinking of you. :-)
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Re: Benbo Trekker Mk3 Compact Tripod

[Ann Sanfedele]

Leon Altoff wrote:


Hello All,

I'm looking for a lightweight, sturdy and flexible tripod that has the
ability to slide the centre column very accurately (for macro shots
where I want to raise it 1mm from where it's currently positioned).
The maximum height I need out of it is 43 inches (109cm), and the
shorter it folds up the better, though I still need it to be sturdy.

I've come across the Benbo Trekker Mk3 Compact Tripod which seems to
fit the bill (apart from being a bit complex to set up, but I think I
can live with that).  Of course living in Australia it's hard to
actually view this strange and exotic equipment, so I can't try one
out for real (I can also save about $80 buy importing from B&H rather
than ordering and buying locally - I'm willing to support my local to
a certain degree, but not that much).

Is there anyone out there with experience with the Benbo tripod or who
has any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Leon

 

Leon... (I sold my compact one a while back, but reluctantly ) -- I love 
Benbos... still have my larger trekker
The great thing is the way you can get it into all sorts of odd 
positions ... just remember to always hold the main

post while you adjust the legs -)

It actually sets up quickly... except maybe not the very first time.

I'd go for it

ann





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Re: PESO - birdy

[Ann Sanfedele]

Walter Gilbert wrote:

   Great shot!  Looking through my Peterson's Field Guide, the closest 
match I could find is the juvenile Slate-colored Junco, which is 
indeed a sparrow.  Then again, it could be any number of sparrows.  
I'm just going by the pretty pictures in the birdy book.


-- Walt 



I think it's a finch...   female purple finch I"m guessin

Nice capture, Paul, so hard to get those little fellas

ann




On 11/20/2010 7:47 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

That much I'm sure of. I think it's some kind of sparrow. It was only 
a wee bit bigger than the chickadees. In any case, I'm pleased in 
that the A400/5.6 doesn't seem to fringe as much with the K5 as it 
did with the other Pentax DSLRs. Or maybe I just got lucky. Not 
enough samples to say for sure.


K-5, A 400/5.6, ISO 1250, f5.6, 1/800th, AF 540 flash with Xtender.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11980010&size=lg











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Re: PESO - birdy

[Walter Gilbert]

   Great shot!  Looking through my Peterson's Field Guide, the closest 
match I could find is the juvenile Slate-colored Junco, which is indeed 
a sparrow.  Then again, it could be any number of sparrows.  I'm just 
going by the pretty pictures in the birdy book.


-- Walt

On 11/20/2010 7:47 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

That much I'm sure of. I think it's some kind of sparrow. It was only a wee bit 
bigger than the chickadees. In any case, I'm pleased in that the A400/5.6 
doesn't seem to fringe as much with the K5 as it did with the other Pentax 
DSLRs. Or maybe I just got lucky. Not enough samples to say for sure.

K-5, A 400/5.6, ISO 1250, f5.6, 1/800th, AF 540 flash with Xtender.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11980010&size=lg






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Re: PESO: That most wonderful time of th year

[drd1135]

Wow. 

Some of us will keep shooting with the K7, however, just to give you a 
reference point. ;-)
-Original Message-
From: fotor...@gmx.de (Ralf R. Radermacher)
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 23:51:21 
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Subject: PESO: That most wonderful time of th year

Thank Heavens we're heading for winter. No endless hours to wait until
that stupid old sun has gone, the light is fine again, it's cold enough
that everything steams and smokes as it should be. And all this at times
when one can take pictures like the one linked below and still be home
for dinner. 

Add to this a K-5 and life could hardly be any better. Haven't even
needed to do a multi-exposure blending. Couldn't have dreamed of doing
this with the K-7. 

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/23042534

As always, your comments and suggestions... :-)

Ralf

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Re: PESO - birdy

[Tim Bray]

Wow, excellent.  I think you got everything out of that lens that it
has to give.
-T

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Paul,
> Very nice and close!
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:47 PM, paul stenquist  
> wrote:
>> That much I'm sure of. I think it's some kind of sparrow. It was only a wee 
>> bit bigger than the chickadees. In any case, I'm pleased in that the 
>> A400/5.6 doesn't seem to fringe as much with the K5 as it did with the other 
>> Pentax DSLRs. Or maybe I just got lucky. Not enough samples to say for sure.
>>
>> K-5, A 400/5.6, ISO 1250, f5.6, 1/800th, AF 540 flash with Xtender.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11980010&size=lg
>>
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Re: PESO: Little Guy

[Jack Davis]

Nice catch, Paul. Nice K-5 and A 400 performance as well.

Jack

--- On Sat, 11/20/10, paul stenquist  wrote:

> From: paul stenquist 
> Subject: PESO: Little Guy
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 2:29 PM
> Did some shooting at the Johnson
> Nature Center today. This guy is a tiny squirrel, probably
> less than a year old and fast as lightening. Got him while
> he paused on this tree. K5, A 400/5.6 with AF 560 flash and
> Xtender. ISO 1250, f6.6, 1/800th. Handheld of course. Nice
> to have a couple extra stops for this lens. 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11979750&size=lg
> 
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Benbo Trekker Mk3 Compact Tripod

[Leon Altoff]

Hello All,

I'm looking for a lightweight, sturdy and flexible tripod that has the
ability to slide the centre column very accurately (for macro shots
where I want to raise it 1mm from where it's currently positioned).
The maximum height I need out of it is 43 inches (109cm), and the
shorter it folds up the better, though I still need it to be sturdy.

I've come across the Benbo Trekker Mk3 Compact Tripod which seems to
fit the bill (apart from being a bit complex to set up, but I think I
can live with that).  Of course living in Australia it's hard to
actually view this strange and exotic equipment, so I can't try one
out for real (I can also save about $80 buy importing from B&H rather
than ordering and buying locally - I'm willing to support my local to
a certain degree, but not that much).

Is there anyone out there with experience with the Benbo tripod or who
has any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Leon

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Bruce Dale photos

[Phil Northeast]

Some videos on his work by National Geographic photographer Bruce Dale
http://vimeo.com/8910838

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Re: off-camera flash

[Leon Altoff]

Hi Ecke,

I use Pentax wireless controlled from the camera flash in almost every
situation.

The one exception (which is one I encounter all the time
unfortunately) is where you are shooting towards or through a
reflective surface - in which case the on camera flash is reflected
back to you.  In that case I use the Pentax off camera flash cables
and connectors.  You can use one off camera flash to control the
others in a multi flash set up, but cabling them all back to the
camera stops the flash ready light from coming on until all the
flashes are recharged.

The Sigma flashes have an interesting wireless feature in that they
pulse the AF assist to show they are charged and ready to go.  this
may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the situation.  Sigma
flashes have a bad reputation from an early implementation of Pentax
Wireless, but at present they work with all the current cameras (no
guarantees for future cameras however).

Hope this helps.

Leon

On 20 November 2010 09:04, eckinator  wrote:
> quick question for those who have tried both - to use a p-ttl flash
> off camera would you advise using
> a) pentax F (male / female hotshoe adaptor plus sync cable)
> b) 3rd party cheapo cable solution
> c) wireless, if so, which one?
> thanks
> Ecke
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Re: off-camera flash

[Christine Nielsen]

>
> I guess I don't trust that to work as well. My feelings for my K10D
> have deteriorated somewhat "need" is
> pretty relative anyway.


I can't vouch for the k10d, but the only time the built-in wireless
trigger hasn't worked for me was when the batteries in my flash died.
I know what you mean about losin' that lovin' feelin'... I have a
worthless piece of junk k7, after all. ;)  But the only reason I
haven't broken down & bought RF triggers is that I haven't yet
"needed" them.

>
> the hotshoe adaptor F lets me put one flash on top plus one via the
> f5p cable so it effectively acts as a splitter.

I can fire the 360 & 540 together with the wireless set-up... but I
think I've only used the flashes on manual settings.  Maybe using
p-ttl changes the ballgame?  How does the camera deal with ttl &
multiple flash, anyway...?
>
> does this answer it? =)
> Ecke
>

Haha -- sure!  But now I have more questions...

:)
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Re: The right tool for the job

[Larry Colen]

On Nov 20, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>> Thanks all for your comments.
>> 
>> Ann, I did some pixel peeping on other photos in the set looking for 
>> evidence of tripod shake.  I think that one problem I'm having is accurately 
>> focusing the 20/1.8 in the dark. I suspect that infinity is not exactly 
>> infinity.
>> 
> That's true - and I'd have difficulty focusing in the dark for sure!... I 
> used to set the focus a bit shy of infinity whenever I couldn't see what
> I was doing...

I think that I may have tried that.

>> 
>> 
>> And, for those that are interested some more shots from the set:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625430541230/
>> 
> 
> well even though it is soft - I think this one is a lot more interesting than 
> your night with stars shot
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5193161970/in/set-72157625430541230/

That's one of the first ones I took. 
> 
> I think it is really difficult to get an intersting shot at night with 
> stars... they so often only look like bits of dust one needs to spot out
> on a print :-)

The primary interest of having the stars is that the shot looks like daylight 
so the stars give an interesting cognitive dissonance.

> 
> Not sure I'm much help here..

On the PDML has being of help ever been anything but secondary to puns and 
cormorants?

> 
> ann
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I was driving home from dancing in SF, and seeing the mist and clouds lit 
>>> by the moon over some water I was compelled to stop and take a few 
>>> pictures.  At one point when I was bracketing two cameras (K20 and Kx) two 
>>> lenses (16-50 & 20/1.8), several isos and exposures, my first thought was 
>>> that if I had a K-5 this would be so much easier because I'd at least know 
>>> which camera body to use.  Then I realized that for this shot I didn't need 
>>> a K-5, I needed a 645D. Then I realized what I really needed was Ralf's 
>>> nightscape skills.
>>> 
>>> Where my thoughts ended up, while waiting for the 30 second exposures, plus 
>>> the 30 second dark fields, is that what I'd really like to see is what Ralf 
>>> could do at night with a 645D, and that if Pentax were smart, they'd loan 
>>> Ralf a 645D for a few weeks, just to see what one could do for night time 
>>> landscapes.
>>> 
>>> I need to go to bed rather than going through all of my n-dimensional 
>>> bracketing from three different shooting locations, but after a quick scan, 
>>> this seems to be one of the more promising shots:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5191532097/
>>> 
>>> K20, ISO 400, 16-50 at 16mm f/2.8 30 second exposure.  Which matches my 
>>> previous experience that the sweet spot at night is a 30 second exposure 
>>> with the K20 at ISO 400.
>>> 
>>> For the Bay Area Folks, this is shot from the frontage road, just north of 
>>> Black Road (Bear Creek exit off Hwy 17).
>>> 
>>> If there's interest, I could post my full bracketing of one of the shots.  
>>> The last one I took ran into problems because the lens started fogging up.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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FS Saturday: Sigma DC 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5, EX+

[Joe Wilensky]

This is the older version of this lens, the one without image stabilization 
(though on the Pentax bodies, you don't need it)!

