Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Nathan Rixham wrote: Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes Has anything been setup for project COD-pieces yet? I like this name! ;) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Marcus Gnaß wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes Has anything been setup for project COD-pieces yet? I like this name! ;) Hi Markus, Actually, yes it has - the project, well working group, has been called voom. So far there are 8 developers including myself; we've got 3 dedicated servers kindly donated by dan. Mailing list, irc room, single sign on, multiple svn repos including our own personal repos; fisheye for online source view, crucible for project reviews, jira as a bugtracker, confluence as a wiki; all the applications are integrated in with each other and we've also got a continuous integration build set-up coming for the main public projects; complete with code coverage, automated builds, maven integration and quite a lot more. There are currently multiple projects on the go and all suggestions are welcome. The members are all of varying skill levels and experience, with a great set of skills - infact between us I think we cover about everything ;) developer list so far: Dan Brown, Edmund Hertle, Eric Butera, Jason Prium, Kyle Terry, Tedd Sperling, Myself and Paul (who's actually a bit tentative - ie is on mailing list but just noted nothing else..) If you're interested just let me know and we'll get you introduced and set-up. regards! note: paul drop me a mail if you wanna get set-up properly, not heard from you for a few days. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Nathan Rixham wrote: Marcus Gnaß wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes Has anything been setup for project COD-pieces yet? I like this name! ;) Actually, yes it has - the project, well working group, has been called voom. Sounds fine too! ;) If you're interested just let me know and we'll get you introduced and set-up. Yes please! I'm an intermediate PHP programmer who is lurking this list since october 06 and wrote a small CMS for my own (and a couple of friends) use so far. I'm quite comfortable with (classical ... sigh) ASP so far which I use now for about 10 years and recently I began to get along with Java. Your ideas sounded really great and I would like to join this group. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Jônatas Zechim zechim@gmail.com wrote: Me too.. Zechim from Brazil. -Mensagem original- De: Marcus Gnaß [mailto:gona...@gmx.de] Enviada em: segunda-feira, 9 de fevereiro de 2009 19:59 Para: nrix...@gmail.com Cc: PHP-General; Paul M Foster Assunto: Re: [PHP] maybe we could all? Nathan Rixham wrote: Marcus Gnaß wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes Has anything been setup for project COD-pieces yet? I like this name! ;) Actually, yes it has - the project, well working group, has been called voom. Sounds fine too! ;) If you're interested just let me know and we'll get you introduced and set-up. Yes please! I'm an intermediate PHP programmer who is lurking this list since october 06 and wrote a small CMS for my own (and a couple of friends) use so far. I'm quite comfortable with (classical ... sigh) ASP so far which I use now for about 10 years and recently I began to get along with Java. Your ideas sounded really great and I would like to join this group. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Yayyy! More people from around the world! :) -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com Help kick start VOOM (Very Open Object Model) for a library of PHP classes. http://www.voom.me | IRC EFNet #voom -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 01:35 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
and on the other side.. to open things up
interface Object {
}
or
abstract class Object {
}
or
class Object {
}
These braces are all wrong.
Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 19:59 -0800, Kyle Terry wrote: I demand Dan and Nathan to go to bed now. Together? ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote: Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes method: for everybody who wishes to contribute, and for everybody to review, discuss and work on the same classes. what are they: classes we can all use, that have been discussed, reviewed and agreed between many great developers around the world. the classes: all the common ones we can re-use from User to Address Email Article and beyond, also perhaps wrappers for primatives / scalars. expanding: extra abstract classes we can also use, common interfaces for the above; eventually maybe utility classes as well. the idea wouldn't be a framework or another php classes, more of a repo full of common classes to save us all some time, and as a nice project anybody can contribute to and which we can all discuss and debate the finer grained details. additional: these would maybe be best to stick to common usage, so if we have say a User class in our own project with specific needs, we can simply extend the base user class and add our own functionality. thinking of putting this distraction and debate time to good use that we can all benefit from. would also propose sticking to php 5.X [we could decide a version] and obviously OO; but then if the procedural guys wanted they could as well. maybe it's just me, no commitment, no solid work, just bits of contrib and discussion / feedback. follow? thoughts? comments? interest? [everybody, even tony, would need max input and discussion to get the best solutions for us all, and class at a time should mean we get a steady stream of classes to the repo.. think about 6 months down the line] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Morning Nathan! Count me in! Not sure what I can do to help yet, but more then willing to pitch in and give my opinion where I can at least make an attempt at sounding intelligent! :) -- Jason Pruim japr...@raoset.com 616.399.2355
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
... Um, PEAR? -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Graphing for Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated January 17th) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] maybe we could all?
[snip]
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 01:35 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
and on the other side.. to open things up
interface Object {
}
or
abstract class Object {
}
or
class Object {
}
These braces are all wrong.
