Re: PESO He's Back!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Sharp and appealing portraits!


Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

> My Red Tail Hawk has returned. Same bird I shot last week apparently. He
> was quite distant, so these are only about 25% of frame at 630mm focal
> length.
>
> Paul
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> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ojvvc7phu0h260h/8618.jpg?dl=0
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PESO He's Back!

[Paul Stenquist]

My Red Tail Hawk has returned. Same bird I shot last week apparently. He was 
quite distant, so these are only about 25% of frame at 630mm focal length.

Paul

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Re: He's back

[Steven Desjardins]

Welcome to the Collective. Resistance was futile.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenquis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Gave up on comcast being restored to the good graces of the list gods 
 (despite Doug's continuing efforts), so I just resubscribed with a gmail 
 address.
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He's back

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Gave up on comcast being restored to the good graces of the list gods (despite 
Doug's continuing efforts), so I just resubscribed with a gmail address.
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RE: Peso: Psssst. . . He's back.

[Jeffery Johnson]

Mooo... Nice capture..

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Re: Peso: Psssst. . . He's back.

[David J Brooks]

Nice.:-)

Dave

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Re: Peso: Psssst. . . He's back.

[Tim Øsleby]

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 Nice.:-)

 Dave

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Peso: Psssst. . . He's back.

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Re: Peso: Psssst. . . He's back.

[Paul Stenquist]

Fun stuff. They know you!
Paul
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Re: Peso: Psssst. . . He's back.

[Ann Sanfedele]

Who said it wasn't Spring yet?

Cute, Steve
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Re: He's back.

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2011/1/15 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:

 Any company who's motto is Don't be evil.  Probably has some reason for
 concern...

who ever said they meant themselves... they are addressing their
customer base asking them to stay gullible...

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Re: He's back.

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/14/2011 8:40 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:

It never was as you have obviously been lead to believe, google simply
sent a SMS to the phone number (at their cost) with a key code that
needed to be fed back into the system, not a significant imposition
IMO.


I am not entirely certain whether accepting SMS from abroad is free of 
charge in Israel. It might be so or might be not. Then of course it 
wouldn't be that big an issue as to receive a single SMS is not going to 
be too expensive anyway.


I still don't understand why do I need to identify myself in such a 
manner for Google. Everyone knows that you could buy a SIM card with few 
prepaid minutes and discard it two weeks later after you've done 
visiting the country... Locals can do the same as tourists too...


I think we're beating the dead beast of burden here as it has been said 
that this practice has been abandoned by Google anyway.


Boris


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Re: He's back.

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:35 -0500, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:

 The phone validation had been implemented to guard against terrorists.
 Eventually, they (Google, not the terrorists) figured out that they
 (terrorists, not Google) have mobile phones too, so they dropped the
 plan.


Did that last 'they' refer to the terrorists or Google?.


Cheers

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Re: He's back.

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On 14 January 2011 07:15, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:35 -0500, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:

 The phone validation had been implemented to guard against terrorists.
 Eventually, they (Google, not the terrorists) figured out that they
 (terrorists, not Google) have mobile phones too, so they dropped the
 plan.


 Did that last 'they' refer to the terrorists or Google?.

We'll never know, Brian!


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Re: He's back.

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From: Brian Walters

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:35 -0500, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:

 The phone validation had been implemented to guard against terrorists.
 Eventually, they (Google, not the terrorists) figured out that they
 (terrorists, not Google) have mobile phones too, so they dropped the
 plan.


Did that last 'they' refer to the terrorists or Google?.



Yes, it did.


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Re: He's back.

[Sasha Sobol]

Welcome back.

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Re: He's back.

[P. J. Alling]

On 1/12/2011 7:51 PM, William Robb wrote:

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Subject: Re: He's back.

On 13 January 2011 03:34, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:


Sent from my desktop using the very broken Windows Live Mail 2011.


Welcome back Bill,  hmm, Live Mail, akin to self flagellation.

;-)


It's the biggest pile of steaming poo imaginable.
I really liked Outlook Express, but Microdork had to go and screw up 
their email client entirely.

I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor 
formatting.



I find that Thunderbird is a thoroughly unobjectionable mail client.  It 
works and the current version no longer crashes corrupting it's own 
files the way past versions did, and it has two great advantages, it's 
neither a Microsoft product nor is it Lotus Notes.


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Re: He's back.

[P. J. Alling]

On 1/13/2011 4:35 PM, Miserere wrote:

On 13 January 2011 00:45, Brian Walterssupera1...@fastmail.fm  wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:56 -0500, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
wrote:

This must be new.  I don't remember doing this.



OK - it looks as if they have changed it back to the old system.

When I tried to set up a Gmail account a couple of months ago the mobile
phone issue was the stumbling block, but I just tried it again and was
able to set up a new account without problems.  I suspect they had a few
complaints about the mobile phone validation, especially as they
suggested that you use a friend's mobile number if you didn't own a
mobile yourself - a good way to lose friends I would have thought



Cheers

Brian

The phone validation had been implemented to guard against terrorists.
Eventually, they (Google, not the terrorists) figured out that they
(terrorists, not Google) have mobile phones too, so they dropped the
plan.


