Re: VESO - my pics friend's guitar and why you haven't seen me i a while

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Ann, 

Simply delightful! Wonderful photos, cool music orchestrating/coordinating 
them. 
Bravo to you and your friend! 

Keep going in that good place!  :) 

Hugz,
G
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> On Mar 18, 2024, at 8:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> You guys who do facebook too know some of this..
> a dear old friend of mine got back in touch with me recently.. and we have 
> been burning up the phone lines  with talk talk talk . aside from just plain 
> being fond of
> each other I love his guitar , singing and compositions and he loves my 
> photos.. so across the three thousand miles between NYC and southern 
> California we
> collaborated..  on my youtube channel - my found art series of photos and his 
> original bluesy guitar (music from decades old work from his archives)  is 
> here.
> I know some of you dig his kind of vibes...  here is the link to that one.  I 
> did the video in Windoze movie maker and dropped in his track.. which is why 
> it doesnt
> end quite as neatly as a musician would finish it off..
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ0IDmSd3_c=2s
> 
> This is the other one just finished is on his channel.  He's singing Kansas 
> City Blues with a couple of guys he played with more recently and I sent him 
> photos
> somewhat theme related .  The bass player was a good friend of his that 
> passed away within the last couple of years.. (Sugah Bugah Pearse)  .   The 
> 1st frame
> is a 1968 photo of mine from central park  NOT my friend Bob Zadman.. and the 
> 4th frame is from my corkboard - that's me with the long hair and plaid
> skirt at a Christmas office party dancing with one of my computer spec 
> writing colleagues.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJlrvRBkXs
> 
> hope you kids like these.
> 
> ann (in a very good place these days)
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thank you, Larry. 

Hmm. My Lancia is a 1967 model ... I seem to recall the Alfa Romeo type 105 
chassis replaced the Giulia Sprint and its siblings, starting around 1965 or 
1966, but I'd have to look them up to be certain. Doesn't matter really ... the 
Giulia Sprint and Guiletta Spider are lovely cars and a delight to drive. 

My Fulvia's muffler lost a dime sized hole out of the end of the main muffler 
last week, and the muffler is cracking all the way around now. But that small 
additional opening netted a rather pretty exhaust sound. So I've ordered an 
Abarth system to replace the stock exhaust and give the car a little more aural 
character ... the stock Fulvia Coupé exhaust is rather quiet, but that little 
V4 makes such a pretty sound it deserves a more sporting system to highlight 
it. :)

onwards! 
G

> On Mar 4, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It 
>> is a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got 
>> it loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the 
>> Right Coast tomorrow.
>> 
>> Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Rollei 35, the Voigtländer 
>> Perkeo II, etc, are "scale focus" cameras ... they have no rangefinder or 
>> TTL viewing system, you focus by setting a distance on the focusing scale.  
>> A true "zone focusing camera" is even simpler than this: the focusing scale 
>> has no distance markings, just symbols to indicate far, intermediate 
>> distances, and close up.
> 
> 
> 
> We may not always agree on everything, but I do admire and respect your 
> cyclopedic (Polyphemian?) knowledge on so many topics.
> 
> I did think of you yesterday when I passed a light blue Giullia(?) sprint of 
> similar vintage to yours. As I was driivng unfortunately as I was driving, 
> getting a photo wasn't feasible.
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It is 
a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got it 
loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the Right 
Coast tomorrow.

Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Rollei 35, the Voigtländer Perkeo 
II, etc, are "scale focus" cameras ... they have no rangefinder or TTL viewing 
system, you focus by setting a distance on the focusing scale.  A true "zone 
focusing camera" is even simpler than this: the focusing scale has no distance 
markings, just symbols to indicate far, intermediate distances, and close up.

Zone focusing is a technique that can be used with any camera that has a 
distance scale on the focusing mechanism. A DoF scale on the lens provides a 
lot of convenience but isn't strictly necessary since you can use a table of 
aperture-distance to focus zone with just a distance setting and known aperture 
on the camera. 

With the Minox 35 and Rollei 35, for quick shooting, I leave the aperture at 
f/11 and just have to remember two distance settings to be able to cover the 
normal shooting range from around 1.5m to infinity (close: 1.5m to 3.5m, far: 
2.5m to infinity, approximately). It's very easy to be very very fast making 
this setting and makes most AF systems look lethargic by comparison once you 
have it down. 

And obviously, when you want to use a large lens opening and are working in 
close, you have to measure or become much more accurate at estimating distance. 
Accurate estimation comes with lots of practice... and once you get it, it is 
instantaneous and unambiguous. :) 

It seems to me that most people today just want the camera to do all this for 
them, and then they fuss over focusing mode and targeting the precise subject, 
complain when it doesn't do exactly what they thought, etc etc. The speed and 
control that scale focus and zone focusing techniques lend to the picture 
making process is why I will likely always remain a retro-grouch and love using 
my antiquated cameras. :D

onwards, G

> On Mar 4, 2024, at 7:06 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago. Many. I don’t 
> know if it was the proper technical term, but I always thought it had a zone 
> focus system.
> Depending on amount of light available, I set f/ to /5.6, 8/, or 1/11, 
> usually used an ISO64 film, sometimes ISO200. Auto exposure.
> 
> One handed, I could pull the camera from my pocket or handlebar bag or from 
> the carabiner on my gear sling (rock climbing), open the flap-down lens 
> cover, adjust the focus zone to some approximate point on the dial 
> (2…3…5…10m...Infinity), look through the uncoupled viewfinder to compose, 
> shoot a frame or two, close the cover, return the camera to pocket… 
> Wonderfully simple to use, produced good results. Then I got more serious 
> about SLRs and longer lenses, etc. Today I do have a Ricoh GRiii which has 
> many of the same characteristics as that Minox, and I usually have it with me 
> even when I am primarily working with one of my real cameras. I can see the 
> appeal of a new film camera of this type.
> 
> Stan
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 5:16 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 04.03.24 um 10:53 schrieb Bob W PDML:
>>> Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square 
>>> negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll.
>> 
>> But it wouldn't look like what those youngsters expect a film camera to look 
>> like.
>> 
>>> In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera.
>> 
>> The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the 
>> Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no focussing 
>> control. Instead it's fix-focussed somehere mid-distance between here and 
>> infinity and you have to stop down to get whatever you want to be sharp into 
>> focus.
>> 
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:07 PM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2024, at 21:36, John Sessoms  wrote:
>> 
>> Can it reset the clock to LOCAL time?
>> 
>> That's the biggest problem I have with the clock - traveling to a different 
>> time zone and forgetting to set the camera's clock to the correct time zone, 
>> i.e. I have the camera set to "New York" (because it doesn't have a setting 
>> for "Eastern" time or "Raleigh, NC" and I'm in Albuquerque ... or halfway 
>> round the world, so the clock may be off anywhere 2 to 12 hours.
>> 
> 
> I’d expect the satellites to transmit UTC. Local time is a function of UTC 
> and the time zone offset and savings time, derived from the GPS coordinates. 
> 
> If I were you I’d set all my cameras to UTC, then you shouldn’t have any 
> problems merging image files from different cameras and getting the date/time 
> sorting all stuffed up. 
> 
> Then photograph a town name from time to time so you have an embedded record 
> of where you were. Modern operating systems can recognise and select text in 
> image files, so you can copy and paste it into the metadata if you want to.

Hmm. I like to keep the camera's date setting current, but rarely ever look at 
the time my cameras are set to. 
I order things in LR by frame number, not by time, and only very very 
occasionally use more than one camera at a time, so it's rarely an issue. 

If I do have two cameras output (iphone and m10m, or m10m and m10r), since I 
don't shoot all that many frames in a session on average, I can usually 
integrate all the photos together in the right sequence and then rename them 
into an ordinal sequence, if that seems important. I can also set the capture 
times into an ordinal range that way. 

Most of the time, I don't worry about time and date very much. Once I've 
rendered my photos and put together a set to display, whatever order they are 
in is what I choose, not what the frame numbering or the time/date sequence 
are. 

Life is sure simpler in the Polaroid instant film world where a pack of film 
has only eight exposures and I can remember exactly what sequence I shot them 
in… :D

G
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re: the GPS question (was: Re: Pentax APS-C cameras)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A number of interesting answers to the "why GPS" question, thank you. 

From the answers, I think my long-held workflow practices from non-GPS equipped 
cameras manage to do the same job … when traveling, I keep a journal and update 
it daily with the names and places of everywhere I've visited, any interesting 
sights, any specific photo ops I've made. Since LR came available in 2006, I've 
input a digest of this information with every import operation as IPTC 
information … locations, subjects and notion in keywords, etc. So it's 
typically a lot faster for me to say, "Hmm, where was this photo made and what 
other photos were made around there?" and find the answers by searching IPTC 
metadata rather than depending upon GPS information. GPS information adds to 
that IPTC metadata, but since only one or two of my cameras (and the 
smartphones) have ever had GPS tagging in them, way more of my needs in this 
domain come from the metadata tagging that has been part of my photography 
forever. 

(Older photography from the film era … well, I did the same annotation of the 
negatives with keywords, location, etc on the negative sleeves…)

Since the focus of my photographic efforts is only casually documentarian in 
nature for the most part, the notion of "needing" automated location/time-date 
stamping as part of my photographic efforts has simply never been part of my 
personal work by much. It is something of a curiosity when I go out with only 
the iPhone or the Light L16 cameras and later review the original photos I 
import in the Maps module of LR Classic. 

And of course, I normally strip all metadata in the photos I post to my flickr 
site. To me, the reason for posting photos has little to do, most of the time, 
with where, when, and what equipment was used in the making of the photos. I'm 
interested in the emotional content and expression of photographs, not in the 
literal description of what is imaged… 

Curious stuff to think about. Thank you again. 

G
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

S … All this discussion of GPS equipped cameras … I'm curious: Why do we 
need GPS location information in our photographs? 

Oh, I can see some uses for it, for specific purposes, but in general … I don't 
know why I'd want it. 
I figure when I want GPS location info, I just snap a photo with my iPhone at 
the same time I take a picture with any other camera, then copy-paste the GPS 
location information from the iPhone image into the other camera's photo. I 
haven't used it more than once or twice in the past ten years. 

G
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Re: Pentax APS-C cameras

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Henk: smartphones are centered on communications technology, where cameras 
generally are not. Thus the difference … a difference in engineering/design 
focus. 

I tend to agree with Paul on this, however: My favorite cycling camera is my 
now-ancient Light L16. It's like carrying a large cell phone, outputs 50 Mpixel 
raw files, has a zoom range from 28 to 150 mm, and has a full Android OS under 
the covers so it knows all about GPS, WiFi networks, and wireless 
communications. It works well hand-held or on a tripod. A delightful camera … I 
hope the battery lasts a few more years as I'll be sad when it's no longer 
usable. 

G

> On Jan 20, 2024, at 6:22 AM, Comcast  wrote:
> 
> For a bicycle trip all one really needs is a top of the line phone. In good 
> light and with the lens clean (very important with a phone) my iphone 12 pro 
> mac is nearly as good as my Pentax K3, and an iphone 15 pro max is several 
> generations better. And of course it privides GPS and great mapping 
> capability. It can even be used to make a phone call! The era of compact 
> cameras is over. Wrlcome to 2024.
> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>> 
>> For me it is incomprehensible that all smartphones have GPS but most DSLRs 
>> and mirrorless not. For landscape and nature pictures it is so useful to 
>> have it on my K-1. If GPS seems to easily fit in a flat phone, why not in an 
>> APSC-C? For me this is another step forward to kill real cameras sales in 
>> favour of smartphones.
>> The use of apps or the clip-on GPS module are cumbersome in the field and 
>> are only stopgaps.
>> 
>> Even adventure cameras like the new Pentax WG-90 do not have GPS.
>> Exceptions are the Ricoh WG-6 (for as long as it is available) and the new 
>> OM TG-7, however their image quality may be on the level of a good phone.
>> 
>> Henk
>> 
>> Op 2024-01-20 om 10:00 schreef Larry Colen:
>>> It seems that the only ones with internal GPS are the K-1, and the K-3II
>>> There might be some mode where you can use the gps off the phone through 
>>> the app on the K-3 III. Or that might be something that I saw my u4/3 can 
>>> theoretically do.
>>> What I have been doing on the K-3 III is just taking photos with phone, 
>>> importing those into lightroom, so I can use those to look on the map to 
>>> see where I took the photos.
> On Jan 20, 2024, at 12:01 AM, Alan C  wrote:
 
 Sorry, none of those - they all need the clip-on O-GPS1 as do the K3i & 
 K3iii, K5 series & a few others.
 
 It seem only the K3ii has built in GPS like the K1.
 
 Alan C
 
 On 20-Jan-24 06:30 AM, Alan C wrote:
> https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=pentax_k70=pentax_kf=pentax_kp=pentax_ks2
> 
> Alan C
> 
> On 20-Jan-24 01:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> What is the most recent Pentax APS-C camera that has built-in GPS like
>> the K-1? We're doing another bicycle trip in the summer and I'd like
>> something more compact than my K-1 but more capable than a phone.
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Re: Stupid Lightroom Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't think it's odd at all. For whatever solution I've come up with to do 
almost anything since I've known you, you've come up with a solution which is 
almost always the exact opposite. LOL! 

I use LR to work the organization of file on my hard drive for me 
automatically, and use IPTC information to establish categories, much of it 
automatically embedded into the metadata on import. If I then need files 
grouped by category (ie: by customer, or by job, or by project), I can find all 
the categories I want and move the files into such named directories inside LR 
efficiently and quickly, retaining the date organization .. or not .. according 
to my needs. Absolutely all of my original image file manipulations are on 
external volumes too, without exception. I use ONE working drive as fundamental 
repository, and two archive drives to secure and back that up ... period. This 
way I always know where everything in the working set, and the archive sets, 
is, primarily  by date but also by subgroups in the file system as well as by 
metadata descriptors like keywords, camera type, etc.  

Constantly renaming and changing parts of the original file storage system 
externally is most likely why LR does what it does in your case. 

How you want to manage your workflow is your business, I know many different 
ways to do it. I do what I do because I find it most useful, outside of LR, to 
locate things by the dates I remember, not by whatever "category du jour" I 
dreamed up at the time I imported them. I also arranged this setup so that if I 
dumped LR tomorrow and moved to another image processing toolset, I could do so 
without any losses other than my image processing/rendering efforts on 
unfinished work … the IPTC metadata is readable by almost any good image 
management software, and I save that into the files every time I do an import. 

My goal in responding was to explore what MIGHT be the issue that you are 
running into, not to tell you how to run your workflow. I don't really care 
about that. 

G

> On Jan 2, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR 
>> Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders 
>> panel. They never change place on the Folders panel.
> 
> Oddly, you and I seem to have different workflows.  I import files into my 
> "photos_fresh" directory on my SSD.  I then organize them into topical 
> subdirectories when processing.  You aren't interested in the full directory 
> tree methodology, but this way if Lightroom ever goes away, I have a nice 
> logical way of finding things in whatever I use next.  
> 
> Once I have finished processing, or at least sorting, the files they get 
> copied onto long term storage, an external case with my entire catalog on a 
> couple of drives. And every so often, I do a "catchup", where I "export to 
> catalog" all of the files I have edited since my last catchup, and then 
> import those changes to my "everything" catalog.  
> 
> Since I mostly only use the external drives when I'm archiving files, or 
> occasionally reworking old files, I don't usually even have it plugged in or 
> connected to the trashcan, protecting it from anything that might go wrong 
> with the computer.
> 
>> 
>> The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down 
>> through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo 
>> storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all 
>> folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I 
>> don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire 
>> directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other 
>> directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR 
>> Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders 
>> listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the 
>> import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, 
>> which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it 
>> up this way.
> 
> Hmm, interesting, it is convenient for me to know where certain directory 
> trees are.  Some years are on one of the external drives, other years on the 
> other. There are other branches as well.  I suppose that I could add some 
> meaningless directories "above" the ones I'm interested in, but even so I 
> don't believe I show all of the way to the root of each external drive
> 
>> 
>> That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D 
>> 
>

Re: Stupid Lightroom Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Oh yes: I also have LR set to display only the directory name, not the entire 
directory path, in the Folders panel. That might be affecting dynamic ordering 
as well. 

