Re: Where is everyone?

[P.J. Alling]

Forget it Bob, it's the internet.

On 3/23/2015 12:10 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT!
WHO'S A RAVING LUNATIC.


On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Tom Reese  wrote:

it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the
worst in those with personality disorders. These people seem normal
(based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose)
but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:

Quoting Bob Sullivan :


I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website.
There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and
many flame wars,
which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases.  Bill Robb
became a special
friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks.



I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the other
fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the last true
troll on the list.  I recall some memorable exchanges between him and Bill
Robb.


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bob Sullivan]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT!
WHO'S A RAVING LUNATIC.


On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Tom Reese  wrote:
> it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the
> worst in those with personality disorders. These people seem normal
> (based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose)
> but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard.
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Brian Walters  
> wrote:
>> Quoting Bob Sullivan :
>>
>>> I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website.
>>> There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and
>>> many flame wars,
>>> which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases.  Bill Robb
>>> became a special
>>> friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the other
>> fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the last true
>> troll on the list.  I recall some memorable exchanges between him and Bill
>> Robb.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bill]

On 22/03/2015 4:27 PM, Tom Reese wrote:

it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the
worst in those with personality disorders. These people seem normal
(based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose)
but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard.


I resemble that remark.

bill


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Re: Where is everyone?

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Tom Reese  wrote:
> it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the
> worst in those with personality disorders.
And Canadians, its maple syrup season people.

Dave


These people seem normal
> (based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose)
> but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard.
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Brian Walters  
> wrote:
>> Quoting Bob Sullivan :
>>
>>> I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website.
>>> There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and
>>> many flame wars,
>>> which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases.  Bill Robb
>>> became a special
>>> friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the other
>> fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the last true
>> troll on the list.  I recall some memorable exchanges between him and Bill
>> Robb.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Tom Reese]

it's interesting how these internet forums and anonymity bring out the
worst in those with personality disorders. These people seem normal
(based on the fact that they're apparently still running around loose)
but they turn into raving lunatics when they get behind a keyboard.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Quoting Bob Sullivan :
>
>> I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website.
>> There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and
>> many flame wars,
>> which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases.  Bill Robb
>> became a special
>> friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks.
>
>
>
> I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the other
> fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the last true
> troll on the list.  I recall some memorable exchanges between him and Bill
> Robb.
>
>
> --
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
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>
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Bob Sullivan :


I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website.
There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and
many flame wars,
which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases.  Bill Robb
became a special
friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks.



I think I arrived a bit too late to have experienced the who and the  
other fruitcakes. One I do remember was Antonio who was probably the  
last true troll on the list.  I recall some memorable exchanges  
between him and Bill Robb.



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RE: Where is everyone?

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan
> Sent: 22 March 2015 16:05
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
> 
> I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website.
> There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) [...]

I remain convinced that the Who was not a human being but some PhD student's
doctoral work in AI. (Obviously without the I).

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bob Sullivan]

I stumbled into the pdml, probably thru the Pentax website.
There was some overlap with 'the who' (who I never understood) and
many flame wars,
which I participated in and even prolonged in many cases.  Bill Robb
became a special
friend as he refused to suffer fools in silence, or intolerant remarks.

But it was a friendly place where folks answered my dumb questions and
knew Pentax cameras.
I found the PUG was a monthly challenge to improve my photography and
think we need more of it.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
>>>
>>> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
>>> (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)
>
> I don't recall the exact year, but I was around for Shel, and "The Who". 
> Probably read something on UseNet in one of the photo gathering spots. My 
> memory banks are not as nimble as they once were, especially for people's 
> names, for which I apologize.
>
> The years have been interesting on PDML. I learned a lot by asking questions. 
> Even more by viewing the interesting panorama of presented photographs. I 
> have often wished I was with each of you in your travels, seeing, and 
> capturing my own flavor of the same menu.
>
> PDML FOREVER ! !
>
>
>
>
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Joseph McAllister]

>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts
>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
>> 
>> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
>> (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I don't recall the exact year, but I was around for Shel, and "The Who". 
Probably read something on UseNet in one of the photo gathering spots. My 
memory banks are not as nimble as they once were, especially for people's 
names, for which I apologize.

The years have been interesting on PDML. I learned a lot by asking questions. 
Even more by viewing the interesting panorama of presented photographs. I have 
often wished I was with each of you in your travels, seeing, and capturing my 
own flavor of the same menu.

PDML FOREVER ! !






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Re: Where is everyone?

[Otis C. Wright, Jr.]

I  found the PDML via a Pentax site search in the early 90s. Always 
enjoyed the flame wars---some of them anyway, but never enough time to 
read all the messages back then.


Stated with Kodak brownies in grade school.  Graduated to an Argus C3 in 
High School.   Picked up a Petri () in college.  In 1968, when my 
career started taking me to many foreign destinations, I picked up a 
Spotmatic along at 28mm and 135mm lens.  In 1974, I picked up a 
Spotmatic F (which I still have, its been "rebuilt" a couple times) no 
change in lenses.   In the 90s, I picked up a 300mm and 100mm Macro, 
some other odds and ends, and a couple of ESIIs on ebay while the F was 
in the hospital, which I'll probably give away one of these days.


I went digital early in the 2000s with a Coolpix 990 followed by a 5000, 
two 8400s and finally a 7700.  Still have all but the 5000, which wore 
out.I found that the small size and reasonable price of these fit 
well into the field work environment I used them for---need for mobility 
made it hard to carry a large bag of equipment, leaving anything 
unattended risked damage and/or theft. I also found that I very much  
like the Nikon Speedlight flash system.  I currently have a couple of 
SB800s.


Am currently toying with the idea of picking up a K3 for existing light 
work and to possible get to use a few of my old Pentax lenses again.  
Drawback is size, need to go to a new flash system, and much less field 
work where I really needed better existing light capability.


Otis Wright

On 3/19/2015 10:41 AM, Alan C wrote:
I found the PDML via Bojidar Dimitrov's k-mount pages. He gives a 
glowing recommendation.


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:53 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.




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Re: Where is everyone?

[Toralf Lund]

On 21/03/15 14:56, Christine Aguila wrote:

On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Toralf Lund  wrote:

On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote:

I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in
1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive
trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times
after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran
into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been
attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details.

I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?

#I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain #characters 
#a #lot.


I have hashtag allergies!  Cheers, Christine

So do I, really. Made myself slightly ill, there. Still trying to recover:-)

- Toralf







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Re: Where is everyone?

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 3/21/2015 09:45, Christine Aguila wrote:



On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:


The PDML may not be as active as it used to be, but it still is a wonderful 
place and let's all hope it is here to stay for a long time.

Ralf



I just did five cartwheels

 and a reverse triple twist pointy toe back
 flip in agreement with Ralf!  Cheers, Christine

a, -virtual- reality is wonderful :-)

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Attila Boros]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:

> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?

Strange of you to ask :) I was searching on the interwebs and found
this page with some useful links:
http://www.robertstech.com/pentax.htm

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Attila Boros]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:

> So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
> posts is down by 3/4.

Interesting statistics, it would seem the remaining members are trying
to make up for it.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[John]

Google buying the archive didn't kill UseNet, but combining it with
Gmail & their own non-Usenet Google Groups didn't help. I think what may
have really done it was the difficulty of creating a killfile that would
work with the web interface.

It was my own ISP's decision to no longer provide newsgroup access that
did it for me.

On 3/20/2015 5:11 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote:

Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive
and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut
down their news servers.


Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it
someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the
most-used interface to it these days

in the early days (pre-web) access to nntp content was a given, and then
in the middle years my ISPs had solid nntp servers, but these days it
looks like it is pay to play if you want to avoid google

i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are
missing, and felt no desire to stick around ;?>







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Re: Where is everyone?