EX+ condition, includes original caps and hood.

$300 includes shipping & insurance in the continental U.S. Outside the U.S. 
will be slightly more with shipping.

Photos at 

http://gallery.me.com/wilensky#101094

Photozone review at

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Re: PESO - birdy

[Bob Sullivan]

Paul,
Very nice and close!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:47 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> That much I'm sure of. I think it's some kind of sparrow. It was only a wee 
> bit bigger than the chickadees. In any case, I'm pleased in that the A400/5.6 
> doesn't seem to fringe as much with the K5 as it did with the other Pentax 
> DSLRs. Or maybe I just got lucky. Not enough samples to say for sure.
>
> K-5, A 400/5.6, ISO 1250, f5.6, 1/800th, AF 540 flash with Xtender.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11980010&size=lg
>
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PESO - birdy

[paul stenquist]

That much I'm sure of. I think it's some kind of sparrow. It was only a wee bit 
bigger than the chickadees. In any case, I'm pleased in that the A400/5.6 
doesn't seem to fringe as much with the K5 as it did with the other Pentax 
DSLRs. Or maybe I just got lucky. Not enough samples to say for sure.

K-5, A 400/5.6, ISO 1250, f5.6, 1/800th, AF 540 flash with Xtender.

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Re: Lightroom file management question

[steve harley]

On 2010-11-20 11:27 , Eric Weir wrote:

E.g., the images on my camera are in subfolders by date in a folder for the year. When importing 
directly from the camera into LR end up with a subfolder for "2010" in the folder for 
"2010." Then I have to move the folders in the subfolder to the folder, which I find 
awkward in LR. It would be easier to do in Finder before importing the dated folders into LR.


(i use Aperture; it is slightly different from LR, but i'm pretty sure 
you can get the same result)


i used to copy to disk first, but i realized it was an extra step that 
slowed me down significantly' the actual time the computer took may be 
similar, but the old way i had to set up the copy, wait, then set up the 
import, and wait -- now i can just pop the card into the side of my 
computer, tell it to import, and come back later and everything's done


so now i always import directly and automatically from the card into 
year/month/day folders; Aperture remembers to:


  Store Files: "2010"
  Subfolder: "Image Month/Day"

the names may be a bit different in LR, but having two nested 2010 
folders would be as if i had selected instead:


  Subfolder: "Image Year/Month/Day"

(which would make a 2010 folder and place that folder within the 
existing 2010 folder) -- i think you'll find you need to either point it 
at the level above the main 2010 folder when telling LR where to import 
to, or have LR only make month and day subfolders, not a year subfolder


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Re: PESO: That most wonderful time of th year

[Bob Sullivan]

Ralf,
Great to see you in business again with the K-5.
Regards,  Bob S.

2010/11/20 Ralf R. Radermacher :
> Thank Heavens we're heading for winter. No endless hours to wait until
> that stupid old sun has gone, the light is fine again, it's cold enough
> that everything steams and smokes as it should be. And all this at times
> when one can take pictures like the one linked below and still be home
> for dinner.
>
> Add to this a K-5 and life could hardly be any better. Haven't even
> needed to do a multi-exposure blending. Couldn't have dreamed of doing
> this with the K-7.
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/23042534
>
> As always, your comments and suggestions... :-)
>
> Ralf
>
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Re: Thanks, and hold that thought . . .

[eckinator]

2010/11/21 Eric Weir :
>
> Or,"that you'll die before it kills you."

sounds great (not) but I asked an oncological nurse and she said so,
too. fair enough as long as it doesn't mean I'll die sooner. about the
river Rhein / Rhine people in Cologne used to say (Ralf might know
this) the Rhine is a fountain of youth - those who drink from it won't
get old.
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Re: Thanks, and hold that thought . . .

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On Nov 18, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

> "Hey Mr.Patient - I have good news and bad news: Bad news is that you have 
> cancer; good news is that you have prostate cancer."

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Re: off-camera flash

[eckinator]

2010/11/20 Christine Nielsen :
> The short spiral cable is only 3 ft long, right?  Why not just use the
> in-camera wireless capability, if that's how far off-camera you're
> going?  Save your money for lenses!  :)

I guess I don't trust that to work as well. My feelings for my K10D
have deteriorated somewhat. besides, I can't save any money; I don't
have any. anything I spend is courtesy of my bank so I try to sell
more than I buy and only get what I need without delay. "need" is
pretty relative anyway.

> My ttl cord is 6 ft, has the hotshoe connections built-in, and
> available on amazon for about $40.  I'm not sure I understand why the
> 3-pc set is more versatile... What kind of jacks are on the hotshoe
> adaptors?  Would they be used for anything other than the f5p ttl
> cord?  Could you use a (pc or 1/8") sync cord to connect to manual
> off-camera flash with these?

the hotshoe adaptor F lets me put one flash on top plus one via the
f5p cable so it effectively acts as a splitter. not sure about the
sync cord, I think not.

does this answer it? =)
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Re: PESO: That most wonderful time of th year

[Ann Sanfedele]

Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:


Thank Heavens we're heading for winter. No endless hours to wait until
that stupid old sun has gone, the light is fine again, it's cold enough
that everything steams and smokes as it should be. And all this at times
when one can take pictures like the one linked below and still be home
for dinner. 


Add to this a K-5 and life could hardly be any better. Haven't even
needed to do a multi-exposure blending. Couldn't have dreamed of doing
this with the K-7. 


http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/23042534

As always, your comments and suggestions... :-)

Ralf

 


I love it of course

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Re: PESO - Ducks on the Wing

[paul stenquist]

I like this as well. The open sky ahead of the ducks is a nice concept. Lots of 
blue is a good thing. 
Paul


> 
>> Not technically great, I like it none the less:
>> 
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/ducks-on-wing.html
>> 
>> And I hope you do, too.
>> 
>> I'm always amazed to see that flying birds (waterfowl, at least) seem
>> to always synchronize their flapping wings.  Cool.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> frank
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Re: The right tool for the job

[Ann Sanfedele]

Larry Colen wrote:


Thanks all for your comments.

Ann, I did some pixel peeping on other photos in the set looking for evidence 
of tripod shake.  I think that one problem I'm having is accurately focusing 
the 20/1.8 in the dark. I suspect that infinity is not exactly infinity.

That's true - and I'd have difficulty focusing in the dark for sure!... 
I used to set the focus a bit shy of infinity whenever I couldn't see what

I was doing...


On my cameras auto focus won't work in that light, and I didn't bring my laser 
pointer.

Pointing directly at the moon it wouldn't have made a difference, but do 
polarizers have the same effect at night on darkening the blue of the sky? Can 
they be used to bring out the stars better?



no clue, but I wouldnt think so...


Here's one where I used the burn in brush in lightroom to darken the sky:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5193155990/

To do this right, I suspect I'd need to know a lot more photoshop.

And, for those that are interested some more shots from the set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625430541230/



well even though it is soft - I think this one is a lot more interesting 
than your night with stars shot

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5193161970/in/set-72157625430541230/

I think it is really difficult to get an intersting shot at night with 
stars... they so often only look like bits of dust one needs to spot out

on a print :-)

Not sure I'm much help here..

ann




On Nov 20, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

 


I was driving home from dancing in SF, and seeing the mist and clouds lit by the 
moon over some water I was compelled to stop and take a few pictures.  At one point 
when I was bracketing two cameras (K20 and Kx) two lenses (16-50 & 20/1.8), 
several isos and exposures, my first thought was that if I had a K-5 this would be 
so much easier because I'd at least know which camera body to use.  Then I realized 
that for this shot I didn't need a K-5, I needed a 645D. Then I realized what I 
really needed was Ralf's nightscape skills.

Where my thoughts ended up, while waiting for the 30 second exposures, plus the 
30 second dark fields, is that what I'd really like to see is what Ralf could 
do at night with a 645D, and that if Pentax were smart, they'd loan Ralf a 645D 
for a few weeks, just to see what one could do for night time landscapes.

I need to go to bed rather than going through all of my n-dimensional 
bracketing from three different shooting locations, but after a quick scan, 
this seems to be one of the more promising shots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5191532097/

K20, ISO 400, 16-50 at 16mm f/2.8 30 second exposure.  Which matches my 
previous experience that the sweet spot at night is a 30 second exposure with 
the K20 at ISO 400.

For the Bay Area Folks, this is shot from the frontage road, just north of 
Black Road (Bear Creek exit off Hwy 17).

If there's interest, I could post my full bracketing of one of the shots.  The 
last one I took ran into problems because the lens started fogging up.

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Re: Be afraid, be very afraid

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 7:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> Well, the session went quite well.
> 
> A bit of a pain with two different Canons and 1 book, but we pushed through.
> 
> One thing for me, is i have re confirmed my reasons for not buying a
> Canon Dslr. Man, what a PITA their menu system is.
> 
> I think they now have a decent grasp on Tv, Av as well as M mode and
> AF point adjustment and ISO.
> 
> The thing that impressed them the most was showing them the Histogram
> and blinky features. They both quickly saw the importance of these
> features, and used them on our walk around of the farm.
> 
> Oh, and one of the ladies is an ex KX shooter and gave me an M 200 F4
> as a thank you gift.
> 

That's a nice gift. The M200 is very compact yet still quite good. 
Paul


> Dave
> 
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> As long as you don't have to write anything on the white or black board,
>> Dave /wink wink, nod nod/
>> 
>> I think the proper thing to say here is "break the leg". But I surely don't
>> mean that literally :-).
>> 
>> Have fun!
>> 
>> Boris (who had to give a full 1 hour presentation on subject of what darn
>> gadget to buy to the whole crew of his present employer)
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/20/2010 2:11 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm teaching a class Saturday, at noonish.
>>> 
>>> Two of the horse show managers i worked with the past 10 years have
>>> bought  DSLR cameras recently and want to break free from the Auto
>>> mode, and asked if i could swing by for a few hours Saturday and go
>>> over non Auto modes , and basically show them how to work them.
>>> 
>>> I said yes.
>>> 
>>> One has the fancy Rebel, the other the 60D, i think she said 60D.
>>> 
>>> I'll show up with the K10D or D200 which ever has a battery in it.:-)
>>> 
>>> Finally a chance to help rid the world of Auto settings photographers.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Lightroom file management question

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 7:27 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> I do not import direct from camera or card to LR. I also have
> directories set up for Nikon, Pentax and Canon(my g3 IR P&S) and copy
> my camera files/folder to which ever camera i am shooting, and use sub
> folders such as 11-10-10-jays in back yard.