Well Duh!



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Re: He's back.

[P. J. Alling]

On 1/14/2011 7:15 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:35 -0500, Misereremiser...@gmail.com  wrote:


The phone validation had been implemented to guard against terrorists.
Eventually, they (Google, not the terrorists) figured out that they
(terrorists, not Google) have mobile phones too, so they dropped the
plan.


Did that last 'they' refer to the terrorists or Google?.


Any company who's motto is Don't be evil.  Probably has some reason 
for concern...




Cheers

Brian

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Re: He's back.

[Derby Chang]

On 13/01/2011 3:34 AM, William Robb wrote:

And that's all I have to say about that.

William Robb



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Re: He's back.

[eckinator]

Good. Should've never left. Hope you stay.
Ecke

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Re: He's back.

[paul stenquist]

On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:53 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 On 1/13/2011 4:43 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
 The only problem with Gmail these days is that Google has a _validation
 process that involves them contacting you by mobile phone_ before you can
 set up the account (yes, I know that shouldn't be a problem but some of
 us - OK, probably only me - don't have such device).
 
 I gotta spell it out and loud - what the fuck google is thinking of 
 themselves???!!!

I think it has to do with gmail's role as an app for smart phones. I had to set 
up a gmail account when I bought an android phone from Verizon. Didn't bother 
me in the least. Don't use the address, but it certainly didn't make me angry. 
There are lots of weird things going on in the world of interconnectivity as 
the players stake out their territory. If it doesn't affect me personally, I 
don't give a damn.
Paul
 
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Re: He's back.

[Boris Liberman]

Paul, like you I also have an Android (Google's OS for smartphones) 
based cell phone. It seems to me that you have confused it a little. 
When I got the phone (with the number of the local provider, obviously) 
and fired it up for the first time, I was asked to give my GMail account 
to initialize the phone or connect it to the cloud or whatever would 
be the term. Android phones seem to be unable to operate without a GMail 
account stored somewhere deep inside them.


What I am trying to say is that my (local) cell phone number is a part 
of contract between me and the respective operator. Google is no part of 
it. Even if I were to take the Google Nexus phone, I would think that 
the same reasoning would have applied.


Boris


On 1/13/2011 1:58 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

I think it has to do with gmail's role as an app for smart phones. I
had to set up a gmail account when I bought an android phone from
Verizon. Didn't bother me in the least. Don't use the address, but it
certainly didn't make me angry. There are lots of weird things going
on in the world of interconnectivity as the players stake out their
territory. If it doesn't affect me personally, I don't give a damn.
Paul


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Re: He's back.

[John Sessoms]

I was wondering why it had to be a mobile, then realized they probably send 
you a text message. Wouldn't do me any good either, because I don't have text on my cell 
phone.

The phone is capable, but I kept getting misdirected messages back when you 
were charged extra for each text message, and I told the service provider to 
turn texting off for the account; not to allow them to come through to my phone.

Of course, I'm one of those Luddites who *won't* have a camera phone. If I want to 
take a photograph, I've got a f%^%#g camera!


From: Steven Desjardins
This must be new. I don't remember doing this. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 
9:43 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:

  On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:57 +1100, Rob Studdert
  distudio.p...@gmail.com  wrote:

  On 13 January 2011 11:51, William Robbwar...@gmail.com  wrote:


I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor
formatting.


  I know it's considered a sin by some but Gmail works well for many of us?

  Otherwise there is always Thunderbird,http://www.mozilla.org/  it's
  very Outloookish



  The only problem with Gmail these days is that Google has a validation
  process that involves them contacting you by mobile phone before you can
  set up the account (yes, I know that shouldn't be a problem but some of
  us - OK, probably only me - don't have such device).

  A good web-based client - and the one I use - is Fastmail, now owned by
  Opera. ?I use it exclusively for PDML and the free account is more than
  adequate (http://fastmail.fm/)

  Oh, yeah. ?Welcome back, Bill.





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Re: He's back.

[Paul Stenquist]

On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Paul, like you I also have an Android (Google's OS for smartphones) based 
 cell phone. It seems to me that you have confused it a little. When I got the 
 phone (with the number of the local provider, obviously) and fired it up for 
 the first time, I was asked to give my GMail account to initialize the 
 phone or connect it to the cloud or whatever would be the term. Android 
 phones seem to be unable to operate without a GMail account stored somewhere 
 deep inside them.
 
 What I am trying to say is that my (local) cell phone number is a part of 
 contract between me and the respective operator. Google is no part of it. 
 Even if I were to take the Google Nexus phone, I would think that the same 
 reasoning would have applied.

I believe android is Google's operating system, so they are certainly part of 
it. I didn't have a Gmail account, so I had to open one to purchase an android 
phone. I'm sure it's no accident that android requires gmail. It's Google's way 
of trying to establish a connectivity base -- much like that of Macs, iPads, 
and iPhones.
Paul

 
 Boris
 
 
 On 1/13/2011 1:58 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
 I think it has to do with gmail's role as an app for smart phones. I
 had to set up a gmail account when I bought an android phone from
 Verizon. Didn't bother me in the least. Don't use the address, but it
 certainly didn't make me angry. There are lots of weird things going
 on in the world of interconnectivity as the players stake out their
 territory. If it doesn't affect me personally, I don't give a damn.
 Paul
 
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Re: He's back.