[/snip]
Uh...no they're not. (And you knew I was going to say that :) )
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Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.netwrote: Kyle Terry wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Eric Butera wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? Putting the code on a proper system to begin with means no screwing around later when the project is running at full steam. And even if there are only four or five people working on it, if those folks put in a good effort, they can work wonders. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! I work on a development team of 3; me and 2 others. 1 of which only develops about a quarter of his time here. Even with my co worker sitting next to me, if we weren't using a repo, we would both be at a complete loss (right word?). -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com I have been using svn for 3 years by myself. Recently I talked my other co workers to play with it and they love it. But even in an army of one it's amazing to be able to figure out what I messed up last week or why I decided to change something at 5:00. People have wrote books on it though, so I'll hush. still up :p dan - great offer, I'd like to take you up on it [could we install any extra needed software, such as a wiki / list or something that allows discussion and document storage made website available] svn - a must imho consideration: been thinking 2 things 1 - this could be a lot of noise on the list; perhaps an approach of rfc and publish every idea, post link to it here so anybody can contribute, then go from there. discuss [ wiki needed? ] wiki will definitely be needed. 2 - actually that was both in one sentance maybe first rfc should be super class for all (our) objects and if so what + a name, cos if we need to start prefixing.. and it can't be 4LC as can't start with a number :p The world's object? this will be massively interesting.. Given Common Objects and Datatypes, has anyone proposed COD Pieces? -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Project COD: For the World, By the World. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Jan 20, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Kyle Terry wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.netwrote: Kyle Terry wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Eric Butera wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? Putting the code on a proper system to begin with means no screwing around later when the project is running at full steam. And even if there are only four or five people working on it, if those folks put in a good effort, they can work wonders. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! I work on a development team of 3; me and 2 others. 1 of which only develops about a quarter of his time here. Even with my co worker sitting next to me, if we weren't using a repo, we would both be at a complete loss (right word?). -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com I have been using svn for 3 years by myself. Recently I talked my other co workers to play with it and they love it. But even in an army of one it's amazing to be able to figure out what I messed up last week or why I decided to change something at 5:00. People have wrote books on it though, so I'll hush. still up :p dan - great offer, I'd like to take you up on it [could we install any extra needed software, such as a wiki / list or something that allows discussion and document storage made website available] svn - a must imho consideration: been thinking 2 things 1 - this could be a lot of noise on the list; perhaps an approach of rfc and publish every idea, post link to it here so anybody can contribute, then go from there. discuss [ wiki needed? ] wiki will definitely be needed. 2 - actually that was both in one sentance maybe first rfc should be super class for all (our) objects and if so what + a name, cos if we need to start prefixing.. and it can't be 4LC as can't start with a number :p The world's object? this will be massively interesting.. Given Common Objects and Datatypes, has anyone proposed COD Pieces? -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Project COD: For the World, By the World. Would version 2 then be called CODE Common Objects and Datatypes Enhanced? -- Jason Pruim japr...@raoset.com 616.399.2355
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Jason Pruim japr...@raoset.com wrote: On Jan 20, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Kyle Terry wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote: Kyle Terry wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Eric Butera wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? Putting the code on a proper system to begin with means no screwing around later when the project is running at full steam. And even if there are only four or five people working on it, if those folks put in a good effort, they can work wonders. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! I work on a development team of 3; me and 2 others. 1 of which only develops about a quarter of his time here. Even with my co worker sitting next to me, if we weren't using a repo, we would both be at a complete loss (right word?). -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com I have been using svn for 3 years by myself. Recently I talked my other co workers to play with it and they love it. But even in an army of one it's amazing to be able to figure out what I messed up last week or why I decided to change something at 5:00. People have wrote books on it though, so I'll hush. still up :p dan - great offer, I'd like to take you up on it [could we install any extra needed software, such as a wiki / list or something that allows discussion and document storage made website available] svn - a must imho consideration: been thinking 2 things 1 - this could be a lot of noise on the list; perhaps an approach of rfc and publish every idea, post link to it here so anybody can contribute, then go from there. discuss [ wiki needed? ] wiki will definitely be needed. 2 - actually that was both in one sentance maybe first rfc should be super class for all (our) objects and if so what + a name, cos if we need to start prefixing.. and it can't be 4LC as can't start with a number :p The world's object? this will be massively interesting.. Given Common Objects and Datatypes, has anyone proposed COD Pieces? -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Project COD: For the World, By the World. Would version 2 then be called CODE Common Objects and Datatypes Enhanced? -- Jason Pruim japr...@raoset.com 616.399.2355 Perfect! -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Kyle Terry wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Eric Butera wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? Putting the code on a proper system to begin with means no screwing around later when the project is running at full steam. And even if there are only four or five people working on it, if those folks put in a good effort, they can work wonders. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! I work on a development team of 3; me and 2 others. 