I doubt this problem has anything to do with an engineering decision trying to 
"help you". It's probably just a consequence of the way LR parses the directory 
names and orders the tree dynamically. When you make changes that affect the 
whole tree, it changes the parsing and display calculations; the ordering 
likely bubbles up the most recent changes to the top of the list as a side 
effect. 

G


> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR 
> Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders 
> panel. They never change place on the Folders panel.
> 
> The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down 
> through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo 
> storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all 
> folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I 
> don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire 
> directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other 
> directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR 
> Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders 
> listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the 
> import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, 
> which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it up 
> this way. 
> 
> That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D 
> 
> G
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13.  Over on the left side there is a 
>>> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. 
>>> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb.  The problem is that 
>>> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the 
>>> panel moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my 
>>> catalog, moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, 
>>> the order of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around.  My google fu 
>>> is just not strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT.
>> 
>> Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a 
>> drive when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and 
>> moving around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them.
>> 
>> Arrrgg!  Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't 
>> ask it to?
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Re: Stupid Lightroom Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR 
Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders 
panel. They never change place on the Folders panel.

The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down 
through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo storage 
directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all folder 
hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I don't see, 
in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire directory of 
original image files starting at its local root. Any other directory/file 
manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR Classic, and cannot 
reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders listing. There's no need to 
see the entire directory tree structure of the import volumes, only the 
directory trees from which you have imported files, which should always have a 
single root.. that's my logic behind setting it up this way. 

That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D 

G

> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13.  Over on the left side there is a 
>> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. 
>> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb.  The problem is that 
>> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel 
>> moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, 
>> moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order 
>> of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around.  My google fu is just not 
>> strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT.
> 
> Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a drive 
> when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and moving 
> around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them.
> 
> Arrrgg!  Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't 
> ask it to?
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Re: System damage from surge--still struggling

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

good questions.

something to try.. 

- Create a new folder and name it TestCat
- Copy just the .LRCAT file from your regular LR catalog folder into it, and 
rename the file TestCat.LRCAT
- Drag the .LRCAT file onto the LR Classic application icon

Lightroom Classic should open the catalog and regenerate all of the previews 
and other components in it. 

The logic behind this test is that if the reason LR Classic cannot open your 
catalog is that the previews are screwed up in the file system, this gives LR 
Classic an opportunity to completely re-generate all of the previews and 
thereby eliminate any possible file system problems that might be there in the 
previews and other ancillary files. If it works, you can either just adopt this 
new catalog as your working catalog, or go back to your original catalog 
folder, delete everything in there except the .LRCAT file, and do the same 
thing again so that you dont have to properly rename all the various files 
manually (assuming you want to keep the original name of the catalog 
folder/catalog).

If that does not work, either the LRCAT file is damaged or LR Classic.app is 
damaged. The next thing to do would be to delete the application and all of its 
sub folders, and reinstall it from scratch. Do the test again. If that doesn't 
work, the .LRCAT file is damaged: go to a back up. 

There is of course possible that the original file repository file system is 
damaged. If this is so, then the above test will not be able to find the files 
in order to recreate the previews and other data. That's a bad situation as it 
means you have to start afresh with a new catalog once you've vetted tat the 
original files have been properly copied to a newly formatted volume where the 
file system is fresh and without damage. It means you lose all the edits you've 
made, unless you have "Saved metadata to files" along the way. Hopefully, 
things are not that bad off.

G

> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:37 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Did you regress to an older version of lightroom classic?
> 
> Older lightrooms won't open catalogs from later versions.
> 
> Can lightroom open an empty catalog?
> 
> Can lightroom open a backup catalog?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 9:59 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I have the Mac OS working again, and Lightroom Classic opens… but I 
>> can’t get it to open my catalog.
>> 
>> I have spent =many= hours struggling with this, and I need professional help 
>> (much more of this stuff and I’ll need psychiatric help as well as cyber 
>> help).
>> 
>> How does one search for a cyber-professional familiar with Macs and Adobe 
>> apps? A Google search yields dozens of consultants for Apple and Adobe 
>> products in greater Philly, but they’re all oriented toward business systems 
>> and big projects.
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Rick
>> (=very= eager to get back to taking pictures)
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Re: OT: Lightroom naming help

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

yes, Lightroom Classic. Photo bundle @ US$9.95/mo.. It has everything you need. 
I download and install only LrC because it"s all I need, but the bundle gives 
access to PS, Lr, and other apps should you need or want to use them.

G

> On Dec 8, 2023, at 9:19 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all, the version Matt was using showed you can switch from cloud to
> desktop HD that’s the one that intrigues me but was unclear of the proper
> name
> 
> Dave
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Re: test 1 - godfreydigio...@me.com

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks mike. Shows that this is the email address that gets through, even if 
Mail puts it into the spam folder … like it does for 80% of all the active PDML 
posts. Wish I knew the cause of that… it's a PITA. 

G

> On Nov 11, 2023, at 8:56 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> No, you're in my SPAM folder, as usual...
> 
>> On 11/11/2023 16:49 GMT Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> replies and messages I've sent don't seem to be getting to the list. I'm 
>> testing both my email addresses to see if either of these get there. 
>> 
>> G
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thanks larry. the print scanner reply and the original test 1 made it through 
here too, finally. huge delay on the print scanner reply for me. And PDML mail 
from me and other people always goes into my Junk Mail folder for some reason. 
No idea why. 

G

> On Nov 11, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> This is the second email in about 10 minutes that I've gotten from you 
> through the list.
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2023, at 8:49 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> replies and messages I've sent don't seem to be getting to the list. I'm 
>> testing both my email addresses to see if either of these get there. 
>> 
>> G
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replies and messages I've sent don't seem to be getting to the list. I'm 
testing both my email addresses to see if either of these get there. 

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Re: OT: Print Scanner

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I would recommend using a service instead of buying a scanner. If your sister 
is like most people, the scanning is a one time task .. to do good scanning 
take time and practice … a *lot* of practice and a *lot* of time … and then, 
once done, the scanner is of limited value and you have to put more effort into 
selling it. Cheap scanners do a relatively poor job, the scanning services all 
use the best scanners. Etc. 

The scanning services are run by people who are pretty expert at the task and 
they do it efficiently and well, at a modest cost per photo. Scanning the 
family archive is a one-time task for most people … get the whole lot done, pay 
whatever it costs, and you're done: enjoy the photos. 

I've had good luck with ScanCafe.com … I've arranged and managed the scanning 
process with them for several of my old clients (when I was still working). 
Their prices are reasonable, and they give you some options in the kind of 
quality and costs, depending on your need/use of the photos. 

Good luck. 

Godfrey

> On Nov 10, 2023, at 5:41 PM, Ed Keeney  wrote:
> 
> Long time lurker.
> 
> My sister has been asking me about how to get her old printed photos
> scanned to digital files.  My guess is her family albums of 4x6's.
> Should she use a service or buy a bulk scanner (vs flatbed).
> 
> The scanners run $200-$600 depending on quality (Epson FastFoto
> FF-680W being the high end, Plustek the low end).  Hard to spend $600
> for what essentially is tool for only a limited amount of time.
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with either of these?  Preferences one
> way or the other?
> 
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Re: PESO: mushroom time!

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These are lovely, Henk! I particularly like the third photo. 

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>> On October 17, 2023 12:24:46 AM PDT, Henk Terhell  
>> wrote:
>> It is hard work at present to catch up with the variety of mushrooms
>> shooting out of the ground.
>> Here are just a few results of my efforts:
>> https://flic.kr/p/2p8nGqi
>> https://flic.kr/p/2p9cyf9
>> https://flic.kr/p/2p8CeML
>> 
>> Henk
>> 
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Re: PESO 2023 - Walking (262-268) - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

LOL! I certainly *own* more than one camera and one lens. That said, I usually 
don't *carry* more than one camera and one lens at a time. 

On a trip, I usually carry two-three lenses… or a zoom… and end up using one 
focal length more than 90% of the time. :)

G

> On Oct 6, 2023, at 4:53 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> I'm pretty sure Godfrey has more than one camera and/or lens.
> 
> On 10/5/2023 6:50 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> Take ONE camera, ONE lens, only shoot in B+W (film) or large/fine jpeg in 
>> MONO, wear a macintosh and trilby, and dance away clicking as you go. 
>> Guaranteed great shots :-)
>> Cotty
>>> On 4 Oct 2023, at 23:10, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Shortly we’re going to be taking a trip to France (first “real” trip since 
>>> before the pandemic), and that could shake some inspiration loose.
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Re: PESO 2023 - Walking (262-268) - GDG

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I dunno about the macintosh and trilby, but the rest works for me! :-)

G

> On Oct 5, 2023, at 3:50 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Take ONE camera, ONE lens, only shoot in B+W (film) or large/fine jpeg in 
> MONO, wear a macintosh and trilby, and dance away clicking as you go. 
> Guaranteed great shots :-)
> 
> Cotty
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2023, at 23:10, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> Shortly we’re going to be taking a trip to France (first “real” trip since 
>> before the pandemic), and that could shake some inspiration loose.
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As I contemplate where I am going with my photo efforts, I made a few more 
photos on my walk the other day.

Surfacing - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2p72cSH

set:

Walking - Santa Clara 2023 :: 
  https://youtu.be/WLLW4Ra2Aw8 (video presentation)
  https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAXenh (stills album)

All made with Leica M10 Monochrom fitted with Summicron-M 50mm and a green 
filter.

enjoy!
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Re: Ann-San

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Yes, good to know that you are well and safe Ann! 

My brother in Nyack had to have two sump pumps continuously running to keep his 
basement from flooding, and my friend Stephen battled driving home from Cape 
Cod through the thick of it.

Out here in the Uttermost West we had a mostly nice day, but then some clouds 
filled the sky and a light drizzle appeared for 20 minutes. Very unusual for 
this time of year … about a month early for any rain at all. Of course, on the 
local news, the sky was falling! LOL! 

be well! hugz,
G

> On Sep 30, 2023, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Right where I am it was not a big problem... but as much as only a few bocks 
> away there certainly were - and in other sections, oy.
> there were walls of water cascading down subway stairs.. many subway lines 
> suspended service.  But it was calm enough for me
> to talk a few blocks to keep my flu shot appointment at the local CVS.. it 
> wasn't windy, just a downpour and my sturdy poncho
> kept most of me dry.
> 
> But you must ahve gotten a bit too muchw ater down your way too ,JOhn  how 
> did you fare?
> 
> ann
> 
> On 9/30/2023 12:15 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
>> I hope you're doing Ok. I saw news that y'all had flash flooding in NYC.
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Re: PESO 2023 - 261 - GDG

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Thanks Ann! :D 

Yes, the gentleman on the right did get his order… his expressions were more 
the result of the conversation he was having with the unseen person further to 
the right … his spouse or girlfriend, I couldn't tell. 

My Saturday morning walking group gathers there for breakfast, and I'm usually 
the first there because i'm on the bicycle, so I nab the one large table and 
wait for them most times. :D They showed up and filled the table about five 
minutes after I made this photo. 

The sparseness of the cafe plus the way the Lomo lens rendered the scene and 
colors, together, is what tickled me. It's an interesting lens to work with: it 
records light and color in a way that I find appealing for some subjects. 

G

> On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:19 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> that's a great photojournalistic shot.  the disconnected sad world we are in. 
> BTW,  did the guy on the right ever get whatever theey forgot to bring him?
> and what were you doing sitting at a conferance tables :-)
> 
> xx,
> ann
> 
> On 9/30/2023 7:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> Having fun with an inexpensive lens on the M10-R …
>> 
>> At the Cafe This Morning - San Jose 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2p6dRAi
>> 
>> Leica M10-R + Lomo LC-A Minitar 32mm f/2.8
>> ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/25
>> 
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Having fun with an inexpensive lens on the M10-R …

At the Cafe This Morning - San Jose 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2p6dRAi

Leica M10-R + Lomo LC-A Minitar 32mm f/2.8
ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/25

Enjoy! 

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Dodge - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2p4TKzW

Made with the Voigtländer Perkeo II using Fuji ACROS 100. 

Enjoy! 

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My M10-M does a good bit of duty as a copy camera for scanning B negatives 
out of my Minox, 35mm, and medium format film cameras, fitted with a mount 
adapter and Leica R-system macro lenses.

Shadow's Birthday - Mountain View 2022 :: https://flic.kr/p/2oZP1x1

(Made with Kodak Retina IIc + Schneider Retina-Xenon 50mm f/2.8 on Ferrania 
FP30 rated at EI 80, processed HC-110 @ 1:40, 8 min processing.)

This negative was part of my testing Ferrania FP30: it is a very contrasty 
film, and EI 80 is much too high for it in HC-110. I'm glad I was able to 
retrieve this photo! The M10-M sensor's extraordinary dynamic range was a great 
asset here. 

A later film/processing test ... rating FP30 at EI 40, switching dilution to 
1:80, and processing for 16 minutes: it brings the contrast down nicely and 
allows the film to retain much more shadow value tonality. 

enjoy! 
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Re: LrC and travel

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I simplify for travel: I don't use LR Mobile, or cloud-based LR. 

When traveling, I'm using my iPads or iPhone. For the little I want to do in 
rendering when traveling, I use Photos+RAW Power, Snapseed, or Affinity Photo. 
Anything I do on the devices locally gets imported into LR Classic at home. 

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> On Jul 26, 2023, at 2:20 PM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> What I have run into is the following:
> 1. Load images from an SD card onto my iPad.
> 2. Open in LR Mobile, (with no internet, with synch paused).
> 3. Select/edit 3-4 images.
> 4. Attempt to export/share those images to another app. E.g. WordPress.
> 5. LR says “cannot complete. No internet connection. Images not synched.” Or 
> words to that effect.
> 
> I do not want to synch my images to Adobe Cloud, I just want to manage my 
> backing up and exporting/sharing on my own.
> 
> I tried on one trip, based in part on your positive experience Bob. I used 
> the Adobe system, created albums of 4-6 images, retrieved the web address, 
> shared those albums via WordPress entries. OK so far. But then I got home, 
> tried to put all the images from the trip on my local storage directly from 
> SD cards, merging with downloads of the ones I had shared already, and wound 
> up with a confusing mess. 
> 
> The Cloud-based approach is ok if that is all you use, if you always or 
> usually have a robust connection to the net. I have found it too complicated 
> to use in alternation with LR Classic. As I said earlier, I will give it 
> another try just because I really really want to leave the laptop home on 
> this next trip. Even though I distrust and dislike the app’s constant 
> attempts to use limited bandwidth. We’ll see…
> 
> Stan
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Re: I'm looking for an external drive bay

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I've been using OWC's Mercury Elite Pro drive enclosures for many years, one 
per drive. Not one has failed or had any problems at all, and they're as quiet 
as your drives are. 
https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/1394/USB/EliteAL/eSATA_FW800_FW400_USB

My standard setup has four of them connected to a USB 12 port hub, connected to 
whatever Mac mini or MacBook I happen to be using, either to a direct USB 3 
port or to a TB port using a TB to USB3 adapter. 

If you want something to reduce cabling, the OWC Mercury Elite Pro Dual with 
3-Port Hub handles two drives with up to 40TB capacity. I could see moving to 
two of these enclosures to reduce desktop clutter, but have no particular 
motivation to do so based upon failures and such so far. 