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 i've been using a dedicated Gmail account for the PDML.  It works
 pretty well for me.  Not sure I'd use i for my primary email, however.

same here, pdml ,and and bus company mail as it can take bigger
attachments than mt other account

dave

 On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bill, I am using Thunderbird ever since it came out. Works for me.

 On 1/13/2011 2:51 AM, William Robb wrote:

 It's the biggest pile of steaming poo imaginable.
 I really liked Outlook Express, but Microdork had to go and screw up
 their email client entirely.
 I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
 Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor
 formatting.

 Microdork - that's a good one.

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Re: He's back.

[Steven Desjardins]

I have a camera phone because it came with the phone.  I hardly use it
unless I see a two headed yak or something.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:31 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 I was wondering why it had to be a mobile, then realized they probably
 send you a text message. Wouldn't do me any good either, because I don't
 have text on my cell phone.

 The phone is capable, but I kept getting misdirected messages back when you
 were charged extra for each text message, and I told the service provider to
 turn texting off for the account; not to allow them to come through to my
 phone.

 Of course, I'm one of those Luddites who *won't* have a camera phone. If I
 want to take a photograph, I've got a f%^%#g camera!


 From: Steven Desjardins

 This must be new. I don't remember doing this. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at
 9:43 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:

   On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:57 +1100, Rob Studdert
   distudio.p...@gmail.com  wrote:

   On 13 January 2011 11:51, William Robbwar...@gmail.com  wrote:
 

     I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
     Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the
  poor
     formatting.

 
   I know it's considered a sin by some but Gmail works well for many
  of us?
 
   Otherwise there is always Thunderbird,http://www.mozilla.org/  it's
   very Outloookish

 
 
   The only problem with Gmail these days is that Google has a validation
   process that involves them contacting you by mobile phone before you
  can
   set up the account (yes, I know that shouldn't be a problem but some
  of
   us - OK, probably only me - don't have such device).
 
   A good web-based client - and the one I use - is Fastmail, now owned
  by
   Opera. ?I use it exclusively for PDML and the free account is more
  than
   adequate (http://fastmail.fm/)
 
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Re: He's back.

[John Sessoms]

From: Steven Desjardins


I have a camera phone because it came with the phone.  I hardly use it
unless I see a two headed yak or something.


Oh yeah. But they still make cell phones without a camera.

The guy at the cell phone company acted like I was nuts or something. 
But I told him if he didn't want to sell me what I wanted to buy, I'd 
take my business elsewhere.


And I told him that as soon as I got home I planned to write a letter to 
the cell phone company's customer relations department telling them WHO 
had cost them a customer.


After that it only took him about a minute to find the phone I wanted in 
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Re: He's back.

[Tim Bray]

I'm one of the people who does Android at Google.  For those out there
who already use some combination of gmail and Google calendar (those
is a big number), when you give the phone your login, it goes and
automatically sets up your email and calendar and contacts on the
phone, and then makes sure they automatically stay in sync.  It's
really slick and handy, and the gmail program that runs on Android is
very smooth  snappy.

There's also a regular ordinary mail client that will talk to various
kinds of mail servers including the ones most people have at work.

But if you hate Google and/or have no intention of using any of that
stuff, you might be better off with something other than Android -Tim

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul, like you I also have an Android (Google's OS for smartphones) based
 cell phone. It seems to me that you have confused it a little. When I got
 the phone (with the number of the local provider, obviously) and fired it up
 for the first time, I was asked to give my GMail account to initialize the
 phone or connect it to the cloud or whatever would be the term. Android
 phones seem to be unable to operate without a GMail account stored somewhere
 deep inside them.

 What I am trying to say is that my (local) cell phone number is a part of
 contract between me and the respective operator. Google is no part of it.
 Even if I were to take the Google Nexus phone, I would think that the same
 reasoning would have applied.

 Boris


 On 1/13/2011 1:58 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 I think it has to do with gmail's role as an app for smart phones. I
 had to set up a gmail account when I bought an android phone from
 Verizon. Didn't bother me in the least. Don't use the address, but it
 certainly didn't make me angry. There are lots of weird things going
 on in the world of interconnectivity as the players stake out their
 territory. If it doesn't affect me personally, I don't give a damn.
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Re: He's back.

[AlunFoto]

2011/1/13 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com:
 really slick and handy, and the gmail program that runs on Android is
 very smooth  snappy.

Tim,
Have you looked at managing filtering rules on Android? I'm at loss there...

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Re: He's back.

[Paul Stenquist]

Good to know, Tim. Where can I find the Google calendar on the web? Can I synch 
my android phone with that on a Mac? I notice some of the android file transfer 
options won't work with a Mac, which is unfortunate. But I do like the Android 
options. I am using their mail client for my comcast mail, and it works great. 