[Christine Aguila]

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> 
> It's the Hotel California of mail lists. All we need to do is wave the warm 
> smell of Colitas and the promise of a dark desert highway in front of them 
> and they will see our shimmering light.
> And then, they are ours.



Definitely on the MARKish side!  Cheers, Christine
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Christine Aguila]

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Toralf Lund  wrote:
> 
> On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote:
>> I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in
>> 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive
>> trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times
>> after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran
>> into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been
>> attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details.
>> 
>> I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
>> provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?
> #I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain 
> #characters #a #lot.
> 

I have hashtag allergies!  Cheers, Christine


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Christine Aguila]

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> 
> The PDML may not be as active as it used to be, but it still is a wonderful 
> place and let's all hope it is here to stay for a long time.
> 
> Ralf


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Christine Aguila]

I must have heard about it on the Pentax web site—or maybe I did a search and 
found it—not sure exactly.  I probably subscripted around late 2007 or early 
2008, but I lurked for a bit.  I might have started participating in late 
2008ish.  

I just did a search:  pentax cameras, pentax forums, pentax, pentax users, and, 
lastly, pentax discussion.  The only search term that came up with PDML was 
pentax discussion.

I did learn about a Pentax museum in Japan!

http://www.filmwasters.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=aev3gumfq333m40gd02thsjs14&topic=1849.msg16045#msg16045


Cheers, Christine





> On Mar 19, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
> (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)
> 
> I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
> way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
> how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
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RE: Where is everyone?

[Malcolm Smith]

Steve Harley wrote:

> it's not private, it's just that the archives are not well-positioned
> for search engines, but i get hits on them sometimes
> 
> 
> 
> and there is also a non-official archive:
> 
> 

...and I wonder what they then think? The PDML is like a manned mission to
the Sun.

Malcolm


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Mark Roberts :


Brian Walters wrote:


There is an info page of sorts - the PDML FAQ.

It was put together originally by Graywolf and updated by Scott when
he was PUGmeister. I sort of inherited it when I took over the PUG.  I
tinkered with it a bit and used to post the link from time to time but
I've omitted to do so for a few years.

Anyway, here it is:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html


Also, tangentially related, is the Hitchhiker's Guide to the
Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend:
http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=58




Link added to the FAQ under the GFM acronym.


Cheers

Brian

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RE: Where is everyone?

[John Coyle]

Bob Blakeley is still around - his Facebook page showed his birthday was on 
March 11.  He is now
retired.

John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 10:02 AM
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On 19/03/2015 6:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
> (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)
>
> I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site, 
> way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering 
> how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
>
>

Through the Pentax USA website, sometime in 1998.
What ever became of Bob Blakely?


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Paul Stenquist]

Paul via phone

> On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:48 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>> steve harley wrote:
>> 
 On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote:
 Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive
 and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut
 down their news servers.
>>> 
>>> Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it
>>> someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the most-used
>>> interface to it these days
>> 
>> Yep. The old web archiving service was called DejaNews. Google bought
>> them out and then was even more lax than DejaNews in enforcing their
>> TOS. This predictably led to even more trolling and other abuse, which
>> is probably exactly wanted to drive traffic away from Usenet and
>> toward web sites. Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway, but
>> Google certainly helped it happen faster and to a greater extent.
>> 
>>> i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are missing,
>>> and felt no desire to stick around ;?>
>> 
>> You're a brave man. ;-)
> 
> I still have a usefilm account
> 
> Dave

Ditto. But I'm not sure what my password might be.
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Just glanced at this thread. There are 98 posts in it. Whew!
Now I know where everyone is: sitting at their computers, smart phones, or 
tablets… 

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Re: Where is everyone?

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:18 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> On 20 March 2015 at 22:16, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:12 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
>>> On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling  wrote:
 On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote:
>
> On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> Mark C wrote:
>>
>>> I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a
>>> memorable character.
>>
>>
>> I'd say "buying" an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it
>> goes a bit beyond "memorable".
>
>
> Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we?
>
> bill
>
>
 I never realized he /never/ paid you.  If I'd known I'd have thought a lot
 less of him.
>>>
>>> Not his only offence, unfortunately.  Me being particularly stupid, I
>>> was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect.
>>> And no, you can't sell me a bridge.
>>
>> What about rent a bridge
>
> Tell me more.

I will but it spans a few storys

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Stanley Halpin]

On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:12 PM, mike wilson  wrote:

> On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling  wrote:
>> On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Mark C wrote:
 
> I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a
> memorable character.
 
 
 I'd say "buying" an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it
 goes a bit beyond "memorable".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we?
>>> 
>>> bill
>>> 
>>> 
>> I never realized he /never/ paid you.  If I'd known I'd have thought a lot
>> less of him.
> 
> Not his only offence, unfortunately.  Me being particularly stupid, I
> was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect.
> And no, you can't sell me a bridge.
> 
For me, just once. He bought an LX from me, then claimed it wasn’t working. [He 
claimed the film advance was not working properly.] I should have had him just 
send it back but I gave him 50% off even though I knew that it had been working 
when I sent it and the packaging had been beyond careful. But I didn’t want to 
go through the selling process again and let him get away with it. 
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Re: Where is everyone?

[mike wilson]

On 20 March 2015 at 22:16, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:12 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
>> On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling  wrote:
>>> On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote:

 On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> Mark C wrote:
>
>> I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a
>> memorable character.
>
>
> I'd say "buying" an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it
> goes a bit beyond "memorable".


 Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we?

 bill


>>> I never realized he /never/ paid you.  If I'd known I'd have thought a lot
>>> less of him.
>>
>> Not his only offence, unfortunately.  Me being particularly stupid, I
>> was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect.
>> And no, you can't sell me a bridge.
>
> What about rent a bridge

Tell me more.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:12 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling  wrote:
>> On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Mark C wrote:

> I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a
> memorable character.


 I'd say "buying" an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it
 goes a bit beyond "memorable".
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we?
>>>
>>> bill
>>>
>>>
>> I never realized he /never/ paid you.  If I'd known I'd have thought a lot
>> less of him.
>
> Not his only offence, unfortunately.  Me being particularly stupid, I
> was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect.
> And no, you can't sell me a bridge.

What about rent a bridge

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Re: Where is everyone?

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:03 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> On 19 March 2015 at 23:42, Bill  wrote:
>> On 19/03/2015 6:12 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>
>>> Seriously if I hung out regularly at any of the other Pentax fora or for
>>> that matter Nikon or Canon groups I'd have invented a way to teleport
>>> bombs through the internet by now.
>>
>>
>> That's a Mark.
>
> There seems to be about two years' worth of reMARK!able comments in this 
> thread.
>
> I'm another joiner from the Pentax USA days.  Can only think of four
> (maybe five) present day contributors who were here when I started.
> I'm not too bothered about active recruitment - I would prefer to meet
> those who actively search and join, as I did.

I met Cotty, be careful of what your request, :-)

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Re: Where is everyone?

[mike wilson]

On 20 March 2015 at 15:44, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark C wrote:
>>>
 I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a
 memorable character.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd say "buying" an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it
>>> goes a bit beyond "memorable".
>>
>>
>> Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we?
>>
>> bill
>>
>>
> I never realized he /never/ paid you.  If I'd known I'd have thought a lot
> less of him.

Not his only offence, unfortunately.  Me being particularly stupid, I
was stung twice - albeit for substantially less, I suspect.
And no, you can't sell me a bridge.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[mike wilson]

On 19 March 2015 at 23:42, Bill  wrote:
> On 19/03/2015 6:12 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>
>> Seriously if I hung out regularly at any of the other Pentax fora or for
>> that matter Nikon or Canon groups I'd have invented a way to teleport
>> bombs through the internet by now.
>
>
> That's a Mark.

There seems to be about two years' worth of reMARK!able comments in this thread.