1 of which only develops about a quarter of his time here. Even with my co worker sitting next to me, if we weren't using a repo, we would both be at a complete loss (right word?). -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com I have been using svn for 3 years by myself. Recently I talked my other co workers to play with it and they love it. But even in an army of one it's amazing to be able to figure out what I messed up last week or why I decided to change something at 5:00. People have wrote books on it though, so I'll hush. still up :p dan - great offer, I'd like to take you up on it [could we install any extra needed software, such as a wiki / list or something that allows discussion and document storage made website available] svn - a must imho consideration: been thinking 2 things 1 - this could be a lot of noise on the list; perhaps an approach of rfc and publish every idea, post link to it here so anybody can contribute, then go from there. discuss [ wiki needed? ] wiki will definitely be needed. 2 - actually that was both in one sentance maybe first rfc should be super class for all (our) objects and if so what + a name, cos if we need to start prefixing.. and it can't be 4LC as can't start with a number :p The world's object? this will be massively interesting.. Given Common Objects and Datatypes, has anyone proposed COD Pieces? -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 22:59, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: I demand Dan and Nathan to go to bed now. I consider Nathan a friend and talented programmer, but nothing could make me interested in that way, Kyle. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes method: for everybody who wishes to contribute, and for everybody to review, discuss and work on the same classes. what are they: classes we can all use, that have been discussed, reviewed and agreed between many great developers around the world. the classes: all the common ones we can re-use from User to Address Email Article and beyond, also perhaps wrappers for primatives / scalars. expanding: extra abstract classes we can also use, common interfaces for the above; eventually maybe utility classes as well. the idea wouldn't be a framework or another php classes, more of a repo full of common classes to save us all some time, and as a nice project anybody can contribute to and which we can all discuss and debate the finer grained details. additional: these would maybe be best to stick to common usage, so if we have say a User class in our own project with specific needs, we can simply extend the base user class and add our own functionality. thinking of putting this distraction and debate time to good use that we can all benefit from. would also propose sticking to php 5.X [we could decide a version] and obviously OO; but then if the procedural guys wanted they could as well. maybe it's just me, no commitment, no solid work, just bits of contrib and discussion / feedback. Sounds good to me, even if there won't be some classes at the end, discussing basic needs for basic classes like those above is appreciated (IMO) Well, isn't beta 5.3 around the corner? Than why not stick to that and maybe improve of some of the new features
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: 2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes method: for everybody who wishes to contribute, and for everybody to review, discuss and work on the same classes. what are they: classes we can all use, that have been discussed, reviewed and agreed between many great developers around the world. the classes: all the common ones we can re-use from User to Address Email Article and beyond, also perhaps wrappers for primatives / scalars. expanding: extra abstract classes we can also use, common interfaces for the above; eventually maybe utility classes as well. the idea wouldn't be a framework or another php classes, more of a repo full of common classes to save us all some time, and as a nice project anybody can contribute to and which we can all discuss and debate the finer grained details. additional: these would maybe be best to stick to common usage, so if we have say a User class in our own project with specific needs, we can simply extend the base user class and add our own functionality. thinking of putting this distraction and debate time to good use that we can all benefit from. would also propose sticking to php 5.X [we could decide a version] and obviously OO; but then if the procedural guys wanted they could as well. maybe it's just me, no commitment, no solid work, just bits of contrib and discussion / feedback. Sounds good to me, even if there won't be some classes at the end, discussing basic needs for basic classes like those above is appreciated (IMO) Well, isn't beta 5.3 around the corner? Than why not stick to that and maybe improve of some of the new features I'm in. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Kyle Terry wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: 2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes method: for everybody who wishes to contribute, and for everybody to review, discuss and work on the same classes. what are they: classes we can all use, that have been discussed, reviewed and agreed between many great developers around the world. the classes: all the common ones we can re-use from User to Address Email Article and beyond, also perhaps wrappers for primatives / scalars. expanding: extra abstract classes we can also use, common interfaces for the above; eventually maybe utility classes as well. the idea wouldn't be a framework or another php classes, more of a repo full of common classes to save us all some time, and as a nice project anybody can contribute to and which we can all discuss and debate the finer grained details. additional: these would maybe be best to stick to common usage, so if we have say a User class in our own project with specific needs, we can simply extend the base user class and add our own functionality. thinking of putting this distraction and debate time to good use that we can all benefit from. would also propose sticking to php 5.X [we could decide a version] and obviously OO; but then if the procedural guys wanted they could as well. maybe it's just me, no commitment, no solid work, just bits of contrib and discussion / feedback. Sounds good to me, even if there won't be some classes at the end, discussing basic needs for basic classes like those above is appreciated (IMO) Well, isn't beta 5.3 around the corner? Than why not stick to that and maybe improve of some of the new features sounds good; (discussion begins) - but if we're all going to use them in production maybe we'd need to use say php 5.1.6 or the most common accross all os's and servers..? how many servers will have php 5.3 support from the off (think redhat servers!) I'm in. yay! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com sounds good; (discussion begins) - but if we're all going to use them in production maybe we'd need to use say php 5.1.6 or the most common accross all os's and servers..? how many servers will have php 5.3 support from the off (think redhat servers!) Well, what about not discussing about concrete implementation, but more like: By creating a user class you have to consider: this than ..., and methods which should be implemented should do... and maybe creating an abstract class or an interface or concrete class but not exactly defined to the end (because that WOULD be possibly more something like pear) Maybe more an aspect of Design Pattern...?