G


> On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:05 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> When I got a trashcan mac I also got an OWC thunderbolt 2 external drive bay 
> to go with it.  Unfortunately, not only is it a bit loud, but when I use it 
> as thunderbolt rather than USB it has a tendency to disconnect from my mac, 
> so that I'm constantly getting warnings about missing drives etc.
> 
> Rather than investing in another external T-bolt bay, I want to get a USB-C 
> external drive bay, and just use a T-bolt to USB-C adapter.  USB-C cables are 
> a lot less expensive, and I'll be able to use it with newer machines.  
> 
> I don't need RAID. At the moment my backup strategy uses multiple copies of 
> JBOD drives.  I don't mind it being something that would allow me to switch 
> to RAID later, or I'll just invest in a newer NAS when it's time to retire my 
> older Synology.  
> 
> My main archive is large enough that I don't want to hang multiple external 
> drives off my computer.
> 
> I need at least two drive bays, three or more would be better.
> 
> Does anyone have experience with a good, quiet, preferably inexpensive, USB-C 
> external drive enclosure?
> 
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Re: Lightroom requires a TB??

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> On Jul 18, 2023, at 9:08 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 18.07.23 um 17:02 schrieb Bill:
> 
>> I'd like a Maserati, but I can't afford it. Does this give me the right
>> to steal one?
> 
> Certainly not. But after you've legally bought one and paid the full
> price, they won't take it away from you if you don't keep paying year
> after year. Besides, an acquaintance of mine had one. That thing spent
> more time at the garage than on the road.
> 
> I have paid for Lightroom since their early days and when they pulled
> the plug on LR6 I've changed to ON1. Although they also lure me into
> buying yearly upgrades I don't have to if I don't want to and can still
> go on using it.
> 
> That said, I'm happier with ON1, the noise filter runs circles around LR
> and my photos look better.
> 
> Maybe I'm just old-fashioned. I don't borrow money to buy things and I
> prefer to own the things I buy. So, I'm still buying CDs instead of
> streaming.
> 
> Ralf


You never own software. You license it. Software always remains the property of 
the originator/vendor who produces it. Read the End User License Agreement 
included with every piece of software you ever use… It's much like a book or a 
photograph: You can own the physical book or photograph, but the rights to the 
words/image contained are always the property of the 
writer/photographer/publisher and are not yours to be utilized commercially for 
profit unless you pay them for a license to do so. 

LR Classic's latest "AI" noise filter is pretty darn good: 

Finished: https://flic.kr/p/2ovSe27
After - Before comparison crops: https://flic.kr/p/2ovRaG2 

… and that photo was made with the iPhone 11 Pro set to ISO 250, a ridiculously 
high ISO setting for a chintzy little sensor like a phone camera. 

I didn't buy any of the Adobe Cloud storage explicitly, although my $10/mo 
subscription comes with 20G as a default. I don't use it. My $10/mo 
subscription also comes with Photoshop as well as a few other apps that I have 
neither installed nor used. You only need to use what you want to use, that's 
all. Frankly, at $120 per year for the subscription, it's a bargain compared to 
paying about $500 for Photoshop, about $100 or Lightroom, and then paying for 
updates to both every 10-18 months. 

The transition from perpetual license to subscription licensing was not, as 
some people opine, to restrict some of the rampant software theft, although it 
does have that as a side effect. The transition services another essential 
need: with the perpetual license financial scheme, a company's income goes 
through a complex cycle of highs and lows depending on when updates for the 
major software products are to be released. This can create havoc with a 
development schedule as, when finances are low, you either have to borrow money 
or let go of personnel to keep the business afloat, and often if you lay off 
temporarily excess personnel, you can't get all of it back when the curve goes 
up. With a subscription license model, you build a user audience at a lower 
total price/profit level per user, but you have a consistent monthly income to 
work with from your installed user base, permitting better planning and more 
incremental development with a consistent personnel staff over time. It makes 
sense as a business model for a company like Adobe (and others who have gone to 
the subscription licensing model). 

I tried ON1 when I was looking for an alternative to LR (to stay away from the 
subscription…) and it managed to thoroughly hork up my image files and 
rendering work rather badly. LR v6.15 perpetual license had, by the 
introduction of MacOS Catalina, so many broken parts I had to do something. 
That was three-four major macOS revisions ago, and there have been enough 
high-value improvements to the macOS revisions (even on my old Mac minis) that 
I'd rather update the OS and deal with what doesn't work in the apps. LR 
Classic has worked well, if not perfectly (nothing is ever "perfect"), and 
updates have been frequent and cost-free beyond the low monthly tithe due. 

The closest thing I've found to a consistent and quality replacement for 
Lightroom (Classic) is/was Apple's Photos app combined with Gentlemen Coders' 
RAW Power. I use that combo about half the time nowadays: for a low cost, RAW 
Power is available for and runs well on all of my computers/devices, and Photos 
is regularly updated, improved with each iteration of the OS as well. But there 
are still things that Lightroom Classic does easily that I haven't found in any 
other package (like easily configurable, maintainable printing templates) with 
the same degree of ease and quality. And at $10/month, the cost is trivial, 
even without using all the bits I don't use. ;)

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Re: Lightroom requires a TB??

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

My main system where I edit thousands of images in LR Classic is a 2019 Mac 
mini with 32G RAM and 1T startup/internal storage drive. My working image file 
repository is a 6T external drive connected to the computer with USB 3.1. 

I think they're recommending you have a 1T storage drive as a minimum, because 
LR Classic does a lot of reading/writing to disk when in operation, but I 
suspect it will work fine with less space if perhaps not as efficiently. I've 
run it using systems that have down to 8G RAM without problems. 

512GB is really not a lot of storage if you're seriously doing a good bit of 
photography these days. A larger external drive for your photo library is 
likely a good idea. 

G

> On Jul 17, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
> Finally getting around to signing up for Lightroom. The website indicates a 
> TB of memory is required. A whole TB? Really? I only have 512 GB on my new 
> MBA.
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Beginning to look through a bunch of photos I made earlier in the year but 
hadn't done much rendering of for lack of time. Heh, everyone loves flowers...

Yellow Flowers - Caspar, CA 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2oP4Qdp
Leica M10-R + Summarit-M 75mm f/2.4
ISO 100 @ f/8 @ 1/90

enjoy! 

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PESO 2023 - 223 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

This was taken on a walk in April. 

Poppies - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2oNpFRx
Leica M10-R + Summarit-M 75mm f/2.4
ISO 125 @ f/2.5 @ 1/60

Enjoy! 
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Re: PESO 2023 - Fulvia special - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks guys! 

I had the little beastie out yesterday: It has become a very fun car to drive 
and enjoy. Looks good, handles well, makes a lovely and not overbearing sound, 
and is remarkably comfortable given how teensy it is (the length of a Mazda 
Miata but 9 inches narrower!). 

The Lancia Fulvia Coupé is so rare to see on the road nowadays that every time 
I stop somewhere, a half a dozen passers by will stop, do a double take, and 
take photos of it with their phones. There can be a gathering of a dozen 
Porsche or Miata owners in the grocery store parking lot, and they all come 
racing over to gawk at my dinky little Italian classic... LOL! 

G

> On Jul 7, 2023, at 9:57 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Looks good. The wheels still have a Lancia personality, and the removal of 
> the chrome strips is in keeping with competition versions of the Fulvia I’ve 
> seen.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> 
>> Nice, tasteful mods ! 
>> 
>> Ken Waller
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Sent: Jul 1, 2023 1:29 AM
>> To: PDML , PAW Picture-A-Week project , 
>> SeePhoto Talk 
>> Subject: PESO 2023 - Fulvia special - GDG
>> 
>> While I was in the hospital, my classic Italian sports carthe 1967 
>> Lancia Fulvia Coupwas in the body shop having some rust 
>> repair of the rocker panels done. I'm out of the hospital now, and Signora 
>> Fulvia is also back at home.
>> 
>> In the course of doing the rust repair, I changed its looks a little bit by 
>> painting the rocker panels a textured flat black, instead of the matched tan 
>> body color, and removed the original chrome trim strips that ran under the 
>> doors on both sides.
>> 
>> The result came out just as I'd hoped: A slightly trimmer, sportier look and 
>> more in keeping with the early '70s Cromodora wheels that I've now got 
>> fitted than the late '60s Campagnolo rally wheels that I'd had on the car 
>> before.
>> 
>> https://flic.kr/p/2oLFwr7 :: Fulvia, Refinish Rocker Panels
>> 
>> While that was being done, I had also located the original badging for the 
>> rear ("LANCIA Fulvia" in fine chrome on the transom) and a pair of the 
>> 'bumper support' caps that cover the spots in the bodywork where the rear 
>> bumper supports used to come through
>> 
>> https://flic.kr/p/2oLD4Mh :: Fulvia, New Tail Badge
>> 
>> because everyone, or at least *almost* everyone, with a Lancia 
>> Fulvia Coup removes the bumpers to make the car look more like the 
>> Lancia Fulvia rally cars that won so many races in the late 1960s-early 
>> 1970s. :)
>> 
>> Photos made with iPhone 11 Pro using the Moment camera app, raw output, and 
>> rendered in Lightroom Classic.
>> 
>> Oh yes: My partner, Felipe, picked the car up for me a few days before I 
>> returned home. He made a few snaps of it with his phone to show me what had 
>> been done. I put them together into a short video presentation, just for the 
>> fun of it:
>> 
>> https://flic.kr/p/2oKzr9J
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> No matter where you go, go there in a Lancia.
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Re: What Adobe product?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Jul 2, 2023, at 1:03 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 'm most impressed with RAW Power used in conjunction with Photos … I could 
>> actually make that my only image management system for macOS, iOS, and 
>> iPadOS, and dispense with the Adobe, Affinity, and Snapseed software 
>> entirely. There's no real issue with doing that, just a bit of work to 
>> re-organize my photographic storage and learn fully the use of Photos and 
>> RAW Power, but the cost of the Adobe and other software is low enough that 
>> I've been too lazy to be bothered doing that thus far. :) …  It is, however, 
>> a good alternative app suite for my needs, should I decide to go that way.
> 
> I’m gonna go with the Lightroom Classic option, at least for the time being. 
> But curious, could you manage your older images Photos with Raw power? Would 
> you lose your processing?


That depends upon your organization and workflow, and what you mean. 

For my organization and workflow with Lightroom (now Lightroom Classic), the 
answer is yes: I could manage all my older photographs with Photos and RAW 
Power easily and not lose any of my finished image processing/rendering work. 
Note the specification of "finished" in that statement… 

This is because, from the very beginning when I started using Lightroom, I 
realized that a parametric editing system was an interpretive, live process … 
the *instructions* on what to do to an original image file is what the LR 
Catalog contains, the original image file is unchanged, so  when LR displays an 
image, it is reading the original image and interpreting it in a display 
preview according to the rendering parameters that you've set. If you open the 
original file with any other application or viewer, those instructions are not 
there and only the original file will be displayed. 

So my workflow rule is that when I reach a point where I consider a rendered 
photograph finished, I export it to a *new* file in a *separate* directory tree 
structure. This "bakes" editing parameters into the pixel values and writes any 
IPTC annotation in the individual files' metadata. Those exported files can be 
opened with any image viewer allowing you to see the results of your work. 

I maintain, then, two LR catalogs: 

- In Progress :: this catalog is what I import original image files with, do my 
rendering work, IPTC annotation, et cetera. 

- Completed Work :: this catalog contains ONLY finished work, no original image 
files, from a separate directory tree of finished work rather than original 
imports. 

To switch to using Photos and RAW Power as my tools, I would create two Photos 
libraries, paralleling the two LR catalogs. One library, the default one, would 
be used the same way "In Progress" is used currently in LR Classic, along with 
RAW Power to do rendering work. 

The other library would contain ONLY the directory tree of finished, rendered 
image files just as the "Completed Work" LR catalog does, and I would use only 
the image management and organizational tools in Photo since this library is 
not intended for image rendering at all; it's a tool for organizing, finding, 
and using the finished photographs outside of the editing/rendering domain. 

In doing such a changeover of tools, I would lose only un-finished editing work 
in the In Progress LR catalog, which I'm perfectly happy to do since if 
something is unfinished it means I haven't done any significant work on it 
anyway. Of course, I would take steps to ensure that all of the IPTC annotation 
data for any unfinished work was saved to disk either in xmp sidecar files or 
embedded into DNG, JPEG, and TIFF files before transitioning to Photos … that 
preserves whatever minimal work I'd done on the original image files (usually 
on-import keywording, identification, location, etc) that I would not want to 
lose. 

All of that data is already embedded in each of the finished photograph files, 
so that library would not require any prep to the "Completed Work" LR catalog's 
files at all. 

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Re: What Adobe product?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Jul 2, 2023, at 1:03 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 'm most impressed with RAW Power used in conjunction with Photos … I could 
>> actually make that my only image management system for macOS, iOS, and 
>> iPadOS, and dispense with the Adobe, Affinity, and Snapseed software 
>> entirely. There's no real issue with doing that, just a bit of work to 
>> re-organize my photographic storage and learn fully the use of Photos and 
>> RAW Power, but the cost of the Adobe and other software is low enough that 
>> I've been too lazy to be bothered doing that thus far. :) …  It is, however, 
>> a good alternative app suite for my needs, should I decide to go that way.
> 
> I’m gonna go with the Lightroom Classic option, at least for the time being. 
> But curious, could you manage your older images Photos with Raw power? Would 
> you lose your processing?


That depends upon your organization and workflow, and what you mean. 

For my organization and workflow with Lightroom (now Lightroom Classic), the 
answer is yes: I could manage all my older photographs with Photos and RAW 
Power easily and not lose any of my finished image processing/rendering work. 
Note the specification of "finished" in that statement… 

This is because, from the very beginning when I started using Lightroom, I 
realized that a parametric editing system was an interpretive, live process … 
the *instructions* on what to do to an original image file is what the LR 
Catalog contains, the original image file is unchanged, so  when LR displays an 
image, it is reading the original image and interpreting it in a display 
preview according to the rendering parameters that you've set. If you open the 
original file with any other application or viewer, those instructions are not 
there and only the original file will be displayed. 

So my workflow rule is that when I reach a point where I consider a rendered 
photograph finished, I export it to a *new* file in a *separate* directory tree 
structure. This "bakes" editing parameters into the pixel values and writes any 
IPTC annotation in the individual files' metadata. Those exported files can be 
opened with any image viewer allowing you to see the results of your work. 

I maintain, then, two LR catalogs: 

- In Progress :: this catalog is what I import original image files with, do my 
rendering work, IPTC annotation, et cetera. 

- Completed Work :: this catalog contains ONLY finished work, no original image 
files, from a separate directory tree of finished work rather than original 
imports. 

To switch to using Photos and RAW Power as my tools, I would create two Photos 
libraries, paralleling the two LR catalogs. One library, the default one, would 
be used the same way "In Progress" is used currently in LR Classic, along with 
RAW Power to do rendering work. 

The other library would contain ONLY the directory tree of finished, rendered 
image files just as the "Completed Work" LR catalog does, and I would use only 
the image management and organizational tools in Photo since this library is 
not intended for image rendering at all; it's a tool for organizing, finding, 
and using the finished photographs outside of the editing/rendering domain. 

In doing such a changeover of tools, I would lose only un-finished editing work 
in the In Progress LR catalog, which I'm perfectly happy to do since if 
something is unfinished it means I haven't done any significant work on it 
anyway. Of course, I would take steps to ensure that all of the IPTC annotation 
data for any unfinished work was saved to disk either in xmp sidecar files or 
embedded into DNG, JPEG, and TIFF files before transitioning to Photos … that 
preserves whatever minimal work I'd done on the original image files (usually 
on-import keywording, identification, location, etc) that I would not want to 
lose. 

All of that data is already embedded in each of the finished photograph files, 
so that library would not require any prep to the "Completed Work" LR catalog's 
files at all. 