I'm another joiner from the Pentax USA days.  Can only think of four
(maybe five) present day contributors who were here when I started.
I'm not too bothered about active recruitment - I would prefer to meet
those who actively search and join, as I did.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> steve harley wrote:
>
>>On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote:
>>> Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive
>>> and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut
>>> down their news servers.
>>
>>Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it
>>someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the most-used
>>interface to it these days
>
> Yep. The old web archiving service was called DejaNews. Google bought
> them out and then was even more lax than DejaNews in enforcing their
> TOS. This predictably led to even more trolling and other abuse, which
> is probably exactly wanted to drive traffic away from Usenet and
> toward web sites. Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway, but
> Google certainly helped it happen faster and to a greater extent.
>
>>i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are missing,
>>and felt no desire to stick around ;?>
>
> You're a brave man. ;-)

I still have a usefilm account

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Mark Roberts]

steve harley wrote:

>On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote:
>> Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive
>> and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut
>> down their news servers.
>
>Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it 
>someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the most-used 
>interface to it these days

Yep. The old web archiving service was called DejaNews. Google bought
them out and then was even more lax than DejaNews in enforcing their
TOS. This predictably led to even more trolling and other abuse, which
is probably exactly wanted to drive traffic away from Usenet and
toward web sites. Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway, but
Google certainly helped it happen faster and to a greater extent.

>i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are missing, 
>and felt no desire to stick around ;?>

You're a brave man. ;-)
 
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Re: Where is everyone?

[steve harley]

On 2015-03-20 14:23 , John wrote:

Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive
and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut
down their news servers.


Google bought the archive (which means they will probably delete it 
someday), but doesn't control Usenet, just provides probably the most-used 
interface to it these days


in the early days (pre-web) access to nntp content was a given, and then in 
the middle years my ISPs had solid nntp servers, but these days it looks 
like it is pay to play if you want to avoid google


i just took a peek into rec.photo.digital and to see what we are missing, 
and felt no desire to stick around ;?>






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Re: Where is everyone?

[John]

Most email clients seem to default to a HTML/MIME interface now-a-days,
and people coming to the internet lately don't even know about plain text.

The PDML's plain text requirement may pose problems for such Know
Nothing Newcomers.

I prefer plain text, but it's getting increasingly difficult to get
others to use it when sending me emails. Now-a-days I get a lot email
that just consists of a message telling me I don't have my email client
configured correctly & a link to some site where I'm supposedly able to
read the email in a browser.

Pretty much I just delete them. If they're that stupid, they don't
really have anything I want to hear about anyway.

If I wanted to read emails in a browser, I'd be using web-mail. PDML's
plain text only format suits me just fine.


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I think I found it in 1997, probably by doing a search for Pentax information 
on the Web - whether
it was Google or not I can't now remember.
I stay with the group because:
I am still a self-confessed fan boy.
This group can answer more questions and provide more real-world 
guidance than any other
group I have come across.
I've owned and used Pentax cameras almost exclusively for 47 years 
(OMG!!), and probably
always will.

I like the plain text, it's easy, and there is no chance of some pest slipping 
in malware via HTML:
I like too the fact that I can choose which messages to retain, and just delete 
the rest.  On
another photo group Facebook hosted, the messages just accumulate, seemingly 
forever.

I've only physically met a couple of other PDML-ers (living in Australia it 
tends to be hard to meet
up with others), but I feel I know most of the people in this group reasonably 
well from their input
over the years.


Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)





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Re: Where is everyone?

[John]

On 3/19/2015 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.


I used to participate in UseNet discussions on
"rec.photo.equipment.35mm" (among others).

Some time in (I believe) late 2006 Google bought out the UseNet Archive
and my ISP (Time-Warner Roadrunner) announced they were going to shut
down their news servers.

The Google Groups interface just didn't work for me, so I was looking for
an alternative. I don't remember how I found out about mailing lists, but I
do remember that once I did I already knew there was one for Pentax.

So I Googled for it & found PDML.


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Re: Where is everyone?

[P.J. Alling]

On 3/20/2015 8:37 AM, Bill wrote:

On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a
memorable character.


I'd say "buying" an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it
goes a bit beyond "memorable".


Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall 
we?


bill


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Re: Where is everyone?

[P.J. Alling]

On 3/20/2015 8:53 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 20/3/15, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:


"Brad Bobo" (am I getting that name right?)

Dobo.

I like Bobo better though

It's not nice to make fun of the clinically insane, not that I wouldn't 
do it.


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Re: Where is everyone?

[steve harley]

On 2015-03-19 17:41 , Bill wrote:

Because it's a private email list, I suspect we would have to involve Doug
and see if we can get ourselves on some search engines.


it's not private, it's just that the archives are not well-positioned for 
search engines, but i get hits on them sometimes




and there is also a non-official archive:




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Re: Where is everyone?

[Mark C]

On 3/20/2015 8:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a
memorable character.

I'd say "buying" an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it
goes a bit beyond "memorable".
I was off list for a year or two in the early aughts and missed that 
particular battle. I'm sure I would have recalled it if it played out in 
the list.



There were others, much much worse, whoo shall not be named...

Oh come on, let's name them!

I think I joined the PDML just after the character who called himself
"The Who" left. I got to see a little of the wreckage he left in his
wake.

I recall him as Whoo with two o's but I'd rather not recall him at all.

Suda Mafud/Kirkland Ramsey/M.T. Green was one of the least offensive
(and longest lasting) oddballs we had.
I forgot about Mafud. And then there was the nice guy Valentin who 
transformed into Caveman and sorta went off the rails.


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Re: Where is everyone?

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Mark C wrote:
>
 Then Norm revealed his true
> identity and collapsed in a fit of laughter. (Later, some time around
> 1:00 in the morning, we phoned up Cotty to say hello... and "ni!")

I think it was closer to 2 am.:-) and yes it was brad Dobo. I had fear
in my heart for a while after distributing Dario's Pentax poster one
year. I mailed his to Brads home and in a moment of stupidity attached
my return address. I seated that for month. ans he only lived a few
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 20/3/15, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

> "Brad Bobo" (am I getting that name right?) 

Dobo.

I like Bobo better though

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bill]

On 20/03/2015 6:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a
memorable character.


I'd say "buying" an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it
goes a bit beyond "memorable".


Yeah, lets just open that fukkin wound and soak it in salt water shall we?

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Mark Roberts]

Mark C wrote:

>I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a 
>memorable character. 

I'd say "buying" an FA 77 Limited from Bill Robb and not paying for it
goes a bit beyond "memorable".

>There were others, much much worse, whoo shall not be named...

Oh come on, let's name them!

I think I joined the PDML just after the character who called himself
"The Who" left. I got to see a little of the wreckage he left in his
wake.

Suda Mafud/Kirkland Ramsey/M.T. Green was one of the least offensive
(and longest lasting) oddballs we had. Most amusing when he posted as
one identity when accidentally using the email address of another
(Doug Brewer tells me he signed onto the list under several more
aliases, albeit briefly). He was one of the characters suited to a
text-only medium because he didn't want anyone to see what his
photography looked like. He hated digital on principle (though what
principle was never clear) and kind of faded away when the web and
digital got so widespread and inexpensive that he couldn't think up
any plausible excuses for not showing his photography to anyone.

I think it was "Brad Bobo" (am I getting that name right?) who set a
kind of benchmark for offensiveness. One year at Grandfather Mountain
we got a (very welcome) surprise visit from one-time PDML regular Norm
Baugher. When Tom Van Veen (another PDML stalwart who's no longer on
the list) approached him Norm stuck out his hand and introduced
himself as Brad Dobo, causing Tom to literally step back and prepare
for a possible fist fight. Really. Then Norm revealed his true
identity and collapsed in a fit of laughter. (Later, some time around
1:00 in the morning, we phoned up Cotty to say hello... and "ni!")