Paul
On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

 I'm one of the people who does Android at Google.  For those out there
 who already use some combination of gmail and Google calendar (those
 is a big number), when you give the phone your login, it goes and
 automatically sets up your email and calendar and contacts on the
 phone, and then makes sure they automatically stay in sync.  It's
 really slick and handy, and the gmail program that runs on Android is
 very smooth  snappy.
 
 There's also a regular ordinary mail client that will talk to various
 kinds of mail servers including the ones most people have at work.
 
 But if you hate Google and/or have no intention of using any of that
 stuff, you might be better off with something other than Android -Tim
 
 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul, like you I also have an Android (Google's OS for smartphones) based
 cell phone. It seems to me that you have confused it a little. When I got
 the phone (with the number of the local provider, obviously) and fired it up
 for the first time, I was asked to give my GMail account to initialize the
 phone or connect it to the cloud or whatever would be the term. Android
 phones seem to be unable to operate without a GMail account stored somewhere
 deep inside them.
 
 What I am trying to say is that my (local) cell phone number is a part of
 contract between me and the respective operator. Google is no part of it.
 Even if I were to take the Google Nexus phone, I would think that the same
 reasoning would have applied.
 
 Boris
 
 
 On 1/13/2011 1:58 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
 
 I think it has to do with gmail's role as an app for smart phones. I
 had to set up a gmail account when I bought an android phone from
 Verizon. Didn't bother me in the least. Don't use the address, but it
 certainly didn't make me angry. There are lots of weird things going
 on in the world of interconnectivity as the players stake out their
 territory. If it doesn't affect me personally, I don't give a damn.
 Paul
 
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Re: He's back.

[Tim Bray]

http://google.com/calendar - if you have a gmail account, you get
calendar and Google docs (shareable cloud-based docs and presos and
spreadsheets) along with it, they're linked at the top left of the
gmail page.  If you're using your Mac's Address Book  calendar, you
can sync that stuff both ways to Google, but you have to buy some
software.  I use Spanning Sync ($25/year or some such) and it works
perfectly.  So the calendar on my mac and my phone are always
auto-magically in sync.  -Tim


On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Paul Stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Good to know, Tim. Where can I find the Google calendar on the web? Can I 
 synch my android phone with that on a Mac? I notice some of the android file 
 transfer options won't work with a Mac, which is unfortunate. But I do like 
 the Android options. I am using their mail client for my comcast mail, and it 
 works great.

 Paul
 On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

 I'm one of the people who does Android at Google.  For those out there
 who already use some combination of gmail and Google calendar (those
 is a big number), when you give the phone your login, it goes and
 automatically sets up your email and calendar and contacts on the
 phone, and then makes sure they automatically stay in sync.  It's
 really slick and handy, and the gmail program that runs on Android is
 very smooth  snappy.

 There's also a regular ordinary mail client that will talk to various
 kinds of mail servers including the ones most people have at work.

 But if you hate Google and/or have no intention of using any of that
 stuff, you might be better off with something other than Android -Tim

 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul, like you I also have an Android (Google's OS for smartphones) based
 cell phone. It seems to me that you have confused it a little. When I got
 the phone (with the number of the local provider, obviously) and fired it up
 for the first time, I was asked to give my GMail account to initialize the
 phone or connect it to the cloud or whatever would be the term. Android
 phones seem to be unable to operate without a GMail account stored somewhere
 deep inside them.

 What I am trying to say is that my (local) cell phone number is a part of
 contract between me and the respective operator. Google is no part of it.
 Even if I were to take the Google Nexus phone, I would think that the same
 reasoning would have applied.

 Boris


 On 1/13/2011 1:58 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 I think it has to do with gmail's role as an app for smart phones. I
 had to set up a gmail account when I bought an android phone from
 Verizon. Didn't bother me in the least. Don't use the address, but it
 certainly didn't make me angry. There are lots of weird things going
 on in the world of interconnectivity as the players stake out their
 territory. If it doesn't affect me personally, I don't give a damn.
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Re: He's back.

[Tim Bray]

I set up filtering rules using the gmail on my mac, and they apply on
the phone as well.  I don't know if you can actually create/edit
filtering rules on your phone.  -T

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 2011/1/13 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com:
 really slick and handy, and the gmail program that runs on Android is
 very smooth  snappy.

 Tim,
 Have you looked at managing filtering rules on Android? I'm at loss there...

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Re: He's back.

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks much! I do use the Mac calendar, so this should work well for me.
Paul
On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

 http://google.com/calendar - if you have a gmail account, you get
 calendar and Google docs (shareable cloud-based docs and presos and
 spreadsheets) along with it, they're linked at the top left of the
 gmail page.  If you're using your Mac's Address Book  calendar, you
 can sync that stuff both ways to Google, but you have to buy some
 software.  I use Spanning Sync ($25/year or some such) and it works
 perfectly.  So the calendar on my mac and my phone are always
 auto-magically in sync.  -Tim
 
 
 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Paul Stenquist
 pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Good to know, Tim. Where can I find the Google calendar on the web? Can I 
 synch my android phone with that on a Mac? I notice some of the android file 
 transfer options won't work with a Mac, which is unfortunate. But I do like 
 the Android options. I am using their mail client for my comcast mail, and 
 it works great.
 