Thanks, David. I've only one camera -- one digital, that is -- but that's how I 
name my folders.

> Those photos are copied to the folder, then i open LR and import that
> directory. Seems to work well, and no lost files, so far.

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Re: Lightroom file management question

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

> BTW, this is what I do, too.  Get the files on disk before ever pointing LR 
> to them.

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Re: PESO: Little Guy

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> paul stenquist wrote:
> 
>> Did some shooting at the Johnson Nature Center today. This guy is a tiny 
>> squirrel, probably less than a year old and fast as lightening. Got him 
>> while he paused on this tree. K5, A 400/5.6 with AF 560 flash and Xtender. 
>> ISO 1250, f6.6, 1/800th. Handheld of course. Nice to have a couple extra 
>> stops for this lens. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11979750&size=lg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Adorable.. But I'd guess from his coloring he could be a full-grown red 
> squirrel - not necessarily a teeny teen...
> Nice grab, Paul!
> ann
> 
> 
Thanks Ann. Most of our squirrels are of the red variety. (Others are coal 
black. We don't have the grays that were familiar in Chicago and NY. ) But the 
full grown reds are a lot bigger than this guy. I would guess he was only about 
8 inches long. Most are about 12 inches. Hard to get a sense of scale from the 
photo. He was also a lot faster than the big ones. Perhaps that's how they 
survive to become big guys:-).
Paul
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Re: PESO: That most wonderful time of th year

[David J Brooks]

Suburb

Dave

2010/11/20 Ralf R. Radermacher :
> Thank Heavens we're heading for winter. No endless hours to wait until
> that stupid old sun has gone, the light is fine again, it's cold enough
> that everything steams and smokes as it should be. And all this at times
> when one can take pictures like the one linked below and still be home
> for dinner.
>
> Add to this a K-5 and life could hardly be any better. Haven't even
> needed to do a multi-exposure blending. Couldn't have dreamed of doing
> this with the K-7.
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/23042534
>
> As always, your comments and suggestions... :-)
>
> Ralf
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Re: PESO: Little Guy

[David J Brooks]

Lovely shot. Well composed and great detail

Dave

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:29 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Did some shooting at the Johnson Nature Center today. This guy is a tiny 
> squirrel, probably less than a year old and fast as lightening. Got him while 
> he paused on this tree. K5, A 400/5.6 with AF 560 flash and Xtender. ISO 
> 1250, f6.6, 1/800th. Handheld of course. Nice to have a couple extra stops 
> for this lens.
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Re: PESO - Ducks on the Wing

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very nice Frank!  I love the blue sky and they way you positioned the
birds in the frame.

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On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:23 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> Not technically great, I like it none the less:
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/ducks-on-wing.html
>
> And I hope you do, too.
>
> I'm always amazed to see that flying birds (waterfowl, at least) seem
> to always synchronize their flapping wings.  Cool.
>
> cheers,
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Re: The right tool for the job

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

> Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> Then I realized what I really needed was Ralf's nightscape skills.
> 
> You're all far overestimating the role I'm playing in all this. 90
> percent of it is living near the right places and being there when the
> light is good. 

I suspect that that 90% is more a case of knowing how to recognize which are 
the right places and the good light.  I'd love to see what you could do at the 
Oakland shipyards with their "At-At" cranes.

> 
> Yes, there is good and bad light at night. The time around full moon,
> like tonight, is always good. Combine it with a few low hanging fluffy
> clouds to give the sky more depth and you already have one half of a
> good shot. 
> 
> Far less wizardry involved than you all think.
> 
>> I'd really like to see is what Ralf could do at night with a 645D
> 
> So would I. :-)
> 
>> and that if Pentax were smart, they'd loan Ralf a 645D for a few weeks,
>> just to see what one could do for night time landscapes.
> 
> Anyone at Pentax reading this...? 

I wonder if Pentax Europe is easier or harder to reach than North America or 
corporate?

I hope that Pentax is flooded with orders from early adopters of the 645D, and 
that drives the price down, as well as helps them iron out all the wrinkles.  I 
hope that there are enough people complaining about lack of tethering that they 
get a good tethering solution, and that it trickles down to the APS models.

I also hope that the 645DII is to the 645D what the K-5 seems to be to the K20, 
and in not too many 

> 
> Though I'm currently quite happy with the K-5. Been spending whole
> evenings finding out just how far one can push things in Lightroom
> without producing any noticeable of noise. Incredible, absolutely
> incredible...
> 
> As to your shot, I honestly don't see how I could have done any better,
> especially since such simple nature shots are far more demanding than my
> industry scenes which are quite spectacular just by their subjects. 
> 
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Re: Lightroom file management question

[David J Brooks]

I do not import direct from camera or card to LR. I also have
directories set up for Nikon, Pentax and Canon(my g3 IR P&S) and copy
my camera files/folder to which ever camera i am shooting, and use sub
folders such as 11-10-10-jays in back yard.

Those photos are copied to the folder, then i open LR and import that
directory. Seems to work well, and no lost files, so far.

Dave

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>

> E.g., the images on my camera are in subfolders by date in a folder for the 
> year. When importing directly from the camera into LR end up with a subfolder 
> for "2010" in the folder for "2010." Then I have to move the folders in the 
> subfolder to the folder, which I find awkward in LR. It would be easier to do 
> in Finder before importing the dated folders into LR.
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Re: The right tool for the job

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Theodore Beilby wrote:

>> Pointing directly at the moon it wouldn't have made a difference, but do 
>> polarizers have the same effect at night on darkening the blue >of the sky? 
>> Can 
>> they be used to bring out the stars better?
> 
> 
> Larry, light is light, right. The main difference is the amount that is 
> there. 

Except that the light that comes from the moon is reflected. Reflection is one 
thing that causes polarization of light, but that' is usually off of flat, non 
conductive surfaces. Conductive surfaces (metal) don't reflect polarized light.

The effect of the atmosphere on the light, I would guess, would be the same 
whether it's from the sun, or the moon.

I also expect that the color balance in both the visible and the invisible 
spectra would be different between moonlight and sunlight.

> It still has the same properties so I would think it would have some effect 
> though it might be hard to tell while you are looking through the viewfinder. 
> You would also loose approximate 2 stops, so would give you longer shutter 
> speed.

That is another factor.

> This is just speculation on my part, I have not tried using a polarizer 
> at night. 
> 
> Try it and see what happens.

I plan to sometime.  It would have required thinking of it when I was grabbing 
my cameras out of my car.

I think that my biggest lapse in forethought was in not bringing a microfiber 
cloth to wipe the dew from the front of the lens. That may have contributed to 
the softness that Ann saw.

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> Later 
> 
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Re: OT: what has kept me away these past few weeks

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> So after  I returned from my trip back home to Chicago to  attend the
> funeral of my oldest friend and stay with her family a few days,
> O shuffled off to Detroit and Toronto... I did post before that I got to see
> Christine nd Paul S and Knarf  - and I have to tell you all how
> much they were a comfort ...

Ouch and ouch agin.

Sorry to hear about the bad karma going on lately but its good to hear
form you again

Hope you mend quickly.

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Re: Be afraid, be very afraid

[David J Brooks]

Well, the session went quite well.

A bit of a pain with two different Canons and 1 book, but we pushed through.

One thing for me, is i have re confirmed my reasons for not buying a
Canon Dslr. Man, what a PITA their menu system is.

I think they now have a decent grasp on Tv, Av as well as M mode and
AF point adjustment and ISO.

The thing that impressed them the most was showing them the Histogram
and blinky features. They both quickly saw the importance of these
features, and used them on our walk around of the farm.

Oh, and one of the ladies is an ex KX shooter and gave me an M 200 F4
as a thank you gift.

Dave

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> As long as you don't have to write anything on the white or black board,
> Dave /wink wink, nod nod/
>
> I think the proper thing to say here is "break the leg". But I surely don't
> mean that literally :-).
>
> Have fun!
>
> Boris (who had to give a full 1 hour presentation on subject of what darn
> gadget to buy to the whole crew of his present employer)
>
>
> On 11/20/2010 2:11 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> I'm teaching a class Saturday, at noonish.
>>
>> Two of the horse show managers i worked with the past 10 years have
>> bought  DSLR cameras recently and want to break free from the Auto
>> mode, and asked if i could swing by for a few hours Saturday and go
>> over non Auto modes , and basically show them how to work them.
>>
>> I said yes.
>>
>> One has the fancy Rebel, the other the 60D, i think she said 60D.
>>
>> I'll show up with the K10D or D200 which ever has a battery in it.:-)
>>
>> Finally a chance to help rid the world of Auto settings photographers.
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: PESO: Little Guy

[Ann Sanfedele]

paul stenquist wrote:

Did some shooting at the Johnson Nature Center today. This guy is a tiny squirrel, probably less than a year old and fast as lightening. Got him while he paused on this tree. K5, A 400/5.6 with AF 560 flash and Xtender. ISO 1250, f6.6, 1/800th. Handheld of course. Nice to have a couple extra stops for this lens. 
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11979750&size=lg




 

Adorable.. But I'd guess from his coloring he could be a full-grown red 
squirrel - not necessarily a teeny teen...

Nice grab, Paul!
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Re: Boris Peso #52 - Evening walk

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very nice, Boris.  Strong composition, great colors and wonderful mood.

Dan
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On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Well, the work week is starting tomorrow, so I shall stop bothering you :-).
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-52-evening-walk.html
>
> It seems to me that should I get K-5, I will shoot in the evening much more.
>
> Be brutal and honest, as usual.
>
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Re: Boris Peso #52 - Evening walk

[Tim Bray]

Totally has the feel of a painting and captures a moment.

But it'd be better with a 645D. -T

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Well, the work week is starting tomorrow, so I shall stop bothering you :-).
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-52-evening-walk.html
>
> It seems to me that should I get K-5, I will shoot in the evening much more.
>
> Be brutal and honest, as usual.
>
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Re: PESO: Little Guy

[Tim Bray]

He's looking straight at you, thinking "What an noob... if he was
serious he'd be shooting me with a 645D"

 -T

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 2:29 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Did some shooting at the Johnson Nature Center today. This guy is a tiny 
> squirrel, probably less than a year old and fast as lightening. Got him while 
> he paused on this tree. K5, A 400/5.6 with AF 560 flash and Xtender. ISO 
> 1250, f6.6, 1/800th. Handheld of course. Nice to have a couple extra stops 
> for this lens.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11979750&size=lg
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Re: The right tool for the job

[Tim Bray]

That's an awfully nice picture.  No, you don't need a 645D.  I don't
need a 645D.  Nobody needs a 645D. If anyone on this list gets one I'm
going to send a poisoned Bolivian dwarf to teach them the error of
their ways.