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PESO 2023 - Fulvia special - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

While I was in the hospital, my classic Italian sports car—the 1967 Lancia 
Fulvia Coupé—was in the body shop having some rust repair of the rocker panels 
done. I'm out of the hospital now, and Signora Fulvia is also back at home. 

In the course of doing the rust repair, I changed its looks a little bit by 
painting the rocker panels a textured flat black, instead of the matched tan 
body color, and removed the original chrome trim strips that ran under the 
doors on both sides. 

The result came out just as I'd hoped: A slightly trimmer, sportier look and 
more in keeping with the early '70s Cromodora wheels that I've now got fitted 
than the late '60s Campagnolo rally wheels that I'd had on the car before. 

https://flic.kr/p/2oLFwr7 :: Fulvia, Refinish Rocker Panels

While that was being done, I had also located the original badging for the rear 
("LANCIA Fulvia" in fine chrome on the transom) and a pair of the 'bumper 
support' caps that cover the spots in the bodywork where the rear bumper 
supports used to come through…

https://flic.kr/p/2oLD4Mh :: Fulvia, New Tail Badge

…because everyone, or at least *almost* everyone, with a Lancia Fulvia Coupé 
removes the bumpers to make the car look more like the Lancia Fulvia rally cars 
that won so many races in the late 1960s-early 1970s. :)

Photos made with iPhone 11 Pro using the Moment camera app, raw output, and 
rendered in Lightroom Classic.

Oh yes: My partner, Felipe, picked the car up for me a few days before I 
returned home. He made a few snaps of it with his phone to show me what had 
been done. I put them together into a short video presentation, just for the 
fun of it:

https://flic.kr/p/2oKzr9J

Enjoy!

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Re: What Adobe product?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Oh yes: 

On my mobile devices (iPhone and iPad), I use Snapseed, Affinity Photo, and 
Photos supplemented by RAW Power for image management and rendering. 

- Snapseed is great because it's very easy to learn and use.

- Affinity Photo is a Photoshop replacement. It has versions to run on macOS, 
iOS, and iPadOS, and it handles things that Snapseed cannot. I use it primarily 
to handle edge cases that Snapseed cannot (like Leica M10 Monochrom and 
Hasselblad raw files). 

- Photos is pervasive throughout Apple's OS ecology, provides excellent image 
management capabilities, and RAW Power is a companion app that gives much 
greater access to user control of Apple's image management underlying 
frameworks. It's also available on all Apple OS platforms. 

I'm most impressed with RAW Power used in conjunction with Photos … I could 
actually make that my only image management system for macOS, iOS, and iPadOS, 
and dispense with the Adobe, Affinity, and Snapseed software entirely. There's 
no real issue with doing that, just a bit of work to re-organize my 
photographic storage and learn fully the use of Photos and RAW Power, but the 
cost of the Adobe and other software is low enough that I've been too lazy to 
be bothered doing that thus far. :) …  It is, however, a good alternative app 
suite for my needs, should I decide to go that way.

G


> On Jun 10, 2023, at 7:21 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> If you've been using an older version of Lightroom for your rendering work,  
> the current offering is Lightroom Classic for the same workflow and image 
> storage (local storage centric) features. Lightroom and Lightroom Mobile use 
> a cloud-based storage mechanism as primary. I don't use Adobe's cloud at all, 
> so I've never used them. 
> 
> Before Lightroom, I used Photoshop for all my rendering work. Since LR came 
> out, I've used it less and less to the point where I have not even installed 
> it on my system for at least eight or nine years. 
> 
> Photoshop Elements is a simplified, reduced feature version of Photoshop. 
> I've never used it; I tried it once and found the 'simplified' user interface 
> very off-putting. It is a standalone app and, for me, irrelevant.
> 
> The photographer's bundle of Lightoom and Photoshop for $10 per month (with 
> NO cloud storage addendum) includes access to both LR and LR Classic, 
> Photoshop, Bridge, Premiere Rush, Character Animator, UXP Developer Tools, 
> and a beta Aero apps. I pay for this subscription but only install Lightroom 
> Classic. Given how much I use it, $10/month is a reasonable deal for that. I 
> guess I could install Photoshop if I felt I really needed it, but that hasn't 
> happened. 
> 
> I've been on this subscription since the beginning of 2019 and it has worked 
> well and consistently, overall, and it keeps up to date with new features and 
> developments at no additional charge. 
> 
> G
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2023, at 5:58 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m going to be upgrading to a new Mac, silicon not Intel. I own a copy of 
>> Lightroom.I will need to upgrade. Sticking to Adobe there are three options: 
>> Elements, Lightroom, and Lightroom Classic. I have never used Photoshop. 
>> Don’t see myself using it down the road. Would Lightroom, i.e., without with 
>> Photoshop be equivalent to the copy of Lightroom that I own and itself 
>> probably has more power features that I need/will use? What about Elements?
>> 
>> My photography for some time now has been iPhone photography. I’ve 
>> considered just relying on Apple’s Photos app for editing. But with ought 
>> Lightroom I assume I’d lose access to the catalogue of photos that have been 
>> edited and managed with Lightroom.
>> 
>> Interested in experience and thoughts of others that would help me decide.
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Re: What Adobe product?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

If you've been using an older version of Lightroom for your rendering work,  
the current offering is Lightroom Classic for the same workflow and image 
storage (local storage centric) features. Lightroom and Lightroom Mobile use a 
cloud-based storage mechanism as primary. I don't use Adobe's cloud at all, so 
I've never used them. 

Before Lightroom, I used Photoshop for all my rendering work. Since LR came 
out, I've used it less and less to the point where I have not even installed it 
on my system for at least eight or nine years. 

Photoshop Elements is a simplified, reduced feature version of Photoshop. I've 
never used it; I tried it once and found the 'simplified' user interface very 
off-putting. It is a standalone app and, for me, irrelevant.

The photographer's bundle of Lightoom and Photoshop for $10 per month (with NO 
cloud storage addendum) includes access to both LR and LR Classic, Photoshop, 
Bridge, Premiere Rush, Character Animator, UXP Developer Tools, and a beta Aero 
apps. I pay for this subscription but only install Lightroom Classic. Given how 
much I use it, $10/month is a reasonable deal for that. I guess I could install 
Photoshop if I felt I really needed it, but that hasn't happened. 

I've been on this subscription since the beginning of 2019 and it has worked 
well and consistently, overall, and it keeps up to date with new features and 
developments at no additional charge. 

G

> On Jun 10, 2023, at 5:58 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m going to be upgrading to a new Mac, silicon not Intel. I own a copy of 
> Lightroom.I will need to upgrade. Sticking to Adobe there are three options: 
> Elements, Lightroom, and Lightroom Classic. I have never used Photoshop. 
> Don’t see myself using it down the road. Would Lightroom, i.e., without with 
> Photoshop be equivalent to the copy of Lightroom that I own and itself 
> probably has more power features that I need/will use? What about Elements?
> 
> My photography for some time now has been iPhone photography. I’ve considered 
> just relying on Apple’s Photos app for editing. But with ought Lightroom I 
> assume I’d lose access to the catalogue of photos that have been edited and 
> managed with Lightroom.
> 
> Interested in experience and thoughts of others that would help me decide.
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Re: GESO: Our just-completed Pennine Way walk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A lovely set of photos! Very nice! 

I haven't been out and about in Scotland since about 1995 or so. There is some 
simply beautiful countryside there! 

G

> On May 26, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Finishing up (finally) in Scotland a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720308386495
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Re: OT Time machine

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Dave, 

I couldn't say whether you've mucked things up without the machine in front of 
me to do some analysis, but perhaps these links on Time Machine backup 
management might help:

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/if-the-time-machine-backup-disk-is-full-mh15137/mac
(Note that El Capitan is too old to be included in the specific instructions 
that this page lists for, but most of the instructions for all the High Sierra 
to current Ventura versions of macOS are pretty much the same; one can make the 
assumption that TM on El Capitan isn't much different.)

https://www.macworld.com/article/673089/what-to-do-when-time-machine-backup-is-full.html

http://www.creativetechsupport.com/help/mac/transfer/timemachine/full.html

In general, it is not a good idea to manipulate the internals of a Time Machine 
backup manually (or any backup system, for that matter). When you do, you 
should do it in the very specific ways recommended in the links above. If a 
backup volume is getting too full, the best thing to do is to disconnect the 
old volume and archive it, add a new volume, and assign that to Time Machine. 

For example, I have a 1T internal drive and a 1T Time Machine volume connected 
to my system. I set up Time Machine such that it excludes my photography files 
(LR catalog folder and original files - those are managed on and backed up to a 
completely different set of external volumes which I consider to be much more 
efficient and robust than the automated TM backup system). When the 1T Time 
Machine volume is approaching 95% full, before TM starts deleting the oldest 
files, I disconnect it from the system and mark it with the date I removed it 
from the system. I then connect another 1T volume that I've reformatted and 
assign it to be the Time Machine volume, generate an entirely new backup on it. 
When that one gets to the 95% full mark, I do the same … the 1T volume I swap 
in is the original TM backup volume that I've reformatted and emptied. 

It takes about five to six years of use for a TM backup to become full to that 
point … I've only had to do this about three times … And any truly important 
data that I want to keep forever (like financial data) I archive into a 
completely independent archive system along with my photography files. 

G


> On May 12, 2023, at 5:39 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Have I screwed myself here? To free up some space in my time machine drive
> I moved 47 backup files from 2014 to trash. I know you have to delete the
> trash for the new storage info to show up in the toolbar but it seems to
> take forever to do anything when I ask to delete permanently, have i made a
> big mistake here or is there a way to speed up the delete process? Mid 2010
> con El Capitán,
> 
> it tries to erase but at the end gets this error:"The operation can’t be
> completed because an unexpected error occurred (error code -8072)". Can't
> find anything specific online? Any ideas?
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Re: Mac mail and Flickr not playing nice

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I have the same issue with Flickr emails going to Apple Mail.app but it's not 
consistent: sometimes the email displays correctly, other times not. 

After doing some comparisons of the raw email data from about 20 emails, half 
of which worked and half of which did not, I saw three-four places where the 
Flickr output was inconsistent in both. So I judged it a Flickr email issue, 
documented what I'd found, and sent it to Flickr as a server side bug. 

So far as I can tell, they haven't fixed anything yet. 

It doesn't really matter much to me since the link always works and it's my 
photo that I'm being notified of … I know what my photo titles are and don't 
need the image thumbnail to recognize what is being highlighted. 

G


> On May 11, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Flickr sends me notifications when someone likes one of my photos.  Those 
> notifications have a link to a thumbnail of said photo.  Macmailapp has 
> stopped showing those and just shows me a little question mark instead.  I’ve 
> tried turning off all mail privacy in the preferences, but that hasn’t helped.
> 
> Has anyone else dealt with and resolved this issue?
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Re: RIP Dan Matyola

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks for sharing the sad news, Bruce. 

I met Dan just once in person, but we had many conversations over the years 
both on the list and privately. A good guy, a pleasure to talk with. He'll be 
missed. 

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> On May 10, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Facebook alerted me today of messages about the passing of Dan
> Matyola, May 2, 2023, at 81 years of age.
> 
> I'm only a "FB friend" but we've chatted a bunch since I joined the
> list and I know he was a very long time PDML member. His last reply to
> the list was also May 2, amazingly.
> 
> I located a link to his obit:
> https://www.cusickfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Daniel-Matyola?obId=27875827
> 
> His FB profiles -- which his cousin has been adding updates to -- is here:
> https://www.facebook.com/daniel.j.matyola
> https://www.facebook.com/dan.matyola
> 
> I liked Dan and I know he was a steadfast PDML contributor. He'll be missed.
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Re: Slide scanners

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On May 1, 2023, at 9:54 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I scan a few slides and negatives from time to time using a copy-camera 
> approach now, with very good quality results. That's a doable prospect, 
> rather than doing hundreds to thousands of slides. 

> On May 1, 2023, at 10:54 AM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been using a Pentax Slide Holder 1X K with Pentax K extension tube #3, a 
> reversing adapter, and a Pentax-M 50mm macro attached to a MFT* digital 
> camera, lit by a Kaiser light table. It’s very quick and the results are 
> good, at least for use as proofs. 
> …
> *with a full-frame digital camera a different set of tubes/lens might be 
> needed but the principle is the same of course, and there would be increased 
> resolution from not cropping the unused bits of the 4/3rds frame. But I don’t 
> have a full frame colour digital camera. 

BobW, 

Sounds like my setup but instead of a dedicated slide holder attachment for the 
camera, I use a macro lens and a film carrier with the camera on a copy stand 
and a flat-panel light box providing the illumination. It's a bit more setup 
work, but very flexible. 

The film carrier I use is "The Essential Film Holder" … I have frames and 
guides for 35mm slide, strip, 24x65 ultrawide 35, 6x4.5, 6x6, and 6x9 formats. 

For 35mm slides, I mostly use the Leica CL (APS-C format) which allows a lower 
magnification to fill the frame and nets about 22-24 Mpixel depending on how 
fussy I am with framing setup. For capture speed, it's best to be a little 
loose and lose a couple Mpixels with cropping in post. Lately, I've been using 
the Leica M10-M for B negatives: It has more dynamic range than the color 
sensor and with 40 Mpixel full frame I can get extremely nice results even with 
6x6 negatives (resulting scan is ~26 Mpixel to capture a full square neg). 

Here's a little Flickr.com album where I document the camera setup, the EFH, 
and show a couple of recent slide scans I did with an old slide or three I 
found in my files from high school days.

  https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAhtoP

If anyone is interested in The Essential Film Holder, see 
https://clifforth.co.uk/ for details. 

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Re: Slide scanners

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi Rick,

In the past, I was been engaged to do such projects from time to time, the last 
time about a decade or so ago. It's very tedious work and takes forever. Since 
then, I recommend they have the scanning done by ScanCafe.com, who are well set 
up to do it efficiently. Plus you don't have to accept 100% of the scans 
either. 

The good film scanners that did this kind of work well with automation like 
that  (like the Nikon SuperCoolScan V ED) are all long out of production now, 
and they were quite expensive when new. Pro-grade equipment to do this work is 
available from limited suppliers but, again, it's designed for commercial 
applications and not approachable in price for home use.

I scan a few slides and negatives from time to time using a copy-camera 
approach now, with very good quality results. That's a doable prospect, rather 
than doing hundreds to thousands of slides. 

G


> On May 1, 2023, at 8:11 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Good day, all,
> 
> I have 20-odd binders of 35mm slides in slide pages, plus some carousels.
> 
> It’s time to digitize these.
> 
> So, I’m looking for a scanner that can automatically feed and scan a stack of 
> slides. Any recommendations (or warnings)?
> 
> Rick
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction Photos

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Well, I set all of my cameras other than the iPhone to raw-only format output 
so I'm hardly one to complain about the size of a raw file. 

I use the Moment camera app on the iPhone specifically to allow use of raw 
format files with the 1x and 2x cameras (the 0.5x camera does not support 
generating raw format output), nominally for the increased rendering potential. 
That said, the standard Apple Camera app produces very very good output in HEIC 
format and has all the benefits of JPEG image compression but with more dynamic 
range. The raw file does have a small edge, and with this new denoise algorithm 
that edge grows a bit. 