 Paul
 On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
 
 I'm one of the people who does Android at Google.  For those out there
 who already use some combination of gmail and Google calendar (those
 is a big number), when you give the phone your login, it goes and
 automatically sets up your email and calendar and contacts on the
 phone, and then makes sure they automatically stay in sync.  It's
 really slick and handy, and the gmail program that runs on Android is
 very smooth  snappy.
 
 There's also a regular ordinary mail client that will talk to various
 kinds of mail servers including the ones most people have at work.
 
 But if you hate Google and/or have no intention of using any of that
 stuff, you might be better off with something other than Android -Tim
 
 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul, like you I also have an Android (Google's OS for smartphones) based
 cell phone. It seems to me that you have confused it a little. When I got
 the phone (with the number of the local provider, obviously) and fired it 
 up
 for the first time, I was asked to give my GMail account to initialize 
 the
 phone or connect it to the cloud or whatever would be the term. Android
 phones seem to be unable to operate without a GMail account stored 
 somewhere
 deep inside them.
 
 What I am trying to say is that my (local) cell phone number is a part of
 contract between me and the respective operator. Google is no part of it.
 Even if I were to take the Google Nexus phone, I would think that the same
 reasoning would have applied.
 
 Boris
 
 
 On 1/13/2011 1:58 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
 
 I think it has to do with gmail's role as an app for smart phones. I
 had to set up a gmail account when I bought an android phone from
 Verizon. Didn't bother me in the least. Don't use the address, but it
 certainly didn't make me angry. There are lots of weird things going
 on in the world of interconnectivity as the players stake out their
 territory. If it doesn't affect me personally, I don't give a damn.
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Re: He's back.

[AlunFoto]

2011/1/13 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com:
 I set up filtering rules using the gmail on my mac, and they apply on
 the phone as well.  I don't know if you can actually create/edit
 filtering rules on your phone.  -T

Hmm... Wonder what I do wrong; none of my filters apply on the phone...
But thanks anyway. Nice to know that others have made it. Increase the
incentive for finding a solution. :-)

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Re: He's back.

[Miserere]

On 13 January 2011 00:45, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:56 -0500, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 This must be new.  I don't remember doing this.



 OK - it looks as if they have changed it back to the old system.

 When I tried to set up a Gmail account a couple of months ago the mobile
 phone issue was the stumbling block, but I just tried it again and was
 able to set up a new account without problems.  I suspect they had a few
 complaints about the mobile phone validation, especially as they
 suggested that you use a friend's mobile number if you didn't own a
 mobile yourself - a good way to lose friends I would have thought



 Cheers

 Brian

The phone validation had been implemented to guard against terrorists.
Eventually, they (Google, not the terrorists) figured out that they
(terrorists, not Google) have mobile phones too, so they dropped the
plan.


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Re: He's back.

[steve harley]

On 2011-01-13 13:45 , Tim Bray wrote:

 If you're using your Mac's Address Book  calendar, you
can sync that stuff both ways to Google, but you have to buy some
software.  I use Spanning Sync ($25/year or some such) and it works
perfectly.  So the calendar on my mac and my phone are always
auto-magically in sync.  -Tim



you can do it for free ... Apple's iCal can sync to Google Calendar 
without any add-ons, much less a paid service; i did it for a year or so 
when working at a firm that used Google Apps extensively; i'm not 
syncing now, so i can't look at my setup to describe it, but this seems 
like it will tell you what you want; it covers Address Book too, which i 
did not do:


http://www.google.com/sync/mac.html

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Re: He's back.

[Rob Studdert]

On 14 January 2011 05:35, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 2011/1/13 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com:
 really slick and handy, and the gmail program that runs on Android is
 very smooth  snappy.

 Tim,
 Have you looked at managing filtering rules on Android? I'm at loss there...

It's not available in the current version of the Android Gmail app,
it's clumsy but you can always open the regular HTML client in the
phone Browser and do it there, I do all the grunt work like that on a
PC as I'm never too far from one.

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Re: He's back.

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/13/2011 8:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

I'm one of the people who does Android at Google.  For those out there
who already use some combination of gmail and Google calendar (those
is a big number), when you give the phone your login, it goes and
automatically sets up your email and calendar and contacts on the
phone, and then makes sure they automatically stay in sync.  It's
really slick and handy, and the gmail program that runs on Android is
very smooth  snappy.

There's also a regular ordinary mail client that will talk to various
kinds of mail servers including the ones most people have at work.

But if you hate Google and/or have no intention of using any of that
stuff, you might be better off with something other than Android -Tim


You appear to be doing a great job, Tim. I really like my Android cell 
phone as I find it both easy to operate and also powerful enough for the 
functions beside the mere making/accepting phone calls that I am using 
it for.


I don't hate Google and I even don't hate Apple and/or Microsoft. I do 
dislike some of their practices and/or approaches and/or offers. For 
example, as you know, I am living in Israel. It means that if I had to 
give Google a call to make them see that I am me, not anybody else and a 
generally nice guy, only for mere purpose of opening an e-mail account, 
that would be a bad practice on their side and potentially a rather big 
addition to my monthly phone bill. I don't expect Google to offer me a 
direct line to a human operator, like call, immediately picked up by a 
human, 1 min conversation, done. I still shudder from the memory whereas 
I was having to navigate some answering machine labyrinth having been 
stuck right before the glorious human voice greeting me - it did not 
recognize me saying yes at the final gate...