 
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[Mark Roberts]

Brian Walters wrote:

>There is an info page of sorts - the PDML FAQ.
>
>It was put together originally by Graywolf and updated by Scott when  
>he was PUGmeister. I sort of inherited it when I took over the PUG.  I  
>tinkered with it a bit and used to post the link from time to time but  
>I've omitted to do so for a few years.
>
>Anyway, here it is:
>
>http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html

Also, tangentially related, is the Hitchhiker's Guide to the
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Jan van Wijk]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 21:15:46 +0100 Toralf Lund wrote:
>
>On 19/03/15 14:27, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)
>Thought I hadn't been here *that* long, but I think I know.

I remember Shel too, joined in the late nineties, still using film (MX and LX).
Later I went digital with the original *istD, and also got a 67II for film.

I assisted Bill Robb with getting the PUG up every month, for a year or two,
and started contributing to the PUG again a few years back ...

Don't post much to the PDML, but read most of it :)

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Yolanda Rowe]

I found PDML in fall 2004. After two years of dealing with the
frustrations of a digital P&S, I started my search. The catalogs were
filled with digiR*b*l information. I was leaning in that direction
because it's what was readily available. I decided to check to see if
Pentax had an offering. The *istDS was the latest, but the *istD was
still being sold. I was glad to see that I wouldn't have to change
systems to get into serious digital.

Ordered my first DSLR from B&H in November 2004 and have never looked
back. My CBA is almost as bad as my LBA.

I do more lurking than posting, but this list has provided lots of
information and entertainment in the past 10.5 years.

Cheers to many more years.

Yonnie


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:36 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>
>> Man you mentioning Who and Bill mentioning Mafud brings back memories
>> that had been successfully suppressed.  Alas, I may not sleep too well
>> tonight.
>
> The PDML is a far less volatile place than it once was. I used to wake up,
> switch on the dial up internet connection and gaze into the battlefield of
> postings where stands were taken, lines were crossed and some downright
> astonishing things were said. Many members fell in these wars. Of course,
> the greatest of them all created an alter ego to argue with himself.
>
> Whack jobs aren't what they used to be.
>
> Malcolm
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[Malcolm Smith]

Bruce wrote:
 
> Man you mentioning Who and Bill mentioning Mafud brings back memories
> that had been successfully suppressed.  Alas, I may not sleep too well
> tonight.

The PDML is a far less volatile place than it once was. I used to wake up,
switch on the dial up internet connection and gaze into the battlefield of
postings where stands were taken, lines were crossed and some downright
astonishing things were said. Many members fell in these wars. Of course,
the greatest of them all created an alter ego to argue with himself.

Whack jobs aren't what they used to be. 

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Steve Cottrell :


On 20/3/15, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:


Anyway, here it is:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.htm


If anyone cares to update the link in 'Cotty's Hat' section, here you go:






Anyone?  That would be me

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[Bruce]

Man you mentioning Who and Bill mentioning Mafud brings back memories that had 
been successfully suppressed.  Alas, I may not sleep too well tonight. 

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On March 19, 2015 8:13:32 PM PDT, Mark C  wrote:
>You mention of Shel and meals in the same sentence... He once said 
>(paraphrasing from memory here) - "When you eat an excellent meal do
>you 
>ask the chef what kind of pots and pans he used to  cook it? Why then
>do 
>you ask photographers what camera and lens they used to make a photo?"
>I 
>often think of that line, to this day..
>
>I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a 
>memorable character. There were others, much much worse, whoo shall not
>
>be named...
>
>Mark
>
>On 3/19/2015 11:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> I had several meals with Shel over the time he spent on the list.  I
>can certainly relate to the statement.  He was a 'unique' character. 
>Very agreeable as long as you saw things his way...
>>
>> --
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> On March 19, 2015 6:27:49 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist
> wrote:
>>> Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)
>>>
>>> Paul via phone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
>>>> lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
>>>> I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for
>post
>>>> process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one
>of
>>>> their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things
>like
>>> i
>>>> usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
>>>> would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
>>>> lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like,
>>> so
>>>> i pretty much gave that place up.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis 
>>> wrote:
>>>>> The general relationship with the digital age has become more
>>> routine.
>>>>> Interest peaks have flattened.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Brian Walters" 
>>>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings. 
>The
>>>>> web-based DP Review & Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
>>>>> looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
>>>>> Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
>>>>> wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings
>>> except
>>>>> when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
>>>>> familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
>>>>> Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all,
>was
>>>>> well down the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> ++
>>>>> Brian Walters
>>>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Rick Womer :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down.
>So,
>>>>>> being off this week and having some spare time, I did some
>research
>>> in
>>>>>> the archives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
>>>>>> In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
>>>>>> In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
>>>>>> In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
>>>>>> In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
>>>>>> In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, i

Re: Where is everyone?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 20/3/15, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Anyway, here it is:
>
>http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.htm

If anyone cares to update the link in 'Cotty's Hat' section, here you go:



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Re: Where is everyone?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Tom Reese :


to reduce the slide:

remember that rudeness turns people off (not aimed at anyone at all -
a general observation from many forums over many years)
try to help when people ask for it
people participate because the list is informative, entertaining and
it provides social interaction - any others?
no one likes to be ignored - everyone needs to be acknowledged once  
in a while


to increase the profile: put it out there on the social media sites.
Not changing the format of the list but adding a pdml information page
with the stuff necessary to make sure it pops in searches.  Add
keywords like "photography" "Pentax" and various related subjects.




There is an info page of sorts - the PDML FAQ.

It was put together originally by Graywolf and updated by Scott when  
he was PUGmeister. I sort of inherited it when I took over the PUG.  I  
tinkered with it a bit and used to post the link from time to time but  
I've omitted to do so for a few years.


Anyway, here it is:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/mini-faq.html




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Re: Where is everyone?

[Mark C]

I stumbled into the PDML from the official Pentax website as well. The 
first post I read was by the now keeper of the list regarding shooting 
an alligator That was a while ago.


On 3/19/2015 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
  



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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bill]

On 18/03/2015 8:03 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in
the archives.

In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.

So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
posts is down by 3/4.


Heck, I bet when Bruce R. and Pseudo Mafud were posting we'd be getting 
in a day what we now get in a month,


There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently,
from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn
around this decline.


Because it's a private email list, I suspect we would have to involve 
Doug and see if we can get ourselves on some search engines.


How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members?

Rick

It's the Hotel California of mail lists. All we need to do is wave the 
warm smell of Colitas and the promise of a dark desert highway in front 
of them and they will see our shimmering light.

And then, they are ours.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bill]

On 19/03/2015 6:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.




Through the Pentax USA website, sometime in 1998.
What ever became of Bob Blakely?


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Mark C]

You mention of Shel and meals in the same sentence... He once said 
(paraphrasing from memory here) - "When you eat an excellent meal do you 
ask the chef what kind of pots and pans he used to  cook it? Why then do 
you ask photographers what camera and lens they used to make a photo?" I 
often think of that line, to this day..


I sparred with Shel a few times but never felt offended - he was a 
memorable character. There were others, much much worse, whoo shall not 
be named...


Mark

On 3/19/2015 11:36 AM, Bruce wrote:

I had several meals with Shel over the time he spent on the list.  I can 
certainly relate to the statement.  He was a 'unique' character.  Very 
agreeable as long as you saw things his way...

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On March 19, 2015 6:27:49 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:

Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)

Paul via phone


On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks 

wrote:

I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post
process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of
their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like

i

usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like,

so

i pretty much gave that place up.

Dave


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis 

wrote:

The general relationship with the digital age has become more

routine.

Interest peaks have flattened.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Walters" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?

I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings.  The
web-based DP Review & Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings

except

when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.

I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was
well down the list.



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Quoting Rick Womer :


Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research

in

the archives.

In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.

So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number

of

posts is down by 3/4.

There is more competition than there used to be (especially,

recently,

from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to

turn

around this decline.

