Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[John]

IIRC, that's what it said at the bottom of the announcement. 8-)

On 2/27/2018 16:33, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I emailed Ricoh with a couple of questions about the process,
expected turnaround times, whether Precision was going to do the work
or forward on to Japan...

The answer(s) - more information will be released shortly.

Stay tuned…

stan



On Feb 22, 2018, at 4:56 PM, John  wrote:

I'm with Larry on this. A couple of you heavy hitters send your
K-1s in and let us know how it works out before we send ours in.

On 2/21/2018 23:51, Larry Colen wrote:

I'm very impressed by their offering this. I'll wait and see how
well it works for other people, and if I have the money, I'll
consider it. Stanley Halpin wrote:

OK, so I was wrong. Maybe I do need to move on from K-1… Good
move by Ricoh. Hopefully Precision is up to the task. stan

On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:39 PM,
Bill wrote: This is cool. Get
your present K1 upgraded to the K1II camera. I don't think
I've ever seen a manufacturer do this before. 
https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/news/68-upgrade-pentax-k1




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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Bill]

Here:
http://ricoh-imaging.ca/en/support/upgrade-service



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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Bill]

On 2/27/2018 3:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I saw a notice on Facebook from Pentax earlier today saying that the program 
wouldn’t start until late May and would run for a limited time.


The program starts late May, and runs until late September. The cost is 
something like US$550.00 and is being done by Precision Camera Repair in 
the USA. The Canadian price is ~C680.00, and is being handled by Sun 
Camera Repair in, IIRC, Toronto.


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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Paul Stenquist]

I saw a notice on Facebook from Pentax earlier today saying that the program 
wouldn’t start until late May and would run for a limited time.


> On Feb 27, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> I emailed Ricoh with a couple of questions about the process, expected 
> turnaround times, whether Precision was going to do the work or forward on to 
> Japan...
> 
> The answer(s) - more information will be released shortly.
> 
> Stay tuned…
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2018, at 4:56 PM, John  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with Larry on this. A couple of you heavy hitters send your K-1s in
>> and let us know how it works out before we send ours in.
>> 
>> On 2/21/2018 23:51, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> I'm very impressed by their offering this. I'll wait and see how well
>>> it works for other people, and if I have the money, I'll consider
>>> it.
>>> Stanley Halpin wrote:
 OK, so I was wrong. Maybe I do need to move on from K-1… Good move
 by Ricoh. Hopefully Precision is up to the task.
 stan
> On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Bill
> wrote:
> This is cool. Get your present K1 upgraded to the K1II camera. I
> don't think I've ever seen a manufacturer do this before.
> https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/news/68-upgrade-pentax-k1
> bill
>> 
>> 
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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Stanley Halpin]

I emailed Ricoh with a couple of questions about the process, expected 
turnaround times, whether Precision was going to do the work or forward on to 
Japan...

The answer(s) - more information will be released shortly.

Stay tuned…

stan


> On Feb 22, 2018, at 4:56 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> I'm with Larry on this. A couple of you heavy hitters send your K-1s in
> and let us know how it works out before we send ours in.
> 
> On 2/21/2018 23:51, Larry Colen wrote:
>> I'm very impressed by their offering this. I'll wait and see how well
>> it works for other people, and if I have the money, I'll consider
>> it.
>> Stanley Halpin wrote:
>>> OK, so I was wrong. Maybe I do need to move on from K-1… Good move
>>> by Ricoh. Hopefully Precision is up to the task.
>>> stan
 On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Bill
 wrote:
 This is cool. Get your present K1 upgraded to the K1II camera. I
 don't think I've ever seen a manufacturer do this before.
 https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/news/68-upgrade-pentax-k1
 bill
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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[P. J. Alling]

If I thought it would work...


On 2/23/2018 2:21 PM, John wrote:

Have you considered hiring a witch doctor to put a curse on them?

On 2/23/2018 08:52, P. J. Alling wrote:

I have a positive loathing for Precision Camera, from experiences
more than 40 years ago.  It takes a lot to make one still dislike an
organization, after a gap of 40 years.  They were an early
promulgator of the idea that the customer was always wrong.

I was working for a Camera retailer at the time, and I well remember
the call from one of their technicians to tell me that they would not
honor the warranty on my MX because it had some cosmetic damage.