The size difference between the HEIC and the Moment camera's DNG output of the 
same image is 450Kbytes vs 15 Mbytes … obviously a huge difference. I don't 
have one of the later iPhones that can output raw from the Apple Camera app to 
compare against. 

fun fun fun… G


> On Apr 25, 2023, at 1:12 PM, Alastair Robertson  
> wrote:
> 
> Very impressive. I guess the DNG files are much bigger than a jpg, but with
> noise recovery like this on offer it would be tempting to keep the output
> set to DNG. I read somewhere that jpgs may be supported by lightroom's
> denoise function in the future.
> 
> Alastair
> 
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, 8:00 am Godfrey DiGiorgi, 
> wrote:
> 
>> There's a thread on the RangeFinder Forum in which the topic of Nikon F
>> and F2 cameras is being discussed. It made me nostalgic for my old Nikon F
>> Photomic FTn, which I owned and lived with constantly from 1969 to about
>> 1976 or so. Which drew me to thinking about the early Nikon F plain prism
>> that I got from Charles on this list, after it had been sitting sans lens
>> in a box in his basement for an unknown period of time, somewhere about a
>> decade or so ago.
>> 
>> Well, I had it overhauled and adjusted to spec, and found a lovely old
>> Nikkor 28mm f/2 lens for it, somewhere around 2012. And I've occasionally
>> run a roll of film through it ... it performs just as beautifully as my
>> first one did all those eons ago.
>> 
>> So I thought to myself: "Hmm, I've never posted a beauty shot of the
>> resurrected camera..." and figured I'd do one for the RFF folks. Of course,
>> I usually do such beauty shots nowadays with the iPhone since they're not
>> intended to be printed to any size, just have to look nice in a small JPEG:
>> 
>> Early Nikon F "Plain Prism" - Santa Clara 2023 ::
>> https://flic.kr/p/2ovSe27
>> iPhone 11 Pro
>> Moment Camera - DNG output
>> ISO 250 @ f/2 @ 1/70 @ 6mm lens
>> 
>> Now that wee little sensor in the iPhone 11 Pro is kinda stressed at
>> anything over ISO 50 (ISO 100 being the limit for a clean rendering IMO) so
>> I figured, "Here's an opportunity to see how good the new AI Enhanced
>> DeNoise in the latest version of Lightroom Classic might be!"
>> 
>> So here's an "after/before" comparison detail clip of the image, screen
>> captured out of LR Classic…
>> 
>> Enhanced DeNoise AI after/before ::
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/2191Gsz2ab
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction Photos

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

There's a thread on the RangeFinder Forum in which the topic of Nikon F and F2 
cameras is being discussed. It made me nostalgic for my old Nikon F Photomic 
FTn, which I owned and lived with constantly from 1969 to about 1976 or so. 
Which drew me to thinking about the early Nikon F plain prism that I got from 
Charles on this list, after it had been sitting sans lens in a box in his 
basement for an unknown period of time, somewhere about a decade or so ago. 

Well, I had it overhauled and adjusted to spec, and found a lovely old Nikkor 
28mm f/2 lens for it, somewhere around 2012. And I've occasionally run a roll 
of film through it ... it performs just as beautifully as my first one did all 
those eons ago. 

So I thought to myself: "Hmm, I've never posted a beauty shot of the 
resurrected camera..." and figured I'd do one for the RFF folks. Of course, I 
usually do such beauty shots nowadays with the iPhone since they're not 
intended to be printed to any size, just have to look nice in a small JPEG: 

Early Nikon F "Plain Prism" - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2ovSe27
iPhone 11 Pro
Moment Camera - DNG output
ISO 250 @ f/2 @ 1/70 @ 6mm lens

Now that wee little sensor in the iPhone 11 Pro is kinda stressed at anything 
over ISO 50 (ISO 100 being the limit for a clean rendering IMO) so I figured, 
"Here's an opportunity to see how good the new AI Enhanced DeNoise in the 
latest version of Lightroom Classic might be!" 

So here's an "after/before" comparison detail clip of the image, screen 
captured out of LR Classic… 

Enhanced DeNoise AI after/before :: 
https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/2191Gsz2ab

Have to say, I think the denoise algorithm does a pretty nice job. :)

enjoy!
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Re: K3-III metering

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> On Apr 24, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 24.04.23 um 20:46 schrieb Larry Colen:
>> The K-3 III metering seems to fall down “when things go pear shaped at 
>> night”.
> 
> As you might know, I like to do the odd night shot, mostly industrial
> scenes. As a matter of fact, I've never relied on any camera's metering
> under those conditions.

My best "meter" for difficult situations like that is a Kodak Pocket Photo 
Guide. It has an exposure calculator based on descriptions of scene type, and 
I've found its suggestions to be right on the mark nearly all the time.

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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> On Apr 22, 2023, at 3:12 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> ...
> For people who use photoshop $10/month is a great deal.  For people who only 
> use lightroom, it’s not such a good deal, as much or more as we were paying 
> for annual upgrades, and we simply lose the ability to continue using an 
> older version without paying.

I disagree. I use LR almost exclusively, but if at any time I needed/wanted to 
use Photoshop, I can download it, use it for what I need/want, and delete it to 
save disk space. LR with a perpetual license was about $129 retail list, often 
discounted to $90, and was updated about every 18 months with the update 
costing $25-50. Photoshop was about $400 and updated on a similar schedule for 
about $200. 

So call it six years I'd been using LR perpetual license. That's one purchase 
and three upgrades or about $190 or so. If Photoshop, it was about $900-1000. 
If both, add them together.

Now you get both for $120/year, regardless of which you want to use or how 
much, and you get updates about every two months. 

So one or both now price out to the same $720 over six years, which is a bit of 
a cost increase for the only LR user and a significant reduction for the PS or 
PS+LR user. 

Nothing forces you to do an update … you can continue to use an older version 
as long as you want as long as you keep paying the monthly. You do have to keep 
paying the monthly, however. This is probably a good thing even for you, not 
only for Adobe, since it implies that Adobe might remain in business and have 
software that works and that you're accustomed to available for your use when 
the Pentax K XXXVI ships. ;) 

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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> On Apr 22, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 22.04.23 um 18:51 schrieb Comcast:
>> I don’t know what “ransomware” is, but photoshop online has been a great 
>> deal. It’s installed on my box and faster than the last CC version. It costs 
>> ten bucks a month and includes bridge, ACR, photoshop, Lightroom and more. 
>> It upgrades automatically so I get all the latest features.
> 
> ...and you lose all your work and edits in Lightroom if you stop paying.
> Now, if this isn't a ransom I don't know what is.

Mmm. That's not correct. I could stop using LR tomorrow and not lose anything 
except my un-completed edits. It's a matter of both workflow and policy.

- When you edit metadata in LR, if you save to disk occasionally (like you 
should) the metadata and any editing parameters are stored in a sidecar file 
with each raw format image or embedded in the image itself if the image is DNG 
or JPEG format. 

- When you complete a rendering in LR, you should export it as a finished 
image. This wraps together all the image edits as well as any metadata you've 
annotated the image with and creates a new file will all that information 
completely outside the LR environment. Any image processing app that opens JPEG 
or TIFF output would be able to display exactly what you did, and all the 
metadata annotation, that was created with LR.

AND if I were to decide a year later that I'd like to use LR again, just 
re-open the database with a newly downloaded version of LR and everything will 
pop right back into place. 

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Re: If I had a photography bucket list item ...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Apr 20, 2023, at 8:00 AM, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
> 
> … it would be to get another 8x10 and have a pilot fly me to some place in 
> northern Canada or Alaska where nobody has been or photographed yet. And then 
> do it.
> 
> Also, I’d like to have Elon Musk fly me to Mars to photograph it as long as 
> there’s a guaranteed return trip.

I think, in the latter case, that if Elon were good buddy enough to fly me 
there, I'd just as well stay and enjoy the quiet. Presuming a couple years stay 
in an appropriate habitat and enough interesting videos in the library, of 
course.

I'd be happy to work for him as Greeter for the next expeditions... :)

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

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> On Apr 22, 2023, at 8:29 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 22.04.23 um 16:48 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:
>> Ralf, I'm glad ON1 is working so well for you.
>> 
>> I tested it pretty thoroughly some time back and found that it was near to 
>> unusable for my work. It seems to never stop processing and be finished with 
>> a job, no matter how small the number of files I gave it to work on. After a 
>> month of trying to use it, I gave up and erased it on my system.
> 
> It was indeed slower than LR while I had it on the Intel-based Mac Mini.
> On bigger jobs it drove the processor temp up to 100 deg c and then the
> computer would put the brakes on to keep it from getting any higher.
> 
> All that changed when I got the Mac Studio and moved the RAW files from
> a sluggish NAS to USB3 SSDs connected directly to the computer.
> Everything is fine and fast now.

Hmm. A $90 app that requires a multi-thousand dollar investment in higher 
performance computing equipment isn't really my idea of a good deal. ;) 

My raw image library has been stored on fast, locally-connected USB3 (since 
USB3 came out)  spinning and SSD media. And I have the top of the line 6-core 
Intel-i7 3.2Ghz Mac mini with 64G RAM and a 2T SSD internal drive where the app 
resides. It never got near to overheating; ON1 simply never finished chattering 
back and forth from storage to RAM. 

Anyway, I continue to be glad it's working well for you. It really doesn't 
matter what sort of software you use as long as you're happy with it and it 
gets the job you want done properly. :)

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Ralf, I'm glad ON1 is working so well for you. 

I tested it pretty thoroughly some time back and found that it was near to 
unusable for my work. It seems to never stop processing and be finished with a 
job, no matter how small the number of files I gave it to work on. After a 
month of trying to use it, I gave up and erased it on my system. 

I had similar experience trying to use Capture One, which some other folks I 
know never cease to extol the benefits of … I have tried to use it several 
times over the past 10 years and simply cannot get the hang of it. Just 
importing image files into it seems horrendously over-complicated and prone to 
making errors.

For the moment, I pay the $10/month fee for LR Classic and Photoshop, haven't 
bothered to even install Photoshop. LR Classic does an excellent job, every 
time. Such it is, eh? :)

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> On Apr 22, 2023, at 2:31 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 21.04.23 um 21:22 schrieb Paul Stenquist:
> 
>> Has anyone else on the list tried this? It’s a function in the latest 
>> version of ACR that is said to use SI for noise reduction. It does a very 
>> nice job. Still trying to decide if it looks natural, but it can certainly 
>> save a noisy shot.
> 
> All major image processing software appears to have some AI based
> denoising function nowadays.
> 
> As some of you might know, I've ditched Adobe's ransomware in favour of
> ON1 Photo RAW and its denoising never ceases to amaze me. Best of all,
> it doesn't only work on RAW files from digital cameras but also on TIFF
> files with analog film data and the results with scans of 25 year old
> 400 ISO stock are incredible.
> 
> Whatever I throw at it, noisy stuff from my *istDS or grainy colour
> film, I've got a bunch of shots that I'd never have published otherwise.
> 
> The same goes for DxO Photolab 6 but sadly it only works with RAW files,
> not scans.
> 
> Here's an example from ON1. ISO 400 colour negative made even worse by
> having it processed in a 1-hour-minilab, scanned after 25 years.
> 
> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/pride-of-bruges-fotoralfbe/45950975
> 
> Ralf

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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The latest update of LR Classic incorporates this "AI noise reduction" as well. 
I'll have to go backwards in time to find some older photos that need it, that 
I have already processed in older versions of LR and saved as TIFFs, so see 
what difference it makes. 

In general, none of my current cameras produce files that have any problems 
with noise. I don't think I've touched the noise reduction sliders with any of 
my photos for a couple of years now, at least. My more usual adjustment is to 
sharpening … where I find LR Classic tends, with some cameras, to over-sharpen 
by default.  

G


> On Apr 21, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else on the list tried this? It’s a function in the latest version 
> of ACR that is said to use SI for noise reduction. It does a very nice job. 
> Still trying to decide if it looks natural, but it can certainly save a noisy 
> shot.
> 
> Paul
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Re: ACR Enhanced Noise Reduction

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The latest update of LR Classic incorporates this "AI noise reduction" as well. 
I'll have to go backwards in time to find some older photos that need it, that 
I have already processed in older versions of LR and saved as TIFFs, so see 
what difference it makes. 

In general, none of my current cameras produce files that have any problems 
with noise. I don't think I've touched the noise reduction sliders with any of 
my photos for a couple of years now, at least. My more usual adjustment is to 
sharpening … where I find LR Classic tends, with some cameras, to over-sharpen 
by default.  

G


> On Apr 21, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else on the list tried this? It’s a function in the latest version 
> of ACR that is said to use SI for noise reduction. It does a very nice job. 
> Still trying to decide if it looks natural, but it can certainly save a noisy 
> shot.
> 
> Paul
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Re: Vacation suggestion

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> On Apr 19, 2023, at 8:15 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2023, at 7:40 AM, Mark Roberts  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
 Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>>> 
>>> ...or take enough film.
>> 
>> When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a lens
>> of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of the film
>> I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot with the
>> DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to check
>> exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a great
>> benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.
> 
> I agree with this.  You also get a backup in case something goes wrong with 
> the film processing, color in case you are shooting black and white film.  
> 
> While I’m quite capable of exposing the film correctly, our brains just 
> naturally edit the real world to not “see” certain annoying things, where we 
> can see them on the preview display.

It is a technique that basically locks you into static subjects which can stand 
making multiple exposures over a minute or two as you swap equipment around, 
and also carries the cost of having to lug around yet another camera. Seems 
less than appealing to me. I usually carry the minimum of gear, and 
particularly when I'm carrying a largish and heavy camera to begin with. 

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Re: Vacation suggestion

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> On Apr 19, 2023, at 7:40 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
> 
>>> Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
>>> Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>> 
>> ...or take enough film.
> 
> When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a lens
> of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of the film
> I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot with the
> DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to check
> exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a great
> benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.

... Or take enough time to expose properly. In an age before digital cameras 
and instant feedback on exposure, we had to understand the medium and learn how 
to use it without the benefit of such conveniences. :)

I have to do this today with the Polaroid cameras because I only get 8 
exposures per pack (at $2+ per exposure). And since the finished product is 
what comes out of the camera, I don't have the luxury or convenience of post 
processing it if I mess up. 

It's a wonderful discipline to learn both good exposure and proper framing. It 
saves a lot of wasted time in the post-capture department. 

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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi Mark,

In response to your thoughts, here are the results of using the Leica M10 
Monochrom to image an Xrite ColorChecker. 

Leica M10 Monochrom - ColorChecker to Grayscale :: https://flic.kr/p/2oudh5u
Leica M10 Monochrom - Swatch Comparison :: https://flic.kr/p/2oufwVz

As with using B film, you control spectral response in your captures (and the 
relationship between different colors in grayscale) by using B filtering, not 
with image post-processing. 

An interesting point is that the need to use B filtering to control tonal 
relationships between colors is nicely facilitated by the higher sensitivity of 
the monochrome sensor. I can't say about the Pentax K3-III Monochrome, but 
between the Leica M10-R and M10 Monochrom, both nominally 40 Mpixel FF sensors 
from the same sensor family, the difference in acutance and grayscale dynamic 
range is immediately apparent despite the similarity in size and type of the 
two sensors. 

Enjoy!
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> On Apr 13, 2023, at 2:24 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
> 
>> https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr
> 
> Looks interesting. I'll show it to my Digital Photography I class
> tomorrow (coincidentally, "Black & White" was the assignment for this
> week). It'll be interesting to see what they make of it and if there's
> any interest (I won't mention the price because that alone will kill
> any interest from students).
> 
> My thoughts tend in two directions: 
> 
> The disadvantage is being unable to really control spectral response.
> Since they've actually done away with the RGB filters over the pixels
> you're stuck with the spectral response you're given (other than by
> using traditional colored B filters): There'll be no adjusting the
> response curve in post the way you can with RGB images.
> 
> The advantages are, well first of all you *will* be able to use
> traditional colored B filters (the results when they're put over RGB
> sensors are weird). You'll also get higher sensitivity (no filters
> over the pixels) and lower noise (and no chroma noise at all!)
> Theoretically, you should also get finer detail, though with over 25
> megapixels crammed into an APS-C area I'm not sure how evident that
> will be. I'll wait for real-life tests but I imagine you'll need the
> highest resolution lenses to see much difference.
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi Mark,

In response to your thoughts, here are the results of using the Leica M10 
Monochrom to image an Xrite ColorChecker. 