-Tim

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I was driving home from dancing in SF, and seeing the mist and clouds lit by 
> the moon over some water I was compelled to stop and take a few pictures.  At 
> one point when I was bracketing two cameras (K20 and Kx) two lenses (16-50 & 
> 20/1.8), several isos and exposures, my first thought was that if I had a K-5 
> this would be so much easier because I'd at least know which camera body to 
> use.  Then I realized that for this shot I didn't need a K-5, I needed a 
> 645D. Then I realized what I really needed was Ralf's nightscape skills.
>
> Where my thoughts ended up, while waiting for the 30 second exposures, plus 
> the 30 second dark fields, is that what I'd really like to see is what Ralf 
> could do at night with a 645D, and that if Pentax were smart, they'd loan 
> Ralf a 645D for a few weeks, just to see what one could do for night time 
> landscapes.
>
> I need to go to bed rather than going through all of my n-dimensional 
> bracketing from three different shooting locations, but after a quick scan, 
> this seems to be one of the more promising shots:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5191532097/
>
> K20, ISO 400, 16-50 at 16mm f/2.8 30 second exposure.  Which matches my 
> previous experience that the sweet spot at night is a 30 second exposure with 
> the K20 at ISO 400.
>
> For the Bay Area Folks, this is shot from the frontage road, just north of 
> Black Road (Bear Creek exit off Hwy 17).
>
> If there's interest, I could post my full bracketing of one of the shots.  
> The last one I took ran into problems because the lens started fogging up.
>
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Re: OT: what has kept me away these past few weeks

[Theodore Beilby]

Ann said:   ... will someone start a nice pun thread?

MARK!

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Re: The right tool for the job

[Theodore Beilby]

>Pointing directly at the moon it wouldn't have made a difference, but do 
>polarizers have the same effect at night on darkening the blue >of the sky? 
>Can 
>they be used to bring out the stars better?


Larry, light is light, right. The main difference is the amount that is there. 
It still has the same properties so I would think it would have some effect 
though it might be hard to tell while you are looking through the viewfinder. 
You would also loose approximate 2 stops, so would give you longer shutter 
speed. This is just speculation on my part, I have not tried using a polarizer 
at night. 

Try it and see what happens.

Later 

Ted

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Re: PESO: Little Guy

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 20/11/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Did some shooting at the Johnson Nature Center today. This guy is a tiny
>> squirrel, probably less than a year old and fast as lightening. Got him
>> while he paused on this tree. K5, A 400/5.6 with AF 560 flash and
>> Xtender. ISO 1250, f6.6, 1/800th. Handheld of course. Nice to have a
>> couple extra stops for this lens.
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11979750&size=lg
> 
> Lovely shot Paul - have you a looser crop?
> 
Thanks Cotty. No looser crop. It's full frame. 
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Re: PESO: That most wonderful time of th year

[Larry Colen]

On Nov 20, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

> Thank Heavens we're heading for winter. No endless hours to wait until
> that stupid old sun has gone, the light is fine again, it's cold enough
> that everything steams and smokes as it should be. And all this at times
> when one can take pictures like the one linked below and still be home
> for dinner. 
> 
> Add to this a K-5 and life could hardly be any better. Haven't even
> needed to do a multi-exposure blending. Couldn't have dreamed of doing
> this with the K-7. 
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/23042534
> 
> As always, your comments and suggestions... :-)

Damnit Ralf, how am I supposed to wait until I have income to buy a K-5 if you 
keep posting pictures like that?

> 
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Re: off-camera flash

[Christine Nielsen]

The short spiral cable is only 3 ft long, right?  Why not just use the
in-camera wireless capability, if that's how far off-camera you're
going?  Save your money for lenses!  :)

My ttl cord is 6 ft, has the hotshoe connections built-in, and
available on amazon for about $40.  I'm not sure I understand why the
3-pc set is more versatile... What kind of jacks are on the hotshoe
adaptors?  Would they be used for anything other than the f5p ttl
cord?  Could you use a (pc or 1/8") sync cord to connect to manual
off-camera flash with these?

Just curious,
-c




On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:07 PM, eckinator  wrote:
> 2010/11/20 Charles Robinson :
>>
>> I got the 3-piece combo as a "buy it all, I'm not piecing it out" deal when 
>> I got my Tamron 90mm f/2.5 lens.  $120 for the lens, cables, 28-80 zoom, 
>> film camera body, and a camera bag which is now my primary bag.
>>
>> The price was right - I did some research on the cost of the Pentax parts 
>> and it's phenomenally overpriced for what it is!
>
> well let me know if you want to part with it, please
> i am thinking i may get the hotshoe adaptor f and short spiral cable
> f5p through amazon.com if noone has a used cable/set for sale - new
> 3rd party cables aren't that much cheaper and much less versatile
> cheers
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PESO: That most wonderful time of th year

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Thank Heavens we're heading for winter. No endless hours to wait until
that stupid old sun has gone, the light is fine again, it's cold enough
that everything steams and smokes as it should be. And all this at times
when one can take pictures like the one linked below and still be home
for dinner. 

Add to this a K-5 and life could hardly be any better. Haven't even
needed to do a multi-exposure blending. Couldn't have dreamed of doing
this with the K-7. 

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/23042534

As always, your comments and suggestions... :-)

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Re: PESO: Little Guy

[Cotty]

On 20/11/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Did some shooting at the Johnson Nature Center today. This guy is a tiny
>squirrel, probably less than a year old and fast as lightening. Got him
>while he paused on this tree. K5, A 400/5.6 with AF 560 flash and
>Xtender. ISO 1250, f6.6, 1/800th. Handheld of course. Nice to have a
>couple extra stops for this lens.
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11979750&size=lg

Lovely shot Paul - have you a looser crop?

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PESO: Little Guy

[paul stenquist]

Did some shooting at the Johnson Nature Center today. This guy is a tiny 
squirrel, probably less than a year old and fast as lightening. Got him while 
he paused on this tree. K5, A 400/5.6 with AF 560 flash and Xtender. ISO 1250, 
f6.6, 1/800th. Handheld of course. Nice to have a couple extra stops for this 
lens. 
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Re: off-camera flash

[eckinator]

2010/11/20 Charles Robinson :
>
> I got the 3-piece combo as a "buy it all, I'm not piecing it out" deal when I 
> got my Tamron 90mm f/2.5 lens.  $120 for the lens, cables, 28-80 zoom, film 
> camera body, and a camera bag which is now my primary bag.
>
> The price was right - I did some research on the cost of the Pentax parts and 
> it's phenomenally overpriced for what it is!

well let me know if you want to part with it, please
i am thinking i may get the hotshoe adaptor f and short spiral cable
f5p through amazon.com if noone has a used cable/set for sale - new
3rd party cables aren't that much cheaper and much less versatile
cheers
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Re: OT: what has kept me away these past few weeks

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> After I got home, there were a few um adventures..

Sorry to hear about all those mishaps but mighty glad to see you posting
again. 

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Re: OT: what has kept me away these past few weeks

[Ann Sanfedele]

paul stenquist wrote:


Hi Ann,

Sorry to hear about your bad luck. Hope everything heals quickly. The high 
cholesterol is undoubtedly my fault -- those hot dogs. Next time it's nothing 
but salads for you, young lady:-).

Paul



alas - had that been the only one I'd consumed in the last few months! 
but it is nice to have someone to blame

and now I'm gobbling hummus :-)

ann

 




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Re: The right tool for the job

[Adam Maas]

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 15:24, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all for your comments.
>>>
>>> Ann, I did some pixel peeping on other photos in the set looking for 
>>> evidence of tripod shake.  I think that one problem I'm having is 
>>> accurately focusing the 20/1.8 in the dark. I suspect that infinity is not 
>>> exactly infinity. On my cameras auto focus won't work in that light, and I 
>>> didn't bring my laser pointer.
>>>
>>
>> This is going to sound odd, but the last time I did long exposures at night, 
>> I found that using the Live View was a great way to quickly get my little 
>> points of light in the distance to be as tiny (thus, in-focus) as possible 
>> with a minimum of fuss.
>
> I tried that, but couldn't see anything in live view, I'll have to try again 
> and see what it takes to get it to work.

It does work, but can be a pain. Getting the stars to points is
probably the easiest, but for that shot I'd just set the lens to
infinity and use DOF.

>
>>
>> That and stopping down to f/8 or so.
>
> Good point, but I was already exposing at 30 seconds.
>

Bulb and a locking cable release, no reciprocity failure on digital so
test exposure at 30s, stop-down and reshoot

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Re: OT: what has kept me away these past few weeks

[Ann Sanfedele]

Miserere wrote:


On 20 November 2010 13:51, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
 


.
So now I'll try to return to my usual wise-cracking silly self for the
benefit of all... will someone start a nice pun thread?

ann
annsan.smugmug.com
   



Sorry to hear about your ordeals, Ann, but glad you're getting better.
As for your last request, I don't understand what you mean...what's a
pun? 




I thought this was a photography/cormorant group...

 


you must be one of the new guys... :-)

e-hugs,

thanks...
e-hugs are the only kind I can take right now!

ann



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Re: The right tool for the job

[Larry Colen]

On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

> On Nov 20, 2010, at 15:24, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>> Thanks all for your comments.
>> 
>> Ann, I did some pixel peeping on other photos in the set looking for 
>> evidence of tripod shake.  I think that one problem I'm having is accurately 
>> focusing the 20/1.8 in the dark. I suspect that infinity is not exactly 
>> infinity. On my cameras auto focus won't work in that light, and I didn't 
>> bring my laser pointer.
>> 
> 
> This is going to sound odd, but the last time I did long exposures at night, 
> I found that using the Live View was a great way to quickly get my little 
> points of light in the distance to be as tiny (thus, in-focus) as possible 
> with a minimum of fuss.

I tried that, but couldn't see anything in live view, I'll have to try again 
and see what it takes to get it to work.

> 
> That and stopping down to f/8 or so.

Good point, but I was already exposing at 30 seconds.

> 
> -Charles
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Re: A small rant on obtrusive copyright marks.