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Re: He's back.

[Rob Studdert]

On 14 January 2011 16:27, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't hate Google and I even don't hate Apple and/or Microsoft. I do
 dislike some of their practices and/or approaches and/or offers. For
 example, as you know, I am living in Israel. It means that if I had to give
 Google a call to make them see that I am me, not anybody else and a
 generally nice guy, only for mere purpose of opening an e-mail account, that
 would be a bad practice on their side and potentially a rather big addition
 to my monthly phone bill. I don't expect Google to offer me a direct line to
 a human operator, like call, immediately picked up by a human, 1 min
 conversation, done. I still shudder from the memory whereas I was having to
 navigate some answering machine labyrinth having been stuck right before the
 glorious human voice greeting me - it did not recognize me saying yes at
 the final gate...

It never was as you have obviously been lead to believe, google simply
sent a SMS to the phone number (at their cost) with a key code that
needed to be fed back into the system, not a significant imposition
IMO.

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He's back.

[William Robb]

And that's all I have to say about that.

William Robb

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Re: He's back.

[AlunFoto]

So am I, Bill. Good to see you.
Jostein

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 And that's all I have to say about that.

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Re: He's back.

[Walter Hamler]

Hey, Bill!  Welcome back!
I have been using Windowa Live Mail recently ever since my Windows
Office 2003 crashed my computer. So far, so good  :-)

Walt

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
 And that's all I have to say about that.

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Re: He's back.

[Cotty]

On 12/1/11, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

And that's all I have to say about that.

William Robb

About time.

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Re: He's back.

[Boris Liberman]

WB WR :-).

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Re: He's back.

[Paul Sorenson]

Glad to see you back, Bill.

-p

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And that's all I have to say about that.

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Re: He's back.

[Darren Addy]

He should check the medicine bottle to see if speaking in the third
person is one of the reported side effects.
:)
Welcome back Mr. Robb.

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Re: He's back.

[Paul Stenquist]

Welcome back.You were missed.
That's all I have to say about it.

Paul
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Re: He's back.

[Steven Desjardins]

Welcome back.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
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 person is one of the reported side effects.
 :)
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Re: He's back.

[Bob Sullivan]

Welcome back Bill.
We missed your biting wit, sarcasm. and knowledge of photography.
And we need some more 'old timers' to help frighten the lurkers.  :-)
Have you upgraded to Lightroom 3.3 yet?
It includes lens corrections for the Limited's and the DA60-250/4.
And it asked if you want better renditions of older photos.
Regards, Bob S.

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 And that's all I have to say about that.

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Re: He's back.

[Darren Addy]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:34 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
 And that's all I have to say about that.

http://www.theautodolly.com/images/lilytomlin.jpg
And that's all I have to say about THAT.

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Re: He's back.

[Miserere]

On 12 January 2011 11:34, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
He's back!

 And that's all I have to say about that.

 William Robb

You mean he left


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Re: He's back.

[Steven Desjardins]

Did you think he was just being quiet?

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12 January 2011 11:34, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
He's back!

 And that's all I have to say about that.

 William Robb

 You mean he left


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Re: He's back.

[Ann Sanfedele]

William Robb wrote:


And that's all I have to say about that.

William Robb

Sent from my desktop using the very broken Windows Live Mail 2011.




yayayayayay!

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RE: He's back.

[Bob W]

 And that's all I have to say about that.
 
 William Robb

Welcome. Don't listen to anything anyone says. Don't go back through the
archives reading what everyone really thinks of you. Never turn your back on
a room full of gossips. Never book a room in The Station Hotel.

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Re: He's back.

[Ken Waller]

What Paul said.

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Subject: Re: He's back.



Welcome back.You were missed.
That's all I have to say about it.

Paul
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And that's all I have to say about that.

William Robb

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Re: He's back.

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 And that's all I have to say about that.

 William Robb

 Welcome. Don't listen to anything anyone says. Don't go back through the
 archives reading what everyone really thinks of you. Never turn your back on
 a room full of gossips. Never book a room in The Station Hotel.

Who was that? My email filter put a notifier up that something had tickled it.

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Re: He's back.

[Jack Davis]

Glada see 'ya Bill!!

Jack

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 Subject: He's back.
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
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 And that's all I have to say about
 that.
 
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Re: He's back.

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
 And that's all I have to say about that.

Oky Doky

Welcome back

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Re: He's back.

[Larry Colen]

Welcome back.

On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:34 AM, William Robb wrote:

 And that's all I have to say about that.

No worries, I'm sure that you'll have more to say about something else.
 

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Re: He's back.

[Rob Studdert]

On 13 January 2011 03:34, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sent from my desktop using the very broken Windows Live Mail 2011.

Welcome back Bill,  hmm, Live Mail, akin to self flagellation.

;-)

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Re: He's back.

[William Robb]

-Original Message- 
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Subject: Re: He's back.