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Edmund Hertle wrote: 2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com sounds good; (discussion begins) - but if we're all going to use them in production maybe we'd need to use say php 5.1.6 or the most common accross all os's and servers..? how many servers will have php 5.3 support from the off (think redhat servers!) Well, what about not discussing about concrete implementation, but more like: By creating a user class you have to consider: this than ..., and methods which should be implemented should do... and maybe creating an abstract class or an interface or concrete class but not exactly defined to the end (because that WOULD be possibly more something like pear) Maybe more an aspect of Design Pattern...? sounds like a starting point. and the starting point imho, interfaces and abstracts, then implementations. [can't wait for a discussion on the implementation of Email lmfao] can i gather that this is a postive response and a few interested parties? if so important things like is this discussed on this list or where, need for server space and svn? etc scope for a user group / list @ php on this? or what..? + all monkeys no organ grinder approach, no release until all happy (negating obvious trouble makers) and maybe a release manager for svn. more thoughts please -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com sounds like a starting point. and the starting point imho, interfaces and abstracts, then implementations. [can't wait for a discussion on the implementation of Email lmfao] can i gather that this is a postive response and a few interested parties? if so important things like is this discussed on this list or where, need for server space and svn? etc scope for a user group / list @ php on this? or what..? + all monkeys no organ grinder approach, no release until all happy (negating obvious trouble makers) and maybe a release manager for svn. more thoughts please Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... but now I will go to bed (2 am here) and maybe there will be about 50 answers to this tomorrow ;)
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: 2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com sounds like a starting point. and the starting point imho, interfaces and abstracts, then implementations. [can't wait for a discussion on the implementation of Email lmfao] can i gather that this is a postive response and a few interested parties? if so important things like is this discussed on this list or where, need for server space and svn? etc scope for a user group / list @ php on this? or what..? + all monkeys no organ grinder approach, no release until all happy (negating obvious trouble makers) and maybe a release manager for svn. more thoughts please Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... but now I will go to bed (2 am here) and maybe there will be about 50 answers to this tomorrow ;) Well, I use Comcast and they put a 250gig cap per month of their residential customer, so my server can only be used temporarily if we need one. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: 2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com sounds like a starting point. and the starting point imho, interfaces and abstracts, then implementations. [can't wait for a discussion on the implementation of Email lmfao] can i gather that this is a postive response and a few interested parties? if so important things like is this discussed on this list or where, need for server space and svn? etc scope for a user group / list @ php on this? or what..? + all monkeys no organ grinder approach, no release until all happy (negating obvious trouble makers) and maybe a release manager for svn. more thoughts please Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... but now I will go to bed (2 am here) and maybe there will be about 50 answers to this tomorrow ;) Well, I use Comcast and they put a 250gig cap per month of their residential customer, so my server can only be used temporarily if we need one. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com Guys there's plenty of free open source hosted svn/git servers. Do a google search. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Eric Butera wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: 2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com sounds like a starting point. and the starting point imho, interfaces and abstracts, then implementations. [can't wait for a discussion on the implementation of Email lmfao] can i gather that this is a postive response and a few interested parties? if so important things like is this discussed on this list or where, need for server space and svn? etc scope for a user group / list @ php on this? or what..? + all monkeys no organ grinder approach, no release until all happy (negating obvious trouble makers) and maybe a release manager for svn. more thoughts please Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... but now I will go to bed (2 am here) and maybe there will be about 50 answers to this tomorrow ;) Well, I use Comcast and they put a 250gig cap per month of their residential customer, so my server can only be used temporarily if we need one. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com Guys there's plenty of free open source hosted svn/git servers. Do a google search. lol and sourceforge [doh]; that way if anything takes off natural user base and integrated promotion most active - possibly with aid of tony :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Eric Butera wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: 2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com sounds like a starting point. and the starting point imho, interfaces and abstracts, then implementations. [can't wait for a discussion on the implementation of Email lmfao] can i gather that this is a postive response and a few interested parties? if so important things like is this discussed on this list or where, need for server space and svn? etc scope for a user group / list @ php on this? or what..? + all monkeys no organ grinder approach, no release until all happy (negating obvious trouble makers) and maybe a release manager for svn. more thoughts please Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... but now I will go to bed (2 am here) and maybe there will be about 50 answers to this tomorrow ;) Well, I use Comcast and they put a 250gig cap per month of their residential customer, so my server can only be used temporarily if we need one. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com Guys there's plenty of free open source hosted svn/git servers. Do a google search. lol and sourceforge [doh]; that way if anything takes off natural user base and integrated promotion most active - possibly with aid of tony :D http://gitorious.org/ -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Kyle Terry wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Eric Butera wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Edmund Hertle
edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote:
2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com
sounds like a starting point. and the starting point imho, interfaces
and abstracts, then implementations.
can i gather that this is a postive response and a few interested
parties?
if so important things like is this discussed on this list or where,
need
for server space and svn? etc scope for a user group / list @ php on
this?
or what..?
+ all monkeys no organ grinder approach, no release until all happy
(negating obvious trouble makers) and maybe a release manager for svn.
more thoughts please
Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN,
webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5
people.
Well, I use Comcast and they put a 250gig cap per month of their
residential
customer, so my server can only be used temporarily if we need one.
Guys there's plenty of free open source hosted svn/git servers. Do
a google search.
lol and sourceforge [doh]; that way if anything takes off natural user base
and integrated promotion most active - possibly with aid of tony :D
http://gitorious.org/
open to debate; my preference for now goes to sourceforge as it's all
there including space with php support; proven you know. However i like
new projects as well so open but overall +1 goes to whatever gets us up
and running with the least time spent.
and on the other side.. to open things up
interface Object {
}
or
abstract class Object {
}
or
class Object {
}
nothing else for now:
reason:
to address the current and forseable lack of function(object $obj) in
php; in addition to allow future scope for any common to all methods (or
any implementation of this to have)
i guess first is it a good idea to have any of the above and to address
this, then next if so which?
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Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Kyle Terry wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Eric Butera wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Edmund Hertle
edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote:
2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com
sounds like a starting point. and the starting point imho, interfaces
and abstracts, then implementations.
can i gather that this is a postive response and a few interested
parties?
if so important things like is this discussed on this list or where,
need
for server space and svn? etc scope for a user group / list @ php on
this?
or what..?
+ all monkeys no organ grinder approach, no release until all happy
(negating obvious trouble makers) and maybe a release manager for
svn.
more thoughts please
Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN,
webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5
people.
Well, I use Comcast and they put a 250gig cap per month of their
residential
customer, so my server can only be used temporarily if we need one.