[Jaume Lahuerta]

- Mensaje original 

> De: Miserere 
> 
> On 19 November 2010 13:11, CheekyGeek  wrote:
> > A  conversation in another thread brought to my attention a "big 'ol"
> >  copyright image, designed to be nearly impossible to remove and even
> >  more impossible to miss. Frankly, when I see this sort of behavior, I
> >  see the "C" to stand for "Clueless" rather than "Copyright".
> >
> > I  would suggest that people who do this do not truly understand the
> >  concept of copyright. Only the smallest and most unobtrusive copyright
> >  mark is needed to fulfill the legal obligation of notification/claim
> > as  seen on the work itself. It seems to me that what those who use
> >  ginormous/intrusive copyright symbols are exercising is not their
> >  copyrights, but their fear that their images are going to be
> >  appropriated by others (which would be a violation of copyright). They
> >  are, in effect, more worried about the unauthorized dissemination of
> >  their copyrighted work.
> > This would indicate an ignorance of what rewards  are available to the
> > copyright owner (and conversely, penalties to the  copyright violator)
> > when your work is misappropriated.
> >
> >  In addition to misunderstanding the concept and exercise of copyright
> >  and severely reducing the income opportunities arising from their
> >  violation, you are also making your images far less likely to be
> > enjoyed  by those viewing them - damaging your image (in more ways than
> > one). One  might wonder why one bothers to put their images online if
> > they are  going to act against their own interests by doing so. In
> > fact, the best  way to assure no misappropriation of one's images is to
> > not put them  online in the first place.
> >
> > Darren Addy
> > Kearney,  Nebraska
> > My opinions are free, and worth every penny.
> 
> Wow Darren,  I never thought my (c) would annoy you so much  :-(
> 
> I've just  finished reading through the thread and am surprised at how
> angry you  sound.
> 
> I'll comment later on when I have some  time.
> 

I have to admit that:

1) I immediately thought on your pictures when I read the initial post.
2) I also find that (C)s particularly annoying/disturbing (basically beacause 
they don't allow me to fully enjoy your images)
3) I have never found that someone else has used one of my images without 
permission...Maybe if I would, my opinion would be different, so I never 
complained.

Regards,
Jaume



  

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Re: Lightroom file management question

[Charles Robinson]

On Nov 20, 2010, at 12:27, Eric Weir wrote:
> Thanks, Boris. I'm figuring out my routine. All suggestions are helpful at 
> this point. I've been importing directly into LR from the camera, but I can 
> see advantages to copying from the camera to the disk before importing into 
> LR. 
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BTW, this is what I do, too.  Get the files on disk before ever pointing LR to 
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Re: The right tool for the job

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 15:24, Larry Colen wrote:

> Thanks all for your comments.
> 
> Ann, I did some pixel peeping on other photos in the set looking for evidence 
> of tripod shake.  I think that one problem I'm having is accurately focusing 
> the 20/1.8 in the dark. I suspect that infinity is not exactly infinity. On 
> my cameras auto focus won't work in that light, and I didn't bring my laser 
> pointer.
> 

This is going to sound odd, but the last time I did long exposures at night, I 
found that using the Live View was a great way to quickly get my little points 
of light in the distance to be as tiny (thus, in-focus) as possible with a 
minimum of fuss.

That and stopping down to f/8 or so.

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Re: geso rendering preset

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On 20 November 2010 00:35, Christine  Aguila  wrote:
> fooling around with making my own developing presets in lightroom.
>
> http://www.caguila.com/caguila/yellowgreen/
>
> comments welcome.
> Cheers, Christine

The effect is a little bit too glowy for me, but otherwise I like it;
nice colours and tones.

#5 is a great shot, one I would have liked to have taken.


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Re: The right tool for the job

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On Nov 20, 2010, at 7:55, Larry Colen wrote:
> I need to go to bed rather than going through all of my n-dimensional 
> bracketing from three different shooting locations, but after a quick scan, 
> this seems to be one of the more promising shots:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5191532097/
> 
> K20, ISO 400, 16-50 at 16mm f/2.8 30 second exposure.  Which matches my 
> previous experience that the sweet spot at night is a 30 second exposure with 
> the K20 at ISO 400.
> 

Beautiful!

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Re: off-camera flash

[Charles Robinson]

On Nov 19, 2010, at 17:52, eckinator wrote:

> 2010/11/19 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
>> Somewhere in this mess I still have a Promaster Pentax TTL flash
>> cable, I think.
> 
> mail-archive.com says so, too - unless it's gone, that is... =)
> http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg554878.html
> 
> Good to hear that works well - I find the three piece solution by
> Pentax rather expensive

I got the 3-piece combo as a "buy it all, I'm not piecing it out" deal when I 
got my Tamron 90mm f/2.5 lens.  $120 for the lens, cables, 28-80 zoom, film 
camera body, and a camera bag which is now my primary bag.

The price was right - I did some research on the cost of the Pentax parts and 
it's phenomenally overpriced for what it is!

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Re: The right tool for the job

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Larry Colen  wrote:

> Then I realized what I really needed was Ralf's nightscape skills.

You're all far overestimating the role I'm playing in all this. 90
percent of it is living near the right places and being there when the
light is good. 

Yes, there is good and bad light at night. The time around full moon,
like tonight, is always good. Combine it with a few low hanging fluffy
clouds to give the sky more depth and you already have one half of a
good shot. 

Far less wizardry involved than you all think.

> I'd really like to see is what Ralf could do at night with a 645D

So would I. :-)

> and that if Pentax were smart, they'd loan Ralf a 645D for a few weeks,
> just to see what one could do for night time landscapes.

Anyone at Pentax reading this...? 

Though I'm currently quite happy with the K-5. Been spending whole
evenings finding out just how far one can push things in Lightroom
without producing any noticeable of noise. Incredible, absolutely
incredible...

As to your shot, I honestly don't see how I could have done any better,
especially since such simple nature shots are far more demanding than my
industry scenes which are quite spectacular just by their subjects. 

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Re: The right tool for the job

[Larry Colen]

On flicker, especially, I'm noticing blockiness in the sky.  I suspect that 
I've got my jpeg quality turned down too low for a photo where I'm pushing 
things this hard.

I suspect that these photos will go into the file marked 
Near miss, try and learn from them.

I'm not sure, however what I can learn from them other than that I occasionally 
run up against the limits of skill or equipment.

On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> Thanks all for your comments.
> 
> Ann, I did some pixel peeping on other photos in the set looking for evidence 
> of tripod shake.  I think that one problem I'm having is accurately focusing 
> the 20/1.8 in the dark. I suspect that infinity is not exactly infinity. On 
> my cameras auto focus won't work in that light, and I didn't bring my laser 
> pointer.
> 
> Pointing directly at the moon it wouldn't have made a difference, but do 
> polarizers have the same effect at night on darkening the blue of the sky? 
> Can they be used to bring out the stars better?
> 
> Here's one where I used the burn in brush in lightroom to darken the sky:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5193155990/
> 
> To do this right, I suspect I'd need to know a lot more photoshop.
> 
> And, for those that are interested some more shots from the set:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625430541230/
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>> I was driving home from dancing in SF, and seeing the mist and clouds lit by 
>> the moon over some water I was compelled to stop and take a few pictures.  
>> At one point when I was bracketing two cameras (K20 and Kx) two lenses 
>> (16-50 & 20/1.8), several isos and exposures, my first thought was that if I 
>> had a K-5 this would be so much easier because I'd at least know which 
>> camera body to use.  Then I realized that for this shot I didn't need a K-5, 
>> I needed a 645D. Then I realized what I really needed was Ralf's nightscape 
>> skills.
>> 
>> Where my thoughts ended up, while waiting for the 30 second exposures, plus 
>> the 30 second dark fields, is that what I'd really like to see is what Ralf 
>> could do at night with a 645D, and that if Pentax were smart, they'd loan 
>> Ralf a 645D for a few weeks, just to see what one could do for night time 
>> landscapes.
>> 
>> I need to go to bed rather than going through all of my n-dimensional 
>> bracketing from three different shooting locations, but after a quick scan, 
>> this seems to be one of the more promising shots:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5191532097/
>> 
>> K20, ISO 400, 16-50 at 16mm f/2.8 30 second exposure.  Which matches my 
>> previous experience that the sweet spot at night is a 30 second exposure 
>> with the K20 at ISO 400.
>> 
>> For the Bay Area Folks, this is shot from the frontage road, just north of 
>> Black Road (Bear Creek exit off Hwy 17).
>> 
>> If there's interest, I could post my full bracketing of one of the shots.  
>> The last one I took ran into problems because the lens started fogging up.
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT: what has kept me away these past few weeks

[paul stenquist]

Hi Ann,

Sorry to hear about your bad luck. Hope everything heals quickly. The high 
cholesterol is undoubtedly my fault -- those hot dogs. Next time it's nothing 
but salads for you, young lady:-).

Paul
On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> So after  I returned from my trip back home to Chicago to  attend the funeral 
> of my oldest friend and stay with her family a few days,
> O shuffled off to Detroit and Toronto... I did post before that I got to see 
> Christine nd Paul S and Knarf  - and I have to tell you all how
> much they were a comfort ...
> 
> After I got home, there were a few um adventures..
> 
> Firstly, in addition to grieving, I lost my roomate  to her boyfriend -- not 
> surprisijng, but didnt think it would happen so fast  - that actually
> was known before I left for Chicago, but she didnt move out until Nov 1st...  
> this was more than a financial shock because while she still
> has the store across the street and we visited briefly every day , she is now 
> only working in the store itself two days a week...  - and Id gotten
> in the habit of  briefly stopping by the store for a quick hello and exchange 
> of news in person that was always cheering... she has partnered up with 3 
> other women and they alternate store duty.
> 
> This also meant there were household chores she helped with that I was left 
> to do on my own - and I attempted things I should not have done alone... to 
> wit... when I got Luka's wonderful photo I was eager to get it up on the 
> walls and was switching things around and reframing etc to accomodate it...  
> I was standing on the couch.bed in the livingroom - lost my balance, and 
> stopped my self from falling all the way to the floor somehow by swiveling 
> around and coming down hard on my right shin on the wooden chair next to 
> couch.   a bit painful, though not quite as debilitating as it might have 
> been...
> 
> Then in one day  (two weeks ago exactly,actually)  I managed to have one of 
> those good news, bad news days...  
> Good news - the last box of things Barb's daughter sent me from Chicago (my 
> inheritance kind of) arrive in the morning so
> I put on new sneakers and made the bedroom look beautiful with the new 
> comforter and perused bits of nostalgia
> 
> Bad news - Ifell down on the cement and bruised my ribs, right under my 
> left boob , on the side of my body that already has
> lowered range of motion - I was relieved I didnt break anything and continued 
> to the store -- bad idea.. ice when home..  It
> was the worst physical pain I've felt in years.  and the rally annoying thing 
> was, I had to sleep on the couch in the livingroom as a result because I 
> couldnt climb up into my bed that was now looking so spiffy   I was 
> finally able to manage it a couple of nights ago...
> 
> Good news... I won $50 on a scratch ticket!  which is the amount Kate would 
> ahve paid me for a week.
> 
> Bad news _ I got the blood work from my doctor...  Cholesterol went up, 
> etc... so now I'm struggling to be a good girl with
> diet .  a couple of other things looked a bit off so I'm trying not to eat 
> wicked things and will get tested again before the end of the year
> so it is covered by this years deductable.  And I got instructed to get a 
> blood pressure machine .
> 
> So that Saturday wasnt much fun...  since then,  I was in a funk for a 
> while.. still am, really,  although I'm healed enough now
> so that I can and have taken long walks .
> 
> Can't do any shooting... hurts to hold the camera up to my eye
> 
> On the other hand, I have a rent controlled apartment and a lot of nice 
> friends...
> 
> So now I'll try to return to my usual wise-cracking silly self for the 
> benefit of all... will someone start a nice pun thread?
> 
> ann
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> 
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Re: Boris Peso #52 - Evening walk