I accepted that, and told them to make the repair, and that I would
pay for it, which was to a wonky meter, a known problem, from the
factory, that required the replacement of one part.

The fact that neither I nor our in house repair tech, who examined
the camera before sending it out, noticed the small dent in the top
plate, that the Precision tech said voided said warranty, well things
happen.

When I got the camera back they had reshaped the top plate so that
the damage was now clearly noticeable, and had not actually repaired
the actual metering problem.  Oh, and yes they did charge me for both
that and making the cosmetic damage very noticeable.

When I called back to complain that the actual problem hadn't been
repaired, and that the work they had actually done was unnecessary,
as I didn't care that much if there was a small dent in the top
plate, since the camera wasn't under warranty,  but mostly I
complained that the meter was still wonky.

I was told that I could send it back but they'd charge me for the new
repair.

Since then I've recommended to anyone who asked advice on camera
repair to use anyone but Precision, to help Precision into their
inevitable chapter 7 bankruptcy.

Unfortunately in this I have failed.  At a guess I would say that
most people don't actually talk to a Precision representative, and
take out their anger on the retailer, most of whom have pretty
horrible levels of service these days as well.


On 2/22/2018 12:21 PM, Leng-Feng wrote:

It will be like you paid $550 for using K1 for a year and get to
"upgrade" to the latest and greatest. :)

If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For
$550, I might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience
with Precision Camera?)

Personally, I think except the better noise processing that
required hardware change, other features can be done via firmware
upgrade to K1. So $550 is a bit steep.

Lee

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:07 PM, jtainter
 wrote:


I doubt if I'll ever need ISO 819,200 and I will probably never
use pixel shift. Is there any other reason to take up this
offer?

Also, if I get this new motherboard, will I have to do focus
testing again on all of my (many) lenses? Unless the upgrade
offers something more than the above, this would be a deal
killer.

Thanks to anyone who can answer.

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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[John]

Have you considered hiring a witch doctor to put a curse on them?

On 2/23/2018 08:52, P. J. Alling wrote:

I have a positive loathing for Precision Camera, from experiences
more than 40 years ago.  It takes a lot to make one still dislike an
organization, after a gap of 40 years.  They were an early
promulgator of the idea that the customer was always wrong.

I was working for a Camera retailer at the time, and I well remember
the call from one of their technicians to tell me that they would not
honor the warranty on my MX because it had some cosmetic damage.

I accepted that, and told them to make the repair, and that I would
pay for it, which was to a wonky meter, a known problem, from the
factory, that required the replacement of one part.

The fact that neither I nor our in house repair tech, who examined
the camera before sending it out, noticed the small dent in the top
plate, that the Precision tech said voided said warranty, well things
happen.

When I got the camera back they had reshaped the top plate so that
the damage was now clearly noticeable, and had not actually repaired
the actual metering problem.  Oh, and yes they did charge me for both
that and making the cosmetic damage very noticeable.

When I called back to complain that the actual problem hadn't been
repaired, and that the work they had actually done was unnecessary,
as I didn't care that much if there was a small dent in the top
plate, since the camera wasn't under warranty,  but mostly I
complained that the meter was still wonky.

I was told that I could send it back but they'd charge me for the new
repair.

Since then I've recommended to anyone who asked advice on camera
repair to use anyone but Precision, to help Precision into their
inevitable chapter 7 bankruptcy.

Unfortunately in this I have failed.  At a guess I would say that
most people don't actually talk to a Precision representative, and
take out their anger on the retailer, most of whom have pretty
horrible levels of service these days as well.


On 2/22/2018 12:21 PM, Leng-Feng wrote:

It will be like you paid $550 for using K1 for a year and get to
"upgrade" to the latest and greatest. :)

If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For
$550, I might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience
with Precision Camera?)

Personally, I think except the better noise processing that
required hardware change, other features can be done via firmware
upgrade to K1. So $550 is a bit steep.

Lee

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:07 PM, jtainter
 wrote:


I doubt if I'll ever need ISO 819,200 and I will probably never
use pixel shift. Is there any other reason to take up this
offer?

Also, if I get this new motherboard, will I have to do focus
testing again on all of my (many) lenses? Unless the upgrade
offers something more than the above, this would be a deal
killer.

Thanks to anyone who can answer.

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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[P. J. Alling]

I have a positive loathing for Precision Camera, from experiences more 
than 40 years ago.  It takes a lot to make one still dislike an 
organization, after a gap of 40 years.  They were an early promulgator 
of the idea that the customer was always wrong.