Guys there's plenty of free open source hosted svn/git servers. Do
a google search.
lol and sourceforge [doh]; that way if anything takes off natural user
base
and integrated promotion most active - possibly with aid of tony :D
http://gitorious.org/
open to debate; my preference for now goes to sourceforge as it's all there
including space with php support; proven you know. However i like new
projects as well so open but overall +1 goes to whatever gets us up and
running with the least time spent.
and on the other side.. to open things up
interface Object {
}
or
abstract class Object {
}
or
class Object {
}
nothing else for now:
reason:
to address the current and forseable lack of function(object $obj) in php;
in addition to allow future scope for any common to all methods (or any
implementation of this to have)
i guess first is it a good idea to have any of the above and to address
this, then next if so which?
That needs to be prefixed. Or maybe namespaces if you're targeting
5.3? It'd suck to have a lot of code using such a thing only to
become a reserved word.
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Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Eric Butera eric.but...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Kyle Terry wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com
wrote:
Eric Butera wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Edmund Hertle
edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote:
2009/1/20 Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com
sounds like a starting point. and the starting point imho,
interfaces
and abstracts, then implementations.
can i gather that this is a postive response and a few interested
parties?
if so important things like is this discussed on this list or
where,
need
for server space and svn? etc scope for a user group / list @ php
on
this?
or what..?
+ all monkeys no organ grinder approach, no release until all happy
(negating obvious trouble makers) and maybe a release manager for
svn.
more thoughts please
Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up
SVN,
webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by
4-5
people.
Well, I use Comcast and they put a 250gig cap per month of their
residential
customer, so my server can only be used temporarily if we need one.
Guys there's plenty of free open source hosted svn/git servers. Do
a google search.
lol and sourceforge [doh]; that way if anything takes off natural user
base
and integrated promotion most active - possibly with aid of tony :D
http://gitorious.org/
open to debate; my preference for now goes to sourceforge as it's all
there
including space with php support; proven you know. However i like new
projects as well so open but overall +1 goes to whatever gets us up and
running with the least time spent.
and on the other side.. to open things up
interface Object {
}
or
abstract class Object {
}
or
class Object {
}
nothing else for now:
reason:
to address the current and forseable lack of function(object $obj) in
php;
in addition to allow future scope for any common to all methods (or any
implementation of this to have)
i guess first is it a good idea to have any of the above and to address
this, then next if so which?
That needs to be prefixed. Or maybe namespaces if you're targeting
5.3? It'd suck to have a lot of code using such a thing only to
become a reserved word.
I doubt we are going to use the word Object. haha.
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Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Kyle Terry wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Eric Butera eric.but...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
and on the other side.. to open things up
interface Object {
}
or
abstract class Object {
}
or
class Object {
}
nothing else for now:
reason:
to address the current and forseable lack of function(object $obj) in
php;
in addition to allow future scope for any common to all methods (or any
implementation of this to have)
i guess first is it a good idea to have any of the above and to address
this, then next if so which?
That needs to be prefixed. Or maybe namespaces if you're targeting
5.3? It'd suck to have a lot of code using such a thing only to
become a reserved word.
good point about a reserved word getting implemented and f'ing it all up
maybe design to start with no language in mind then implement using both
namespace and non namespace, 2 versions a 5.1 and a 5.3 or something?
I doubt we are going to use the word Object. haha.
alas though, what other word do you use to describe something that is
nothing more than an Object?
more thought - if it had no method or properies, just interface or
abstract class Object then should it become a reservered word we
simply remove it.. or in any implementation do a
if(!class_exists('Object')) {
//definition?
}
actually.. debating already.. maybe it's wrong to assume that if a
superclass that all others inheritted was added to php that it'd be
called Object [even though it is in most other langauges] would a
theoretical test then be to create a test class, check via reflection if
it has a parent, if it does grab the name and then damn..
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Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Eric Butera wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Kyle Terry wrote:
and on the other side.. to open things up
interface Object {
}
or
abstract class Object {
}
or
class Object {
}
nothing else for now:
reason:
to address the current and forseable lack of function(object $obj) in php;
in addition to allow future scope for any common to all methods (or any
implementation of this to have)
i guess first is it a good idea to have any of the above and to address
this, then next if so which?
That needs to be prefixed. Or maybe namespaces if you're targeting
5.3? It'd suck to have a lot of code using such a thing only to
become a reserved word.
agreed, prefixed or namespaced (2 versions preference)
thought now that should php introduce a superclass all others inherit,
then ours should inherit it as well.. so non clashing name for sure.
that's if we need one..? [imho +1 to one of the above]
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Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Eric Butera wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Kyle Terry wrote:
and on the other side.. to open things up
interface Object {
}
or
abstract class Object {
}
or
class Object {
}
nothing else for now:
reason:
to address the current and forseable lack of function(object $obj) in
php;
in addition to allow future scope for any common to all methods (or any
implementation of this to have)
i guess first is it a good idea to have any of the above and to address
this, then next if so which?