[Miserere]

On 20 November 2010 12:38, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Well, the work week is starting tomorrow, so I shall stop bothering you :-).
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-52-evening-walk.html
>
> It seems to me that should I get K-5, I will shoot in the evening much more.
>
> Be brutal and honest, as usual.
>
> Boris

I think it's asking for a B&W conversion  :-)


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Re: Boris Peso #52 - Evening walk

[paul stenquist]

Nice composition and a pleasant scene. I like this one.
Paul
On Nov 20, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Well, the work week is starting tomorrow, so I shall stop bothering you :-).
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-52-evening-walk.html
> 
> It seems to me that should I get K-5, I will shoot in the evening much more.
> 
> Be brutal and honest, as usual.
> 
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Re: The right tool for the job

[Larry Colen]

Thanks all for your comments.

Ann, I did some pixel peeping on other photos in the set looking for evidence 
of tripod shake.  I think that one problem I'm having is accurately focusing 
the 20/1.8 in the dark. I suspect that infinity is not exactly infinity. On my 
cameras auto focus won't work in that light, and I didn't bring my laser 
pointer.

Pointing directly at the moon it wouldn't have made a difference, but do 
polarizers have the same effect at night on darkening the blue of the sky? Can 
they be used to bring out the stars better?

Here's one where I used the burn in brush in lightroom to darken the sky:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5193155990/

To do this right, I suspect I'd need to know a lot more photoshop.

And, for those that are interested some more shots from the set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625430541230/


On Nov 20, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

> I was driving home from dancing in SF, and seeing the mist and clouds lit by 
> the moon over some water I was compelled to stop and take a few pictures.  At 
> one point when I was bracketing two cameras (K20 and Kx) two lenses (16-50 & 
> 20/1.8), several isos and exposures, my first thought was that if I had a K-5 
> this would be so much easier because I'd at least know which camera body to 
> use.  Then I realized that for this shot I didn't need a K-5, I needed a 
> 645D. Then I realized what I really needed was Ralf's nightscape skills.
> 
> Where my thoughts ended up, while waiting for the 30 second exposures, plus 
> the 30 second dark fields, is that what I'd really like to see is what Ralf 
> could do at night with a 645D, and that if Pentax were smart, they'd loan 
> Ralf a 645D for a few weeks, just to see what one could do for night time 
> landscapes.
> 
> I need to go to bed rather than going through all of my n-dimensional 
> bracketing from three different shooting locations, but after a quick scan, 
> this seems to be one of the more promising shots:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5191532097/
> 
> K20, ISO 400, 16-50 at 16mm f/2.8 30 second exposure.  Which matches my 
> previous experience that the sweet spot at night is a 30 second exposure with 
> the K20 at ISO 400.
> 
> For the Bay Area Folks, this is shot from the frontage road, just north of 
> Black Road (Bear Creek exit off Hwy 17).
> 
> If there's interest, I could post my full bracketing of one of the shots.  
> The last one I took ran into problems because the lens started fogging up.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: A small rant on obtrusive copyright marks.

[Ann Sanfedele]

Bob W wrote:


gabby annie is back!


   


Welcome back!

Take my advice:


B




 


thank you!...
but .. but.. not sure what the link means vis-a-vis this stuff
   



the link means Gab On !!

 


oh no - I have been away too long!

duh!

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Re: A small rant on obtrusive copyright marks.

[Miserere]

On 19 November 2010 13:11, CheekyGeek  wrote:
> A conversation in another thread brought to my attention a "big 'ol"
> copyright image, designed to be nearly impossible to remove and even
> more impossible to miss. Frankly, when I see this sort of behavior, I
> see the "C" to stand for "Clueless" rather than "Copyright".
>
> I would suggest that people who do this do not truly understand the
> concept of copyright. Only the smallest and most unobtrusive copyright
> mark is needed to fulfill the legal obligation of notification/claim
> as seen on the work itself. It seems to me that what those who use
> ginormous/intrusive copyright symbols are exercising is not their
> copyrights, but their fear that their images are going to be
> appropriated by others (which would be a violation of copyright). They
> are, in effect, more worried about the unauthorized dissemination of
> their copyrighted work.
> This would indicate an ignorance of what rewards are available to the
> copyright owner (and conversely, penalties to the copyright violator)
> when your work is misappropriated.
>
> In addition to misunderstanding the concept and exercise of copyright
> and severely reducing the income opportunities arising from their
> violation, you are also making your images far less likely to be
> enjoyed by those viewing them - damaging your image (in more ways than
> one). One might wonder why one bothers to put their images online if
> they are going to act against their own interests by doing so. In
> fact, the best way to assure no misappropriation of one's images is to
> not put them online in the first place.
>
> Darren Addy
> Kearney, Nebraska
> My opinions are free, and worth every penny.

Wow Darren, I never thought my (c) would annoy you so much  :-(

I've just finished reading through the thread and am surprised at how
angry you sound.

I'll comment later on when I have some time.

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Re: OT: what has kept me away these past few weeks

[Miserere]

On 20 November 2010 13:51, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> So after  I returned from my trip back home to Chicago to  attend the
> funeral of my oldest friend and stay with her family a few days,
> O shuffled off to Detroit and Toronto... I did post before that I got to see
> Christine nd Paul S and Knarf  - and I have to tell you all how
> much they were a comfort ...
>
> After I got home, there were a few um adventures..
>
> Firstly, in addition to grieving, I lost my roomate  to her boyfriend -- not
> surprisijng, but didnt think it would happen so fast  - that actually
> was known before I left for Chicago, but she didnt move out until Nov 1st...
>  this was more than a financial shock because while she still
> has the store across the street and we visited briefly every day , she is
> now only working in the store itself two days a week...  - and Id gotten
> in the habit of  briefly stopping by the store for a quick hello and
> exchange of news in person that was always cheering... she has partnered up
> with 3 other women and they alternate store duty.
>
> This also meant there were household chores she helped with that I was left
> to do on my own - and I attempted things I should not have done alone... to
> wit... when I got Luka's wonderful photo I was eager to get it up on the
> walls and was switching things around and reframing etc to accomodate it...
>  I was standing on the couch.bed in the livingroom - lost my balance, and
> stopped my self from falling all the way to the floor somehow by swiveling
> around and coming down hard on my right shin on the wooden chair next to
> couch.   a bit painful, though not quite as debilitating as it might have
> been...
>
> Then in one day  (two weeks ago exactly,actually)  I managed to have one of
> those good news, bad news days...
> Good news - the last box of things Barb's daughter sent me from Chicago (my
> inheritance kind of) arrive in the morning so
> I put on new sneakers and made the bedroom look beautiful with the new
> comforter and perused bits of nostalgia
>
> Bad news - I    fell down on the cement and bruised my ribs, right under my
> left boob , on the side of my body that already has
> lowered range of motion - I was relieved I didnt break anything and
> continued to the store -- bad idea.. ice when home..  It
> was the worst physical pain I've felt in years.  and the rally annoying
> thing was, I had to sleep on the couch in the livingroom as a result because
> I couldnt climb up into my bed that was now looking so spiffy   I was
> finally able to manage it a couple of nights ago...
>
> Good news... I won $50 on a scratch ticket!  which is the amount Kate would
> ahve paid me for a week.
>
> Bad news _ I got the blood work from my doctor...  Cholesterol went up,
> etc... so now I'm struggling to be a good girl with
> diet .  a couple of other things looked a bit off so I'm trying not to eat
> wicked things and will get tested again before the end of the year
> so it is covered by this years deductable.  And I got instructed to get a
> blood pressure machine .
>
> So that Saturday wasnt much fun...  since then,  I was in a funk for a
> while.. still am, really,  although I'm healed enough now
> so that I can and have taken long walks .
>
> Can't do any shooting... hurts to hold the camera up to my eye
>
> On the other hand, I have a rent controlled apartment and a lot of nice
> friends...
>
> So now I'll try to return to my usual wise-cracking silly self for the
> benefit of all... will someone start a nice pun thread?
>
> ann
> annsan.smugmug.com

Sorry to hear about your ordeals, Ann, but glad you're getting better.
As for your last request, I don't understand what you mean...what's a
pun? I thought this was a photography/cormorant group...

e-hugs,


   —M.

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OT: what has kept me away these past few weeks

[Ann Sanfedele]

So after  I returned from my trip back home to Chicago to  attend the 
funeral of my oldest friend and stay with her family a few days,
O shuffled off to Detroit and Toronto... I did post before that I got to 
see Christine nd Paul S and Knarf  - and I have to tell you all how

much they were a comfort ...

After I got home, there were a few um adventures..

Firstly, in addition to grieving, I lost my roomate  to her boyfriend -- 
not surprisijng, but didnt think it would happen so fast  - that actually
was known before I left for Chicago, but she didnt move out until Nov 
1st...  this was more than a financial shock because while she still
has the store across the street and we visited briefly every day , she 
is now only working in the store itself two days a week...  - and Id gotten
in the habit of  briefly stopping by the store for a quick hello and 
exchange of news in person that was always cheering... she has partnered 
up with 3 other women and they alternate store duty.


This also meant there were household chores she helped with that I was 
left to do on my own - and I attempted things I should not have done 
alone... to wit... when I got Luka's wonderful photo I was eager to get 
it up on the walls and was switching things around and reframing etc to 
accomodate it...  I was standing on the couch.bed in the livingroom - 
lost my balance, and stopped my self from falling all the way to the 
floor somehow by swiveling around and coming down hard on my right shin 
on the wooden chair next to couch.   a bit painful, though not quite as 
debilitating as it might have been...