I was working for a Camera retailer at the time, and I well remember the 
call from one of their technicians to tell me that they would not honor 
the warranty on my MX because it had some cosmetic damage.


I accepted that, and told them to make the repair, and that I would pay 
for it, which was to a wonky meter, a known problem, from the factory, 
that required the replacement of one part.


The fact that neither I nor our in house repair tech, who examined the 
camera before sending it out, noticed the small dent in the top plate, 
that the Precision tech said voided said warranty, well things happen.


When I got the camera back they had reshaped the top plate so that the 
damage was now clearly noticeable, and had not actually repaired the 
actual metering problem.  Oh, and yes they did charge me for both that 
and making the cosmetic damage very noticeable.


When I called back to complain that the actual problem hadn't been 
repaired, and that the work they had actually done was unnecessary, as I 
didn't care that much if there was a small dent in the top plate, since 
the camera wasn't under warranty,  but mostly I complained that the 
meter was still wonky.


I was told that I could send it back but they'd charge me for the new 
repair.


Since then I've recommended to anyone who asked advice on camera repair 
to use anyone but Precision, to help Precision into their inevitable 
chapter 7 bankruptcy.


Unfortunately in this I have failed.  At a guess I would say that most 
people don't actually talk to a Precision representative, and take out 
their anger on the retailer, most of whom have pretty horrible levels of 
service these days as well.



On 2/22/2018 12:21 PM, Leng-Feng wrote:

It will be like you paid $550 for using K1 for a year and get to "upgrade"
to the latest and greatest. :)

If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For $550, I
might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience with Precision
Camera?)

Personally, I think except the better noise processing that required
hardware change, other features can be done via firmware upgrade to K1. So
$550 is a bit steep.

Lee

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:07 PM, jtainter  wrote:


I doubt if I'll ever need ISO 819,200 and I will probably never use pixel
shift. Is there any other reason to take up this offer?

Also, if I get this new motherboard, will I have to do focus testing again
on all of my (many) lenses? Unless the upgrade offers something more than
the above, this would be a deal killer.

Thanks to anyone who can answer.

Joe



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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Igor PDML-StR]

From what I've read, the answers to your questions are "yes" and "yes".

(Joe, in his message below was mentioning "ISO 819,200")

The upgrade seems to bring K1 up to the full equivalent of Mark-II.

Igor


 John Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:10:02 -0800 wrote:

The Pentax KP had a high ISO of 819,200. Two steps below that would be
204,800; four steps is 51, 200. Two-four steps means usable high ISO
starts where the K3 maxes out and extends to where the K-1 maxes out.


How high is the k-1ii announced as going? Will it have the same range
as the KP?

Will the "upgraded" K-1 have the same max ISO as the K-1ii.

On 2/22/2018 14:25, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Joe,
In my experience, with all digital cameras (DSLRs, P's, ...) - the highest 
realistically (reliably) usable ISO is about 2-4 steps below the maximum one. 
E.g. with the K5-IIs that has the highest setting of 512,000,
the highest I've been using is 6400, while trying not to exceed 3200. Beyond 
that, you can see the images, but they are too noisy to be usable. I may have 
pushed to 128,000 1-2 times, but without any valuable outcomes.


So, raising the maximum ISO, raises the range of _usable_ ISOs.
I am sure that several people on this list would appreciate that.
Right Larry? ;-)


And I agree with Bill: if I had a K-1, and was actively using its high-ISO 
range (as I've been doing for several years previously, but with less capable 
Pentax DSLRs), I'd considered that upgrade as a very helpful

(and money-saving) option.


Igor


jtainter Thu, 22 Feb 2018 09:08:37 -0800 wrote:

I doubt if I'll ever need ISO 819,200 and I will probably never use pixel 
shift. Is there any other reason to take up this offer?


Also, if I get this new motherboard, will I have to do focus testing again 
on all of my (many) lenses? Unless the upgrade offers something more than 
the above, this would be a deal killer.


Thanks to anyone who can answer.


Joe


Bill Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:21:06 -0800 wrote:

Beats the heck out of using the latest and greatest for nearly two years 
(the K1 is closer to two years old than one), and then getting to pay 
another $2K to "upgrade" to the latest and greatest.




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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[John]

The announcement says "More details on the program will be released
in the upcoming weeks."