How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing

members?




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Re: Where is everyone?

[Subash Jeyan]

On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 22:03:42 -0400
Rick Womer  wrote:

> How do we keep both new and existing members?

i joined sometime late 2006 when i had got myself a k50/1.2 without
having a pentax camera and googled for info about the lens and came
upon pdml archives. 

well, one difference between then and now is that the list seems to have
become a lot more sanitised in recent years (the kind of, err,
interactions that used to happen between Bill and JCO or instance don't
happen anymore). not sure whether that's good or bad but it certainly
made for interesting reading then.

i very rarely post here because i've hardly touched my camera in two
years. but am still here. not really sure why.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bruce Walker]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> I was never much of a gear head, and I'm even less so now, so gear
>> chat generally bores me. My chief reason for hanging out in any
>> "photography forum" is images; both viewing and sharing. Unhappily, my
>> tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore.
>
> I've been enjoying your recent work, and have been very interested in how
> you go about it, since it intersects very closely with a lot of the stuff
> I'm working on.  I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to decide
> whether or not sharing photographic interests with me is a good thing.

Appreciated, Larry. It doesn't concern me that we share photographic
interests. Perhaps it should? ;)

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RE: Where is everyone?

[John Coyle]

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 8:05 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?

I think I found it in 1997, probably by doing a search for Pentax information 
on the Web - whether
it was Google or not I can't now remember.
I stay with the group because:
I am still a self-confessed fan boy.
This group can answer more questions and provide more real-world 
guidance than any other
group I have come across.
I've owned and used Pentax cameras almost exclusively for 47 years 
(OMG!!), and probably
always will.

I like the plain text, it's easy, and there is no chance of some pest slipping 
in malware via HTML:
I like too the fact that I can choose which messages to retain, and just delete 
the rest.  On
another photo group Facebook hosted, the messages just accumulate, seemingly 
forever.

I've only physically met a couple of other PDML-ers (living in Australia it 
tends to be hard to meet
up with others), but I feel I know most of the people in this group reasonably 
well from their input
over the years.


Mark Roberts wrote:
> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
> (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bruce Walker]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:
>
> On Mar 19, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
>> ... Unhappily, my
>> tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore…
>>
>
> OK, so I mostly do Nature and Scenic shots, with Wildlife thrown in. 
> Sometimes the shapes and forms are my focus, sometimes it is the vibrant 
> colors on the trees. Sometimes the trees have no leaves. You do Nature and 
> Scenic shots, with wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are 
> your focus, sometimes the vibrant colors of the accessories. Sometimes your 
> “trees" have no leaves. It seems to me that our tastes are very similar.
>
> Seriously, I think this is one of the aspects that I really enjoy about PDML. 
> I am not likely to follow you or Bill into the studio. I am not likely to 
> follow Larry or Igor onto the dance floor. I am not likely to follow Rob or 
> Dario onto stage. But I do enjoy and believe I learn something from the 
> challenges you face and the steps you take to overcome those challenges. If 
> PDML was all about birds or Nature photography it would be rather boring.

Very well put, Stan!  I'm glad you put it that way. I hang around and
post the odd thing assuming that somebody will find it interesting.
But it seems like a pretty one-sided conversation much of the time,
and I've been seeking encouragement elsewhere.

And quite so: at the root of it I'm looking for form, texture, line,
colour, ... just like most of the rest of us. Those who aren't just
looking for gear anyway. ;)

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bill]

On 19/03/2015 6:12 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:


Seriously if I hung out regularly at any of the other Pentax fora or for
that matter Nikon or Canon groups I'd have invented a way to teleport
bombs through the internet by now.


That's a Mark.


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bill]

On 19/03/2015 1:18 PM, wendy beard wrote:

I bet that's how I found the PDML too. Through Boz's page.

I've been on the list for at least 15 years, mostly lurking.
I have also met 3 PDMLers.


And you were very brave about it too.
The boy has settled down a lot, but he is still an ass with strangers.
I managed to put 3 points on him before he snapped in the ring and got 
really belligerent. I think the Special Bitch that was in the ring with 
us was in season, and poor little Bug didn't know what was going on.


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bill]

On 19/03/2015 8:44 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Yeah, I got a bit of Shel shock early on, but soon felt the warmth of some 
fellow posters.




Can everyone please just stop mentioning him?

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Larry Colen]

Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.


If the members of this list do a good job of showing off the PDML 
annual, and mentioning that the photos are done by the members of a very 
good online photo discussion forum, we might be able to both raise more 
money with the book, and possibly get a few new members.


I also suspect that with the changes from the Ricoh purchase, Pentax as 
a brand will gain a lot more visibility, particularly with the incipient 
full frame camera. It's one of those features that a lot of people seem 
to think that they need.






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Re: Where is everyone?

[Larry Colen]

Bruce Walker wrote:

I read about the PDML in Tim Bray's blog, back when he was a Pentax
user. It was summer 2007, and I had just bought (or was just about to
buy) my first DSLR, a K100D Super, and I could see that the level of
discourse here was smarter than dpreview et al.

I was never much of a gear head, and I'm even less so now, so gear
chat generally bores me. My chief reason for hanging out in any
"photography forum" is images; both viewing and sharing. Unhappily, my
tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore.


I've been enjoying your recent work, and have been very interested in 
how you go about it, since it intersects very closely with a lot of the 
stuff I'm working on.  I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to 
decide whether or not sharing photographic interests with me is a good 
thing.






On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts
  wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Mark Roberts]

Tom Reese wrote:

>to increase the profile: put it out there on the social media sites.
>Not changing the format of the list but adding a pdml information page
>with the stuff necessary to make sure it pops in searches.  Add
>keywords like "photography" "Pentax" and various related subjects.

I'm wary of getting too involved with "social media" but I do have a
Facebook page specifically for the PDML Photo Annual and it has a link
to the sign-up page. What I'll do is just make one post a week
featuring an image from one of the past editions of the book. We've
certainly accumulated enough outstanding images over the past seven
years! If enough people share the photos it might stir up some
interest.

I really find there are advantages to a text-only medium and I think
there are a lot of others who might come to the same conclusion if
they only knew such a thing existed.
 
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Stanley Halpin]

On Mar 19, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Toralf Lund  wrote:

> On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote:
>> I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in
>> 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive
>> trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times
>> after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran
>> into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been
>> attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details.
>> 
>> I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
>> provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?
> #I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain 
> #characters #a #lot.
> 
> - Toralf (#happy)
> 

#grin

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Toralf Lund]

On 19/03/15 14:39, Rick Womer wrote:

I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in
1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive
trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times
after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran
into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been
attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details.

I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?
#I #think #we #should #try #to #look #cooler #by #using #a #certain 
#characters #a #lot.


- Toralf (#happy)



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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)

Paul via phone


On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post
process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of
their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i
usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so
i pretty much gave that place up.

Dave


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine.
Interest peaks have flattened.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Walters" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?

I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings.  The
web-based DP Review & Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except
when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.

I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was
well down the list.



Cheers

Brian

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Quoting Rick Womer :


Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in
the archives.

In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.

So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
posts is down by 3/4.

There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently,
from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn
around this decline.

How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members?




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Re: Where is everyone?

[steve harley]

On 2015-03-19 13:14 , wendy beard wrote:

I’ve had difficulty posting for the longest time. 6 months or more -
even after I’d switched e-mail addresses for the list subscription. I
still can't post from Apple Mail - even with the format set to plain
text. It doesn't bounce back, just never appears.


i am a strong partisan for plain text, but this issue keeps coming along 
because email client defaults no longer obey KISS, so i'd suggest tweaking 
the mailman config to drop the HTML and just send through the plain text 
portion of an email, instead of dropping entire messages; here's the setting 
for that (third code block):




and in case it's useful, here's a method for converting HTML to text, for 
those really awful email clients that send no plain text part (it's based on 
mailman 3.x though):




i am not a mailman wizard, but i know enough to dig in if i can be of help

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Toralf Lund]

On 19/03/15 13:53, Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)
I've forgotten exactly where it was, but I saw it mentioned on some web 
forum, or possibly a Usenet group. This may not have been the first time 
I read about it, but I remember someone commenting that surely I was a 
member of the PDML, who knew so much - in response to an answer I posted 
to a question about some kind of Pentax gear (which I knew thanks to 
Boz's site.) I'm still not sure if the guy was sarcastic or not...