Then in one day  (two weeks ago exactly,actually)  I managed to have one 
of those good news, bad news days...  

Good news - the last box of things Barb's daughter sent me from Chicago 
(my inheritance kind of) arrive in the morning so
I put on new sneakers and made the bedroom look beautiful with the new 
comforter and perused bits of nostalgia


Bad news - Ifell down on the cement and bruised my ribs, right under 
my left boob , on the side of my body that already has
lowered range of motion - I was relieved I didnt break anything and 
continued to the store -- bad idea.. ice when home..  It
was the worst physical pain I've felt in years.  and the rally annoying 
thing was, I had to sleep on the couch in the livingroom as a result 
because I couldnt climb up into my bed that was now looking so 
spiffy   I was finally able to manage it a couple of nights ago...


Good news... I won $50 on a scratch ticket!  which is the amount Kate 
would ahve paid me for a week.


Bad news _ I got the blood work from my doctor...  Cholesterol went up, 
etc... so now I'm struggling to be a good girl with
diet .  a couple of other things looked a bit off so I'm trying not to 
eat wicked things and will get tested again before the end of the year
so it is covered by this years deductable.  And I got instructed to get 
a blood pressure machine .


So that Saturday wasnt much fun...  since then,  I was in a funk for a 
while.. still am, really,  although I'm healed enough now

so that I can and have taken long walks .

Can't do any shooting... hurts to hold the camera up to my eye

On the other hand, I have a rent controlled apartment and a lot of nice 
friends...


So now I'll try to return to my usual wise-cracking silly self for the 
benefit of all... will someone start a nice pun thread?


ann
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RE: A small rant on obtrusive copyright marks.

[Bob W]

> >>gabby annie is back!
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> >>
> >
> >Welcome back!
> >
> >Take my advice:
> >
> >
> >B
> >
> >
> >
> >
> thank you!...
>  but .. but.. not sure what the link means vis-a-vis this stuff

the link means Gab On !!

 ... oh wait.. the
> "getty (c)"  -- too bright.. but the right size :-)
> 
> ann
> 
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Re: Lightroom file management question

[Eric Weir]

On Nov 20, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> I have a folder for each camera I own - \K10D for Galia's camera and \K7 for 
> mine.
> 
> * When I import my or Galia's shoot, I first copy the files off the card to 
> either of these folders and rename the files/folders as I like.
> 
> * Then I open LR and right click on the respective folder and choose 
> "Synchronize Folder". This brings up the import dialog whereas the files are 
> already where I want them.
> 
> * Later on I assign key words, delete duds, and move the files as per my 
> storage organization.

Thanks, Boris. I'm figuring out my routine. All suggestions are helpful at this 
point. I've been importing directly into LR from the camera, but I can see 
advantages to copying from the camera to the disk before importing into LR. 

E.g., the images on my camera are in subfolders by date in a folder for the 
year. When importing directly from the camera into LR end up with a subfolder 
for "2010" in the folder for "2010." Then I have to move the folders in the 
subfolder to the folder, which I find awkward in LR. It would be easier to do 
in Finder before importing the dated folders into LR.  

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Re: Lightroom file management question

[Eric Weir]

On Nov 20, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

> I found this video on importing into Lightroom 3. 
> http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-lightroom-3/be-organized/   I just watched it 
> and it's good.  I don't know if you have verision 3 or 2.7; I have 2.7. The 
> video is 16 minutes long.  HTH.

Thanks, Christine. I'd watched this a couple months ago. Having worked with LR 
for a while now I now see lots of things I'd like to incorporate into my 
routine. I have difficulty remembering them once the video's over, but at least 
I'm able to experiment a little more intelligently. 

Between the video and the help file I figured out what to do what I wanted to 
do. I went ahead and deleted the "invisible" folder from the Finder, then used 
LR's Find Missing Folder command to establish a link to the folder I moved into 
its place.
 
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Boris Peso #52 - Evening walk

[Boris Liberman]

Well, the work week is starting tomorrow, so I shall stop bothering you :-).

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-52-evening-walk.html

It seems to me that should I get K-5, I will shoot in the evening much more.

Be brutal and honest, as usual.

Boris

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Re: geso rendering preset

[Ann Sanfedele]

Christine Aguila wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: geso rendering preset



Christine Aguila wrote:


fooling around with making my own developing presets in lightroom.

http://www.caguila.com/caguila/yellowgreen/

comments welcome.
Cheers, Christine


well I don't use lightroom so I dont know what "developing presets" 
means :-) but every one of those images are intersting...

The "grill" is my favorite and I like the irony in the last one...



Thanks, Ann.  And good to have you back.  It's kind of hard to read 
the sign, but I can work on that.


Yes its funny...


  You know, I owe you 4 dollars for lunch when you were in town.



woo  woo!  I didn't remember that...

You probably used that much in gasoline driving me around :-)

I'm about to write a bit to the list about my adventures since Chicago 
stay tuned..


xo,
ann





  Cheers, Christine








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[Ann Sanfedele]

Collin Brendemuehl wrote:


Ann,

It's a tough image no matter what the technique.
I like what you did, but it seems to minimize the fog that I was in.
Keeping some of that effect is challenging.
Thanks for your efforts.  I'll keep digging in.

Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
http://kerygmainstitute.org 

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose" 
-- Jim Elliott 
 



I actually prefer the color one in this instance. though felt it 
needed a bit of tweaking... difficult to get things sharp and

yet get that fog effect too...

I shot a lot of foggy morning things from the train to Chicago but all 
of them were too blurry to show anyone.


take what you will from what I sent you or fiddle with that more :_)


 






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Re: PESO #51 - Miserere

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Dave.

On 11/20/2010 1:52 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Fun shot

Dave

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-51-miserere.html

Posted with the explicit permission of the (human) model. No Pentax cameras
were harmed during the experiment :-).

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Re: PESO #51 - Miserere

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Christine. But in sooth, you were at the same room at the same 
time this shot was taken :-).


Boris


On 11/20/2010 7:41 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

That's fun! Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 11:33 AM
Subject: PESO #51 - Miserere



Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-51-miserere.html

Posted with the explicit permission of the (human) model. No Pentax
cameras were harmed during the experiment :-).

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Re: Lightroom file management question

[Boris Liberman]

On 11/20/2010 5:31 PM, Eric Weir wrote:


I haven't yet figured out how to tell Lightroom exactly where to put
my files during import. As a result, I have to move the files when
importing is finished. [I do it in Lightroom.]

I now have a folder dated 2010-11-18 that I want to put in my 2010
folder. Lightroom won't let me. It says there's already a file with
that name in the folder. While I can see the file in Finder, it
doesn't appear in the Lightroom file list. The files in the
"invisible" folder are duplicated in the folder I'm trying to move.

Can I just go into Finder and delete the "invisible" folder?


Eric, I know I am doing this the wrong way, but I've been doing it this 
way ever since LR 1.0 and I find it mighty convenient. So here goes:


* I have a folder for each camera I own - \K10D for Galia's camera and 
\K7 for mine.


* When I import my or Galia's shoot, I first copy the files off the card 
to either of these folders and rename the files/folders as I like.


* Then I open LR and right click on the respective folder and choose 
"Synchronize Folder". This brings up the import dialog whereas the files 
are already where I want them.


* Later on I assign key words, delete duds, and move the files as per my 
storage organization.


I hope this helps you.

Boris

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Re: off-camera flash

[Bruce Walker]

On 10-11-19 5:04 PM, eckinator wrote:

quick question for those who have tried both - to use a p-ttl flash
off camera would you advise using
a) pentax F (male / female hotshoe adaptor plus sync cable)
b) 3rd party cheapo cable solution
c) wireless, if so, which one?
thanks
Ecke



Ecke, I use the popup flash on my K20D to optically trigger my two 
AF-540FGZ's. P-TTL works, but results can be iffy depending on lots of 
factors. Triggering one flash is generally reliable, but triggering two 
flashes at once rarely works and I generally just switch to full manual 
on both flashes.


I've used optical remote triggering both indoors and outdoors and so far 
have found no need to buy RF triggers.


I have also used one 540 on-camera as a master to trigger the 2nd 540 in 
a softbox up to a dozen feet away outdoors. This has worked perfectly 
for me, but it's pretty-much a tripod-only affair. Add up the weight of 
the K20, a DA* 50-135 _and_ the 540 flash and you're talking a 
wrist-breaker.


One trick I've developed to make the popup optical trigger work better 
is to cover the popup with a white 35mm film canister that I've cut a 
rectangular slot into. This spreads the trigger flash around so it 
bounces off more surfaces and is reliably seen by the off-camera flashes.


BTW: I'm pretty sure you won't get P-TTL to work via any of the 
available RF triggers. P-TTL works via Pentax sync cables and some (but 
not all) 3rd-party sync cables, and via optical triggering. But none of 
the RF triggers get the extra flash hot shoe signals so can't do it.  
You'd have to switch your flashes to fully manual.


Good luck!

-bmw

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Re: The right tool for the job

[Theodore Beilby]

Larry, I like this one except for the spot right in the middle of the frame 
(porch light?) A little work and this might be a really good shot. 


Ted

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Re: It's a great lens, but not what I bought it for

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "eckinator" 


Subject: Re: It's a great lens, but not what I bought it for



2010/11/20 Ken Waller :


Yep. I bought my 600 FA for wildlife photography and found it was much
better for other people to carry.


Send it on over. You'd be amazed how well I carry lenses. I promise to
return it in EXC (EXpertly Carried) condition the very moment my arms
get weak!


No, No, No - you'll have to come over here and be at my beck & call for when 
I use it.   ;+}



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Re: geso rendering preset

[Christine Aguila]

I'm going to create a rendering preset and call it Mute Brooks.  :-) 
Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: geso rendering preset



On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


well I don't use lightroom so I dont know what "developing presets" means


Think of me at GFM, sleeping, and Don hitting the "Mute Brooks"
button. Tada, a preset.:-)

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Re: geso rendering preset

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- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Sanfedele" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: geso rendering preset



Christine Aguila wrote:


fooling around with making my own developing presets in lightroom.

http://www.caguila.com/caguila/yellowgreen/

comments welcome.
Cheers, Christine


well I don't use lightroom so I dont know what "developing presets" means 
:-) but every one of those images are intersting...

The "grill" is my favorite and I like the irony in the last one...