Leica M10 Monochrom - ColorChecker to Grayscale :: https://flic.kr/p/2oudh5u
Leica M10 Monochrom - Swatch Comparison :: https://flic.kr/p/2oufwVz

As with using B film, you control spectral response in your captures (and the 
relationship between different colors in grayscale) by using B filtering, not 
with image post-processing. 

An interesting point is that the need to use B filtering to control tonal 
relationships between colors is nicely facilitated by the higher sensitivity of 
the monochrome sensor. I can't say about the Pentax K3-III Monochrome, but 
between the Leica M10-R and M10 Monochrom, both nominally 40 Mpixel FF sensors 
from the same sensor family, the difference in acutance and grayscale dynamic 
range is immediately apparent despite the similarity in size and type of the 
two sensors. 

Enjoy!
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> On Apr 13, 2023, at 2:24 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
> 
>> https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr
> 
> Looks interesting. I'll show it to my Digital Photography I class
> tomorrow (coincidentally, "Black & White" was the assignment for this
> week). It'll be interesting to see what they make of it and if there's
> any interest (I won't mention the price because that alone will kill
> any interest from students).
> 
> My thoughts tend in two directions: 
> 
> The disadvantage is being unable to really control spectral response.
> Since they've actually done away with the RGB filters over the pixels
> you're stuck with the spectral response you're given (other than by
> using traditional colored B filters): There'll be no adjusting the
> response curve in post the way you can with RGB images.
> 
> The advantages are, well first of all you *will* be able to use
> traditional colored B filters (the results when they're put over RGB
> sensors are weird). You'll also get higher sensitivity (no filters
> over the pixels) and lower noise (and no chroma noise at all!)
> Theoretically, you should also get finer detail, though with over 25
> megapixels crammed into an APS-C area I'm not sure how evident that
> will be. I'll wait for real-life tests but I imagine you'll need the
> highest resolution lenses to see much difference.
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Re: PDML Gothic

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> On Apr 11, 2023, at 4:26 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> ...
> I'm off for another day and a half in Connecticut and then back home... 

Thanks for the comments and compliments!

Back home last night. I just went through the photos I made on this trip … It 
was not a photo-oriented journey and I wanted to carry the minimums, so I 
carried little other than my Light L16 and its charger. I made about 70 
exposures total in the course of the week, and have to say they are most all of 
excellent technical quality. Photographic art? Well, that remains to be 
determined. :)

The Light L16 proves to be enough. Too bad Light.co <http://light.co/> decided 
that it was going to be a technology demonstration rather than an ongoing 
camera line, but such it is. 

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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

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On Apr 13, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> ...
> Basically, the technical arguments would be “are the tradeoffs worth it?”.  
> You are losing all of your color channel information in exchange for a little 
> bit better performance in other areas.  I suspect that the improved 
> performance (in monochrome) is about on par with the improved performance 
> gained by shooting full frame, or about one sensor generation worth of 
> performance. ...

You underestimate the gains quite a lot. I have both Leica M10 Monochrom and 
M10-R.. both full frame, both 40 Mpixel FF sensors. The M10-M outperforms the 
M10-R very noticeably on both acutance and dynamic range, on usable ISO as 
well... and the M10-R is no slouch either. The M10-M outperforms my MFD 
Hasselblad 907x with 33x44, 50 Mpixel sensor as well, despite the Hassy's full 
16-bit raw files.  

If your interest is the best quality B photography, there is little to 
compete with the M10-M until you get to the much, much more expensive (and 
slower operating), large format MFD back and a technical camera. 

I hope the Pentax KIII monochrome achieves something near the M10-M performance 
as its price will make it a much more accessible choice for those who are 
interested in this kind of work. 

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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I've been working with the Leica M10 Monochrom for about a year now. 

Larry has it correct ... Think of a monochrome camera's output as a simple 
recording based on the sensor's spectral sensitivity curve, just as you do with 
B film, and use B color filters to modify the translation of color tones to 
grayscale in the same manner that you do with B film. 

I don't know what "technical arguments" one might have against the notion of a 
monochrome camera. There are obviously trade-offs ... you don't get color 
recordings, you do get more dynamic range, acutance, and an increase in 
sensitivity. You don't have access to 'recovery' tools that will rebuild detail 
from overexposed data in two of three channels, so getting the exposure right 
without blowing highlights is important. The only 'marketing choice' about it 
is that monochrome-only cameras have proven to be a pretty popular niche 
product; offering one if you want to cater to niche audiences is a calculation 
of what profit you might make from the offering. 

Photographically, it's just as valid a notion as only buying B film for your 
film camera when you have a dozen choices of color film available right 
alongside. And if the advantages of the monochrome-only sensor speak to your 
work in a better way than B rendering of RGB channel data does, it's a good 
choice. 

I've been rendering B images from color capture data for 45 years. I still do 
today when I'm not using the M10-M. But that said, the output of the M10-M puts 
B capture quality at a different level of technical quality: it makes 
noticeably better quality B photographs compared to the best of 
RGB->monochrome rendered images. I hope the Pentax KIII Mono does as well. The 
monochrome-only digital camera suits me very well, but I understand completely 
that it does not suit all photographers or photographic purposes. :)

G

> On Apr 13, 2023, at 10:42 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> I don't think it is firmware on this one, I think it comes down to the 
> response of the silicon since it doesn't have a Bayer filter. You would have 
> to choose a color filter when shooting, just as with black and white film. 
> I could make all sorts of technical arguments against it, but it's really 
> just a marketing choice.  
> ...
> 
>> On April 13, 2023 7:27:23 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>> PhotoShop is my monochrome kit. I’d rather control how the various tones are 
>> rendered in grayscale rather than living it up to the camera and the techs 
>> who deisgned the firmware.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice! If they've done a good job of it, this is a much less costly entry 
>>> point into a dedicated monochrome kit. 
>>> 
>>> It's entertaining that its announcement happened within a day of Leica's 
>>> M11 Monochrom announcement, too.  
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr
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Re: Pentax K3-iii Monochrome

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Nice! If they've done a good job of it, this is a much less costly entry point 
into a dedicated monochrome kit. 

It's entertaining that its announcement happened within a day of Leica's M11 
Monochrom announcement, too.  

G

> On Apr 13, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> https://www.dpreview.com/news/2780405465/ricoh-announces-pentax-k-3-iii-monochrome-dslr
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Re: PDML Gothic

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

LOL! Props, we needed props! 

G

>> On Apr 11, 2023, at 9:36 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> I had one, but I sold it on ebay
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>>>> On 4/11/2023 7:43 AM, Bob W PDML wrote:
>>> Great shot. One of should have had a pitchfork in your hand!
>>> 
>>>>> On 11 Apr 2023, at 12:33, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm in NY for a short visit to deal with some family business and see a 
>>>> couple of friends ... And of course I visited Ann while I was here. :)
>>>> 
>>>> PDML Gothic - Manhattan, New York City 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2osw7km
>>>> 
>>>> The art of the selfie ... gads, it's harder than I think every time I try 
>>>> to make one. I made two with my iPhone that I deleted immediately, Ann 
>>>> made one with her CoolPix where she had a nice smile and I looked like I'd 
>>>> been smokin' dope for a day. This one I made with the Light L16 camera on 
>>>> self timer, camera set to about 75mm focal length: I cut my head off 
>>>> partially, but Ann has a mischievous look on her face that I like and at 
>>>> least the photo is reasonably sharp. The picture of the girl on the wall 
>>>> is one of Ann's paintings, based on a photo taken of her by her mom when 
>>>> she was a young girl.
>>>> 
>>>> It was a lovely hour! Ann, you're looking great! It was great to see you 
>>>> and spend some time together once again! :D
>>>> 
>>>> I'm off for another day and a half in Connecticut and then back home...
>>>> 
>>>> G.
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PDML Gothic

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'm in NY for a short visit to deal with some family business and see a 
couple of friends ... And of course I visited Ann while I was here. :) 

PDML Gothic - Manhattan, New York City 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2osw7km

The art of the selfie ... gads, it's harder than I think every time I try to 
make one. I made two with my iPhone that I deleted immediately, Ann made one 
with her CoolPix where she had a nice smile and I looked like I'd been smokin' 
dope for a day. This one I made with the Light L16 camera on self timer, camera 
set to about 75mm focal length: I cut my head off partially, but Ann has a 
mischievous look on her face that I like and at least the photo is reasonably 
sharp. The picture of the girl on the wall is one of Ann's paintings, based on 
a photo taken of her by her mom when she was a young girl.

It was a lovely hour! Ann, you're looking great! It was great to see you and 
spend some time together once again! :D

I'm off for another day and a half in Connecticut and then back home... 

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PDML Gothic

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'm in NY for a short visit to deal with some family business and see a couple 
of friends ... And of course I visited Ann while I was here. :) 

PDML Gothic - Manhattan, New York City 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2osw7km

The art of the selfie ... gads, it's harder than I think every time I try to 
make one. I made two with my iPhone that I deleted immediately, Ann made one 
with her CoolPix where she had a nice smile and I looked like I'd been smokin' 
dope for a day. This one I made with the Light L16 camera on self timer, camera 
set to about 75mm focal length: I cut my head off partially, but Ann has a 
mischievous look on her face that I like and at least the photo is reasonably 
sharp. The picture of the girl on the wall is one of Ann's paintings, based on 
a photo taken of her by her mom when she was a young girl.

It was a lovely hour! Ann, you're looking great! It was great to see you and 
spend some time together once again! :D

I'm off for another day and a half in Connecticut and then back home... 

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PESO 2023 - 147 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Made a few weeks back while on my usual daily walk around the neighborhood. 

Doorways - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2oqNMNN

Enjoy! 
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Re: GESO 2023 - A Walk in Late March - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thank you, Ann! :)

G


> On Mar 26, 2023, at 5:09 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Like a bunch of 'em... but my strong favorite is this one..
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/52772811103/in/album-72177720307004866/
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 3/26/2023 6:19 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> That is an extremely interesting set of images.  You have a real talent for
>> turning the ordinary into fine photographs.
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 4:52 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> wrote:
>> ...
>>> A Walk in Late March 2023 #12 :: https://flic.kr/p/2opm6eV
>>> 
>>> The rest of the set is available in this Flickr album:
>>>  https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAxetq
>>> 
>>> I also collated the entire set into a slideshow using Lightroom Classic
>>> and posted that to YouTube, for those who enjoy the slideshow experience
>>> with musical accompaniment:
>>>  https://youtu.be/IXywiCopr90
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Re: GESO 2023 - A Walk in Late March - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thank you for the compliment, Dan! :D

G

> On Mar 26, 2023, at 3:19 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> That is an extremely interesting set of images.  You have a real talent for
> turning the ordinary into fine photographs.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 4:52 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> 
>> ...
>> A Walk in Late March 2023 #12 :: https://flic.kr/p/2opm6eV
>> 
>> The rest of the set is available in this Flickr album:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAxetq
>> 
>> I also collated the entire set into a slideshow using Lightroom Classic
>> and posted that to YouTube, for those who enjoy the slideshow experience
>> with musical accompaniment:
>> https://youtu.be/IXywiCopr90
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GESO 2023 - A Walk in Late March - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I went on a iPhone specific photo walk last week... didn't carry any other 
camera, just the iPhone with the Apple Camera app, the Moment Camera app, and 
the ShakeIt Photo camera app. I ended up using the ShakeIt Photo app almost 
exclusively... 

The result was a set of 30 fauxlaroids (simulated Polaroid SX-70 treatment). 
They are minimally processed and rendered to size, output and posted to 
flickr.com. Here's #12 of the set. 

A Walk in Late March 2023 #12 :: https://flic.kr/p/2opm6eV

The rest of the set is available in this Flickr album: 
 https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAxetq

I also collated the entire set into a slideshow using Lightroom Classic and 
posted that to YouTube, for those who enjoy the slideshow experience with 
musical accompaniment:
 https://youtu.be/IXywiCopr90 

The ShakeIt Photo app effectively makes the iPhone into a fun Polaroid SX-70 
derivative. :)

enjoy! 
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Re: epson 2400

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> Am 22.03.23 um 20:39 schrieb Henk Terhell:
> Never had any luck with printers and I estimate their life time on my desk
> is around 3 years.


Hmm. Back in the early '00s, I went through a couple of older Epson 13" dye ink 
printers … they both worked okay, but one of them died from the Piezography 
inkset I used clogging the heads permanently and the other was just starting to 
fail when the R2400 came out. I bought that (Oct 2005) and printed literally 
thousands of prints with it over the next 10-11 years. The P600 came out about 
then, and Ann needed a printer, cheap, so I gave her the R2400 and bought 
myself a P600. 

The R2400 died shortly after Ann got it (but I think she got the job she needed 
done with it) … I've always suspected that the shipment handling probably was 
the death factor. The P600 continues to work perfectly and has similarly 
produced a couple of thousand prints in the years I've had it. 

The keys to longevity with these devices is:

1- Keep them in use, don't let them sit and sit. I try to print at least two 
8x10 photographs every other week at least, exercising all the print head 
nozzles 

2- Don't run them with inks past the the ink's expiration date. Most of the 
problems I've had with any of my printers have been when I stuck an expired ink 
cartridge in because I needed to get something done and didn't have a fresh 
cartridge on hand. Because the cartridges are expensive and sometimes I'm not 
printing very much, I keep one spare set only on hand, ordering new 
replacements as they each become exhausted. I mark the cartridges so I know the 
expiration date of what's in the printer, and when I put a cartridge into 
service.

I don't have much more to add to help David's problem, unfortunately. It's been 
too long since I used an R2400 to remember the details of its maintenance and 
error indicators at this point. 

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Re: DPReview to Close Down

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Cotty!

Yes, it's sad to see DPReview close down. It is one of the services that I used 
regularly when seeking equipment specs. I don't spend much time looking at 
reviews, but Chris and Jordan do a good job there too. I thank them for their 
efforts, and wish them well in their next endeavors. I understand they might be 
headed to PetaPixel.

Such things have happened before. It's always a bit of disruption and then, 
over time, other services take up the slack. 25 years! I remember when DPReview 
started up … guess that means I'm getting damn old. LOL! 

G


> On Mar 21, 2023, at 5:56 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I agree. Their forums were sometimes interesting or helpful, too.
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2023, at 5:23 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> That’s a shame. It was an asset. Detailed reviews and accurate analysis.
>> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2023, at 4:55 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was going to write ‘OT’ in the subject line but actually DPReview have 
>>> said some very good things about Pentax to date…
>>> 
>>> They are closing the site down - a crime!
>>> 
>>> Links:
>>> 
>>> News story:
>>> https://www.dpreview.com/news/5901145460/dpreview-com-to-close
>>> 
>>> Video from Chris and Jordan:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLikDUacsC8
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Cotty
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Re: Mouse/trackball question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I had one of those Logitech trackballs a long time ago. It worked, but I went 
back to a mouse after using it a while. Went through a couple of different 
Apple mouse units, finally the wireless Magic Mouse, and then the Magic 
Trackpad came out. 

I've used the Magic Trackpad ever since, can barely use a mouse now. 

G


> On Mar 14, 2023, at 5:45 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I have been using a Logitech trackball for my photo computer for years, and 
> it is wearing out. It has a red ball operated by one’s right thumb, and a 
> vertical scroll wheel and two buttons operated by index and second fingers.
> 
> What should I replace it with?
> 
> I have a Kensington Expert Mouse on my work computer; it has a huge 
> trackball, four buttons, and a scroll wheel surrounding the track ball. I 
> tried it on the photo computer and it was awkward.
> 
> Other suggestions?
> 
> Rick
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Re: PESO 2023 - 091, 095, 099, 101 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Dan! 