- T



I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
  



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Re: Where is everyone?

[steve harley]

On 2015-03-19 12:05 , Bruce Walker wrote:

I read about the PDML in Tim Bray's blog, back when he was a Pentax
user. It was summer 2007, and I had just bought (or was just about to
buy) my first DSLR, a K100D Super, and I could see that the level of
discourse here was smarter than dpreview et al.


oh, yes, there's a distinct possibility i found it the same way; been 
following ongoing for many years


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Tom Reese]

to reduce the slide:

remember that rudeness turns people off (not aimed at anyone at all -
a general observation from many forums over many years)
try to help when people ask for it
people participate because the list is informative, entertaining and
it provides social interaction - any others?
no one likes to be ignored - everyone needs to be acknowledged once in a while

to increase the profile: put it out there on the social media sites.
Not changing the format of the list but adding a pdml information page
with the stuff necessary to make sure it pops in searches.  Add
keywords like "photography" "Pentax" and various related subjects.

if this post makes it through then I'll try to add more thoughts as
they occur to me.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
>> provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?
>
>
> If we require all members to post 3 times a  a day we could get to the 2010
> monthly total !  ;+)!
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rick Womer" 
> Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
>
>
>> I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in
>> 1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive
>> trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times
>> after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran
>> into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been
>> attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details.
>>
>> I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
>> provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?
>>
>> Rick
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)
>>>
>>> Paul via phone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
>>>> lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
>>>> I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post
>>>> process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of
>>>> their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i
>>>> usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
>>>> would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
>>>> lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so
>>>> i pretty much gave that place up.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine.
>>>>> Interest peaks have flattened.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Brian Walters" 
>>>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings.  The
>>>>> web-based DP Review & Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
>>>>> looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
>>>>> Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
>>>>> wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except
>>>>> when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
>>>>> familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
>>>>> Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was
>>>>> well down the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> ++
>>>>> Brian Walters
>>>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Rick Womer :
>

Re: Where is everyone?

[steve harley]

On 2015-03-19 6:53 , Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)


i can't remember how i found it in 2009; somehow i had already somehow 
chosen to buy a K200D and i think i was exploring what lenses to get (i'd 
had a Powershot G3 for a few years, and before that i'd spent several years 
with a Canon Elan IIe and a Yashica T4 Super)


in the mid-90s i was on an "eos" mailing list; i was never big on web 
forums, but i believe i read rec.photo and/or rec.photo.digital at points; 
maybe i found pdml from one of them


i see exactly two mentions of "pdml" in the entire history of 
rec.photo.digital, but there are a bunch of mentions in 
rec.photo.equipment.35mm, most recent is 2007




  But I'm wondering
how*anyone*  would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.


if we *do* want to increase exposure and membership, perhaps a little SEO 
magic on the website would be in order; messages in the list archive come up 
for me fairly often in searches, but the pdml.net homepage is completely static


just putting a clip from a random post, or the results of a search for 
"Mark!", or something else dynamic would probably increase the page rank; 
i'm not qualified to dig deeply into SEO, but i bet someone else here is …


another quick SEO boost would be for all who have blogs to include a link to 
pdml.net (assuming it gets some links of its own) in a sidebar, or even blog 
about it


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Tom Reese]

 I don't remember how I found PDML It was a long time ago. It must have
been from a web search.

I unsubscribed quite a while ago when I quit taking pictures. Slide processing
got too expensive and I kept waiting for Pentax to offer a full frame
digital camera
but they never did. I finally packed up all my Pentax gear and took it to a KEH
buying event where I sold it all.

Not too long ago, I bought a full frame Canon digital camera and I
started shooting again. Susan and I are
thinking about going back to GFM this year.

I still despise the digital process.  My workflow is to shoot in
RAW, crop when needed and convert to jpg.
That's it. No levels, no sharpening, no anything.

It's very good to know that the PDML is still going. I'll contribute
when I can but there's not much I can offer.

Tom Reese

 sorry if this is a duplicate post the first one doesn't seem to
have reached the PDML post office.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
>> (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)
>>
>> I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
>> way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
>> how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
>>
>
> I found a local photographer meetup group and instigated a lunch time get
> together at a restaurant which it turns out was easy bicycling distance from
> both where I worked and where John Francis lives.  I had just recently
> gotten fed up with some nonsense on the dp review pentax forum and it was a
> pleasant breath of fresh air to find a group of photographers who generally
> knew their aperture from a hole in the ground.
>
> I also got some of the most constructive feedback on photos that I posted,
> and generally learned a lot reading feedback on other photos. Lately it
> seems as if the feedback being given is much gentler and a bit less
> informative.
>
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Toralf Lund]

On 19/03/15 14:27, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)

Thought I hadn't been here *that* long, but I think I know.

I don't seem to be contributing a lot these days, or taking a lot of 
photos. Not sure I have a good reason not to, but it seems like the days 
have started running faster than me lately.


I think I list like this is easily better than any web forum, but the 
way. In fact, I've more or less given up any web site where I have to 
create an account - which I'll forget I even have a few weeks later, if 
you know what I'm saying...


- Toralf



Paul via phone


On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post
process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of
their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i
usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so
i pretty much gave that place up.

Dave


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine.
Interest peaks have flattened.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Walters" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?

I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings.  The
web-based DP Review & Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except
when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.

I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was
well down the list.



Cheers

Brian

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Quoting Rick Womer :


Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in
the archives.

In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.

So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
posts is down by 3/4.

There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently,
from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn
around this decline.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Marco Alpert]

I think it was Google for me. I’d never owned a Pentax camera, but in early 
2005, while deciding what was to be my first DSLR, I met a friend of mine from 
Japan at a trade how and he’d just bought an *istDS and let me hold it and it 
just felt “right.” So I got one. I must have found the PDML pretty quickly 
after that, as within two weeks of receiving the camera I attended a PDML get 
together in San Jose and met quite a few of the local members. (I also spent a 
couple of interesting afternoons with Shel during his occasional visits to 
Santa Cruz.) 

The time I’ve had to dedicate to photography has varied wildly over the years. 
There have been periods when I turned off the list because the volume of 
traffic was overwhelming, but I always turned it on again when I got back to 
shooting. Hopefully once again on the upswing. 

- Marco



On Mar 19, 2015, at 5:53 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
> (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)
> 
> I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
> way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
> how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
> 
> -- 
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> www.robertstech.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Stanley Halpin]

On Mar 19, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> ... Unhappily, my
> tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore…
> 

OK, so I mostly do Nature and Scenic shots, with Wildlife thrown in. Sometimes 
the shapes and forms are my focus, sometimes it is the vibrant colors on the 
trees. Sometimes the trees have no leaves. You do Nature and Scenic shots, with 
wildlife thrown in. Sometimes the shapes and forms are your focus, sometimes 
the vibrant colors of the accessories. Sometimes your “trees" have no leaves. 
It seems to me that our tastes are very similar. 

Seriously, I think this is one of the aspects that I really enjoy about PDML. I 
am not likely to follow you or Bill into the studio. I am not likely to follow 
Larry or Igor onto the dance floor. I am not likely to follow Rob or Dario onto 
stage. But I do enjoy and believe I learn something from the challenges you 
face and the steps you take to overcome those challenges. If PDML was all about 
birds or Nature photography it would be rather boring.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Ken Waller]

I'm privileged to be able to take cat photos.