On 13 January 2011 03:34, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:


Sent from my desktop using the very broken Windows Live Mail 2011.


Welcome back Bill,  hmm, Live Mail, akin to self flagellation.

;-)


It's the biggest pile of steaming poo imaginable.
I really liked Outlook Express, but Microdork had to go and screw up their 
email client entirely.

I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor 
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Re: He's back.

[Rob Studdert]

On 13 January 2011 11:51, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
 Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor
 formatting.

I know it's considered a sin by some but Gmail works well for many of us?

Otherwise there is always Thunderbird, http://www.mozilla.org/ it's
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Re: He's back.

[Subash]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:34:34 -0600
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 And that's all I have to say about that.

good to have you again Bill. welcome back...


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Re: He's back.

[Stan Halpin]

Welcome back! Are you saying that MS mislabeled their product, and that it 
should have been called Dead Mail 2011?

stan

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RE: He's back.

[John Coyle]

Welcome back, Bill.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Subject: He's back.

And that's all I have to say about that.

William Robb

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Re: He's back.

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:57 +1100, Rob Studdert
distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 13 January 2011 11:51, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
  Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor
  formatting.
 
 I know it's considered a sin by some but Gmail works well for many of us?
 
 Otherwise there is always Thunderbird, http://www.mozilla.org/ it's
 very Outloookish


The only problem with Gmail these days is that Google has a validation
process that involves them contacting you by mobile phone before you can
set up the account (yes, I know that shouldn't be a problem but some of
us - OK, probably only me - don't have such device).

A good web-based client - and the one I use - is Fastmail, now owned by
Opera.  I use it exclusively for PDML and the free account is more than
adequate (http://fastmail.fm/)

Oh, yeah.  Welcome back, Bill.



Cheers

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RE: He's back.

[Tanya Love]

Woohoo!

Tan.x.

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Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2011 11:39 AM
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Subject: RE: He's back.

Welcome back, Bill.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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And that's all I have to say about that.

William Robb

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Re: He's back.

[Christine Aguila]

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Welcome back, Bill!  I use Outlook Express myself; I refuse to change.  How 
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Re: He's back.

[Boris Liberman]

Bill, I am using Thunderbird ever since it came out. Works for me.

On 1/13/2011 2:51 AM, William Robb wrote:

It's the biggest pile of steaming poo imaginable.
I really liked Outlook Express, but Microdork had to go and screw up
their email client entirely.
I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor
formatting.


Microdork - that's a good one.

Boris

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Re: He's back.

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/13/2011 4:43 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

The only problem with Gmail these days is that Google has a _validation
process that involves them contacting you by mobile phone_ before you can
set up the account (yes, I know that shouldn't be a problem but some of
us - OK, probably only me - don't have such device).


I gotta spell it out and loud - what the fuck google is thinking of 
themselves???!!!


Boris in outrage

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Re: He's back.

[Steven Desjardins]

i've been using a dedicated Gmail account for the PDML.  It works
pretty well for me.  Not sure I'd use i for my primary email, however.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bill, I am using Thunderbird ever since it came out. Works for me.

 On 1/13/2011 2:51 AM, William Robb wrote:

 It's the biggest pile of steaming poo imaginable.
 I really liked Outlook Express, but Microdork had to go and screw up
 their email client entirely.
 I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
 Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor
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 Microdork - that's a good one.

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Re: He's back.

[Steven Desjardins]

This must be new.  I don't remember doing this.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:57 +1100, Rob Studdert
 distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 13 January 2011 11:51, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

  I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
  Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor
  formatting.

 I know it's considered a sin by some but Gmail works well for many of us?

 Otherwise there is always Thunderbird, http://www.mozilla.org/ it's
 very Outloookish


 The only problem with Gmail these days is that Google has a validation
 process that involves them contacting you by mobile phone before you can
 set up the account (yes, I know that shouldn't be a problem but some of
 us - OK, probably only me - don't have such device).

 A good web-based client - and the one I use - is Fastmail, now owned by
 Opera.  I use it exclusively for PDML and the free account is more than
 adequate (http://fastmail.fm/)

 Oh, yeah.  Welcome back, Bill.



 Cheers

 Brian

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Re: He's back.

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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:56 -0500, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
wrote:
 This must be new.  I don't remember doing this.
 


OK - it looks as if they have changed it back to the old system.

When I tried to set up a Gmail account a couple of months ago the mobile
phone issue was the stumbling block, but I just tried it again and was
able to set up a new account without problems.  I suspect they had a few
complaints about the mobile phone validation, especially as they
suggested that you use a friend's mobile number if you didn't own a
mobile yourself - a good way to lose friends I would have thought



Cheers

Brian

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 On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm
 wrote:
  On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:57 +1100, Rob Studdert
  distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 13 January 2011 11:51, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
   Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor
   formatting.
 
  I know it's considered a sin by some but Gmail works well for many of us?
 
  Otherwise there is always Thunderbird, http://www.mozilla.org/ it's
  very Outloookish
 
 
  The only problem with Gmail these days is that Google has a validation
  process that involves them contacting you by mobile phone before you can
  set up the account (yes, I know that shouldn't be a problem but some of
  us - OK, probably only me - don't have such device).
 