Thanks, Ann.  And good to have you back.  It's kind of hard to read the 
sign, but I can work on that.  You know, I owe you 4 dollars for lunch when 
you were in town.  Cheers, Christine




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Re: Lightroom file management question

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Eric:  I found this video on importing into Lightroom 3. 
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-lightroom-3/be-organized/   I just watched 
it and it's good.  I don't know if you have verision 3 or 2.7; I have 2.7. 
The video is 16 minutes long.  HTH.  Cheers, Christine






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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:31 AM
Subject: Lightroom file management question




I haven't yet figured out how to tell Lightroom exactly where to put my 
files during import. As a result, I have to move the files when  importing 
is finished. [I do it in Lightroom.]


I now have a folder dated 2010-11-18 that I want to put in my 2010 folder. 
Lightroom won't let me. It says there's already a file with that name in 
the folder. While I can see the file in Finder, it doesn't appear in the 
Lightroom file list. The files in the "invisible" folder are duplicated in 
the folder I'm trying to move.


Can I just go into Finder and delete the "invisible" folder?

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[Collin Brendemuehl]

Ann,

It's a tough image no matter what the technique.
I like what you did, but it seems to minimize the fog that I was in.
Keeping some of that effect is challenging.
Thanks for your efforts.  I'll keep digging in.

Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
http://kerygmainstitute.org 

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Re: A small rant on obtrusive copyright marks.

[Ann Sanfedele]

Bob W wrote:


[...]
 


gabby annie is back!
   



Welcome back!

Take my advice:


B


 


thank you!...
but .. but.. not sure what the link means vis-a-vis this stuff ... oh 
wait.. the "getty (c)"  -- too bright.. but

the right size :-)

ann




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Re: geso rendering preset

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> well I don't use lightroom so I dont know what "developing presets" means

Think of me at GFM, sleeping, and Don hitting the "Mute Brooks"
button. Tada, a preset.:-)

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[Ann Sanfedele]

Collin - I took the last one and fiddled with it a bit... I use ELements 
(5.0) too


HEre is what I did
ann adjusted "lightened shadows " 18%, decreased over all brightness 
AFTER that by _12%..  then upped the contrast by +26 slightly cropped 
righthand side to get that dark top right hand corner out.


I'm sending you my edit off list as an attachment --
It might be too light -- my monitor isn't realy calibrated and my eyes 
have a hard time with darks l but easy enough to just darken it over all...


HOpe this helps

( actually prefer the color photo for this kind of scene, tho)

ann

Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

First experiment:  color image.  
Ignore the dust spot in the center left.  yuk.


I'm using Elements 7.0.

The original color image
http://www.brendemuehl.net/_IGP7525_500.jpg


First attempt: not enough tonal range
http://www.brendemuehl.net/_IGP7525_500bw.jpg
Method: Adjust Color, Hue/Saturation, Edit: Reds, hue @ -180, slider @ 88/118


Second attempt:  better tonal range and contrast
http://www.brendemuehl.net/_IGP7525_500bw2.jpg
Method: (as above, plus) @ b&w conversion, Red +8, Contrast + 37


#1 looks like most of what I see out there -- it's the tones of what your eye 
catches.  It's useful, but there's something about learning to see in b&w that 
is different, and I guess it would apply to *how* one treats a neg just the same as 
to how one treats a digital image.  The second accomplishes the goal better -- 
giving emphasis to the center object in terms of both tonality and contrast.

But there is still much more work to be done.

Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
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Re: geso rendering preset

[Ann Sanfedele]

Christine Aguila wrote:


fooling around with making my own developing presets in lightroom.

http://www.caguila.com/caguila/yellowgreen/

comments welcome.
Cheers, Christine


well I don't use lightroom so I dont know what "developing presets" 
means :-) but every one of those images are intersting...

The "grill" is my favorite and I like the irony in the last one...

xo, ann





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RE: A small rant on obtrusive copyright marks.

[Bob W]

[...]
> 
> gabby annie is back!

Welcome back!

Take my advice:


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Lightroom file management question

[Eric Weir]

I haven't yet figured out how to tell Lightroom exactly where to put my files 
during import. As a result, I have to move the files when  importing is 
finished. [I do it in Lightroom.] 

I now have a folder dated 2010-11-18 that I want to put in my 2010 folder. 
Lightroom won't let me. It says there's already a file with that name in the 
folder. While I can see the file in Finder, it doesn't appear in the Lightroom 
file list. The files in the "invisible" folder are duplicated in the folder I'm 
trying to move. 

Can I just go into Finder and delete the "invisible" folder?

Thanks,
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Re: The right tool for the job

[paul stenquist]

Excellent shot. I find it very compelling. The horizon in the middle works well 
with your subject here.
Paul
On Nov 20, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

> I was driving home from dancing in SF, and seeing the mist and clouds lit by 
> the moon over some water I was compelled to stop and take a few pictures.  At 
> one point when I was bracketing two cameras (K20 and Kx) two lenses (16-50 & 
> 20/1.8), several isos and exposures, my first thought was that if I had a K-5 
> this would be so much easier because I'd at least know which camera body to 
> use.  Then I realized that for this shot I didn't need a K-5, I needed a 
> 645D. Then I realized what I really needed was Ralf's nightscape skills.
> 
> Where my thoughts ended up, while waiting for the 30 second exposures, plus 
> the 30 second dark fields, is that what I'd really like to see is what Ralf 
> could do at night with a 645D, and that if Pentax were smart, they'd loan 
> Ralf a 645D for a few weeks, just to see what one could do for night time 
> landscapes.
> 
> I need to go to bed rather than going through all of my n-dimensional 
> bracketing from three different shooting locations, but after a quick scan, 
> this seems to be one of the more promising shots:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5191532097/
> 
> K20, ISO 400, 16-50 at 16mm f/2.8 30 second exposure.  Which matches my 
> previous experience that the sweet spot at night is a 30 second exposure with 
> the K20 at ISO 400.
> 
> For the Bay Area Folks, this is shot from the frontage road, just north of 
> Black Road (Bear Creek exit off Hwy 17).
> 
> If there's interest, I could post my full bracketing of one of the shots.  
> The last one I took ran into problems because the lens started fogging up.
> 
> --
> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO 2010 - 201 - GDG

[Ann Sanfedele]

Gosh, he looks rather like the guy  (is his name Larry Gilbert?)  on 
"curb your Enthusiasm" and his enthusiasm is aptly very curbed...


Nice, Godders

ann


David J Brooks wrote:


I like the body language here and the detail.

The lights in or reflected by the rear window work well

Dave

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
 


A new photo blog post is available for your entertainment and thoughts:

http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/a-pause-in-the-conversation

Thanks for looking, comments always appreciated.

Godfrey
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Re: Finally did it

[Walter Gilbert]

  I have every confidence you'll find a warm (if belated) reception, 
Ted.  It took a full six weeks-plus for all of my original submissions 
to be accepted and/or declined.


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On 11/20/2010 8:29 AM, Theodore Beilby wrote:

Well, I finally did it, I signed up to the PPG and submitted some shots. Maybe
will have some rejects in time to post on the next pug.

Ted




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Re: The right tool for the job

[Ann Sanfedele]

Larry Colen wrote:


I was driving home from dancing in SF, and seeing the mist and clouds lit by the 
moon over some water I was compelled to stop and take a few pictures.  At one point 
when I was bracketing two cameras (K20 and Kx) two lenses (16-50 & 20/1.8), 
several isos and exposures, my first thought was that if I had a K-5 this would be 
so much easier because I'd at least know which camera body to use.  Then I realized 
that for this shot I didn't need a K-5, I needed a 645D. Then I realized what I 
really needed was Ralf's nightscape skills.

Where my thoughts ended up, while waiting for the 30 second exposures, plus the 
30 second dark fields, is that what I'd really like to see is what Ralf could 
do at night with a 645D, and that if Pentax were smart, they'd loan Ralf a 645D 
for a few weeks, just to see what one could do for night time landscapes.

I need to go to bed rather than going through all of my n-dimensional 
bracketing from three different shooting locations, but after a quick scan, 
this seems to be one of the more promising shots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5191532097/

K20, ISO 400, 16-50 at 16mm f/2.8 30 second exposure.  Which matches my 
previous experience that the sweet spot at night is a 30 second exposure with 
the K20 at ISO 400.

For the Bay Area Folks, this is shot from the frontage road, just north of 
Black Road (Bear Creek exit off Hwy 17).

If there's interest, I could post my full bracketing of one of the shots.  The 
last one I took ran into problems because the lens started fogging up.

--
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est





 

Larry - this doesn't look like it was worth the effort...  It looks like 
your tripod wasnt steady , for one thing...


ann




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Re: A small rant on obtrusive copyright marks.

[Ann Sanfedele]

CheekyGeek wrote:


On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
 


Darren, I am not certain I grok your rant rightly... Are you ranting about the 
copyright notices obscuring your view? Or are you ranting about the fact that 
people are clueless about copyright?
   



All of the above. The law of copyright does not require one to RUIN
one's work in order to be afforded its protection. In addition, they
are giving up a potentially significant income from those who choose
to violate their copyright. (As Mark's posts have highlighted).


Anyway, can you please show an example or two (preferably from different 
photogs) where copyright notice gets in a way of pleasant viewing...
   



I think we have all seen it, to various degrees. I doubt that is
necessary to shine the spotlight on any particular individual for
anyone to get the point of the post.

Darren
 

There are two examples I can think of ... one of them, sadly, 
mine...(accidentally)
Because I have my defaults on smugmug set to watermark new additions,  I 
have occasionally have found a photo of mine that
was accidentally slapped with the default "PROOF" watermark that smugmug 
offers  instead of my visible but tiny one...  I was
horrified when I saw it.. although it didn't have my name on it,  it was 
on my page.  certainly made it hard to view .


The NY TIMES has an elaborate watermark stamped all over certain black 
and white photos on line on repros they are selling.


Further,  when someone wants to see a closeup of the artwork on the 
cafepress site, a faint "SAMPLE" is printed all across the design
(often a photo, of course) .  

I haven't read all the posts in this thread (just getting back , really, 
from a recent hiatus)  but I remember Mark mentioning once that he 
protected his stuff by very slightly cropping the edges of all images he 
put on the web so that should one of his ended up in a blatantly

commercial venue  he could pursue it.

One thing I do though, is not put any of my photos on facebook - I 
hardly go there anyway... except one or two.


I use a larger watermark on photos I've taken for things I'm selling on 
ebay... because all my photos of things I'm selling are
the actual object  up for sale and constitute a lot of annoying work so 
"annsan scan" and the date appear on all, but not
obscuring the thing I'm selling.  


gabby annie is back!
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