On 2/22/2018 13:40, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Have we seen any instructions on how to accomplish this upgrade?



On Feb 22, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Bill 
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 11:21 AM, Leng-Feng wrote:

It will be like you paid $550 for using K1 for a year and get to
"upgrade" to the latest and greatest. :)


Beats the heck out of using the latest and greatest for nearly two
years (the K1 is closer to two years old than one), and then
getting to pay another $2K to "upgrade" to the latest and
greatest.

If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For
$550, I might wait a bit (especially many have negative
experience with Precision Camera?)


I bet many more have had great experience with them. It's just that
the internet has given voice to disgruntled people with nothing to
say.





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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[John]

I view it more like getting $1000 trade-in credit for my 2 year old K-1.

On 2/22/2018 12:21, Leng-Feng wrote:

It will be like you paid $550 for using K1 for a year and get to "upgrade"
to the latest and greatest. :)

If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For $550, I
might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience with Precision
Camera?)

Personally, I think except the better noise processing that required
hardware change, other features can be done via firmware upgrade to K1. So
$550 is a bit steep.

Lee

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:07 PM, jtainter  wrote:


I doubt if I'll ever need ISO 819,200 and I will probably never use pixel
shift. Is there any other reason to take up this offer?

Also, if I get this new motherboard, will I have to do focus testing again
on all of my (many) lenses? Unless the upgrade offers something more than
the above, this would be a deal killer.

Thanks to anyone who can answer.

Joe






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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[John]

The Pentax KP had a high ISO of 819,200. Two steps below that would be
204,800; four steps is 51, 200. Two-four steps means usable high ISO
starts where the K3 maxes out and extends to where the K-1 maxes out.

How high is the k-1ii announced as going? Will it have the same range
as the KP?

Will the "upgraded" K-1 have the same max ISO as the K-1ii.

On 2/22/2018 14:25, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Joe, In my experience, with all digital cameras (DSLRs, P's, ...) -
the highest realistically (reliably) usable ISO is about 2-4 steps
below the maximum one. E.g. with the K5-IIs that has the highest
setting of 512,000, the highest I've been using is 6400, while trying
not to exceed 3200. Beyond that, you can see the images, but they are
too noisy to be usable. I may have pushed to 128,000 1-2 times, but
without any valuable outcomes.

So, raising the maximum ISO, raises the range of _usable_ ISOs. I am
sure that several people on this list would appreciate that. Right
Larry? ;-)


And I agree with Bill: if I had a K-1, and was actively using its
high-ISO range (as I've been doing for several years previously, but
with less capable Pentax DSLRs), I'd considered that upgrade as a
very helpful (and money-saving) option.


Igor


jtainter Thu, 22 Feb 2018 09:08:37 -0800 wrote:


I doubt if I'll ever need ISO 819,200 and I will probably never use
pixel shift. Is there any other reason to take up this offer?

Also, if I get this new motherboard, will I have to do focus
testing again on all of my (many) lenses? Unless the upgrade offers
something more than the above, this would be a deal killer.

Thanks to anyone who can answer.


Joe


Bill Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:21:06 -0800 wrote:


Beats the heck out of using the latest and greatest for nearly two
years (the K1 is closer to two years old than one), and then
getting to pay another $2K to "upgrade" to the latest and
greatest.





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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[John]

I'm with Larry on this. A couple of you heavy hitters send your K-1s in
and let us know how it works out before we send ours in.

On 2/21/2018 23:51, Larry Colen wrote:

I'm very impressed by their offering this. I'll wait and see how well
it works for other people, and if I have the money, I'll consider
it.

Stanley Halpin wrote:

OK, so I was wrong. Maybe I do need to move on from K-1… Good move
by Ricoh. Hopefully Precision is up to the task.

stan


On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Bill
wrote:

This is cool. Get your present K1 upgraded to the K1II camera. I
don't think I've ever seen a manufacturer do this before.

https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/news/68-upgrade-pentax-k1

bill





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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Bruce Walker]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 2/22/2018 3:02 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> I had a bad experience with Precision but I never posted anything
>> negative about them.  I was never able to get the issue solved as
>> their response to my emails was non-existent. I guess that's how they
>> deal with "problem" customers: ignore them.
>
>
> Now you know why I deal with real stores.

