Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Nojelc wrote: > Well after 3 days I am happy to report that updating to 1.6.2 has made a > dramatic difference. Only the very occasional rebuffer now so I am > happy. Thank you so much bpa. > > I have tried various options in the settings but the rebuffering events > are so infrequent now that I cannot tell if any setting is better or > worse than any other. After 1.6.2, Most setting will have no effect if you have a reasonably modern processor with multiple cores.Format settings are matter of personal taste but DASH has most facilities (e.g. skip back) but some programs are in podcast format only (i.e. MP3) so DASH > HLS > MP3 > FlashAAC should be the default. If you have problems - first try the equivalent "alt menu" option to isolate local problem vs BBC/CDN problems. > Note to self : I must stay in touch with this forum and keep my software > up to date. Definitely because the BBC changes network streams at least a couple of times a year - sometimes breaking existing facilities. The Plugin page on your LMS will indicate when a stable update is available. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Well after 3 days I am happy to report that updating to 1.6.2 has made a dramatic difference. Only the very occasional rebuffer now so I am happy. Thank you so much bpa. I have tried various options in the settings but the rebuffering events are so infrequent now that I cannot tell if any setting is better or worse than any other. Note to self : I must stay in touch with this forum and keep my software up to date. Nojelc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14353 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Nojelc wrote: > OK I have changed Additional Repositories to > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/betarelease-repo.xml > as per instructions at the top of your thread. I am now on BBCiPlayer > 1.6.2 (& BBCiPlayerExtra 2.2.0) but I cannot see how to get 1.6.3? I > will see how it goes with this update, and reply later with more details > as per your request. > > Thank you so much for your efforts to keep the SB/LMS system updated. I may have lost track of lastest stable release on the repository URL. 1.6.3 (& 1.6.3.1) deals with an issue where some BBC programs being only available as podcast - I had hope to release it (plus a few minor addition) as 1.6.4 but other issues have taken up my time. Keep with the repo URL above and you'll get the latest stable. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
OK I have changed Additional Repositories to http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/betarelease-repo.xml as per instructions at the top of your thread. I am now on BBCiPlayer 1.6.2 (& BBCiPlayerExtra 2.2.0) but I cannot see how to get 1.6.3? I will see how it goes with this update, and reply later with more details as per your request. Thank you so much for your efforts to keep the SB/LMS system updated. Nojelc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14353 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Please upgrade to 1.6.3 as 1.6.0 is quite old (Sept 2017) - 1.6.3 is the latest - there have been a number of bug fixes and BBC changed some URLs and tweaked some of their streaming protocols. Does the problem happen with Live or on Demand or both ? What format are you streaming ? HLS or DASH - if you don't know what is the bitrate and codec shown for the problem station/program ? What player are you using ? What menu sequence (e.g. Radio->BBCiPlayer->Listen Live->Radio 4) are you using to play the stream ? Have you tried the "Alt CDN" menu to see if the problem is CDN specific ? Setting such as: LIve Stream Preference On Demand Stream Preference Bit rate for lIve stream DASH Bit rate for On Demand DASH Seconds to delay start live stream Buffer fullnes threshold Unless LMS proxying has been enabled for the player, MP3 stream go straight to player so BBCiPlayer or LMS do not go near the stream. For UK listeners MP3 stream tend to be lower quality than HLS or DASH. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Hi bpa. Thank you so much for taking the time to consider my problem. What version of LMS ? Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2 - 1550612824 What version of BBCiPlayer plugin ? V 1.6.0 Any BBCiPlayer message in server.log ? No not today when I was having the problems (again!) Are you in the UK or outside the UK or using a VPN ? In the UK, no VPN. What are the BBCiPlayer Setting ? Please clarify which setting is important in this contaxt. The last ererors in server.log were 3 weeks ago, as follows 504 Gateway Time-out [19-02-28 15:40:24.2458] Slim::Plugin::InternetRadio::Plugin::_gotRadioError (67) Unable to retrieve radio directory from SN: 504 Gateway Time-out [19-02-28 15:45:44.2354] Slim::Formats::XML::gotErrorViaHTTP (339) Error: getting http://opml.radiotime.com/Index.aspx?partnerId=16 503 Service Unavailable [19-02-28 15:45:44.2368] Slim::Plugin::InternetRadio::Plugin::_gotRadioError (67) Unable to retrieve radio directory from SN: 503 Service Unavailable [19-02-28 15:51:06.1019] Slim::Formats::XML::gotErrorViaHTTP (339) Error: getting http://opml.radiotime.com/Index.aspx?partnerId=16 503 Service Unavailable [19-02-28 15:51:06.1034] Slim::Plugin::InternetRadio::Plugin::_gotRadioError (67) Unable to retrieve radio directory from SN: 503 Service Unavailable [19-02-28 15:56:26.3043] Slim::Formats::XML::gotErrorViaHTTP (339) Error: getting http://opml.radiotime.com/Index.aspx?partnerId=16 503 Service Unavailable Nojelc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14353 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Nojelc wrote: > I have also had problems with BBC streams buffering over the last few > weeks. It is very hard to understand what is going on. The occurences > are so intermittant, often it plays for hours OK, then breaks up 10 > times in 5 minutes. I can play higher bit rate streams from elsewhere no > problem so it is not my local connection. What version of LMS ? What version of BBCiPlayer plugin ? Any BBCiPlayer message in server.log ? Are you in the UK or outside the UK or using a VPN ? What are the BBCiPlayer Setting ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Thanks again. I'll ask if I continue to have trouble. danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