Ahem.

MARK !

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Subject: Re: Where is everyone?



On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Steve Sharpe  wrote:


I've been reduced to taking cat photos.


Your Auto-Correct must have been off ...


I'm privileged to be able to take cat photos.


That's better. :)

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[Ken Waller]

I've been reduced to taking cat photos.


Yo... MARK !

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Subject: Re: Where is everyone?






It’s been so cold the last few months I haven’t even wanted to go
outside, let alone take any photos


Same here. We're up to our eyeballs in snow here in Nova Scotia, too.

I've been reduced to taking cat photos.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bruce Walker]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Steve Sharpe  wrote:
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> I've been reduced to taking cat photos.

Your Auto-Correct must have been off ...

> I'm privileged to be able to take cat photos.

That's better. :)

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Steve Sharpe]

> 
> It’s been so cold the last few months I haven’t even wanted to go
> outside, let alone take any photos

Same here. We're up to our eyeballs in snow here in Nova Scotia, too.

I've been reduced to taking cat photos.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Eric Weir]

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
> (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I had been out of photography for several years due to health and income 
restrictions, was looking to get back in. Didn’t know whether to stick with 
film or go digital. Googling brought me to Doug Brewer’s web site. I wrote to 
him and asked his advice. He gave me some—it’s pretty much digital now—and 
referred me to pdml. 

I was turned off by the volume of emails initially. Eventually discovered that 
a lot of the volume was friendly banter after serious comments on photos or 
answers to questions had pretty much wound down. Eventually came to understand 
that pdml is actually a small close-knit group of extremely knowledgeable and 
highly skilled photographers. Still the rankest amateur here, I have 
nevertheless found it to be friendly, hospitable, and helpful. A photo posted 
by P.J. Ailing, "Prayer Service at St. Michael’s” 

 lead me to purchase the camera it was shot with, a i*st DS, my first digital 
camera. 

I have learned a lot from this group, though I’m still the rankest amateur. I 
hope it will be around for a long time to come.

I hate online forums. 

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Re: Where is everyone?

[wendy beard]

I bet that's how I found the PDML too. Through Boz's page.

I've been on the list for at least 15 years, mostly lurking.
I have also met 3 PDMLers.

Wendy

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> I found the PDML via Bojidar Dimitrov's k-mount pages. He gives a glowing
> recommendation.
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> I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
> way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
> how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
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Re: Where is everyone?

[wendy beard]

I’ve had difficulty posting for the longest time. 6 months or more -
even after I’d switched e-mail addresses for the list subscription. I
still can't post from Apple Mail - even with the format set to plain
text. It doesn't bounce back, just never appears.
I think I found the magic button on the gmail web interface to make it
work. I'll soon find out :)

It’s been so cold the last few months I haven’t even wanted to go
outside, let alone take any photos

Wendy

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
> being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in
> the archives.
>
> In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
> In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
> In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
> In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
> In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
> In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.
>
> So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
> posts is down by 3/4.
>
> There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently,
> from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
> discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn
> around this decline.
>
> How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members?
>
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 19/3/15, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>breath of fresh air to find a group of 
>photographers who generally knew their aperture from a hole in the ground

Mark!

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Mark Roberts :


Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)




Googling - or more likely, since it was around 2002-3, AltaVista-ing.   
I must have lurked for a while because my first post wasn't until  
April 2004. Took me that long to work up the courage to dive in.


(Bloody hell - that means I've been hanging around here for over 10 years...)


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bruce Walker]

I read about the PDML in Tim Bray's blog, back when he was a Pentax
user. It was summer 2007, and I had just bought (or was just about to
buy) my first DSLR, a K100D Super, and I could see that the level of
discourse here was smarter than dpreview et al.

I was never much of a gear head, and I'm even less so now, so gear
chat generally bores me. My chief reason for hanging out in any
"photography forum" is images; both viewing and sharing. Unhappily, my
tastes and the group's tastes don't intersect much anymore.


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts
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> Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
> (Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)
>
> I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
> way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
> how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Ken Waller]

The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous drunk.


Yeah but the scenery has been pretty interesting !

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Subject: Re: Where is everyone?



On 19 Mar 2015, at 13:33, Malcolm Smith  wrote:


Mark Roberts wrote:


I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.


So very long ago, I can't remember.

Many folk now seem to like web based forums. Many of these are very 
strict

about keeping to topic and camera brand, and about as much fun as falling
off a cliff. On the PDML list, someone will probably know the answer to a
question regardless of camera brand - or topic!


And you'll probably get a long rambling detour through the arcane 
mysteries of some barely-related side-issue before you even get close to 
the answer. The PDML is like an overnight bus journey with a garrulous 
drunk.


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Ken Waller]

I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?


If we require all members to post 3 times a  a day we could get to the 2010 
monthly total !  ;+)!


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- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Womer" 

Subject: Re: Where is everyone?



I found the list on the Pentax web site when Pentax owned it. Then in
1994 we went on sabbatical, and I could only get it through expensive
trans-Atlantic dial-up, so I unsubscribed. I looked for it a few times
after we got back, but couldn't find it. Then about 11 years ago I ran
into Mark! and Lisa at some airport where Lisa and I had been
attending the same meeting, and he gave me the new details.

I posted this looking for ideas to reverse the slide rather than to
provide reasons or excuses for it. Who has such an idea?

Rick
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:

Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)

Paul via phone


On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post
process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of
their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i
usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so
i pretty much gave that place up.

Dave

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis  
wrote:

The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine.
Interest peaks have flattened.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Walters" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?

I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings.  The
web-based DP Review & Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except
when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.

I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was
well down the list.



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Quoting Rick Womer :


Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in
the archives.

In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.

So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
posts is down by 3/4.

There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently,
from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn
around this decline.

How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing 
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Ken Waller]

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax.


That's the way I found out about the PDML, must have been in the early 90's. 
Mainly stayed interested early on for the equipment info I could get here. 
There was no other source of info/expertise related to Pentax products then.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" 

Subject: Re: Where is everyone?



Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 19.03.15 um 03:03 schrieb Rick Womer:


So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
posts is down by 3/4.


In the early days of the PDML (don't even remember when I joined), there 
were very few internet forums. Now, there are dozens. They seem to have 
more appeal, not lastly because photos can be included right in the 
individual messages, which certainly is a plus for a photo forum. On the 
downside, the admins and moderators are back.


I still remember the olden days when we had dial-up mailboxes run by 
owners and admins who thought they were God's gift to the online world 
and everybody had to be of their opinion or better leave. The same 
attitude is to be found in most forums nowadays. Some time ago, I joined 
one on a transport theme and unkowingly dared question a statement by 
someone I didn't know was the "owner" of the forum. My further 
contributions were immediately set to moderated and when I asked for the 
reason I received a long tirade about "cyber bullying, bickering and 
snyde remarks" and daring to bite the hand that fed me this wonderful 
forum. I'm way out of kindergarten age and had my account deleted at once.


Another reason may be the fact that some mail and news cleint software 
has been made obsolete. I still miss MacSoup and the fact that I'm quite 
unhappy with Thunderbird also shows in the number of my contributions on 
here. For the same reason I've quit Usenet altogether.


The PDML may not be as active as it used to be, but it still is a 
wonderful place and let's all hope it is here to stay for a long time.


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Re: Where is everyone?

[Larry Colen]

Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.



I found a local photographer meetup group and instigated a lunch time 
get together at a restaurant which it turns out was easy bicycling 
distance from both where I worked and where John Francis lives.  I had 
just recently gotten fed up with some nonsense on the dp review pentax 
forum and it was a pleasant breath of fresh air to find a group of 
photographers who generally knew their aperture from a hole in the ground.


I also got some of the most constructive feedback on photos that I 
posted, and generally learned a lot reading feedback on other photos. 
Lately it seems as if the feedback being given is much gentler and a bit 
less informative.