Barely an option when it comes to Pentax. Both Vistek and Henry's have
all but stopped carrying any Pentax kit. All K-mount bodies are
"special order" and all 645 stuff is discontinued.

I'm about to get a new 645 lens and it will have to be either through
The Camera Store or import from the US (B). They are as real as is
available.

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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Gonz]

Yup, I wish we had a camera store around here that supported Pentax.
They are all Canikony places.


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 2/22/2018 3:02 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> I had a bad experience with Precision but I never posted anything
>> negative about them.  I was never able to get the issue solved as
>> their response to my emails was non-existent. I guess that's how they
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>
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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Bill]

On 2/22/2018 3:02 PM, Gonz wrote:

I had a bad experience with Precision but I never posted anything
negative about them.  I was never able to get the issue solved as
their response to my emails was non-existent. I guess that's how they
deal with "problem" customers: ignore them.


Now you know why I deal with real stores.

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[Gonz]

I had a bad experience with Precision but I never posted anything
negative about them.  I was never able to get the issue solved as
their response to my emails was non-existent. I guess that's how they
deal with "problem" customers: ignore them.


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:21 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 2/22/2018 1:06 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> Bill  wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/22/2018 11:21 AM, Leng-Feng wrote:

 If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For $550, I
 might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience with
 Precision
 Camera?)
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet many more have had great experience with them. It's just that the
>>> internet has given voice to disgruntled people with nothing to say.
>>
>>
>> Definitely. Precision did a repair and overhaul on my FA*80-200/2.8 (a
>> famously complex and difficult-to-disassemble lens) for far less money
>> than I expected and did a superb job. Turned it around fairly quickly,
>> too.
>>
>>
> The problem with internet reporting is that the people who feel they have
> been treated poorly make noise far in excess of their numbers. I notice this
> on the Titan Diesel forums where you would think that these trucks can't
> make it across town without breaking down, and apparently they are far
> better than the Rams, Fords and GMCs, which can barely get off the driveway
> without a trip to the mechanic.
> I'm sure that Precision has had it's fair share of failures, but I am fairly
> certain that the numbers are not horribly skewed towards failures, no matter
> what the internet brayers would have us think.
>
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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Igor PDML-StR]

Bill,

Of course, people who are not happy with something complain louder than 
those people who are happy brag about that. And this is not just about 
Internet reviews. Internet just made it easier to be heard.
Besides, if you are an owner of a lemon that cost you some 5-digit sum, 
you probably wouldn't really care if all other cars were perfect (but they 
aren't anyway), would you? ;-)



For a more balanced picture in your case, you should've gone to similar 
forums for other brands (GMC, Ford, etc.) and compare the level of 
complaints and the type of issues.



But I would venture to say that the automotive industry as a whole 
produces too much crap. Let me offer some simple analysis.


This article describes some interesting facts related to the J.P. Power
Initial Quality Study (IQS):
http://www.autonews.com/article/20170621/OEM01/170629948/2017-j-d-power-iqs-kia
Even for the best-rated by the IQS cars, the number of the problems 
(within the first 90 days, even before the new smell weares out) is 
extremely high. The lowest number (for Kia) is 72 per 100 vehicles. It 
doesn't necessarily mean that 72% of new cars are defective, as I suspect 
that some of the problems were for the same cars (or, otherwise, how would 
you hit 148 per 100 cars for Jaguars?!), but even if we assume that on 
average it is 2 problems per car, that's still a high number of more than 
1/3 of new cars being defective, with the "industry average" at about 50% 
(!)

As my old boss used to say: "they rank from crappy to worse".

What is surprising is that Kia's 72 problems per 100 vehicles is 
praised:"This is without question the best quality the world has ever 
seen". What?! Indeed, it is an improvement from the past. Being less bad 
may deserve an encouragement, maybe an honorable mention (especially when 
it concerns kids' behavior). But I have problems with awarding "less bad" 
behavior in the adult world.


It is not just half-empty vs. half-full attitude. It is the distorted 
notion of normalcy (and its acceptance by the population).
You wouldn't be OK if half of all milk packages in the store had listeria 
or E.coli, would you? But we accept that at least 1/3-1/2 of all new cars 
are defective. (If a car has a problem in the first 90 days, - that's a 
defective product!)


Sorry for going this far OT...