danco wrote: > Guess it must have been a BBC issue, as I've now had about eighty > minutes with no problems, three different streams. > > It can be hard to tell where problems come from. If it recurs - I can give you a replacement file which will log any packets with unusually long transmission times of more than say 0.5sec - this would clearly show if you are really getting bursts of delayed packets from BBC - if not then we'll look for the problem elsewhere. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Guess it must have been a BBC issue, as I've now had about eighty minutes with no problems, three different streams. It can be hard to tell where problems come from. danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
danco wrote: > Which log file do I need to look at? Is it server.log or do I need to > set up one of the iPlayer logs? There seem to be about six possible > iplayer logs. > > server.log does say > > 19-02-28 08:21:17.7617] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (778) Chunk > fetch status 200 Long chunk fetch time 2334 1000 BBCiplayer only uses server.log - there are different levels of verbosity that may be set for debugging but output is always in server.log The long delay of 2.3 secs for a packet is unusual as normal packet delay is about 100msec - but one will not cause rebuffering - a few of these message would indicate delays from BBC servers. Default log level only show packet which delayed longer than 1sec and this is around the time you had problem. As long as the Select.pm files has been patched, I think the rebuffering is a BBC / CDN / ISP network issue and not a BBCiplayer plugin one. IIRC BBC Network weekday load is heaviest from about 7:30-10:30 and 4:30-7:00pm. On weekend - often Sunday 11:00-2:30 is bad. > > Yes, I am getting mysqueezebox.com error messages, but not round the > time I was having issues. > > SN: Invalid mysqueezebox.com username or password. > [19-02-27 10:38:26.7961] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::_init_error > (185) Unable to login to mysqueezebox.com, sync is disabled: Invalid > mysqueezebox.com username or password. (http://www.mysqueezebox.com) > [19-02-27 10:38:26.7964] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::_init_error > (201) mysqueezebox.com sync init failed: Invalid mysqueezebox.com > username or password., will retry in 115500 > (http://www.mysqueezebox.com) > [19-02-28 12:23:59.7812] Slim::Networking::SimpleAsyncHTTP::onError > (229) Failed to connect to > http://www.mysqueezebox.com/api/sounds/v1/opml (Couldn't resolve IP > address for: www.mysqueezebox.com) > [19-02-28 12:23:59.7813] Slim::Formats::XML::gotErrorViaHTTP (339) > Error: getting http://www.mysqueezebox.com/api/sounds/v1/opml > Couldn't resolve IP address for: www.mysqueezebox.com > > I never use mysqueezebox. But LMS does - for lots of small things and it is a useful indicator of network health/connectivity. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
cpd73 wrote: > ...umm, follow the link I posted :-) There are loads of similar links https://www.epochconverter.com/ Enough of the side post - let Danco get back to rebufferingproblem. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
danco wrote: > I thought that must be it. Is there an easy way (website, or program on > Mac) to convert? ...umm, follow the link I posted :-) cpd73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66686 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
cpd73 wrote: > It'll be seconds since 1st Jan 1970 (see > https://www.unixtimestamp.com/index.php) So, 1523349116 == Tue, 10 Apr > 2018 08:31:56 I thought that must be it. Is there an easy way (website, or program on Mac) to convert? danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
bpa wrote: > First usual log & setup info helps. > * any BBCiplayer message in the log file such as "long delay" > * any network related mesages in log - eg. cannot access > mysqueezebox.com > * Type of programe - live or on demand > * any correlation with day/time (e.g. if at weekends - BBC & CDNs likes > doing netwrok upgrades at weekends) > * Location - are you in the UK,outside the UK, or using a VPN > * type of player and network setup. > * BBCiplayer plugin settings Which log file do I need to look at? Is it server.log or do I need to set up one of the iPlayer logs? There seem to be about six possible iplayer logs. server.log does say 19-02-28 08:21:17.7617] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::__ANON__ (778) Chunk fetch status 200 Long chunk fetch time 2334 1000 [ Yes, I am getting mysqueezebox.com error messages, but not round the time I was having issues. SN: Invalid mysqueezebox.com username or password. [19-02-27 10:38:26.7961] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::_init_error (185) Unable to login to mysqueezebox.com, sync is disabled: Invalid mysqueezebox.com username or password. (http://www.mysqueezebox.com) [19-02-27 10:38:26.7964] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::_init_error (201) mysqueezebox.com sync init failed: Invalid mysqueezebox.com username or password., will