G

> On Mar 14, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Interesting images, as usual.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> <https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery>*
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:07 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> 
>> A few new photos … These came out of a walk around the neighborhood,
>> testing a new 28mm lens.
>> 
>> 091 : Leaves on Bush - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2omWLgT
>> ISO 2500 @ f/5.6 @ 1/60
>> 
>> 096 : Drain and Arrow - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2omWLig
>> ISO 2500 @ f/5.6 @ 1/60
>> 
>> 099 : Fruit Tree Growing in Empty Lot - Santa Clara 2023 ::
>> https://flic.kr/p/2omUCGu
>> ISO 3200 @ f/5.6 @ 1/60
>> 
>> 101 : Dusk Lights - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2omVWyC
>> ISO 3200 @ f/4 @ 1/45
>> 
>> All of these and others in a dedicated album on Flickr at
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAvz5x with the M10 Monochrom and the Summicron-M
>> 28 ASPH, fitted with a green filter.
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PESO 2023 - 091, 095, 099, 101 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A few new photos … These came out of a walk around the neighborhood, testing a 
new 28mm lens. 

091 : Leaves on Bush - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2omWLgT
ISO 2500 @ f/5.6 @ 1/60

096 : Drain and Arrow - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2omWLig
ISO 2500 @ f/5.6 @ 1/60

099 : Fruit Tree Growing in Empty Lot - Santa Clara 2023 :: 
https://flic.kr/p/2omUCGu
ISO 3200 @ f/5.6 @ 1/60

101 : Dusk Lights - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2omVWyC
ISO 3200 @ f/4 @ 1/45

All of these and others in a dedicated album on Flickr at 
https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAvz5x with the M10 Monochrom and the Summicron-M 28 
ASPH, fitted with a green filter. 

Enjoy! 

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Re: OT Larry & Godfrey - flooding

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks for asking! There's been flooding in some areas of Santa Clara County 
but nothing in my immediate vicinity. It's actually forecasted to be a dry day 
here, finally, at least until this evening. 

G

> On Mar 13, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> We're seeing a lot of reporting of the CA flooding on the news.  How is it 
> affecting the two of you?
> 
> -p
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Re: OT Laptops and photo editing

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> - what's the best way to go about getting mail for:
> 
> dave @ caughtinmotion dot com
> and
> brooksdj @ ca dot inter dot net.
> ??
> would i set up MAIL to do it or just go through a browser like i'm doing.

Either way. 

It's generally more convenient for me to set up Mail for each of my accounts, 
no matter what service they're hosted with, on my iPad/iPhone and on my Mac as 
well; either option is easily available. 

> - will the ipad support firefox

There is a Firefox browser available on iPadOS, but I have never used it. I'm 
happy enough with Safari as an internet browser.

> - i have Gmail on my iphone so ill assume its supported on an iPaD, with a
> Gmail app

Again, you can use a Gmail specific app, or you can create a Gmail account in 
Mail. Your choice.

> -what about making folders like on a Mac desktop, i have my photos stored
> im=n specific year, like 2023, then subfolders like 3-3-23-Kings trail
> walk, is this possible on an ipad,, google has me confused about this.

On macOS, the functionality of manipulating directory structure on local or 
external storage is handled by the Finder. On iOS and iPadOS, the Files app 
allows users to do the same, in a somewhat more specific (and manual) manner; 
file system manipulation functionality is built into apps on these operating 
systems to manage their private, secure directory storage in a more automated 
manner.

The Files app is included with any current installation of iOS and iPadOS, and 
it can be obtained free of charge from the App Store with any iPhone/iPad as 
well. A screenshot of the Files app listing on the App Store: 
https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/o3ZQXQ905s

Files can be used to create a directory structure per whatever your needs might 
be, either locally on an iPad or iPhone, or on external or iCloud storage. 
(Yes, you can connect an external drive to iPad/iPhone presuming you have the 
correct cable and/or adapters for your devices.) Since I do my photo 
organizational work on my macOS system, and use the iPhone/iPad for photo work 
in the field on a rather more casual basis, I have not set up a photo directory 
structure that mimics my macOS system directory structure but it's certainly 
possible (and easy) to do so. Here's what Files shows of my iPad Pro 11" 
directory structure at present: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/0310mtvb53

As you can see, the default folder organization is being defined by the apps I 
have installed and use. I can easily define another directory tree for photos, 
either locally or on iCloud or external drives. 

Inside an app like Photos, you organize photos into Albums to achieve the same 
thing from a use perspective. I generally use SnapSeed for quick edits … it's 
fast and easy. For more extensive work Photos used in conjunction with Raw 
POWER is an excellent image editor and so is Affinity Photo. Both Raw POWER and 
Affinity Photo run on iPadOS, iOS, and versions are available for macOS as well 
if you want to use the same software on all your systems. 

I generally use Lightroom Classic to do my photo work on macOS, mostly since 
I've been using it since it went to Public Beta 2 or something like that in 
2005. I haven't used the mobile version of it at all. When I do work on the 
iPad or iPhone, I move the original and the finish files to my Mac and bring 
them into Lightroom Classic for management and, occasionally, additional work. 

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> On Mar 8, 2023, at 6:09 AM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that’s on my iPhone, iPad and Mac mini. The Files app came pre-installed 
> on all my platforms. I don’t know if it’s on the App Store- I don’t see why 
> not, but just make sure you get the one by Apple not by Vlad Yabloko.
> 
>> On 8 Mar 2023, at 13:51, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Bob, thats wth ipad correct?
>> 
>> My google searches said it can be done but i could not find any links that
>> had visual examples which is best for me, I still have mu old ipad mini
>> vers 2 i suppose is shoudl fire it up and see if i can find this files app
>> or is this something i need to download form the app store, I have an
>> icloud account should figure that out soon then
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 8:32 AM Bob W PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, the Files app works more or less the same across all three platforms.
>>> You can also use it to access other storage providers, such as MS OneDrive.
>>> 
>>> I keep everything in my iCloud Drive so everything is accessible from all
>>> three.
>>> 
> On 8 Mar 2023, at 13:20, David J Brooks  wrote:
 
 Doug , anyone else, this is the files i was hoping can be done in an
>>> iPad
 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/52734445198/
 
 or something similar.
 
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 2:35 PM Doug Brewer 
>>> wrote:
> Not sure what you need on the folders question, although I do hope you
> have your photos backed up to at least a couple of external 

Re: OT Laptops and photo editing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The iPad Pro is my most used computer. It handles anything I need with respect 
to email, banking, internet usage, word processing, et cetera. It does a fair 
job with image editing as well, using Photos with RAW Power, SnapSeed, and 
Affinity Photo. The keyboard folio case provides an excellent keyboard and 
folds up around it, protecting the Pad as well. The 11" diagonal model has a 
super-crisp and easy to see screen, and you can use external keyboards, 
pointing devices, and even displays with it (including wired ones using the 
appropriate adapter). The 11" inch model is also just the right size to fit 
easily in most any of my camera carrying bags other than the very smallest. 

My primary use of the desktop system is to run Lightroom and other legacy 
applications that I have way too much data and information invested in to want 
to migrate to anything else unless I absolutely have to. :)

G

> On Mar 6, 2023, at 9:49 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> My main worry is if the desktop crashes or get infected that i have
> something to carry on with my different emails and banking, until a new mac
> can be bought, if the ipad will do all that i may just go that route and
> forget the macbook for the time being
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:45 PM David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:34 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I ran with a MacBook Pro as one of my personal computers, and another as
>>> my work computer for the last five years of my career at Apple. But I never
>>> used my personal computer anywhere but on my desk since all of my mobile
>>> computing needs were better served with the lighter, smaller iPads starting
>>> about 2010. As a result, I sold the last MacBook Pro I owned personally to
>>> a friend, and when I upgraded my 2012 Mac mini, I bought a 2018 Mac mini.
>>> The performance difference between the two mini systems is astounding … and
>>> the performance difference between the 2018 mini and the latest M2 mini is
>>> even greater. I could not see the point of buying a laptop since I never
>>> carry one anywhere anymore.
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the comments Godders, I am also thinking of upgrading my ipad
>> from the current mini vers 2 i think it is or the macbook. The desktop is
>> fine n=but mostly uses the computer for emails, photo edits and some social
>> media and online banking.
>> 
>> My needs may be better served with a decent current ipad instead??
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 6:13 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> 
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Re: OT Laptops and photo editing

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Can't answer all of your questions, but I'd go for an Apple silicon machine 
nowadays … it's where the future is headed in Apple equipment. I'm planning to 
upgrade both my Mac mini (2018 3.2Ghz Intel 6-core i7) and my iPad Pro 11" 
(2017) to latest generation M1/M2 equipped models later this year. 

- The M series CPUs utilize RAM differently from the Intel generation systems 
and are more efficient about it, but for any serious photographic work I'd want 
either the 16 or 32 Gbyte RAM models anyway. It lends more future-proofing to 
the setup. 

- The M2 is a higher performance chip. Better or worse is hard to evaluate 
because it depends upon the context of measurement. 

- If you want to do managed color, yes you need a tool to calibrate and profile 
the display. 

- battery … yeah a laptop has one. ??? I'd never depend on battery life for 
doing serious photographic work. 

- amount of ports and an sd card slot … I haven't looked yet, but look and see 
that what you're interested has the number of ports and slots you need before 
buying. 

- An iMac can be used as an external display, but it depends on year of 
manufacture, what hardware features your specific iMac has, and what version of 
macOS it has on it. This will take research, you might want to discuss it with 
your service provider. 

- I, personally, want a 27" display for my photographic work. I can work on 
smaller screens for quick stuff but I want the screen real estate to handle 
having all the various palettes and controls of Lightroom or other image 
processing software open and instantly available when I'm doing anything 
serious. I don't like to use multiple displays simultaneously, I just want one 
big display. 

- Your existing keyboard and mouse should work fine. I've had the same Magic 
Keyboard and Magic Trackpad through two-three system generations already, no 
reason a Magic Mouse would be different. Of course, using a mouse, you give up 
many of the touch-based control capabilities of a trackpad, but that's up to 
you. I stopped using a mouse more than a decade ago. 

I ran with a MacBook Pro as one of my personal computers, and another as my 
work computer for the last five years of my career at Apple. But I never used 
my personal computer anywhere but on my desk since all of my mobile computing 
needs were better served with the lighter, smaller iPads starting about 2010. 
As a result, I sold the last MacBook Pro I owned personally to a friend, and 
when I upgraded my 2012 Mac mini, I bought a 2018 Mac mini. The performance 
difference between the two mini systems is astounding … and the performance 
difference between the 2018 mini and the latest M2 mini is even greater. I 
could not see the point of buying a laptop since I never carry one anywhere 
anymore. 

G

> On Mar 6, 2023, at 6:13 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Good day all
> 
> It looks like i;ll be getting some goven=rnmetn money soon and am thinking
> of upgrading, but keeping, my 2010 iMac 21,5" desktop. It works well enough
> but because i cant upgrade the OS to stay current and also can't upgrade
> some programs i use and like, like PS and Lightroom,  i'm considering
> making a move to a macbook pro, either the 13
> " or the 14" M1 or M2 chip
> 
> Just looking for comments good or bad from those that are using said
> machine(s) for LR and PS. -Is the screen big enough, 13" or 14"
> -is 8gig ram enough
> -is M2 better over M1 chip
> -screen colour ie do you need a spyder wset up
> -battery life
> -amount of ports and a sd card slot
> -could my imac be used as an extended monitor?
> -can i use my keyboard and magic mouse, i don't like track pads
> 
> If i think of anything else i;; add it.
> 
> We have a company not far that sells and services nothing but Macs so i'll
> probably deal with them
> 
> Dave
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PESO 2023 - 068, 077, 072 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Some photos from my longest focal length M-mount Leica lens… 

Leica M10 Monochrom + Hektor 135mm f/4.5, green filter for all:

068 : https://flic.kr/p/2ojnDUq
Mailbox On Fence - Santa Clara 2023
ISO 1600 @ f/8 @ 1/750

077 : https://flic.kr/p/2ojkbst
Yellow Jacket Trap & Fence - Santa Clara 2023
ISO 3200 @ f/8 @ 1/500

072 : https://flic.kr/p/2ojnDVn
Gate - Santa Clara 2023
ISO 6400 @ f/8 @ 1/500

Enjoy!
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PESO 2023 - 051a diptych - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

This Denny's restaurant is a short block from my home: I've walked past it on 
many walks and snapped a photo. I did this on two walks in succession last week 
and was struck by the fact that I'd framed it almost identically with both 
lenses. Taken in the late afternoon and then in the evening, I thought the 
photos would make an interesting diptych... 

Denny's Afternoon-Evening Diptych - Santa Clara 2023 :: 
https://flic.kr/p/2oiRQpU
Afternoon: Summilux 35mm : ISO 160 @ f/4 @ 1/750
Evening: Summicron-M 28mm f/2 ASPH :  ISO 2500 @ f/4 @ 1/60
Green filter on both.

The individual photos are there in my PESO 2023 album as well if you're so 
inclined. :)

Comments appreciated! Enjoy!

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PESO 2023 - 049 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Time for a change of pace, which usually (for me) means taking the Polaroid out 
instead of a digital camera. I put a pack of B 600 in and took it on my walk. 
Only made one exposure (because it was freekin' cold out!) but was happy when I 
saw it fully developed.

Picket Fence - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2oixwz7
Polaroid SLR670x by MiNT, Polaroid 600 B film
ISO 600 @ f/8 @ 1/1000 (manual exposure)

Enjoy! 

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PESO 2023 - 046 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The secondhand Summicron-M 28mm f/2 ASPH I ordered arrived a week or so ago, I 
only just had a moment to go test it. 

Unicorn & Crocodillians - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2ohvrR6

Leica M10 Monochrom + Summicron-M 28mm f/2 ASPH
ISO 1000 @ f/2 @ 1/60
Green filter

It works well.  :)

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Re: PESO 2023 - 026-044 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thank you, Ann! 

The video compilations I do are an easy way for me to look through a set 
quickly and see that it meets my notions. It's not the best way to appreciate 
the individual photographs, for sure, so I put the stills gallery up as well. 

Thank you for the comments and the interest! :)

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> On Feb 12, 2023, at 3:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I'm much happier looking at your flicker presentation of these and I left you 
> some loving comments there :-)
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 2/12/2023 10:04 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> If you just want to see the stills without the video encapsulation, I've 
>> posted them to Flickr.com now and put them in a small dedicated album:
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjArPNp



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re: PESO 2023 - 026-044 - GDG (was: PESO 2023 - VIDEO compilation)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Dan! 

If you just want to see the stills without the video encapsulation, I've posted 
them to Flickr.com now and put them in a small dedicated album: 
https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjArPNp

best,
G

> On Feb 11, 2023, at 7:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Nice gallery.  I find the images interesting and effective, but for me the
> music was a distraction.
> I love the flattened pineapple;  quite humorous.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 10:10 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> 
>> Out testing a used Leica M10-R body the past two days.
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/lMTE9ZZptCY
>> 
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PESO 2023 - VIDEO compilation - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Out testing a used Leica M10-R body the past two days.  

https://youtu.be/lMTE9ZZptCY

Enjoy! 
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PAW 2023 - 023, 024, 025 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Finally felt up to taking a walk again yesterday. 

Abstract triptych …
 
 Plants Against Cracked Wall – Santa Clara 2023 ::  https://flic.kr/p/2ofVwVa
 Foot Steps By Pavement Crack – Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2ofQocH
 Letter On Concrete Sidewalk – Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2ofVwVF

All using Leica M10 Monochrom + SMC-Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Special (with green 
filter). 

Enjoy! 