Igor




 Bill Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:23:10 -0800 wrote:

The problem with internet reporting is that the people who feel they have 
been treated poorly make noise far in excess of their numbers. I notice 
this on the Titan Diesel forums where you would think that these trucks 
can't make it across town without breaking down, and apparently they are 
far better than the Rams, Fords and GMCs, which can barely get off the 
driveway without a trip to the mechanic. I'm sure that Precision has had 
it's fair share of failures, but I am fairly certain that the numbers are 
not horribly skewed towards failures, no matter what the internet brayers 
would have us think.




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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Igor PDML-StR]

Joe,
In my experience, with all digital cameras (DSLRs, P's, ...) - the 
highest realistically (reliably) usable ISO is about 2-4 steps below the 
maximum one. E.g. with the K5-IIs that has the highest setting of 512,000,
the highest I've been using is 6400, while trying not to exceed 3200. 
Beyond that, you can see the images, but they are too noisy to be usable. 
I may have pushed to 128,000 1-2 times, but without any valuable outcomes.


So, raising the maximum ISO, raises the range of _usable_ ISOs.
I am sure that several people on this list would appreciate that.
Right Larry? ;-)


And I agree with Bill: if I had a K-1, and was actively using its high-ISO 
range (as I've been doing for several years previously, but with less 
capable Pentax DSLRs), I'd considered that upgrade as a very helpful

(and money-saving) option.


Igor


jtainter Thu, 22 Feb 2018 09:08:37 -0800 wrote:

I doubt if I'll ever need ISO 819,200 and I will probably never use 
pixel shift. Is there any other reason to take up this offer?


Also, if I get this new motherboard, will I have to do focus testing 
again on all of my (many) lenses? Unless the upgrade offers something 
more than the above, this would be a deal killer.


Thanks to anyone who can answer.


Joe


 Bill Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:21:06 -0800 wrote:

Beats the heck out of using the latest and greatest for nearly two years 
(the K1 is closer to two years old than one), and then getting to pay 
another $2K to "upgrade" to the latest and greatest.


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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Bill]

On 2/22/2018 1:06 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bill  wrote:


On 2/22/2018 11:21 AM, Leng-Feng wrote:

If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For $550, I
might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience with Precision
Camera?)


I bet many more have had great experience with them. It's just that the
internet has given voice to disgruntled people with nothing to say.


Definitely. Precision did a repair and overhaul on my FA*80-200/2.8 (a
famously complex and difficult-to-disassemble lens) for far less money
than I expected and did a superb job. Turned it around fairly quickly,
too.


The problem with internet reporting is that the people who feel they 
have been treated poorly make noise far in excess of their numbers. I 
notice this on the Titan Diesel forums where you would think that these 
trucks can't make it across town without breaking down, and apparently 
they are far better than the Rams, Fords and GMCs, which can barely get 
off the driveway without a trip to the mechanic.
I'm sure that Precision has had it's fair share of failures, but I am 
fairly certain that the numbers are not horribly skewed towards 
failures, no matter what the internet brayers would have us think.


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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Mark Roberts]

Bill  wrote:

>On 2/22/2018 11:21 AM, Leng-Feng wrote:
>> If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For $550, I
>> might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience with Precision
>> Camera?)
>
>I bet many more have had great experience with them. It's just that the 
>internet has given voice to disgruntled people with nothing to say.

Definitely. Precision did a repair and overhaul on my FA*80-200/2.8 (a
famously complex and difficult-to-disassemble lens) for far less money
than I expected and did a superb job. Turned it around fairly quickly,
too.


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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Bill]

On 2/22/2018 12:40 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Have we seen any instructions on how to accomplish this upgrade?


I'll be taking my camera to the local pusher who will happily send it 
off for me. I expect I will send it off mid June.






On Feb 22, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 2/22/2018 11:21 AM, Leng-Feng wrote:

It will be like you paid $550 for using K1 for a year and get to "upgrade"
to the latest and greatest. :)


Beats the heck out of using the latest and greatest for nearly two years (the K1 is 
closer to two years old than one), and then getting to pay another $2K to 
"upgrade" to the latest and greatest.

If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For $550, I
might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience with Precision
Camera?)


I bet many more have had great experience with them. It's just that the 
internet has given voice to disgruntled people with nothing to say.

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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Paul Stenquist]

Have we seen any instructions on how to accomplish this upgrade?