retry in 115500 (http://www.mysqueezebox.com) [19-02-28 12:23:59.7812] Slim::Networking::SimpleAsyncHTTP::onError (229) Failed to connect to http://www.mysqueezebox.com/api/sounds/v1/opml (Couldn't resolve IP address for: www.mysqueezebox.com) [19-02-28 12:23:59.7813] Slim::Formats::XML::gotErrorViaHTTP (339) Error: getting http://www.mysqueezebox.com/api/sounds/v1/opml Couldn't resolve IP address for: www.mysqueezebox.com I never use mysqueezebox. On demand (as I said), and I am in the UK. No correlation with time that I can see. Specifically, the most recent occasion when I had problems was around 8.30 this morning UK time. Ancient Squeezebox (series 2, I think), wired connection to router, computer has wireless connection. I haven't yet tried rebooting router (though I have rebooted computer), but have had no problems at all until this week. On demand preferences set as Dash > HLS > mp3 > FlashAAC. danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
danco wrote: > I also think it is a time stamp. But not in a form that is easily read > by a human. That is, not as if 2018-04-10 made the release number be > 180410 at the start. It'll be seconds since 1st Jan 1970 (see https://www.unixtimestamp.com/index.php) So, 1523349116 == Tue, 10 Apr 2018 08:31:56 cpd73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66686 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Paul Webster wrote: > I think the release number rx is a timestamp ... so it would be > 2018-04-10T08:31:56+00:00 I also think it is a time stamp. But not in a form that is easily read by a human. That is, not as if 2018-04-10 made the release number be 180410 at the start. danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Paul Webster wrote: > I think the release number rx is a timestamp ... so it would be > 2018-04-10T08:31:56+00:00 That seems right - I should have spotted that it was an epoch looking number. @danco That makes the 7.9.1 a pre-release version and unlikely to have the patch to Select.pm . This will manifest itself with a log file full of LMS error message and the log file will grow very big and very quickly whenever BBciPlayer plays a stream. To check if this is root cause of the "rebuffering" problem - stop LMS, patch the one line of Select.pm, delete server.log file and restart LMS. If problem remains - then other things can be checked. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I think the release number rx is a timestamp ... so it would be 2018-04-10T08:31:56+00:00 Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
danco wrote: > Lpgitech Media Server 7.9.1/r1523349116 (because I hadn't bothered to > update recently), BBC 1Player 1.6.3, MacOS 10.14.3. Can you put a date on this release ? There was a change in BBCiplayer which requires 7.9.1 but specifically a release after July 6 2018 - the plugin just checks for 7.9.1 so if you are on a pre-release it will give playback problems Check in file LMS file Slim/Networking/IO/Select.pm The key revision is https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/commit/9ac99f232299629159700703808bbd128599ddc7#diff-b1b12c4be54eaca1718c9d0f03f041a0 bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
First usual log & setup info helps. * any BBCiplayer message in the log file such as "long delay" * any network related mesages in log - eg. cannot access mysqueezebox.com * Type of programe - live or on demand * any correlation with day/time (e.g. if at weekends - BBC & CDNs likes doing netwrok upgrades at weekends) * Location - are you in the UK,outside the UK, or using a VPN * type of player and network setup. * BBCiplayer plugin settings bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Lately I have not been able to listen comfortably to BBC on demand streams because they keep rebuffering. Not just once or twice in a program but frequently. What's causing this, what further information can I give you, and how can I resolve this? As far as I am aware, there are no obvious changes in my system that would lead to the problem. Lpgitech Media Server 7.9.1/r1523349116 (because I hadn't bothered to update recently), BBC 1Player 1.6.3, MacOS 10.14.3. danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110244 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I have had this rebuffering problem for months now (BT Infinity broadband). I have changed the DNS server to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 this morning, which seems to have made no difference, as R4 has broken up several times already in the last 30 minutes. I only use Live radio. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Reboot of lms seems to have helped Giza2020's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Five live also buffering for me this am Giza2020's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Well here's a simple thing I hadn't thought of. I was convinced the rebuffering was limited to the two iPlayers, and then about a week ago I suffered a severe bout of rebuffering while listening to Radio Paradise: a first for me, as far as I recall. Sod this, I thought, I'm going to adopt the IT Crowd approach, in other words I turned it off and turned it on again. After rebooting my main Squeezebox Classic ... no more rebuffering on iPlayers. Fingers crossed. Weird, no? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I'm getting lots of rebuffereing the last few days with message popping up 'rebuffering failed'. Are the BBC tinkering with things again??? :mad: 2 x Duet, 2 x Radio, Touch Receiver with iPeng 7 served by Synology 1815+ and LMS 7.9.0-1428327736 (re-pack by pinkdot) HeadBanger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38024 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I have the same issue and my fix is not very pretty (but it does work) if its a Listen Again program use the Squeezebox Touch, if I want to Listen Live use the iPhone plugged into Pure i20 dock, the phone seems to happily play the live streams with no issues.. VFRBOB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Well, looks like it was coincidence. Listening last night to a R2 Listen Again stream, and about an hour or so in, major rebuffering events. Ah well, back to square one. Any suggestions, anyone? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Giza, interesting. I took your advice and switched off Upnp in plugins. Not entirely sure why it was there in the first place. Anyway, I streamed a few things over the last few evenings, and it's holding up well. I'll keep testing and report back, just in case it's coincidence, but fingers crossed ... whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
You could also try following the instructions in 'this post' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103590-Conflict-between-BBC-iPlayer-plugun-and-Dynamic-Mix-plugin-causing-rebufferingp=817286viewfull=1#post817286http://) to enable Debugging of iPlayer to see if anything shows up there. Neil NeilT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=24306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Neil, no, I don't have Dynamic Mix installed, but I do have Dynamic Playlists. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Do you have uPNP installed? Anything (like a smart TV) trying to access the server and slowing it down? (my pi had this issue) Giza2020's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Upnp is universal plug n play..it's a network protocol that allows things to talk to each other and share things. My tv is a connected tv which has upnp sp it was trying to talk and sync up with my pi lms server and it overloaded it. There is a chance you could have one or many upnp connections set to default 'on' so it's worth turning it off in the lms server especially if (as it sounds) you have zero need for it. Go to plug ins and turn off the upnp plug in. Giza2020's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Giza, I don't know what an uPNP is, so I can't imagine I have one. And there's nothing else trying to get on the network at the times of my rebuffering events. Neil, I checked the Logitech Media Server Log File, and no error messages, and nothing else at the time of this evening's rebuferring events. All I see for this evening were two logs around the time I switched on to listen to a R2 Listen Again show via BBC iPlayer Extras ... [15-05-06 18:43:58.8485] Plugins::BBCiPlayerExtra::ExtraPlayableParser::parse (146) Extra Playable playlist URL =http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05t2dj9/playlist.json [15-05-06 19:02:27.7371] Plugins::BBCiPlayerExtra::ExtraPlayableParser::parse (146) Extra Playable playlist URL =http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05ss73q/playlist.json The rebufferings began to happen about 20 minutes after that second log there, around 7:15, and then regularly from about 7:25. I gave up shortly after that. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I think the only link between DynamicMix and Dynamic Playlists is 'Dynamic' in the name, but I did end up uninstalling both. If you go to the Server settings page and click on the link to Logitech Media Server Log File do you see any error messages? NeilT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=24306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Do you have the DynamicMix plugin installed? On my system this plugin seems to interfere with BBC iPlayer. Neil NeilT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=24306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
My listening, mostly On Demand via BBC Extras, still plagued with rebuffering. This evening, for example, tried listening to Clare Teal, R2 26-4-15, and died after a minute or so, so I restarted the stream, successfully this time, but then rebuffering constantly after 20 minutes or so. Again, if it would help sort this out, I could provide a log, but I'd need some guidance as it's ages since I've done that. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Spoke too soon - buffering and stopping lots today bennyboyph's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43607 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
R5 suffering from stops again today grr Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 Vistron internet radio (Reciva) Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Just to confirm that this problem is defo affecting the vanilla live BBC streams, as well. Currently running LMS 7.8.0 on a dedicated Vortexbox Appliance in the UK and have been a long-time listener to the bog-standard BBC streams [mainly] via a Boom, but sometimes via Squeezeplay/Desktop PC. Since I am selecting the streams from the standard LMS Radio menu, I assume that they are the Shoutcast mp3 streams (LMS 'playing' pane shows [for example] -BBC Radio 4 (London), BBC Radio 4 93.5, 128kbps CBR, Radio-). Before the BBC started this messing around, there were occasional rebuffers (never more than one or twice a day) but now, there is a high incidence of intermittent but frequent stuttering/rebuffering which makes the stream all but unlistenable. Occurrence doesn't seem to conform to any observable pattern or audience size (e.g. I've had it occurring in the middle of the afternoon whilst 8.30 in the morning was fine) but, when it does kick in, rebuffering seems to occur every 30 secs or so and goes on for ages. It's definitely a BBC problem cos, whilst it's occurring, if you switch to a non-BBC stream (e.g. Radio Paradise, Bay Smooth Jazz etc), they play perfectly. I get the impression that it occurs less frequently with Squeezeplay than it does with the Boom but I haven't yet got round to properly testing this, yet. My [non-technical] wife is an avid BBC listener, is rapidly loosing her patience with this situation and is starting to make veiled (and not so veiled) threats about getting shot of this internet radio junk and getting a simple DAB radio. I was planning to install Triode's plugin hoping in the hope that the problem was only associated with the Shoutcast streams but am I correct in thinking that people are also seeing this rebuffering via his iPlayer live stream? All thoughts and comments appreciated enz01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Seems to be OK today, no pauses or buffering issues all afternoon. This has been across Radio 4, 5live and 6music. bennyboyph's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43607 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Don't know if this is a helpful observation, but I'll mention it in case it helps eliminate certain possibilities. I've had no trouble with iplayer breaking up or rebuffering since adopting bpa's fix and bonze's menu.opml. This is true for live streams and listen again. Mainly Radios 2,4,5,6 and 5 live sports extra. I'm in the UK. Win 7, LMS 7.8, BT Infinity, all-wired connections. Peter Peter314's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14028 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
PaulinPosset wrote: That would be much appreciated. I've not worked out a pattern for when the HLS streams stop, but they do, so a way of automatically re-starting would be a great improvement. For what it's worth, Listen Again using Triode's plugin has only once failed mid-stream whereas Live rarely goes for more than an hour without a stream stop. I use Windows 7 so followed the recent comments about DNS handling with interest and ran Namebench. It suggested DNS servers different to the Google DNS I had been using but even having made the change I still experienced drop-outs. I've hardly had any dropouts or stops ... is it a difference between uk and non-uk streams? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 Vistron internet radio (Reciva) Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
utgg wrote: Ok, that is a small sample, but still useful information - so no BBCiPlayerExtras issue. The stopping dead with BBCiPlayer (i.e. HLS streams) is something I've very occasionally noticed. The alpha plugin isn't particularly robust if any of the chunks of stream get dropped, or take too long to arrive. It will need a bit of work in the HLS protocol handler code to improve that - such that the stream will automatically restart if it has a problem. It won't prevent 'buffering', but it should be possible to prevent the stopping dead behaviour. I will have a look when I've got time... That would be much appreciated. I've not worked out a pattern for when the HLS streams stop, but they do, so a way of automatically re-starting would be a great improvement. For what it's worth, Listen Again using Triode's plugin has only once failed mid-stream whereas Live rarely goes for more than an hour without a stream stop. I use Windows 7 so followed the recent comments about DNS handling with interest and ran Namebench. It suggested DNS servers different to the Google DNS I had been using but even having made the change I still experienced drop-outs. PaulinPosset's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63060 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
castalla wrote: I've hardly had any dropouts or stops ... is it a difference between uk and non-uk streams? Whitman is the OP and is UK based. So I don't think location is the issue. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
whitman wrote: Well, some interesting behaviour this evening. First, around 6:30pm, I started Bob Harris On Sunday, R2, BBCiPlayer. Stopped dead after about 6 minutes. Immediately restarted it, from the beginning: stopped dead about 8 minutes in. Not rebuffering: just a dead stop. Went to BBCiPlayer Extras and started the same show. Ran absolutely fine for 45 minutes or so, until I stopped it myself. About 7:15pm, started Jazz Lineup, R3, on BBC iPlayer. Ran perfectly, for 45 minutes or so until I stopped it myself. About 8:00pm, started Clare Teal, R2, on BBCiPlayer. After 15 minutes or so, it stopped dead. Again, no rebuffering, just a sudden halt. For what it's worth ... Ok, that is a small sample, but still useful information - so no BBCiPlayerExtras issue. The stopping dead with BBCiPlayer (i.e. HLS streams) is something I've very occasionally noticed. The alpha plugin isn't particularly robust if any of the chunks of stream get dropped, or take too long to arrive. It will need a bit of work in the HLS protocol handler code to improve that - such that the stream will automatically restart if it has a problem. It won't prevent 'buffering', but it should be possible to prevent the stopping dead behaviour. I will have a look when I've got time... utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
bpa wrote: Whitman is the OP and is UK based. So I don't think location is the issue. Do you see stops - you're non-UK too. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 Vistron internet radio (Reciva) Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
bpa wrote: Yes with RTMP but not stops - long pauses - more so recently but at off peak times My gut feel is that BBC/CDNs are doing network upgrades/rework/maintenance. If you're a pessimist then this could be in anticipation of some other changes to BBC services - the optimist view would be BBC playing catchup to increased demand. Given they've massacred the internet radio device listenership, then it can hardly be increased demand! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 Vistron internet radio (Reciva) Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