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re: OT: Fancy Camera Strap

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> From: Richard Dell 
> 
> On January 30, 2023 10:05:18 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>  wrote:
>> Heh … Mine is usually set to about 46". Longer than that and the camera sits 
>> too low, swings around too much for me. :)
>> 
> That may be height dependent  ... 
> I am 6 ft (1.83m), I like the camera just below my elbow if on my side (left),
> swung to my back it sits in small of back, and doesn't swing.

Hmm. I'm just shy of 6' myself, with a long torso. I tend to carry my cameras 
the same way. Probably just differences in arm length, shoulders, etc, along 
with personal preferences. :)

>> I have anchors fitted to most of my cameras, so I just swap the Leash to 
>> whatever I need to use it on. (I actually have three of them, for tripods 
>> and second camera carry…). 
>> 
> I spent way too much time finding various brands of "anchors" compatible 
> with the StrapToIt, most needed minor knife blade adjustments.

I have a bunch of Peak Design anchors. They come in sets of two with an 
Arca-Swiss compatible camera plate, and the anchors can be fitted to the camera 
plate without interfering with the plate's function on a tripod. The PD plates 
are thin and can be left fitted to the camera all the time, unless I want to 
put the camera into a snugly fitted half case. One of my half-cases (The "Jason 
Cui model" for the Leica CL) includes an externally accessible tripod screw 
mount too. 

All choices, and there are lots of good ones! :)

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Re: How good is old gear?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

There's a reason why I'm so delighted with my 1954 Kodak Retina IIc. :)

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> On Jan 16, 2023, at 12:27 AM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
> I know we are all impressed by the quality of modern equipment: I was given a 
> lesson today in what our older kit could produce.  In
> researching an article I am writing, I went back to an image taken on a 
> Voigtlander Vito CD 35mm rangefinder camera, the first
> camera I ever owned.  Scanned some years ago on an Epson V500, I made an 
> inkjet print 39x25cm, and the detail is so good the
> portholes on a ship 300 metres away moving at 25 knots and taken from a small 
> boat are tack sharp.
> No wonder I don't need  to go shopping, not even for Pentax!
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Re: PESO 2023 - 018-020 (was: PESO 2023 - 016-017) - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Interesting thought, Rick! Thanks. :)

G

> On Jan 31, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> The first two make an interesting pair; a gleaming modern church, and a 
> decrepit old fence.
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Re: OT: Fancy Camera Strap

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Heh … Mine is usually set to about 46". Longer than that and the camera sits 
too low, swings around too much for me. :)

I have anchors fitted to most of my cameras, so I just swap the Leash to 
whatever I need to use it on. (I actually have three of them, for tripods and 
second camera carry…). 

G

> On Jan 30, 2023, at 6:49 PM, Richard Dell  wrote:
> 
> Measured mine  
> set at about 50" or so,
> with an additional 25" available,
> 13" in the strap,and 6" in each camera attachment.
> (quick releases similar to the Tamron's and others)
> ... truly extraordinary max. of 75".
> 
> I tend to use compatible quick release buckle (maybe Tamron)
> camera attachment straps for extra bodies, but those are shorter
> than what measurement says is 16" max for these
> now no-name straps (label says StrapToIt)
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Re: OT: Fancy Camera Strap

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I looked at that project. The neat part of the base plate is that it takes the 
load off the standard lugs (not designed for that kind of carry) and puts the 
load at the base which allows the camera to lay flat more reliably. 

It's primarily targeted to work with an SLR or largish EVF camera's shape and 
largish lenses. It would be mostly useless with the different form factor and 
relatively small/light lenses of a Leica M, for instance. 

I use the Peak Design Leash strap, which max out at about 145cm (57 inches) 
(plus a couple cm for the anchor bits). It's light, very strong, and easy to 
use cross body, as well as easily length adjustable to suit your body and 
preferences. It can be taken on and off a camera in a couple of seconds. A nice 
strap! 

G

> On Jan 30, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Richard Dell  wrote:
> 
> I've always carried my cameras like that ... 
> you just need a longer than normal strap, no fancy base bracket.
> Also use an ancient Galen Rowell chest pouch 
> as a waist pack to secure same setup at my side when not scrambling.
> 
> (though I would love to find a good source for long straps, 
> mine I found in a drugstore in Williansport, PA in late '80s, 
> bought out their stock when I went back a year later,
> never found a better strap sinc, though I have shopped)
> 
> On January 30, 2023 8:16:05 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>  wrote:
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/spinn-design/spinn-cp-camera-carrying-reimagined
>> ?
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re: PESO 2023 - 018-020 (was: PESO 2023 - 016-017) - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Dan! 

I've just posted three more into the PESO 2023 set, all still from yesterday's 
walk.

Methodist Church - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2oekU4U
ISO 160 @ f/5.6 @ 1/1000

Picket Fence at Don Court - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2oem8t2
ISO 160 @ f/5.6 @ 1/1500

Bike: Wrong Way! - Santa Clara 2023 :: https://flic.kr/p/2oeg5kx
ISO 160 @ f/5.6 @ 1/250 

All still Leica M10 Monochrom + MS Optics Aporia 24mm f/2 photos. :)

enjoy,
G

> On Jan 30, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> An interesting and enjoyable gallery, Godfrey!
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 1:33 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> 
>> ...the link
>> to the PESO 2023 gallery on Flickr: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAn3EZ
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PESO 2023 - 016-017 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hallo! 

First "Picture Every So Often" posting of 2023 and I'm already 17 photos into 
it. It was a tough holiday season and I've been a little slow getting motivated 
to post. 

Getting ready for my walk yesterday, I fitted the MS Optics Aporia 24mm f/2 
lens to the Leica M10-M, stuck a strap on it, carried nothing else, and walked 
for about four miles. I enjoy how simple and light this camera can be...

Leica M10 Monochrom + MS Optics Aporia 24mm f/2
  https://flic.kr/p/2odpaUC
  https://flic.kr/p/2odmCrn

A couple of yesterday's photos:

https://flic.kr/p/2oe1RuW
Book Share Box - Santa Clara 2023
  ISO 160 @ f/5.6 @ 1/1000

https://flic.kr/p/2oe5NBv
Kobe Japanese Restaurant - Santa Clara 2023
  ISO 160 @ f/5.6 @ 1/125

So I guess I should say a belated "Happy New Year!" and give you the link to 
the PESO 2023 gallery on Flickr: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAn3EZ

Things will more forward at the usual inconstant pace from here on out. ;)

enjoy! 
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Re: Lens aperture slow to respond, thus overexposed pictures

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Yes, the aperture mechanism is dirty/gummed up: the lens needs a CLA (clean, 
lubricate, adjust) service. The auto-aperture actuating lever should snap back 
instantly, somewhere around 10-20 milliseconds max. Half a second is almost 
literally forever in terms of these mechanisms. 

G

> On Jan 29, 2023, at 2:02 AM, Ciprian Craciun  
> wrote:
> 
> ...So, I have the following problem with a Pentax D-FA 100mm macro lens:
> the aperture system on the lens is sluggish to respond and thus all
> images are overexposed, especially on high f-stop numbers (i.e. 5.6,
> 8, 11 and onward).
> 
> ...

> (A)  First of all empirically, I've detached the lens and removed the
> caps, then looked through it which by default is fully closed (f/20+).
> Then I've manually pushed the aperture lever wide open and suddenly
> let it go (just like the camera I presume does).  The aperture blades
> don't snap back to the fully closed position, but slowly crawl to that
> position.  Here "slowly crawl" is compared with how other lenses react
> to a similar experiment;  but in real time it takes perhaps half a
> second or a bit less.
> ...

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Re: The notebook replaced

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'll stick with a notebook or a voice-recorder (or voice-recording app on the 
phone…). 

But actually, I almost never care what the settings were after the fact anyway 
… I remember them most of the time without any recording or EXIF data to poke 
at. :)

G

> On Jan 28, 2023, at 3:54 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Spotted on DP Review…
> 
> https://www.dpreview.com/news/5919562836/film-friday-this-diy-device-lets-you-capture-metadata-information-for-your-film-photography
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Cotty
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Re: OS 11 --> Weird problem

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Heya Rick, 

Ah, good! I'm glad they helped you sort it out. 
A bad update/install-over … It's rare but it does happen. 

I just couldn't figure out what OS you were updating and to what; macOS Ventura 
is v13.x (I'm on macOS Ventura v13.2 at present with a 2018-2019 Mac mini 
i7-six core). 

G


> On Jan 28, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Godfrey,
> 
> Thanks for replying!
> 
> Problem solved in a long call with Apple support. It seems something mutated 
> in the OS, so we re-installed it.
> 
> It’s an M1 Mac mini, running Ventura. The old Mac mini turned belly-up a 
> couple of months ago.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2023, at 4:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> What computer, what OS?  Is it Windows 10 to Windows 11? or macOS 10.15 
>> (Catalina) to macOS 11 (Big Sur)? If an Apple Mac, what machine? 
>> 
>> Have you powered it off and then back on again? (To force any Mac to power 
>> off if the menu isn't working, just hold down the power button for about 10 
>> seconds or so.)
>> 
>> G
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2023, at 1:01 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder why now, but I upgraded this computer from OS 10 to 11 yesterday.
>>> 
>>> It was a mistake.
>>> 
>>> The main problem is that clicking in the menu bar now does nothing. Do I 
>>> want to quit Mail after finishing this message? Tough luck. Do I want to 
>>> use any of the other menu bar functions? Too bad.
>>> 
>>> Anyone having a similar problem? Anyone have a fix?
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Re: OS 11 --> Weird problem

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

What computer, what OS?  Is it Windows 10 to Windows 11? or macOS 10.15 
(Catalina) to macOS 11 (Big Sur)? If an Apple Mac, what machine? 

Have you powered it off and then back on again? (To force any Mac to power off 
if the menu isn't working, just hold down the power button for about 10 seconds 
or so.)

G

> On Jan 28, 2023, at 1:01 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I wonder why now, but I upgraded this computer from OS 10 to 11 yesterday.
> 
> It was a mistake.
> 
> The main problem is that clicking in the menu bar now does nothing. Do I want 
> to quit Mail after finishing this message? Tough luck. Do I want to use any 
> of the other menu bar functions? Too bad.
> 
> Anyone having a similar problem? Anyone have a fix?
> 
> Rick
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Re: Something for Henk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Perhaps when seen standalone as photographs, these two images are not "Art" but 
exquisite documentarian representations of fungi in nature … 

But they could be embued with the notion of Art by incorporating them into a 
display of photographs which allegorizes a perception of them … in their 
sensual form and color … with relation to something else acknowledged as a 
human perception of their beauty in contrast or complement to other human 
experience. 

Photography and photographs always live on this border between Documentation 
and Art, in my opinion. I often think about it as I look through my or others' 
photographic works with the terms "literal" or "abstract" describing their 
qualities. Literal photographs tend to be documentation—recordings—in that 
lexicon; abstract photographs tend to be more focused as Art in intent, more a 
search for caricature or archetype in a sense. But it's a subjective game, a 
matter of perception and the language, combined, that we use to describe what 
we're doing, what we've done. 

In the end, what looks 'well done' to a particular set of eyes *is* well done, 
when it comes to a photograph. And these two photographs are, to my eye, very 
well done, Henk! :)

G
—
"No matter where you go, there you are."

> On Jan 22, 2023, at 12:45 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> Ralf, for me the world of fungi is strange enough in itself. I have no
> need for additional artistic modification other than getting sharp pictures
> and a fair reproduction of colors. However I do appreciate such weird
> fantasy even if it is generated with the help of AI.
> To illustrate, here are two recent (non AI) pictures of peculiar fungi:
> https://flic.kr/p/2oaDxzD
> https://flic.kr/p/2obWN7d
> 
> Henk
> 
> Op za 21 jan. 2023 om 23:47 schreef Ralf R Radermacher :
> 
>> Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell:
>>> Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work,
>>> perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator.
>>> More of such fantasy work will be our future.
>> 
>> Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering
>> if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps.
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Re: DxO or PhotoAI

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That sounds far more complex than my own workflow. Most everything I've posted 
marked as a PESO is captured with whatever camera (currently Leica CL, Leica 
M10-M, or Light L16 on the digital side, and even when I'm shooting film my 
capture process is a copy camera technique with the Leica CL or M10-M now). I 
transfer directly into Lightroom Classic. 

The Light L16 adds another step: From camera to the dedicated app "Lumen" for 
initial minor adjustment and output to DNG format, and into LR Classic. Then...

- With about half the photos, the results are whatever LR's default conversion 
is plus a little framing with the Slideshow module. 
- With the other half I tend to add a small vignette and then the framing.

I only rarely do any input sharpening .. in some cases I reduce sharpening to 
soften highlight transitions … what comes out of the cameras is usually sharp 
enough if I got the focus right. Depending on what output products are 
required, I might do a little output sharpening if the output image sizing 
pushes the desired look off the mark. 

Most of the other minor adjustments that might be made deal with scene issues 
to blend transitions, fix flaws (like dust on a negative), or suppress 
unnecessary detail. 

And that's about it.

I have also been testing using Apple's "Photos" app in combination with 
Gentlemen Coders "RAW Power". Photos provides the overall organizational tools, 
RAW Power gives access to image processing functionality in the underlying 
libraries that is a bit less automated and more explicit to what I might want 
to do. The workflow is nearly the same, just different apps, and the image 
results are nearly indistinguishable. The nice part about this app set is that 
it runs on macOS, iOS, and iPadOS so I can use it everywhere, and there's no 
monthly subscription fee. 

I've tested bunches of other image processing apps and not seen much one way or 
another that net me an advantage. 

G
—
No matter where you go, there you are.

> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to decide what workflow is best. Currently a mix of Topaz
> PhotoAI, DenoiseAI, SharpenAI and DxO Photolab
> 
> https://www.repiuk.nl/projects/GESO/DxO-or-PhotoAI/
> 
> PhotoAI is really a no brainer, fast and integrates smoothly in LR. DxO
> does an excellent job except sharpening which makes DxO and SharpenAI a
> killer combo
> 
> Toine
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Re: Something for Henk

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I dunno. Art remains art. An "AI" is just another constructed thing by which 
humans have extended their abilities to influence and manipulate the world we 
live in. We already use automatons to assemble our cars, our toys, our cameras, 
and run a lot of our essential infrastructure. There's really little difference 
between what is Art directly created by human hands and Art that is indirectly 
created by the minds that humans embue their machines with. 

Until a definitive test of what constitutes machine intelligence exists, and 
until machines can reliably and consistently pass that test, any Art is the 
result of human artiface and mind regardless of whether it is directly or 
indirectly created. 

If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it must be 
made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs will then 
be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of machines, of 
varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs. 

G
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"You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
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> On Jan 21, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Comcast  wrote:
> 
> But it’s happening. AI is now writing as well. Might as well make the best of 
> it. However, I’m glad I’ve reached an age where I probably won’t have to 
> compete with a robot for my job.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2023, at 8:45 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf.
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>>>> Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell:
>>>> Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop work,
>>>> perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator.
>>>> More of such fantasy work will be our future.
>>> 
>>> Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering
>>> if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps.
>>> 
>>> Ralf
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Re: What Pentax gear is on your shopping (or wish) list?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Similarly, it's been quite a few years since I worked with Pentax cameras. I do 
still have one Pentax lens … the L39 mount version of the superb 43mm Limited 
(SMC-Pentax-L 43mm f/1.9 Special) which was and is my all-time favorite Pentax 
lens. I use it on my Leica cameras where it never fails to produce superb 
results. 

  Salsa Beargrease custom build :: https://flic.kr/p/2iR8Pe2

And, in general, I have all the equipment I can possibly use … and more … so 
buying more camera equipment is something I only do very very occasionally 
these days, with a lot of thought beforehand. 

G

"Equipment is transitory. Photographs endure."


> On Jan 15, 2023, at 11:41 AM, Brian W  wrote:
> 
> Sadly, Pentax no longer makes the sort of gear that I'm interested in.
> Olympus/OM System on the other hand...
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