> On Feb 22, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 2/22/2018 11:21 AM, Leng-Feng wrote:
>> It will be like you paid $550 for using K1 for a year and get to "upgrade"
>> to the latest and greatest. :)
> 
> Beats the heck out of using the latest and greatest for nearly two years (the 
> K1 is closer to two years old than one), and then getting to pay another $2K 
> to "upgrade" to the latest and greatest.
>> If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For $550, I
>> might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience with Precision
>> Camera?)
> 
> I bet many more have had great experience with them. It's just that the 
> internet has given voice to disgruntled people with nothing to say.
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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Bill]

On 2/22/2018 11:21 AM, Leng-Feng wrote:

It will be like you paid $550 for using K1 for a year and get to "upgrade"
to the latest and greatest. :)


Beats the heck out of using the latest and greatest for nearly two years 
(the K1 is closer to two years old than one), and then getting to pay 
another $2K to "upgrade" to the latest and greatest.


If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For $550, I
might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience with Precision
Camera?)


I bet many more have had great experience with them. It's just that the 
internet has given voice to disgruntled people with nothing to say.


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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Leng-Feng]

It will be like you paid $550 for using K1 for a year and get to "upgrade"
to the latest and greatest. :)

If it is like $299 or $350 I think I will do it right away. For $550, I
might wait a bit (especially many have negative experience with Precision
Camera?)

Personally, I think except the better noise processing that required
hardware change, other features can be done via firmware upgrade to K1. So
$550 is a bit steep.

Lee

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:07 PM, jtainter  wrote:

> I doubt if I'll ever need ISO 819,200 and I will probably never use pixel
> shift. Is there any other reason to take up this offer?
>
> Also, if I get this new motherboard, will I have to do focus testing again
> on all of my (many) lenses? Unless the upgrade offers something more than
> the above, this would be a deal killer.
>
> Thanks to anyone who can answer.
>
> Joe
>
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[jtainter]

I doubt if I'll ever need ISO 819,200 and I will probably never use pixel 
shift. Is there any other reason to take up this offer?

Also, if I get this new motherboard, will I have to do focus testing again on 
all of my (many) lenses? Unless the upgrade offers something more than the 
above, this would be a deal killer.

Thanks to anyone who can answer.

Joe



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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Larry Colen]

I'm very impressed by their offering this. I'll wait and see how well it 
works for other people, and if I have the money, I'll consider it.


Stanley Halpin wrote:

OK, so I was wrong. Maybe I do need to move on from K-1…
Good move by Ricoh. Hopefully Precision is up to the task.

stan


On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Bill  wrote:

This is cool.
Get your present K1 upgraded to the K1II camera. I don't think I've ever seen a 
manufacturer do this before.

https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/news/68-upgrade-pentax-k1

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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Stanley Halpin]

OK, so I was wrong. Maybe I do need to move on from K-1…
Good move by Ricoh. Hopefully Precision is up to the task.

stan

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> This is cool.
> Get your present K1 upgraded to the K1II camera. I don't think I've ever seen 
> a manufacturer do this before.
> 
> https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/news/68-upgrade-pentax-k1
> 
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[Igor PDML-StR]

That's cool but...
... they write faster than they think:
"Additionally the current SR logo on the PENTAX K-1 MKII will be replaced 
with the new PENTAX K-1 MKII logo."

Huh?

Igor


Bill Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:41:26 -0800 wrote:


This is cool.
Get your present K1 upgraded to the K1II camera. I don't think I've ever
seen a manufacturer do this before.

https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/news/68-upgrade-pentax-k1


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Re: Ricoh announces an upgrade service for current PENTAX K-1 consumers

[Paul Stenquist]

Could be a good deal if the turnaround is quick. I could use my K3 in the 
interim, but I wouldn’t want to be without the K1 for a month or more.

Paul

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Bill wrote:
> 
>> This is cool.
>> Get your present K1 upgraded to the K1II camera. I don't think I've ever 
>> seen a manufacturer do this before.
>> 
>> https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/news/68-upgrade-pentax-k1
> 
> Wow. This kind of thing is *long* overdue. Kudos to Pentax for being
> the first.
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[Mark Roberts]

Bill wrote:

>This is cool.
>Get your present K1 upgraded to the K1II camera. I don't think I've ever 
>seen a manufacturer do this before.
>
>https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/news/68-upgrade-pentax-k1

Wow. This kind of thing is *long* overdue. Kudos to Pentax for being
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