That needs to be prefixed. Or maybe namespaces if you're targeting
5.3? It'd suck to have a lot of code using such a thing only to
become a reserved word.
agreed, prefixed or namespaced (2 versions preference)
thought now that should php introduce a superclass all others inherit, then
ours should inherit it as well.. so non clashing name for sure.
that's if we need one..? [imho +1 to one of the above]
Java has pojo's [1]. Maybe PHP can have popo's. :)
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POJO
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Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? Putting the code on a proper system to begin with means no screwing around later when the project is running at full steam. And even if there are only four or five people working on it, if those folks put in a good effort, they can work wonders. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? Putting the code on a proper system to begin with means no screwing around later when the project is running at full steam. And even if there are only four or five people working on it, if those folks put in a good effort, they can work wonders. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! I work on a development team of 3; me and 2 others. 1 of which only develops about a quarter of his time here. Even with my co worker sitting next to me, if we weren't using a repo, we would both be at a complete loss (right word?). -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 20:12, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: lol and sourceforge [doh]; that way if anything takes off natural user base and integrated promotion most active - possibly with aid of tony :D There's also Google Code, or - if you guys want to be less-restricted - you can use my 4LC servers for some of it. There's three CentOS machines clustered together for development and testing that I put together last spring. I've been using one for the web and databases, one as the SVN repo (which is then synchronized with the web server six times per day), and the third was to be a failover/backup machine, but I've barely done anything with it. I mainly just use it for testing, writing extensions, and doing my commits to php.net from there. If you guys get serious with it, ya'all can put that together and even use the 4LC.org domain name until you come up with something else if you want. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 20:12, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: lol and sourceforge [doh]; that way if anything takes off natural user base and integrated promotion most active - possibly with aid of tony :D There's also Google Code, or - if you guys want to be less-restricted - you can use my 4LC servers for some of it. There's three CentOS machines clustered together for development and testing that I put together last spring. I've been using one for the web and databases, one as the SVN repo (which is then synchronized with the web server six times per day), and the third was to be a failover/backup machine, but I've barely done anything with it. I mainly just use it for testing, writing extensions, and doing my commits to php.net from there. If you guys get serious with it, ya'all can put that together and even use the 4LC.org domain name until you come up with something else if you want. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! That would be awesome! It will give us a home for the project for sure. Something that isn't restrictive. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? Putting the code on a proper system to begin with means no screwing around later when the project is running at full steam. And even if there are only four or five people working on it, if those folks put in a good effort, they can work wonders. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! I work on a development team of 3; me and 2 others. 1 of which only develops about a quarter of his time here. Even with my co worker sitting next to me, if we weren't using a repo, we would both be at a complete loss (right word?). -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com I have been using svn for 3 years by myself. Recently I talked my other co workers to play with it and they love it. But even in an army of one it's amazing to be able to figure out what I messed up last week or why I decided to change something at 5:00. People have wrote books on it though, so I'll hush. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Eric Butera wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? Putting the code on a proper system to begin with means no screwing around later when the project is running at full steam. And even if there are only four or five people working on it, if those folks put in a good effort, they can work wonders. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! I work on a development team of 3; me and 2 others. 1 of which only develops about a quarter of his time here. Even with my co worker sitting next to me, if we weren't using a repo, we would both be at a complete loss (right word?). -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com I have been using svn for 3 years by myself. Recently I talked my other co workers to play with it and they love it. But even in an army of one it's amazing to be able to figure out what I messed up last week or why I decided to change something at 5:00. People have wrote books on it though, so I'll hush. still up :p dan - great offer, I'd like to take you up on it [could we install any extra needed software, such as a wiki / list or something that allows discussion and document storage made website available] svn - a must imho consideration: been thinking 2 things 1 - this could be a lot of noise on the list; perhaps an approach of rfc and publish every idea, post link to it here so anybody can contribute, then go from there. discuss [ wiki needed? ] 2 - actually that was both in one sentance maybe first rfc should be super class for all (our) objects and if so what + a name, cos if we need to start prefixing.. and it can't be 4LC as can't start with a number :p this will be massively interesting.. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? have to agree dan, not to mention the noise; people needing genuine helps posts getting missed etc.. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? have to agree dan, not to mention the noise; people needing genuine helps posts getting missed etc.. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I'm in, sounds like fun and a great way to learn new stuff -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Eric Butera wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Kyle Terry k...@kyleterry.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? Putting the code on a proper system to begin with means no screwing around later when the project is running at full steam. And even if there are only four or five people working on it, if those folks put in a good effort, they can work wonders. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! I work on a development team of 3; me and 2 others. 1 of which only develops about a quarter of his time here. Even with my co worker sitting next to me, if we weren't using a repo, we would both be at a complete loss (right word?). -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com I have been using svn for 3 years by myself. Recently I talked my other co workers to play with it and they love it. But even in an army of one it's amazing to be able to figure out what I messed up last week or why I decided to change something at 5:00. People have wrote books on it though, so I'll hush. still up :p dan - great offer, I'd like to take you up on it [could we install any extra needed software, such as a wiki / list or something that allows discussion and document storage made website available] svn - a must imho consideration: been thinking 2 things 1 - this could be a lot of noise on the list; perhaps an approach of rfc and publish every idea, post link to it here so anybody can contribute, then go from there. discuss [ wiki needed? ] wiki will definitely be needed. 2 - actually that was both in one sentance maybe first rfc should be super class for all (our) objects and if so what + a name, cos if we need to start prefixing.. and it can't be 4LC as can't start with a number :p The world's object? this will be massively interesting.. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Bastien Koert wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:58, Edmund Hertle edmund.her...@student.kit.edu wrote: Well, I think we should not go to fast... maybe we are setting up SVN, webspace, domain, mailing-list and in the end this is only used by 4-5 people. Because than this can be discussed on this mailinglist. But if there are quite enough people interested, it would be indeed a good idea to start some other kind of communication... I flat-out disagree with this, Ed. Nothing at all against you, though. This is the General list for PHP, and while this project is PHP-related (and general in nature), if we allow even the regulars to do so here, how can we then tell others that we won't allow them to discuss their PHP-related projects on this list? have to agree dan, not to mention the noise; people needing genuine helps posts getting missed etc.. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I'm in, sounds like fun and a great way to learn new stuff and here's the need to get a site or something up asap; even a quick wiki project anything - even just to keep note of who's in let alone get the rfc's going rfc format.. perhaps discuss as we go along, an rfc on it? weg -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Kyle Terry wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: discuss [ wiki needed? ] wiki will definitely be needed. dan? :-) + a name, cos if we need to start prefixing.. and it can't be 4LC as can't start with a number :p The world's object? Pobject [i jest] really going to bed this time -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 21:31, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: dan - great offer, I'd like to take you up on it [could we install any extra needed software, such as a wiki / list or something that allows discussion and document storage made website available] svn - a must imho Nothing against the others, by any means, but as long as you, Koert, and - if he gets involved - Butera are running it, I'll give you guys root access to those systems and added ones if need be. I trust the three of you with having that info, so I'll send it to the three of you off-list tomorrow. As for others getting involved, I just don't know them, so I'll appreciate you three keeping it to yourselves. Then you can do whatever you need to do with the boxes. For now, I'm heading my ass off to bed as well. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Bastien Koert phps...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in, sounds like fun and a great way to learn new stuff This is what I was thinking too. I'm just not sure what sort of contributions I could make to such a thing. It'd be an interesting experience to try though. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 21:31, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: dan - great offer, I'd like to take you up on it [could we install any extra needed software, such as a wiki / list or something that allows discussion and document storage made website available] svn - a must imho Nothing against the others, by any means, but as long as you, Koert, and - if he gets involved - Butera are running it, I'll give you guys root access to those systems and added ones if need be. I trust the three of you with having that info, so I'll send it to the three of you off-list tomorrow. As for others getting involved, I just don't know them, so I'll appreciate you three keeping it to yourselves. Then you can do whatever you need to do with the boxes. For now, I'm heading my ass off to bed as well. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! I only need wiki access and commitable svn access. :) -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 21:31, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: dan - great offer, I'd like to take you up on it [could we install any extra needed software, such as a wiki / list or something that allows discussion and document storage made website available] svn - a must imho Nothing against the others, by any means, but as long as you, Koert, and - if he gets involved - Butera are running it, I'll give you guys root access to those systems and added ones if need be. I trust the three of you with having that info, so I'll send it to the three of you off-list tomorrow. As for others getting involved, I just don't know them, so I'll appreciate you three keeping it to yourselves. Then you can do whatever you need to do with the boxes. For now, I'm heading my ass off to bed as well. cheers dan, night, and can't see it being any problem about the root - all relevant permissions once it's up will be software based not os based I'd guess thanks again :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Eric Butera eric.but...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Bastien Koert phps...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in, sounds like fun and a great way to learn new stuff This is what I was thinking too. I'm just not sure what sort of contributions I could make to such a thing. It'd be an interesting experience to try though. That's why branches exist. We can deploy branches and edit each others mistakes, comment them, and then merge it. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:57:25PM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes method: for everybody who wishes to contribute, and for everybody to review, discuss and work on the same classes. what are they: classes we can all use, that have been discussed, reviewed and agreed between many great developers around the world. the classes: all the common ones we can re-use from User to Address Email Article and beyond, also perhaps wrappers for primatives / scalars. expanding: extra abstract classes we can also use, common interfaces for the above; eventually maybe utility classes as well. the idea wouldn't be a framework or another php classes, more of a repo full of common classes to save us all some time, and as a nice project anybody can contribute to and which we can all discuss and debate the finer grained details. additional: these would maybe be best to stick to common usage, so if we have say a User class in our own project with specific needs, we can simply extend the base user class and add our own functionality. thinking of putting this distraction and debate time to good use that we can all benefit from. would also propose sticking to php 5.X [we could decide a version] and obviously OO; but then if the procedural guys wanted they could as well. maybe it's just me, no commitment, no solid work, just bits of contrib and discussion / feedback. follow? thoughts? comments? interest? [everybody, even tony, would need max input and discussion to get the best solutions for us all, and class at a time should mean we get a steady stream of classes to the repo.. think about 6 months down the line] You really don't have enough to do, do you? Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Paul M Foster wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:57:25PM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes method: for everybody who wishes to contribute, and for everybody to review, discuss and work on the same classes. what are they: classes we can all use, that have been discussed, reviewed and agreed between many great developers around the world. the classes: all the common ones we can re-use from User to Address Email Article and beyond, also perhaps wrappers for primatives / scalars. expanding: extra abstract classes we can also use, common interfaces for the above; eventually maybe utility classes as well. the idea wouldn't be a framework or another php classes, more of a repo full of common classes to save us all some time, and as a nice project anybody can contribute to and which we can all discuss and debate the finer grained details. additional: these would maybe be best to stick to common usage, so if we have say a User class in our own project with specific needs, we can simply extend the base user class and add our own functionality. thinking of putting this distraction and debate time to good use that we can all benefit from. would also propose sticking to php 5.X [we could decide a version] and obviously OO; but then if the procedural guys wanted they could as well. maybe it's just me, no