  A good web-based client - and the one I use - is Fastmail, now owned by
  Opera.  I use it exclusively for PDML and the free account is more than
  adequate (http://fastmail.fm/)
 
  Oh, yeah.  Welcome back, Bill.
 
 
 
  Cheers
 
  Brian
 
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RE: He's back.

[Bob W]

 On 13 January 2011 03:34, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Sent from my desktop using the very broken Windows Live Mail 2011.
 
 Welcome back Bill,  hmm, Live Mail, akin to self flagellation.
 
 ;-)
 
 
 It's the biggest pile of steaming poo imaginable.
 I really liked Outlook Express, but Microdork had to go and screw up
 their
 email client entirely.
 I am investigating my options and am open to suggestions.
 Until I find a client that actually works, I apologize for the poor
 formatting.

I used The Bat! for a few years until I got Outlook (not Express). It was
fine. Don't know what it's like now, but you might want to take a look at
it.

B


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Re: He's back.

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/13/2011 9:37 AM, Bob W wrote:

I used The Bat! for a few years until I got Outlook (not Express). It was
fine. Don't know what it's like now, but you might want to take a look at
it.

B


Bob-the-rebel is growing tired... /grin/

Boris

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Re: He's back!!

[David J Brooks]

Sorry for the colds, welcome back, and glad you like that 60-250. Its
on my list.

Dave

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
 And a whirlwind trip it was (rather literally), pulling a trailer into the
 wind both directions.
 Of course we both came down with colds about the same time we got there.
 Damn.
 But, this is a photography list, so onwards.

 The 60-250 became my new best friend on this trip. The lens has no bad
 habits, and is sharp at every aperture and focal length range that I used it
 at (most of them).
 I even found a circular polarizer that would fit it, so I got to try out the
 cool removable tab in the lens hood. That worked well, and I didn't even
 lose the thing.
 If I had to find fault with it, it is a little bit BIG, but it is what it
 is.
 At some point I'll post a gallery of shots, but for now I think a nice juicy
 steak and a bottle of Carmenere are in my immediate future.

 William Robb

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He's back!!

[William Robb]

And a whirlwind trip it was (rather literally), pulling a trailer into the 
wind both directions.

Of course we both came down with colds about the same time we got there.
Damn.
But, this is a photography list, so onwards.

The 60-250 became my new best friend on this trip. The lens has no bad 
habits, and is sharp at every aperture and focal length range that I used it 
at (most of them).
I even found a circular polarizer that would fit it, so I got to try out the 
cool removable tab in the lens hood. That worked well, and I didn't even 
lose the thing.
If I had to find fault with it, it is a little bit BIG, but it is what it 
is.
At some point I'll post a gallery of shots, but for now I think a nice juicy 
steak and a bottle of Carmenere are in my immediate future.


William Robb 



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Re: He's back!!

[Keith Whaley]

William Robb wrote:
And a whirlwind trip it was (rather literally), pulling a trailer into 
the wind both directions.

Of course we both came down with colds about the same time we got there.
Damn.
But, this is a photography list, so onwards.

The 60-250 became my new best friend on this trip. The lens has no bad 
habits, and is sharp at every aperture and focal length range that I 
used it at (most of them).
I even found a circular polarizer that would fit it, so I got to try out 
the cool removable tab in the lens hood. That worked well, and I didn't 
even lose the thing.
If I had to find fault with it, it is a little bit BIG, but it is what 
it is.
At some point I'll post a gallery of shots, but for now I think a nice 
juicy steak and a bottle of Carmenere are in my immediate future.


William Robb


Since it's reported to be akin to a Merlot, I'll go look for it.
Must be _some_ here, somewhere!

keith

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Re: He's back!!

[Mark Roberts]

Woo hoo!

Great timing, Bill. I just returned from my trip to the big apple (see
long-winded post on the subject). I've got a gallery at
http://www.robertstech.com/blog/photos/gallery14/

Now let's see yours.


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RE: He's back!!

[Desjardins, Steve]

Nice Gallery.  NYC can be an embarrassment of riches picture-wise.

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts 
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Woo hoo!

Great timing, Bill. I just returned from my trip to the big apple (see
long-winded post on the subject). I've got a gallery at
http://www.robertstech.com/blog/photos/gallery14/

Now let's see yours.


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Re: He's back!!

[Doug Franklin]

William Robb wrote:


The 60-250 became my new best friend on this trip. The lens has no bad
habits, and is sharp at every aperture and focal length range that I 
used it


I'd never be able/willing to afford it, but I'd love to have something 
in a DA form factor that could compete with the FA* 200/2.8 and F* 300/4 
for image quality ... sort of like the F[A]* 80-200/2.8, but smaller 
... and at a lot less than the price of a good used car, unlike used 
copies of the F[A]* 80-200/2.8.


The new long and fast lenses look great from an IQ perspective, but I 
simply can't/won't spend $1200 or more for a good lens, especially three 
or four or more times.


I guess it's just another in a long line of cases of having a champagne 
taste and a Budweiser purse. :-)


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