castalla wrote: Do you see stops - you're non-UK too. Yes with RTMP but not stops - long pauses - more so recently but at off peak times My gut feel is that BBC/CDNs are doing network upgrades/rework/maintenance. If you're a pessimist then this could be in anticipation of some other changes to BBC services - the optimist view would be BBC playing catchup to increased demand. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Spoke too soon .. R4 and R5 both stopped dead in the last 10 minutes ... and again after 2 mins. in. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 Vistron internet radio (Reciva) Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I'm also seeing issues. Am using only the BBC iPlayer plugin and Listen Live, exclusively Radio1. I had the occasional buffering when the initial HLS issues were sorted out but it has mostly been very occasional and wasn't an issue. Over the last two weeks or so it has become almost unusable in the evenings and pauses every 20 seconds or so. This evening I've just got home and turned on my SB. A couple of dropouts straight away and then it has been fine while I've been writing this post. I'm in the UK. Upgraded to v1.3.1alpha3 yesterday which made no difference. Am running from a Synology DS213 but the CPU load is fine - it peaks only occasionally but sits between 6-15% most of the time. I followed the thread/link posted earlier about DNS issues and I'm already using 8.8.8.8 and ran a test showing I was using the fastest server. I'm on BT with an ADSL connection. Happy to help debug if I can do anything. sjalloq's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4093 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
bpa wrote: Just to see if there is a difference betrween CDNS Akamai and Limelight. To test I modded the BBCiPlayer plugin on my system so that I can choose which CDN to use as Plugin will nearly always choose akamai and never limelight. So far no problems with either !! Who knows what the Beeb are doing ... they've shut down the blog again, so there's no way to even ask for clarification. I suspect Andrew Scott is too involved in rehearsals for the new W1A series to have time to answer anybody. As they say ... It's all good, then. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 Vistron internet radio (Reciva) Pure One Flow castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Oh well, so much for that theory. Went to Extras this evening, around 6:45pm, and played the Listen Again stream of this week's Jamie Cullum show, R2. OK for about 40 minutes, then rebuffered very briefly, once. Just a jitter, I thought. Then about five minutes later, a rebuffering, then five more, one after the other, in short order. It then played fine for another five minutes or so, at which point I turned off. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Just to see if there is a difference betrween CDNS Akamai and Limelight. I changed the plugin so that I can choose which CDN to use as Plugin will nearly always choose akamai and never limelight. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
whitman wrote: Utgg, I've been using Extras a bit more lately, but I first noticed the problem with the regular BBCiPlayer plugin. I'm pretty sure the prob affects both plugins. But I will check. About your test: I'm not sure I can resume playback on a SB classic, can I? You can certainly do it with the web interface or one of the phone controller apps. Alternatively, I think if you press pause and wait for a few seconds (say a minute to be sure), the existing stream connection is abandoned and it will restart again from where it left off. utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Well, some interesting behaviour this evening. First, around 6:30pm, I started Bob Harris On Sunday, R2, BBCiPlayer. Stopped dead after about 6 minutes. Immediately restarted it, from the beginning: stopped dead about 8 minutes in. Not rebuffering: just a dead stop. Went to BBCiPlayer Extras and started the same show. Ran absolutely fine for 45 minutes or so, until I stopped it myself. About 7:15pm, started Jazz Lineup, R3, on BBC iPlayer. Ran perfectly, for 45 minutes or so until I stopped it myself. About 8:00pm, started Clare Teal, R2, on BBCiPlayer. After 15 minutes or so, it stopped dead. Again, no rebuffering, just a sudden halt. For what it's worth ... whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I usually listen to Listen Again stuff between about 6pm and 9pm (in south-west England), so that's roughly when it's been happening. Usually R2 or 6 Music, sometimes R3, occasionally R4. I've been trying to discern a pattern, and generally it seems to be about half an hour or so into the playback, when it will start rebuffering pretty regularly, maybe half a dozen times over a short period. That's often when I get fed up and switch to something else. And that's just my memory of what happens: not exactly scientific. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
whitman wrote: Bpa, I tried the test stream. All fine. Ran it for an hour and a half while I made and cooked a nice fish pie, and not a break at all of any sort in that whole time. I'll check a browser for Listen Again tomorrow. i can use Chrome if Safari is not a good test. I think this must be a BBC problem. Last night I had a series of rebuffering events (6 in 15 mins) on a short R4 Listen Again using RTMP. Is there any pattern to when rebuffering happens on your system ? Often upgrade/maintenance works will be carried out at off peak times such as between midnight and 5am or at weekends. Also a when a network is near capacity, problems will show up at peak times such Mon-Thu 5.00pm-7.00pm on R4 bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