commitment, no solid work, just bits of contrib and discussion / feedback. follow? thoughts? comments? interest? [everybody, even tony, would need max input and discussion to get the best solutions for us all, and class at a time should mean we get a steady stream of classes to the repo.. think about 6 months down the line] You really don't have enough to do, do you? Paul actually, way too much - but I like to learn, contribute, think about what I'm doing, skill share and contribute to the development community. and you? too much to do? :p -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:29:29AM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:57:25PM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: snip You really don't have enough to do, do you? Paul actually, way too much - but I like to learn, contribute, think about what I'm doing, skill share and contribute to the development community. and you? too much to do? :p Always. I've got projects on the back burner, side burner, next to the stove, in the sink, and on top of the fridge. On top of which, I have to run my company. And run a Linux User Group. AND I'm married! Whew! Incidentally, I'm relatively new to the list, but I see a lot of CCs along with posts to the list. The CCs are only useful if non-subscribers can post to the list. Is that the case? Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:29:29AM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:57:25PM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: snip You really don't have enough to do, do you? Paul actually, way too much - but I like to learn, contribute, think about what I'm doing, skill share and contribute to the development community. and you? too much to do? :p Always. I've got projects on the back burner, side burner, next to the stove, in the sink, and on top of the fridge. On top of which, I have to run my company. And run a Linux User Group. AND I'm married! Whew! Incidentally, I'm relatively new to the list, but I see a lot of CCs along with posts to the list. The CCs are only useful if non-subscribers can post to the list. Is that the case? Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php It's also a side-effect of gmail's reply all laziness. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 22:46, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: Incidentally, I'm relatively new to the list, but I see a lot of CCs along with posts to the list. The CCs are only useful if non-subscribers can post to the list. Is that the case? Yes, sir. It's also part of the rules and guidelines for the php.net mailing lists, to hit Reply-All vs. Reply. Welcome to the list, by the way. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find out! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.comwrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:29:29AM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:57:25PM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: snip You really don't have enough to do, do you? Paul actually, way too much - but I like to learn, contribute, think about what I'm doing, skill share and contribute to the development community. and you? too much to do? :p Always. I've got projects on the back burner, side burner, next to the stove, in the sink, and on top of the fridge. On top of which, I have to run my company. And run a Linux User Group. AND I'm married! Whew! Incidentally, I'm relatively new to the list, but I see a lot of CCs along with posts to the list. The CCs are only useful if non-subscribers can post to the list. Is that the case? Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php It's just easier to click Reply to all in gmail. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Paul M Foster wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:29:29AM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:57:25PM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: snip You really don't have enough to do, do you? Paul actually, way too much - but I like to learn, contribute, think about what I'm doing, skill share and contribute to the development community. and you? too much to do? :p Always. I've got projects on the back burner, side burner, next to the stove, in the sink, and on top of the fridge. On top of which, I have to run my company. And run a Linux User Group. AND I'm married! Whew! hopefully you'll partake and share the odd bit of knowledge in this little project then - looks like it's a definate goer; ps I know what you mean about the projects (and the mrs, likewise + 4 kids!) Incidentally, I'm relatively new to the list, but I see a lot of CCs along with posts to the list. The CCs are only useful if non-subscribers can post to the list. Is that the case? welcome; good to see a new face - even if it is preformatted courier as per :p -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:29:29AM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:57:25PM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: snip You really don't have enough to do, do you? Paul actually, way too much - but I like to learn, contribute, think about what I'm doing, skill share and contribute to the development community. and you? too much to do? :p Always. I've got projects on the back burner, side burner, next to the stove, in the sink, and on top of the fridge. On top of which, I have to run my company. And run a Linux User Group. AND I'm married! Whew! hopefully you'll partake and share the odd bit of knowledge in this little project then - looks like it's a definate goer; ps I know what you mean about the projects (and the mrs, likewise + 4 kids!) Incidentally, I'm relatively new to the list, but I see a lot of CCs along with posts to the list. The CCs are only useful if non-subscribers can post to the list. Is that the case? welcome; good to see a new face - even if it is preformatted courier as per :p -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I demand Dan and Nathan to go to bed now. -- Kyle Terry | www.kyleterry.com
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
Kyle Terry wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Eric Butera eric.but...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Bastien Koert phps...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in, sounds like fun and a great way to learn new stuff This is what I was thinking too. I'm just not sure what sort of contributions I could make to such a thing. It'd be an interesting experience to try though. That's why branches exist. We can deploy branches and edit each others mistakes, comment them, and then merge it. yup; this discussion could get very fine grained, and could be very useful for many if done correctly and publicaly visible. Everything from project naming, svn committing, how we discuss, rfc, name classes, decide between; all considerations and every version of everything would be good to keep public and for us. on the naming thing: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000996.html great site btw; worth a frequent check -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Kyle Terry wrote: I demand Dan and Nathan to go to bed now. yeah it's 4am; day job in 5 hours - kinda waiting on the mrs tonight; she just released another mix onto the net and the process is long and slow while she gets everything just so - damn good though - but always seems to do it at night *yawn* night again. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:57:34AM +, Nathan Rixham wrote: snip welcome; good to see a new face - even if it is preformatted courier as per :p That preformatted courier sounds like your email client. I use mutt an vim for mail. Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] maybe we could all?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:49:34PM -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 22:46, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: Incidentally, I'm relatively new to the list, but I see a lot of CCs along with posts to the list. The CCs are only useful if non-subscribers can post to the list. Is that the case? Yes, sir. It's also part of the rules and guidelines for the php.net mailing lists, to hit Reply-All vs. Reply. Well, I hope nobody minds if I don't do CCs to them. When I hit Ctrl-L (list-reply) in mutt, it just replies to the list, not everyone else. Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