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Re: Where is everyone?

[CollinB]

I came in about 2000 or so.
Used to comment and review pics a lot.
Life has changed drastically for me.
Some pleasant, some challenging.
Have had the pleasure of meeting several members over the years.
Always a joy.
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Re: Where is everyone?

[P.J. Alling]

I found it through the Pentax web site, in those pre Google, in fact pre 
Yahoo, days.  I think that I used Altavista as a search engine back then...


On 3/19/2015 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
  



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Re: Where is everyone?

[P.J. Alling]

My opinion, which everyone hates, by the way, is that Facebook and Fora 
are easy and require even less technical knowledge than using e-mail 
lists.  Despite being one of the most educated generations, millennials, 
have no real interest in knowing how the actual nuts and bolts of 
anything works, and are perfectly willing to give up bunch of privacy 
for ease of use.  Thus the allure of Facebook.  One of the things I like 
about the PDML even using gmail, is that with their pop server, I never 
have to see their advertisements.  Yes, yes, they do scan my emails but, 
since I don't see their advertisements,. and don't use the for truly 
private conversations, I don't care.


On 3/19/2015 10:32 AM, George Sinos wrote:

My photography was going in a direction that wasn't pleasing me.  I
decided to cut back on interaction with photography sites, the camera
club and, in general, photo enthusiast stuff.  So much of what is
discussed is only of interest to other photography hobbyists and isn't
even on the radar for most folks. I still scan list but don't look at
photos much these days.

I have three significant hobbies and moving between them seems
cyclical.  More time is spent on others as interest in one decreases.
For now I'm contended with other things and will return to more active
photographic efforts in time.

Just an aside: email lists seem to be a hangover from the past.  Lists
seem to be populated by older folks that discovered the Internet
before things like forums and Facebook were around.  As only one
example, I listen to a very popular podcast for one of my other
hobbies.  Each episode is downloaded around 100,000 times.  It's rare
that the associated email list for discussion sees more than half a
dozen posts each week.  On the other hand, the Facebook group will see
about 50 new posts every day.  There is very little overlap between
the two. You can sense the age divide when reading both.  Don't care
much for Facebook as a company, but that seems to be where the
majority of people are these days.

gs
George Sinos

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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:

On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:


Serious question: How did you find out about the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)

I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.

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When I gave up video and rediscovered photography in the mid-late ‘90s, I moved 
from my old ME-Supers to Pz-1p. The whole autofocus, Power Zoom etc were a 
mystery to me. But most importantly, I wanted to buy lenses. Particularly a 
“modern” 135mm lens. Looking on eBay, I was totally confused by the vast 
numbers of different 135mm lenses.

So I went to the Pentax site looking for information, found a link to this 
group, and the rest is history.

I remember that one reason people used to give for not staying with PDML once 
they found us was that they couldn’t deal with the high volume of messages.

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bruce]

I had several meals with Shel over the time he spent on the list.  I can 
certainly relate to the statement.  He was a 'unique' character.  Very 
agreeable as long as you saw things his way...

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On March 19, 2015 6:27:49 AM PDT, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
>Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)
>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks 
>wrote:
>> 
>> I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
>> lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
>> I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post
>> process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of
>> their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like
>i
>> usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
>> would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
>> lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like,
>so
>> i pretty much gave that place up.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis 
>wrote:
>>> The general relationship with the digital age has become more
>routine.
>>> Interest peaks have flattened.
>>> 
>>> Jack
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Brian Walters" 
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
>>> 
>>> I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings.  The
>>> web-based DP Review & Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
>>> looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
>>> Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
>>> wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings
>except
>>> when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
>>> familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
>>> Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was
>>> well down the list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> ++
>>> Brian Walters
>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Quoting Rick Womer :
>>> 
>>>> Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
>>>> being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research
>in
>>>> the archives.
>>>> 
>>>> In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
>>>> In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
>>>> In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
>>>> In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
>>>> In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
>>>> In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.
>>>> 
>>>> So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number
>of
>>>> posts is down by 3/4.
>>>> 
>>>> There is more competition than there used to be (especially,
>recently,
>>>> from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
>>>> discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to
>turn
>>>> around this decline.
>>>> 
>>>> How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing
>members?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Where is everyone?

[Bruce]

It has been so long I can't even remember how I found the PDML.  I suspect I 
stumbled upon it looking for Pentax information back in the day.

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On March 19, 2015 5:53:52 AM PDT, Mark Roberts  
wrote:
>Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
>(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)
>
>I probably found out about the PDML from the Pentax official web site,
>way back when the PDML was actually run by Pentax. But I'm wondering
>how *anyone* would even learn of the PDML's existence these days.
> 

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 19/3/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I've been writing cheques
>ever since.

Nice to see your spelling is improving also ;-)

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Re: Where is everyone?

[Ann Sanfedele]

Shhh - let that can of worms alone :-)

ann

On 3/19/2015 09:27, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Only us oldsters know what Shel-like means.:-)

Paul via phone


On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:51 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

I'm still here although my participation has fallen, mostly due to
lack of photo drives to generate anything thing to show.
I like hanging out here, mainly because no one ridicules me for post
process. I was hanging out at PF for a while in 2007-2008, but one of
their main contributors beat me up pretty bad for saying things like i
usually do some post processing. If i was a 'real' photographer i
would get it right in the camera. Some came to my defense but not a
lot. Seems trivial but the comments from him were almost Shel like, so
i pretty much gave that place up.

Dave


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
The general relationship with the digital age has become more routine.
Interest peaks have flattened.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Walters" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?

I think there are several reasons for the fall off in postings.  The
web-based DP Review & Pentax Forums are easy to find for people
looking for info on their new cameras and for help with problems.
Also PDML has morphed into (mainly) a photo sharing list - nothing
wrong with that but there seems to be few gear-related postings except
when a new model is rumoured or released.  Perhaps we're all so
familiar with our cameras that we don't need any assistance.

I'm not sure how to increase participation. I tried a number of
Pentax-related searches on Google - PDML, if it came up at all, was
well down the list.



Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/



Quoting Rick Womer :


Lately I've noticed that the volume of PDML posts is way down. So,
being off this week and having some spare time, I did some research in
the archives.

In January 2015, there were 1234 posts from 52 members.
In January 2014, there were 2587 posts from 74 members.
In January 2013, there were 2667 posts from 70 members.
In January 2012, there were 3418 posts from 88 members.
In January 2011, there were 5091 posts from 109 members.
In January 2010, there were 4764 posts from 110 members.

So, in five years, active members are down by half, and the number of
posts is down by 3/4.

There is more competition than there used to be (especially, recently,
from Facebook), but IMHO the PDML remains the best (of many) photo
discussion venues I've used over the decades. It would be good to turn
around this decline.

How do we draw in new members? How do we keep both new and existing members?





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Re: Where is everyone?

[Ann Sanfedele]

 On 3/19/2015 08:53, Mark Roberts wrote:

Serious question: How did you find out at the PDML?
(Everyone please feel free to pipe up here.)


Piping in seriously...

I sold a 300mm Pentax lens I couldn't handhold anymore back in 1999
to a man named Terry in British Columbia.. we chatted a bit - he
sent me an email that was subject-lined "Published, sort of" and a link
to his frog photo on the PUG.  Don't know what happened to him.. but
when I realized it was an email discussion list I hopped on with a
techy question about shooting with polarized light sources as well
as filter on camera and got answers.

Liked the PUG so submitted a photo of Capitol Reef. Wheatfield was
pug-meister at the time.. (Bill Robb, to you young'uns)

Although there are not a lot of posts compared to a couple of years ago
I do notice that when I post a photo I get a few comments from chums
but the stats on smugmug tell me I have a few hundred "views" over a 
couple of days.  That suggests a lot of lurkers to me.


Made good friends here over the years.

ann
annsan.smugmug.com

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