whitman wrote: I usually listen to Listen Again stuff between about 6pm and 9pm (in south-west England), so that's roughly when it's been happening. Usually R2 or 6 Music, sometimes R3, occasionally R4. I've been trying to discern a pattern, and generally it seems to be about half an hour or so into the playback, when it will start rebuffering pretty regularly, maybe half a dozen times over a short period. That's often when I get fed up and switch to something else. And that's just my memory of what happens: not exactly scientific. I know the question has been asked and answered, but is this definitely all using BBCiPlayerExtras for Listen Again (i.e. RTMP)? I only ask because I have another theory about why there may be problems with Listen Again using the BBCiPlayer plugin (i.e. HLS), which might explain relatively trouble-free playing for a period (you've mentioned half an hour, others have mentioned 15 minutes or so), and then rapid deterioration. In any case (BBCiPlayerExtras or BBCiPlayer), if you resume playback from the place it has got to in the stream (click on progress bar or whatever), does it behave for the 1/2 an hour again, or still have regular rebuffering? utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Utgg, I've been using Extras a bit more lately, but I first noticed the problem with the regular BBCiPlayer plugin. I'm pretty sure the prob affects both plugins. But I will check. About your test: I'm not sure I can resume playback on a SB classic, can I? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
whitman wrote: The audio format of the file-based music I play from iTunes is Apple Lossless. My two Classic players are connected wirelessly. Ive never connected them wired and Im not sure I have the capability: I think their situation would make this tricky. Since you play Apple Lossless file normally - these are transcoded using the same support applications as BBC stream - it looks unlikely that your problem is local system. If that is the case and the problem is something to do with your ISP , BBC CDNs (Content Delivery Networks) and BBC source. BBC uses two CDNs - Akamai and Limelight but the plugins often only choose Akamai and I think it is not easy to force the plugins to select a particular CDN just to test to see if it is part if the problem. For completeness, I think you should still test the AAC stream as LMS handling of streams is a little different to files. I would also check if you get any problem (e.g. unexpected pauses) playing Listen Again using a Web Browser as Web Browser still uses RTMP (although not sure about Safari on OSX) . bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Bpa, I tried the test stream. All fine. Ran it for an hour and a half while I made and cooked a nice fish pie, and not a break at all of any sort in that whole time. I'll check a browser for Listen Again tomorrow. i can use Chrome if Safari is not a good test. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Thanks bpa, and here's my answers to your questions. Yes, the Mac mini is running LMS, and its connected by ethernet to my router. The audio format of the file-based music I play from iTunes is Apple Lossless. My two Classic players are connected wirelessly. Ive never connected them wired and Im not sure I have the capability: I think their situation would make this tricky. I will test the stream you supplied and report back. In the meantime, if anyone could help prod me in the right direction of how to check CPU and network perf stats on a Mac, I'd be grateful. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
whitman wrote: I rarely use Live streams, so I'm talking here almost exclusively about Listen Again streams. Rebuffering often happens with live streams since it is live It is unusual with RTMP (i.e Extras) to rebuffer with Listen Again as BBC usually can send a big burst of data before playing begins as the whole program is available. I'm not sure how to check CPU and network perf stats. I don't know about OSX tools Can you describe you local network in more detail e.g. is Mac Mini running LMS connected to router by wireless ? What audio format is your file based music that you play ? Are your players connected with wired or wireless connections ? If they are wireless - can you test if you get problems if the players are wired ? As a test of an AAC stream which will need transcoding like bbc STREAM - can you play this Stream and do you get any rebuffering http://somafm.com/groovesalad130.pls bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
bpa wrote: I find it strange that you get rebuffering with both BBC iPlayer and Extras since the iPlayer plugin will be using HLS and the Extras will be using RTMP - quite different protocols and I would have thought behave differently (i.e. RTMP should not be affected by the HLS DNS issue) unless the issue related to common processing such as AAC transcoding. Are you sure rebuffering happens with both Plugins ? Bpa, yes, rebuffering does happen with both plugins. I'm not sure what to check for an issue with AAC transcoding, as you suggest. What settings should I look for? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
whitman wrote: Bpa, yes, rebuffering does happen with both plugins. I'm not sure what to check for an issue with AAC transcoding, as you suggest. What settings should I look for? Does it happen with both Live streams and Listen Again on BBCiPlayer ? Have you applied any patches to the 1.3.1alpha3 plugin ? Since it is transcoding OK - the issue could be some sort of system overload - first check CPU and network perf stats to make sure it is not a system issue. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I rarely use Live streams, so I'm talking here almost exclusively about Listen Again streams. I haven't applied patches to the 1.3.1alpha3 plugin. I'm not sure how to check CPU and network perf stats. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
Yeah, the BBC streams do seem quite bad at the moment, lots of buffering. I've had 6music just stop or go into buffering and then pause at about 3%. Changing channels can also take a while sometimes. Not sure if it's the streams or plugin changes. LMS Version: 7.9 TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3 - WHS 2011 2x Touch, 3x SB3 bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
whitman wrote: I've fixed up my BBCiPlayer and BBCiPlayer Extras with the current versions, as posted elsewhere here, and all are working now. I'll take this opportunity to thank all involved. However, for some time before the fix and now afterwards, I've been plagued with rebufferings. In some cases, the stream has simply stopped. This does not seem to be the result of wi-fi problems, including my router and/or the position of my two Classics. BBC streams are the only things affected; everything else works cleanly. To confirm that, my Mac OSX Wireless Diagnostics shows no problems. I imagine I can get more help here if I make a log to try to reveal what's happening, but it's been so long since I've done this, I'm at a loss to know exactly what I need to do to provide it. What settings do I need to make, and how do I apply them? I'd be grateful for some help. [LMS 7.9.0 - 1428327734; BBCiPlayer v1.3.1alpha3; BBCiPlayer Extras v1.8; Mac mini running OSX 10.10.3.] Most of us seem to be finding the new HLS streams are rock solid, even with quite poor broadband bandwidth. There are suspicions, however, that some of the unreliability issues that some have been having with the HLS streams, particularly the Live streams, might be down to slow or unreliable connection to your DNS server, or even problems with your chosen DNS server misbehaving. The HLS streaming method is sensitive to such issues, which you may not notice with other Internet usage. See this post: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103435-BBCiPlayer-Plugins-an-alternative-quick-fix-guidep=814782viewfull=1#post814782. Your chosen DNS server (probably set by your ISP in your router) may have problems. Or it is possible that your broadband connection or home network is just 'on the edge' and drops a small percentage of network packets - not enough to be noticeable in most use, but enough to lose the odd DNS lookup message, which could cause havoc with the HLS streaming. This is all conjecture - we don't have any hard evidence of this happening with anyone using the alpha3 BBCiPlayer plugin (yet). If this is a regular occurrence for you, it sounds like it is worth trying to trace the problem. A simple thing is to just try using a different DNS server. PasTim suggests Google's at 8.8.8.8. I might be helpful to try a utility program that tests out your DNS performance and point you at a better server. A quick google came up with https://code.google.com/p/namebench/. Disclaimer: I can't vouch for this program, I'm running it on my laptop as I type this, but it is taking a long time... If that doesn't help, or before even trying that, we should be able to see something unusual happening in the LMS log with some debug logging turned on. I suggest selecting 'debug' logging for both (network.asyncdns) and (plugin.bbciplayer.hls). You do this via the settings page of the LMS web interface page - it's found under the 'advanced' tab and the 'logging' drop-down menu. This will produce a lot of log output while playing the BBC streams, so don't leave it on permanently - just do it for one test while you are having problems! Attach the whole server.log file here if you can (I don't where that is located on OSX). utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I've fixed up my BBCiPlayer and BBCiPlayer Extras with the current versions, as posted elsewhere here, and all are working now. I'll take this opportunity to thank all involved. However, for some time before the fix and now afterwards, I've been plagued with rebufferings. In some cases, the stream has simply stopped. This does not seem to be the result of wi-fi problems, including my router and/or the position of my two Classics. BBC streams are the only things affected; everything else works cleanly. To confirm that, my Mac OSX Wireless Diagnostics shows no problems. I imagine I can get more help here if I make a log to try to reveal what's happening, but it's been so long since I've done this, I'm at a loss to know exactly what I need to do to provide it. What settings do I need to make, and how do I apply them? I'd be grateful for some help. [LMS 7.9.0 - 1428327734; BBCiPlayer v1.3.1alpha3; BBCiPlayer Extras v1.8; Mac mini running OSX 10.10.3.] whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
whitman wrote: I've fixed up my BBCiPlayer and BBCiPlayer Extras I've been plagued with rebufferings. I find it strange that you get rebuffering with both BBC iPlayer and Extras since the iPlayer plugin will be using HLS and the Extras will be using RTMP - quite different protocols and I would have thought behave differently (i.e. RTMP should not be affected by the HLS DNS issue) unless the issue related to common processing such as AAC transcoding. Are you sure rebuffering happens with both Plugins ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
